Good evening and welcome to the regular schedule meeting of the City Commission for Tuesday, 13th of May 2025. Let's come to order. Please join me in silencing your cell phones. Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner Perine here. Commissioner McGurk here. Commissioner Ashley here. Vice Mayor Martin here. Mayor Cleveland here. Thank you. Welcome to the city's commission meeting. This is our city's business meeting. We're delighted you're here. We see more people than normal are here so just some fire safety things. The main exit is through the back behind you. Should we have an incident? I'm don't anticipate one. There's another exit right behind this dia's here. So if you find we're in an emergency and you need to get out you can't get out the back. You can get out the front of the building on this side here. So I want anybody to know that. And now, Police Department Chaplain Sheila Turner will deliver the invocation. So please rise and remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. according to Psalms 24 verses 1, it states, God owns the earth in everything within it. There is a time and a season for everything, including tonight. Let us pray. Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you for this day. We thank you that you have assembled us together to reason together in this great city of New Sumerna Beach, Florida. Give us the wisdom and the knowledge to do the The thing to please you and your citizens and Residents of this city In Jesus name we pray Amen and amen. Amen. Thank you Chaplain I appreciate that and now eight year old second-grader Stratton Hathaway. Second-grader at Chisim Elementary, the third generations of Hathaway's born in Halifax Hospital will come forward and help us through the Pledge of Allegiance. Stratton, come on up. Applegial agents to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. You may be seated. Stroughton is the big sister to her five-year-old little sister Caroline. Kayla and Spencer Hathaway are the parents. The grandparents are here in the room, my colleague and former mayor James Jim Hathaway and his wife, Paul, are here. Mayor Hathaway, in your building, the building is named for Mr. Hathaway. Mayor Hathaway, welcome. We're delighted to you and your family are here. Thank you so much for joining us. We have a series of proclamations at this time, I'd like to invite, let's see, Mike and Pat Stubbs to come forward and Scott Reese to join the Commission and I at the podium for a proclamation about ALS. Let's get this. for May, which is ALS Awareness Month, whereas Amiotrophic Laterals Chlorosis known as Lou Gehrig's disease is a progressive and fatal neural degenerative condition that causes damage to the brain and its ability to lose connections with the muscles leading to the gradual loss of the ability to walk, talk, eat, and ultimately breathe. And whereas thousands of new ALS cases are reported annually with an estimate showing that every 90 minutes someone is diagnosed with the disease and someone dies from the disease. And whereas the average life expectancy for individuals with ALS is just two to five years from the time of diagnosis, and despite significant research efforts to extract the cause of ALS, it remains unknown, and there is currently no cure. And whereas individuals who have served in the military are at higher risk from developing ALS and dying from the disease than those without military service. Ensuring access to new therapies, durable medical equipment and communications are critical for improving the medical quality of life for those with ALS. Whereas clinical trials play a pivotal role in advancing treatments, enhancing quality of life, and developing assistive therapies for those affected by ALS. And the ALS Association is the largest global philanthropic founder of ALS research, having committed more than $154 million to support over 550 research projects across the United States and in 18 other countries. And whereas the ALS Association is committed to accelerating research and discovery driven by hope that one day all ALS will be livable as a disease for everyone everywhere until a cure is found. And whereas ALS month provides an opportunity to raise public awareness of the challenges faced by those living with ALS, acknowledge the profound impact the disease has on individuals and their families. And support research efforts aimed at eradicating this devastating disease. Now therefore, I, Freddie Cleveland, the mayor of the city of New Sumerna Beach, to your herbivoclaim the month of May, 2025, as ALS Awareness Month, I call upon all citizens to support ALS research. Advocate for increased funding, and stand in solidarity for those affected by this relentless disease. And when is where I have here and to set my hand this 13th day of May 2025. Thank you both of you for coming forward and receiving this trachlemation. We're behind you. We're with you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. The commission can remain. We've got one to go. I'd like to have our director of maintenance operations, Mr. David Ray and his team come forward for a proclamation and a name change. Most of us know Mr. Ray and his team as the maintenance operations department for the the city ofomurna Beach. From this day forward, his team, David's team, will be known as the Newsomurna Beach Public Works Department. All right? The City of Newsomurna Beach has a proclamation and recognition of National Public Works Week, whereas Public Works professionals focus on infrastructure, facilities and services that are vital to the important, sustainable, and resilient communities, and to public health, high quality of life, well-being, and well-being for the citizens of Newsomernabeech, and whereas this infrastructure, facilities and services could not be provided without dedicated effort of public works professionals who are engineers, managers, employees at all levels of government and then the private sector, who are responsible for rebuilding, improving and protecting our nation's transportation, water supply, water treatment, solid waste systems, public buildings, and other structures, and facilities essential for our citizens. And whereas it is in the public's best interest for the citizens, civic leaders, and children in New Sermon Beach to gain knowledge and maintain an ongoing interest in understanding in the importance of public works and public works programs in their respective communities. And whereas 2025 marks the 65th annual National Public Works Week sponsored by the American Public Works Association and the Canadian Public Works Association. Now therefore I, Fred Cleveland, the mayor of the City of Newsemen Abedites, do here I designate the week of May 18th to 24 of 2025 as National Public Works Week and urge all citizens to join representatives of the American Public Works Association and government agencies in activities, events, ceremonies, design to pay tribute to our public work professionals, engineers, managers and employees and recognize their substantial contribution, the ones they make for protecting our national health, safety, and advancing our quality of life. And witness where I have here and to set my hand this 13th ceremony for the annual mayor's fitness challenge. So before we start, I want to thank the amazing Leisure Services team led by Rob Salazar. Mr. Salazar, are you here? I'd like to thank all the areas. Thank you, Rob. The Leisure Services Department, local sponsors, health professionals, and of course all of the volunteers. This challenge was about building a stronger and healthier, more connected community. Thanks for everyone for making it a successful event. This year's challenge was a huge success with over eight weeks of participants. lost an average of eight pounds a piece showing incredible dedication and commitment for healthier lifestyles Truly a wonderful experience for everybody that was involved to enjoy our beautiful city parks and Venues and take full advantage of Florida's cooler weather months The challenge gave us the opportunity to start the year strong working towards our personal goals and setting the tone for months ahead. I have the winners now. Third place for the women's is awarded to Elizabeth Jones. Liz Jones are you in the room. place men's winner is John Burke. Is John in the room. Our second place, female winner is Catherine Prager. Is Catherine in the. APPLAUSE Her partner in crime, the second place, males winner is Kent Prager. Kent, come forward. APPLAUSE And the drum roll for first place and $500 prize in black suitable for framing to Kimberly Higgins, first place. And the first place men's goes to Dennis Robbie. Dennis. All right. And the team has the plaquesques right here behind us and congratulations to all of you. If you haven't done Mayor's Fitness Challenge, it's a lot of fun. Please come out for first two weeks of the year, every year. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Very good. Thanks, sir. I want to pause for a moment and recognize that we have a new Pope. It's the first American Pope, and it's been a boost for our country and a boost for religious orders whether you're Catholic or not around the world. So I think it's appropriate for us to at least recognize that at our meeting and so I've done so. I'm delighted to see everybody here tonight. We're going to conduct our business meeting just like we normally do. There's no cheering or jeering in this room. We conduct ourselves in a business-type fashion. We will halt the meeting. Should it not remain so until we can regain order? I'm delighted you're here. We have a variety of issues to go through tonight. Not the least of which is the Deering Park proposal that's coming forward. And so you'll have an opportunity to speak to the commission. There's two sections for public participation. The first section for public participation is about general items that do not include during park. If you want your testimony beyond the record, I'll ask you to wait until we open the public hearing for during park. Mr. Manager Managers there any changes to the public agenda? Yes sir just one change the item that you just mentioned during park is listed on the agenda is item 10b it will be moved to agenda item 9b. 9B, it'll be moved up. Very good. So under quasi-judicial hearings. Thank you so very much. And we're anxious for your reports or whenever you're ready. Yes, sir. Just a few notes that I wanted to make. First of all, I wanted to introduce to you and to the public our new parking and mobility director Steve Mentergrill, Steve is right over here. Not lost on me that I'm probably not doing him a favor tonight by introducing him to this many people, but here he is. Starting up from the last meeting, we had a number of comments from citizens about rumors of road paving in the North Beach area. Those are just rumors, and we have no plans to pave any of those roads, and that has been commuted, communicated back to the citizens. It Spent a lot of time over the last couple of weeks meeting with all of the different city departments in our initial budget meetings, continuing to meet this week with the finance department staff and next week we'll begin your individual meetings with me and the Finance staff so that you can get your first briefing on where we stand with the budget. The Finance Department did issue an invitation for BIDs on May the 6th for the 27th Avenue Board War and Ramp Replacement Project. So this area was damaged during some of the recent storm events. It's been an obvious state of disrepair. It had a lot of inquiries about when we would get started on this project. The BID deadline is the 10th and the bid opening is June 11th. It will take us a while to get the contract approved and awarded by the Commission and contract signed, but we should be underway with that project during the summer and months. And finally, wanted to mention to you the conclusion of at least the current session of the state legislature. A number of bills were passed. One in particular generated some discussion. That's Senate Bill 180 and expect that will have an impact on the city. And if I might impose upon the city attorney just to give you a Quick overview of that legislation and what it means to Actually, that'd be very helpful So generally what it did is says if you are impacted by a hurricane the city cannot impose Strictor land development regulations and things for a year post hurricane. However, there was a section added at the very end regarding cities who were located in a county that was listed in the federal disaster declaration for hurricanes Debi Haleen and Milton, which that is us. And it says that we may not propose or adopt more restrictive or burdensome amendments to our complaint or land development regulations before October 1, 2027. The kicker is as retroactive to August 1, 2024. So this, if signed by the governor, would render our new stormwater regulations void ab initio, meaning they're just as if it never happened. So just for clarification for the public, this is not just gibberish, this stuff you should know. The house in the senate passed, what's the bill, $1080? $180. $180. Pass this bill, it's waiting for the governor to sign. So the very restrictive stormwater management rules that Newsom Arnaud, the strictest in the county have passed, will be ruled invalid. And we will never be allowed to impose any stricter stormwater management regulations than the state designates. Just so you know that. One day, one day you hear that up front. So I'm sorry to tell you that because we've worked long and hard and many of you were here because your commitment to stormwater management. But that is the direction the state has had. Are there others? Well, just that we can't do anything before 10127. You know, it during park tonight. However, the developer has voluntarily agreed to adhere to our stricter storm water standards by incorporating it into the agreement. So that's some good news for us. That's just good. Thank you very much. Any more, Mr. Manager? There's one other announcement sir. Thursday May 15th at 5 p.m. in these chambers we will have a workshop. Of course that is open to the public. During the workshop you will discuss sign regulations, landscape regulations and propose sidewalk project. right here in this room at what time? Thursday at 5 p.m. Thursday at 5 p.m. Here if you want to talk about sign commercial signage or landscape regulations, right? Okay, and that's a workshop. It is correct. Okay. That's all I have. Thank you sir. that. Okay, and now we'll open to public participation with some rules. The rules are we're not gonna do anything other than what we normally do, which is a three minute opportunity to have a monologue, not dialogue. We won't be answering questions. It's your opportunity to tell the city commission what you think about something, accolade for a city staff member concern you might have about your neighborhood anything that might be on your mind pertaining to city business. So that that is the only restrictions got to pertain to city business. And so at the end of that when you come up forward you'll see a green light come on that means you have three minutes when the yellow light comes on you'll have one minute remaining and then you need to be done at the red light and be dismissed if there's an action item in your conversation the city clerk and the city manager will get back in touch with you okay and so when you come up your name and address for the record if you don't mind we're anxious to hear what you have have to say. It's the commission's favorite part of the meeting. We get to hear directly from you what you think. Remember my comment about if you have something to go on the record for during park, please wait till the public hearing, which is a couple items down, and then you'll be heard at that point. So any items of a general nature ranks just to have you come forward, please come forward your name and address for the record, please. Anybody for public participation? Hello, Jess. Yes, your maelos, David A. South's group of street. Please lift that up and say it again slowly before we hear you. Yes, ma'am. Senator Easthouse, Gryppestreet. My, my, hey, hey, Deer and Park is here to stay. Easy to burn out and to fade away. You pay for this. They give you this, but you pay for that. Mr. Mayor, I have some questions in regards to the PUD. So mine is kind of long so I'm going to take two times to do this here. I'm happy to say that I'm for the first time able to go through a whole PUD. I've been a whole PUD. I've been a couple of workshops. You guys know that and I was happy to see on the VNP copy. Jess, you know this won't be on the record for the public hearing. I'll come back, but I want the lawyer, Mr. Torch, to hear this so he can answer that after doing the public there. Okay. So on the paragraph four, it says they have to build 500,000 square feet of something. They don't say what. But then we go to on a PUD on page six, I believe it, I'm sorry, page 12. It defines what they're going to build. It's a pad ready. And pad ready means you provide vehicle access. You provide water. You provide sewer utilities and capacity for storm water. Then I go, hmm, all right. So then you go over to the header here somewhere. The phasing of it. Development criteria for the district. Non-residential. Number one, minimum area 5,000 square feet lots minimum with 18 feet Then it says they could be combined for the requirement of the facility that they want great so then we go to page 21 in the phasing priority Now in this part is interesting because they talked about you cannot build any houses until you've made certain criteria. And the criteria says that three years after this in the remiss sign, we said no site plan or the subdivision plan residential shall be submitted to the city until the minimum half a million square feet of non-residential completed construction and site plans for another half a square feet has been approved by the city. Completion of construction shall be defined as a construction of a building that has received a typical occupancy. So now I'm a developer. What do I do? I get a fight out of square foot lot. I put a little trailer on there and when you say criteria, I build something. Now I have met the criteria on this bottom here. Am I wrong with the storage? Please tell me that I'm wrong when you come up here. So if you can build something now, you met the criteria, you keep on building the whole house that you want. You don't have to build anything else in there. That's what I read it. Maybe I'm wrong. Thank you. OK, and so just for the record, I have I'd honest you twice now that this is not on the record for the hearing. You have spoken on the topic for the evening. All right, you had your three minutes. All right. Hello, Mike Boema, 3307 Modinoway in Venetian Bay. Appreciate you guys hearing us. I know it's gonna be a long night. Hopefully we are able to get through all the business tonight. I guess one of the things that hearing the new law that impacts the city's ability to change stormwater requirements and building requirements like that. I think one of the things that jumps out at me that you guys need to think about is how does that play in when we as a city start looking at changing easements or changing land use type of issues or zoning changes. So if something is, we may not be able to change what the storm water requirements are, but it doesn't say that we have to necessarily allow zoning changes. So if something is zoned that is protecting the storm water issues, maybe that's something to re-look at. That set aside, the reason I was really speaking is as a homeowner within Venetian Bay, I'm very involved with the community and with many of you. Appreciate your willingness to work with us as the home owners as we approach turnover from developer control. I just wanted to kind of follow up and say we are getting closer and closer to that turnover. I think everyone in the community in many parts of the city are looking forward to that. But just please remember as we get closer to that every decision and the interaction with both the homeowners and the developer as they're getting ready to turn over become very important. So please, as you're having those interactions please look at all of the sides and the impacts of any decisions made. We're going to be in a position where they have to start proving how they have met their requirements. Please hold them accountable to those requirements. Do not leave the citizens and the homeowners within that area holding a bag. So please pay attention to that. I know you guys have and they're again, we appreciate your involvement so far, but please see us through the end. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate your comments sir. Evening Mr. McKenna. Hi, good evening everyone. David McKenna 316 Lincoln Avenue. Have fun tonight. That should be a great time. Two things or two intersections I'd love to bring to your attention. The intersection of Flagler Avenue and Cooper Avenue and the intersection of Ocean and Cooper on beach side. Both intersections I think and a lot of my neighbors believe need to be four-way stops. I live about two blocks from Flagler and Cooper, and over the last, conservatively, three months have seen a number of pedestrians hit or closely hit, close to be hit, and a number of accidents that almost happen. If you're aware of that intersection you know during spring break, it's very, very busy, and our law enforcement folks who do a great job and post up there right at that intersection of Flagler and Cooper are constantly monitoring the activity of the vehicles that go through there. I think if that was a four-way stop, it would help our traffic flow immensely, and maybe our new traffic and parking guru can help with that. But also at Ocean and Cooper, cars tend to travel very fast, east, west, east on Ocean, and it's treacherous. and I think that the solve would be very easy just to slow things down for a way stop just like there is a pine in ocean just like there we have a traffic light at pine and flagler just interrupting that traffic flow right there would allow for things to be a lot more calm right in those two intersections so So that's my input for tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate your comments. Thank you, David. Thank you. Michael, I'm at 2407 Sachsen. Also have a business. Third in Sachsen, which you've been into, and thank you, Valley too. My concern is also with an intersection, third in Saxon, with the new development there. It's already awful. Waiting to turn for two or three light changes. I'm assuming something is going to be done, but I haven't heard anything. If it's a turn lane, maybe expedite that, it's already really bad. And with a new construction there, it's going to be way worse. So that's mine for tonight. So I appreciate that. Thank you, sir. Appreciate those comments. Anyone else for public participation? My name is Jennifer Peace. I'm with Southeast Volusia. I have a tattoo for humanity. I'm the director of operations And I just wanted to say thank you guys for everything you do And have a good time tonight Jennifer, thank you so much. Appreciate your comments. Anyone else for public participation? Hello, I'm Lisa Dunphy, 315 North Cause, when I drive pretty much four days a week up to the News Mournabeech Tennis Center on Route 44. And Route 44 is messed up. There are all kinds of potholes. The road is totally messed up. I'm really hoping that it's in the works to get repaved because I keep seeing all through the city, streets being repaved and that needs to be repaved. And then the other thing I'm gonna say is, I'm handicapped, I can't hear, and it would be nice to have closed captions up here because a couple of you, I did not understand where you said and some of you are very clear in your speaking, so that's just a suggestion. Thank you veryullin. Thank you so much, ma'am. Appreciate your comments. Anyone else for public participation? Good evening, Chris Berlin. 2811-Saxon Drive. First time coming to one of the meetings I've been watching them over the over the screens and on the pull them up on the internet able to see the people that are going to be able to see the people that are going to be able to see the people that are going to be able to see the people that are going to see the people that are going to see the people that are going to see the people that are going to see the people that are going to see the people that are going eliminating are already ignored light a little bit further south in that I would like to see if maybe the Commissioner the board or anyone can talk to the builder to see if they can just extend the rest of that sidewalk Through on the west side so you can at least have the light where you have control the traffic coming out because currently Coming out of public is one of the worst spots with people not paying attention when they're driving out. I believe it's a very safe concerned area as I've almost been hit a couple times just trying to cross there especially with a 90 degree angle. So I would appreciate if somebody could speak with a developer see if they're willing to add a little more concrete and finish that walkway and sidewalk on the west side of the road so it goes all the way up to third in the light. Thank you. Thank you so much. Appreciate your comments, sir. Anybody else for public participation? Good evening. I'm Suzanne Shiber, Wooddrink Green, Volusia. I want to thank you mayor for bringing up SB 180. And this was organization's letter. Dear Governor DeSantis, please do not sign SB 180 into legislation. Volucia County cannot afford for our local control to be further diminished. This bill will remove our ability to allow low impact development, achieve our stormwater projects, and the option to pursue a rural boundary. Senator Tom Leake came to Volucia days in January. He asked if residents believed in home rule. All answered yes. Home rule should not be part time. We should be allowed full time home rule, so please do not sign SB 180. Sign Suzy and Shiver. So I would ask the city to take a stand tonight. I think that all of you can probably agree that SB 180 would hurt, the legislation would hurt your residents in your city and outside of your city. So I would ask that you all come to a United Agreement and send a letter to the governor as a commission. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate your comments. Order. We're just going to pause. All right. I don't need to say it too many more times, right? Please, please don't do that. Anyone else for public participation? Seeing none public participation is now closed. We'll move on to the consent agenda items. Are there any of my colleagues that wish to comment on any of the items alpha? Through Mike any comments on any of them? Okay, I have a question on one, on FOX trot. Mr. Manager, that's the one about the CDBG for the West side. And I'm interested in knowing the $2 million that you and I went to this, to Tallahassee State House to try to get that if that comes through and this grant comes through will that be more than sufficient or still less than sufficient to complete all the projects we've you got in mind for that place. That will provide about 50% of the funding for that project as it's currently envisioned. So we would still have a way to go and we're still going to be looking for other grant. that will provide about 50% of the funding for that project as it's currently envisioned so we would still have a way to go and we're still going to be looking for other grant opportunities. Got it. So you're still looking for other grant opportunities. This this it won't be wasted. It won't we won't have to send any that money back. We will be able to use every bit of that money. Correct. Okay. Wonderful. Thank you. Would this any of my colleagues want to pull any of the items on the consent agenda? Very good. I'd entertain a motion then to approve consent. Move to approve consent agenda. Motion to approve the consent agenda is our second. Second. Madam City Clerk, please call a roll.'m sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry approval for a commercial storage facility at 666 Doris Street is there insight from Miss Doster on what the will of the applicant is? The applicant has requested that this item be moved to our next City Commission meeting of May 27th if you would agree. So motion to move to date certain which is which? May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May 20th May to the May 27th. Motion to move the item to the May 27th. Motion to move in a second. Second. Any conversation about that? And City Clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner Perine. Yes. Commissioner McGurk. Yes. Commissioner Ashley. Yes. Vice Mayor Martin. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. Yes. So this item will be taken up at the next commission meeting. Thank you so much. We'll move on to Quasi judicial hearings. I'm sorry, ma'am. We've completed that. Okay, so you're moving it to the Yes, ma'am. It's coming to the May 22nd. I'll see you back here. So Madam City Attorney, if you don't mind, would you please refresh and remind both the commission and the public the rules of Aquasad judicial hearing before we enter into it. Sure. So this is a special type of public hearing. It's Quasiad judicial. That means your decision tonight must be based on competent substantial evidence and information presented at this public hearing, which includes the agenda materials, the planning board recommendation, testimony presented at this hearing, and then in your deliberations. You have to make the decision based on the evidence in the record, much like a jury must do in a trial held at a courthouse. Your decision may not be based on any information received outside the hearing process. Strict rules of evidence do not apply during this hearing, but any comments must be relevant to the agenda item. So quasi-judicial, it has a specific definition under Florida law. Years ago, it was not this way, but the court changed the process from being a legislative decision to a quasi-judicial decision. So a legislative process is one in which the policy is created by the city commission, like when you adopt stormwater regulations, things like that. A quasi-judicial action is when you have the policy in place and you are applying particular facts to that policy. In a legislative proceeding, the commission can consider anything that the members of the commission consider important in making their decision including public sentiment or the popularity or public acceptance of a particular policy. A legislative action can be denied without competent substantial evidence based merely on any legitimate public purpose or concern. However, in a quasi judicial proceeding, the commission is not allowed to take into consideration public sentiment or the popularity of the request. As I stated before, this is quasi-judicial because we're applying facts to an adopted policy about rezoning to PUD. In this case, the applicant has the burden to prove that its application is consistent with the comp plan and the land development regulations. Citizens who want to speak on this matter can testify as to factual matters and any element of the case that would not require specialized training or specific academic degrees. Their testimony will be considered provided the testimonies backed up by established facts, studies or evidence that is not conjecture or based on a feeling. Non-expert testimony in a zoning case is permissible and can constitute competent substantial evidence if it is meets that criteria. Please keep in mind that Florida courts have made it clear that mere generalized statements of opposition are to be disregarded by the City Commission and making its decision. You must rely on competent substantial evidence. This is not a popularity contest and local politics can play no part in the decision-making process. Under the Florida Law, the City Commission's decision must not be based on your personal preference but on the evidence presented here tonight. And with that, I'm going to ask each of you do you swear or firm that your decision tonight will be based on the evidence and testimony presented tonight at this public hearing along with the written materials published in the agenda for this matter. Commissioner Perrine? Yes. Vice Mayor Martin? Yes. Commissioner Ashley? Yes. Commissioner McGurk? Yes. And Mayor Cleveland. Yes. All right, and with that, we're ready to start the quasi-judicial hearing. OK, very good. And so just for that's a lot of legal terms and some of us in the room are not attorneys, did you just tell me that I can't, if I feel a certain way, I can't vote on my feelings. Correct. You have to apply the facts to the adopted policy. Got it. Did you tell me that if I got a room full of people in the majority of the citizens say, I want this to happen or I want that to happen, can I use that in deciding when? Not unless there's been established established factual basis evidence that's not conjecture based on a feeling, and it would need to come from somebody with the credentials to give that test. Is it were a legislative procedure? I could do just that, right? Absolutely, legislative. Why is this not legislative one more time? It's case law. So they change, and change the case law said this used to be legislative. Now it's quasi judicial. So you sit here as a non biased judge. You have no preconceived notions and you're here to hear the presentations tonight and make your decision based on those. Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate that. consider ordinance consider ordinance 5124 which if adopted would rezone approximately 1600 and 18 acres located of land located south of highway 44 west of i 95 known as during park innovation center to a planned development unit from this current zoning classification of A1. Madam City Attorney, if you'll read the ordinance by title only for the second time, please. Ordinance number 5124, an ordinance of the City of Nismerna Beach rezoning 1,618 acres of property located south of State Road 44 in West of I-95 from A1 prime agriculture, forestry resource and conservation to planned unit development. Approving the Deering Park Innovation Center at Newsomernabeech Plan Unit Development, Master Development Agreement. Authorizing the mayor to execute the Deering Park Innovation Center at Newsomernabeech Plan Unit Development Master Development Agreement, providing for public hearing, providing for conflicting ordinances, providing for Conflicting Ornances, Providing for Cyberability, and Providing an Effective Date. Thank you, ma'am. The quasi-judicial hearing is now open. We'll first hear from the city. I see our Development Services Director, Shane Corbin at the podium, where anxious for your report, Shane. Thank you, Mayor. Okay, Shane Corbin, Development Services. I know you all have seen this presentation or a version of those presentation several times and I wasn't gonna try to fly through it, but I know we've got a lot of new faces here tonight, so I'm gonna take my time. We're here to consider the During Park Innovation Center of Plan Unit development. This is a mixed use development west of I-95, south of state road 44, where you can see on the map where the yellow star is located. It's approximately 1600 acres and once completed, it's envisioned to have approximately six million square feet of non-residential structures. And so that includes commercial structures such as restaurants, hotels, as well as light industrial mixed use tech, things of that nature. In vision 21, 2,150 residential units and 413 acres to be left in natural vegetation or conservation. It's approximately 25% of the total project. This has gone through several required approvals already. The first was a text amendment to the comprehensive plan making industrial mixed use, a future lane use category available at this site. So that was one thing that was done. That went to the planning and zoning board. God favorable recommendation came through you all and that was approved. The second was amendment to the future land use map to make this area industrial mix use. That also went to the planning and zoning board and got a favorable recommendation and then came through you all for approval. After that, it was sent to the state for consideration. It went to 40 different organizations, including Bonamil, limited to F.Dott and St. John's River Water Management District. every municipality in Volusia County, the county was looked at very extensively. Everyone was... water management district, every municipality in Volusia County, the county was looked at very extensively, everyone was okay with it. At that point in time we brought the PUD, what's in front of you tonight. In front of you for the first time, I believe that was in October. At that point in time you wished for more time. And since then there has been a series of workshops, other meetings with stakeholders, events held on site, tours given, bus tours, things of that nature. And so I think it was rescheduled for I believe that timeline is correct. To give you a little bit of broad history, in October of 2021, the New Smyrne Beach Economic Development Advisory Board hosted a public workshop with 110 Ds. Also had 45 survey participants, and out of that came three goals to diversify the tax base, enhance utilities infrastructure, and ensure a quality labor pool for the county. From that, they went on and had a leadership summit, which is the first place that we can find that the site was identified in an economic development plan. That plan was then adopted by this commission in October of 22. Within that plan, there's a couple of strategies. One is to prioritize three sites in New Samaritabeeche and make them shovel ready. And the priority site number one is the site that we're talking about tonight for Deering Park. Taking that momentum from those initiatives, Staff again, meeting with the applicant and the staff were talking about tonight for during park. Taking that momentum from those initiatives, staff began meeting with the applicant and developing a concept plan and then the first workshop. I'm sorry, I'm going back up. Yes, the first workshop was in December 14 of 2023 2023. Then when we get to the public meetings, starting with that workshop in December 14th of 2023, all of those meetings, all of those workshops, including the planning and zoning board meetings, and what we're seeing tonight, is a total of 17 public meetings that we've had on that. So it's been a bunch and that does not include the one-on-one meetings with staff or with stakeholders or the events or the bus tours. That's just 17 public meetings that we've had where people have had an opportunity to get up and voice their opinion on this or make recommendations on things they'd like to see different. And the best of my knowledge, the applicant has made all of the concessions that have been asked of them since we started this process. This is the cover to the Southeast Volusia Economic Development Strategic Plan. Here's the map where the site is first identified. So that several years Moving forward to what is the concept plan for Deering Park Innovation Center The main anchor is the area in purple which would be the mixed use industrial and tech center Radiating out from that you have higher densities next to that area and they gradually become less dense as they go towards the conservation areas. Up towards the north there's a mixed use commercial area with a 75 foot vegetative buffer between any development in state road 44. So, that's the general layout and the applicant will go into that in further detail. Some highlights. The innovation park is 423 acres. The mixed use commercial area is 136 acres. The mixed use residential village is 26 acres. 343 acres of the rental village. 452 acres of pure residential single family. They've also agreed to donate 50 acres to a regional park to the city for us to build whatever type of sports complex or amenities that we want to put on it. Another 18 acres, 10 for police and eight for Newsmer to Beach Utilities. And then again, 413 acres, approximately 25% of the total proposed site is proposed for conservation. Including this slide, I saw this going around today and there was discussion about this whole area being developed and 20,000 homes going in it and that's not what we're talking about. If you look up into the top corner here is what we're talking about for Deering Park and there'd be approximately 21 residential units total in that and while that seems like a really huge development, you have to look at everything that's in dark green. And when you look at that, we're talking about total of 70,000 acres that this owner has under their control. And of that, either 46,000 acres is either already in conservation easements or it's going to be in conservation easements and that equals about 71 square miles. So it's a really massive trade off conservation that we're talking about here. The whole city of New Smurndabych is about 40 square miles. So it's a conservation area that's going to be permanently put in place with layered easements with different people, different organizations on different easements so they can't be undone. That was one of the comments that we got at one of the workshops. And there's going to be public access. So essentially you'll have a large conservation area just to the west of Nusomer and Beach that will never be developed with trails and other amenities for the public to enjoy. Another opportunity to show you the kind of some scope here. This is the Turnbull Creek watershed that we've undertaken to try to purchase the property. That's about 175 acres and so far, if I understand correctly, we spend about $10 million on trying to acquire that property and take it out of development. Whereas here we're talking about 71 square miles, that's going to be done privately. As far as the reviews go, we have had numerous meetings with City Manager's Office, economic development and so forth. We have had a typical pre-application meeting that was available for public view. All of our technical staff was on that planning, engineering, building, utilities, fire, same with the formal review of the applications. And then again, as I mentioned earlier, sent to the state who distributed it out to 40 separate agencies. We all know that stormwater is a big issue. So we spent a lot of time talking about that in this PUD. Throughout the PUD, they clearly state they are not going to discharge any water towards Phoenician Bay or the New Sumerna Beach utility site. There are, and I'm sure they'll talk about this. They're going to discharge it into that conservation area to the south and to the west. All new development will have to meet the one-to-one discharge ratio. That's standard. What we were talking about earlier about the improved standards, that's the floodplain compensation that we have, that's stricter than anywhere else. That's the ratio of 1 to 1.5, meaning if you disturb a cup of floodplain, then you've got to make it up by time and a half. So I know it sounds strange, but by developing in a floodplain, you actually have to compensate more than you fill in. So you add capacity. Let's see. as far as the actual I know there's some desire to see this all planned out on the front end, but we're talking about very, very, very expensive engineering, lots of studies in a lot of time. And it doesn't make sense to do that in the development process on the front end if you don't have assurances that you can actually do your project. So I would assume if this does get approved, then they will go into that phase. Will they begin studying all the storm water in the discharge and coming up with a strategy for how they're going to handle it on site. But that will require approval by St. John's River water management district engineers as well as art city engineers. They voluntarily agreed to then take it to public hearings at planning and zoning as well as a city commission so that you all can get another, basically another look at it and say is but what they told us, are the engineers saying and agreeing with what they told us this was gonna do? So they voluntarily agreed to do that. In addition, they've agreed to a storm water bond, which we've never done in the history of the city, which would be 10% of the total construction for the first five years, construction of the stormwater system, and an additional 5%, I'm sorry, a reduction of 5% to the following five years, so it would cover 10 years. There would be an as built verified by staff, so we would make sure everything that they designed and everyone's approved. That's actually what is in the ground, and then there will be annual reports to come back to us. If at any time that system began to malfunction, we could shut development down. So there are safeguards there. A traffic is another issue that we know people are concerned about. There has been an initial rezoning traffic impact analysis that's been reviewed by FDOT, as well as our traffic consultant, and they have not shown any concerns about the data and the results they've got. In addition, any future development that comes in will be required to do an additional TIA. So if you get a restaurant that comes in, basically you're billed on that model. A new restaurant comes in, it takes the data that's already been produced. It adds the new trip generation into the model and if it says there's an issue, if a new traffic light is needed, the new traffic lane is needed, that's the point where we would get that information. We don't have it yet. So they're requesting approval of the plan unit development. I don't know if I hit on this clearly earlier, but it is consistent with the comprehensive plan. When we switched the future land use last year, the zoning actually is no longer consistent with the comprehensive plan. So ever since that's been changed, this property has had zoning that is inconsistent with the comprehensive plan. The proposal is consistent with the comprehensive plan and typically we want to be consistent with it. What establishes the zoning details, the conceptual plans with permitted uses, locations and densities, design guidelines, parks, conservation areas, trails, police, roads, utilities, et cetera. So that's all in this document. It's gone through technical reviews, it's gone through the planning board, it's gone through first reading. So now we're at the second reading for you all to make a decision this evening, and staff is recommending approval. And that's all I've got. I can answer a few questions, but you might wanna hear from the applicant first. Thank you for your testimony and your expert opinion. Is there questions or comments for our development service director? I have a few shame. Your tone is considerably different than the original tone I'd heard months and months ago before the 1817 public hearing meetings. What is it that's different than what you first saw that you see today that gives me the impression that you're on the side of approval. Tell me what has changed since the beginning or what is it now that you'd see that after you've been through these steps? That's my first question. I believe I've always been in support of it, but what really opened my eyes to it is when I realized the scope of the land that was gonna be put in conservation and what a massive conservation effort that is. You don't see that very often. And so this is, well, it looks like a big development, especially if you're not used to looking at development. It's actually conserving a lot more land when you think about it. And of course, that's free. So and it also meets the elements of what's considered conservation design where you cluster all your development near transportation and you conserve your wetlands and your other sensitive areas. It does that and that's been a pretty big movement across the country. I appreciate that and thank you for your, for weighing in on what your expert testimony is. Many of us are concerned that one and done and this is the end after we make a call on this tonight it's it's over. That's my uneducated view before I was able to talk to the manager. Would you walk through the next several steps and offer amps to stop halt blah blah blah so that we don't leave anyone with the impression that it's over after tonight. What are the other things that will safeguard exactly what was promised is delivered? That would get into the actual well the first thing is going to be the storm water. That's going to be the big thing. And so, they're going to bring in a comprehensive storm water plan. Again, that will be reviewed by St. John's River Water Management District, as well as our engineers. We could even bring in a third party engineer if that would make the commission more comfortable to get another set of eyes on it. But that's going have to accomplish the goals that are set forth of not discharging any water to the north and into the conservation areas. They won't get their permits if that data doesn't meet what they said it was gonna do. So that's definitely a hold up there. And then the traffic impact analysis, the same. Every project that comes in, we'll get to look at that again. And if something doesn't work, then we don't have to issue the permits. And then again, if we ever have the stormwater system failing. We can can hold permits similar that we did with Venetian Bay but it's actually spelled out in this MDA if it doesn't work we can shut that area of development down which doesn't say in the MDA of Venetian Bay. Thank you for that one last question. Assure me that you and your team have looked at this document and through all the changes that it has made and that you along with our legal team not in silo but in the cooperation have looked at every bit of this document. You and the attorney's team are the experts of this type of stuff. Commission is not the experts. It's not our job to go line by line, verse by verse, as amateurs, and evaluate what it is. It is your profession and the city attorney and their staff profession. Assure me that that has been done line by line, changed by change from start to finish. It has been done multiple times. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. And I think you're done for now and now we'll turn it over to the applicant. So don't go anywhere. We may have to ask you to come back. Mr. Storage Okay I was afraid this is I do Get it all set out for me. There we go. That's the one. Thanks. Yeah, right. Open. Okay. And how do we get this, just to this? Okay. Okay. How do we get this just to this? Well, I think it's like that. That's okay. Flag show. Yes. There we go. That's okay. We'll get back. Okay. Good idea. That's so. For the record, my name is Glenn Storch. And I've been representing this particular landowner for over 35 years. I don't know what that says about them. For the record, my name is Glenn Storch, and I have been representing this particular landowner for over 35 years. And so you can see, and it's interesting that Shane was mentioning this, how proud we are, that we have been able to preserve so much land without cost of the taxpayers. And we've done it in a way where we have worked together with various environmental organizations, including Audubon, to make sure that as we're doing these, it creates an actual habitat corridor that can then tie into the statewide habitat corridors. So the areas that we're actually preserving in Deering Park, Innovation Center, for instance, will all tie in to this massive 71 square miles of habitat corridors, just let you know. So I appreciate it, Shane going through all the time that we've spent on this. I hadn't recognized it was over three years that we've been looking at this, but it's certainly over two years that we've been working very closely with the city, with city staff, getting input from everyone we can to make this better. And the mayor indicated that what has been done to make you feel better about this. Well what's been done is that we have continued to work not just with the city staff, not just with the commission, but with the public with the residents coalition with anyone who wanted to participate. And every workshop we listened to everything that was said. We've incorporated much of what has been said during those workshops into this MDA. We've fine-tuned it and made it as good as possible. We've done this because of the fact that the owner is not required to do anything with this property right now. They don't have a mortgage on it. They bought this property to prevent it from being developed in some other manner that would be inconsistent with everything we have planned south of this property. And so that's why we work so hard. So the summits that we've gone through, the approval, the conference of plans, the workshops, the comprehensive plan is very important and I think Shane mentioned this. The comprehensive plan has now indicated that this land is industrial mixed use. You must find a use that is then consistent with industrial mixed use. The present zoning is inconsistent with industrial mixed use. The proposed zoning, as Shane has testified, the proposed PUD is consistent with industrial mixed use. Therefore, it would be consistent with the conference of plan and then would be legal to adopt. I should point out that if we don't work this to provide for this PUD and you leave it as it is, you are then going back to an inconsistent use to your comp plan. So that's something to address at least. We, I've been trying to be very clear as we walk through this process with every change we have made. When I attended the workshops, when I wrote down every thing that everyone said where I showed where I incorporated it, where I showed where we got the information from or the request from to do this, we did this. The last workshop, I wanted to go through and we have to clarify since this was from the fourth three version, we had to clarify everything that was put in after that workshop. So we have added the development company as a port to the agreement to ensure that the joint venture agrees to all the obligations. So we have, if you recall, there's a land on here. It's the Farmington North L.O.C. It's owned by the Deering Family. And we have entered into, well, let me put it this way. The Deering Family are not developers. They've owned much of this land, 60,000 acres of this land for 100 years, but they're not developers. They wanted to make sure that if you're done, it's done right. And the way they did this was by creating a joint venture. A joint venture where they had control to make sure that the vision that we have for all of this is continue to maintain. So we created something called the Deering Park Development Company. And that Deering Park Development Company, we have 50% interest in the entire company. We added the Deering Park Development Company as a party to this to make sure that when this is done, they are also obligated and the city knows are obligated. It's not just a landowner. Although I will tell you, the important thing on a PUD is this is a contract that runs with the land. No matter who owns it, all the obligations we put it there are required to be done by whoever owns it. It's going to be us, or when I say us, the landowner, or the During Park Development Company. Now, we've also provided a definition section for key terms. It was an concern that there wasn't, there was terms that didn't, they didn't understand. And so we've added a definition section for those key terms. We've clarified the construction, the definition of constructed. So I guess as Jess indicated, When you build 500,000 square feet of non-residential, it's not a shell game. You have to actually build 500,000 square feet of construction. And that has to be, have a CO. And no, you can't put trailers in there. You have to actually build 500,000 square feet of construction. And those 500,000 square feet of construction have to meet the architectural standards that are provided for in this MDA, in this contract. So no traders, we're good. I've clarified the number of hotel rooms that are permitted. There was a question as to whether or not we had 600 hotel rooms here and 150 here. It was actually 600 total and only 150 could be in the manufacturing area, in the business park area. We clarified the requirements for amenities within residential areas. So for instance, we want to make certain that when we have this quality developments are going in and again, don't forget the residential areas are not built until after that half a million square feet of non-resensual is constructed and another half a million is permitted. So but when it does eventually come about, we are requiring amenities for every single residential subdivision and site plan, apartment complex or whatever. We have clarified, again, learning from places like Venetian Bay, we have clarified those required amenities for each residential areas must be built prior to the COs are issued for 50% of the homes in the residential subdivision or residential site plan area. You can't just promise these things and not build them. So we put that in there. I don't think any of our people would ever do that. I know others have. We want to put it in writing and make sure it's in there. We've provided an additional exhibit to show the diagram of areas in which runoff from Deering Park Innovation Center is strictly prohibited. That's the areas that we talked about before, the Venetian Bay Area and the UC area. We've provided that any runoff through existing culverts east of Interstate 95 will be less than or equal to the amount of runoff from the undeveloped site. We've provided the time-frying requirements for correction of any issues with strong motor management systems after annual review of process for same. So don't forget, we again, learning from Venetian Bay, we have a requirement that requires us to actually do a annual analysis of our entire stormwater management system. And then give a report to the city to review it. We have to pay for it. If there is a problem and we need to fix something, we have timeframes now, we work with the city attorney to provide exactly what has to happen in a process for those things to be fixed. Otherwise, you shut us down for those areas that we just talked about for the for any further construction for those areas. So we will meet those requirements. We've clarified the stormwater management system bond process for the determination of the amount of the bond, for the requirement, for the bond prior to any work on site period. We've required that the Deering Park Innovation Center will provide stormwater capacity for structures in pervious surface on all the city-owned property, on the city-owned sports complex and the police parcels. So what that means is you don't have to build your own stormwater area. It gives you additional land to work with and you will then be part of the overall regional comprehensive stormwater management system. All that is, I don't want to say for free, but it does not cause a city anything for us doing that. We also, let's see here, we've also clarified that Williamson Boulevard alignment has been accepted and the right of way has been deeded to Volucia County already. We've clarified that the innovation standards will be responsible for providing road access and utility lines to the boundary of the city parcels at no cost of the city as part of the development of that section of During Park Innovation Center. So when it doesn't matter when you buy this land or when you take this construction control this land we are obligated to provide you road utilities and stormwater for your land. We have provided for low-speed vehicles and personal electric vehicles. All those vehicles must meet local and state regulations. We cannot have people running around on golf carts without them being registered and without having drivers license. It's that simple. The liability is too great. We will not allow minors to be using those vehicles. We are required to provide connections to allow low-speed vehicles to connect to the commercial village. So there's other alternatives to using automobile fields within those areas. We provided that uses within the commercial village area must comply with city noise ordinance. I think that was one of the issues that was raised at the workshop by one of the citizens. And the natural vegetation buffer between the commercial village and state road 44 is a minimum of 75. If you recall, this was originally a minimum 50 foot, we've expanded that to a minimum of 75 feet. We've clarified that the development of pad-ready sites to encourage industrial investment does not require financial contribution by the city. There was a concern that we were looking to the city to help pay for this. No. We will hopefully work together to attract investment to this area, but you will not be paying for any of this. We've clarified that only one accessory dwelling unit can be built on each single family lot. There was a concern that was not as clear as it should be. And that the accessory dwelling unit can only be built during the construction of the single family home. So for instance, if someone is buying the single family home and they say, you know, my mother is getting up in age, we should go ahead and build the accessory dwelling unit now as part of this. You can do it. After your home is built, it's too late. So that's something we're going to encourage people to do, but that's up to them. We're going to clarify, we've clarified that landscaping and architectural requirements for business and industrial structures, adjoining Interstate 95. So we want to make sure that everything, and this was against, these are staff comments, everything that we have as a visual alone 95 reflects the values of Newsborne of Beach. And you don't have areas for loading zones going up to 95. So those are some of the things we've talked about. We've clarified driveway areas and setbacks to provide parking. That was important. And so we've clarified that language to make sure that's there. We've clarified any parking areas permitted along streets so require widening of the streets in order to create designated parking areas again to avoid some of the problems we've seen in Venetian Bay. We've added cellular communication towers as I permitted use with all districts, because again, you're gonna need to rely upon cellular telephones in the future. You're not gonna really have land lines from what I'm seeing right now. We've prohibited any and all uses in the property that do not comply with the standards for avoidance of air pollution, and this is even in the business area. And that would be no noxious fumes, no smoke, or particulate matters, or orders. We've added places of assembly, houses of worships, and schools as permitted uses within the commercial village and residential areas. We've added amphitheaters as permitted uses within the city park, sports complex, and commercial village, and we've clarified that magazine holders in Kiosk not permitted on outdoor areas visible from the public streets. There was concerns that some of these magazine kiosk make people, they make an area like crashy, so we prohibit it. We've clarified that trees are required to be planted to provide shade to sidewalks, and shall be at least eight feet between the sidewalk and the curb to avoid root impact of the sidewalk and the roads. We've clarified that the conservation easement for non- or for natural vegetation areas shall have multiple beneficiaries, which is the layered conservation easements we talked about, including a minimum of one beneficiary that is an independent non-governmental conservation organization. We've added provisions to recognize that the use of reclaimed water reduces the need for fertilizer and during Park Innovation Center will provide educational material to homeowners encouraging a minimization of external fertilizer. We've provided that the master development agreement reducing any master development agreement. Any change, any amendment to the master development that reduces standards and changes the vision would require a super majority of the commission, which means not just a simple 3 to 2, you have to have at least a 4 to 1. We also had a couple of other points that we want to make sure that we've clarified. One of course is the thing that the city attorney mentioned. As you know, because of the fact that the state may be changing the rules as far as your storm water system, and we had always been negotiating with the understanding that the storm water system was the city standard, the very strict standard. We have agreed to incorporate that stormwater system as it is right now, indoor MDA. So now instead of a statute or an ordinance, it's a contract. And we've agreed at that. Also, there's a clarification as to the Utilities Commission site. Yes, Utilities Commission site. The eight acre site, we had always talked to them about the possible, the understanding that this was a eight acres of upland, no wetland site. We're clarifying it right now just as land. It doesn't say upland. So we're clarifying it's upland and how that is drafted. And I think those are the changes that we've made since then. I do want to talk about something else though. This two-year process, these workshops, the transparent nature of everything we've done, this has created a vision for what we have and what we all agree to. Hopefully, all agree to. Ford Deering Park Innovation Center. It's a good process and it's a model for the future. Because in this particular case, if you recall, the city identified this area for proper long range planning before the landowner actually proposed a use for the property. This wasn't our idea. It was the city's idea based on your economic development plans. The city then requested the landowner to assist in planning to meet the city's goals. And then the city, the landowners, the stakeholders, the citizens all worked together for over two years to work out the details and vision to achieve the city's goals. I would suggest in the future, because we've learned so much from working with citizens with the residents coalition, getting input from so many people. I've talked to probably a hundred people individually on these issues. And of course we've had bus tours, we've had stakeholders meetings. I learned so much. It's been good for the development of the plan to listen to all these folks, including, of course, you guys. By doing that, it makes for a better plan. And so I would suggest that the city look in the future at the idea of having workshops on zoning and compliance in the future, and also requiring neighborhood meetings, because that's been helpful to me. All right, so I wanna talk about a couple of few things now. You had certain city goals when you came to us, when you asked about us. And so the question is how do we have we achieved those city goals? So one was the achievement, the alignment and the transfer of Williams and Boulevard right of way. So now we have in our case the alignment and the transfer all the way from state road 44 down to state red 442. In addition, by the way, this helped the county work out the alignment for everything from Pioneer Trail to 44. So the last segments of Williamson Boulevard both critically needed. So this project has been helpful in that regard. When it goes, the creation of a business park with the potential for new jobs and tax base. So we went to team Valorant and we've talked to them a sample manufacturing operation that they've created. They are they indicated, indicate, created a job of one job per every 800 square feet of building that's been built. So if you apply this, just the approximately 2.4 million square feet, that's 3,000 jobs for that portion of the 6 million square feet. 3,000 jobs for our young people, for the people that will be, and good jobs, not manufacturing tech jobs, jobs that actually will pay people to stay and live and be able to live in New Sparta. One of your goals was to create a quality commercial village west of I-95 to provide for retail, hotel, restaurant, shopping, medical, and entertainment. You don't have that right now. Part of one of the things we learned from Venetian Bay was by putting the commercial area in the center of Venetian Bay, it hurt the development of that. In fact, some of that commercial area was transferred into multifamily. So what we've done is we created this area close to an area where people go past, which is next to Williamson, next to 44, but behind 75 feet or more of vegetation, so you don't see it. So you create a commercial village. And that's the sort of thing that all the folks from our community will be allowed, will be able to use, all the folks from South Village will be able to use because we've made connections between South Village and this area, and all the people from Venetian Bay will be able to use without getting on to 44 at all because they can go in these back roads now. now. One of your goals was the creation of a non-resential tax base. And you wanted that done first. You didn't want to wait for homes to be built. So you required a half million square feet of constructed non-resential areas and another half million square feet permitted ofiffy permitted of non-residential areas before any residential construction before any homes were built. And we've agreed to that. You had a goal of trying to reduce the reliance on residential for your city tax base. That's major. Right now your city tax base is a proximate 83% residential. As time goes on as cost increase the tax burden on residential citizens in New Spurnow will increase unless you find some way of shifting that burden and what this does according to all the calculations that we have reviewed, is this will shift the burden upon build out from 83% residential to 63% residential, which is an appropriate number. You had a request and a goal to have a sports complex west of 95 in the west port of town and of course acquiring land for that is not easy. And so you asked for a 55 acre parcel for sports complex. We added to that the stormwater capacity, the roads and the utilities that are provided. So you'll have a full scale 55 acres or more to build whatever you need out in that area. You asked for a substation site for the police because you already had a site for a fire station in South Village, but you needed something for the police. And so we provided a 10 acre site for the police station again, of stormwater capacity, road, and utilities provided. And we've done this in such a way, by the way, we looked at it from a planning standpoint. We put a lot of these uses together. So when we put the school site, or there's a 35-acre school site on this as well, they wanted to be near your sports complex, and the Utilities Commission wanted to be near your police station because it gave them more security. So it made sense. So you'll have basically a functional area there that will be nice for everyone to enjoy. One of your goals was conservation. So as Shane has indicated, you've spent $10 million for about 175 acres so far. This is 400 acres of perpetual conservation easements that are be tied in, that are required to be tied in to the 71 square miles of conservation we've already put into place. So all of that will be part of a habitat corridor that will connect and be within the Florida Wildlife corridor. I should also point out that all of this will be maintained by Daring Park at our cost. if if the city is a beneficiary, if they're on the, if they're a beneficiary of the conservation easement, they will be, we will be required to pay for everything as far as conservation of those conservation areas, as far as the cost of those conservation areas, which are considered will, by the way, I should point out. Ernie, why don't you come up here and talk about some of these other things the strong water management systems, because I think that's important. So we have looked at this. Good evening, Ernie Cox. I'm the president of Family Lands remembered, a little bit of my background. I started my career as a land use environmental lawyer more years ago than I'd care to admit. But for the past 19 years, I've been president of Family Lands remembered, which is a strategic consulting company. We work on large scale conservation projects throughout Florida and the United States. We also work on water resources projects, water quality projects and reservoirs. And then we do a little bit of sustainable development work. The project that's most relevant to Deering Park Innovation Center is a community in the West Coast called Babcock Ranch. 73,000 acre preserve, purchased by the State of Florida and Lee County for $350 million. And then the development of a sustainable new community that's actually been tested twice with hurricanes in the last five years. And that's relevant on the stormwater side because the same process that we're proposing and are required to use in Deering Park Innovation Center is the same process that we went through at Babcock Ranch. So the very first thing that'll happen if you all vote to approve tonight, the first thing we're gonna do is Mark Doust and his team and Chris Worshaw and his team, we're gonna do a lot of very detailed, very detailed engineering studies. We will collaborate very closely with the city on the studies that you currently have underway. We'll work on topographic information, we'll gather anecdotal information, we'll talk to a whole lot of people. So before we start actually drawing the details of a stormwater system, we'll meet with a lot of people and get a lot of information and do a lot of engineering. Then we'll be hearings on that design. So instead of just, here it is, we'll actually do some public workshops and hearings. And guys, let's bring in peer review. Let's talk about this. No construction until it's done. We'll go through the St. John's River Water Management District process. We will go through the process with the United States Army Corps of Engineers. We'll go through the city's stormwater process. And as was discussed earlier, we will commit to the city's stormwater ordinance as it has been adopted, regardless of what may happen with Senate Bill 180. And then independent has built survey. When it's done, we'll do a detailed survey We'll hand it over have an independent engineer survey or review it to make sure that we got it right Main incident annual review and then the the stormwater bond that we talked about Hopefully it may hit the right button There we go the storm system, we've spent a lot of time talking about what's on the screen on the left hand side, is the permitted stormwater system for Deering Park and Deering Park North and Deering Park Center in Edgewater. You'll notice that all the lakes are connected to each other. The lakes are oversized beyond what is required by the regulations. And the reason for that is we're starting to see storm events that are much greater than the 25-year storm, greater than the 100-year storm. So our minimum design criteria is 100-year, but the criteria we're actually designing to is let's be prepared for that big rain event. And so we would anticipate doing the same thing. We recognize there are some unique situations in New Sumerna just as there are unique situations in Edgewater. We've got to plan for that and we'll work on it. We haven't done that work yet, but we're committed to doing it. One thing I will mention, obviously we have started and we've now built three of the lakes, three of the ponds in During Park North. It is not complete yet. It has rained seven inches over the last weekend. The pons are in great shape, the area that we have not yet developed. We've just begun moving dirt. There's a lot of water out there, as expected. It drained a lot. What I could say is that the system, when it's completed, we'll do the same thing. With an asphalt survey, we'll bring the engineers out. We'll make sure it's going to be right before we put the first home or business or discharge off site. The other thing we're doing is we're doing low impact development. You see an exhibit on the right hand side that kind of shows how the ponds will be connected, but also the withdrawal shelves and the native plantings next to them. We will stabilize banks with behegas, which does not require irrigation once established, but we'll also go in and put cypress trees and we'll put withdrawal shelves in each of the lakes and we'll put systems in there. We're also going to talk a little bit more about native plants in a minute. But the first low impact development technique that we've used is the protection of 46,000 acres of land that'll never be developed. And one clarification, that land is actually been put into permanent conservation easements so far. So that's done when we get through the permitting process on during Park Innovation Center will add the additional lands into permanent conservation easements. Keep getting this wrong, sorry. The public bike trails are very, very important in this region. I think we had a speaker at the beginning talking about bicycles. We've worked very closely with the Florida Department of Transportation and the Florida Department of Environmental Protection to connect a seven mile segment of the Sun Trail bicycle network through a portion of the Florida Wildlife Corridor. And DOT, we just got approved today from the Deering Park Stewardship District, the grant agreement for the design of that trail network and we're fingers crossed, optimistic, they'll be funding and DOT's budget for next fiscal year for the construction of that trail segment connecting. Touches the tiny bit about native landscaping, this is a New York pattern book that's been created by an organization called the Outside CoLab that were members of. It's a group of nurseries. The original idea came from the program for resource efficient communities at the University of Florida, Dr. Pierce Jones and his team. And what they've been able to prove at a community called Sunbridge is that using native landscaping and the techniques in the New York pattern book is the irrigation need goes down to 20% of conventional irrigation. And so we're really, really excited about this. There's a lot of details we're going to have. We're going to need some help on this. Educating homeowners that they don't necessarily need an entire yard of St. Augustine grass. But we got to make it look pretty and we're excited about this. This will be incorporated into Deering Park, North and Center and Edgewater and also be incorporated in Deering Park Innovation Center. Natural vegetation buffers, this is on the right hand side a visual of the area next to the welcome center in Daring Park that will permits have been issued construction on that will begin hopefully in the next couple of months that will be the first building in Edgewater in Daring Park and then the tree line streets along the roads. We're going to oaks and maples and plants native to this area to provide shade. They won't be full grown when they go in, but they will grow over time. This is actually a rough rendering of what we think the entrance could look like coming off of 44. And with the Deering Park and trails for bicycles, trails for pedestrians, understated view, but using that buffer that's there. And in here again kind of a blowup of what we think it's gonna look like. So it'll be very different than what you're used to seeing with other development in town. This is the Welcome Center I'd mentioned earlier in Edgewater. Amenities, we spend a lot of time talking about amenities. This is one that will be under construction within the next year in Edgewater. Don't think New Sumerna Beach will be exactly the same, but same concept. Every residential neighborhood will have an amenity appropriate to that neighborhood. And we're gonna build them before 50% of the homes have been sold. This is a little bit of the town square concepts from Edgewater just to give you a visual of some of the things we're doing. You'll notice in the left hand corner the bright red gearing tractor. We're searching for authentic gearing tractor to put in gearing square. And pretty excited about that. Which leads me to I want to bring up David Fakman, who's joining us from Chicago to say a few words. Well, I try to find this video. Yeah. I'm going to get you to this. Yeah. No more. Just open it and then you push it back. See it. I'll use this. Yeah, it's the top. It's not so tight. Yeah. Whoa. Whoa. Stop. I'm just hoping you can push the button. Yes. That's not so. Oh, stop, stop, stop. David Facken. Good evening. I'm David Facken. As they said, I'm from Chicago, Illinois. I'm here on behalf of the Deering family. You'll recognize the name. They're the owner of the property. They've fallen to property for a little bit over 100 years now. I currently live in Chicago, but very soon I'm going to be your neighbor down here. Neighbors with Ernie Cox, as soon as the first homes in Deering Park go up, I plan to come down here and become even more part of the community. Further relationships, I've started with so many of you and get to meet the rest of you that I haven't met already. Really thought it was important in listening to you that you've heard from the representatives of the Deering family. Those of us that work at Miami Corporation and the people we work with down here, but everybody wanted to hear from them. So did a little arm twisting with them and the fifth generation, we'll call them the elders. I won't call them that in their presence. We'll call them that here. agree to make a video and tell you how important this property has been to their family for 100 years and how they plan to be a part of it for all the years to come and why they put their name on it. I am Steve Strong, a proud member of the Daring family. For more than 100 years, our family has owned the Farmton Tree Farm and served as stewards of this incredible land. Our family story begins with William Deering, my great-great-grandfather. He came from humble beginnings and through hard work, innovation, and a deep respect for the land helped create international harvester, a company that revolutionized farming across the globe. William Deering believed in environmental stewardship, building communities, and in giving back. For our family, Deering Park represents the next chapter in this legacy. Deering Park will be a tangible embodiment of our commitment to both conservation and community. It's a place where the values our family has held for generations who will continue to shape the landscape in the lives of those who live and work there. Naming the community during Park is a natural extension of our family legacy and a way to honor our deep roots in this land. The Farmington Tree Farm is 70,000 acres or 110 square miles in size. As we considered the best use for this incredible property, it was critical to our family that we honor our commitment to conservation. By collaborating with state and local governments, environmental groups in the community, we created the Farmson Local Plan in 2010. A key element of the Farmson Local Plan is that 46,000 acres have been placed in the permanent conservation easements. This speaks to our family's core values. This conservation land isn't just open space, it's a vital ecosystem and a part of the Florida Wildlife Corridor. Our family will maintain this conservation land in perpetuity using best management practices. We want during Park to represent a new model for living and working. One where people and businesses can thrive in close connection with nature. We envision a community that values conservation, embraces sustainable practices, and fosters an appreciation for natural beauty. We hope residents will feel a sense of belonging both to the neighborhood and to the wider environment. We are also creating spaces for business to thrive, embracing our location in the space coast, and supporting the growth of Florida's aerospace industry. The 100-year legacy of stewardship at Farmington isn't just a chapter in our past. Reflecting on the century our family has been connected to this land evokes a deep sense of pride and responsibility. We pledge to carry this torch forward with Daring Park, ensuring that the next century will be one of continued conservation and sustainable progress. Thank you, Chris. Thank you so much. Thank you sir. Appreciate your testimony. And that includes our presentation. Thank you, Glenn. Appreciate that. Are there any of my colleagues that have any questions for the applicant. Commissioner Martin. I want to verify, I'm sorry, I want to verify that the agreement runs with the land. I want that clearly stated that it runs with the land. So even though parts of it are sold off, any subparts are also part of the agreement. Yeah, absolutely. And I think your city attorney will also verify that. One of the things I have great difficulty with is that the claim that it's 2,150 dwelling units. Residents are dwelling units. Dwelling units are residents. As long as we can have up to 925 ADUs, that's 43% possible, oh, more than the 2150 presented. And I don't understand why there's been a refusal to to include those ADUs in terms of the possible number of residential units. Well first of all and we have addressed that in the in the agreement itself. We don't know the number of people who will take advantage of the ADUs. We're not talking about individual lots or individual units. So if somebody can build a mother-in-law apartment on their lot if they so choose, but they can only do it at the time they build their house. No, I understand that. Now it's a residential unit, so is that part of the 2150? No. That's my point. So we don't know, for example, somebody could buy two lots and put one house on two lots. You know, people have been known to combine lots and put a house on them. So what I'm saying is that all of this could be in flux. But to leave out the potential, I didn't say the absolute, the potential for another 43% of residential units, I think the concern. Yeah, the goal was, again, the number of residential units is far less than permitted under the existing compound. I mean, far, far less. That number is there for a maximum number of actual units, number of lots, number of apartments, number of of cottages. But the ADUs, like I say, that's something that we're trying to deal with for this generation. For this generation, there is a need for the potential for an ADU. Yes. And I understand, I'm not denying. I'm not saying that the ADUs are bad. I just believe it's obfuscating when we are saying it's maxed out at 2150, but there's the potential for another 925. Yeah, I think the from a policy perspective, and this has been debated throughout the country and throughout the state, that the policy reason for wanting to encourage. It's not a full unit. It's not a full home. No. It's one unit connected to an existing home. It's not a separate unit. My understanding was that they would not be directly connected to the home, but wouldn't fact be a separate building on the home with its own private driveway? It's no, it wouldn't be, it would be the same driveway. It would be on the same got. But again, let me just explain the policy reason behind them. And the communities that have done them is that we have a severe affordability problem in this country and certainly in this county and city. And so one of the ways to encourage the ability to have affordable housing or to provide for an aging relative is to have an ADU. So if my mother is living in the ADU or my mother is living in the house, it's still my mother. And again, they don't, the policies don't count them as separate units. That's what's been proposed. We would not recommend counting the ADUs as a separate residential unit. They will be on one God built when the house is built. Madam City Attorney, can you help with us here? Sure, it's set forth very clearly on page 12 section D about the number of residential units and then it specifically talks about the accessory dwelling units. So in terms of obviscating it, I mean it's set forth like this is the ability to do that. So I'm not sure what's being hit. Well, mostly the documents talk about a maximum of 2,150 residential units and I'm just suggesting that perhaps the maximum number is over 3,000. So I can I love 80 use, fine with 80 use, fine for family, fine for rentals. I understand the all-income aspect of that. Love it. I just feel like how do we say that there are 2,150 max when we have another 925 potential. So you'd feel more comfortable if we said the maximum number of and then increase that number residential units. The problem is the ADU is not a separate residential unit. Did you just say you can't have an ADU without a home? It's on the same law. It's up to the main structure. Right, and it cannot be sold separately. You got it. Don't understand that, but it's still a residential unit. Like, there's a lot of apartments in an apartment building. And those are all individual residential units, true. It's really a matter of semantics, and if the commission wants to raise the number of residential and secondary residential units we could put that potential in for the number of potential secondary residential units, but we'll see if that comes along. What other questions have you got, man? Okay, well, it's a suggestion. This is a large project that will require a lot of city oversight. Could we get an annual fee from D pick to cover the cost of the city employing a full time project manager on this? I don't like the thought of the current residents assuming the cost for overseeing this project from the city's perspective, because this is a huge project. It's larger than Fidish and Bay. And we don't necessarily have the bandwidth to monitor in the detail that we would like. Mr. Manager, would you like to opine about how we would manage this? Well, certainly, I mean, it is a large project. Whether it's burdensome to staff remains to be seen the way that they've presented this development. It will be phased over time. So based on our current staffing, our building inspections, our planning, our engineering staff, I'd expect that we could just absorb that into our workload. Certainly, they will be paying fees for anything that they're building and paying their way in terms of those inspections that are required. Any other questions, ma'am? Yeah, there's, okay. We know that there will be wetland mitigation. That's not addressed in any of the documents that I could see how you will handle that mitigation. We would, that would be incorporated in the permitting that would go through with the state and federal agencies as required. And so it would likely be a combination of onsite mitigation in appropriate locations and with appropriate standards. And also if necessary, the purchase of mitigation credits from the farm to mitigation bank which is further to the south. The important thing I think I understand that there was a concern that the mitigation bank credits might be from a basin outside the area and that's not going to happen. We're not allowed to do that. We have to buy mitigation banks in the same basin that is affected. Okay. So any mitigation will be contained within the Farmington properties. Same basin. Okay. And let's see. But I wasn't clear about are we redirecting the Florida Wildlife Corridor or will the Florida Wildlife Corridor go through deep-pick property? The Florida Wildlife Quarter is the land that's to the south. We're in the statute to where we designated Florida Wildlife Quarter and then the 400 acres that comes up will be connected to that area. As you know, if you go north of 44, you run into a bottleneck. And so what we're working with is the ability to connect the New Sumerna Beach piece to the pieces that are in edge water, and then further west where there's still an opportunity for the Florida Wildlife Board or to connect up potentially to Ocala National Forest. Thank you. And one of the things that also bothers me, the maximum, let's see, at 200, I want a amenities. I know that less than 200 units require one of a variety of possible amenities. place, you can have a dog park for less than 200, but at 200 plus, it stipulates one of the major amenities. And I would feel better if we could make another level. You know, in other words, at a 500 unit, 500 unit development that there is a swimming pool and a community center or two of the majors. So we're recognizing the gradient between one and two hundred. I think that we might need a gradient from two hundred plus. Well, I can tell you the way we would approach this and it's the same way we're approaching the project in Etchwater at the moment is at about that 200, 250 we're doing an amenity each time. And so we don't anticipate that the development pieces would say we were to do apartments. We may do a 300 unit apartment complex. would have the full gamut of amenities that you would expect likely to include a clubhouse and a pool. And then if we were to do a community of 150, it would go. But I don't anticipate that we're going to go do a neighborhood of 500 plus. We anticipate doing a series of smaller neighborhoods each with their amenities. But we also, if I remember correct, we also put language in. The indicated that the amenities would be appropriate to the community that we're building. Well, appropriate, encourage all of those things are such subjective terms. Well, I mean, there's certainly not a problem. If I could tell you, I do not anticipate doing a 500 unit neighborhood. But if we were to do a 500 unit neighborhood, we would include two of those. My point is, is that if we could put that in the document. Trust but verified. Now you see where I'm going, right? Not a problem at all. It doesn't worth it unless it's on the paper on the paper right not a problem We would stipulate to adding that if it's 500 or above it'll have to thank you and That's it for the moment. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am Commissioner Murkirk Thank you, Mayor And just to clarify ADU a lot of us have these acronyms for everybody out there. ADU is basically a mother-in-law quarters, so you'd be allowed to build a mother-in-law quarters in the back of the property. I want to make sure everybody understood that. That's not necessarily understood by those who haven't had the PUD and been reading up on this. You're offering 71 square miles of conservation. Actually the 71 square miles of conservation Actually the 71 square miles of conservation has already been placed into permanent conservation That's the big green area that you saw on the map that chain head up on the on the on the screen And how did how do you intend to make sure that that stays in conservation for perpetuity and can't be touched? So the majority of that land is in favor of, has the easement in favor of three beneficiaries. So the St. John's River Water Management District is a beneficiary of the easement. the either Volusia County or Brevard County and Audubon of Florida. Audubon. Audubon. Audubon of Florida on the areas that are in unincorporated Volusia County, on the areas that we just put into conservation. Right now it's only St. John's River Water Management District. We're in the process of identifying and discussing hopefully with Audubon of Florida to add them as easement holders as well and we would anticipate as part of the process with the New Sumerna Beach Conservation easements that we would have at least two governmental and then one non-governmental environmental organization. And so I've begun the conversation with our friend Charles, we afford a Audubon, but we have not finalized that yet. But it will be. And the reason why this creates a perpetual easement is because you would have to get all three of those organizations to agree to any change. It's that simple. Once those conservation easements are in the public record, they run with the land. And unless all three beneficiaries agree to change it, they stay. So I would strongly encourage to continue with the Autobahn Society of Florida. That would be a very good, the other ones are government agencies. That's fine. The Autobahn society would be a very good agency to put all of the conservation in with. That would have to vote to take that out. And we agree with you. We just, I can't commit to them doing it until we've actually worked out the agreement with them. One of the things they also do, which I think is a benefit, is that they do an annual review of the property where they actually come out and review the conservation easement, the conservation management plan, and go through the property to inspect it to make sure that it's doing what it's supposed to do. So I would highly recommend we do that as well. I should point out, you'll see who that party is going to be because we can't build anything until that conservation easement is put into place. One more question. Glenn, for, it doesn't matter, Ernie. This development we're talking about this is a 20 30 40 year build out This is that something that is going to be built in the next few years It's going to go in and phases and so if you think about what we've started down an edge water We might have the first homes hopefully me and David by the end of 2026. There might be 200 of us then. By the end of 27 there might be 500 of us. And so it scales in over time on the Deering Park Innovation Center. There will not be any residential for the first three years. We know we've got two years of permitting and engineering and design before we start and then we have to deliver 500,000 square feet of building. Buildings could be one big building, could be multiple non-residential buildings with certificates of occupancy, and we have to have submitted and received approval from you all for another million, for another half million, for a total of a million. So my expectation is that the construction of the first residential unit is probably four to five years off. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Rashley. Thank you very much. Commissioner Ashley. Yeah, I want to get back to the ADU concept. I think what we're doing is limiting the definition of that space. And just because right now we're calling an ADU, it doesn't really have to be. It could be an art studio, it could be a children's playroom, it could be anything. And as I'm imagining myself going through and picking out a home, and I would pick out an ADU for me. And under Supreme Penalty, it would be a mother-of-the-law's place, but that's it. Well, I can tell you just, my wife and I are selling our home in Abokoa down in Jupiter, and our ADU was a game room when the kids were growing up with a pool table and a ping pong table and was a game room. I didn't go up there very often when there were teenagers. But then it became my office. But it was built as part of the house when we built it. My point. Any other questions from my colleagues? Thank you, Mr. Cox. Thank you, Mr. Storch. Appreciate your testimonies. City Commission would now like to hear from members of the public wishing to come in in favor of or in opposition to ordinance number 5124, the rezoning of approximately 1690 order please. We'll wait. Thank you. Of the 1618 acres of land located south of Highway 44 in west of the plan is to make sure that the plan is to make sure that the plan is to make sure that the plan is to make sure that the plan is to make sure that the plan is to make sure that the plan is to make sure that the plan is to make sure that the plan is to there are many people outside who cannot come into the room for fire, caution reasons until you exit the room. So if you're done speaking and don't wish to remain, you wanna exit the room that another person could become in and get in queue to speak. And so I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. demonstrated this is about a plot by an extremist group in an oligarchy across the entire state. The Sanchez will pass SB 180. He instigated it, he planned it, that's why it passed. His goal under the guise of so-called conservatism is to turn the state into his personal empire, taking as much money from businesses and any other bodies as he can. This is not conservatism, it's the textbook definition of economic fascism. Chicago fascism. As a city, you can end this importance by voting against every new development, even if you can't have a moratorium. There must be a moratorium in practice, even if it can't be placed into Dezure Law. You, all of you here, have the power to create change through the power you hold. You hold the power to do that. You have the right to exercise it. Don't be cowardice. You use this to stop the extremism that's being imposed by a compromised and corrupted state government in Tallahassee. And let it stand for all the record here that all of us who've come tonight to stand here in the name of democracy and opposition to the oligarchy in the state, and maybe even some local levels to expand these business interests, which are not popular with the residents. Out here, we have signs everywhere. Let's go, I'll say it for the record. There's a hall here that's full of people. Actually, there's news cameras as well recording this. Full of people all holding up signs about, I would think about 90% maybe more are opposed to this. We are not the rule. Neither are any of us in here the rulers. You're elected by us for a reason. These are the people that you represent. So you have an obligation, a moral and ethical obligation, to oppose this development for those reasons. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. I appreciate that. Thank you very much, Honorable Mayor, Commission, and Staff. My name is Bob Williams, 767 Pine Shore Circle in New Summurnabeech. I'm here to express my whole hearted endorsement of this critically important project for our community. I want to commend the leaders and visionaries of Southeast Follusha that came together over four years ago to identify and begin the process for the beautiful future of our city and our region. I want to commend the property owners and the team they have formed to continue their 100-year-old investment in our community with a commitment to build a legacy of excellence for the next 100 years and beyond. I want to thank our commission, city staff, and the project team for the exemplary engagement across our community to listen to concerns and suggestions and establishing responses in writing in this PUD with commitments addressing each point. While there are some here that express fear and uncertainty about some aspects of this project. I want to assure them that thousands of person hours have been invested to address these points. Before you is a master plan proposal that not only incorporates best practices from around the state but around the country and the world. Deering Park is poised to become a model for dealing with a growing community, with low impact development, and smart growth. It provides a world-class framework for capital investment, amenities, high quality jobs, and housing in a positive way like we've never seen before. And importantly, it's being done in a way that reduces our vulnerability and improves our resilience in the event of major storms. It puts our city and our region on a trajectory to preserve and improve our quality of life while laying the groundwork for flourishing economic growth and a thriving and vibrant community for our citizens and generations to come. Thank you for this and for all you are doing for our community. Thank you, sir. Appreciate your comments. Evening audio. I'll turn this down a little short or vertically challenged. Okay. I want to ask you guys, everybody's been sitting here so nicely. So I can hear it. Just naming address for the record man. Oh, audio rickr, 815 Willard Street, New Smarter Beach. Who here likes dairy queen? I think we all do. We all love dairy queen. Just up here. We all love dairy queen, right? Okay, One thing when you eat dairy queen, it makes you go poop. It makes you poop. And in all this developmental stuff, I never heard anything about any sewage. I never heard anything about any sewage development. How are we going to take care of all the sewage? That's going to be involved. I hear stormwater, which is very important. But where's the sewage going? Does it magically disappear? It doesn't. We have a sewage issue that's gonna be going on with this. Commissioner Perrine, you know, Vice Mayor Martin, thank you for bringing up your points. And Commissioner McGurk, thank you for bringing up your points about our conservation. Where are all the turtles gonna go? Who's gonna move the turtles? We built a house here. If there had been a go for turtle in my property, I would have had to pay $30,000 to remove that turtle before I could have put one stick of dirt in the ground and one shovel. Where are these people going to remove all the turtles? Are they going to take action? Like you said, Commissioner McCurk, I don't believe it. I think it's all, they're not even considering everything out there. You've got all this place. Where's the poop going to go? Everybody boops, where's it going? We need a sewage plant involved in this. There's no sewage. And by the way, I think it's a ridiculous plant. I understand the development, but you have to be more diligent in taking care of how they're doing this. They're just showing like what you call it. That game, you know, they're all playing that game. And we need be more diligent as you guys as our representatives You ladies and gentlemen and city attorney. I know I'm not a Attorney I don't have a degree. Well, I actually have two college degrees But I don't have a degree to to make sure that I'm the person to listen to but this is very important Where's the sewage plants? Where's the poop gonna go section nine of the MDA talks about the wastewater plan. No one I don't see anything on any there. I never saw that. So the Utilities Commission handles the wastewater plan so that's why the City Commission doesn't address it because the Utilities Commission has an idea. Well I'd like to see that in their form and everything they present in page 20. I don't need to interrupt you but it's my turn to speak and everything that they presented I never saw anything discussing sewage and let me tell you something that's a big stinky issue thank you thank you I appreciate your comments thank you sir good evening Michael Donato, 2407 Sachsen. Thanks for having me again. So great presentations. The first one from the city said no impact to traffic. I thought that was hilarious. I didn't know there's going to be comedy tonight. So 2100 homes with average of 2.33 people. That's 4,893 additional people. Plus the ADUs, which you want to use it as your own space, but not everybody does. So we're on it up to 5,000. Did not see any plans for an ocean being built out here. So in London, none of them want to go to the beach. The traffic is already bad enough. I don't understand how there's no impact to traffic. Maybe not out there, but there's definitely going to be impact to traffic beach side. So I hope that you take that into consideration. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Appreciate your comments. Hello, Jay. Yeah, hi. Gerard Pendurghasta, 5,900 South Atlantic. I just want to say that, you know, to be included in the largest regional development in Valuscia County's history is noteworthy. During Park is a significant opportunity for the city of New Sumerna Beach. No one has ever planned like this before. You're talking about, we're talking about a little of the tip of the iceberg here in New Sumerna. This starts at the Brevard County line, goes all the way up to state 4, say road 44, and Miley wishes that they take the UC commission and go all the way up to pioneer trail. Let's get real regional planning going here. That's how we're going to solve our problems with stormwater. If you do piecemeal development, you're going to have exactly the problems you have now, which is flooding and different issues. This is a master plan. This is really put together. I think this is a significant opportunity for you. Just from a planning point of view, we've already discussed the opportunity. We don't. We do not have enough commercial space in our city. The fact that we can improve the tax base by getting commercial space that could actually produce jobs for people, young people that live in this community. I think it's like amazing. And the fact that the commercial comes first, that's the more important part. And the other thing is, you know, it'll be nice if we could just stop growth and tell everybody to go away. But this is the state of Florida, where the fastest growing state, and they're going to come here, and we're going to have to deal with it. I mean, that's just the reality. So I'm not gonna go on with you, because I know there's a lot of people who wanna speak, and I wish I could stay and see the rest, but I'm gonna give someone else the opportunity to have a space in the room. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. So appreciate your comments Good evening Thank you for receiving us today. My name is Mooney Perkins and I'm at 8 Evergreen Street. I'm here because I'm heartbroken over the deep disappointment by this proposal irresponsible and unwanted growth, and it's my responsibility to express my plea in saving what makes New Smirnebeach special. It being the fastest growing state is not a flex. I was born at Halifax Hospital. I graduated from the IB program at Bruce Creek High School, and I attended the University of Florida. My family still resides in the area, and my parents have been here since the 60s, and I say this to establish my homegrown roots that fuel my deep love for this area that has been degraded by development. If you look around the room and outside the windows, it's filled with young people. We're not the ones in suits or wearing fancier design ear brands. We're the actual people who are affected by this. At the end of the day, we are the future of this city. We care so much about what happens with this vote and we will remember the result of this day forever. I'd like to begin with the reminder that this developer bought the property knowing it was zoned agricultural. They're asking the city to change the land use plan that the city had put in place. They're asking that the city permit them to change the use of the property in a way that will absolutely no one had asked for and that will change the character of our community in a profound and extremely detrimental way. It's a paycheck for them, and it's a huge blow for us. With that being said, I'm embarrassed as a local that we even have to deal with this. It doesn't make any sense. I heard in the initial presentation that conservation is being considered. Isn't that like burning a house down and saying the furniture is being considered? Ponds are being built for stormwater, doesn't nature already do that? And who in the history of the universe has ever asked for a welcome center? Our town has been distorted enough. Every block has an out-of-place box mansion that makes New Smurna look more and more like Miami by the minute. At this rate, what will we have left? Why are we allowing our town to turn into just another sad suburb of Orlando? If you care about tourism, I can promise you no one wants to escape to another sad suburb of Orlando. I know you can't answer questions, and I'm not asking you questions. I just like for you to reflect on these thoughts within yourselves and those in the room. What local have you known personally is favoring this project? What does the environment mean to you? Will this be your legacy for this city and how? What would your younger self think of you right now in this moment, in this decision, and would they be proud? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming back. Hold on. Good evening, Steve. Good evening, Mayor. I'll just have to try to rip through this three minutes goes quick when the other side gets forever. Steve Gunner, New Smirno Beach, the issue of flooding in our region is becoming more frequent and severe. The development is now happening in what was historically been protected off-limits wetland areas. We know the flooding is directly tied to the continued development of our watershed in wetlands. The wetlands are our natural stormwater buffer, during part threatened the rural buyer diverse land, including areas adjacent to Thermal Creek. It's a critical watershed corridor that feeds the Indian River Lagoon, one of the most biologically diverse estuaries in North America. When these areas are filled, elevated, and covered with impervious surfaces, that capacity is lost. The results, storm waters displaced, and it's in the lower area of residential neighborhoods, many of which are now experiencing damaged floods that were once rare. And I'm subject matter expert. I've had water in my house twice. As our civic leaders, you should respect the scientific consensus and your civic responsibility. The overwhelming consensus from climate science institutions, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, NOAA, the US Geological Survey, and the National Academy of Science is that rising atmospheric moisture levels are increasing the severity of our rain events. of reviewed science is not a matter of opinion. It's a standard by which policy should be guided. We believe that large-scale projects like the proposed During Park development, featuring over 6 million square feet of commercial development and 2 to 3,000 residential units in a wetland area pose a direct threat to our community's safety and environmental integrity. These types of development should never have been considered, let alone approved in areas designated for flood mitigation and ecological preservation. It is the very reason that it should stay forestry, ag, and conservation. It's ludicrous now in 2025 attempting to change the designation to a plan unit development when it's clear clearly against the science, math, and the logic. Water will not run away from Ponce inlet and go to the south for very long. We all know that and it's not going to run west uphill. You're getting a guarantee that it won't hit Vanilla Bay or your city property, but it's dumping down on our properties just a little east of Glencou. We respectfully ask that you one reexample in the permitting sign off processes that are enabling wetland destruction to continue to ensure that any future development proposals are reviewed through the lens of a climate resilience, watershed integrity, and long-term public safety. You currently don't even have stormwater infrastructure in place to safely handle the current development. And three, recognize that what happens upstream affects us downstream, regardless of jurisdiction, property lines, or political boundaries. We are not anti-growth, we are pro-responsibility, pro-transparent in pro-science. Deering part is not smart growth, it's urban sprawl wrapped into a rezoning request. I urge you to deny the rezoning change application. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Ruffer. All right. For Leppertown. All right. I've asked you several times. And so the police chief is in the back of the room. If you continue to disrupt, I'll have you removed from the room. So please, no more jeers and no more cheers.. Go ahead, Mr. Routy. Good evening, Mayor and Commissioners. I strongly support the Deering Park Innovation Center. And by the way, my name's Tony Addy, 3530 Grand Tuscany Way. I wanna echo the staff report because it points out that this project will address goals that the City Commission set years ago diversifying the tax base, providing higher wage jobs and seeking companies to supply aerospace sector companies that will serve the aerospace sector. sector. I'm also very impressed I've been to several of the 17 meetings and the response that the property owner is made for stormwater with the commitment for the bond. I've been involved with a lot of development agreements over my 30 plus years working for four Florida cities. I've never seen a stormwater bond set up like that. It's very impressive. The last thing I want to mention is in my career, I did have the good fortune of being involved with two development agreements where a long time family property owner was involved. That is very different from most development agreements where you're dealing with a developer who doesn't even own the property. They typically have an option to buy and they're going to have a mortgage and a lot of other things come into play. It's very obvious to me when we saw the video here, it reminded me of my previous two development agreements with these long time family owners. The most important thing to them is to be good stewards of their property. And in my situation, those families were really focused on the final product. So I see that very encouraged by that. I'm very impressed by this development and I support the Deering Park Innovation Center. Thank you. Thank you very much sir, sir. Appreciate that. It's too late. Good evening. Good evening, commissioners. Thank you for your time. Brian White, 2464 Lydia Wei. I'm also a board member of 1000 Friends of Florida, one of the leading land use nonprofits in the state of Florida. I want to acknowledge all the work that's been done on this development. I know there's been a lot. I don't want to negate anything that the applicant has said about the family's legacy about their commitment to the property. I'm sure all that is true. But the fact remains that unless it's drastically reimagined to emphasize compact transit-connected growth, Deering Park is a textbook example of urban sprawl. That's not conjectural. That's not my opinion. That's a fact. It's a low density car reliant development on the suburban fringe that consumes greenfield land and strange, strange local infrastructure. You can't increase the number of dwellings in the city of New Sumerna by 15%. And not have negative consequences to traffic congestion, to environmental concerns. And I think what you're seeing tonight is when being faced with the imminent passage of this project, citizens feel compelled to act, and they feel compelled to act because they have faced real pain. How many thousands of residents of New Smyrna Beach just got through catastrophic flooding twice and didn't have insurance on their properties had to pay for everything out of pocket. All of these concerns about traffic congestion, about an inadequate infrastructure, about environmental destruction on a massive scale. People are here telling you about it because it hurts them. I just want to remind all of you that you weren't elected by future residents of Deering Park. You were elected by current residents of New Sumerna Beach. And while it's not the applicant's responsibility to solve our problems, it is your responsibility to make sure that they do not get worse. And I'm not convinced that that is happening. And I'm not convinced that our priorities as a city government reflect the best interest of the citizens today. Thank you for your time. Appreciate your comments, sir. Thank you very much. Professor? Crystal Sailor, 645 Ball Street. Hello, Mayor Cleveland and Cindy commissioners. Not my first radio with you guys. You know how I feel. I told you the community did not want this. And now you can see. Evidently, the quasi-digital hearing means that what the citizens want is about 17 meetings too late. The change is in land use last year is essentially the final step, and from here on out, all you want is facts. And I can do facts. Currently, zone for 140 residential units, the change would be 2,510 residential units, maybe more, and 6 million square feet of industrial space, and all the implied infrastructure impact of that. There are known and historic maps showing the natural water flow is north and east, and I believe a description to redirect that is really just a large experiment in the making. The plan has no affordable housing within its proposed units. They did maybe describe it. I think the word was accessible, but there is no affordable housing. There is 600 plus acres currently of wetlands and about half of that will be impacted. As far as traffic goes, again, anecdotally, we all know it's an issue. I do not recall any traffic study equipment along 44. You know, they got the little cables, bump, bump, every time you go over them, okay? So there should be traffic studies both East and West of 44 to show how much of an issue it is already let alone what could happen if this goes through. There's 2,500 residential units planned in DPI-C. This is hard to find about 1,200 units units planned in South Village. So that combined almost 2700 units if we would give a modest approximate $300,000 per unit tax base value. That adds $1.1 billion in residential tax base. So as we increase everything in an attempt to get more industrial tax base we are also increasing residential tax base and I think the goal of 63% residential tax base is unattainable. I think that's about it. I would like to say thank you Commissioner Mark for your votes in the past. Jason I appeal to you as a long-term resident with deep roots. You know how I feel. So I certainly hope that facts can be considered and that the outcome is what I would hope. But we'll see. Thanks for your time. Thank you for your comments, Crystal. Appreciate it. Mr. England, good evening. Good evening. Richard England, 259,orca Beachway. I graduated from New Smurder Beach High School in 1977, and I intended college, but there was no doubt at that time in my mind that I would not be coming back to New Smurder Beach after graduating from college, because there were very few opportunities for growth and high-paying professional jobs here and I had relatively big plans for myself. Two generations later I'm not sure that the situation is a whole lot better, but I see in this project from the economic angle that the Deering Park Innovation Center is set to change that in time as we discovered it's going to play out over a while but I believe based on what I've heard and read and understand about this from an economic perspective it will create new high paying jobs it will boost overall incomes for the entire city in time as the development plays out it will diversify the demographic base of the city. It will diversify the tax base between residential and commercial payers as was discussed. And it will drive the creation of new small businesses, the kind we favor. So watch here to serve the new economic growth base that's there. So I support this project and I encourage you to vote in favor of it. Thank you, sir. Appreciate your comments. Keegan John. Good evening everybody. And John Joaquin 4617 South Atlantic. And I want to start by just saying thank you for all the effort, time, and toil that this group is put into this project, and to the folks on the developer side, and actually to all the people out here, because they're exercising their free right to democracy. This is a very historic vote that you guys are doing tonight, and it's really, in my mind, about future generations, because many of us won't be around to see what happens. And that futures important, and I ask you to vote for this, and it's one that builds a diversified economy and creates high-paying jobs, so future generations can stay here, prosper, the Richards point. A lot of people have to leave to make a career. So growth is coming to our region. It's coming to the south and edge water. You've heard those plans. It's already happening in Port Orange. And it's coming to the west of us. And we're the beach community that everybody wants to come to. So if we don't approve during park innovation center it's my sense we won't have the resources and the taxes that come with that to mitigate those traffic issues that we're all concerned about. So we'll just be a pocket of a gentrified, highly expensive place where future generations can't find jobs and they can't live. So I would ask that you vote for this. And with the approval for Deering Park Innovation Center, a concentrated effort will begin to land the space industry here in New Summoner Beach and launch a future for a bright future for Next generations and it is the my anniversary night 36 years. I want to wish my wife happy anniversary and I chose to spend it with you So I'm already in trouble. Thank you. Thank you John. Appreciate your comments, sir Evening bless Good evening commission. My name is Bliss Jamison, Southeast pollution. I'm sorry. Evening, Bliss. Good evening, Commission. My name is Bliss Jamison, Southeast Volusio Manufacturing and Technology Coalition President. I'm here tonight to endorse this project and ask that you vote yes. You all took about the regional comprehensive plan several years ago and then Shane Corbin, you know, had it in his report. He did a very good job on his report. It has been in progress. There have been 17 meetings. There have been endless workshops. The Deering Park family has been good stewards of the land and they want to continue to be good stewards of the land. And you all want to have a healthy community. And you realized years ago that there was a need for industry, a place for increased industry, and you also had the desire for corporate headquarters. They have answered your request. And they are doing it without, well, they are doing it with consideration for all of your request. They keep adding with each workshop. They add more. They add more. And I think this will be good for us. And having raised children here, having nieces and nephews here, seeing them struggle with whether they can come back here, whether they have to leave for a job somewhere else. This is also for our children, for jobs for our citizens today, and for our citizens in the future. And in order to have a healthy community, we need the diversity and we need the jobs. We can't feed everybody on service industry jobs and the service industry jobs cannot pay to house everybody in our local economy. The housing prices are going out of sight. We need higher wages, we need better value added jobs in our community. And I thank you for your stewardship in trying to secure a healthy community for the future. And I hope you all vote yes. Thank you so much. Thank you, Ms. Jameson. Appreciate your comments. You're evening, Ms. Ford. Good evening. I'm Stephanie Ford, the president and CEO of the Southeast Follucha Chamber of Commerce, 115 Canal Street, New Sumerna Beach. Miss Sharon, are you able to play a video? Video was shared with commissioners. Okay, great, thank you so much. We recently took a group of chamber members, stakeholders, a few city staff and elected officials to Abacoa and Alton in Jupiter, Florida, where we were able to also take some of the developers from Deering Park and learn best practices about what they've done in other developments and how they're applying that here to Deering Park Innovation Center. So we produced a short video. It's on the Chamber website, sevchamber.com. It was also just uploaded to the Residence Coalition website. I got an email from them stating how well done the video was, how they appreciated the due diligence and the research that we have put into this project and they're also endorsing the Deering Park Innovation Center. I want to thank you. I was planning on playing the video, but I do have have a few short comments. I want to thank you all for your due diligence over several years. Hosting the workshops. Providing public comments. The chamber has had representation at all of those. We a resident here in New Sumerna Beach. So when I say that I represent the Chamber with over 550 business members, we're thousands of residents as well. And a lot of them are here tonight in support of this. Some of them couldn't get in. So I wanted to point that out. This project and the Deering Park Development Company, not only meet all the requirements, but they exceed them. And the Deering Family has had this land in Southeast Follucius for 100 years as you've heard. The truth is they care about the property, they care about the community, and they care about the future of their land. City staff has approved Deering Park Innovation Center, the Southeast Follucian Chamber of Commerce approves the Innovation Center. And we, based on the facts, we urge that you also approve it as well. Thank you for your time. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate your comments. Hi, I'm Janet Hall, 106 Portofino Boulevard. At the last meeting, there was quite a line-up of supporters for the rezoning, and many of those attended again today. One of the speakers from the last meeting, glowingly described the Jupiter development that the Chamber of Commerce visited, where all those green fields were replaced with what they considered beautiful urban development. My own perspective could not be more different, but it's not only a personal preference for green fields over tarmac and buildings. Not just in New Smirno Beach, but all over Florida, there is unprecedented levels of development and urbanization. Many concerns have been expressed about the contribution of more development on flooding, and it's especially true for this development which includes such a high proportion of wetlands. But it can work more than one way. We are hopefully emerging from a severe drought that is required water use restrictions. Here in Florida, reservoirs are not an option and desalination costly. We rely on natural aquifers for our water supply, but this is not a limitless supply. It's another example where I would challenge any expert to truly know the downstream impact, no one intended, as this development on our fragile and unique Florida environment. This is not to be anti-business. The question is whether this is sustainable or right for Florida's environment. Without that, there can be no economy. We have no guarantees that this will work out as people hope for our local economy. At our last meeting, our mayor voiced his concern about preserving the quality of life for existing residents, and it was heartening to hear that. But the problem with the scale of development is a step-by-step, inevitable detriment to our quality of life. More traffic congestion, forget the work, live, blaze, logons. Human pollution, resource, and so it goes on insidiously. A case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point. The case in point, when reading a local report on the I-95 pioneer exchange, it was noticed that the interchange is needed because of all the new developments such as Shell Point. This is how it happens incrementally inevitably. the development, then the need for more roads and so it goes on. At some point, 44, we need a drastic new solution because people will drive to the beach. I suspect this zoning will go ahead. There are powerful vested interests at stake, but it will be a detriment to existing residents who came here understanding the local economy, by wanting something else. As one speaker said at the last meeting, growth does not equal progress, and not all growth is good. There needs to be a careful assessment of this development before we destroy what special about Newma and Abich. If you believe in conservation, you don't have to vote for this. You can leave it as agricultural and as it is. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate your comments. Good evening, Robbie. Good evening. Robbie Gibson Minor, 2839 South Asianna Court, New Sma and Abich. I'm the president of the New Smurnabeech Residence Coalition and I'm here representing my comments represent the coalition. So thank you very much for this opportunity this evening and for the two previous public workshops that are in compliance with the city's comprehension plan. Comprehensive plan. Many of the things brought up tonight were brought up there, but although we have not officially endorsed this project, there are many positive things about it. We have had the opportunity to work behind the scenes, so to speak with Mr. Storch, the Deering Representatives, people from the farm manager to the landscape architect to the gentleman who are sitting here this evening, and Ernie Cox with his experience from Babcock Ranch and Abacoa. I'll have to say through all of that, we've had multiple meetings, especially over the last eight months. We have always been given answers. Many of the things that we brought up as well as other people at the workshops have been incorporated in the MDA and this certainly does have an opportunity for the city. Our concerns and for the citizens of the city, concerns continue to be and we believe that they can be managed are the stormwater flooding, the definition delineation of the wet lands, traffic and the perpetuity of the conservation lands to protect all of us. And Mr. Storch was even responsive today when we asked additional questions. I think there's an opportunity to continue to work with them throughout this process and hope that the city considers employing an additional staff as needed to be accountable and have the follow through to make sure that these things actually come to fruition. Thank you very much. Thank you very comments man appreciate that. Good evening board members this is an opposition to ordinance number. Your name and address for the record, sir. I'm invoking my first amendment right to speak anonymously in public. If the lawyers have looked extensively at this document, I am deeply concerned because there are major loopholes in this agreement. I have at least 13 pages of questions and I don't have a lot of agree. First off, there's a third party that was added to the agreement during park development company, which is owned by Coulter Group, which is a massive global development company and makes us uncomfortable, as you can imagine. And in section 21 it says that this MDA agreement is between both parties. Now there's three entities, so who are the two parties that need to be in a grants for this to actually occur? That's one major issue. The other major issue is that there's many terms in this document that they say they will encourage and intend and strive to follow Florida friendly development practices, but they are not mandated. They use terms like new urbanism principles and passive recreation. These and many of the loose terms leave room for interpretation without violating the agreement. Their deceptive promises to look out for our community is nothing more than lip service. They find every loophole in this agreement for their corporate greed. There are even terms in this agreement that state that they could argue any decision related to permitting and so you can imagine where that will go. If your decisions to rezone and make this a rezone has to be based on evidence and facts as you stated earlier, then where is the environmental impact analysis that has been done before making any of these decisions? They want you to sign a master development agreement before conducting any environmental impact research. Absolutely not. That's on them to do before there is an agreement. And we can bet that any change is that they are proposing is going to increase flooding. You talk about supporting a workforce. Well, what happens when you bring big tech into our city? You might start to create an economic divide between those who live here and those who move here for high-paying jobs. They talk about creating these jobs, but they don't talk about leveling up the current workforce that's in the environment to support these jobs. Property values will increase, taxes will increase, and you will push out generational locals, and this is gentrification. They say that they're going to give land for sports complex and police stations, but accessible roads have to be created within five years, or they get the land back. They also haven't done any analysis, so where this land is actually going to be. So all those pretty maps that they were showing really mean nothing. So I can go on and on and all this to say that we are not a tech hub and that's okay. We are a beach community and an outdoor community. And please do what your voters have chosen you to do and protect their way of life. Thank you. Thank you for your comments, sir. Hello, Cindy. Good evening, Mayor, commissioners. Cindy Harris, South Glanco, Rob. After the March 25th workshop, I had the privilege of speaking with Attorney Storch, and he clarified some things for me that I thought I'd bring up before you. One of the things he clarified for me was the stormwater bond. I want a clarification actually, who that covered. And he clarified that it only covered the nation bay and the utilities and the police buildings there on the airing park, nobody else. I thought that was strange because I wanted to know if it opened up liability for the city, if it flooded out any of the neighboring areas like Glencco or Sam Sula areas because storm water has no boundaries. So I wanted to just bring that before you to see if you could get that answered from attorney Avalon or Avalloni. I'm sorry, I don't know how to pronounce the name. And also, she brought up this evening Senate Bill 180. That's a concern. I know Attorney Stort said that he could add it to the agreement, but we really don't know what's out there. If the governor is going to sign that or not, and that's going to really put limitations on it because we only have until October of 2027. And we need to do something about the storm waters and how we're going to mitigate all that. The other thing, we really need to see what their stormwater study is going to do and how they're going to build their structure and how they're going to be able to keep all that stormwater on their 70,000 acres. When I spoke with Attorney Storch, he said they were going to clean the water and flow it back into the end of River LaGlune once they cleaned it before they float it back out there. So you know if we can contain it on that property and flow it that way have been in the area. We have a lot of property that we have been in the area that we have been in the area that we have been in the area that we have been in the area that we have been in the area that we have been in the area that we have been in the area that we have been changes to their comp plan for us, you know, like changing the barrier on 44 and everything. So just some questions that I had. Another question that I had is if you've seen the geotech drilling report and if you've had a chance to have that evaluated just to make sure that the new structures are going to be safely in that they put out there. Just something to look at. And let's see. Just some things I wanted to throw out there to make sure before you made your decision tonight that you evaluated everything. Thank you for your time. Thank you, man. Appreciate your comments. Amy sir. Evening. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you and that it would happen again. And then four weeks later, we flooded again. My neighborhood is 50 plus years old and until Hurricane Ian, it had never flooded, ever. And now it's two times. In two years, one in 500 year flood events cannot be said of what these are. It is clearly from developments that are happening 100 meters to our west, five miles to our west. We all watch flood waters come down from coastal woods, from east of 95 heading east into the city, and now we want to extend it further west. With somehow, as if we trust these developers every time we trust them, we are let down, time and time and time again. I am tired of rebuilding my home and my farm. I am tired of it. At that very same meeting, Mr. Storage said on the 27th that the landowners, as of right now, could just put ranchettes on 10 acre ranchettes, hundreds of them be done with it right now. Why not do that? He says that his clients have us, the people, and their best interest, and that's why they're going to build this subdivision and this development for us out of their love for us but we the people find that disingenuous and we do not accept that. I'm tired. I am tired of rebuilding my home and farm and I'm tired of seeing developments not being held accountable and here we go marching ever westward. It's going to happen again. I ask you to vote no again. Thank you for your comments sir. Good evening council. I'm standing here today to urge the City Commission to reject the Deering Park Innovation Proposal and to return these lands to their former designation. Oh, yeah, the address. I have concerns regarding flooding, traffic, environmental destruction, and the loss of NSB's small town character. If the commission decides today to approve this proposal, they will be driving a dagger into the heart of this community. As we have all seen in the past couple of years, flooding poses an increasing threat to the citizens of NSV. Increased development and urbanization of natural lands has crippled the ability of nature to mitigate flooding. Is the solution to our flooding issue really to build yet another massive development? Is the solution to our flooding issue to cut down even more trees when they stabilize soil and slather a flooding? I think not. Cutting down trees to make room for houses will cause flash flooding events. And if you're concerned about the citizens of the city, you would reject this proposal. Furthermore, this proposal threatens to drastically increase the number of cars on our already crowded roads. I know I'm not alone when I say that the traffic has gotten out of hand. The Deering Park Innovation Center, if approved, will exacerbate this issue, thereby increasing the number of collisions on our roads and contributing to noise and air pollution, putting our safety and peace of mind at risk. This project poses a great threat to our wildlife at a landscape level. No matter how many acres of this proposed development are designated for conservation, these habitats will be isolated and support far fewer species than before. This development would reduce the extent of the Florida Wildlife Corridor. A landscape linkage vital to the survival of Florida's most iconic species, including the Florida Panther. Without this landscape linkage, wildlife will suffer and die out. Finally, I would like to remind the council of their moral duty to represent the desires of their constituents. It is your responsibility as a civil servant to prioritize the desires of the people and the the people have spoken. Reject this proposal. To do otherwise as a gross abuse of power and a step in the wrong direction. Thank you. Man, just your name and address for the record. My name is Mila Rocco-Gryphon, and I live 311 Herbert Street. Thank you so much. Appreciate your comments. Good evening. My name is Kalin Zowatsky, 602 North Pine Street beach side but I'm also speaking on behalf of my 92-year-old mother Gloria Egan, 2051 Pioneer Trail Quail Hollow number 64. First I'd like to speak to the things that she wanted me to. In 2024, I believe it was, in 2022, Ian was followed by Nicole and then a year later by Milton. She completely lost her 60-year-old home the first time to Ian and Nicole and then lost it a second time to Milton. These 500-year storms are becoming more frequent, more severe. And we have funding cuts and diminished resources that will happen with cuts to FEMA and NOAA over the next few years. Many of the people in her 200 housing unit had to leave. Some of them stayed in like little trailers and they're driveling into their homes were dry enough and then they went back in with black mold and who knows what because they couldn't afford insurance. And so I would like to say to you that they are just downstream from this development and in your own report by Jones and Edmonds, they said in section 4.11 that any work on your ditches would make very little difference to the level of storm runoff that we have. So only thing that will make a difference is to continue not to clear cut some of the trees that uptake the precipitation. So if you have a, you have three-fourths of a wetland that will be built in clear cut, then you will have at least 11 million gallons of uptake per year that will no longer go away. With that said, I live beachside. Well, I want to say one more thing. It takes about 40 years to grow an oak tree or more, and at least 30 or 40 years to grow maple tree. So if you think these trees are going to be uptaken water right away, your storm buffers of bushes is not that that's not going to cut it. With that said, living beachside, a 2004 tornado touched down and took my house. You will have the possibility of catastrophic situations beachside. We had an accident on the South Causeway a couple weeks ago, and it took hours to revamp the traffic over the North Cause Way. If we have a storm beachside, I can't get off. I can't get to my mom on the mainland. When I leave on a Saturday, on a weekend, in the summer, I have to be prepared not to come back for two hours. The traffic is backed up all the way to publics. It doesn't take a study of traffic patterns to know that these people will in fact go to the beach. So I urge you to say no, even though it may not happen, and speak up for the average person, because this continued development will continue to cause flooding, gentrification, pollution, and storm on off. Thank you for your comments, ma'am. Evening, sorry. I'll be speaking anonymously. When I grew up in Central Florida here in Blucia County, I was told a lie. I was told that this country is built on opportunity. Yet at every chance they get, the people who are supposed to represent us rip those opportunities away. This city commission may be no different. They tell us that they want to create housing, but policies like this one will put all of our homes at risk. Over half the homes in New Summarna are already at extreme flooding risk, and over the past five years hurricanes that should have been once in a lifetime have repeatedly decimated Florida communities. Tens of thousands of homes have been destroyed and hundreds of lives have been lost. Destroying over 1,000 acres of conservation land will only make this crisis worse. No one will be safe. No one will be safe from this environmental catastrophe, not even the people sitting in this commission. So please, see the pain of your city. See the lives that have been destroyed by this worsening environmental crisis. See the future of our children and choose to be different. Choose to take a stand against these developers. Choose to protect our community. Not sell it out to the highest bidder. Choose to give that opportunity back to your people. Give our children the opportunity to live in a world where trees grow and flowers bloom. Choose to give them an opportunity where they can play in trees and listen to the birds chirp and see flowers bloom. The opportunity to live in a world where they don't have to be terrified of a catastrophe for half of the year. That future is now up to you. Kill this project before it kills us. May you have the courage to make the right decision. Could we get your name and address please? David, he track of that. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. I don't know if you can do that. Hello. How's it going? Thanks for having me. My name is Michael Dunphy. I'm 832 Evergreen Street. Welcome Michael Clendur. I just wanted to speak to my experience in New Smirna. I've been here for 20 years and I think what drew me and my mom in is just the charm of the city and how quaint it was. It wasn't Jacksonville. It wasn't you know South Florida and it's kept us here. All my friends that visit there's such a charm to this city and as you guys have seen living here and being here slowly over time that we're starting to lose the charm And if you're trying to get from 95 out to the beach on a weekend It's pretty much straight gridlock and you know you get over to beach side on the weekend where I am and you pretty much Can't touch your car keys because it's so crowded and you know you have the signs that say we're coming in like beach traffic It's crazy probably can't get on the beach this and that So I just think that there's not in that there's inadequate infrastructure already set up for us as a town. And we see how crazy it's growing. And I think, you know, all of us are living here and experiencing this probably besides the people from Chicago that are here that like every week we see it just crazy amounts of we can't you know sit at our favorite restaurants we We just it feels overran so I think that you guys could take the time and like you're doing and Consider how we need to stop the growth instead of Adding more just if we plan a couple of trees or whatever. You know that shiny deck look cool, but it just feels like for people that live here, there's a real deep connection with nature and the ocean and it feels like that's slowly slipping away because of the profits. So thank you guys for your time. Appreciate your comments, Mike. Thank you. Give me a thanks, sir. My name is Dave Aiden. I love it. One 10 port at 110 Portofino Boulevard here in New Smyrna. Thanks Dave. I have four or five concerns tonight. I heard in the past folks that said we're going to build this place because we want high paying jobs to come here. Well first of all I don't know what a high paying job is but let's assume it's $40 an hour which is a pretty good salary. Young professionals can't live in New Smyrna Beach on $40 an hour and let me explain. First of all we're in the third highest tax county and state of Florida. So they're probably going to be buying a home in the 500,000 to to $700,000 range of their high professionals. And so that mortgage alone is probably going to be somewhere in the vicinity of $4,000 to $8,000 a month with a 7% interest rate that's currently here. The taxes on that home is going to be about anywhere from $14 to $20,000 depending on the price of your home assess that 80 or 85%. Assuming that one works and one stays home or they both work and that to do childcare, it's going to be about $4,000 a month to put two kids into the daycare. And then on top of that, you have the federal tax. So let's assume by all the deductions and the standard deduction, you get down so you're paying a 15% tax. There's not enough money for a young professional to live in New Spirne Beach at $40 an hour. The second thing, and that doesn't include food, savings, vacation, any of that. The second thing is for each wetland that we lose each acre, we lose the privilege of having 1.5 million gallons of stormwater removed from our land. So how many acres of wetland is being destroyed by this new development and multiply that times 1.5 million gallons and it's got to go somewhere. Okay, I don't believe for a moment that we have any guarantees it's going to go south and if it does go south, well who are we flooding down south? I have no guarantee and no reason to believe that it's not going to go across 44 into the wetlands there and then over the 11th fairway into Venetian Bay and make our flooding even worse than it already is. We haven't fixed it yet and we don't have a solution for it. If I understand the land of Georgia is taking water from the Florida aquifers and piping it to Georgia for use. So now we're going to build another 25, 3000 homes plus all these commercial buildings further drain the aquifer. And then I've heard people say, well, maybe they have to look at something like treating wastewater for drinking water. That's unacceptable. We're not astronauts, and we didn't buy in here to be drinking wastewater. we're going to do is make a money here is the attorney in the home builder. And once he gets his money for the homes, he's out of here. Thank you for your comments or appreciate it. Thank you for coming up. Hello, Mary. Hello. My name is Mary Feichert. I live at 498 Venetian Villa Drive. My concerns is that what if Deering Park is so frustrated, the owners of that property that they say, I'm just dropping out, I'm not going to do this project, and then they start selling it off to other people. What if, like, what happened with Inesian Bay? What if they sell it to Geo Sam's, who's in Canada that cares less about what's going on in our community. So I think this family that has owned this property for 100 years has put so much concern and effort in trying to make this the best community ever for us and all the projects and all the transparency they had has been really upfront and thoughtful. So I'm just for this project. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate your comments. Evening ma'am. Hello, my name is Zosha Lucas, 315 Rush Street. Thank you, Zosha. But I'm not here to speak for myself this evening. I'm here to speak for the countless plants, animals, insects, and fungi that call this land home and have no voice in this evening. I'm here to speak for the countless plants, animals, insects, and fun guy that call this land home and have no voice in this room. The current land in question isn't all just open space. It's a living, breathing ecosystem that supports an incredible web of life, including many species already on the brink of extinction. Including the Florida sandhill crane, the little blue heron, the dry colored heron, the woodstork, the eastern indigo snake, the Florida pine snake, the gopher tortoise, the short-tailed snake, the Florida scrub lizard, the sandskink, the Florida mouse, and countless other not threatened wild, not currently threatened wild life. These are species that exist in only this part of the world. If this land is bulldozing cleared, they will have nowhere else to go. Once these habitats are gone, they are gone forever. This decision is about more than development. It is about legacy. You have the power to either protect a fragile, irreplaceable ecosystem or allow its permanent destruction. Please vote no tonight and preserve this land, not just for those of us who are here today, but for future generations and for the many, many, many lives that cannot speak for themselves. Thank you. Thank you for your comments, ma'am. Appreciate that. Evening, sir. Good evening. My name is Sam Walsh, 200 Bay Street, New Smyrna. I'm the owner of Shark Biod oysters and oyster farm here in New Smyrna and I'm a board member of the Florida Shelfish Aquaculture Association so I'm representing oyster farmers in our community as well as around Florida and I can tell you that this development will continue to damage an already fragile water system that we have. Our lagoon is already in a struggling state. We're currently going through a algae bloom right now that is affecting the growth of shellfish. It's affecting the quality of the water for fishermen, for cravers. And so when we talk about the jobs that can be created from this community, it's theoretical, but there are jobs that exist in this community right now that will be affected by the nutrient runoff, the sewage runoff, the stormwater runoff from this community that will lead to the lagoon. It is all part of the watershed, the Northern Coastal Basin, and Mr. Storch mentioned that basin, when he was talking about mitigation credits. So I heard that the mitigation credits are not part of the actual Deering Park property. They're just part of that basin. That basin covers all of New Smirna. And so I have a feeling that might include maybe even the Webster Creek mitigation bank, which is right by my farm and the other farms. The last time that mitigation bank was improved, in my memory, it was 2008, and that included hydroblasting and a lot of silting up of the lagoon which led to an algae bloom that put one of the largest clam farmers in this state out of business that killed tens of millions of clams that are in there filtering the water every single day. Our oysters are in there right now filtering the water every single day. We've all got small farms but we're filtering tens of millions of gallons. But we need help from you guys. We can't allow more destruction to occur in the lagoon because then our filters are going to be useless. And if they're planning on using their mitigation credits on, for example, the Webster Creek mitigation bank, that could potentially destroy all of us. It would put us all out of business. So it's taking real jobs that exist right now. Our farms are creating jobs that also have sold to them. So it's real salt of the earth. We're out there working. We're creating a working waterfront. And if these mitigation banks continue to get improved, or if we continue to allow these developments to flood our water system with nutrients, we're just going to see the end of commercial fishing, charter fishing, and our oyster farming industry. Thank you for the time. Thank you for your comments, or appreciate that. Evening, sir. How you doing? My name is Michael H. I live at 645 O'Engham Road, down at the three of the three of the three. Thanks, Michael. I, uh, my apologies I wasn't prepared for this, obviously. I was going driving by. You know, I look around, I heard gentlemen that spoke earlier and doors this. Somebody said something and they said, you don't understand. And I'm looking at the younger generation. My daughter included, I've only been here 15 years. I didn't grow up in Newspirna, but when I came to New Spirna, there was a certain vibe here. And yeah, everyone, I have no facts with me. I'm just going by what I've heard, the passion of the younger generation, everyone that's been up here that's been against this. I look around too. It doesn't seem like there's gonna be a chance. It seems like this has gone way farther than it should have already. There's been a lot of clearing out there already. There's a big push and company behind this, and I look at the younger generation, they almost feel like they're hopeless. There's no possible way that this is going to be denied. That's what I see. Just from sitting in the back, first I started outside. And then I said, I actually have a noister farm right next to a sand. Yeah. That's not why I'm talking. But everything that he said, I want to say too. But I really, it's just their signs. I haven't seen this much action in New Smyrnets since I've moved here in 2011. And I know some of you may be by phase, but you're all going to be in a critical situation. You've got a lot of folks here that don't want this. And again, I don't have the facts. I can't give you all the environmental facts and everyone that came up and spoke. But man, if you want to make a movement, you know, I know there's a lot of money involved, but if you really want to make a statement, maybe there's something you can do for everyone that doesn't want this here. That's all I have to say. Thank you sir, appreciate those comments. Peter Maim. Good evening, my name's Renee Richards, 323 Serenical Way. And I also come from a family business that's on its fourth generation now. So I understand how legacy sound good in theory. And I know there's a lot of pros and cons to this project. I've listened to everything tonight. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to attend 17 other meetings that that came before in these years ahead of it. I'm kind of sad about that actually because I would have spoken up a lot sooner and hoped it might have made a difference like a lot of other people here. And I'm not sure about some of the timetables of some of these meetings if there's sometimes like it three in the afternoon when people can attend. That's sometimes a little bit of an issue that I've had with some city meetings. But anyway, I just wanted to go over a couple things as far as what the word conservation means to me. I looked it up in the dictionary says it's prevention of wasteful use of a resource. And to me that's exactly what we're here for. We don't want to see the resource of our land being used wastefully. And to me, this development that spans a smaller area at this meeting has plans to grow very large and encompass a whole lot of our environment. I don't feel technically that New Sumerna needs to be a tech area. I know there needs to be better jobs in the area, but I don't think that's what people come to New Sumerna for. They come for the environment, the beach, and the laid back, well it used to be, demeanor of the town where people could come to relax and enjoy the environment. And I know this city commission is proud that there hasn't been any increases in the taxes that have driven people away, but why do we keep needing a bigger tax base? And the 43 years that I've been here, the city has grown plenty. And if you encompass all the areas that we've grown to, I think it's plenty. We have to take care of the problems that we have already. Venetian Bay turned into a disaster, if you ask me, and it still is. And I just think that enough needs to be enough. We need to take care of, like I said, the roads that we have that are getting torn up now, all the flooding issues. And I just want to read one little thing that I have a bumper sticker on my car that says, if people destroy something that is replaceable by mankind, they are called vandals. But if they destroy something irreplaceable by God, they are called developers. This pretty much hits the nail on the head for me. Please, city commission, think about it. Maybe we could table this even for a little more input. What's the rush? Obviously there's a lot of concerns. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you very much. Appreciate it I'm Ivy Lloyd at 620 Hammett Lane. I'm 15 years old and also the current Pearson Lions So me, you call it growth and I call it the beginning of the end. Not only would wildlife be losing their homes, but they would be losing their life from fleeing from a place they once called home. 44 and 415 already are deadly roads and will become more deadly adding that many more people. All the people I have met that have grown up in this town as recent as four decades have said, has said how drastically everything has changed. For example, Venetian Bay that we all know today, which is filled with just under 2,000 homes was nothing but cow pastures and farmland. Florida is already bad enough with flooding over the last few years. And voting more homes and tearing down all the swamp lands will only make the flooding problems more worse. Even though their plans say that they will be redirect the water away from structures, however no man made engineering can counteract the force of nature, especially if a hurricane hits us directly off the east coast, it will result in damages 10 times worse. My family moved away from beachside to get away from all the chaos with traffic and development. However, six years later our small town that we love is being threatened. For example, think about Newsomerna, what Newsomerna looked like a hundred years ago versus a hundred years from now. We humans are going to be the reason for the extinction of every living thing on this earth if things keep going in this direction. However, it is extremely disgusting how this, how we even have to vote or discuss about it. It's a waste of my time and it's a waste of yours, especially the Deering Park project was a waste of time because it shouldn't be voted for. So I really hope you make the right decision. Vote no for rezoning. rodeo queen out. Thank you. I appreciate your comments. Thank you very much. Hello everybody. My name is N. Steele. I live at 519 Washington in a church built in 1892 and I love this town. The development services manager clarify that it's not 20,000 homes just 2,150 in the proposal but that number is misleading in context. Just across the line in Edgewater plans are moving forward for 23,000 new homes. Together this creates a massive corridor of development stretching from state road 44 in New Smyrna Beach, all the way to Brevard County and Titusville. We're not talking about a neighborhood, we're talking about an entirely new city forming west of I-95. Let's be honest about how we got here. The comprehensive plan was changed only eight months ago in September of 2024 to pave the way for this zoning vote. The land was previously designated for agriculture, forestry resource, and conservation. Uses that aligned with the role and ecological character of the area. The zoning matched until it didn't. With that comp plan change, it now became inconsistent and here we are tonight. Everyone keeps applauding the set aside of conservation acres. But let's remember this is a massive development on former conservation lands and wet lands in an area already facing daily gridlock worsening floods and explosive population growth. You're not just rezoning land, you're transforming the future of New Sornabeach. That complaint did not need to change, but it did. And now the city and its ecosystems, its traffic, its identity are going to be permanently altered. I was a resident of Los Angeles for the last 10 years and moved back because I love this town, I love the environment, I love the beach, I love the people. And it's 2025. There are resources for people to work remotely. It's not, I've watched tech companies decimate neighborhoods in LA and move on to the next. And I just don't trust the plan in place. Thank you. Thank you very much, ma'am. Appreciate that. Evening. Hi I'm Savannah Elliott. I live on James Street here in Newsmerna. Welcome Savannah. Thanks. It's very clear that if you vote yes on this bill that you are obsessed with economic development. Economic gain and that is not what any of us need here. In fact you might be able to get some of that if you just invested some of your time and energy and our taxpayer dollars into the space that we already have. We do not need another city on top of our city. Just west of it. Just as she said, we do not need tech companies coming in and destroying and gentrifying the space that is the homes of fungus, animals, plants, trees. Don't do it, please. And I know none of that is facts, but what is facts is five of your seats are up for election by 2028. And none of us will be living on that developed land. None of us will be supporting it. And most likely, all of us will be voting against your reelection if you vote yes on this bill. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Hello Cindy. Hello. Cindy, Zack 512, UPON. You know, I thought long and hard about speaking tonight. I have gone covered to covering the the documents for New Smyrna as well as both documents for Edgewater. And while I don't doubt that staff in the attorney have carefully reviewed this document, there are holes in this document. I would hope that you would consider tabling your vote either to a special meeting or the next commission scheduled meeting to close these gaps. And I call them gaps because you cannot be deaf to the sound in the room. So, in the last year, basically, is when all this came to be somewhat clear as a development. Prior to that, there were a workshop here with a hundred attendees and maybe 60 of them were regular people, 40 were from some of the cheerleading groups. So it's in the last year that this has been bubbling up. So there's a feeling that I'm sensing here that people would feel a whole lot better if in this agreement there were language that said requirements for review of any subdivision or site plan by the city commission needed to pass by a supermajority. And I think you would win a whole bunch of people over if you agreed that any changes in the future made to this PUD needed to be done by unanimous vote of the commission. And I say that because Venetian Bay died by degrees and only one of you was on the board ever voting against an amendment. I don't know that that commissioner voted against more voted on more than one, perhaps two at most. So, that would go a long way to buying people's belief that low impact development is truly what the developer will come through. But look at it this way. As I wrote you this afternoon, Mayor, the MDA proposed a new smurner beach is 37 pages long. The MDA for Edgewater is 68 pages long. There is gold in the language that's in that Edgewater MDA that is not in ours. For instance, accessory dwelling units are defined on page 64 of the Edgewater MDA and they can be attached or detached from the primary residence but they do count toward capacity for housing. And they define that they assume 20%, so they will allow 20% of those residences to have an ADU. There are other things in here as well. There's language in an idea that was passed also in edge water that prevailing rules at the time that permits are issued are what will be considered in what gets approved. So there's another dozen or so of those things just pulled from the edge water document. Now why did you know that? Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate your comments. Evening Joe. Good evening, Mayor commissioners. Joe, do you have a little back Venetian Bay? I've been away for a month, so some of my comments may be OBE, but be that as it may. The staff produced the latest version of the stormwater sections in the LDR, and it, I suggest that you approved those before you approved any of the documents associated with Daring Park. Back to stormwater, are we keep hearing about South and West? Well, if you look at the map, west means Sam Sula Canal. Oh, by the way, there is also a shelf of South Village that is to the west too. And while there is a promise not to directly impact Venetian Bay or the Utilities Commission property. Venetian Bay Council on Sam Sula Canal, which is currently undersized and will be impacted indirectly. We need to take a bigger look at the entire issue of storm water management in that section, and I would suggest the same thing for traffic. On the subject of FUDMDA, Venetian Bay was a document that was nearly 100 pages long. The last time I looked, that for Deering Park was only 50 pages. That seems to be inconsistent with the complexity of Deering Park. I would suggest that our coalition has volunteered to pass on. The lessons learned from Venetian Bay as you proceed to go through the other projects. We're still waiting to hear for an invitation to do so. Lastly, in this regards the city, the city had a difficulty managing, doing due diligence for a single development called Venetian Bay. Now you have three on your play Venetian Bay, I'm sorry. During Park, Ardija, and South Village, I would suggest that you're gonna be impacted by there as much more significantly. Thank you. Thank you very much, Joe. Good evening, Tracy. Good evening, Tracy Bravo 2004, Queen Palm Drive Edgewater. I'm approaching this more from a regional standpoint as I've had the pleasure to be part of that. We often hear, in many times, even say it, government doesn't move fast. Well, it's finally enlightening to be here today to witness the submission and hopefully the approval of the Deering Park Innovation Center Plan, a plan that represents not only progress, but a shared commitment to building a better future for Southeast Followsha. Much of it began on February 24th, 2021, the first Southeast Followsha Economic Development Summit had united our cities, business leaders, educators, and residents around a bold vision for regional success. Over the next four years, those regional summits collaborated for a balance sustainable and resilient tomorrow. Not only was the regional economic development strategy adopted, the stakeholders also identified in champion five key initiatives. Infrastructure planning, economic generating lean in use, ongoing regional collaboration, regional resilience and most importantly responsible development. The 1,618 acre mixed-use development with employment opportunities reflects these initiatives with smart and forward-thinking planning. With 413 acres reserve for natural vegetation, the community also preserves what makes this region beautiful while carefully planning growth where it's needed. The Deering Park Plan allows for up to six million square feet of non-residential development that serves as job creating engines for hopefully a diversification of better jobs in Southeast Fallujah. The plan requires 300 square feet of non-residential development for every single family residential unit. This not only furthers the initiative to increase economic land use, but also helps the diversity to diversify the tax-based during economic climates. The jobs of housing approach guarantees that jobs and infrastructure will lend, not lag behind residential growth. I believe Deering Park is more than land and buildings. I think regionally it can be a commitment to smarter growth, stronger collaboration, and resilient future. Together the Southeast, the Lucia region is not just developing, we are shaping a legacy. Once again, I thank you, the government, for not moving fast and making time for clarity and lessons learned to get it right. The planning actions of this commission and previous commissions is commendable for the entire southeast region. Thank you, Mr. Barlow. Appreciate your comments. Thank you, ma'am. Good evening, ma'am. Good evening, my name is Maggie Dreighten. I live at 1490 James Street. Thank you. Welcome Maggie. There's a reason I'm going last because my heart is beating out of my chest. And I do not want to be speaking right now. But I am. I'm here because need to say, but I'm speaking on behalf of my two and a half year old son. No two and a half year old, 20 years down the line is going to say, wish there was more development. It's just not the case. Think about where you were living in New Samirna or somewhere else. As that kid, you did not want this to happen. He does not want this to happen. Our community on James Street, which we have invited families with young children, we are building our own agricultural neighborhood, our own system of growing and living with young children. They do not want this. And when you look at the people who have come up to speak tonight, you see a broad spectrum of people who are against this, young and old. I have not seen that from the other side tonight. I have not seen the young people come up and say, please vote yes for this. I just haven't. And maybe that's not their due diligence. Maybe they should have come out and gone into our community and asked some young people to come up and speak on behalf of this development. Because I hear all of this talk and listen, I'm a business woman, I'm a business coach. I'm actually a capitalist, even though I own a farm, and I'm all about sustainable agriculture and a Democrat. But I'm all for business. I'm all for business and bringing in jobs. But like there are so many jobs that are here. There are so many things here in this community that could benefit from more love and more respect and more infrastructure. We do not need to bring in these things. We have them all right here. We just need to think more creatively, including. So places like Venetian Bay, my company, Rebel Farms, my do, my husband came up and spoke about the flooding. So enough people have spoken about the flooding. We cannot go into these HOAs and build gardens and install fruit trees. These developments that are coming in are not, like I heard the term over the last couple of weeks in researching this of greenwashing. Like it's just brainwashing of telling you they're doing things that are green, but really these things do not accept sustain real sustainable practices, that we are practicing of growing food in our communities, putting raised bed gardens, growing fruit trees. There are so many projects I could use, this type of infrastructure and business, and this is not it. And I love all the things of tabling this to see how it maybe could be it, but right now it's not. Thank you. Thank you, Maggie. Appreciate your comments. Thank you. You, ma. Carmel Vaden 110, Port of Fino Boulevard, Venetian Bay. I'm gonna make it short and sweet. Venetian Bay is not fixed yet. Venetian Bay is not fixed yet. I've been up here a few times and it's still not right. So I'm obviously very concerned if we can't even break the leaves in our backyard yet. How myself and others are going to be confident of the hearing of other things that are going on. I heard that maybe we need more staff because there certainly was not enough when Venetian Bay. Venetian Bay has morphed into the developer saying, well, I'm going to ask if I can change and add more of this, more of that. And my, I don't think I've been naive that the same thing was probably going to happen with Deering. Now, one last thing my husband spoke earlier about $40 an hour in the tax and at the end he mentioned the aquifer if we don't have enough water and we may have to translate it to a different material. Well, that's going to cost money if that happens. So does that mean we're so lucky right now? We don't pay high utilities. This is amazing here. Are you kidding me? So if that happens, does that mean the cost of living is going to go up where we're going to have to pay a couple hundred dollars a month for water to drink? Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate your comments Anyone else for public? Anyone else for public participation and see Ms. Harris moving up? Good evening, everyone. I would like to Approach the commission again Been here several times to look at our work that we have to do right now. We're trying to expand the city. That's wonderful and I would like to have my son and some of my grandchildren take time to come back down south, be here, but I want to see us do what we need to do for the city right now. Right now, we need the stormwater drainage taken care of. We need people that get out and maybe be hired by the city to help us clean the ditches. And we need just a lot of work done right here in the city to provide housing for people. Our regular people, no income people. So we need to try to address those two days, if we can, and just slow down just a little bit. a little bit. I think we're trying to handle too many things at one time and I just feel that we need to address what we have on our plate right now. Get the city under control, like I should say, with our storm water that's gonna come soon. And it started yesterday and day before. I drove over to D.L.A. and I almost slipped off the road into a ditch. So we need to really look at what's happening right here in our city. I know we wanna grow and I'd love to see us grow real fast real fast but we need to take care of these problems that we have here slow down and thank you thank you miss Harris appreciate your comments thank you thank you miss ma'am anyone else for public participation yes ma'am K. Kennedy Salinger 28-09 Glenwood Avenue. Speak up as much as you can. Sorry, Kennedy Salinger 28-09 Glenwood Avenue. I wasn't planning on speaking tonight and I don't have anything prepared so I apologize if I'm Stutter a little bit but I kept hearing one thing all night that I felt like I needed to address and everyone who has been for this has been for future development, future residents, future jobs, but you have a lot of current residents here that are voicing their, you know, disdain of we don't want any more development. They're telling you, hey, we have current businesses in your community that, you know, that are currently running, that are going to be at risk with this added development. We already have problems with, you know, traffic for current residents. We have all of the problems that everyone has named tonight, but it's current residents that are here urging you to listen to us and listen to what is going on and go over our problems first before introducing more, especially the flooding. And I know everyone has brought it up, but I've seen so many families that are just now getting back into their residences and we're talking about adding more to it. So I just urge you to listen to your current residents right now, the ones who, and like someone did say, will be voting for you before the new residents come in. We are the ones here now, so please listen to what we are saying because we're all you got right now. There isn't any current the no one's yet no one else is here So you have us and we're the ones that are going to be Coming to these meetings as much as we can and voicing our opinions Thank you, ma'am. I'm the time appreciate your comments Beauty ma'am Hi, my name is Cheryl Benedict. I live on the other side of that Samson lookin' out. 140 Hughes Road. I too was not going to speak tonight, but I feel compelled to because of the discussion of this canal that I live on the other side of. That canal came through my front door. And I don't want to see it happen again. And I keep hearing the same thing about stewardship, land stewardship. And if you know my last name, it's Benedict. I married into a 100 year farming family here in New Sumerna Beach. A steward of the land practices biodiversity of the land. They do its best for the land and those that live on it. They don't lay concrete. I hope you vote now. You should listen to the people that are here now. Please vote now. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate your comments. Anyone else? Good evening. Good evening. Alison coach 1118 Marsh, Sal Street. Welcome, Alison. Thank you. Thank you from My heart for being here and your due diligence and everything you've been going through. I Think my main question is with such a fantastic turnout of all of our citizens here for and against during Park Innovation Center. I'm wondering where they were during your workshops because if I did anything incorrectly I should have had a sign to promote those workshops and I won't take much more of your time because I know you've done a lot. And I again appreciate that. But my heartfelt thanks would like to be extended to the Deering family, to the Deering team. I truly sincerely believe that they are giving our city a phenomenal opportunity. It's almost like they're serving it on a platter to us. I know we have concerns on my heart bleeds for everyone who has had flooding issues. Everything is being addressed. You're looking at it all. The Deering Team is just a gift to us. So I hope you'll keep that in mind and know that I'm very much in favor. I wish I can buy a house out there. Hopefully if I join the mayor's program. Order. Order. Are we going to clear the room? Yeah. I apologize for that, but I'm hoping that with the mirrors program, I'll live long enough to buy a house out there. It's what I meant. Or maybe a retirement property. I don't know. Anyway, thank you for all you do. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate your comments. This ma'am. Good evening. Thank you for your time. I'm gonna remain anonymous. I do own a home and Which I hope to live in again very soon on the beach side and the middle beach side area and it was flooded horrendously in Matthew and Irma and even worse in Ian and Nicole and subsequent hurricanes. And since Hurricane Ian, I've been out of my home and have not been able to move back into it because of the damage and the scope of the damage that was created by that and the infrastructure in this city has a very big Problem and is not been addressed and I don't think this is going to help and I oppose the daring project Evie ma'am My name is Greg Arzahn and I'm at 173 Temple. I wasn't planning on speaking. I'm not a gracer. But I just don't understand we're sitting here and I didn't see one person under the age of 15, 50 come up here and say, oh, this is good for the young community. No one in the young community thinks that. No one's saying that. I am a mother. I have three young children. I have a husband where a single income family. So that man that wanted to stand up here and say that you can't do it. That's not accurate. He was my grandfather's age. Obviously he's out of touch with what's going on. My house is flooded multiple times. That has not been addressed. Those problems haven't been fixed. There's been little band-aids of, oh, well, we'll clean a little bit of the canal, make you feel better when it's done nothing. We couldn't have even trusted you guys to have a big enough area for your community to be in here tonight, yet we're supposed to trust that you're able to do this project correctly and make sure it's done right. It's also very disheartening that at the beginning of the meeting it was very blatantly said that if you don't have the correct credentials that nothing that we're saying actually matters so it feels not even worth being here because I don't know what credentials were because those weren't specified that we need to have to be even listened to or considered. I love my town, I love being here and I don't want to be pushed out by a big top tech company because the rest of us can't stay here and do this if we're gonna flood every year or so. I cannot afford to replace my house. I do not want to wake up to flash flood alarms get my money. I'm going to have to go to the store and get my money. I'm going to have to go to the store and get my money. I'm going to have to go to the store and get my money. I'm going to have to go even know my address. 361 Western roads, excuse me, I live in Sam Sula. Welcome. My family moved here 30 years ago from Miami. They are developing family as well. Over that 30 year time, I have resided in Bethun with my parents. And then as a young adult, I lived on beach side in like Crawford, Kirkland areas, central beach side. And now I live with my family in Sam Sula, so countryland. So now I've gotten a bit of all of New Samarana, I feel like. And over those 30 years, I've seen a lot of different development. It's kind of looking like a new Miami to me, just coming from that area. I still have family in Bokas, well, and it's just kind of looking to be more of that development land. As some other people local have said, there's a certain vibe to New Sumerna. That's what my family fell in love with when we came here in 94, and that is, I don't feel it as much anymore. As someone said again, there was a car accident on South Causeway like a month ago. I had to park just so I wasn't late for my job that was two blocks down the street. It would have taken me an hour and a half to get there, but I just parked in what there. So I think we do have a lot of issues as many people have said that we need to kind of address before we kind of get into another whole ball field. Thank you very much. Thank you for your comments. Appreciate it, ma'am. Evening sir. Good evening. My name is Jim Dick out 25 25 Glenwood Avenue. Welcome Jim. My wife and I basically came to Florida and the winters to from Maine to spend our time in in different places. We spent time in the Palm Coast, Daytona Beach, Daytona Beach shores. And then we spent time here in New Smirna and end up buying a house. The reason we bought a house here in New Smirna, because it felt like home. It didn't feel like the ABCDEFGHIJK development up in Palm Coast with BoxD, Boxstar, Boxstar, Boxdoor, Build Build Build. It's not that way here. Your people here that voted you in, not the life that they are promised. And I'm telling you right now, you're going with builders. Yes, you've got both feet in and you're taking the, drinking the Kool-Aid. I grew up in upstate New York, development, development, development, and what happened? Now they get crime. Now they have that people that they're living off the state. They have all these issues. We have a full house. If you look around and drive down Route 44, or even during the day, there's so much traffic. special end of the weekend. We live here and can't get on our own beach. You're looking to tan a conservation area into a residential area. It's a simple thing, yes or no. It's not, do we want to build this because it's going to bring in jobs? If you can prove to me that it's going to bring in all these jobs, I've been a homeowner of business, I've known mortgage companies, apartment buildings, and everything else. And I'm going to tell you what, you're living a dream. Because you can't promise me what the economy is going to do tomorrow or the next day. You can't promise me that if you build this, people will come. Because you know what? You don't know, none of you do. And if you think about it, if you did, then you'd probably put your own money in it, but you didn't. I thank you. Thank you for your time. Appreciate your comments, sir. Thank you. Anybody else for public participation? I see Mr. McHenry making his way. I'm right about there, Randy. Thank you for letting me talk. Comitures, you're going to have to vote for something that's going to be done over the next 20 to 50 years. And for us to talk about, oh, there's too much traffic right now. Whether you vote yes or no, we all know I've lived here for 25 years or so. And there are more people moving here every year. You can vote no. Is that going to stop the people from moving here? Not at all. They're still going to move here. If you vote yes, they're still going to move here. So the question you have to ask yourself whether you're going to vote yes or no is not going to mean whether they're going to be more people moving here, whether it's going to get more developed, regardless of how you vote, that's going to happen. So I think that you have a real opportunity. We have people that are willing to spend the time, the effort, and the money, and they're right out here and say, look, we'll help you do this. We'll set all this land aside aside and I think that we should definitely take the opportunity to work with people that are willing to work on the 50 or the 100 year plan and not just say oh we're going to we're going to keep people from developing. That's not going to happen you're going to have a whole bunch of little developers developing on their own with just two or three acres at a time or 10 acres at a time. And I think you're really going to miss the boat. If you don't take advantage of this opportunity we have to develop something that's going to be for a 50-year period or a 100- period and it's well-planned and the people there have the time, the energy and the money to work with our planning department to get it done right. So please vote yes. Thank you very comments are appreciated. Shane would you help Mr. McKHenry please? Anybody else for public participation? Seeing none, public participation is now closed. I'm looking at the hour and would entertain a motion to extend one time or not to 11 o'clock. It's a motion to continue to 11 o'clock? Well, a motion to, and a second, Adam City Clerk, please call the roll. Let me have, let's have some discussion. So there's no way we'll finish the entire agenda tonight. We'll, we may finish, we may get to a vote on this before 11 o'clock. There are other items. Madam City Attorney is appropriate if we don't finish the items. We have an opportunity reconvene on Thursday night. Would that be when we would reconvene to finish the business of this meeting? Yes, you've closed the public hearing portion. You're now at commission deliberations. If this vote fails, then I would just ask that you give me time to run through and continue the items that are still left on the agenda to preserve advertising and all of those things. Got it, so that would be the case though. Thursday is the time slot that we would use in this building where we have a planned workshop. We would start with a commission meeting and then conclude this business and then start the commission meeting. They workshops are accurate. Works for me. Okay, very good. So that's my concern. We can continue for another half hour. I doubt we will conclude all the business, but we could probably dispense with this one item depending on your will and the amount of conversation that we generate here. So with that, Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Vice Mayor Martin. No. Commissioner Perrine. Yes. Commissioner McGurk. Yes. Commissioner Ashley. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. No. So the motion carries and we will continue to 11. Public participation is now closed. Public hearing is now close. Any closing remarks from city staff. Shane anything from you. Closing remarks from the applicant, Mr. Storch. We're available for any questions. Very good, okay. So that leaves it to the commission for a discussion. I open that to my colleagues and I'll start with Commissioner Ashley. Well, we saw a lot of opinions here tonight and I do have my own opinion and I kind of look at it this way. We have the opportunity to do the most extensive stormwater study ever done in the state of Florida by voting yesterday. And at every step of the way, if something goes wrong, the way the MDA is written, we can stop it. So I don't feel the, I live in Venetian Bay too. My house got nearly flutter too. I have a lot of neighbors that got fluttered. Because of the way the MDA is written and because of the research that I have personally done and the trip to Abukoa and all the other discussions that I've had with other people. I just I think that this is the most sensible way to proceed forward, acknowledging what Randy said, people are going to move here no matter what. And it's better to be prepared than not prepared. And in my opinion, this MDA is the safest way to go forward. Because like I said, there are safeguards and stops that we can employ along the way. Appreciate that. Thank you, sir. Commissioner Martin. I first of all, I'm so impressed by the number of the under 50s that have attended tonight and really appreciate their perspective on they'll be inherited this. So I continue to have questions and concerns. Mr. McGurk. Thank you, Mayor. The first thing I want to do is thank all the people who showed up tonight, whether you are opposing it or in favor of it. I'm particularly impressed by the number of young people who have come out tonight. That is something that has been pretty. That's unique. I haven't seen this kind of young turnout probably ever. There's a couple of issues that I want to follow up on. One is and I'll first ask Shane to come up. Shane, we have some oyster farmers, people who are concerned about the runoff of this water into the lagoon. Can you shed any light on how that will work, how it will be handled, and why that would not happen. I don't know exactly the location of where they're talking about, but with the storm water systems, typically what happens is the ponds catch the water and they hold it long enough to allow the sediment and pollutants to drop out of it before it can be discharged into canal and head out into another body of water. So that's the way those are engineered and designed. In this case, they're talking about discharging into the conservation area where they have tens of thousands of acres. So that would have to go to the storm water ponds, settle there before it could be then discharge into that large conservation area of wetlands. Before it could even make its way into the bay, River Lagoon. Okay, the applicant can go on. I'd like you to come up and help answer that question if you would. Yeah. I sympathize with the oyster farmers because I basically helped create sewer systems down about them beach to take the nutrients out of those areas that were affecting oyster farms. We're doing the same thing right now. We're creating a wetland park to take the nutrients that edge water is putting into the mosquito lagoon and we're building that right now. There is not going to be any of this stormwater going into the lagoon. There will certainly be no more than it. There will be some less than or equal amount going under the interstate. There'll be some less than or equal amount potentially going in the SAMHSA lookin' out. But most of this, especially during the massive stormwater systems, the stormwater, unprecedented stormwaters, will be going south into the area where it can be contained, where it has some place to go. None of it has any effect on the nutrient levels in mosquito lagoon. And again, everything we're doing here, including the wetland park we're creating, to create, to take the nutrients out of the lagoon is to help the oyster farmers. Thank you for that insight. Shane, please stay up. if any of this development is in a needs compensating storage, which is in a wetland or, um, not necessarily. Well, what could be in the flood plain and not, I'm not sure I got to my question. I was thinking how to articulate it. If any of this development is actually built on a wetland, the compensating storage is 150%. Is that correct? Well, let's back up. I could be in floodplain and not be in a wetland. So we have established buffers for wetlands in order to develop a wetland. You would need St. John's approval as well as leave the Army Corps. But if you're in a floodplain, yes, it's a hundred and fifty percent mitigation. So you create fifty percent more storage in addition to what you replace. Thank you for that clarification. What I meant to say is the floodplain. we have the highest degree of requirements in the county of pollution. That's correct. Okay. Accountability, we've had a problem with accountability in Venetian Bay. That was a big issue with a lot of people, a lot of us, it is my understanding that through this bond that deals with the lack of accountability that we had with Venetian Bay and creates the accountability by having dollars available if by God there's any mistake or problem with the development itself. That's correct. OK. Um. I've heard a number of people refer to this as our wetlands, our conservation lands. The reality of that is it's privately owned. It's not ours per se. And you get to reasonably build on, reasonably, build on your private property. Senate Bill 180 is incredibly important for everybody for pay attention to, but it's just one bill and we have had dozens and dozens of bills that the Florida legislature has passed or tried to pass that takes away our ability to regulate. I love that everybody came out but one of the most important takeaways from this meeting tonight is to understand that we do not get to be judge jury and executioner. I would love to be able to vote on these issues with my own personal opinion. That is that is order please. That is specifically what the city attorney was alluding to when we have our own rules and regulations. The problem with that and the reason it's not our job, we'd love for it to be our job. I would love for it to be my job. But the Florida legislature has eaten away at something called home rule, which home rule was created to allow us to be able to create and make the decisions. The definition of home rule is whoever lives in the community is the best person to make the decisions for that community and that's called called home role. And the legislature, over the past 10 years, has greatly, greatly affected our ability to do that. And I know the young woman from Temple, my heart goes out to you, Elisid Acres, it is super, super low. I want you to understand something. And I don't know if you've been told this, but the reality of it is this. A lot of old neighborhoods in this community were built. If your community is built before the mid to late 80s, there was no storm water plan. There was no base flood elevation, which means there was no requirement that you had to be in certain height. There are a number of properties that are around five feet, four to six feet in elevation, both in and Milton created title surges that were a five feet. No matter what anybody does, there's no government, federal, state, local, county. When we have a title search of five feet, you're always gonna flood. You can't stop the ocean from coming in during a hurricane. I have five if you persist I'll have your removes, sir. We've closed the public participation. You're welcome to stay and listen to us debate this. I am more than welcome. I would love to meet with anybody on these issues at any time. And I would be more than happy to show you the evidence, the facts of what I'm talking about. But I want people to understand that some of the things that they hear out there are not entirely accurate. So as we move forward on this vote tonight, it is a very difficult vote as many of you have come out and shown your love for the community, your support for the community. And that is fantastic. The long-term vision in this community is to be able to save as many of the lands as possible. The most proud I have been of this community ever were those voters in this city through voter referendum that agreed to pay on their property taxes, the Turnbull Bay bond that allowed the city to buy and develop by property that is undeveloped that was ready for developers to develop that was awesome that was unheard of almost no one I don't know anybody in the state or in the country who else has done that. But the voters in this community did that. And the reason I bring that up is, when they refer to us being these developers putting 71 square miles of property and conservation and perpetuity. You're not having to pay for that. We are paying for the term will bond to your taxes and I would love to continue that program. But in this case, this developer is taking and let that sink in, 71 square miles. That's gonna to be free, and that's going to be a benefit to everybody in this community. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you very much Mr. Gerrton. Mr. Perrine. Thank you. He hit on some of the things I was going to say. So one of the things you just mentioned was the bond money that we voted on. We have only been able to get 175 acres in that. And we've spent $10 million on that of your taxpayer money. The thing that we're looking at now that is the problem is that we have to maintain that land. And we're looking at how we go about that and how we start budgeting, how we maintain that conservation land that we've purchased because to stop fires, to do it correctly, you've got to go in and you have to do work on that land. And you have to cut out the underbrush, the things that are bad, the waxy plants. It's huge, or we have force fires and then we will have issues with our community. Conservation is very important to me, but the daring people have promised and put it in there in master development plan that they will maintain this conservation land. So it's not another tax expense on the city. We've never been able, as long as I lived here in years to come up with to be able to put this much land in conservation ever. So that is huge. Okay, let's look at the storm water maintenance. When lady said we need to take care of our issues now. Well, if you look on our agenda tonight, we did vote on the storm water getting grants for that area. And we have been, we just voted on the most strict storm water plan in Valuescia County, and probably most of the state. We have no one has done what this board up here has done. So for people that haven't even been following us to come in here and criticize this board saying that we haven't done the things we want to protect our environment, it's very disturbing to the people up here that cares much as we do. What I really love seeing are the young people. But we were voted in to also represent 32,000 people, not the people that just came to yell and support about conservation when we are addressing conservation. I have two questions that I have. I took eight pages of notes, but I have two questions for Shane or Mr. Storch. I really love how the bond many is coming to. I've never seen that in all the years. And that is protection for our citizens. But somebody mentioned something that sparked something, the Tin Acre tracks that you've mentioned in one of our past web workshops. Those would be on septic. If we let this go and they develop those ten actor acre tracks and single families instead of doing that, how many septic systems are with that equal? You would have, if you did it under the existing arms the previous comp plan, you'd probably have 114 septic tanks at least. But the problem is, again, right now, this land is comp planned for industrial mixed use. So the current zoning is inconsistent. So I don't think you could build ranchats at this point. OK. At one time before we changed the comp plan, we could have. was our concern then just a little bit of a history because we've been also trying the city we've got a plan with the utilities commission to get everybody off the septic eventually and get them on city sewer that again is addressing a lot of our issues. The last question I have, these ADUs, to me, is very important we have those because that is affordable housing. And you stated how many that we would have and I understand the difference. It isn't a unit and I think they bred something about edge water actually describing the difference of those. To me an ADU is like a guest house where you can put your children or your adult children that are working. Our desire for this community is live, work, play, walk, not create more traffic. A lot of that traffic may not come here. We don't know, but we can't do a traffic study until we get involved in it. And at that time, we can say, time out, stop. We don't need that at this point, correct? That's correct. Every single project that comes in, every single subdivision, every single project that comes into the end of the end of the end of the end of the end of the end of the end for every phase, a TIA. And that TIA, that traffic impact analysis, will make a determination as to what improvements would be required to absorb those impacts. So there may be, when you do some of these things, there may be requirements for expansion to 44 or a right turn lane on mission road because we're not going to just deal with just this area. They'll deal with whatever traffic is generated. That's the way they work, but they will actually happen as you're going through the process at the time you're going through the process. Because again, this is a planning process. If we do the development in five or ten years of whatever, your traffic is going to be totally different at that point. And so you need to be able to analyze the traffic then, the traffic impacts and what improvements will be required to be built to fix for those at the deal that are in the back. Thank you. I think you guys have addressed. I've had so many questions over the last few years and you've been very open and honest and addressed every single one and even with my briefing today or yesterday I had two pages again and staff has single one. And even with my briefing today, or yesterday, I had two pages again. And staff has reached out. I know a lot of those were things that I dug into this contract deeply. And I've never seen anything this good. So thank you. And I got to tell you, it's because of all the input we've had from all the neighbors, all the impact we have on staff. But more importantly for me, it's because I have a client that is willing to do this. There is no other client I've ever had in 40 years that would put forth this kind of effort and put through this much effort to deal with a planning exercise really. Because we haven't come to you with the idea of we're going to build tomorrow. We've come to you with the idea of let's work together to plan and plan for the stormwater and do the studies that are necessary and take the time to do this right. And I think that's what your staff and the client have worked together on. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Commissioner. If you are under 50 or under 50 work together on. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Commissioner. If you are under 50 or under and you came here and either spoke or are here in a proposition to this, would you please stand? Thank you. I've got the picture. I got the site picture now. Thank you so much. I Thank you. I've got the picture. I got the site picture now. Thank you so much. I want to be supportive of the people that are our future and you're in this room. So thank you for starting to participate in the government process that I didn't know anything about before I got elected to come up here. So thank you for starting. Think about getting a job up here. It's worth it. At the risk of invalidating my vote and breaking the oath I made, I would be voting with you on a motion. I would do that. One of the toddlers when Hurricane Donna hit this state in the early 60s, they got yanked out of the crib and had to flee our home because it was flooding. So the young mother that came up, I relate 100% and it crushes me that that that happens here in our state, in our town and in each of our neighborhoods. Young Ivy, 15 years old, got up here and gave her very best of why in her mind this shouldn't happen. But it took the oath that every other commissioner took to say that we will play by the rules that are set up and that we are being legislated by that says here's what we will do and we will do it based on expert testimony. We will do it based on procedures of evidence and we will do it on due course, due cause. And so those are the rule books, that is the rule book why we're here. Prior to tonight I've consulted with Southeast United States and certainly Florida's leading environmentalist, conservative, conservationist, and ecologist. Many of you may know the name of Dr. Clay Henderson. I called Clay and said, I am in a pickle and I've got this big decision coming up. I would like your expert opinion, Dr. Henderson, about this project. His remarks were it is in keeping with the highest standards that we have insisted on throughout the state for both water management for wildlife preservation and for conservancy of the lands. And I don't know, I'll forget more about this type of stuff than I'll ever learn. So if you don't know, any of you who have been in this room for a while have heard Dr. Henderson come in and opine. And the book he has written about how Florida needs to be preserved. This is the type of preservation that he wants us to stand up for. So on the environmental side, and I'm environmentalist, 128 oak trees in our yard, and we love every one of them. And we're going to make sure that we keep it as green as we can possibly keep it. I don't see that we're doing harm. I've looked at a picture of this town on August 9th of 1924 and a picture of this town on August 9th, 2024 after Milton, their identical. The streets are flooded, the trees are down, and it's a devastation, it's like a war zone. So the story or the postulate that it's getting worse doesn't ring true for me. It was like that a hundred years ago. And if you listen to our county engineer who talks about rainfall and the cycles between troughs and valleys, the valley will last about ten years and then we're in this high ridge and we're on the first few years of the high ridge. We're gonna get more rain per storm for a long, long time. And then it'll go back down. So I don't know that it's changing because of development. I can't, the math doesn't work for me. You've seen a process tonight that is lasted for months of transparency, solid mythology, the methodology we have used has been solid. The documentation is there. There's some that say it has changed. You've heard me examine the city's planter and the city's attorney that every new word has been examined and is in keeping with what we want to have it say that protects our city. It's been a process-based procedure. So to that end, we've told these guys, you can't just make a nice paradise out west. You can do no harm and no damage to all of the rest of us who live in other parts of town. And we will stop your development instantly if you don't raise all the boats, lift all the boats, make sure that everybody is better off by doing something out west. And we've got those procedures as Director Corbin has said. Not the least of which is relief on 44. This is designed by not the first one, but at least the second one or third one in our state to be resilient, which means it should be able to sustain hurricane force winds and not fall apart. Just like Babcock ranch did on Hurricane E in South West and came through in flying colors. It's supposed to be self-sufficient which means you don't need to get on the road to get out and get your groceries or go shop or whatever. Yep, you want to go to the beach, you're going to have to play the game. And that's something we're going to solve over time with our new traffic director and with the county helping us about access on the beach. And as Mr. McKenry and Mammy others have said, those folks are still going to come. Our jobs are to try to get the flow right so that we advise people that want to come here. Here's the situation you're walking into. You better make a different decision or a different beach based on the tides, based on the volume and the flow we have here. I'm a wildlife conservationist. You hear about 71 square miles of wildlife that'll be protected and that this is a drop in the bucket compared to that but the quarter of the during park 1600 acres is going to be connected to this wildlife corridor and if we don't keep that wildlife corridor in Florida, Dr. Henderson assures me it will be the beginning of the end of our natural environment here and our ecosystem. So we absolutely have to keep that open in life. Water management, it is not an afterthought, it is the first thought. It's the first thought on all your minds and on all our city staffs minds and on this commission's minds to do no harm for water management. And I assure you that the bond that has been is going to be be paid, which is a first in Florida, which will protect against when things go wrong and things will go wrong, but Eeson Bay was probably built with the best intentions. It went wrong and it needs to be fixed. We've got a bond now that says that we won't, you and I, it's taxpayers, we won't eat that. We will depend on the Deering Park fund to make sure that it gets fixed in perpetuity. You just don't see that. That's not anywhere else in Florida. So these are many items that conflict with my gut, my heart, which hurts for the many people and the young people who stood up and said, hey, I haven't been here before, but I'm here tonight because this is important to me. And I get that. And so, this is not a cake walk or an easy job up here and the threat that many have made that says we will vote you out, please do, because if you want to come up and give this a try, we need young people to come up and give this a try. We need new faces, we need new minds, we need new ideas. All right, you bet you're buying. A lot of people say that this is the worst thing that could ever happen to because of the Mabies, the cast doubt and dispersions. You know the first guy that screwed up this country, guy named Edison. We had pretty nice nice life while it was daylight, and we could stop working when the sun went down. He screwed it up pretty bad by inventing the light bulbs. Second, people that screwed it up were horrible and willver right when they said we should be flying. Henry Ford probably screwed it up pretty good when he said let's figure out how to mass produce things. You get the general idea. So we can be cautious and say hell no we won't go this is too bold but but the indicators I have are different or otherwise. Any of you, by the way, is from my colleagues. Is there a motion to adopt ordinance 51-24? I'll make that motion. It's a motion. I'll second it. And there's a second. Any further discussion? Mayor. Yes, ma'am. I just wanted for the record, we've had a few stipulations. So the applicant has agreed to stipulate to include in section two, substance of our ordinance 0625, the higher store-moder standards and including languages 4.S to make that role. There's also a stipulation by Mr. Cox regarding section three that if it's equal or greater than 500 units there would be two larger amenities and then there was a clarification on the UC's eight acres of upland land. So those three are on the record. The other two that I don't know if you want to include in your motion or not. One's just a typo just cleaning up the both that one of our public participants is in section six and twenty one. I'm sure you could stipulate to that. Okay. So the only thing left that you all discussed would be the ADUs and specifying the number. So I just wanted to put those things out there. Okay, so the motion on the floor is to approve it as written. I can pull that off and Lisa can make her motion to change it if you want to make that as's numbers changed. What I am concerned because it's after 11 so I don't know where the hard stop is. But I would make a motion to include. Yeah, there's a motion on the floor. If you'd like to make it, I can pull it and we can start over and see if your motion passes but it doesn't will get on with the rest of it. I made the motion so I can amend it to include the additional stipulated language and related language since I made the original motion. Very good so you want to change the number. I would like to change it to include that and I don't need to change ADUs. Okay very good. I can second ask. I'm sorry Mr. Storch. I will confirm those are stipulations of the applicant. Okay, thank you very much. Okay, so as amended and as stipulated by the applicant, the motion on the floor is to approve 51-24 with the adjustments that the city attorney has stated. Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner Ashley. Yes. Vice Mayor Martin. I'm sorry, I'm just not quite there yet. So no. Commissioner Perrine. Yes. Commissioner McGurk. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. Yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much Okay, so we're out of time, but you need to you need some time to read read some things. Okay, very good. Please do thank you Go right ahead and I'm sitting you turn Ordnance number 21-25 in ordinance of the City of Newsmen and Beach, amending the land development regulations, amending Article 5 zoning districts, section 502, specific regulations by district, to revise the conditions for wedding venues in the A2 agriculture zoning district, providing for codification, providing for public hearing, providing for conflicting ordinances, providing for severability, and providing an effective date. We need a motion to continue this public hearing to May 15th. So move. A motion to continue. Is there a second? Second. Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner Ashley. Yes. Vice Mayor Martin. Yes. Commissioner Perrine. Yes. Commissioner McGurk. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. Yes. Okay. We're out of time. We will commence this. I need to just do more. You have more. I do. I will be speedy quick. Ordnance number 2225. And ordnance of the city of Newsborne Abiche annexing 18.2 plus from minus acres of property generally located south of Page Avenue. West of Cormin Park wrote at the terminus of Wildwood and South Timber Lane drives, providing for redefining boundaries of the city, designated in the property within. The second minus acres of property generally located South of Pagiavanyu. West of Cormin Park wrote at the terminus of Wildwood and South Timber Lane drives. Providing for redefining boundaries of the city, designated in the property within Commission Zone 4. Providing for public caring, provided for required filings. Providing for conflicting ordinances, providing for severability and providing an effective date. Second reading public caring May 27th, 2025. ordinance number 2325 in Ornus City and Newspirnda Beach. Meaning the comprehensive plan changing the future land use designation 18.2 post for Madness Acres of Property, generally located south of Paige Avenue. ordinance number 2325 in Ornus City and Newspirnda Beach, remaining the comprehensive plan changing the future land use designation 18.2 post-traumatic acres of property, generally located south of Paige Avenue, west of Corkwood Park Road, at the terminus of Wildwood and South Timber Lane drives from Vluch County Urban Low Intensity and low impact urban to city conservation, right and for amendment of the associated comprehensive land maps to show the area incorporated into the city, We're ready for public hearing, we're ready for conflicting ordinances and writing effective date, second reading with public hearing May 27th, 2025, ordinance number. in maps to show the area incorporated into the city, provided for public hearing, provided for conflicting ordinances and providing effective date. Second reading, public hearing May 27th, 2025, ordinance number 2425. Ornance of the City of New Smirnov Beach, rezoning 18.2 plus marines, eager as a property generally located south of Page Avenue west of Corbin Park Road at the terminus of Wildwood and South Timber Lane Drives from of Blue Shack County R3 and R31A, Urban Sable Family Residential Airport Overlaid to City, CA Conservation Airport Overlaid overlay zoning district, writing for conflicting ordinances, writing for severability and providing an effective date. Secondary meeting, public hearing will be May 27, 2025. Ordnance number 2525, in ordinance of the city and the news for NABJ annexing 17.5 plus five aches. It goes to property with generally located South Bay, Javinew, West of Corp and Park Road addressed as 2350, Page Avenue, providing for redefining boundaries of the city, designated in the property within Commission Zone 4, provided for public hearing, providing for required filings, providing for conflicting ordinances, providing for severability and providing an effective date, second reading public hearing, May 27th, 2025, ordinance number 2625. Orniths of the City of Newspaper and the beach in the Comprehensive Plan changing the future land use designation of 17.5 plus for money-sacres of Property generally located south of Page Avenue west of Corbin Park Road addresses 2350 Page Avenue from Blue Beach County Urban Low Intensity and Low Impact Urban to City Conservation Providing for a Memana associated comprehensive plan maps to show the area incorporated into the city providing for public hearing, providing for conflicting ordinances and providing an effective date. Second reading and public hearing will be May 27th, 2025. Ordnance number 2725 in the ordinances to the city of Newspaper, Nubiche. Resowning 17.5 plus or minus acres of property. Generally located south of Pagia, and in West of Corbin Road, The address is 2350, Pageant. I'm from Bluewich County, R3 in R3-1A. Urban Single Family Residential Airport, or Relay to City. The only located south of Pajama, and in West of Corbin Road, dressed as 2350 Pajama, and from Voulish County R3 and R31A, urban single-family residential airport, Irvila to city CA, conservation airport, Irvila zoning district, providing for conflicting ordinances, providing for severability, and providing an effective date, second-rooming public clearing would be May 27th, 2025. Ordnance number 2825, ordinance approving the issuance of the utilities by the Utilities Commission, City of Nisperna Beach, Florida, a utility system improvement revenue bonds and an aggregate at principal amount not exceeding $130 million. Providing for conflicting ordinances and providing an effective date, second reading in public hearing will be May 27th, 2025. And then if we just have one motion from the commission to continue the remaining items on the agenda to May 15th on the commission. Okay, well and to specify May 15th, 5 p.m. a special city commission meeting with the workshop to follow. Is there any interest in starting any earlier? I would love to start earlier if possible. Three o me too. Is that three o'clock, maybe? For the workshop. It'll work because we don't have the ordinances on there. Just so we don't end up going so late. Any objections? No. Without objection, then we'll start at three o'clock. Motion and second. Make a motion to start the remainder of the city Commission meeting at 3 o'clock on Thursday the 15 Second, second, then City Clerk, please call the roll Commissioner McGurk. Yes, Commissioner Ashley. Yes, Vice Mayor Martin Doing a quick check of my calendar I do have a three o'clock conference conflict, but I'll try to make it. Was that a yes or no? Apparently I'll be in the minority, so I will make a change. We need it for the record, a yes or a no on the board. Yes. Very good, thank you, ma'am. Commissioner Burin. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. Yes, thank you, motion carries. And so I'll see everybody at three o'clock. Thank you.