I'm going to go to the next page. I'm going to go to the next page. I'm going to go to the next page. I'm going to go to the next page. I'm going to go to the next page. I'm going to go to the next page. I'm going to go to the next page. I'm going to go to the next page. I'm going to go to the next page. I'm going to go to the next page. All right. Good evening, everyone. Today is Wednesday, October 16th. It is 532 PM. This is a meeting of the East Palo Alto Public Works and Transportation Commission. And this can we get a roll call please. Chair Dynan. President. Vice Chair McConee. President. Commissioner Lewis-Vercus. Commissioner Cal. President. Commissioner Griffith. President. Commissioner Patel. President. and Commissioner Wilkerson. Absent. We have a quorum for our meeting. Excellent. The first second item is approval of the agenda. Can I get a motion to approve the agenda? Before I make an emotion, I just want to clarify. So I do have an oral report. Does that need to be added in here? Or is it because of the oral report? We just go when we get to that point. Okay, I make a motion to approve the agenda. I second. It was just second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion passes unanimously. Item number 3.1 or 3 approval of minutes and 3.1 is the public works and transportation commission minutes of September 18th, 2024. And the recommendation is that we approve the public works and transportation commission minutes of September 18th, 2024. And the recommendation is that we approve the public works and transportation and commission minutes from September 18th, 2024. Are there any addentums or comments on our minutes from that month? I make a motion to approve the public works and transportation commission minutes of September 18, 2024. And I'll second. All in favor. I. I. The motion passes. We move to item number four, public comment? Are there any items that are not on the agenda tonight? That is, people would like to make comment on. And I'm not seeing anybody in the audience. Are we live? We have no public comments. Okay. I'm not seeing the in Zoom. I'm not seeing any of the participants. Yeah, we can see it on our side. Okay. There are attendees. Alrighty. Thank you. Item number five, um, special presentations, item 5.1 is active 101 project update and the recommendation is that we receive a presentation by the Transportation Authority on the active 101 project. Thank you. We have sent some staff from San Mateo County Transportation Authority here with us tonight to give an update on the active 101 project. You guys can go ahead and unmute and share screen. I'm gonna adjust the Zoom settings right now for some reason you can't turn on your camera, but I'll fix that right now. Great, thank you. Start the screen. I just wanted to say hello. Good evening. My name is Charles C. Chang. I'm a government and community fares officer with Sam Trins in the TA. I'm joined today by Patrick Gilster. He's our director of grant management and grant and fund management. I was here a couple months back to present about the Regional Transit Connections Program, and that was actually just adopted by our board last week. But today we're going to be presenting about Active 101, which is another, whenever our project is. I can't turn the video on, but I don't know Patrick, do you want to just get started? Sure. That'd be too. Thanks, Charles. As Charles mentioned, Patrick goes through the director of planning and fund management here at the Transportation Authority. I manage some of our long range plans, help cities with many different initiatives and help bring in funding across the county. So this is actually a grant award from the Cal Trans sustainableable Transportation Planning Fund in partnership with San Mateo-Camic Transportation Authority funding as well. So, excited to kick off this big effort and introduce you all to the project tonight. Next slide, Charles. So, last year, the TA kicked off a program known as 101 Quarter Connected. How we like to identify this program is really by asking votes, have you ever experienced traffic like this out there on the lesson 101? And the majority of folks had to agree that it happens quite a lot. So one of the things, Charles, if you go to the next slide that our 101 Quarter Connected program is trying to do is really to take a collaborative approach to identifying and prioritizing congestion management projects all along US 101 throughout San Mateo County. And we're really taking a holistic look beyond just highway infrastructure and considering the mobility needs of the corridor as a whole. And so overall, this program is a partnership between the City and County Association of Governments, ourselves here at the TA, how trans or city partners, the transit agencies, and of course, the county government itself. Excellent. So you might be asking, how do we reduce congestion looking beyond just the highway? So one of the things we like to take a look at is how we provide more seamless transportation connections across the county. So that's how we connect things like CalTrain and biking and walking infrastructure or things like the burling game and Millbury bike share spin bikes in our shuttle programs. So the easier we make transportation, it just becomes something you don't even think about, but when it doesn't work well, it prevents barriers or it has barriers to access across the county. Excellent. So the goals of our overall 101 corridor connect program are really that how we are looking at making safer, more connected, more sustainable, and more inclusive transportation options here in San Mateo County. Next slide. So the 101 project is actually nested under our larger 101-4-Connect program. So it is one of our big initiatives at that program. We are also doing what we're calling multimodal strategies. So we are getting to the end of the North County one and kicking off the mid-county now, and we will be back in the spring for South County. So you'll hear more from us in the spring on a separate initiative. But for Active 101, we take a look at this image here at the 101-84 Woodside Interchange and have been asking folks to introduce folks to why we're doing this project. If would you walk or bite here? Does this look comfortable? And if you take a look at what's actually provided at some of these crossings, there's no bicycle infrastructure, there's no sidewalks, there's no friendly, the death dresser amenities, there's no crossbox, anything to get people safely or comfortably through the interchange to cross US 101. So the Active 101 project is then going to take a look at improving those connections all across the county and how we're going to be doing that is looking at connections near or across US 101. So that could be anything. So not to fully pick on Red with City in the last one. They are doing other great things too, like the undercrossing of US 101 here. So building on things like the University of Interchange project with the pedestrian over crossing to figure out where we can solve some of these issues across the county. So looking for feedback to help us prioritize those. Next slide. So just to declare a vacation for folks that might not fully get what we mean by active transportation. And we're really talking about any type of travel by foot, by bicycle, by wheelchair, or by scooter, or my mobility device. So I think scooters are function as well. Any type of walk bike and rolling. Next slide. So the outcome of the Active 101 implementation plan will be looking at all those different crossings, helping us prioritize those, and trying to figure out how we can design things like curve extensions to reduce the cross-edit distance for pedestrians, make them more visible we can design things like curve extensions to reduce the crossing distance for pedestrians, make them more visible, look at things like lighting and by visibility crosswalk start things to understanding where we have sidewalk gaps through and around the freeway itself. And if there are any type of bicycle lanes or separated bikeways or even the larger types of infrastructure like the pedestrian and bicycle accessible bridges that go over under the freeways. And so trying to figure out from a more holistic perspective all across the county where those needs are and then how we can prioritize those and help try to work to get some implement it. Next slide. So you might be asking why active transportation, and I'm sure this group is experts in this, but as we've been working through a lot of our strategic plan and this project, we took a look at the percentage of all trips happening in San Mateo County. And one of the more staggering statistics is that 56% of all trips by all modes of transportation across San Mateo County are actually under three miles in length. And so when we try to talk about ways to think about mode shift and reducing vehicle miles traveled and then further congestion on the freeways, it's really these trips from zero to one miles that are most likely potential walking trips and then two to three miles which are potentially bikeable trips. So if we even can just hack away at that number just a little bit, that's actually a great number of trips when it comes to getting vehicles off the road. Next slide. Through how will active 101 do all of this? So we're not starting at zero. And we know there's been a lot of great foundational work from the City and County Association of Governments, the county-wide comprehensive bicycle pedestrian plan. Health trans have their district for bicycle pedestrian plans. NTC has the regional active transportation plans and all of our local jurisdictions, including East Palo Alto, have either bicycle or pedestrian plans or comprehensive active transportation plans as well. So we have gone through and aggregated all the needs within a quarter mile of the freeway. If we go to the next slide, I believe. So if we took all of those within a quarter mile, we actually have 148 identified the project needs across the county just within that quarter mile on either side of the freeway. And then using the Active Transportation Programs grant criteria, so the States Active Transportation Program grant criteria, we ranked those projects using their scoring metrics and came away with the top 25 projects in each area of the county. So narrowed that 148 down to 75 projects. And so in our first phase of engagement, which Charles here will talk a little bit more about, we're then trying to take those 25 projects in each area of the county and identify what the top 10 are and then coming out of that in the next phase of engagement. We're actually going to be identifying which ones haven't been started that we can help develop preliminary designs for and then come back to the communities in the spring with those designs. So then hopefully understand if those designs are meeting community needs and then we're going to create implementation and funding plans for those, and the transportation authority will work with our partners to help move those forward and try to get those funded and put on the ground. Next slide. And with that, I'll pass it back to you, Jason. Hey, thanks Patrick. So we've just launched a website, and it's, it basically is going to be a tool. I'm gonna switch over actually to share that. Maybe we can turn our videos on now. Nope. Okay. No. So we just launched this tool and it's going to help us hear what's going to be important for you to help us understand from the 148 projects what are the most important projects to you all. So this through this tool, you can see that there's going to be split between the Northern part, the mid and the Southern. You can participate in all three or you can focus on just one area specifically. So what I'll show an example of is let's go to South County. So when we open the tool, you're going to basically have 10 coins that you can spend. And you can either spend 10 on one project if you feel really passionate about it. You can split between the different coins between the different projects. And then you can basically vote by submitting your email address. And on top of that, if you enter and submit feedback, you're going to be entered to win a $250 gift card. So we really would appreciate your support in letting us know your priorities for which project is most important to you. So be sure to submit your email address when you submit your priorities so that you can be entered to win the gift card. So let me switch back to the presentation. And I will send the link to everyone as well so you can participate on your own. Let's go back to the presentation. We'll also be out in the community at different pop-ups throughout the county. So, if you see us, we're going to be updating our web page with different locations for the different pop-ups happening across the county as well. And then so, how will your feedback be used? It'll help us narrow down the 148 projects to do a top 10 in each portion of the county and then when we'll be back in the spring with preliminary designs for those top options. And then you'll also have another chance to share your feedback. So just sharing the link again, I'll drop it in the chat and send it to the tool too if you could send it around. And then we can open it up for some discussion. So we wanted to know, you know, we have a couple of questions here written down, but how does 101 act as a barrier in your community for the members of your community? What would the ideal active transportation connections in your 101 look like in your community for the members of your community. What would the ideal active transportation connections in your 101 look like in your community? And if you had a magic wand to fix anything for people walking biking or rolling in your 101, what would you fix? So it's kind of an open-ended question. You don't have to answer all of them, but we're just kind of wanted to get some of your feedback or initial thoughts. questions. Thank you. I know I have questions and comments. Do any other commissioners want to question? I believe Chris Cal. Thank you, Chair Dynand. Let me lower my hand. I... Am I going to answer some of these questions here first? I've observed... So Sam translated a write plus, micro transit last year. And when I talked to some of the drivers, I kind of asked them, like, hey, how often are you? How often are you crossing the 101 over university avenue? And they said about half the rights where just generally people like half a mile mainly do go to like Target or for jobs there or just buy things. So I would say that 101 has been very important for East Palo Alto, especially a lot of residents on the West side. In terms of the in terms of the first question also how it's a barrier. So currently we do have a Paulus Avenue pedestrian over crossing also for bikes. And I use that quite a lot by bike. And I would say, I mean, I've probably used at least 40, 50 times and at least 30, by at least 80% of the time I see at least one other person using the bridge. So it's used quite a lot. And I'm excited we're going to have our university avenue of a crossing soon. But one of the problems I've identified is it's going to be difficult to get to the university avenue of a crossing. And that's something that from a magic one perspective, I think could help our community a lot. They're just not sidewalks leading to it, along like Woodland Avenue. I think that would make that pedestrian overcrossing less useful in the meantime. I do have through the chair. Thank you, Charles, and Patrick, for the presentation. I did have a chance to look quickly at the website that you just shared and what I Got gained from the quick review is like you were saying that you're looking at crossings Between the sit adjacent cities and 101, so that the 101 doesn't corridor, doesn't become a barrier. So, one of the things that I did have a question on is, is there a kind of like a system wide, as I was looking at reviewing the website, like a system wide route that you would have in mind. So as you put together these projects, it would kind of be a priority for that route or kind of guide the improvements that you're making. So for example, if there was a route from South San Francisco all the way down to Redwood City, and it would cross over the 101 corridor in different locations, that was something I didn't see, but maybe that's later down the line and we haven't gotten to that point yet. But thank you for the presentation. Here very well, Kevin, I'm happy to answer that. That is a great point and you are right, that is what we're going to do following this first phase. We're trying to figure out where are those key products that people want to focus on, and then we're going to pair those with where we have existing facilities already that serve the community, and then try to knit together a more comprehensive north-south route from Brisbane all the way down to East Palo Alto that really is the adjacent and crosses 101. So trying to create a more comprehensive strategy to identify those as well. So that'll definitely be a part of the next phase as the plan. Are there any more comments from commissioners before I go? I'll see you, perhaps. Hi, Patrick and Charles see. Excuse me. That was an excellent presentation. Thank you. If I had a magic wand to fix anything for people, especially Neese, Paul Alto, I would say that the roads, like a adjacent to 101, especially in our city are pretty in rough condition. And I think Gail has mentioned that before. And I think the pavement that people drive on and walk on could be a lot better. And in our city specifically, it would mean that the sidewalks all connect, that we have more ball-bout so that people feel safe and that parking is enforced. So, but yeah, this is a great presentation. Thank you. Okay, I'll jump in. Thank you for the presentation. I'd be curious what is on the menu. On our computers here, we don't have keyboards. I couldn't pull it up and look at it, but I'd be curious what you have proposed for East Palo Alto, specific projects that were on your menu of voting. That was my first comment. So I don't know if you have a time to go to the map. I'm going to go to the map. I'm going to zoom into the map here. You can see a whole host of different projects. So, ones, there's the East Bay Shore Avenue, there's the crossing of the University of New York, and since that hasn't been finished, so trying to figure out where those corridors are, and then trying to figure out some additional facilities like a long holdout as well. So a lot of these are pulled from the local documents themselves. Okay, are there specific projects there, Barbos, or are they just, you know, bike lanes and, you know, they're like, what are these projects? So most of it, we're referring to them more as these are the identified needs that have been identified in the local plans and then we're going to create more comprehensive projects in the next phase because most of them as you point out when we look at things like active transportation plants, they're really just class 2 by claying from here to here, but it doesn't actually get to OK, what other complete streets elements should really be part of these projects? Kind of going to some of the points like ASEO was saying about where do we need more bullbouts and all of those type of things that are really more comprehensive for projects. So really looking at, is this the location that has more need or is it the other location at this phase? Okay, interesting. I guess one of the, one of the, you know, if I could wave a magic wand, Dunbarton Rail, which goes along the, you know, connects with the Bay Trail, would be awesome if I could get on a bicycle and go to downtown Redwood City on a bike. And I believe that's where the rain track's go, although I haven't actually written on that. That would be a magic wand type thing. Of course, I would prefer to have a train station that I could jump on the train in Eastpile also and take it either to San Francisco or Morgan Hill. That would be a magic wand thing. I think a lot of these issues are, what East Palata doesn't have is a safe way to get from North and South safely on streets, like Bay Road to Clark Avenue where there's the bridge. There's a lot of work we would have to do internally in the city to make it safe for people to walk and bike around town. In terms of 101, you know, for instance, I was at 84 where you had the the first image, 84 and you know, seaport and 101. And my son is actually doing rowing now. He just started that about a month ago. And one of the coaches there, Coach Chuck Bikes from downtown Redwood City on Updance Airport to the Chesapeake port if you know where that is. And we saw him one time and I was like, that is dangerous. It is totally not safe. And even though he was wearing bright, you know, bright, bright, you know, fluorescent vest. It still wasn't safe and you know people are on their cell phone. So I'm 100% in support of putting in the infrastructure so people can bike instead of, you know, taking a car. The other thing is we've recently had some German exchange students who are rowers and having to get from East Pal Alto to Chesapeake, port, there's no way to bike there. It's not that far, but there's absolutely no way to take a bicycle. So I've been varying people around in my car. So would very much support this endeavor. But in terms of, we need a lot more investment in these pal also in walking and biking and getting people out of cars and into bike scooters and alternative forms of transportation. And I believe Commissioner Lewis Burgess has a comment as well. Yes, I want to thank each of you also for your presentation this evening. I do have a question, but before my question, I think I would like to start with responding to question number one, whether or not one considers the 101 free way to be a barrier or absolutely anything that splits something and divides and serves as a thoroughfare that one must get over it. It's a natural barrier, but how do we overcome it being a barrier? Now specifically, I'd like to hone in to the diagram where you have the proposed plans. I'm looking at one if you could with me that has a thin line on a zelia. Well, the line is actually on poulgis. Okay, the line is actually on poulgis, but it appears to be what I almost look at as a bridge to nowhere. So I'm concerned asked to what is that? It says it's a bike lane, but the bike lane is only going for a very short distance. It seems like it should be extended at least up to Bay Road, another major intersection, because now we just have East Bay Shore as a cut-off and Murtle there in the city. I just happen to live on a zelia so I'm quite familiar with this territory and it does not seem to expand far enough. Is their particular reason why it's been so small? Why is the area so small? Why doesn't it go all the way up if you could show the picture where it could go. Perhaps to Bay Road where you have a major intersection to take you to somewhere. So this bike lane right now as it looks from what I see looks like a bridge to nowhere. Yeah, so what can you help me with that? Absolutely. So what are the main reasons we've limited it to a quarter mile is to just really understand the needs that are closest to the freeways. However, when we do the design, the preliminary designs and the second phase, we're going to be looking at the larger extent of where are the natural corridor boundaries. And if someone votes on this one, say Paul Gasev, then we're going to take a closer look at that and drilling down to the city's plans about, okay, what are the natural extents for that facility that would make it a complete portal? I just like to make a final comment. I think it's imperative that we consider expanding that because as it stands, if anyone saw it, they wouldn't be likely to vote for it because it does not extend far enough to any port where they could get somewhere else. Just starting from MIRTO to East Bay Shore is insufficient. So I don't think you'll get a lot of votes. It's my natural position on that, right? Because it does not appear to expand enough of a distance to make a difference. So I think even before we invite people to vote, we need to explore the practicality of the recommendations that are here. And in this case, in particular, this is the only project that is truly in the gardens area. It is the only one. So to only consider half of it just doesn't seem to be responsible to me for a lack of any other term right now. Okay. So I would encourage you guys to seriously consider even expanding as it sits right now so that it can be more inviting. If I was voting, I couldn't vote for this even though it's right in my community because I don't feel that it's going to make a difference. That's just information. Okay. Thank you for listening. Okay. Oh, for what it's worth bike lanes beyond that point, but up and I think when you approach East Bay Shore, you run out of bike lane and sidewalk and it starts to get really difficult. So maybe I think I think I understand why it's just that part they really we really do need sidewalks and bike lane there, but I agree with Commissioner. All right, excellence. Commissioner Kau has come out. I like to make a recommendation to Charles and the other presenters. I just want to bring to your attention that on October 24th, there's actually going to be an organized East Paluto infrastructure bike ride at 130 p.m. Starting from the live and piece bike shop and I think this will be we would love for you to be there I plan to be there if it works with my work schedule because We'll be having city officials and we'll be biking around to look at existing East Palo to biking infrastructure and yeah it'd be great to have you there. I can send you info after and it's also on event bright. Yeah come on out I'm planning on being there and I hope other commissioners and staff can join us. It'll be fun. Okay. There's any other comments. Here's one question I have is I there's a rumor that there's an underground tunnel that goes under one on one. I know it actually does exist. And have there been any any feasibility studies to reopen that because having a tunnel that went under 101 that was clean, well-lighted, safe, secure, not full of rats or anything like that would be an awesome infrastructure addition to the city? I know what used to be present. I believe Gail Commissioner Wilkerson may have comments on that. They have, it's real. I went under it several times as a teenager. But I noticed Palo Alto has something similar and it's wide it's inviting and everything. This one wasn't it was like an underground tunnel where you go to dungeons and dragons go to high. That would I I see my vision in the future future that ramp like in St. Carlos they have one underground or overhead going over Dona, Dona, and Mark bringing it up. I mean we can revisit it because we're going to have to figure out some way to get over to the west side to connect to east and west together. And if they can make it safer, the better, more the better, egress, agress, what it's coming and going both ways. Yeah. I know at one point it was in the city CIP plan, like investigating it, but I would need a double check to see if it's still there. It might have been one of the items that was dropped off. I don't know if they filled it up, but I know I'm a witness. It certainly would be interesting to know if that would be a possibility because having an additional way for people to get through, you know, one-on-one would be, you know, a benefit. All right. If there's any other questions, comments on this item. Well, thank you so much for the presentation. Hopefully we'll see lots and lots of improvements moving forward. So thank you so much and we'll catch you at the next public works meeting, I guess. Great. Thank you. I'm just going to share this slide with contact information. You'll notice it's neither of our names, but you know obviously direct questions to us. And then I did just want to mention on we're going to be at the pumpkin festival East Paul to pumpkin festival on Friday, October 25th for this project. Cool. See you there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you both. Thank you. Moving right along to item 5.2, Paul Gus Avenue, many roundabouts design update. The recommendation is that we receive a presentation on the Paul Gus Avenue, many roundabouts design and provide feedback. Thank you. We do have Scott and M from Alta planning and design here who we'll be providing a presentation overview of the Polka 7 New Me Roundabout project. So you both should be able to share your screen because of the Zoom settings that was set up before this meeting, you won't be able to turn on your camera, but you should be able to share screen. All right, thank you, Batool. Evening commissioners. Batool state of my name is Scott Shepherd. I'm a senior engineer here at also planning design with me is M cats, who is one of our project engineers for this project. And we're just here to provide, you know, some a brief update on the Polgis Avenue. Many roundabout project. Kind of where we're at in the design. A schedule update and then we're at in the design, a schedule update, and then we're going to seek some feedback towards the end. All right, so just as a quick overview for those that, if you remember, don't remember, this project was kind of came out of a quick build project that installed two traffic circles on Polgis Avenue at Runnymead Street and Beach Street. And after the quick build, the city decided to move forward with a more permanent design for many roundabouts at these two locations. And we're currently about 50% of the way through the design to construct these two mini roundabouts. And both of the roundabouts, they have somewhat similar improvements proposed. You know, they're going to be yield controlled. They're going to be meeting approaches to help split and guide motorists around some high visibility crosswalks and some new sidewalk and curb ramps at the corners because the crossing locations are going to change. So again, this one is Beach Street, previously as Renny Beach Street, similar improvements, they look pretty close. But one thing that I really want to point out, mostly the thing we're seeking feedback on, is in the center of the circles, you can kind of see now, it looks like a brick pattern. And what we're hoping to do here is kind of see some feedback on what the commissioners or what you think your constituents might want to see in the center of these circles. There's a lot of different options out there. I'm pulling up on the screen now, some different flavors of things that other cities have done in other locations. You can see on the left there, there's just the pure landscaping element with trees and shrubs. There's the just concrete piece. There is the stamped concrete moultzple portion with center landscape, low lying shrub idea. And then more locally and paloalsas specifically, it's usually been kind of a moultzple apron portion which is currently proposed for a few many roundabouts on poulegus and low lying shrubs and things in the center of the circle to help bring some green into the community. So today we're hoping to get some feedback and incorporate feedback we receive into the final plants in middle which we're targeting for the end of November. And then pending approval at the December City Council meeting. The plan is to put the project out to bid for the end of the year. And we're targeting to begin construction in early 2025. All right, with that, we will open it for feedback and discussion. Thank you for the presentation. Commissioner Lewis-Vurgis has a comment. I am so excited. This has been a project that I have been very concerned about and one which I have received a lot of comments from the community. First of all, when they were first and stalled, people thought they were a good idea. We knew it was a temporary design, but they were very unattractive. And folks thought that that is what we may be stuck with, which we knew wasn't the case. So I saw a couple of designs that I think are worth consideration in building upon. Definitely, there was one that you showed that had a buildup pretty much around it. And then it had the greenery in the center. I think that's very important that we have something that's aesthetically pleasing in the community. I think first and foremost, that is what people are looking for when they talk about something being permanently in the community. That'd be appealing, but also that it'd be effective in diverting folks who may not choose to use the roundabout and choose to think that they can still ride over it. I think this diagram where I'm looking at the yellow circle, what appears to be pavements or brick, I'm not sure what it is. It has sufficient signage, it has a nice little green area in the middle. I love the build up of the sidewalks and the crosswalks, of the ramps for the sidewalks and the crosswalks. All of that being factored into it at one time. But I think something along that line is a very good place to start because I think it is aesthetically pleasing. So I think that's a good place to start, but also that it still continues with the signage, even though some people still found it confusing. The circle with the multiple arrows, many people would say to me that they still found that confusing. I don't know if any other commissioners have received any of that feedback. Whereby, if you look at the first diagram on that page, it clearly shows one direction for that car to come. As that car approaches that intersection, it shows that it can only go right. So I think there has to be something in between those two drawings that is more clear in terms of being a direction on where the driver goes. Does that make sense to you what I'm saying because I want to make sure I'm posing this right? Yeah, it makes sense. A lot of the signage is controlled by the MUTCD based on the specific conditions. But it's definitely something that we can dive into more and see if we can find a reasonable option that works. But in terms of the actual decor, the design, again, I'm leaning towards the one to the far right. I'm gonna call it option three of the choices that I see here on the page, surely not option two. And I'm afraid of option one that it may not be quite enough to deter folks from thinking they could still drive through it if they so choose to. So that's why I think with the additional signage, the polls, etc. with option three that I would lean more in that direction. Thank you. I believe there is public comment on this item. Perhaps we could get anyone interested such as Robert Jones from the fire district to make a comment. As a background, Robert Jones is on the Memelapart Fire District as the representative for East Palo Alto. Thank you for allowing me to speak. I'm not here on any official fire district recommendation, because no one knew that this item was on the agenda. So but I live in the city, been here for 45 years so I'm speaking on both behalf at this point in time. The roundabout is a really is a cool idea. It's a great idea. I think where it would be strategically beneficial, it seems like there are streaks which really should require around about. However, I'm hoping that the architects, the consultants, have test bases with the fire district. Because when the fire engines come out of RunnyMeed and they are going down RunnyMeed and they are trying to get to a certain location within the three to four minutes projected that from the time they are activated to the location is the farthest extenders for getting to that place. Having a roundabout can be a little tricky. It depends on how high it is and I know and we understand that sometimes the purpose is to slow down traffic to control traffic around certain areas and streets. But when the fire trucks are on a life threatening individual, they have to get there, especially when it's come to their heart and their breathing is failing. They have to get there within a three minute time limit. So my concern is kind of understanding if the fire, where they are, they can be anywhere in the city at any given time, but to have those traffic mitigating roundabouts, depending on the nature of them, just like having speed bumps, I know that if our sum streaks have cuts in the middle of the speed bumps, so that the trucks can go right through the speed bumps and won't lose time. So Mike is earned, and I'm trying to express, if I open clear, that I'm assuming that the consultants have talked to the fire department. If they haven't, I would suggest strongly that you talk to John Johnson. He's the fire marshes in court for the before the fire district You can also talk to the fire chief to get a recommendation before you make the final approval and design Because the design is gonna make it be a big difference in terms of whether it's gonna be of the save lives or Be a hindrance to saving lives. Thank you. Thank you for your comment One thing I did want to know is that the engineers did do a turning movement analysis that looked at the... oh thank you. They looked at you know buses and fire trucks making their turns and we whenever we have projects we do coordinate with the fire district. We try to be accommodating but we don't we don't require we don't need fire district approval with any of our CIP projects but we do like to coordinate to make sure that they are on the same page but I'll turn it back to you Scott and them. Can I make a fight? I'll be before go ahead I'm sorry. No you go. Okay. Just quick. I just was going to share that one of the things that I've had the pleasure of doing recently was Tory, the fire department, Minlow station two. And one of the things that I found that was extremely impressive, you already know about this is their routing board that they have now that tells them the best way to get somewhere. So I like to believe, first of all, I think they should be consulting. I think you're absolutely correct. We don't ever want to neglect that little step, whether we need it or not, we want to consult with those who may need to use it. But one of the things that I found interesting about this new board that they have that shows them where they are. It also shows them the best way to get to where they have to go. You know, so even though you may think it's easier than I go straight down Pogas and I turn left here, right? The board tells them exactly where they need to go from the time that they leave the station. So if around about I would have to imagine that if it was a less desirable route for them to take, it would chart out a new route for them. So I just wanted to share that because that was one of the things that I was impressed about during my interview, but absolutely concur that anything that can potentially dismantle efficiency in their response. We at least want to know exactly what they think, because it's recommendations that they may may not even be that off from what we already have planned. So I agree, but as I said again, I was just impressed on my tour to discover that they could do that so easily. If it's just inconvenient to go down one street, they know the street to go to before they approach it. Are there any other comments, concerns from commissioners? I can't see them. So Commissioner Wilkerson. Okay, again, I hate roundabouts. We're 2.5 square miles and it seems like we're doing, we're throwing junk into the 2.5 square miles. We have to be strategic about this. And sincerely, I've told the console, higher urban designer. Now, those roundabouts that you showed in Palo Alto, I've been around here a long time. I just in state put in 2.5 square miles. I worked in Palo Alto, the postal service, and I noticed roundabouts are in locations where they're kind of like East Palo Alto, what, you know, what PR. They, they're locations where people don't really want to be. And it seems like the police also. And that's why they're there. I don't like roundabouts. I think we should tackle this with social behaviors. Once you, if you invest in signs that said you're going 100 miles an hour and then it takes a picture and you get a thousand dollar ticket, that's going to change your behavior. And that's where we should do societal till behaviors. Instead of 2.5 miles, lumps, stop signs, and roundabouts. I can see in the future there's going to be some lights, more traffic lights also. And last night you guys weren't at the City Council meeting, but they gave approval to Epic Center to block everybody's traffic. A few people are dictating how we live and that's including speeders. The roundabouts I have sat there and watched people go a maneuver. They start from the beach street. They have a client there. Come down this B3, go all the way around, go down Paul gets. That's stupid. It looks silly. And you have a few people dictating how we should live. And I, like I want to go back to it, put up those lights, tag their lights, read their license plate, and find them. $1,000. And they'll stop it. That's the way I feel about it. But if you got to put up some dumb roundabouts, I like aesthetics of vegetation. Even a waterfall. Thank you. I believe we have a public comment. Hello, fight for, um, fight, Virgis 351 is a drive in, in the gardens. I beg to differ, uh, Miss Wilkinson's idea about the round of outs. I find them to be very, well, I'm not very pleased with the ones that we have because they are experimental. I understand that. But we, we as you see people were still trying to do donuts and the reason why they don't stand up is because they're running over them. I believe once we decide which particular one we want one two or three it for safety purposes I find them very useful. Our teenagers and youth and even some adults are doing donuts in our streets and around about stop them from doing that. So there is a safety precaution. I also agree with brother Jones that they need to be discussed with our police department and also our fire department for safety purposes and for health reasons. Thank you. Thank you for the comment. It responded out. Well, it's the fact that we all have difference of opinions. And there's a small percentage of people in this town, about 50 to 80 people who run our lives. And I saw I'm running for a council because I'm tired of people saying dumb stuff. I have been taught this. I've gone to school for this. And I see stupidity without people opening up their mouths. So if you look at the learnings and you look at the reasons, you will see that 2.5 square miles, don't call for one of your, put up a jail sale. I mean, that's what it's a mounting to. That's all. Thank you. We move on to Vice Chair O'Hila. Yes. So I did get a chance to review the plans. My first comment, I think it was sheet SS-01, I think, is the striping and signs drawings. And it's in the same vein as Pasadolu is a Verges, the signs that we have, if we can facilitate what direction the vehicles go by striping the road. I think in Stanford, I know they're around about where they striped the road to show where they put the arrow on the road instead of a sign. So that's one comment that I would like to add as a feedback. And then the second comment has to do with the layout. And I believe there's medians or curbs leading up to enter the roundabout. And it looks like that the width of the road is narrow due to, I think there's a, it's at the point where the crosswalk goes across the road and it's adjacent to the median. Something that I envisionating happening when bicyclists and vehicles start to queue up to enter the roundabout, if there's a bicyclist at the, you know, waiting to get into the roundabout, there might not be enough room or width to both have a vehicle and a bicyclist stop at that point. So we may need to revision and look at, you know, reminding motorists, et cetera, yeah, use vehicles, but reminding motorists that they shared the road with bicyclists and whatnot. So those are some of the feedback that I did after review that I have for the team. And also just making sure, yes, what Bob Jones has reminded us is that we should check with emergency services vehicles because we want them to get to where they need to go, especially in life threatening situations. Thank you. Commissioner Patel. Answer hand up. I was going to say approximately what Hilo said, but I also wanted to emphasize that traffic or many roundabouts are incredible for public safety and will beautify, especially the areas in question. I think I live nearby one of them and I think it's a great feature and I think of all you live nearby one of them. And I think it's a great feature, and I think it does help me and other drivers slow down and see that there are families and children and people walking. So when you are driving and you see something obstructing your view a bit, you slow down and adjust how you are driving. And I think a roundabout is a great way to do that. And I'm sure in the commission, we will also be talking about other methods like bike lanes and extending some of the sidewalks. And I think that's awesome. Yeah, thank you, Commissioner Patel. I'll make some comments now. Yeah, I'm a 100% in favor of the roundabouts, and obviously we want to make them compatible with fire trucks. But it also add that, you know, one of the big flaws of fire departments everywhere is they have these gigantic trucks that are made at a certain size that aren't necessarily appropriate for our streets. And if you go to other parts of the world, you'll see much smaller vehicles. are made at a certain size that aren't necessarily appropriate for our streets. If you go to other parts of the world, you'll see much smaller vehicles. Most of the service calls for fire department are either medical emergencies or their false alarms. There's very few actual fires, although that's obviously a key part of it. But I think I've seen big, you know, buses be able to maneuver around these roundabouts fairly easily. And could I do live near there? I'm in terms of the design. I would echo the excellent comments of Commissioner Lewis Burgess and agree 100%. I think as much as I'd like to have you know a redwood tree or something big there or maybe a statue for Miles Davis or Duke Ellington or some other great jazz musician the reality is that you should be able to see across the roundabout and have visibility and when I'm driving I don't want to have it be obscured by any any tree. So I believe it was option three that Commissioner Vergis identified that was also the one that I liked. I've been out as one does when running for city council knocking on doors. Which is actually this is a side point. It's kind of a weird behavior to go up to people and you don't know and knock on their door and say hi. And unless you're a postal worker, you probably haven't done that through EPA. But I have received incredibly positive comments about roundabouts and people have been asking for more roundabouts. Like I was on, I believe it was Wisteria in the gardens and one guy was asking, how come we can't get around about here? There's people doing donuts. This would be great to get out the stop signs and have something there. They would keep people from going super fast. And so, yeah, 100% in favor of this. My only thought is maybe if there was like an iron baller in the middle of it, so if somebody did try to run it over, they'd destroy their car. I don't know if that's good practice, but it would feel good. I'd like to see more of these and definitely do them so they actually look it. I think the feedback I do here from folks, I mean, there are the occasional person who hates roundabouts, but most people are like, yeah, we like them, but get rid of the stop of the dines and make it look pretty. Because it looks ugly right now. And we have enough ugly stuff in East Palo Alto. Let's make the roundabout. So I mean, I like the idea of having some vegetation there. Maybe you have a volunteer group to flowers, although that would raise the question of watering and maintenance. I'm sure there's best practices here, but yeah, look forward to seeing it. I'm in strong support, and I think that's about it. Although if you are going to do monuments, it would be kind of fun to have some statues there that would act as ballers as well, but maybe founders of the city at every roundabout, it would be great. Oh, yeah. The other comment I would make is, you know, going around the country and the world, you see roundabouts in a lot of places and maybe something we would want to look at is having roundabouts in on University Avenue, a corridor. One of the issues we have is traffic timing. And I think it would be all on university to get rid of the stoplights and put in roundabouts might make the traffic flow a lot better. And that would be on all of the quarters. And by the way, you do see this in other cities. You do see this in other places, and it works really well. It means when the traffic lights are not timed correctly, the traffic is still flowing. And that you don't have this stop and go traffic, it just sort of goes. But I mean, that's obviously a much larger subject and a much something that needs to be studied and could be a terrible idea. But I think it would be worth looking at. I wanted to make one comment on that, even though it's off topic. But we did get some grant funds from the TA for the University Avenue Grand Corridor project and as part of that we're gonna be doing a lot of like outreach and studying how we're gonna change the entire corridor. So basically it could be looked into when that begins. One of the issues I have living on university or living on running meat is that there'll be no traffic on university but the lights are timed for four or five minutes and you're just sitting there and you're sitting there and if it was around about you just go and a lot of these stop and go traffic and the traffic issues we have them in browned about our believe cheaper than stoplights or it's stoplights are really expensive. I mean roundabouts are expensive too but I shouldn't even make that comment because I clearly don't know what I'm talking about but it would be you know be really interesting to explore you know like what it would work is where my folks live in Wisconsin a major highway has roundabouts where they intersect to county highways. And there's a lot of traffic on them and they make it work. Commissioner Cowell. I wanna talk about metrics on roundabouts. As commissioners may or may not know, last night's city council approved our third potential feature roundabout in the form of a temporary mini traffic circle at Fordham and Notre Dame in the village. I would like to see some metrics on these roundabouts once they're installed in terms of one like our traffic speeds changing on polguss. And then maybe some other things as well too, maybe how many cars are moving through like per hour. I've gotten some subjective feedback. Last week I took the 280 CM trans three times actually down polguss to Paul Aldo. And when I talked with the bus driver, he was very supportive of Roundabout. He said that in his observation, the intersections have become safer and he drives us everyday, by the way. He felt that the intersection has become safer because he noticed that cars were speeding less. But these are all subjective and I like to get some objective measurements. Yeah, no, that's definitely something we could do, like some post-free during post installation metrics. Okay. Well, thank you very much. I think that ends this portion of 5. reports. Are there the CIP update, 6.1, General CIP update? I won't be going through them, but I will take questions on any of the items that are in here. I did invite PD to come to give an update on the world curve, but I don't see Commander Boykins in the chat unless you are here and you're named something else. I am here. Can you hear me? Oh yes. You know if you use my Zoom link then it shows us my name. But yeah, thanks for joining. Absolutely. And it to you. If you wanted to give an update on the role curve program. I don't have a lot to offer at this meeting, but I'll have more for the next meeting. The role curve citations have gone up. We're looking into are they duplicate being given out to the same cars or are new cars being ticketed. So we're waiting to get some feedback on that. Each ticket is $38 and we are looking at the courts to increase the fines if they get multiple tickets for the same violation. Uh, that makes sense. Hello, we can hear you. Thank you for your update. And thank you for joining. Is it joining the commissioners have questions for Amanda Boykins? Yeah, I have both personally observed and I've heard a lot of comments from people in the gardens, for instance, where they don't feel like it was enforced initially and they don't feel like it's working now, like there is no enforcement and if you walk around, you will see cars parked everywhere on sidewalks. The other comment that I've heard from lots of residents is that Roll curb parking does not work for the design of the street, where there is simply not enough space on the street for cars to get through when both cars are parked, especially like larger truck are both parked across from each other on some of the streets. Which kind of raises a larger policy issue where the city may want to look at prohibiting parking on one side of the street if we are going to do road curb parking. There's apparently a lot of mirrors that have been broken, a lot of cars that have been scratched by cars going by. It raises the larger question of permit parking and other things. Not anything that's sort of like Commander Boykins would be able to answer right now, but it is a feedback that I've received extensively from people who live in the gardens that really not comfortable driving when there's two cars parked properly with World's curb parking. I agree with that. Engineering would have to be involved as well. One of the major complaints that we have received concerning the parking is that people are still having a difficult time with strollers or wheelch more and more on the sidewalks to prevent pedestrians from safely passing as well. So I can understand how that vehicular traffic in the roadway forces people to park more encroaching upon the sidewalks. I don't know the answer to that. We've been giving out tickets. We give out an average of 20 tickets a day for that particular violation. Like I said, I don't know if they are 20 of the same people or 20 different people getting these tickets. Thank you, Commander Boykins. I live in the gardens. This is Commissioner Lewis Burgess. I live in the garden and I have been walking the street. So I'm just as a few folks on the panel have discussed and canvassing the area lately. I've walked up and down, Azalea, up and down with Sterea, up and down Sage, O'Connor, Daisy Lane, many other streets, right, who are dealing with the road curve parking. And I want to just truthfully say that I was able to stay on the sidewalk for my entire trip from Pogas to O'Connor. I never encountered a situation where I had to go to the street because there was a car blocking me. Now this is completely different than it was even a year ago. I could have never said that never. But in our walking, not once, did I have to go around because I couldn't get through. Now, I'm not saying it was a lot of space. In some cases, I believe if it's a single baby stroller, it could have made it every time. If it were a double one or a wheelchair, I don't know that it would have made it. The reality becomes how often do people wheelchair down the sidewalks. Generally, it's easier for them to do streets or things just depending upon what side of the car they're exiting or entering. So I don't know. But I really want to say that I'm really pleased with the improvement as minor as it may be. I have seen a change in behavior. And I have noticed all of of my and today when I was walking I just want to share this I paid particular attention to where the wheels were on the cars in terms of what the diagram said and I found that people were really trying to make an adjustment. So I think through the education that you guys are providing with the signage. I think it's making a different Commissioner Wilkerson mentioned earlier about societal changes. Well, I think if we continue to enforce the policy more people will join in. No one wants to get a ticket repeatedly for parking in a way that they shouldn't. So I just think this is something that we just need to stay diligent at and continue to pursue it. Now, my street to Commissioner, a Dynance point is one of those streets as they'll your drive that on occasion. Yes, we have to yield to oncoming traffic to let one person pass before we can pass, depending upon the size of the vehicles. That happens, but it is never inconvenienced me. Nobody has ever given me the finger. It's never been met with unpleasantry. It's like it's an understanding that we rather do this than to have parking on one side of the street or no parking, right? It's like, yes, I'll be inconvenienced a slight amount for the greater good. So I think it's working. I think we just need to continue to enforce it and to continue to educate people as we have done. So those are my comments on the road curves. Thank you, I appreciate that. You're welcome. Yeah, I add two want to reiterate what Pastor Lewis just stated because I live on Wisteria in the gardens and there are days when I'm walking you know towards the Bay Trail or MLK and the sidewalks are clear and you know that's in the mornings and in the evenings. But then there are days where we're having the issues of someone parking a little bit too much on the sidewalk. So I think we just got to give it a little bit more time. I also noticed that some of the signs that were put up for information about road curb are starting to come down, whether it was evangelized or just wearing tear. So I would like to also understand how do we replace that if there's a plan to replace that. And when we do, are we going to, I think I brought this up in a previous meeting, are we going to replace those signs with both English and Spanish language? That'd be something to look forward. But yeah, those are my feedback for the WorldCorp. Issue and thank you, Commander Boykin, for your efforts. You're welcome. Can I ask what street you're on? with. With stereo close to O'Connor. I want to go out there tomorrow and look at the signs and see how weather they are. Because we're just on the cusp of the weather changing and I'd like to get them. Replace. Before. The bad weather comes in because they're less likely to take that on as other priorities come on board. So I'll check out West area and the surrounding streets and see what the condition is of the signs. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Thank you. Can I say something? Commissioner Wilkerson. I just like to give my little two cents here. When I moved here, we didn't have this problem. I know you heard this a thousand times for all us old residents here, but it was a panacea. I think a lot. And the roll up curves. I think if you leave it in the condition it is, it's going to us a thing of the past. I vision that one day we're going to have to go in there and take two to three feet from each property owner to white and no streets. And like Miss Reverend DeBara said, we compromise. I'm not sure if you're going to go to the other person. Uh, uh, Miss, uh, uh, Reverend DeBora said, uh, we. Compromise and we, this is forever. We go to the side. We let the other person go by and that that's always been like that. But I noticed something the other day was different. There are people. I think they're just moving into the city. They're not doing it as much and it was rude to me. They didn't know So me what do you do about that? I lived on Koolie and Shimbri. I used to own those three houses there across from Koolie market I would I go down Shimbbury now. It's like a parking lot and not even a good well dealership parking lot. Raggedy cars on the streets and parked on the lawns. Little by little we have to do something about this and I really truly believe that it has to be reinforced by our nowadays society changes to let people know this is not kosher. You cannot do this. So what I go back to, what I predict, we're going to have to take some feet of a land from each homeowner owner and widened streets. I remember when they did redevelopment, when I lived on Cooley, they widened the streets. But people are getting bigger trucks, F-150s, and you see three and four of those, I was on some in a yard and that just burns me up, that we allowed them to force that on us. It used to be, if you didn't have a place to park your car, you didn't buy it. And now it's like two, three families, everybody has to have a car, the kids have to have a car. I counted 19 cars on one property. And it overflows off onto the streets and we have no place to park. So we have to do something about that. If you don't have a place to park the car, don't buy it. Or be penalized. We have to force some behaviors. Because you don't live in this city alone. You know, man's island and stuff like that. But what did I say all that? It's getting kind of far off the subject of Rolt Kerr parking. But really we should take the land and widen the streets. If we could stick to Rolt Kerr parking, but I think that's all the comments from the commissioner. So thank you, Commander Boykin, for the update. Would love to get actual stats on how many people are getting ticketed and make sure that there's a consistent effort. By the police force, to enforce our laws, I mean, one of the things as a city were incredibly vulnerable to an ADA lawsuit. If we do not, do you have cars blocking? Parking sidewalks, sorry. So it's the law that people should be able to walk on the sidewalk. But thank you for the update. In terms of other CIP, I believe Commissioner Lewis Burgess has a question. Yes, a comment more so than a question. I'd like to speak to item number one of the CIP, the bus shelter improvement projects. As we know, part of the installation of the new bus shelters were the installation of new trash bins or trash containers. It has been my observation. I have not ever taken the dimensions of the previous trash bin, so I can't say as a matter of fact, but I can tell you this, there has always been one directly in the front of my church or the church that I passed her at, and there has always been one directly across the street. As a matter of fact, they had two. They had two in place, one for recyclables and one for regular trash. So we've replaced two trash cans with one trash can, constantly overflowing. I have taken picture after picture. I have dated it. I have paid people to go up and down the street. They appear to be smaller, but I can't say with any level of certainty because I never took dimensions of the first one, right? But there were two instead of one. Now we have one, and if you go up and down Bay Road, it's an eye sore to see all of this trash overflowing. So a couple things need to happen. Yeah, I'll talk to maintenance because they have a color contract with the ecology. That's what I pick up. So that's what I want to bring to your attention. Yes, we know if we replace two with one. There's going to be an overflow. Yeah, you know, I don't know why there were two there because typically we got our bus shelter standards from Sam Trin. Yes, one is both, but we always know. And the two are cool. So now they have one. Yeah, the standard is one, but if it's a location, that needs to be service more often, I'll pass that to me. And I think that's what it is. I think they need to be service far more often because they're beautiful shelters. They look wonderful. But when you see trash overflowing, it takes away from the appeal of being at the bus stop. So we definitely need to implement a routine practice where there are maintenance more often. Yeah, okay. I'll let me know. Thank you. I have a tool. Can we get a quick update on the Rutgers gate? And I know you say the BKF or BKF engineers are working on a draft construction plan. Yeah. Are there any updates on that? That was the latest I guy actually worked with Diana from the environmental team when I was working on the report. And that was the latest that mid pen had given her mid pen and BKF. So we're still waiting for them to finalize that, hoping for a better update soon. And then the opening of that is going to be really next year, most likely? I think that's when they're hoping. Okay. Are there any other questions or comments from Will, you have your hand up or I'll see that has her hand up. Yeah. Oh, no. All right. Well, then Chris Kyle has his hand down commissioner Kyle. I had questions on two points items 11 and 12. I didn't. So I didn't fall. See counts me very closely last night, but I heard that item 11, the street resurfacing project was approved. Can we get some information on like tentative timeline? Yeah. So last night, this item was on consent on last night's city council meeting and it was approved. So basically the next step is we're working with the contractor to issue notice of award and basically getting like their insurance bond documents to execute the contract, which typically takes a few weeks to get some of those documents. So hopefully within the next few weeks, we have an executed contract. And then right after that, we kick off the project and we issue a notice to proceed. And then there's a number of working days. The most limiting thing right now will be the weather because certain things like slurry seal can only be done when the temperature, to certain temperature outside. So some items might have to wait until the weather gets warmer, but a lot of things like some of the concrete were some of the striping on streets where it's just like the bike lanes. We could do that. It's the rainy season won't really impact that too much. So, and sorry, I was gonna say the answer is as soon as we get a contract, we have a kickoff and we can do, we start on whatever we can. It sounds like for item 11, are we expecting like less than half 2024 and majority of it next year? Where is it like more of this year? I'm going to get a sense. I mean, by the spring, it should be done because I'm not at that point. Like the weather will be better and they could do everything that they need to do. And I think the, I need to double check the working days and the RFB, but it's not more than a few months regardless. Like we get issue extensions for weather, but there's not too many working days in general. So this project shouldn't take long. Okay, thanks. That's all. Is running me between Paul Gus and the Bay included in the resurfacing? Do you know? Oh, need a double check. So I don't know all this for yourself to talk about. Okay. And then Commissioner McConee has an oral report that are done with the CIP up to. Yes, thank you, Chair Dynan. So I'll make it quick because I know we're running out of time. There are three things I wanted to kind of take this time to report out on end. One item is we've already discussed it but it's the vacant commissioner seat and I know Salani reached out to James and and we were going to wait for the April timeline and I understand that and we'll probably I'll probably bring this up with James as well but in our government code for the state it does allow for unscheduled vacancy, a provision where if there is an unscheduled vacancy, you're like in the instance of Commissioner Reed that they would go back and appoint someone. And it sounds like within the code sooner rather than the normal schedule time. So that's something I wanted to bring up if we can look at that. And in the code, in the spirit of the code, it's to optimize or maximize the talents and the feedback we get from having the residents sit on the commission. So I think if something we should definitely look at to have a full commission. And then also bringing up that we have three commissioners that are running for City Council. So at Worcay scenario, we could lose three commissioners, three more commissioners by December. So that would dwindle that not the amount of commissioners to four commissioners. It's just something we should consider. And I'll work with James and Salani and staff to see what we can do to make sure we optimize the commission seats. The second thing has to do with in the code, city code for rules and procedures of the commission is specifically on, you know, there's a stipulation in there or a provision in there that says that the commission may make an alter rules governing its organization procedures which are not consistent, inconsistent, sorry, which are not inconsistent with any applicable ordinance the city. And so we have a lot of things to do with the organization procedures which are not consistent inconsistent sorry which are not inconsistent with any apical ordinance of the city pretty much doesn't go against the city or any rules or laws. But this is something we could look at a little bit more deeply and see what kind of guidelines, what we would like to put forth or propose so that we have a more efficient meetings, not saying that our meetings are inefficient, but just guidelines that future commissions can use so that they don't reinvent the wheel. And some of these are future agenda requests that we already have a procedure for that. Recording of the meeting minutes how we record other items are the speaking duration of commissioners. Having a guideline if we agree to how long should a commissioner speak when given the opportunity. There is a provision in Roberts Rules of Order that everyone on the commission should speak before a commissioner speaks again. So those are some of the things that we can look at and just having a central lie set of guidelines that we can pass on in perpetuity to future commissioners. The last item that I wanted to propose and I have to preface this because as I'm driving down or through the city and we all see this. I preface this by saying I am four small businesses and I'm four, you know, the business owner who's that's their livelihood selling food or selling some you know goods on the sidewalk. There is there is a provision in or a section in the government code about sidewalk vendors. Interestingly enough the city cannot prohibit that which which I think is great because those are those are livelihoods. But it does speak to a having a program that regulates it so that it's safe and that the safety and health and welfare of the residents are taken into account. So I wanted to see if the city has a program like that or is thinking of putting together a program like that because there are more and more street vendors and that's great, that's gonna bring in many benefits to the city and we want people to be self-reliant. We don't want them to depend. If they get out there and they're selling, they have a business, that's great for the city. But as that increases,'re going to start running into issues if we don't have a program to help them with their businesses and regulate for safety, health and welfare. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you. I'm just one thing about the street vendors. We do have like a mobile vendor permit, but some of the vendors that are there, it doesn't really apply to them because they're not really mobile. But I do know our CEDD department, like our building department, code enforcement, our CBO, they, a few months ago, they kind of started having these discussions about establishing something really clear and what making, clear like what's allowed, what isn't, what the city can city can regulate because you're right there are certain things that the city actually can't send code enforcement out to regulate more but thanks for bringing up but it is something that the cdd stop is looking into but once l ask them if that made any progress and I could bring back information if they have anything and I see some commissioner Wilkerson has a comment okay thank you that that's kind of like my willhouse because I owns many restaurants and I went through the permitting and the health I know most of the health departments in several counties and that concerns me too. I'm glad you brought that up. Carlos Romero here you mentioned that if you charge them business licenses, that's all $125. Is it still that? He said, that's all they make in a day. Well, they shouldn't be in business. We have to think about the public. And I have visited them. I've one guy, oh God, I looked at him and it looked like, you know, bacteria was just jumping out of all over the place. Those have to be, you know, control Friday night. It was really every, about every other street had a party going on. And they were selling things. And it was just like they have open signs. And that should be, you know, controlled. And that that bothers me. It worries me that it has gone rapid. And who did you mention that the city really can't do anything about it? Yes, they can that's what a year they they can control that. I don't think we should get too much in depth on this because it's not agendas, but yeah, why don't we move on to Okay, unless there's any other any we'll move on to the I believe item number seven informational reports. Are there any informational reports? Yes, we do have one. Um, are no informational reports. Right. I got ahead of myself. Alrighty. And discussion and action, action. I do have a new informational report. So just for information, nightmare on votes on Road Street hosted by Adamadang, a Polynesian Voices and Bloom House, Canada Forum for the EPA election candidates and people's poll is gonna be held on Wednesday, October 30th, 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. at Bloom House, 2, 5, 5, 5, POG is having a new espotal. Thank you. Well, thank you, Hila. I think I may attend that. Moving on to item number eight, discussion and action, 8.1, LRSP, local road safety plan. And the recommendations, we recommend the city council, the adoption of the local road safety plan, provided by CCAG, the city county association of governments. And there will be a test on these acronyms after the meeting. Thank you. We have assistant engineer Irene here who will be presenting this item. Good evening. Before the evening ends, I'd like to cover this topic, which is a local roadway safety plan. So a little background and the purpose of the CCAG is to set a region-wide vision to advance roadway safety and to also develop a local roadway safety for agency, the city of Eastpolo also for grants such as the O-Bag, which is the one Bay Area grant CalTrans HSIP, which is a US Department of Transportation, safe roadway for all. So a little of the background, we had a kickoff meeting, which is with all the different cities, and SeekCag, which is a city, county, association of government advisory group in August of last year. CCAG obtained data from the community in August of last year. And what they did was they reached out at farmers market or at the local library. And for an example, like they gathered feedback such as like 500 comments from 300 respondents. And feedbacks are like concerns about pedestrians biking the location over where the concerns are and improvements, such as engineering design that they have in mind. And from August to September of last year, CKAC did a-wide web map analysis, and they used a system called Tim's TIMS, which is transportation, injury map being system, and they looked at data from 2017 to 2021, which is a span of five years. So they looked at the HIN, which is a high injury network. And they're able to eliminate the traffic vitalities and our second is to reduce the number of non-fatal injury crashes by 50% by the year 2030. To select the party projects, they looked at the history of crashes, which I mentioned earlier the five-year span, disadvantaged populations, and the characteristic use of the roads linked to the crashes. So the two locations we selected is University Avenue and Bell Street and University Avenue and Week Street. So we narrowed down to these two locations. We looked at other locations, but we wanted to make sure that it's not in conflict with other projects that are underway for the other intersections. So we selected this because there's no project underway for these two. Examples of improvements could be like intersection lighting, a raised median pedestrian crossing, improved signal hardware, restriped intersection pavement markings. So for the next steps is to adopt the plan and get the safety grant funding and continue participation in the transportation safety advisory committee TSAQ and then implement the progress. So for the recommendation is to say for city council to adopt the local road safety plan provided by the CCAG. That concludes the presentation if you have any questions. Thank you for the presentation, Irene. Are there any questions, comments, concerns from Commissioner Cal? Thank you for the presentation, Irene. I wanted to figure out what is the impact of city council potentially proving this because earlier I recall that I think I recall earlier the tool reminded us about the University Avenue grant corridor project which week stream and Bels, Bell Street both would be a part of. So if City Council approves this, does this mean that that project University Avenue Grand Cordo gets more precedent now or is this kind of going to overlap with that project? Well, the Grand Cordo project is more long term. So we got money to do like the planning, so basically outreach and then design it. Some of these local roadway safety projects are more short term. It's like getting amid, what was I called the Center of Media and Refuge Island, better striping, RRFBs. That one is a little bit more short term. And the, obviously if we do our Grand Corridor project, that we would have a design to redesign all of university avenue. But I think with the local road safety plan, that's more short term. And the reason that we need, part of the reason we need to adopt it is because one, it's not just specifically about, you know, these changes at these intersections. Obviously, it calls them out and there are some recommendations, but I think it highlights the city's goals of like reducing fatalities. If you can go back to that slide, maybe. But basically, there's more to this plan than just those specific improvements on university avenue. It's kind of just priority, things that cities prioritizing, which is, you know, reducing fatalities by I think there was a certain Irene, you could probably speak to that better. But like what exactly the goals are. Do you want to go back to that slide, Irene? This, this, oh yeah. So basically, yeah, reduce the number by 50. That what that is, what that over the existing number is tip. And then eliminate traffic. Yeah, eliminate traffic fatalities. You know, I would add a comment to that where you don't just want to reduce the number of nonfatal injury crashes by 50%. You really want people to feel comfortable and safe on the road and the number of, I don't know, what the correct verb is. But if you talk to people on time. Is it zero? Well, no, people don't feel comfortable biking and walking around East ball until they take cars because of their own safety. And we may even have the nonfatal injury crashes grow go up, but if we have a 10,000 percent increase in the number of trips upon bicycle and we have an slight increase in the number of crashes as an absolute number, then that's a good thing. So I think the the end goal is to get more people biking around town because you can have a nonfatal injury crashed by hitting a puddle and crashing, right? But I think the goal for the city and maybe this isn't important, I don't know. But it should be that people feel safe biking around town, they feel safe having their kids bike to school, they have, and maybe the nonfatal crashes do go up because kids run into each other on bicycles because they're all biking at the same time that happens, but I Think the real vision has to be like we have to be a community that's safe for cyclists so I'll just add that I do have a feedback so I Think I think and when when it goes to I'm for it and thank you Irene for for developing it. I just do have I do have some. Um, maybe we can we can add to the the report when we we recommended to city council. So that I think they're called high injury networks. The two high injury networks that are our our proposed is both on university having at weeks and bell, but are there could we include what were the issues or the high injury or collision history we found at those two locations as as and as a result of that that's why that is being proposed, those two locations are being proposed. And then I read in the report that priority locations are based on three inputs, crash history, which is easy enough for me to understand. Social did disadvantage and systemic factors. Those last two ones, I don't know if there's specific examples, we can include. I think I know what it is, but if there are specific examples that make sure that the council also understands what that means in the report that we can include before we provide it to them. And then lastly, page 22, the image that's labeled high injury network. Could we correspond like collision history, numbers of collisions for each high injury network or they're pretty much the roads within our cities that are highlighted, but is that data that we could put on there or correspond to that image? I think if we did that and gave it to the City Council, it would be easier for them to understand. Well, at least for me, thank you. Commissioner Verges. Yeah, just a small tip, but unfortunately, my son was the victim of a vehicle. He's alive and well, but it was a very serious injury, a bicyceless injury. I think it's important that in our quest for what our goals are, in the top part we talked about zero traffic crashes, but in the second part where we talked about we wanted to reduce to 50%. I think it should be specified that we're talking about automobile to pedestrian or automobile to bike rider. I think breaking that up is really important for understanding where the problem really lies because he was hit from a driver simply driving too fast. Could not stop. The impact was so severe that it threw him up into the air. He came down and thanked God. He fell upon another car. And they believed that it was because of that that car breaking the fall that he's actually still with us. You know, it was a very serious injury. The person kept going didn't even stop. You know, so it's a very serious issue that impacts us all. I'm not alone in my story. There's many stories similar. But I think we need to make sure that we include the element of automobile 2 by cyclists or automobile 2 pedestrian. I think they need to be set up sequester to segregate it so that we can understand what's leading to those because those are different types of fatalities generally cause or injuries or injuries generally caused by different conditions. And I don't think they can be grouped together because like you said, I think someone said it. Someone trying to do a wheelie and falling off his bike and injuring himself could be a crash with him in the ground, but that doesn't involve an automobile and a bike. So I think we need to be a definitive in what that second goal is. It does not specify it just says crashes. It does not specify automobile to pedestrian or automobile to cyclists. So yeah, this is exactly what we have done. We also seek it in the meetings. So before we start considering about this project, we go over with like, you know, each class histories and we discuss about pedestrian versus motor or bicyclist versus bicyclist or motorist, you know. So those kind of like different elements and then the conclusion then we come up with like, you know, we showed it out like two or three priority, you know, areas. So yeah, we actually did that practice. Yeah. Right. Right. It's useful for us because when we see it all batched together, I don't really know what you're speaking about, right? You know because you're doing the work, but we don't know. So if we could be more definitive in our explanations, it would help us. Yes, Irene. I think we have included some graphics as backups. If you want to share that. So this does show the percentage, county wide, and East Pole Alto, and it will show the crashes that's pedestrian and then crashes that's bicycle. But so what we selected is kind of a narrowing down based off of these data that we got from C-Cag. I have a question about this report. So if we move to recommend this tonight is what we see printed here exactly what goes to City Council or is there more information like a whole packet that they see. So there is a packet a 35 page packet that was provided. Oh, that's the one linked. Is that the one linked on the one that's attached on the second? Yes. Oh, okay. I see. Yeah, I didn't read that one. I I feel like I would second from from a perspective of like overarching what's a summary of this Like the first slide you had about the 50% reduction and then also no fatal accidents I would second what what commissioner versus Lewis is saying. Like, if I was a council member was thinking about this, as soon as I saw the two intersections mentioned on university, I would probably assume we're talking about cars, because that's what universities known for is all the 80% of cars coming through from other cities. So it would be nice in the summary to to specify what what commissioner said, but also list out some more specific data points on those two intersections. Because from what I have seen printed out, I can't figure out why we chose those, especially since your title slide seem to have a bunch of dots around Bay Road and not University. So it's hard to figure out why that's like the highest priority for me. So this is actually the 35 pages of a document that CKAD had prepared for our city. Okay, I see. Yeah. Also, one thing I wanted to know is that these two priorities actually aren't new. They come from I believe our general plan. So it's not like a new priority that the city is establishing. It's more like echoing what's existing in our adopted plans. Okay. In the interest of it being 720, and people need to get, can we get a motion to recommend to City Council the adoption of the local road safety plan provided by CK. Yes, I'll make that motion to recommend this plan. Can we get a second? I'll second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. The motion passes. Number nine, written communication. Is there any written communication? Nope, none. Okay. With that, the last item is future commission agenda item requests. What are the future PWTC item requests. Talk about that. That we get have more teeth. You know, to our decisions. I know we're advisory type board. But last night, really, it got to me. We all unanimously said we we didn't want heat pack to have a loading zone right there and All that traffic, but then they kind of temporarily they compromised and gave it to them and it's obvious that given them that Little compromise it's still gonna cost the remainder of the city to be blocked. It's gonna cause more traffic, probably blocked back it all the way up to running the New York street mark the way it is. So I would like to have more teeth. And I said this about the rent board and the advisory board that I was on, because what we do is we sit around and we listen and we take everything to heart. And I think we hear more than they do, but then they have already made a decision when it gets there, which is their priority. But I like to just see if we could talk about having a little bit more power. Okay, are there any other items for possible discussion? Okay, with that, the meeting is adjourned at 7.21pm. Thanks everybody. We'll see you next month. Thank you.