you you you you you Now, 6.06 p.m. and we will call to order capital improvement advisory committee meeting this evening. First on the agenda is approval of the minutes. Commissioners, I'll give you an opportunity to overlook those minutes and then we will ask for a motion on those minutes. Motion to approve. Have a motion to approve by commission of Bennett. Second. Second by commission of Moses. There are no questions, please cast your votes. We're still blank, curlers. There we go. All right. That agenda item gets approved at 5-0 with two absent. Before we go to our next agenda item, I do want to pull forward from our city council, from our planning zoning meeting tonight. We have our city council here with us tonight and I believe they are going to present us with an award. So I'll turn it over to Audible Mayor. Good afternoon. Good evening. Mr. Chairman and two of the entire Planning and Zoning Commission. It is a privilege for us to stand before you today. You have, I have with me councilwoman short, bounds, newsroom, councilman Newsom, and councilman Fresquez. And we have a special award that we would like to present each of you with. And it is the president's volunteer service award. And it is presented to Mansfield Planning and Zoning Commission. You all receive the bronze medal. That is, I believe, equivalent to a hundred hours, I think, like a thousand or something like that. You know what, we're in the season of embellishing, so 10,000, you know, but we, you received the bronze, and we would like to make this special presentation to each of you. So if you would, I'll tell you what, this is is interesting vantage point for us. Would you all please come down so that we might present it to you today? All right. All right. I still will be able to show you your certificate. Shake your hand and we have the biggest one. I really, yes. Maria? Good day, Maria. You're a stand-key. Look at all of the city nights. You know, it's a good city. But I certainly, I think, is the first street on the bus. It's typical. Sir. It's typical night. Oh. What do you want to say to each other? Right. We were rather I'll give it a minute for that to be done. Hi, I'm Arganne. Thank you. How are you? All right, all right, great meeting. Good morning, sir. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. I'll see you in the next video. Okay. We're certainly appreciative to the mayor and the City Council for that award and that recognition. And now we will continue with our capital improvements in advisory committee meeting. Next on the agenda is the citizen comments. Citizens wishing to address the commission on non public hearing agenda items and items not on the agenda. May do so at this time. Once the business portion of the meeting begins, only comments related to public hearings will be heard. All comments are limited to five minutes. In order to be recognized during the citizens comments or have a number of comments that are limited to five minutes in order to be recognized during the citizens comments or during a public hearing. Applicants included please complete an appearance card located at the entry to the chamber and presented to the planning secretary. Do we have any cards for tonight? We have no cards for tonight so we move to our agenda item. 24-6152. 1, 5, 2. Review and approve the maximum allowable water and wastewater impact fees and benchmarking with consideration to recommend and update to the water and wastewater impact fees assessment to city council. Mr. Raymond, you are up, sir. Good evening, Chairman and commissioners. We're here tonight with several of us to present this. As you're aware, have been over the past several meetings of the CIAC, we've been working on an update to our water and wastewater master plan and the impact fees. And so in that update, we update both the master plan and we approve the, basically the calculations to adopt both a maximum impact fee for both water and wastewater. And then we are seeking a recommendation to the City Council for the actual designation of those fee assessments. So we have here tonight, Luke Growsky, our utility engineer. We have Jeff Price, the executive director of Public Works. And then also with Freyzen Nichols, we have Nicholas McCormick. And then we have Andrew Franco. And Andrew is going to be making the presentation to basically cover the essentials of how we got here and what goes into this. And then afterwards, we will ask for a recommendation we'll see how we can get into the community. We'll see how we can get into the community. We'll see how we can get into the community. We'll see how we can get into the community. We'll see how we can get into the community. We'll see how we can get into the community. We'll see how we Good evening to the committee. Again, my name is Andrew Franklin. We're freezing nickels. I've been the project manager for the master plan and impact fee updates. So what we're going to do tonight is we're going to talk through, just kind of go through all the technical aspects of the impact fee kind of show you step by step how we arrived to the conclusions and the numbers that we do. So our agenda is to do a quick reminder of what the impact fees are used for, your role as the CIC on how you recommend to council. I'm going to step through the impact fee eligible, capital improvement plans for water and sewer. And then we'll go through the actual kind of the math and calculations of how the maximum allowable number was derived and then we'll kind of wrap things up with some agility benchmarking so we're going to compare Mansfield to some other comparison cities and then we'll talk about our next steps and our action items. So real quick the impact fee it's a one time charge assessed the new development for cost-related to specific capital improvement program. We're talking about water and wastewater programs here today. We're not going to get into any roadway or other programs, so we're strictly going to be water wastewater. The fees are used as a mechanism to help fund infrastructure necessary for future projected growth. So our tagline like to say is growth paying for growth. New development should pay their fair share for water and sewer improvements that are necessary to help serve them as well as existing retail customers. Your role as the CIC is to provide input and recommendation. I was last year speaking to you all on June 17th, CIC meeting where we talked about our land use assumptions and our different types of growth rates. Today we're going to talk about the CIP plans and the actual impact fee calculations. So as the CIC, it is also charged to recommend a collection rate to City council. We're here talking about it on August 19th, and we'll have a written recommendation that we're asking for is gonna be prior to five business days before the public hearing. Got a little calendar at the end where we'll talk about those important dates. So getting into the eligible capital improvement plan for water and sewer, just kind of a high level snapshot. We've sat down, we've had meetings with planning staff. We have multiple meetings with utilities, engineering, to arrive at these identified projects. So there's a lot of numbers, lines on the page there, you can see. We're taking projects that are already in the ground that have existing capacity to serve future projected growth. There's a portion of that cost that is going to be impact fee eligible. We have proposed water lines and other types of projects that are shown in red that show that these are the projects that we see over the next 10 years that are going to be hopefully implemented to help serve all this projected growth and development. Some of the high level items to hit on, looking at a new elevated storage tank in over the next few years. We have a lot of transmission line projects. We're currently working on an expansion to the butter urban water treatment plant. The other component that we can roll into the actual impact fee cost is the cost of updating your water master plan as well as the impact fees. So again, existing projects in the ground eligible for cost recruitment are in orange and then projected projects are going to be shown in red. So we're going to go out in all different directions. You can see all the way up on the far northern end. We still have some near term projected growth and development where we're going to build some water lines to help serve that. The majority of our growth though is going to be seen as we push a little bit further south and then to the west. That's where a lot of Mansfield future growth and development is gonna be coming into play. Same concept and idea on the sewer side. We have lift station projects, we have metering station improvements, a lot of wastewater interceptors, either paralleling existing lines where we need additional sewer capacity, or we also have extending to help meet some of these projected growths, growth in development areas. So we're really pushing the system further and further west to help meet our projected need. Last and again, same note, the wastewater, master plan and impact fee is a portion that we're going to be including into this project as well. So getting into the actual maximum fee development, though this is kind of the overall math behind calculating a water and wastewater maximum level impact fee. We have our impact fee eligible cost, so that's going to be the portion of total costs that's attributed to the 10 year projected growth. We have a credit. So chapter 395 of Texas Local Government Code says that we can provide a 50% credit as to not to double dip or double charge new customers because a portion of these projects are still paid from with existing rates. So we want to state law basically say that you can't charge the full 100% of these projects just to growth because existing ratepayers do pay a portion of that as well. The denominator is the growth in SFLEUE. Those are single family living unit equivalents. Basically what we do is we take all the different types of lane uses and the amount of projected growth and we kind of boil that down into one of the, we're calling our single family home. So we'll say like a non-residential or an industrial development, we kind of convert the amount of water they may use back to so many number of single family homes. So the growth in units is, it's not really going to be directly the amount of population you have, but it's really going to be how many water and sewer meters are we going to be adding into city and Mansfield. So the cost minus the credit divided by the number of units is going to be what our maximum allowable fee is. So first off, I'm going to kind of tackle the numerator here. We're going to talk about the cost in the credit portion. This is not a table to read line by line, but I do want to show you the level of detail that we look at. So, for each one of the projects on the water and sewer maps that we showed, we talk about, you know, there's a project ID, what that project covers, and then the next kind of grouping are, it's called utilizations. So we're looking at what portion of a project is going to serve existing customers. So that portion of the project is not gonna be impact-fielderable, that costs is discounted from the total. The next column, 10-year customers, is what we're saying, we're using so much of a project utilization and capacity in 2024. We're going to be using so much in 2034, the 10-year window. So how much of that project is going to be utilized in the 10-year window, that's going to be the 10-year growth. So that's going to be the key column that shows either the total cost of a project. Basically, times that 10 year growth percentage is how we're going to come to our eligible CIP dollar amount. So pushing out further to the right, we've got the capital cost of the project. We have financing costs, We have total cost. You'll know that we're really only counting for financing costs on future forward looking projects. So the financing costs for the orange existing projects. We're not including that into this overall number. So the total cost of the project, and then we take that current, the third from the right column current development. So that's taking that 10 year percentage or that 2024 percentage, excuse me, multiplying that by the total cost, not an eligible cost. The far right column is project or project capacity outside the 10 year window is gonna also be not eligible. So that second from the right hand column, 10-year eligible cost is what portion of the cost, based on the projected utilization of each project, is going to be impact fee eligible. So all that said, we're looking at an eligible cost on the water system side of, over, let's say, $118,716,551. So that's going to be the first part of our overall equation. Same process on the sewer side. So all the same principles and items here apply. You could see the overall eligible cost is going to be $123,973,274. So looking at our numerator as a whole, so we have capital costs, finance costs, and then total costs, and what portion of that is gonna be eligible? Those same numbers, 118 and 123 million. We do a 50% credit. We're gonna arrive at a total numerator cost of 59 million on the water side and 61 almost 62 million on the sewer side. Next item the growth and SFLEE's. So when The one thing I will say about the roadway side roadway impact fees are all going to be calculated based on your lane use type and the vehicle miles that are projected to be used by a certain type of development. That's not how we do things on the water sewer side. Water sewer are basically all based on the size of the meter that you're putting in for your development. So if you look at the meter size, it has a, what's called the safe maximum operating capacity. So, what can a meter basically provide to a development? So, the base meter size and mains field, three-quarter inch, the capacity of that meter is as it's 25 gallons per minute. So, you see that service unit equivalent of 1.0. So, and you see, as you put in larger meters, your ability to use more water generates a higher service unit equivalent. So again, with roadway, we're more concerned about the lane use and the type of development and how that impacts the roadway system on water, wastewater. We're really looking at the size of the meter is going to really ultimately inform what the overall impact fee is going to look like. So if you have a higher need and a higher meter, you have the ability to pull and use more water, also the same time the ability to produce and send more waste water out. So your impact fee would be higher if you're pulling a larger water meter. So in the city of Mansfield, 10-year growth and SFLEE's. So you can see the total projected growth on the far right hand column. We're increasing or adding 16,558 service unit or living unit equivalents, excuse me, in the city of Mansfield. You know, the thing that might be most relatable is that 3.4 inch meter, 12,456, and those are mostly going to be on the residential side. So to kind of give a frame of reference or think about in 10 years, you know, adding, you know, maybe 12,000 rooftops. That's kind of what the analysis was based upon, you know, in working with planning and other city staff, this is what we feel the 10-year growth window is gonna look like in city of Mansfield. So we've looked at our numerator and our denominator, and now we're gonna kind of bring it all together to the maximum allowable impact fee. So taking our cost minus our credit divided by our service single family living unit equivalents, that's going to generate a maximum allowable impact fee of $3,585 on the water side and $3,744 on the wastewater side. So that's a total combined impact fee of $7,329 for a base three quarter inch meter. If those maximum allowable numbers were basically adopted as the collection rates, you can see for a that same 7,329 for the 3.4-inch meter is the smallest impact fee. As you start rising up on the meter sizes, you can see the projected increases in the dollar amounts. So the total fee times the service unit equivalent, 1.0, 1.6, 2.04, and on down the line, you can see what a potential or theoretical impact fee could be based on whatever meter is needed for a development. So looking at what Mansfield is currently assessing for your water wastewater impact fees for the base three quarter inch size on the water side. We have $3,000 even. Waste water, $1,500 for a combined impact fee of $4,500. So comparing what you're currently collecting now on the right hand side, the maximum allowable generated by the impact fee study going up from $4,500 to as high as $7,329. So lastly, we're talking about some utility benchmarking. How does man feel compared with some comparison cities in the area? You can see here on this chart, we've got a number of cities. The number at the bottom of the X-axis is going to be the kind of combined dollar amount. So for Mid-Lothian, for example, they're combined water and sewer impact fee, $10,078. On the top of the bars, you can see we've added what their adoption date was. The last time they updated and adopted their studies. So Mid-Lothian was October of 2022. So, you just start working on down the line. You see kind of right in the middle of the chart, Mansfield, the existing $4,500. That was last adopted in August of 2019. So, here we're looking to do an update. Our public hearing is scheduled for September of 2024. And you move a couple over to the left, the maximum allowable, the results produced by the study here says we could charge up to $7,329. Just a couple of observations and things I want to point out here are if you look, the utilities and the cities that are on the left hand side of the chart, looking at that adoption rate, you could see the ones that are on the left hand side or a little bit more recently adopted. A lot of that really just comes into the projected cost of building improvements here in 2024. Over the last few years we've seen quite a increase in the cost of building water and sewer improvements. As you look further down to the right, we've definitely got some older studies and some older updates. I will say, you know, Arlington is on the far right, is the lowest dollar amount there. You know, they're a city that really has pretty much a lot, or most if not all of their large ticket infrastructure in place, not a lot of growth in Arlington, they're over 93% built out. So they just don't really have as much of a need there. City of Fort Worth, they really don't charge impact fees on all of their projects. They're really only focused on large regional projects. So that's probably a reason why their number looks a little bit on the lower end, even though they have a lot of needs. Berlison, Berlison was recently adopted. Their number actually went down from their previous update, and I'll say the biggest driver for that was their growth. They'll say their denominator, for instance, got so much higher that it actually caused their fee to go down. So, you know, just kind of a mixed bag, there's not really a rhyme or reason to exactly why all the numbers fall out the way they do. It really becomes a policy question that is ultimately gonna be answered by city council. You know, what we're kind of looking to do and present to this body today is to, you know, present all the information, the information, talk about what's right for Mansfield, make sure that we are competitive in what we're charging for our future impact fee program. I always say if you're far over to the left, maybe your fees could be too high that might scare off some folks. If you're too far to the right, your fees are too low and you're not collecting what you need to be doing to help your city grow and develop. So you're placing that burden more so on the taxpayer or your existing rate payers to help pay for all these projects. So I'm trying to find what is that what is that sweet spot or what's right for Mansfield is kind of what we're looking to talk about today. Next steps. Talked about we had our meeting on June 17th. We're here today on August 19th to present the results of the calculations. The public hearing is set for September 23rd, 2024, where we want to present this information in front of the city council to hopefully do an update to your impact the ordinance. Stepping back the thing from the CAC action that we're looking for is for this body to basically provide a written recommendation to city council on what we feel like the appropriate collection rate may or may not be. So with that, open up to any questions or comments. Thank you, Andrew. Go ahead. Commissioner, I do want to point out one thing and for anybody following on home at home, it does look like the numbers in the presentation were a little bit different than the numbers that were shown in the agenda information. That agenda information is also the information that all of our public has access to online. It's located in the cap-on-prooving advisory committees meeting meetings and agendas. I just wanted to point that out. The numbers that y'all have at-chall's computers are all the correct numbers because those were the ones sent with the agenda. It's just a slight difference in the presentation, not a problem. I just wanted to make sure to point that out. Just in case anybody's following at home, they do know that the correct numbers are those that are found within the agenda and that's posted. Thank you, Arty. Okay, we'll open it up to Commissioner Questions. You mentioned some of the cities along the line here, but I'm kind of sure with the sheer thoughts on Grand Prairie and where they are in their cost? So Grand Prairie is, you see they have two different numbers on here. They have what's called their north sector and their south sector. Basically the way they have two different zones, it's the Dallas and Ellis County line, is there split? Their north sector is, so everything north of that is pretty well built and developed. They don't have a lot of the large needs that they do on their south side, which is largely undeveloped. They just built the pump station, they're gonna build more elevated tanks, a lot of line projects and other pump station. So that's kind of prompting why there's a pretty large disparity on what their north and south sector looks like. There's a lot more need out there, which is right down the highway from Mansfield, is where you're going to see all that growth and development really happen for Grand Prairie. Yeah, and that's what I was curious about. If you look at Burleson and you look at Grand Prairie South, which is more closer to us than where we are, our numbers considerably higher than where they are. Right now, Burleson at 42, which was just updated in 2023, adoption date. And of course, Grand Prairie was in 2019, but there was quite a bit of difference in their number versus where we are. Absolutely, and there's one other thing I want to point out on that. I didn't say it during the presentation. City of Fort Worth, they provide wholesale service on their water and sewer. I think water they have 31 wholesale customers. Sewer they have 23 wholesale customers. It's written in their contract that a wholesale customer or footworth, so IE Burleson, they have to pay $4,223 in Burleson impact fees. They also have to pay $3,777 to footworth in impact fees. Footworth passes on their impact fees. It's in their contracts to all of their wholesale customers. Okay. So, you know, I guess, you know, apples, apples, you know, a burlison would really be closer to what, 7,900 if you add on that Fort Worth cost on there. So that would be true for Keller, gets Fort Worth water, but not sewer. South Lake gets Fort Worth water, but not sewer. Burlison has Fort Worth water and sewer. South Lake gets full-worth water but not sewer. Burleson has full-worth water and sewer. And there is actually a small portion of Grand Prairie in that north sector. It's kind of like north of I-30 and west of 160. It's a very small portion of Grand Prairie that actually has the kind of pay-boat too. Okay. Okay. And our last number was updated. The last adoption for us was in 19. Yes sir. Okay. Do we recall what the increase was at that time? Do we know anybody know what we increased from on that date? I'm just curious as to how much of a spray it was then versus what the spray is now from 2019 to 2024. Sure. There was no increase between we went back and looked at impact fees adopted back the water in the water little different iteration on the water and wastewater side and a little different cost, but it came out to 4,500. The maximum that was allowed in 2007, the maximum that could have been assessed, was closer to 7,000 then as well. I couldn't find the information from the last, or from the 2011 adoption, the 2019, the fees were, it was adopted at the maximum. So the combination of the got to the 4,500 was a maximum accessible fee at that time. Okay. All right. Thank you. I guess I just, while I'm up here to point out, you know, we have had some conversation about impact fees and trying to remain competitive with our local area cities and where we should fall, you know, I think after talking with Raymond and where we feel like we'll end up with going in front of Council with a recommendation, you know, we're probably somewhere around the $6,000 combination for both fees. And that keeps us pretty much in the position we're in. Today keeps us in the same level, but does give us the ability to assess a little more and collect a little more in revenue, taking some of that pressure off of what would be retail rates to customers in the future. So just wanted to say, y'all get to make the recommendation from here, but I wanted to give you kind of where as a staff we've had some discussions and think that we could stay in line with what we've felt is councils,ities after discussions from the the Impact fees for for streets and roadways so You know again just giving you some some staffs thoughts on that. I don't want you all I mean y'all Ultimately make their recommendation and whatever y'all are comfortable with okay with Make as you as you Jeff as you talk about that $6,000 mark make their recommendation and whatever y'all are comfortable with. Okay. With making. As you, as you, Jeff, as you talk about that $6,000 mark, how would that impact what you're trying to do with the water treatment plant, the expansion? So the, here's the, the expansion is already, it's already bid and the $50 million has already been issued in debt for the construction of that. This portion of the cost as it was outlined in this is is contributable to the cost of the impact fees. It doesn't change the it doesn't change what we would necessarily generate. If we maintain the same rates, or let me back up and put it this way, we issued that $50 million in debt and it did not cause us to have a rate increase. But it did take up a lot of the bonding capacity that we have within our rates. So if we go to another project and we have to issue more debt to fund some of those, we're not collecting the revenue. We won't always collect enough revenue to pay for some of those, we're not collecting the revenue. And we won't always collect enough revenue to pay for some of these because of the credit and all of that that goes into it. There will be more pressure on retail rates to increase those to meet the demands of our bonding capacity and our budget to recover the revenue needed to pay for those dead issuances. OK. Great. So I was just looking at the numbers. And it looks like there's a substantial increase on the wastewater side. So I'm just curious what's driving that number to increase as much as I'm seeing here from the last update? Absolutely, yeah. We've had this conversation too. I'll say historically over the last, we'll say 10, 15 years, Mansfield has made a lot more investments on their water system. So we'll just say that they're all better prepared to not have to construct as much on the water side as on the sewer side. A lot of cities, utilities I work for, it's kind of cyclical. We spend a lot of money on our water system, then we have to spend a lot of money on our sewer system. It just kind of goes back and forth. And right now, man's field is in a point in time where we're going to have to make more investments on our sewer side to help meet projected growth and development than our water side. Okay. That would also, I would also point out, y'all probably have all recognized sewer cost has gone up on your water bill. The cost of sewer is outrunning the cost of water. That's because we try to contribute to the appropriate utility, the amount of revenue we need to run that portion of the utility. And with sewer costs going up, it is caused the cost for wastewater delivery to exceed what water delivery is. That is across the board with any utility. I would argue they're probably still recovering some of that in their water rates, but we've always had the policy of trying to attribute it to the appropriate cost factor. In assessing this hierarchy for wastewater side, again, if we don't capture revenue here to pay for some of these to help offset some of these projects, it just continues to increase that rising cost on wastewater rates. All right. I appreciate that. Can we put the chart back up there that shows the comparing cities? Yeah. So yeah, when I looked at this, I was first of all, I'm really shocked that Nilo teams at Ting are in, but I look, I guess when I look at this chart and I see the grand priority number right there, even though it's a 2019 update. That's probably in my opinion the most comparable situation, even though our situation might be flipped where we need to focus on wastewater over water right now, but to remain competitive, as we talked about in the market, obviously they are a competitor of ours, so I look at that number and think maybe that's kind of where we would like to see a mass-filled land somewhere around that 63, or even just a tad higher at $6500 mark to kind of hit the target there on what we're looking for for impact these. Rampere they have a public hearing schedule next month to update their fees. Just FYI. Have you seen those numbers? I might be giving the presentation. But okay. I just had one, probably one engineering question for you on the, what would you use a 8-inch meter for? What would be the purpose for that? Really, the only types of utilities, or the types of need to have an 8-inch meter that large. So if we're worth, they have some like bottling plants out near the DW airport. I've seen a water chill data center need an 8-inch meter. Is it a main experience or a main farm? Yeah, there's been a couple of food manufacturing, so very heavy use industrial type needs have pulled a inch meter As far as I know Mansfield does not have any eight inch meters, but it's in your ordinance So we wanted to present the information all right appreciate it. Thank you The questions Mr I just want to come in Andrew and all the team for doing a remarkable job. When Mr. Clarissa sent a slide deck to us, I really start questioning first my mathematical scales and then lately my reading comprehension scales. But you really enlighten in a very informative way what these numbers. No, it's not the easiest thing to digest. And especially when I've got a table of 50 rows and 10 columns, I just want to show you the level of detail we do get down to and making this. But I try. And I just didn't have the right calculator to pull those numbers together. And I thought, OK, I just pivot to another day. But can you say something about Frisco? Give us some perspective on Frisco on this chart as well. Would there be an update? I know they're about to start an update next year. I'm there in impact fees, so that'll be down the road. Okay, this is really impressive. Thank you so much. Welcome. Commissioner Bennett. Oh yeah, so thank you for this. It would be my first time seeing the presentation. Definitely helped me understand a lot more. And so, mostly I just wanted to bring clarity on, on just from your perspective, or maybe even the cities is, what happens when you do not assess enough fees. And collect enough impact fees on this. and where does that money come from? I'm assuming it goes to the water bills eventually. And so just because normally when somebody hears we're going to increase impact fees, I would imagine people kind of freak out about that citizen. So I'd want to, an explanation just at the hearing here. Absolutely. You know, so, you know, the fees are used to help fund growth of your water and sewer programs, right? So you think about, I don't know if you say chicken or the egg, but, you know, if we don't collect fees and we don't have enough money to build project, you know, growth and development could stall out. So that's a very high level conversation of how much of an appetite do we here in Mansfield have to serve our growth and development? And the follow-up question is, is how much do we want growth and development essentially to help subsidize the cost of building water and sewer projects in order to serve them. If you set your rates too low, you're in risk of kind of falling behind either raising rates, having to pull more bonds or really fund it from other mechanisms. You know, this is a tool, this isn't the end all be all, this isn't going to fund everything. But as a tool, you have in your toolbox to help offset or mitigate the overall cost that get passed along to really your existing rate payers, customers. Thank you. Just clarifying to, this is for new builds, new construction only. Yes, yes, only. Well, there's only, it only applies to new builds or if you redevelop an existing property and have to basically increase your size of meter to do so. Thank you. So right now the proposed $7,300 of that, I think about 51% of it is coming from the wastewater impact potential increase. With those percentages remaining the same if we lower the overall number or how do you come over that number? I mean, you have the ability basically to set water and wastewater, so on the water side you can set it from 3585 to zero. Same thing on sewer, 3744 to zero, or any combination in between. Okay, all right, got it. Okay. Other questions? Thank you so much. Welcome, Shade it. So we will now call for a motion for a recommendation on the water impact fee and the wastewater impact fee. Mr. Chairman. Yes. I propose that we accept the recommendation as presented. So your motion is for the full 7300? Yes, sir. As presented. I want to go ahead. Is it important for me, Jeff, to correct that number? Okay. That number is actually 74, sorry, 7403. 74, all three. Do you have the breakdown already? The breakdown is the water fee at 3749 and the waste water fee at 3654. Again, those are the numbers in everyone's packet. It was the last number 3364. 3654. 3654. Okay, thank you. Commission Moses is that your motion of 74 or three? Water at 3749 and wastewater at 3654. Yes, sir. Okay, we have a motion by commission Moses. Do we have a second? the second. I have a question. On the maximum. That's not going to be what's actually charged. That's the maximum they can assess for the next five years until it's re-reviewed again. So if it goes through at 73 and these two numbers, that's the maximum. It can be assessed at that time for a new construction when they're assessing the impact fee. It's not what's actually gonna happen. So today, if somebody was, project was going through, it's not gonna jump to that. It's gonna be analyzed, looked at what their actual impact is going to be. Well, you all make a recommendation to City Council. At the Public Hearing City Council is going to adopt a rate. If they choose to accept the recommendation of the 740 is the one that is the one that is the one that is the one that is the one that is the one that is the one that is the one that is the one that is the one that is the one that is the one that is the I think that's a good thing to do. Negative with this impact people wanting to move to Mansfield if the impact fee was increasing this much. Or does anybody really even look at it? Well, it's just for the developer. Yeah. I'm 50-50. I'm open to any comments on it. I just my big one here is I want to make sure that it's a good recommendation. And it's not going to negatively impact a growing city. Right. And I heard what you said in regards to if this is not adopted and there are feeds that have to be assessed after this and it is passed on to our residents through the sewer and water correct current residents and I can kind of shit some light on how that's actually done so each year we Put together a rate model to look at what the overall cost operate the system. Part of that cost is our capital improvement program. Now our capital improvement program includes more than just the projects that you saw today. We have projects that we have lines that are aging out, an old infrastructure, we have to replace all of those end up on that capital improvement program each year. We are collecting about on average 4.5 to $5 million a year in impact fees, and our capital spend on average is $20, $21 million in projects that we are actually paying for each year. That's our spend down of our capital plan. So that's the difference between what we collect and what we spend on our CIP. Our CIP is driven heavily right now by these projects that you've seen. So each year, if we don't generate, if we don't capture that call that additional revenue as a way to pay for the growth that's happening, then our rates capture that. It gets directly passed on in the rates that are established to meet the necessary services in total. So each year that the CIP is just a portion of the overall rate cost. So is all of our O&M, our operations and maintenance and all of that. So that's how that, it just is kind of a balancing factor in there. And the less we generate, the more we generate in impact fees and can offset some of these capital costs, the less pressure it puts on the actual rate payers for water utility. Yeah, so I'll just tack on it out. So under the assumption that Jeff said, if we're collecting $5 million in impact fees at our current rate, if we go to the maximum, we're gonna probably collect an additional $3.6 million ish. Okay. That's very rough. Do we have a second to the motion? Okay, that motion, didn't I carry? Do we have another motion? So I'd like Jeff, I appreciate the information. You're absolutely dead on. And you know, one side of me thinks, okay, let's do this because we have a lot of infrastructure in Mansfield. It needs help right now. That's not gonna get help because of impact. I mean, directly from an impact fee, it's existing infrastructure. But I also worry about if we make this type of jump and we're in such a sensitive, sweet spot on development in Mansfield right now, that that might create some more headwinds and getting those developments across the line. So, Mr. Chairman, my recommendation for the fees is that for me I'm looking more towards maybe the $6,500 range. I do agree that there needs to be a substantial increase on the wastewater side based on the project workload that needs to be done. But I would say a range, my recommendation would be for a range between, let's say, 7,000 to 6,500 as a recommendation for the fees. Do you have any emotion or recommendation for each one separately or just a total? So I would, more than less, I agree, say around 3,500 for the water. I don't really have an issue with the water increase. It's being shown here. But with the substantial jump on the wastewater side, that would make up the difference. So doubling it at 3 would be at 6,500. If you went 3500, 3,000. Or you look at a more split, 3500, 3500 situation at 7, if they go, if the range is on the higher end. the water supply is going to be a little bit more split 3500 3500 situation at seven if they go if the range is on the higher in which one is your motion. So I my motion is to stay is to go with the max allow of 6500 3,000 3,500 for the water 3000 for the sewer. We have a motion by Vice Chairman Axon to increase to 3,500 on the water and 3,000 on the wastewater for a total of 6,500. Do we have a second? Second. Second by Commissioner Thompson. No questions, please cast your votes. That motion carries 4-1 with two absent. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you all very much. Call for a motion for adjournment. Motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn by Vice Chairman Axon. Second. Second. Second by Commissioner Thompson. Police catch your votes. Motion carries 5-0 with two absent. We are now adjourned from our capital improvement advisory committee meeting. At 6.58pm. Thank you. We will now call to order our August 19th planning and zoning commission regular meeting at 6.58 pm. First order on the agenda is our invocation. Would you all would please stand with us? We will be led tonight by Commissioner Moses. Shall we pray gracious and almighty God, we thank you for this awesome opportunity. For us to come and Serve the outstanding citizens of Mansfield we ask now the blessings on our city leadership our mayor and Council God even this body and all those who will come allow us to understand that this is not about us But it's about moving forward the great people of this awesome city called man Manfet Field. Come now and bless us in your name, we pray, amen. the volunteer service award we were now moved to approve of our minutes. Commissioners were giving an to approval of our minutes. Commissioners will give you an opportunity to review those minutes from the August 5th meeting, and then we will call for a motion. Mr. Chair, make a motion to approve. Have a motion to approve by Vice Chairman Axon. Second. Second by a commission of Bennett. Please cash your votes. Carries 5-0 with two absent. Next on the agenda is citizen comments. Citizens wishing to address the commission on non-public hearing agenda items and items not under the agenda. May do so at this time Once the business portion of the meeting begins only comments related to public hearings will be heard All comments are limited to five minutes in order to be recognized during the citizens comments are doing a public hearing Applicants included please complete a blue appearance card located at the entry of the chambers and presented to the planning secretary And secretary do we have any comments? We do not. We have no cards for citizen comments. We'll move to gen item number eight, which is our public hearings. Gen item 24-6149. Public hearing to consider, propose amendments to title 15 of the Mansfield, Texas Code of Ordnance and Title Land Usage, 6155.012 to add a new definition for package stores, subsection 155.054b to permit package stores by right or specific use permit in the C2, C3 and PD districts, section 155.056 related to security gates and shutters. Section 155.073, diagram number five, specific use and specific function table. To permit package stores to the T5 and T6 transect zones by right and section 155.099b to provide new special conditions for package stores, providing for severability clause, providing a penalty of fine not to exceed the sum of $2,000 for each offense, and providing for an effective date on 024-007. Mr. Rodriguez. Thank you commissioners, and I apologize for making you read that caption, but we did have to go ahead and have that read because we had advertised for this case, but staff is asking this case be tabled. And definitely we will be sure to properly notice when we're ready to bring forth any ordinance amendment associated with the items you just heard. Okay. Do you have any questions for Mr. Rodriguez? We'll open the public hearing on this item at 702 PM. I don't believe we have any cards for this agenda item, so we will close the public hearing at 702 PM. And we will open it up to commission on questions and comments or a motion? Motion at table. indefinitely. We have a motion by Commissioner Bennett to table indefinitely. Second by Commissioner Moses. There any questions? Not please cash your votes. Motion carries 5-0 with two absent. Next on the agenda is 24-6148. Public hearing to consider proposed amendments of chapter 155 of the Mansfield Code of Ordinances to section 155.072b by adding definitions of boutique hotel and dooyard section 155.054j4 related to principal building height in the D3 and TOD zones section 155.072N related to standards for boutique hotels. Section 155.072N related to standards for door yards. Section 155.072 building function and specific use table three 12, related to dooyards, 24-005. Thank you, right, Regent. I'm going to already read Rodriguez with the planning department. I'm going to stick to this slide here just to sort of simplify that caption just a little bit just to make sure that we understand where we're at with this one. We are having a public hearing to consider an amendment to the D downtown district. So this will be specific to the D downtown district and now go through some of those items here in just a second. Specifically, we're going to be adding a definition for a boutique hotel, adding a definition for a door yard, and we'll be providing changes to principal building height in the D3 and TOD areas within the code and I'll be sure to go through all of those First we're looking at a new definition for a boutique hotel Currently within our ordinance. We only have the accommodations for what's called an in within the downtown district. An in is something much smaller than what we're looking at for a boutique hotel, as a matter of fact that's less than 10 units. So that's what you would have considered with a normal bed and breakfast or something smaller. But in this case, we're really looking to make sure that we have accommodations for a land use called boutique hotel. That would be a minimum of 10 bedrooms, but no more than 125. A boutique hotel would provide food service at all times. This is all within the definition. It would provide a premium experience dedicated to the arts, culture, and history with distinguished accommodations. It will allocate a minimum of 10% of its total building area to a combination of the following uses. Those are a bakery, cafe, or coffee shop, some sort of personal service and a meeting space. Within the land use chart, a boutique hotel would only be permitted within the D3 urban center. And coincidentally, as we go into a description about height, I'll get into the D districts a little bit better. We are also adding a definition to the D downtown district to allow for door yards. This is a term that y'all become very familiar with in all of our PDs, all of our PDs now. We say we're gonna make sure that we have frontage requirements for porches, patio, stoops, door yards, and those are the things that happen in the front of a building. I was wondering if I would, oh, I have it here. Sorry. Sorry, I was. Thank you. I was wondering if I could. So you had the Grand Prix meeting on it? I was wondering if I could figure out a way to fold this into our discussion, but in October of 2021, Jason brought forth the D.D. downtown district at that time, we had not coined the phrase door yards. We started looking at other developments that brought door yards, which are a fenced or walled area, as you see in this image here, where you have a private yard in front of your unit. I think that this frontage is something that can be provided in a lot of our multifamily and row house units within the downtown district. So we wanna make sure that it's a tool within the toolbox for developers as we move forward. The final amendment deals with building height and I want to go over sort of the D downtown district as a whole because again bringing back a case from October of 21. Many of you may not have been on the board at the time, so I want to make sure to bring out some detail. But you can see here, this is Main Street and here's Broad Street. We've talked when we talked through SOMA, when we talk through some of our PDs that look at transect-based zoning. We talk about the transect, making sure that you have good transitions between something that's intense and getting into something that's much less intense. And actually, I think when we show this image to y'all, we've shown y'all that even in nature, it happens that way as you come off of a stream or something like that, the plant life is different than as you get further in. That's kind of the way the transect zones also are created. So really when you're looking at Broad Street and Main Street, you're looking at our most intense areas of town and you can't really see in this image too well but the shades of purple change as you get further away from that axis. The change that we're talking about with height only deals with the areas within our D3 area and our TOD, specifically COD is an area at the northern part of the downtown district. Within the D3 and TOD areas today, the items that are not in italics are current language. Currently it states principal buildings in the D3 zones and the TOD shall not exceed a maximum of six stories in height. We are adding language to that standard and that would allow for an increase in building height which exceed six stories may only be granted subject to the review and recommendation by the director of planning and approval by the City Council. As we've started to make sure that our code accommodates for future development, we do understand that there may need to be some accommodations for height. So we're making sure that that's in place today prior to having a project in front of us where we do have to make those considerations. Because bulk and height are typically those items that unless you have it within your zoning code, you're required to go to ZBA if there needs to be a variance to those items. We're wanting to make sure to plan for that ahead of time and have within our zoning code some accommodations to allow for, at least some consideration of additional height. And I want to make sure that I'm specific. This would only impact the areas that we're showing specifically along Main Street or that area there along North Street that are currently zoned within our D3 urban center district, urban center zone. With that, the Department of Planning and Development Services recommends approval of the amendments as presented. And I'm available for any questions if you have any. Thank you, sir. Do you have any questions for Mr. Rodriguez? We have no questions at this time, sir. We will open the public hearing at 7.11 PM. And I don't believe we have any cards for this agenda item. So we will close the public hearing at 7.11 PM. And we'll call for a motion. Mr. Chair, like to make a motion to approve as presented. I have a motion to approve by Vice Chairman Axon. Second by Commissioner Moses. Please cast your votes. I'm going to move to the next agenda item. Okay. Gen item number 24-6150. Public hearing to consider proposed amendments of Title 15 of the Mansfield Texas Code of Ordinances. In title land usage section 155.012 the bill. The bill is the bill of the bill of the bill of the bill. C3, commercial manufacturing, and PD plan development districts, providing for the repeal of all ordinances and conflict, providing for several ability clause, providing a penalty of fine not to exceed the sum of $2,000 for each offense, and providing for an effective date. Ordnance amendment number 24-008. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Katocha Smith. The purpose of this amendment tonight is adding memory care facility to the use tables and as well as the definition. The memory care facility is a facility meeting meaning all applicable federal, state, and local certificate licensure and regulatory requirements and that provides a long-term specialized residential care for people living with Alzheimer's disease and other forms of progressive degenerative dementia. Residents staff necessary for operation of the facility are allowed to live on site would be the definition. The amendment would be to use tables within the C2 which is community business, C3, commercial manufacturing and the plan development districts. The Department of Planning and Development Services recommends approval of the amendments as presented. Thank you very much. You have any questions from the commissioners? We're open to public hearing at 7.14 p.m. Do we have any cards? We have no cards, so we will close the public hearing at 7.14 p.m. And we will call presented this recommendation. We have a motion to approve by Chairman Moses. I just move you up. Commissioner Moses. The record reflect that's Commissioner Moses. Second. Have a second by commission Stolbson. Okay. Please cast your votes. agenda item passes 4-1 with 2 absent. the bill. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. that was the specific use permit for the bow jangles that was on 287 just north of Debbie. So that site being right there just north of the existing racetrack. That case was approved at its one hearing. SUVs, as you know, go to the City Council for one additional hearing after planning and zoning commission. Also, we heard zoning case 24-008. This case was tabled indefinitely. This was the SOMA based project on the east side of 287. South of broad, more specifically, just south of the HEB property in north of the railroad tracks there. Again, that case was tabled indefinitely and we'll be able to provide any updates if that case comes back at that time. Okay. Any questions? Okay, we'll move to Commissioner Announcements. Commissioner Moses? I'm sorry, go ahead, sir. I know, I'll go on. That just that question. Did we forward the Bojangles to the City Council? Did we? Yes, sir. We did? Yes. Okay. Good. That's my- It went to City Council after we voted on it, yes. We did, that's yes. Yes, yes. It did, but it did go to City Council. Council has to final say so. Even motions, even cases that get a fail vote here or a no vote here, that's a recommendation that goes to City Council. So it went to the City Council with a recommendation of no. City Council reversed that and approved it. council so it went to the city council with a recommendation of no city council Reverse that and approved it Is that what you wanted here? I know you voted in favor so Any other questions commission mozes. I don't thank you sir commissioner Bennett Nice charm and accent Mr. Chair, Commissioner Bennett. Vice Chairman Axon. Well, just having one. Mr. Alexander. Already said I get five minutes. So Mr. Alexander, we appreciate your time here at City. I think it's been transformative to say the least. I sat on this commission before you got here and I'm damn proud that you've been here to show your expertise to God, some of us who are kind of figuring, trying to figure out what Mansfield should look like for the future. I know I've personally learned quite a bit from you, so I really do appreciate your service. I really wish we weren't losing you to that very, very tiny, tiny little town up there to the north. But I want you to know that we're extremely grateful and proud of you and all the things that you've done and we wish you the best of luck at your new role in West Lake. Battle preach. Commissioner Thompson. I get seven and a half minutes. No, I get 7.5 minutes. No. I second everything. Commissioner Aksian said, and I agree. I wish she weren't leaving. I was very new here. And you took me under your wing and kind of taught me the ways and guided me probably more than you had to guide the other ones. So I was very appreciative. I've learned a lot and I think that this next opportunity for you is going to be extremely advantageous and I'm excited for you. This is a sad day for me. I've had time to mow this over a little bit. And I will tell you, Mr. Exander, the first day that I met you, I was so impressed with how you came to the city and immediately got engaged and involved in learning what was going on within the city. I remember the first meeting I went to and you were sitting there and you were quoting all the ordinances that were in the, I'm like, this guy just got here. What is he talking about? Nobody knew if you were right or not, but you signed it like you were. But I would tell you, Mansfield is better off that you came this way. And we are so appreciative of your guidance, your leadership, your friendship, your patience with us as a group, how you brought us along with you as you've continued to grow within the city, you've helped us to grow in the city as well. We're certainly going to miss you. Who knows that maybe one day you'll come back and Joe decides the retirement, maybe you'll be our city manager, we don't know. But we wish you the best of success. We know you are going to do great things. And we're excited to say that we knew you and hopefully our relationship will remain and we can stay in contact as you move forward in your new career. Congratulations to you. You're more than welcome sir. Do you have any staff announcements? There are some staff announcements. I'm going to take a little bit of opportunity to talk about Jason as well. Um. He still has a couple of days, right? Yes. Yes. No, as planners, I think we're all a little bit of nerds. We love to see the cities that we've impacted grow. So I know Jason's going to visit Mansfield in 10 years. I know he's going to visit Mansfield in five years and see all of the changes. And I think a lot of the things that you're discussing, that everybody's discussing about the sort of thumbprint Jason's hat on there. I brought up sort of our work with the D downtown district a little bit during that presentation. Jason and I both started in May of 21. I think I started a week after Jason. And we immediately were thrown into, hey, downtown is going to transform and you're going to make it transform. And I think the changes that will happen to downtown, the changes that will happen to our entertainment district, all of those types of places. Jason will be able to see his thumbprint whenever he visits us in five, ten years. So, but thank you for all your leadership. I will state that the only announcements I have is that we will not be meeting. That we will not be meeting. Okay. I'll get the last one. State your name. State your name and address for the record. Jason Alexander 1200 East Brought Street Mansfield, Texas. As I sat there and I was thinking, I came in to this great community on a public hearing for a plat that was how was introduced to the Planning and Zoning Commission. And if I may say you all were the ones that took me in. And then after taking me in, you took in Mr. Weed and White Dregets. And you watched us as we partnered with some other planners, including Miss Amerson, Mr. Wright, and Mr. Bogdow, who has gone on before us to bigger and better things to be a director of planning for a believes the city of Kaufman. You all stood behind us as we had the town hall meetings for the D downtown district. You stood behind us as we marched our way through with Soma. You stood behind us as we marched our way through with SOMA. You stood behind us as we marched our way through with the man's build 2040 plan. This was truly a collaborative effort that evolved not only you all, the Department of Planning and Development Services, but the Office of the City Manager, the Office of Economic Development, the Office of the City Secretary, Office of Economic Development, the Office of the City Secretary, Office of Communications, Department of Engineering Services, and many, many others. When we talk about true North, when we talk about remarkable experience, when we talk about, particularly, my favorite one, together as one, this is the epitome of it. And so in U-ALL's charge, and it wouldn't be me if I didn't say it, I'm going to be a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a that is forthcoming and more so than that take care of my team. They're the ones who kept me lifted up. They're the ones who challenged me. They're the ones who encouraged me. You all have some awesome people that work here. And I'm grateful for the opportunity that I have had to be a part of that. So those are my parting words to you all, and it's not the end, it's not over. I'm only 30 minutes away. And I will be remiss to, if I didn't say thank you for your prayers. For one of my personal aspirations and dreams, which was to get into MIT, you all have played an indelible part of that, and you are an indelible part of that, and you are an indelible part of my DNA. So wherever I am, whatever I'm doing, and whatever I'm about, just know that Mansfield is always there. Love each other, take care of each other. Mike Drop. Thank you, buddy. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The commission can see the rest of staff's comments on the screen. We won't say anything after that except for call for a German. We get a motion. Motion by commission to Bennett. Second. Second by Vice-Terman Axon. Please cast your votes. Passes 5-0. We're now adjourned at 7-25-PM. But now we have to do a real picture.