I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. you you you you you you you I'm going to go to the right bottom. the of the City of South Miami Historic Preservation Board. The first order of business is budget leaders to the flag. The budget leaders to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic, which stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, next sort of business is to do roll call. Gary Cassalus, chair, president. What are we in? Well, I need a bed. Okay. You have a tour. Okay. Is that's everybody? Chair, you have quorum. Okay. All right. The next sort of business is for any applicant or anybody who's going to speak tonight to be sworn in So I need the applicant or their representative on camera Chairman lovely record show I believe Manuel Menendez is logged in is that you mr. Menendez? Many of you there. You're muted. Yes, I'm here. Hi guys. Sorry. I was trying to get unmuted. When you can't, please turn on your camera so that we can have you for the record, please. Thank you. We have one second. What's going on here? Thank you, chair. Okay. Is the applicant or there were representative who will be speaking tonight online. Yes, it's Natasha. There's also another board member, I'm not sure if that, Latour. I'm not sure if you, she said she did. She did, okay. I'm here and I got sworn in this week or last week at the city council. I'm in the city hall. Excellent. Welcome. I'm here, Natasha, appear. Okay, could you, would you mind turning your camera on? Sure. And let the director show Natasha's also in attendance. Okay. Ms. Simone? Natasha Simone, yes. Okay, Ms. Simone, I need you to raise your right hand. And do you swear or affirm that the statements you're going to make tonight are the truth, the whole truth and I think about the truth? Yes. Okay. Ms. Cabrero. Thank you. Mr. Costales, I'd like to welcome youvette and Israel Rosado to the Historic Percevation Board this evening. There are two new board members joining us this evening. The first item and only item for review this evening is HPB 2025-003. Applicant Dania Evanson, property owner Stanley Cohen, the location 5891 Southwest 72nd Street Sunset Drive. The request is for signage installation. This is for NR here, Salon. They've been in business and now they are requesting two flag signs for their location. The historically designated building is located on the north side of Sunset Drive. The request is for two new frame signs. One will be located by the staircase, which leads to the second floor, which is the location of their building is on the second floor. I'm going to ask Marcus or someone to please share the screen with the proposed signage and there you have what the sign will look like. They're both identical signs. They'll read the same welcome to NR. Here's the lawn for the purpose of identifying the business on the second floor. We have a 16 by 20 in size is under the allowable, a 20% of the facade, which equates to 26.66 square feet. It is a Debbie Bond Max Metal 3MM with UV lamination. Also the 1.5 inch screws will be used for flush mounting installation. Again, the sign will read as you see there., welcome to our here salon on two lines with black lettering. It will also include the address and location of the business on the second floor. And for accent, the design appears on the top and bottom sections in a golden and black graffiti pattern, for a complete design, you see them up there on the board. There's the detail on the right-hand side for the flush mounting. As per section 24.3, I-5, although the zoning district, this sign is being classified as a flat sign, is less than nine inches in depth. This one actually is, this was at 1.5 inch, so it is flush mounted on less than 9 inches. Both newly proposed sign comply with the flat sign type guidelines of the code. And with that said, stabs observations that both signs will prefer the existing contributive buildings character. The staff's recommendations for approval of both signs with any comments from the board. And you might want to see the photos of the weather signs will be located. And welcome, Natasha Simone, to the historic preservation board this evening. I know you've been anxiously waiting for this evening. So welcome. Thank you. Thank you so very much. Chairman, do you want to open it to the applicant's presentation or public comment? Yeah, Ms. Simone, do you have any thing you want to add to that? Yeah, well, the signage is really very important. The location is, as previously mentioned, on the second floor, which I've discovered that customers are circling, circling, circling around. Not only they're looking for parking, but they're trying to find the business itself. So it just so happens during the grand opening, I had a little poster board, same exact five and put it up to let people know this is where the salon was located. And it was a, you know, a hot moment that this is absolutely needed in order for people to recognize that the salon is located on the second floor. So it allows customers to have a very easy experience finding the location versus being frustrated. And of course, it's being, you know, there's one side, it's on both sides, so there's people parking that's towards the back. And if you're walking on the sidewalk, going to the parking lot across from the train station, you can actually see where to go up the stairs from the backside. And of course, if you're walking in the front and you're passing the ice cream place and the nail salon, you can actually walk right straight past it, but you're able to see the salon, see the signage and then going up the stairs if you're passing by, it's really quite visible as well. Okay. So the purpose, of course, is to be able to grow the business and invite new guests to come and visit the location. Sure. Yeah. The sign is really nice. I gotta say, it's aesthetically very very pleasing and it's well designed and it's very elegant. So at this time, are there any members of the public who wish to comment on this application? Okay. I want to then move over to any comments or questions from any board members. Okay. I just lost the agenda. So I move that we approve the application for, that's before us tonight and they don't have the number in front of me. I thought I did, but what is the application number? Oh, here it is. 20. 25 0 0 3. Okay, right. Yeah, it's only the third one in the year. I move that we approve. Consisting and staff recommendation. The application at 20 25 that's zero zero three. Second. Okay. All those in favor? All right. Yeah, hi. Okay. And let the Rick reflect the vote was unanimous. Ms. Mohn, thank you for your time. And thank you for doing a good job on the application. Thank you so very much. Thank you. Thank you everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Mark here. Best of luck with your business. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Have a great evening everyone. Thank you. Thank you, Mardas. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay and the next sort of business I believe. the role of the chamber, all the movements. Status obtained? Welcome. Okay, and the next sort of business I believe. That's rural, that's general. Oh, they're midi-mails. Status update. I don't know why I'm not. I don't know why I'm not. He recall at the last meeting we discussed grants. Yes. And... Mr. Cabrera's here, I think to speak on that. Yes, she is. Welcome, Ms. Sudami Cabrera. Just roll back if you want. OK. This is the second item. I'll just open it online. You can, sir. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I can pull it out. Thanks. OK, I'll take a bin. All right. No, it's not. Yeah, if you know. This is the sign interpreter said. Mm-hmm. That I got, yeah. And I'm over here. Surami, are you out there? I only see a few of the images on my screen. And I saw you earlier. I don't know if you're trying to call in. There's a number here. Oh, she was on there before. She was gone. I know. I don't see her. I don't hear her. Someone seems to be calling. I don't know what that means up in my screen 305, 342, 2062. No, sure, that is. I'll check her number here. That's her. OK, she's trying to call in. Sudami, can you hear us? Yeah, I was having trouble with the camera too. So it was on and off, but now, apparently it's okay. Okay, you're gonna give us an update. Whenever you're ready, we can go ahead and get settled. You're here, now? Yes. Perfectly. Okay. Hello. Yes, we can hear you. Hello. Okay, I'm sorry. For the trouble, I was actually in or early to the zoom, but I couldn't hear anything. So I called in and then I put it in a I put it on mute. So and I apologize for all that. So quick update on the grants that is we discussed last time basically two branch that the city was considering one was a grant for half a million dollars in order to renovate and existing historic structures and we had had identified the subject of Martin Building as a candidate for that grant. After looking into the grant, it turns out that the grant has a deadline of finishing the project within two years and we would not be able to meet that deadline this year. So we would not be able to apply for that where we are looking at it for it for next year, or depending on what's going on with the development, the redevelopment of the city hall site, hopefully for next year, but if not the year after that, I've been told that it's a grant that usually is, like typically they have this grant every year available. So that was off the table for this year. The other grant was a $50,000 grant for a study to identify historic structures in the city. And the city management doesn't want to move forward with that right now because we are in the middle of rejoicing our zoning and our feature lighting and the map and our ear. So there's a lot of things going on right now with all the properties and specificities and zoning. So we don't just city manager. This is a big, a good time to hire consultants who start looking at also perhaps the meeting structures in the middle of this other effort that's going on. So it doesn't look like unless you all identify something else that we have any structures, I mean any projects right now that we can identify for the sort of preservation grant. Yeah, I think that's correct. I think we need to, you know, we've been down this road before and discussing other possible designations and things and nothing really came of it. So I think at another medium we're going to have to probably in the fall discuss, you know, other candidates for for historical preservation designation. Unless, yeah, and if you all have any ideas of any other structures, I would be happy to take those by the city manager. I was really excited about the stuff you're more in building, but unfortunately, you know, and the city manager was also excited about it, where we looked at Erica, the graph, and it's from the city, which she planning to buy it on when we looked at Eric, the grant manager from the city, when she looked at the details, we would not be able to meet that life. So that was unfortunate. I'm so sorry, I know this is my first meeting, but do you guys have criteria on like sort of like what does it relate to historical building? Cause you just said if there's any other suggestions, how does one nominate a site or building or anything? So you can always nominate a site and there has to be a study prepared to see they do the research. And I need to look specifically in-sook because I haven't been involved with any of those in the city. In other cities that I have worked in, the historic department prepares a report of why should or should not, that's more, you know, does an aging historic. And I think it's just the exact information on that, but I'm assuming that it will basically require a study prepared by somebody who is a expert on the search reservation to identify what aspects of it. Well, that didn't work. It doesn't need structure. Excuse me through the chair. Was that a event who asked the question? Yeah, event. I will send you and I'll go ahead and copy the rest of the board members. The process just a quick summary from the code as to what you would require. The code does have some standards, but generally speaking, our city and every other city really looks to the department of the interior's guidance documents for historic preservation. So in that email, I'll make reference to those. That's awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much. And then I assume after that, then the study of the historical preservation, sort of like, well, I'm sure it'll be in the document you're going to send, but it comes after that step. Yeah, so I will send, what I'll be sending you is what the code says, how the process should proceed, what notices are required, whether this board, I don't wanna guess from memory, but most cases the board has to make an initial, the board can make an initial request to staff to study the criteria, and whether this particular property, means the criteria or not. And, or staff can under own initiate it. And then what that email will further say is what notice has to be given and you know to the property owner, to the neighbors, etc. And then what the criteria for the ultimate decision will be. Great. Thank you. That would be very helpful. Yeah. Yeah, and I'll just point out too that if you want to look at the code that deals with that, you can go to Munich. Mr. Marto is going to send it to you, but you can look at municode.com. And that's a great resource really for any municipal code. Yes. I use it all the time and I use it for city of South Miami. And they have the criteria in there as well. It's free. Yeah, it's new. He has an MU and I. Yep. Yeah, MU and I CODE.com and then you have to kind of navigate. It's kind of like every every miss almost every municipality in the nation is there and you know the county and different cities and things of that nature. It's a great resource. And pragmatically speaking, an impediment to all that is money because it takes the going rate used to be a $1,000 for designation report. I have no idea what it is now. I don't think we have a budget. So I think we have to. The first step is identifying a property. It could also be a district, I believe. Many board member Menendez had an idea about that if I recall a long time ago. It starts with that and then it's always a battle to get the property owner interested. A lot of property owners don't want a historical preservation. And just going back to, and this may be something that we can talk about, I had drafted a letter on behalf of the board to send to prospective, the owners of prospective properties. And then it was approved by the city attorney. And I don't know that we had anybody, I didn't identify any properties, but I can revisit that and we can maybe use that letter and maybe run it through the city attorney's office again. It's in, there's a new city attorney or at least relatively new. There was a previous one that approved it and we can do that. But I think we all as board members have to be on the lookout for additional properties and we should put that on the next agenda and there may be some old ground that we go over. I've been on this board for a long time so I have some, you know, I guess I am the institutional memory along with city staff who has a great recollection of things, but there are properties here and there that we debated in the past. Yeah, and and Mani, do you want to say you want to address that because I know many you were active with that. Hey, sorry, how are we doing? I'm pretty good. Hey, sorry about that. Hey, I was gonna say, I had since the last time that we had discussed this, there was two properties that I had briefly tried initiating contact with the owner. one of them all successful in speaking with them and the person, you know, sadly was not interested in anything like this for their property. They had one of them, they had plans for an addition, they didn't want to encumber it, they didn't want to create any more digital work for themselves. And I don't know, sadly the other house that I thought would be interesting I did for the research and found that the historic preservation board of South Miami had already decided to not designate that house you know many years before I joined and I've been here for some time so sadly I don't have any additional properties in mind. Okay, and I think it's also districts are also available for for business. That is probably. Yes. That's something else to keep in mind. Yeah, we sorry real quick. The last thing we had had maybe like three years ago we had Residents that lived maybe on 60 Maybe 63rd Street and 62nd Avenue in that neighborhood had come to us. I have my notes on it Although I don't have them here with me and older gentlemen. He came and had, he was maybe one of the reasons we had started considering or discussing trying to, you know, to a neighborhood or to a section. But yeah, to that, there was a couple of, you know, nearly 100-year-old houses in that area, you know, in that area between, you know, 58th and 60th Avenue and in that section there of like 60, 60th to 64th Street. You know, there's several hundred year old homes in there, but you know, what else? Okay. Nice, I'm not going to ask questions. I'm just starting learning here too, but that's actually a great point they've run many like you would have thought they would have been interested, but they're not because they wanted to do an addition. Are there like pros and cons or is there something I can read about of us, sort of like if your house is deemed as historic and obviously maybe you can't add an addition to it or construction or if your district. Is there a benefit for the district to be noted as a historic? I'm just trying to absorb information. I know there's a small tax break the homeowner gets. That's a home, I think that's one of the biggest pluses and there is a certain market for historical homes. I mean, I'm really impressed by every applicant that we've had that bought in a store at home is really enthusiastic about keeping the integrity of the home intact, and that's why they bought the house. So I think for somebody that's really in love with the house and the historical nature of it, they're often maybe they're going to be enthusiastic about it. But it is an impediment to, I think we can discuss this in another meeting because, you know, people perceive there's an impediment for renovations and things of that nature and it's really not. It's really not that difficult. So, but we can, I think, set it on another agenda and brainstorm and ideas on how to get additional properties and how to really sell it to people. Yep, so and I you know Miami is this is the historic preservation board and it's a shame that you know we live in a community that's changing you know I've been here since I was a kid and in South Miami since 2008 and we live in a community that is, I think change is more than the norm. And you know, from based on various factors, in a real estate value of things of that nature. So we really should preserve what we can. The green. I love it. I think the next, but I think we'll have to take that up at the next meeting and the next sort of business would be the approval of minutes and 331. Chair Ren, if I may interrupt for a second because you brought up next meeting. I just want to make sure you're aware that there won't be a meeting in May because there's a conflict with Memorial Day. and per code, June is off. Your board doesn't meet on June just to give you guys a time off. So... there's a conflict with Memorial Day and per code, June is off. Right. Your board doesn't meet on June just to give you guys a time off. So your next meeting won't be till July 28th. Just want to make sure you're aware. Yes, yeah, I saw that on the agenda. OK, good. And the next sort of business is to approve the minutes from the March 31st meeting. Any discussion on this? Okay, hearing none, I move that we approve the minutes from March 31st, 2025. 20 second. My second. Okay, all in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay, the minutes for March 31st are approved unanimously. That's the last item on the agenda, but I don't think I'm overstepping any bounds here by welcoming two new board members and just for their benefit, maybe we can each do an introduction. Gary Castales, I'm an attorney, although I don't do real estate law and property law, things of that nature. I practice labor and employment law, but as per the code, this sport is supposed to have a lawyer on it in a couple of architects. And whoever wants to go next, I've been in the city since 2008. I've been in this sport longer than I remember. I don't remember what year I joined it, but I think I'm the longest serving one here tonight. And whoever would like to go next, just jump in. The Julio? Yeah, I'm Julio Guillén, I'm an architect. And I've been in this city since 2004, I'm in the war for the last three or four years. Okay. So, Heather. Can Angelica? You're me. Yeah, you're me. I'm not in the eye. I'm not with the idea. Okay. I've lived Miami since 1990. I'm 90. I'm say eight or seven. So it's been quite some time. All my kids were born here. So it's been actually got married in the backyard of the house. So I work in real estate and I actually have listed a couple of these historical homes. And so later if you guys want to have a conversation of what the public's objections were, I definitely heard them all with some of my listings and had to overcome some of them. Okay, Manny. Hey there, my name is Manuel Menendez. I live in his designated property here 5625 Southwest 60 second Avenue. I joined the board. I mean, I've lived in this property since 2013 or so. And I joined the board after that there was, I don't know, that there wasn't much happening with the board and nothing, I'm actually in the process now of doing an addition and had to go before the board myself recently after being a member now for almost 10 years and I found it to be very painless and much less complex than dealing with the, I don't know, county, Durham people. So, you know, yeah, I found it as a client. So I've been a board member for 10 years and I've been a client of the board presenting in front of the board and it's been great. So I don't know it's excellent. It's much needed. We have to have a few properties. We have to protect them and protect the districts, you know, and that's all that's all I have about it. And quarter lifa. I've been living in Miami for 30 years. South Miami since 2018. Being at the board, this is my second year. I'm in real estate like Angelica. And like she said, there's some challenges with historic homes, but at the same time, I think it should be our duty to make the preservation of the historic resources. Because there are people that love them. They have, like every house advantages and disadvantages. And the way the serious aspect of changing, I think that preserving the historic, the signer home and getting other owner interested in the signer house as historical will be are really nice things to do so probably we can have some ideas from the meeting in July and we'll see how you'll see. Okay, Eva. Hi, this is Day 1 being on the board. Welcome. I have lived in Miami over 52 years and in South Miami specifically for 25 years. So I'm very excited to join this board and preserve so many South Miami for what it can be with all the changes there. And if you're an employment attorney, you're going to love me because I've been in HR for over 30 years now. So there's a lot in common. Which company? Warner Brothers Discovery. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Mr. Rosado. Yes. Good evening everybody. Is Rosado 14 year resident of South Miami 30 year resident of Daytona. Yes. I'll put it. I've been a big affinity over historic homes that I've always had it. I continued to obviously contribute it in this fashion as part of this board. Manning you you and I are currently are very nearby residents of each other. So hope to see you walking around the streets of South Miami. Thank you. Yeah, and I'll just say. Great. I'll help the city out there. Yeah, and I'll add on that note because we deal with the Sunshine laws that I think every year the city puts on an ethics seminar with Sunshine laws. So we're just for the benefit of the new members. We're not supposed to talk about board business outside these board meetings that are publicly noticed, which has its problems, but okay, Ed. That's correct. Yes, right. And I have my criticisms of that, but of course, the people that wrote the law are exempted from the law. So, say, legislatures wrote the law, but they're exempted from it. But yeah, but that's cumbersome sometimes. But yeah, we're supposed to, you know, we stick to that and we have over the years. The other thing, as Mr. Bartos pointed out, our next meeting is going to be in July. I typically, I think I'm going to be out of state for then, but so I'm going to have to be on Zoom. I think going forward, we may have to come back to the chambers or have a mix, and everybody's got a busy schedule. But for years before COVID, we were all here. I think everybody lists pretty close spies by so we can talk about that later. If any board member wants to add an item to the agenda, that could be submitted to the city clerk. I think about two weeks before the meeting. You know, I think you told me about two weeks before the meeting. Chairman, it's best to email that to Lorde Scabura. It is, okay. All right, because I did that and then I thought, well, maybe I should have sent it to Nikki, but right. Okay. All right, so email that to Lorde and we can put it on the agenda and I have some ideas for that for the next one. Anything else? There's nothing else on the agenda, but is there anything else that anybody wants to add to the meeting? Okay. Okay, I move that we adjourn the meeting. Okay. Meeting is adjourned. Okay. Thank you. I guess we'll see. We'll see each other in July. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. All right. Have a good night. We say goodbye. Bye-bye. Bye.