I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What? So, let's see. I'm going to have a second. Second. Second. I motion the second any further discussion. I will have some favourites please think about saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Next on item C approval of minutes. Do I have a motion? Mr Chairman, yes. I'd like to move away at 3 next. I have one with the colleges to the staff. I mentioned earlier, the work session minutes, I have one small contribution. Okay. So, do I have five? In the work session minutes, at the very end, we talked about a deal by the member. We talked about, I asked the question, how are you citing the agreement's work relative to zoning and so on and my question was whether it would have the termination of non-conflicts with the complex and that's not suggestive training the minutes of the work session and I talked about it the termination of compliance and I think what I meant was this is every of non-compiled. Can we make the adjustments? That's the basic. That's the basic. That's the same. Otherwise, otherwise, I'm happy to have the cut from the room. Do we need to second that change? Yes. That was a motion. That was a motion. Second. Second. Motion was seconded in for. All was in fair please second by by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? None. On item D there is not going to be a board of zoning appeals meeting. Number two, Citizens' time. This is an opportunity for citizens to comment on any matter. Not scheduled for public hearing. Do I have anyone that wants to take advantage of Citizens citizens' time to see? Seeing none, I close citizens' time. We move on to our regular agenda items, which are public hearing. This is a public hearing to allow the commission to gather information from interested citizens on the agenda items. Citizens may speak in reference to each item on the agenda for a time usually limited to three minutes. will be limited to three minutes commissioners and staff may ask questions of anyone attending the hearing Speakers are asked not to direct questions or comments to each other speakers are not allowed additional time for rebuttal This is a hearing not a debate questions may be directed to commissioners and community development staff during regular office hours We move on to item A, special permit, SPPT-2502-4112, Spatonis-Pizza. Mr. Chairman, I would like to recuse myself. Make it be noted that Ms. Ropin is recusing herself from any action on this agenda item. Welcome, Mr. Martin. Good morning. This is a category eight special permit for a temporary event for Spatonis Pizza has a 50th anniversary celebration. Two properties included with the application for the overflow parking both located off of Lee Highway. Just over 3.4 acres, part of the new Baltimore Service District with a land use of commercial business. Zoned highway C2 surrounding properties are also known commercial business C2 and agriculture R.A. predominantly commercial uses including 711 F East frozen favorites north side 29 restaurant McCray heating and air conditioning and metas farm nurseries across route 29 The applicant serve requesting a temporary event for May 31st, 2025 from 11 a.m. to 9 p.m. during their normal business hours. They plan to have a temporary patio extension and live music to celebrate the event. They anticipate a maximum of 110 days at one time and plan to provide two portable restroom facilities and overflow parking. The included conditions for for your consideration are that they have only be authorized for May 31st, 2025 from 11 a.m. to 9 p.m. The event shall be approved by Fire and Rescue, the Sheriff's Office, the Health Department and VDOT with copies of approvals provided to the zoning administrator prior to the event. The grass parking shall be mowed and maintained prior to the event. With no parking, no event parking or loading on Route 29, there shall be personnel available to assist with traffic flow and parking, and they shall get a V.O.Landys permit for special event signage. I'm happy to answer any questions. Commissioner's any questions? The staff at this point. Hearing none, thank you Ms. Marshall. Open as public hearing. Is there anyone present who likes to speak to this application? please come forward. Seeing none, I believe this is in Scott District. It is, Mr. Chairman, and it's nice that we have 50 years in the district. Yes. I move that we approve this. I think the staff is on a very good job in terms of the conditions and so forth and some of my motions to approve this. You want to move forward with the conditions as presented by the staff. Okay. I have a motion in a second. Any further discussion? All is there please signify by saying aye. Any opposed? Moving on to item V on the agenda, special exception. SPEX-23-019905, new Baltimore Fire Hall. Welcome. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Subvocation has two parts. The applicant is requesting a category seven special exception for adaptive use of the former new Baltimore Fire Hall building as a contractor's office and as an indoor outdoor technical school. They're also requesting a category 13 special permit to allow a business office in the existing residential structure on the parcel adjacent to the fire hall. The properties are located at 5303 and 5317 Lee Highway in New Baltimore. The parcels together total 3.68 acres and are in the R1 residential zoning district. These parcels are generally surrounded by residential uses. To the east, south, and west, there is village, commercial village, and commercial neighborhood zoning across the highway. We're good. The service district plan is included in chapter six of the county comprehensive plan. The goal of the office park area is to create a mix of business, education, recreation, personal services, and public and quasi public uses. It. It calls for pedestrian infrastructure including trails and sidewalks, and offers guidance for signage and dense landscaping to screen these businesses from Lee Highway. This highway is included in the journey through Hallow ground, National Scenic Highway, the comprehensive plan calls for preservation of such byways and state's development should not depreciate or cause the visual of trusions along the route. As its name suggests, the new Baltimore Fire Hall was previously home to the new Baltimore Fire and Rescue Department until they're moved to their Riley Road location in 2012. As a former public safety building, it is eligible for adaptive reuse with a special exception for the zoning ordinance. The applicant is associated with the existing businesses, brothers mechanical services, and the Virginia Mechanical Trade Institute which operate out of Manassas. They would like to utilize the first floor level of the building, which is the side that's shown here facing the highway. As a contractor's office, shop and storage yard used for their existing business. The office would be open from 8.30 to 8 Monday through Saturday and have four full-time employees. Utilize the full area of the first floor and have a small amount of outdoor storage. Depplican has proposed 10 parking spaces for this office use. On the basement level of the fire hall, which faces Gray's Milro, the applicant is proposing adaptive use as an indoor and outdoor technical school. The school would operate on all days of the week from 8 a.m. to 10 p.m. and include two class sessions, wondering the day and wondering the evening, the proposed curriculum separates each class into four hour lecture and a four hour lab. Gapigan has proposed up to six instructors on staff with three per each class and up to 25 students per session, noting that this is their future goal and enrollment will likely be less in the early years. As shown on the submitted plan, the indoor classroom spaces would be on the entire lower level of the fire hall and also in the enclosed area that is shown to replace the existing shed that you can see. 23 parking spaces are proposed for this use and the applicant has indicated three 15 passenger vans will be procured to provide transportation for students to reduce the parking demand. The second portion of the application is for a category 13 special permit to allow the use of the existing residential structure on the adjacent lot as a business office for six or less employees. This office would provide supplemental administrative space for the contractor's office and for the technical school. I have spoken with the applicant and they provided some clarification that this will typically be financial business operations. This home is currently also owned by the applicant. The office would operate 830-6 Monday through Saturday, the same days as the week as the contract was office and roughly around the same hours. Prison zoning ordinance, they could have a maximum of six employees, no equipment or material storage and no retail or wholesale sales. The six parking spaces for this use are currently and will only be accessed through the Fire Hall parcel. This summarizes the associated site improvements. The two existing gravel entrances, the one directly off of Lee Highway, and the one off of Grey's Mill will be closed and re-vegetated to a natural state. The remaining concrete entrance will be brought up to B.S. and a gate and fencing will be added, landscaping and screening are proposed around the entire parcel and in total the applicant is proposing 39 parking spaces. The Facker County Water and Sanitation Authority has reviewed the application. The applicant would abandon the existing well in the septic systems and then said utilize public utilities. And to answer the question that came up this morning, the existing drain field is here. But again, they will connect to the public utilities. This slide also represents the proposed improvements. You can see the two buildings being utilized, as well as the proposed landscape buffers and the pedestrian easements to be dedicated to the county. The applicant has also provided examples of five and seven foot high security fencing that would be used. As part of the adaptive use standards, ultimately the board must find that the proposed use is most appropriate, given the prior use and design of the existing building. The applicant believes that the open basement floor plan would be useful as a training classroom space. The board must also find that the traffic generated by the uses will not cause undue impact on the neighbors or adversely affect the safety of the roads. Staff and V. have recommended the closure of the existing Lee Highway entrance because it is unsafe and does not meet the V. standards. However, that means that the sole entrance would be located on Graysmill Road, which is considered designated as a local road, which is less than the major collector standard. Based on the application materials and the V. traffic counts, counts, the applicant would be adding approximately 151 daily trips to the Greysmell Road, which is an increase of 23% from current traffic. Other items for your consideration is that zoning ordinance requires all adaptive uses be effectively screened from all public streets and land in a residential district. The commission must also make the determination that the proposed adaptive use is compatible with the surrounding residential properties and that items like the proposed site changes and the hours of operation, the proposed staffing and the class attendance are appropriate for this parcel. Conditions could be recommended to address those concerns. Staff has including conditions for your consideration and has separated these generally into each use. The contractor's office on the first floor would only operate on the fire hall property and it would be limited to that first level. The condition would allow for the requested hours of 8.30 to 8 p.m. Monday through Saturday. Staff recommends four employees max based on the submitted application materials, but the applicant is requesting that this be increased to six. Outdoor spreads would only be allowed in the areas shown on the plan, it must be effectively screened, and staff has recommended that only emergency lighting be used. For the technical school, similarly, it would only operate in the fire hall building in the basement level. The recommended condition would allow for the requested two sessions with three instructors and 25 students. The proposed condition would allow for indoor activities to occur during the requested hours of 8 to 10 PM all days of the week. The noise generated by the technical school would need to comply with the noise standards of the zoning ordinance. Proposed conditions for the business office and the residential home would limit operations to that building and set hours of operation to the requested 830 to 6 PMpm Monday through Saturday. For the ordinance, it would only have six employees and no visits to the office, no retail, no wholesale sales or storage. And it must maintain its residential appearance. The property would continue to only be accessed through the new Baltimore Firewall parcel. All landscaping buffers and fencing would need to meet the zoning ordinance standards. Existing vegetation is recommended to remain in place and be supplemented to improve the screening. The plant material along Lee Highway would need to meet the journey through how it grounds preferred plant pallet. The only entrance would be the existing concrete entrance on Gray's Mill Road and the two other would be completely removed and re-vegetated to a natural state. No parking, stopping or standing would be permitted on either roadway. The proposed security gate must be able to open and close while the largest expected vehicle is standing outside of the public right away. A site plan will be required. And I will note that following this morning's meeting, the applicant has provided materials for your review and they no longer indicated that they need the outdoor storage and activity space so they would like to remove that from the application. So that letter has been uploaded to the portal, and we can amend conditions as necessary. We did receive one letter of public comment this afternoon from a neighbor with general concerns regarding the increase of traffic to Gray's Mill Road, and then concerns about noise from the outwards portion of the school and from construction. And I'm happy to answer any other questions. Commissioner's any questions to staff at this point? Do we have that neighbor's letter? It has been uploaded. It generally states that she was unsure if the traffic generated would be impactful to the neighborhood. Thank you. Any other questions to staff? Thank you Ms. Warley. Thank you. Open public hearing is applicant present. Please come forward. Welcome ma'am. I thank you. Please stage your name. Sure. My name is Marion Harder's. I am with Wolf, Clucci, Luba Lyon, Walsh. And I'm here tonight with actually Joe Nell Cameron who's also at Walt with Walt Fluci. Mark the applicant, Jerome Gonzalez our civil engineer and Joe who's also with the applicant. So thank you for allowing us to come tonight and speak to you for a little bit about this application. Staff obviously has given a very robust review of the application itself, the zoning, the comprehensive plan, the facility itself, how it's going to operate in circulation and all of those things. I'm not going to go back in and go over all that for time purposes, but I would like to just touch on a couple of things. Again, the staff noted that it's essentially a three-part type of application that we're asking the request for the adaptive reuse of the former fire hall for the Contractor's Office on the upper level and the technical school. And then we were also asking for the allowance of the existing single-family dwelling to become a business professional office. So that kind of encapsulates the three asks with this application. In the staff report, it's noted that the property is located in the New Baltimore Service District and that the future land use designation is to concentrate and guide growth to these districts. And even though the property is zone A1 and it is surrounded by residential communities, the growth and the idea that the board has put before the county is that this area is planned for an office park and the new Baltimore service district. With that in mind, these uses do facilitate and bring forward and we believe support the comprehensive plan. The staff report also noticed that it's envisioned that this will include businesses and education uses. Again, two of these aspects that this applicant is bringing forward and we believe is provided here. So what is the applicant's vision here? And how does the proposal further the goals of the county? I want to start with a couple of data points that we found, that recent research, as recent as just this month, April 2025, we identified that there are thousands of HVAC jobs and related positions in the state of Virginia that are open jobs waiting to be filled. Zipper Cruder for instance had listing over 50-300 jobs technicians and stallors commercial HVAC specialists Indeed which is another job source had listed over 1400 HVAC positions. CareerJet identified another 2200 HVAC jobs and Glassdoor had 637 positions including 102 managerial positions. We also noticed that the county itself has an open HVAC position. So all of that to say is the training,'s there's a shortage that is the applicant is trying to meet and so let's look at what exactly the applicant who the applicant is so he they are a leading commercial mechanical contracting service in the region and they again as evidenced by these numbers they've identified the labor shortage in the mechanical trade industry. So to address it the applicant is looking to or is happy I wanted to say they're seeking to expand their services but that's not it. What they're trying to do is tap into the experiences they've already have in the industry, many, many years of HVAC experience, and then almost sharing that and making it become an issue for allowing others to learn from their trade. And so that's why this idea of establishing a school, noticing the shortage, not only for their own businesses, but also that this is a very viable and lucrative field for many, many people that if they don't have the training, they can get it. And that's what they want to offer. It's a very high demand with competitive salaries that you would get at the end of this training. So the company or the school, the Virginia Mechanical Trade Institute, it's a hands-on training program that's focused on preparing and certifying trained professionals in HVAC installation and maintenance. The applicant believes that the technical school can serve the fundamental community needs while advancing careers that we just touched on. And it's a great opportunity for the youth, whether the applicant can partner with local schools or just as educational purposes, bringing more awareness to this type of industry and this service. It's a four-year program, I believe staffs mentioned this. It requires 741 hours to complete and the time is spent on lectures and hand-on-hand on learning and troubleshooting on HVAC equipment. We did take away the and we and you saw the commitment that we will remove the outdoor storage of equipment and the training exercise area and further analysis of what can we what would be suitable for this site, they advocate and agree that they could remove that and still provide the necessary lab area so to speak to work on the HVAC equipment. Again, it's almost like trying to assimilate and train folks on the equipment that they're out there serving and servicing. So, but given the reuse or the remodeling and the rebuilding of the existing shed, that will serve that purpose just fine. So the applicant had no problem taking that off the plan. The applicant also is interested in fostering apprenticeship programs and internships for their students, whether it's with their own business or hopefully maybe other businesses, HVAC businesses out there. Again, to promote this goodwill of promoting the industry as well as student education. The applicant is currently certified teacher that teaches mechanical trades within Fairfax County public schools and the Northern Virginia Community College. They are working on their accreditation process and that will go through the, they're currently working with Virginia Department of Labor and Industry to obtain that accreditation. And they see that the former New Baltimore Fire Hall just presents a really unique opportunity for them to repurpose that building and have it open for school. They're relatively open floor plan with some internal remodeling will really work well for them. So just one touch base, a couple more things on just some other elements. The land use itself, we've talked about that the proposed use is compatible with the designation of the long-waring plan. The designation provides an office for successful business as well as vocational school and mechanical services. The proposed business office in school can provide the beginnings of an office park area, which is also outlined in the comprehensive plan, while also providing uses that can complement the existing nearby industrial uses. With community design, the app can under its ownership they do on the property today, and they currently have, I believe, shown tremendous care and maintenance of the property already. The improved, if this application is approved, I think that will continue and you'll see not only just additional landscaping and building maintenance and property enhancements. I know Fencing has been a question in the applicant I can share with you some of the ideas of Fencing. We do have two things listed. Two ideas for fencing that are in the plan itself. You can see it on the lower left or right corner of the slide there. But we also have other options that we'd like to pass out if these would also be of interest to the commissioners. You could give them to our secretary. She'll, yes. Meredith, go ahead, take them. Thank you. Thank you. It is, again, more of a ornamental. It's a metal-framed fencing ornamental. We want to make sure that it's compatible with the existing residential. don don't want to have any standout or look to to garish or not compatible. But we also need something that has security features. The business does have certain protocols that they have to meet. They are DOD contracts. They do contract with the DOD and so there are certain standards that they have to adhere to and security is one of them. So that's why we have been leaning towards this metal type fence. But again, I think there are some very tasteful ones. You see one example there that is at a residential building itself. So just give those to you for some consideration and input if you'd like. The economics again, we come down to this project as being familiar with the economic development for the county, providing jobs both with the businesses and it's increasing the commercial tax base. In addition, the education and vocation school work is going to provide a new workforce for the county and in the county of the states and will also provide the certification program for the county residents. I'm going to stop there and ask if you have any questions. We'll be happy to answer. We also have Joe here who is actually working on the development of the program itself and he is a journeyman himself and has gone through the program and can easily answer any questions that you have something specific about the program. Thank you, ma'am. Please sign in. Next speaker please to this application. Welcome sir. Thank you. Good afternoon and thank you for your service to the community. I really appreciate it. I'm not sure how much time we have left but I will keep it as brief as possible. Three minutes. I'd like to just speak on maybe humanizing some of these students and giving you guys a clearer picture of what we're trying to do with this board. As an apprentice, you start out at our program. It doesn't have to be with those mechanical services. It can be anybody who's registered in the state of Virginia as an apprentice. We will be a registered training center for those students or apprentices. Within four years, you go through a program, you work down the day, come back to a class once over twice a week. And in four years you're adjourning, you're licensed, and you can make a living, you can have insurance, You can have a foreign case, building up, and I think it's something I wish I had as a member. I had to join the military to pay for my education. And I think there's a lot of folks out there that don't know this pathway exists. High school student to full earner, full benefits, making a great salary four years. If you had the previous experience, two years, two years experience, your journeyman, next year, your master. There's thousands of jobs right now. Right now, there's MRI machines not being worked on for three weeks because we can't get a technician out. There's schools, there's every number and manner of pieces of equipment just sitting there waiting to be fixed. And there's a lot of companies who want to pay really good rates and things for this. And I think each student that will graduate from this program, the better the community and better their own lives. So thank you for your time. If you have any questions, please. Thank you, please sign in. Next speaker to this application, please. Seeing none, Ms. Herbert, would you like to close this public hearing? Yes. I close public hearing. Mr. Chairman, this is in Scott District, and I've spent a lot of time trying to think this one through. We've gotten new material and new information as we walked in the room tonight. I am going to move that we deny this application. I'm a little bit, but that's a difficult decision. But it's, the primary concern I have about it have about it is that I think we cannot meet the, this application cannot meet the standard that says it has to not have a big impact on the neighborhood. It has to have access to a primary road or some other accommodations. The hours of operation that they want to have, the number of people that they want to have on the property until 8, 9, 10 o'clock at night, almost every night of the week, with everybody having to go down, grace, no can't I can't see it. So I move that we do not the application Do I have a second to that Recommendation recommendation. Do I have a second to that? Hearing not a second that motion fail. Do I have another motion? Does this does the second motion have to? Does the second motion have to come from the commissioner of the district? No Chairman and commission I make a recommendation I make a motion to make a recommendation of approval of the special exception, SPEEX 23-019905. I'll move on to the final. Do I have a second on that? Second. Excuse me a second. I have a motion in a second. Is there any further discussion on that? Hearing none. All those in favor please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? No. Motion is granted. 4-1. Moving on. Item C. Special exception, SPEX, dash two three, dash zero to zero eight one four bridge church expansion. Welcome. Thank you again. I'd like to remind you all that there was an air and the public advertisement for this application so the commission is unable to act on this item this evening but we need to be postponed and the item can be added to a future meeting agenda. The bridge community churches are casting a category 13 special exception to allow for the expansion of a major place of worship. It is located just south of Bornton on James Madison Highway and the subject parcels total 33.78 acres. It is split-zone agriculture and rural residential and the designated land use is rural. In rural areas chapter 8 of the county comprehensive plan calls for the protection of environmental cultural and visual resources along an open space and scenic beauty. The use must be found compatible in scale and intensity and not pose any harm to the public health safety and welfare. The bridge is surrounded by agricultural and residential zoning and Trinity Baptist Church is located across the highway. The bridge also owns two adjacent residential parcels and there's an open space conservation easement west of the church parcel. Back in 2010 the bridge received BZA approval of a special permit permitting a 18,900 square foot church. Then the project was put on hold and ever constructed due to changes in church leadership. In 2015, the church received approval of a new special permit with slightly more parking and then another special permit and two amendments were approved in 2018. The requested category 13 special exception would allow the applicant to expand the existing church building by 7,800 square feet to total of approximately 28,000 square feet. This would be achieved by adding a 39-foot wide addition to the southern portion of the building here and a 34.5 foot addition to the north. The applicant is also proposing a portrait chair on the eastern face, which as we discussed this morning would allow people to be dropped off in cars under a covered area. This additional space would increase the seating capacity from 394 to a potential 499 and would increase the children's classroom and use spaces to allow for 160 people. This proposed expanded ministry center building would allow for the existing free Sunday services at 830, 1015 and noon for it combines total Sunday attendance of 1,875. In addition to Sunday services, the applicant is requesting children and youth activities twice a week, regular adult activities such as a men's breakfast or women's brunch, one time a week, and worship to practice once a week. Special events like weddings, funerals, and banquets would be held as needed, typically no more than once a week. The applicant has indicated that when special services are held for Christmas or Easter, which are typically very well attended, then no activities, no other activities are held these weeks. The applicant is also proposing a new barn style multi-purpose building for maintenance storage and overflow activities. Based on data from the septic report, this building would have up to four ground skippers and maintenance personnel no more than four days per week and not on Sundays. Other instruction training events and other overflow activities would have a maximum of attendance of 150 persons per day or 450 people per week. To accommodate current and future growth, the church is proposing 148 additional parking spaces to bring the new total to 333 for both the existing building and new proposed borne building. They believe that the proposed circulation would create multiple routes for parking and it would remove the current dead end parking bays. Additionally, the church is proposing to shift the existing entrance of the property to the north slightly so that it can raise an elevation and improve site distances for vehicles exiting the property. They are proposing septic expansions and improvements onto the existing ministry center building system and new system is proposed for the barn building. The stormwater management of the site would need to be updated to account for the additional impervious. When making a recommendation to the board, the planning commission should consider several aspects of the application we went in depth in these this morning. That would include the data presented in the wastewater characterization reports, the number of attendees and the discrepancies, the V. Concerns and the re-review that they want to do and then the discussion, other discussion at length that we had this morning. The property is surrounded by agricultural and residential properties. The commission should evaluate if the proposed intensity of the expansion is as well as the scale in the design of the structures is compatible with the surrounding properties. It should be noted that with their previous approvals of the special permits, the board of zoning appeals determine that the use at its previous scale and intensity was consistent with the comprehensive plan. The included conditions for your consideration restrict the application to what has been submitted by the applicant based on the provided materials. The proposed expansion is limited to what is shown on the plan. The buildings would only be used for activities allowable under the major place of worship designation. The main ministry center building is limited to the square footed that's shown on the plan. And it would allow for 2440 visitors per week total based on the data provided in the waste water characterization report. The multi-purpose barn building would need to be barn-like in style and would be limited to one story with an open loft. Any changes to the main driveway would need to meet B dot standards. The applicant would also verify the lengths of the existing turn lane and the turn lane down the street, where many church members make a U turn to travel northbound on the highway. The Ministry Center subject field would need to be expanded and improved, and any reserve areas would need to also account for the new square footages. Additionally, the parking would be limited to the area shown on the plan and they would provide parking attendants with any activity 250 attendees or more or on Sunday services which they already do. Buffering and screening would be required per the zoning ordinance, the included language states that the parking and circulation areas behind the church would use fast growing ever green 15 feet on center within mix of heights. Staff has recommended lighting conditions consistent with the last special permit. I mentioned that the subject systems would be expanded and improved, and then emergency access would be maintained in the church much demonstrate adequate water for firefighting purposes. A site plan will be required. We received letters of comment from a nearby property owner, and I wanted to add a clarification from this morning's discussion. The cardboard structure was not shown in the existing social permit. It was apparently approved on a site plan that has since expired. And Commissioner Roman, you would ask for a type of scale on the project. A comparison could be battlefield Baptist church as you had east out of Washington on 29. That is about 38,000 square feet and then they have a 7,000 square foot metal building behind it. Thank you. I'm happy to answer any other questions. Commissioner, any questions? Just to have at this point. Thank you. Open as public hearing is apt, can present, please come forward. Welcome, sir. Thank you. My name is Dr. Greg Hackett. I'm the re-pastor of the bridge community church. Ironically, today is the 20 year anniversary when we had our first service. So 20 years later, here we are. But in speaking to this on a couple of items, obviously we're here because of meeting the needs of the citizens of Faulkier County. We estimate 90% of the people who attend our church are based in Faulkier. I think one of the reasons that they attend is because of the ability or our mission statement is to connect people to God, one another in the marketplace. So it's not just enough to attend but to actually do something in our community. And so they fulfill a lot of a variety of roles but just even this past year we provide provided 2,500 pounds of food for the Falkier Food Bank. We support a number of agencies locally, financially every month, family shelter, warranted pregnancy. We're part of the Firewood Ministry that helps people who need firewood during the winter. Falkier Fish Contact that is we provided 75 backpacks. Social services, transitional housing, asked for help. We provided 110 Christmases for 110 kids this past year. We also have the canteen unit which goes out and services the first responders in last year, they serviced over 1,192 first responders and touched 7,607 one citizens in their crisis. We also had, went down to the North Carolina during that crisis to help out to the degree that we could. A lot of people locally were giving resources, and so we were able to be a conduit to get that down there. But I think that's one of the reasons people connect and participate in what we're doing. Addressing a couple things, I know the entrance exit is a challenge. I will say this, we're there at that exists by default. We've tried everything. We've approached all the agencies that we know to approach. And everybody has criteria. And we just can't get them all on the same page. And so we look at this and the ability to move at 17 feet, I believe, to the north does take it up towards where the crest hides that dip. And I believe the engineering will show that it actually improves the sight distance. Secondly we always have parking attendance out when the attendance is known to be big. We also hire local law enforcement when we know there's going to be high volume and they're used and we just let you know we pay for that. They sit out front with their lights and we call it traffic calming because people see the lights they'll slow down so anytime Sundays right now it's all every time we have a Sunday service and also on Wednesday night but and I believe the structures regarding the barn the garage has always been in existence when even when we bought that. I think we repainted it, and somebody may have thought that was new because we repainted it, but the garage is always being there. And then the car port was a part of a permitted site plan. We may have aired on that, and if we did, we'll take responsibility for that. I'm not going to whitewash that. I thought we did it the right way. But anyway, we put the extensions on the building because it keeps it inside the current landscape buffer. All that development is inside as well as I believe 40 to 45 parking spaces are inside that current landscape buffer that exists around the building. So we sat down and tried to say what's the best way to do this without being just erupted. And then of course the multipurpose barn will be a barn design to fit the landscape. Thank you. Thank you. Please sign in. Is there anyone else that would like to speak to this application? Please come forward. Welcome. Welcome. Please give them the summative. Thank you. Are they photos it's already in our package? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Well, good evening. Welcome. Mr. Chairman and the committee. The commission. I am Catherine Schuyling, a concerned resident of Spring Valley, Marshall District, directly affected by the applicant's planned major land use expansion. After consulting with the counties zoning department to determine that the rural character and open space of the neighboring properties would remain unaltered due to R.A. zoning land use protections. My husband and I bought our law and built for ever at home in 1999. While we were a neighboring view shed parcel directly in line of site from that one's parcel, unfortunately we're not included in the counties hearing mail notification for the applicants plan to build a contemporary style box building that was incompatible with the surrounding rural building style. When the applicants main building was completed, our rural space quality of life enjoyment was profoundly harmed. As a result, our home's curb appeal from the moment you drive a far drive rate was desecrated. And our real estate appraisal view value was negatively affected. Please reference photo handout pages 1 and 2. The applicant is now back to reclust approval for a substantial expansion after the applicant when asked by the BCA chair in 2018 if the applicant would be back for more parking approval. The applicant answered no. While the applicants want is to grow their building footprint to align with current attendance and projected growth, to most likely include the Atomic Ministry Network needs, serving Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia, beyond the initial approved use, this planned land use expansion is not consistent with the comprehensive plan's actions. For our AZone land, when one takes into account the totality of a scope and intensity of the current and future planned use, contrast the applicant's current and projected footprint to Trinity Baptist Church's footprint across the road. Please reference vote in number three, I'm sorry, page number three. A further concern, the applicant has proven that the county will need to verify zoning ordinance and special exception conditions compliance. For example, it took bringing the lack of completed landscape screening, sorry screening, to the BZA's attention in 2018 to get the applicant to work towards fulfilling the original landscaping condition. The applicants rep, when asked why the landscaping had not been completed, replied that the landscape screening condition was not fulfilled due to safety concerns in crime prevention. Additionally, and I'm not sure where we are with the permit for the large building, that is a concern as well. In closing, if this application were up for a vote tonight, I would have asked that the Commission denied approval due to the plan further springs valley, rural character, and open space obliteration. Sony compliance concerns discussed in earlier comments I've provided. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Please sign in. Next speaker, please. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen of the commission. I'm Gar Shulin from the Marshall District, and my wife and I are here to address tonight this major RA zone expansion should not be approved by the Planning Commission. It says that it is entirely in congruent with the Falker County comprehensive plans, vision goals, objectives and actions for rural open space and quality of life and rural R.A. special exception. Use impacts. We provided those detailed comments and cited the sections, the goals and the objective reference numbers in that. So I'm not going to go beyond that in the comprehensive plan. We have all those notes and comments. While we've reviewed this project's sense of inception, costing and wasting our lives of precious hundreds of hours over the years, analyzing what can be most kindly described as deliberately vague language, obfuscations, omissions of specific specifications, dimensions, and other associated data, all of it less than transparent applicant proposals lacking clarity and specificity, not to mention the impact of the county staff, the hours and the taxpayer, dollars that cost to review these repeated, incorrect, and incomplete packages, by this corporate applicant,iring countless revisions and corrections. I think we're on revision five now on this particular evolution, but it appears that from what we know for the present expansion that there's a 67% increase in the building footprint, 84% increase in parking spaces, 53% increase in weekly personnel use and associated traffic with an additional 11 to 1400 people for Christmas Eve and Easter. We could events. Inadequate landscaping is continued to plague us. We stare at this every day. The Congress, they get to go home to their beautiful homes and their lots and they live in their peaceful tranquility. We're stuck with the very real human cost of staring at this urban blight, which consumes our field of view in our backyard. Holy unacceptable. And yet it's happened. We're also concerned about the contour of the fish bowl, noise amplification from events. events, increased ground water use is a big concern, sewage is a big concern. I believe that these impacts, not to mention the lighting and the entrance on to 29, and their access of additional parcels and ever expanding needs to meet an ever expanding project. We are concerned about the water, and I have yet to see a convincing hydrological study that reassure me that our wells and my over a dozen neighbors aren't going to run dry by this, what is amounts to when you add in all the thousand vehicle mile trips, thousands of personnel accessing this, not just daily but weekly and monthly and an entire year. You're looking at the equivalent of a major subdivision in our backyard. So we're very much concerned about those types of issues. I think that they've all been grossly underestimated. And we did tune into this morning's meeting, the agenda meeting by computer. And we fully support all the questions that you raised. I think there were excellent questions regarding this application. We're intimately familiar with those concerns and we hope that you will pursue all those details. Certainly. You're happy to meet you. Okay. You got a time. Yes. We implore you to deny this application and I'll leave my comments. Certainly. You're at your, you're at your, you're at your time. Yes, we, we implore you to deny this application, and I'll leave my comments. Oh, thank you. Please sign in. Is there anyone else like to speak to this application? Please come forward. Welcome, sir. Good evening, Darren Smith with Carter, and I'm the applicants engineer. One thing that we want to mention is, We'd like to work with staff a little bit and request up to a 90 day post-pollument of this to make sure that we can get everything done. We're hoping we can get done sooner than that, but we just want to make sure we have everything in order and bring back everything in order for you. So we just like to make that request as well. All right. Thank you. Please sign in. Is there anyone else like to speak to this application? Please come forward. Would you like to leave the public hearing open? Sure. Yes. We will leave this public hearing open. And would you like to make a motion on anything? I move to leave the public here. Okay. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second. I have a motion of a second. And can we clarify for it's up to 90 days at the applicants request? Up to 90 days. You okay with up to 90 days? Yes. At the applicants request. At the applicants request. Thank you. Thank you. motion is second for up to 90 the deferral on this at the applicant request have a motion of second all in favor please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Anya. Thank you. So I have a motion to second floor up to 90. The deferral on this at the after commission request. I have a motion to second all in favor please sign up saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? So granted. Mr. Chairman. And before we move on can we go back and revisit the motion on the new Baltimore Fire Hall. I believe I understand the intent but just to clarify I'm assuming we are referencing the recommendation with the amended conditions, which has six employees and then would strike out that related to outdoor storage. Not everybody has seen those? Okay. So we can share them quickly or read them into them. I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman, I thought that was the motion. It is, It is the motion, even with the admitted conditions. Yes. Okay. Yes. It would mean six employees and then it removes the outdoor storage. Thank you for that clarity. Thank you. Thank you. Does another motion need to be made with regard to that? For clarity, it would not be a bad idea because I think that when it was made, it wasn't specified that there could be changes. We will go back through that motion then. Okay. Would you like to make that motion? Please. Here. Mr. Chairman and fellow commissioners, I'd like to make a motion to recommend the approval of special exception SPEX 23-019905 New Baltimore Fire Hall with all included potential conditions. I'm amended. Amended potential conditions. Yes? Good. Do I have a second on that second motion the second any further discussion? Hearing none all those in favor please think the five is saying aye Any opposed? No no four to one There it is thank you. Thank you. Thank you moving on to item D special exception spx-25-02382711003 we Brazil road welcome The subject property is located at 11003 weaver's bill road in the Beelton service district in Lima and the lead district It is one acre and zone rural residential with a lean use of. The applicant is requesting a category 20 special exception to allow the installation of a private individual sewage treatment system which discharges into an open ditch to replace an existing failed drain field. The surrounding properties are zone row residential and agriculture and residential and agricultural uses. The home was built in 1960 and has been fully renovated over the past five years. The property currently has a conventional septic system installed in the 1980s that has since failed. The Virginia Department of Health issued an intent to deny a permit for a conventional replacement system as there was found to be an insufficient area of suitable soils for a new drain field. Although located within the Beelton Service District, the public sewer connection does not extend to Wheeler's Bell Road. The proposed system has a treatment capacity of 450 gallons per day, meeting the requirement for a three-bedroom home. The system will be equipped with treatment system alarms and remote telemetry for communication with the service provider, as well as event counters and flow meters to ensure the system remains in compliance with this chart limitations. The system will all required formal startup testing during the first six months of operation and ongoing compliance testing thereafter. The property owner will enter into a maintenance and monitoring agreement with a licensed contractor, operator. The applicant has stated that the installation will result in improved groundwater quality and allow the continuation of the existing residential use. The quality of the effluent released into the environment will be comparable to that of recreational waters. The effluent exit the home to a new 1000 gallon septic holding tank for settling, then pass through an aerobic treatment unit for initial treatment and filtering, and then a UV treatment disinfection unit to eradicate all bacteria. A pump line will move the treated effluent across the property to a chamber where it will be released into a 265-foot engineered discharge-discharge ditch, which extends up to a natural soil at the property line. The applicant has stated that it is unlikely the treated water will ever exit the property given the length of the proposed discharge ditch. The included conditions require that the system will be designed to discharge an average flow of less than or equal to 450 gallons per day, serving a maximum of three bedrooms. All existing septic tanks will be abandoned per VDH requirements. All water fixtures, including washing machines, will be connected to the new system. The operation maintenance performance and monitoring of the system will be in accordance with all regulations. Maintenance and contract will be retained at all times and a water effluent meter and remote to allow the trail alarm will be installed on the system. I'm happy to answer any questions. Any questions to staff at this point? Seeing none. Thank you. Open public hearing is the applicant present. Please come forward. Welcome, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you for your time today. I would like to say that my name is being approved. I'm with environmental systems consulting. I'm a private on-site wastewater and water consultant. Currently, the system poses a public health threat and a threat to surface waters and groundwater because it is malfunctioning. If it were available, the most desirable method to repair the system would be use a sole-based system. That is not possible in this particular case. The only alternative other than a discharging system would be to pump and haul, permanent pump and haul of sewage. In my experience, I've been in the industry 40 years now. In my experience, pump and haul is a more risky solution because that requires pump out almost every week of sewage out of point right now. Pump out, these are about $300 per pump out. Sometimes it's $450. Pump out, do not keep up with that. The alternative discharging system will treat the sewage out of point recreational standards before discharging it into a ditch and Thank you, please sign in You want to ask to speak to this application please come forward stage name Seeing none this is in Lee district. I'm like the closest hearing. I find this to be an absolute necessary remediation. And I would like to move forward to recommend approval of this special exception, SPEX 2502-827 to the Board of Supervisors. That's a second. I have a motion to second any further discussion on this matter? All in favor? All right, aye in favor I thought you have a discussion. I'm sorry any opposed So passed item E One our agenda special exception spx-25-023952 dirage LLC Welcome,. Thank you again. This is a category 29 special exception request for a property off of Courtney's Corner Road in Somarduck. The properties just over 53 acres, they're requesting to waive the public street requirement for a five lot subdivision. Property is owned, agriculture surrounding properties are also owned, agriculture and rural residential, predominantly residential and agricultural uses, all served by private wells and drain fields. The applicant's request is for a private street to serve three new residential lots and a residue, and there's a previously approved administrative division act that will also be accessed from the new private street, and there will be an easement to the stormwater management mock from the private street as well. The proposed private street is approximately 800 feet in length with a coldest sack at the end for turnaround an 18 foot wide road with one foot shoulders within a 50 foot wide easement and the road will be six inches of compacted aggregate base with two inches of stone asphalt, tar and chip or other similar surface on top. The included conditions for your consideration all very typical with other private street special exceptions that you have seen. The entrance design is constructed to meet all applicable V dot standards. The street shall serve a maximum of five residential locks in the stormwater management lot. A private street maintenance agreement shall be recorded. The private street these meant recorded for the previously approved administrative division shall be vacated prior to construction plan approval and then a construction plan and final platter be required. I'm happy to answer any questions. Any questions the staff at this point commissioners hearing none. Thank you. Opens public hearing is after the present. Please come forward. Welcome, sir. Jim Carson, of Carson, thank you, consultants. Don't have anything to add. We're working with V.O.T. right now. The entrance is, you know, it's a problematic. So we've had a couple of meetings with V.O.T. we have some ideas. But we're going to take a little time to negotiate. So we'd like to request a deferral tonight. I guess they 60 days is probably I don't get anything done in 30 days. So it's a six days. So you're requesting it's for all. Yeah. Okay. For the V dot ongoing. Okay. All right. Thank you. Any questions to the speaker? Please sign in. Anyone else like to speak of the speaker? Please sign in. Anyone else like to speak to this application? Please come forward. Seeing none, I will leave this public hearing open. If that's okay with everyone. And I would back a motion that has per the applicant's request, we postpone this to appear it up to 60 days. Second. Have a motion of second? Is there anybody else here tonight who wants to speak to the application? No, I've got, no, I asked it. I've got a misnash. Did not? You might have been a misnash. I think so. Okay. All right. Well, I'm sorry. I think I won't speak. Please get up now. Please. You might very well have. We're I thought I did. Did I miss motion? I did. Thank you so much. Yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Tim Allen. and I'm joining property owner at 13366 Shady No Lane in Somarduk. I'm in joining property owner at 13366 Shady No Lane in Somarduk. I'm expressing concern regarding a proposed ingress egress private street at the adjoining property as shown for the category 29 special exception for dirage LLC. As a staff report indicates there would be five driveways within approximately 200 feet along Courtees Corner Road. The DIP and Courtees Corner Road creates a blind spot as you approach the inner I'm sorry I should have put my glasses on. Approach this location. We've had numerous new messes over the 25 plus years we've lived there as well as other neighbors with cars often almost rear ending us turning into our driveway. Even though the posted speed limit of Courtney's corner rated 45 miles per hour, there are a few that obey it. On page 12 of the staff report, V.Dots have shared access through Shady No Lane should be pursued. We have discussed this issue with the other owners of Shady No Lane and we all are opposed to this option. We are aware of the proposed future development activity that will be relatively close to our joining properties. However, we are requesting consideration to be given on these safety concerns. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Please sign in. That's rare occurrence that I open it back up after I have done that. But my motion still stands and I have a second on that. Any further discussion on the matter? All those in favor please say goodbye. I'm saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? The application is postponed for up to 60 days. Item F, special exception, SPEX-25-023962, Ben Hill self-storage. Welcome. Thank you. The subject properties are located at the corner of Kennedy Road and Edmore Court in Bent Hill, approximately four tenths of a mile south of the intersection of Kennedy Road and Bent Hill Road, within the New York Baltimore Service District. They totaled just over 7.8 acres and are on planned PCID in an area of Bent Hill designed for commercial and industrial development. The applicant is seeking approval of a special exception to allow construction of an indoor self-storage facility in excess of 50,000 square feet in the PCID district. The surrounding properties are zone PCID and agriculture and have commercial and industrial or agricultural uses. The associated property is subject to the Proper's Encoded Development Associ associated with the Vint Hill Village Resonning Amendment approved in 2018. The Vint Hill Conservancy has reviewed the proposal and is provided a letter of support. Last year, the Board of Supervisors approved a Zoning Ordnance Text Amendment requiring special exception approval for any new structure or group of structures, serving the same enterprise for the aggregate footprint exceeding 50,000 square feet in the PCID district. The purpose of this special exception is to evaluate larger scale proposals prior to development and if deemed appropriate require conditions to minimize impact on surrounding properties. The proposed indoor self storage facility has an aggregate footprint of just over 107,000 square feet. The total of six buildings include a 31,300 square foot building, which is number one on the plan, housing the business office and climate controlled indoor storage units and an adjacent 5400 square foot overhead canopy. And as well as five additional buildings housing exterior access units, which range inside from 3600 square feet to over 36,000 square feet. Access to the property will be from the Edmore Court, from Edmore Court via two gated entrances with a gated store-mortem management access on the north side of the property. Perimeter landscaping will be provided in accordance with zoning ordinance requirements. The applicant estimates the business will consist of two employees and serve an average of 20 customers per day. The proposed office hours of operation are Monday to Friday from 10 to 6 and Saturday from 10 to 5 for customer rentals and limited retail sales of packing materials. Customers will have 24-7 access to the building, gated area, and individual units via touchpad code or electronic key card. The we have estimated 44 vehicle trips per day, including employees, customers, and delivery vehicles. In lieu of the existing store-mater management, easement on the lot, a new easement will be dedicated to provide access to the store-motor management lot to the north. According to the applicant, the largest proposed building, which is approximately 36,540 square feet, is scaled to accommodate larger storage items for tradesmen and other such users. However, the zoning ordinance limits self-storage to personal property and household goods only. Accordingly, staff is included a condition limiting storage to these types of goods and prohibiting indoor or outdoor storage of RVs and motorized vehicles or equipment, which is not an approved use in the PCID district. The Planning Commission may choose to recommend additional conditions related to the size of this proposed building as it canes necessary. Also, the main building housing the business office at the Southwest corner is intended to simulate a 20-foot tall office building with double-story-class storefronts. Given the height and size of the windows interior lighting may impact neighboring property owners in the county's dark sky objectives. Staff has included conditions for your consideration requiring a blazing on the upper-story windows to prevent light pollution and limiting visible interior lighting to the proposed hours of operation. Other recommendation, recommended conditions include that units will be limited to the storage of personal property as discussed. Office hours of operation will be limited to those requested by the applicant. Interior lighting visible from the windows, fronting Kennedy Road and Edmore Court will be limited to the office hours, and the upper story windows will have a plating to prevent light pollution. Gates will be designed and located so that traffic can enter an exit without stopping and Edmore Court. And emergency vehicle access will be maintained at all times and emergency access boxes will be installed on all gated entrances. I'm happy to answer any questions. Any questions to staff at this point? Thank you. Open his public hearing. He's the applicant president. Please come forward. Welcome. Welcome sir. Please state your name. Matthew. Hello. Yes sir. I don't really have anything to add. Excellent. You have any questions for me? Thanks. No questions? No sir. Thank you. Please sign in. Is there anyone else that would like to speak to this application? Please come forward. Welcome ma'am. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Susan Helender. I am the Managing Agent for the Vintail Conservancy. And I am here also to speak on behalf of the Conservancy Board of Directors, our owners, and commercial businesses that we are in full support of this application. You do have a better promise. All right. Thank you. Please sign in. Is there anyone else like to speak to this application? Please come forward. Seeing none, would you like to close this public area? Yes, sir, please. I close this public area. Okay, thank you. I would like to recommend that we recommend to the board of supervisors that this be approved. I do want to ask for one revision and I need staff help with that to increase the landscaping along the Edmore Court side of this. And I to make it more like what's on Kennedy. I just look at the canopy trees. That's what it is. The canopy. Thank you. So, is that clear? You would like street trees aligned along Edmore Court on the side of the... Typically, there are 50 foot-uns along the roadway. Is that this efficient distance? So, particularly a tree is planted one every 50 feet. It will be a public street, but this is a private street. So that was not required by site plan, but again the board can and the plan goes to make recommendation for additional landscaping. So one tree per 50 feet of roadway. If that's what I mean, I'm looking for help on this. What they what they showed us for on Kennedy Road or Street whatever it is looked good but it looks much more spare on that more. So what I'm asking for is that the staff craft it so that it is so did they they showed a full front landscape buffer along? Yeah, so that would be what the condition would need to be in front yard landscape buffer. Ms. Warrant, you've got that. I'd say 30 to 50 feet because 30 may be more appropriate. So again, it's different between street trees and a landscape buffer. A landscape buffer has a certain number of canopy trees, understory trees, and shrubs per every feet. And where a street trees, or just street trees planted along a public street. So if you want the Landscape Buffer, they'd be required by the amount of street furniture to provide a certain number of plantings per the ordinance. You're talking about Edmore? Yes. Well, again, Ken D right now they are meeting that. Okay. So it would be the same buffer yard along Edmore Court. It seems that you all would like. That's what I'm asking for is the same landscaping requirements on Edmore as we have, as they're showing on Kennedy. Okay. Thank you. And with that. I see. your motion. That's the motion. Okay. Have a motion. That's the motion. Okay. Have a motion. Do I have a second on that? So moved. Any further discussion on this matter? Hearing none, all those in favor please sign up up and saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? So be. Is there any other business to come before this commission this evening? Hearing none, ladies and gentlemen, we are adjourned.