Okay. All right, 7.38 pm. I'd like to call this work section to order. We're ready to get the pledge allegiance. A moment of silence. Roll call this Lord. Please. Please. Mr. Haas. Yes. I hear it. Mr. Krishnowski. Here. Mr. Laskavage. Here. Smith-Dermott. Oh, lights on, please. Mr. Perry. Mr. Sabatina. Ms. Smith. Here. Ms. Stevenson. Here. Mr. Thornton. Here. Mr. Willowicz. Mr. Lombardo. Here. All of present. All right. Any additions and deletions in the work session agenda? Their motion to adopt the agenda. Motion. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? The agenda is adopted. Number one, we have budget reports for December 2023. Ms. Roselle. Thank you. In your packet, you are given the three reports that we've been using for the last couple of meetings. But I just want to tell the other council members too, if there is a report that you feel would be beneficial to you, I can prepare any kind of report that you're looking for, the evening will be helpful. In addition to that, if you ever have any questions about the resource, please feel free to call, stuff I, or whatever I'm happy to answer any questions that you have. If you've built it, something you want to discuss at a public meeting, the budget performance report. And it's the last picture that we've already seen that. At the end of December, we are 92% of our Web and Inflation budget. There are still some entries that we would make that we need to make to close out the UNRENT. What is the biggest could be? The individual's that did not pay their real estate taxes, which are over-sleeved. So we'll get that information from the lead. Probably like sometime in the next three or four weeks, I would say this will actually move that to our entry. We'll see how we can adapt to December. So that'll increase that revenue in question. Percentage there are also, at our expense there are 87%. So we end this year on a good note. I'm going to get in when these stomachs that will have to go get it to that year at the top. The second report that's given to you is a transverse report and the report that was included in your packet was not complete. It didn't have a lot of things. It wasn't single out of the packet counts. So the sheet that Sharon has out before the meeting is our current cash balance as of December 31st. And we'll see right now right out of it. It's $57 million dollars. We just did the tram on January 2nd. So obviously that number went up by another $25 million dollars for the tram. So you'll see that in jade. The third report is just a mistake. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You said the tram was the I'm sorry, come back. You said the trailer's for 11.5 million? Yes. That's fantastic. Yeah. I mean, I think that's a big help. I've been away for a couple years, used to be like 16, 17, a few million. That's right. That's off the U.L. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was, you know, and hopefully we can say Thank you. Next chair. Thank you. And then the third report is just an account schedule. We'll be for budget to actual. So you can really see kind of, you know, whatever is going forward to my stuff. I'm going to have to go to the same thing. And again, if I have any questions, I'm having to try to ask them now or if you want to review them and then send me any questions. And we'll have to answer this. That's for us out. I think I just have one question. So, with regard to the LSA funding, can we get an optimal value for those funds in the bank? Sure. I know you shopped on for other accounts. Well, actually, the community tax delivery development for me does that. So, we shopped around for eight to three times all of the accounts. So, like, the second report that I showed you, the Treasury report, we always want to make sure that we're putting the money in, obviously, in the bank account, or we can get the most of the money. And I have to say lately, we have a lot of banks like who are contacting us, saying that they'll review our accounts. And without even moving the money, they're willing to increase the interest rate. So that's great. It's easy. It's literally a positive meeting that they're willing to give us work. So that's easy. But the LSA is actually being held by the development of the policy. And what they're doing with that money, if they're reinvesting it, because they're really on a lot of expenditures yet. There's a small bill that was paid to that, and it's like in the beginning, when they were doing the analysis of the bridge, and then the robbys were closing costs. But I mean, really, the city malls almost employed on the stock market. So, they put you those in short term treasuries because they don't know when we're going to use money. So, they interest rate that they're earning on them obviously fluctuates based on terms that we're choosing on the treasuries bills. But it's about 5% if you look at it on our court so that is pretty good. And if you look at what they earned, I mean I mean gave you the interest in the other day was to know that we actually got a December interest just this morning, so I added that and said, it's a wrong title all around. And that's the money that we can use. And everyone, you're telling that we can use all of this county. So it's good to use that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mary. All right, next we have a discussion regarding the lease for the flower tent at the Lou Zerent County annex. Thanks for the car. Good evening, Council. This is pretty straightforward. And you believe we enter into a contract with the flower tent company. They've been supporting our space over at the end of the facility. The revenue this year will be $7,180 and will be for the spring in fall rental. So it is a little bit from our rental revenue from last year. We do have some and so here from the $6,000 company. If you have any additional questions that I can create for you. Any questions from council? All right. Thank you. Next we have the discussion regarding the resolution authorized agreement with the Black Water County to produce a long-range transportation plan. Good. We have met, Joe. Good, Mr Matt Jones. Good evening, Council on Matt Jones, Director of Planning and Zoning to the new Council numbers. Congratulations on your opening. Welcome to Council. To now come here to briefly ask you to consider voting at your next meeting in three weeks on February 13th to adopt this draft resolution, providing support for our 25 year long range transportation plan project. This would involve us entering into a 50-50 cost sharing agreement with Lackelana County to produce this report. The plan would be published as a 2026, 2050 long-range plan. The purpose of this plan is that any and all road or bridge projects in Black Illana and Reserve counties in order for them to receive state or federal funding, they need to be listed in this 25-year long-range plan. So this reminds me that back in 2021, which is like yesterday, but seems like an eternity to go to me. We had lists of projects that had been decades in the waiting that we had to compile for that report in 2021 and we had some other wishless items that were in our unfunded but desirable category projects that were way out in the out years that had never mustered support to that day. Two of those projects were the Piston area of bridges and the West Nantvo bridge. In order for those items to have been recognized as higher priorities, subsequently by leadership, they had to at least have been on that plan and identified to be recipients of state federal infusions of money. So we keep track through the decades of what projects bubble to the top, but we're always keeping an eye towards what other ideas for projects are important that we may need to add that we're conceived of before. So we're asking for your support for this project. The total budget would not exceed $170,000. $130,000 of that, excuse me, $140,000. That would go to an outside consultant to help us develop the study. $30,000 would go to our in-house mapping department for their involvement in generating the mapping data and keeping that mapping data in house. An important selling point of this is that 90% of these costs are fully re-reversible from PennDOT and federal agencies. So the entire project would cost $170,000 in the monies that Luc our county with front. Lackawanna would pay us half of that back, 85 grand. Of the 85 grand that we front that we don't get immediately back, we would invoice pen dot, the federal highway and federal transit. They would pay the county back 90% of what we fronted. Lackawanna would then go out to those same state and federal partners and get 90% of their expenses paid back. So, for $170,000 project that you're funding the funds for, roughly $8,000 would be the 10% match that we would front as county tax fair dollars to support the project that we would not see pay back to the county. If we put this $170,000 in the fund, we would not see paid back to the county. If we put this 25-year plan in place, this will ensure that state federal funding will be put towards those roadway and bridge repair priorities over that 25 year period to get running from 2026 to 2050 and in 2023 alone in last year alone over 149 million dollars in state and federal funds were put into road and bridge repair projects in La Guana, Missouri County. And so we're put into road and bridge repair projects in like one of the lizard accounts. And so we're asking you to support this project. 90% of it will be paid back and it will ensure that we remain eligible for literally hundreds of millions of dollars in state and federal road and bridge repair monies for that 25 year period of the future. If you guys have any questions, I'm here to help answer them now or in the coming weeks. And otherwise, everything is prepared for you here and you're back and as a direct. Mr. Jones, I just have one question to previous number that you said, how much money was allocated to Luzark County projects for roads? Was it last year you said how much money was allocated to Lucerne County projects for roads was it last year you said you said it was 125 million. In last year along 149 million, 142 road and bridge projects of state federal money into Lucerne and La Colonna counties and it's usually programmed on roughly equal basis. We impendant in La Col to keep an eye towards that in a sense of egalitarianism and equality. So 75 million dollars. How big of a bill road projects here in Northeast I'm doing it. And John Lamarro won. No, not me. Not Lamarro said. What's going it? Go ahead, Mr. Hoss. What's going it? I think it's no more than those earned money. I'm saying that's a great idea. Are you guys thinking of doing it? Thank you. I thank you, Joe, for coming out. I was appreciate you. So with this, what is it talking about? It's been here. We have a bigger population like one, and maybe we should deal a little bigger lunch here, not to demean the partnership. But I just want to know, I remember doing this a couple years ago, these at 2021 was the last time. Are there any strings attached to this with the federal and state entities? Are they trying to, like, obviously it's a hoop to jump through to release those funds, but I know they're supposed to write lines. Oh wow, I've got them necessarily forward. Against that, I'm just saying. Is there anything that we would be compelled to do with this 25-year plan? We would be compelled to do. It's 25 year plan. No, the selection of the priority projects is run through what we call the MPO, which is this sort of by county group of stakeholders. And there's a voting committee, remote proclam, sits on that committee as the loser County voting member and There's roughly 11 voting members the other representatives include the city Wilkesbury city of Hazleton the mayors and they send their engineers typically to vote on their behalf and to follow these projects and Penn dot has a large presence on that panel they have Representatives from the Dunor office, the satellite office in Dunor, as well as their central office in Harrisburg. So, and then Scranton's involved in Black O'Wanda County has representation as well. So those are the individuals that vote to program the money, utilizing expertise and nuts engineers. So this has been sort of like modus operandi for decades. And we have good representation on those panels. And again, these are critical projects because maybe an idea comes of something that we hadn't realized as a need. Like for a standard book rich, you know, that was brought to us by a state senator your de-check at the time. Like, hey, this is a need, and it's not even on your 25-year plan. So we put it at the back end and said, it's on our wish list. And then we had a few elections and, you know, I'm going to administer your D-check with the Harrisburg to try to find casino money. And so things can change over the years as to what is determined to priority. The local governments had a huge role to play in that in advocating with PennDOT leadership. And we've seen that through our government system here. So the other item of course being a visionary bridge one. And that's gonna be a county state collaboration. And PennDOT's come in and said that they're looking to pay 95% of those expenses. So that went from wish list back into the wish list to fund the Senate. So this council had a large role to play in that. Thank you. Any other questions? Miss Smith, did you have a question? No, it was answered. Okay. All right. Anybody else? Any other questions? Miss Smith, do you have a question? No, I'm going to answer. Okay, all right. Anybody else? All right, thank you, Mr. Jones. Thank you. All right, next up we have a date on the Nanocoke Bridge. I don't know who won, I don't know who will speak first. Go ahead. Let's do your news. Do you know see? What evening council my name is Domakie. It was the end with finish. There's not two other engineers from Venice, here present John Finneck and it goes back and we're going to give a presentation on the West End Hope Bridge. I believe that there's going to be a presentation put up on the screen. Now, you can it alone. I also believe you have to hand out some front of you. There it is. What's that? What's that? Cook Bridge. Otherwise, no one has. This county bridge is number two. The bench was contracted by the Reserve County to preliminary engineering on the bridge. And at this time, we're going to present the alternative analysis that was completed along with costs and all the items that were considered in the analysis. So with that, I would like to turn the presentation over to my John Cunette. So I'd like to start by just thinking of a background and what the existing condition is out there right now. The first slide here is a location that showing some of the surrounding area. The area highlighted in bed, actually, in great itself. A lot of people don't realize how long it is. It carries broad street over the Suspley-Hannah River, and also a large area of floodplain leading up to the Suspelana River. It connects Danny Boat to West Hanukau and on the north side it has room 11 at a key intersection. So the bridge was originally built in 1914, which makes 110 years old this year. And just for reference, bridges currently have a design like 100 years. So this bridge is past its prime. In 1987 was rehabilitated, as I mentioned it is an exceptionally long bridge. It's over 1900 feet long with 24 spans. Now, three of those spans are the long span trusted that every place familiar with. And they extend over this uswana river. 21 of those spans are approach spans that go over the flood lane. They're shorter spans. They're pre-cast concrete. The trusses have been deteriorating more and more rapidly and it's led to continual week hosting reductions and currently it's host at 15 tons and this as it was mentioned previously in public comment impacts emergency response times. Currently it needs to be inspected every six months, and it has priority one repairs identified on the bridge itself. Now, priority one repairs are a repair identified by PENDON, which needs to be acted on within six months. The bridge itself, the trust fans are considered practical, critical, which means that a failure of one of the main connections would lead to a catastrophic bridge failure. And actually Penn-Doth-Woon even allows the design bridges like this anymore. And then finally, it does an area of ADT that average the daily traffic of 6,700 vehicles per day across the road. So the concern would be if one of these future inspections does lead to a closure, those vehicles now have to climb in the way across the road. We have two photos here for reference. The lower right photo shows a crack in the bearing that's priority 100 pair. But actually for more of our concerns are the upper right photo and this is a pin connection which is severely busted. Now that rust is it has a twofold problem associated with it obviously it's deteriorating the steel members but it's also a very very difficult for inspectors to see what's going on in within that connection itself. So there are some unknowns associated with those types of connections. Aside from the structural issues, there are some other issues with the bridge. As you can see in the lower left, the, the current roadway with is 21 feet by the design, current design standards that should be 32 feet, which is 50% increase. The bridge is very narrow. It's a little awkward when you see a box of truck coming at you and you're coming the opposite direction. So they're having crashes on the bridge and then also on both of the approaches. Now in the upper right photo we get run an analysis of a larger vehicle making right hand turn onto Route 11 there and you can see it does need to extend into the oncoming lane Llan, which is not desirable. It's a safety risk, potentially. So with this project, we do have an opportunity to improve on both of those issues. And also on the lower right photo, there's Naria Hashan and Red there. This project, that he was an opportunity to put in a turning lane there, which would have a couple of benefits. We'd be able to improve the swinging radius of larger vehicles. And there is potential industrial development in here. And if that does progress, traffic is going to be increased. And this would allow us to avoid future traffic trends by putting in that turning point at the rule 11 intersection. So, then, according with the campaign, we develop the three general alternatives to investigate within our appropriate analysis report. Number one is the rehabilitation analysis. In this alternative, we'd be rehabilitating the process. On a 21 approach that we mentioned, we'd be replacing the beans to the deck, and then also the above ins and peers, but also the rehabilitation able to take it. Now, bearing this alternative, we would need to be for a traffic around the bridge. Alternative two, we're home, circle, or place that. Now, in this alternative, we would be paving out the process and replacing those three spans, four new spans of a steel bridge. And again, we've been replacing the beams and depth on the 21 approach pans and re-built hitting the piers and the fulges. So that's alternative to alternative three, is the relocation alternative. So here we'd be, this is the easiest to follow. It's a completely new bridge built to the west of the existing bridge. So in alternative three would be able to maintain the existing bridge while you built the new bridge. Alternative two would also need to be the D-tour during this journey. So here's an aerial deal showing a couple of different alignments. The green represents alternative one and alternative two where we're keeping it on alignment. We investigated red and the blue for the replacement alternative. The red was initially looked at at the limit to the impacts of the surrounding areas so we kept as tight as we could to the existing bridge. However, as we went in farther into the investigation, who was preferred for a couple reasons. The bend in the bridge was eliminated, which is where a humanic fence occurred, and then also on the south of the road, which is in the right side of the screen, we were able to east sector it a little bit more, and there were also accidents reported down there. So we were pretty sure that I'm not going to answer this. There was actually a bunch of personalities on that part of the field. We were trying to identify and we think it might be possibly ice at that chart turn there. So the next three slides, I'm going to hopefully give you a visualization when people are trying to start as you can have about a plus or another one here. So the first one is a great illustration. So we're going to get the diagram and we have on the upper left here through the left process, the beginning of the equation, the middle of the left side. And if we followed across each of the lines to end up on the far bottom right, we're around the nanoproves side. So what we'll do on this rehab option is we're not going to change the width of the bridge. We're not going to address the turning. So what we are going to stands, we're going to rehabilitate it. And we've replaced all the members that are deteriorated. Attempt to fix those pink matches. Those pink matches are an issue. There's a pretty good chance we're going to have to replace them with some of the typing connections just because of that. The inspection issues, et cetera. The issue with this rehabilitation option is the unknowns. And very designed as a best in travel term, and what's wrong with it, you can bear on inspections. But ultimately these are in construction, generally, to a lot more unknowns. You have to throw a little more contingency in your estimates and bidding documents to account for that. So that's just one of the risks on that. The remaining stands that are the pre-stressed concrete, we've just replaced the deck and the beams and we just re-build the surface. Alright, so alternative to the partial replacement. Here you can see them that are not important. The trust is now gone and in the place of the retrusted, we now have four spans of steel being bridged. And what that requires is four piers in the river now. Now you're going from three piers to four piers, which means blocking more of the river. And the effect of that would be that flooding would be worse in the area. So to counteract that, on the middle row of here, you can see there's a change. And the changes that we took out two piers. Now, two of the smaller piers, and two of the approximate, one of the larger piers, in terms of obstruction for the public area. So as a result, we actually improved the flooding slightly in this area with alternative two. Alternative two does give us the opportunity to widen the bridge and put in the, the turn like that was previously discussed. Finally, alternative three is the relocation. We need both the west of these different states. It appears on the piers, their space now more evenly, be more efficient. And this would also be a pre-christiastronically-beams, which is more economical at those fan lengths. Again, we'd be able to widen the bridge and provide an attorney-linked module group of letters. So as we delve into this alternative's analysis, we identify many considerations that are going to be critical to be considered when evaluating each of the own kernels against each other. Nevertheless, it here, and some of the most critical ones we've all did here, as we've done into the report, we found that structural design is very critical. There's an historical and the public use component that turned out to be pretty critical. Trapping safety is always above most importance. And everybody knows that the cost of the schedule is very important, though. And as we progressed through and looked at each of those, with respect to each alternative, we found that alternative two, which is the replacement of the process, the steel beam bridge. On alignment, we found that to be more recommended alternative. And for a few reasons that we have listed here, it's the place to return the bridge to service when we look at the construction schedule. We had the opportunity to buy the structure and provide the turning lane, which would address future development in the area and help attract the future. Also long term maintenance when compared to the trusses, having the trusses on the county's book is the liability of future maintenance and a lot more inspection. And it's more, it's a lot of the unknowns that it's spoken about. Yes. Does that curve in the bridge get fixed at all with this? The curve in the bridge would remain the whole term, though, too. So it would be wider, so it would be wider. It would be wider, and we'll have to proper site distance, et cetera. So from a design criteria, it's going to be a week for design criteria. I think the cost now is just so narrow when you get that sort of, that's the issue. So why do we add out much of the choices? No, go ahead. I'll continue to start. And then the final table that everybody's interested in is the cost and the construction duration. I'll have the two. One is deeply dollars cheaper than either the other or the other. And about half a year, after the construction. Now those dollar amounts are in 2022 costs, where future inflation would impact that. So if we did comply with the high-winter bill or budget cut, everything pretty short. Here's the summation. We took each alternative and we assigned it a low moderate or severe ranking. With respect to each of those components that we discussed in the previous slide. And to touch on some of the more critical, that we discussed in the previous slide. And it touched on some of the more critical ones that we have highlighted here. Structural analysis, the structure itself, and alternative one, that's where the trust remains. It's not ideal, and it's a liability. Historical. Alternative two, this is alternative two is only severe ranging. Alternative three also is the severe ranging. It's because we're removing the trusses which have been identified as historically significant. Now, that's not a showstopper. Typically something that we do do a comedy that just historical was would be something like a historical marker. Or maybe a report just documenting that we're historical significance of the bridge, something like a historical marker, or maybe a report just documenting that was historical significance of the bridge. Something like that. Traffic and safety, alternative one has the most severe because we're not only being in any of those concerns that we have with the crashes on the bridge. I'll turn it to a perceived moderate because we are keeping the curve, but it's not as much of a concern. And then, asking construction schedule, both well for alternative to because it's the cheapest on the fastest. So when we compile everything, we gave the overall rating at the very bottom and I'll turn it one, receive Margaret, I'll turn it two as well, and I'll turn it three once a year. And that's basically what we faced our record date. So I'm hoping that you did fly this, the trusses with our drill, and we have a little video here that we were hoping to play. Let's see if there it is. And we'll play this, we have yeah, it's not retuning to ask, answer any of your questions, anyway. It's fine. All right, we'll get a line to play. Go first. So with alternative two, you will be widening the bridge to that 32 foot length, or with correct. And then how will the replacement and rehabilitation of the peers work with that widened, that widened with that very good question? We would have a detail where we would be, so the pair being a concrete, it's a concrete role, concrete role. Sometimes you see that hammerhead peers where they extend and they widen the top of the pier. We widen the top of the pier to accommodate extra bean lines and it allows the wind to widen the deck. And as part of our plow barrier design, we're already looking to... We're actually with the bridge fiber with most of our reducing the volume on most of your stuff. And the loading of your step is pretty good. on this. And I don't know how conditioned we look to be inspection before we can re-adilitate those mass conductors and appears themselves are in decent shape. Most of the signs of settlement, they're passed here based on the inspection reports. There's no indication of any issues. Okay. Thank you. Let's tell a scavenger. So, as the once famous choral being has said, I'm true. So I'm just going to go right to the point. On December 8, Hazelton, was Hazelton came back for $675,000 on the bridge you guys did. Okay. for $675,000 on the bridge you guys did. Okay, that was a 34% increase on that bridge. As a county person sitting here on these dollar amounts, I would want this nailed down on your recommendation and not to exceed, because what I didn't like in your talk was where you said, unforeseen things. I don't want to see you guys come back and say hey you know what? There's 20 items we missed. We're paying you this money for your professional opinion and you should know this inside of now. And that's that's what worries me. You know myself and Mr. Thornton were involved in $9.00 million project in what fits them for sores. We had to do some change orders because there might have been of subsidence, things that you can't proceed. But simple things like I forgot laterals or things of that nature. No, I'm sorry, there's 15 houses on the street, 80, 15 laterals, it's real simple. So they're the kind of things that become annoying. And all I'll ask is whoever bills this bridge, we are not gonna look at change orders, like, they gotta be legit. There's gonna be a percentage cap because the fight did the math on this bridge that you're proposing 30 39 million and you were off by 34% that puts that bridge of 52 million. So those mistakes cannot be made and I know that smaller bridge what concerns me if that mistake was made on that smaller bridge, I know it was a butman, but we talked about this in our council meeting. If you go to replace a bridge and you know this abutments fan and that bridges 75 years old, what would make you think the other one wasn't deteriorated? You know, it worries me sitting here and we're the purchasing of the county So I don't want to prove a $39 million region come back and say, you know what this will be missed if I ten million That's not going to sit well That's that's my awardees with this project Mr. Hossin Jim and So We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We would bring, you know, with all three, we'd be returning into being a low standard, the only thing I guess with alternative one is to trust, trust, re-invitation. We should be determined, because obviously we have no good to design on that. You have to get a lot further into that period than the term mentioned. But particularly we strive our best to get those out from slabs and to restore two land free and we restore it fully. And what's the pattern with the lift now? Just anyone will start out with that. We increase it with the lift to 30 to 30. Hey, I'm actually sure. Yes, correct. And out. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. and how that showed up after the fact. On number two, I know you said, you'd have to widen some of those peers. Are they gonna be all-right in peers? And I'm not an engineer, so I don't know what the abundance have to do with those peers. But is that going to all new? We would be widening the abundance. That's an ideal flow sense of the bridge. And then the peers would be re-illitating climbing the deteriorated concrete, patching that, but at the top of the pier we have to basically recap the top of the pier. So some of that is existing? Is there a life span? Then they could just repair it. I would put it in the middle. contract would probably be 50 or 75, if I had the arrange. I think you're going to be, you will have to put, you're going to have to be more rehabilitation to those peers say, 34 years old. It's going to be passed out. So then it's, you're pretty much going to be at, how much money is better, just, with the third option option that's all very important. That's all very important. So we can be looking at 30, 40 years down the road doing another company year. Yeah, you're right. There's definitely potential for that one where you're doing the partial. If you get into the exact dollars that I can guess you can hold it down. There's definitely potential. to get into the exact dollars I can guess if I told you it down. You're definitely going to get that. It's worth. God bless you. Building on foot, there's a big government in the Stirlis Gavitch who votes for both the prize of the Pudding Sprit. I understand it's interesting to ask. Can you tell us what the prize is? My beater? But you did speak about the current British having structural efficiencies that would be more than equal to inspect and I think you said the engineers would know what's in there. Just be more of the possible surprises. Does that make sense? I thought so. It should fall to our end of one. The alternative one is the one that we feel is the most in prices. Sure, most prices, but how about I'll try to do? I'll try to find the things we do. I would think you know the Z-Agees. Well, they're designing, we look it out there initially. So our initial work would be going to we even sound all of those periods just a verified interior issue. And most of that, it's going to be separate official. Because you're not seeing it. If the inspection report revealed numerous vertical cracks, if there's movement, there's changes in sound, then you have an issue. And then it's like, we can't reuse them. You know, we don't want to play now. We don't reuse them. You know, we don't want to play no. We don't anymore. But you're not seeing any of that. You're seeing something, of course, called F-florescence, which is the white stuff, which is the one that I'm not. And it's easy to find the one that I think, particularly you can, you know, sound those, which is tap on the hammer, you'll hear that it's hot. And those are the batteries and that's where the dilamation is occurring on the surface of the concrete. You'll remove that, put the water fabric around it, and either gun eye or just the gun eye to spray concrete with the machine on, but basically it'll be capsulate the whole thing. The thing is those are just so massive, it's mass concrete, I think those pears are up to people by a lot of time. So when you deal with mass concrete like that, the deterioration took place in the curve. So we can feel comfortable in that recommendation based on an information. If these were a lesser size, we probably could have different opinion. Now the one thing to notice the improvement on the SR on the other side will be replaced. We'll turn it through so you're putting new upon it, I guess, the number of what several appears through the assessment handler and which those are a large appears, those are the appears that you can serve for some of the overall. And then there's a couple of peers and in fun way that also get replaced. and then there's a couple of years and in fun with it also, we have the last two. And the name. So the lifespan of the brand new one will be 100 years. But then that's, you're going to have some maintenance, and you will have, you're going to have to do so much. Do things that people work on? I know people have to be so right. But she's only about 100 years. But can you give us an idea of, grant was the different question. How long do we need it so we have to really have alternate suits? The superstructure. I think it's going to, you're still going to have to have a hundred years. Yeah, on the superstructure. The superstructure's like stadiums, the deck. No, I know, I know. Everything on top, but just those peers. Yeah. And on your thoughts on your math, I'm thinking in the four years, 50 years range, just I think it's going to be a little fast congregator. I still think what the issue is going to be is maybe some of that congregator is going to start separating it. It just depends. If you can keep the water from the deck from getting down on top of that, it's fine. So that comes back to the main inside of that. You know, we minimize the decks, the joints in the deck to prevent water from getting down there. We put in what are called scuppers to collect the water and we pipe it down. If the scuppers are blocked or the pipes are broken off or if they're not maintained, that does allow water on those spheres. Those spheres don't deteriorate quickly. So if you, they can go to lots of them, and if you continue to have water, salt, around it, constantly, and you will be in it. That's forced to be. You know what? I think normally, you know, I'm bored in the future. I do want to hear more states here. I want to know that. Yeah. Stevenson. I do want to hear more space here. I want to know that. Mr. Stevenson. So earlier in your presentation you said that alternative two would have, we would be combating extra flooding, would be increased flooding due to the, the peer going from three to four. How do we combat that with that project? And what does that look like for alternative three as well. So alternative two we did put the additional pier into the river and you removed two of the approach man ears to balance that. So as an end result we provided more, they called hydraulic opening for the water to pass through and it resulted in lower plugging when we ran our analysis. We're all turning it to fifth. I'll turn to three, we also be able to improve the flooding in the area. Now, alternative three is where the existing grid would be in place, as well, we've constructed an grid. And during that time, we will be blocking everything that the existing group is blocking, plus everything that the proposed group is blocking until we take down that existing bridge. So there will be a temporary condition where we will be blocking more of the stream. And that's kind of why we, and I don't know why, we've seen that, now we've seen the moderate rating. This is a temporary impact, but the final product in three is an improvement in funding. It de-exit compared to the existing conditions. Has this two? Two is also an improvement. Yes. Thank you. Mr. Garton. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Regarding the peers, and this might help answer your, and the question that is this and this is the government ad. The peers that are there now just appear to be regional peers that were in the river 110 years ago. Yes. It wasn't a river in the original. The original. And they're pretty structurally, they're not compromised right. They're making some scour issues on them. Yeah, some abrasion. No settle, they go. There is more crackingour issues on them. Yeah, some abrasion. No cello we go. There is more cracking and stuff than them. Right. But the original, the original peers, and they held up pretty well. It's interesting because those peers are almost identical to the ones up river crossing pitch that was pitched in. That bridge was almost identical to the previous talking about here. The peers there in the river, we're put in in 1914 or 1960, I think it was, and they're in fantastic shape now. And just to answer your questions, how long will they last in the future? Well, the pier is under that bridge, which are similar to the disparate pierers. They were original from 1873. Before the bridge of West Pigeon was built in 1914. They left those piers there, and that were the original from 1873, but after Civil War, when they built a wooded bridge across the river, and then in 1914, they took that wooded bridge down, left the pier's where they are. And so we're still using the same pier for 150 years and they are still in really good shape. So I don't know if that helps these questions here, but they way overgoal pier's back there to know that they're still in the south. They just overbuilt and filled. Yeah, I knew. I was just worried if they were in original pier's or if they were putting a river in like 50 years ago or not but they probably weren't correct yeah they were the original peers but my second question is a finance question and maybe this result can answer this I don't know we canceled over a year ago voted here to authorize the redevelopment of Dardi to borrow I think it was 59 or both 50s something like that 55 okay so if council considered up of the period three here which is 64 where are we thinking and this question might be for Mr. Roosevelt where are we thinking of getting that other 9 million? We have a little talk about where we're Where are we thinking, and this question might be for Mr. Roosevelt, where are we thinking of getting that other $9 billion? We have a little talk about where we're thinking of the economy. That's money we don't have. So we can say, yeah, that's a great alternative, plus build it, but then we don't have the money to pay for it. Okay. Correct. At this point, we don't have the funds. We would have to make up that difference. at this point, at this point, we don't have the funds. We would have to make up that difference. So there's no, right now there's no state help with this and all state financial help. No, we didn't look into that. We wanted to present the different alternatives to council. The council wants to re-go the bridge. We will go out and find more money, save money, federal money, whatever we would need to do. But right now, we would have to be done and have the money. Because I thank you for the difference. I recall last year the federal government in the wake of COVID, tasked a number of major post-COVID bills. One of them was the infrastructure bill for the infrastructure. And there was hundreds of millions of dollars flowing into Pennsylvania from the fence for high-weight bridges. So that might be a great source to consider. Because I would never be in favor of borrowing additional money at this point. Council has done a great job for 12 years. I have no credit to that. I'm over here two years. But Council, that's not borrowed more money and that's all they're paying down all that massive debt. Just for your information, the Michelle Sparage, who does her grants, who's extraordinary at what she does, just to me, there is the improvement program that may be opened to a federal program, and she believes that the applications are doing much, and we will review that as an option. Thank you. Mr. Host, I think Mr. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Hosta, Mr. Centino. Thanks Mr. Chair. You know what I mean, speaking to that remote, we had some stakeholders here tonight and seemed like they were more in touch than the replace option. And perhaps if they want to go beat the bushes from on student-missgrowth, Moan and Council. They got all the same money available. There's a council of governments that want to get involved in that, but that's still a pretty happy list. Like $20 million more. I mean, pretty much the recommendation of the designers. Yeah, they're there. There are alternatives. They're all alternatives and they're all options and Yeah, we won't spoil them. Yeah, but this is gonna be my mantra We're gonna apply for whatever grant that we can possibly apply for One year we're gonna reapply the next year We are we're going to be very aggressive and we don't want to leave any money on the table And if we can collaborate with municipalities to make a project even better, we'll be a part of that. We will look into it, and we will let you know the alternatives for funding, and then you can make the decision to include that in your decision as well. Mr. Subtinent. And as to just one more thing, and as change orders, we send the memo out an email out to all the division's parking heads. There are no change orders going forward without any of review from the county manager, from myself and whatever department that is asking for the change orders, we're putting it into that and we're revamping re-gaming the contracts, the office of laws, updating the contracts to effectuate that. Mr. Septiyan, we appreciate that manager for a month. With regards to federal grants, it's our change design branches. Do we have to go through a different standard based on federal pipeline investment? The design standards can being the same, but the process will be a little bit easier. There's different boxes that need to be chosen as additional, additional costs. Again, time. I think it's good. As the project gets delayed, getting approvals every year. It increases by a few percent based on materials and labor. And the time frame of the federal money, as you know, we've got studies on the Princeton bridges. That's how long we can take to study this bridge I use in the federal process. Any other questions? Anybody else? On council? No. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Number you very much. Thank you. All right. Number five, discussion regarding resolution urging the Pennsylvania Public Utility Commission to deny the rate increase proposed by the Pennsylvania Maritime Water Company. This resolution was drafted by Mr. Hoss. Yeah. Thank you, Sheriff. It's been very last picture of back of everybody. So the gist of it is that the Pennsylvania American Water Company runs the water business, but it has to be approved by the Pennsylvania utility commission to be used. And they have to ask for a rate increase. They just asked for one in December of 2022, and they came right and asked for another one. Cost has gone up for every American household, 2020, 5% inflation. I thought it was pretty egregious, and the reason behind it was, I didn't really pass the monster with me. So I was thinking about this, and then I saw that actually the representatives to the North of this lack of one actually had, like a mobilization to get the regular citizens to go out and just say, hey, we wanna fight this, we need to get this long citizens to go out and just say, hey, we want to fight this. We've been in this vlog and they encourage people to file with the PUC. So I actually did that as a citizen, but I thought perhaps people who are going to take something like that on. I don't know if it's moved at this point because the PUC voted 5-0 to postpone this until August, but nonetheless, I mean, just for the record, it's, I think it's a slam dunk resolution. I don't think anybody wants to see their rates get hyped up by 25%. So with your consideration, like the Baselim voting session, and obviously for what I mean, to broke them up, things about it. You know, if it's appropriate or, um, I wouldn't, but that's it. Thank you very much for your work on this. Any other questions? Alright, nothing further. We'll have public comment. Anybody in the audience? We have one member on the Zoom. Mr. Rayboh. Thank you Mr. Jim and Mr. Bob Rayboh for being here. To think about what Councilman was telling us this, I already really did want to be in order. And I'm glad to hear that manager Gokomo is implementing a policy change with regards to being ordered, being reviewed. That is great news. And I'm updating kind of the West Trans Plier that some of the Council members would remember was a pretty good move. And with the transplant. So the council members would remember what the credit goes and what the funding issues have to present. Many change orders and nothing to point those change orders or quantifies the management, I will not go change orders when they were there. So there's not to also what's the vice care that's been running for the medical fridge to if an I-90 dollar or 8, that would be needed for a whole replacement. I just take to the County manager and to remember the helpful of you all the next Mr. Careman about the rate race from the Federal Reserve one, which was under the red zone intensive structure, which was the state of Illinois and that was the secondary Red Bull, which was also known as race. So if the members of the Atlantic Ocean, the local county can all get it to college once in whole replacement, then I would suggest them to contact the county manager and yourself to all of you that come in one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings that come in one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings that come in one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings, one of the old buildings, for a whole replacement. That way, we'll free up for the other minutes of housing, that any county roads can certainly be constructed. So I hope to not make a care that you can get the leaders to roll with the rest of the council. We get that sounded rule for a whole replacement. And that is all and I'll thank you very much for having me. Thank you, Mr. Raybo. Anybody else for public comment? Motion adjourned. Motion. Second. Second. All in favor?