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I believe it's just to provide the United States and America to the revival of our We just stand one nation under God in the visible with the routine justice for all of them. All right. Thank you, everyone. I'm going to go ahead and ask for your questions. I'm going to go ahead and ask for your questions. I'm going to go ahead and ask for your questions. I'm going to go ahead and ask for your questions. I'm going to go ahead and ask for your questions. I'm going to go ahead and ask for your questions. I'm going to go ahead and ask for your questions. I'm going to go ahead and ask for your questions. I'm going to go ahead and ask for your questions. All right, any discussion? Let's go ahead and vote. Vote unanimous. Supervisor Gordy absent from meeting and subsequent votes. All right. Thank you. So for agenda item number four, I have a request. We're going to break it up. We're going to do four A through four E and then four F and four G. I also want to note for four G. The people who are going to be receiving that proclamation will be here for the evening session. And I also want to note that we're going to have a little flexibility today because for A, the Freedom High School Eagles varsity girls basketball team, we are waiting for some of the students, more of the students to come. All right, with that said, I'd like to get a motion for 4A 3 4E. So move, man, chair. Sit. We are waiting for some of the students, more of the students to come. All right, with that said, I'd like to get a motion for 4A 3 4E. So move Madam Chair. So. All right. Any discussion? It was my second. I'm very sorry. Oh, here's the time. Thank you. Vote unanimous. All right, and then we're going to do 4F and 4G. So move Madam Chair. Second. All right. Thank you for them. I'm sorry. I think we're doing this together. Four F and G were doing this together. together. B and B. Uh-huh. Okay. We have the basketball team here. All right, I just want to make sure all right so we might as well do that. So, we might as well do that. So, we might as well do that. So, we might as well do that. So, we might as well do that. So, we might as well do that. So, we might as well do that. So, we might as well do that. So, we might as well do that. So, we might as well do that. All right. I want to say a four B. All right. 4B, all right. That's the proclaim April 2025. Child abuse prevention month. Children are precious and deserve to grow up in a safe, nurturing environment free from abuse neglect. But sadly, we know that this is not always the case. Children abuse neglect have devastating and long lasting consequences for individuals, families, and communities. For children who survived abuse, the scars often linger, impacting their physical and mental health, development, and while being throughout their life. In fiscal year 2024, nearly 2,500 cases of suspected child abuse and neglect were reported in Prince William County. Prince William County is committed to supporting families through programs that prevent child abuse and neglect, including partnerships between families and child welfare professionals, community organizations, and law enforcement agencies. Therefore, the principal and board of county supervisors, hereby proclaims April 2025, its child abuse prevention month. Do you have any words for us? I do. Thank you. Good afternoon Madam Chair and members of the Board. Phyllis Cheney's whole Director of Social Services. Today I have with me our Holly Handier Acting Deputy Director, Laurie Wilson, the Chair of the Advisory Board, Clarice Torian, part of our DSS advisory board, and then I have members of the Child Advocacy Center with me today. And if they could wave their hands, they're very shy. I have Client Portis, who is the Human Services Program Manager, Rebecca Wagner, Karen McCurk, Dahlia Beckney, Laura Thomas, and Marilyn Mizino-Dislah. And I have our intern with us as well from George Mason. Prince William County Department of Social Services is honored to accept this proclamation recognizing April's child abuse prevention month. This proclamation not only acknowledges the importance of preventing child abuse, but it highlights the commitment to protect children, strengthening families, and building safe nurturing communities. Each child deserves to grow up feeling safe, supporting, and loved. And the Child Advocates Center, along with the Prevention Assessment team and many other DSS staff work together with caregivers, educators, advocates, and community members to create a community where our children can thrive and be free of harm. Blue is the color chosen because it symbolizes hope, healing, and awareness for children and families affected by abuse. DSS staff will be wearing blue every Friday throughout the month of April, and we ask everyone to join us in doing so. A tradition began in 1989 when a Virginia grandmother named Bonnie Finney tied a blue ribbon to the antenna of her car to honor her grandson, who died tragically as a result of abuse. She chose Blue to represent the bruises on his body, and as a reminder of the seriousness of child abuse which started the Blue Ribbon campaign. Today, I leave with each of you a Blue Ribbon with a pen, attached that symbolizes prevention and the work of our CAC. We thank you for your continued support and the work that we do for maybe you're going to come down. Come on. Come on. We are here. Come on. You know we are here. you a little bit closer. I'm going to get you a little bit closer. Okay, I'm going to get you a little bit closer. Okay, everybody get to see the lens. Okay, I got everybody. Yeah, I love this. We have item 4C. And I think that, are you filling in for a supervisor? Gordy? Supervisor Gordy is unable to be here. So we have Supervisor Angry who has also served And everyone associate this if you can come up. So do we have any military children? And it doesn't matter. If your parents serve, then you are a military child. So you can be 40, 50, it doesn't matter. So if you'd like to join me or military child, please come on down front here. If not, we actually will present this at a later time. Oh, we hear people. All right. Well, if you feel the need, feel the vote. All right. I'll let you read this. All right. Thank you. All right. We're proclaiming, we're proclaiming April 2025 as the month of the military child. This is sponsored by a supervisor, Gordy. The month of the military child aims to acknowledge and honor the resilience and strength of military children who often face frequent moves, family separations, and other unique experiences due to their parents' service. The month of the military child is an opportunity to remember children's roles and strengthening the military family and to recognize the unique challenges military children face daily. Whether it's enduring deployments, reintegrated into new states and countries, caring for wounded warrior parents or cop, or coping with the loss of a fallen parent military children are resilient and strong, and they exemplify an amazing capacity to adapt. The Prince William Board of County Supervisor, hereby proclaims April 2025 as the month of the military child. All right. I feel like there will be a little bit do this. So she'll speak all the time. Thank you. See how you get violent, old? So my father, who is deceased, is retying Lieutenant Colonel Jesse Arnet, United States Air Force. So I'm his proud daughter. I'm his mini me. I look just like him. And for where I'm told I act like him too. I have to agree with that very stubborn. So for those of you who have served and for those of you who are family of people who have served, the job is never done. It's never done. The family is serving too. Kids serve too. Sacrifices are never singular. Sacrifice is plural. And we have to look at every person who gives and say thank you. It's not enough to say I appreciate your service if we don't treat them right every day. So don't just say I appreciate your service, give them a handshake, make sure the kids are taken care of, make sure they have food for school, make sure they have companionship because a true thank you includes action. Thank you. So I gotta say I just gotta say one thing he's not gonna like me for this but I like for Supervisor Weir to a join us in this you know that's a military child right there I know of so someone say I'm still a child. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. 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Volunteer of the cross Prince William County served the community with pride and commitment. Continuously enhancing the quality of life in Prince William County and supporting the county strategic vision to be a community of choice. Prince William County agencies including but not limited to the clerk of the circuit court libraries libraries, area of aging, fire and rescue, parks and recreation, and the Virginia Cooperative Extension Prince William thrive with volunteer participation, increasing the number of residents who are touched by quality of life services and programs. In 2024, over 2700 Prince William County volunteers gave nearly 300,000 hours in support of our programs. The value of their time is equivalent to 151 full-time staff and that equals nearly $10,000. I felt like I'm missing those zero. But okay. The print 1 board of county supervisors proclaims April 20th, the April 26th, 2025 National Volunteer Week, recognizes and thanks all of our dedicated volunteers who lend their time, talent, voice, and support to the causes they care about. Thank you. Wow. Thank you also very much. If you have a few words to share, I would appreciate it. I do. Thank you. Ms. Jefferson, thank you. Members of the board, Ms. Robo and Mr. Shorter, to continue with National Volunteer Month, which you started last week. It's my pleasure to recognize the departments who utilize volunteers and those who volunteer for them in honor of the 2025 National Volunteer Week. Volunteering helps connect communities through service. According to Serve Virginia, 67% of Virginians said that they volunteered for an organization in the past year. And that doesn't count like helping a neighbor out or other sort of passive volunteering. What motivates people to volunteer is a desire to share their skills and experience and to help others. 30% of volunteers stated they started contributing because it was an important part of their spirituality. 28% said they started giving back because they were helped in a time of need, and 49% of volunteers they pulled regularly volunteer because helping others gives them a sense of fulfillment in their lives. That motivation of our community and the strengths they bring to our programs and services is invaluable. The 2751 volunteers who served in the past year are represent multiple generations and the diversity of our community. Their distinguished veterans, teens, adults, youth, students, parents, grandparents, working and retired professionals who each share their time and expertise assisting the county and meeting their performance goals and your strategic goals. Thank you to the 860 volunteers who support the safe and secure community quad including Fire and Rescue System, Office of Criminal Justice Services, Clerk of the Circuit Court, Adult Detention Center, the Police Department, and Animal Control, and the Sheriff's Office. And then the 1777 volunteers who support health well-being, environmental and environmental sustainability quadrant, like the libraries, Area Agency on Aging, Parks and Recreation, Historic Preservation, Social Services, the Health Department, and Virginia Cooperative Extension. The 294,624 hours of volunteer time they've given in the past year is the equivalent of the 151 full-time staff. And it's important to note here right at budget time, that's almost $10 million. That is saved towards service in the community. Volunteering connects communities. It creates a sense of purpose where people build new skills, develop confidence, reduce stress, improve mental health, build community, boost happiness, and those volunteers make a significant difference in the lives of individuals and families in the community. I'd like to thank Lori, Gray, and Risk for helping compile the volunteer data. And then today we have volunteer coordinators and volunteers representing Fire and Rescue, the libraries, Office of Criminal Justice Services, the Medical Reserve Corps, master gardeners, 4-H youth development leaders, and 4-H youth. And the libraries, did I and the libraries. Let me say the libraries, I did. So we're grateful to our volunteers who choose to invest their time back into Prince William County and we thank you. So we're gonna have to step outside, because this is a big old group. So we're gonna have to step outside, because this is a big old group I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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I don't know. here anything about oh by the way I can't find anything about the parts that are yeah you got that Oh, by the way, I can't find anything about the hard scans. Yeah, you got that. All right, good to see you. All right, you need it. Okay, you want to write a little message in there? Next one? Yeah, okay. We'll do it. Thank you. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Madam Chair, I think our basketball team has arrived. The basketball team has arrived, we will go back and do them. We're here. later. Why? What's in the bag congratulate Freedom High School's outstanding season season led by coach Alexis Lloyd, who made a strong debut in her first year as coach. The Eagles had a 10-game winning streak, claimed the number one C for the Cardinal District playoffs and won several accolades including Senior Starters Lonnie Johnson, Lana Johnson and Savannah Price were named first team all conference for the Cardinal District. Lonnie Johnson was also named Cardinal District Player of the Year, and Coach Loy was named the Cardinal District Coach of the Year. Congratulations again, and today the Prince William County Board of Supervisors commends the Freedom High School Eagles varsity basketball team for their incredible basketball season and their outstanding contributions to Prince William County. Now before I let the coach speak who didn't know she was speaking, I brought Supervisor Vega and Supervisor Angry down here because before I met Coach Louis, can we stand right here? stand right here. I got a phone call from Supervisor Angry down here because before I met Coach Lloyd, can we stand right here? Yes. I got a phone call from Supervisor Angry who said, hey, you know, there's this new basketball coach at Freedom High School and, you know, they're looking for sponsorships. So I said, well, you know, Freedom is my district, Vic Stepaway. And so, he introduced us, we met and myself, Supervisor Angry and Supervisor Vega all helped to sponsor the basketball wear, their shoes, uniforms, and things of that nature. And it was all because she was bold enough to ask. So with that, congratulations, Coach Lloyd. I want you to say a few words. Lonnie Johnson. I want you to raise your hand player of the year. Woohoo! And please. I just want to thank everyone for recognizing us. It was our first year and she was right. I was bugging everybody. I sent about 50 emails out. I think Vega was first. And then I met Mr. Angry just happened to be doing one of his events at my flag global practice and I bumped into him. I didn't that worked out. And the next you know, Mr. Franklin was next. So I was very grateful for them to cover all the stuff we needed for our season and definitely appreciate y'all recognizing us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you all and congratulations. Thank you. How long have we got to go? Oh, we'll go for it. Sorry. 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All right we're going on to 4F and that is National Education and Sharing Day, Rabbi. the basis for the continuity of any society's education and in Prince William County, the education of our youth is a priority. Education in sharing day is a day established by Congress in the 1970s, an honor of the rabbi, rabbi, mecham, mecham,el Schmierson. Education and sharing day is observed each year on the rabbi's birthday, and recognition of his outstanding and lasting contributions to the improvement of education, morality, and acts of charity around the world. And it is a day to pause and reflect on our responsibility to ensure that our youth have the foundation necessary to lead lives rich in purpose and fulfillment through service and good works. April 9, 2025, will mark 123 years since the Rebby's birth. And this year marks the 75th anniversary of his leadership of the Havad Lovovitch movement. Today, the Prince William Board of County Civil Advisors hereby proclaims that April 9, 2025 will be recognized as Education and Sharing Day in Prince William County and calls upon government officials, educators, volunteers, and citizens to reach out to those within our community and work to create a better, brighter and more hopeful, hopeful future for us all. Would you like to say a few words? So thank you, Chair, for really leading the efforts on this, and it's always great to be back and see the supervisors. This year, April 9th, our county is joining with this proclamation, our Congress the National Congress, states around the U.S., as well as counties and locales throughout the country, recognizing the life and legacy of the Lobabatura Rebbe, and as well as education sharing the USA. To understand a little bit the connection, I wanted to share a bit about the Rebbe's life. The Rebbe was born in Ukraine, right World War I. He experienced this father was the chief rabbi of the local community in De Nepur and he experienced the programs. He saw the effects of the, I wouldn't say the explosion of Jews during World War I. and unfortunately was in Europe during the rise. He was in Germany during the rise of the Nazis, and he was in France during the invasion of the Nazis into France, and he was on one of the last boats to come into America. And five years after World War II, is when he took on the leadership in 1950 to lead the, into the Chabad movement in New York. And he little dedicated his life to uplift the Jewish community from all that, though she saw. And being a student that studied in the Berlin University and as well as a subordinate France, he saw firsthand how societies could be great at education, but still have big parts of their societies to be susceptible to negative influence. And one of the things when he came to America, which he put a big emphasis on as a result, was the importance not just to educate information and give our children the tools of how to be successful, but teach them the importance of life, values, and morals. And in our education, if we failed to do that, we could have very wise and talented scientists but they could use all that information for the wrong things. And unfortunately, he saw that first hand throughout his, throughout his childhood and early adulthood. So one of the big things, for example, which the rabbi advocated for, and many states, and even recently, I believe Kentucky and others just adopted that as in Virginia, we have that already is the moment, the silence at the beginning of every day in our school system. And that's a great opportunity, not just to start our day off on some quiet, but for parents to be involved in education and teach our children what I think they're in that time. And inspire our children to start up our day with a reflection of life, you know, Passover's coming up. And one of the midst of one of the big items on Passo, when I think we have, we'll give Virginia to give everyone a box of MOTSA. you know, Passover is coming up. And one of the midst of one of the big items on Passover, and I think we have, we'll give Virginia to give everyone a box of Mata. It's an unleavened bread. And a big idea symbolism of Passover, why we eat this unleavened bread is because in life, we're usually the whole year around, we're building up our confidence, like the leavened bread that's rising. We build up our confidence, We want to be independent, we want to be proud. But unfortunately in that process it's very easy to lose, are you milling and air- like the 11 bread that's rising, we build up our confidence, we want to be independent, we want to be proud. But unfortunately in that process it's very easy to lose, our humility and arrogance is very easily to set up, very easily settles in. So once a year on Passover, at the time of the birth of the Jewish people at our premise, we want to be humble, and we want to make sure there's no arrogance seeping in. So in our education of our youth as well realizing that yes we're all independent individuals which are great talents, we're also part of a society and we're all part of something great in. So in our education of our youth as well realizing that yes we're all independent individuals which great talents, we're also part of a society and we're all part of something greater than us. There's whatever being you want to give it, there's something greater than us that connects us all. So during that moment of silence if we can educate and make sure that our children are getting that idea to think about, before we start a day think about reflect on what unites us all, what connects us all and then when we then do grow and become our own individuals, we can do that in a way which is not inhibits on anyone else, but in the way that uplifts everyone around us. And that at the core is the basis, hopefully, which we can share. Whether you're a teacher yourself, you probably have people in your society, which you can educate to uplift others around us so that when we're successful, everyone is successful with that as well. So with Passover coming up, happy Passover to everyone. And thank you again. Thank you. uplift others around us so that when we're successful everyone is successful with that as well. So with Passover coming up happy Passover to everyone and thank you again. And we have Laudet. I don't know where you joined us for this one. Supervisor, angry. I mean, why not? You've been down here like today. All right. All right. All right. This is item 4g. That's the proclaim May 1, 2025 is law day. And joining me in Gordy's abstinence is Victor Angry. All right. The United States was formed on the principle of E. Plurus Unum out of many one. This principle is enshrined in the Constitution in which the founders provided for three branches of government to check one another and to prevent tyranny from any one group. And we, as a country and the county, are made stronger by a diversity of viewpoints, religions, experiences, cultures, and so much more. And 1958 President Eisenhower proclaimed law and day to honor the founders' emphasis on the rule of law when creating the Constitution. Congress later officially designated May 1st as Launday in 1961. Public education is a valuable component in unifying our community through the values of civic virtue, creating economic prosperity, and bridging our deficiency to create one educated citizen's story. In light of this, the circuit court clerk sponsors in annual Launday art contest to promote the principles that underpend our democracy. This year the thing was the Constitution's promise out of many won. The students who participate in the contest will be celebrated on May 1st at clerk, Jacqueline Smith's 5th Annual Law Day ceremony. The Prince William Bordecai UC-R-Vitech proclaims May 1st, 2025, is law day and encourages the community to observe the day by promoting law and education and fulfilling our shared civic responsibilities and commitments to the values of liberty, equality and justice that make us out of many one. Do you have any words for us? The Proclamation pretty much says it all, but we do host every year a law-date art contest in ceremony, and it's always inspiring to see the creativity of the youth in our community and to exhibit that. So with that on behalf of our office, I thank you for this proclamation and your continued support. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That was lengthy, but all right. So we are going on to the A consent agenda that's Item number five. Madam Chair. All right. Let's go. Sorry, Madam Chair. We were about to say it probably, but I just wanted to make sure. Madam Chair, before the board considers and votes on the consent agenda, I need to declare a personal interest which authorizes an agreement with the schools for county use of school buses. My wife is a school's employee. As a school's employee, my wife and I are members of a group, which is affected by this matter. I will be participating in it in this because I am able to do so fairly objectively in the public interest. Thank you Madam Chair. Madam Chair, before the board considers and votes on the consent agenda, I need to declare a personal interest in item 5J which authorizes an agreement with the schools for county use of school buses. My wife is a special education instructional aide with the schools. As a school employee, my wife and I are members of a group which is affected by this matter. I will be participating in this matter because I am able to do so fairly objectively and in the public interest. Thank you, manager. I could have saved you guys a few words, but all right, so 5J, I'm actually going to pull from the consent agenda. And that is because, well, I told you so. But we have not yet, unfortunately, Seth has not had been able to have a conversation yet with the schools. I see your hand on, I mean, we can certainly, we can discuss and if you guys wanna vote, after we go through everything else and discuss this, I think that'd be the appropriate time to do so. But the conversation has not yet been had. So he doesn't have the correct information. Supervisor Vega, did you have something? Because I see you. You ready? I just want to pull five I. Okay. Anyone else? I'm sure five I have. Or, ooh, wrong one. Anyone else going once twice? All right. So I would like a motion for 5a, 35e, and then 5g. So move. So move. Hold on. 35h. So move the roof five hold on. The roof five H. So move, man chair. Second. All right. Any discussion on these items? Let me go supervise the Franklin. You just want to point out for item five G. This item is to provide funds to serve children who require foster care and services with regards to educational needs and children who have behavioral or intellectual developmental challenges. I just came off the children services board, sorry, the children services board for the state. And so a lot of these challenges we've had to deal with, but this is kind of the Prince William County share of taking care of this issue. So I just wanted to flag that and it's pretty relevant seeing as how we're also acknowledging child abuse awareness month. Thank you. So, Revines are Bailey. Thank you Madam Chair. Just wanted to comment on 5F. 5F is the transference of the $2 million for the continual construction of the crisis receiving center. So they continue to move on. Nothing unusual about it, but just wanted to give a comment on it. Thank you Madam Chair. All right if we can take a vote on those items and then we will go back to the ones that were pulled. Vote unanimous? All right so we are going back to I believe it's 5F. Yeah, go one first supervisor we're. Thank you Madam Chair just wanted to note that my four favorite words I told you so. Mission aside the cost of the crisis receiving center is growing rapidly by millions. and I would suggest that perhaps we got in a little bit of too much of a hurry. I asked the issues about the physical plant before we bought this place and all of the my concerns at the time are now bearing, well, fruit in the form of additional have to be able to get the process to be able to get the process to be able to get the process to be able to get the process to be able to get the process to be able to get the process to be able to get the process to be able to get the process to be able to get the process to be able to get the process to be able to get the process to be able to get the process to be able to get the Any further discussion on 5F? Supervisor Vega. Thank you Madam Chair. I too share Supervisor Wears concerns. However I do know that collectively as a board we believe in the mission and the vision by which the crisis receiving center was established. However, I do think that it's appropriate for at some point for us, Mr. Shorter, to have a more in-depth conversation because we seem to have a lot of hurdles that we're constantly having to overcome. And whether this calls for more funding or not, I think that it's quickly to a certain extent getting out of our hands. We were originally presented with something, and I understand that as we go along, things are very fluid and that we have to make certain adjustments, but certainly, you know, where does it kind of end? What does the future look like? What does the timeline look like? And most importantly, what are those financial impacts going to be? And so not sure if it's something you want to talk to our chair about in terms of bringing an item for the specific item and putting on the agenda for us to discuss it because I know that we talk about it in these bits and pieces here and there and you know we ask questions but I do think that it requires specific attention from this board. I appreciate that to Vazir Vega. What I'll do is plan to bring back both for construction timeline and operational timeline for opening. I think both community services and FFM would both do well by just coming up with an update and allowing the board to hear sort of where we are on timeline. Thank you Madam Chair if I may. And if there are any changes, you know, made to what What we were promised by the state if there are any other concerns? I think the Medicaid issue has been resolved yes Yes, it has not quite been resolved we have We are still in the waiver process I see so I think anything pertaining to the crisis receiving center should be brought on that day very good Thank you So you. Supervisor Bailey. Thank you. Could I have Lisa majoring come to if you don't mind please? Lisa if you can just give us an update on this amount that's listed here today or you prepare to It will be MFM. Okay, whomever. Matt. Good afternoon board members. Matt Villarreal, Director of Facilities and Fleet Management. We are seeking $2 million to finish out on the project. This will cover we have about $1 million of site work that we need to complete. And we have about $400 or $1000 that we have to change some bathrooms and make them have a proper ratio of patients to showers. And so we have to change these bathrooms to multi use. Right now they're just regular bathrooms. Now we're going to be adding showers to them. So there's a cost of doing that. We have some other small things that are kind of add up. We have to put a site fence around the generator and around the dumpster enclosures. They're also going to be building a fence around the switch gear that leads from the generator into the building. And also couple areas where the patients can go outside but still be in a confined, or not confined, but in a space that they're not able to wander off. I'm sorry, poor choice of words, but I'm sorry. And those are the kind of things that were, there's $2 million just going to help us finish up this project. It meant just as a secondary question, will this help us to complete the project by the timeline that we've talked about? No, the timeline has been moved from June, now until reanticipating August. Okay, but that's... That's for a occupancy. And then the whole timeline for is services and things, I don't know the answer to that. But. OK, so the timeline I have is August. So that's what I'm referring to. For occupancy. For occupancy, yes. And then they have to go through a licensure process. And I believe that's two or three months, October's when they're anticipating. Yeah, that was the reason why I was asking to come just to give the board more clarity to this request. Good afternoon Madam Chair, members of the board, Lisa Maidron with the transformation management office. And I just wanted to speak to that timeline for occupancy once we get occupancy in August, then the licensing to be able to have the contractor connections operate the CRC and have our co-located CS services there can take up to 90 days. We are hoping that to be expedited and we are anticipating an opening October, the week of October 6th. And we are hopefully planning some activities that we want to check with you for ribbon cutting in September. We will be getting those dates finalized. Okay. And then if I may, Madam Chair, the last question I have is this morning, Glenn, our legislative liaison, Glenn Loop mentioned the two bills that were to be passed for the approval for the youth portion was passed If I'm not mistaken if you could just update us on that in terms of the Demast approval for the youth portion of the CRC so the the bills that were passed allowed The crisis services to operate in an IMD in an institute for mental disorders. That was what was complicated and needed the General Assembly to pass that for DMS to be able to work that through, so we could have the 23 hours operate there. And to allow DMS to pursue the waiver through CMS. That is what we are waiting on. That application has been sent by DMS to CMS. And CMS needs to review and approve it. Once they approve it, then we can have Medicaid reimbursement for youth services and adult. Until they approve that, we can operate the youth services and adults, but that gap from Medicaid reimbursement is what we're coming to you in the state for until the waiver has been approved. All right. So for fine-off, I don't see anyone else in the queue. It's been properly moved and seconded. Let's go ahead and take a vote. Vote unanimous. Supervisor, we are abstaining from vote. All right, we're going to move on to five I actually we. Madam chair. Yes. So I just want to make sure Supervisor Vega was that sufficient or are you looking for additional? No. Okay we'll come back. We need specifics on what that gap looks like and for how long. We'll come back. Thank you. All right we are going to go go on to 5i. Actually, Would like to have the discussion inside of emotion. So let's get emotion in a second. Then I'll go to supervisor Vega. So move on chair. Second. supervisor Vega. Thank you, Madam Chair. Not here if not sure if Glenn or Nikki is here for the question that I have or if anybody else is prepared to answer. It could be very quick depending on the answer that I get. Glenn is not here, Nikki, probably listening, happy to take the question if I can. All right, but I don't think you will be able to answer it. Just curious, it's a procedural question more than anything. I understand that this item was vetoed by the governor based on an email that Glenn sent to us on 325 and I'm just curious if anything changed because I did try to get answers to my questions and I made some phone calls and it was my understanding that in order for an item that has been vetoed by the governor it is required that it gets a two-third of the vote in the General Assembly to overturn it. And again based on the information that that I got coming from Richmond, that did not happen. So I'm curious, one if that's true. If it is, why is this item on the agenda if no action was taken in Richmond? You're right. We will. Please. Mayor. Yes. Fine. All right. All right. I'll get to the rescue. Thank you. Good afternoon, Madam Chair. Board members, all right. Is it Johnson, Deputy County's Executive? Supervisor Vega, this is actually from last year's appropriation. You're correct. The appropriation that was put in for this year did not pass. But this is previous appropriations that we've been working with the State Department of Social Services to get the MOU so that we can move those funds forward. I think I'm a little more confused than I was before I asked the question, but I'm going to try to process that. And then, you know, more so a statement. I know that some of us on this day is have expressed concerns about starting items being placed at the consent agenda. When you read the staff report and when you read the majority of the documents attached to this item, it all comes from Richmond, but there's great responsibility placed on Prince William County to include the involvement of the county attorney. And so I'm just a little bit curious in terms of the way that we're handling this and what appreciated Mr. Shorter, Madam Chair, respectfully, if items of the like could not be placed on the consent agenda because they require more discussion amongst members of this board. I am very cautious about the organization that is being, you know, I'm tasked with handling $2 million because of their past history with mishandling public dollars and I scrutinize everything that they do for several different reasons. But more so, I just want to make sure that my colleagues on this day is understand what is being asked of us. We can call it pass-through funds, whatever. But when you read the 17 pages attached to this item on the agenda, there's a great responsibility placed on this county. I don't know if the county attorney had a chance to review review this but I do remember Madam Attorney you know oftentimes we're reminded that you represent the board and not other organizations and so I'm just curious as to what the involvement is going to be. Madam Chair members of the board as Mr. Johnson stated the state is giving this money as a pass through to this organization. I think we all wish the state could give it directly to them, but the state is going a pass through. And our office has been working with Mr. Johnson in the county exec's office and DSS to make sure that the document makes clear that we are not being involved. It was written with different verbiage. We went back and forth multiple times on it to make it clear that the county is not really doing anything other than passing the money through. Thank you for that. That puts some of my concerns at ease, but Madame Chair, my position remains. I will not be voting in support of this. And just want to remind again, my wishes that items of the like be further discussed with members of the board instead of being put on the consent agenda. Thank you Madam Chair. And before I go to supervisor, where I just want to address them. Because again, well the way I look at it, it is a pass-through. I didn't think that would be contentious, but I understand that you may have concerns with some of the organizations involved. And we will have further discussion moving forward. Serivizer we are. Thank you Madam Chair and the Associate myself a little supervisor, the Vegas comments. I think my heartburn comes with Section 3C regarding hard costs and soft costs based on some issues we've had with similar programs, particularly ARPA funding. I do have a question for the county attorney. I'm assuming that the use of these funds for those hard and hard costs or the brick and mortar costs and the soft costs will at some point be in some manner audited. Are we on the hook for the audit or are we on the hook for the results? Since it's a pass the results? What, since it's a pass-through, do we have to claw it back for the General Assembly? What's our role in this function? The auditing requirements is on the state, Department of Social Services to come out and audit those records, and we will include and let's, they know if there's any issues they would have to reimburse those funds. The county is not if you look at the Dome of Remedies section, but the county is not on the hook for any of the funds. Well, I think the part that concerns me is the opening sentence of sub-paragraph C. The county shall enter into agreement with CASA for the funds paid by VDSS. Just by, are we encumbering ourselves in any legal manner, Madam County Attorney? I do not believe so, Mr. Wear. We made it clear to the state and to this organization just as the other ones that the county is simply a pastor. All right, sir, Mr. Vega., thank you, Madam Chair. In closing, I'll just remind my colleagues on the day is that even though it's a request being made by Richmond, there's a reason why they're asking this governing body for a vote and that if the majority wishes, we don't have to approve this. I doubt that that's going to be the case, but just thought I'd share that. All right. Seeing all their comments, let's go ahead and take a vote. Motion passes 5 to 2. Supervisors Vega and we're voting. Madam Chair, I'm sorry. I'm not anything with the, I just, it seems like it still says item 5F Crisis receiving so I just want to make you know again, we still, there needs to be further conversations with the school board. And so I would appreciate it if we could get him motion to move to defer until the first meeting of May. May 13th. That works for me. All right. Tell us your soul. No. All right. Any discussion? Let's go ahead and take a vote. Yes. I just want to go back to item five and with respect to the to theomac District Supervisors. As we, the CRC is very important to all of us. We've got some changes. I want to support Supervisors of Vegas comments and that if we could get some office discussions on like now we're out to October sounds like. So I've been telling folks that we've been doing it now ribbon cutting cutting coming up no no no no I'm not bad mouth on or being upset about near the process but if we could get you know some office updates on this if it's going to be that this is a big significant change for me and so so, and we're spending a little bit more on it. I don't mind it, but if there's more, we could, if you see anything else out there, if we could just be made aware and maybe get ahead of this sooner if we could or any of that. Just want to kind of be sure we kind of ran in on what's going on as before, so we can make sure the same messaging is going out as we talk about it. So just want to put that out there to stress that we can have some communications about this as we see some changes coming out. All right, so the proposal Bailey, did you have a review? Yes, ma'am. Thank you, Madam Chair. I, uh, understanding and appreciating my colleagues' concerns about the crisis receiving center. Let me just say three things. Number one, I'm sure my colleagues know that this is the only project that we collectively have focused on to make sure that things are running smoothly, both from the state perspective and locally. So we work very closely together to make sure that this is going through. Understanding your concerns about the $2 million, I'm planning with Elijah's group upcoming an update for the crisis receiving center because I realized that there was not detailed updates as we were going from because it was moving, moving quite expeditiously but smoothly through the process to assure that we stand this mental health crisis receiving center. So just to give you a sense of comfort, there will be an update on May the 1st for the crisis receiving center as it relates to funding, as it relates to policy, as it relates to what's going on with the state and demask on May the 1st. I just want to offer that to you, would like for you to be participatory in that process on May the 1st. Just want to offer that to my colleagues just to give you an update. Because I realized that as we were going through this and things were moving smoothly, that there were we needed more updates. And so the timeline has not changed, but we do need more details. And so May the 1st, you will be getting that invitation for the updates coming up. If I can madam chair. So on March 20th I sent an update to the entire board related to this item. Today's item that the board was considering and voted to approve. In terms of the actual opening I'm happy to continue to provide updates as they come and based on Supervisor Vegas request, we'll come to a board meeting with both the community services team and FFM to provide a more detailed update on construction timeline as well as the actual opening of the facility in terms of operations. If there are any critical changes between now and then, I will certainly send an update to the board to that effect. So there are two opportunities. What is that? All right, are we good? All right, sure. Thank you so very much. All right, because I want to make sure that we keep it moving. And we are on to agenda item number six, and that is public comment time. So I'm gonna be calling people up. Actually we only have six folks. So I'm gonna call you all of you up. When you go up, you have three minutes to speak. You will see on the time clock over there. It has your time. State your name and the Magistria district or where you generally reside. And so first I have have Kelly Hank Law, Shannon Patterson, Jim Rafferty, Cody Thomas, Liz Kronauer, and Peter Alton. And I apologize for any mispronunciations. But if you all can go up and stand in the back. And you can adjust the microphone if you need to. You just pull it down. All right, the floor is yours. Good afternoon, Madam Chair and Board of County Supervisors team. My name is Kelly Hanuklaw, resident of Prince William County for 27 years. Brenceville District of Point T to the Prince William County County Arts Council since 2018. President founder of 501C3 nonprofit Art of Life Charities and CEO and artist of a 24-year-old business in Prince William County, Minor Miracles Arts Studio. The arts are integral in our county. If a pandemic taught us nothing else, it's that art matters for our well-being. Art healsels, Dance, Music, Theater, Visual, Literary Arts. Art is a way of life. What do you do with your family and friends? Do you go to a play at the Hilton Center, take an art class at a local studio, watch TV at home, or go to the movies in Gainesville? Go to an art or fashion show at your child's school or the Kelly Center. How about two silos or the yard to listen to a band or the gala at the sweetie barn to hear a singer? How about the Clearbrook Center for the Arts and Lake Ridge to listen to a band or the gala at the sweetie barn to hear a singer? How about the clear book center for the arts and lake Ridge to listen to a poet or watch a speed painter or maybe a craft show in Achaquan? None of these things are possible without art. Art makes our community one in which people want to visit, return, and stay. When you think of public art in Prince William County, what do you think of? Where is art? Where do people go and see art outside of public buildings? Outside of Manassas, I can only think of one thing, and it's right here at the McCourt Center, the Liberty Memorial. We are lacking that in our county. Art beautifies a community and gets people talking about an area like the VA love signs or the Outer Bank's horse sculptures wouldn't it be great to have more public art to increase tourism and economy in Prince William County? Well, we cannot do that right now because Prince William County does not have a public arts policy in place. I'm very thankful to Supervisor Angry because he issued a directive to to the DPR in April of 2022. The Arts Council was told in September that year about the directive and that the policy would be worked on and the Arts Council would be consulted. It was not. I have been actively working with the Arts Council, even created a public art committee where the Arts Council unanimously voted on a public art project to fund a local artist $2,500. After a $10,000 line item for public art was added to the budget by the county. After the vote, DPR and the budget office said, no. I've also been working with both of my representatives since then, both Supervisor Lawson and now Supervisor Gordy. Thankfully, Supervisor Gordy has recently been working on a new directive to move this forward and hopefully with the Supervisor's blessings we can do that. I do not understand why it has taken three years to get a public art policy in place. We are stuck in a holding pattern with DPR and previous art allocated money is being budgeted and returned to the DPR every year that the arts council is not able to use the funds. Please create a new accountability and timeline for directives that are issued to your staff. Please move public art funding to priority status. Only $65,000 is allocated to all of the arts in our entire county outside of grants to organizations who apply. Of that, a very small percentage would go to public art. In the wide lens view, this is an extremely small amount of money for our large county. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Thank you, good afternoon. My name is Shannon Patterson. I reside in Prince William County. I'm coming on behalf of talking about the Mills Tax and getting rid of the Mills Tax. I work as a server in our local restaurants here in We're Bridge and pre-Covid, we were a boom in, businesses boom and we have people coming in, we have weights at the door, lies people coming in, post-Covid, COVID hit everything shut down. Now we have post-Covid where we have very few members coming into the restaurant. For every customers coming in, our head count is going down a lower and to add that to that then you have this mill tax which customers have to pay an additional amount for what they eat. As a server that tip is my income. When you take that extra that percentage of mill tax it comes out of my tip. It comes out of my income. And if an individual has a $20 budget and they're going to dinner and they take that $20 budget and they go to dinner and now they have additional tax they're still going to spend $20 regardless, but where they distribute that $20 is gonna be different. So instead of me getting a five for my income, I'm only getting three. So they're taking $2 away every time, or what it may be. If you take that time, 10 people coming in per day, take that time's five times a week, that's $100 a week that I'm missing out of the income because of attacks that I didn't ask for. And then you do that for an entire month. That's $400 that I'm missing out of my income. Every single month for attacks that I didn't ask for. And then you do that for an entire month. That's $400 that I'm missing out of my income every single month for attacks that I didn't ask for. And when you think about that $400, what could you do for $400? If I got car repairs, I got gas, I got bills, that extra money comes out of not, that never gets to my pocket, but it comes out of my income. And as a server, we work to provide great customer service. I know we do at my restaurant, great food, food doesn't change, customer service doesn't change, location doesn't change, but the, the, of my income. And as a server, we work to provide great customer service. I know we do at my restaurant, great food, food doesn't change, customer service doesn't change, location doesn't change, but the tax has changed. And that tax not only affects me as a server, but affects every person in this building as well. Because everybody who likes to eat, I guess, right? I don't see anybody wants to starve. And you want to take your family You won't have a good time, but you don't want that extra tax. But when that extra tax comes out, it comes out of your pocket, it comes out of my pocket. And where does it go to? I haven't seen it. want to take your family out right you won't have a good time but you don't want that extra tax but when that extra tax comes out it comes out of your pocket it comes out of my pocket and where does it go to I haven't seen it it doesn't come back to the restaurant doesn't come back to helping us maintain anything else great in our restaurant or the people it comes back to the county and about money that being dispersed so I'm asking you that you talk about this mill's tax think Think about now, I mean, just your pockets, but the servers folks working in the restaurant, the tax is no good. It doesn't help us out pre COVID had enough to COVID tax us enough. You talk about this mill's tax. Think about not only just your pockets, but the servers, folks working in the restaurant, the tax is no good. It doesn't help us out. Pre COVID had enough to, COVID taxes enough. Don't you agree? Do it in an additional tax over our lives for the food that we want to eat. So I come with you on behalf of all the servers of all the county, all the restaurant owners, all the dishwashers, all the cooks, All the persons, all the hostesses, even all the customers coming into every restaurant, every single day, help us get rid of this mill tax. Thank you. Thank you, next speaker please. Good afternoon, my name is James Rafferty. I have been a resident of Prince William County for 40 years. I am here also to speak on the mills tax. The 4% current mills tax honestly has really hurt our county restaurants. It's hard enough to operate the restaurants these days. Cost of goods and labor have gone through to roots since the pandemic. The prices, we've had to raise our prices to keep up with cost of goods and the higher labor costs. The meals tax just adds a higher stress to the restaurant industry, particularly in Prince William County, lowering the tax 2%, or it's back to 0%. I believe would be a huge help for an industry. It's hard enough. There's restaurants closing, left and right every day, and know everyone has budgets like was just said and when when you have to add an additional 4% to the cost of going out dinner or lunch it really puts a lot of pressure on the restaurants so I would ask for you to please remove or decrease the tax thank you. Thank you and everyone we speak if you just give me your Magistral District and if you've already spoken for not speeding speaking if you can have a seat I I'd appreciate that. Thank you. So next speaker. Good afternoon. I'm Liz Crownauer. I'm the chairman of the Trails and Blue Ways Council, Brunsville District. And I'm here to represent the Trails and Blue Ways Council in asking you to support funding for Trails in the 2020s.26 budget. Could I have a little more than three minutes for this? No? Oh, so that rule went away. The TVC is a very grateful to the board for a million in the funding that was designated in the CIP last year. So in preparation, we started working into L.I. putting together a list of our highest priority trail projects with the ultimate goal of funding a project in every district. In November we sent you Resolution 24-18 which was a request for funding that included a prioritize list of projects for each district. The list did not include costs because we're just not that smart but some rough costs were provided to us by DPR and it really opened our eyes to the cost of things these days. This year we have been requesting 5 million in lending and I know this sounds like a tremendous amount, but to put it in perspective if you compare it with the planned 1 billion investment into road construction, 1 billion, 5 million half of 1 1% is really not that much at all. To meet the county goals for sustainability, we need to create a balanced mobility system. So new roads and new housing developments should be accompanied by new bike and pedestrian infrastructure. And the roads don't have to be all along the roads. This network has been planned, but it's going to take years to create and we need to get started now. To efficiently create a robust trail system, we need enough funding to support a trail staff person with a steady stream of projects in the planning, design and construction pipeline. And with all the new residential development that's coming all over the county, we really need to be ready to fill in blank segments to connect these developments when they're built or opportunities to make connections for bike-ped traffic will be lost. As a reminder, a little refresher course, trails have more to offer than just getting from point A to point B. They support health and well-being, and they provide a place for people of all ages and abilities to get healthy exercise with no equipment other than a pair of shoes. They support economic activity. They increase property values, and attract Fortune 500 companies who consider active transportation systems a real plus, and they support tourism. So for all of these reasons, I encourage you to continue funding trail development at least at the highest level possible in next year's budget. And the Trails and Blue Ways Council is happy to be at your service to keep up the trail project recommendations. And thank you, as always, for your attention. Thank you for so much. Next speaker, please. Hi, I'm Cody Thomas with the electric palm restaurant at the Prince William Arena. I'm here to talk about the meals Tax and why you should get rid of it. I believe this is my third or fourth time coming here, talking to everybody, asking you guys to get rid of it, and you guys haven't listened, so I know I'm talking to a brick wall, so I'm just wasting my time, but someone asked me to come speak, so I figured I'll give it another shot. So a few years ago when you guys wanted to pass it, we probably got 15 people in the restaurant industry to come down here and talk about it. You guys didn't listen to that. But when you guys tried passing a boat tax in like 2019, there was 150 to 200 people here. And since there were so many people protesting against it, you brought that to the top of the agenda and said, nope, we'll get rid of it. It's not going to even be up for discussion. You got rid of it. But to get restaurant workers to come and talk about how it's hurting their pockets, that's why you only see a few of us here talking about it because dishwashers, cooks, servers, bartenders, most of us all work two jobs. They don't have time to come down here and beg you guys to listen to us and then just ignore us. So they're like me, it's a waste of time. But I'm asking you to please reconsider, at least knocking it down or getting rid of it because it does affect the servers. When the servers don't get the right amount of tips, I know this isn't at every place, but I really do take money out of my pocket and give it to them. Because fees are getting so high that going out to dinner has become a more of a luxury and said, oh, hey, we can go out for some drinks and appetizers with friends or dinner. It's just costing so much. So that's why I really ask all you guys to think about it. Everybody eats here. Everyone goes out to restaurants and to be with with you someone would give me money i'd walk away right now from the restaurant industry it's not what it used to be and years ago in the nineties when my dad owned a restaurant down here you guys not you guys but other board people tried passing a mills tax and maybe him his brother or his two brothers had a better way of conveying the message of why not to do it so back in the nineties when other board members tried passing the mills tax, you guys were nice enough to listen to everybody. That came and said, hey, we don't want a mills tax in Prince William County. And it got knocked down. Then I know a few years later, it got, you know, pushed back up to the agenda. And again, they listen to your constituents. and all your constituents don't want this and I thought you guys are supposed to listen to what we want in the community and it really it stinks that it's just like we're talking to a brick wall because you guys have your agenda and where you need the money to go but I believe you guys raise like 44 million dollars from our restaurants it feels like you're just using us as an ATM machine. And there's nothing we really can do to fight it because once it passes, if I don't pay it, you're going to throw me in jail. So I just asked that you guys consider about reducing it or getting rid of the tax. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker speaker please. Good afternoon my name is Peter Alton and I live in Manassas and I am also the treasurer for the Prince William County Arts Council and I want to endorse what Kelly Hanna-Cloud said about public art. And we always have a line item in our budget which is money allocated by the county and we have money allocated for public art. Many years ago I prepared an elevator speech which all of you know what that is and And it basically had to do with what would life be like without art. I mean music, singing, painting, poetry, all the different arts. And it would be actually a very sterile world. And so public art is a big chunk of art and should be in the county. Supporting this is a person who is the chairperson of the Manassas Architectural Review Board. And they look at and review art, outside art projects that come to them. And in almost every case, they have been approved. And so, there are murals going up in Manassas because of that. In addition to that, there are statues and other whimsical pieces of art throughout the city. And I think the county needs all that and should have that. We have statues like at the train station and other small statues throughout the city. And actually on the city hall, there are little bricks here and there that are painted with little whimsical pieces of outdoor art. And all of that enriches the life. In addition to that, there was a campaign started some years ago where people would take and just take a small rock and paint a design on it and just put it on a window ledge or something somewhere in town. And if you found the rock, you could either take it home or put it somewhere else in the city so that people would find it. So I want to again reiterate, I fully support that the county should have public art and it should be throughout the county. There is already some but we need a lot more I think. Thank you very much for listening to me. Thank you and thank you to everyone who came out to speak in person today. We do not have any remote speakers for public comment time or public hearing, which is a gender item number seven. So I am going to move to agenda item number seven, the public hearings. And I am going to go ahead and open the public hearings for agenda items number seven, seven a through seven C. Do we have anyone signed up to speak? So we do not have anyone who is on to speak either in person or remotely for agenda item seven a through seven C. So with that, I will, if there's anyone in the audience who wants to speak If not, I'm going to go ahead. I will officially close the public hearings for 7a through 7c I would like to actually take you through these folks individually in case there's any discussion So with 7a can I get a resolution to move forward? Second Alright, that has been moved by Vega and seconded by Bailey. Any discussion on 7A? All right, let's go ahead and take a vote for that one. Okay, unanimous. Thank you. The next one is 7B, if I can get a motion. So I move the man chair. Second. All right. So the provider, um, Bowdie Bailey. Any discussion on 7B? Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. My colleagues up here know how I feel about these Rick. Just real quick. Can you talk to me a little bit about negotiation efforts, where are we? Is everything smooth? I don't think we have anybody here speaking in opposition, but I just want to make sure everything's on track. No problem, ma'am. Madam Chair, members of the Board, Rick, Kennazal, your Director of Transportation. know man, what we're doing is trying to get our easements from property that we already got. Board Rick Kennazal, your Director of Transportation. No, ma'am, what we're doing is trying to get our easements from property that we already got the fee simple of. So what happened is we got the fee simple. There were some declarations that were found to be with the shopping center that had some common easements through the property. So we're just cleaning up the property that we have already condemned. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Thanks, Dr'am. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, ma'am. Supervisor Ingrid? Yeah, I just want to comment, because this is really one of those final steps for the spooie. So just doing some cleanup to get that road and that development, as you see, it's happening as I said it would. But again, as we get further, those roads are going to start closing off in detours and so if you don't have to be in that area go around because it's going to take a little while to get this all done two years two years so we're close to getting all that started and as soon as we get there the sooner we'll get over it so thank you thank you back to her and thank you Rick. I think you just want to say the word spooey right? Spooey. All's go ahead take a vote. Let's go ahead and take a vote All right, and let's move on to agenda item number eight and that is county attorney time mr. Shurton the floor is yours I do not have have a lot of. I keep you know I keep the voting you. You know I'm sorry but you know attorney I don't know I got a lot of lawyer jokes in me today all right it was a lot of we recognize a lot of it all right. All right well really quickly just a few announcements first there were two directives as you all know issued last week one to review the Animal Advisory Committee policy resolution regarding pet store regulations and come back to the board with staff analysis and recommendations. That directive was assigned to the county attorney's office, my office and the police. Two, we were asked to bring back a resolution for a new capital improvement project using Potomac District Proffer funds to expand the capacity of forest greens, golf course clubhouse. And that directive was assigned to parks and recreation. One directive was closed last week related to an audit for boards, commissions and committees and their meeting calendar. And that is all from me, Madam Chair, unless you have any questions. So, we're going to the Franklin and then we're. Yeah, thank you. I know that you sent an email about the affordable housing ordinance being pushed back a few weeks. I guess not necessarily concerns, but wanting to make sure that it was kind of up to par before coming to the board. I was wondering if, hey, you can speak a little bit about that and then be. And I haven't looked at this as closely as I need to, but the 5 million we got from the general assembly. I think as my understanding that we would need to take action on some type of ordinance in order for us to get that 5 million. Can you just talk about how this will impact us receiving that money? Sure. So I'll take the last thing first. One, you are correct that the stipulation I understand it, and I'll ask way to come up and talk a bit about the benefit of a bit of a few more weeks, three more weeks for the ordinance for us to come back on June 3rd versus May 13th. But in terms of the general assembly, that bill does require that we pass an ordinance by the end of this calendar year. Calendar year, calendar year. So, and that is just as a reminder, $5 million that would be allocated to our housing trust from the state to support affordable housing development in the county. And I believe we are well on our way and don't anticipate any challenges unless, for example, we come on June 3rd and the ordinance is not where it should be and the board decides to move in a different direction. Sure. And I guess I'll say obviously the board will decide, you know, if you know, you agree with the ordinance or not take up a noun vote. But I would hope by June 3rd staff will at least be comfortable. Yes, that is the hope this additional three weeks in wait if you want to come up and add to this additional three weeks. We'll give us an opportunity to answer some of the basic questions that we have, that we want to make sure our answer before we come to the board. Madam Chair, members of the board, we have a deputy county executive. So the time that we've spent up to this point has really been focused on the ordinance itself. All the details work on the county attorney's office and now we're at a stage where all the different agencies that are going to be involved, largely development services, but you've got the zoning administrator that's going to be interpreting some of the codes. You've got the staff that are actually going to be working in some cases if it's a by right and we've talked about density bonuses you're going to have staff in some cases if it's a by-write. And we've talked about density bonuses. You're going to have staff working with applicants. And we just want to make sure that everyone as staff wise is on the same page. The planning office when they're working with applicants, development services. So now we're starting to do a lot of what if scenarios, what if a project comes in and It's this setup and the person asks for This density bonus or these waivers in the DCSM Just making sure we're on the same page Clarifying it codifying it in our policy documents. So again, we'll be consistent and in some of those have raised some questions That we wanted to circle back with the county attorney. So we're just double checking everything before we bring it forward to you Okay Okay just as a reminder it's been like four years. Okay just just a friendly reminder. Understood. Thank you. All right. Two advisor where you're in you're out. Do you do one pass? Supervisor Bailey? You sure about? Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Madam Chair. I just wanted to just reiterate with the county executive, if you would please have met to circle back with my colleagues in reference to the CRC just to assure that everybody's on the same page as to how we're spending the money and where's going in the timeline. I know you just said that, but I would appreciate that. We had a similar glitch when we were passing the CRC and and and I don't supervisor angry was kind of left out of the loop so I want to make sure everybody is in concert with what's going on you know as we move forward because we're just at the end so thank you so much just a reminder. All right anything else from from you Mr. Shorter? We good? All right, now to the real attorney. The real county attorney, I apologize. I'm going to leave the lawyer jokes alone today. Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the board. In addition to passing the law day commendation this afternoon, which we appreciate, I just want to note that today is international be kind to lawyers day. So my whole office appreciates that as does Karen in the audience and we appreciate you. So thank you very much. International be kind to lawyers day. Maybe we'll fold that in with the Law Day next year. So we'll work with the county executive on that commendation. But for the real business for a closed session this afternoon, there will be consultation with legal counsel and briefings by staff members pertaining to discussion or consideration of the disposition of county-owned real property to include a possible lease of county property. We're discussion in an open meeting would adversely affect the bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the public body with the related discussion concerning a prospective business or industry where no previous announcement has been made of the business or industry's interests in locating their facility in the county. And we're discussion in an open meeting would adversely affect the litigating posture bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the public body. And this item is appropriate for closed session pursuant to 2.2-3711 a 3 and 5 of the code of Virginia. So move, ma'am, chair. Second. All right, be familiar to me. I just want to say I apologize because you are correct. It is international be kind to lawyers today. I had to look it up. I had to look at yes I did. Yes I did. You're a lawyer. You're not being kind to me. I am wrong. I will go to my office and grab a treat for you. All right, let's go ahead and take a vote. Oh, right. If someone from my office can come bring some fruits next, the good ones. Okay, I don't know. I'll see what we got over it. I think we got some chocolate. All right. So we are going to go now to Supervisor's Time. I am actually looking at you, Supervisor Vega. If you want to kick us off. What? Yeah. I would be delighted too. Just want to report back that on April 4th, myself, supervisor Angrienne, actually supervisor Bailey, attended the Adult Detention Center, well they call it the jail basic Academy graduation. So certainly, congratulations to all. Was it 14 or 15 graduates? Only the number 12 stands out in my mind because they had a number record of female correction officers. 14 total and out of the 14 12 were females so congratulations to all the graduates. We welcome you to our principal and county family and certainly wish you much success in your new career. On April 5th we hosted the much anticipated Coles District Annual Easter Egg Hunt. It was a fantastic event. I'm grateful to Mother Nature and to our good Lord for holding off on the rain because the Easter Bunny came out and the kids had a blast. Not all I'll be honest. A handful were petrified and screamed as if they had seen Santa Claus because Santa Claus seems to have that effect on children as well But I certainly want to thank folks over at Chris Young Elementary School for allowing us to host the event there this year, and to the parents and everybody else that attended the event. A special thank you to my staff. It's always a great event, but I certainly cannot do it without you all. I know they're watching, so, Marina, John, and Chelsea and Alicia, thank you so much. I appreciate you all. Today we attended the pinwheels for prevention event against childhood abuse as stated earlier. Today, the beginning of this month, we remember the children that have been lost due to abuse and we do our very best to ensure that we protect children who are in environments that are not safe for them. Also, want to let folks know that on April 11th, I'm going to be touring the Public Safety Communications Center right across the street from what we park. And so it's going to be, it's always a great time when we go over and see the phenomenal work that our dispatchers do. On April 14th, we are going to be celebrating Visaki Day. So I'm getting ahead of myself, but I look forward to celebrating with our friends and a proclamation will be issued on that day. That is all I have, Madam Chair. Thank you. So, Heather, wait, did you want to do your directive? I have it. I can do it. All right. Did you, all right, you know what, I'm going to go to, I will come back. We will go to, supervisor Franklin. Thank you for that. I just want to highlight and congratulate the Potomac Library who celebrated 50 years this weekend and so very, very important library in the Woodbridge district and looking forward to continuing their service. And so thank you to our library team and Happy Birthday. I also just want to point out 23rd, 7pm, April 23rd, 7pm at the Fralazzo building, I'll be hosting a round table to discuss the proposed affordable housing ordinance, and so looking forward to the public's input, as well as the discussion around its importance here in the county. May 15th, I'll be at the Woodbridge VRE for Bike to Workday. In on May 31st, we will be doing our dumpster day at Fred Lynn from 10 a.m. until 2 p.m. I also just want to recognize the Child Advocacy Center. I think it was probably the first initiative that I put forward, punk coming into office and Courtney Tierney, who is no longer a director of social services. She did an excellent job kind of assuring that that program in, it's been doing wonderful work even for an unfortunate topic. But it's something that was needed here in Prince William County and our staff, it's been absolutely wonderful. And if you recall, they actually want to state award last year for their services. So thank you to our social services department for the work that they do and those that work at our Child Advocacy Center. Also again, just want to congratulate the Freedom High School girls basketball team, coach Mia Lloyd for winning Player of the Year in Lonnie Johnson. I'm sorry coach me a lawyer for getting coach of the year and player Lonnie Johnson for getting player of the year. And so I attended many of their games at a great time and I was encouraged to now go to their soccer games. And so I will be doing that as well and looking forward to it. On a sad note, I just want to keep our colleagues and on the Fairfax Board of County supervisors, they lost their lobbyist, Claudia Arco, last week I'm sorry, and for those of us on Vaco, we got a chance to interact with Claudia quite often, and she was a wonderful, wonderful person and served Fairfax very, very well. And certainly a shock to all of us, but I'm certainly gonna missing her smile as we go to these conferences. But again, our condolences go out to the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors. And with that, I yield. All right, we are going to go over to Supervisor Angry. Thank you, Madam Chair. Where I start with this. We go back and we'll just go back and make the last two. Yeah, but all right. Thank you, Madam Chair. So I'll start by congratulating our Prince of Encounter Police officers and we had a promotion of ceremony last Wednesday. So congratulations to everyone on that promotion. And then the jail basic graduation joined my colleagues there. That was outstanding and amazing. I missed my Dill City literally opening ceremony throughout the pitch on that. But you know it's that season again so congratulations to them. Also congratulations to Yorkshire Volunteer Fire Department. I know I will just want to help you because I joined my colleague, yes the Vega here that's her that's in. That was a great event. So I just, I want to echo that with you. I know you had a lot. So you had a lot of the chief dean for me. Yeah, and chief Jerry Dame is retiring or retired now. So after 17 years, had a great, you know, a ceremony for him. So thank you again, supervise a Vega for all of your for Yorkshire and Chief Dean and his service. And so in congratulations to leadership, Prince William's on their boots and bling. I was unable to make it, but I heard it was a great event, so we just want to congratulate them on that. Madam Chair, I'm going to be bringing a commendation to you for hopefully, I don't know when we can do it, but I want to congratulate Virginia American Water. So they have 34 years of Oshoreco, of zero accidents. And so I was able to go by this morning and just kind of enjoy the event with them and kind of celebrate with them. And so I'll be coming back with that. And hopefully we can get them in the chamber to recognize them for that great event. And Madam Chair, I'm gonna pause. Well actually I'll tell you what Friday morning, I'll be... Oh, well, good. And so Friday morning I'll be joining them for our Delaney Road cleanup. So Virginia American Water has sponsored that road, Delaney Road, so once a year we go out and actually cleanup, clean that road up, so we'll be doing that. And yes, last night I did a midnight ride along with my goddaughter in Officer Coleman, which is very interesting to see how they run around Prince William County from nine PM to seven AM. Okay, I didn't make it. I bowed out about 3 a.m. But what an interesting night of affairs. So I will commend all of our police officers for everything they do in this county. And their role is very interesting. So, Kudos to them. So, Madam Chair, thank you. Sir, Vice-er Boate. Thank you Thank you, Madam chair Just a couple different things from me first on the third I and my chief of staff Toward the adult detention center It's always interesting to go there and sort of see just how much services They offer the folks that are in there and sort of their holistic approach to everything We had a a chance to talk to a lot of the staff members, both folks that sort of work there on the inmate side, but also the mental health wing that they have over there, and just knowing how far we've come, sort of as a community, but also sort of as a society around how we treat the folks that are being held there and the needs that they have. Obviously then earlier today we all went to the Penn Wheel Garden for Child Abuse Prevention Month. One of the thank DSS and all the folks that helped bring that together. It's always a sober but a very enriching experience to make sure that we reflect on that issue. One of the thank my colleagues for their participation in these last three finance and budget committee meetings. Also wanted to commend County execs shorter in his staff and all the other staff and team members that continue to support us in that committee. I think I don't speak only for myself when I say that we've had some very good discussions in those meetings. I think that has led to a lot more understanding and a lot sort of deeper discussions around a lot of the issues that's basically one part of a very important part of our job, which is the county budget. So I really appreciate my colleagues participating in that. Looking ahead on the 24th of April, we will be having, well, I will be at the Holy Square Community Meeting that the applicant will be hosting semi at 7 p.m. in the development services building atrium. So just across the way from here, again, that's 4.24 at 7 p.m. at the in the atrium of the DSP. Finally, I have a directive. I gave all of you a heads up. Backlast, could I be giving it? So without objection, I would like to direct the county executive to work with staff to research, review, and evaluate planning best practices existing legal authority regarding micro grids, onsite backup power generation, and other onsite power generation issues, including but not limited to any recommendations regarding appropriate land use policies and regulations for board consideration. In addition, in preparation of the proposed 2026 legislative agenda for the board consideration, provide recommendations regarding any additional authority regulating micro grids on-site backup power generation and other on-site power generation uses, including addressing potential impacts. Such research and recommendations should, when applicable, include proposed timelines, proposed fiscal impacts, other pertinent information for board consideration. The county attorney's office is directed to review the information and recommendations for any legal issues. When the research and work is complete, the county executive should report back to the board with the research and recommendation during a board meeting or by memoranda as appropriate. Madam Chair. Yes. I don't know that I object just yet but I do have questions and maybe possible discussion. Do you want to get through the rest of supervisors time and then we come back to it? I am sure let's take this now. Okay well supervisor body so just help me understand more clearly what is the intent of the director? Sure I appreciate that so's the way they guys. So essentially as we've seen and yes, it pertains to the data center industry, but it also sort of or global issue, we're starting to see that large skill industrial applicants are beginning to look at creative ways to provide power to their facilities. Especially as it pertains to data centers, there's a case in Lawn County where they actually built a gas turbine power plant as what they thought was an interim step, but it became so their base power load. Right now there isn't a lot of concrete details on how we handle something like that. Knowing that gas generators are on the agenda, we know that S.M.Rars have been talked about. We know that things like blue and green hydrogen cells have been talked about as well. But right now there's not a lot of good playbook around how we handle that from a land use perspective. And in some cases in other counties they've interpreted as some of this stuff could be done by right if it's only feeds that data center building. And I don't want want us to get to a point where we're having to react to that when it happens versus being proactive now, beginning the research on how that can be handled, what our authority is, and if we can start having some kind of discussions around implementing land use policies around that kind of stuff. Thank you for that. Because I'm not sure the county attorney can clarify. When we were talking about the noise concerns and whatnot, we were told over and over again that we can't regulate a specific industry. And I understand that. And so when I was reading, you know, your directive, my concern also stems from possible regulations for residential, right? And so am I correct in my assumption, Ms. Robel? That this would impact? Madam Chair, members of the board, that's why with the draft directive it states that we're to look at the analysis to see whether or not legal authority is needed for the board to take some of these actions. So then we'll wait, then I guess, until the county staff comes back. Thank you. So then I won't object. Thank you, supervisor Bodie. All right, we got super as we are. Thank you, Madam Chair, I'm not going to object. However I think one of the things that we need to include in that study is specifically the gas turbine generators. If anybody who doesn't understand what a gas turbine generator is, it's a jet engine. And there are circumstances in several places in the Commonwealth where they line up five jet engines and generate the power off of those. And let's just say they're not quiet. So if we have to get zoning ordinances in place, GCSM changes authority from the general assembly, I would suggest we do that now before the first one pops up and somebody's backyard and deal with it now rather than then. All right, thank you, Steve and Roger Franklin. Yeah, thank you for that. I just want to, thanks for the director of the, you know, the biggest actual challenge with data centers is the energy usage. And so by looking at or bringing into our county the discussion around alternative energy sources, I think can be incredibly helpful both towards the environment and to this larger discussion, because this isn't just a principle in county challenge, we have an energy challenge nationally. And I don't want to be gloom and doom, but maybe even internationally, there could be some challenges, not specifically from the data center industry, but just because we haven't been sustainable for decades, generations. And so now we find ourselves with our backs against the wall, so any opportunity to look at some alternative sources, we should absolutely take the opportunity, and I'm looking forward to seeing what that legal analysis, and hopefully we do have the authority to do something about that so thank you. All right. Anyone else? All right. Well, thank you for that. There was no objections to that so we'll move forward. Thank you. Supervisor Weir. Thank you, Madam Chair and I will continue that scene. I have one item. Next Thursday evening, the Prince William Committee of the Hundred is going to be hosting a forum on meeting the energy needs of data centers where they'll be discussing the challenges of supplying power needed by the growing number of data centers in Prince William County and surrounding jurisdictions without service interruption or spikes in utility rates for the customers. For better or for worse, the committee has asked me to sit on the panel. Along with Senator Rome, Bill Murray VP of Dominion, and the wonderful Kate Smiley from the Data Center Coalition. It should be a, I was going to say, lively, lively panel, maybe being kind, hoping it doesn't degenerate into profanity, but my guess is it will. I would encourage anybody who wants to go. Next Thursday night, April 17th, 6 to 9 pm with the Menace Park Community Center. That's all I've got. So Professor Bailey. Thank you very much, Manchere. On the second, my staff and I have the pleasure of sending the police department's promotion ceremony congratulations to those who have given their lives to serve ceremony well done. Then on the third, I want to congratulate the Human Rights Commission for their lead and learn emerging leaders. They do such a great job with our youth in terms of preparing them for leadership and advocacy. We appreciate you. Then on the fourth, the ADC jail basic 41 graduation. And I agree with my colleagues. It was an exceptional program and congratulations to those who graduated and to the women you rock. Sorry guys. On the fifth, we had our Potomac District dumpster day. Matt, I'm sure you didn't come. You promised me you'd come, you didn't come. But that's okay. We'll do it another time. We'll do it another time. Anyway, so on the fifth, the Family History and Education Center Open House, it was beautiful honoring the wonderful Miss Joanne Bonneries and the history that she has brought to this county. And it promoted in the Menaces, the New Menaces Museum, the Genealogy Department. So please, I encourage you to go and just take a gander on the computer about your history, particularly here in Virginia. There's a lot of history in Virginia. The Elaní 8th, like today, it was wonderful. The weather was a little cool, but congratulations to Department of Social Services for always acknowledging those who need care and we had a good time even though it was cold it was a great time together. On the 10th we'll be participating in the Got Lit at Paddy Elementary with the students there that's always a great time and then upcoming events additionally on the, on the first, as I mentioned earlier, at Centera Hospital will be sponsoring an update for the CRC from 830 to 12. And I'll make sure that my colleagues get invitations specifically to each one of you. And they'll be talking about the updates for the CRC and what's going on from a state level. And then lastly put on your calendars for May 10th, our annual PWC Annual 5K Mental Health Awareness Walk from 10 to 2 p.m. and again it will be held at the Locust Shade part. Thank you, Madam Chair. All right. I'm kind of, I guess, with that in cleanup. I've got a few things to mention, but my apology supervisor, Bailey, but we didn't receive an information or invitation. All right, I'm kind of I guess with vetting cleanup. I've got a few things to mention but my apology Apology supervisor Bailey, but we didn't receive an information or invitation about dumpster day. I typically don't do those events honestly It was a joke man. Okay. I have no sense of humor. It was a joke. I ain't cuz I already defended our county attorney It was a joke. You know, so I I wanted to for supervisor angry he had on Thursday, April 3rd, he had the pleasure to attend the student leadership council cohort nine graduation ceremony. And that is sponsored by the Human Rights Commission with which is a nine month course. Mr. Shorter attended, Dr. McDate attended and supervisor angry attended. They are all the first African-Americans to hold their positions in the county. So congratulations on that. The other thing, okay, y'all gonna get mad at me because I'm bad with these directives, and this is I think a little unfortunate communication. So if anyone objects, I can redo it for next time, but this is actually time-sensitive. And it's about the noise ordinance. Without objection, I would like to direct the county executive to work with the staff to identify $35,000 in fiscal year 2025 funding to cover the cost of additional noise testing and technical analysis associated because we're finding the draft noise ordinance and to prepare a resolution to be included for consideration by the board during the April 22nd 2025 board meeting. Already people are in the queue. I got weird in Franklin. What type of testing and for how long? So you stole her question but Franklin's question but supervisor, I'm sorry, Super, but I just I'm tired today, y'all. County executive shorter. Sure. So this is just a continuation of ongoing work that Wade has been doing with the task force. And so did I say that right? Yeah, so this will continue the same contract, it will not be a new contract, and it will continue with the same consultant. But are we changing DBC, DBA, octave range, I mean. So this is not the policy discussion that the board ultimately will have. This is just a continuation of the testing in order to bring a recommendation. But there have been numerous questions about the type of testing and what's being measured and whether it's there's an argument as to whether we should be measuring DBA, DBC, or Octave, Octave range. I'm not gonna get in the way of it. I just hope that my comments are taken into account. All right, Mr. Hudley, do you want to respond? Or do you have any additional things, Sam? I'm sure members of the board weighed huge deputy county executive. So the funding will handle a couple of things. So based on the direction that we got from the board, we do want to do some additional testing. matter of fact we did some field testing today. Dominion had a scheduled power outage at the Amazon facility at Tannerway, which is next to Gradogue. So they were running the generators for about three hours and we wanted to go out and get some readings there. But we send that off to the consultant to do the analysis. We are working with Rutgers University as well, because they do a lot of enforcement training. They trained police officers all across the United States and enforcement of noise ordinances, the DLDVC, the deal with octaves as well. So part of the answer, your question, Supervisor Weir. We're talking, are we being too stringent in terms of the levels that we're trying to track in terms of how difficult or challenging it may be to actually enforce? And so we're trying to get as much information as we can, again, per the board's direction. So that's what the funding will be used for. Any follow-up or before I can supervise over any follow-up or anything else, before I go on to supervise, Franklin, then Bailey? It's, I mean, it just means just reinforcing the concerns I've got in terms of enforceability, civil versus criminal versus how do we do it? How do you, how do you try and gillate what the source of particular sound is? What's the aggregate impact? I guess we'll see. All right, Supervisor Franklin. Sure, yeah, thank you for that. And I, so obviously we're doing additional testing. I guess I'm just curious as to as to why. Well, because we did the initial testing to kind of frame the scale that we were looking at. Now we want to do additional testing again to make sure any ancillary impact. So for example, the hospitals had reached out to me. They had some concerns. we tested a couple of schools, we want to try to hit a couple of additional schools, maybe with like order equipment just to see just again I want to make sure that whatever ordinance we bring. We had some concerns. We tested a couple of schools. We want to try to hit a couple of additional schools, maybe with like older equipment, just to see, just again, I want to make sure that whatever ordinance we bring to you, we don't have the ancillary impacts. We're really targeting a certain industry, and we want to stay focused on that. Right, and just so I'm clear, is this coming from the advisory group or from staff? Both. So for me, we're working in tandem. Again, I want to make sure we've got enough of the testing and the results when When I bring this forward, but it's done in tandem with the DCO AG. So they're aware of their supportive. Yep. And obviously I've raised concerns to you about making sure that there aren't any unintended consequences with other industries that may get swept up in this. I that we have to make sure that we have to make sure that we have to make sure that we have to make sure that we have to make sure that we have to make sure that we have to make sure that we have to make sure that we have to make sure that we have to make sure that we have to make sure that we have to make sure that we have We've been to the junkyard on Route 29. I know it's located right next to Virginia Oaks as well. They're they're grinding concrete and brush out there so that's it would allow us to do some of that additional testing. The testing we're doing on our own. We're sending our staff out in the field to do the test. It's really the analysis. We send the sound files to the consultant, have them analyze it. Yep and I'm supportive of the directive. I would also just like a list of the additional entities that you will be serving. We can do that. Absolutely. We'll do that. All right, supervisor Bailey than Bowdie. Thank you, Madam Chair. Wait, this was, I'm in support of the directive as well, but this wasn't this line item in your presentation presentation also. Did you have this at the end of your present? I vaguely remember The recommend it was a part of your recommendations at the end the recommendation where the request from the board to get direction Was to bring back a budget so when we do bring you a proposed ordinance to adopt any cost that would be associated with Enforcing that ordinance so that's separate from what this is. This money is really needed now so that we can finalize the work and then bring an ordinance forward. But at that time we would have a budget. So if it involves staff monitoring equipment, consulting fees, we'd package that up work with the county executive to bring you that at that time. Okay. All right. Thank you, Madam Chair. and Supervisor Brody. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you Wade for the explanation. I think Sirvisor Franklin was on point with Prana getting a little bit more detail on what the testing. I know that back when we discussed this as a board, not too long ago, when you were in a presentation, we also talked about construction noise. And we talked about some of the construction equipment that is sort of emerging, but also has a slightly different feel to it based on the fact that construction is a temporary thing or at least it should be versus a longstanding operational noise of facilities. Can you dig in a little bit more if you guys will be doing construction testing with this round, what that looks like if so. Go. Perfect segue. So actually we were out a week ago near innovation. They were doing concrete. They were using the bumper trucks to pump the concrete. Well that's going to be very typical in what you see in a subdivision when the porn foundations. And so again, making sure that we don't set that level too low to our homeowners are complaining as houses are getting built. So that was one type that we just did two weeks ago. Blasting and ho-ramming is another. And there's facility being built near Chris Young Elementary that there's it's pretty much sold rock out there. They're doing a lot of blasting. So I'm already emailing back and forth with the superintendent there to try to line up testing as well. So thank you. Thank you. All right. It doesn't look like we have any further comments. So that means no one objects. Yes. Yes. Yes. No one objects. Yay. Home run. All right. So thank you very much for that. Thank you, Mr. Hugh, for your clarifying comments. And with that, I'm going to give, I'm done. I got nothing else. I'm going to give everyone 10 minutes before we go into our close meeting. I just need a motion to certify. So move. Sorry. What are we reporting? Okay. So. All right, we're going to go ahead and vote. Just stragglers. Stranglers. Vote unanimous. All right, thank you, everyone. The board, We are actually going to go to dinner at Los Teccos. Los Teccos. See. Cessi, so we will be there. The evening session of the board begins at 7 o'clock and I will see everyone back here. Thank you so very much. Let's give it a little tap. So we are actually going to begin with a Proclamation that we voted on earlier and that was agenda item 4D the proclaim April 2025 as Seek and Pajabi Heritage and appreciate it appreciation month if you can come a month on a run if you and your family can come to your friends can come to the side I will come down and we will read it can come, a month or a month of a year and your family can come to your friends can come to side, I will come down and we will read it. Oh, I'm going to get it. Oh, I'm going to get it. Oh, I'm going to get it. Oh, I'm going to get it. Oh, I'm going to get it. Oh, I'm going to get it. Oh, I'm going to get it. Oh, I'm going to get it. Oh, I'm going to stand over to the side. Yeah. We generally don't do that. So yeah. I don't want to I can turn this way All right, thank you everyone. This is item 4d proclaim April 2025 seek and pajabi heritage in appreciation month Approximately 700,000 seeks live in the United States and about 35,000 of them live in the Washington DEC Metro area where they have been a part of our community since the 1950s. There is a notable and prominent seat in Punjabi population in Prince William County. Seeds in Punjabis are a significant contributor to our county's commerce, owning and operating truck-related businesses, retail stores, restaurants, and medical clinics throughout the county. Prince William is also the home of the Seek Center of Virginia and Manassas. Additionally, Prince William County is home to the Virginia School of Bunga. Students have competed in place in national and international competitions, representing Prince William County and Virginia nationally and internationally. The Prince William Board of County Supervisors here by per claims April 2025 as Seek and Foojabi Heritage and Appreciation Month. And we present this resolution to the entire Seek community of Prince William County. I also want to take a moment to wish everyone a blessed and happy facade. I had it.ade key. Vassade key. Thank you so very much. So would you like to say a few words? Good evening board, Madam Chair, as well as our own community members and the reciders of Prince William County. I just want to say thank you so much. It is not lost upon us that amidst a budget session, a very important period of time of this county as well as the board that you guys have given us this time and this proclamation. We appreciate it wholeheartedly. As you know, six and Punjabis take pride in living in Prince William County. We love Prince William County. Our kids go to school here, we have businesses here, we work here, and it's a moment of privilege I want to say for all of us. It is an example of coexistence, peace, prosperity, love, and courage that we all represent throughout our diverse fates of this county. So nothing but love, appreciation, and a wholehearted thank you to all of you. Appreciate you guys. We are going to go outside. The Thank you. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next slide. Yeah. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. Okay. Thank you. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to have to do this. I have to wait for more of this. I'm going to do this. I'm going talking you. I'm not talking to you. I just want to make sure we're honest. Yes. to I'm going to go to the next room. All right. Thank you very much. Okay. I'll say, do we lose Mr. Shorter? All right. Okay. All right. We got it. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you very much. Okay. I'll say, do we lose Mr. Shorter? All right. Okay. All right. We got. All right. Go angry. The boat. Are let's go. Okay. Okay. Thank you Madam Chair. Before the board begins budget recap and the public hearing on the budget, I need to declare a personal interest. My wife is a school's employee. As a school's employee, my wife and our members of a group which is affected by this matter. I will be participating in this matter because I'm able to do so fairly objectively in the public interest. Thank you Madam Chair. Madam Chair, before the board begins budget recap and the budget public, I need to declare a personal interest. My wife is a special education instructional aide with the schools. As a school's employee, my wife and I are members of a group which is affected by this matter. I will be participating in this matter because I am able to do so fairly objectively and in the public interest. Thank you, Madam Chair. All right, thank you so very much, Mr. Shorter. Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the Board. It'll take a minute. Wonderful to be before you this evening for Budget Recap. As you know, this is the final opportunity for me to make changes to the budget. These changes were based on the discussions that we all had. I want to take a moment just to appreciate each of you. I know that we had an opportunity to meet with you in your offices over the last several weeks. So based on that input, our general revenue updates, I think there was something there. General revenue updates, some additional revenue from the State Compt Board and then your input around additional items of community interest and obviously our public hearings. We are here tonight with our final update to the Board. As you know, next week will be the opportunity for the board to essentially mark up the budget based on this discussion tonight and your respective priorities. Just a quick review. Now we saw this slide in a few others last week during the finance and budget committee meetings, so we'll go through relatively quickly, but I'm happy to slow down Madam Chair if needed. But this slide, really, the top of the slide, highlights what we did on February 18th. And so you could see at 92 cent, this is where we advertise it. Well, let me say, the real estate, Fire Levy and Personal Property were all proposed at their current rate All right, so real estate at 92 cent Which represented on average 276 dollars Increase over current the fire levy also proposed at current rate 7.2 cent Thank you you, Andrea. And which would represent on average a $22 increase at the time of the presentation on the 18th and then personal property at 370. What the board did in terms of guidance to us for advertisement was ask us to advertise, and you see the bullets at the bottom of this slide, advertise the computer and peripheral rate at 415. And what we talked about over several weeks was the decoupling of the personal property computer and peripheral from the personal property vehicle. And so we did that and we advertised the personal property vehicle at 370 and the personal property, computer and peripheral at 415. What that meant is that we needed to also advertise the general classification rate at 415. And we've had that discussion a few times over and separately the business tangible at 370. So what that represented at the time of the presentation for our tax rate per penny was 11.2 million, which as you could see here, the separation between the schools and the rate per penny was 11.2 million, which as you could see here, the separation between the schools and what this share between the schools and the county. So just wanted to go over that and make sure that we had some grounding in what we did on the 18th in terms of the proposed and what you ultimately gave us in terms of guidance on advertisement. And we reviewed this last week, but I will point that this represents the rates that we came with on the 18th in terms of proposed. So you will see 92 cent real estate rate which represented on average a $276 increase for homeowners and the real estate assessment at the time was 5.6%. Based on real estate assessed value increases what we are saying this evening and talked about last week was that the average residential appreciation is now at 7.2% well 7.22% and so if we left the real estate tax tax, the real estate tax at 92 cents, instead of it representing a $276 increase, it would represent a $350, $3 increase for residents or for homeowners. And so to mitigate that increase, what we are recommending is that we lower the property tax rate from the current rate to 90.6. So I wanted to make sure I said that because I don't know that I said it last week during the Finance and Budget Committee meeting this way. So I hope that is understood. In terms of the fire levy, we are recommending that the fire levy remain the same and not change the fire levy from what we proposed on the 18th. This will represent a slight increase from $22 on average to $28 on average and we're going to talk about that in a few slides and what. What that additional revenue would go towards we talk actually a little bit about it earlier this afternoon And you can also see on this slide the 370 for personal property computer and peripheral and 370 personal property for vehicle All right, and the funding and we'll talk about this in a few slides the revenue that that represents per nickel All right, and how that changed from proposed to this evening. All right. And this is what ultimately this is done to our overall general revenue. And as you could see, here ultimately at 92 at 92 the general the real estate taxes in terms of a general revenue was just at 1 million I'm sorry 1 billion 34.2 million Once we changed the at budget recap tonight change that to 90.6 cents, this is our new estimate in terms of revenue from real estate tax. And this is the delta. And so what we are assuming in terms of general revenue loss based on the new recommendation at 90.6 cents is a $2.5 million loss. And this is what that share represents. And I think maybe Supervisorir mentioned that this earlier today. That share of loss is well shared by the county and the schools where the schools would lose from budget recap 1.4 million and we would lose by way of revenue 1 million. All right. also wanted to cover as part of this presentation, as mentioned, some additional revenue that, based on the state comp board, we've received since budget recap. And that is additional compensation for ADC from the state comp board and cumulative for the sheriff Commonwealth attorney and circuit court clerk cumulative $200,000 increase as well for them. We're also assuming a $600,000 increase for social services and then we heard from elections that there was a $74,000 increase for elections that we are all, that we are including in terms of state contributions that have occurred over the last several weeks. Through the question and answer portion of the work that OMB and the team has been doing, you may recall in one of our Finance and Budget Committee meetings that we did find that two positions in the Fire Marshal's office were being charged to the general fund instead of being charged to development fees. And so we have corrected for that and included here's the additional revenue to offset those costs. That were being billed to general revenue. All right. So earlier today, the board passed approved the Social Services CSA Board item with additional revenue from the state to support the Social Services CSA program. This is essentially accounting for that adding that additional $1 million to the FY26 budget. you could see here when we proposed on the 18th, we included $2 million, which was 66% supported by the state and 34% supported by the county. That has changed where we are adding $3 million based on state contribution and recommending this additional million. So that is a total contribution for CSA for Social Services CSA of 5 million. As you all may recall, the clerk of the circuit court came to provide background on the land management record system. And so we are including that in the recommendation this evening as well at 400,000 noise ordinance enforcement. Not new at 250,000. We have the consultants come in with way just a few weeks ago. and then a no-wrong-door project manager FTE at 146,000. And so just to recap in terms of general revenue for the county we are recommending that we reduce the overall real estate tax from 92 cents current to 90 cents, 90.6 cents, which would represent a $1.1 million decrease from our proposed. We are also recognizing an additional 2.3 million from from the state compensation board and expenditure savings of $3 million due to the Fire Marshal's Office FTE reallocation, if you will, of funding associated with the cost of those two FTEs. what that brings us to is 1.8 million and recap expenditure additions. And so you could see here at the bottom of this slide the available capacity. So we are for FY26, no available capacity, but what that available capacity looks like in the out years. Okay, so considerable discussion over the last several weeks about ADC and what we would provide in terms of recommendations for support to our adult detention center. And so you can see here on this slide, we talked about it last week during the finance and budget committee meeting. What we are recommending is an additional $1.5 million for ADC to support them all from fund balance. So this will not impact the previous slide in terms of the general fund. And so we are recommending retention bonuses for the next four years of $3,000 for all sworn at ADC. We are also recommending a current year, $1,500 stipend or bonus. Again, from vacancy savings, that is to say, using FY25 dollars. This is not an FY 26 add on. We are recommending that we increase the hiring bonus from $5,000 to $10,000, which I think was openly discussed during one of the committee meetings. And we are also recommending that we work with ADC to provide funding for a study to provide additional support around organizational development, surveying, sworn and other employees at ADC and making sure that we are doing everything that we can to support ADC and that is not just money or finances, but there might be other opportunities to provide support to the staff and employees and sworn at ADC. In terms of the additional revenue from the fire levy that we talked about a few slides ago. We are recommending based on what we have all been discussing in terms of the tariffs and the impact on the building, if you will, the fire stations, the FY26 fire levy revenue. we are recommending that we not reduce based on the additional revenue from the Fire Leverary, the $22. And so we are recommending that we maintain the $22 rate that brings in on average an additional and we are recommending that that go towards supporting some additional funding around the tariff. What we believe might be impacts from the tariff. And so with the $3.3 million in fund balance from Fire Levy and $700,000 from the additional Fire Levy revenue. We believe that this will support the additional revenue needed to help with any impact from the federal government and the terrorists. All right, so in the weeks before the proposed budget and in the weeks following the proposed budget, there were a number of allocations that came in from the state government and federal. This is just a really a summary of those additional revenue sources all approved by the board. And so the first one at 9.3 million, this is from our office of community housing and community development. This was additional resources to support housing vouchers for the developmentally disabled at 9.3 million. The second bullet also for our Office of Housing and Community Development. Bless you, Michelle. To support permanent supportive housing, at an additional $2 million, and then aging and social services also received additional funding for social services. You may recall this was a manager FTE that was converted to case worker FTEs and the board supported and approved. So I wanted to make sure we covered and included this additional federal revenue because it would certainly have an impact on our FY26 budget. All right, and we covered these slides last week, but I'll go over them quickly. These were all of the items that we have heard from you directly over the last several weeks or that we heard during public hearings from the community. And starting with the trails construction at 5 million, we talked about the fact that we heard a few board members mention this. And we certainly heard from the community. and we certainly heard from the community. And with parks and green, green space acquisition, no specific amount was discussed, but this as a priority was discussed, the procurement of additional land to preserve as parks and green space. There was a directive last week, this is consistent with that directive around additional support for forest greens, golf courses, for the grill room to join some of the proper funds that Supervisor that Vice Chair Bailey put forward by way of directive. And the Recreation Center location study, this we talked about, this is really an opportunity for us to assess county why, where there may be more opportunities for us to provide more recreation services. And potentially recreation centers around the county. Additional funding for historic preservation, Williams ordinary historic preservation, I understand that this is for to support the gap in terms of a funding shortfall that occurred in terms of fundraising. The therapeutic recreation program or this was an item in the Parks and Recreation budget and I think all of us received some communication from the community around this specific position and even had a discussion at one of our board meetings with Seth about it. additional 50K and Arts Council grants support was suggested by a board member and then swim lane rentals. This is going to be county wide and this cost is really for the additional lifeguard hours and some equipment to support this expansion of programming. Additional items from the board, employee home ownership program. This is, I believe estimated to support 40 employees at $25,000 a piece max in this, in 200,000 to support the underwriting. But this would be primarily for an item of board interest. This is not something we heard from community but from the board. Redevelopment, fund reserve, this is really, we talked about this actually during the budget and finance committee meeting last or finance and budget committee meeting last week the purpose of a redevelopment fund how we would use it and its connection to the redevelopment assemblage study and that study would essentially support us in working through some of the details of our legal policy, procedural activities when it comes to assembling land for the purpose of redevelopment. The coordinated response to FTEs also an item of board interest. This is to support some of the, on the ground outreach from our office of community safety. We talked about the current planning, the current planner, and I know that the chair mentioned wanting two FTEs. Instead of the chair and supervisor, we're mentioning wanting two FTEs instead of the one. But this is the cost of one and would obviously increase with each additional FTE. The trap new to vaccinate and release directive. We've discussed this is the cost for the FerroCAT community that we would support with this directive. And then the Planning Commissioner Compensation, this represents about a 15% increase to the current compensation for planning commissioners. Okay, we've had a considerable discussion about the landfill and promised committed to coming back to the board tonight as part of budget recap with options and this certainly provides those options option one is what was proposed and presented on the 18th of February. These are additional options, including option four, which is essentially status quo where we leave things as they are. And so happy to, when we come back with questions, Madame Chair, talk a bit more about these various options and what they represent, I believe Katab is here to talk through that. All right. And in terms of additional revenue, wanted to make sure that we, and this we talked about, you know, last week as well, this, this is the personal property, property, by nickel, by nickel incremental adjustment, our incremental increases. And so if we go from 370, we do go from 370 all we have to go 320415. And what that represents in terms of additional revenue, then share between the county and the schools and so as you could see at 415 based on current revenue revenue estimates at 415 this will represent 18 approximately 18 million dollars in additional revenue where the schools would receive 10.3 million in the county which is 7.7 million in additional revenue where the schools would receive $10.3 million in a county would receive $7.7 million in additional revenue. All right. Happy to come back to this slide once we get into that discussion. And then in terms of personal property vehicle, this slide represents what each additional nickel decrease would represent in terms of the impact on the general fund or the budget. And what you see here is from current, well, 370 by nickel all the way down to 340 and what that would mean in terms of impact on the counties general fund. At 340 for example, it would represent a decrease of 19.7 million with the school share decrease of 11.3 in the counties share at 8.4 million. All right. I think that might be it. So this is what remains in terms of the timeline for the budget development process this cycle. Tonight we obviously are going to go through some Q&A. Next week we do budget markup where we hear directly from the board where you want to be in terms of tax rates and any additional items that the board might want to add to the budget and then prayerfully on April 22nd we will have budget adoption. All right. I will stop there, Madam Tier, and turn it over to you. Well, I hope this process hasn't been too painful, but perhaps it has been supervisor Rear. Can you go back to page five or slide five? I just want to point out that, you know, that's slide five. Even by dropping it to .906, the net net because you're keeping the rate the same on the fire level, you're still plus three. So because of the higher assessment, you're not really cutting the taxes, you're actually increasing it by $3 on average for what it's worth. And I understand this is your budget, and I understand, excuse me, this is your budget proposal and I understand that you want to have to want to need to defend it. I have to sell it. Each one of us has to sell it. And even it, the proposed new rate of 906, that's not making it for me. I would argue, one of the things I'm not seeing are any proposed cuts. And then we get to the elephant in the room, which is the delta between the school division ask and what's allocated under the proposed budget. For my one eighth, I'm willing to give them their full ask with their markup and a number of items totaling $17.7 million dollars off of their wish list, but that still leaves a $26 million delta when combined with your portion equates to roughly $45 million which is more than four cents on the mill rate which is where you would actually break even more or less with everybody's taxes. So we got a lot of work to do and And then we need to figure out what we're going to do with um um um the C&P tax you know how we're going to you know are we going to if we're going to raise it how do we use the additional funds do we offset vehicle taxes and make it a net zero game do we offset some of the vehicle taxes and use the remainder to offset something else I don don't know, but that's a long discussion that we have yet to have, and I still don't see any cuts here on a budget that's grown significantly and at a level that's just unsustainable. Yeah, I definitely appreciate that. I will say, and I should have mentioned it the first time, what we are foregoing in terms of additional revenue by lowering from 92 to 90 cent is about 14.6 million in additional general fund revenue. I absolutely know that there are some outstanding conversations that need to be had around tax rate, around how you potentially use as a board the the additional revenue from computer and peripheral to offset vehicles or to fund some of the priorities that we just went over. So fully understand that that is a discussion at the board still needs to have. But does that real estate tax that does not include the part of it correct? $14.6 million is just real estate. Yeah, see. And this is the game that we play. It's not your fault. It's when Prince William County was all done. It was by by procating it, presenting it as two separate things. It really shouldn't be won. It was real estate tax based on the same assessment that the fire levies are your actual total tax in combination of two plus the ski attacks and the ski to lead me and everything else. So by breaking it out and putting the fire levies on a different page because it's got a different end views or more or less, you're still not giving them an accurate picture and that $8.3 million loss is all set by the gain in the end of fire living in terms of total revenues. So your actually, my guess is your actually plus up a little bit. What I will say is I appreciate that we are able to, because we've talked a lot about the tariffs and their impact, both aluminum and lumber in terms of construction. I appreciate that we are now in a position with the fire levy at least to set aside some additional funding to support in case by way of contingency. we actually have, well, we are going to have increases in some of these supplies and materials. Understanding that, but the flip side also applies, which is economic uncertainty for the residents. We heard it this morning. So is this the time to be passing a significant tax increase on to the residents who are already screaming about the taxes they're paying? Not only the vehicle tax, but the real estate tax where we're increasing a couple of hundred dollars year over year are each year, which adds up to several thousand over time. I know my real property taxes have at least quadrupled since I bought the house. And, you know, I'm just saying. Do you want your second, Tronchartone? Yeah, I'm going to leave it at that. I'm just saying that this is just going to be unsustainable in the long run and that we're already seeing people feeling the pension, maybe feeling the pinch even greater as the job market dries up from potentially dries up from what's going on with the administration. So I mean, I just question whether now is the time to do it. All right, angry then Franklin. I'll just pick up where I'll supervise the world of left off because, you know, I've invested my time in really addressing and looking at that fire levy tax. And it's not, uh, it, well, let me, let me start saying that it is because we have grown our budget in this entire county significantly and there are areas where it would help our taxpayers because we can talk terraced all day but this is going to affect the residents as well. But I also want to say in the event of this sudden need for apparatus or equipment and all that needs, I still want to point out that I know that we're discussing right now about this C&P tax and where you want to go at that. And that additional revenue at least allows us the opportunity to put that money where we need it in the event of these issues going forward with tariffs and whatever the country may find itself in the future. So I like the opportunity of again this board controlling where we send these funds to whatever agency needs them at that time of these issues because we're going to be discussing CIP, we're going to be discussing a lot of everything. And so as I asked that question earlier about how many departments have reserves. And I know when I look at that fire livery, it does have a reserve currently right now. So that can be used in some areas to even things that are going on in fire and rescue. But also there's ways that we can take whatever we're going to do with this general fund to make sure that our departments have whatever they need going for. So I'm going to be looking at this enough, presenting this to you all is where my area of emphasis is and I imagine that everybody has an area of emphasis so hopefully we can be can be discussing also about citizens needs and addressing those in addition to how we set ourselves up for success. But whatever our county needs are and the equipment, you know, apparatus and everything going forward. So I'll be having that discussion with you all as we get into this next week. So yeah, I'll say this to your first point around just the size of a budget. I mean, I was, you know, very clear as we came up to this budget that we were in a position where we needed to invest in our staff. And so we talked about the FTEs, we talked about FTEs versus contract positions over this last several months. And we are a sophisticated government and we are a community that is growing and that needs a government that could support it. And so my recommendation here with this proposed budget and now with the budget recap in terms of just the number of FTEs and growth in the government is really consistent with the boards ask of this government and the community's need of a government that is capable. And with just two minutes, and I'll say because, so I haven't come to you a lot for the ask for me, but I will tell you the ADC was a definite huge area because we needed to figure that out. So I'm all on board with that. I've said it over and over again, so we can just be clear about it. You know, I think our fine rescue system is a huge growth. And I think there is a whole lot of discussion we can have in that area. Even in the fact that we're gonna do this 30, 60, 90, new personal hires, I think as we keep talking about terrorism in the state of the country and where it's going, you know, There is that opportunity to talk about hold on. Do we pause a lot of that tied to the CFP, tied to New Growth. the state of the country and where it's going. You know, there is that opportunity to talk about, hold on, do we pause a lot of that tied to the CIP, tied to new growth of buildings, tied to new apparatus, those are areas that if we're gonna talk about putting money aside to help them grow, I also wanna talk about, you know, not help, you know, helping that, if there's an area that we're gonna have to pause some things and we need to have a real discussion about all these agencies and departments, about end buildings that we're gonna pause as we figure our way through it. But all of this is what effing suspects. So, you know, while I agree that we do have some growth with our agencies in personnel, I will just be very cautious about some of our future buildouts that come with personnel and apparatus and all those things that we can pause to look and see where we go. So I just want to leave that with the board and thank you really for all you put with this, but just there's some things I believe we can definitely pause and look at and then see where we want to put this put this money because I never Gonna have some revenue growth that you know we have opportunities to do different things like you know stop pause grow if we want to so Just want to clear that with me. All right. Thanks. Thank you supervisor Franklin Yeah, just a comment in a couple of questions Just I'll just start by saying I think Prince William County is kind of on the cusp of our golden era where, you know, over the past several years, we've been able to reduce taxes, but we haven't been able to get to a flat tax rate yet. But I think in a few years, hopefully maybe even looking at next year or the year after, we will be right where we need to be in terms of a sweet spot. Just a couple of questions about the budget and this may take a little bit of math and I hate to bring Michelle up here but I'm just curious and I know the answers are embedded in some of the materials that have been sent out over the past week but just in layman's term if I can just get some of these answers, but particularly for a CMP, if we increase to four, if we break it up, increase to 415 and reduce the car tax, essentially, will we lose any money? That's my first question, and then I will follow up there. Yep. There is a magic, there's a sweet spot here in terms of the the amount of revenue that we would be increasing by way of computer and peripheral and the decrease the decrease if you will from personal property vehicle. I don't know if we have that number. So feel free to put it on. Because it looks like at the what we're proposing to reduce the real estate rate at we'll lose about two million dollars. So I'm just curious if we break up CMP, decrease car tax, increase to 415 peripherals, you know, if we essentially lose any money, because I know some of us have expressed interest in reducing the property tax. Very good, Dave. And I got three minutes before. I want to make sure I frame this correctly for the board. If you increase computer and peripherals to $4.15 tax rate and reduce the vehicle rate to $3.45, $3.45, just hear me out. There will be net positive revenue to the county of $1.6 million. Gotcha. So then you're talking about additional pennies on the vehicle rate. Gotcha. Okay, so we'll see an increase in 1.6 million. A net increase in for revenue. Okay, now just very quickly, Madam Chair, if I go over, I'll just do my second trunch. But very quickly, the 2 million that you mentioned that we would lose if we decrease the real estate rate, how will that be impacted by the 1.6 increase? 1.1. Sorry. So we'll still have the two million decrease in revenue on the real estate part. We did not account for in this budget recap. We need to force decisions around the C and P. Sure. Sure. Okay. We'll, I think we'll, we as colleagues will continue to have that discussion between now and the 22nd. But I'm curious about those specific numbers. Because I think for me, that will determine if I'm truly supportive of decreasing real estate and property taxes. What else have we essentially brought? We'll turn on the light. Chris, turn on the light. Sorry. have we brought tonight is essentially a budget that is flat in a sense that the board, we're not asking the board to allocate additional funding that we need. Right. What we are saying is that any new funding from computer and peripheral or decrease in funding from personal property vehicle is up to the board. Of course, of course. Now, I think I was just saying my determination will be determined by the specific numbers. So we'll continue to have that discussion. Just very quickly, had a couple of specific questions. So available capacity, that was mentioned in one of your slides. Can you just talk a little bit about what that means in terms of our budget? Sure. So usually what we do, oh yeah. What we do at the, what we did on, at, at, at, uh, uh, propose on February 18th at the proposed, we give a five year, which is required, uh, that we give a five year, uh, plan, if you will. This is, uh, a budget that is balanced, uh, and, and FY 26 in terms of capacity. There is no additional money to play with. So any more money that comes or additional revenue will have to come from a board decision, a policy decision that the board makes. And in the out years, you see some additional capacity, but not much. Yeah, and I think that's important, I guess, from our colleagues, to also pay attention to, because we're really kind of tight with the budget. But I know with the increased data center revenue, I will be looking at at least in the out years for us to make sure that we have that additional revenue that we've been talking about for years and years as to why we supported the industry. My last question is regards to the landfill. I know we have several options, but my question is really simple in terms of regardless of those options minus the status quo, will we have the staff to actually do any of those other options even if we allocate money towards it, we still need the human resources to do it. I appreciate that question. Part of what we talked about on the 18th was the need if the board decided to not go with status quo and even go with the proposed from the 18th we would still need time to make sure that we made the change that we informed the industry and that we, if needed, recruited additional staff. Yeah, because that's the hardest part actually getting the staff. We can set goals all we want, but if we're not getting people that are actually interested because of the competitiveness of the market, I just think we need to manage expectations about the landfill. We've been talking about this for a while, and I'm not sure that it's anybody's fault other than the economy. Yeah, then if you, I believe I'm saying this right, but we have asked that we fully implement by January 1, which gives us time from when the board adopts this budget to January to July 1 when we would start potentially recruiting positions. So it gives us a little bit of time to fully implement. Sure, thank you. All right, supervisor Bowdee. Thank you, Madam Chair. Chris, thank you for the presentation. Appreciate both here and also last week. The Finance and Budget Committee meeting. I, I'll put you sort of dig into this a little bit more. So give us a preview of sort of what was going to be discussed this evening. Just a couple questions from me. If you could go back to slide four. So we already discussed how this obviously doesn't include the the 415 in computer or perforals tax that we that we Advertised and so my first question is for my understanding if I remember is correctly going up to 415 Changes the math a little bit each nickel. Correct. It makes it go up to about 2 million versus 1.99 something like that. Right. It was 1.95. Right. And now it's 1.99. Gotcha. Alright, so appreciate that. Right. And then going back to the slide where you taught where you gave us the matrix on the vehicle, tax, I think that slide 18. I like passing this live with the kittens. Yes. All right, 18. There we go. Right. Going back to something that Super Reserve, frankly, was saying earlier, that sort of, that, that math, and I know Supervisor Wearser, gave us the 3.43 as the, that sweet spot, at least for this year's budget. Um, do we, and I know they this is probably not yet. But do we have any idea in terms of trends? How different this will be in coming years knowing that especially used vehicles may appreciate like they did during COVID? I will ask Michelle to jump in on that one. Yeah. Not exactly. We do get the information. Obviously, we get the information from DMV each year. Our model, we build in a growth projection for the number of vehicles, values of vehicles. But the out years are our estimate at this point. We retool that out years each year. So number will change it could go up in the out more than likely we'll increase the out year the value typically we do see year over year growth sure and I appreciate that because you know I know a lot of the reason why a lot of us almost everyone on this dance is talked about this is we want to try to provide some kind of relief to taxpayers this year while still investing the places that we need. My concern is maybe this year we lower it down to 3.45 or 3.65 or 3.60 or something like that, knowing that it will give some people some relief this year, but then we realize next year that because of tariffs, because of supply chain issues, because of a lot of things we saw, frankly, similarly to COVID, the prices, the relief isn't as nearly as per-nounces we originally thought. So I just wanted to throw that out there. It's also a point of discussion. Again, to your point, Michelle, knowing in the out years, it's probably subject to change. So I want to make sure that was an eyes wide open conversation. It is a very good and strong point. And I think ultimately we don't know, but given what is happening in our economy and what we saw back during COVID, you are absolutely right to bring that up. and we will certainly next year come to the board in the same way with our best recommendation. I appreciate that. Sort of my last, it's not a question, it's just a point. You said it earlier, Chris, this budget really centers around at least as terms of your proposed vision around this. Really investing the people that help make the county run, right? The folks that we rely on every single day to make sure that quality service is delivered to our constituencies, right? From your social workers, a fire and rescue to other public safety folks to ADCI. Appreciate your changes to ADC, by the way, because I know those folks have been really looking for some help there too. Really looking after the folks that are in that engine of the county, making sure that folks have the best service every single day. And I'm going to run out of time here, so I'll just say, I think that needs to be taken to account. We have all these discussions around cuts and moving things around because really, you have a clear vision with your budget. I think we need to really take that into account. Thank you, Madam Chair. All right. I just had quickly on slide 13. No, sorry, it's not slide 13, slide 15. I just had a quick question. And I apologize if we discussed this previously. The redevelopment fund preserve. In the future, something like the redevelopment slantist language study, are we going to be able to use that fund to pull from a study like that? For a study like that? Because we talked about that fund, but we really didn't set enough parameters. The redevelopment fund itself would ultimately become a part of our principles. And so in the same way that Michelle earlier today went over the various funds and how we supply or support those funds. If and when the board decides we would ultimately be coming back with a recommendation that this become baked, if you will, into our principles. The study itself really is a precursor to the fund. And once the fund is established in my mind, the fund is similar to the Housing Trust Reserve in that it sparks economic development. So what the study will tell us is what we need to be doing locally to help spark interest, to pull property together, where we need to assemble property for economic development purposes, and how we spark that activity. Once we are done with this study, and I believe we do have some work that's already been done internally, we would then be in a position to really recommend how we fully leverage the fund and even how we bake it in. I don't know if Michelle, if you wanted to. Yeah, if I can, just real quick. So the redevelopment opportunity fund reserve, you can think about your EDOF, the economic development opportunity fund reserve. It creates incentive options for you to incentivize economic development. This would be for redevelopment. The study itself could help not only with setting assemblage, but there are ordinances that could be passed to put specific type of zones, for example, in place that could incentivize development. So we would use that consultant money to help figure out what our toolbox should look like. What tool should we put in that toolbox? Well, no, what I was gonna say in our apologies, let me clarify my question is, yes, that will spark the need for this fund reserve. However, there may be times where we're gonna need maybe additional studies to look at redevelopment. So that's what I'm sorry, let me clarify. So let's say five years from now, we have this fund. But maybe there's another area we want to develop or something changes. In the future, can that fund also be used for studies, or is it just going to be used for projects? Because again, we haven't necessarily defined it. Sure, so that would be a board policy. The principles are your policy. So as we craft those, for example, the EDOF we have used EDOF funds to help fund to consultant studies. That would be a board policy. The principles are your policy. So as we craft those, for example, the EDOF we have used EDOF funds to help fund to consultant studies for various things that we've considered for economic development purposes. So I think that is a board decision that could be incorporated into those principles. All right, thank you, Christina. Hi, we didn't need you, but thank you for coming. I appreciate it. Love you, girl. Nice. man like that but all right really that I'm just trying to look quickly look at my time. The only thing I just want to say, and I want to reiterate, is that next week is markup. Next week is when we really get the arm wrestle, bring out your lucky rabbit's foot, lucky penny, whatever we want. Because some of the comments, people of the comments, you know, people are talking about the budget, but I just want to remind everyone, next week is where we're going to set the tax rates, that's when everyone's going to have the calculators. And Mr. Sinclair, you'll be free soon thereafter, you know. You'll be free, you'll be free me until next year, or until, you know, you guys are having the discussions. around. It's your round but okay but maybe you'll you know get some sleep. Silver is a weird thank you madam I mean, we hear this every year. It's a zero based budget. Revenue's match, expenditures, and then every year, as has been pointed out, repeatedly we run a surplus. So that there's no fat in the budget or wiggle room. And I've said this at every budget meeting I've ever been at for the last 45 years, the skeptical side of me doesn't buy into it. There is always room for adjustment. It's just a matter of what priorities we're gonna find and what are we gonna force the residents and the businesses to subsidize. Understanding the need for improvements in government operations, great, but growth for growth is safe as it was washed with me. I think there's still a lot of room in this budget, and I think there's a lot of room created by the initial decision in the proposed budget to leave the rate flat, but not the actual tax rate flat, which increases the revenues markedly and then leads to an expectation by the school division. My personal view is we should have probably started off with a budget that projected a flatter real tax than a flat tax rate. So my goal is to get closer to the flat tax rate or excuse me the actual flat tax payment bill. It doesn't appear given their budget ask, that that will impact the school division because they've got a lot of wiggle room built into that delta between the proposed allocation and their budget request even with their wish list, but it will require that the county either take advantage of the remainder of that delta that was marked towards the school division or reduce its expenditures in some form or fashion and I guess arm wrestle that over next arm wrestle over that issue next week But there are a lot of places to do it and you know know it may require a fundamental mind shift in terms of how we approach the revenue sharing agreement and what it actually means if indeed the school division even with their wish list is funded at something below 57% because they didn't ask for it or actually don't need it by their own admission. It gives us a little more wiggle room but that's something we're going to have to address next week. All right. Thank you. It doesn't look like anyone else in the queue. Again next week. Everyone get comfortable. Be ready. Do your push-ups. I don't know Pilates will retain will prepare me enough But I'll try thank you sir even miss mr. Shorter. Thank you. Thank you mr. Tree. Mr. Sinclair All right We are going to I'm waiting for the sheets Because we are actually going to go public hearings. And just so everyone understands I'm going to do the public hearings for 13 and then 14 then we do public comment time and then we adjourn. And so public hearings that is for the items listed on the agenda. I think we have some people who meant to sign up for public comment time but I can't stop you. I've got all the sheets. Okay. All right, we are on to agenda item number 13 and that's the public hearings for items 13A to 13I. And that's where we're going to be talking, getting additional comments for budget, computers and peripherals, solid waste user fee rates, stormwater management fee, parks and rec fee schedule, building development fee schedule, land development fee schedule. So with that, I am opening and also Fire Martial fee schedule. I'm sorry budget and appropriate remaining balances for purchase orders and contracts, small project construction balance, et cetera. So with that, I am opening the public hearing for 13a through 13i. When I call you, please make your way to the back of the room. You will have three minutes to speak, unless you are with an approved 501C3, which case you have five minutes to speak. I am going to call up. I have two people listen. I have Nelson Head and Steven Amato. Again, please say your name and where you generally reside. We need that for the public record. Madam Chair before we begin parliamentary inquiry since these are actually multiple public hearings can we give them a little leeway on their three minutes as opposed to one public hearing for each one of these things. So we can do so for 13 all those are open at once time where you're saying you want to give people additional time if they want to speak to different items. They're advertised as separate public hearings as my understanding therefore. So ideally would get three minutes for a topic. Fourteen. A little generous if we could. Well, so I just wanted to say this. 13, a through i that is advertised as one hearing and those are all opening at the same time. Public hearing for 14A the proposed real property tax increased that is separate. So those are that is separate. So that is how it was advertised. You know Mr. Head if you'd like to go ahead. Are you ready? Okay. I'm Nelson Head. I'm one of the owners of Dixie Bones. I shouldn't talk longer than three minutes. If you do, you need to get a hook and pull me out of here. I enjoyed hearing the budget meetings. I've not ever been to one before, and I've enjoyed listening to that. And one of the things that struck me was the funds that you're trying to set aside for economic development. And what I wanted to talk to you about tonight are businesses that are already here that are having trouble. And that's the restaurant industry as a whole. Restaurants in Prince William County, like those around the country, are really struggling right now. Boston Market is closed, Fridays, Red Lobster, Hooters, just numbers and numbers of restaurants, even small ones like Padrino's just recently closed. The problem is that I go over a little bit of economics when a customer comes in and you hand them the check, they look at the check and they make a decision at that point, are you know, is this a fair price or not? And if it's not a fair price in their mind, they won't come back. And what happens is as the prices go up, it's just an economic function, as prices go up, demand goes down. Since COVID, restaurants in this county, like all over the country, have had all of their prices and all of their cost and all of their goods go up. Inflation pushed the food up. And as a result, fewer and fewer customers are eating in our restaurants. The 4% meals tax that you added several years ago just compounded the problem. And as a result, restaurants in this county, like ours, have had their volumes significantly shrinking, and our employees as a result are fewer. For instance, before COVID, Dixie Bones, we had 40 plus full time and part time employees. And now we employ 20. We've lost that many people because of the volumes. When the meals tax, you would think that I've heard it argued, let's put it this way, I've heard it argued that if you can afford 4% more on your meal, you shouldn't be eating out. That's exactly what's happening. The greatest thing, I know the restaurants are in trouble and I just want you to know that the best thing you can do to help all of the small businesses in this county is to remove the meals tax from that burden. Right now, if you did that, you would allow restaurants to lower their prices by $40 million a year. That's a significant amount of money. And that would take that burden off of the small business and allow them, they allow They're customers enjoy the meal and in order their employees to make money to doing it. You heard from, well I'm out of time now so, but that's really what I want to say. The single most important thing you can do to save the restaurant industry during these hard times in Prince William County is allow them to lower their prices. Thank you sir. Thank you very much. So real quickly I apologize Mr. Abado I called you up for this one you're actually for for a did you want to speak to this agenda item the third no all right so is there anyone else thank you sir who wants. Who wants to speak to agenda item 3A? Let me start 13A through 13A. All right, there is no one else who wants to speak to 13A through 13A. So I am closing the public hearings for 13A through 13A because we also do not have anyone remote to believe. No one remote. All right, we know we don't have anyone with most speakers today. All right, so I'm gonna move into, again, thank you. Everyone who comes out and speak, we are going to move into the public hearing for agenda item number 14A, that's to propose real property tax increase. I have one person who is signed up to speak, so I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing for 14A, the same rules apply, sir. And if you would like to go ahead. Good evening, Board of County Supervisors, Madam Chair. My name is Steve Amato. I'm from the Ocaquon District. As I've made remarks on April 1st to the board about surpluses and how the past six fiscal years, which the data I was able to attain through Freedom of Information and Privacy Act requests, showed we had over $255 million in surpluses. As Supervisor Wehr has addressed in his comments, we've worked towards a great budget, but yet we're generating a lot of surplus. And how does that surplus give back to the average property owner? Because 52% of our revenue in each fiscal year is from property taxes, the real estate property taxes. So I'm hoping I could bring up the mission statement here of the Boy Count Supervisors just for a little review that it's not coming in too clear. But the reason I bring up the mission statement is out at outlines great aspects of how the county government is to work for citizens. And one of the key areas is the involvement of the citizen in the county government, such as these forums with public comments. Once again, I'm a proponent along with other citizens I've spoken with to lower that real estate tax rate to 0.88. I'm glad to see 0.90 was proposed. Times will be hard. We're hearing about all kinds of different actions within the economy tariffs, the unknowns. While those unknowns are definitely going to be hitting the property owners. And with that, again, looking back at six fiscal years where there was surpluses provided in revenue, none of that went back to the citizens who provided that 52% of revenue in every fiscal year budget. So if the county schools have to take a reduction, they have to take a reduction. Maybe they don't get 33 dean of students. Maybe they get five, why is the purpose of deans of students to standardize discipline? In my era, the principal and assistant principal were the ones that made the discipline to students. So maybe that needs to be adjusted. Everything has to be adjusted. And I look to the board to make those hard decisions. We might not have to have a lot of different programs and nice programs and wonderful things that would be great. But reduce the rate to 0.88 and I'll address this further in public comment time. Thank you All right. Thank you so much if there is there anyone else who wants to speak to agenda item no 14a All right, I am going to go ahead and close the public hearing for agenda item 14a as we have no remote speakers. We are now going into agenda item number 15 and that is public comment time. Right now I have one person signed up Mr. Armado if you would like to. We missed you. Where this wasn't gonna be a one person show but I just trying to bring the overhead up. Leave the again Board of County suit voters, Madam Chair. My name is Steve Amaro. I'm from the Ockermann District. A second issue that I'd like to address to the board, which definitely has impacts to every fiscal year budget is the growth of the Prince William County in the aspect of employees. Full-time equivalent, FTEs. So the past seven fiscal years from FY19 through even to today's, this fiscal year, 2025, we have pretty large growth in FTEs. I'm not going to explain each year, but you can see them there. What those years are. And the grand total is 618.9 FTEs over the past seven, including this current fiscal year. Data obtained by Freedom of Information and Privacy Act. And I also put on here what those surpluses were for the past six fiscal years. And I've run budgets before in two different careers that I've been in. But in 2019 fiscal year, the authorized FTEs for the full county, this does not include school. There are no school FTEs in this data. It was 4,802.89. Currently for FY 25, that authorization is 5,374.86. So that is an 11.9% growth. So why has the board approved such high government growth of FTEs? And I'm sure the board realizes that with every one of these FTEs, these FTE, it's a must pay bill because of personnel costs. Well, I'm not sure the 618 plus FTEs are really providing great assistance to our county. Property owners are paying high level taxes. So our recommendations again are lower the personal property tax rate to point eight eight. Reduce the high growth of FTEs and every fiscal year's budget. It's going to reach a point of being unsustainable and increase that data center tax rate. the past four years, the majority board party has touted about getting a lot of revenue from the data centers. Well, let's see that happen. Let's do that. Thank you. All right. Thank you so very much. And that concludes public comment time for today. So let's go on to agenda item number 16. Move to it. Second. All right. Thank you, everyone. Next week is going to be markup. So be written. No, I'm still I'm talking. We're going to I want to talk. La la la la la la la la la. Thank you very much, everyone. Let's go home. Thank you.