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I will now call the March 3rd, 25th Board of Staff of, a board of supervising to board. This meeting will be held in custody. Signed to the battles of the Cumberland County, the January Board of supervising to ensure a fair, borderly and safe meeting. Miss French, please call for. Mr. Hamlet. Dear. Mr. Newman. You know? The Secretary here. Mr. Hamlet. Here. Mr. Newman. Yes. Secretary. Here. Mr. Smith. Here. Good evening. I'll call the orange for March 3rd, 25th. I was trying to work shut the planning mission to order. Mr. Johnson, if you call, I'll please. Mr. Matt Seale. Here. Mr. Steve Donnelly. Here. Kevin Meadows, Mr. Hebert Allen. Yes. Mr. Starrison. Here. Mr. Harryseel. Here. Mr. Steve Donahue. Here. Mr. Kevin Meadows. Mr. Hebert Allen. Here. Mr. Steve Reson. Here. Mr. Harry Donahue. Here. Mr. William Clipett. Here. You need nobody to want to go back to the location tonight. Father, we come to you right now. Thank you, you, for the stay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Father, we come to you right now. Thank you for the stay. Thank you. We ask the praise that you will be in the midst of this week. Thank you for that all of our time. Our thoughts are everything we need. Yes, we conduct business, and we come tonight. And you said, amen. Amen. will now do the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to consider how we will see the states on one mission one of your God, and your physical liberty and justice for all. We have a motion to approve, can you introduce your opinion on the board to the present? So this is the second. Mr. Handler? Yes, bit faster. So move a second. Mr. Handler? I'm dying. Mr. Nogin? Mr. Saryu? I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm planning to mission through. Do we have any motion to approve the agenda? It's been on so long. Ready? Mr. Handler, this is so long. Mr. Matzio? Yes. Mr. Matthew. Mr. Kevin Meadows. Mr. Hebert Allen. Mr. Pete Rosen. Mr. Harry Donahue. Mr. William Flippin. Yes. Thank you. Thank you for letting us be here today to give us a presentation. This is our third workshop. I'm going to be quite a commissioner to why they have a presentation. I'll do this thing. I'll try to... Thanks for the time. a privilege of, I guess, it's our third session with the planning commission, so I apologize if a lot of it seemed to have come into the planning commission. I think there's a lot of important information that we want to make sure that we're also sharing with the boards. It's just their first work session on this project. what we would like to do, and I think it worked well last time, is I have with me Mike Wallace with GRC, as I think most of you know, GRC is the engineering firm that has been working with Green Ridge for years on this project. What we like to do is talk about what is involved in building and constructing and permitting a standard state of the art MSW of the Land Trail. And also to go into detail is some of the steps that Green Ridge is taking above and beyond with the regulation through the wire including a double wire system. And what that entails when it involves also a problem that I quite frankly would cost that is. But essentially it's building this to a hazardous waste that we feel, and we know this isn't the best study way. So what I'd like to do is turn this over to Mike. You'll have any presentation and I'll go over some of them with details that I was still working with. Canning staff, Johnson and the county representatives and some of the details of the conditions that would be before the plan permission, but I can talk about generally what's I'm going to get a little bit of a little bit of a little you'll see, this is, we'll have a much less impact on the case that is originally approved back in 2018 and has some additional benefits to count. So I turn this on my phone. Thank you, Wil. We need to focus on appreciate the opportunity to speak with you tonight. Tonight, I'm going to go over some operational issues that are typical of most any landfill, but we'll also talk about some of the specifics that we're designing into the landfill here in common. We will talk about the double-liter system, we'll talk about the gravel of monitoring system, landfill gas, monitoring and other management, the Leachate management system, the county oversight that this facility will have, we'll talk about traffic impact analysis, and we'll talk about post-closure care, because even once the landfill is full, there are still requirements to monitor that landfill and take care of the grass and soil for at least 30 years after closure. So it's not like the landfill gets filled up and we walk away. There's a post-closure care plan that gets submitted as part of. Just so the presentation, I guess we got to identify what nature of the screen. The screen is behind the commission board. So just let them know what age you're looking at as they can't see the screen behind. Thanks, moving. So now we're going to be looking at age 3, which is a cross-section diagram through a Rotterland fill. And we refer to these modern landfills as sub-type of D landfills. And sub-type of D is merely proportional to federal regulations that contain the desired elements for water, municipal solar waste landfills. So that's what we have just to ask the question, so how are we part of the planning division? We've heard this numerous times, so now I'm here to unite to know you tonight. It's your city here. The borders are red. Why weren't they, that gets delivered at the same message at a separate time? I had known time by my own family. And now I gotta do the same thing again. I'm not very happy about that. This is the same spot, everything I've seen before. Three times. And now I have to see you for a few days. Well, Mr. Mote, I think the fall process was to share the information with the PC, gather feedback, address issues, issues and then over a couple of meetings and then come back with a board in the PC as kind of a transition in terms of information cheering the viewers. So they should have been part of the things they have done at the time of the clock. But that's neither here nor there. But you and I got to sit here listening to slide. I just slide and we've asked questions. Then give an answer to some we have it, and now I have a severe kill. Take time away from my own opinion. I'm going to edit that. And we hear the answer in question. And I appreciate that. I mean, this is like an answer to that one. Well, I can where we're set. These were set and more and more than we'll participate. That's a lot. I think it's important that at the information I present. I appreciate your writing, your patience. So could it be presented to the board and then we can meet it as board and planning commission. The goal was to actually share this information with both entities here tonight. Boarded here perspectives of planning commission, the planning commission to hear questions from the board and to share respect. But we have to hear their presentations one more time. Well have a cruise ship. I'm going to have a pilot. I'm good. I'm getting ready for it. So this diagram of page three shows a cross section through the modern subtype D-length. So these are very different landfills from the old town dump. These are engineered systems, high-end regulated systems that are designed to protect the environment and human health. You can see on the base of the landfill is the liner system, which we will take a look at a little more closely here in a couple of slides. On the left we have the landfill gas monitoring approach, which detects any landfill gas that could potentially migrate up from the landfill. On the far left there's a leachane tank, where leachane, when rainwater falls onto the landfill, it's filtered through the waste and moves down to the top of the liar system where there's a pipe that collects that leachane, and it gets pumped to that tank. And then the leachane will be trucked off site to a treatment system. On the right hand side there we have some groundwater monitoring wells that are intended to monitor the groundwater around the landfill to make sure that there's no impact from the landfill. And then on the farm right there you see a gas flare. The landfill gas will initially be collected and just flared off, but when there's a waste decomposes enough, it's generated enough gas to be economical, then we can collect that gas and either generate electricity or create renewable natural gas. So it can actually become a resource. So now we're going to slide four. And this shows the groundwater monitoring network. And the direction of groundwater flow is shown on the map with the small blue arrows. This is the well-network that would be proposed to DEQ in the Part B application. You'll recall that the Part A application was a sighting study to demonstrate the sighted dissuable for a landfill, and then the Part B is the actual design of the landfill which includes the layout of the groundwater water, water-quart wells that will monitor the site. So right now we're showing those bringing the entire property. We're looking at at least 15 water-quart wells although there may ultimately be more depending on what kind of comments we get from DQ. But the point is that those monitoring wells are located in appropriate locations based on groundwater flow and subsurface soil and bedrock that they would be in locations to detect or release or release a certain occurred. And we have, and these will be the official wells that are set up to monitor the landfill. As part of the Part A, you did install about 45 or more borings, and actually more than 75 of those were converted to wells to monitor the groundwater levels. So we have about seven years of water level data. So we've got a really good understanding of how the groundwater moves through the soil surface. So this may be one of the most interesting slides we're going to talk about tonight. We're on page 5 now. This is the double liner system. And I'm going to talk about it from the bottom off, instead of the top back. So at the bottom, we have what's called the controlled subgrade. And that basically acts as the foundation for the landfill. It consists of a compacted clay layer, but it's not necessarily constructed to be low-per-neighbilted, you know, a little building low-per-neighbilted, but it's really an act as a foundation for landfill and so landfill developers. Above that, we'll have what's called a geosynthetic clay liner, and that is an impermeable layer of that light clay that acts to retard any liquids that could potentially be there in the surface. And that has a permeability of 100 times lower than a compact clay layer. So when we first started designing these, some time that these landfills, we'd use a foot with compacted clay. This GCL layer takes the place of that and is actually the last burn in them, so it's more protective. Above that, above the, that geosynthetic clay layer, we have the flexible membrane layer and that's that thick plastic high density polyethylene layer that is your impermeable layer. Above that we will have a drainage layer and that completes that first layer. The drainage layer is going to be between that and the splinter of the shallower liner. So both of that drainage layer will then have another GCL, another GCL composite clay liner. And above that, another flexible membrane liner. And then above that, we'll have another GCLites. So we've got two GCL layers, two of that impermeable clay, and then two of the high density quality ethylene membrane layers. And between those we have this geocomposite that acts as a drainage layer. So if there are any liquids that are between the two liners, that will drain to the suns where the liquids could be accessed and tested if needed. So above that, topmost geocomposite is where we have the LeechAte collection portion of the liner system. And that would consist of a perforated pipe with either sand or gravel around the pipe to filter out anything in my clogged pipe. And so that's where your Leach-Aid moves down through the waste. It's that pipe and then is gravity fed to a sump and then it gets pumped up to the tank where we held on site until it's trucked off site to another two outside trees. So above that, we take collection drainage layer, we have what's called a fluff layer. And that's the first layer of waste that's placed in the landfill. The operator's going to segregate the waste to make sure this is the soft, non-metallic, non-rock, not angular material that's going to be about a foot thick on top of the liner system before any other waste is placed off there. So that kind of outlines what that double-liner system is. And again, the Virginia regulations only require a single-liner system. So this is being designed to, on the higher standard, to be more protected. So now we go to slide six with odor management. Two of the biggest contributors of odors and landfills are wastewater treatment plant sludge and process run order. And Jerry C. Ford, the applicant, has said this landfill will not accept either sludge nor processed wallboard. So two of the biggest contributors to voter production will not be allowed to live. There may still be some voters to a much lesser degree, and that's where we'll have the landfill gas capture and control system because that's how the motors escape from the landfill is through that gas. So the objective would be to collect that gas and like I said initially to a flaring station or an off eventually to be a value resource that we can use to make energy and and a revenue. Slide 7 is that we take management system. And again, the idea here is that the leachate is collected in that leachate collection system system of LiDAR and and it's fed to sumps and they get pumped to a tank and then they'll be hauled off site to a treatment system and it will be treated. If we look at slide eight, slide eight talks about the county oversight, where there will be a county employee that will be at the facility. It's able to evaluate operations, inspect those operations, inspect waste. Really, it's a representative of the county to make sure that the county's interests are being protected during the operation. Slide 9. We have done a traffic impact analysis. It's a bit of that to VGA and got some response from them. We're looking at about 75 waste-all-and-trucks per day and most of those would be coming from the east around 60 and then coming in a pine-road road to the entrance to the landfill off of pine-road road. We will also be working with V.Dot to evaluate the pavement and with the Pinegrove road to determine if upgrades are necessary based on the 75 waste haulage trucks per day. So there may be a need to be up the pavement or pay the shoulders. But whenever improvements are needed would be able to be accomplished within the existing right-wing. Slide 10 shows what a landfill looks like after closure. It becomes a hill covered with grass that can be used for other purposes. Some communities at wood solar panels either on the landfill or on the landfill, some have recreational trails in the area. Bedford County actually uses theirs for model airplay. of the things that you can do with the property after it's closed. Like I said, part of the Part B application will be the post closure care program, which will include at least 30 years of continued monitoring with groundwater and gas, mowing with the cap, at least twice a year, and then evaluation of the soils on the cap in case we get a dry period and there are mud cracks that open up in that soil and go ahead and repair those to maintain the integrity of that cap. The cap also has one of those flexible membrane liars that's under underneath the landfill we've also been caped on top with flexible liner as well as the soil and vegetative liners. Will, without a whole turn, be next slide. Next slide is what is Greenwich now? It is a non-hazard of the Centenary Landfill. It has to be committed by EQ and ultimately operated Greenwich. range and the parent company is a national publicly traded company FL. We've gone through and as we've discussed before, what we're doing initially is to come in. We need to get this open as quickly as possible again. So this first phase is coming in with zero impacts. I'll discuss to any mudlands and any shrubs. And so there'd be initially approximately 104 acres available for disposal under the current DQ permit request. As Mike said, we have submitted, and it was years of testing and analysis. I spent more than $20 million dollars a day in dealing with the Part A suitability, is this a suitable landfill? We got that approval from after BQ and now we're proceeding with Part B permit, which again is a very detailed exhaustive analysis and design. One of the things that we're coming in here is, and as you'll see, is the scope of this given some of the conditions that we are suggesting and agreeing to will rightly reduce the impact of the scope of the landfill. Initially, when we came in in 2018, the cup had that it could have a maximum of 650 acres of voiceless post-layer. It was anticipated to be a 24-7 operation and that has changed and we would be relocating Pygrapher and talking to the community, talking We revised the permit request and are requesting that conditions in this case reflect that there's a commitment that bind road road which was a major issue of the relocation not be relocated. So under this comp is it's proposed, the Pagro Road will not be relocated. As a result that has a major impact on the ultimate size of the land, a major impact. And we know even though we're coming in and a little over a hundred acres initially, that can only be expanded if we We ultimately get federal and state permits to impact tourist-stake-shical waters, wetlands, streams. But even if that happens we know that scope and size is greatly reduced. So as you see in conditionally used permit, a couple conditions we have suggested there be a'd be a cap on the waste disposal to slash it from 650 acres to none more than 350. We've also put in there that we will not be 24-7, so there'll be hours of operation and limitation. And the other thing that we're doing is in order to avoid all the impacts to wetlands in order to get this up and running as quickly as possible, we would have to cross the wetland to access directly through the root of 60. And so we have come in in order to eliminate that impact and be able to access and build this as soon as possible. Here, we are looking to come in on Pyro-Vroad, initially. But what we're doing is putting severe limitations on that access. So in the cup we would say that the maximum that you could receive or daily basis from Pine River Oak would be 1500 tons of that. That's about 75 tripe trailers. And we would put in the cup not only that there would be a cap of not just an average per day, 1500 times a day, but also add in there that it couldn't involve 175 tractor trailers. So putting on limit, not only on the tons per day, but the number of tractor trailers they can be used. And there'd be no operations on Sunday. We've also put in the DQ permit request that this landfill can only accept Virginia waste. When county waste came to the county, that was the goal. As I had Jerry C. Ford explained on a number of times, he saw that he was a great shrinking of capacity. And that shoesmith, he predicted it was an ultimate win. The shoesmith might have served Powhatan, or served Powhatan, Congolene, this central Virginia area. He was going to close. He predicted it. He was right. He was with his no longer, except in a't into it. And then as a result, two companies will almost 90% of the product and landfill are passing. That adds to me to have a major impact not only on the capacity going forward, but also it priceless. I think the county has probably seen the last year to some pretty significant increases in cost of waste as well, so we'll talk about it in a minute. But it's vital, but county waste, GFL is looking to serve its customers. It serves several hundred thousand customers, including Cumberland customers, and they weren't able to have access to landfill that they could serve that community. So, there was a 2018, we explained that, but the permit and the traditional news permit, no allowed for the out of state waste, we amended our permit request. The queue specifically, say, could only accept Virginia waste. And at 3500 tons a day, county with GFL can accommodate, I mean, they have the capacity in that waste. That's the number of customers that are serving the central of the Southwest. We are still also committed to no sludge across as construction debris. We had in the original conditions permit. It is the wider ability to use fly ash for beneficial purposes. Here is cover or if you're using it through roads internally or to build a berm, who is a question for the community, if we don't want fly ash generally. So as part of this condition we use permit. We are making the affirmative statement. And because there will be no fly ash, whether it's for beneficial purposes or not, just no fly ash as part of this project. So why didn't tell you ways in the LGFL, in the need of what this landfill is? I touched upon just the moment again. They made a determination that all the ways, the reasons why so much waste, how to stake waste, it's shipped to the container, deals with rail lines and truck routes and what can be taken down here and then shipped that to the Northeast. But they made a determination that their product be at this point, maybe nine years of disposal capacity to make their analysis. And that almost all other private landfills are accept out of state quaste because the truck remains in the rail line that is very profitable. Shoesmith, as I said, stopped accepting waste in 2023 and it started because of the process. I think when I looked at the budgetary documents and the sustaining in the presentation, maybe the final point on the way I looked at it was that in 2023, your waste disposal cost in Cumberpler accounting, that budget was exceeded by almost $175,000. This is an example of the accelerator at the cost. And I think in 2023 your waste disposal budget was about $962,000. As I'll talk about in a moment, one of the commitments that Green Ridge is made is not only that the convenience center here and accept county waste from residents, but also to service your existing convenience centers and to dispose of the waste that comes to your community service, which will be significant call sales. They will continue to grow at the time. And this is a response to two companies owning 97% of the land through the Iron Antelope Pass, and the competition is good. It keeps your call slow. terms of the next slide is why covering count? In county waste analysis was who we serve when they're primarily serving in Virginia, our central Virginia and Southwest Virginia. Probably 70 to 80% of the waste comes from the central Virginia area, two thirds from southwest. And so as I'll show you in a moment, the problem is sort of in the epicenter of the service area that can't be waste services. You evaluated, I have four sites in common in Canada. The main groups chose this site, which was approved by the board supervisors in 2018. Quite frankly, the board wanted this site on the Easter Edge of Cumberland County. One of the primary reasons is, one, the direct access offer of 16, so it was ideal, deal but given that most of the waste is coming from the east to the west, the board wanted, as far east as we could have a landfill, because 75% of the traffic is coming from the east, so about 25% to 30% is actually traveling through Cumberland County. Next slide shows you why Cumberland was such a night in a site. Cumberland had had a landfill approved in the past. It had been an issue with that company. And ultimately, if you've built, I know that Cumberland had of, um, financial decisions, including these beautiful high school based on that, that project. Um, um, but, I mean, this has been in a mile or so or that landfill school. But as you see from this slide, uh, we've got the triangle where the landfill will be located. And then the little markers, little other smaller triangles, show you essentially the transfer stations. And what happens is, County Waste has transfer stations throughout this area. Probably they serve about a 30 mile radius around the transfer station or so. And then we've got to do that, examine and inspect the waste, and then take clear- oil tractor trailers to take the way. And so as you can see from here, the Green Ridge landfill is ideally located in the sort of market and the genuine customers that have the way served. This is showing what was the preliminary cyclan that's it's going to be a part of the condition of each program. You're seeing the pink, where the initial waste disposal area will be, and then we've identified where possible expansions can occur if we get the necessary requirements. The next one is on terms of the top as I indicated, in fact the size of the landfill, the hours, traffic, the violence placed, the warnings we're doing in this case is initially, if you can see about the 5,000 times a day, we know this reduces and scope, it's not going to be a five-day type of day landfill. And so what we're also suggesting in addition to this preventative, I know there was a lot of concern in some of the community about the amount of waste per day, the 5000, we're suggesting that there be an absolute daily cap of 3500 cut to that substantially lowering the waste on a daily basis to the food sector. This is a chart next to how the screen rich changes previously. We added a column based on some of the feedback we got earlier, planning commission meeting. Not only the original design, the current design, we have under the part A that Mike can discuss. We have a part A improvement, so you know that the maximum expansion under the part A, they say that our waste disposal, assuming you get permits, that all state work permits, which is the third element. And the fourth one is if we amended the Part A and with it and that was approved and then got before the final state requirements, it was the seatable arms that could be. And so that's what this chart is showing initially. We had a maximum of 650 acres of a realist and thought would be somewhere over 500. The current design is 104 acres. Probably another 170 of the party. If we get the federal state permits. And then under no circumstances would it be more than 350 acres. The other thing that I would look in Pine Grove Road does is it substantially lowers the height of the landfill. And one of the things we're going to be putting in the conditional use permit is a height cap. How high it could be. That's going to be a number that's based on sea level. That's some more scientific and exactly standard. But obviously, we're hundreds of feet above sea level or this location. But at ground level, the original design was going to be about 330 feet above the mobile area. The current design will the total state core permits would be about 140 feet max on the current part A, we have about 200 feet and then if we got it amended it would be 225 feet, which is probably well, even under that scenario is well under at least 100 feet less than what was originally opposed. We also reduce the number of houses within a half area, a half mile and then showing how on the current side we have zero impacts to weapons and what the impacts of streams. Currently under our part A and one reason why must we move forward with a part B because we're struck with the series we can is we're having zero impacts to the little streams away. That's my question. Yes. Excuse me. In limiting the height, is there any additional depth? So the, to the other pole? No, we're not looking at significant excavations. And how cheap is the, is the whole? We're still working through all that, but it's probably somewhere between 5 and 10 feet. We don't want to excavate 2D because we want to maintain a separation between the bottom and the landfill of the water tank. So the depth will be dictated by where that water tank is, so we maintain a three-foot separation. And so then your height is based on the three-to-one slopes, which is what's required by Q-dirt closure, so that's your height. Which are your height? Thank you. And that's why we can put in the catapult in the distance. The next slide just gives you a visual of how much this coat has diminished over time. This was the original design approved by the board supervisors. We're basically having to use the west area. This is the current design. There's about four acres that are being used in the waste disposal area. Now obviously we have hundreds and hundreds of acres of buffers, so for example, minimum of 200 foot buffers, and there are buffers for many residential property. And then the next slide. It's one of the things talking to staff, the one is an idea of a phasing plan. How are you going to be building it, phasing it over time? So we have submitted a suggestion showing how this will be phased. In the meantime, we've got, we'll just open up the entire site. I mean, you're going to be doing it in relatively small pieces of time, building what I'd say. Well, part of the apartment, the current, is to show what your general phase of the plan is. And so we're submitting a document to say, OK, this is where how the project will be phased over time. And if we have expansions, where does expansion work? Another topic that came up was where you look at interaction with each type of system, especially the high-growth road, we're going to make sure that was immediately used for the shape. So we submitted a preliminary draft for staff. And we have the Hell obviously, early to subject to TQ's ultimate approval, where the Leachate system would not be located. And so that this is what happened in yellow as I, we're not going to be having the Leachate tanks either close to the perimeter of the property section. I will say that we're still working. What's the answer that we know that there are going to be a number of conditions that are different from the existing initial use for it. The biggest one obviously is no relocation of high road road. And the other thing that was a question of that one, there could be even though you're approving high road road terms and asphalt wherever you now requires, there may be damage caused during the construction or the track and trailer track. So what we have said is we want a condition that says that during the construction, I don't know, we will make the improvements that be not required, but we will maintain a fire road road section for the construction of the project. And also as long as tractor trailers are accessing pygros road, we're paying any damage from the tractor trailers that come in. One of the things that is in this case is that we've cut the tonnage from 5,000 tons a day to 3,500 tons a day. Ultimately, we do want to connect to 160. I mean, that's when you can go to 3,500 tons a day. That is our goal and aspiration. The no guarantee you should hit the permits. That is our goal. So what we've suggested in the conditional use permit is that once we access root 60, so we can go up to 35 per ton today, it serves the anyways customers, we will close the pie group to accepting waste. And the other thing we've discussed is, you know, coming up with some language, it is, at some point, after you start operating, you're trying to get permits, you know, with the Lyon expansion, definitely we try and submit an application for those permits within a certain period of time after the electoral comes operation. One of the biggest things that we've said is the double-liter system. Back here in 2018, that kept coming up again and again and again, people wanting a double-liter system. Even though it's not what's required of the UNICEF, like I said, since about 1993, the standards for landfill have dramatically improved and increased. The DEQ does not require, I mean, double-liter system. I mean, a single composite liner system so it's pretty extensive, and you don't of anyone that has failed in country. But, ultimately, the gun has made a commitment and put it into conditional use permit. It will do a double liner system. I mean, that's essentially, if I think I'm right, it almost encode what it has in its wasteland, if you're with it. Even though this is an MSW County's land bill. But that commitment is to give you the scope of what that needs. That's probably an excess of $80,000 a neighbor at a cost. So 100 neighbors, that's about $8 million. If we've got the expansion, it would be more than $2,000, $2,000, $'s an added benefit, an added connection to the community. We're committed to it. A lot of people are concerned about the 24 hour nature of the operation. So we've reduced the number of hours. The other thing that really came through, and what we heard, the folks and leadership in the county was, there was a problem in complementing that. And it's not a common for the world communities. Of how do people dispose of their any threes and motives? Because that has a real environmental impact if you're just dumping it into the ground or it goes into the street, it's only a problem. And so looking at how we could address it, green which is making the commitment of health care of those fluids. And so as partly a convenience center, we have to tweak the initial use permit because technically that's considered hazardous twice, you know, the source. So we're having to tweak the commission which permit to allow it. But really accept that and go into a tag, initial use permit, not allow how we have to treat that. And then that does not go into the landfill. That's getting shipped all site to a public grid. So that's a major benefit, we think, to college County. The other thing that came up, people concerned about the lighting on the landfill. And one of the conditions that we're bringing to is the dark sky, the blind. The goal is not to be seen. I will say, and we were obviously in discussions with the county, but one thing we learned to make it clear, as I think of many of you know, the landfill is incredible cost of the flood. The oldest size is a massive investment got back. And then the bigger the length of fill, you can recruit that. Even though we are slashing the ultimate size of the land-form, the amount of waste you can accept, Green Ridge is not backing down on any of the direct financial benefits to account. So this is a sheet I go that this is all being maintained. I'm still talking to counties and other things we might be able to do, even though there's not much to do now. But those fees, those commitments remain the same. for time and then the guarantees and then the savings from the free disposal for the county. That's going to be a huge ticket, now it's going to continue to grow over time. So even at under the current structure, we take this going to be a benefit benefit, at least a million and a half dollars, through a lot of public health. Additional benefits. One of the things that Mike invention was the landfill gas. That's in the core of post-agric. But especially since we're not accepting sludge, one reason why I don't know if any agriculturalilm doesn't accept sludge. Sludge is very attractive to the antifilm. It causes great odor, but it's incredibly profitable because it's very dense, doesn't take a much room and you can actually eat some of the waste. That's what accelerates your smell. Those The slantills and outer robloons, it's just melt, it's the sludge. And... That's what accelerates your smell. Those landfills, the amount of problems, the smell, it's the sludge. And that's why, Jeremy came up and did do with that to be, he wasn't the proud of this, that he cooperatively suggested we're going to fall bad as well as sludge, as well as process of all work. But the ass revenue ultimately, it's going to take a little bit more time since we go except select the movie nearly as much gas. In six years or so, you're going to have a system capturing and selling it, and that can get profitable to source of revenue to the county because they're getting 10% of the revenue that is generated from the revenue that we get from the recapture system. And we've obviously indicated supporting the CBL and the Canada Education programs paying the full cost of a county employee to monitor the landfill and make sure they simply wait should be done. I will also note my correct way to how long you're constructing the landfill. There is a third party professional engineer that is supervising everything really and submitting the reports to the AP, which will submitted to public talent, to make sure everything is being done exactly the way it's supposed to be done under the government, the EQ comment. And obviously, I have a major impact on businesses and capital investment. The initial phase of this project is 758 million dollars and some of the exchange that comes forward. The next thing is just, I think the green rage is demonstrated. It wants to be a valuable member of the community. It has a seven year track record. We've been starting out. We might have to the top. You know, we know all the other people didn't even think from the county of being a good neighbor and trying to support the county and the community. So this is the list of some of the things that green ridge has done over the last seven years. Including when there was a budget crisis, pre-paying for $15,000 on the tip fees, guarantee PIP fees, even though we hadn't had any permits. It's contributed to scholarship programs. It is committed that toward the million dollars would be parts for a kind of a candidate is committed to you. And also helping you from up on the same. As we said, there are a number of protections that are, that are being provided to the federal board of law and law drink And also, we have a probably understanding at this point that people, the party approval and the amount of analysis in the engineering, we notice so much more about this site in the middle of the point, if it is detailed analysis. And not only do we know the groundwater flow, I have a, where it flows, and, fortunately, that can make you one problem as groundwater action for the residential problem. But before we open up, we're also monitoring what's in the work because one of the things we're doing is you're going have that baseline. So, as you're testing it in carrot, to the work of the work of the work, the quality was, no, the poor things are low. And this is activities today, and I will just say, there are a lot of industries out there that probably are more impact maybe a landfill they don't have nearly the exhausting analysis in safe parks so that's a good thing but I feel respected. These are some of the things that we've been to eight part eight years because you were booking it the most every conceivable aspect from the genealogy, to culture resources, to order, seismology, traffic, or whether they're threatening dangerous species. It's an exhaustive list. That's been completely now actively working with DQ on the Part B permit because that is so exhausting. What we're trying to do is get as much as we possibly can light this new. It's not way to do expedited procedure. We plan this to actually file a formal Part B permit in the next month. What you have on the part B permit, as I briefly said, because in the detailed design of the light for itself, and it includes a number of aspects, which is not only that you the design, how could be constructed, closure of post-closure plans, which are a management plan, a modern plan, financial services, the community, which you're supposed to put. One thing I will also say, and this is important, I know the high school is very important side of the start significance. And I view it by, we were never going to relocate high road road than high side school. But we paid the further commitment not to relocate hydro-road. But because of the extensive operating, it's part of the process for the World Part A. We actually flew balloons at the highest level when we thought the length was a bit. And then we take photos from different sites to see what you see when it is fully built out that case for them. And what we discovered is even under the original height, you weren't going to be able to see any portion of the landfill from the pipe growth schools. This photo that I have up here was on the public road right front of the Pine Road School. Obviously, that's even more of the case now because you're going to be substantially lower than what was originally in Pennsylvania. I got a lot of greenery in that picture. Yeah, there's a lot of greenery. A lot of greenery trees, especially being the kind of forestry that was being done at agriculture. We're very fortunate to have a lot of evidently true these. Especially being the kind of far-street that was being done at agriculture. We're very fortunate to have a lot of evidently true. So we're very kind, and that's part of the permit to be extended. It does happen to be any additional sweating. That's going to be part of our part B in our area. So we're very confident. It's a point of that. We're not going to be seeing, we're not going to be seeing. So that's a summary of where we are and we're still working on some of the details of the conditions of County staff. But I think it will work basically there. I think we appreciate the ability to be here. I'm excited a little bit about the way I film what it is, what it isn't, and how it's changed over the years. I think we met, I was here obviously in 2018, and I think we went through a systematic list of what were the major infections. The size of it, the numbers that could is to be accepted today to go with the ways theoretically come from, and we bet each of those conditions and address those concerns. So thank you for your time. Glad to answer any questions and look forward to a planning commission hearing. I have a couple of questions for you. Frustration, how long do you think it will take to fill the landfill at 1500 done today? If we didn't get any expansion, I would say your problem you're looking out, I'll confirm the gerry, and I'll have that exact number, but I think you're probably looking at 20, 20 years. Okay. At 100, 100 acres, 50, that's one reason why you're going to start, you're going to want to wet it up, it's also like 30, 100. Okay. And you mentioned that the airport on law, it's used in monitoring the landfill for 30 years after its full. Yes. What does that monitoring consist of? It would continue with quarterly ground water monitoring with all the monitoring wells. There's compliance network. It would also include landfill gas monitoring. Moin of the landfill cap. evaluation recovered, make sure the integrity of the covers, the work needs to be. There are neighbor requirements to help thick that cover needs to be uncovered. But we're asking the picture. Yes, there is a, there's about a foot of clay and then there's the synthetic membrane plastic HDPE liner and there's a foot of top soil and then vegetation. Okay and you mentioned that it can be used for recreational activities. Yes. You said building trails and everything so there's no risk to people being there or an animal coming and digging and something or. I mean that's one of the things of doing the inspections of the campus to make sure you're not getting any animals borrowing the campus. If you are, then okay, get them out of there. And it may also be that you don't want to open it up to recreation in the first 10 years, but maybe after it's had time to set all, there's less gas generation, but maybe that's appropriate. Thank you. One of these is basically to encapsulate this, the bottom, on the bottom at the top, right? Yes. Now ask me all of the questions. It's related to the height. So if you have all of your permits and you get the expansions that you want, it's about 50% less space allocated to the landfill, 30% less height and 30% less weight. How does that work out? Is it just not going to be this where is long in time? That's the only variable I can see. Is this only the time in connection with? It's also before with the original design we're looking at two large landfills. If we were to do the theoretical maximum expansion as the progress currently configured it will probably be three or four smaller landfills so you're losing some airspace that way too. At the times also. Right so I'm still trying to figure out I mean the only variable I can see is the length if the amount of years you're taking the waste because if before you had the 500 B-hyper, I don't remember what it was, but I did the math. If you, the only variable that can account for it is for the amount of years that you take the height. So your original was 500 acres of Your original was 500 acres of disposable. If you get what you want, you have 340. So that's 30% reduction for everybody. If you have a 330-foot height, and you get what you want, that's 225, so that's about another third, right? But then you're getting 5,000 tons versus 35 tons, that's 30% less. So the only variable I can see to account more that change can be the amount of years you're taking to waste. Is that correct? That's part of it. Another part of it is with the original design, that 330 foot would have been a lot more area at 330 foot height. Now with the 225 height it's much smaller area that's going to be at 225. So you have to account for the angle of the sides. Correct. When the other one you build me account for this way so you have I can type it that it's the area of accounts to correct okay you got it that makes sense I've got a question that means said when when this landfill The proposal in fill is added to Mexican Pasity in 22, 20 years. What's the total tonnage that you would say is Mexico Pasadena? And that's under, without any additional expansion of partners. Correct. Oh, tonnage. and then sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I that's a theoretical maximum based on the layout that was approved in the part A, that could change in the part B based on the specific design. If there are future expansions, there would be limits on the amount of waste that could be placed in those expansion areas also based on the configuration of those disposal areas. He said 30 million cubic yards. I believe that's correct. And I believe it's 1.65, but don't hold me to that. I've got a lot of numbers swimming around in my head, but I can get to them. I know many times. Yeah, 70 million times, I think. And I can get you the precise number. They just, when they do, because different ways and materials have different densities, what DQ puts the number in the department, they want to put it in place on QTR basis, rather than some areas of space. I appreciate that answer. You also said, in my case, it was one of the first slides about groundwater monitoring and leaving a statement to make sure there's no impact in groundwater monitoring. I'm trying to wrap my head around. You've got well-strialled to monitor groundwater. Obviously if they come up contaminated there's been an impact of groundwater. So I don't understand the to make sure that there's no impact groundwater because if it comes up in your test hole that there's been an impact than you're already at that point. Am I missing something there? Oh! ground water because if it comes up in your test hole that there's been an impact then you're already at that point. Am I missing something there? No, I think the idea is if there's a bridge, if there ever was to be a bridge to the line or the first place you can see it is in your drainage layer between the two liabilities. of that that, if there's a reach in that upper liar, it hits that drainage layer and then goes to the sun. So we can test that and see it was a leak. And that would be before it got through the lower liar. So at that point, there would be no impact to groundwater. If both liars would be bre, it was to get to groundwater, then the next question is, what are the concentrations, how is it moving, and what are we going to do to clean it up? And that's what that monitor of the network really comes into play, is to work out those details and how to do it. I'm taking a turn to ground water, but you can learn how to exactly what's is to work out those two tails, how do you do it? One thing in terms of groundwater, when you learn how exactly what's going on, but it's also, people realize how slowly the groundwater moves, it's like you're trying to put as close to the waste boundaries as possible. So that, for if you, this whole process with a modern system is to have all kinds of redundancies and if there's something happening, it's highly unlikely that you're safe, far from traction, and you're able to have to do something about it. So I appreciate what it's happened that we've made that there's any real chance of that occurrence, but we want to have the modern term in there. if it does, it's going to address it. Would like to ask, we'll go ahead. Well, two final questions to that. If you will. This double liner system, is it earthquake-free? We've done the seismic analysis to show that the site is suitable for landfill. So with the double liner, we'd be appropriate for the seismic seed we see in here. Okay, so the ground moves is going to cause cracks in the ground liner. Correct. That's part of the part A system. The extent of static is the seed is the suitable. That's one of the biggest issues. Yeah, fact, we did some additional seismicity evaluation during the part of the annual just to make sure that that was the case. So, I mean, the way you present it, it sounds almost foolproof. I don't know if we're in bridge with Dean Mullins, who put in writing a guarantee of no groundwork for the campaign. Well, we're submitting everything in terms of our studies and what we have to do. I mean, that's why we made the added commitment to basically build this hazardous place in the state. So the answer would be no. Right? I'm addressing it now. I'm saying I'll talk to the flyer before we're doing this. All you can do is, and that's part of what you've seen that is to create what steps you get for some reason, and it can see the reason that there's a leak. Then we've got protections, and what steps we have to take to ensure that it doesn't have that back And one thing I will also say is, once it hits that groundwater well, what is your plan to make it so it's not impacting? One groundwater well? Well, you're doing these tests. I know. And you mind that there's an impact, but what is your remedy for that? It would depend on what the concentrations are, what type of chemicals that we see, and a lot of the old, online landfills we see organic constituents like benzene, paint thinners, and those types of things. And so there we're looking at what the concentration is, and where the nearest drinking water well or stream is now gradient. And then we look at, how is that constituent going to naturally break down before it gets there? And if it will naturally break down before it gets to that receptor, then we're just going to monitor it to make sure it's degrading like we think it's going to degrade. If that's not the case, then you look at controlling the flow of groundwater, either through pumping well to reverse that groundwater gradient, that direction, pull it back, or in some cases, if it's widespread enough, you put a slurry wall in it that captures that all behind the slurry. But that's the other thing that I'm dealing with it, if you look at landfills, that's why we were saying it's we're not aware of a subtitle B landfill. It is a complete, the complete subtitle. One of the problems you have is these older landfills, where they don't have a lot of it. I can't have a couple of online landfills. But you have a lot of situations where it was an overland fill. It was an expanded under the new regulations, but you still have the portion of the landfill. It was under the pre-1993 sub-title, the way landfills should be is completely built according to the new regulations. And that's one of the advantages that this project has. We're not building on old existing landfills. What happens in 30 years when another planning commission is sitting around talking about building landfields, they say, but we not building it like cummerland county built it because that's the old model of doing it. We've seen it there as leaks in those models, but now we've got a new system. All I can say is we don't know if anyone in the country is leaving under these sanders. If you look there for example, that's why we came up in the double line. I mean I just, we're building it to Heshwes, my own Phil's name. And if you look at the liner on that geosynthetic plate, I mean, it's 10 to whatever, but I mean, it's the density of that is extraordinary. And that's just the underlying that the two motors will play without the composite liner. Isn't that what the line is? because then's that guarantee, then you ought to be able to put it here and to you. I would say in terms of the statement, the right line compared to a lot of uses and even agricultural uses that are in the valley. One of the things I mean, feeling as you've got a lot more safeguards here for a lot of other uses than maybe in the past. I've got a couple. Number one, the, um, whether it's land bank credits, do you have those? I mean, you already can track those and they're all there established. Now, we? We contract, we contract it and then pay to the credit. So you have the established? I will say, the way we had was approved by the UK. Yes, yes. So if we involved the credits, they're needed and they're for getting the credits. In central Virginia? Yes, yes. Okay. I'm going to write it as probably our recommendations for term-line or taper. There's currently the recommendation for a taper. We're working with them on the design, the entire road and the entrance, so there may be some The most important thing is that you have to were like, no traffic. What? Have you ever been down to my... Many many times. So you've traveled in more than lightning than if you've been down to many many times. Well, I've been working on this for seven years. It's not that likely of a travel route anymore. There's a lot of construction going on in that area. And it's a very nearer route. A lot of people use that route daily. I'll be glad to give you that. I mean, we had a detailed traffic in that analysis, we know exactly. Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. I'll be glad to give you that we had a detailed traffic in that analysis. We know exactly. Eight years ago, seven years ago. No, we've been to the last two years. And the county has that. Move on. Route 60, Andrews. Are you willing to... You can find that prior to expanding to the 3500 tons of day. Absolutely. The way we've done the conditional use permit is we can't go more than $1,500 a day on a high growth. So in order to win with a structure, in order to expand the landfill, we've got to have the root 60x. The 16 full-time jobs that you mentioned are those jobs for come from the results. We may not commit that I think to the most agreement that they're given the highest power. There's nothing like a reach state chemist or anything else that we would have in our skill sets. I'm with the Community Center and'm going to say that I'm going to say that recycling. I think you just are not sadder is to tell them. Yes. Are you knowing to keep that open longer if the county were in a request that? I only the thing we need to inspect whenever is coming in. So what we're trying to do is as long as our line is open, it can be in center, can you imagine that? We'd have a hard time extending the hours if the line is closed. So we can look at those hours. We're trying to match those up. And if I'm a dark sky, you can find flying, I mean, flying through this is somehow quite too. Yes, it does. And we will manage that according to the dark sky program. We have other facilities that just want to grow up the trail along the bridge markway and we manage with the flare of arms arms. And if it's far enough, in the future we're generating enough gas to generate energy, we're not going to be flaring at that, we're going to capture it in music. Thank you. Thanks for your time, Scott. You can ask a question. Sure. So I'm going to try that. That's the best way I know. So in 2018, I'm saying that the CPU approved. We're supervised approved. Correct? Yes. So the DQ approved at that point time? Sorry? The DQ approved at that time? No, the DQ approved. Did you have built at that time? Yes. the start and operate. No, you have to, once you get to 20, you've got to add the zoning approval. No, no, no, I said a few thousand of anything. Yeah, you have to get the zoning approval and then you submit in terms of the permitting and this demonstrates given all the extensive analysis and also the coverage. I mean, thework is in 2021, I believe. We probably lost a couple of years in the end. That is, in the staff, responding from the state standpoint. So, as I've indicated, this tells you the level of analysis cost goes in. These things take a lot of time because we're trying to be extremely careful. One of the biggest things is to demonstrate the hue that you've got a single side. And that took years. So we have approval now. But we have what's known as part A, which says, OK, it's done in phases. We've demonstrated that this site is suitable for life. Now, you've got to go to the specific design and exactly what it's going to look like, and all the different operational plans that are attached to it. That's what we've been working with. So that has in 2018. That's not happening. That's in 2018. One of the, it's not a straightforward, permanent process. You cannot submit an application to DQ until you get local government approval. And in order to get local government approval, you've got to have the correct zoning and in many cases the condition we use for. So we have to get the zoning and the CUP in place before we can even submit an application. Which had no first thing in 2008. Yes and that was when we started drilling all the hordes and all the doonies. I'm trying to figure out what happened between 2000 and 2000. I'm telling you what, we can know the county hasn't been given. We can be a staff department to study, that we've been doing. I mean, I'd certainly call you. Staff departments and staff. You know, I mean that all together. Yes, staffs and documents with you time by DQ, it's a long process. And if this gives you a feel, I mean, as I said, I as a big, you can spend, you can even be out of work that's going into this project. They've spent $20,000,000,000,000,000. If you got to put that much work to put trash in the ground, I don't want it. that I'm not my view is the alternative is not to do the analysis, but I could waste somewhere. And I think one of the things that's important is putting it appropriately and analyzing it and having its bottom regulations. I mean, they're exhausted, but costly, but they're very worthwhile. And so I think my personal view is the fact that it's taken so long, and obviously we kept it down and we brought it up. Seeing how diligent we've been in trying to get this accomplished, I think there should be some solace knowing that this isn't just being thrown about. This is about as extensive analysis and design as you can possibly have. I've got two more questions to ask. Travis is here. You mentioned that you have to in order to get the DEQ Part A approval, you had to already had the localities approved. So, I'll host a host agreement of CUP, you start the approval of the application process, did the original local county previous board of supervisors approval and either the host agreement or the original CUP allow for an entrance off of the Pine Road Road for the land flow operation? Next to me. And then if it did or didn't, was that not a predicate to the approval for the Part A by DQ because that was included in that application that you were coming in off of Pine Road Road? Now, I think from what we're looking at, they're saying if you do this, then you can get approval. So, one of the issues on the condition use permit is exactly what was allowed, not allowed. One of these were coming in, this is the risk of misplaced, you can't make all that to do this. You also get a lot more about this site, so we can get to have a lot more issues. I mean, that's going to be much more costly coming in off of 60. Going through the process of getting the approval to mitigate wetlands and get wet nights. This is more of, in terms of, not a short getting the approval from us. So, but what I'm saying is, was there anything in the original approvals from Tom Holland County or Supervisors that allowed for an entrance of time for a grip. Why not? No, I would disagree. My interpretation is a lot of what subject to the team you approval, but, in the beginning of the year, the EU was saying this is how you would do it in conversations. It had since, for many reasons to now come in with the conditional use format. Let's say this is how we plan to initially access it. And for you to consider it. You also mentioned the Mr. Shoving. You mentioned something about COVID slowing down the government's responses. Are you aware that D DPS website that you can go on and look at responses from Greenridge and incomplete application after incomplete application? And that's all public knowledge, public and public. I can say this is a report through the process. We're submitting the information that goes through the files the five to become and then as you give them more information, they look at the study, they want additional information and additional studies. So that's just the kind of nature of this detail. I would say that numbers look back and forth that we had in the deep queue during the review was not unusual. If anything, it was two or three rounds shorter than we would have on the other side. Well, there last my point. You're placing the blame on the slowness of DQ and governmental responses, yet it wasn't out of the North. Well, the F-Diamond had, we've been working very close for a long time, we've been working very closely with the D.P. I will say, North Dakota, is everybody in understand. That is naturally slow to process. I think that wasn't just unique to this project. project. We have demonstrated that it is how much effort and analysis and diligence is brought into this to get the party approved and the commitment to the project. And that's why we're here. So that was my one of my points begin with this then? Yes, it was a truth that 2018, for students that were more significant than 2018, yes, that can happen. So here we are in 2025, and we're going to want this again. That's the part I don't want to see. And then that just me personally cannot look and I look down the road with a driver, and so, the point is, you had it, you could have done it. I don't know what it cost you, but, to make it happen in 2018, 2019, it's about 20, I think you have to happen. So maybe we already went to the top. I'm out of here. That's what happened It would be best to part of all five. So I appreciate that, and I will say there was no way you might come in to get this done in the old, I told you that, but one of the things we hear is we're coming forward on this commission to use prevent the issue is, is this a good project? Is it beneficial to account in the greater community? We believe it's very strongly that it is. One of the things that we can do is because of all that's been done on this project, we've got an extraordinary amount of additional information we can provide that we didn't even have to attend and so on. I appreciate your question. I'm not extraordinary about money involved in it. Oh, these things are not cheap. I'm not cheap. Can I ask about a couple more questions? So first of all, I do not envy any business having to go through the EQ. So I'm in business myself and regulations are being applied to the system. But anyway, the water monitoring wells at one of the previous workshops you indicated that you were going to check those I think was it quarterly? Yes. So can you tell me how fast the water would drain out from underneath the landfill to one of these wells? Well, groundwater is moving at about two, three feet in here. So if you think about river, it's not like a river. It's like when you're at the beach and you're digging a hole in the sand and you can see the water flow through the sand. So there's basically no chance that you miss something. Correct. Correct. All right, and then the five phases that I solve are each charts, are they, I got the hint that they're going to be like individual locations? They will, we don't want to build the whole 104 acres of blocks because they've got a lot of soil water and what we're reaching to deal with. So we build them in 10 to 20 acre phases and so each one of those 10 to 28 acres phases are going to come together for one big land. So it's not going to be like five different small landfills. the most people all coming together to travel. Road to getting a correct name. Okay, the other thing on that is, and on the daily, one of the red e-cube regulations is, at the end of each day, there has to be cover on what was the pilot. And so, while you're talking about it, the initial cell will be 10 to 15 acres, fairly, fairly, I'm not sure it's much, much less. Yeah, that's already made to my eye. So how, so if you're starting this phase right here, this little cell, right, then you're expanding, you need to, and I'm not understanding the engineering behind how you connect the two overlapping, varying between each phase. You'll have a arm, and then line your system with that first phase, and then lap over that arm. So then when you build the next phase, you tie right into that liner that you've left on top of that armn so that you know you then have one continuous liner underneath the entire. With some more. So is it possible for any activity above where those urn holes are to get into where the seal is? reality, when we construct that next phase, we'll give it to the burn. So bottom will be more even. So you take out those warbles. The warbles are there to control drainage and also to have easier access to the lighter and tie it to it. But when we do that, we'll get rid of the berm that's adjacent to the phase that's filled up. We build the next phase and we'll create a berm at the end of that one so that we have the liner hand you tie into the flat one. You're right. When we actually do that construction, we'll get rid of that berm so it'll either flat or flat. And then this is Mr. Schumann, me and this book. And then that's okay if you did. On the CUK, new conditions include, when you're talking about the disposal of the community, antiprene and motor oils into holding tanks, you said the conditional use permit will address this. Well, we have a conditionally use permit promise that it doesn't address this. The draft I've been working with, I think the formal draft, it does run for you. It has to be the white billet, you know, the board of the draft, it does rough it. It has to be the right to do it. The whole of the host is bringing on what our applications are. But we drafted the conditions to permit us to accept that on certain conditions and how we can treat it. So that is going to be the conditions. Well, that's what I'm asking. So is this not the conditional use permit? This power is powerful. No, I know, but I don't remember. It's probably my fault. I don't remember seeing it in the conditional use permit. So that's where I'm asking. This is the conditional use permit. Oh, these are the conditions that we're working with. So you have the judicial use permit, application, then you're working, and we may suggest that you have conditions. We've been working with staff in terms terms of and other county representatives, to finalize the conditions and conditions of the county might want to say. So there will be a list of official conditions that will be accepted. So the application that we have before us is not the conditionally used permit. We have a conditionally used permit application which will work through the exact conditions that are going to be accepted by the mission and act on other. So will we see that in the final thing that we have to submit? on page three in our packet section page, I'm sorry, any resident motor fuel shall be containing corrosion consistent above ground storage tanks and shall be transported all site exposed of it, come crimes with all state and federal laws and regulations and arise to accounting President, residence, and a fridge about a whole. OK, so that's what you were referring to? Yeah, that's OK. And what we're doing is we submit it the initial list of the four things we've conditions. You can just hand it right, or additional conditions that you've had in mind, want to be working on that might be as well. And all that will be before you at the money public here. I apologize for not saying that. And under your slide under being a good neighbor, there's all kinds of money that has already been distributed to the county. What if this doesn't pass? I said the money that they've committed to the county and and they've given it the county, they've given it the county. I think that we do. I've got a question about these committees. Yes, sir. Yeah. All three of the ones that we have now don't take over operating expense and all that. Plus the one at the lay of the head that we're doing. Well, we're not going to be staffing those convenience centers. What we're going to do is we're going to be having our personnel and by trucks come taking the ways from the centers so you don't have any of the hauling cost and taking that away as part of our community. So we're not closing them, but we would reach service those existing communities. I mean, our employees aren't going to be the ones actually operating those communities. And if we face the like it is now, rather than having a contact, yes, all the way, we'll go. Yes. I have a question for the board of supervisors. I have not had a chance to ask this for the Board of Supervisors. Under the, and I haven't seen those agreement, I know it's under negotiation, so I'm not asking about that right now. Although I will ask about the potential revenue sharing from the gas. Has the Board of Supervisors considered actually that going to the residents of the county. When I lived in Alaska, we had revenue checks basically from the oil. It was well built up there and it allowed for those who were environmentalists and didn't want any drilling. It allowed for the Native Americans that wanted to just keep things the way that it's always manned and it allowed for the oil companies to come to some kind of agreement because everybody wanted money. And when the all of the revenue goes to the county, the citizens don't really see it. So that's just a pot. I would like that for soon by soon. That's about that, great. My dishes. Well, there are no more questions. Thank you for the opportunity here. I have an answer to additional questions and the presentation. We will be following them up in the second the board of the board of the board of the board of the board of the board of the board of the board of the board of the We have a major... I Mr. McLean. Mr. McLean. Mr. McLean. Mr. McLean. Mr. McLean. Mr. McLean. Mr. McLean. Mr. McLean. Mr. McLean. Mr. McLean. Mr. McLean. Mr. McLean. Mr. McLean. Mr. Steve Rowe. 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