Good afternoon and welcome to a workshop meeting the Book of Ritone City Council. It is Monday, May 12, 2025. The time is 233. Our first item of business today will be proclamations and presentations and we have one of each. First we have a proclamation for Niash, excuse me, National Safe Boating Week and I'll please invite to the lecture and Mario by Coast Guard Academy admissions partner and past, excuse me, I'm all over the place today. Past Flotilla Commander Tom Thayer of the US Coast Guard Academy admissions partner and classed, excuse me, I'm all over the place today. Past Flotilla Commander Tom Thayer of the U.S. Coast Guard auxiliary, auxiliary flotilla 36 will accept the proclamation as Missedance Reason. Whereas boating is a beloved recreational activity for many Boca Raton residents and visitors who enjoy our waterways and the promotion of boating safety contributes to a more secure environment for all. And whereas on average 650 people die each year in boating related accidents in the United States, and 75% of boating fatalities are caused by drowning. And whereas the vast majority of those accidents are caused by human error or poor judgment and not by the boat equipment or environmental factors. And whereas a significant number of boaters who lose their lives by drowning each year would be alive today had they worn their life jackets. And whereas the city of Boca Raton supports the goals of the United States Coast Guard, National Safe Boating Council, and Safe Boating Campaign, including raising awareness of the importance of life jackets and the start of the year round effort to promote safe boating. Now therefore, I, Scott Singer, Mayor of the City of Boca Raton, Florida, do hereby proclaim May 17 through May 23, 2025 as National Safe Boating Week in Boca Raton, and urge all those who vote to practice safe boating habits. Honourable Mayor Singer, esteemed members of the council and distinguished guests on behalf of Flotilla36 located right here in Boca Raton at the intersection of Spanish River Boulevard in A1A. I'm honored to accept this proclamation. Boca Raton's stunning waterways are not only scenic escapes but there are cherished destinations and a source of pride for Boca Raton. As a city that appreciates coastal living, Boca Raton is always embraced the boating lifestyle, whether it's leisurely cruising down Lake Boca or experiencing some exhilarating offshore adventures. But with the privilege of all that access comes the grave responsibility of being stewards for our environment. So I applaud the mayor and council for their leadership and promoting safe voting and would like to take this opportunity to remind one another that safety is key to ensuring that the waterways are a source of adventure, relaxation and lasting memories for the next 100 years. Tom Thayer here just a couple comments. First of all, National Safe Building Week starts on Saturday, the 17th, and the Flutilla has numerous activities, including vessel examinations at Chugressam, the Nonna Chugressam, that San... What's the name of it? Silver Palm Park. Silver Palm Park. And so that and numerous other activities going on, including our cooperation for many, many years with West Marine. And I'm holding a vest. They don't need one quite like this but certainly West Marine has marine vest that boat vests. Be sure that they are all Coast Guard approved and we've got a lot of water and a lot of activity going on constantly on the water. So encourage that. And the follow up to that is I mentioned it every year that we do this. We have way too many child drownings in Florida each year. So make sure that our little kids are pool proofs, waterproof, and what not. All kinds of swimming programs, including his YMCA programs. So get our kids waterproof swimming around having a good time in the water, and wear the vest when you're out on the vest. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Take a photo. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to go to the other side. You know that? You know that? You know that? You know that? You know that? You know that? You know that? You know that? You know that? You know that? You know that? You know that? You know that? You know that? I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. And now we're pleased ever presentation on the Festival of the Arts Book of 2025 and invite Executive Director Joanne Marie Kay to give a presentation. Welcome. Thank you. Good afternoon and thank you for having me here. It's a pleasure. My main purpose today is to say thank you for your incredible support and to tell you how this year went and what we have going on here. So in 2025 we welcomed over 6,700 attendees who spent $260,000 in 48 dollars locally. Now that dollar figure comes from the American for the arts and that is a figure, that's a number they spend outside of tickets. So that's what they spend when they come to dinner and when they spend time in Boca Raton to attend the festival. Another interesting fact out of those 6,700 attendees, 21% of them came from out of the county and 61% came from out of Boca Raton. So we're bringing people from other cities, other counties to Boca Raton to participate in our event and to visit our wonderful city. As you can see we have over $213,000 in ticket sales. The festival itself spent over $200,000 on local businesses. That would be anything from hospitality to printing. Everything that we did to run the festival that was purchased from Boca Raton businesses. Our total impact, you can can see is over $1.2 million. Our outdoor advertising all over Meisner Park. And our social media and E-Blas, we actually have a really good click through rate. 1.7 is well above the industry average. Industry average is actually about 1%. So we really do a great job on getting people to open and click through on all of our E-blasts. They're a very effective way of communicating with people. We have over 5,000 subscribers. And of course, our online play bill, you can see your beautiful ad right there and all of the ads that are in our digital play bill link directly to the websites of the businesses that they represent. Print advertising, quite a bit of it as you can see. We also reached over 5.5 million television and radio impressions. Radio is WLORAN and Legends Radio, Television, CBS 12, WXEL and WPBT. Also we have a trade deal with hot wire communications who also has television ad space. Our digital presence as you can see we had over 100,000 page views over 47,000 users. Our opening weekend was incredibly exciting. The Dallas Brass, Night Opening Night, we had 103 students from both, Boca West and Boca Raton High School performing on stage with Dallas Brass. Pavarotti voices opera gala that was a collaboration with opera Naples where we had the widow of Luciano Pavarotti here and the winners of the Pavarotti vocal competition performing. And then on Sunday we had Nester Torres, a world premiere of his Aneo Dance Story, which was quite spectacular. Our authors and ideas series takes place during the week. Of course we had Doris Kern's Goodwin with us, talking about her latest book. We showed the documentary film Life in the Dog House about Danny and Ron's rescue. Amy Herman did the art of perception and Carl Hyacin was there on Thursday and he was a hoot and a half. Our closing weekend featured back to the future with live orchestra an evening of contemporary, where we also had some FAU dance students perform on that evening. And of course we ended with our wonderful Boca Raton Centennial concert. I know many of you were there, and it was a really great event. It actually ended with a live conga line. So the audience really appreciated it. Our community engagement and educational outreach, we really had an exceptional year this year. I already mentioned that we had 103 kids from Boko West and West and Boko High School performing. We also had, since Nester Torres was at that opening night, that's also the night we presented the winners of our music competition this year, which was Winds and Brass. We had two flute players and a trumpet player who won. And when Nestor Torres saw them receive their awards, he invited all three of them and two other trumpet players on the dry fist school of the arts to perform with him on his performance on that Sunday. And when I was backstage and I saw the trumpet player who won second place and I know for a fact that most trumpet players not only play classical but they also play jazz. I asked him if he had a jazz trio and he said yes and they played at the party that was hosted by Tape Pitney at the museum. So we had quite a few students represented in the festival this year. You see up top, we had workshops for dancers of all ages at FAU with our local visiting artists. We had a replica of the time machine there. You can see it actually has my son's birth date on it, May 9, 2002. We also had Amy Herman do a presentation at the Lynn Women's Health and Wellness Institute at Boca Raton Regional Hospital. So we were very much in the community this year. And next year, our 20th anniversary, and we already have invited back some of our favorite artists from years past. for for three will be returning. Postmodern jukebox will be opening the festival. Postmodern jukebox you might remember was the final performance in 2020, a few days later the world stopped. So we're very happy they're coming back under better circumstances. And also Conrad Tao first came to the festival when he was 13 years old. He is now a resident artist at the New York Philharmonic and the Aspen Music Festival. He's a big star now and he's coming back. So we are very excited. And we have some more things in the hopper that I can't quite tell you about. Maybe a major Broadway and television star who might be coming that more to come. And of course the beautiful, you see the picture of the beautiful tent. The tent is so important to us there at the festival. Thank you very much for putting it up every year. It is a really big deal for us. I also want to mention, I know you are aware of the bed tax situation. And I want you to know how much it does affect the festival. Of course we get a very sizable grant from the Cultural Council for Palm Beach County and the tourism development council. So if you have any if you would like to talk with any of your people, your friends and the legislature and tell them them, please keep the bed tax for arts and culture. The festival greatly appreciates that. That would be huge for us to be able to keep that very sizable grant. And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. Thank you very much, Councilmember. Is there any questions? I think I asked this question last year, and maybe you don't know the answer but you said 21% of people came from out of county and 61% came from outside of Boka. And do you know how they got here? I don't. I do know. I do know. I specifically asked if you knew if people took a bright line to Boka. Yeah, we don't have data on that unfortunately. Do you encourage in all of your advertising and print and everything that you do when people do come here to bokeh to use the bokeh connect to get around? You know, I was thinking that. I was as I was watching the CRA meeting. I think we should. I think maybe even we should put a whole ad, you know, from the city talking about Bokeh Connect because parking in myzner park can be challenging and I think any way that we can help alleviate that and Bokeh Connect is the perfect way to do that. Absolutely. Thank you. Further questions? Thank you very much, Ms. Gay. Looking forward to more information as the festival gets closer. Thank you very much. All right, thank you. Our next item of business is board interviews, but we have no applicants for these two vacancies. We are looking for an AIA architect and an electrical engineer for these two boards. So if you know someone or are someone, please encourage them or yourself to apply. We'll now turn to public requests. I do have one card from Josh Jaffy. Mr. Jaffee, if you'd like to come forward, please give your name and address. You'll be able to put three minutes. Then after that, anyone else wishes to speak? Thank you to the council. My name is Josh Jaffy. I'm at 531, North West Second Avenue. I heard about this meeting. There was some, I guess you call gossip and some non-official notices floating around the condominium. I'm gonna quickly, I set a three-minute thing here. These are very deep issues. I'm just gonna breathe through like five bullets and if any, I test that some these issues that I deal with or do apply to Bogoroton. I am a I get I've been sort of put into sort of a whistleblower situation during my time here in Florida which exceeds 12 years specifically in the environmental areas as well as the condo spaces and in, I have two books. There's already full drafts on them. One's called Climateosis. The other one is called condo whistleblower. I have a dot com, although Climateosis isn't up for both of those whatever you want to call them, titles, brands. I'm not really doing this in the right order, but I'll just quickly go in as fast again. Climate toast is two bolts on that. I very fully evaluate the progression, the evolution of discussion about the climate, which is very big in our society. And the second bolt is I completely and totally using science, lack of a better word, eviscerate the assumptions with respect to capture, carbon capture, and embodied carbon. Even though it's practiced very widely in the world and the nation, my book completely shows in context and foundation that those practices are false. Okay, let me jump to the immediate issues. We're adjacent to the future north park. There is a rumor of skateboard park. Okay, before that, let me go back to that, don't worry, I can listen to minutes here. I really was part of what I was looking at, could fall into the CRA. I have some, I've developed my own algorithms for green zoning that incorporate the best of TOD urbanism as well as sort of a Frances Law Olmsted approach. Anyone has questions on that? I presented to a senior CNU official. I'm just going super fast. Back to the skateboarding park, oh my god. I'm suggesting to apply T-DAR principles to the balance between hard-scaping and green-scaping. Leave it at that. I also worked on a major project called the Overline. Over many years, which originally from the get-go, looking at options of putting what's the bright line underground. I guess I somehow covered as I said I try to just breeze these five bullets here and I'd be happy to speak to any officials in the future. I did reach out to the sustainability department. I have a standard either 15 plus 15 presentation of my book, or there is a more full hour lecture version I presented to and I'm wrapping this up. Senior National Presidents of National Engineering and other related organizations. If you check me out you'll see I have eight licenses. I have references from three of them. Thank you, Mr. John. And I know that Boca likes to be at the forefront of environmental and condo issues. And I would suggest maybe I'd be happy to speak to others in the government of my findings and research over recent years. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to make a public request, Mr. Anjian? Jonathan Onjean, 6501, Congress Avenue. So I may not have been in the crowd for your strategic planning, but I did listen in. And there was a lot of good discussion on high level points involving this city. city. Keep coming back to this zoning district that we're in. The ripest part of town as a whole for development. I'd love to see good development, development that does what this city intended to do long ago with PMD. The cities come a long way from PMD to now CIMD but there's a lot more to go. And when you know in the discussion it's what are you envision in 2050 and like getting off a 95 and making a right turn onto Congress, the visual is, I mean, just do it. And see, like, what can you envision? Because right now it's nothing. Right now you see two big buildings there, residential, but then nothing. You know, ensure there may be more coming but let's make a bigger plan something that makes economic sense for property owners to do. At 20 units per acre it doesn't. You're only getting the large properties that are keeping their older buildings even including office depot because that's getting to be an older building 20 years or so. And they're keeping the older building. They're keeping all that square footage, whether it's brick. They're keeping that old building. You can say it's historical. I'll keep my opinions to myself on that, but the reality is, is we're not doing right development. We're not getting rid of the older buildings. In any of these projects, we're just putting new buildings next to old buildings. And that's not smart development. And miss, say it over and over again, Council Member Nacolas fought for 2500 square feet in these monstrosities that are being built in reality, almost 100 units in acre, if you're actually talking about the development that it's going on. It's basically at what you're doing in the downtown, but you're forcing these property owners to, again, keep their old outdated buildings and then build new right next to it. And that's not smart. So, enable your qualified staff who would love to study these things, who drive down these roads, you drive down these roads here today. How much traffic did you see? So this is the city's future. In vision what you're envisioning in the downtown, and let's call this not lurping anymore. Let's let get revolutionary in this district, because there's no light industrial and research really going on around here and create a downtown 2.0 or 3.0 in this area because this is where the downtown should be and this is where the event dense development should be and let's open these discussions to do that. Thank you. Anyone Anyone else wishing to make a public request? All right, well thank you. That closes the time for public requests. We'll turn to questions concerning tomorrow night's agenda under review of regular agenda items. Any council members of questions? They wish to raise for tomorrow night. Then we can always bring them up tomorrow. So we'll turn now to future agenda matters and items of public concern. And again, we are back with our government campus partnership opportunity. We'll first turn to Mr. Brown. Thank you, Mayor. Lucasus is gonna give us the update today on the upcoming schedule. Very important that we realize what we're going to be doing and how important it's going to be and then a couple of additional updates. Thank you, Mr. Brown. Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. So to Mr. Brown's point, I wanted to touch on some important milestones and meeting dates that we have coming up. We have a lot of work to do before you have to take some formal action on the interim master plan. So I wanted to talk about what we need to do in order to get to that point in time. Some of the things that were going to ask of you to try to get some feedback. Then I wanted to talk a little bit about some of the teams that are meeting and some of the work groups that have been established just to give you some perspective related to how the review process is already starting with this between the city and Terrafors B. So let me talk about the schedule first. The first thing I wanted to make sure that and you probably do remember, but just to make sure that you remember, we do have an interim master plan and sustainability plan that's due today. So we should be receiving that from Terra and Forsbee sometime today. That that will quickly get distributed to staff that will be part of the review process as well as all of you. So as soon as we receive it you'll have it in your hands as well. The next thing I want to talk about is the need for some individual meetings with all of you. Very very tight timeframe but we do want to start having some individual conversations with you all so we can talk about a couple of important things. One is our short-term lease options, our long-term space needs for City Hall, and then our interim master plan. That will hopefully be submitted today. But before I talk about a couple of those items, I want to introduce you to Will Portfolio. Folio. Will's been our tenant rep as we've been going through the process of looking for and identifying the I want to introduce you to Will Portfolio. Will's been our tenant rep as we've been going through the process of looking for and identifying the appropriate swing space or short term space that we'll need if we vacate the site or when we vacate the site during development. So I wanted to have Will just talk a little bit about the process. Obviously we're still in the process of negotiating with a couple of the property owners, So we don't want to get too deep into the conversation of the details of that negotiation, but I wanted will to have the opportunity to talk to you a little bit about the steps that we've been taking and then secondarily to introduce you to him if you haven't met MRE. So well, if you don't mind talking to council real quick. Good afternoon. Thank you Mr. Lucasic. Mr. Mayor, City Council. Good afternoon. My name is Will Portfolio. I'm with CBRE. I'm a commercial office broker who's focused exclusively on tenant and buyer representation here in the city of Boca Raton as well as throughout Palm Beach County. And I've been working with the city staff since mid-January on the potential temporary relocation of City Hall. So I have presented to date 13 options within the city limits that range from 30,000 to 100,000 square feet. That's obviously a wide range of space. But at one point the determination had been made to let's evaluate potentially by for cating certain departments. I think since then we've we've homed in on 65 to 75,000 square feet to ideally keep all the departments together under one roof, which also is better leverage for negotiating with these various landlords. So of those 13 options, we toured eight throughout the month of February. We shortlisted four options. Those options are brick, North 40, which is the two building complex at the Northwest corner of Yamato and Congress, specifically the 52-01 Congress building. 65-51 park of commerce, which is just to the east of the canal here from the building we're sitting in today, and then NCCI at the northern edge of the city that can provide a portion of one of the wings of their buildings. And so we've been negotiating since mid-March, we received the initial landlord proposals early April. We counter them late April and as of today I have three of those four responses back. We expect the fourth early this week at which point we will update the financial model that we've been sharing internally with the city negotiating these four options simultaneously on both a lease and some of them on a purchase basis because some of the landlords are open to selling some prefer to sell and so we're running multiple scenarios in parallel to provide you all with the with the most amount of information so you can make the the most informed decision So I'll open it up to any questions, I guess, from Council members' questions. I'll start with some, Mr. Profolio, about the four short-term options that are under discussion now. I saw that there are roughly for 70,000 square feet in all of a base term of five years. What's the optionality in terms of either taking less square footage up front or sizing down to fewer than 70,000 square feet at any point during the five year lease? And also, what about the opportunity to leave that lease or sublet freely? I'm asking in the context of we may not need 70,000 square feet and we may not need five years. Correct. I'll probably go and reverse order. All we have sub lease rights with all of these options. So that answers that part. Some of them are more flexible in terms of space than others. You know, some of these are larger spaces that we would be taking less square footage. So subject to space planning, we may be able to reduce that footprint. Some of them are two floors that are of a certain size where you sort of are, you see, they'll either all are nothing. It doesn't make sense for the landlord to subdivide, called 5,000 at a 70,000 feet, and least to a third party. So there's some are more flexible than others. We're asking for early termination options in all of these. We're asking for short term renewal options in all of these if by chance you happen to need more than five years. And actually some of the landlords have responded with with optionality in terms of short versus long term leases and the differing economics associated there with. I don't want to go into financials just because we're still actively negotiating but we're running various scenarios. Well, just for the record, a variety of other brokers represent these landlords. These are not all CBRE on both sides, correct? Correct. All right, thank you for the questions, Mr. Wigder. Thank you very much. I certainly agree not to get into too much detail at this time. I think the big picture, what I think about for the best program for the city is optionality. And not the option term and at least, but more having a variety of short term, long term, and purchase options so we can have the best information to make the right decision for the city. And likewise, I know there is still the ongoing space needs discussion for city hall, possible bifurcation, possible long term. I also know, so the ideas is there that, you know, that it should be super flexible. And likewise, if we're asking for a lot of TI, which I don't think we should be in terms of short-term leases, you know, if it's truly flex space, the idea is we'll make do with what they have. But if we say, hey, you know what, this is a great spot for us to stick it out long term. We should have the optionality to do so. And I think those corporate landlords that are willing to do so will benefit if they can have those kind of variety of options. So I thank you for exploring all the options and I hope that you continue to do so not just for swing space but to say hey, you know, if we want to stay and not just terminate early but hey, maybe we want to stay because financially might be the best thing for the city if, you know, if construction costs for new space are very significant, right? So I appreciate you looking at all the options. Thank you. For the questions. I think I may have some more questions offline but I don't want to do it now in terms of the nitty gritty on some of these proposals so thank you Mr. Portfolio. Thank you very much. Okay thank you Will. Talking about the space needs for City Hall so you should have received some information from Eva Garza. She's a consultant with CBRE, America's consulting group. Some of you have met her. She's been working on the analysis for us for our long-term space needs. So she's developed a couple of scenarios that we want to ultimately review with you. You've seen some preliminary projections in terms of staffing and size requirements. We wanna review all of that information with you before we get too far down the road as it relates to the interim master plan. Make sure that we have some policy direction in terms of sizing and location of city hall and its services. So that's one of the things that, we wanna talk to you a little bit about when about when we meet you individually. Mr. LeCastaker, you prepared to present today or tomorrow? Not today or tomorrow but we would like to present to you over the course of the next week or so and then on March 27th or excuse me May 27th at your next meeting during the workshop we would like to have a discussion with you and present that information then. Okay. Visually first. All right. Okay. So that's a topic that we want to talk to you about. And then lastly, the interim master plans. You'll receive that. Hopefully today I don't really know what form I'm going to get it in. Obviously, if it's electronic, it'll be in your hands right away. It's a hard copy. we'll get it to you as soon as possible. But we'll want some initial feedback from you all in terms of what you see in the plan relative to what your expectations have been. Getting to the May 27th workshop, so they're starting to strategic planning. We talked a lot about the need to have those specialized workshops. So we're starting to talk about the details. So we want to dedicate a good amount of time to talk a little bit about the downtown campus master agreement. So we already have Terran Frisbee prepared to present the interim master plan so they'll be scheduled to come and talk to you as relates to what they're proposing, the rationale behind what they're proposing and be able to entertain some questions from you all. It might be the case that we have some initial observations on the interim agreement that we might, or excuse me, the interim master plan that we wanna share with you from a staff perspective or from a city perspective. So we might engage in some of that dialogue at the same time, but that's going to happen during that meeting. We might be able to get to the point where we have some discussions about the short term options, depending upon where we are with the results from our proposals from the owners of the properties that we're evaluating. So put a, put a asterisk by that one. You know, if we have enough data and we can have that conversation then we will. And then after we have our individual discussions with you all, we want to engage in some policy discussion to make sure that we have some direction in terms of city hall long term. So size, location, make sure that we can try to get on the same page. Next, we want to talk about the timeline for the project, getting us, which is getting us to October 28th. So that'll get us to the Master of Partnership Agreement and the master plan. But we want to talk a little bit about what's involved in that process. So Turner and Townsend, who is a project management, a program management group that is an affiliate of CBRE. They're working with us on a project management basis, working with all the work groups that we're establishing, which I'll talk about in a minute, making sure that we're identifying all those risks that we have along the critical path of getting a project on and trying to keep us on track. So we've got some strategies in place that turn our towns that has starting to develop. We've got some administrative folks that are starting to keep information available for us so that we have that as we're moving through the process. Make sure that all of our eyes are dotted and teased across. And then we have all the data that we need as we're moving forward to make sure that both the Terran Frisbee group and the City group are all in the same page in terms of the information that we have and who's responsible for what. So they're going to come walk through the timeline, talk a little bit about critical path issues, some of the risks and we'll update you on any of the due diligence work that's being done as well as some of the studies and analyses that are being done by Terra and Frisbee as they're going through the process. And then lastly, we'll give you an update on the Master Partnership Agreement, which is essentially a development agreement with Terra and Frisbee, between Terra and Frisbee and the city. We'll give you some high level conversation about where we are, what sort of things that we're talking about, just to give you some senses to where we are and see what kind of feedback you might have. And then importantly, on June 10th, that's the week that we need to make a decision to keep terror and frisbee moving forward. So that's the date where we need to get approval of the interim master plan. If we don't have some decision. to keep terror and frisbee moving forward. So that's the date where we need to get approval of the interim master plan. If we don't have some decisions as it relates to policy direction on the long term strategy related to city hall, it will revisit it at that meeting as well. But that June 10th meeting is gonna be really important in terms of keeping terror frisbee moving and keeping us on track as it relates to the entire project. Any questions on the schedule or expectations? Council members? Mr. Waker. Yeah. Sorry, it's not like that. I think there's a great deal of due diligence that has to happen here. I've said this in the past where there are certain things that are going to be informing our decision making. And so the due diligence of the costs of infrastructure, as we talked about during strategic planning, briefly, there were some sidebar conversations with Mr. Zervis and Mr. Helper and Mr. Beer about obviously the water sewer transplanting and the cost of those things. Likewise with Mr. Portfolio here, the space needs analysis, but in terms of the due diligence of the cost to build the city hall, the cost to relocate a city hall, the cost to partially re- you know, looking at all these options are going to inform our decision makings. So you know, to me there is a certain backwards component here where we need to know what's the cost to build a city hall of 30,000 feet, 50 and 70,000 feet, you know, or whatever the space needs analysis, we're going to need some real ballpark figures in order for us to make those decisions. Same with relocation, same with partial relocation, and same with potentially buying another office building as we talked about for some partial or that hybrid model that you talked about. So I think some of these things, we won't be able to make a decision until we have these basic assumptions because we want to make the best decision possible and it has to be informed. So again, the fact that there's a meeting right after Memorial Day here, which is a truncated meeting because it's all gonna be You know in one shot and for us to have all of these things without first knowing what is the price of a city hall? You know again, and then to put that on the next meeting that we're gonna just decide right there without knowing any of these costs Mr Cate's like I think it's you know, I just I don't see how the planning can be done in such a way. I think the critical path necessitates us analyzing what are the costs before we can, you know, make these types of, make these types of decisions. So, you know, I guess Swiss your opinion on that. Well, I don't disagree. You definitely need that information to make that policy decision. But it's a very compressed timeline. We're gathering that data right now. I think what's going to help us is, you know, finalizing Ava's work. So, once we finalize Ava's work, we can start applying numbers to some of those options. And then that'll help you better inform your decision from a financial perspective. So you'll be able to understand it then. I understand this, but I'm sorry to interrupt, but John, the point here that I think we all need to be in agreement on is, at least for me, I am not letting a timeline inform my decisions, you know, that this is a critical decision for our future, as we've been talking about for two years now, you know, in terms of having timelines for, right, this is the most detailed, this today is the most detailed update that I've seen on this. And I'm appreciative of it, really I am. But now to get that critical path list and start getting the schedule of when all of these reports are going to start coming out. The question that we need you and the staff to answer is when are we going to know what these basic costs are. and the idea Mr. Luke Kasich, at least in my opinion, friends, is that we need these numbers before we can make the decision. I will not let a timeline dictate somehow not having this detail because the timeline is dictating it. The way that a project has managed and having the information should be dictating it. So I think if we could start getting to a point where we're pinpointing, okay, this is when these work group teams, this is when they're going to start to have their reports. If you could start getting those things to us, I do feel that the things are going to fall into place. And likewise, it's unfair to our financial services team, to Mr. Service, to everyone else, to say, okay, well now we're going to have to figure out what the bond is going to be for this, or the funding is going to be for this, or how we're going to secure ties the ground lease for this. There's a tremendous amount of work that has to happen here and I understand it's been going on for a long time but we do need the detailed information at least I do colleagues in order to make these serious long term as we're saying 60 year decisions. So I hope you could get a little more tight on the individual reporting for those things. Up totally understand, I hear you. We have a model that CBRE has helped us build already. So once we start figuring out what are the square footage numbers going to look like for City Hall, we'll be able to inform you from a policy perspective as to what that impact is going to be. We're also taking a look at some of the other strategies as it relates to does City Hall stay on on property while there's development going on or not, you know, because that was an option that was given to us. We know what the policy direction is, but we're evaluating that and and Terran Frisbee is evaluating that as well. So we're in the process of doing all that, that data's being compiled, we're not gonna ask you to make a policy decision without you having that data available. So as a for instance, if by May 27th, the council isn't ready to make that type of decision, we'll push it to the meeting in June. Okay, but I think we're going to have the information for you. for you. I'm only saying the meeting in June because just in case. But we're planning on being able to have enough information for you to make a decision or give some general policy direction on May 27th. I appreciate that. But likewise, in terms of the rec master plan, quote, master plan, the question is, if it's not the full rec master plan, if it's the portion of the recmaster plan, quote, master plan, you know, the question is if it's not the full requmaster plan, if it's the, you know, if it's the portion of the requmaster plan that we need in order to effectuate, to effectuate this, you know, it's important for us to have those numbers. I know Mr. Stevens and Ms. Harms talked, just, summarily about what it's going to be, but we're going to just start pinpointing these things and start to pinpoint the programming. And likewise, all these decisions, all the costs associated with this are going to then inform, you know, the programming that we all think is appropriate for this area that the private sector is going to participate in. And likewise, and the revenue that can help pay for these things. So, you know, they are all interrelated and yeah, it's not something that we could just say, okay, well, you know, we'll figure out later and by the way, it's an extra $50 million we didn't think about. You know, we're going to have to have this data before these decisions are made and, you know, going back to the strategic planning in this way, it's, you way, we may not use the word dependent upon each other, but they're certainly very correlated and connected to each other. We will need that. Again, I can't argue with anything that you're saying. We agree with you. Now some of us going to have to be, you're going to have to make iterative decisions because we can make a decision on City Hall and what the feature looks like. But I'll be honest with you, we're not going to have the numbers on all of the infrastructure. So it's just not going to be available within the next two weeks, next three weeks. So some of it's going to be iterative. and we'll do the best that we can as we're going through this process, give you the data that you need in order to make a policy decision when we need one. But the purpose of this short timeline, getting you to early June, is to help us inform the basic building blocks of what's going to happen financially with the plan. Until we know what's going to happen with City Hall, we can't really start putting numbers together. So we need to start figuring that out. And it's going to drive what Terraforsbee does, ultimately, with our development plan. So that's an important decision that we need to help you make. So both Terraforsbee and the City can evaluate a plan going forward. OK. So I hear you. I understand exactly what you're saying. I appreciate it. OK. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. What I took from that whole exchange was that you said, Mr. LeCasic, you will have the data for us by the next meeting. Is that right? That is correct. Okay. That is the final bill. From all this discussion, that is the most important thing because what I heard Mr. Winger saying and I heard it a little differently was not that the, that we need the data by the timeline. This council has set a timeline. Our partners are working toward it. Every year delay by the timeline. This council has set a timeline. Our partners are working toward it. Every year delay delays the impact on this project that has been our top priority for now three straight goal settings. So it's important that we get that. I would say this. I know staff has not honed in on the exact number of square feet, but what I've discussed with Tara and Frisbee is their model for a city hall with flexible space, whether it's a city hall main building or an additional office building behind, which we could take as additional space that would be compatible with that place. So if you needed to level up, we needed to level down, we could do that. We'd have that flexibility over time. I would encourage staff to continue to work on its model and really refine that, because I think once you do that, we can get order of magnitude, whether it's your offer down 5, 10, 15,000 square feet, you can, you know, you get the incremental cost so we know how to go with that. I think that will give us the data that we need to move on. But I'm, you know, we have a lot already tied up and there's a sequencing to this. Let me ask you this, are there any policy? I mean, I know you're gonna discuss this this individually next week or this week apparently. But are there any things that you need direction on now that would help you clarify? We have been asking this council for an understanding of the number of square feet that we anticipate would be needed in the future. CBRE is working on it, staffs working on it. The sooner we hone in on that, even before we move into the new temporary space I think would help, because at least I've expressed some concern that 70,000 for the interim space may be too high, let alone the long term. Do you need more direction today on any of those things, or are you prepared to present an option, a set of options at different sizes? We do have a variety of options that we We want to present to you that we want to discuss with you. We want to have our model filled out so we can say, hey, this is what the impact of this option is going to be, and this is what the cost is. So you can understand from an operational and a cost impact. Okay, all right, thank you for the questions coming. Ms. Dracker. Yeah, so I guess just a little clarification on its individual meetings. I guess maybe this is just me. The reason we are not having this discussion is because we're missing one proposal of these four. Because now you're going to meet with each individual one of us and give us all the information under number two. And then we're going to come back here on the 27th and then try to get us five on the same page based on these discussions. Is that why these because I would have thought today would have been a perfect opportunity to review whatever had to be done with the council because we're all here. This is our workshop. We can stay as long as possible. Our meetings are pretty epic these days. And we would have had a lot more time then by the time we come to May 27th, which I agree with Mr. Wigder. It's a condensed meeting because we're off Memorial Day, so that's a condensed meeting and then we go into June 10th and then we're off until July 14th. So I guess the reason we're not having that conversation is because we're missing possibly we're missing one of these proposals is what I kind of wrote down in my notes. And when are we planning to schedule these meetings? Because as you know, the council, you have to get us all in to have this meeting to go over this. And I guess you don't have all this information. So again, just a little confused as to why we don't have that information now. And why we're not having it at this workshop. Okay, so a couple of things one one is we're not delaying because we haven't received all the data on the short-term options So that's not the rationale for delaying a discussion on you know long-term solutions for city hall The delay in having that conversation is just because we haven't had an opportunity to fully run the model yet to understand what the financial ramifications are going to be. So we should have that information this week. We should have a model set up. We should have all your options available. And then we can have a conversation with you. The reason that we're choosing to do it one-on-one is because we want to make sure that we have some detailed conversations with you out front before we sit down in a public meeting. So if you have some initial questions, we can go back and do some investigation to make sure that we have the in a public meeting. So if you have some initial questions, we can go back and do some investigation to make sure that we have the information that you need as soon as possible. Okay, all right. And I apologize that the timing so tight and we're cramping the schedule, we understand that, but we're doing what we can to get you to the point where we can make some policy decisions. I just, I'm a little hesitant just because this is a perfect opportunity to have that information. We don't have the inner agreements. We're going to have to review the inner agreement, the term letter sheets that we have. You mentioned something from Eva Garza. I don't, I search and search, maybe I could do that later, but I didn't see anything. Maybe it was sent through you through her, but if you search her name, I didn't have anything that she gave us to review, so, but that could just be, I couldn't find it. So again, I think that we've been asking for this information, and I know there's a lot work that's going in with staff and we had strategic planning last week and there's just been a lot of different meetings. I just think that, I guess my feedback, maybe to Mr. Brown, is on that May 27th condensed meeting, let's be very strategic as to what we're putting on the agenda, and not scheduling for a regular city city council meeting because we're gonna have to spend what I feel are good amount of time having discussion during the workshop meeting. And I believe that meeting starts at 10. So even based on that, so I think that we need to make sure whatever is on that agenda, that maybe we need to make sure that we give enough time for this. The meeting is presently scheduled to start at 10. I was going to suggest that we start at 9 if everybody's available to do that, just to provide more time that day if it's possible. We have plenty of time to notice the public that we're starting at 9. The other thing I would emphasize is that the regular agenda for that day will not have any significant public hearing matters on it so that we can focus our attention on the campus and the review that we need to undertake and well as any decisions we need to make. And again, just to emphasize what Mr. Lucastic was saying, one of the reasons that we want to have the individual meetings is we don't want to discuss the pricing in public until we've made some, just we figured out everything we have and can consider what the best option, you know, what we would recommend to you as staff and CBR would be the best options moving forward before we get together in a public setting and discuss the numbers All right, well first can we just go to mr. Brown suggestion and I'm fine. I'm starting at 9 a.m. That day anyone else I'm seeing two thumbs up already is that Mr Mr. Brown knows is the point of personal privilege. My friends my daughter's high school graduation is that day and I will be leaving at 2 p.m. if I'm in the middle of a sentence I will be leaving at 2 p.m. on that day so I apologize but yeah I will start at 7 a.m. if you'd, but the earlier the better or I would even propose a special meeting on Wednesday afternoon after the Crabitz thing if it's necessary because I understand that this is a very important matter but I do have a personal family matter that I have to leave to at 2 p.m. Ms. Drager. Mayor Singer, I will be at a town Wednesday at a conference for the city. And that is, so I can't do Wednesday. I think Tuesday if we want to start at eight, we could start at any 30. We can, that goes as an extra hour. So, to be planning that date. Eight, I, but, okay, what was it? All those in favor of 8 AM on Tuesday? All right, we got that clarified that clarified Ms. Dredker just for point of information are you available any remainder of time that week? I am not all right All right, and then Mr. Lucastic I would suggest that maybe between now and tomorrow evening because we can always revisit this conversation then you might want to brief us whether it's individually or otherwise, think of how much information you can put before us now even if we don't get into the specific pricing of each of the four options. And I'll just add Mr. Wigdor's point was an availing one about maybe we might isolate out the build out. I don't know what build outs, you know, I don't know the difference is in the quality of the buildout that exists now, but if we're talking flex space and temporary space, it will certainly be improvement over what we've had now at City Hall. So we don't necessarily have to get to the optimal space that we'll eventually have. So I think that may be another way to cut down some of the costs, cut some out of the optionality and the different things we have to consider. And finally, you know, this is something I think it's more appropriate to let's focus on getting to ES rather than saying condensed or short because I don't want to, you know, we've been aware of this in the pipeline for quite some time. So now is the time to be moving. Let me go to Ms. Nackles where I'm at, Ms. Nackles. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm also out the rest of the week that week too. So just in case there's anything else scheduled. Eva Garza, I have not received an email from her either. So was it information that came through you from? I probably sent it or Liam may have sent it. I will send it again. Thank you. I mean, I know to myself to send it again. Thank you. And the response to date for the counter proposals was Friday, right? It was. OK. All right. So whoever the fourth is, I hope that they get it to you in the next hour and a half, because that's not a good way to move ahead with this. But, and I hope the individual meetings are set up, you know, we do that immediately. So I wish we had had that on the schedule before just with all the centennial stuff next week too. All right, thank you. Thank you. And Mr. Wilkowski just that. And I would encourage there have been times where CB is referred to me mentioned, well, they sent a report along and we have not seen that. I would suggest that material becomes a staff come properly to council. For example there was some comparison done of some you know some summary of done of these spaces that was shared last week and that was only after a see where he was talking and brought forward to it. I think that might help move the process along. We're ultimately deciding we're in it so share as you get it. Understood. Thank you. Mr. Chompson, any questions? No. Mr. Drucker. The only thing I wanted to say since we're all five here is if we would have to have a special meeting between the 27th and the 10th that we look at that now because the calendars, like Ms. Lockley says, there is the available, their book, they book out, we book out weeks, Everyone knows that. We have tons of things going on that are just not government campus, but they're city related. Meeting. They're book out. We book out weeks that we, everyone knows that. We have tons of things going on that are just not government campus, but they're city related meetings and I don't know TPA treasure coast all the different things so Like I would like to look at those dates now and make sure that we block time if we're gonna go into a special meeting between May 27th and June 10th instead of saying June 10th. Let's go into a special meeting because then that's gonna be throwing off your timeline. I concur with anyone like to look at their schedule. Yep. I'll start because I have it up. I'm here June 2nd and June 3rd with pretty good availability. On June 2nd, it is my daughter's as a graduation ceremony as well but that will should terminate by midday so I'm available that whole afternoon the third is quite open for me. June 3rd is completely open for me. Please anyone else? June 3rd is good for me too. That week yeah I'm not available. Are you available electronically? It's not necessarily available electronically, Mr. Thompson. Good. Why don't we, why don't we, haven't forbid we need it, but why don't we all know that June 3rd might be a target date, Ms. Drucker? Or June 9th is our regularly scheduled meeting. Maybe we start earlier, or have a special meeting before we've done that before which is Monday before the 10th. I think we can do that but I would suggest that I don't know we're kind of planning of what if and what if and I prefer to appreciate the planning here. I'd say why don't we target June 3rd only because I'm worried staff. I don't know what timing staff might need if June 9th to June 10th is enough time. But I'm just trying to put, they just been proactive. I think I said that earlier, and I think through Z, and we're always thinking like reactive. We're always playing defensive set of offense, so let's just try to get the dates on the calendar before that, yeah. I'm available June 9th as well. Anyone else want to? Is everyone back? Is everyone in Boca Ratonetta? All right. Well, yes, we had to council workshop the date so certainly. So we were possibly starting earlier, yes. Yes, very well. All right, I think we've got some optionality there. I know you'll have optionality for us on the different plans. Excellent, thank you. Mr. Brown, any further things on this item? Andy, did you have anything else to provide in the report today? Nothing on the schedule. And I can talk to you, when we meet with your individual, I can talk to you about the work groups, if you like. I suppose talking about it now. About you want to talk about the work groups? The work groups. Yeah. I'm happy to just talk to you about it when we have an opportunity to meet. I'm fine with it now. Tomorrow, whenever you think appropriate. I think you've outlined, let me just for the benefit of the public not looking at the sheet, there are work groups consisting of city and CBRE, the legal teams, the proposal and the city manager's office, communications and oversight, regulatory framework group, an intermaster plan group, mobility traffic and mobility model connectivity group, an infrastructure utilities group, a civic buildings and facilities group, and a financing and capital plan work group. So that's what we're all looking at. Is there anything else you wanted to highlight now for the public? No, I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of all those groups and that they were working on what stage of work they were in. Very well. All right, thank you. And many individuals are on multiple groups, as you would expect. Yes. All right. All right. And then there's nothing further from CBR or staff. open up this top we will open this up to public comment anyone wishing to comment seeing no one come forward then we will there's nothing further from C.V. Area or staff will open up this to pop we will open this up to public comment anyone wishing to comment Seeing no one come forward will close that item will now turn to city manager reports for discussion of a new police facility Thank you marriage and service and Team will present Our work to date on the new police services. Chief Mutejo is going to join him. As well as Mr. Beer. As you know, we have been talking about the replacement police facility for some time. This is something we need to do regardless of what else may be occurring. and it's been discussed for what, at least 10 years, Michelle? 15 years. So it is time and this is an update on the work we've done to date and where we think we will be going. Thank you. Chief or Mr. Service? James is going to start. Mr. Service. Thank you mayor, of the city council Jim service deputy city manager and chief financial officer for the city with me today is police chief Muccio and public works and engineering directors act beer we're going to give your Your counsel and the public just an update on where we are with this police headquarters project Project as city manager Brown had mentioned. This has been going on for some time and work is a really full speed ahead on this particular project. So welcome the opportunity to let you know where we're at with the project. Just as an overview, the current police headquarters was built in 1987 and it's located across the street from city hall on second it is in the same location as the prior building from 1965 so that's been the really the location for police headquarters for the city has been there for some time that was considered really really central to the city at the time. The city limits didn't go as far west and we'll look at kind of the geographic footprint in a minute. But it was really coordinated right adjacent to downtown obviously and next to the railroad tracks. At the time the city was 27.14 square miles. It's really not that much smaller than we are today, but population-wise significantly smaller. So 58,821 in population back in 1987, and to protect that population, we had about 145 police employees. You can see our footprint has expanded a little bit between 1986 and 2025. During this time, our population has gone from that 58,821. We're close to 100,000 now. The last statistic I saw was 99,974, but I've seen some putting us over that $100,000 number. That's about a 70% increase. So when we talk about that increase from 1965 to where we are today, it's roughly 70%. Area wise, we are at 29.1 square miles, about 7.22% from 1965. So the footprint you can see in the two maps. We annexed going west to include Boca Town Center. I believe in some of those adjacent western communities as well as a little bit to the north. Obviously no room for growth to the east or to to the south, so primarily growing north and west. Police department wise, as I mentioned, we had about 145 employees at that time. Back in 1965, we have 186 more than that, so we are about 331 today. So it's 128 percent increase. So when you look at that square footage that we've had historically, you can understand, helps paint the pictures as to why we're kind of busting at the seams in that older facility and really the location, which is constrained by development on all sides. I'm going to turn it over to Chief Mucciote to talk a little bit about the current conditions and challenges we face from a policing aspect within the community. Thank you. As Mr. Zervis said, we have grown significantly with our personnel. And right now we are in about with equipment and people, we are in about five different locations, which is very difficult when you want to have a centralization of your operation. We would have to, if something happens, someone would have to drive out to one location to get a vehicle, a specialized vehicle to get to a scene, which actually puts a lot more time on everything that we do. Also we have in this building alone we have some detectives that we had to move them out here because of just our space needs and we need to coordinate the detectives at the downtown headquarters right now they work with the detectives here but they have to do it over phone now or they have to try to meet up somewhere when it would be easier just to go to someone's cubicle to get help whether it be getting help from the computer crimes unit by downloading a phone or what have you they still have to come out here to do that. One of the biggest problems we have is our building has aged so much and it's pretty worn. Vulnerability to weather. We have to evacuate our building if there's a storm coming. So you'll see a lot of us here and we put people around the city and other buildings. So as Chief Mochow mentioned, we have a few constraints around and concerns around the operations and location and suitability for those operations. So really, we are constrained by development on all sides. And so as we look to expand those specialized units and equipment, being able to-locate those those items in a central location somewhere that is secure and safe from the public but also gives us enough room to effectively manage those assets in personnel and centralize that into an area that is central to the population we're trying to serve and gives us access to that population readily right now with the train tracks on one side and then just traffic and you know that's around downtown in the neighboring residential communities makes that challenging adapting to that increased population and crime complexity so we had just have changes in the nature of policing as Chief Muteo had mentioned. And the location where we're really no longer in the center. And we've had that discussion with respect to kind of where city hall is going to be. But there is definitely more growth to the north and to the west. And so when we look at a map in just a second about the location, I think it speaks for itself as to why that is a more suitable location and gives us more room to operate. So this new location over adjacent to the Spanish River Library really does address many of those concerns. You can see on the map here the blue star is the current police headquarters and the green star is the location adjacent to the Spanish River Library. The library location in the in the bottom graphic with the map you can see the blue shaded portion, which is the area that we are considering for this operation. It will not inhibit the path, the public path that goes around the lake. We are trying to preserve that public access for that amenity. So if you're case you're looking, but we are looking at access both on the Spanish river and then the adjacent technology. There is a canal, our culvert that runs a long Spanish River Boulevard that we're having to contend with in part of the design, but that's part of the discussions we're having now. So really we're looking at that full space and how to how to appropriately use that. The advantages here geographically, you can see the green star versus the blue star were really more centrally located in where the population is growing, but it really provides key access to a number of transportation corridors. So it's much easier for staff to be able to respond to calls for service, jumping on whether it's 95 or Northwest Second. You know, they can get north, south, east, west much more efficiently from that location than the current location. And it gives us a much bigger footprint to work with. So you can, you can, you mean, you're well aware of the station where it's at. Now we really can't do much but go up, which cannot office space, but doesn't give us a lot of maneuverability for things like special equipment, special units and just a little more space between those operations and the public as well. Any questions, Mayor? Mr. Zervis, I'm sorry about this slide. Of lovely 20-acre site there, how many acres do you anticipate for the police headquarters parking, that sort of thing for the new facility and how close to the intersection would it be? I'm imagining pretty close. So I don't know that we can answer, we're not at that level of design yet. So I'm gonna hedge and tell you we to come back with with that information. At this point we're considering the whole site as part of the area for design and where we are in the process just to give you kind of an update. We have done a space analysis for both current needs 2035 and out to 2045 working working an architect. So we understand the square footage that we think we're gonna need for each specific bureau and component of the policing, as well as the square footage that we, or the area that we think we need for things like special equipment, firing range, parking, guest parking, all of these different elements that have to go in this facility. So we have all of that square footage data. We're now working with the architect to actualize that into an actual model in a building and see where we can gain efficiencies and how we lay things out. Things like, well, you may not need three conference rooms, maybe you need two because of how you arrange those within a particular building. We're doing that work right now, and that will really feed into the answer to your question, Mayor, which is how do these sit then on the site and how close are they to the roadway? Thank you. Any questions? Mr. Riger? Yes, thank you. How large is the current police station right now? Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. Zach, we are public works and engineering director. The current police station is 30,000 square feet. And how many acres is it on? I don't know the acreage of the police side off the top of the thousand square feet. And how many acres is it on? I don't know the acreage of the police side off the top of my head. A couple acres. It's not. I would say I'm getting guess to wish. Yeah, I probably more somewhere between two and six acres. Two and get that really quick. Two and six and then then obviously as the city has grown, and the resources grown, and the equipment, and all the other stuff, my understanding from just talking to the chief and you and other people is that the police equipment is now, the word stash is not the right word, but maybe it is. It's stashed all over the place. Some of it's here, some of it's municipal, some of it is wherever it has to be because obviously we cannot contain all the police equipment in a two acre or three acre site downtown. Is that right? Yeah, we have to have the equipment needs to be secured and it needs to have video. So it is on different city sites. One being a fire banion site, we have some equipment over there. And then you were talking chief and Mr. Servus about the fact that the detectives and what not are here is the idea that once a new police station is established that we will be or the police department will be vacating. It's current use of the space here and giving it back to either I guess emergency management or FD or something like that or. We still have a training component. This is still our training center. We have different equipment set up in different areas of this building that we would leave it here because we won't have enough space to do it in another building. And I think Mr. Zürger is beat me to it, but I think it's 4.39 acres. That's correct. I was going to cut it Mr. Kaley with that same answer. So, Mr. Brown. Chief, just for the public's information, we show on the map that's on the screen right now moving from downtown up to Spanish River Library site just so the public's aware we have zones in the city that cover the city and it doesn't mean that the police will not be responding as fast as they do today to the southwest and the southeast parts of the city. Is that correct? Correct. Our cities separated into districts and then within the districts, their zones. The patrol officers, that's their office. Wherever their zone is, that's their office. Their vehicles, their office, and that's their area that they're patrolling. They're not going to be stationed at the police department. They will come in before their shifts for a briefing. If they have to bring evidence in to drop it, they would come into the building, but they're always out and about. They're never at the police department full time. Thanks. For the questions now, or? Just a comment. So I like moving over here, especially because we just recently did the CIMD ordinance and there's more affordable workforce housing over here. So I think that will be a good thing for our force and hopefully maybe attract some people to come to live and work and play in Boca. So there's five different locations. After this is built, hopefully, then we'll have downtowns location, smaller substation. We would have the new and we would keep this building. So we'd still have three different locations. So I believe, go ahead. There's a we have a substation at town center. So there's that location as well. Yeah. So we're going to have the we're going to have the footprint downtown. So that we have a substation downtown. This building we would still occupy it for our training purposes because we do have a lot of things set up here. Like I said, plus we have communications. We just built communications a few years back. We have a biological processing lab. And there's some other operations that I'm not going to say publicly, but they're going to be here. And then all of everyone else would be in one building so that we can work together. Thank you. All right, chief. All right, some of our operational features that we're going to be looking at is a community room. We don't have that in the current police department. It was never thought in to incorporate it. Also having more of a visitor friendly when people come in actually knowing where to go, having everything in the lobby that they need to get. Right now, if you have to pick up property or if you have to pick up reports, we have to send you one place, and then we have to wait till our property folks come up front, and then you have to go into a secured area because again, it's property. One of the things is the car seat installation. That's big. We get a lot of appointments for that and sometimes we can't do it because of the weather. So by having an area that has maybe an overhang where a car can pull up and one of our officers can help with the car car seat installation is helpful. Also a safe swap zone where whether it be people are buying online or whether parents are exchanging children We'll have an area where they can go and it's videoed so we can watch and make sure everything is okay And we don't want to make the mistakes that You know it back in the 80s Never would we have thought that there would be computer crimes units, threat assessment, risk protection units, we would have drone units. Those were not in anyone's vision at the time. So we want to be a little bit more forward looking and try to have space for our current needs and try to figure out what could be the future. And then of course an energy efficient building because right now it's not. Built in the 80s and it was before Hurricane Andrew also. Some of the benefits that we're looking for is by consolidating everything. We'll have accountability and efficiencies because we'll be able to see everyone, we'll be able to be together. Again, having people come in, having a community room where we can invite people in for meetings and have that exchange. And it's like I was saying, being a little bit more forward thinking in a modern facility with technology. And then, of course, having our specialized teams where their equipment is. It'll be more efficient for our responses. And things have gotten a lot different than they were in the 80s when our building was done and we need security. We need to make a building that secure. So those who come to the building are secure and those who work within the building are secure. And then our centralized location as we Mr. Service was talking about by having it in a centralized location, those that are stationed at the police department, which are usually the detectives, crime scene, you have your officers in the road and they're all patrolling, but if something happens, those detectives are still police officers, they will jump in their cars and they will respond, and by being there, they can pretty much hit any quadrant in the city. And then of course our healthier working environment. Then, you know, in 1980s building, having a healthier building and to help out with employee retention and recruitment. So to go over where we are with regards to the schedule, we are currently in phase one on this list. So preliminary planning, I'd mention that we had finished the special needs assessment. We're refining that right now. It's a very detailed assessment, so it actually goes through every specific, not just high level kind of bureau, but function down to desks in personal space and conference room and really a full analysis of those space needs. That's been completed. We're just kind of refining those numbers. As I mentioned, the next step, and we're working the architectural firm ADG. And ADG is well respected in this space. They've built several public safety facilities and are frequent speakers on this very topic. So it's a good firm to be working with. They've done the space needs analysis with us. So their expertise helps inform our process. The next step is to take that information and actually compile it into a plan for a building or buildings with supporting facilities like the garage, like firing range, all these, you know, parking, all of these elements to start to put some efficiencies in place and then to develop a site plan based on that information. We will be back to you once we have more information to share in that regard so we can adjust and keep you informed us to the process. That is really expected to take the rest of this calendar year which would put us into phase two in the beginning of 2026 and that is design and permitting. So that's actually getting into the detailed construction design and permitting and then you can see construction to start really at the end of 26 early 27 with completion two years after that so a two year build. So it's a long process. It's 48 months in duration. Hopefully we can we can accelerate some of those components but this is you know this is the largest public works project that this city has undertaken so it's a single project. So I know we're working on a large you know campus development plan but when it comes to a single city facility that we're constructing, I think this is the biggest one that we've done. So we're trying to take the appropriate time and process to ensure the best outcome and be responsible with that. This also, this timeline, as far as I'm aware, it doesn't interfere with anything that's going on with the campus redevelopment project and so that's this is where we stand. So if there's any questions as to the schedule or duration we're happy to discuss that now. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. A couple of things. When do you think that you'll have some, let's call it, I understand we're in the early stages, some ballpark budgeting for something like this? So I would expect to have some, both ballpark budgeting and some options in that regard, as well as some illustrations as to what this facility is going to look like. And I'm going to I'm looking to Mr. Beer but I'm going to say August, September, is that a good estimate? Yeah, I think the fall time frame will be at the point where we can move from our space planning actually putting the pieces together and start doing some sight layout and have a better understanding of that. Thank you. And likewise, I know you and I have had some preliminary conversations that obviously to undertake a project like this financially would require the city floating a general obligations bond. when would you anticipate something like that from a time horizon would be ready to go forward? So that I do have one more slide here and that is exactly what you're asking about. So this is the financing for this project will likely include a general obligation bond. We're expecting a 30 year term tax exempt municipal bond issue, which is an ad valorem tax levy. We would expect based on the project timeline, March 26 would be a reasonable time to be prepared to go to the voters to ask that question. So that gives us plenty of time to inform your board as to design functionality, budget, you know, what that looks like for a potential debt issuance this summer and then be prepared for marches that likely timeframe. We can go earlier or later but that would coincide with the municipal election which would also save the city a fairly significant amount of money. It was what we're told by the county is opposed to holding a special election so you know cost wise it makes sense to target that March 26th date. Now, now tomorrow on tomorrow's agenda there is what's called a reimbursement resolution. That reimbursement resolution does not obligate in any way the city council to pursue a bond issuance. All the reimbursement resolution does is preserve the city's ability that if there is a future bond issuance for this project that we're able to recover our out of pocket costs that we're incurring now in the design phase, ultimately from those bond proceeds that we can be reimbursed for these out of pocket costs. But again, it does not obligate the city to move forward with a bond issue. And we will be looking at all forms of financing that are available. If there are other financing structures out there that make sense, we will bring those options to your council as well For the questions So just to highlight the number in there as a placeholder it one we haven't confer over going up for a bond and two may not be that number at all That's correct very good all right for the questions then Probably thank you I believe that concludes that item so mr. Brown's the remainder of your report. I believe that concludes that item. So Mr. Brown, it's the remainder of your report. I think that Devin Henry Nockles is going to bring this up. But there's a June 26th TPA meeting that's occurring on the 26th because of June Teeth, which would be the normal meeting date. And I think there's some we need to make sure that we know who's representing the city of the TPA meeting. So Mr. Thompson raises hand, is that a volunteer? So moved, he's volunteering. Is that all right, Mr. Wigger? So Mr. Wigger is going to cover for my spot. And Mr. Thompson will cover for Fran and then we'll just go ahead and notify the TPA of the alternatives. and then you'll get your agenda reviews and you'll get your packets and you'll go represent as well. Thank you. Well, we'll be team day at the TPA. Sorry. That's a problem. Say I couldn't hear you. It'll be B team day at the TPA. No, no, no. Also, Mr. Winger is my alternate for probably to the give cities on May 28th. So he is going to also cover me that day for the meeting. I am also a board member. Correct. So I don't know if that changes the way you can use that. I don't know, because it's not. Is it two votes? Because we're a bigger city. I thought the bigger cities get, we want to meet that. We might have to ask that question. We have time for TPA. We might be not doing it. For TPA, we have two voting members. For the Palm Music of Cities, we always have one plus an alternate. But you are a board member. Congratulations. Yes, that's very important that we finally got a board member back on there. We'll have to check that charter. I don't know. So it's still not like a volunteer to check that charter. I'll check. I'll ask them. So it's not Mr. Wigger. I mean 28th. I will need an alternate for me 28th. Although that's the installation meeting. So everyone's welcome to come to that meeting or any other meetings. All right. Thank you. Where was checking? Could you also check to see if we need to designate another alternate formally If you can't be it anymore? Talk to Mr. Brown about it. Yeah, thank you very well. All right, Mr. Brown still your report nothing else I see your report Mr. Kailer I have no Council member reports starting with Mr. Thompson No report. Thank you miss necklace Thank you. Thank you, and thank you mr. Brown for bringing up the TPA. Thank you for volunteering to cover that. I just wanted to say thank you. Once again, we touched on it, strategic planning, but thank you to all the staff and all the Boko Bike Club members and all the volunteers that came out to support our first bike rodeo last weekend. It was really well attended. It was a sold out event at 60 kids registered and some of the kids even learned how to ride without their training wheels, which was great. And it was just really great day in Bokeh on. Just wanted to thank you, Mr. Brown for facilitating that as well. Thank you, Mr. Grucker. No report, thank you. Mr. Rueger. Nothing further, thank you. Thank you. Celebrate our centennial by getting your swag at Boko100.com. 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