Good evening. I have your attention please. Great. Thank you. Good evening. At this time, I would like to call the order the Tuscan Planning Commission meeting. The time is 7 o'clock. At this time, I would ask Chair Pro Tem, Douth, and Delethe, and the Pledge of Allegiance. Please stand if you're able to and turn towards the flag. Feed out for me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. the office. Vera, this time could you hold a roll call? Commissioner Mason. Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Chair? Any member of the public may address the planning commission on matters which are not listed on this evening's agenda. Provide the matter is within the subject matter jurisdiction of the planning commission. If you're here in person, please fill out our quests to speak for him and hand it to Vera and we will invite you up to the podium. If you're watching via Zoom, please raise your hand in the webinar and you'll be called on to speak. Vera, at this moment, speak for the public comments. Thank you. Okay. Just to clarify, I have a request to speak from David Bush. But there's no agenda item listed. That would be David just to clarify. It's for item number two. Or is it a separate item? If it's item two, you can. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. You hear me okay? It's hard to stay when I hear. Ah, funny. My area is number 18, the last one on your list. 17. It's one of those, the last one on your list. 17? It's one of those, the Enderly Center. So I apologize. Did not. Well, we'll have a public comment period for that later on in the meeting. I'm not sure what. I'll wait. Sorry, yeah, I didn't see an item. Number listed is, I wanted to be sure you weren't here for regular public input. So as there are no public requests for speak, request to speak during public comment. The next item on the agenda is the consent calendar. All matters listed under the consent calendar are considered to be routine and will be enacted by one motion without discussion. Persons wishing to speak regarding consent calendar? Chair, there are none. Thank you. Can I have a motion to approve the consent calendar? Second. Mayor, I can leave a roll call vote please. Chair, pro-tem, Dalton. Aye. Commissioner Mason. Aye. Chair, Higuichi. Aye. Motion passes 302. Chair pro tem douth it. Aye. Commissioner Mason. Aye. And Chair Higuichi. Aye. Motion passes 302. Thank you. Thank you, Vera. The next item on the agenda is the public hearing. Item number two is housing element rezone project for the implementation of programs 1.1A, 1.1B, and 1.1F of the city's adopted general plan housing element. The recommendation at this time is that the Planning Commission continue the item to the October 8, 2024 Planning Commission meeting to allow all commissioners to participate in the Housing Element Reason Project. Now, I apologize on behalf of the Planning Commission. We had an unexpected illness today, and that's why there's only three of us up here. So unfortunately due to that, to the our sparse attendance here, we're not going to, we're unlikely to be able to take any action on this, what we decided not to take any action on this item today in order to afford the other two commissioners the opportunity to weigh on this item because it's an important item. But we also do want to provide the opportunity for you to speak and get your comments on the record. Now, this will come back again to planning commission as I mentioned October 8th. So again, I apologize. I know it's a pain the butt's coming here at 7 o'clock on a Tuesday. I do it every couple of weeks, but you'll have that opportunity on October 8th and also at the city council hearing at a two-bedded-term and date. So again, we look forward to your comments. We really appreciate your participation today. We're not trying to hide anything. It's just a last minute unforeseen circumstance that happened this morning, where we're unable to take action on this item tonight. So with that, if anyone from the public would like to speak on this item, you can either address the commission tonight or you can wait October 8th and I will go through the request to speak your forms. So I'm gonna approach the written request speak forms first that I have here on my the dius in the order received. So Bill Hammerley, you may approach the dius. We have, and again, sorry, apologies. Please limit your comments in three minutes. We're going to be a little strict on that because we have a lot of comments today and we want to be fair for everybody. I need 30. No, I'll just get you got it. It's nice to see a room full of voters. My comments and I think it's a great idea to continue it. This has to be all five of you buying into this. I'm just going to go through my comments as though you were hearing it tonight and that'll keep me to my three minutes. And it starts with why I keep coming back to why. Is this action being taken being taken because it will improve the quality of life and testing and enhance the character of the city? Or are we doing it because the state is making us do it? It appears that under a threat from the state, we are taking action that will allow for the replacement of the iconic shops and restaurants in the Enderley Center with 413 residential units on seven acres. Check my math, but I think it's about 59 units per acre. It's a max height of 75 feet, which I believe is six or seven stories. And if you want to know what that looks like go stand on Red Hill Avenue on legacy and look across the street at the apartments in San Ana or go up the first street and see what San Ana is doing across the street there. And 10 foot setbacks I believe is what's called for a tall building with 10 foot setbacks I think we should probably look at that again. And before anyone takes a default to a position that that will never happen, you need to look also at the objective design standards that are also being considered to be approved by the end of the year. Those are intended to streamline the approval for development applicants who want to build multi-family on the property that we're of the state's development approval of the state of the state's development approval of the state's development approval of the developer applicants who want to build multi-family on the property that we're considering rezoning. On top of that, the process proposes something called ministerial review, which by state definition says a process of development approval involving little or no subjective by a public official or commission. That to me is a little frightening. You know, I want to just, I'll close with, I have enormous respect for the staff and for the planning commission. The job you're doing is tough to tackle. I just would ask that each of you personally, when you vote on this, say to yourself, what we're voting on is really in the best interest of the city And it preserves our character and enhances the quality of life for our people in my opinion This should not be approved. Thank you very much Thank you Bill and thank you for respecting the time period this time I I'd call Yvonne to call to the podium. Absolutely. And a great suggestion by my fellow commissioner, Mason. I'd like to queue up the next two after Yvonne. David Lawrence and Greg Hemorrhea, you're up next. I apologize if I butchered that name. Go ahead. Good evening. I've been a resident of Testin since 1974. I lived in my home on Bonner Drive since 1977. So I raised my children here. They went to schools here. I'm very familiar with the area. The gentleman here was very well informed, and I'm sorry I'm not that informed about. I just know that my concern is that you are putting in considering 417 units at Indolee Center. The traffic on 17th and Yoruba and the 55 is already an issue. Now, my understanding there's a traffic report out, and I haven't seen that. I would like the opportunity to review that. I cannot imagine 417 units. Even one car or two cars will impact that whole traffic area there. You've got the 55 traffic. You've got the 17 street traffic.'ve got the 17th Street traffic. I don't know where two of you gentlemen live, I do know where Amy lives. You cannot at eight o'clock in the morning, at five o'clock in the evening. And then you go across the freeway and it announced there, so they back us up to. So the traffic alone will be terrible. My concern as a resident on Bonner is that parking will become a major issue. It's already a major issue in Santa Ana. It's already Santa Claire. It's already it will be an issue so that my street and streets of my neighbors that are here, cars will be parking on our street and don't tell me they want. You may have a two car garage requirement, but it ain't going to happen. People will not use their garages. They will park. The next thing I know will be parking down our street. We already have traffic on our street where people cut through when the 55 is a problem. You are taking a residential area where families live and you are encompassing a lot of traffic, a lot of homes, a lot of people in the area. I'm definitely opposed to this. I will do everything I can possibly do. I passed out notices to my neighbors. I'm the opposed to this. I will do everything I can possibly do. I passed out notices to my neighbors. I'm the one that went around and I will continue to do this. My concern is that these things are already adopted. How come these resolutions are adopted to go to the City Council for approval? Is this correct? Am I reading that correct? I apologize. We're not going to engage in questions. Oh, I'm sorry. I know it sounds a fresh. But since they're adopted. Okay. And this is the first. Just recently, we signed a petition. This is the first that I and several of the people here knew that these had been adopted prior to that. Apparently at a planning commission meeting. I'm not aware of that. So I just want to voice the concerns of the neighbors that I that we live in. It is a residential area. Parking is going to become an issue. We can people walk through children, their dogs, and my husband and I are in our 80s. It's just going to become just terrible. So anyway, I'm opposed. Thank you, Vaughn. Applause. And I next up is David Lawrence. And I would ask the crowd to hold their applause, again, trending quite a few requests to speak. I'll take the applause. I'm opposed to you're adopting the resolution for the Andrew Lee Center for various reasons. I'm just going to lay three of them on a parking traffic and replacing of existing businesses. I don't know how many of you have recently toured the area. I have pictures of parking made within the last week of parking on the various streets that are named in your resolution. They're already impacted. You add 417 units, which in average of 200 or an average of two cars per unit makes it 834 units, having vehicles that are impacting even more of what we already are seeing. You go up to Santa Clara Street. You see from the freeway, all the way eastward from the freeway in the overpass. It's already parking a lot. Looks like a used car lot. Where are those cars coming from? They're coming from the apartments on the other side of the free north and the apartments that are that are on the street the side street behind Chick-fil-A and in and out. You try to drive down that street. You try to get on to 17th Street in the morning or in the afternoon and it's a zoo. Just last week I tried to get on 17th Street and I went, it took me, I don't know how long it'd be able to get even into the traffic on 17th Street, let alone cross the freeway. And then I noticed that the traffic had already backed up on the freeway, people trying to get off of the freeway, and they were making a congestion back into the freeway and stopping traffic on that outside lane to get ticked on the off ramp. Secondly, it's the replacing of the businesses. At one time, Tustin was business friendly, especially to small family businesses. And what you're doing, if you approve this, you're in essence mandating any vixen notice to the businesses forcing them out of Tustin. I know you guys are in an very unacceptable position. You're in no win. Anything you do is going to be no win. I've been in that position for many years. I was on the personnel board and chairman of the personnel board, the city of Boena Park that was appointed by the City Council and many decisions we made affected the lives of a lot of the residents of Wayne Park. You're in the same position. Don't do that to us today. Thank you. Thank you, David. Next I have Greg Hammaria. I apologize. I can't read this very well. And then I have Diane Holley at next and then Liz Allen after that and then another gentle reminder to hold your applause. So my name is Greg Hammond. I'm also a resident of Tuston. That's within walking distance of the Underlay Center. And the previous speakers have touched on a lot of the concerns I had. So number one, I just want to say I oppose the rezoning that's going to take place at Underlay. But I did notice in some of the documents I was reading, a number that jumped out to me was that there were going this project would add 11,470 daily vehicle trips. And as we've already heard, this area is hugely impacted by traffic already. You can't cross 17th. There's lots of traffic always heading westbound. The freeway, of course, is right there. And I also have lived in Tustin for over 40 years and really appreciate the local businesses that exist there in Enderlay. So I just wanted to state and confirm that I agree with what's being said already and I oppose this project. Thank you, Greg. Thanks for respecting the time of this. Diane Hawley. And then Liz Allen is next and then Nancy Speg, Spegnolo, Paul, Paul. Hi, thank you. Diane Holly. I'm 57. I grew up, was born and raised here in the city of Tustin. Enderly Center is one of the last decent areas where you can go get a really nice meal at a nice restaurant that's not a brewery that doesn't have super loud music that you can actually talk in. It also has small businesses that is not necessarily target TJ Maxx or Marshalls. I really appreciate that and I think a lot of people here in this room do as well. Look at your audience here today. I'm an older adult now too, technically, by terms, right? But most of us here are older adults. And I'm gonna ask that you please really take what we have to heart and really listen to us. The older adult population is the only population group that's growing, not only in the state of California in Orange County and across the country. So I'd really encourage you to listen to our votes. Certainly taking away, Enderly Center is not going to do anything for testing except for increased traffic. Agitate all of these people in the room and the rest that constituents that are not here today. So please, please listen to us. Thank you. Thank you, Diane. Thank you for respecting the time limit. I guess I'll give up on asking the whole view, applause. Liz Allen and Nancy Spegnolo, and then Shermaine Badini. Excuse me. Go ahead, Nancy. Hi, I'm Liz Allen, and I live in Park Teston, which is literally right across the street from Andrew Lee Center. And I'm opposed to the current plan for it. I agree that I mean the traffic is a nightmare on 17th and the 55 in your bed. That's just a nightmare already. already if you add 413 times to 800 more cars we won't be able to go anywhere. But also I understand why we need more housing. So I guess my thought was why doesn't have to be 413 units and have it be in addition to the whole Enderley Center. Why can you not maybe take like 50 or 100 units and just build that on the vacant land part of Enderley Center where there's nothing where you're not going to disrupt the businesses or it's just an empty parking lot now and it's a good size. You know, right at Enderley Center Drive in Vandenberg and then just do a minimal housing plan for that. And I'm sure you can find other areas in Tustin, you know, to build to meet that state's quota. So just some food for thought, but I don't know why it would have to be 413 right there. Just break it down a little bit more. And that'll help you know traffic and congestion and everything. So that's my thought. Thank you. If you're not going to hold the applause, I would appreciate holding up on any commentary for any individual speaker. Up next is Nancy Spagnolo and then Charmaine Boni and then Jim Blake. Hi, I live in the lead test and legacy area. My concerns with this rezoning project. What types of units are you going to be building and how is that going to affect my property values? And then if you do start construction, how much notice do you give to the homeowners for that before it starts? There's so much traffic already on test and round roads feeding all hours of the night. I mean racing Really a lot of concerns with us and those are my concerns there. Thank you Thank you Nancy. Thank you for respecting this time woman Sharmane Bodini again. I apologize That's okay. Good evening. I have been a business owner in Tustin now for 26 years and the Enderly Centre to me is just a landmark and like somebody had already said it's nice restaurants, lots of little boutiques and we definitely are the old group here. My concern is 413, like other people had said, a lot of people may not be aware, but there are already people in Tuston who have dealt with the city of Tuston who have parking problems on their street. And where these people are coming from is Santa Ana. So you'll get four or five cars that will come over, park on a street, and leave those cars and get a ride back. My question is, if this is affordable housing and it sounds like it, you do not have to have two parking spots for every unit. I know that in Los Angeles it's zero parking. So I just would say, think about the businesses around you. The streets you've got, the Enderly Gardens, older people, people willing, crotch on their areas. You'll have marshals parking lot that'll be a mess. You know, do we want to go into a store and get a ticket like you have to do in some medical buildings so that you're in bay number 30, just in order to park there. So it's the parking, the businesses. We have very few shopping centres unless we go down to the Tuxton Marketplace. So this is just really nice for us and going across Tuxton Avenue is not a safe for older people just walking to their cars from a restaurant that's been there for years. So please think about the residents. We just appreciate everything you do in Tustin and keep it safe and how it has been for years. Thank you. Thank you, Sherman. Thank you for taking the time. Up next is Jim Blake and Following with David Bush and Diane and Gary load loader back All right, thank you. I'm speaking on for the legacy project And so I understand you know, I know there that's always been planned to have housing there My concern is the increased density. We've already have a lot of traffic issues on Red Hill and in Jure Tusson Ranch Road, especially during peak traffic hours. So as that density goes up, it just makes that problem worse. As well, parking is another issue that's come up a couple times. Again, as you increase the density, the streets get more narrow. All the surrounding neighborhoods already have traffic or parking issues. It's a Columbus Square green wood, Tuston Field. They were all built high density, so they have narrow roads. And so there's just inadequate parking in those communities, so they park elsewhere on the streets, and so now we're adding more high density. Kind of the third piece of that is if it is mixed use and you have retail underneath the high density you run into problem of again the more density no parking you end up with retail space that doesn't get visited because there's no parking and tend to see a lot of turnover in those types of situations. So I just wanted to put that on record. Hopefully some thought could be put forward on changing the infrastructure ahead of any project. See maybe traffic can be diverted, maybe roads can be expanded before there's additional density added. Thank you. Thank you, Jim. And thank you for respect for the time limit. David Bush You're up All of you for the first fall start and then I have Diane and Gary lower lower back and then will gron wall following Well, I think My area has been well represented by the people that have spoken already Seems like we all are concerned with the additional traffic. I was trying to figure out what there's two things. I have a question, if I may ask. Who is proposing this and who benefits from having the end of the center made into 413? Is it the children from Mr. Entley? I mean, who is it that wants this done? of 413, is that the children from Mr. Entley? I mean, who is it that wants this done? Certainly the people live around it, don't want it done. That was my first question. Somebody has an answer for that or can tell, no. We're not gonna engage in it. Okay, just improper for us to engage in this. The second thing is I've been trying to figure out with 413 new apartments. What does that mean? If I take I live on a very small street, which only has 15 houses. But I think if you took a square mile of North Houston, I'm not sure that you'd get to 413 houses. So you're in effect, increasing the population there really big time. And I think that should be considered that I don't think we really want the population to increase or the traffic to increase. That's all I have to say, and I thank you for listening. Thank you, David. Thank you for spending the time on it. And we are recording these questions. So these are questions that we will address at the actual public hearing. So at this time, I'd call Diane and Gary Loderbach. And then I have Will, Grandwall, and then Billy Holt thereafter. I think everyone has presented most of our concerns. I tried reading through all of the agenda online and as some of it is very difficult to understand, but it keeps coming back to why, who's supporting this, why is it being supported, is it being thrust upon us, and is this, are we spinning in the wind here? How far will our comments go? Can you answer anything? Again, at this time, we're not going to respond any questions. Will we get a response at some point? Yeah, so your questions are being recorded and they will direct staff to address the questions that we can address and the commissioners will have the purview to address any questions at the public hearing on October 8th. Thank you. Next I have Will Granwell and then Billy Holt and then Doris and Ischino thereafter. Hi there. I'm a resident of the, I'm speaking on the Tustin Legacy project. I'm a new resident in the landing and I'm supportive of the additional housing but I apologize. I'm speaking to the Tustin Legacy Project. I'm a new resident in the landing. And I'm supportive of the additional housing, but I have questions about, it wasn't clear to me what kind of housing it is. And I also think that the multi-family and the office, like I'd like to advocate more for like single-family homes instead of more multi-family and the office space in that project in particular. So thank you. Thank you, Will. Billy Holt. And Dorison Ischino, then Monica Hayden-Hater, I believe. As you know, for everyone that has showed up tonight, and everyone that has spoken in opposition to this, there are many more people who were not able to come or have not showed up. So mostly we've heard, I mean, most people oppose this high density housing project, but we've heard a lot from elderly. So they have already stated a lot of my concerns, but for all the people that are here representing opposition to elderly, would you raise your hands? So you can see how many people are against elderly, and that only represents a few of the people. And one of the things we have a great concern about safety, the original plan was not to have this many people in the area, this many cars, this much traffic. So in addition to all the things that have already been said, End early serves our community as a place where the community comes together and supports students who have productions there, holiday events that are there, various things where our community gathers. So it really affects the quality. Really affects the quality of our community and the quality of life and testing. It appears to me that no good thing could come out of building this high density population apartments at in early. So I would urge the council and the planning commission to go back to the drawing board and study where other areas that this could be built, that perhaps would not impact our community as much as closing the businesses at Enderley. And thank you very much. Thank you for respecting the time limit. Doris and Ischino and then Monica Hader thereafter. Hi, I've been here about eight years now and moved here with my family. We live in a moté generational home about two blocks south of here. And I was just happy that they chose to move over here, school system. But I'm concerned about the quality of life. Putting so many more dwellings here is fine, but what about the plans for our quality of life? And I think that higher density is not going to help that. There's, if a company is carrying about that, there's a lot of things that they could do. I go to the senior center, that's a good quality of life for me. So nearby, I'm able to go to some nice restaurants there. And I just think that, you know, what makes Tustin great right now is some of the slow density feeling, kind of a small town feeling, you know? And I like that. And I think previous local governments have been wise to kind of keep it that way. And I like to oppose any kind of high density kind of building. I would like to thank the staff and the. Do we have enough police to cover all these added residents to the area? I feel like we're at a deficit at this point. We've had tons of break-ins. We've had neighbors that have lived next sort of us for 30 years, decide to pack it in because of the safety issues. So I think that's something that has not been referenced tonight. I worry about my property and how the value of my home will be devalued by the added density that's going in. And I've raised two kids in this area. I've lived in my house for 31 years. I'm a resident of Testin for, I hate to say it, 59 59 years and I think that this is really what holds the cultural community here is having the walking distance to restaurants and shops. All of that goes away and not to mention all the parking and everything else that was represented here earlier. So why not renovate areas of testin that really need? And we have a whole center that's on Red Hill and El Toro, El Camino, that is in desperate need of an upgrade. Why not put it there? So let's keep our area the way it is. Let's make it a destination place for people to come. Let's not tear that down by adding more density living. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Monica. Applause. Tara, do I have any, do we have any additional in-person requests to speak forms? No chair, I do not. Tara, do you have any anybody on Zoom that would like to make a public comment? Yes, first in mind would be Lana Clay. I'm sorry. Okay, thank you. Go ahead, Lana. Hi, Lana here. I'm actually running for City Council in District 4. So this conversation has deep meaning. First and foremost, I. Second to that, I heard one of our four community leaders in Columbus Square speak, our H.O.A. President Jim Blake. I could not agree more that preceding all of this needs to be investment within our infrastructure in the custom legacy. As he had stated, our roads, one of our central premises that we were striving for, and as someone with young children is to be out in our parks and for this area to be walkable, to encourage us to walk to our grocery store, to encourage us to be out together and strive for community. Many of us, we have three types of dwellings within our townhouses and condos. We do not have backyards and some of us do not have court yards or front areas. And so it was encouraging living here over a decade to watch the development, but to hold on to aspects of a safe environment, which is getting to my last real piece here is our environment. This area has gone through a tremendous amount of emotional change with the hangar fire. And when I was looking at numbers, I see a little bit of language here that will need clarification. So very specifically, I see that we're talking about approximately 2,000 units to be built. But there's something here hidden. It says that you are proposing to build an additional 1300 buffer units and the statement is they are to be less than specified capacity. So I read that is very small high density apartments and then in addition the last thing that I think the public would really benefit on clarification is the mathematics at the end where it states that the 2200 rezoning plus 2700 density bonus. And I see that, you know, aggregating that together is under five, a little bit under 5,000 units combined together. And so, so I'm just, you know, really unpleased with this. It's not going to help us. We are not ready. And I look at overall the design, and we've discussed this before. I do expect us to kind of make this more consistent across the board and just project a better plan and help us all move forward in a meaningful and healthy manner. Thank you. Thank you, Lana. Vera, are there any other comments via Zoom? Next, we have Angela B. Go ahead, Angela. Angela? Angela? Angela, we're going to go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and David Sam Bourne. Go ahead, David. Hi there. Can you hear me okay? Yes. Madam Clerk. All right. So as part of this discussion on housing expansion, I think we need to revisit one of the infrastructure components of it, namely the pedestrian bridges in Tustin Legacy. As I understand it, as it sits today, the city will be building pedestrian bridges, starting with Armstrong moving to Warner and then to Tuston Ranch. As I've been told, it's due to conductivity infrastructure, electrical planning, and that that begins at one end, and the goal is to ultimately connect to the metro link to the entire area. I think as well as many of the community members in Greenwood and surrounding areas that we need to rethink this approach for multiple reasons. I think that we need to begin with the TUSD and Ranch pedestrian bridge rather than Armstrong. And the reason why is that the city can benefit both commuters and the community. And here's how. Number one is improved commuter flow. The Trust and Ranch Bridge is closer to the Metro link station. And if we were able to build a path to connect that, that could mean that people starting to move there and enable faster public transit connections improving commuter convenience sooner rather than later. Economic benefits for businesses earlier connection to the Metro link, but also increased foot traffic for nearby businesses helping the local economy right earlier in the project and one of the most primary concerns that we've been talking about and I think was brought up around Moffat opening up that roadway is safety and immediate impact prioritizing the bridge at TUSD Ranch which twoounds of dirt has sat there for nearly eight years. We'll address an immediate safety concern for children going to the less-tustin legacy magnet economy, as well as traveling all the way over to heritage elementary. This is a six-lane roadway. The kids have to navigate on bike or on foot. This would create a path for them to get over there much more safely. Economic and environmental argument also. Earlier economic gains, connectivity to the Metroling station as well as environmental impact should obviously be addressed. I just want to point out a few examples in my last 55 seconds here that this is this shift in infrastructure changes is not something that Tustin has not done before. We've shifted a few different times in the Tustin Legacy development as well as North Tustin Street revitalization in that North Tustin Street corridor, where things had to be shifted mid-project. This is, there's bumper of examples where other US examples where things had to be paused and reassessed in the middle and the infrastructure projects. So before this pedestrian bridge is begun, I think this city really needs to take a stronger look on how we can get more value sooner out of these projects. Thank you. Thank you, David. Vera, is there another any further comments via Zoom? and I'm going to go to the next slide. Thank you, David. Is there any further comments via Zoom? Yes. Next we have Margaret E. Row. Go ahead, Margaret. Hi. I wanted to thank all the other speakers tonight. You've all done a great job. And as a personal ensuing, I really appreciate it. I also just want to say that all of us here listening on Zoom, we are active in the community. And just because we're on Zoom, that doesn't mean that we're not aware where no less so. I wanted to echo everyone's comments about traffic I'm all for public housing but 413 units in such a small space is too many and The traffic is already horrendous. It's only going to get worse So I hope that you listen to the residents who are going to be most affected and the small business owners and That you really hear what we're trying to say. Thank you. Thank you Margaret. Vera who is next? Next is Angela B. Go ahead Angela. Hello thank you sorry for the technology issues earlier. I just wanted to voice my concerns as well, especially on the Underley Center project. I live in Park Testin right across the street and the parking is already horrific there, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, and, um, take that away would make Tustin lose a like a big portion of the community and the feelings of family and togetherness that exist because of it. Also, of course, the traffic issues as everybody has said, if you do put housing in the center, I think you need to work with the city of Santa Anna to make the traffic flow better because it's ridiculous. You can't safely get on and off. There's accidents on the freeway, off ramp, and that bridge all the time. And then the racing that happens down 17th Street. If we add high-density housing with lots of people with more cars, it's just gonna congest things more, make that situation more dangerous. So I just wanted to put in my two cents and say that I definitely opposed it and I think that it would really take away from our beautiful city to lose and early center. Thank you, Angela. There are there any additional comments via Zoom? Yes, we have Frank Ortiz. Go ahead, Frank. Thank you very much. Yeah, as a, I don't want to say a long time resident, but my wife and my daughter moved here in 2013 and I'm representing the Enderly Center project and strong opposition of it. A couple of reasons why which have been voiced previously by the residents of Tustin. You know, we came here with with the expectation of good school districts and we really enjoyed and we still enjoy the Enderly Center. We personally walk there. we know the business owners, we shop there on and on and on. What really scares me though is, as an investor and developer in another state, where I do medium housing and high density housing, I get cut all the time because we have to follow the per acre and unit per acre. And 413 units, I just think is a massive amount. Obviously it was voiced 800 some cars, 800 plus cars. I looked at the traffic report and the average daily trips. I didn't see anything in there about school buses, school bus stops, anything like that, maybe I didn't read all of it. But then on the topic of school, where are these people going to get school? Are they going to go to Loma Vista? You know, just things like that that go through my head and on the topic of schooling. And I'm going to button that up with safety. We started taking our daughter to St. Jeans on first street in Santa Ana. And as the previous person said, you are going to need to work with Santa Ana on this. If you want to see what safety looks like in the morning with high density and affordable housing, go to first street and check out the bus stops. You're going to see what safety looks like there. And as people nodding off on bus stops using drugs in broad daylight, that's what that's going to look like. I hope not. But if you wanted a taste of it, go over there because I saw it every morning with the expense of putting a kid in private school and I couldn't believe that I'm driving through this to go to a private school and I can't help but think that that is just a block, going to be a block away from me. We already have cars impacting us here on Santa Clara from the apartment complex on Santa Clara and, uh, and tested. And as another previous resident said, people do come in park two and three cars and then get rides back to their house. It's already here. The cars are already here. The traffic's already here. Uh, I would really, really appreciate you guys as someone in real estate, someone in multi-generational housing and medium density housing. Take another look at this because it would be a shame if that shopping center is lost. I strongly oppose. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Vera, who would be next on Zoom? next we have Tina. Go ahead Tina. Hi my name is Tina and I'm a resident in Greenwood in the test and legacy. My family and I have lived here since 2016. And I'm also opposed to the additional housing that's proposed for the legacy. I understand that you have state mandates that you have to follow, but I would request that if you do have to then single family homes or not in high density housing. As it is right now, we have a lot of traffic on Test and Ranch Road. I've even had to input some suggestions and engage testing about the traffic on Test and Ranch Road, especially in the mornings when we have to go to work and take our children to school. I also wanted to touch about the same sentiments as David and Lana about the infrastructure. I understand that you're wanting to build a bridge over in Armstrong, but I'm thinking that bridge would be better and more useful in the legacy, the one that's who's to go from off it towards LMA, because the kids that have to bike and walk to school. Right now they have to go all the way down to Srirange and down the Lensia and Kensington. But if you had that bridge, then they could just go straight to LMA and that would benefit the kids in Greenwood, testing fields, Anton, legacy, Liberty. Also, we've had a lot of additional and increased crime in Greenwood and other areas of the legacy because of the added housing in Greenwood. We've had to add our own security company and we have to have them here every single day, eight and a half hours a day, because we've had burglaries, we've had cart devs, package devs. So I just wanted to make it an important sentiment that in order to build more housing, then we also need to look at the infrastructure and the safety of the community and the kids and families around the legacy. Thank you. Thank you, Tina. Vera, who's next? There are no other hands raised, Chair. Thank you, Vera. Just to just a double check, are there any additional requests to speak from the audience? There are none, thank you. We have one hand raised, fair apologies. If you don't mind putting your name down and writing, but we've got our card. I'll go ahead and speak, sir. And then you can put your name on a card there after. We want to make sure everyone's who's intended to spoke with record. I'm sorry that I've I lost my nerve earlier but I got it back. I agree with everyone here. My wife and I have been living here for over 40 years. It's a wonderful place and Enderley Center is not a derelict community that needs to be redone. Now I'm going to step on toes here. But if real estate people and developers and contractors need something to do, I mean, it's pretty convenient that that hanger burned down and they can go down and do something down there. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. If you would like to speak, please come approach the podium. But I would like you, I would ask that you put a, um, write your name for the record. I'll do it afterwards afterwards. After. Hi, my name is Alex. I just have a bunch of questions basically. I live in, uh, testing legacy and we've been told, being given a lot of information regarding what they're going to do with those two fields right next to the hangars. And I just want to know what's happening there. At first, they told us that they were going to build condominiums. Now they're saying they're going to build apartments and they said they were going to build a park. And nothing is happening with the park. And also, what in the world are they gonna do with the remainder of the burnt down hanger? I mean, there are four columns, they're very unsightly. Is the city gonna maybe take those down? Are they gonna stay there forever? Is historical burnt down? So we just wanna know what's happening because it's very ugly view. So thank you. Thank you for your comments. Pete, do you want to say something? OK, you got to write it. You got to put your name down in a card. Again, like everybody says, thank you for doing such a great job. I know you're following the rules and doing what you're supposed to do based on, and I spoke to the attorney. You have to do stuff like this, okay? But I am the President of the Home Owner Association of Endily Gardens, and I want to thank all the people from Endily Gardens that came in. It's fantastic, you guys gave the support. I was kind of telling them, well don't worry about it, but I think you need to get involved. Boy did they get involved. And I want to thank them from coming down and definitely be here in the next meeting. I'll be here our whole staff from Enderly Gardens will be here too. And it will affect our property values, huge, and also the quality of life. And being able to walk over at Christmas to see all the stuff that's going on, I miss Al, Al did a wonderful job over there, I miss him. But I understand the new builder that wants to come in, wants to have more and better there. He does, he's not for putting buildings there. He's for putting stuff that we can see different stores and make it really nicer. So I'm hoping he wins and he's also the builders looking for another location. So this guy is really investing in testing. So let's keep our fingers crossed that everything goes well. Thank you. Thank you, Pete. There are just a double check. Are there any additional requests to speak? Online or in person? No chair. Thank you. Thank you, Vera. So on behalf of the Planning Commission, again, we sincerely apologize for having to continue this item due to unforeseen circumstances. Believe me, it's not lost on us that this is, you've been here for an hour on a weekday and that is a big sacrifice. So we do respect your time and again, we apologize for having to continue this item. I hope you take this opportunity to meet your neighbors, talk to each other, formulate some cohesive questions or input and provide those to us and staff as soon as possible. So we can be responsive and receptive of those questions or those or that input. I'd also remind the audience that the documents are publicly available online. They should be on the front of our website. Now, I will agree with you. It's basically Latin in those documents, but those documents do hold the key to what's going on here. So we will address the staff over presentation on October 8th. But I encourage you to read those carefully. I know it's painful. We have to do it every week, but I would encourage you to read those carefully. So at this time, I would entertain a motion to continue the item to October 8th, 2024's Planning Commission meeting. Before I make the motion, I have a couple of quick comments. I personally am in strong opposition to this project. I wanted to personally thank every single person that is in this room, spoke and person, watched on Zoom, spoke on Zoom. I'm happy that this project is being continued. It gives staff another chance to take your comments and do account. And hopefully we get to chance to reevaluate this and take another look at this at our next meeting. But I also wanted to touch upon some of the other comments that were made regarding the parking. I've been a strong proponent for requiring permitted parking in the surrounding neighborhoods so that leaves our city streets to the residents that live on it as well as the cars that are being used by the residents, not for other individuals that are just parking on our residents' streets. So with that, I am in opposition, but I am in support of of continuing this conversation. And like I said, I am thankful for every single person that is here, took an hour out of their Tuesday evening to come and participate. So with that, I'll make the motion to continue. Second. I pause. Vary, can we have a roll call vote please? Yes. I forgot my roll for sure. I vote to him, Dalphit. Aye. Commissioner Mason. Aye. And Chair Higuichi. Aye. Motion passes 302. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. We'll see you all in October 8th, I hope. At this time, there is no regular business, other business by our community development director, Justina, welcome. Thank you, Chair Higuchi. I just wanted to bring your attention to the multifamily and mixed use objective design standards. We have released the draft, and we plan to have a stakeholder meeting tomorrow at three o'clock. We will be reporting the input from the stakeholders to planning commission when we take this back to you. Sorry, could you repeat that more loudly? The, you're having a stakeholders meeting when and where? Tomorrow at 3 to 5 p.m. at the City Hall Community Domin. Will it be available in Zoom? Be a Zoom? No, no. No, it's a industry meeting with developers. Oh, it's okay. Yeah, so it's a technical meeting stakeholder group meeting. Okay, understood. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, so it's a technical meeting stakeholder group. Okay, understood. Yeah. Thank you. And that is all I have to report on. Are there any Planning Commission comments or reports? Uh, Commissioner Mason? Uh, I just want to thank everybody here and my neighbor that is here as well and my neighbors. Uh, I think you showing up and looking at the purview of the Planning Commission, as well as what I'm going to ask staff to do is define or outline the process that we go through in our communities. There's zoning, there's bringing developers in. I think the stakeholder meeting is an important one. I'm happy to chat with anybody about the process. It's better that the staff outlines it. So I'd like to ask that that be brought on the October 8th meeting. I think that will enlighten all of us. I just so you know, I often, those reports and what we receive as planning commissioners can be this big. I often ask staff just to talk to me like I'm a fifth grader and it's really helpful in understanding what we can do at this point, and where our voices are most impactful. So again, thank you for showing up, and look forward to seeing all of you, and maybe some additional neighbors on October 8th. Thank you, Commissioner Mason, Chair, Pro-Tem's outfit. Again, I just wanna applaud this group. You're a well-organized group. You do a good job of getting the vote out, getting the Communication out. So continue what you're doing and like Commissioner Mason said Get your friends out here as well on October 8th and then eventually to the City Council meeting as well. So Keep doing what you're doing and I appreciate every single person that came out and watched as well. So keep doing what you're doing and I appreciate every single person that came out and watched on Zoom. So thank you. Thank you, Chair, I'll put it down. My only comment is usually we have one person here in attendance. So the weight of your presence is felt at this commission. Does again, thanks for coming out. With that, I would like to adjourn this meeting at almost hit eight o'clock. Eight o'clock? The next regular meeting of the Planning Commission is scheduled for Tuesday, October 8, 2024. Thank you for your attendance. Your attendance.