Cool We can call the meeting to order at 9.0 to a m Anyone want to approve the judge roll call first. Oh, sorry roll call Cynthia McCoy Anastasia Kightlinger Cali McDermott Lorde nice talk of Stephanie Ferguson There with Joe McDermp, Frazier. Carrie Crandell. Thank you. Now we can do the agenda. I moved to approve the minutes. No agenda agenda sorry. A second. A second. Okay. Now the minutes. Oh, all in favor? Hi. Thank you. I moved to approve the minutes. I second. All in favor? I. All right. Yeah. Cool. So. I keep on looking because I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. Okay. Now the minutes. Oh, I keep on looking because I hope we're able to put this picture that she has. Um, gorgson sculpture. This is not on, is this the one that's in front of the bank from the other one? No, it's the one at Gorgson Park that just got replaced. Okay. I thought we could talk about lip blocking those or whatever. like because we talked about the El Boa Gavi at the bank is on lease and he's gonna come pick it up at some point. But then we also have the one at Lawrence and that we discussed that it just got redone but we weren't like super-duper crazy about it. Yeah. So John Henley has one and that was the screenshot that I attached that nobody could see it's basically this one. I think it's a little bit brighter. Yeah, I really like his character. I love his work. Big fan. I mean, I don't necessarily love the place at the bank for a sculpture, just because they feel like it's kind of in the weeds. Yeah, and you have to be a member of the bank. Like, if you don't bank there, then you probably don't see it very clearly. Right, right. On the 40. Yeah, okay. Yeah. But there's already the stump for the earth cement stump for a sculpture, right?? Right there was a it's already got its base in a kind of created. Yeah so the thought would be putting this orange one at Gorinson and then taking that feather and putting it over at the bank. Sure, I think they're both the same height. it, it does. It means we're adjusting holds and both of them. It really would happen to be. Yeah, I mean, if you're just mounting in on one sculpture that one's coming off of, that's only a distinct holds the one thing that if you're moving both, it'll probably have to be adjusted for both statues, but that's become a little bit more efficient now that we've been doing this for a while. So whatever it should be easy enough to do either what if that's what you'd like to do. So we just lease this one for now and then decide later or what was his I asked him what the price on this was and he said 4800. Okay. Yeah. It does resemble the cloud buster's circle tower. I think it's over. Yeah. At the other place. Yeah. I think it's set in the budget. We have, yeah, a sculpture budget. Yeah. I just don't remember if it was like we're back in the time where we're not using a breath fire knife, right? Or whatever it was that we... We used a couple of years budget for factors to go into one large culture. That's right. That's right. That's I was like there was and I'm like yeah, that are in the park. Yeah. There is the discussion going on about using some of that budget as a possibility to correct some of these ski chairs that we've got that are after four or five years are starting to need some maintenance, not every single one of them, but most of them in a need, which is what I'm doing right now. But it's good. Yeah, I vote to move forward with getting that board and sculpture. Right and then he'll pick up that other one on the agave one. Nice, I think the thought is that, um, I just kind of need more color. And this will definitely stand out. Orange, it comes in other color. I mean, you can basically do it in any color. Yeah. Yeah, definitely red and blue in his cultures. Yeah. But he said a lot. A lot of people do red. He'll see that a lot. What an orange kind of stand out. Can you match the orange in our Frazier logo? It would be pretty similar. I think it's limited to the the stock that we use for the shopping pedal. Cool. Yeah. If we got it one that was similar to that, I think that'd be really cool. Yep. Yeah, I like it. It does seem that we sort of sub-optimized the marketing, the promotion of our sculptures. You know, we spent two and a quarter years budget for the one out there and didn't have a dedication, didn't, you know, we've announced it, but I would think we could do more and have better benefit as, you know, especially when we're spending four, five thousand bucks on something, and it's not a criticism, it's just something I think we just need to build into the system. Right. But are you talking about buying this one or just? It's a good one. Nice to meet you. It will help by the way when we have that bike park out there. Yes. Because we could, you know, even on the map of that area, we could indicate the sculptures and, you know, and mom and dad are waiting for junior to get done riding their bike. Me at the, yeah. And there, there has been talk of incorporating a piece into the park as well. As a permanent purchase, you know, it would be cool if there's some sort of space for mural too. That would be a really fun mural. They've been talking about that depending on the features. Yeah. You know, so great. I'd like to have those painted. But you want this permanently mounted at Gorenston? Uh, yes. If we decide to move forward with the purpose, I think it didn't dimensions the babes. I like Anastasia's idea about having colors that match the new logo. Remember free again. It's limited. Yeah. I think it didn't dimensions the babes. I like Anastasia's idea about having colors that match the new logo. Remember, free. Again, it's limited. Yeah. It uses, it's probably not gonna be exact. Yeah. But that's pretty similar. I mean, it's like, yeah. I think it's cool to tie it in. If we have the option, why not? But it looks like we do. And yeah, that looks like the yellow. Because we, it's like yellow and there's an orange in the logo. Mm-hmm. See? Yeah, I thought it would be kind of cool. like we do and yeah that looks like the yellow because we it's like it's like yellow and there's an orange in the logo. Yeah I thought it would be kind of cool to have him do some kind of median sculpture with like the big circle studies got and maybe that could move more. It's with razor. colors. Yeah. I feel like the circles like the side of the Midtown Cafe have some. Be pretty cool in the median. Yeah. Yeah. I like the idea of circles too, because then you can see through it traffic safety. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I really like that. Yeah. I mean, in the medians down 40, that have to go through state. Yeah, or even just the one that's right on Eisenhower would be kind of cool. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't have to be anything huge, but that we have a little more control over it. Yeah, that's just what I had that's driving through. Yeah, so look at that in the future. You should write down. Yeah, maybe when we have the crossover that will go from Clayton Court. Just going to say when we get into, if we We are able to do the signage between the town and bridge of all yards and that sort of thing, and whether it's over the road, or if it's in a median traffic circle, which is a possibility, what we could do is put out the call for entry and try and do it artistically. Yep. Yep. Very cool. Okay, so I'll get a hold of John and we'll move forward to that. I think I can't remember what he said. It took for fabrication of one of those. I think it's like a few weeks. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think that's a good spot for it to be nice and bright. Yeah. I do like the feather. I'm glad they attempted to fix it and that we're going to keep it for a little bit. Yeah, I suppose you probably show the picture. If you wanted to screen share that one. We just didn't know it was going to be wood, I think. Yeah, I went back and looked at it and it did say vinyl wrap. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's the one. Get off and screen share. I know that one. Yeah, but it looks much better. That's pretty. Like update end. So we did fix it. I think if you go to the next one it's It up fixed The next photo is it up and fixed Yeah, that looks great. So definitely brighter in there And the orange one will look really cool. Yeah, really cool. Yeah And I'll get a look at it in my office window. I don't know. I mean, I knew it's called Goren's in Park, but I did not. It's a slow-moving brain morning. When that gas station is Goren's and station, I guess. That's where. Okay. Yeah. I just like think of it as my little park that I stay at all day when I get massage. I watch everybody go to the bus stop. That's not creepy. So forget about that, we can move to Neural Fest. If we shouldn't we have a vote if we're going to spend 5,000 bucks. Yeah, she can make a better move in Anastasia's second Yeah yeah. Um let's but I'm I'm in favor. I I. Hi. There we go. Oh okay. We're so casual. We should probably. We've had to. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Do you want to announce the two new people that have now joined us? Oh, no. Yeah. Christopher, you had some. Sorry, am I meeting her and wait for me to talk? Yeah. And Steve, you're here too? Yeah. Do you want to hear it, Sharon? Oh, Steve, it's Gerald. Yeah. Okay. I didn't realize you were doing a roll call because it's okay. But before you get there. No, I've been saying that we're all just waking up from hibernation. You know, we're flying. Yes. Yeah. Okay, Mira. Yeah. So we have 21 applicants so far. Hopefully we get some more soon closes in a couple of weeks on first. Well, that that is substantially less than we've had this point in the past. Yeah. Have you all been sending it out to all the same. I have a social media ad running team. Maybe I'll increase that spend. Was it announced slightly later than it normally is? It's slightly, but not a lot. Did you send info to each of the last couple of years of participants and applicants? Yes, I can send an email when we first opened up. This says in 2023, we opened it on March 21st. Yeah, sometimes we didn't know. So it was a little bit longer. I have information about the lodging. Okay, so I brought to some people at the vintage hotel in Winter Park and I communicate with this guy, I say she's a big fan of the festival and then she asked me for a question if it was going to be a master bill or a booking link. So a master bill is like the general money account will be charged just to town of Fraser or if you wanted to give a link to every artist to pay on their own, but you are paid, right? No, it would be a link. I don't think that the town is gonna cover anything. It was just just a hope that we could cover it. Well, anyway, I thought it was going to be a master build, but it will be around 100, 31 to 125 dollars per night for two quim beds with a kitchenette. So I... That's the price. Yeah. That's the price. So that is good, right? More than... I thought it was good. And for... Yeah. So, all goes first to the third, right? And we can do all the studios, all hotel room or a combination of the two. So that's what they say. Yeah. So we are going to do a link and so like the artist had to pay then self. Okay. Yeah, not covered. Some kind of group code. Yeah. I hope that we could get some kind of discount. Thank you so much for doing that. Yeah. That hope that we could get some kind of discount. Thank you so much for doing that. Yeah, that's great. That was really, that's really supportive and helpful. So that's it. That's really good. The number of rooms. Yeah, they will have, they will have, I told them like 30 rooms. Okay. And they have them. But they will block will block it for us I don't know what is the next step is you guys wanted to work with them or you were waiting for other badges. Well I think the issue is is that we're not doing like a master payment like you told them it's basically just a discount yeah so I feel like they can open the rooms up and if they're available, then they can have them. Yeah. I feel like as soon as we decide who the artists are, then like I've let them know that they want this discount, they'll probably have to look as soon as possible. Because they would be limited to. Or a time frame that she's only open a long grapefruit July. Yeah. Yeah. And we could one of the things to tell them is we can include the information on the discount in our acceptance email. And say you have this period of time to book after which the rooms will be released. That's fairly typical in the hotel business. They won't hold it forever, but they will hold it for a window. Yeah. Yeah, so if you can ask what the window would be and, the link. And Call closes with a. I believe this one is the first. Did you see my first traffic check? That's important for her to know. Yeah, the first. Oh, May. Yeah. And so. The first of May. You send the assets. Let her. No. No. It'll probably be May 15. Around. So. Okay. If we're talkingging, I'll also add, I've reached out to gravity house. They went through a lot of managerial changes, but I did speak to them just loosely, and they said that they would honor my. My discount that I get there for being a member, but they're rate, the rooms for that weekend run from 250 to 310 a night, and they would get anywhere from 25 to 50% off. They do not have 30 rooms to have, but if we want that as another option, I'll get those details locked down and we can include it as a link unless you just want to put everyone at the vintage. I'm cool with whatever you guys decide. I mean, if they're willing to feel like options are good. Pluses go to both places. Gravity has closer classes. Yeah, we obviously have more expensive, but somebody might refer to be there. Yeah, just for like where it's located. Yeah, when fair and equity. Yeah, and I think it makes, I think it's nice for us to be like here. We got you options, you know, too So yeah. Yeah. And if it's 50% off it's 125 a night, which is great. That's good. They couldn't they couldn't really answer because they fired their main or the manager left and blah blah blah, but I'll get I'll get the information. If you think that's something you want. Okay. Back to the applications. I do think we should try to advertise a little bit more so that we do get more. I will send out another email through our past applicants. And it's great. It's usually the majority that come in in the last two weeks. So just a reminder. Yeah. So maybe we'll end up with 100 who knows. I mean, we have bad. I think what was 70. Yeah, we typically have been 70 to 80. Yeah. Okay. We, Joe and I on Monday looked at Camber's wall. He's all set to figure out set to get it all prepped and ready for. We have an understanding of the process process but how much is going to cost us still up in the air depending on What equipment I can use and what equipment I can't use and that's still slightly in flux So it could run to be you know as little as 300 you know $400 $500 to prep the wall where it could be a bit more, quite a bit more. But I need to, now that we've got it nailed down and I can go with specifics, I need to kind of look at that in a slightly different way, which I'll be doing for the next week. We'd like to have it prepped and ready by the end of May is what the agreement with that we were coming up with with him. But it's a fairly big process to prep an old building like that to get it ready for, you know, $10,000 kind of mural that's going on it. He's doing the structural stuff where we're just kind of the town is trying to cover it or we're trying to cover the cost of some of the other things and it's always more complicated than when you look at it just in broad strokes if you know what I mean just getting stuff in his pal. Kissed patio is only like three to four inches wide. The thing that I was anticipating getting and they're getting close with might be too heavy for for that kind of thing. So we might have to rent a couple of pieces of equipment. And there are a kind of thing. So we might have to rent a couple of pieces of equipment. And there are a number of stages. It's like a two or three step stage, you know, it's going to take about two to three weeks a day, not every day for two or three weeks. But takes a day to do this and then a week later a day to do this and then a week later a day to do that. And so it's it's in very much fluctuation right now, but it's certainly possible to do. But he's on board. He's got I texted him that information on who to fix and patch his windows that you know he wants to kind of have taken off the thing. The only big difference is he'd he expressed the desire to have animals, but I told him here gets input into what the final design is. Anyway, and he wants it to wrap around the corner and go to his back patio. So he wants it from the wall in front to wrap around to a small wall that's on the back that faces the food truck that's going to be built there now. So that won't be as seen by the public as much. But if it is a wrap around much as the vicious cycle, you know, which we did about the same thing, that was a little more visual, but this will just kind of create a little more ambience for the downtown kind of area. And Nick is very easy to work with, so that always helps a great deal. You definitely wanted it to say enjoy Frazier as well. Somewhere or Fra yeah, Frazier tag He's not anxious to have another big moose though so that he can say do you know come to the brewery with the elk Not the most As he's talking to be fair. Yeah, that makes sense They're fine our breweries by animals We have a theme going in town with animals. I would think it. Yeah, and I certainly think that lends itself towards the idea of what this year's event is going to be, you know, with wild at heart. You definitely see animals of the same way. On most of the murals, we're not all of them. Yeah. But it was a very easy, very easy, kind of good meeting. But we do have a little bit of work to get it ready to make it presentable. It will be completely painted over the, with by the end of May, that mural will no longer exist, so that it will be kind of this opaque, healing, kind of thing. It'll be a flat canvas for the next mirror. Let's be able to go with off of. I wonder if we with Nick's permission. Okay. Once we cover that up, if we can put up a sign that says, you're all fastable, we do five. This will be, you know, a new mural, you're all coming. Yeah. To the generally, pulling a banner across it, trying to paint it with a stencil that Yeah, I'm really looking too much work, mural coming. Right. To the generally, a banner is across it, trying to paint it with a stencil that we're a little too much work, but hanging a banner across it, what's it's a flat color and so that it really pops out on the thing and this will be, you know, mural best the dates and this will be the commission, you know, that'll have kind of, that's what that's it might. I mean, that alone is worth $5,000. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, he was definitely open to having a banner. Cool. He's open to most almost every I have a question. Do we have any kind of a materials list? either the form of types of paints that people have typically used in the past for these murals that we can provide? And I bring this up because I'm in another artist group, and there's been a lot of discussion about what kind of impact tariffs may have on the cost of art supplies and paints and all that. So do we have anything that we can provide to people for us to use? Artists use their own median. This is the same time. Now we've, I think that we can encourage them to use more durable pieces, but it's certainly been a flexible kind of thing because each artist works in, you know, some will work in just spray, some will work in paint and spray, some will work in just paint And so it kind of depends on the individual who wins the award what they feel most comfortable with But I think that we have a responsibility to try and encourage them to use something that is more durable as well And which we have found with like the benches and with this particular mural the surface surface that it was on was not crap to have time. And it's only lasted, I think, what is it, four years, five years? The schools are the six. You know, I've been here, yeah, I'm at my sixth anniversary and he came in after I was here. So it's five, five and a half. But the surface area was not prepped ahead of time and that made a huge difference. But as far as median that they work in, that's kind of been left up to whoever wins the competition at that time. But that might be a consideration in who wins that kind of piece as well. But it's certainly a consideration. Or we could look at, we give them a stipend. We're at the expense. Right. But maybe changing it next year, if prices go up for materials. Right. OK. And is there an expectation? And folks, the tariff stuff changes by a minute. It does. So I frankly think we should just plow ahead. Yeah. Yeah. OK. And then is there an expectation for the longevity of the murals that people are painting? Well, you know, it should it be expected that, you know, when they are, because they're sold off, right? Or auctioned off? Those murals that the individual ones? Yes. No, there is no expectation for that. Okay. You buy it with the understanding that you'll amount it. If you mount it inside, it's going to last longer than if you mount it outside. Okay. We have trouble getting them just to be picked up let alone what their expectation on how long they will last. Okay. I didn't know if they were. A lot of it depends upon how somebody who's had several. If you put it in a shady spot and you cover it with a urethane or something, They last for years and years and years and years. If you put it in direct sunlight and don't do anything, you'll... in a shady spot and you cover it with a urethane or something, it may last for years and years and years and years. If you put it in direct sunlight and don't do anything, you'll be lucky if it's not peeling by the end of the summer. And we give that advice. Okay. And that was a time when we put a sealant coat on it, but that presented problems in and of itself with people thinking that the color had changed on their thing or that, you know, with know with really fine eye that there were other things but so no we just give them the mural that they buy and then it's up to them however they'd like to preserve it. Okay okay that's useful thank you. But with a little bit of work and good placement they can I've taken them last for years. Oh yeah. I mean, one of the first ones is still hanging on a house, you know, a can last for years. Oh, yeah. I mean, one of the first ones is still hanging on a house, you know, a laying house over here, the dumps, Susie. Yep. That's definitely still looking great. Yeah, yeah. But it's hanging on the north side. Right, it's hanging on the other side. I don't think 20, Susie. Yeah. That is also one of the reasons we have to paint a flat plane because the sealant that will go on to this mural to prep it will be you you know, you can be damaged by that. So we're going to try and take all the steps we can to make sure that this one lasts as long as it possibly can. Okay. Yep. Amber and the distillery I think are aiming to be at the award ceremony. Um, through Penny smoothies what's going to come as well for hanging around town. And I don't think I have anything that we need to do at the moment. We'll get volunteer stuff going soon. And I did have wanted to item two. Last year we had discussed that we have a secondary building that has a fading mural on it that is not a very large building. But it is a building that could be offered as a secondary jury prize or a, you know, or we could just contract necessarily with one of the muralists that we really like who maybe doesn't win anything this year. But we had talked about the possibility of trying to get the small corner building that's on the other side of the row of tracks right on Eisenhower and Pioneer that leads, is the main turn off to go to the grade school. That small gardener building is a town building. It has a mural on it, but it's made it significantly over the years. And it is certainly an opportunity to kind of. It was thought of as possible, but it was too late last year to kind of put it in as a secondary kind of commission. But it's something that we should just put on our radar for, you know, at the moment. It's a little offbeat to make it a major prize, like the 10,000, on the main drive or behind the school or some, you know, the other things we've done, but it's certainly something that could be addressed possibly by PAC, if not, then we'll address it, you know, in another way. But... Well, But similarly with the advent of the more frequent train service, it would seem like beautification of that station building would be an important thing for us to do. Maybe we wrap the two things together. Yeah, the one that has that painted doors already too. Yeah, that's a private. Yeah, it's Ron, but he's usually pretty open to things like that. He has been, yeah. Maybe a couple of years. Yeah, I mean, most of the businesses we've been are trying to. There is a private. They are allocating some money for the updating of a number of those stations as they develop the process as well. And the town now has a grant system for signage and for beautification and so forth. So while we've always historically constrained ourselves just to the pack budget, I think there's ample opportunity because we haven't spent all of that money despite a number of applications this year. So there's other avenues. Okay. I just, that's why I figured I would bring it up here. There was more information than I would have. But it is something that is better to try and have addressed sooner or later. And Joe, is this the one next to the leading planeter? No, it's the Gardner Show, like right on. Just read it. Got it. The elevation on it, 85%. and A couple of flowers painted on it. It's a fairly original, treasure build, yeah. But it is fading, you know, because of the EV so significantly. And the gardeners would love to see, you know, some kind of, you know, beautification done to it. But it did come up last year. This is really the only reason I'm bringing it up again this year. I feel like we could probably look at the budget. And like Joe said, while we have a muralist here, a muralist, and you say ask if they can stay up, you know, pick out one of our favorites. Even if they don't win something, this might give a chance for them to, you know, because we all know that some of our favorites don't win. And it has historically not won. good. I want my favorites to win. Having packed input into it just keeps a consistency in vision. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I love that idea of, you know, seeing if somebody wants to stay on, gets get to really smart. Yeah. I love that building. I think it's so cute. I was literally admiring it when I was driving in today. So, I'm going to tell me it was the first library in time. I'm really. Oh, wow. That's hilarious. It is no longer that nice inside. The outside could be nice. It's not store books in there. Yeah. sure there wasn't anything. For next year, I really think that train station would be a useful thing to do. And there's that motor Sure there wasn't any. Yeah. But for next year, I really think that training that station would be a useful thing to do. And there's a rich history here of railroads. Oh, yes. Yeah. That's who Doc Susie used to administer to as much as anybody up here. Yep. Get back to it. But I think she should look more like what was her name from Pianner medicine woman. Dr. Quinn. Dr. Quinn. They're looking for like Dr. Quinn and Dr. C. If you're going to fix somebody. Bond girl. Joan, I also talked about the ski chairs and we've been doing that for a couple of years. So I think that we should make a choice and do that this fall. And we can kind of advertise for that during the mural fest, but if September is a good month to move forward. Because me enough time to prep, that means the problem that happened with them the first time is they just weren't prep. They were just pated and thrown out there. So no matter what media you use, some of them held really, really well, and others have just completely fallen apart. But prioritizing five, six, not every single one of them needs to be addressed really, really soon, but the majority of them do. Well, and we did mention that maybe even doing that small building could be at the same time as everyone's doing the ski chairs Right, so So what's the strategy for that? They must be painted almost all of them must be painted in place Okay Because of the way that they're mounted And there's one that's a very one that probably needs to be disposed of, and we have a backup to go into that place. It's already prepped and ready to kind of go. But that is in flux as well, because the town may actually build, because the mayor lives close to that bus stop, the town may be building something, or the bus, hopefully the bus company because that's a private enterprise, may be building a more permanent, much like Gorenzen Park's bus stop. It would be something similar going into that corner on Old Vic Drive and I think it's El Grant Road that's right over on the other side. We could have John Henry. But to pop back to something you were saying earlier, if you're thinking of medium, medium kind of thing, one of the for a sculpture, one of the places that we would have more control over as opposed to the median and town, and also gets a lot of visibility now because of the way traffic is routed, is the large roundabout that is over by the is over in Clarksville kind of close to the one to the Winter Park area. All kinds of buses go around it, a huge amount of people coming out of Winter Park go right around that. And it is the town of Frazier. We control the streets there. And it's a large median that wouldn't have to be, you wouldn't have to worry about encroaching on, you know, lanes and those kind of things. Because as we talked about banners and down the medians, sir, and I were looking the other day, you know, we have to be very careful and there's state regulations have to be 15 feet high. They can't go out and, you know, there's a lot of things to consider. But that is a place that would showcase really strongly and lots of development, lots of people in the hospital now, Oh that stuff, but that is a place that would showcase really strongly and lots of development, lots of people, the hospital now, all of that stuff. But it has a lot of clearance around it, so it'd be relatively safe place to put something in well. And since you, it's a good idea, but it's a little easier for us to control that one. And we'll show you we're getting all this involved, the locations of the chair, some of my which ones at the priori. So we'll start working on that and um yeah. I was going to send it to Halle and we can make a decision on which ones and then send them on from there. How did you do it before when you got artists? I feel like that was before my time. It was a little a little bit of a slightly before my time. So you're not gonna have to tap, just kind of hit, or this. before my time. It was a little bit but slightly before my time. So you know, half just kind of picked artists, like local people, or submitted applications. It was generally all locals. There was a call for there was a call for entry. I think it was a 150 to $250 per chair. Was the stipend you brought your own materials kind of thing? And then they chose the artist that they wanted to have kind of do that, you know, from the specific kind of places. At that time, though, I think most of them were, were mobile. So they could come to, they came behind the shop and painted most of them and then they were out in kind of, I remember them getting painted. Planted from, you know, planted from there. But I think it was a stipend of like a 150 to 250, something like that per chair that the artist makes. The 50s and things out in my mind is what it was. Yeah. And so, but since they've been mounted, like I said, in most cases it's very, very difficult to move. So they're easier to paint them in place at this point in time. So an idea is when we do the mural festival, we'll have 30 artists here. We... difficult to move in so they're easier to pant them in place at this point in time. So an idea is when we do the mural festival, we'll have 30 artists here. We go around and you know if somebody's from Florida they're not going to come back and do that, but the majority of them are coloradans and so we could try and sign them up and tell them you know we're going to pay X number of dollars. If you come up for weekend you could could do three chairs. And then we could have our majority of our chairs lined up with an artist. Yeah. The one that's still appitated is their way to restore it. Is it the chair? Yeah, I realize that for it. OK. But I hate to get rid of the one that's's, we have to evaluate the amount of time it would take to do it as opposed to the amount of, you know, what we could actually get out of it. But it will be looked at to try and do that to. Why then maybe turn around and sell it for auction? No, there will save it for a backup for others. Because the way we have to plow, you know, there will be others that will be destroyed, you know, would find. So having a backup is not a bad idea. But it's, there's a lot of dismantling. And then you have to get giant presses to try and bend up. There's a lot to it that doesn't appear right on the surface. As I say, every job is easy till you do it. Yeah, and there's eventually going to be a bus stop on Clayton Court. So it'd be great if we have a couple of reserved, safe one for that. We've got one right now, but again, like I said, it may not be replacing the one that's beat up because they might do expanded kind of version. I also thought that Clayton Court they might actually do it. Yeah, that's true. We do it nicer. Yeah. Like the. They're more important since brilliant. Yeah, that is fantastic. A really smart piece. Yep. And it's so subtle. It is right there. You don't get that's all by the way. Yeah. Which is why I loved it when the globe was out of it. It was made of the same material and in a very different application. That wasn't part of the sculpture program for the bus stop. No, no. I think that I don't know where that came from, but it was not associated with Pag at all. And the artist was hard. And it grew through a two-stage period, I believe, as well, under the design. Yeah. Yeah, I was able to find a sky high article on it years ago. Yeah, I was trying to find a language, but it was pretty far back. Who did that? Yeah. So back to the mural fest artists. You're going to send the reminder to pass participants and applicants. You've got a thing going out on socials. I just bumped up the ad spend. I've doubled it basically. So, hopefully that'll reach more people. And I'm just going to post about it more. And I think we should just say Eric Vandernaul. You want to come back and do a big deal. Do it. Talk yourself out of. In call for entry deadline is May 1st, you said May 1st. Yeah. And then we meet on May 8th. Do we want to go in and vote if needed on by the 7th? Definitely. Yeah. I'll try to send it out on the 2nd. And then you'll have those few days. And if you amongst us have yet to do that process, reviewing the applicants? You want to just describe what we do? Yeah, yeah. I'll send you your own login code to get into cafe, but it'll essentially just have every artist and all of their photos. You can look through on a slideshow and then at the end of the slideshow gives you a one through seven vote. We have previously tried to reserve the sevens for, you know, top favorites and stuff like that. But then when we all come together, every artist will have an average number of our votes and that's what we'll go through to choose. And what we typically do is there will be a cluster that everybody loved and they're pretty much in and there'll be a cluster that nobody loved and they're pretty much out. You spend most of our time in the discussion on the middle. It will take you if we if we have 60 70 applicants it will take you a couple of hours to look through that. So just plan then sometime between the second and the sixth, spending a few hours on your computer. You can do a portion of it, save it. You do have to save after entering each score. The look is right there next to it. And it's fun. And you get it and then we'll come in and discuss the ones that are in the middle. Okay. Yeah, there's his base for comments too. Yep. And there's always a couple of reserves because some people won't be able to make the time for it. Yeah, even if they are chosen. Yeah, we've had a few dropout even closer to the day. So we definitely have a way to wrap it up. Had a few dropout after the first day of painting. That's a bizarre. had a few drop out after the first day of painting. Bizarre. That's happened. You guys came, started his painting and disappeared. Yes. We're not saying anything to anybody. I did email him afterwards and ask a chat. Everything was okay. Then he had some health issues. So yeah, which does not. Well, I'm glad he didn't go like missing missing. That's a plus. Now we had one one year that I was exactly calling the hospital. I'm sorry. Their mural had flipped out here. They're muraling on down. Oh, why? And last year we didn't have one blown down mural, which was a record. Yeah. But they're mural at this young woman. And then nobody knew where she was. so I was trying to find out if she had been injured and some other things. That was a slight moment of panic. I bet she was so I was trying to find out if she had been injured and some other things. That was a slight moment of panic. But she was fine. She just came back for a coffee. Okay, sorry to circle back to the ski chairs, but it actually gave me an idea. I think there might be an opportunity here if we're doing ski chairs this year, maybe next year. What about painting the ugly bear proof garbage containers around town? Putting something on those. I know they didn't my hometown years ago. Yeah, so as they have this, they can leave the room to say recycle and trash on either, you know, on the, on the appropriate things. I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. Yeah. Okay. Her first of all, you'd have to do most of them black. It would be a stinky endeavor. Maybe, but yeah, you'd have to use what in animal paints because they're most likely. Yeah, they couldn't be propped very much. Right. So you have like a rubber rubberized kind of coating on them. Okay, but some of them are getting into shapes, you know, that they need to be addressed for sure. I mean, I do like that the cities have the power boxes painted. Yeah. I don't think we have too many of those, but there's a few, and most of them were no good anymore because most of them were old phone lines. Well, then maybe they should be good. But we have plenty of garbage cans and we've got them spread all over the place and you know where they are. And it's a pretty quick paint, you know, some of them are double, some of them are singled, but it would be nice to pull them all uniform, you know, into a sense of uniformity being painted. And easy enough to do. Okay. Do you have anything else that we want to do? So did you talk to the sidewalk dude sidewalk chopper artist? I did reach out to, assessment for now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. For now. Philip Bernal was the trotterist and yeah and I hadn't known that before. Yeah so I asked him if he would be interested in coming up to do that but I think he said his day rate is like 400 bucks a day plus lodging. I don't think I feel like that's not crazy because this other guy, we'd have to like pay for his trips. To come here? Yeah. And all of that too. Sounds like we can get $125 room. So he also said that he does water-based temper paint instead of chalk, which holds up a lot better, and it eventually washes away. And the idea here is, I think we showed some of these a few meetings ago, but the idea is in the week preceding the mural festival, we would have this artist who comes and just does little cute figurines and funny little doodles all over town. So like there's a sidewalk crack this guy from Ann Arbor or Philip would be able to incorporate that into his whimsical art and that would give Sarah an opportunity to promote that extends people's visitation and also as they walk from mural to mural on the days of the mural festival, they'll come across these things and it would add to the experience without a whole lot of money. Right. Yeah, and I mean, if we do it the week before, I mean obviously the paint would be better than the chalk. And Philips wanted our Frazier Valley artist members. So yeah, it would take one big thunderstorm in the way that's chalk, right? Just a matter of time. Yeah. The last time you saw a five minute down here, right? Yeah. He does say he does 3D pieces. That's cool. I love that. I love those. Yeah, I mean I can check. One of those a few others. It could be an interesting little treasure hunt. Yeah, they don't really like me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen some of these. There's There's some incredible. You're fun and done. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. And I really think it fits. Yeah, I've seen some of those here. There's some incredible. You're like, you're fun. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. And I really think it fits the spirit of the mural, the festival too, which is flying. You're going to be like, scratchy to it. Yeah, that's the one that he had on. Whoa. Chalktoberfest. It's kind of cool. Oh, wow. Wow. That definitely looks. folks real. It's like it's extending right up. Yeah, that's great. It's not true by the way, actually. I got so sick and nervous about the boiling the frog thing. I did it. They hopped right out. You're like, I need to know. I was living in a house in Ann Arbor, where we had a bunch of frogs. I went out to the pond, I grabbed three of them, I put them on a little Coleman stove and you know the thing like that. I was gonna turn it off if it didn't do it but they just jumped out. It got warm and they jumped out. Yeah, it's super hot. It's like you got barbecue. I'm not massacres to say it is not I'm curious. There we go. That's so cool. He did say they were interactive. Which is really funny. because they're a sadist, not a good curious. And they were, there we go. That's so cool. He did say they were interactive, which is really fun. Yeah, you can like stand on it, like you skateboarding. Oh my god, that's cool. That'd be fun. Yeah, so I don't know how long it takes me to do that. That's what I'm next to. If they're interactive, too, though, like that'll be good like social media. 100% yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Will you reach out to him again in my copy of the end so we can yeah I can forward you this or we can figure out what we want to present to him and see how many he can do and one big winner a number of small ones kind of. But that week before one of the things is to ask him is how much prop needs to kind of happen to it because that week before we're putting everything that you know, all hands into getting the fast ready. So if he needs a lot of prop stuff, but if he can do it himself, it's fine. Just don't care. But it is something to consider and that we lead. Maybe around the town park because then it could be through the summer for the concerts and that's where our awards park is. The sidewalk. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure how. We have a lot of concrete, moral art, though, which will be really. Yeah, that would be really cool. Opportunity in place to do to do it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And probably on the sidewalk to the east side, where you walk up towards the HTA building. Yeah. Because that's that sort of long stretch, where we don't have a lot of murals. So if there's something halfway there, that would in-living experience. Yeah, and like in front of simple panel of things and really loud, you're bad at it. And I mean, where we had to input that last year on the computer with the grade, yeah, single, yeah. There's definitely a lot of spots. Good, Goronson. If that's where you're gonna put the information to. What's your? Three. I've got an exciting sidewalk over there. Well, let's see first if we can do it. Many. Yeah. OK. Thanks. Yep. Cool. Logan. Great. That's like what, you know, this got exciting side work to do. Well, let's see first if we can do it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Cool. We'll get back to him. Anything else for the grain of good? From. Not super important or have anything to do with us, but I think Rebecca is going to try to do the fab market that Sunday. So we might email them when we accept artists. So I'm going to encourage them to stick around. Yeah, but they will have to fill out a business license, which is 20 bucks through the town. So yeah. And they, that has to be done way in advance. It can't be like a... Not since they're waiting advance, but like... We couldn't be like, hey, stick around. Like on Friday and be like, here's your license. You know, like give me something like that. I mean, I can put that all. You do it like, in the online before. Yeah, yeah, there's stuff all over. Yeah, and I'm saying like, could you do it same day? that there's somebody last minute decided. Get approval for it. No, probably not. But there's insurance on there's there's a number of things. I mean, we have a few days. It's probably would want to bring other stuff anyway. that's been decided. Get approval for it. No, probably not. There's insurance on there's there's a number of things. I mean, we have a few days. Probably would want to bring other stuff anyway. Yeah. So it's like an artist in cell. And if they're Colorado based, they probably already have a color of a license to sell. So then they don't have to do the freezer one. So just before like out of towners selling that. but that Sunday being the third I believe so okay because it was talked about doing it the same weekend as rebel in the park which was the next weekend well and she could do another one too it has I mean fab market is her thing I don't I don't feel like we have anything to do with that so she wants to do two weekends in a row I don't want to be like that's fine she might get the same artists or different artists so we'll definitely have to think about placing those kind of between me or others. Okay, how many do you have? So. Yeah. Anybody have any other questions or business? I have a quick phone. I'm going to get her. So moved. Second. All in. All right. Thank you everybody. I'm going to move to the next session. All right.