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For the discussion. All in favor. Okay. Hi. It was. Okay. Moving on, could I have an approval of the consent agenda which contains the minutes for February 13th, 2025 and the EQR report for first quarter 2025? So moved. I'll second. Any further discussion? All in favor. Hi. Hi. All right. Okay. We'll move on to industrial pre-treatment program updates. Michael. All right. Thank you, chair. Michael Bragg, JFC Manager. So just a few things to highlight today. Related to industrial pre-treatment. The town of Frazier did approve a compliance letter, which is in the packet. This has been sent out to the brews and distilleries. We have had some issues with the, apparently the addresses that we had on file for these guys. So we're getting into them if they don't already have it now, they should have it any day now. But what this letter provides is a compliance schedule to each of the brews and distillereries, the authority as a sanitation district for the town of Frazier to implement any requirements, the requirement basically to participate and the industrial pre treatment pilot program. The what is referred to in our code and in the discharge permit for the wastewater treatment plant as far as what types of waste all users on our system are allowed to discharge. So through this process, the JFOC, we have sampled every brewery and distilleries waste as a byproduct of their beer or their whiskey. And we have taken that to lab and we've gotten back to chemical results from those. And this the waste from each of these breweries and disorders were very much out of the requirements, not me and the requirements for discharge down the collection system. So what this letter does, it provides just a lot of educational information as well as setting requirements for each brewery and distillery within the Frazier Sanitation District, you could say, to meet requirements participating in the pilot program and size stream all of their waste generated at their breweries in distillaries. And to continue to size stream capture that as we move along with this pilot program and ultimately have something more in place once the town goes to update if necessary their code to better address this issue and have a more formalized program for the version distilleries regarding their waste. So again, this was adopted by Senator Frazier. We will continue to encourage both of the other sanitation districts to adopt this type of letter and have it ready. Currently, you know, there's no brewers and distilleries and winter park ranch, but there I think is the potential for it. You got the marketplace right there. So just having that rated to go, especially when we're talking about, you know, addressing any new users coming onto the system, any new businesses and breweries. They're great. We all love them, but it's just making sure that we have all the requirements in place so they can operate effectively and not providing impacts and not not violating what they're allowed to discharge down the sewer system. So with that, we are also providing a, we're hosting a presentation from a company named BioGill. BioGill is a company that produces equipment that can be and has been installed on many locations here in Colorado and other states. That provides a pre-treatment process on site for the breweries and distilleries, so that they can treat the waste and actually discharge it down the sewer, the sewer. And it would be within the chemical composition that's acceptable for residential or commercial user waste. And so it will be hosting that presentation on April 13th, right here at Frazier Town Hall from three to four. May. May. Oh my gosh, sorry. May 13th from three to four here at Town Hall. That will also be available online as well as in person. So trying to encourage people to come and see what equipment could be a good option for their place of business. And they would, it was scheduled on a Tuesday. So my understanding is bioge will be here throughout that whole week. So if they would like to have any one-on-one consultation with any Brear Distillery, they will be available to do so. So we look forward to hosting that, learning more about that process ourselves as a sanitation district, but also providing the opportunity to see if any of these this equipment would work well for any of our users on the system. Are the birds and just still reason by this meeting. Yes, we've invited everyone to it. I actually just answered a question from one of them just a few minutes ago. Just talking a little bit more about what it is and providing a link to their website for biogill and as you may recall, two years ago, we were talking about this same issue. And biogill has been an option. They do provide pre-treatment for wastewater treatment plants. It's very expensive to put that large scale at the plant itself. But the typical option that you see throughout the state of Colorado is actually having that on-site at breweries and distilleries where they actually treat their own waste before it goes down the sewer system. Michael, is there any chance that there would be grants or anything like that through the state that might help? The breweries and just still reads that they want to install a bio-gale system. I don't know about grants maybe. They likely do have some favorable business loans and things like that available at the state that could help offset the impacts, the financial impacts in these types of systems. But that. We can... Well, I know that's been one of the holdups before about trying to do treatment right after the Burian distillery has been the cost factor. Well, and it may not be cost effective for some of the Burian distilleries, and it may be cost effective for some of them. So we're just looking forward just hosting it, getting more information. And if's something that they want to look more into they can and otherwise, you know, the goal is to maintain either size trim capture or have a treatment on site at each of these locations, which is a very much a normal thing that you see at brewers and distilleries throughout the states here. in addition, you know, we have been meeting, we did have our first meeting with the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment talking about pursuing our renewal for our discharge permit to our our plants ability to discharge, treat the wastewater back into the phrasier river. And with that, we will be submitting just a new application since ours is nine years old, especially given that the changes that have happened. That application will include any list of existing industrial users, lists of all commercial businesses, and any actions that have taken place, letter ordinances and enforcement thereof of industrial users as well. So it is a sensitive topic and it is something to come to play when we go to pursue getting our discharge permit renewed at the plant here. So that is an ongoing conversation and we're working through that process. Michael, are we going to need to tighten up our regulations for some of the other industrial users on any of the restaurants or Safeway or they. So they're in compliance question that came up at our board meeting was talking about car washes. And a couple of things that have been required for car washes is they do have to have a sand filter for all the grit and different things that get washed off the vehicles. In addition, And a couple of things that have been required for car washes is they do have to have a sand filter for all the grit and different things that get washed off the vehicles. In addition to just having the right type of soap that does not disrupt our system when it goes down the drain as well. So there are various things that are implemented at different types of businesses. And as we get any new types of businesses, it's a great thing to explore and research before we approve any types of businesses. And as we get any new types of businesses, it's a great thing to explore and research before we approve any types of plans or business license. So that can include, you know, prescription or pharmaceutical psychedelic mushrooms, for example, that's something that we're actually looking at and we're looking more into that issue. So trying to look at the impacts of that before we have any users coming online trying to be proactive with that. Thank you. That's all. I have on that topic. Chair, happy to answer any other questions. Okay. Let's see if you have a question. Those letters very complete, thorough. Thank you. Okay. Let's see if you have a question. Those letters very complete thorough. Thank you. It does refer to wineries in the second page, first paragraph as well. And I was wondering we do have one of our pork winery. I did not see them on the address list. Yeah, we've spoken with the winery. Miner standing as they're not producing any further. They are looking to I understand that sell their place of business. I don't know if anybody else has more information about that. Jim, have you talked to them directly? Yeah, please. Hi, my name is Johnne Barker. I'm a Tetra Tech. The last time we talked to the winery, excuse me, they specifically said that they had a big stockpile and they showed us how much wine they have for years to come. They indicated that they only produced once a year. It's usually in the summertime and that if they were to produce again they would notify us and walk us through the process. Their way stream did not seem as as large or as impactful as some of the other ones. It's not as continuous. Thanks, Jennifer. Any other questions? Yeah, I also was curious about non-store front satellite locations. I do believe some of these breweries have non-store front locations. And if we have any in Frazier or if we have the potential to identify any, because that could disrupt this whole program. I've actually since this came to light, I've talked to different property owners and HOA representatives from some of those locations and one locations used to be active for brewing a few years ago, but since has not. And, but I'm continuing to look to see if there's any other locations. Our letter does address the requirement for all bruises, but the main thing is,'s a brew or deciler that's not based commercial commercial storefront, it's not based in Frager and maybe in Winter Park, but they may be producing here. That's something that I'm looking at. I'll be talking to our attorney for Frager. And I know we've discussed this. I just wanted to make sure it was on the record here. I also am curious. You mentioned this is a Frazier specific letter, but it does get into details that we are partnering with Grand County on these programs. Does Grand County have a plan to put out a similar letter? I can answer that for you. Buff Bores, Grand One. Currently, our legal is taking a look at the letter that you put out. He's going through, making some tweaks. We'll present that to our board and then we'll be putting out a similar letter. Wonderful. Thank you. Okay. We will move on to wastewater treatment plant improvements proposal. Jenna, I'll touch your deck. Hello again, Jenna, would you bring that mic? Yeah, sorry, I'm not working. What means share my screen here? Not that I'm sure that it's all that hopeful, but it helps me. I suppose, to have something to talk to. Thank you guys for having me here again the last time I was here was your last JFOC board meeting and we discuss this project that it was coming out that our proposal was going to be delivered to you in your term and it was. And some background for you, this project kind of came to light last year when we finished the needs assessment study for the wastewater treatment plant. We were able to assist Joe and his team at the wastewater treatment facility and identifying about $13.1 million of capital improvement projects associated with the existing infrastructure. And since that time, we've taken a look at what the priority items are and what we suggest doing near-term as well as existing budget. And so the proposal that's in front of you today, it reflects four main items there on the screen facility optimization, CIP, which is capital improvement projects preliminary design, initial permitting for nation and then a preliminary cost estimate to walk you through what we intend to do with this project is we have. I'm going to actually flip to here. We have identified several projects, all of those listed here. Those are the capital improvement projects. Those are the preliminary projects, excuse me, the priority projects that have been identified by Joe and his team as well as Tetra Tech in our analysis. So our intention for this proposal will be to evaluate those in-kind replacements and upgrades, do a very high level design, cost estimate, come back to your team here, say this is what we're thinking it'll cost, which ones are the priority, which ones do we move forward with immediately? So that'll be done near term within the next few months. We'll be able to identify potential costs. And then with that, we will hire a CMAR, weaving your managers, not me. We'll hire a CMAR, which is a construction manager at risk. And so what they'll be able to do is they'll be able to hop on our team at that very preliminary design and help us complete the design and implement the construction. The reason we have suggested a CMAR versus a design bid build is one of the projects is the connection between your aerobic basins and your clarifiers. And right now it's a nightmare. It's going to be very, very challenging to construct. And so we would like some input with the professionals that do this kind of construction all the time, have some ideas floating around how we might sequence the operations because Joe still needs to treat at the facility while we're doing this. Additionally, we are looking at secondary clarifier mechanisms, which I hold a picture down this morning to help illustrate is that top right there. Secondary clarifier assist in the settling of material and getting all of the gunk out right after the aerobic basins. The mechanism is all of the internal workings of that basin that circles around and pretty much just gets rid of everything that's floating on top. And those mechanisms are as old as the facility they need to be replaced. Again, a very challenging constructability item. There's really no way of accessing them. They're internal to your building. We don't know if we need to remove a portion of your roof. We don't know if we need to cut up the existing secondary clarifiers internal and then piece the others inside. So again, very important to us that we proceed with a C-MAR. We have talked with your managers about that and agree that that's the best option for this. So in addition to the preliminary design, right, that doesn't sound like... to pose all. And I wanted to describe the intent we've talked at length about doing this in probably the last year. The hope is that this would allow Tetra Tech. We have some really great instrumentation and control engineers as well as process engineers much smarter than am, that can come in, sit down and talk with Joe and his team, and then he will let them loose to kind of look at how the processes are running, look at the existing programming, the SCADA, what's talking to what, and then hopefully we can bring the plant up to as close to day and age as now with the existing infrastructure. We may have to recommend some additional panels or communications, but Joe has been keeping up with some skate of capabilities already. He has Brown's Hill on staff, which is a program or very well known in the front range, and we'll work with them to make sure that any programming modifications are not only capable with the existing infrastructure but to be to meet made. So this is the heavy hitter for us is actually getting this facility optimization done. That's not only going to help your staff now. It's going to help them for years to come. We also will be producing two evaluations up there. One of them for your plant water supply and another for the year. UV ultraviolet radiation. It's your disinfection at the back end of the process and some backwash hydraulic improvements. There have been some challenges associated with both of those processes, but unfortunately it's not easy for an engineer to come in and say, oh, yeah, we can We can totally design the modifications for that. What needs to happen is we need to take a look at what is really existing to know the magnitude of what needs to be designed to modify. This right away. We hope to start the facility optimization field work as soon as this month. That would look like several whole days with Joe and his staff at his availability and then we'll start the Seymour bidding and contracting pretty much as soon as possible at again your staff's availability. We'll be working with them closely and making sure that that's done. We'll host all the meetings and make a recommendation on which to which C-Mart to contract with. We'll also finalize the design hopefully anywhere between September and October. That will just include some very preliminary drawings and specifications for the updated and modified items. Any questions And there I know I talked to the past, I apologize. Yes, I mean. Just a quick note, I thought you were going to continue to get hit older like we all are. So we need to, yeah, we need to improve the processes out there. What actually happens all of the time? I can't remember the boundaries for each or that. Yeah, I'm meeting it through that Joe. Yeah, okay. The negative effect that we see mostly is that the the biology cannot keep up with what's being put down the drain. My coworker has always put it in the format of Skittles versus Apples. When you put Skittles down the drain, biology, eat up the Skittles and then there's apples left. Nobody wants apples and so the apples trickle through the treatment process and the apples get pushed out into the river. Nobody wants apples in the river and the apples being ammonia, bio, bio, bio, bio, So, Jen, you have an UTI construction in 2526. Is there an estimate on completion? Again, all of these are so different, CIPs. There are some that I bet you could be done within a few months depending on lead times. There are, again, like the secondary clarifier or the connection between your abasins. Also, you have a fuse or I put a name here on this screen. Joe Desperley needs new diffusers on the bottom of his abasines. And so those are the bigger for the duration of 2026. It's just a matter of which. Mr. Chair. Resolution proving. So yeah, there's a resolution in the packet is resolution 202501. Approving this scope of work and allowing them to move forward with the design work needed before we can go to Seymour. Really is to get a contractor involved to do the work. Is this resolution for the price? 323,641. I believe that is the not to exceed the price. That's not to. That's okay. Yeah. So this packet that you sent us for our last board meeting was basically what you just described. So that's the price not to exceed we're like, okay. I moved to approve. Resolution 2025-05-01. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Now we can move on. Like I already felt a plant update. Joe. Oh, not sure how far along everybody is. We last year we had a filter fail down at the wastewater plant. Last two months ago, we poured all the part under the pretense of discovering what actually caused the failure. All the engineers and professionals that are there, there are still some doubt on what caused the failure. Last week, two weeks ago, we had another filter do the same thing. And dumped. Time made, heard it pretty bad. I'm pretty sure that we're going to need all new court sleeves and bolts for the system. Currently, the attorney, Matt Neeman, has put notice to most of the other failure. We're gonna remove all the sand on Monday, do some surveying, it's called LIDAR. So scan on the surface and after that's you will realize. The first one taking apart only five of the 12 of the 12 anchors were embedded properly. The ground that is supposed to hold the whole structure together. They put the ground pads on the bottom and stick these plastic media boxes into that. and then through all the cracks are supposed to pour a flow fill ground that will encompass the whole underground system. Properly and did not hold. The other part of the equation is a good portion of the ground. I had boys, was not consistently mixed and or had environmental issues, where it throws before it got hard with a movement. Those, one of those three things. So, so you mentioned one filter, then second filter. What's the system built with? How many? Three. Total. Right now the system is not running. There it is. So we can take a chance for the other filter. Like we have. One second. So, just a step back here. So we have the primary building at the waste water stream plant. That's still operation. What we're referring to is the filter plant that was completed. What year of Joe? 2022. 2022. So if you guys remember the tour and if you have not got the tour, reach out to me and we can try to set up another tour because it's a great plan to tour. That external building that was completed a few years ago, which is a filter plant that has these filters in it, is where the issue is lies. So the primary plant is still operational, so working, no reason to panic there. So these are the filters related to removing zinc. Meta on phosphorus. There you go. So otherwise referred to as project P that external building that's away from the primary plant is the area that we're talking about that we're having to fill yourself. Can you remind me us when we went with that project, team Galford Northern. I wanna say the existing plants still met state regulations as far as metals at the time, or was it copper we weren't meeting? No, we got meet state requirements for Zinc. Zinc. Yes. Okay. So now we are not meeting state requirements for Zinc. At this point in the year, yes, we are. That goes. We have a nitrogen. Now no infiltration. So our flow is pretty much tripled from what it is normally. and whole plain water doesn't have much ink in it. So we've been working with our water quality attorneys and making sure that we provide them adequate reports to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, which is required for any wastewater plant. If for any part of your plant fails, or is going under construction, they obviously want to know. So we're working through all those means and making sure that we're keeping everyone informed. Is there some sort of construction warranty or filter warranty related to the So that was that what the attorney is involved. Yes. So, uh, Matt, Matt, who's he's referring to is with Holland Evans, who is a specifically a contract attorney. Um, and he was approved by the GFC last year. Two years ago. Two years ago. Um, to work through this contract issue specifically as part of his expertise and trying to make sure that we can follow up with, once we finally determined really who's at fault, really pursuing them to get that this contract work taken care of. Yes, the agreement on truly these at fault is not like so. In this attorney, you just said it's on for two years and that was the impetus of that was the first failure. But honestly, we brought them on staff. Was in contract and we had a notable amount of issues with the construction. And so since then we've had two silent failures. Yeah, since then we have had the two filter failure. Okay. We brought Matt on staff, Matt Neiman, and that was under a gene recommendation. As Mike said, he does a contract and also construction. Whoops, the big issue. And he's been on staff for us or we kept him on staff throughout this process. I would assume at some point, regardless of who that fault should that not get determined in the near future. We will start moving towards taking on some cost and hoping for reimbursement and keeping things moving, right? We already have done that. We've ordered parts for the undergrain and we should be hearing it's like 12 weeks from three, four weeks ago, 12 weeks and four weeks ago. And we have our contractor, Emsel. and well, it should be here in, it's like 12 weeks from, three, four weeks ago, 12 weeks from four weeks ago. And we have our contractor, Hemsland Deltz, who'll be replacing the Plenty of Silters then. I'll elaborate a little bit on what Michael was saying about the State Health Department. If we have issues down there, with the 24 hours, I have to call them. And then within five days, I have to formally write a report and vote it to them. And this is the state. It's a state health department. And then usually 10 days, 15 days later, they'll send me a request back to see where we are. Sorry, what was that a train name again? Matt, I'm going to be asking questions about him in the next line item. So, Matt, Matthew Neeman is not one of the the proposal. I know, but I want to see if there's existing relationships or anything like that because it sounds like it's going to be important to our general accounts. Okay. Yeah, I need to call an Evans. You got it. Any other questions? Any more? Okay. Thanks, Sean. All right. Wastewater, Tribune Flametane General Counsel, Michael. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Michael Brack, J. ABC Manager. So here for this agenda item, we do have three different proposals from three different firms presented for General Counsel for the wastewater treatment plant. Jean Warden here in front will be leaving us soon he is retiring and and they have let us know that their firm does not currently have the capacity to continue as general counsel with a different attorney. So Jean has been kind of helping us through this process and helping with providing information to these attorney firms, legal firms and and providing just, you know, some questions and some Q&A as far as what this role is. And specifically, kind of defining the role between the town of Frazier as a managing entity with our own attorney representation for our collection system. And the working with the managing entity who is the town of Frazier for the plant, but ultimately representing the plant and the plant manager. Outside of that scope, you know, the town of Frazier, obviously we have our own representation for our collection system. Handsome guy there on the bottom and that with the flannel that's Mr. Chris Thorn. So these proposals that we have here today, they have provided their proposals, their costs. I would like to walk through them a little bit based on some recent conversations, let the other sanitation district managers and even based on a recommendation from from Jean Rodin. While there is a resolution in the packet, something that has been recommended that may make sense that the pleasure of the JFC is if you would like us, we can walk through these proposals. If there's a high level of confidence somewhere that you would like to go, an action could be today. Otherwise, something that's been recommended is the sanitation managers, myself, Jim and Buff. We could create a subcommittee with some representation from each board, if desired. And we could go through an interview process with each of these proposed firms looking to represent the JFC and the plant as general counsel and provide a recommendation from there. So just walking through this a little bit, there are some, I think all three of these firms, they are well qualified. I think the qualified qualifications do, they do change a little bit based on specialization and water versus sanitation as a whole. All of their rates are included and the proposals attached to the packet item here. Their rates do variously, they are different across all different platforms. Gene Gordon is currently at an hourly rate of 420 dollars per hour to provide some basis of looking at the other puzzles here. But I would like to just kind of walk through Clark Hill, they were approved by the J.O.L.C. to continue as representation for water quality for the plant for the J.O regarding water quality matters which Justin Vexstrom and great gay grabs have provided water quality previously with with James firm with Vernesh and has since moved to Clark Hill and have had a good good hand off there. So the The GFC did approve them at the last meeting to be the water quality representatives. So the difference between the water quality and really the general council that we're talking about here is really focused on the relationship between the joint facilities. oversight committee, these three sanitation districts with the plant, and the relationship between the joint facilities agreement. So we have this GFOC agreement that is kind of the Bible and everything related to the plant and how the three districts interact. We've also had some workings with Gene for, you know, how as a whole with the three sand districts, we can address things like the industrial pre-treatment option, which has gone from recommendations and then worked through our individual attorneys for our own sanitation districts, such as the letter that we presented earlier in the packet discussed earlier today, which was drafted by Chris Thorne. So really that that difference is focusing on the day-to-day water quality matters, how legislation impacts our ability to discharge water into the Frazier River, the changing impacts to regulations as far as requiring metals, which is how projects P and that filter plant that we're currently having issues with came into existence. So really on the regulatory side, that's where we have the water quality really advocating for the town and ensuring that we're in compliance with all state laws and federal laws. Again, the general council is much more focused on the JFOC agreement. How equip a residential units, EQRs, or allocated to each district. How that could change. We've had negotiations where a gene has been a part of that with northern water water about how they could support or be a cost partner with expansions of the plant or even changes in our treatment process that we've talked about previously. you may require recall project I, the intensification project, looking at changing our treatment process to better address any spikes and the different things that we have to treat at the plant. So he has worked with us to those negotiations, but again, it's working with the plant, the plant manager, looking at the JFC as a whole and the JFC agreemententially in the near future, we could have some changes to the GFSC agreement, which if you go to make one change, we're likely going to be making several changes that based on all the different interests from the different sanitation districts. That would be a major role for the general counsel to work through is updated in the JFOC agreement. So happy to answer any questions. James here, he's available to answer any questions. So Clark Hill has provided a proposal for general counsel where Gabe and Justine would also be functioning as general counsel on their proposal. And they did provide their rates there. They're providing a little bit of discount discount there for their rates. Gave at $400 an hour until June 31st and then going to $450 an hour for his general general. Qualifications seem to work well. And you can see more information in their proposal. From Lions Gattis, we do have John Chimil, who provided a proposal. They do have a lot of experience and water districts. And they do have some good experience and sanitation district experience. And they do include prosecution within their firm if needed, as well as a pretty large depth of attorneys to pull from who work with government entities on a regular basis. John's rate was shown for $316 an hour, not to exceed $361 an hour if any water quality matters are required, which we have our own separate council for. So moving on to a setter vendor wall and a milke if I'm pronouncing that correctly, they provided their rates. Colin Milke would be the representative for the JFSC and his rates were shown for 435 an hour, but also looking to distribute some of the work as needed to their associate attorneys or their paralegal team which do have a lower hourly rate. This was a similar approach that we saw with with the Lions Gattis proposal as well. Cedar Van der Waal and Milky do have a lot of experience. They have a lot of great experience with sanitation districts, not just water, just water districts, which is I think something of note and and they do seem well qualified. As far as moving forward, I would open that up so all you on how you feel comfortable. There's absolutely no need to approve General Counsel today. At the JFSE with like, we can take a step back and look at establishing a subcommittee to do the interviews and evaluate these proposals and bring a unified recommendation back. I apologize, I've been really focused on just getting the proposals in hand. So I was able to get the proposals, but as far as providing a recommendation, I think that if we're able to take a step back and have that subcommittee do that work, I would see that as a benefit to the JFOC. So, Yes, ma'am. Hi, great. I got a question. So renewing our permit with CDPHE. Would that be done by Clark Hill as part of our Water Quality Council or would it fall under the new General Council? Myerson, would you be able to water quality? Getting some headnots. Okay. So they're they're already going to be working with us on the permitting process. Right. So right now, Joe has been collecting a lot of the information as required by the color department of public health and environment. Um, for that application. And instead of just updating our application, they just ask for a whole new application. So they're helping us along with our process. All right, so we do have to worry about that. We want to worry about that. So have you and Buff and GM really had an opportunity to sit down and wait through the input from? We had a meeting this past Monday and just kind of touched lightly on it. Again, I don't want to rush the GFC and making a decision. having the proposals in hand, I got two of the proposals on Monday. So again, with this meeting coming in, I didn't get them as soon as I had hoped I would get them. But this is a specialized firm. We did de-conflict these with any other conflicts of interest that could be a representation from another sand district within the JFC or a local developer. So we have to be conflicted that with these three proposals, but it seems like there may be more work that we should do just to provide a better evaluation to the JFC to make an informed decision. So is this something y'all can do in the regular managers meeting to we can we can establish a subcommittee and then schedule meetings from there. So you really think it's necessary to do interviews. That was a recommendation from Jean Roerning, which I think does make sense. And you know, some of the two is okay. It's just, you know, having good communication and understanding how they're going to communicate and interact with you and just a good fit. And making sure that you're on the same page and you can clearly understand each other as part of it too. I would say that is another option on the land of for a manager's interview and a make-break We don't necessarily have to go on the subcommittee process. So really whatever you want. Okay. First. interview and a make right planation. We don't necessarily have to go on the subcommittee process. Personally, I don't feel like there's enough information for us to make a decision today. I would feel comfortable leaving it up to the managers to decide can we do it in a manager's meeting or do we need a subcommittee? I'm comfortable with, y'all with decide which direction y'all would decide which way to go. That's my recommendation. I just wanted to make sure Bob, Jim, you're on board with an approach like this where you guys take this back, do a little more analysis, and then come back with recommendations. Yeah, definitely. We really got these very recently. Yeah. Yeah, I'm so happy with that. I would think if we made it a subcommittee with three of you, and then you guys determine how you're gonna meet, move in, so we like to do it. That's how we can make it work. So the only other option that we have discussed is having the three managers plus one board member from each sand district being called in the process. Then you would have one representative from each of your sand districts with a good understanding of that process and going through the interviews. If you so desire otherwise if if you like the three managers to handle it we can handle it. Yes it depends if you have them. Word member that wants to participate. I think we have one. Well I'll participate if that's the direction we want to go. Honestly when I read this I was looking for a recommendation from staffs. So, and I hope that that would be probably my preferred direction, but if we want to have a committee on more than half of it, it will sit on it in person. Motion establishes subcommittee to look in general, legal counsel with the water district managers on that committee and other either board or legal as necessary for each of you to make up your minds. It's kind of lengthy, but gives you some flexibility, I guess. Would you, um, I don't want to put Gina on the spot. Um, but would you guys like any of this information to go through Jane for recommendation as well? She crossed my mind that he would sit in on this. I'm fine with that as a transitional. Jane, yeah. Yeah. The center you you find somebody. The center you can make up. But I noticed there was no cake yet today. If it's your schedule. All right, so I will work with the managers and Gene and we'll conduct, we'll sit down and go through these proposals. We may engage in interview process to provide a recommendation at the next agency meeting. Okay, great. Thank you. I'll second your motion. Yeah, I'm seeing the same. Any further discussion? Hi. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Hi. All right. I do just want to say thank you to the attorney firms that did submit a proposal. Thank you very much. We look forward to talking to you and working through a process to see who's the best fit for this role. So thank you. I would entertain a motion to adjourn. I'm making a motion to adjourn. Second. Thank you for the discussion. All in favor. Hi. Hi, those that's the next motion. I'm going to see. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Thanks, all. Thank you. Good to see you, Adam. Yeah, you too.