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I think was going to zoom in. Can we? I'm here. Sydney was not. How have we zoomed? How have we ever zoomed? Can we vote on zoom? Well, this is what I was trying to understand that we can vote on zoom. You just, Brad, what did you find out? I needed to double check my understanding understanding on the bylaws was that you had to have a majority of each. You have to have a quorum in person. In order for us, and we have some things to vote on. Yeah, and that the quorum was based on, I believe present, those present. You could vote. I think that's like your governor changed the rules. What's it like to, uh? Okay. Well, Brad, keep us on the straight narrow if he would. The answer is, yeah. And that was for commissions. I don't know. I don't know. Good afternoon, Tina. Welcome. If you want to take a seat. Okay. But But so do we need to vote then to allow the folks who are participating by Zoom? That's three, but I don't know, Ken. Corbin, do you know if we have, is Corbin those present, like in person or is it in person, they participate online? As far as online goes, we know to be top online for purposes of online. And there will be a finding for purposes of participating in the meeting, but we're counting for them. That's not. Okay. Okay. The mission book is supposed to be a late. It's better weeks. It's right here. Yeah. Yeah. I know I needed to check in. No worries I'm Operating in the Shor by law Yeah, so they just got to get that You're late. You're the count that had to follow. There's no way. A Mary Hallet, can you hear me? Let me see. Yeah, yeah, so they just got to get the infection out there Hey Mary howdy can you hear me? I'm a couple of county I got things I can do this afternoon Commissioner Alfred's on our way upstairs We'll have work okay, all right, and thank you. So it's just like all the dudes from the city and all the ladies from the county Yes, right Got it covered all right Well, we will call the meeting to order even though Mary is on her way. And we need to then vote to allow... Well, we can't vote until we have a call. It's okay. All right. Get ready. Somebody need the motion ready. We got it. Action for the reject us. And then the emergency. Okay. All right. All right. Well, nice weather we're having. Second. You catch on quick. You catch on quick. You catch on quick. I know Friday afternoon is an awkward time for us. We're not used to doing business like this on a Friday afternoon, but we just took this empty PO restructuring as an opportunity to get us together as much as we have to do to get it done. Even if it means awkward timing. Toby here, she's on her way upstairs. So I think she's just getting there for her part. Okay. On her way up. You can check this information line up. That's true. Let's do that. Having seen the cutter presentation. Try to tell you that it's not actually making the whole thing. Yeah. Okay, let's do that. Having seen the cutter presentation. Try to tell you that it's not making a phone. Yeah. Okay, let's do that. Let's see. Is that a call to order? I get that I got lost in most of your calls. Call to order who's can't. Yeah, call to order and make an do the information. Okay, well, I did call it to order. Okay. Yes. Three o'clock. three o'clock. So, she is. I know to approve the agenda. All right. There's a motion to approve, and we have a second. Yes? Thank you, Mary. All right. Yes. If you want to call your name when you make a motion or second, so we can have that on the record for whoever's trying to take minutes. All right, I have a motion and a second and a further discussion about the agenda. Sorry. Quick question. Sorry. I can't remember how the board just said that. So this is a joint board, so we only need one motion or is this a joint meeting to where we would both have to go? Why? So we have to have forums of both commissions president that once everybody's president is just one good body. As a matter of the by-laws change the majority of both bodies. Okay, all in favor say aye. I like son opposed. All right, then we should make these extraordinary circumstances so commissioners caners can participate remotely. Okay, a motion to accept the remote participation by who who is out there. Willowitz is here. All right. Cornell and Cornell. Okay. And Duncan Walker. beautiful all right thank you welcome all right so we have a motion to approve do we have is that second we have a motion in a second second by Mary Alfred my Mary Alfred to allow participation for those three commissioners all right all in favor say aye aye like sign opposed all right thank you very much You all welcome to the meeting. And we are moving along. And did that motion for the agenda include minutes? No. No, all right. Move approval of minutes from the last meeting. Sorry. All right. OK. Alfred made the motion and Ward seconded it approval of the minutes any concerns questions All in favor say aye Like sign oppose all right. Thank you very much that motion passes to approve the minutes and Well the consent agenda to Brad Where's the girl? Thought we just did that when you were trying to figure out who's on that. We, yeah, we need to. And I'll wait and see. Usually they do it. Who would do that? Usually the person taking the minutes does it. Okay, that's right. Staff, or do they need to? Are you going to need that? Well, it might help just because Sheree is doing it. I know that she will appreciate having this call of winning with the role that will make sure she can confirm it. Of course. OK. She wants to do roll call then. Sheree, do you have the numbers? I mean, the names of all of us. Got it. I think you're right. Yeah. The only people in team are CIS, CIS, I'm not a Charles Chesa, but that roll call. So if you've got us, thank you. We're moving along. I know there are folks who have places to go and things to do. So we're really trying to get this meeting completed as efficiently as we can without cutting any corners. Okay. The consent agenda, is that, Brad, have you, so last time we had a consent agenda, it was upfront, right? No items on the consent agenda. No items that we have this time. Okay. I know that you're aware of it Friday afternoon as well. So I'm going to hand it over to you, sir. So as you will recall, this has been on the agenda, the last meeting, too, is the update of the public participation plan, which is required by various state and federal. It meets various state and federal requirements and it was updated to kind of reflect the new organization and it was timely. We kind of condensed it a little bit, made it a little more modern reflecting some of the different ways that we engage the public and notice meetings and things like that. So we are required to post it for 45 days. We did. And it's, we received minimal comments. We did have, it's not in your packet. I do have a couple copies you want to look at. But this is a red line which was posted on the eScribe. We, basically, it's, the only changes are very minimal in terms of, it's just sort of, we changed the corrected a meeting date of location and date for the B-pad meeting, and then there were some references to contact information that needed to be updated. So the substance of it has not changed at all. And so this is important because it sets the framework for future meetings including the final stages of the LRTP which is referenced in here as well. So we actually did the notification of the LRTP workshop out of the old PPP but now we're going to be able to complete it using the current PPP. So any questions available to discuss? Who is it that you surveyed or invited to participate in it? So what we have to do is we don't have to put out a survey on it. We just have to know, we put a notice in the Gainesville sign that it was available for 45 days. And that it was available through the website. We also presented to the TAC and the CAC two different occasions that got feedback from them. And what? Yeah. Yeah. It's really, we didn't get a lot of feedback other than kind of little technical, almost things that didn't need to, like if they pointed them out later, we have the authority to make those changes. It's that, it was that, you know, very technical. Like, like I said, it referenced that the BPAB was starting at seven instead of six. And it was meeting in a different location. And that sort of thing. So, but those are things that you are sort of clerical anyway you could update without having to notice the whole plan. Commissioner Bob, sorry. Commissioner Boot. Yeah, Boot, just a question so you talked about Gainesville somebody. I think it's really any mainstream media or the threshold or put it on the allatric honey website or doing right. Yeah, and what we've determined is that the way you get the word out is a little different now. It's not posting it at the library as much as putting it online and giving out their means. So it's a little more flexible. I think Madam Chair, I whole, the public participation, I think we're kind of in a new day. And I mean, that in a good way. And we're really trying to push under kind of a new MTPO, organizational structure, really push out the fact that we get some engagement of those different areas and come into the meeting. So that's my comment. Thank you, Madam. No, I think it's a good comment. Anybody else have something? Do you want to add? No, because I was concerned about not having a whole lot of feedback or a lot of. It's pretty normal. OK, is it? Yeah. I mean, this is a document is very similar to other public participation plans in time throughout the state. OK, come here. Appreciate it. I mean, I think the thing is, this is feedback on how we're getting feedback. So it's kind of meta, right? Like, eventually they're going to implement this participation plan. And that's what we really care about is that we get good feedback from people on the long-range transportation plan and process. And I think our we had asked at the last meeting for our staff and the city staff to be plugged in and to help support the outreach for that public participation process. So I think we'll be in good shape to get the feedback we need for our actual planning processes. But it's not that surprising to me that we didn't have a lot of people chime in on our public participation plan just because it's basically like our public hearings. It's like, noticed and then it shows up on our agenda. You know? And I would comment that like just having it in the county process is really helpful because there's automatic distributions that happen that Allen puts together, you know, his run of show for the week and he notes the things that are going to be talked about at the MPO and whatever he puts out. So like there's a process now that you are, that this organization is tied into that it wasn't before. Yeah, right. Any other comment? Anybody from the outlying areas, the Zoom meeting, anybody out there want to comment? Okay, seeing none, Mary, did you want to? Yeah, I moved the MTPO adopt the public participation plan. All right. Motion in a second by Ward. All right, any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. I'm Aye. Public, yes. Maybe this is where we can get the input. Anyone from the public? Yes, that's, come on, Collie. Right here. Come right here. Okay, so I'm repeating to come in. I made to the, I think it was CAC. It was CAC. You know after 30 years in this community setting up public events and going to public events there's certain things you do if you're serious about getting the public to come. And if you don't do them, you're not really looking for them, you're just checking the box. And that is food. I know there's rules about what you've just been federal money on, but I don't care where the money comes from. If you want people, people have lives. They're dealing with multiple jobs and multiple kids, and they've got to get food on the table. That evening, if you want the public there, there's got to be refreshments provided. And I don't mean doughnuts and cookies and that's just what you if you're going to be serious about getting the public to come together and you got to do what you got to do maybe it can't get in the written dogma but you all know where you're going to have people at a meeting or not what you can do. Thank you. Thank you. Tell us here's a close second. Check here. Any fun here? We'll get out of here. That's Sam. And I was in the push in and Mary been pushing that one too. All right, anyone else? Speaking to this motion of public participation plan. Come on in. I get up to the Council on my Money Taylor from the beautiful Pink City of Waldo, Florida, right next door. Thank you. That's something that I've mentioned in our Council meetings as well. If you really want people to come out and I've been saying that like since my first term and it's that I'm on my second term thank you Lord. You have to provide food and again child care as well because we have some parents and some mothers and fathers who take care of the kids. They're coming in from work and they don't have anywhere for the kids to go. The kids are running around. They're rambunctious. They want to get home. they want to eat, they want to get in their room and do whatever they do and get to homework. But if you have something at the meeting place or a little spider something going on for the kids or someone to watch them or a facility where there is a playground, I think you have more participation and as well food, because as we know when you're coming in from work,'re picking up the little ones again They want something to eat you want something to eat and it's not hungry anymore. It's hungry So let's feed that feed the kids get them situated over there in the playground and then be about business But that is one of the things that I think as well will draw people to give their public comment of what's going on and how we need to move forward. And also when you're having events have a booth or something that you have up, maybe a banner or something that you can advertise what's going on so that you can get the public and put that way. Like when you had the world, I think it was just going on, in my opinion, it should have been someone there since we're speaking to that, that was sitting there that could bring the people in or standing there like you do, maybe at the fair somewhere. You call in over to your booth. We want your input on this. And I think that's another way that you can reach people in the community. Thank you. Any other public comment? All right, seeing none. All right, they were say aye. All right. I think like Sinopause. All right. Brad, you've got some good notes there. Okay. All title six limited English proficiency plan. So this is a corollary to the public participation plan that it intended to ensure that your efforts to engage public is addresses the needs of the low-income communities or disadvantaged communities and limited English proficiency. So again, this was the same requirement. We posted it for 45 days. I will tell you that the one thing that was one significant change, we posted this on February 18th. February 18th. In the first week of March, there were two executive orders that were rescinded that were referenced in this document. So we removed those. At this underlying statutory requirements in change, there's been no guidance from FHWA that's different, but we wanted to make sure that those references were removed. And it related to environmental justice and English as the official language, just that within those executive orders that were enacted in early March, they were sended to previous executive order. So it doesn't change the content here just so we didn't want to have executive order reference that had been rescinded. So those were the changes that were made. Okay. All right. So we need to go to accept those changes. I just have one question. I know in our document, does it reference our language access coordinator? It just has Jackie Chung. So I don't know if she's meant to be the like point person and then she gets them to the language access coordinator or how that works, but I just found it odd that it's our equal opportunity manager and not our language access coordinator for limited English proficiency. Is there, I mean we can, okay, I mean we can change that. Okay. I don't know, I mean it's a staff level question. Yeah. And I don't think that's, it's administrative and nature in terms of who the contact person is, but I just want to bring that up that we do have a language access coordinator it may save Jackie some headache if we put their contact information in here for like what limited English proficiency. in terms of who the contact person is, but I just want to bring that up that we do have a language access coordinator and it may save Jackie some headache if we put their contact information in here for what limited English proficiency. We'll make that change. And is this published in Spanish as well? Is this published in Spanish? No, no, it's not. That's not. That's not. We do have a language access translator, I guess I would remove that we translate our language limited English proficiency document into the language most often spoken besides English, so that people can actually read it. I think, um, down chair, please. I think that we do. We go to the mic because I need to hear you. There's no order off. You just talk. El S's Transportation Planning Manager for the county. Madam Chair, I think the reason Ms. Jackie Chung was listed as opposed to a specific language translation. Staff person was because there is a broader kind of accommodation that may be requested, so it would probably be routed to the appropriate person. All right any further questions comments. I move adoption of the limited English proficiency plan and ask that the county support translating it into Spanish. Sorry. All right. Question is second by two seconds. Angle and word. They're both on there together. Okay, any comments from the visitors? Public comment? Wild figures say aye. Like Simon Fos. Thank you very much. All right, that motion passes unanimously. All right, Brad, I think this is Brad I think this is also your item. Yeah and the next four are all Tip amendments that were requested by the department and You have to take them up individually but but but basically they're The same nature. There's three of them are resurfacing projects, and then one is a bike lane. And they're all actually in the work program. That's been adopted. And they're, but the department wants to be able to advertise. So it will be adopted in the next tip. But they want to put it in the current tip so that they can advertise and get moving so they can advance the projects before the next fiscal year. So they can advertise. And AKAs here as well, if you wanted to comment on those. but it's essentially to to accelerate the advertisement of the project It's all of the tip of amendment for SR 26 State road 26 University Avenue out to what these 39th all of our no, that's yes,'s the one. Sorry, got to mute checks all right motion to approve second. All right thank you. Eastman second. Any comments from the community regarding this? This is something we've already got going right right? Yeah, it's just a matter of being glad that we got it. Yeah and and so absent this, we would be updating the tip for the 2526, the 2930 with this in, but then we would have to wait until July, they would have to wait to actually see how it adopted and then start advertising, so they get ahead of it got you. Okay. I'll just say bumping them. All in favor say aye. All right. I think like sign opposed. All right. The next one is state road 26A, southwest second avenue from University Avenue to University Avenue which is a non-president that confused me at first but it actually made sense. So he was me too. I was trying to figure out a little over there. Let me get you. It's actually, it's kind of, I think it pull up the map on that. Once you see that, it does make sense, but he kind of runs south, so it's 26A. So you're right, you're your emergency app goes here and it kind of goes south and comes back up. So you have it listed, Mr. Thuried south with second avenue is what it is. Please, OK. I'm going to see what I've thought of south with second avenue. I thought of south with second avenue. Right here. I mean when he pulled. Yeah, this is the speech. Right here. I was like, wait, when he pulled it up, and I remember it the, yeah, I'm not gonna tell him. Okay, all right, do I have a motion to approve? I move approval, book, second, Eastman. All right, thank you. I have a motion and a second. Anyone from the public like to comment on this project? Anybody from the board question? All in favor say aye. Aye. We're like sign a post. That motion passes unanimously as well. Anybody on Zoom? I'm not seeing or hearing from you so just shout out if you have a comment you'd like to make. Mary Ellen, I'm Texan Alasas if I need to. Thank you. All right, absolutely. Feel better. Okay. Transportation improvement program, amendment, state road 200. US 301 from North State Road 26 to Waldo Road. North Eastdo Road. Yeah. Again, this is a resurfacing project similar to that, and you can see the map here. Motion to approve. The addition to the tip. So yeah. Motion in the second, Aston. Pricy and then Eastman. I don't know why I can't follow the footprints from the room. You know, your voice is pretty my report card. Your voice is pretty clear here. All right. Any comments? Anyone from the community? Good comment? These should be looking good. If you all are seeing these things out here, you all should be feeling pretty good about these things. All right all in favor say aye. All right. Like son pose. All right motion passes unanimously. Thank you. I'm sorry you had to come on with you. Yeah. Golly. All right. 7.6 transportation improvement program amendment state road 26 new berry road from 43rd Street to to Southwest 38th Street. You've got a map for that one too? This is actually bike lanes and a sidewalk. Oh, that's right. And I know that this is a good item that has been discussed. So it's a little less perfunctory than the resurfacing, but. Absolutely. Yes, sir. I don't question on the bike lanes. And are there going to be normal bike lanes? Or they made the session with that before, but I'm going to get so many questions. What is it? Is it going to be normal or is it protected or buffered? I think that's your cue. It's supposed to be a little too spath. Yeah. It's why? Yeah, it's a lovely, easy one. Yeah. OK, our brown chapter planning manager with FDOT, it is a multi-use path about eight to twelve. Okay. Will the other currently be protected? No, they won't be protected. This is, you know, a wife's sidewalk for. No, I heard that, but are there still be bike lanes on the road or'm talking about what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what I'm talking about. Anything else that you'd like to ask or say? Well, I would like to add previously, he just sent the minute letter. It had both CARU and CARL funding. We did replace that funding with SU. Admin, the return of the CARL funding to the legislation. So that means it was, I thought it was always coming out. It was. It was not coming out of our ass. It was some of it, but not like, you know, four million was coming out of it. So it was coupled with essay funds for S.U. funds as well as carl and car funding. So it kind of makes it match the funds to let a project. So this, instead of just moving the project outward because lack of funding, we just threw more SU funding at it to keep it moving forward. Okay. So the original funding that was allocated was used in? It was around 348,000 of SU that has been increased to a million of SU. Okay. So that's coming more on more funds than previous? Yes. That's a shame. Sorry about that. It is. It is. Would you define S? They have a motion. S-A is just a distance for surface urban transportation. And what's the other one? It's same. It's used interchangeably. S-A is yours. Yes, because they're both yes. They stand for the same. It's not my acronyms, but they so about locate like they have a program that runs to the state and the federal Federal statute requires that certain funds are sub allocated to urbanized areas and so that's it's so it's sub allocation of urban area So just so the as you've done that's a pretty million dollars roughly that we have that that I don't know if you would call it state federal or local funds, but it's what we have to spend down and then previously the state is paying larger portion of it that's been drawn down and in order to make sure it moves forward we have to work for like I don't know. But we are we are we are paying the difference at this point, with that's what this step of moment is basically doing. Is that? Not when this is certainly say you all are paying the difference. You all have surplus because you guys just became a TMA. You kind of build up an account. So yes, it's three and a half, but you technically have about, I would say, part double that. And so it's not, you're not towards zero per se, but you have funding to move around. And that's why we were able to program that actually, because if not, then the state would not have matched it. I'm going to be sitting in there. I wish there was a state match. You could see that. Yeah, like the overall project. I don't have it, you know, the overall amount of the project and totality, but what we have programmed as far as 25,000 of SA and a million of SU, so a million and 25. But the project can more or less be a little bit more. But for now, that's just for preliminary engineering, that's not a clue in your construction cost so we you know as we remember we keep the projects funded through Through different phases through construction, but keeping it age-only You don't have that here Could you help me with a couple of the other acronyms the DDR and district dedicated revenue And I may not have all of the absolute, but let me see, I'm sorry. That's okay. And then the IA. I'm sorry. The IA. That one I do not know. Okay. It's a state. Anything that starts with a D. D. It's a state fund. Yes. So it's interstate highway, but it's state funding for interstate I think is that's correct and back to mr Commission of Eastman's question that's some of the matching that the state does Anytime you see a D on there as state funds I The work program work is. I'm like challenging you. Second. I'm seconding, Prisya, towards motion. All right. I'm sorry. I've got two different agendas here, you guys. This is one that I was working on, but I see this is the one you all have too. All right, so we are voting on that motion to approve. The sidewalk. Multi-spoke. Yes, okay, thank you. We don't have a work mix that's called Multi-spat. That's why we have a bike lane sidewalk. Thank you. I got to distract anybody from the public. I want to speak to this. This was a big deal for us. None? All in favor say aye. I'm sorry, please. You have to pull her just like they do. I bring slairs in. Are you pleased? Please. I may not have a question. I want to find out if this particular air improvement includes DOT's work with upgrading bus stops. Is that a totally separate thing or is it part of it? Is it in this one also? Is there a bus stop on this? No. I don't think there's DOT's been doing bus stops. RTS has been doing bus stops. Yeah, but DOT has some. The issue is that DOT has to inspect these sites at various steps and because they're not giving good coordination of when they're coming, we have bust ups that are having their benches removed. It's just strip bare, just add extra concrete in some cases. But then bust ups that have had seating all along go without seating for a month, two months, because this window for DOT to inspect and approve holds them up from finishing the stop and putting the seating back. And if they would just do their extra work to give us succinct, you know, give, tell us a week, a day, that they're coming. You could shorten the time where people have to go without seating at stops where they've been used to be able to rest. I can stand to stand up, but this some people who really need to get to the stop and sit down. I don't recall there being a bus stop near the site of the project but DOT doesn't build bus stops indoor. We don't coordinate that but I perhaps RTS can speak to that. Hey, Sue, can speak to the coronation. That's fine. We do coordinate with the DOT. Any product that has, we know it's happening. We have access to the DOT. We may recommend But sometimes they say they don't have the funding to do the improvement and sometimes they do. So 13th Street, they're being able to do a lot of improvements on their own and sometimes they don't. When they don't, we try to do it ourselves, but like Kali said, sometimes they get a time to get the inspection. So we can have the benches and the shelters back installing that on the improvement. Thank you. So is there some step we can take that would better coordinate between those two agencies in? I mean, is there somebody at DOT or RTS we need to put in contact so that we're not without benches for two months at a time? We do have a sort of, you would say, a work flow, it's an ERC program that yeah, and that allows the city or county to comment on projects during the different phases of like design. So I can definitely take that back and ensure that that connection is continuously being made with our bike pan coordinator as well. Thanks. All right. All in favor, say hi. Hi. I'm Emily Sankhut. I'm a commission passes. And you can sleep. All right. And then, uh, meeting calendar, you all have one thing. Just a little bit of paper. That would have made it out of different, um, like things in the packet and what first isTP about the timeline for adoption. And it has to be adopted every five years. So, oh, sorry. Oh, sorry, the last time it, thank sorry. The last time it was adopted on August 24th. So that's the deadline. And there's certain ramifications if you're not done in that timeline that you don't want to incur. And so the board meeting is currently scheduled is currently scheduled for the first week of August. And they really need that extra time to get to the point of adoption. So we have worked through schedules and identified August 19 as a date that works for both the city and County commissions. And so we were looking at that and then also moving the TAC and the CIC to the week before. So it'll be a little bit condensed, but it allows us to give them the most time to complete and have adoption prior to August 24. They can't wait till September meeting. In addition to that, what was in here was we scheduled out subcommittee meetings because we were kind of doing those ad hoc and it was just a little bit difficult. So we scheduled out as many as we could and with the idea that they could be canceled if they need to. And then the other thing that was important here is that we have moved back all the TACC, CAC and B-PAP meetings one week. As what was happening is once we were meeting every month, the TACC, CAC, was backing up to the board meeting. And so we really weren't ready to have those meetings and develop, and so we were adding things to the agenda after those meetings. And we had like three weeks between them, and we really don't need that much time between the TAC and the CAC and a full board, because the agendas should generally be about the same. And so that's what's reflected here. What's different on this from what you received in the packet and what was posted is that August meeting for the LRTP adoption. Now what that also does is we remove the September meeting and we push back the August meeting. We've not, we kept both of the subcommittee meetings knowing there'll be conversations about hiring executive director hopefully and so we didn't want to cancel any of the subcommittee meetings if they were useful in that effort. So, Harvey brought up the calendar from before, when is our break for the City Commission again? These all fit in. Yeah, these all fit. We're okay. All right, we get. Okay, Commissioner, angle. So, kind of new to this whole process. So, a little bit of grace that I appreciate. So, the LRTP has to be passed by August 24th, or there's some serious repercussions. You basically can't do tip of amendments and projects can lapse, and so you run into... Like, even if it's a day, you can run into a lot of requirements from a bureaucratic standpoint that you don't want to have to endure. So it's important that you get it done in time. I guess my concern with that would be, were there kind of five days before deadline in the end of August, which sometimes gets to touch stormy in this area? Something is that, do we have enough of a buffer, given that we're talking about five days before a hard deadline? And we have issues like that at the public. So, this is the one on the mic. and Like we may want to schedule to A backup an alternate meeting It's not a bad idea per cable I Mean it just seems like if it was that big a deadline to head on rather shoot earlier in the month and see if we could get it and if not we could fall back to the 20 we could we could do is we could keep the early August meeting and keep and then as we get closer we could cancel one potentially. Yeah, keep the August fourth meeting and keep the August fourth and then we'll do okay that's that could I like that August 19 There's also a little post my birthday Okay, we'll look we'll we'll do the same with the TAC CAC and then we'll just kind of as we get closer we can cancel meeting so that's easier, thank you chair. Question on the August meeting is that when the goal is to have the executive director and have you using decision made of that meeting or that time? I guess if you don't want a September meeting that kind of is. We're still in the process. Do you know what that is? No, I'm not a gentleman on that. We don't have the dates and deadlines for that yet. So might be good to keep us to our meeting then as well. But it should be running into that kind of time, right? We'll go over it. You said last week, check was July, August, when it would go out. Right? Not when we get it back again. Oh, no, I think they want to have candidates ready to do go through interviews. And okay, so by the whole process, do I, I guess. Okay, so that would come back to us, or come back to the subcommittee in August, potentially have a final three in August of September. Okay. We also don't want to wait too long from like when you're talking to them till the meetings too. There's two spread out and people go find other jobs. Thank you, Madam Chair. We might want to have a special meeting for that purpose. Yeah, I mean, just once we figure out the exact dates. We rather than trying to jam it up with other things, we want to clear ahead with that. Yeah, and a lot of this sort of, you guys planning tip amendments, things like that, like when, like, that's a lot of when you're discussing this kind of stuff. I mean, this has nothing to do with that. This is a totally different process. That's what I was going to say, I think that the hiring process is going to be like separate and apart from these like business meetings that will have to figure out a schedule for once we have a sense of the candidates and their availability etc. separate and apart from these like business meetings that will have to figure out a schedule for once we have a sense of the candidates and their availability etc. Commissioner Eastman through chair are you discussing today the process of hiring the executive director and I'm sorry I missed the last subcommittee meeting We talked about it the last subcommittee.'m gonna go over it I'm out of chair of the question. Yes, sir. Thank you Just I probably should have caught this before but item seven Section three which deals with state road 26 to state road 20's a map error, it's just a scrivener's error, but we don't want that because folks are not going to know what road, which I'm not says Northeast 38 Boulevard and what it is is Northeast 39 Boulevard and Northeast 39 Avenue. So it's so. Is it in the, as long as it's in the, it's the backup map. Yeah, okay. As long as it's in the motion, I work it. You know, the motion's fine. We just want to make sure we can correct that. So if someone sees it, they won't give the figure out what road it is. Yep. Yeah, okay, as long as it's in the motion right we're good you know motions fine We just want to make sure we can correct that so if somebody sees it they won't give it a figure out what road it is Thank you Not quite sure where we need to move to the NTPO revised calendar with the additional office for meeting Okay, yes, Prisia-a. There are not. All right, Christian, Christian and Ward. All right, so if there, Rhett, if you had any, what are the issues with the, are you running into problems in terms of scheduling with this, or is just a matter of trying to get everybody's? So what we do is the, I mean, the city and the county are we going to get it back running? Okay, so we just rely on... So we just got it, so they get right back to us. Okay, all right. Any further questions? I actually do. Yes, so you gave us a printed copy. The August meeting, one line says August 4th and the calendar changes to the 19th. We just moved to have both of them. Yeah okay. So the motion is to just keep both of them better. We're going to keep the ones that we're adding the 19th. Anything else? All in favor say aye. Okay. That's aye. Both. Thank you. All right. And subcommittee report. Brad, let me ask you right quick before we had talked about somewhere on I thought the agenda of approving the party, the representative from the outlying communities at this meeting. That's what our commission meeting is. Not commission meeting. The commission, okay. All right, got it. Okay, I just wanted to make sure that we were clear on. It's our visitor today. For this Tuesday. For this Tuesday. We did have one item of new business. I don't know if you want to take it up now or at the end. No, we can take it now. This was simply and you should have a, you should, I handed out the meeting memo related to signature authority for the bank accounts. Nots here to talk, to answer any questions that you can explain the need for this, but essentially the chair of vice chair in the county have to have folks that are authorized to sign items related to the bank accounts. So, yes. Hi, Madam Chair. Todd Hutchison, finance director for the Elatria County Clerk of Court for the record. Before you is, so since the interlocal agreement has officially been executed a couple of weeks ago, we've been in the process of building out MTPO's new financial system and general ledger and all that set up. We've also opened a new bank account so that we can track the funding separately from Elatua County Board of County Commissioners funding. part of the interlocal agreement authorizes the Board of County Commissioners to pre-fund $150,000 for cash float and so that we have operating funds to pay invoices before submitting invoices to FDOT for reimbursement. So the item before you today is to request the OOTPO Board to authorize the chair to be one of the signatories on that account. It's a separate account under the Electrocounties. Umbrella accounts with Bank of America, but it is isolated to only OMPO activity. Can your name also be? I'm one of the authorized, yeah, I'm one of the ones that has to approve it before your signature winds up on the authorization. We've got your cover, Mary Helen. OK. So right, my favorite talks, names on it, we're good. Aaron, anybody, whoever is the chair, Commissioner Christie. Let's a totally random question. I'm going to annoy all of you with it. But do we have to bang with Bank of America? We do not have to, if you want this up and running anytime Soon you have to bank with a bank of America and the interim in the sense that it's extremely difficult under certain laws to get an institutional entity like this new bank account. It took me about four and a half months to get career sources new bank account going. So in the interim, I would advise that if we want to have an operational account, it has to be under the counties on Brilla. Long-term note, I could certainly put out an RFQ and select a bank, a new bank for banking services. But right now, in order just for, uh, expediency, that's the only way I can get an account up and running. Okay, thanks. Motion to approve, Senator, authority for the chair. Perfect. Thank you. I'm going to offer a mission in Prudcia and seconded by Alpert. Any questions? I mean, just throw that procedural question. Not to, I don't see the laborless point, but I'm sorry. Is there a, I know we used to have pretty strict limitations on what kind of financial institutions we can use but can we use credit union to have Or is it still forbidden? It has to be a qualified, it is a QPD account qualified public depository. Of course the bank that we're using meets that requirement because these are all public funds. Thank you. Okay, any other questions? Did you have a question? No, okay. All right. Any... Okay, any other questions? Did you have a question? No, okay. All right. Any concerns for the community? Believe me, Tom's name is on it. We're good. I'm telling you. All right. All in favor say aye. Aye. I'm like Simon Hose. Thank you. Motion passes unanimously. All right. Thank you, Chad. We're getting that. Have'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. the committee is really just trying to get three things done. We're trying to onboard an executive director, trying to get our bylaws in place. We're trying to make sure that, and make sure that we get everything so that we can see all of our new TMF. So once we're through with that, we're going to decide whether we want to have a permanent executive committee, something like that, but we are a short-term committee working on only those things. A lot of our, so we reviewed the bylaws in the last meeting. I don't know. We gave some feedback to the bylaws. Brad, do you know when we think that those will be back before the MTPO for approval? So the bylaws would be adopted at the time that all members are able to sit. And so what we are, we made, we had feedback on the enactment, the establishment in our local. That's the changes have been put in place. It's going through final review and hope our plan is that each of the governing boards could take up the enactment or the establishment or a local and that the signature signatures could be in place in May, so that at the June meeting, everybody could be there and we could actually adopt the new by-. So June would be our target for the bylaws. Okay. And then everyone would be seated by that. So that was the airport authority voting, school board would be voting. And the role number would be vote. Yeah, we're the planes that we'll remember on our Dundan Tuesday. Awesome. So we're close. We're going to close to at least that portion of it. I guess we'll one month out from that with the bylaws. But a lot of the discussion was about the executive director, which is sort of the linchpin of this whole thing, is getting someone in who will then oversee everything. We have the support services agreement in place, which meant that now, county HR can begin working with us sort of moved this process through. We reviewed the position description. I don't think we had a whole lot of feedback on the position description. The county HR said they wanted to take a look at it. We talked about salary ranges and what kind of benefits we wanted to give. We set it on 120,000 to 140,000 as a salary range looking at the caliber of folks that We were looking at here, where people are coming out of, and what we looked at various MTPO other salaries, and figured that was kind of right there in that range area. And so my understanding having talked to Brad beforehand was that we were looking at county HR putting that out, they'll be spending some money advertising, I don't know where we landed in terms of whether or not we can get reimbursed, whether the county can be reimbursed for that. Yeah, I don't know the answer to that, but there is a lot of opportunity for getting the word out without having to pay the advertisement. We look at it and I defer to the county in terms of what's effective from their perspective in terms of getting interested in position. So we don't know that we can advertise or we know we don't believe we can. I know I don't know if the state would reimburse for an advertisement. That's the question. So I don't know. There may be local funds that are in, I know there are some local funds in the budget that you can use as an account. So. I don't see why not. I don't see anything that would be a reason why you couldn't. I could see it as something as administrative, like any other position that you all were seeking to be paid through your PL dollars. That's fine. What was important to us in that whole thing is that, so we're not going with an outside firm right now to do the job recruitment. So we want to make sure that we got it out everywhere that we could, that it was well advertised, because we don't want to have to go through this process. We could easily get back in July or August as we go through the process, not think that there's anyone who's really qualified to take on this role, which is high level role, kind of in an odd period, you want to get somebody good without having someone within the industry that can find people in there. We want to make sure that we are putting everything out as far as we can. And so a little bit of money spent on the front end in terms of advertising is we thought a worth looking into digging into. There was questions about whether we can fund moving expenses on top of the salary. So a high level person coming in might say, well, I'm happy to move. We probably don't have anyone local that would be capable of taking over the MTPO. Maybe we do, but for a lot of folks, they would be living somewhere else coming in. Would we be able to reimburse for moving expenses? And that was another thing that we were looking into. Basically, we'd be putting this out. HR will be, county HR along with one subcommittee member, which we picked Mary Alfred to be. We'll be reviewing all the resumes, helping to whittle us down into three to five somewhere in there, if I remember correctly, three to five folks that would then be going to the subcommittee and the full board for review at that point. And then we would be selecting as an MTPO who want that to be. Yes, I just comment on the, so I have had some communications with FDOT on relocation, removing expenses, as well as the potential to give basically the negotiating committee as many tools as they can as they're negotiating and off the right. And so Severance Pay was also discussed at the subcommittee, whether that's something that could be in the employment contract. and what's been confirmed is I'm still getting with the county's HR, but if the county has similar policies and procedures for executive searches for executive positions, if we provide those policies, then those will be allowable expenses within reason, obviously. But yes, relocation and moving is something that would be covered and potentially the ability to offer some sort of severance, you know, if you terminate them without cost. And so, yes, I'm so sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, that said, I mean we'll have the position description out. I would try to get it out to any of your networks, anyone that you might know within the transportation industry and make sure that we can find something good within there and then, you know, this will be an important position to hire. So I guess we'll be ready for that. And August, September, whenever that finally comes forward. The Commissioner Cornel has something he wants to say. Thank you, Madam Chair. I was going to say just what Todd just actually said, which is, you know, county HR has done statewide national searches before. So I would take their their recommendations I agree with relocation moving and potential severance. Mary, if you get to a point where you don't think you have three to five good applicants, then I'm happy spending more money but I think County HR can probably handle and you know, lots of counties is the greatest place in the world to live. So I think we're going to get a lot of good after that. I think we'll do well. It says the toad in his own pond. That's right. Let's see to where she knows what we're talking about. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, my chair. What we were offering was, was it? I did. I did. kind of run it a test with somebody that is in the in the MPO executive director world and they their response was that's competitive there are some smaller MPOs throughout the state with the executive directors that would probably be interested because a lot of what's happened in the, throughout the industry is there, there has been successful increases in some of the compensation for the executive directors in certain areas, but it's not across the board. So there are some that are in areas that have kind of been left behind a little bit and you may attract them. And so you may find somebody in the state that's got experience and would look at Gainesville's unique opportunity with a competitive salary and a great place to live like say and kind of be able to put your mark on a new entity is kind of neat. So I think you'll find you'll get some interest. So I just wanted to confirm commission through the chair. So you you guys are anticipating September for the Executive Director to be seated? That is what I just heard from Mr. Bober from County HR. It's being August, I was September on the... Not seated necessarily like chosen. H chosen in September. Okay, well that's some things that we you know we should probably the subcommittee and we're along with HDR because we were contracted with them through June. So we can we you know trying to get it out by when well they they will get them out before then. So if you have a candidate and you wanted to have a special meeting and an accelerated process, that would be. I think the hard part is that June is their commission break, July is our commission break. Okay. And the end of our budget cycle and budget meetings. So it's hard to like the time to do all those interviews and stuff like that. So I think I'm betting HR was trying to time it such that we don't have the issue that Adrian was talking about where we do a bunch of interviews and I'm believing people hanging for a period of time. Maybe the existing agency will be willing to do a month like an extension for a couple months, giving the scheduling. Maybe that's how we bridge that gap. You just need to be aware. Yes. Thank you. Any other questions for Dr. One just, I think to the point like as soon as they come back, you guys get those maybe the something that you can have in our earlier meeting as well just to try to. Because as long as they are looking for, we don't want like month between kind of things, this is quickly can go. Right, I mean my dream is like day 30 of meeting we'd be able to. Yeah, hopefully. Is it going to go off for 45 days or 30 days or? Anywhere you're going to start was once you put it out for a time you have to leave it out for time so I think we were starting with 30 days and then if we needed to expand we can expand it but we didn't want to like once you've committed to that that time you have to kind of let that you can't do it. Yeah, you can't do it. But we didn't want to, like, once you've committed to that deadline, you have to kind of, like, it can't be allowed back. It can't short it. Yeah, it can't short it. You can always, like, make sure it's not. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Thanks for your time. All right. Miss, yes. Sorry. You have to know that this is microphone for the record. It is a steering. Yes ma'am. As far as trying to get a qualified person for the position, I'm a member. I'm pretty sure you all are aware of the Florida legal cities, which are my member of, but they've come up this year with something called Florida City Jobs. You can input what you would like for the qualifications in there and here's an example. If you like, and it's all government related, every single thing about this is government related. So you can enter your information in here of exactly what you want, all the good criteria, and most likely you will probably get the best candidate from here because again, it's all geared towards people that are in government right now so it's Florida City jobs.com nest through the Florida League of Cities. Thank you. Very cool. Okay. Any other comments? Okay. Mr. Gomez, you have something for us today? You're welcome to come in here this chair or you got one there, okay, thank you. RTS is looking to evaluate the mine fresh phone services and we were not, DOT was nice enough to fund their analysis. And we have a rubbed grate from Carter, the Center for Human Transportation Research, USF Tampa, who did that report for us. So one of the duty requirements that you need to present to the City Commission and to the NTPO Commission for discussion. Well? I'm very excited to share with you. I apologize. We meant to have you members with the city who see my standup on this. My presentation was designed to be a summary of a couple of hundred pages report that you're all welcome to read, if you like, and some technical reports. Well, it's an exact, exact summary. But if I may, I will go, I may just speed over a slide and just pick up, I think, some very important points that you all should at least hear from the presentation today. And am I going to do this right, Brad? No, I'm not. So today, the introduction was done. Again, I'm Rob Gregg with the Center for Urban Transportation Research. And the study purpose, I have a slide to go over that, but it's specifically to address the ADA demand response service that RTS provides. It cannot be looked at alone, and I'm gonna explain that a bit. There's what you all should be familiar with, which is a TD program, a transportation disadvantage program. There's specific markets dealing with ADA, and some of those customer markets are also addressed by the TD program. It was important for us to focus on ADA, but you'll see where I'm going as far as what the combined issues are and how it impacts everybody in this room, customers, as well as the county and the support that RTS gets for funding these services. So with that, I've said a lot in some of the slides I'm going to show, and give you kind of a feel for the approach that we took. And if I dwell on anything, it might be the recommendations. And I'm going the wrong way. Okay. So again, the most important things that came about in designing this was, well, what are our objectives? And specifically, it was, are we meeting our ADA requirements? I'll explain that in a moment. And particularly what those, the cost of those that service, what's happened to it in the past couple of years. Part of the approach was to take a look at what's the best practices in the industry, what are some of our neighbor transit agencies doing, and you all made it big. When I was back here going to school at a games, well, we were a small little place, and now we're over 200,000 urban population. So you bounce into the big leagues, so to speak, and so we took a look at what might even our future look like as far as designing these services. And I'm going to get my finger used to this. Some of the most important issues related to this is the cost control of the ADA service and the relationship of what I mentioned, the ADA and the transportation disadvantage program. Most specifically we found, again, fast-forward here, is the service is currently contracted with MV Transportation. Who, in a unique situation throughout the state here, is also the CTC for you all in this region. I'll give you a quick slide when I get to it. This will make a brief one I get to that slide. That's very unique in the state of Florida. Gainesville is unique in that there's only two city transit operated systems in the state, Tallahassee and Yolk. And we're one of the few CTCs that are a for-profit organization. Doing this is not uncommon at all in the industry of contracting out and having a turn key type of contract with a provider and there's benefits on both sides of that. Contracting out or bringing the services into the city operations that RTS is part of. What is CTC? Community Transportation Coordinator. Yeah, stop me with that because I've got a jargon of my own off on the transit field. And you all are related to all this as the MTPO. And this other one that's going to come up, sir, is the LEPA coordinating board. So there is some uniqueness in Gainesville. And that fed into what we looked at who's doing water around the country within the state and to provide RTS with some advice about some possibilities in the future as far as recommendations go. This is a quick through here again. One of the points in doing this analysis was to look at the existing demand response service and what is emerging in the industry of looking at mobile services where there's an app for a customer to use. Issue there is the accessibility of those apps and the ADA requirements, the American with disabilities' actual requirements with those. So ADA is a civil liberty, and to put it to the point, anywhere there's a fixed route service, we or anybody running a public transportation service, must provide equal access to that service. If you can't get on the fixed route, you have to have a complimentary service, that's the demand response service I'm talking about. The parameters to provide that is within three quarters of a mile of that fixed route, that's your ADA service area. Gainesville in the past, well for a number of years, basically blanketed the entire county, provided to anybody who called for that service. Recently, and one of the approaches across again, the country is, well, what is the required service area of the federal government? That parameter of 3.25 miles says, well, when you're in that zone, that 3.25 miles zone, that's where you'll have to provide it. And so there's been somewhat of a fallback, because of course, in funding to say that's what our service area will be. That is not the case for the TD program. And again, I'll get to a little bit to that as I try to run through some of the slides. What did I do? I really messed it up tonight. The study took a look at the various types of demand response service. That's the blanket category of ADA, coordinated service, which was very progressive when I was involved with that program in designing it in the state of Florida, where there's specific state funds for that program. Every county gets a portion of that funds. Back to that CTC and the local coordinating board, there's a requirement in that system to coordinate all human resource transportation services of federal funds. And in the state with the TD, they designed a great coordinated system. It's somewhat of the format of what was developed in other states. Not to the level F.The State of Florida has with F.The funding of the TD program. I'm not going to read this chapters to you, but it's the statute. And there's upwards of $50 million annually distributed throughout the state to the various counties for the TD program. What's important about that is this relationship, I want to express it, there's it's somewhat confusing particularly to customers out there and some local areas throughout the state. ADA is a civil right. It addresses persons with disabilities. The TD program also addresses persons with disabilities, but it's where there's not a funding source for those trips. In addition, the TD program provides service for those who can't afford it based on income, as well as age. Please. The TD is a 50% match from the state. The TD is a match program. It's not a match. It's, it's, it's, it actually can be a match for federal funds, but it's state funding that has criteria. There's an eligibility. And one of the most significant impact on local budgets is there cannot be, it can't supplant any other funds and it can be, it's the last resort as far as having funding. So technically, if you have an ADA zone, and this I don't want to be labored too much of this, but if you have an ADA zone, you're required by ADA to provide that in the civil rights, and you can't use the TD funds for that. Gotcha. But particularly in the rural areas throughout the state, the TD funds are used significantly, or all the funds that might be available with local involvement. So, organizationally, this is another important point and I promise I'm not going to do this with every slide, but you all are have a relationship with our brothers and sisters at the city, the county, UF and other local sources to provide service. Anybody involved with providing support for funding for fixed route? There's a hook with the Civil Rights requirement of ADA. Gainesville City Commission has a relationship with that requirement of using federal funds, but there's also a relationship with the TD program, the transportation disadvantage. You all sit on the local coordinating board of the TD program in the county. The really good part of this relationship is there's a means to work to get it to figure out where we go with the best way to control costs as well to provide service to the customers. Something that will come up and I'll speak to it now is so be aware you're balancing out these two types of services. one of our recommendations is, don't want to split this service up. It's inefficient, meaning one organization operates it and another operates the other programs. It's much more efficient to keep it together. That's the way it is now under contract, but there's other options to do that altogether. This is just the wow picture, particularly for RTS and putting its budget together and seeking funds to continue on with the fixed route services. During the COVID years, so to speak, there was actually loss and ridership everywhere and so costs when budgets were less than the year before. But then what happened in 2021 is that the five-year contract was up. So there's two five-year contracts here, one with the RTS contract and with MV Transportation and the local coordinating board and particularly the county. There's a CTC five-year contract with the TD Commission. I'm sorry for all the acronyms, I'm doing my best. But now that we've had that, and across the state, five-year contracts have come up, and we've seen a bump particularly on the cost of operating the most expensive service you could provide in public transit is power transit services. And particularly, along with everything else, costs of vehicles and equipment and gas, labor was significantly increased. Now the good part, maybe a good thing that came out of increasing the labor rates is the service got better. We maintained our drivers. That was a real issue, having enough drivers to provide the service. Scootin' along. So very quick, and I'm going to skip a lot of slides here. The analysis process was let's take a look at the trends in existing conditions here. Let's look at what the industry is doing, and then come up with some findings and alternatives. Very just for your eyes to see, we of course defined that ADA service. So this is based on not jurisdictional boundaries, although we did that. It's based on where the fixed routes are and where the three quarter mile radius around those routes are to define what the ADA service required services are, that service area. And then we populated by origins and destinations to give us a good feel for that. Now for that, looking at the existing management model, as I mentioned, MV transportation, private concern is, was contracted to provide that service for both ADA services and the TD services. A turnkey type of operation with the private sector is not unusual. It's one of the predominant approaches. However, how you manage that and what responsibilities are different and that we, that's where we went really down into things. And again, not to describe this in detail, but we looked at each function of the demand response service ADA, TD and looked at where right now the model is its turnkey RTSPRIP provides great oversight and management and customer follow-up with the service but all of the call-intake, all of the scheduling, all of the dispatching, all the providing of the service is provided by MV with maybe in recent times, I suppose, vehicles were provided to the mix, meaning RTS provided some of its vehicles, again, fortunately, helped with the funding that the state provided for that vehicle. Those are the two areas that might, we might even look at a little bit more as far as make it more cost effective in the future. So great, great model information out there is for us research about keep your combinggle your services under one house so to speak. Certainly if you key, you may get a lower price but you lose more control, which to me is a cycle of, you might not be as efficient either, when you lose control of things. And particularly, demand response, having experienced in that in a number of years myself, it's the most sensitive customer market we have. And it's the most important relationship, drivers, and dispatchers and customer service have with the customer. We took a look at a database and said, okay, well, we're not far off the base with where we are with performance indicators. However, maybe we could do better if we change how the overall system is managed. And again, that bump in 2023 was revealed with the data that we looked at when the 2021 the contract ended. A new contract was brought in and we increased cost by over a million dollars. So we took a look of, again, across the board, I'm really just emphasizing the detail we went in, and emphasizing what I mentioned up front, which is the uniqueness of Gainesville. We looked at the 27 counties that are over 200,000 population urbanized areas and we took a look at who runs those systems and coordinate that as well as what types of management they have. I have a question. Yes. The square miles, what's that? The total area of the county or just the area of the transit area? It looks like it's the the county. Yeah, the in the TD program. It is the county. It is a tiny service area. But then again, as I mentioned, the eligibility might say, well, you have ADA there or you have accessible fixed route. And so what is the eligibility? Is the customer comes in with that? Thank you for that observation. We also take a look at very specific agencies that we might learn from or know where they've been and where they went and where we might go. And in particular, Palm Tran and Pinellas County pointed out the best things to take a look at for the future of where we are here in Gainesville. Just how they put together the demand response, how the organization of the transit agency was put together being more of a broker, but also taking in very specific functions of the organization of the service. So that helped us take a look at in-house and contracting possibilities. I've got to the recommendations, I think in record time, hopefully, how am I doing, city commissioners, okay? And so we, again, I mentioned this was the existing model, the model that we recommend the moving toward is bringing in technology a bit. A lot of agencies have created a service that may not be totally for ADA, but it captures some of the market that is ADA seniors or persons with disabilities as well a TD program, where there's a management of that with an app where we can use Uber or Lyft type of services. It's not the total answer, but it is something that particularly in those counties that I mentioned are out there looking at the future, more people use as a service. And there may not even be those selective markets that need the service, which really helps over all the service function better. We came up with three models. Interesting enough, the models can be a evolution. The first model is what could the city RTS do right now? it might be tweaking and sharing, taking over certain core responsibilities, taking a look at scheduling and dispatching, bringing that in-house to start to prepare for that because I'm going to give you a date, 2027. I'll come back to 2027 and to maybe take a look at providing more vehicles as well as maybe if there is and there may be some available space on city property to maintain the vehicles and store the demand response vehicles. The second model gets into taking a look at more of that mobility applications but it also So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so at more of that mobility applications, but it also takes a look at where are we overall in public transportation. If remember what happens here in the model and the variables here, if fixed route is reduced, your ADA service area may be reduced, may not be required to provide that service, but then there is the issue of the customers and what our community wants to do here and gain as well as providing that accessibility. The third model is really taking a look at more of a control of the service, but it also points out in five years the 2027 data throughout there. In 2027, two things happen. The existing contract would then be transportation and their agreement with the TD program ends and they could go after again and it might be a way we go. But also in 2027, the contract related to that with the city specifically goes and the city who provides the transit for all of us and your partners in that may come up with a different approach to manage the system and design the system. I'll talk about the evolution, so I won't go there. So very quickly, recommendations is determine the future of the CTC. And we're suggesting that this body and particularly the local coordinating board and the staff to the local coordinating board, which previously I guess was the RPC staff. Get together, use the process you have right now and come together and say, in 2027, what are we going to do? What are our options? What do you want to take a look at? And the city itself, city gains will RTS, needs to take a look at what responsibilities they may be entertaining. So without being around the bush, that might be for the city to become the CTC. But the CTC doesn't stand alone. It's about the coordination of all of the partners in the community. The second recommendation is to start that as the city's contract ends where the services throughout the county funded by the partners may take a look at organizational changes. We suggest that scheduling and dispatching and call intake be considered to be transitioned into the RTS house. It then can be a brokerage type of system where we still could contract outside with drivers, vehicles, operational side of things. Or you can go again, back to a turnkey situation, but highly recommending don't split the service, don't split the two programs up. Again, another unique thing that comes to mind is percentage wise, this area is unique because we provide more ADA trips than we do TD trips. Third recommendation is really to explore mobility on demand. That's kind of loosely used here in Gainesville. It's in the plans just to provide first and last access to the fixed route. Some of those communities that we looked at are actually looking at it as a technology improvement with a public and private partnership to provide trips for well in general in Pinellas County they basically cap it and one of the things that they do is because it's not purely just ADA, they can have variable rates to the customer. And it's working in that community. Finally, a less recommendation. I know this was done, I've been back and forth here several years, But maybe 10 years I saw where there was an assessment of an independent regional transit authority, which just kind of reflects what RTS means. But or what the name stands for. You can continue on the way you are. I think you need to make some really decisions on how you manage it. But most importantly, with, I think, the budget issues that face this community is to take a look at a governance study and look at it at the partners. What doesn't work anywhere is year to year budgets for a transit system. It's shocks, the service it shocks the customers, and you never get to achieve the goals that the community wants. It was for as viability, economic development, and such. That says quick as I could do it. Thank you, Madam Chair. Well done. I'm over for any questions. Questions from the board? I just have to go for it. One thing on this final one, because that's a note that I had as well. I think one of the biggest issues of the RTS is facing right now is that eating under the city and having to serve outside the city limits and then the city funding things are outside that and I became issues of running stuff routes out to park a road and things like that. and you ever decide that the city's top funds it? It's just an issue. And then the games will still be there's only two in the state of Florida that are run by a city. Most of them run by the county or transit authority. I do think it's something that would be very appropriate about looking at a government study for it and looking at a transit authority. Similar to that I think would have taxing authority like similar to the library board. One without taxing authority I think would just fail but something similar to the library board I think would allow this community to actually serve much better than it's currently kind of looking at it to your point earlier this year the the year funding issues will be able to serve the growing urban area that's outside of the city of Canes Oldenuts. Thank you. Great. I mean, I guess I don't know that this is the right point of time for this conversation, but I just, I want to put it out there because I've been in now six different like, committee type meetings over the past several couple months and I'm various topics of social services and needs and just recently read the literacy assessment and every single time transportation becomes one of the top three like issues that people are bringing up is like the challenges that they have with addressing their needs around all kinds of issues. And so I really do think that we have to come up with a better strategy at the county level for how we're gonna provide transportation options. And I know that there is some funding, I don't know if this is that funding, but there is funding available where we can get matched for point to point ridespoint rides for people who qualify outside of the in the rural areas, like outside of our urbanized transit areas. And so I want to try to look into that. I want to try to figure out how we solve this problem. I'm not a transportation expert. Authority sounds great. It also sounds like it would take us forever. We need solutions now. So I just want to bring it up is something that I hope we have a conversation with I know we're having a conversation about our bus routes anyway coming up in the Kent one's at the county funds and so I'd love to be able to chat more understand what the capacity is for like MV transfer others to expand those rural point-to-point rides so that we could begin to think about what funding is available, what our funding is, and how we could complement all of that to get better access for people outside of the transit fixed routes. Yeah, no, it's late, so I just have one question. Also, this would not be for a robust discussion today, but you've kind of talked about positives and negatives in the different models and where we should be and in the timeline We basically have 2020 Next year to determine what we want to do for 2027 as that as a contract expires What it in here was the specifics on the one slide if you go to the slide with the CDC CTC types by urban counties we are unique, which you pointed out. We're one of 27. We're the only one like that in the state. And I wonder if you just talked just very briefly about the advantages and disadvantages of that unique model. Because we're not going to have you back. I don't know if we'll have you back. But the only five years we might have you back. So we're going to need to know that in a few months. And so for that model, is there advantages and disadvantages you can speak to, and a briefly or encapsulate force? Yeah, you know, again, I just want to make the point that city or county run really is just what's the agreement. Right now, all the infrastructure is within the city. The federal funding is not based on jurisdiction and their various grants. It's based on urbanized area or rural areas, so they're the pots. I think the uniqueness of Gainesville is there is a core destination. And that's good as far as transportation goes, particularly public transportation. The challenge is what used to be called the suburbs or out in the rural areas, but there is opportunity for addressing that with technologies these days and private partnerships. But one of the unique things I don't want this to be taken wrong, so I'm giving you the caveat to begin with, is a for-profit contract is for-profit. And that's okay if there's appropriate contractual requirements and oversight. I'm always sensitive to the customer. And I think if that profit thing is not in the way of who is dealing with the customer and designing the service, that's a plus to me. That's my own preference is that when I ran agencies, we had a hands-on relationship with the customer. And then appropriately went out and to look what's the best cost approach. And maybe we need to contract out and be a broker for this type of service. Maybe a different type of model for a rural environment. Maybe another different model when you deal with mobility on demand services that are more like Uber Lift, private public partnerships. So no model out there is wrong, but I'm giving you kind of my preferences, particularly what I know about Gainesville and particularly about, as mentioned here, public transportation is an issue in every community conversation. Did I answer your question? Or is there something specific? It was enough for today, obviously. But can you go to the slide where you had the CTC types, which just shows. So whether we have more of those two, but I guess just one that he had the 27 there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, all right. So that'll be the discussion we have in 2026 is private for profit or county or transit authority or private nonprofit senior served, but we're one of 27. So it's kind of unique. Well, and again, the 27 is those that have 200,000 more population. So we wanted to really focus on what's about us. We're kind of at the bottom of that. We've met that threshold, but again, the city's intensity as a destination, particularly with health and services is unique. We're another other urbanized areas all over the over the place. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for the presentation. It's very thorough and much improved. I agree with my colleague, Commissioner Prizia. I like the subtleties of what we just said. We're really trying to get people to gain some and for services and gains of all, primarily health services. And so I really like the third recommendation of utilizing technology. I've been reading a lot around the country that governments are really moving towards kind of this on-demand technology driven approach. And it gains those on some of that test work. I think it's been pretty successful. And so I would like us to move into that direction. If we're big enough for ultimately having our own transit authority, I agree with former Christopher Hay Santos. I think that's more of a long range, maybe five, five to ten years, but for the immediate, I would like us to use as much technology and private private public partnerships as possible, even bidding it out to technology entities that could provide us with some solutions. And I like the third recommendation or the second and some modification of the second and third recommendation. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. President. Mr. President. Thank you. So there are a lot of complexities when we talk to anything transpressionally, right? But when we talk about the point to point, particularly from an extended distance, it brings on all the whole set of different complexities. And the expense goes through the root for a ride. But not to mention that a lot of folks self-select by being, I'm going to live farther away because it's less expensive, but oh my goodness, transportation is now ridiculous and expensive. So there are lots of things that come into play. But the real thing that I want to talk about is how glad I am to have a school board member on this body now, so that when the time is right, and this is not the right time, but when the time is right, we can talk about one of the elephants in the room, which is that we have parallel bus systems, and I know, I freaked Mr. Gomez out, he's doing a great job keeping a poker face, I understand that they're entirely separate buckets of funding and that we pay for them with different sets of grants, and that I get that But that doesn't mean that we ought not be thinking for the long term about how to be more efficient with that Because we have again two entirely different sets of bus systems and that is not That is not efficient and one goes all over the county. Yes, at a tremendous expense per writer. Traumendous expense per writer. It's not that we can't pick everybody in the county up. It's just that it costs a ridiculous amount of money to be able to do that. And it throws the capacity of the system off in all kinds of weird ways. But it is a conversation that long-term probably after we're all off this board, we should be planning toward. Because to continue to run parallel systems is paid for by all the same people, but is not the best use of everybody's money in the long run. And I'm not saying that any time in the next three, four, five years that should even be something we try to solve. But if we don't talk about it, we end up 10 years down the road never ever I've been talked about so just something to throw out there and it's Friday afternoon I won't waste my rest time but that's a thing we your good tip. I just wanted to mention that one of the things I've got to philosophically really agree with you on is I'm really skeptical of privatization of public services. So there is a limited amount of resources to accomplish these things. And those resources can either be used to provide services or provide profit, but it's not going to provide both of those equally. So for the most part, I would really like to take a look at what we're paying outside organizations to do that we could be doing in-house. And even if those outside organizations are saving us money, are they saving us money by not paying their people as much, by not being involved in benefit programs, by not being the type of thing that we think is important to the workers that serve this community to have. So as those contracts roll around in 27, I would really like us to take a good look at what it makes sense to bring in-house and see that the pockets were filling our hearing sound instead of to some large corporation. I was essentially going to say the exact same thing and that we, if we're going to go the technology route, because of our limitations and what we can include in contracts with regards to government in terms of unions, in terms of protections for employees, in terms of all of those things now that we've been preempted but we can provide those as benefits in our own house like I'm much more interested in seeing how we do things in house the next turn. Although I'm with can I like the efficiencies of technology and being able to use cars that are in the system and people that can get employed you know and find jobs and but I want to make sure that those jobs are fairly paid and that they're taken well, till well taken care of and not exploited at the expense of profits for profit corporations, and so not that all for profit entities are exploiting people I don't want to have that right, I'm with you 100%. Thank you, Jim. Yeah, it sounds cool, but I wrote number eight, RTS throughout every day to high school. I think it's something that should be definitely explored. It's a waste. So we are duplicating services. In many other countries, you'll do it all the time too. Even too much younger. That's a great. Commissioner Chess. Sorry. Cornell. Cornell. Can you back? Yeah, thank you just for the response for the James. I agree from a standpoint of fair pay and all of that. I was thinking of more of what we do with CAP, which is we find private organizations, many of which are nonprofits, actually, all of which, I think are nonprofits that actually do the task better than we are able to do it as a government. If we're able to do it and incorporate technology into what we're doing, yeah I'm for that. But then the question would be raised, have we been doing that for the last 10 years? And are we implementing these technologies? Just because I said technology doesn't mean outsourced. No, you're told. Sometimes it comes to things. It could be it. I presume RTS is at the cutting edge of technology, hopefully, and if so, great. I do think that it's got to be counting wide. And I do think that the big holes that we have to commission a prizius pointer in the rural areas, That's what I've heard for the last decade. I, uh, yeah. Don't try to do it. Let's go. to Commissioner Prisius Pointer in the rural areas. That's what I've heard for the last decade. And I also recognize the statement that Commissioner Hayes-Sanford said, which is it's really difficult for us to ask the city to do services outside of the city unless it's a clear contract and that's part of the infrastructure. And if we can make sure of that, then I'm off for it. You can include him. I do. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Alfred, Mr. Indole. I just wanted to put a little bit of personal experience into the equation. My father was legally blind and he utilized RTS a significant amount and he developed cancer for the last couple of years of his life and utilized the I guess the Transpiration Disadvantaged Program, right? And what really frustrated him is he would have been absolutely fine getting into something like an Uber, but the bus that came down his dirt road, which at probably great expense to the bus, you know, was outfitted with everything to lift up wheelchairs and that kind of thing. And so there are economies of different solutions for different kinds of transportation that I appreciate you bringing out because I think that in his case and probably many other cases there's a different way of looking at it that could be really, really helpful and even right-sized. Right, we got right-sized, exactly. It was beautiful. Oh, yeah, I was just going to say that, especially to Mr. Cornell, I think we're all in the same page here. Yeah. I hear exactly what you're saying, and I'm more afraid, it's like what we do with envy, and some of those things where we've got a large contract that handles a good bit of our work, and see what we can't do about bringing some of that in-house. But I think you're very at home point with right sizing things, seeing what works in the online areas. But a large contract that handles a good bit of our work and see what we can't do about bringing some of that in-house. But I think you're very at all in point with right sizing things, seeing what works in the online areas and aren't being able to get served with the process we have now and just making this a better system moving forward. So look forward to working with you. I have a quick question for the concern. Are we looking at cuts to the programs that we've been carrying on for the funding? What? a quick question, Boehn. Are on the concern, are we looking at cuts to the programs that we've been carrying on for the funding? Well, every level of government is looking at cuts and efficiency. I just think the best thing, best step you could take now is put this issue into your process. You jointly have to make a decision about the CTC. I think that with that target these other items start to pull together about how you do that, who do that with, what you contract for. I mean, even the contract that was done three years ago has changed just based on the technology that's out there to properly schedule vehicle type and location and multi-loading But I my advice would be Start the process with your technical folks put it put it in the hopper let it start cooking for you and all these other things will start to fall together. But you have two important things. The city has a contract ending, and the CTC has a contract ending. And like gentlemen said, that's not on 2027. It's probably next year you need to be together on that. Do you see ADA being a focus of any attention right now? I don't. You're a lot of business. I did. I did. Well, you know, the thing about the ADA transit related, it's an unfunded mandate. There's been some movement where a certain portion of the funds that you get from the federal government and urbanized areas, 10% can be devoted for ADA. But you may already have committed that 10% to something. And so the TD program has some restrictions on geographically where you can provide the service when it's the same type of customer. I think you all made the point, we need to kind of tear down these traditional silos and take a real fresh look at what's the business of providing good transportation. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Anyway, I guess it's the third time. I contracted that out. OK. OK, Brad. We're throwing this back at you now. OK. So a couple of information items. And I will note that Rob committed to posting the job on the cutter site, right? I know that work too. Yeah, all right. Every little bit helps. And Mr. Gomez, I'm skipping. You don't need to. Here we've got Transit, Writership status report. You have anything this morning after the, where? Just provided for information. So if there are any questions, Mr. Gomez is here to answer. Hi, good. Anybody? We, that used to be a regular report and so we're restoring that. The next item actually should not be on there and that's my fault. We were taking a little pause on the CAC and the TAC because we were we were trying to get more members we had some new members and we were kind of to retool the TAC, so we're going to pause a couple of months on. But I will tell you the last two rounds we've had, we've had actually very good participation at the CAC. We've had one absence in the last two meetings. And then also on the TAC, we've identified a school war member. I guess for some time we had somebody that wasn't actually working anymore with the school board. There was some member of the TAC so we actually have a school board employees on the TAC now. Okay good. I was going to be like I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah we're good. We fix that and so but we've had good participation and we'll start up those reports again because we have three when we have three months of good good you know reporting to give you. And then the last item for me is the LRTP update and we did have the meeting on the 24th workshop. I was not able to attend, I know Sheree stood and I know with City and County staff were there and I understand it was really well participated. You have to a nice job in helping drive out some involvement too. And my understanding is we had a survey that was somewhat well responded to kind of late in the process and even after the workshop they started to get some additional feedback. So that's all good. We're going to be focused on, do you have a good one? We're focused on June 2nd for the needs. We'll have a needs plan workshop and at the June 2nd meeting, we'll adopt the needs plan. And then as we talked before, with that target for the August 19th adoption of the LRTP. So things are moving forward there. We're working on some logistics about workshop location for the needs plan and that thing. That's the thing that, again, that's going well. Madam Chair, don't care. How many people attended the GP and I attended part of it? The people here were engaged. I don't know the exact number, but it was about, I think, was 30. And then after that, they got like 50 more survey responses or something. They have a QR code on a bunch of boards so that people can get and share it. Yeah, I think that was a really good idea. So, we're getting there. You know, I recently I've seen in a community, I can't remember now, towards Tampa, that in some of the rural areas at Crossroads are places like over the railroad tracks where people having to stop and slow down. They have posted on posters QR codes that say something like, you know, please check in this survey to give us an idea of what road improvements you'd like to see. I don't know if that's the sort of thing that we could put around the county that people could, you know, zoom in on that thing and then respond that way. But it was pretty interesting way to engage a public without, you know, with a lot of hoopla. But if we're trying to get information about what transportation needs are in the community, you know, that might be a way to look at it. We're spread out. I try to, I'm not sure they try not to put those on roadways. Do they? Is that what it encourages? Because it was in other form of distracted driving. Oh. You don't want anyone trying to attempt to take a picture of the... Well, I think this was, it was in a stock plet area. It really was. us and so I get your point. From a transportation district that they normally do those in parking lots, areas where someone's already situated. It wasn't a stock plet area, it really was. So I get your point. From a transportation district, they normally do those in parking lots, areas where someone's already situated. Well, that's it. OK. Never road side if possible. OK, let's do that. OK. Your point's well taken for a free day. OK. OK, well, thank you. I see that's why you're here and why you have double beauty. So thank you. OK. Are Brad and B, have double beauty. So thank you. Okay. All right, Brad, have you finished what you want to share with us? I am. I work to agency reports, yes. Okay. Any report, any other questions about the long range transportation plan update? Okay. Okay. partner update, DOT. Nothing? Okay, I have something for you to move. Okay. Okay, school board, Tina. I was going to ask, is it this brown to tell me where should the superintendent send the letters for about the safety that we discussed in the last month's meeting. You know, the one in Hawthorne, 301 as well as Waldo Road near Lincoln. And she's like, you didn't tell me where should send them to send those letters too, so. You can send those letters to secretary Evans, Greg Evans at dlt.state.fl.us and he will disseminate that to the appropriate staff. Secretary Evans, okay. Either where these problem areas around school zones is that what you're crossing? Safety crossing. Yes, safety crossing. Okay, because we have gotten a request, a couple of requests for the one out on. Out of these 43rd Street, and it's the, it's the Alantua Learning Academy out on 235 that is a charter school. And we don't know, I know what what. Well they contacted us, but we don't have any jurisdiction to put markings and lines that has to go through if it's a DOT road. That's a county road. Or a county road. This is what I'm going to be talking to about. I just didn't know if you all had a job. But we are aware and we've said. I'm not aware that this is state road. I think it's a state road. Anyway, I'm not sure, but I know the east side road is a county road. It is. Yeah, southeast 43rd Street is county. Right. And more conversation about that because I have had a couple folks ask about that. Right. The Sydney and some more. Because I think it's ours. That's not right. Right. The Lincoln one, the road by Lincoln is a state road we figured that out as well. We did, we did, and I do have some feedbacks, but we could talk about that. But for the betterment of the group. We figured that out as well. We discussed it last week. We did. We did. I do have some feedbacks, but we can talk about that. Okay. But for the betterment of the group, the US 301 in South East 69th. Straight. That's the correct one. In Hawthorne, City of Hawthorne, I did send over to the City of Hawthorne manager. We are installing the PHB there next year, 2026 using our push button contract. So now that was a big thing for our group. So, good names, thank you. We're. We are installing the PHB there next year, 2026 using our push button contract. I know that was a big thing for the group. So, good names, thank you. Okay. Thank you, and do you have anything with the airport side that? The parking garage should be in the afternoon in May, June. We've been having, still having parking issues there, but like, go low and things like that And we have a new book vending machine there too, links is opening one up. So we support that last feeding as well. That's from that. Yeah. So a book vending machine will be by gate two, I think, right, but there, my receiver airway wasn't right around there. Well, thank you. And thank you so to the airport for this. You kept that place open. We couldn't get out for the world masters. They kept them open all night long. Oh, really? They took care of the folks there because the weather was so bad they couldn't leave. And so they kept a lot, kept the airport open all night even though it's not future. Right. It took good care of those folks. They just look real good. I love them. Yeah, thank you. Okay, and our University of Florida, not here today. Okay. Okay. Upcoming meetings of interest. Anything that to point out to us? Some of it's the same, but we did add the North Floor Transportation Summit, the DOTs, hosting the Saloni County and the 29th, that may be of interest to folks. And then obviously our regular meetings and FEOAC still, the 24th. Okay. I did want to know too as a follow-up on that safety issue. I think, make sure, Prissy, you suggested reaching out to the sheriff, office may, and that that has been, the county staff is reaching out and we just have not established the time when they could come to a meeting. So, but that is how you know. Was it? Yeah, aiming for the next round. Okay, we did. Yeah. Can GPD, I think we're going to try to have both so that we can have a coordinated conversation. Cool. Any other member comments? I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. That's a great thing. Any other member comments? I just wanted to request that in the future if the agendas could be, I just wanted to request that if in the future these could be numbered, I spent a few minutes trying to reshuffle all the pages because I got them mixed up while I was doing it. Just a just a request that's all I have. Okay. We kind of roll everything rolls up into a PDF and it's like yeah. I'll show you. You're doing good. I know I got it. I know I got it. I got to find somebody younger than me. There's a way to do it. I know. I'm sorry. Sure, but sure he sells me out of the deal. I'll do the same. This fire. So, thank you, Madam Chair. I'm a little concerned still. We talked about this several months ago, but I'm a little concerned about how we get everybody in the same spot when we get our full complement, President, 16 people, not including any staff. I don't think this room is it. Okay. Partially because when folks want to, when staff or the public needs to come up and speak, if we had 16 members around the table, we need a different way to think about this. I don't know what it is, but I don't think this is it. Okay, because I know we've had trouble getting our 14th. On our dice and y'all's too having all of us. We're not going to throw it there either. Yes, if there are 16 of us, it's... And it will be rare that there are 16 of us showing up. But it's a thing we need to be careful. OK. All right. I don't know what we need to do. It's a role. I don't know if it's a place. So we need to plan this differently. Yeah, maybe just a little bit. Maybe partying to a podium of some sort? Yeah, but I would be happy to have a podium so that people can. I think what I heard from a few folks is that just as a little more intimate, you know, that we can see each other while we're talking rather than where we are out there. We have different lines up. We can fit more. But that's just an opinion of a view. So there is something to be said for a more casual environment, but there are also times when we need to take a less casual approach to it. I mean, when you're on Friday afternoon, yes, this is the right environment, but sometimes when we have big stuff to do, it is not as useful to be casual. Okay. We're working on the new space. That's the thing. So. So five years away, then. I don't have an answer. So if this is, is it that's fine, but there will be more space to be considered. But yeah, all heroes, or GPD might be a solution. There's some other ways we can get a good brush. Okay, well, or the Blount Center. I don't know if the Blount Center has any kind of setup that way either. either. See this is far off future but I mean we're talking about May right? Yeah. Yeah. Like everyone should be here in May. All right, yes. No, I mean, the hard part is we have to report the meeting. We have to have all of the other pieces. So it's not the easiest thing for our staff to just move around. So we're going to, in GPD, does have space that allows for that if they have all the technology that would be the best option. I'm not sure what you're brought just. So we just need to like look through some of that logistics, but we can refer that to. Another table down there. Yeah, but it gets it done. I have a podium for speakers. Nothing. Okay. And a podium. Okay. People can come up to talk to us. I'm sorry. We're hints. wanted to get a quick update. We're very excited for the bicycle pedestrian master plan. I was curious where we are kind of in process of that and when we expect to get the first draft back. I was told, January. Madam Chair, we are looking at end of May, probably May 20th, I think, for the next community meeting. And so that would be sharing draft recommendations for the bicycle pedestrian master plan. So it will come to us in the fall then or may do you talk about the complete plan? Well it was the process from that point so you're bringing it forward to the community in late May so yeah I think it's early 2026 where there would be a finalized draft. Okay so that would just be going to the community and then at that point getting back for feedback coming back to you guys would send feedback and then come back to the MTPO as a whole in 2026. The countywide bicycle pedestrian master plan can make presentations at any sort of milestone absolutely when there's a draft document and then to get it approved by the MTPO, but if there's an interest in an interim presentation, we can do that as well. It seems to me that it would be worth it first to hear some of those recommendations before they go into final drafting. So if we have other comments or major, other major revisions, it doesn't like get all the way to report form before they're getting to that point. So maybe after your May meeting sometime in the fall, we could have a update. Okay. Yeah. That would be fun. Perfect. Anything more from this board? Ken, do you have anything? No, thank you all for letting me participate. Hey,CU out there. Anything to add? Commissioner Duncan Walker. Anything? Thank you for asking. I've just kind of been with. Only anything agreement with much of what's been said, but I appreciate the conversation today. Nothing else to add. Thank you. Thank you. I was going like Casey say it, but I'm because he was gone. So I just wanted to bring up that he had brought up for our last meeting. There was a bad stretch of road on South 13th. We just had another motorcycle death. I'm not familiar with exactly where on 13th that is, but it seemed like this was like 13th street 13th street yeah so Stain Road 41 34th the Thelos 441 30th 30th Street yeah near Bivens arm so I don't know how you start putting that on the just kind of like a poke card. Dockhead for looking at it but I thought this was a print board to bring that out of this. I don't know how you start putting that on a just kind of like a pull card. Dock it for looking at but I thought this was a important part of bringing that out of this. Sorry about that, but yeah. So yeah, just to kind of have that as the one of the little projects when you look at is there was a particularly dangerous chunk of 4.41. Okay, as I've been, do you know if there's been any like cash reports done or what the study's done in that stretch of? Or I guess we had intersections that be helpful. Yes, I'm turning on the way exactly the parameters of that. Not that I love that DOT has pulled data on, I don't know if the county has. Okay. Well, if you give us the intersections, we can look. I think one thing I remember is war. I'm that's so sorry. It's Friday. It's Friday. It's Friday. It's Friday. My phone is a brain of its own. In many of these meetings, is this a dance party portion now? That's for single to my, that's for sure. That's for single to my, that's for sure. Everybody good idea. I don't know if one thing would help is the classification of those rows. There's like urban and there's like suburban and I don't know where that still runs in kind of. I know some of our state highways are not like urban and when they're not urban they can't put in like some safety measures and things like that. I think I remember that correctly. Is that kind of correct and you can only do certain things in certain kind of? It's certain contest class. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Do you know of that information is where that would be like a constant? Because it's the more yeah the link to we actually MHDR as a matter of fact manages our contest classification platform and so for district two so I can send them to the group If you wanted that change would make a request to the state to kind of try to do the county Yeah, they're a point. Yes, through the county or city staff will make a request. I think this kind of issues It's urbanizing so it's where yes, all this it might be New settlements haven't changed. There's a bunch of apartments that have happened. Yeah. Yeah, there's probably 10 more since we had this meeting. OK, if you all don't have a... have been changed. There's a bunch of apartments that have been postponed up. Yeah, there's probably 10 more since we have this meeting. Okay, if you all don't have any more comments, I'm going to open it up to the public for any general comments. I'm going to try and mention a couple things real quick. As a decades-long volunteer at the HIPAA Drone and somebody so glad that the city helped preserve it, I think they would love to wash the other hand and provide a large meeting venue for you. And I think they have broadcast capability already. Also on your... It's not connected to our system, unfortunately. Well, you have geniuses. Good. And the situation you were in before Commissioner Alfred arrived, where you were wishing you could count the people attending virtually in Quorum and voting. Now I don't know if it's strict in state sunshine law but if you have I know as a body you have some power to affect your your proceedings and your and your how you set your things up so if it's within the law and have corum today, you should do motions and votes so that you can have those critically timed meetings in August, even if that same problem happens or if there is a weather thing. I'm sorry, being late. Well, you know, stuff happens. We have lives, you know know, if it happens that day, you won't be able to do anything because you won't have forum to do it. So you have forum to date, you could pre-plan that for meetings in general or maybe just for those specific sensitive meetings. And on the transportation plans and setting up the mobility, I forgot the name of it, but they keep mentioning tech, tech, tech. We got this tech tick. But there's a lot of people who don't have an ISP or a Wi-Fi at home who need to have just a plain old phone number. The please don't throw, I think you have it. Please don't throw away just a plain old phone number option as you're amping up your tech because some people are just not going to get that thing with the multiple authorizations and the online disinadded it is then out there. And I think that the the audience, I'm assuming a lot, but I think the audience that needs that service is got a higher proportion of people who are not doing technically advanced stuff. So please don't throw that away. And there was something else. And I forgot it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Did you want to do this? No? No. I already did. Anyone else from that community? If not, this meeting is adjourned. All right. Thank you. you