Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Do I hear a motion to adopt the previous meetings or adopt the agenda? Which is what I'll do the meeting with a minute to a minute. Questions about the agenda? All right. I have a motion to adopt the meeting minutes from the previous meeting. I'm calling. At least one point about the meeting is minutes. Okay. The first is, in terms of use of acronyms, I don't remember, I resent the meeting. I don't remember, oh, yes, yes, yes, it's not spelled out a little straight. So we did, oh, nicely schooled. Okay, thank you. You know, full vote was spelled out for those of us that don't have good memories of the first time in the course of 72 years old. We moved the step into a walker. Appreciate it. Grotch already have a helmet. And in terms of the brush, multi-modal project, and you clarifying this image, what that is? Where was that under the committee round two? Well, there was a discussion I had to do with the crossing. Yes. We'll turn it up, the crossing there, did Brond? Yes, are we talking about not the Hawks' line, but the broad by Quattis? That's what you brought up, right? But I thought, in the minute it's associated with the multi-moral project and I just don't quite know what exactly is the mole. I mean, I'm all in favor of you. I think as we discussed the need for northern cities, there's no light to have across the station, to have across walk, so that's probably really kind of a plan. Okay, well, let's go to Brad Street Multimobile Project, so it's looking at the signals on Brad Street. And is that a thing? The Multimobile Project, so it's encapsulated, there's some documentation about it. So the plansoral project. So encapsulated there's some documentation about it. The plans are online. If you look at our city website you can find my information. And beyond any questions about it I'm asked for the monthly project manager. Is it our project or is it PTOB project? The city's project. Yeah I'd like to know more about it. Is that the only more of it? I think that's an important. So again, in terms of things like this in the minutes, I think we'll be helpful. If you have a reference or a link to it or something or something like that. Sure. Again, it's also an easy search on the website too. I'm going to say. Yeah. Okay. So I'm wondering if you can do that. Do you revise to include those two items? Is it spelling out a OSCS? And I'll link to that. Multimolar project. Webs website or whatever there is. Okay. You can get that. Okay. All right. So do we have a motion to adopt the minutes with those two changes? I move. I move. I should. Hi. We need to say all same things. All right. All better. All right. All right. All right. So now we have city council planning commission reports. Um. planning commission reports. Why everyone? Yeah, everyone. We got the legislative agenda later in the meeting. So maybe we were hoping that we could discuss while you were on the call. I don't know whether you're staying until the end. Probably not. I'm out of town on business. So I think the big thing is that we're finalizing our legislative agenda and considering the importance of all funds transportation might be helpful to get your input. We're therefore specifically solicited it. A couple of things are already in our program, electronic enforcement, metro funding, things like that. So if there are more specific issues which you all would like in the legislative agenda, please discuss them and forward them and I'll advocate that they be included in our legislative program. If you need to do more work, don't assume this is only one opportunity, but we are sort of finalizing our preliminary legislative program. So anything that you all want to present would be very helpful. Just going over a couple things very quickly, the bus rapid transit proposal is continuing now with a focus from seven corners to Alexandria and we're continues through NVTC on that. And I think the big regional issue continues to be Metro funding which may be more of a challenge if a part of that's going to need to be federal funding. So that's kind of what I had tonight. Oh, and Stuart has brought to me several questions regarding the EV chargers up on the new development on the West end and and Stu, I've talked to the city manager about that. And hopefully that'll get some more of a response to you on that. So those are the things that I had. Does anybody have anything else, anything for me? I think my only question is how the election if you think how that affects Richmond and all these other broader things or we just don't know yet. Well, we don't know yet. It's the transit, the public transportation systems around the country are running deficits and ours, Metro is certainly in that group. It's gonna be kind of challenging for Richmond and the localities in northern Virginia to totally make up our share, but if it has to be done, we're going to have to do it. We have a strong congressional support, but if you assume Republican Congress, then all of our local representatives would be in the minority. So anyway, but too early to speculate, but it could be tough getting federal dollars in the future. Tough firm. Do they have anything else to do with it? I think that's it. We're working on the course of the bus, the bike master plan. And you all have commented on that and additional comments, you know, whenever it would be helpful, likewise, on the sidewalks and the other transportation priorities. So keep advocating those things and I think you'll find a pretty receptive counsel. So, and thanks again for all your work. So let me just, one thing first, I'll appreciate that your work on EVs. Can you give more? Can you expand some on the timeframe for the legislative agenda? I mean, Thomas Wind is, Wind is the legislature going to session and what's the mechanisms of means by which the city has its priorities conveyed to the legislators? Yeah, so we have a draft and it's going to be considered. I don't think next week I think the following week potentially so this is a really good chance to get. Your thoughts in and it it does two things if it's something we can have our representative representatives propose that's one thing but it also gives us the authority to advocate and support of legislation consistent with that legislative program proposed by other members of the General Assembly. So it works two ways. It works to help us inform our General Assembly members. Either they propose bills or they hopefully look at our priorities as they're engaging with their colleagues. It also gives us the ability to advocate as hearings come up in the winter and to otherwise advocate for legislation that not only is sponsored by our representatives but maybe sponsored by others. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Andrea. Nothing from me. Sorry. Good to see you. So happy you came in. Sorry. I'm just. All right. I don't think we have any. Are you kidding? Sorry, I'm just in case. All right. I don't think we have any. We also have to be interested in the design. Oh, that's right. You've got one public comment. I'm not sure if. Public comment. Well, hold on. Yeah, you know, Tristan first. Do I hear a motion to allow Tristan to participate remotely? Almost a minute. All second. All right. All right. All right. OK. Apparently we have to do that. So I see we have Andrew on is can you hear for public comment? Yes, can you hear me okay? Little little little low in the body. Man, they switch. I switched. Did you miss your. I know we've been in videos, kind of choppy so. Okay, that better. Oh my god. Yes. Well, Jennifer, raising a lot. Now we're really here. All right, that's allowed. Well, thank you for having me. For those of you I don't know. I was on CACTI. I joined when. Jess and art started and left about nine months ago. So I very much appreciate you all coming and sitting in the room and having all these discussions. I want to just comment quickly on three things in your agenda that are sort of near and dear to me. One is the Paving Menu, Memo, and just thank you for doing that. As I've looked into the same topic and I talked to John a bit about this, other cities in Virginia have run into the same problem of underfunding the repaving program and it's cost the millions of dollars to dig out from our method and we are exactly in the same place that Arlington and Richmond and other jurisdictions were. I don't think public works has really explained that to council and at least from my recent chat with the mayor, I'm not sure that council really understands the issue because I think they've been informed fully about it. So thank you for doing it. I'm really concerned because I plan on living here for the next 40 years and I'm going to pay more for those roads if we don't fix them now. So it's a bit personal too. So that's the roads, thank you. So that you're sending it in. On number two on the dashboard, as many of you know, I put it together last year, happy to help over the course of the next month or two, just reach out and we can tag team it, device sections, I can give you advice, whatever, but also near and dear to my heart, because I think if we can't track this stuff, then it's all just fun stories. So thank you for that too. And then I love the thing that's in there now about clarifying pedestrian and bicycle laws, but it's not clear what we're asked them to clarify. It's sort of like make it better and safer, but what exactly we want out of Richmond is not clear in that. So I would hope we can be more specific. And it's particularly challenging in that one of the, on the bicycle side, one of the trickiest bits is, is our local laws don't align with Virginia state law. And so that just adds the legal confusion about traffic control for bicycles in the city. So I'd also suggest we look at, you know, bringing our local laws in accordance with Virginia law first and then we can advocate for Virginia to change, to change all of their laws. So that's on the sort of the fence already there. So I think we can be sharper about what we want. And then what's not in the packet and I really believe should be in the packet is advocating with Richmond for the safety stop for bicycles. That was discussed. It's been a discussion of Richmond couple times. Has it made it through yet? I think it was eight states have passed it in the past five years. Idaho and Delaware have had it for a very long time. And it basically lets bicycles treat stop signs as yield signs when there's no other cars or pedestrians around. There's a lot of data out there that suggests it saves lives and makes traffic flow faster and smoother and more predictable. I've yet to see a downside of it in any other than it can be poorly rolled out like anything can, but as long as you roll it out properly and thoughtfully craft the law, I've yet to see any real downside and I've read about this quite a bit. So I would encourage you to discuss that as well. It will make biking in the city safer for our kids, for seniors growing up, spiking around and it will just make traffic flow more predictable for everyone. So I hope we can put that in our agenda as other jurisdictions in Virginia have. Thank you. Mr. Chair, like Dave Snyder, I just want to respond to that. I think a lot more work needs to be done on that because I think that will further create dangerous situations that stop signs and we already know we have dangerous situations. I hope that we will study that more rather than propose it definitely at this point. Anyway, thanks a lot. Right. They've saved more people. Heard and there is good day and other jurisdictions that say it saves lives. I'm going to miss it. Andrew, this is public comments. Jenna, can we? I received his comments. Can we forward that to the rest of CACT? I think you were on it. I don't think the rest of the committee was. Andrew had some good points there. And I think not just to us. So we sent a bunch of people including police chief. So I think I'll end up in front of the City Council as public comment as well. I have a question, a quick question from you. Yes. Andrew, did you include in your email, um, um, like links to some some of the data in the studies that you've reviewed? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. That didn't go to all numbers of the. That's what I was asking. All right. Do we have any other public comments? Please say. Okay. Then let's move on to the DPW update. I noticed that the rapid response. SOP was, it's not was removed from the agenda. And I have to say I was very disappointed by that. Because. I don't know how many time how many times have we pushed it out now? The Ovation can speak to us, but the news I receive is that operations still hasn't been reviewed normally yet and Tara has been occupying items as well. So I hope that's the reason you brought to CHC2 and it's completed. Or we're going to draft. to see the students. Or in a draft completed. We'll recover that. It's just it's been a while. Okay so now let's go to Hayden. Can you see my screen? Yes. Thank you. Yeah, that SOP is still on. Tara's review. So we've been quite busy these past several months. But we will get to it and I apologize it for any inconvenience. So I have an update here. The four items here, they just move on to the first item, Lincoln and Yucatan Prasek. Lincoln and Yucatan design was finalized in compliance with the sideline study. the scope of work includes moving the stopper. So it's moving the stopper forward on Euketans Street. and extending the minimum parking restriction drawn by 40 feet along Lincoln Avenue and extending the curves with flexible post installations and adding an additional road sign along the Lincoln Avenue. Our rapid response crew implemented the walk on site right before the election date. And this is how the portal was taken after what was done. That's my first update here. Yeah, as people haven't seen it, it immediately was used for leave collection. Somebody called her leaves inside the Mary North area. We're pepperic, actually. I have a question about it though. What is the standard we have as far as how many Lexi posts and where they are relative to the line? Because the first impression I got was, it's a lot of flexing posts. Yeah, the city normally use the flex post, it's spacing around four feet. And that's what a CDU's. Maybe that's why I mean it looks many, but it prevents vehicles to come in. Yeah. I don't know. Just I could be off, but just seemed like a lot. The other question was, what is our policy about where it is on the line? Because I know sometimes within DC, it's inside the line, other places it's on the line. These are right on the line. I actually like the fact that it's causing, it's actually causing some traffic calming because you've got the posts on one side and then immediately you've got the island in the middle. It is causing some traffic to the pay attention. Yes, that's the intent. So when we design it, the intent was to try to have a tight lane here by creating like a wall with a flex post so drivers can catch and they will be driving cautiously here, I mean hoping so. So it's kind of this this curve was actually extended. The previous curve line was in the behind here, but it was removed and extended out. So that is correct. Yeah, that's intended to have drivers, when they drive it, we tried to create like a wall. It's not the physical wall, but wall of flex post. Okay. Is that a whole section also resigned for 20 miles an hour. No, Lincoln is 25 miles an hour. It's 25. Yeah, so you can't even get signs up at all. I don't know, but you can, isn't, doesn't really have a traffic problem. No. It was because of the sidelines. You can hand doesn't go anywhere. It doesn't have a route. Exactly. Yeah. So I don't think there was anything changing the speed limit signs or anything like that. It's mainly the barking. Because when you come out, it's hard to see to the left. Yes. That was the compound. Just a full screen option. The excuse me issues again, he was asking for a whole update for teams. Someone who just computer has it yet, so I had to do the web instead and I can't. I try, I can't make any video. I'll do it. So move on. Yeah, next one is South Roosevelt Street pull depth repair project. With limited funds, we started the patching program, focusing on streets with a severe alligator or called fatigue cracking, indicating inadequate structure support. We identified south-roose-based street between Broad and Hillwood Avenue, targeting approximately 210 feet along the southbound lane for the repair. So this is south Roosevelt Street. The full depth patchwork consists of two inch the Esparic concrete surface layer and a four inch Esparic concrete base layer and a six inch of granular materials which will rest on the natural subgrade. Our rapid response crew will handle the installation of the double yellow line for this project. A approximately 12 inches were excavated over the repair section. After a pre-roaring test, 21A aggregates was placed on the natural subgrade and compacted to a 16 inch depth. This slide shows the photos taken after the construction, the temporary markers have been installed temporarily until the double yellow line is painted by the rapid response crew. The city maintains 84 total name miles of streets and streets with PCI below 40 are categorized as very poor, serious and failed. And PCI is calculated based on observed street distresses. Our current priority is to repay 11.8 lmiles in very poor and worse conditions. This slide shows a breakdown of the three city blocks with the lowest PCI ratings, categorizing them as very poor and serious pavement conditions. This is my second item update. If you do not have any questions, I have a question, when you say this is your plan, what is the time frame where you are planning this over 25 for? How do you think I can do those about the mob? Yeah, so our annual pay being is really depending on the budget we gain. Normally, annually, we cannot accelerate this repaving. But you still not speaking about the timeframe is here. So you're assuming these 11 miles at the normal two point something. We're in debt, four to five years. Four to five years, probably with the current funding conditions. Can we table that discussion to the U letter to council about this very subject? Because yeah, it's an adquine. Their fun is an output. So next one is hawk signal project. High intensity activated crosswalk or HARC signals. According to the project manager, the contractor has completed installing signal poles, Mest arms and equipment at all three sites with the brick cross was finished at Oak Street. However, recent rainfall caused shifting of the bricks requiring the contractor to identify the cause and plan repairs. I think that they both look great, because that is the great question. The bricks, if you go on the crosswalk, you're down my noticeably thought. You know, I don't know why they're testing real bricks on the broad street. This is why they're not using bricks on anything new designs. Yeah. This may actually, I think this might be the last project that's going to use bricks. So, so those are three you then are completed or they in process? Well, they have concept of the material or not in progress. So hey, well, there, well, the repairs of bricks is important. Does that need to be repaired prior to the lights being turned on? Or can they be turned on and then have the crosswalk bricks repaired? It would be possible. So before turning on the light, those bricks has to be repaired. And after turning on the lights, we still have a one year guarantees of monitoring it. But the actual opening of this light is scheduled January next year. I have a question about the North Oak. And I actually, it's a comment on a question. So if you look at your photo, you're looking, that's taken looking toward the west. If you're approaching that hog signal coming from the west, coming from Riteon going towards seven corners, that hog signal is almost entirely blocked by that tree that you can see almost entirely into a you are at the hog signal and by that point you've hit a pedestrian. You're talking about hog signal on the ground on the desk. You're talking about hot signal on the, uh, I look around on the right. You're not talking about one in the air. So I actually, I actually like, so that was my question. Are they going to cut that tree? I love trees, but down. They've already trimmed a lot. I mean, I have a picture of you walking. When when we're there. When last week. Okay. I'm standing in the street. Well then you'll do it. Hi, Jen, is that something you guys are looking at? Like you're checking that the trees and what not don't need to be cut back for the site before this goes active? I think I cut those from that though. OK, and what they did before last Thursday. Yeah. Yeah, so I will bring that to the project manager. So. Maybe you have the arborist take a look at it. So that's first number one. It's hot number one. And it's actually it's that tree in the picture, which is helpful. The one in your picture. It still has the green leaves. But it's even there's a very big branch that juts out into Broad Street. So even without leads, which obviously is still a problem, but even without leads, it's still a major sight line issue. I think that branch has is a high issue too. You get a big trap that shouldn't be on there. It's going to almost looks like it's low enough that you get get hit. Sounds like maybe the uppers need to look at that branch on the tree. And I have to go just in general. Do you know if a gym has some of the foliage been cut back? I mean, we'll take a look at it. It's possible to streaming. But our first to talk to our pricing manager. Thank you. Good. I ask a question since we're talking about Hawk about any maintenance progress at the same time these three are going in maintenance of others existing Hawks because there's one that got cream on North, home and Lincoln, no, and Western. And it's been out of commission for a year. Is that being taken care of at the same time these one, two, and three are being built? These are different projects. I know that, but it is about... And it's not hawk, right? It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. It's a beacon. Red, flashing red. What's the, okay, so I'll later, but then I'll ask the question later about what the name and the type of that is in the reader answer that. I thought it was all, they were all called clock. My fault. Just good if you don't come off. No, that's it. Is that the one by who? Oh, are you talking about it? West it open west. Okay. It's been gone for a year. And that's bad. That's school. Yes, that's that's the school crossing. And that's the racetrack. Yeah. Right there. school crossing and that's the racetrack. Yeah right there both those streets are racetracks going up to the school and back down. And it's in gone. So I'll address that with you later. One of his one of his things where everybody thought someone else had reported it. I'm seeing about 20 emails, but. So I'll move on to the next item. Next item is West and Park intersection project. So West and Park intersection signal was analyzed and recommended with protected only The first bound left turn. The recommended signal timing includes protected only. to pedestrian work and the fleshing don't work times based on major crossing with. Our refeed response crew, which includes the signal team, is working on updating the signal timing program while taking necessary trainings on site. The plan includes installation of signs, markings and vegetation removal. All work is expected to be completed by the end of the month, except for the wide and green stamped crosswalk, which depends on securing additional funds from the budget. We're going to change that crosswalk physically. This one has screens for being raised. That's what is a raised crosswalk. It's not raised crosswalk. It's high raised crosswalk. It's not raised crosswalk. It's high. We try to differentiate this crosswalk with much higher visibility. So it's more white and green color painted crosswalk. It's not raised. So it's not stamped, it's not going to be a stamp crosswall. So it will be painted crosswall for now. Yeah. Okay I thought you said it was going to be stamped. That's why it's like okay we're talking about physical stuff. We're going to make a physical change to what then I'd say raised could be very beneficial here. This is just an ugly terrible terrible my criticism again about this is that this is really auto-centric design and as I've said before I think there should be a crosswalk from the founders row to grove. We want people to be walking more. You need to, you know, the way people from founders row, you want them to go to, go to Mentor, you want them to go to Meridian. I think it needs to be more convenient to cross west there. Very inconvenient where it is not. And why not they call it crosswalk exactly the same. I feel like the center section just needs to have a major rethink. Yeah, if I can add on to that and apologize, I think my audio cut out at the very beginning of this. I'll also say in addition to the points that other folks have raised, the alignment of the lanes when you're heading west on Park Avenue or coming east from Northwest Street. I see a lot of confusion there every single day is to who can go straight and who can turn if you're turning into Founders AF. So I echo the same sentiment. This intersection is very confusing for folks both on foot and driving by car. And there's nothing that discourages people from doing what they are doing, which is they're going straight from last through the Founders' Road. It was about the past. Yeah, a process. There's no traffic rules that say you can't. There's nothing says you can't. And they do screw up traffic on broad, try to turn it around. And actually, I'm tempted to do it because it is the gentleman shortcut. Yeah Would work if you want to go which creates a chemistry highly you know between all on the area through Australia and it's like Yeah, in an area where there between food deliveries and folks picking people up from founders have Uber drivers. I mean, that area is congested enough to begin with. So the temptation to cut through there really just exacerbates what's already a pretty precarious situation. I mean, I haven't seen anybody below through there, but they shouldn't be cutting through it all. I kind of agree with Arthur that this intersection probably needs more than one off. I appreciate that. It's tiny changes in the effort, but it's this is a small bandage. The small bandage. And as you said, if you zoom out just a little bit, you got to let it grow when people are coming from, basically the back way from places where great follows grow, they come through grow and create all that backlog, which exacerbates that. So it's more than just the intersection we're looking at now. It's that whole stretch. Yeah, so when they did the double lanes, it's like, why even the W-0-'s like why even the W0D, why is the crosswalk that going straight across? It's like, it's just a, why don't we do that intersection? Why don't we do any field trip, somebody from DTW and talk about it out there on the street for half an hour or an hour? Actually, I think it's a bigger than that. I think it's the planning department. Yeah. We need. And planning, but I would, I would love to volunteer to go out with somebody who executes, let us then say, let's just watch for an hour and see what happens. And talk about some options and sketch some ideas and then come back here and talk about it. That's hard to look at, see, too. Is that a business? If it could be to your point when we, once it goes, the hours between like three and four, or 30 PM, I mistakenly had to get on group today, roughly three, 10, and it was a legitimate parking lot, like some walk-toe from school, before I could get off of Grove Avenue. People were going, anyways, it's so congested there and I really worry about bikers on the trail and runners and Harvards and yeah. Yeah, I think. stop for the day when the construction causes obviously that'll go away but it's when it's not there and I can't have any lane stuff. I've washed a lot of the illegal moves and they've turned yeah you can only turn right that's a that's a growth bat line is you go and cut into one center lane yeah it's and that's not gonna change what the driver's road to. So my So my sense of CHMP is sort of unimpressed with the status of this. So what does CHCT do? Do we voice that dissatisfaction? Well, this raises that question of how can we get a project initiated? That's one of, this is a bigger project than something like the rapid response group can do. This to me, this whole intersection is be realigned. I think part of the problem was that when founders were always built, they didn't realign the intersection at that time. They may be speaking. I think founders were on page for a little bit of like a, put light light in there, but they realigned the road. Bush and I realigning the road is going to be serious money. I think that almost a CIP project. So, I'm not sure how we, if somebody wants to write up the recommendation to the council to say we would glad to write such a memo just to draft a memo for us. Yeah. But there are two things that I want. I would want somebody who is actually maybe somebody from rapid response, maybe somebody from planning and tell me, or us collect what are the problems that everybody just send me an email with what you think the problems are there. Let me go out there and I'll go out there and hang out for an hour and I'd love to talk to someone. I'm interested in what they have lots of feedback. Yeah. Lots of information. There's so many that design this. Did he? Nobody. Well, I'm not saying originally I'm saying that who's looking at it now, proposing this change. S-D-E-W. Yeah. Rapid response. Rapid response. It's being done through rap response. So I think it's, I mean, the, you probably want to start with. Yeah, I mean, the terror is very open to the stuff and talking with us. So I will start with terror. I think he might be overloaded. Yeah. I would also be interested as how we define the scope of the problem because I think the concerns that were raised beyond this intersection going back to Grover completely valid too, especially as with founders too opening and the potential for more folks to be going that way. I to points that other folks have raised have seen a lot of precarious situations with pedestrians and cyclists on the trail that crossing the road and the road that we're going to and the going that way. I to points that other folks have raised have seen a lot of precarious situations with pedestrians and cyclists on the trail. The crossing on Grove is not as clear as it is with the other redeveloped crossings on WNOD. So I think that there's reason for concern there to beyond even this intersection. But like I said, I'd be interested in now we would define this specific scope of what we were asking Council to look at. So, let's hear, how about, I don't want to keep moving. Yes. How about we have David and Tristan take on putting together a recommendation to Council from CACT about this intersection. I would get in touch with Tara Hoff in DPW. She has the time which was sat on probably not. And somebody from planning for those of you who don't know Paul's daughter is leaving. So No. Yes. He's going to Alexandria. He's leaving. It'll be happy to have that response. I think he told the staff what last week and I think it's right here through back before Thanksgiving so I don't know who on planning would be the right person to reach out. In fact, it's her. Or just Bob Jenner. She's in play. Bob Jenner, she's in play. Bob Jenner. Yeah. I also can include Tara Moth, Trish and Renee. I'm in the Renee. That's the transportation team. It's Tara, a Haitian Renee. I'm going to get Renee. That's the transportation team. It's Sarah, a Haitian Renee. And then we can help for you something. Some ideas. So today, I'd like on that. But let's keep moving on. Yes. We're not going to solve this intersection here. Yeah. So the cabinet and controller at this intersection here. Yeah, so the cabinet and controller at this intersection was upgraded, a part of the Smart City program. And in fact, the programming, the time, timing, programming was just completed. So I think we will see the effectiveness. I mean, this is what we are looking at that once the upgrade at this intersection is complete. The real-time traffic monitoring will be conducted to reassess the intersections efficiency regarding pedestrian safety and traffic volume. was taken before the the signal programming was completed so we are keeping monitoring whether this kind of Q9 still exists. Have there been any counts or have there been any studies done on this intersection recently? I think that's where this part times and speeds and all that. Well the spark control should be able to give us some numbers now actually the fact that that's got the spark controller maybe we can make it more dynamic because one of the problems I think it has is people are stuck sitting there because the crosswalk has a walk signal but there's nobody on the trail at that moment. So maybe there's some dynamic stuff that it can be, you know, stop all a traffic when there's somebody coming on the trail. But there's nobody on the trail. You don't need a lot of those that spark control. We already have it. All right. That's all I have. Sure. city projects? Could you just give like kind of a rough estimate of how many intersections are, is that control box going to and what's the status like our most upgraded or installed yet or do you have an idea about that? I can, I can, I mean, I do have an idea, but I'd like to provide you more accurate information. So maybe next meeting, I will provide some update on the Smart City program, the intersection updates, how many intersections we are, which intersections are updated. Is that okay? Yeah, that would be great. which intersections are updated. Is that okay? Yeah, that'd be great. Thank you. I was actually gonna ask kind of just for more information about that in general, because I know we saw lots of articles, the news articles and whatnot, but I don't think we really got a briefing on it here. So thank you for that. Okay. Let's move on. I think our next item is the CIP quarterly update. Share. You. I guess this was actually written for council. Right. Absolutely. I have some questions. Are you breaking something on the. I give a quick briefing on it. I was in on this. Sorry, apologies for that. Small screen today. This is the CIP quarterly update for November 2024. I believe this is also coming back next quarter in February. But with this wrap through. Turn the comments if you were looking at something. We added, I don't know the committee noticed, but we added to the third page, the agenda, which is look ahead for all the different stops. So. That would be helpful. This is an update that goes through to the projects. I use this small snapshot and where each project is at. It's a timeline. How many active projects is currently 42 active. The Fee projects in one. In development. And it organized some of the facilities you can see here, from here, highest as well, Confircation projects, right, wait in the CIP. And the green yellow and red are outlined here, green, this on target, yellow is at risk, and red is behind target. And you can see the list of projects here and it goes on to the next few pages as well. Happy to take any questions or comments. So the 412 West Broad that says something on here, you're drop of sidewalk. It's like narrower sidewalk downsides on plan sheet. Do you have any details about what does that mean? I saw like part of the video when he was not there talking about it at the council meeting, but I don't know. I'm just hoping it didn't like back down again. We haven't known. I do not know. I don't know how Asian if you know the four 12 West Broad Street sidewalk. How is the on-site is in the Benchee. I do not. Yeah, I I do not, yeah, I'm not evolving that project, so I do not have information. I think my doubt, thank you. I'm a legitimate student. I've been overreaching. Well, I'm true. Yeah. Just the terminology is at risk being it could actually be bumped, or does it just mean it's late, late, late? I believe late usually it's negotiations and so on and so on and off target project and say, beware, they got very low law. You see, I think. So for my application, that this is an FYI document only, or is there some? Yes, it's an information item. Council saw the same thing, but it was less than just that. I think there's my question is, is there anything from our perspective that spins on this, or this is just to keep us? This is the key, I got the committee updated viewing down system here, which is. Yeah, that's one of the ones here, which is, that's one of the long-term years, and I'm excited. So, there are a few related projects, so it's a two-way room, and I'm really glad, I'm pressing it. I appreciate this, because the CID projects is something we have not had this ability to pass to really stand with. It's, at this ability to pass to really stand at the top. It's, as you can see, a lot of our transportation related. What is the self-washing bus stop expansion? Is that, because I had earlier, I don't think they did that big. Where it comes? There's a lot of energy at the center of the water. The high pill will be able to do with the bus stop expo is all on the softwashing tin, like the bus stops, do you know? So let me see. Let's see. It's like 29 completion. Yeah, so I agree. Wait. So like all the shelters in. Oh, all along. Okay. Do you know what they're doing at the South Washington? They all. We've got your administer. Don't know all the time ahead, but I can get back to you on that. Something I notice is when you're traveling south on South Washington and you're approaching this intersection and you're going around the curve, like you actually kind of kind of similar to the hawks in the promise. The trees like you don't see the stop light like what it actually isn't until you're like almost on the like most of, the traffic light. So I think it is just to be cut up a little bit. Are there any other comments or? How long is your question about so we saw Washington I know there's a couple intersections that I think I don't know Fairfax County is completely doing it on their own or we're doing in conjunction but like I know somewhere in the future there's just you redoing a couple of those in conjunction with do you have do you know who might have a connection on that? Um, question. So they one of them is, is the, the street on, um, so, so South Washington and West Marshall, like I was told that intersection at some point, like her, but that's all I've heard about. Yeah, but like they beat on through their backs and then I can see since this underfectation who would know more on that. I can ask more. I understand as well. Yeah, it's not clear who manages those because it's like we have one side. Fairfax has the other side and V.dot has the middle. Yeah. That's kind of the common reason. So let me follow up on Jessica's question about the shelters. What's the detail on those shelters? It was blocked. Where were the details meet? This is just a summary. It's not just a set of things. Does this have a, so this would be something that we have like a primary plan around it, right? And then you would be able to search it if they had it already. And we'll say, right. I would think maybe carry on, you know, like you are on this one. Some of these, what's the IP are like the crosswalk sidewalks and ramps. Those are engineering. It's not a signed plan to those. With the bus stop extensions, that certainly does involve planning, but it may be primarily someone else that the public works too. I think it's actually related to what you were asking about, Chas, with the original involved with your guest, Tony. Yeah, I think that, just with the emotional involved with your rest company. Yeah, I think that they just bought the grand money. Like I had last heard about this as sort of like an application. I just pulled it out and it says that they're gonna construct six new shelters so long as South Washington, decrease lane width, the intersections of Marshall and Greenway, improved intersection geometry, pedestrian refuge areas, and medians, streetlights, fructive across one, I see a lot of it. It's not, it's the great solution. It's not any sort of detailed plans. So like this is the idea of what we would like to do here. And now I think we're at the point where they're gonna start coming up with the detailed plans. They don't exist here. I think one might be a good update. I just googled South Washington for the Hawkskins. I think it ended all the church when they came up with this. It's just a link to wherever the project lives. That way, somebody's interested. They go click. And they also want to put a hawk signal in a green light. So it's a big project. There's a lot to it. We'll be very good for South Washington, just currently a frokker situation. It's currently a one- I- Fraudder, to be- I refuse to comment on whether I've ever played frokker there. But yeah, well, there was so many proposals that we submitted. Yeah. Isn't that proposal in most of that language talking about what we did? This is it. It's one paragraph. That single pair. Yeah. I'm single. Okay. I probably know that. I mean, it's probably more to it. Yeah. Let's make sure that he's taking to account the rear doors on the. Uses with these bus stops. Yeah, it's actually 15 meters, but the one where it never stops. Okay. No rear doors into trees and bushes. No, I'm almost on the way to the end. That's why it's going on. I think that's one of the last ones. The sound of it probably like do one do the next do another. All right. Does anybody have any other comments on the CIP update? Okay. How many get our wonderful NBC monthly update. We have the top green money panels. All right, we're going to get started. This is the NTC monthly update for month and November. Starting off, we have been waiting to ounce. And here, still waiting for that final approval from V.On the final part of the ZAMP lines. We have started the procurement. So there are other steps going on at the same time. This project, we're not only just waiting on V.Dot right now. We've been working on getting all the documents needed to finalize and out, get ready for the, to finish the review of the location of the game. I don't know. to finish their review of the presentation of the game. I don't know. But you had it for five months. For, or they were supposed to be a factor of someone. Yeah, it did get, there's been a few more extra comments in the outside. They're contractually review, so I have them direct share of success. A lot of work was done in marking up the streets in Greenwood, and almost all of the rooms are gone now. Why is that? The markings are just to give people an idea of where to bump out would be. There, but they were just always, I don't know. I remember they weren't designed. Sorry. They weren't the GGM design. Yeah, yeah. But it seemed like a lot of work to just go through and then they just up here. That's when the letter was sent out to the residence of the band sets. They had time to test out the markings and driving with the curb extensions there and then sending comments to staff. Okay. And so that's usually just like it's spray-pain that's not going to last for long as I meant to be a part of it. We talked about that with respect to one or two of the intersections. Okay. If it's gone they must have have used a different spray paint than they did for Park. Remember that. They did that. Park and Maple and the spray paint is lying lasted, what, like two years. Okay. And this is the change paint. of taking things. All right, we moved down to No one's tree. If No one's tree, we've been working to get a proposal for right away survey for two of the properties. I just wanted to have speed help signs. The new group of passes and staff wants to ensure that there is enough right away there in the case that the neighborhood boat passes those signs can be placed along with the speed homes. Once a boat. The boat is going until staff receives the survey results. The neighborhood boat can't be sent out until This goes going until staff receives the survey results. The neighborhood vote can't be sent out until we know that there's significant amount of right-weight group signs and yards. So, better news for the piece, Jefferson Street, the speed hubs are currently in. I want to go ahead and look at them. One of those signs are replaced in the wrong position. One of the yards, they'll be corrected, I believe, this week if not next, the contractor. They did the paving and putting the speed helps at the same time in the street. Feel it great and then once those signs are repositioned, I'll go out and take photos and hopefully we get featured in the focus. Okay, so there she is. That was really fast. Yeah. Two hours, really, really fast. I'm just going to put this up. Yeah, happy, happy yet. Something in there. Okay, let's see. to the community. Wanting down to some West Street. Staff has responded to feedback and the rest of the guys want to be back from the working group. The seed being and we're going to work with them to talk through the light traffic calming solutions and try to work around limitations we have currently on Southwest. The staff has been instructed to do a write-up on the snow mercy routes and that's looking to be completed in January or so. And that's when all of this diversity routes and the city would be evaluated and looked at the state they're needed and see which ones can have heavy solutions such as solution of signature. Can we get a copy of the proposed solutions here? The ones that believe they're mostly still in this PowerPoint here. Outside of the crosswalk. across-wap. All right, let's see here. We have both from... So everything in this is up to date, except the working group was not in favor of having additional radar speed display on the street. So right now, you requested approval from the working group to install the RRFBs at popular drive and then across walkover at Madison Lane. That's the thing we're talking about. So that again, the one at popular. What's it called again? Destrian rectangular rapid flash movie kids. So these are the ones that address a lot of the stress flash and they would flash that as they notice vehicles the stop as they cross this to you. Thank you for I tell you how the carbon sites are, but the foliage on the core of Madison and West, I'm struck, all views, knowing. Okay. This was, yeah, this actually had a document attached to it too, like you've heard. You looked at Madison Lane and Fowler, Fowler Vanquilff, I for a clear siteline, I want to sit minus you, Madison, didn't qualify over here. And I think that vegetation can be trimmed so that makes sense. Fowlers and tough understandings because of that siteline. I'm sorry I'm getting my projects confused, so forgive me, but we're re-talking about speed hubs on less. That was brought up and requested by the working group. The streets currently is so mercy row, which so there are already two speed hubs outside of Foster city and out. Like they're on Southwest already. Did they say that's a problem? That's been brought up. The city has maintained outside of the few exceptions that snowiers or else cannot have speed humps. And from my understanding, we talked with operations here on this in the EPW. So I think we take a good extra one to two hours to clear a snowfall out with each speed home that's on the street. Yeah, that's a good one. But I think we were talking about raised crosswalks elsewhere much. That's deep, not as difficult. So we're talking about traffic. We'll be happy with works down on the other end. We'll be happy with raised crosswalks. Down the affair. Is that that they part of funeral home before the funeral? Yeah, heading out towards like the same way. Yeah. Again, with these are the RFB and the crosswalk those can go in fairly quick since the snowboard is about to be reviewed. This is something staff can get ordered and complete now. Are our feet are just all the right? Yes. Well, the radar speed just plays our... The other must be too. I mean, even less power. It might be. Otherwise it would be a lot of work that came in. Anyone be able to get them a quick bit more? Oh yeah, we can picture this down to the panel. Yeah. Next up is Northe Grose about St. That we're going to be accepted the light traffic homie solutions and confirmed if it was involved with place on the work order, which he's setting is, as if he has quite a few life solutions on one stretch, which is any questions for Mr. Roosevelt? And this moves on in kind of our group of three. Starting calling them, uh, Fowler, Fowler Drive, and Cheryl. Those are all pending site visits. Um, staff are going out. There's a week to look at. Uh, Fowler and Fowler. And then next week to look at Cheryl. And Cheryl is the one we're looking at possible heavy solutions for. First of all, Cheryl is the alignment with the work on the bridge is, get the traffic coming, but we also have, I went to the meeting last night, it also got the placement of the bridge coming. And I think that's 20, 26. It's not this year, but the following summer. I wanna make sure things are pointed. Yeah, it will be and the likely case scenario in this street would be speed bumps and those would have the end little impact that he looking at counter-curve down on Sarah versus towards the bridge. Yeah, towards the bridge is a short section. It's an interesting presentation. That's not what they said, but very formal. It's like read, read, don't deviate from evil words. It's big done by B.So, it's different. And now getting into one case up the session this evening, we have East Columbia Street, last week we used with the prior NTC case this year, East Columbia Street. This is from the section of Vandering to Sikomore, and the Marso Tukahode, and the city limits, but I will bring up a memo here. So hopefully everyone's got in the chance to carry this. So once over, if not, I'll do a short summary here. Again, this is the case prioritization of East Columbia's trade between North Bambiore and North St. War. CCT is requested to vote next steps. And staff recommends moving forward with development of heavy solutions for the section of East Columbia Strait after reviewing the data came back as a medium risk level. Some background on this request first came in last year in July. It was especially concerned with those intersections there, the stop signs interviewing that area of people using this tree as a cut through. The traffic data was collected over seven days, the consultant extended to include the E-Astrave. And that was, he was once the last September, and was used by just over 2,000 vehicles per day. This is slightly lower than the other stretch of East Palmvia, looked at a still average speed of 23 miles an hour and 80 percentile of 27, which is on my way. And again, the closest speed limit on the street is it's time was an hour. Let's go through how the DC scores are made and this got a medium priority as it bubbles in this category here, but a score of 472. In this graph, we can show up. Shows other cases looked at are currently in the cube. And you can see Southwest over here. You have a higher average daily global volume and then North Roosevelt, which has not as high as the West, but again, that's when those speeds are concerned as the percent chance of severe pedestrian treatment. This up. And he's glumbia calls right here. It is higher than his cases down here, and it's at that medium or even for a scope. It shows more detail where it falls. And this is where the data was collected on the street. Then a summary going through. There are a couple of big speakers there. I'm going to say for me, provided a date over to the police about the 70 mile an hour, you know, in the 40s, depending on people going 50s, 50, 70, for five, so many times a day. That's a good reminder. The traffic data attached here in the show. So that's the times which day. So interpreting the chances of severe injury, say it at 10%. Does that mean what does that mean? That means it's looking at speed and the odds of how severe, or some would be injured if they had gotten hit at that speed. So if you're looking at five miles an hour, that would probably hit, you know, around like that 10%, special, as you can see. If the x-axis there was showing speed, I would understand that, say, but it's not showing speed. Oh, so the way the percent of surgery injury gets calculated using speed? But you know, you could look at that, say, well, 10% of the people there are going to be severely injured. And that's not really what you're saying, isn't it? No. This formula here is how it is calculated. So you find the chance of a pedestrian, so suffering is severe. And you can crash by taking those speeds into accounts. There's, um, key more. The volume again, they have those five-manile power speed then. So as the speed increases by the vehicle, um, let's say like 20 to 25, um, That can be used, not given up. So that it kind of reaches that threshold, if that makes sense. And TC Hambo also walks through this. A little more in detail. It's really big. It is a chance of surreal that injury over a period of time, a chance of a year, a chance of career that injury over a period of time, a chance of a year, a chance of a hundred years? Meaning what was 10%? Isn't it a injury? Isn't it, isn't it? The speed as a static number, how bad is someone who we heard that then you add the volume and a thousand cars going by rather than 50 cars going by, you're going to have a much higher percentage chance of injury at 25,000 dollars than you would have thrown 50 pounds on by. That's how I interpret that essentially what we do not have in the formula because we, that's the basic, is the volume of pedestrians and the volume of bicycles. Yeah. We don't, we're not able to collect that data. I would really love that we, if we could and, rather than to operate that in because I think that, yeah. So you, if you don't have that, you know, I 66 is horrible, but there's no pedestrian so chances are zero So some this is from a former the city developed in the Middle East CCT as well Yeah, but we were, we were just doing some kind of, like, no, but then we revisited what two years ago, and we updated it. So we were getting some weird results. So now, priorities that it's also changed to. So now the medium priority that the risk level is much bigger. So it allows for a lot of our cases to get the dress and get black. Can I rewind just for a short second? The underlying cause of East Columbia Can I rewind just for a short second? The underlying cause of East Columbia Street being a high traffic is across street between Washington and Singapore is that right? People are cutting through. Right, that's a better question. So are they cutting through? I understand this is for North Van Bure and to Sikamore. So what's the traffic path? Like is that going to solve the underlying cross-through problem or is it going to push it north to the next cross-street? That only so, I don't think it'll be pushed because that's somebody guilty of using it at 20 miles an hour. It really isn't enough. That's the one. That's the cut through. That's the cut through. Right. You're all well. Yeah, you're all in Washington. If you want to get over to where the Eden Center, Target and everything, it's a great cut through. Yeah. And does it originate? But I mean it can it originates from Washington. But I thought you said there's significant traffic differences between East Columbia to the west of which say no one versus to the east and no. It's not a joke, people are all the way through. So I can see if I can find it, but the traffic results, the speeds and the volume of all the higher the other section is currently at. For the rest, that's because people are coming in on, it's not West of the Ambury and it's not probably of the environment. It's not so much to be a to lot and and cherry because that's the summer cutting through over to sick more and summer cutting over around the broad and wash your intersection. Yeah, also guilty of that one. Sorry, but they can ask the area wherever could I ask kind of a spatial question, did the name of it is Van Buren-Coonwood, second, because the project actually taking consideration all the way to the stop sign in what throws it on. Because that is a blind corner. But that's a blind stop sign from the left. That's also our way to. Right. That's a blind stop sign from the lamp. That's also our way to. Right. That's the line here. Is the lines down the center of signal or something? It might not be as my last step. We don't have to dig that. It kind of goes. I got the answer, I think. Right in between. The city line kind of goes like this. Yeah. Yeah, OK. But when we look at it, we would look at it, you know, the stretch, and if we have to coordinate, um, around it, you will. So there are any, um, informing, um, how part of it, and definitely walk around there. Yeah, yeah. Anything, um, goes in if that segment is actually, if, and you have a solution to install, I think signage. Because going west there is a local road road going to East is not a good cut. So the point that I'm more concerned is that we're not including any, I'm assuming we're not including a solution between Sherry and Vancouver Because that was in part of the request, but the traffic pattern, nobody's turned down Van Buren. The traffic is gonna be the same in that area, I would say. If Colombia, if this area's gonna be a medium, then that area's gonna end up being a medium which should be examining traffic solutions for there. I think that's really, it should be going from cherry to sicklemore. Everybody agree with that? I will say this is a petition that passed a reason why we did get in the few properties by the forest drive here. This was the main area of the concerns, but again, if staff of me have decided to visit and solve other areas that concern further up, it's plenty of that could be included and expanded. There's still time again to if extra soon interesting we gathered I'm sure traffic lighted chariots stop stop so there's no dress collect on that you know no I don't think it needs of there's four way of cherry there's a boy way or three way of that during. I would say this needs to be expanded to be cherry-cisted more. Boom. And it can just show clear on what we're trying to inform. Like these measures are not intended to reduce the cut through traffic. It's to slow traffic down. It does. That is the better. Right. Traffic solutions don't aim at decreasing amount of cutthroat. Sometimes the cutthroat will decrease. For instance, The animals don't want to. You know, I live out there. It becomes the wild times of the country's history. Yeah. Right all over. Yeah. Especially if you sometimes send a different way and then they keep going that way. They grow. That's what you're getting. Well, no, I wasn't. I was stuck on it. It's the high school and everything up around here. If it's you have anyone down there, that's screw it up. What would it take to expand to much? I cannot stop for you. It would just involve us see how many houses are here. It's a lot. It'd be quite a few. I'm not talking about it. But I think those things, people would appreciate it it because I think they know. Does it take something from our committee to them or is it more that's just we've said it so you're going to go ask the questions. We can see. I don't think it requires another traffic study because I feel like that section is representative of the traffic on the other section. There's also some sidewalk issues back and forth. I think it's continuous. I think you have the cross. I can run this by other transportation stats, to see what they think of the study area. We may have to go back and get additional traffic study further down since the other recent traffic study was only between Washington and Cherry. It might have to be one between Cherry and Gigeron. That is still. There will be some people cutting out on the one, which is why we're putting something on the one. Yeah, I would agree with that because I've also, I walked that just about every weekend and there are folks cutting in from Nolan from my experience coming in pretty fast going towards Van Buren. So I think I would agree that that area is probably representative of the concerns of folks cutting through all the way up to the North Washington Street. And I think the angle to ask the question is that there's a study that's almost done the whole street somehow about it. Yeah, I don't think again, push back from the neighbors, no, from the presidents, I think they would be happy for it. It's time for that one guy. Always that one guy. I have East Columbia has the last case. The learning of the study area is, it does become more difficult. That is one part to consider. And a stretch like the Sonee's Columbia or Highly Solutions would be a lot more. So in terms of time added, if we looked to just continue it, because they want to be mindful of the residents that can put the request in, so I wouldn't want to delay a project by a significant amount of time. If we were to add to that on East Columbia, maybe make the project bigger how much time do you think that would add in terms of data voting with residents. The first step, I think staff could go ahead and order the traffic data for that stretch. And then signatures have to be collected for those homes. It looks like probably a good 20 homes here, not more. The request or we'd have to go up or something else, this could be a separate section for traffic calming too. So we kind of treat these as two separate cases, even if we want to move forward. Can we open a case? So technically, I think residents from the Section of East Columbia would have not had necessarily raised it, but it's not like we're raising it. So if there is a resident or a proctorior within the stretch that at CACT in contact and encourage to request staff to encourage a petition to send out. That's a way to go about it. What about the way it's about to gap in the NFC program? So we can't finish it. Right. So we've rest initiated and yet, we know the places we want to see what it is. We've been put it into one of our numerous course projects, and we believe that the phase two is worthwhile. So we don't slow down the first part of the project, but we acknowledge, or at least we get our voice in to process to say, there's more than just east of India and go up. I don't want to keep it moving so maybe for the action I didn't mean. It sounds like we're on an agreement that this is something I should be moving forward. It sounds like there's an idea to say who I move forward with this as well as initiated face to for the remainder of Columbia that has not been addressed. Got two ends, let's get the middle. I'd say and then move forward on the agenda because next step is to go to a step review. So do we have to make a motion to advise this, that this advisement should move forward? Yes. So I would make that function. With that acceptance, can we add in? Yeah. We, so just so I understand what your motion is is we approve going forward and recommend a phase to looking west of the end of the year. I'd like that the transition to the transition. Second that much. All right. I I You are I So let's move on. First, I'd like somebody to make a motion first to extend the agenda for maybe to 9.30. Since we are not going to be done by nine. You got to move. Please don't have a left. I have a hard time. We have the legislative program and discussion of the patent program. And then we need to talk about the end of reporting the transportation dashboard. I'd make a motion from hardstop at 930, no, no, Kansas or months. Thank you, motion. All in favor. All right, let's talk about the legislative agenda. I think Jenna added it to be as an attachment this morning. Yeah, so we haven't had a whole lot of people look at it. I have one thing I'd like to play about it hopefully. Maybe have them add but one of the comments are there. I don't think this is gonna be our last look at it. I think this might be going to council on the 20th. I remember right email. This might be going to Council on April 24th. I remember right email. And the memo is due tomorrow. You know what I think I'm telling you. But it sounded like we should also just send an email. Right. I can forward an email of comments. I would say it's an industry. All right, so while we quickly go out of the table and let everyone comments that people have, let's give this instructor here. Let's start with David. I think everybody's looking at the the document. Okay. 20 pages one, we. Okay. I have not I have not read this one that was attached but then you read the other one. I think by old comment on that was a a state of things like public health and safety. But I always think of the goal set with by doing the X-Lion Z. And what I think is missing from the whole presentation of it is how what are the actions that might happen to actually implement that? Yeah, and I think what Mr. Snyder was was inviting us to do was to provide some specific recommendations. Yes, because this is it's pretty pretty general. I mean, I look at it and I'm frustrated that under the under the vision, inclusiveness doesn't mention transportation and mentions housing. And I think transportation is a critical component to inclusion. You know, that's not a specific idea. I don't know. I'm a bit skeptical about what we can, you know, to sort of go through this on the fly, I don't think you're really going to do it justice. Yeah. You know, Canada's got dropped on us. We can't really do much. We start precious time here and not come up with something that's satisfactory. Comments or do you say something about duty? Tomorrow because we can't encounter here. 25th is when I think it's going to cancel. I think there's some flexibility on when those comments were due. I was also used to be aware of this this morning. What kind of was this? This was sent out today. Yeah. Cindy Mester did highlight pages four and then pages 12 and 13. Who did? Cindy Mester. I would say one thing that this is not trained to address some things that we see out there one for my personal dresses, frustrated by these e-bikes on bicycle trails that are not really bikes. I was up to the class too. Yeah whatever they are, say any any bike that does not provide pedal assist should be subject to mo pit moss. Actually any data, there's some here's some you mono whatever was they told you to pick gold, 900 miles an hour down that time. Yeah, I was, I wouldn't subject to bull pet boss. The three ones are basically moats. It's just like, I was looking up the definition apparently, it's don't necessarily have pets, because in petals, they're bebeauty. It's like, what? Those people are not using the pedals. Is it due to their speed, their size, the risk to cyclists? All of the of a, yeah, because I would say, I would say any power assisted vehicle, because those boards that are single wheels, they go 25 miles an hour and they're wearing like elbow pads and knee pads, they're cruising down with WOV trail. Yeah, I know we'd be able to get those, but I think there would be pushback to say that they'd be subject to well-paid loss. Because well-paid as a pre-registered, have a license plate, all these things. And I wouldn't see, I think it would cause people to just reject the whole thing. It's kind of like, I don't disagree that they're going back. Because there is a speaking line. Yeah, I guess. So your statements really about what I got to do with vehicles that are safe or unicycolic, they actually do. They're basically, but there's the one They're not, they're basically, but there's, what's the difference between one of those and electric moped pad against one has paddles that you don't use? But again, the argument of, if the only difference is, it is assisted by battery power, there's other vehicles, there's scooters, there's single wheels, they're scooters, there's single wheels, they're all on the AWS Trail, the alternative is to stick them on the roads with cars, which I think is more dangerous. So there's no more danger to have an electric bike on the AWS Trail, it's following the speed limit, you know, than in having cyclists, it's still at 35 miles an hour to get to work and blown through stop signs and screaming if people walk in their dogs, right? What's the speed limit on the remote? 15. 15 to 15. I can tell you right now, there's an annually power people. Maryland has 15, you're doing 25 on some of those straight away. You know, one thought is we talk about this is more vehicles or more modes of transportation. You're going to come on that are electric. And so I think just thinking through that and to your point, I don't think that those vehicles are vehicles for roads. I think you're vehicles for sidewalks and trails. And so it's trying to make that whole thing useful. How to have the legislation catch up with the innovation behind it. Cause ultimately you want less cars around. So we want scooters and we want the e-bikes. And we don't want scooters and unicycles on road and cars. Yeah. I don't know about that. I think we need to, you know, push some of the cars off and get and get other vehicles there. Cause we're at work. You know, if you don't want them on the trail, because they have a speed, they're too fast to be on the trail. We need to go take them where they can. So if I kid it, it's on a scooter. I want my kid on the WOD trail. I don't want him in the middle of the street, facing down delivery trucks and whatnot. So can't be doing 15 miles an hour, but it'd be 25 months an hour. You say he's not, he doesn't belong on the WNOE, but it's less risk, it's less risk to the user. The alternative is not to say nobody's going to use it, I think you're right. There's going to be a proliferation of these operator of the South Korea. You know, electric scooters are the way and they're all over the road. And it's obnoxious, right? They're in and out of the trot, it's worse than a motorcycle. And it's very dangerous. And culturally, we won't adjust as well as, you know, other places. There's no mechanism to bring you right to speak on the track, it's like, no, there's no mechanism to bring it right to speak on the track. No, there's no enforcement in place. There are just, there are hall monitors people like pop around. But there's no allowies. They're not allowed to say, hey you, Bozo, stop. The argument could be that that's why I say same as a moment. It should be allowed on the trip. That's the one street limited as long as they. And just the fact that the these things have a pedal and that one doesn't is just like. I do understand that I'm going back to like the electric scooter because technically scooter should be pushed by a flight now they're electric and that that's great it's all just figuring out moves of transportation if we're trying to cut down on cars on the road and how people can get around town I think probably the solution is monitoring speed on the trails, versus what can and can't go on the trails. I was initially I was in a same thing. You should, you need a pedal if you're going to be on a trail trail. For instance, why I just don't think innovation is, well, that fits back to one of the differences that a mode head has to be registered. So if these then have to be registered. It doesn't amount head only. You can get better in Virginia if it has over 50 CCs in the moment. I think that under 50 CCs, you don't have to have registered. I'm not sure. I think that's the case. I think I was looking at the federal definitions. What the Virginia law? Moped, very good in any training. I believe so. Honestly, I have not seen a moped. Yeah, but it goes to the late e-bikes. Yeah. The point is, what's the difference for people getting those heavy duty ebikes. They're not even looking at if they have the option they might get them oped but then they have to register it and they're like I don't want to. Yeah it's 50 cc's which is the definition in today's day and age since I'm like e-mob heads are zero CCs. In other words, the way they clarify this is a class three, so paddling it, you can go 28. I've never got 28, you two frightening. Not to mention it's illegal. Yeah. And they don't need to have a license, but and no patent operators have to be 16 years to the age of awful. They don't need a driver's license, but they're supposed to carry a government I gave. It just feels like to prove that it was heavy usually the big V-bikes. It's just that control. This is so out of the league. Like I appreciate the discussion, but you know, even as we're not, we're not gonna get through the design. We need to, we need to know how. It's a little rather than just brainstorming this stuff. I think we have to, tell them we're not gonna be able to provide feedback until the December meeting. Yeah. I think we need to compare to this summer meeting saying, this is my feedback. Put together a list. Yes. And if somebody would like to compile that this from all the members. The staff is going to be meeting with the legislators. They have some, some, these things they can bring up. These would be edits directly to this draft. Yeah, if we have something where we don't completely have something. Even if it's a few basic items, I know Andrews email had a few. Well, that's in his public comment redirect. We're used to them being a member, but it's not. Well, again, obviously they started to a took objective objective to Andrew's suggestion. Well, exactly. Sorry. Oh, I see. The work session is on this upcoming one day, 18th, and then adopted on the 25th. So that's why they're moving across. Do you know where I'm? Correct. It seems moving fast. Do you have a aura? Yes. It seems very fast. So we really don't have to the next meeting, but. We'll just if people could like some of them come somewhere. I think that's what's going to happen. It's that we aren't given up time. We will be members of the CAC team will have to see that there are comments of public comment directly to the council. I don't see, probably we can, but I don't see us being able to get through. And get to a agreement on comments in the next year, 15, 20 minutes. Right. I would agree with that. So I would say the message back is that you're gonna have enough time. Yeah. And numbers of the CACT will review the legislative agenda and provide comments directly to count. So and if desired, we'll provide comments directly to council as public comment. Which we're all required to do. So if I was to write something up this week, Where would I send it? I would send it to the City Clerk email. It should be City Clerk at Wall Street, VA, AACA. Before you can send it to me and I can send them directly to Cindy Chang who's easiest. The work session will be on one day. I think Andrew's comments are a good part. For example, I don't see you now. All right, so let's move on to the paving demo. The reason I brought this back, I know we've voted on this last time. I did not submit it because when I removed the brick stuff, started digging into it. It became much more... There was questions in my mind that I started digging into it and realized there was a lot more to this that we discussed and that was not comfortable that the CACP voted reflected what it was actually said. So one more is there that you came up. So the first off this recommendation was not dated, it was carrots. It was actually, this is actually, the recommendation was actually, the PW's recommendation last year to the council for funding. So the fundamental, so this fundamental is no longer a CACP recommendation. It's us supporting the city staff recommendation. Now that change alone, I think warranted or re-built. But yes it's so I talked I reached out to Tara she got me some 2024 data there wasn't much I have a feeling she is very busy right now. It's that gone and dealing with all that stuff. It was also, I found it did not reflect properly is that the numbers within the 2.2, the average of 2.2 lane miles over the last three years, is not being prepared. It's five to10 year old cars. So, where, Hey John, I want to talk about how they dug down on Roosevelt, that's not this sort of repair and that's the sort of repair that needs to be done. He was talking, and he was only talking about the barrier before, this was talking about the poor and very poor, which I believe is 29, so the name is 25, you can only have any and so 25 mile laying miles are in poor or worse, and they're not keeping up, even close in the bottom line as they don't have the money to do the work. It's a straight up funding problem. I reached out to Tara. I gave her the recommendations. I also sent her this. She said the recommendations, and they've got really have not changed. So she's comfortable with what's in here. I'm not her back from around the full document. But yeah, they're falling behind. Let me just say, I'm not barely quite honestly, I'm frustrated. This has come back. I think it came from John and it went to me and it went to you. And this is third or fourth time we're dealing with this. I'm not a traffic engineer. I don't think. Right? And I don't want to engineer this. I don't think CACT should be engineering. I think what this letter was is the intent. The sense is that the city is not keeping up and is not managing the infrastructure as it should. I don't have any sense that if this letter or some other letter goes to the city council, that they're gonna embrace it and say, oh yes, we're gonna exactly do this. They're gonna consider it They're going to think about it. It's sort of a recommendation. I don't think we need we don't we should an engineer. I think we should move forward with this letter. Send it out. Let's go. It's time to go over that. It's just the structure of it as I went through it. I just didn't feel the vote was on the right. You actually voted on what was going to be set and I thought. Did you think we didn't understand it? I think we didn't know, understand that this was actually the city's recommendation. I don't think that's a thing is we're not coming up with this. And I think that's a huge difference is that, hey, we're telling you this is a support of what you're going to be getting from the city for your budget process. And yes, I want to do you down to it. But some of the lessons learned from the Oak Street document is that for this to have the impact, I need to send it in and then come into a council to present and tell them, well, this is our recommend. This is, I began any sort of memo of this sort, that's the effective way to to send it in. Is to get on the agenda and present it? Yeah, this is the public comment period. And just so that they know this is what we've seen. And a lot of it is that we've heard part here, part here, part there, and then John had gone through and done the, the back. And yeah, I mean, it's, the changes were extensive enough that I didn't think, it was what we had voted on, is the bottom line. So can we vote on this, this version? Yeah, I'm just looking for. But you want to explain the changes. So the primary, the biggest one is that what one is got 2024 numbers in there. But the biggest one is that it's not our recommendation. It was completely written and passes it was our recommendation. It's not as we're supporting the CDW's recommendations. Also the It's got a little more emphasis on the fact that What they are currently doing are five 10 year repairs Really none of it Did you do where's it so that city of accelerate repair So things like include structural repairs where needed. They are not doing structural repairs right now because they just don't have the resources to funding. Otherwise, they are just not going to get ahead of this. Those are the big things. Is there only, could this be solved by adding or showing to me a clarification that says we're supporting the recommendation that the following to the city council. We're saying this is the state-owned representative change. Well, that's, yeah, which is completely different from what it was before. It was we are recommending this. This is we're supporting their recommendation. Because to your point, we're not the engineers. We're not the engineers, we're not the people, we're not making a recommendation. We're throwing our support behind their recommendation. And I think that's actually much more effective. I think this clearly says, you guys are way behind, you gotta get a role. Yeah. And given that, I'd say let's I'm being in a motion again to move this forward. We need a motion to adopt this and forward it to council. And presented one of us presented. That would be it. And that would be it. So I would make that motion. I will make a motion to committee to approve this as written. There's no number 13 version. And for you to be said and you to deliver to the council opens the door for you to present. I second. All right. Hi. Hi. Hi. OK. Thank you. We'll love. No one that's going to be a real headache. So sorry, we sent you out to have to present something. But no, I don't mean that. There you go. But these next two, I think, are this next one is one of the real headaches. So I'm going to have to present an annual report to city council. So the question is we're going to need update the transportation dashboard. These are more. Every year have to do this. Trying to get a little bit of a head start on this. It's actually doing December. So, do I have a dashboard? No, you report. Well, the record last year contained the dashboard for it, you included it. And they really like that. So there's two things we need to talk about. One is we need to update the dashboard to be the now we're getting to be able to be here. I, I view the dashboard as type of an annual update. We're type of getting. So I want to make sure we have somebody working on it. Who's going to do it? What sort of timeline do we want to target to get this done? Well, then do you and I'm I are going to work on it. We're going to find out who we're going to be with Andrew Andrew could just how he constructs that what are his resources and whatnot. I'm going to do that. But, but, but, timing. So So technically, the annual record is doing December, I don't think we're going to deliver it in this one. We were months late. We were months late. It's a little bit flexible. Yeah. You know, we're massively late. I don't want to be less late. I'm not getting the chance to present it to deliver it in the January, February timeframe. If we get, I don't think we're gonna have the dashboard done by early January because some of the data may just not be available. Well, if Andrew will give us the time. So I think we can target. I think we can make some comments. Well, yeah, the timing is an interesting question. If they demand a report in December, you provide the information that's available by December. But there's some flexibility. So question is which one, obviously the rating needs to vote on the and or quote to represent. Do we think that should be voted on at the January or February? Well, you really certainly an interesting question. When is the date going to be going to be available? If you're talking about annual accidents in the city, for instance, that's obviously not going to be available until the after the end of the year. And I don't know how quickly I'll quit. I just don't know enough about about the date. Why would you say the annual revenue? You just have to do it. Yeah. So I would say we shoot to have a draft annual record done by the January meeting. The dashboard may not be updated yet because new data is coming. And then we target the February meeting to vote on the end of report to be presented the final end of report. So the question is, so I think that's a reasonable time frame. If we don't have at some of the data yet for 2024, by January, we just don't have it. We just say that. That's reasonable. Obviously, some of them we want. Some of these things, they take them so they give themselves a few months to go and have quite well even no one else. themselves, they give themselves a few months to go out, probably won't even know what I'll show. Of course, the annual report itself, question for the committee is what topics should we cover? You think we should be covering that we've done this year, but only one I have so far is the membership and stability, which hopefully we'll resolve that. First time in the year was, well, I mean, that's because the bulk of the discussions in these meetings seems to be about NTC. You gotta talk about NTC, that's what this group, I wish it was talking about, it's more strategic things perhaps, but that's what we're talking about. I agree. So that since we did the we should do the green light down but the oak street them all. Just so you know um might want you to write that paragraph. I did want to just tell you talked to all about a couple weeks ago and he had some recommendations about maybe reorganizing it to make it clear for the like who would be responsible on staff which I can do and on the coupling when you see living trying to come on priority. His last day is a day before it is a great place. So, that is the 27. Yeah, so just so you know, where that is, I'm kind of here to get out of here from anybody I want to say counsel about it. That's part of my lessons learned is I think these things need to be presented to them so that gets right in front of them. And they have an opportunity to ask any questions or why did you bring this up there? I think we would have been straightforward. I'm just, I've sought to call about it and he said, Dan what he's, what he was recommending. It's like after I, after the conversation, I was like, okay, I'm gonna do these later. I was like, can I open it up? I was like, well, my God, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do it. Okay, I'm gonna do it. Okay, I'm gonna. priorities for 2024 during the 23 report. I think we will follow up on the 13 high points, both points, and what we have out for some what we did and what we're going to do about the things we did, we're going to not better, we're going to roll it into 25. Okay, so just writing on retrospective. It's really a review of 2024 priorities. I was also going to ask, is this an appropriate venue to talk about more forward looking items that have come up over the past few meetings, like actually being able to talk with the rapid response scene items like that that are priority, maybe have not been included to the extent we want this year, but we would want to see more of next year. So that raises another piece that we have to start looking at, we have to adopt in January, which is our 2025 priorities. And I would definitely think that should be brought up. If there's things that we would like to see be more involved in, I'd want to be more involved in parking. And while we were involved in the parking policy that we've been providing comments on the parking policy that happened this year. It was limited to the City Council set for that project. So there's a broader discussion that we think we would like to see for parking and I think everybody's on board. Parking can be better. And at least parking as an aspect of any of the projects that we have. Well, that's the other one that we did last year is which projects. What there's planning and project input. We'll cover that again. What planning and project input did we provide? When I was Quinn, was Quinn last year? It's been the same. No, it was this year too. So last year's. It's been the same. I thought it was this year too. It's on last year's. That's what's giving it. I thought it was this year. You want to hear it with a pistol stand for you. Not because it was. So maybe it was. I don't know. It was very. It was kind of like we just need to get this done. Trying to get ahead of it. So there weren't as many planning and project inputs as years, previous years because they slowed down. Where are some of what other topics that people think. I think the missing ranks program. Sidewalk expansion. Priorities for next year. I know you have to. No, I think for. The December meeting we want to start, we want to have a good discussion about priorities for next year. So I'm going to push that out and say come ready to the December meeting. And ideas of, should we make organizational changes or anything like that. So for instance, I would propose that we just make it in time. It's just a challenge for me. No, we're just not getting it back. I think it also has a little bit of the headstock. I'm going to ask Jennifer to include it. I was like, this is good information. Let's just throw it in there for information. I was going to ask Jennifer. I asked Jennifer to include it. Is that something councilor? Yeah. I was like, this is good information. Let's just go in and there for information. I was just going to discuss Paul. And so, you're interesting, going down, even with everything. Yeah, I think we'll always be involved about that. And I mean, I was, I wouldn't have myself, it doesn't seem all counter to it, but that was down. And I mean I was I wouldn't let myself it doesn't so seem all counter to it Dallas down. Yeah, and it's not you it's not like it's something with down. It's Anyway It was happening even before COVID that you see the big debt, but it was on her downward time. It is common. It's informational. I saw it, I was like, the quid should see it. Does anybody else have anything they want to discuss at tonight's meeting? Jen, I did just have a question. I knew you were going to follow up about the ministry and the law think that we at South Wee and Rod to see the timeline of that. So I reached out to the current manager. I'm really busy at the moment. I have got a response yet. But I would dip the plans. They are available on the city website and it looks like on the plans that wasn't labeled. But it looks like that will be pedestrian signals across NER. And they're going to redo for this like ad-good crosswalks with complete intersection with not yes, there will be the judge for signals there. Did they, was that, with their timeline giving, because they think initially it was quoted up like 2026 or 2027? I didn't see a timeline. It just has the plan set linked on the website. You look for it. I'll follow up with you as a public manager and see I think you just just be normal. With our 20 month on our change to have all of us signs of the recent. I think so. I don't think you know I noticed that. No, not in the same 25. It's still correct. It's almost there's fear that it's not made this one. It has 25 sides. There are a number of 25 sides. I saw great pair of stop signs in Vienna. They had a solar collector among and they were surrounded in red lights and they blinked. So people actually stop at those stop signs for in Vienna. That would be a nice thing to see adopted here and there. Being up on a thin, there's two different backside areas. Two different areas. You have some flashing around in the side. Sure. You have to remember that one that heritage is there. I think just the two thickets that flash kind of like on. Oh no, not across. That's across. On the backside. That's what it is. Yeah. When you're leaving here, you're putting those very angular, the flashing crosswalk. No, I'm talking about a real top side, six, I eight side and a stop side that's surrounded in the only deep. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's stuff. Yeah, I think so. I think it might just be one light though. I think it's one light. We tried I think it might just be one light though. I think it's one light. We've tried, don't think it's one other traffic calming or this traffic control in that sense. So, I had no idea. It's not a sub- I would say that the intersection at grapefals and maple, the double-sided stop signs, I think has made a difference there. I put those in on West and what's the cut through there? Yeah, West and Margaret. I just noticed that and it's helpful because people go through that too. Yeah, I intentionally really. Something I'd like to see a link in a note. I agree. I would. Yeah. Oh, link in Oh, living. Oh, living. Why is it all inside one stop? So instead of the stop sign just being to the right, the other direction, the back of the stop sign on the other direction is also a stop sign. A little bit more. It's more maintenance, but I would like. Just a little more, but it's not as expensive as the LAT. Yeah, it's a different type of fault. With these elements, did you worry about getting the attraction with the map apps? I did. I sent in comments at least for Google, and I think Google is also connected to ways. Not sure how Apple does their system. I did send in those comments on behalf of the city. So I think it might have more traction. I haven't driven this even. They've updated. What did your them to do? To update this theme of it. It's showing 25 on an app like kind of the Google Maps option, the car, as of 20. I'm not getting into it. I'm just saying what the ways in Apple Maps and I just realized us a couple months ago, I was like very serious. I couldn't believe it went a year, I'm just wondering. That's a second. So when they drive through taking the pictures, they probably do recognition on the signs. Yes, they'll come. Look at the, so the comment that you say put it, you submit on behalf of the city, but like isn't just to like their general inbox that are like not like official. It was a city was able to partner with maps that it's an official comment. That's pretty much the best city to do moment. It's not a perfect system. I'm pretty, so yeah, I'm probably gonna be back. Oh, I think I've got something I haven't felt of on it. Oh, thank you. Thank you for the trip. So then we still need to break in the courses. But that's what I'm supposed to do. Yeah. I think the best way is to see it immediately report it. Yeah, I was like, I can do that. I was just hoping I could carry more when you come to the city, but it's tricky. Yeah. Thank you. Does anybody else have any roundtable letters? Okay. All right, next month, have any brown table items. All right, next month, my group we changed it to an in person. We have adoption, but we'll just say discussion. We'll discuss it again. The discussion of the transportation dashboard. And we want to do priorities, priorities, settings. What else I had put up a whole bunch of stuff on that. So we didn't get it somewhere else that we wrapped the response crew as a PA. Right. We didn't get the green and green again update. I think at this point, we were just waiting till the next threshold. Yeah, I haven't had much success in my end. I think public works is super. I mean, Tony's trying to get a lot of tight timeline on that. I need to bugle because I have heard nothing about the next steps for destroying my steps. Yeah, he's gonna take down a big tree that shields me. All right, let me try. Just, he has to do it. The looking ahead to January, I think we have, you know, 25 rules, election of chair and vice chair. Uh, we discussed virtual meeting dates at that point. Um, bike master. Yeah, we have the master plan. Um, I could put, I a good buy list. We were talking about a tablet bike share, or we was still in the Virginia. Yeah, that will be kind of put in with the bike master phone. But after that, it will become its own separate update for stations. And I think I'd suggest a park avenue. Yeah, because you should have 100, 10 things by then. Or, no, that was really bad. Okay, have a news just been. I can see where it's. Yeah, it's been a long time. Like you already mentioned reviewing the annual re-annual. The draft of the annual recording January adoption February. As it heads up, like the Indian Community Center too, the January. Since people were awarding those first few weeks, the January was booked. Thanks, we're home. You have a question about the Quinn Project. I know just went back to the planning commission. Do we know, is going to go out to that that guy go out towards the commission again? Is it? I think it's already done it. I don't think it would. Yeah, it's like that. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's it. But if you have comments, you can always send a letter. Oh, I send them to Jeff. You can also send them to the commission or do you cancel too? Oh, no, actually what I do is I just totally ask. Yes, if you're listening on the plane, maybe some significant updates. You need to be fired or okay. Yeah. So you might say it, but. updates in the future. Yeah. They might say it, but yet I have a new. I like what they did. I did too. But what I told them afterwards is you should go back and look at the comments from the boards and commissions based on the changes and just look at the comments because one of our comments was about the flow around the lobby inside the garage and ingestion at that point with the different use cases and all the changes were thinking a lot. So I think it might improve the situation in that. You know, that's it. Does anybody have anything else? Do you like hearing a motion to return? You like to hear emotions through a chart? I'm up. Second. Second. All there. Hi. We made it by one minute. We did it. We're all listening. You said it was a hard song. I