Well, good evening, everyone. I'd like to call the March 25 meeting to order. And let's start with roll call. Mr. Lucas? Here. Mr. Brooks. Here. Mr. Hess. Here. Mr. Blagden. Here. Mr. Huss. Here. Mr. Brooks. Here. Mrs. Hess. Here. Mr. Blagden. Here. Mr. Spinoza. Here. And Tom here. And oh, by the way, I just wanted to let you all know I missed the last meeting because I was recovering from pneumonia. So I didn't think it'd be a good idea to be here. But I'm all good now. We're going to be a month and a half to recover. See, hold on a minute. Okay, would you please stand for the flag salute? salute and Mr. Espinoza would you lead us please? I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. I hope you will be here. one nation under the end of the law with liberty and justice. Public comments Mr. Rafferty do we have? Currently don't have any public comments. Okay. And we move on to the consent calendar, the minutes of the February 25th meeting, item number five. Are there any comments or corrections? Move approval. Second. Okay, we have a move to approve by Mr. Blackden and a second by Miss Hess and I will take a vote. Go approve Mr. Blackden. Yes. Missess. Yes. Mr. Lucas. Mr. Brooks. Yes. I've been out of the city now, since I wasn't here, but I did watch the meeting later on TV Moving to item number six and monthly community development Department status report for February 20 2025 Have you all had a chance to review it? Any questions or comments for Mr. Woodridge? Okay, hold on a minute, Ian. Let me give a little report on it. I can run through the numbers real quick. Okay. In the month of February, we issued a love in building permits for a little bit over $80,000 in permit valuation and took in just over a little under $10,000 in permit fees. There were three co-inforcement complaints that came in during February. Co-inforcement officers closed four cases. issued four-stop work orders and closed five unpermitted construction cases. Planning wise, it says like no applications, no projects approve. We did take in a couple of applications, but they were more related to like address assignments and like for meter pedestals and things like that. So nothing really development related, so I didn't include those with that since it's more just process of getting addresses out to meters and one of those is for our soon to be new signal at avocado crest in Hossie, in a road. So those are the numbers for the month. If you have any questions, have an answer. Mr. Black, did you had a question or a comment? Thank you. Yeah, but we always kind of look at the permit fees compared to the valuation. Sometimes they seem high. One of them brought that file 25 108 509 avocado pressed. The valuation was 500 and the fee was 318, which is over 60% of the valuation. And a number of them were over 10%, but the 60% one stood out, which I was wondering why that might be. You know, I don't know that one off the top of my head. We could look into it and let you know a little more as to what that pervert was for. Then on un-dermitted construction, open cases, one of the things I've noticed over the years is that the un-dermitted construction tend to be people who just bought their house. And I notice that on this, the last three there, they're all recent sales. That is all I have. You know, I may be able to answer the question about the permit fee because when you pull a permit, you might only be changing for electrical plugs, but it's a fee just for issuing the permit. I think last time, electrical is like $119. That was a couple years ago. So there's just a basic feed. It's like when you pay your water bill, you have a basic feed for your meter and that could be part. Yes, and that's actually one of the things, hopefully, when you get to online permitting that the permit issue and space should basically trend towards zero. Usually you complain that people don't pay enough permit fee, so you're like turning a new leaf here. I'm sorry. By making it online and you enter the information yourself, or it auto fills the fields, then the issuance cost should tend to at zero, because there's not much staff time involved in it. Any other comments or questions? Any questions for our city manager? Okay. So we just receive and file this, right? We don't need a motion to approve this. No, you're fine to receive a file. Okay. Moving right along to item seven. Review of the landscaping, fuel modification and fencing standards. Mr. Rafferty, I shouldn't call you Mr. Rafferty, Mr. Wateridge.. I don't know if it's a lot of things that we have to do. I don't know if it's a lot of things that we have to do. I don't know if it's a lot of things that we have to do. I don't know if it's a the planning commission level related to landscaping and fencing and a couple of items went to the city council for recommendation to initiate a code amendment and one of those was related to fencing standards and allowing a solid block wall in the front property of properties. So as part of that discussion there was some discussion at council they sent some comments back to the commission At our last planning commission meeting commissioners had a good robust discussion related to the potential for allowing Solid-fencing within the front yard area so along street frontages With a process of potentially looking at a standards modification that would be approved by the planning commission So if somebody's going to go through that process, they're going to obviously commit some time and some effort to be able to make it all the way through that process. Come to this board and get a decision to that. Our vice chair was very appreciative to her for being able to kind of go through and take those comments and to still add down into some language. So she has provided some language and there was also a little bit of discussion related to Chamberlain fencing and areas that potentially allow or do not allow Chamberlain fencing. She has also provided us with sort of a list of some communities in and around our area that have some regulations related to Chamberlain fencing and lung fencing and allowing and not allowing in those particular jurisdictions. So the commission can have an idea of some of those cities that prohibit chain link fencing altogether and some that prevent it, prohibit it in the front yard areas of properties as well. So I might turn it over to our vice chair has and she could probably give a little additional background. So at the last planning commission meeting we talked about the fact that the City Council had reviewed our proposed amendment to the Fencing Statute and they said they didn't really seem that excited about making any significant changes. It's specifically with respect to walls. That was what we were initially trying to get past was something where people could build a wall in front of their house as long as it was tastefully built with masonry materials and maybe a decorative cap. But they really weren't amenable to anything like that. They did indicate that they would be okay with changing the fencing statute to prohibit certain types of materials like wood and vinyl. So given that limited agreement, I'd said that I would go back and add those changes, propose changes to this statute and send it back to them. There was also some discussion about chain link fencing and some of the people in city council seemed okay with potentially banning chain link fencing in the front yard or anything facing the street. Not everybody was really sold on that so in the interest of maybe providing some guidance about what other cities do you know obviously it just depends on the city. Not everybody bans chain link fencing but a lot of them do do. So I came up some examples of some other Southern California cities that have prohibitions against chain link fencing in their codes so that we can send it back to them for their other discuss. Mr. Blackdon also has tonight submitted some additional proposed changes that I think he would like to discuss as well. Thank you Yeah, I did I was reviewing because I just got back in town late last night So I did review it and read it with mr. Rafferty So I have some questions at the end and I haven't had a chance to I did not receive this So this this is the first I see so, would you like to go through your list, Mr. Blighten? Thank you. I made these suggested changes based on the council, as Laura said, they were both sides on chain link fencing, chain link fencing someone to stay. And then they also wanted to have standards modification for certain walls. So starting from the top, must be located on subject property. I put that because it seems people put the fence on C right away, so I just thought should be spelled out on the subject property. Then same prohibition, vinyl fiber glass and wood fences except as otherwise noted. And then the last month is drive around. I've been taking notice of the chain link fences and notice there's all and over, covered with tarps and things. So I put in that there must be landscape except with tarps, privacy slats or similar materials. And the council mentioned that they didn't want chain link for new construction. So they put chain link fencing, praided for new construction, after August first, which I figured is probably around when it would be approved, that can always be changed. And then for standards modification, for solid walls, seemed to me the reasonable reason to have one is if you live on Cassie and her harbor and have noise coming in. So, let... And it seemed to me the reasonable reason to have one is if you live on Hacienda or Harbor and have noise coming in. So a standard modification to reduce noise for properties on Hacienda or Harbor. And then for the masonry walls, houses, the code says that things should be Earth-chome but seem to see a lot of white ones. So I put masonry walls, shall be finished in earth-tone materials compatible with the surroundings, white or primary colors are prohibited. And the ones with multiple front yard setbacks, it said setback 10 feet from the edge, which is kind of like definitive, but really a minimum of 10 feet makes more sense. And walls and fences adjacent to roadways have developed areas of adjacent parcels, must set-be setback additional 3 feet to provide room for required landscaping. The code requires landscaping of walls and fences. And if you put a wall on the property line, the net will forces the neighbor to be the one who landscapes it. So I moved it in three feet to allow room for the landscaping. And then looking at other cities, codes I thought I'd add, because we do have switch rail fences. So I put switch rail fences up to four feet of height, constructive materials with at least a class B fire rating. And there are class B rated wood rails and vinyl. So those small amounts I, reasonable to include if they have the class B fire ratings. And then based upon my observations, all fences and walls adjacent to roadways and adjacent parcels shall be maintained in good repair. And then this is what I saw. And I think it was rolling hills.. No person shall construct or maintain 80, no Malibu. Any gator fence which opens, out would remain open, out would over any public street. That would seem to be common sense, but I thought it included. And then for the standards modification for a solid wall offence and Hosse Ender-Hobber, the additional finding would be the solid wall offence is necessary to reduce objectionable traffic noise, provided plans show a design compatible with the existing home, maintaining the neighborhood character in a landscape plan, providing for minimum 50% screening within five years, which is what the code requires. And then I referred it to the other code section which talks about fencing. And then that bottom on optional language was something I saw which maybe is birth discussing all fencing and closing more than a half acre of residential zone parcel, still the open, permeable, non-viewed scaring. And then the other code section on fences 7, 11, 50B. We just added the same on the subject property for the fences and referred it to the 7, 1840L so that they would see those. And because we're allowing the standards modification, I added it into the table of standards modifications in Article 719. That is it. Thank you. Other comments? I'll start Mr. Lucas. Yeah I guess my one comment would be I see it kind of spills it out that for the standards of occasion it would only be applied to Hussineroid and Harbor Boulevard. I guess the question is do we want to restrict it at this point just to those two or keep it more open for certain situations if it's on West or East or other high traveled roads as well. So I'm not sure if you're in this or you want to. Yeah, that's open for discussion. Yeah, sorry. My one comment at this point. Mr. Brooks. I agree. When I lived on avocado crest, my house was fairly close to the street and below the street and the street noise was pretty loud. And I came to the city and wanted to put up a wall and they wouldn't let me. I ended up putting up a probably illegal wood fence. I told them what I was doing. And it did help. So I agree that it needs, I don't know that we should make it specific to certain streets. I don't know that we need the section that says no person shall construct or maintain a gate that opens outward onto the street because we already have it in the code that a gate has to be a minimum of 20 feet from the edge of the property line. Is it the property line or is it the pavement? Right away, yeah, from the street edge. the street edge.. So I doubt somebody's gonna have a bigger than 20 foot gate that can swing out and actually cross onto the street. But other than that, I'm okay with most of the furniture in here. So that's all my comments, thanks. Mr. Espinoza, do you have any comments? Only to say that I agree with Mr. Lucas that we shouldn't restrict it to Harvard and Halsienda because there are noisy streets east and west are good examples of high traffic streets that might need an exemption. Mr. Chess, now this is a lot of a rework of what you've written, how do you feel about all this? I'm fine with it. I just, you know, my only comment I guess would be that given the fact that the City Council didn't seem too keen on making any amendments to the fencing code, I think the more complicated we make it. Chances are probably lower that they're actually going to vote in favor of it. But I think there's a good idea to throw out. So it opens up a discussion for them. And I'm fine with his verbiage. Okay. Well, you know my commas would be that I was at the City Council meeting and really only one person objected to a solid masonry wall. And that was Councilman Steffler and what I recall only one councilman was against the chain and not allowing chainling fences because he thought it would you know, that's affordable and let people do that and that was councilman and Zuzula. And I agree with you, I look at all this and good work Mr. Blaglan on this, but I feel there's a little bit too complicated. I think we should make the code a little simpler. I agree that you can't limit this fencing, solid fencing just to Hacienda and Harbor. And one question I have for you, Mrs. Hasse-Hasse-Hanier. I look at this on the 718.40. It says, the last line, no wood, vinyl, or fiberglass walls shall be permitted. So we're not really permitting allowing a solid block wall because you'd have to get the city council one person was against it so we can't have that in the front yard unless this is approved and you get a standard mod which I think is a little excessive to go through the process what What's a standard modification? What like $3,000 now? A deposit of $3,500. $3,500. So we're going to ask, you know, somebody has just come into the city or an existing home, a paid $3,500. So the city and get put story pulls up so you can build a solid block wall fence. And I don't agree that you have to submit a landscaping full on landscaping plan to show what you can, you know, maybe something simple. I just hate complicating thing and you're absolutely right. We couldn't get the city council to go along with this commission on some simple changes. And now we make it this much more complicated. I think it's going to be a tough road ahead for any changes to be honest with you and over the years and I'm sure Mr. Black then remembers whenever we put something to the council and if it becomes too complicated it's better not to do something. People are a little bit resistant to change sometimes. So I'd like to make this as simple as possible. Maybe in a way, maybe you too can get the weather and whittled is down to something that's a little bit more presentable or maybe Mr. Woodridge you could Because if we send all this to them they're just gonna go oh and We're not gonna get anywhere I'd really like to be able to see Solid walls allowed as long as their landscape and there you know I don't want purple purple block walls up I was in you have that in here with the colors. But I'd like to be a little bit more reasonable and at this point it looks it says no wood vinyl or fiber less wall shall be permitted and you might as well add no block walls either right. So what can we do? You're going to wrap your, your fencing is going to be rot iron around your property. That's overly restrictive to me. So with that if anybody has any comments about this because I mean what kind of fencing, like wood fencing, that could be tasteful. I just did a tour of the Eaton fire area and it was just shocking to me. Heart wrenching really. And it was the weirdest thing that one block that I went both sides of the street were totally destroyed. But there was a cedar or redwood fence. It looked like nothing had touched it. I couldn't believe it. You would think a wood fence would burn, right? Especially when the whole block is devastated. So maybe the reason could you tell me why the reason the no wood fencing is it more of a fire? Why we have no wood fencing? Because you can do some very tasteful wood fences and I think it would go with the character of some of our homes I mean you wouldn't put a wood fence if you're building a modern house Like the house up on avocado crest. I just got finished. You wouldn't put a wood fence there, but So anyway to recap I think there's just too many restrictions Then just city council were rejected and I think we ought to allow more fencing than just raw dire which is basically how I read this now. Am I missing something? No, I think the issue with wood was not aesthetics. I think it was just the fact that it's a combustible material and so people had concerns given the nature of the pipe risk fire area that we're in. And as far as the walls are concerned, I watched the city council hearing where they had a discussion about this and I think it was Greg Stethler and Carol Engelhart that were both pretty adamant against walls. And then Norms Zulu was against prohibiting anything with chain link fencing. But, let's see, unfortunately, the City Council wasn't privy to the discussions we had. They just got a thing, hey, we wanna prove block walls in the front yard set back. And I think I went up at the end and spoke to that, the reason why the Planning Commission made it. then it was kind of the wheel I said and said in motion to no block walls, you know, so Any ideas how we can go forward with the blinding? I just wanted to respond a couple of your comments Yeah, the The wood is flammable. The code already prohibits wood fences. If there's anything combustible within 10 feet. Fiberglass, I guess if that's nonflammable, there's some interesting fiberglass fences. And then the less approved by a standards modification, you could just leave it as to reduce noise. I think the feeling is that the solid block wall is a blight, so they need to be landscaped and have a purpose other than I want a block wall. And, you were mentioned about the standards modification being expensive. Overaffity is this something that could be, do you think handled with the minor exception process? Yeah, something that another process where we can go through where it's not quite as expensive. And ultimately, it's a deposit, so it's the time to go through the process. I mean the most expensive part of it is probably the public hearing notice for coming to the planning commission those arrangements like five to seven hundred dollars that would probably be the most expensive part of going through the application process. Yeah so if it was a standards modification it wouldn't necessarily be a hard three thousand the pan. And it would be simple, so it most likely would be less. We have the minor exception as an alternative. That would be okay with that. A standards modification. Another thing besides the cost, it's the time delay. Then you need a plot map showing all the properties within 500 feet. You have to do mailing labels for everybody within 500 feet. And you think, oh, that's only a couple of people, but it's not, because it's 500 feet from the radius of your property. And if that 500 foot radius touches a corner of somebody's lot, that's, it's usually around like 40 to 50 houses. Most people think it's like five to 10, but when you do it, it's on average around 40 houses. So that's expensive. You have to hire a professional that does that kind of work, just to do that map for you. Then mail it, I don't wanna put more restrictions on people. So I would be totally against a standard modification to build a block wall.. What about the minor exception? I think I could live with that. All right, then the landscape plan. Yeah, I wouldn't want someone to do a full-on landscape plan. I think that someone could just do it themselves and just I'm going to put plants every three feet or whatever. Okay. And what you said, you know, it's got to be screened within five years. I think that's a long time, but you can put some vines like I had my wall and it grows when in six months. Yeah, well, that's just the code. I just copied the code. There requires balls and fences to be screened with landscaping 50% with minimum within five years. Okay, so let's see, how do we handle this? Because there's no urgency to get this to the next council meeting. I don't think there's a pressing need. Could you work together and get this down to a reasonable thing? I'll give you one example of why I want something simple. And I don't think you were here for this rafferty. We had a lot of problems with people complaining that their view was being impaired by a neighbor downhill that let their trees grow. And it was becoming an issue. And it always comes here and here and there. Yeah and I had come up with a simple form that that was a problem with your name address what's the address put of people impeding your view and like one of my first questions have you talked to your neighbor about this and some neighbors will be be cooperative. Other neighbors will tell you, hey, I like my trees. I'm not cutting them. And then if it got to where the neighbor wouldn't cooperate, then it would get to the city council, where the planning director would go and look and make a determination. I thought it was very simple. But by the time one of the attorney planning commission has got through, there was so many warehouses and therefore the city council looked at them and said oh my god, they didn't go oh my god but might as well have been. And something that the planning commission thought was a good idea was just quickly rejected by the council. So I don't want to go through that again. So if you can work together now, we're down a little bit, maybe allow some other kind of fencing. Wood fencing can be treated with a fire preservative. That'll help. And like I said, I saw a fence, a wood fence that it didn't even burn it was the oddest thing Maybe that fence was protected with something. I don't know. So any other comments? Yeah, this one comment or two so thank you Commissioner of Landon for putting this together I know it took a lot of effort and thought and you have a lot of good recommendations So like to thank you for that the one thing I want to make sure that for me at least for any I guess future modification is kind of this last sentence whereas this chain link fence seems prohibited for new construction after August 1st, 2025. That was one of the things that was mentioned during the council meeting that for new construction it seemed like most of the council members were filed with new construction. My concern would be you put something in place and someone with an existing fence adjacent to a roadway with the chain link fence might be out of code unless you put this date that was as effective as a this date going forward. Yeah, you can't install a new chain link fence. That would be in there to protect those that could have a chain link fence in front of their house or a Jason right away. Well, that's a good comment. The only thing I would say to that is, why are you selecting new construction to not allow Chainlink fence? What about somebody who's got a house and is doing a remodel? That's not fair. That's unequal enforcement of a code. So that's not the case. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. That's not fair. That's unequal enforcement of a code. So the council said that. The council said that. Yeah. Well, they might have said it. That doesn't mean it's right. I think it's fair that you're going to have someone replace a fence. They have an existing fence, for example. That's chain link on adjacent property. I guess my question would be more towards legal counsel is, if you had this in place, it didn't have a date and someone had a chain link fence, that was adjacent to or right away. Can someone call and say hey, this person's fence is not to code because it doesn't meet this requirement? So that's my one question. I think if we ex stated and they're pretty clearly like for new construction, so for a house that was built After the state they would have to replace it with. They couldn't do chain link, but something that was prior to that date. They're not to use the grandfather word as like grandfather, but they would be grandfathered to be able to replace the defencing in kind. Okay. Yeah, I had just a couple comments here. Yeah, I don't know that we should limit it to new construction because I just feel like new construction gets every little detail and the rest of the houses get away with whatever they feel like doing. And I commented before and I'll comment again on Chainlink fences. I mean right here on Haseyenda, which should be the pride of our neighborhood people coming through, right at Avocado Crest and Haseyenda, the people have a long chain link fence. On the inside they have white fiberglass corrugated and a bunch of dead vines that are on there. It looks absolutely horrible. And I think that that should be a code enforcement case. And if you go just past the park on the left hand side, the people put up a black tarp all the way down. And there's graffiti on it. And it's drooping and hanging. And to me, it just looks horrible. And so, you know, I can't just say it's for new houses. Those two houses, in my opinion, should have code enforcement complaints and do something with it. They started a plant, fight because Nidia is at the front and they could have done it all the way down their whole fence line. So anyway, that's that. I agree with what you said that getting City Council to go along with this is going to be challenging because of the personalities involved. I don't think the City Council all has the same vision of the future for the City. So I agree. My main concern with solid walls is that I think Cinder block walls look horrible. They don't really want to support something where the city lets that happen. They're going to put up a a center block wall and needs to be stuck out. And then that's fine. The stucko should match the house. I mean, the house right here on Haseyenda just redid his wall for some reason and didn't put 90% in. I mean, it looks nice. I wish that the wall wasn't white, but you know, he put a modern fence up, but it doesn't meet the code. So is that gonna be a code complaint? Whether we pass anything here or not, the guy has violated the code again. So, but I have to say he tried to make something look nice and I'm sure he did that for sound purposes because I think he had wrought iron and he had something and then he put these big wide aluminum slats across there. So anyway, that's kind of all I have to say, but I personally think that the future of the city is going to have to be, we need to step up our game and chain-linked fence doesn't fit into that. So that's all I have to say at this point. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Brooks. Well, I think that was a very good discussion. Let's move on to item eight, the 2024 Housing Element Annual Progress Report. And Mr. Walritch would give us an update. It's, you might want to fold out this long spread sheet here. Thank you, Chair. Yeah, they don't make it easy. So this is a format that is sent to us from the state. HCD, the Department of Community Development and Office of Planning and Research put together these tables. It's kind of an awkward format to try to print out and go through with you guys, but it's part of it. Sometimes it might be be broken up into one table, might be on two parts of the page, just to make it a little bit easier to see, or actually see one whole long thing as part of it. But ultimately, this is to share with the community, the state and other agencies, progress towards implementing our housing element. As you all know, we are in the process of completing the housing element update, hopefully for the final time. We just went through some drafts earlier this year. We just received correspondence from HCD that our draft that we have today is sufficient. So now we're in the process of actually doing the environmental review and there's some required code updates that go along with it. So we're in the process of getting those implemented. So in a section of this, we'll touch a little more on that. But ultimately, I'm just going to kind of walk you through the table because that's the easiest way to sort of see what it is. Not all the tables actually apply to what we have going on. So table A is basically applications that are submitted. So this is new housing units that have an application in for review with us. So this lists some, everything that is currently pending as far as like houses that are out there being worked on in table A. So it breaks and it breaks it down based off of, you know, deed restricted. So the way affordable housing is looked at it in a couple of fashions, there's deed restricted housing. So typically housing will be deed restricted for 55 years. So there's actual covenants that's placed on there. Everyone that is within that income category that resides in that has to go through a process every year to verify income for the family that meets the limits for LA County. So that's the deed restriction process. There is also another part where you will see is like a very low income non-dead restricted. So that's going to be more of like 80 that are people say oh it's for my elderly parents or my kids are moving home because it's too expensive to buy a house and they're going to live in the unit that's what we would consider as very low income deed restricted because it's either your parents or your family member or somebody that you're helping out in there so in that table A we sort of break it down it down that way. So you'll see a lot of the ADU units that we have. Generally when we talk to people kind of what the ADU is for, it's that is for mild early parents that need some help. I don't want to live in the house with us. They want their own space or family members that need a place to stay and they live there long term. So they'll replace those in the very low income, non-dead restricted, because ultimately in the future they can do as they please with that. And then the other ones that we do is above moderate, because mostly the other housing we see is single-family housing that's being developed here, so that would fall into the above moderate income requirements. Those are people with no restrictions on it. It's just brand new housing that happens. So that's table A, then table A2 is a little bit of an expanded of that one. So it's broken. This is one really long spreadsheet. So it's on there as two pieces. And it kind of walks through you can see the ones that are that have made it through the process. So the ones that have been approved by the planning department, ones that have received building permits, so have active building permits. And then down below in the green section, those are the ones that have received certificate of occupancies. So those are going to be ones that made it all the way through the inspection process. Approved by planning, obtained their building permits through Planchec, did their construction, Michael did all of the inspections signed off and we issued a certificate of PINC that it's livable, safe, habitable structure. So this year we had that, we had two that went through the process for C-Tivariate of Occupancies. So those were both ADUs, one on Reposato, and one on East Road, so those are highlighted and those formulas. There's a couple of the other houses that are on here that have planning approval. They didn't pull their building permits until January, so they'll be on the table for next year. That kind of goes through and breaks down similarly your income, classifications and categories. Next one table B just sort of summarizes those things, but it gives you a broader look back so you can see the numbers for 2023 and 2024 on this table. So you can see in 2023, these are permits issues, so these are things that they pulled the building permit to actually do the construction. So in 2023, there was like three non-dead restricted to 80 years. This year we had one ADU that obtained permits. And then last in 2022, there was one above modern house that pulled building permits. No, the only building permits issued this year was for an ADU. So one non-dead restricted was issued a building permit for us. This is just a summary. It's locked in there, so the numbers for 2021-2022, we can't add. This is a locked page from the Excel that's numbers that are inputted from HCD. So it just sort of tabulates over the last couple of years and when we input our numbers and those other two tables, it of summarizes it in that table for us Table C these are sites that we rezone to meet our shortfalls in rena We didn't rezone anything in 2024 So there's no rezoning that were completed This table for next year will look a little different because we will rezone some properties this year So we'll be adding to to that table next year. The next one, table D, these are housing element programs. This is where we would sort of walk through our housing element, is going to contain numerous programs and things we have to do throughout the year annually on a certain time frame to be able to report our progress on those programs that are in the housing element. It's a little harder since we don't have a certified housing element. We don't really have those programs to really work through and accomplish. These are some of the ones that we have been working on that we've done over the last couple of years that are included in Table D for that one. Table E, we don't utilize, because this is commercial development bonuses towards housing. We don't have any commercial. Same thing with table laugh. These are units that are rehabilitated. So this is if we had a program to pay to rehab a property and do some deed restriction to keep it low income. We didn't do any of those things. Don't typically do that. Table G is property that's locally owned in housing elements inside of the inventory. So this is something if we owned a property in sold or disposed of that particular property would get placed in table G we have not placed anything into that least or sold or otherwise dispose of any properties that the city owns. Same thing with table H we don't have any properties that we own that we have deemed to be surplus that would go through a surplus land act process to sell them. Which is table H. Table J is student housing. We don't have any student housing. Table K is a rental preference policy. We don't have a rental preference policy. And the final page that's there is just sort of a summary it kind of looks back at the year so you can see. Building permits that were issued. We had the one very low income, a.d.U. that was permitted. And then if you look same thing permitted, one accessory dwelling unit, we have two that were completed, which is those of the two that received their certificate of occupancies. None of them were deemed to be infill housing, so nothing of that infill category. We had two new houses that were submitted as the application process on the original table up front. We did not have any streamlined permits that went through the process over there and then discretionary approval to two projects and discretionary approval for that. So this is sort of the table and the format for this. Essentially, plenty of commission reviews and then you will make a recommendation that the City Council receive and approve the report and we it to HCD through their portals for our implementation of the housing element. So if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them. I know sometimes it's a little clunky to look at the spreadsheet. It's not the most user friendly to print out, unfortunately, but kind of do our best to fit it on some larger papers for you guys. Thank you, Mr. World. Are there any questions of staff? Mr. Blagvin? Thank you. On the ADU's, the non-dead restricted to those count with the state. They do. They count. They will count those as low income. And the ones there, they, they're low income because a family member is living there. If there actually isn't a family member living there, does that change anything? No, not in the way we would look at it. So right, so there's no, if they later rented out, there's no consequence to them or the city. Yeah, because we don't have a deed restriction on it. If they were deed restricted then there would be some. Oh, I meant consequence with the state. No, no. Okay. All right. Thank you. Any other questions? I have more of a process question. How do you determine whether the ADD is low income, moderate, low income? Do you ask the applicant what the income is? I would think that would be a little intrusive. No. So the ones that are not in a deed restriction category, we just inquire to like what their use is going to be for rental, is it for family member, and then if it's generally when we have that conversation as people are going through the process, usually it's for that as for a family member and so we will put into that very low income non-dead restricted. If we did do a deed restriction, we would have to go through a process to verify their income. We would actually place a covenant on the property. There's a time to it, so there's an initiation date and a lapse date for it. And every year, the income has to be verified of everyone that resides in that unit. So in the future, if we see a larger scale housing project here and we do, we would definitely have like deed restrictions on those units, we would have to get to the process every year of verifying the income that people are residing there within those limits. It works a couple of ways. If it's rental, it's where you verify the rental application every year as I go through their lease renewal process. It's typically when that process would happen. A lot of times, if it is actually overoccupied, we do a very brief review it every year and then anytime the property is sold because there's a deed restriction on the sale of it. So the city does have to verify the sale price of the unit and the income of the people that are purchasing the unit fall within the limits. So it gets a little more complicated on the for sale side of properties. You know, thank you for that. This deed restriction thing can really have some repercussions because years ago, you know, I was in the development field and I never did this, but in development you have to have sometimes a number of affordable homes, right? So people would buy these homes for a lot less money and the other homeowners were subsidizing them and they had a deed restriction. And I think it was an ocean side, years passed, and some of the people that bought at a very attractive price sold at market and had a windfall profit and there was a big to do about that. I don't know how that all turned out but that means somebody's going to monitor it. You know that seems like how much staff time does it take you to keep these records and go through this and file reports? It's quite about its time and then especially as we spent a lot of time recently on housing element as we've kind of gone through that process. And as we move forward there's going to be a lot more programs so there will be a lot more ongoing time for staff and other people to keep up with that and do some of the reporting that's required in those new new programs. Thank you so that ends administrative items. Do you have a staff comment? Any upcoming great things going on in the city? We do have a couple of things coming up. The first one there's little flyers here up the front city counter. Counter it's City Hall. You also see it in Guac Talk. Proof and association, we'll be having the Easter egg coming up on April 12th. Up at the park, the Easter bunny will be arriving on a fire engine there. So it's a great event. So if you have family or friends and come out and there's face painting, balloon twister, petting zoo, and then they also do Easter egg hunts for the kids by age group. So you'll have big kids runner grabbing the kids, the little kids egg. So it's a lot of fun. It's a great event. They do ask that you bring one bag of wrapped candy for every child that's there. But it's a great event and a lot of fun. So please come out if you are around on April 12th at the park. Begins at 10 a.m. And then on here they see, so eight times infant to three years old is at 10.45. It's a four to six years old. Is that 11 a.m.? and seven to ten years old is right 1115. So they will announce and it's a great event and a lot of fun. So another good one that the Improvement Association puts on. And also in April, we have quarterly cleanup coming up. So April 26th is our next quarterly cleanup at the parks. If you have, this is a great one ahead of brush-clarins time. So if you have green waste, it's a good time to get rid of green waste there. Bulky items, they'll take everything except for hazardous waste. So no oil, paint, fluorescent lights, things like that. That event typically happens in July at the household hazardous waste event in July, and then we do it the county for that one. But this one will be regular bullhead items and green waste at the park and at the same time we are doing our quarterly Hossie under road cleanup. So if you want to come out extra early and pick up some litter along Hossie under road we kind of break into a couple of groups and had out and pick up litter along Hossie under so another great event for there if you want to join that one, it's actually headed up by one of our residents, John Dominguez, you can reach in at beautifylh at gmail.com and he will get you all kinds of information and and rescind your reminders of of when we do it. But that's a lot of fun. It's early. We typically meet here at City Hall at 6.45 and head out. I know Commissioner Brooks has done it a couple times with us. So it's a nice event and have a good time. So a couple of things coming up here in the very near future. Thank you. I do have one because I do have the answer to the one on 509. It was a demo permit. So it was the base fee plus issuance and the construction and demolition demolition waste fee. That's why it was 3.30. So. Thank you. That's fine. Okay. Planning. Planning commission comments, Mr. Locus? No, there. Mr. Brooks. Yes, I happen to see the new Cal Fire, high fire zone and a big portion of Lahabra Heights is in that area. And so we really need to do our weed abatement and really be vigilant on that so that we don't turn out like the palisades. And also, I've, roughly, it's been talked about and I think what we're past to do is a city to review our general plan. And I'd like to see what it's going to take to get that moving forward. I know it's a process, but I think we're way past due. So I think that should be on the agenda. And I think this is a good planning commission to review it and see where we're at and see if there's any changes that might need to be made. So that's all my comments are. Thank you. This is us. No, just I wanted to let you know I'm not going to be able to attend the next meeting in April, because I'll be out of town. Okay. Mr. Blackman. Thank you. Yeah, something we were talking about, colors today, and the code says exterior color scheme shall not draw attention to themselves and must blend into the natural setting. And somewhere here it says earth tone, I could just trying to find it in the municipal code, but there's no signal. So when I see a white house, that's not blending into the setting unless we're a big bear or something, and there was a lot of snow. So be good if the new construction followed natural colors don't include white. Or blue, it was one house, it was built white and blue. I guess blends in if you're looking at the sky. Then Cal fire, yeah, the a lot of the city was taken out of the very high fire hazard zone and some were taken out of that and put in moderate and high, which is good. Probably won't to reduce our insurance thing. But the power to canning was added into the high fire zone. It makes sense. I didn't know my it wasn't before. And that was a general plan that the council has to make that call if they want to initiate the redo. We could maybe make a recommendation or something, but it's up to them to get the ball rolling Okay, thank you miss Espinoza. No, thank you Just a couple of quick comments from me Congrats on cleaning up west and how sienna looks good Now you got to work on the weeds, huh? And I'm very happy because I've given you some grief for. You may recall because I just hated to see all that debris in the trash. So good work on that and good work on getting the traffic light started. I can't believe it's going to take three months though. Could you hire a speedier contractor than that? We'll see how long it takes. Hopefully we're working with them to try short and not a little bit But yeah, it's just unfortunate on the very first day of construction Second day of construction then there was an accident on the other side of the street that made a shutdown Hossie in this and then everybody was like See you're gonna close Hossie in a road for the signal and it was totally unrelated somebody had a, medical episode and took out a poll that knocked down the calm line. So the construction guys packed it up for the day and got out of the way for Spectrum to be able to get in and do the work they need to do to replace the line. Yeah. I don't recall if I asked for public comments on items out of the agenda. I don't think I did, but we don't have anybody, right? Okay, with that I'll entertain a motion to adjourn the meeting. So moved. I don't need a motion. I'm just a more formal guy. What can I say? Okay. Meeting adjourned. Thank you.