I have a to 903 AM and we will call this regular meeting of the Chorale County Commission's court order at this time noting that all members are present. For those of you that are here in person, if you've got an electronic device, we'd ask that you place it on silence at this time. And for those of you participating by Zoom, we would ask that you place your device on mute until such time that you might need to address the court. We'll begin this morning with a word of prayer. How much grace is heavy Father? We come before you humbled in your side and asking for the forgiveness of our sins. Lord, we're so thankful for having a new year and a new opportunity. We ask that you watch over a guidance and bless us. You steer us so that we might do here on earth what honors you in heaven. Lord, we ask for your blessings and watching over those that are in times of trouble and need the areas in this world that are in conflict, man against man, but never man against God. And for those that are suffering from natural disasters, wildfires, and flooding events that impact their daily lives, always Lord, let them remember that you're guiding them, and you are the watchword. Lord, we ask that you continue to place your hand of blessing upon Corio County and the fair weather and grateful for the rains that you give us. We ask for a very fruitful year coming up. And Lord, never let us lose sight of the true reason that we are here and that's to serve and honor you. Lord, we ask all these things in your son's holy name, amen. Amen. And the pledge to our flags, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. I honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state, under God, one, is as one administrative note I'll let everybody know we do have legal counsel scheduled for a 10 10 o'clock call this morning so in the event that the regular agenda items run up to that time, we may in fact recess into executive session at approximately 10 o'clock so that we can meet Mr. Miller's timeline. And with that, the next item on our agenda is the public forum. Citizens may address the court on any matter as matters concerning county personnel or matters under litigation. Each citizen will be allocated five minutes with a total time not to exceed 30 minutes. Is there anyone here in person that would like to address the court this morning? Seeing and hearing none, is there anyone that is participating by Zoom that would like to address the court this morning. Seeing it here, none, we will move on to item number five on the agenda, which is the consent agenda. Noting that there are four items there, I will read those off, but you may choose to approve the consent agenda as presented or you may choose any of those to be selected and discussed individually. We have a motion to approve the consent agenda from Commissioner Baishman and a second from Commissioner Taylor any further discussion on item five. Hearing none all those in favor say aye. All those opposed say no. I as have it motion carries item number six is the road and bridge. Road and bridge report mr. Lightom Blighted an advice one location like 15 roads We had chip steel that section of the table are off to the domination to a people. We cleaned this with 12 locations and cleaned four, we'll see if these out and check the inches around them. A cleared fallen trees, another roadway in three locations. Cleaning the debris, out and underneath the bridge on kind of roadway 15. Pick the dump out of the roadway at 17 locations. So we can start tracking that in our system. And that's going to be called what we're getting in from our horse blocks for now. So we're tracking that separate of trees and things like that. So that's going to be not when we're not picking up trash. Like you're gonna pick up hands as pouches, tires. Yeah. You. I was gonna ask, is this, I mean, like, because I did see a post on social media about trash bags of trash being dumped out there. Does that include it in what you're talking about here, or? Well, like so if new relation where somebody just backed up here and turned circle, hung up, picked up or no pick them up, but we don't really go out and think. This is not litter. I mean, it's not litter patrol, but it is actual large chunks of physical items of quote unquote trash. Like first like, well bags of leaves and grass cuttings or something we picked up somewhere. I want to move. Okay. It's mainly what's made like a lot of times maybe we're somebody's moving like your house out on the other way. We've done a lot in past, but you know, we're just tracking some specifically over the last. So we'll separate from what you're freefall in or you know, dirt wash up with others, my father. No, I appreciate you all doing that. Thank you. First of all, can you write $194? There is, we separated this now here for some reason. I don't exactly know why I've talked with the guys, but some illegal delving on ball mall. It must have been more excessive than the than others. Sometimes when you take a dump truck they separate that out where we track at different mode drags on 40 locations, batch 10 roads, install a county road name signs, then put up any curb or speed limit signs, installed three stop signs that were led by the laws or blue, over repaired, three CMDs, installed by new ones and replace one. Been picking up brush to hold brush off in 17 locations and rent these three locations. That's that. I'm going to most to accept the road of Britain port from Commissioner Matthews, second from Commissioner Bation. I would direct Mr. Bell with. I'm not put you under the. Gone here, but I mean, are you aware of this kind of illegal dumping out on Baldnown Road? Is that something your office is engaged with? Or... I guess we're talking about it, Judge. Okay. We visit about the illegal dumping pretty much daily, definitely weekly. I thought, can we actually say, as matter of fact, about when he was all the play calling him anyway. That's what they weekly. Dr. Mewish says matter fact about a belt. He was all that they call him anyway. That's what they do. Yeah. But, it's not going properly. It's not going. And a lot of it, I mean, it's all over the board, but residential, like garbage out of trash can in the kitchen is probably a very, very minor part of all of this. It is hurtful things. Some of it appears as if, so let's say I've got a rent house and my renters live out and they just leave a bunch leave a bunch of stuff. Well I hire a hire of someone so to kind of clean it out. Well someone so to get some money and he goes and cleans it out all right but he takes it out and roads somewhere and just throws it out of the back of his pickup because it didn't he is. There's nothing anything in it that ties back to him. Anything that ties back to the older renters that were living in the wholesome and such house and higherty between and out. But usually there's nothing in it that we can tie back to anybody. It's just stuff, random stuff like cows, you love seeds, over out chairs, just and just tires, stuff and tires. So yes, unfortunately I'm aware of almost everyone of these everyone of these and we are engaging the best we can to try to find the culprits, but it is very difficult because we've done it by the information. You know, I was wondering about what to do at some point, this kind of whole public service and now let's public service and I was going to try to, we get very few calls from people with information that would lead us to who actually did. We get a lot of calls that are stuff out of the deck on the side of the road. But we get very, very few calls about, you know, I saw this very truck noting the stuff I was out on, or whatever, you know. I think a lot of the roads have that residential trash or just be my old house out of the blue, things like the end of the night. You know, winter dirt road, just, you know, just outside, you know, how many of these are, how big we're going to do. There's a lot of them that come forward, really, and over there all the time, and we're going to be very, and it's, uh, that's the federal budget, the pretty good respect that's the, uh, we're going to be able to, you know, say, we're going to be able to do a lot of little I don't want bridges. Yeah, they love to go out bridges too. I don't want to be like those looks like it's going to work. That's where it goes in place. I don't know why it's frozen so much about it. It seems to be the go-to place. Well, I think it's going to be a long way away cleaned up. I just want to be. I want to be careful in this right. Don't think this is a negative comment in any. In any shape form or fashion. You know, we're submitting a report to the court and the courts accepting it going to the record and we use the word illegal. I just want to make sure that the prosecutor's office at the appropriate level is tied into that so that we're not misrepresenting something. And I don't think that you would, but that's the reason I asked that question, not questioning whether it is legal or, because I don't know if there is legal dumping. But... I can count in our, you guys, the box is doing our database. If we want to change, I mean, that's... No, I'm comfortable with what it is. I just, you know, as a, as a formality, want to make sure that we are representing the fact that, you know, we're taking an action from the road and bridge side of things and there are other actions that are going long to support those actions from road and bridge. So I'm comfortable with the language. I just want to make sure that we were in fact, you know, on the judicial side of things, all those, those pieces tied in together and I feel very comfortable with Mr. Belts' comments. So, you know, no, we have also, in this way, the good thing is that the old and the Stamps Office to provide a limited work crew availability two days a week, we'll need it to be able to go out and pick up more of the residential household trash top stuff. We've very much better transpired on identifying information any of them and tied back to a case. And so, you know, couches, tires, like that nature, not so much, but the residential trash that we have calls for service on, we've been working with the Sheriff's Department to get those picked up, taking those to a location where we're having our team, Gil Trull, trying to find identifying information on the case of those. So what we're doing, we shouldn't be getting the calls on those types of either of them in cases, or in a more different never this because we think we got a better chance to solve those. Like when somebody leaves a bill with their name on it. Okay, no, understand. And I don't mean to dig rest, but I did. One Mr. Light, I appreciate you adding those, those two items there, deep for, you know, detailed purposes. And Mr. Bell, I appreciate your input and insight on what we're doing on the investigative side of those things. You know, probably the biggest ones are in back in the road., the cost for the tires, because then we turn around, bring them up to road bridge, and we pay you a pen to dispose of them. I don't think we're capturing that in our cost in these shoes as far as the, But these sheets mainly just track manires, force accounts essentially equipment, light repuels, and their time. But we catch all of our vendors for like a base and things like that, but I'm a bet. We're not catching that cost. Cause they go big amount, bring them out there to a big pile of beaming our tires and the other thing is big pick. Winter comes out and gets all the tires and so just be on the vehicle. I think that's certainly something worth looking into, but at this point, I wouldn't say we. Spend an exorbitant amount of time and effort in trying to make those calculations. But it would be, you know, at some point in the future something to look at. So with that, we do have a motion and a second to accept the Rodent Bridge report. Is there any further discussion from the court. Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. All those opposed to no. I just have it motion carries. And again, Mr. Laiton, as always, especially starting off 2025, appreciate you and the effort of your crews in maintaining the infrastructure of Royal County. Item number seven would be update and actions on grants to include but not limited to. We'll start out with SS4A. I don't believe there's been any movement on any additional. Reimbursements of funds under that. Would that be an accurate statement, Mr. Bell? Yes. Do you foresee that there's going to be any significant, and what I'm getting at is, is there, do you, as you've kind of administered a lot of this, is there any reason to continue to have SS4A on our grant discussion. I mean I'll certainly leave it on there. another Timothy Probably Yeah, it's So I don't sleep no more. Okay, they're good I'm going to ask the court. I would assume that you all would want to reapply again. I mean, I may have made it a little bit more political. The environments were different, what I was before. And, you know, we got all that we've been sitting back through. We attended some calls with the US Department of Transportation. They gave us an societal piece that they finally needed to tie it up on a little bit before able to do it. Or are you going to go a different way? But if we're going do that, the center of that's only about 60 days out, we wanna prepare and rate the clock for that. So, guess how, I don't think there's an action either, but I'd like to know, kind of what the force is thinking of it. Yes or no, only an attentional way. In my very humble opinion, being one person of five, that yes, I think it's worthwhile. Given that that is a federal program with a defined time period to it, as far as the funding that we're aware of and being able to capture some of those funds and bring those back to Coriel County to address some of our infrastructure needs from a safety standpoint. So yes, I will certainly highlight that and look at our next meeting in January to maybe have a more detailed discussion on what's the direction we want to go with SS4. So we're starting to really apply, make something that we get, now look at pretty additional flow of drain that. I mean, with the type of background, tighten that percentage back, you want to do that, or you all may decide what your direction or not do it all. So were only five implementation grants granted to Texas by this last round. The city of Bell me and city of Rock. And I think that's a great question. I think we're going to have to go back to the last round. I think we're going to have to go back to the last round. I think we're going to have to go back to the last round. I think we're going to have to go back to the last round. I think we talked about it before. There were only five implementation grants granted to Texas by this last round. The city of Belmedad and the city of Robinson were two of those in the amounts of 70, you know, 70, 70, 70, 50, and the city of Robinson got 9,000, and 673,000. Yes. So these were big grants and they were for both of those for corridor safety improvement projects, you know, state highways and local roadways and city of Robinson's was a systematic road do? 9.6 million. Midland Dallas and Austin, the other three, that they were all about the same two Midland go 86. Dallas got man two, and Austin got 10 forward. The demographic filter, the others being used back there, they've been a little different from the fallen. They must find the only member of the Robinson's rule also on land. Those projects were pulled from the West here. And without revisiting that list, I think it was very heavily weighted urban versus rule. I mean, Um, the arm was one way to describe it. Yeah, there were there was there was some metrics that that may not be applicable to all of how those are located. No, I would just right now as as my notes that I'm making, is we need to set aside some time on our next meeting to have a little bit more detailed discussion on which direction court wants to go with the SS 4 application. What we've previously applied for and what what we're not going to apply for going forward.. Mr. Manning, thank you for your input. Mr. Belk, yours as well. Any other comments, concerns or questions under SS4A? Okay, very good hearing none. We'll move on to the hazard mitigation plan. I believe we've adopted and well it has been adopted by the court. Mr. Belton, do you have insight as to our reimbursement under HMP? Absolutely. All the documents that they requested follow up on their requested have not heard from them. and report all the days. Since before the 15th December probably since last time I heard from them. I did get an email the other day that some report was needed corrected, but it was a brand new email. I assume based on 100 reports that I submitted submitted the first January, but I'm not going to December. There's no details about what the error was. So I have reached out to him to give me some clarity on exactly what it is that I did wrong. And somebody, I think it was exactly the same way I had heard my prior to that. Okay. We'll see. Okay. Thank you, guys. But I am still not other reports on the HMP. It's still not close out yet. How do you assume? Good old reports. I appreciate your persistence and diligence in that. Any questions, comments or concerns from the court considering the hazard mitigation plan? Okay, moving on to the Resilient Communities Program Grant, RCP, I don't think we necessarily need to get into too much detail because we do have a workshop scheduled for this afternoon to discuss the land use plan, which is a big portion of the RCP and what we need to accomplish with that. But I would welcome any comments in general concerning the Resilient Communities Program grant. Is Mr. Manic's going to be there, the session? I have not talked directly to Mr. Manic's now. Yes. Perfect. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions, comments, concerns from the court considering RCP? Hearing none. We will move on to the Methusel of the grants CDBG-MIT. We were going on year 800 of the CDBG-MIT. I say that. I should not say it that way. the longstanding CDBG, I say that I should not say it that way, planner. The longstanding CDBG met grant for Quail County under the flood events for 2015 and 16. I have not seen any updated correspondence other than the last one we had responded to the last round of RFIs, quest for information back in December, November, December. And the correspondence that said that they were satisfied with the answers given in those request for information. Mr. Belt, have you heard anything in addition to that last? So since December 2nd, Judge, and when they sent back any more saying that they had received all the answers to all their questions, they would reach out if they had any more questions. They have not reached out for any more questions. Miss Finney reached out to them on December 16th and asked when we might expect an answer. And we were told the application is pending final review. We will reach out if anything additional is needed on December 17th. So the end up on Monday, January 13th. Miss Penny reached out to them yet again, and said, good morning following up on this request. Thank you. And she has received those yesterday. She received them responses. Yeah. Okay. So I don't know what you're going on. So the problem is a bit of transition period. breath. Any, and thank you, let update on that. Any questions, comments, concerns from the court considering the CDBG met grant from the flood events of 1516. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. Here we are. I believe we're still putting the, I forget the acronym there, but the packaging of the projects together for submission. Is that is that correct? Mr. Laiton? Yeah, which they gave us a new key, MG on degree and they got an email yesterday. Mark's not gonna be with him no worries, I'm gonna mount somewhere else, so we're getting another round of people out there. So, the email, Limer, you know, we're supposed to meet in the future. They have an attempt to last couple of team meetings about some things. So, started inputting stuff. I don't know what's actually been getting input into the grants for them. We've been having our meetings and setting on our information and slowly re-bonding on our side. So we did. I have about there. We got our into the grants for them, and we're gonna start just him, things like that, our sales are gonna just kind of mask out the bunch of pictures and stuff in there. So let's start moving them all on the little. Okay. All right, I did receive an email and I'd reached out to Langford. Now, close the loop on them about submission of pay account information. I had not submitted that and I wasn't sure if Langford did, but we'll get that because I think the big one at this point is the Cata and cat be funding to be able to get those submitted and get the reimbursement into our culpers. Because I don't think there's any question on that. I think it's just a matter of have we submitted the right paperwork to get that get that action taken? I think there's one so. EDI, I came from the acronym, questions to have to be answered that have to be done so. Okay. But we were supposed to be, who's the that they canceled that thing? We don't have a PDMG anymore. Sorry. Revolving the word. I think you're actually, because we don't have a PDMG anymore. Sorry. The revolving door. The revolving door. Well, I appreciate your continued efforts and diligence on that. I mean, it's obviously it's going to be a pretty protracted endeavor. But I certainly worthwhile. Certainly worthwhile. Any questions, comments, concerns from the court, concerned, DR 4780. Hearing none, are there any other grant opportunities, grant applications that the court, which is to discuss at this time. Green none. We'll move on to item number eight on the agenda, which is an update on construction projects, and I'll turn that over to Commissioner Wettel and Commissioner Bashall. Yep, back this time. So we did a punch list walk through Commissioner Matthews joined us because I knew he had experience with a punch list. Didn't include Commissioner Taylor only because we just too many people probably would have been two months. But we spent several hours walking through that building and putting a little blue tape anywhere and everywhere. So they're working on that punch list. Substantial completion was presented on January 7th. So technically we're I guess going to be taking possession here very shortly and moving our insurance over. The data contractor started yesterday. Their projected completion date is January 31st or phase two. So they'll have all the terminations and everything. We will talk about ISP provider in the next section. And trust me, we've got a little bit. One of the things I realized was I need to probably contact a vested to get the phones moved open. I don't know what really is involved in that, but you know, each department already has their existing phones. So we'll have to figure out how to move those over. I know the individual departments are already talking to the copier folks, the recodes, to get those moved over. Do you mind if I address the phones? Sure. It's very simple. Those are programmed phones. They're plug and play. So they take them from where they are right now and plug them into an active Internet port and they operate nothing no no numbers no or everything It I mean you can literally plug it into anywhere that has a cat five connection so, I mean, it may be worthy to contact bested, and I'm gonna be driving several in case there were an issue, but there should be, I mean, they're designed as programmed phones, extensions, everything that's in it is self-contained, it is nothing more than you plug it into the new Jack and it should operate. Okay and I don't yeah I don't we'll take a look at it. I don't see any additional phones that will be needed but I'll kind of came this through and make sure we're not. I need to talk to the attorneys I guess and the judges or do we need one in the conference room? That kind of, a couple of little additional that we've never had before. Owner's training is on January 6th at 10 a.m. Security training is on January 17th at 1 p.m. And then of course we have the ribbon cutting open house on January 16th from 3 to 6. Buttercomb secured, traveling tom's coffee truck out of Waco. So they're going to, you'll come and that is sponsored by Butler Cone so they'll have coffee, hot chocolate, cider, danishes, collaches, you know kind of finger food stuff there. Matt Dossie is going to give us this is kind of a little quick timeline. Matt Dossie is going to give the opening prayer and the blessing of the building. We'll have a flag presentation by the Sheriff's Department. Then we will have opening comments. We're going to have a podium. Have it had a chance? Is there who wants to speak at that? Anybody on the court? Okay, I'll do the opening comments. The thank yous kind of a little quick update. Then we will have a ribbon cutting. And then we will open up the courthouse for. Yeah, people just basically go in and view it. There will be no food or drink allowed. That'll be the only really stipulation is, even though we'll be serving coffee and food outside. It's in courtroom. It's a building. So the standard operating procedure will court will be no guns, no knives, no mace, no food, no drink, or use of tobacco products. All the rules will apply as if it was a functioning courtroom. I send invitations out to all the elected officials. I believe everybody got those. In a nutshell, I said it's your pleasure of who you allow to attend during the working hours, but one of the reasons I extended it from five to six was to allow any, any employee that can't get off during normal working hours, be able to come and view it. And I just would certainly encourage, as you talk to all the other departments guys, encourage them, because this probably be the one time that they'll be able to just come in and, you know, really walk about and see the place. I also send it to all the contacts that I had in my list. I think I had over 50 or so individuals, people, HVLC, Cardsco, Cardsco, Cardsco, Mayors, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, uh, HVLCity Council, Coppersco City Council, uh, mayors, fire, apartments, um, but as I put in my email, you know, to you guys, personally, the court, please, you'll get on the phone, get on email, get on text, and invite as many people as you can to come out and just, uh, and see it. Copper's Cove, Leader Press and the Gatesville Messenger, I don't know if you guys saw that, they did it a little right up this weekend. Talking about the open house, inviting the the public to join us. And I think that's it. Other than we will be talking about the ISP, this has been a, let's just say it's been a real adventure trying to get a hold of bright speed and get the right people. Let's just say I went from India to Ohio and North Carolina, to California. Finally ended up in the right spot. But I did garner some great information because I really don't know if anybody knew that we actually have an account manager and we have a customer service rep. In fact, that group is brand new. And anybody know who Jay Blanchard is? John Blanchard. John Blanchard, that was the contact they had for us. So they had two contacts. I was like, I have no idea who you're talking about. So there hasn't been a lot of interaction with I guess, you know, that, you know, corporation, but we do have multiple accounts throughout the county. And let's just say it was very interesting. I don't think I finally had it. That's all I have, Judge. Thank you for the update. As Butler come in our last meeting in December, we have proved a draft for the phase two. Were they going to update that and get a copy to be executed of that contract? That was a change order, under, I guess, I'll double check. But yeah, we've already executed it. The way I understood it is all the change orders have kind of gone into the little file. But I can get that from the minute to the. Well, I mean, it was listed as draft on there. And I just wanted to make sure that we had a documentation correct. OK. Yeah, the way the PCOs normally were, that was a PCO possible change order than they can go to a change order. We review it. So yes, I'll make sure that we get a sign to copy back. Because the whole team, Sean Butler signs it, they'll pop up on your signs and then Commissioner of Ashman, I both signed up to execute it. Okay. I'll hold other comments. Anything else to discuss under update of construction projects. Here you are. Item number nine, which is to consider actions on items to support construction projects. I believe commissioner weddle you have something that you'd like to address with the court under that? Yes, sir. I kind of gave you guys the preview that trust me, that was only a small preview of what it took to get a home to this in Brightfield. I will say that I found an angel in Ohio that took me under her wing and kind of guided me through the process. I also apologize those that were here early. I hate when stuff is presented to the court at the last minute, but I literally got this yesterday, late afternoon. We finalized all of this. I think Mr. Belk and a test, this is unfortunately a pretty standard contract form. With an internet provider, we have multiple contracts with them currently. This in a nutshell, this is a 36 month or three year contract. They build in the cost and equipment, you know, who do the install based in it. So it's really kind of like a little finance plan. And no, I don't know what the rate is going to be after the 36 months because they probably don't know. And I've probably got later on, but for expeditious purposes, you will notice that, I'm listed as the primary contact, technical contact, billing contact, and local on-site contact, and I certainly don't wanna be those four. So we will determine who will get plugged in that, but I want to get this presented to the court today to hopefully we can approve it and move forward with those folks. Mr. Wood, are we currently operating under a pretty broad contract with F8 for a portion of our internet services? I think they're tied. Mr. Bell, can you help me refresh my memory? I thought that there was a point about two years ago where they went out and they we used them as a maybe as a contractor, if you will, to secure upgraded internet speeds greater than what bright speed was offering us at that time. Is that built into their current? I think so and it was supposed to be branched off into, or I thought there was previous connections that would have branched it off into other buildings. Now, the Internet service comes into this building, the fire drop that was previously installed here years ago. There was a negotiation a couple of years ago to redo that, reevaluate that, upgrade it, connect it into this building. This is where all the Internet, for all the offices around the square, besides the Sheriff's Department, comes in now and then from here it is remote connected to the A's office, the courthouse, juvenile probation in my office. We all operate off of the five certain surveillance, this building. That I thought it built through the room. I'm change. Congrats. Yeah. Yes. It's okay. So then that changed the brought speed. OK. I wasn't part of any of that. But I think we paid that bill directly to brought speed now for the Internet service. If it was contracted to do the work to connect it up, which is put all put all over the tunnel to connect through the end of the room. And tennis to connect the shooter across the world. Bridges, like so they call them sometimes like. My bridge was fried recently by Stone. And we had replaced one of the bellguards, courthouse and shoots go to the mall just. I don't hate to pay the only thing we're paying to have a present being to regard to internet is going to be whatever reader card by the data center for. And I think it's just all part of the deal with the date center. Yeah, for their management of the RDS system, I think, and the. Yeah. And so I don't think we're paying. If they directly or through a phase in any internet provider besides whatever bandwidth you're having to pay the data center for because there are some relocation bandwidth and in rack space and power that will be paying by the megabyte through the the center in that monthly bill. It would be a no direct in and I have service. That I just was based upon the recommendation of. and don't have a, then we do. I'm not questioning that. What I was asking is, you know, I don't review every contract on a weekly, monthly, daily basis. I wasn't sure what our agreements were because I believe F8 is the one that's located with Lumen. They were going out there acting on our behalf to find. I didn't know how we had Ultimately structured that that's all I was asking The year I have At least point That's not currently what's going on, don't know what our options are. At this point, on the ground, in our yard, to this by internet drop. We sound a contract on this one. Much like this contract, where the connectivity expenses build in to the monthly fees just like this one. And I don't know when we can switch this over. You know, get rid of this one basically. And just pay that one down there and turn all the incentives around and shoot everything back this way. And just pay one of these instead of two of these. Because we we don't need the one-up. Correct. And I don't know exactly what the point is from backup internet for the building down here. Now, I know there was a plan of the two fiber drops into that building for backup purposes. And so I suspect that at some point we'll be seeing another one of that that other that backup that's coming off the other corner of property. And I don't know. I don't know what we're how or what we need to do to work with negotiate with deal with broad speed on getting this. It'll be a while for ready to cut this for loops. So I mean, I'm going to go to the gym, I'm going to go to the gym, I think it's a tiny day out of discussion, probably with Brought Speed. I don't know my plan initially was to try to have that meet, but for somebody to have that. It made to us plan on having that discussion with Brought Speed about cutting the slew and transition in down there and getting all that connected up and Transitioning all over and then letting us to shoot that away and you know getting the fighters Hard-fibre run can I build the end so we connect them up so they won't be running on a bridge to improve their service Should I'm instantly reduced the amount of time that they're down because they want more about their bridge getting knocked out by mine But it doesn't have very often, but then they never need to happen to share this office if we keep running so But I'm not tired of everything so I'm doing best. I can't what I got They're here I mean, and that really kind of highlights the point of where I'm trying to get can't what I got. They're here. I mean, and that really kind of highlights the point of where I'm trying to get at, you know, and can you show I appreciate the good work. I mean, but trying to tie the pieces together that mine is the sheriff's office is kind of on their own bill right now. I mean, for the internet. So, and so with the new coming in, my understanding was that design plan was such that the sheriff's office was running, had the capability, not that we're there yet, but has the capability to run off of this central IT room. And then it becomes, you know, how much, at least from an internet standpoint, does that IT room then support the same buildings that this building is currently supporting so that we can get to the point of paying one, you know, link, you know, with redundancy. There's got to, you know, but that second redundancy built in, but there's a smooth transition from terminating here, picking up, well, establishing in the new annex, establishing the sheriff's office because I believe that that would be priority number two, and then priority number three is then transitioning all of the connections here to that new so that we could then cut this off. There were which I've been working for this. And FAs weren't really supposed to right now to move, you know, cut the JB's offices loose from there out now and move them and cut the 440th loose from there out now and move them. I'm not getting yet, you know, I'm seeing Jeff, so they're doing your will. And they, I think it would be two different pieces of that as we talked before about replacing some of those computers that I've talked about before. They're moving open computers. They're going to have to replace the next 12-15 month. Even if I haven't seen that yet, they'll be able to see the seniors, you'll see it. But I think what they're going to do, they don't mean to expect on the new days timing materials because it's kind of hard to, they just have to put a on it, they're going to make sure the health is at hand. So I expect to see that on the move. And you know from them, we've all heard them, so after knowing they have some questions about the, not that. We should pick up an immediate cost savings on the JP's. I don't know about 40, are they on the bridge from here? Okay, so JP's had their own, I think it was 50 $4. Okay, so with the contract that's been presented here is $9.95. So please help me because I couldn't and just glancing through it. Is that yearly monthly, weekly, hourly? That is monthly. That is monthly. and in a very loose FA went went out and canvassed the other provider and they were the more it's. They couldn't offer the same bandwidth and so he was there problem but price wise they were very close to. So we were facing that when we we engage the other guy. It's a semi-monopoly. And this is a three-year contract? Correct. 35,920. Yeah, correct. And roughly. Yeah, just ballpark roughly. Okay, okay. So, but are roughly either one works good, because Bob Miller used to say at about 653 in the morning. You know, well, it's a whole other, how James WBAP comment or discussion. About all the fighting part over, I think that means what I was was expecting. That's what I was expecting. Um, I was about to see you here. How much is good for what else have you got? Yeah, I would say we've got a 12, 79, 35. The, um, how do you know, I'm, Mr. Matthews, do you know who the 281 is on I think that's chair. I believe I Would do it to check in yeah, okay Yeah, sure so we have the point that we were on previously the data Yeah, we're about 30 and down That's about what it calls the money. So I'm going to tell you this. Does anybody know the plan that this building is currently on is in under a extended contract? Yes, there is. I'm going to kind of get this month like recollection, come on discussion with, that's taken a while back when we're having the discussion about trying to transition this, they were, that was part of the discussion is we would have to see how much money they had built in that for the, the expense of connected, this you know, they appropriate that out, that out over that salary come up with your monthly rate. And see if we could, you know, we just share a deal with them. Say, okay, you know, we've been, you know, we've got 36 month contract, we've done 28 months of it. You've got all your money back on the steel and we've got a new contract, y'all down here, y'all took about by the service. You know, how about we just pay y'all out this, you know, $800, $47, Joe got left and y'all's expense and we would want instead of paying out, you know, every month with contract, it's $12, I'm saying $9 or whatever it is. But we have not had that discussion with Brock State. And I don you remember the fact that the title of this agreement, but I know it can really be much like this. Good news is. I now have the contacts that are responsible for all of that. Yeah, I talked to George from Texas yesterday. He just didn't tell me where in Texas. Let me, I don't really I've ever been, you know, I was talking to an automated attendant at first. And all I kept saying was customer service. And they'd say, we need a little more information. How can we further help you customer service? I must have said 13 times before it finally went, oh, I'll pass it to you because duty customer service. I mean, it's, but now I have direct line numbers to our account manager and customer service rep. They are more than willing to come in and work with us, help us make presentations and solidate all all that you have done. Did they give you an idea of how, what's the timeline? I know what you're going to know. I mean, the step one. Judges, I could probably talk about this for an hour and Mr. Belknows and Mr. Patrick knows how long we we've been trying to move towards this. We have a local engineer or bright speed that Butler Cohn has been engaged with. He was the one that kind of talked about where to put the conduits and identifying the fibers. He's been sitting there doing this waiting for this contract slash work order. And over 10, 12 days ago, I thought I had entered into this with some guy in India. And that's when I finally started going back in the only Indian Ohio, man, I don't know, so they're kind of appalled what happened. You know, they felt very, very bad. This guy accepted all my information and nothing ever happened. But I know that they understand what we're up against. And I think we will be able to expedite a bank, no telling until they get a signed contract. And then a sign of I mean, I think one of the things that's key to this, and just my very humble opinion, is that transition between the account that we have coming to this building versus the account coming to that new building. And even if this price quote were to get revised based off of what we would owe residual on the contract. I mean, we're talking several thousand dollars, I think, you know, in that overlapped period. And I was asking the timing of it is, you know, if we were to to reassess this contract at a special meeting or no later than our next meeting. Does that impact, you know, the timeline of being able to occupy the building because again, well, the building being functional because I mean, I know we could occupy it, but until this piece is done, the building really had a function. And so from my standpoint, I'm trying to weigh where we are. Do you have any idea of what that looks like? I think you said it would greatly impede our progress to get in that building and start functioning. Think Mr. Belt kind of alluded that it's probably a 90 day, you know, that'd be a 90 day process for us to even determine about this transition. If we still have, we'd have still put up the power down at the parking lot that we prepared for. So that's another, you know, going back to that original conversation., we had a very loose plan, grandeur of having this full blown data center and then it was turned around and then I was given the task to get internet into this building so that we can have a functioning building at the first of February. So that's what this contract does. It gets us internet into the building. So if we execute this contract, they've said that they can have internet connected no later than one February. They've not said that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, until the engineer looks at it and their work crews and their work loads, but I do think that I've got the right people that are going to help me expedite them. Okay, so we don't know when... All right. There might be something in the fine lines that say if they have a maximum time that they can, you know, allow. I know every single person in our, in this group has signed these type of contract without reading one through 45 clauses when it comes to internet, telephone. Hi, I'll there's back out. Don't talk to out. Yeah. You don't know how long I'm going to tell you this can take. It should. Yeah. In do our best to get special treatment. We're gonna be saying. Yes. And I think my side of the sob story already started itself. The big advantage we have is the conduit's already there. Well, I don't know that we've got much of an option. I'd make much into a the contract with Brad's feet and Brad's feet. We've got a motion to approve the contract with Brad's feet and commissional well. I mean I'm sorry commissioner Atty not not and a second from Commissioner Taylor. Any further discussion considering the contract that's been presented under item number nine for actions to support construction projects? I had one new accident who's gonna sign it. I'll sign it. Okay, part of that. If I can clean our nassar. Yes, very good cut. then you want you to submit. I can get a copy back immediately. Absolutely. I'll add to our contact in the clock will start to. Absolutely. There. I'm sorry. Okay. Thank you. Okay. God. We got a prince of small. Yes. Okay. So we've got a in a second. Any further discussion under item number nine. Anything else to consider under item number nine? I'm sorry. Hearing none. All those in favor say hi. Hi. All those in public. They know I just have motion carries. I have a 1004 as I previously expressed to the court. We have a phone call set up with the council legal counsel. So at this time. We will move to item number 17. and 18. So to Texas government code section 551.071. The commissioners court will conduct a closed meeting to consult with the county attorney regarding pending litigation and a matter of subject to attorney client confidentiality to include but not limited to that case of county of courier versus Purdue forma at all in in the 150th Second District Court of Harris County as well as pursuant to Texas government code section 551.072 commissioners court will conduct a closed meeting to conduct deliberations regarding the purchase exchange lease or value of real property. There are two items to be considered after that, which will list it on the agenda. I won't read those, but those will be items 19 and 20. At the conclusion of the executive session, the commissioners court will pick up in sequential with item number 10. So at this time, We are in recess. We will reconvene at 1010 in the front conference room. We're in recess. We thank you all. Okay, I've got 1133. We'll reconvene in open session picking up with item number 10 on the agenda, which is the considerably approval of the bond of the county attorney brand and developed. We've got a motion to approve from Commissioner Matthews and second from Commissioner Bashon. Many further discussion on item number 10. Here you know and all those they were say aye all those both say no. I just have motion carries item number 11 is to consider a budget budget amendment number three for FY 2025. Mr. Wood had prepared that and submitted that in your packets. I'm going to do to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. from Commissioner Matt, you second from Commissioner Taylor, any further discussion on item number 11. Hearing none, all those flavors say aye. All those opposed they know. I just have it motion carries item number 12 is to consider the employee handbook commissioner Matthews. Well, and most people in jail last night this morning, well, that's the two people just have any or you. I would ask that the move is to whatever date is the next. I know we've got that discussion coming up. So I would ask it's be able to move to the next. Motion to table item number 12 as an action item until our next regular meeting. Okay, next regular meeting from Commissioner Matthews and a second from Commissioner Basham. Any further discussion on item number 12? Hearing none, all those flavors say aye. All those opposed say no. I as have it motion carries. Item number 12, or I'm sorry, item number 13 on the agenda is to consider rescheduling the January 28th Commission's court meeting to January 27th, 2025. Attack has their county government legislative day on January 28th. I would like to attend that given that some of the items that the legislature is considering. So I'm asking for the courts and doges. And you're all welcome to. I mean, it's not limited to any particular sector. But I would ask the courts and doges to move our next regular meeting from the 28th to January 27th. Don't notify. Yeah, that's the regular same regular time just from Tuesday to Monday. I'm maybe I want to play on the So you made motion? Yeah. Okay. Motion from Commissioner Basham to make that. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I was having motion carries. Item number 14 is to pay bills. We've got bills presented in the amount of 1 million 507,635 dollars and 7 cents. Got a motion to pay the bills from Commissioner Matthews second from Commissioner Taylor any further discussion on item number 14. very none all those in favor say aye all those opposed to no just have motion carries. We will pick up with item number 19, which is to discuss utilization of office space for the property located at 809 South Main Street in Coffers, Cove, Texas, 76522. Commissioner Welle, you had requested this particular item. In light of our... and executive session, I think that would not be appropriate to discuss it this time, so I'd say we table that. Motion to table. Okay. We've got a motion to table out of number 19 from Commissioner Wettel, second form Commissioner Matthews, any further discussion on item number 19. Very none all those in favor say aye. All those opposed say no. I's have it motion carries. Item number 20 on the agenda is to consider approving a resolution declaring the intent to reimbursed certain expenses of the Resolution has been presented to you that would authorize the county. Should it choose to? It is not obligating anything, but should it choose to, at a future date, to reimburse expenses associated with the procurement of a county administrative and operational purposes and for the professional services rendered in support of such acquisition. Emotion from Commissioner Vashin to approve a resolution expressing the attempt to finance expenditures to be incurred by Coriola County, Texas. Second. And the second from Commissioner Wettel, is there any further discussion for purposes and those that are in attendance both in person and by zoom the resolution identifies that the expenses are not to exceed $750,000. I promise I died. And I'm the one that even typed it. Thank you for the correction. So the expenditures not to exceed 650,000. There's a motion at a second any further discussion on item number 20. Here you know in all those in favor say I all those posts they know. I just have motion carries. We will move to reports commissioner Matthews. Well, we had another great year. You better have a bunch of kids, kids, and a great show. And that was the seniors this year. You know, really good answer. It's like that. I think it was. And one cheap. And one cheap. And one cheap. You come back in, but it's not out of the range. One? I don't want to say anything. Right. Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Wettel. It's a reiterate. Open house. Third day. So. I'll be on time and let's get this things. How do you look at the mail? How was never was never not a fine of the life. No. Oh, you opened it up. I said, yesterday, I said, Hey, we got the open house and take a win. Is that? Sorry. Yes, Thursday, three or five. And I was in full with a little late. Just in hopefully, at least you're the guys can make an appearance there to be great, I think. And they had certainly grew that did quite a bit of work on it. It would be nice. Yeah, I think it would be a great. There might be a recognition or a thank you in the comments you put them. They'll call me.'ve talked about my name. I have an ex-holster. I think. I think so. I said, commissioners, you're right. Again, another good. You've spared a fair more paper. Yonder, next job. Needless good luck kids. Talk to the patient. Yeah, you need to get ready for open house. Hopefully we're going to try out for everybody. This is a first new construction, Royal canis is not in 1991. I was a junior in Haskell overnight to a place. And, uh, Priper Ryan. So, yeah. Very good. Thank you. Uh, Commissioner Taylor. I like that. I like that. I like that. Everything. Yeah. that's all good. You're good. Thank you. Commissioner Taylor. I like that. It was covered everything. Yeah. Back to cleanup. It was not a good position to be in when it comes to the parts. I'm nothing. I need to get. Okay. There you go. I don't think. Thank you. You're going to sponsor the wild. big chase. It's a fair. You need to be involved in it. Hmm. Let's share a little bit. Yeah, we have a lot of work here. You're a big and very great. So, hmm. I could have some health cases. And once you got out, I got a little bit of your good. Hmm. I know I had good hands. That's be very good. I know I had a good hand to come to someone. Uh-huh. If you could. For help. That's a very interesting comment. Commissioner Taylor. You know, very deep seated. Very little. They were. Very entertaining. At one four child, he just had a panic. I wonder if at the middle of the ring. It's a lot of, it's a middle of the green thing, it's not a good place to walk up. You know, 15, 20 other kids running chasing wild little wild beings. It's a different someone. You're standing at the big, you're going to get wild. when I appreciate you using the most professional etiquette and not identifying anybody in particular. I can. I mean, no, no, I think it was, it was, it was very professional of you just to make an observation without throwing anybody under the bus. Wasn't me. Now, I'll echo this sentence that you know, our youth fair board, all those 4H programs. Arguably, and I'm biased, it's probably one'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. I'm very proud of that. had a really good opportunity to speak with the Morris Foundation this past Saturday morning. It's a group of retired teachers. They're very interested in our Quail County history and ongoing processes that we've got to take care of our historic courthouse. We have one item scheduled for this afternoon, being a workshop, discuss the land use plan and actions necessary to update or revise the county subdivision regulations as it's been expressed. That would be a key piece before we can actually adopt a land use plan is to get the subdivision regulations updated adjustments made and probably some homework that's going to have to go into coming up with some of the information that will need to put into that subdivision regulation. So with that that concludes the regular business of the court as of right now we will be in recess until 1.30 p.m. which time we will reconvene to pick up with item number 21 on the agenda. We're in recess. Okay, I've got 148. We'll reconvene this regular meeting of the FOIA Public Relations Court at this time noting that all members of the Court are present picking up with item number 21 on our agenda, which is a workshop to discuss. We're going to have a discussion on land use plan and actions necessary to update and or revise the county subdivisions regulations. We got miss Brook Thompson with MRB, who is our vendor for the development of the land use plan with us and Brook, can you hear me? Yes, sir, sorry I was muted. Oh no, no, you're fine, you're fine. How are you doing today? I'm good, how are you? I'm doing well, I'm doing well, thank you. I think we're all kind of, or at least we have some understanding of what the intent of the workshop is and we want to make sure that we've covered everything. So what I'm going to do is just kind of turn it over to you that you kind of lead us along of what information do we need to compile, how do we need to do that and what process we need to develop to be able to get the subdivision regulation rewritten adopted so that then we can move forward with the land use plan. Is that the correct sequence? Yes, sir. So I know you have your current subdivision regulations. And so basically with this, anything that you the court feels like needs to be changed or maybe a little more stringent or a little more laxed because I know with counties you know there's only so much you can do. And so I had spoke with is Mr. Belt is he there as well? He is with us just ma'am. Okay we spoke before on the few things that the county could do and so he had that laid out and so basically we were just wanted to review the items that he had listed and I was trying to pull up the list are so my apologies that he had listed for you all to review and just kind of go through and see if those are some things that you wanted to entertain along with that that, we had looked at the floodplain, your floodplain ordinance as well. I know we're not talking about that right now, but I do wanted to put it on your radar that we were reviewing your floodplain ordinance and we do have a certified floodplain manager who reviewed it and basically he was gonna go line by line, but he was good with it based on what we've seen other entities that they have kind of in place right now. But if there was anything that you all wanted to review with that, I wanted to put it on your radar because we will need to incorporate that into the lane use plan as well. Okay, very good. Mr. Bell taking the stand in the dark is this the document that we afforded to them. The. Okay. Yeah, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, that's just pretending to be, can't hear anything he's saying. We just want to make sure that you'd mentioned, you know, a document that had been and we've got a copy of a document in front of us and I want to make sure that we're we're following along with the same document. Yes sir. And so that that being the case is the document that you're referencing title at the head of it things that need to be addressed in subdivision regulations. We very first one noted as single tracks, the ones we do exceptions for. Is that? Yes. Okay. All right. Well, I think that's probably about as good a place to start as any for our purposes. Do we want to just run down this list, review this. Okay. Okay. So, Mr. Manic, I'm going to put you on the spot here on several these. So like when we talk about single tracks, the ones we do exceptions for, what are we trying to identify there? Uh, an easier way to handle those. Uh, work is told me to check with uh, Her rickers like co, Lanko County subdivision rules and they kind of got a neat little way of addressing that. They actually got a form of appendix that they have to fill out for them and saving a reason why they're having a burn exception. Not sometimes out 10 is just a family land that they're just trying to get rid of the house keeps land. they don't need house, they're just trying to block off family land, and so I'll just house a little bit of anger that I have to bring for you all, have you all vote on it. And, but like those counties got a little more gone I think the work took a little. They do always blame it and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I don't want that something that you all are interested in, but let me sign. Like it may be easier. Yes. Yes. Narrowing down in some of the yes. Knees it. Yeah. You want a lot of time? Bro, can you hear them? Very little. I can hear a little bit, but some sounds mumble. Move your table up. It's a little bit. You're going to have a big part of this. Awesome. Thank you. I've got people kind of moved up there now. I don't know if I'll have to. I don't know. Now you're in a lot of fire. I don't know a bit of I like this. We can we can make it work. Well, a lot of times people don't understand the variants of your grind granted for certain reason and something areas have an appendice like that's probably going to help them look at that. Do there are reasons for variances? Okay so some work what we're kind of doing we've talked through is the example that Blanco County has for handling single tracks so that we can keep this kind of fluid or moving. I don't think the court has any issues with adopting something similar to what Blanco County has. Is that to address that? Okay, so I think we've got the first one taking care of. Then we're jumping to clean up the bonding requirements to include the cost for utilities. And then that would be referenced in chapter nine of the of our current subdivision regulation. Do we need to add something in there? Regarding HOA to go to APOAs. What's process are for relinquishing in bonds and what time frame? Because we don't have that in our current due. We just want to come to our system. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of bonding issues that need to be addressed probably. I put on there the cost of utilities, cause I don't know what the utility companies require from the developers to guarantee that the product or these property owners are gonna get the services they were promised according to the plan. Currently we just take the cost of the road, but you know, it'd be a big expense to if the developer just had to just walk out and not provide power to that subdivision. And so I don't know if that's something that we need to worry with it or. It's just like you haven't got water too. Yes, yes. That's not going out there. That's there probably. Yeah, which I don't have power yet. As far as well water issue, Bunko kind of they put it directly on the plant that whoever buys this law has to they know for sure that and they require that the sellers give them this piece of paper stating that they can drill that the well has they have to drill well to give water coming up and so it's not a it's not like some sales representative telling them not mentioning it to them you know and then all said knows they bought the track land they're like oh how do I get my water you know and it's it's stated that the sales representative has to give it the way I understood it anyway I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah, probably so. Yeah. Well, I don't think so. I don't think the same. Nothing. Not the level. Yeah. All right. So with respect to specifically the bonds. So I don't know if you all want to try to include the utility cost or not in the bond. Like I said, I don't know how the utility can be. They may require a bond. I don't know. I don't know, I just... And I'm this just talking because I don't know. And Brooke, if you've got some insight into this, I'd appreciate it Mr. Belt as well. All right, so the county is not a utility provider. No, I don't know that we can levy a bond amount against a developer when we don't have the means to do those things. And you know, we're not a, we don't provide water services. We don't have control over any CCN. So my question is, work, if you've got any any knowledge or insight on the whether we could. Levy a bond against. I was looking, I was looking up to see if that was something that can be done for a county. you have any insight on it? I mean, I was very very sorry, I was very sorry. I was very sorry. I was very sorry. I was very. Sometimes it's not. Yeah, we should be good. They changed some of those so much stuff. I think blank the values. Hit the mother. Stop. Yeah. Well, one reason I don't know. not on now. Oh, he's couldn't all our list is because we had a subdivision come in. The roads were finished. I still haven't gotten electricity. One is in powerful. So, you know, you know, you know, you know, it hasn't had to release bond and. Knowing that they've told the landowners that there was going to be electricity available. give them all the, he actually made it better. And so here we have improvement based on utilities coming into it for residential use. You know, it is one of the criteria we have proven they've planned for. Where's water coming from? Well, the utility company shouldn't sign the thing saying that they're going to provide service to it until they have proper arrangements made to provide that service. It is they do sign on it. Not having that deal made. But as you all know, everything doesn't go as I was supposed to. It's y'all's fault. Which outcome? Maybe y'all's fault. Yeah, maybe they are. I'm not're purchasing rural property, regardless of the size of it. That is, that's just part of it. And then they won't look what digs you. That's Kelly Ball., the statute says it is being an amount determined by the commissioner's court to be adequate to ensure proper construction of the roads and streets and drainage requirements for the subdivision, but not to exceed the estimated cost of construction of the road streets and drainage requirements. That is, low government code 232.004, bond requirements. Very clear. I don't think you can go to the tillings. So one of the calculations that you've had is, and I don't find any legal basis for this, but maybe you know, we've got a lawyer that on retired, it specializes in these kind of claims. I'm usually certainly asked, but one of the things that I've heard that government-owned entities are doing is they want to prove the flat deal all that's in place So all the water lines are run all the stuff's out spun all the car pose room flights everything's done. They won't prove the flat I don't see any legal basis for that, but I sure like it. I could be wrong. I mean, I certainly could be there could be be a case out there. There could be a statute somewhere that I hadn't found. That name. I don't know. What Mr. Belt, I'm going to pull one from kind of a coppers code technique is they will approve the plat. But they won't allow the plat to be filed until such time that all of the infrastructure is complete. So if that were the case, we could still approve it and meet the time requirements for 232, yet not accept it to be filed because it would need to be filed before they could then have land transactions. I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not saying that I am not land transactions. Does that, and I'm not saying that that's specified that way in the statute, when trying to say how can we kind of protect the buyer without overstepping our bounds with respect to the state statute? See, at that point, they don't even mess with the bonds, because they know nothing's going to happen until it's probed by them. I said, oh, the cactus down there. They did that when they didn't have a bond on them. They said, a standard for them. And they'll have a bond because they don't. And I can see that. I think where the bond helps of bond because I don't. And I can see that I think where the bond helps protect us and where I think the value in it is, you know, well, I believe we've had at least one recently that exceeded the amount of time that they were going to take to finish their roads. There's more and more and more. Well, I'm just trying to, I'm trying to. I find something in the county statutes, regarding the approval of plants that would allow the county to hold a plant that was approved by the commissioners for from being filed in the detainters. And the completion of anything there's no provision in here that allows that in the local government code chapters that deal with counties. There may be one as far as deals with cities the cities are different than counties but and maybe there's one somewhere hidden in the regulations that apply to all jurisdictions equally because there is a provision, there is a section in the law for that that applies equally, but there's nothing that I know of. And if I was a voter for a proper scope, I had filed a complaint and it had been approved by the whoever, and they refused to file it in the de-grakers and I wanted them to. I'm afraid they would lose. Distance bit balls. I'm trying to, you know, I mean, you've heard about that for, I just can't find it. That's a question for Mr. Bass. Is there any permission that would allow the county to hold a approved flat? In the We make no days we had an opportunity process. We have a preliminary plan and a final plan and we did things totally different than we do now. They are and there's no provision in the law for that whatsoever. In the scene I have looked at that. There is no provision for that. They are still operating. That's what I can tell them the old law that I find nobody no legal basis for the way they currently do business. Okay. But I don't care how they do business because I'm not their lawyer and I'm not a voter down there. So, all right. So the question maybe at the bottom. That's simple, but I didn't say that it wasn't provisioned well on that because they avoid these flash sales essentially. Well, there's more legislation out there fixing the health and tracking. I'd say I'll email Yeah. All right. So now I think it's going to be the question to reach out to Mr. Bass about is holding The question to reach out to Mr. Bass about is holding of approved plan. Okay. Anything else on that one? I don't know if it matters, but Glanko County has the cost of the development plus 10% to kind of cover everything. They don't mind that spawn is 25% I don't know if I'm just throwing it out there. I don't know what y'all want, but. It so great. Yeah, absolutely. Well, when you look at the increased costs of materials equipment, things, you know, they think they can fluctuate pretty, pretty dramatically in a short period of time. And, uh, which is like how a creek we were holding a bond and by the time inflation did or not let the COVID process fall to loan was nearly what the bond was. Yeah. So I think I think 10% on construction and 25% on maintenance. Yeah. Make some of this takeoff on that and turn around and use text.cozcubes. That's the R estimate of one of the cost is generated by the engineering and their They're their their engineer I guess. Okay. Anything else in the room? Okay. The size of lots that you can put a duplex on. Well, this is when we've got to be very careful about because we cannot zone. Blanco again, Blanco County, they've got it in here where if you're going to be on water well and OSSF the smallest lot you can can have is by-bakers. Well, they're in a priority-grade water management area and they have a right to be enhanced regulations when we use the groundwater. So this we are too, we can also. But state law, if we've worked in a priority-grade water management area, but not probably allow them. another area that we can regulate that in is on OSSF, or OSSF order, which we need to look at in the one-own-owns process as well, because it has the requirements in our form similar to that. But it makes it with three quarters of item. We have not come in the Christmas Court and amends that order to test the updc and key for review that it can be amended. And that's one of the findings that I don't think would get much put back on in the multi-family building area. If we were to single-family, well, there's no one self-sign. He's probably using the foot slide, increasing the lot size in the assessor for area before and multi-family value. So I'm not sure. It's driving. I can be able to input so I have like a lot of the counties have an three-four-reguine for this time. Um I like this guy with an eye-crow. I mean, but I don't know all the well stuff like her already does. I just that's my opinion. What if the eye-crow? If you're if you're doing well and um septic I believe an eye-crow is the mental If you're doing well and septic, I believe an acre is the mental. If you're doing one or the other, half acres the minimum. But if we are under the priority ground water management designation and And we used that as the basis of establishing in lot size. I'm gonna pour that, because I warned that we had two-acre lots. We had to be very careful about spacing, oil spacing, subc� spacing, and all that. That seemed to have been a battle for some reason. But I'm against the, I'm not against the mimic and what the plant below have been a lot. I mean, I think that's a question we're going to be asked our lawyer as well because. The way that statute reads. It talks about it. It talks about. The The problem of availability of apartments, the apartments in groundwater are the ability study. You can have enhanced requirements in groundwater in the ability study. I don't know where the section is. It says you can change lot sizes based on my recollection of it is that it says if you're in a brewery, We district, or area you can have high requirements for your groundwater available instead. The study, but not the physical size of the lot. Yes, Rick. Could you put something in there? There was a dress, though. Centitation easements in the whales. So we're not happening over the lay of. Even like what happened out there on that one. Yes, I think they had Marty was about that. I think they know we can regard them to show us. Show us where there's room on this platform where you got to lay it out for a house on Wilhelm, and OSSF, and the all-special apartment show us. Because you can have a lot of this big enough, it's not shaped appropriately, and we set back apartments. So we can't regard them to show us that. That's really a land given us much greater about showing us, showing that, because they know I think, you know, they probably called it water and water said, yeah, you're gonna have to do that. Can't do it all in that little box. And I don't think I think you're right. I think we're funny that. Put that in writing in our regulations. So just Christopher, we get that. Yeah, basically just some simple as if they're generating wells and subjects they have the house placement room, setting oil paintings. Yeah, that was, that was where it all went. It was setbacks from property lines, the setbacks from well to well, or assess after wells well, it comes in a sketchy space on a watch's chain to have a good look. And I don't know what our options are as far as working on to do, you know, the shared, they've shared whales instead of everybody doing the whale. Like, I'm living there, I'm living there, and they have one whale curse for two lots, because you know, I'm not living that up north. I'm thinking, those are all subdivisions and a hundred of the education operating in, they have whales their own bot line, their fin and gala. You get up our Northwest Fort Worth, there's no way that all of us have looked and we may have no water re-as all of them there. That's it. Patrick, is that okay? Shall we bring you like them? Bring them in here, is that okay? You see that? Anybody like to drink that in years? I can see that. No, I'm not necessarily. I think a lot of people would consider moving forward would be to have a show of well agreement. That would have to be signed and filed with the right volume legal issue down the road. I've always been legal issue, but at least there's some document that's on the crazy problem. Yeah, I've been going up there in normal associations, and so there are all my interests. It's all regulating from wells to road use and shared space, everybody who is just a big, big and two-way with hundreds of houses. You see them off to the west and you're driving up by 35 out there. There's rooftops. That's me. So that we can give Mr. Bass something to do. Is there a minimum lot size that the court liked entertained? We just in general don't take multi-family out of it. I mean, now it's got to be factored in. But if you said, okay, we don't want lots smaller than x. What is x? I agree with you. I got a copy. I got a copy. I got a copy. I should have said it. I sound like a Thor open to send this for bass, blank goes thing, say take or this to Cori, okay. He drafted his new one, I don't know if it's something that's going to be like, you need to send this for bass, blank, I was saying, take her to this to Coriol County. He drafted it soon, I don't come to find them. Right. But I know, I know of no legal authority of accounting to regulate the law size to three acres or more. Okay. Could that follow up on the'm any known the OSF? I don't know. No, I think a good thing to change your road building brought to area to lots of us make this much for your density as you can drive ways to change the current and good or something like that. And the third bunch of development for smaller lots because of the infrastructure cost. I mean, it's a maintenance nightmare for us. You got a driveway every 100 feet. Yeah, you know, mailbox. You're going down through there. Trying to clean out the toilet room. But I think we got mailbox taken care of. Yeah. Oh, well, sorry. I'm thinking. I know, I know where you're thinking. I know. But when they're did see that close together with the ditch in there like normal kind of road county road A lot of times people don't have anywhere to park so they feel the ditch in but carpagrass all the way out to the payment We're out there taking it back out because of the great in yeah Okay, so that again to give Mr. Bass something to take us on just as a draft, because obviously we need to draft this, get it to him, let him take a review of it and we will highlight all the areas where we've got a lead concern. if we're starting at something, is it agreeable to say two acres is what we would call a minimum? Three? I kind of like the idea of the well at one size and community order, but I mean, next my thought. We're just asking the question that you all have to line up county regulations. So we're let's cover to. I'm not. I mean, it's the same man who picks last these questions to draft those regulations. I'm. Yeah, he grabbed that one. But that necessarily't necessarily mean he has to defend it though. But the man who's got to defend it, you know, sits over there. You read like a... Yes or I have. I've had them for years. It's what I'm fact. And I'm not really bothered about them. Yeah, I have questions about them. But I'm bothered me a bit. I like them. I can't get bothered with it. Apparently they're getting bothered with it. You might not sure how much. I don't know. I guess what it's about them. Like, okay. I don't know. I would think. Well, they rebinders every two years, same time. And why is it one year? What is taking them apart of them? I'm not sure. Yeah. Or they had her too. They love. Okay, so what I'm going to put it, because again, it's going to take us all day if, kind of don't kind of keep moving along, but I've just got lot size, minimum lot size down there. I am 99.99% confident that we cannot make the distinction based off of whether it is multifamily housing or single residential. the OSF side of that will come into play when you talk about the amount of waste that's being generated. So there will be some requirements there as far as does the lot to accommodate, you know, multi-family or not? And again, I'll put Blanco out here as kind of the model on that. Is there, okay, so is there anything else that we need to address on it's for us lots of. Okay, um, one of the things that. And I thought to Patrick about this, and I think of to you all about is having data that we've been in our position. Do what statue says in the water code 35109 water availability. This says the commission's work in about water availability requirements in an area where planning is required. If the court returns the promise are necessary to prevent current or projected water use in the county from exceeding the safe sustainable yield of the county's water supply. So if each one of you is under oath on the stand at a lawsuit which government's city by developer for putting apartments in place. You're gonna be asked the question, Mr. So-and-So, where did you obtain the safe, sustainable yield of the county's water supply problem when we're making this decision? Where did you obtain that information from, Mr. Tyler, to determine the safe sustainable supply of water in Coriokan groundwater? Where did you obtain it? You don't have it, you don't have it, you don't have to, you don't have to have to put what that even missed because I don't need, you know, we got this right up to stuff and what you'll hold to or you judge, I don't know why you're still waiting. I'm not getting on a made banister of asked or what are this court to do, what the report belongs to you. I don't even know why we're here. That's what the. And when I retire, I'm going to start calling developers in Lanko County. I still would pay life in representation to get the panic, Mr. Ford, move forward on some of their developments. They build a little more easy. I don't know. I don't know what you're doing down there. You got any day of lunch, you've got to go to the end, got to lunch information to document the safe, sustainable yield of the county's water supply. But maybe they do, and I just don't know, but I don't know, we don't have it. I know, you make a great point. Right now, we do know, I believe that within 12 to 24 months, we will have a baseline of what that safe, sustainable groundwater availability. Did I get all the right words in there? Yeal. Yeal. 30 Yeal does there. There's lots of words in here. That. No, I mean, words. Yeah. I mean, really because, you know, and we hadn't had Patrick with us in a while but you know Middle Trinity is working Middle Trinity You need a reward from us us essentially shows the makeup for your County that present time and future perhaps you want to know. And I think sustainable yield of your county's water supply. But I don't that means. So I mean I know you have a whole lot closer to tell us what it means and I can but I got my deal of what that is but I can't define it. It saves sustainable yield that the county's water supply. And for how long? Because, you know, the law says a period of time in another section, it says for only years, they must be able to certify that this section doesn't have a number of years in it. So is it the same time frame or in you. And I believe Blackland is part of their piece in that GLO grant. We'll be able to contribute some of that information. I mean, so do we have it today? I guess so are we writing this for today? What we can defend today? Are we writing it towards what we believe will have the ability to defend in 18 to 20 months? We're writing it for today. I kind of want to say good work. I don't know. As you said, now we might not have, I was the most wrong. But I think it's a very good question to ask our lawyer. What do we need to have to spend that? What do you think? You know, which first, what do you think Blanco County has and been their section that puts third in answer requirements in place? What does Blanco County have? Did you think protects them if a lawyer, suzial and says they cannot prove that the Department's necessary to this definition. This big cloud number of 30 species nothing to the developers, development, and large drives. We've seen that. And it didn't nothing to see my joining landowners have. of money for the fall. That's being paid without another subordinate. And us, it was same. Never mind. What can you do with your groundwater availability study? Thinking the considerations over lacking depression kind of looks, one thing is something you have to get back to later, drop the manual, get it in the middle, get it in the middle, get it in the middle, get it in the middle, get it in the considerations of relapsing depression kind of looks, because that's one thing that's not even calculated right now. It's getting a bit of a bigger, a bit of a bigger, they're just calculating the weld studies on the net property in the industry. What does being a PDN, or groundwater, or a problem in the district, in the footbargaging area, to increase the weld studies, increase the area, well, the figuring of the depression columns with under no large. So I think we have enough information right now to defend requiring more test whales, more calculations, more of those kind of things, yes. Okay, we know there are areas that are experiencing different things when we have that data. To require more testing through the physical area that you're putting in someone is not wanting to, you know, sexual situation resistance in drilling two whales and pumping on and testing this woman in the middle of the current on this old suburbation. I think we can defend that because that sounds reasonable. in drilling two wells and pumping them in testing this woman in the middle of the current on this whole sub-mission. I think we can defend that. Does that sound reasonable? Again, they got that in layers to two wells for monitoring and testing of 300 acres. and they extended on past the 2500 feet beyond the property line of the proposed subdivision to see how it's going to affect those out there, supposedly, and how they do it, passing away. Well, if there's a distinct well within that, what's that really worth, they can start to remodern to those. I don't know how you would be test-levels as a property vehicle. I'm having a big test level, so that's the property. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're going to have to tell somebody else really anyway. Well, if it's in this new, uh, new world order coming in, you don't, you don't own there as much of that groundwater. And I was used to plunkey that I think they can probably. Right. Okay. Anything else we need to cover under that? Because I think the overall takeaway that I've got is what information are dated do we need to have to defend enhanced requirements? That would be for water and something. Is that the gist of? Okay. So clean up what's Okay. So clean up what's required for replats. This is 10.1. I'm assuming she's never good, but I'm going to assume. Now based off some of the replats that you brought to us and you asked, you know, hey, what requirements and we determine, does it have any impact on, you know, on an existing roadway and, you know, the notices and that kind of thing. Yes, yes. Okay. The forms notices, but right now you have to do all that. Yeah, and what Brandon said, the cost of sending out notices is way exceeds what we required as far as our fees for a reply. So, okay. So then I think part of that is in our fee schedule, we need to have the wording such that that whatever notice that that is required that the property owner who is filing for the replat would have standard fees plus whatever notification fees would be included in there. So that's a pretty burden off on the reply. I mean, that's using the, the opening soon now certified mail. We'll deal with the couple of nothing required and then I'm certifying mail and bringing the receipts or receiving it then. I mean, I don't care how we, you know, skin the goat, but I mean, the key part of that is we need to be able to cover our costs. Right. And it's not, it's not lose money in providing a service. Well, that way they don't have a leg work and they don't have one of the giant, they're not losing. But in my mind, it becomes, it becomes a little bit of a catch 22 though, because if we're making them do the work and they bring us the receipts and says, hey, this is it. We're going to still have to go back and verify all the property owners and match those receipts up to who those property owners were. Dude did all of them get notified. I mean, because that's our. We have access. I mean, yeah, about. What is the ones you get? That's it. I'm doing that. It's easy to wait. Yes, we're going to have man hours, you know, invested need to minimize around the hour about that process. Providing the last 30 days notified. Even the last they bring you the receipt you verify. Would probably be the sunk level. Let them choose how they want to, certain certifying mail to be called for So we can have language such that they've got to provide notice to individual land owners based off the list that we give them and we do public notice. I'm simply making it. He's like, you're the one who done the last one's for me. I'm assuming that we might or must do it. Make sure you's the right door. If I have to do it, it's going to take me just almost as much time to make sure they did it right as it does when we just did it for sale. Almost. Not quite, but almost. The brand you've say that stuff. It's going to take me twice as long. Yeah. I'm just bad at the things, but I don't want to do it. So, you know what I mean? I'm just a man, you know what? Go. Go of them, if you're on the list. I'm pretty sure about it. 27. Okay, I'm leaving to leave it at, we can, we can hash out the wording and have it get a couple of different options, but one is really providing them a list, leave our fee schedule the same or the other one is we handle it and adjust the fee schedule. All right, next one would be the cleanup to RV park requirements. Yeah, that's mainly through the roads. All these RV parks, they're not wanting to pay the road. And they're RV parks. We've had to come and ask for variance. Yes. I don't know that we need to require them to be paid. But that's why it reads in our regulations right now. And one of those like 90-minute granted variance too. Yeah. The whatever it takes. No. I'm not looking at it from that standpoint. The maintenance piece. You're correct. To what extent I don't know, but I do believe we have a responsibility to ensure that emergency responders are able to get into the RV part and maneuver around in a manner such that they can respond to legal issue, medical issue, fire issue. And I think that is within the purview of this court to consider that. Now, what road standard supports that as far as the construction of it? I mean, I'm not a road builder. I look at it from the standpoint of what's the minimum width we're refiring as well as, you know, I guess the turn radius and turns in general. Yeah, because I think I turned. I turned subdivision regulations of geotesting and all kinds of requirements that little excessive for either report where you know we're rocking the county. I mean like in long exact the road based down and meet the blue and with apartments. I hope you see that in the issue essentially. It's a what asphalt is that what the depot say. It was marrying our some of the vision regulations road, we're going to take over which are pretty stringent. Most of Maureen Farmer. I mean, that's all, man. Judge Miller, Parker County, they have a pretty thorough one for infrastructure requirements for RV parks. And theirs was done on of 23, I do believe. So you might consider reviewing that one for what they do for their RV parks. Parker County. I've got it written. Thank you. Okay. Anything else we need to cover on that one? All right. So then we're at share driveways. And the developer needs to install the driveways. If we do share driveways. That's been a train wreck. I'm like, I'm waiting for the while I'll share. from a 90's standpoint it's better trying to write down like in the way the wild search. We don't mean to do share and draw boys. From a 90's standpoint, it's better for the roads if they're sharing the driveways off county because we have less, you know, access points. But I mean we're running into they're putting the water meters right in the middle of the shared driveway. So I know there's a squabablin over your driving on my side of the shared driveway and here's my tiny nest and it's just I mean I'm not I'm not and I'm trying to stay this the right way. I mean I'm not making a joke of it but I kind of am. You know these are all people that are over the age of 18 that are purchasing land. They are legally adults. And if they're making those decisions when they purchase that land, that's a decision they're making. I do believe that it would be well within our right to set a bond for the shared driveways until those get put in, because that is part of the infrastructure that would impact either existing county roads and or state roads. So if we expanded the language in the bond requirements to encompass shared driveways. Yeah, and having the developer install the driveways prior to a fruit builder during a fruitable of a flat tube, that would happen on one of where fruit and flat driveways weren't in, they sold the lots. and then then you got two landowners I've been trying to try to put this driveway and he created a mission and then what they dropped a fire pole in there and a water meter right in the middle where it's owned the flat flat out this is the shared driveway yeah you know and then what we had to force the bell to remove that or try to move it? Well, yeah, we did not affirm it until I think the land owners end up at the pay to get it moved. But right. And that was but burden off of the developer on the land owners. That that on the developer and one of his seldom been to the other house or about that morning. What are they? They're going to put bond requirements. But you're done there. you can start putting more groundways on our canteros, you know, but if you could have the vote for more and do that before we're in front of it, then the people won't forget. Well, I mean, if they install it, when they go out there sell a lot, the people will say, look, I got to share this driveway with my neighbor. So at least they know, but they end and it's a, it's a, you know, surprised on it. Also while we're on job ways, after reading this, they have their engineers, not counting the developers, engineers, size the culverts for all the driveways to every line in the subdivision, which I would love. I thought I looked at the environment do that inside of the subdivision. No, not really. And I've never been. And provide typical drawing. That's about implement. Well, we've asked for that. Um, one of them. Okay, let's look at some of days like real ready, for example. All those driveway co-workers in that some vision work size. No. I think one year, I think it's on. I know what it anchors. Yeah, because they use that because they use that as rain blanket. Yeah, slow down the water and it will. I remember that one. I don't have to say what it does. It's not only. Yeah, that's one. I think you identified that water does flow down down. You down hill. I think that wouldn't have the one that there was a very Girl's mock and being I think we can start with the size of the covers and the Not for I mean, I mean, you know, it's almost I'm thinking they're half to it because if they're required to do a drainage study, correct? So they've got the information that they would need to be able to do it. We're just not, we just don't have the wording in there to have them deliver that. Okay well I've got bond requirements and covered sizing in typical. Okay. before and draw boys. Do it quickly. Yeah. Okay. Okay. We move on to the small items? The small lots need to have wells marked on the plant. Sure thing meets that required setbacks. Yeah. I mean, we would cry for requiring that. Like, like brightness and it's not written in our rigs. We can probably. Yeah, and these be in our regulation. So this is add language is. Okay. Okay. Welcome's the next one. I'm talking about. I want to step back and be welcome. I have a message from. Oh, I said from the tank. It asked me to feed from the drain film. That's beyond the. And I don't know what setbacks are from other miles or. Property. the case. Yeah. One point to make. One point. What about this? 4 inch cases 300 feet. The park line line. That's good. Those are up to. Let's put it here. Get 4 1 1 half of five. Eventually if you're going on the south county you have to be there. Oh my goodness, that's like a 100 people. I think this one out here is required to read. And I think like this one is, I like to read. They form corners and they bring, they're in 160, 6 things. In the neighborhood, two right here, lots kind of in the middle there. Yeah. I think this was a bad thing. And that's some. Well. The neighborhood has been to put it on the path. Because they didn't want to walk it in. Or where that's where they're going to get open. And what the land overcoming in there, why? Well, my brother, you're one of my better kids. And he's both out. Don't buy that lock by the end. Yeah. I was looking for a big first and a pound print and certainly on the house for the executive oil. And so I didn't get to. But I'm willing to bet that they're over the age of 18. Everyone on them. So if I'm busy, you can neighbor. Let's hear them burst. You know, it's too late for a lot. You know, you're not taking your neighbor. It could make it so as you could not meet setback requirements completely. So I think we require them to do well and those not so specific to the location of these structures on the black. They got approved to a still bit. I'm going to go to the bridge. I'll be right back. I'm going to go to the bridge. I'm going to go to the bridge. I'm going to go to the bridge. I'm going to go to the bridge. I'm going to go to the bridge. I'm going to go to the bridge. I'm going to go to the bridge. I'm going to go to the bridge. I'm going to case and the yellow research, like if we start putting them on flats as a part of your process, what I'd prefer. People are going to be asked for it. There are exceptions facing the completion of the formation, so so out there when you are specifically talking about. There are well-tested in the middle training, pencil, where it is potentially lost in, but it's in the water quality, so people can take that challenge on and untreated. So there is a way to come with a hammering and ask the way ever from your neighbors, or some exceptions. to ask the way ever from your neighbors. Absolutely. So we need, we'll now, again, we need to add language. And this include all a lot. I mean, just, yeah, it's required to be on the plan. I mean, they don't have to like it. I want to develop. I'm going to spend $1 million somewhere else. I make a heart. Well, I'm going to go to the office around a town They don't mean to make good money. They don't have to pay. Yeah, I'm thinking. Yeah, I'm dealing with that. All has need to have the septic system surveyed out on the plat. Yeah, we don't have that. We require that so that we make sure that the septic system is on the on the lot that they're proposing, but we don't have it written in our regulations. That's what we want to know. What is that? So this is another ad language. And what that he has typically in our home, prior to septic farms, might be on five or ten acres, and he's learned selling neck up at all. And what that is typically in our home prior to septic farms Might be on five or ten acres and they're selling that up at all Maybe ensured that our flat aligns aren't even threatened for selling So that most likely is going to apply to like the number one that we talked about the single tracks. Yes. Okay. Yeah, that verbiage won't even mean anything on the server, but I admit just to hear it. Yeah, that's probably value game. What I think you're getting to here is somebody's going to come in and, and they're going to put in, um, I don't know, uh, goose feather subdivision. And they're going to get it built out. And whether they own the adjacent property or they acquire an adjacent property, then they come back and they submit their plaque for goose feather phase two. And they probably had an idea whether there was going to be a goose feather phase two before they ever submitted for goose feather. And it affects how the traffic flow, the biggest part of it is the traffic flow patterns between those two and how they're accessing existing roadways is really what becomes impacted. So I also was very close to South Division, but if you own the entire track and you're just fighting part of it, you plan to provide a master plan for the entire track. which we were farett to do, but it planned out there that she developed behind the red barn going back in there. More than deals. And of course, she's gone to the mental health all of that shit across there. But she's working her way across there. And I don't know that we've required that. I don't know if we've had an opportunity to attempt to require that only in recently, but I think that language means that it back into our other visual regulations. I've got there and he was like, that's not cactus. I mean, hundreds or thousands of homes are back in there. They're going to access point that could potentially have a secondary point come in. It's rich enough. Having a road there that comes out and goes up in there that we gave up on part of the end of one of the time ago. We should not help. We'll tie that back in the other spot. 4 when she comes across Creek does that part of this side of the Creek. She's going to have, she's probably going to come out and get on the cactus because she's not a little bit of Ridge, perhaps I Creek. Just be more dead end cultists. Get them off to the maze. Not a list of this. I'm just laying about getting them out. But But it's just part of the master plan is just like they did over their co-walks, China, back in there, that old road from whisper notes and those back in there comes out and dead in, but their in brush were telling you to go up in there and find all that they VR Horton stuff. And now that track of land at the city's ball, or the school's ball right there, like this sort of losing church, church. All that country needs time together and leaks the master planning down. They VR Horton to you know, stubbed out a road into there and saved some right away off the back side of that southern vision that comes out there. You know, we're aware of my troubles over the years to get some of this much-point discussion on city of Mexico. I will be admit I'll give up at this point after they're having a lot on time. So I guess that's China and glass. Glass. Yeah. That's right. He's been open road to come. Wooden and wood hollow or what was it? I guess I went all the way over to which wood. Which wood? Yeah, and we still have those each ones. I think we just don't make it. On the road, we didn't accept that macro that subs out into that country that the development, we never accepted that road is there's a dedication on some divisions filed and I think the dedication on it but we never accepted it. So we don't maintain it. You know in the at the end of it we're stoked in that property of hits there's a little deal survey out of it and VIT, right, if there's hospital tone. Black Juts says there's all 18 years old road dogs. Got seven in the situation. I guess someone didn't get shows out of it. But, um, but some point somebody's going to tell somebody, no, you can't do that do that. Why? Because they upgrade this mess and we can't fix it now, so no. And which is not going to happen, then CVZTJ there, they're just going to keep letting people do what they want to make up and learn. I see that that critical track finally is going to make it on the looks like it's finally going to get developed. Finally, if that deal done. Right, so we need to add in language with regard to master plan as part of the submission. Yeah, in reference to, if they come out on other county roads and upgrading those roads and instead of now having the dead end cult of segment, you get a through string or lecture or something like that, which didn't change building criteria. areas. They need access out more than one point. You know what they're doing now. They've got a hundred acres. They've got a street right up the middle of the cold to the second the end of it. Well, don't sound so bad, but when there's 25 of them done like that, up of our county roads down there, it's just a tree with no olives. Just don't let you know how much the legislature appreciates us and all of our struggles that we have in 2019. They passed a statute called Development review and it says in this section development plan for the preliminary plan, preliminary subdivision plan, subdivision construction plan, site plan and general plan, land development application or site development plan. In B says unless explicitly authorized by another law of this state, accounting may may not require a person to submit a development plan during the plight approval process required by the subjector. If a county is authorized under another law of this state to require approval of the development plan, a county must comply with the approval procedure of this subjector during the approval process. where he is. You know, the importance of 4.0.3, that is the Zodolals that said, hey, by the way, you're okay with regulating this stuff, and we're either going to have the hunger of our former medical friends to give us a lot more money than they'll do, so you can't do that anymore. Well, I think the thing to do is to put some language in a draft. Again, it'll get reviewed. We'll see what we can do and what we can't do. But the other one I think that we might need to address at some point is identifying, and this may be pushing our abilities but identifying a maximum number of houses that would be allowed on a street that has a cul-de-sac. And so we could limit the amount and I think we could probably get that under, because I know that there has been conversations about this. You know, you've got that turnaround area at the end of cul-de-sac. That's me, it was support, again, fire and rescue, you know, emergency services and school know, so I think we can work in a portions there, at least draft something that encourages developers to build the, whether it's the horseshoe answer or connect into another road or, you know. Are leaf so that properties were potential developments yes done that I don't know if we have that highlight of their relations especially down there we're trying to come up we need access there and then this cult site that goes into this next property that comes out on that end or some of it say highway yes that's It's usually going to be developed. Yes. OK. All right. Burbage in the floodplain needs to be proofread. I don't remember what that was. I think I had somebody tell me that it wouldn't be clear in the floodplain. Our floodplain would have been something wasn't worth a just ride kind of choosing but I think it was floodplain ordinance. I think for sure that's our Remember and Also while we're talking about floodplain, I don't know ifline? Organs? So there are other sections of bloodline pollinants that we talked about before that probably would be desired in areas specifically known what is in plastic, known as the body of them. What point of time does the tension retention come into effect? That's been some week of fall from my knowledge of all that. You know, 10 A.E.R. ones, I don't necessarily see that been a large issue, but at some point in time, when you get down to these smaller density logs, you're gonna have more impact on any roads, neighbors. Okay, I've got a, I just got a question mark out my, the, garbage in the floodplain. So come back and. Some water. Yeah, I'm not over there when the, there's stack in there cardboard. You know, they're not floating at all. dump that on the niggas. Rotter the mouth wash everything over roads. You know, it's probably not a lot of drainage. These must study these in here, which some of that's old, some of the new ones should be required from water plant that does not create any more discharge discharge on the existing facilities. facilities, then, as apparently, that's what the dinner was, but when we came here, we were coming. In addition, pause, I just started the syllabus for the get your public. It was a slow. You know, it's been a lot of times larger. One's like I actually let it out. I asked somebody to take, you know, I also take 10 acres versus a house and make acres. And then half the acre. We can far all that production of that about a that's clear. We're going to adopt regional specifications for for grains and subdivision and the physical and then it's supposed for more and out in the subdivision and coordinate subdivision drainers and the general's plan, grant is pattern from area. That reasonable specifications for by the ad grant and the breake's greater road and subdivision in accordance with the hearing practices. Then what the judges come in about, you know, can have a run on code stack more than somebody so long or somebody houses on each side of it, if you're going to doubt less than the amount and kind of travel over each street road and some vision, reasonable specifications relating to the construction of each street or road. So, you know, it's going to be a, this cup road, this type of road, this type of road, this type of road, it's got to be, I mean, these requirements. There's a three roads got to be this wide and this big. This is developed to this standard. If it's a cold sector, can't be any longer than this. So be longer and actually got to connect it around some of my loop something. You know, a dead end road. It's more than this longer. I don't know what this has to do with. I've seen that somewhere. I can't remember. Some of these other regulations have adopted a link on based on you know where you asked emergency services. You know. I can't remember. It wasn't there as long as you think. We're going to go go somewhere. They're written about I think 200 bit to feed or something. Yeah, that one said. Fire high there. Up to you, you know, these had had like a 1250 feet or like a two tenths. Three tenths of a mile or three tenths of a mile like my bed. But then that's also based on this. You'll see when the hour is two. Okay, so again, I'm just trying to kind of keep us along. So did we touch on the ditch water velocity kind of in that conversation too? Not really. I put that in there as like over here twin cameras are coming off the mountainside and have the lead washes the ditches deeper and deeper and deeper and more it's a maintenance nightmare. If they can wait and set some sort of velocity or some way of throwing the water down, let the engineers design some method. The work comes off at Hale. We're not help us that by setting the grade requirements on the roadways. Not really because, I mean, we got us at, at 12 o'clock, I want to change it to the temperature and at least you. All right, the most. But F12% and TN. It's a 12%. Thank you. It was a 10% and it's going to be a 8% and then you need to calculate how much water comes up on the hill. If you only got an acre, you're going to be down to 10% from trying to each versus 100 acres coming down there. I don't get that in my friends. It don't matter much. How much do you? Drowning down and you think that's steep and don't pay much for it. Also, we don't have nothing specified in our regulations. State and what they got to build the ditches and dryness requirements to. Is there a 10 year plan to your plan 25 year plan to your plan flood? A month. Yeah. So. I thought we had a percent in a market for a percent, something like that, but I thought we had a percent in the market for a percent. So I thought we had a percent in the market. We're not in the next one. So Judge Miller, I'm going to also send you Guadalupe County subdivision regulations, almost everything that you all have spoke to in the last 20 minutes. They actually have in their subdivision regulations, including they look at a 25-year storm event with their drainage and then they also have the drainage structures designed by a professional engineer and in that profile the construction plans include the design flow velocity in ver elevations and hydraulic grade line. What county was it? I'm going to send it to the judge and Mr. Belton, then he can distribute it. Brooke. Nan, I'm gonna jump through Zoom and hug you right now. The cul de sac one is also in there as well. And they actually have how the cul de sacs have to be designed in the setback and the right of way and easements and all of that, they actually specify. I've been reviewing these as you've been going through. Now that's perfect. Alright, so Guadalupe, we need to focus on water flow issues. I just kind of as a general cul-de-sac design and setbacks. Let's sit in here. Okay. All right. So I think that takes care of the flood plain proofread, which I kind of got a question mark out there as well. And then water velocity let's figure out what what's the best wording and garbage ton that fits our need. Save the entry and the entryments for culverts. But in our oldervage was in there, our new ones do not have it. Most of these developers are putting safety and treatments anyway, but Mr. Bell told me that we can't require safety and retreatments because the county and ourselves don't practice putting in safety and treatments, but I don't know. I didn't have a developer question made about putting safety and treatments on their cold lips. And the one with a vulnerable drug was in our kind of roads. Do you go to the public permit? This was pertaining more to the roads or the co-workers the road. But he wouldn't understand. I like everything. Pretty much. Road road response is not what I say. Everything is. And that's fine. We don't have to bring on that. I like just a lot of people. They like to. I think that's what that. Trying to try to put them in two places. Or here sometimes they might want to put them in a head, but you might want to buy them. You want to ship the oldest 18 inches of fence. are safety and treatments. And I'm thinking in terms of like a text dot standard or safety or safety or safety and treatments tied to the speed limit of the particular roadway. The text I guess. All of them are in the text. No what's behind it. OK. Now they do change the design criteria among the diameter of cold red draft. Yeah. You. They're kind of particular things. Strange. They help the cold red not undermine a cold red. Because they got a putter in them. But then too, they're for safety. Somebody runs off the road. Well, him, hit a dead end. Right. They rampled over. Yeah. The terrible over the fence up. Hands, shredder, so kissing the e-pods, the gentleman's back. And we turn the little narrow driveway into the trailer, most of them are seeing the e-pods. And why over the fence? Get the gun. And in the big city, the kids who were in the ditches from getting sucked into the color. No, I thought I'd read somewhere that safety end treatments, the designs of those are based off of speed limits to some degree. And if that were the case, then we could, I don't know, maybe implement some language as far as when we're proving speed limits within subdivisions of, you know, how we can determine whether those required or not required, but the being said, I think this is one that we're probably better off asking forgiveness for the permission and we put those in there and then if somebody questions us on them. The Councilman on Opposem Section 232.003, our standard, the streets are road and they subdivision. And county and poses some of the sale time. So the construction streets are road and the assembly are 5,000 miles to 5,000. So large. So we took asphalt down. Remember that? Well, the bank construction, because we just did maintenance. New construction. If we get a runaway and you know, say, near plans, we put safety and treatment in it, we've cut in the road. And I was saying you can't just do system construction. I'm going to have to put it in. Wait, Mr. Bell, I think I'm, I'm, I'm, I may have, I may have a response to that for me. But I will have a permanent salary in our relations. They're safe to answer. So I think that the other all have safe to answer. So I say we put them in certainly in our relations and roll on. Okay, I'm going to put, I'm going to highlight Add. And again, once we get a draft back, it's been reviewed. We can look at comments and, you know, before we, you know, taking a final approach on something, possibly reduced the max slope of a road. Yeah, like I said, it's currently at like 12% in our regulations. There's a lot of things that nice to go down to eight. I mean, what's safe travel for a fire, DMS? When you go to Roland Hills, see the ridge right now. There's concrete spill out of them. These are old roads, we maintain, from concrete trucks going up them, because they're such a high grade. And I think safely a fire truck and drive will attend percent grade. This is why I won't say up to 10 percent of it when it may not be difficult. But what is the concrete to truck to lose concrete at? See, you're... We may walk slow, do you think concrete to truck loses concrete? Well, it's not a consistent bill? I've shot right on it. It's a work from 12 to 17% of the bin on where the home is and far out the magic. Wow, that's definitely so. So around 12 plus, I think there's a lot of green. But I think that there are many for always shoveling down green all the room over there. How long has it been? I don't mind drawing them. I think well, well, the first ticker of what Ray would let him build the road out in the circulation, because as much as anytime the niche erosion, he isn't the fluts in any way. Well, it's the safety 9.2. You know, people pull the trutters up third and then you get a quick up, pulling all those hers and stall out and roll back down and we'd fall on all those things. Or people back yours. Yeah, that one, we got to under. It's a, it's way distinct. And you'll never get an opportunity to buy it right away. Or had to stick to correct it correct. We, because the one houses get built in, you can't go in there and cut the paint foot off top of the hill. The house is renovated up above it. The other thing is to the eyes. The events we got going, you know, we had last week, potentially, when coming this week, freezing weather, we'll be out there, people will slide down the heels, say, you know what I think? Nothing if it was so overgrained, you probably managed to maintain. So, I agree. Okay, right now, I'm sorry. Not a year. I think we can stand on it. I think we can defend that for any problem for lots of reasons. Fix is right now looking at the reference there 35. It is that 12% is that your recommendation that it be 8% and then there are some provisions, I believe, in 232 that if a developer who come to us and you know, there's a there's a gross hard ship or something like that. Then we could they could request a variance and we could consider it at that point, but they present the recommendation. Okay. All right. Stations must always be marked in the field. Yeah, then get the station numbers and feel the master plans so that we, when we're testing and everything, we know exactly where we're at in the quarters of the plants. Maybe very helpful. I don't know that it needs to be every 100 feet, but I mean, nothing else. You need to put them wherever 500 feet marks, but you need to put them blue tops probably cultured ever 50 feet. Yeah. Yeah. 50 feet in straightaways, which we can probably research that there's some specs we can pull from core engineers that highlight. Encourage ever 25 feet in straightaways is 50 or 100 feet for blue tops. What it is, well one, some developers we originally started with, contractors, what name run and any survey control. There's no way for us to go out there and record, well, where's this busy test taking it? We're setting out there looking around going, well, we think we're around lot 53. We gotta go back and look at the plans, well, what stations are in front of lot 53. You know, we look at the cross sections on the plans. You know, what do we, what do we require in cross sections? We've been plans for labor 100 feet 200 feet. Can't we? 200, 200, 200. 200. 200. And then we're covered. Yeah. So when we're doing density testing and quality assurance out there, you can't reference in our reports where we're at on the job of the city. There's no survey to go on. No survey to go on. Okay. Then we think we're requiring survey in. Pour in there is what they got to survey out the lots. And I think with the pens from the lots, and we've also run into a couple of build roads. They weren't even in the right-away. And they had the movement. Luckily lots at the minzole. We figured that out with take measure. Okay, so under stations we need to add language. It's just visible in March. Certainly wouldn't last. us to maintain throughout the duration of the project that we can reverse our test time. Okay. You got to be able to read it. And that applies to the blue top GPS subgrade, all that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, that line right there is that that verb is needs to be added in because we got the two main developers coming in here trying to put it in without blue top and in, following Jerry. If we have it written in there, then it's clear like what? This is... Think of that wildhold, man. Yeah, yeah. They're good for here. They're building ranch roads building ranch roads. And that's been some of the way for these contractors, they were used to building roads to like a ranch road standard. And all of a sudden we go about a laser level and try to find elevation and match it. And then they're like, what do you all do? You know, what do y'all do? You know? What's that background? What do you think? Plans need to have as much details as Marshall's plan do as a minimum. He gets. Marshall burns plans for twin caverns, very detailed. I mean, just by the way, take his plans and build a business of division. I've got plans of subdivisions that, I don't know, it'd be a challenge to build it to the plans because there ain't enough details in it. Okay, I've had them turn in. We're letting it have the had animations for their 10 horns and you know, it's a back-and-forth between the engineers and we're going to have an elevation here. Yeah we designed this ditch to handle all this flow and we got it on this grade but we don't have an elevation out here. Another thing we're to bring up on we're talking about that is these larger blocks. They're designed this based on what drone surveying or just the GP or you know right topo. Right and their accuracy is only within about three to ten feet on that. Yeah so when you're out there if we don't require them to do a little bit more field survey and prior to designing or the heels, the big heels, they did all these elevations and they had a map layer that they said, well, this is the heel is an elevation of 1,000 in the bottoms down here, 900. Well, I get their percent grade through there. That's what they use for calculations on their plans. What happens if you get started and get going out there, the contractors out there going to walk, I can't get this 12% grade. Well, this hill was actually a 1025 and the lower part down here was a 1035. Well, now to get there 31 slow, so they don't have enough right away. They don't have enough, they can't cut the heel part enough. So, so my take, but what I'm in front of that is, is we need to add language to specify the details of the plans. Yes, exactly. And accurate elevations, field elevations, or design. I'm I have come up with that language. We know the... You can go back to... We know I can get that wrote down somewhere or another. It's probably just going to have to provide a one-foot survey, topo map with design that's sort of... So, but, so there. Because then the engineers can base, they do their design on the place. But they're doing a lot of our right now and things like that, which are only good to want to meet her to. Oh, the line first pretty accurate, but I don't know that they're using my dark play. I think they're just going off the old geo maps that have, you know, we think it's this elevation. We know they're the hill here, so it's gotta be hard. Are the field areas, uh, need to better explain testing requirements? Yeah, our plans don't allow to out the different soy and banking subgrade very well. So, in banking, but it's basically you got a large field here, you're filling across. A lot of times that's a different testing method. We don't even specify that in there. We just have subgrade subgrade typical refers to the the foot six inches to foot directly underneath the road base. So you go across one of these digger beams, these ravines that they're putting all these culvert and they might be filling 18 feet. be. Well technically I don't know if we can can or can require testing for every lift within an 18 feet. I mean it's not we know it ever. Well, so don't need it. It's small. The list says therey. I think text out of Lales, environment field, two foot fields, fantastic. The opposite is used in whatever the written title healed there and track it in. Right. Okay. I assume it means the abundance of that and not near what they are. You know, because you get different stratus of material here, but you know, it's out of the heat away. But it needs to be good enough. There's no going to be a failure. Okay, so then we've got, uh, C-Floen is to be spelled out better. Half the road not to exceed the whole road. In three dot five a and b. Yes, absolutely. If we don't want to want to. C-Floen across the roadway shall not be allowed in any influence and experience, but in the right question. I have one hundred and a half of those. I'm telling you, we're glad. Thank you. Well, I'll run that one. Right. Anybody that thinks it's a good idea, hell empty their face. Okay, so sheet flow is prohibited across the roadway. Hey man, prohibited, I think that's the word. How many of these? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't have it. Have your gauge metal on culverts above 36 inches? Well, at the Mike department, we just started to implement that. Anything over 36 inch. We've been stuck in 10 gauge culverts. We'll set 16. Engage that's the standard you want to go with? Okay. How old are those big culprits are in the 7th and holds with them? Have an issue. How old's and culprits? We actually had data one nine 17 of 1956. And they were 10 gauge gold. So I've been there for 70 years. Okay. I'm fine with that. 36 inches above 10 gauge. Stepper for road, the culprits across the road to driveways. Does anybody have a 36 inch culvert in their driveway? Oh, yeah, we got some six floors and some driveways. Holy mo, okay, I didn't. Right? Some places are next levels. Or the road is the creek and then it did down to over on sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I if we go to that extreme, but it's over the other guys, they were, you want to use gravel. Or there's a loud engine air design, and we all have a bridge. Yeah, probably. Because it was spelled out in our last ones. And they just united there. You know, get, come back from around the launches the cold room so that you get water undermining it. Okay, there you get the cool. Then you press top of your cold room, then you add a revised cold room. So, you can start over. Okay, so this would be in their engineer report. They have to they have to submit us their materials. Okay. All right. Yeah. The couple of them that wanted to be from the engineer and they got with the engineer and the engineer said, yeah, we can do that. we didn't have anything in our plans. You know, second and the other way we just put something in the air fragmentation was and recently as he wanted to do faster, you know, that through the hand compaction on it. So the air's flow will feel the nice footland. I don't know, you're going to pay for it. So you could achieve kind of the same results depending on how fast you want to do it and the materials, but there may be a difference in cost. Well, it feels essentially concrete without large aggregate. So we'll back up or lay the top and the ground, pour grout essentially all the way around it in two hours. It's passable. There ain't no settlement. Okay. But that needs to be in their injury-meeting report submitted is part of the application. Right. Material's first presentation. Uh. Okay. But that needs to be in their injury-meaning report and submitted as part of the application. Right. Okay. I'm material-slushing petitions. All right. Just let me know if you got dropped off. She's trying to log back onto a plate. Oh. Okay. I think you're going to talk to her. She's off just for a second. Okay. A format project schedule? Yeah, we get all different kinds of projects. Get those hard to keep up with. Uh, if we had one that they have to cement to the same one standard. That would be be helpful. Can you get it and provide them any sample or else. Yeah, I don't know. I'll have to get with Mr. Litz on the standard format is you take an Excel spreadsheet one day is a block and you go in there and you put all your trades in there and you put your months up here and you put your work days across there. And then that way, every month, they can update and say, okay, well, y'all hadn't, you know, whatever work schedule is, you had 24 work days this week, or you worked seven days a week, well, y'all didn't work from whether, you know, 10 days this month, then you just take a slide that old spreadsheet over 10 days, you know, to above. Well, we're getting now, as you get a word and document going, well, we're gonna lay the road base from where I think will be done on November 15th, and we're going to, as you get a word document going, well, we're going to lay the road base from, we think we'll be done on November 15th, and we'll do a little to celebrate from October 1st, October 30th. And it's very hard to kind of track how far behind you are and put that back against your project schedule. All right, so again, I'm going to use that word. They're not supposed to use. I'm going to assume that you are going to come up with what that spreadsheet looks like and submit that to the court as part and will adopt it. So this is from the 1940s as they've been using to this day, just a spreadsheet. Excel. That's another part of the Microsoft. And there it is. It's explained to me. Microsoft is. Okay. Yeah, I know that project schedule. We need probably put garbage in there to make them updated monthly and provide their us. Monthly, weekly, I'll defer to whatever you would do. Yeah, just monthly, okay, because we normally set that once a month and review these. Okay, meeting. What year event does drainage need to be designated for? Design for the design Designed for, yeah. Okay. I don't... You mean like... I've got a county with 25 years, but actually they got a lot of reference to 10 year sales. And depending on the road, definitely should. Yeah. So, that all. Yeah. But we don't have anything in ours. So, this is what I'm getting at. So, but that's mainly going to be timing to your over topping of your large structures. Yeah, and they got mervigin there. They got a whole section and it's way outside of my room, but how much water, how many inches of water can overflow for certain period of time. You know, this kind of going sides to with our agenda to slowly try to do away with the water thrulshings, because in Indian design, like some of the ones we've had recently, they designed a 10-year event. Well, we just had what? 250-year event or 500-year event. van. 100 year is a pretty excessive design, but a 25 to 50 is not too bad. And I think you need to spell it out too. And you know, Creek channels are higher design criteria versus some of these smaller areas. I mean, they actually have it in there that you can't have lower growth. Right. Well, we only ate lower growth. We were in the past, we told them that if there's another way out, well, well, well, I don't know that we have anything that really back that up. And I think too, we need to run in these specs and get over, and I don't know about to wrap this up, but what we saw is a lot of these developers coming here and they're build large drainage in an area. They might go in there and stack five eight foot culverts in an area. Yeah, instead of doing that, they need to build a bridge or a box culvert. At some point in time, we need to distinguish the difference in that. It's It's like we're maintaining roads, maintaining a small bridge versus maintaining five or six eight foot colders. That's just like the one out there in John Reader, we would look at it. It's not a live tree, but it carries a lot of water. Mm-hmm. It's what was that by in 40 foot? Now about 30 foot? About 30 foot across. already put across 10, 12, deep and then we're going to put four or five six right foot comfort. Yeah, that may go on the part three right. Okay, do we want to use 10 or 25 as our base number. I think we're going to have to burn it. I think an engineer could tell us what the difference between those was. I know we've talked them before about that, about the difference between them. What's the difference in the size of the culvert if you use this or this or this and some of those that we've got them to redesign for us, we've asked them that question and I can't remember now but it was a pretty big difference between like the you know, like locking the big lips and like the percentage is I can't remember now what it was. I think we probably need to ask how much difference it makes before I. Because I think that for us or the way I'm looking at it is, if we're having to maintain the same design standards in house, then when we go to replace something or we're improving something, we've got to do it to the same standard. In a lot of times we, well I couldn't tell you if we're doing it that standard but we're increasing it to the bridge. You know what I mean if we get a handful of these large cobras there and we can put a 20 or 30-foot yield of bridge in as well we're putting in now I don't know if it's going to meet that design standard but I but I'm going to go back to that maintenance reconstruction. Certainly you don't agree with me, but okay so I've got that down as a question that we'd like to have an engineer explanation or commoner's explanation of what the engineer knows about the difference between a 10 and 25 and we'll start there and see what that looks like. And we've got a lot of questions from the engineers of the baseline. Well, what I need to build this road to, we don't have another regulations of 10 years, 25 years. I don't know what I mean. Okay. change the minimum size of a lot with a well to two acres. I think we kind of previously discussed that. I'm going to put a question mark there because of them. The well, I'm trying to go back to what Mr. Belt was saying about putting any office on the stand and asking that long-winded question. I don't have to put me in jail. So the answer to the answer. Or the I think if you know you're all you don't I'm pretty positive with the two acres You can make the setbacks of your well I think if you are all either I'm pretty positive with the two acres You can make the setbacks of your wells, but you get below that your your plant My egg trying to get through to meet your setbacks Well, I wrote down as the as the question that's kind of the litmus test is what information do we need to defend enhanced requirements? Okay. That's the only thing I guess played it over. All right. Then change the minimum road frontage. Yeah, we kind of talked about this in past. This is kind of to discourage the flag lots. I don't know that we're not a big fan of. What is the burning county of 350 put? And maybe I can't remember. You know, the thing that will now is why they allow 350 put this because it was when buys that I have a 350 foot flag essentially and then say a parent owns that and they turn around and filter kid home front on acre Well, then they still have road frontage up shared driveway there That you know because they can circumvent the subdivision regulations but having carbon nowubways there. You know, because they can sort of it the subdivision regulations, but having carbon out for their fields. Well, it definitely changed it down here for the day we have no flagged off something against, I do not know flagged off. Well, what that would do is have allowed the flagged off minimum width that they rode is only feet and so it's really not a flag five. Just a bigger plot of land. Right. They're all like that. Robots and anchors. Sometimes I'm about to go by very simple. Some of the sudden isn't ready. Like we're ready. They're not going to be. I just have to go right. Yeah. That question. Right. So we're currently at 60 feet. Is that correct? Is that... That's what I'm saying, I'm just so okay. Well, this will be a lot. It's must have a minimum of 60 feet of frontage adjoining a road. But I think that'll still hold true though on your smaller lots, but then your road design criteria has been up change. You're going to have folks have the tiered deal lots of this size or this much road frontage slots. So this size then have a new design criteria for the road, but can allow that footage. For example, you get around the cities, you get ribbon curved, you know, storm drains, they got small lots there, hand makers, because I got public water, put Siri in, we'll, 60 foot, 75 foot, successful there. But the design of that road and drainage is totally different than a five to 10 acre style. That's gonna take take someone way better writing made them. How about that? So one of the key aspects of this is to to deter flag months. Yeah, on the larger one, just mentioned with which if they're off the county road, we can very good thing with some extent, because I've got a way for me to find you have some of that access to all the driveway per minute is one of the biggest part, that big part, and we get down the road. But we're off straight highways, and the problem is they mean spacing requirements. I don't state here so much. Well, it's a lot of things. A lot of these small FBMs are going to go wild driveway access for whatever. I mean, they have a formula for the end, but I think on average about 400 feet, that's all they'll have. Right, let's clean the driveways, but they don't require the owner of the property to have a minimum width of road punishes they own. Right. Yeah, the owner could have 30 foot. Yeah, I would, I know the driveway, we're getting with a 400 feet thing right here. But then what happens is someone cars out of section in between their sales and they don't get to put one in. Sex out of the night. Wow. But about that person's over 18. Okay. In my driveway, it's on the front marker road, textile, and some trim of the inner road's on. It's like a foreign market road. Textile is in the road alone. And we're going to lock by it. Okay. Increase the requirement of the groundwater availability study. I think we've talked to that about the. Party. Groundwater management area. And we may reach out to... How many men have real women? I'm sorry, many women. Not many, not many. It's not based on size. You could have 100-acre subdivision and 1,000-acre one, they're just growing on the same test, whatever. They didn't want out their job, but they're the thousand-igres, and that didn't fit in the three. What do they drill? Here pump and whales in one test, whales in the year. After being really in the end of the minimum, it's a set. So, you drill one well, you use an existing well, and drill two well, stuff in the middle, and say. So we can't, we're found out in an inch by we can't film it. Right, maybe what they've done out there. No, I'm not I don't know that that's what I'm saying. I think we need to get some input from some people. I mean, I could say, you know, we could sit there and say, you know, one every 10 acres, one every 50 acres. I don't know what that number is. That's that's reasonable. And I mean, I don't. We didn't mean to say, when she's like, you say there's one thing they can drive on. I don on that. That's kind of what we're talking with the first one I believe. Under the single tracks. Yeah. Okay. It's kind of more formal process of these ones. Not requiring that an appendix's in court and signed and give back to him. Yeah. Our 10 acre in the road's kind of how their regulations are written out. Again, I'm not a lawyer, so. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not got it wrong. That's over 10 acres. They can build roads however they want to. Yes. They still have to go by our our driveways and septic herments, but but I can go to the rail tower they want to. Don't think the trackway is on the hill. No, I can that's one of our roads. Well, yeah, yeah. They're not there internal. Not only, yes. And with the... Well, we're going to go from instance, driveways into a developed area that the developed area will speak. Built out in such a manner of going from in with the let's essentially at least a lot of the county we're talking to. And when it's there, when I go to be in traveling from in all of our kind of road, and of course it's up for a market or upside road, it's been put in provision in our wholesale home side soup. So Greg license and we will not permit a Home side soup to be in this area. It is developed unless you meet these minimum requirements and here they are. There's not going to be some good regulations. Those are missed by us questions. You know, some point that she's competitive. Who has the most money? They want to be able to look at five. I don't know if the developer would be willing to. If I was a developer and I had a large enough track. I would see us at the forecast. Because it's going to save me so much money. I was going to be bound a big $1,000 dollar dollar lawyer. I'll be in the house. I'll try and see what happens. Where's the case in here? You know what I'm going to meet our rules. But $5,000 to not have to meet our rules. I'm willing to try. I don't know. I guess the way Michael County is or maybe they are. I don't know said, I think what I gathered from it kind of referred back to being able to get a mercy. Mercy was able to do those kind of developed rooms and property canters. I could have never buy a legal dive and I would heart I'd be an amateur, they can't get you. Okay. I'm going to go and buy a new commercial. there, but they can't get to them. Okay. I'm going to go to that, you can learn to ship. Have we had any issues with that this year? Oh, yeah. They ain't developing the second part of Hidden Creek because there's that new one. That's in Costco. No, that's so we're here on Children's Road. There's some cut trails through there and play yellow cleats, you own it in the civil law. I mean, can somebody throw them there after they're trying to get the blame? I've got runs in and that road has been there for two years now. I'm going to have a take. They put it down for some years and take it back out. I don't know about the road. They got built to grind around in there. We have the little bookleachie on it and they take it back off. Yeah, what to it going up there? They hold people having their boat and they take a bike at the car to go look at the launchers. They're over 18 years old when they might. Okay, face schedule. I think that's one that we just need to sit down collectively and actually if all would take a look and see what you think is reasonable. But the biggest impact is inspection. I don't know how we address that. Maybe what are we paying now? $7,000 a month? We were when we had my four and going hell that's kind of slowed down. So, three or four miles of age with with glass and voice will be. Well, thank you. You know, that my peer 1 to 30 grand do that, plus your development, your inspection piece, or in all of that. Oh, but I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. Part law or personal bread or part out of something. I've been just built these. I've seen, you know, obviously, those, this long, I've been thinking about this long. So, just put a part, I've got you part of unit. I've passed in there for. Please, the cover the inspections. And some of the way you're going to be able to go. And I think the previous subdivision regulation, you know, the plating, you had a, there was a standard fee and then something per lot added on to that and have a base fee and then if you wrote a review. So Judge Miller, that's what Guadalupe County does. They have a base fee and then they have select their application where their fee for subdivision plots with new streets is $3,000 and then they have $100 plus per lot or space. And then without new streets, they do a $1,000 and then plus $100 per lot space. So they're charging $100 fee per lot. Regardless. they do a thousand dollars and then plus a hundred dollars per lot space. They're charging a hundred dollar fee per lot, regardless of whether infrastructure is going in or not. And then they have a base of a thousand dollars without new streets and in three thousand dollars if it has new streets. So three thousand dollars plus the lot per lot? Mm-hmm. What they're it off the lot. That still would not go with the cost of its face. Something like that. Yeah, that should almost do it by eight. Or because like those 10, eight, eight, eight, eight, or lots out there. I mean, they got, well, 26 miles of road and the only thing is or whatever that is. Yeah, I'd also make more sense to do it by length of road. Yeah, well actually that's when I was thinking about is the number of miles or distance of the road lanes being put in is really going to impact our inspections. I think it almost won't put something there in there too. And tied back to the project schedule thinking behind schedule, they're going to pay more on that fee because we're paying by the day for those inspectors. Right, the inspector, not? Well, no, but like these guys, some of these are behind schedule and they're still out there working. They were still sending inspectors, but they said cops in as much as they should be doing their work. They didn't even have enough over again. We're going to charge them more fees or take another bond to cover that. I think overall we just need to go back and revisit that fee schedule. We can pull down a couple of examples and kind of see what makes sense for us. But, you know, I like the idea of, you know, depending on, you know, the number of miles or distance of the roadway is going in, that ought to be a factor in there. Certainly we can use a number of lots, but then we need to make sure that that base fee really covers what what our internal costs are. I mean, and and you know, ballpark, as long as it takes you to go through a plan from beginning to end until the sign of their. I mean, a lot of times it's educational. We have to get the red pan out and send it back. Yeah, it's, so that's, I don't know. It's seems like weeks. It's it's constant back and forth with their engineers and long times. But then you have some that are more. Yeah, you got some guys against mid one two three corrections as well. Yeah. Um, overall, we'll we'll just revet that entire phase kid. I mean, I think that's probably. It's probably worth doing. It means been. four years. Okay. Take advantage of our PISM status. I don't know. I think when we kind of went through this list before, that was something that If you all and I'd take a notes on I just I don't Would okay, would that would that be our priority groundwater? It's my thought when I saw it, I'm curious. Yeah, I didn't know if it was something okay, I think I think it could be I can't remember but hey I'm very young and probably it wasn't it wasn't surprised me Well, no, it's it's pretty close because instead of the IS if you put a GW there Bartigam water management area And that what it what we are Okay And I think that that is Okay. I think that that is. I think that's the intent of the court. I will bow down and I will. Praise the man that can come up with the. Set of criteria that would eliminate flag lots. There's anywhere that we can do it. I'm going to do it. I can use that little 18-year-old analogy pretty easy. He might be a little pleased. You mommy batting you that land up, whether or not you get a divorce, I mean, it's because I split the place. Thank you. Bring the long haul like the others. I'm just totally done. You've little hard. You've been a while since I went to Adam and Barney. Tammy's got the Urban Junior Regulations. Yeah, I think the Mines led. They're here. changed. They're stopping a bunch of them on the front end making people get. Instruction departments essentially their issue and. Addresses that they've got away from the code. The issue and the addresses and. And they're having to get certifications to electric and water before they go set a meter or a powerful, and that way they make the landowners come in and go over with them like where they're well where their subjects have to go. They're not going to put their subjects in at the beginning of disruption. I don't know if you'll run any of that issue, but he was telling me that they run in while they changed this year's ago as somebody run an air person. I think that dude's getting an address, look at me, you're gonna build in the house and look up. And they're having problems getting their subject in because they got a whale or something, a bosporus. Okay, fire, you missed water source. Yeah, I mean, they kind of. This development company that we dealt with them, twin cabbages, they put in a water tank to help fire fires. I forget what size it is at 30 35. I mean, 30,000, 30,000. Yeah, and they're doing the same, they're supposed to do the same thing over in Creek. But we don't have anything in our regulations. Kind of state that. Blanco County has that in their regulations. But they have it actually written in their regulations. I don't know if it's someone to can pull from, but it's for mommy and father is kind of a concern. You know, a couple of things on that. Need to be clear. Who maintains a whale? Who maintains electric bill? And that is that is in my code that kind of spell that. I mean, you would have to take it over when the management company gets out. Right. But that had to be spelled in there. Right. Because in the Twin Caverns, it's actually land under that line. Yes. Yes, they're oil. Yes. So what if Bart would go out there and what Tracy's been turned off? That never recal. Ultimately, and we can give it some thought, but there may be, it may be worthwhile to engage with our volunteer fire departments that they have a task to maintain. I mean, you know, you know, how the utilities and those anyway, I'm just saying that there may be an avenue with our volunteer fire departments so that one other thing considered on that is Patrick's Farmers for the well so if they go a just on just small part of the well on it, is there any provisions for pumping that? Yeah, potential innovation. So you're going to be limited to the size of the set of the home section, right? Unless you can get. Unless you can like the developed ground water rights around it. Well, got down here. So we'll. So don't think I can come up with the intro of top of my head. To add to that, you know, in a line with that anyway is that we don't have anything in a regulation state that they got to provide us with a copy of the age of a agree on, right? So I think we're using our own. We're using the same proposed need restrictions. Yeah. I think proposed need restrictions and the joy of range and playing with and playing with screen. I wrote that the blank of counting like a version and they let you know. Patrick, your fat whale was tied to the road, just located in the canyon, in a area of that road that be calculated for our production. But with that, we're in the process of regarding the rules. I think you said your block. If we was like that developer, you would deed that property to us and deed the roadway to us. In that instance, you get a lot of area there from those two and then had a set back around that well for another well or something. You know, didn't work. I don't know what you're saying. Do I really read? No, all right. But that doesn't mean it can't change or be considered. to help coordinate for such a fire. You know, some way to salvage. Because if I'm in that way, then it wouldn't be you, because it's a very luxury. Well, we're heading from, well, that's what they have now. They all live in construction water and then fire farms. They have it in there as the HWA maintains that well for our purposes. And it's spelled out in that and they're ready to work well. But you don't know if the locks go they're going to roads. You're going in our system or tonight. O.A. Well, investor. Yeah. Okay. like Canada and Canada be, can it be possible? Well, right. But our water bills that we've been paying for construction water, uh, bond from. Yeah, you get out West Town. We can get water. When other things some of these water districts, water supply corporations, and our courier counties just changed theirs, where they're going to have to pay time and system, they're going to have to put bar vouchers. You know, they did not advance that. We're trying to think that to make them one build a big enough infrastructure in there, and flashing and everything else. Right. Okay. Building codes and fire safety, I think we'd talked about this before about just adopting international building code standards. Is that, am I thinking about that? This is something Brandon was wanting for Duplex's band link. I'm sharing all of them. Brandon, Brandon brought that. Oh, the look. You can say that this was an option. Yeah, okay. My bad. Excuse me. You do a lot. Regulate the construction of multi-family dwellings. It limits the only method you can use to do that in the international park road. And that was only regulations. You cannot adopt building codes, but you can adopt fire regulations, including fire walls and multi-family dwellings and certain things. That is your only option that I can buy. But as you might have certainly might know as mothers because there's a whole wall. Oh yeah. This is reaching what that means. I mean, we're looking at this two flexes with that go to somebody single family home. You know, we're telling them that I have to have fire. I think it only applies to multifamily dwellings. I don't think commissioners can die if they move that single family. Is that the part? Yeah, I just only applies to basically fireproof wall and 20 multifamily dwellings. I can, you know, when you do play it, seven little walls got to be fire rated. Yeah. I didn't think you hit that till a fourplex. Where is that statute of multifamily? The county can regulate the multi-family. The city is very glad she's made not required that, but I know other cities do. but he's long, long time ago, that I was, you know, who had worked for living, who worked on a place in Belk County. And you know, at each point, I believe they required firewalls in 2020. Well, family gloves, reaching out to about a billion downloads and fee-rocking that I'm not going to be able to do Now, the one thing that jumps out at me is, you know, when we start talking about, you know, codes and things that would be enforceable, if we don't have someone designated to do code enforcement and do inspections, then all we've done is just put some words down on a piece of paper that really don't have any bite to them. I think we have the bandwidth to deal with multiple family structures in the county. That's not that. We have thousands of them. It's not that many. Yeah, multi-family in the account outside of municipal limits of the city. Well, who if we had, for example, we had an apartment complex. Which had tires on money? If we got a duplex, you know, we'd put a review, make sure that they've got some level of apartments between them. But, you know, it could happen. There are certain areas in the county outside of the city limits. There are problems going to be. They're never going to be able to get to water and surf. If they have the abilities to do, they'll probably have an accident in the county in the city. So, you know, doplex, they can do clothing probably. They've proven that. At least there's some level of a requirement to put on them. And I would think that fire regulations, I have another expert on that. That's actually a vain means, but I would think there might be an opportunity for some spacing requirements too. You know, in fact's a case it can't be this for a part. We've got to have far all in between the units and they got to be some distance part. So maybe we could help with the bashing concerns about the size and the lot they were on. There's also provisions regarding setback line and given setbacks off the county road places, because we've never never met with. What we can, the county can't adopt those. So, Bill County put their duplexes at 340 for night, or I've researched that, or to go, Barney has a 340 for night, and they can just call that by OSSF 10-5, and they think, what they call me. Yeah, exactly. That's, I would believe that the aggregate. agreement. One other thing while we're kind of talking about these wealthy family, we got a request. I hope that was going in in a cabin green for centuries or what you'd call it. It's not an RV park, there's going to be a lot of cabin, journals, all riddled, all on one person's property. You know, was there anything like, you know, when you said mobile home parks, what's that, they're not paying for it, they did not pay for that. They said, I'm not a public, not a mobile, a mental community, so they're following the little regulations, and RV parts and all the military license. I have, well, in listening kind of one of the things that I just wrote down is provisions concerning the number of dwellings per lot. And I don't know that. There is not in a subdivision, it's just only piece property. That I already own. Well, I mean, that's that's from I'm getting at is you know, I don't know. I don't I just I wrote it down as a question to ask. I put the fence. you if we're talking about the tiny home concept, you're going to have to your you know your OSS F application is going to have to act or reflect the number of dwellings you're trying to service per... Yeah. is going to have to accurately reflect the number of dwellings you're trying to service per Yeah Okay, but we can I think other wing ass you know are concerned being you know tiny homes as a rental area and what are some ways to address that? The bad thing is those, so far, I mean, they far exceed the acreage of far less than you would think you could put on them as a result of And those I said, they got funding for that. That's not an issue. You know, during this cabin concept with a spread out across the piece of properties, so they're not sacked in by a quarter. They're not on a little small lot. And so even if we had some restrictions on our OSS, there are some number of acres. We filed them, I don't care. They don't meet that all day long. Okay, and then the last one we have on here, Gated Communities. Yeah, I almost say that probably has something to do with the, you know, the fire and and MS being able to share a sport with being able to get into these gaming communities. I don't know that we have anything in our regulations, should one. We didn't have big gaming units, it's got emergency code. Yeah. Well, the problem is that like some of them, the one over in the event, they factored up sold everything, but there was only a couple of things out there. Nothing was more. And you didn't know how close you were to lot eight. When he came to the gate that hit the fire and you saw the smoke, but it. Again, didn't have a cut up. blank, blank, okay, he's got it in there that they got to post their at physical 911 address. At third lot after yeah. And again, yeah. My next law. There's a lot or yeah, I have to watch not have to not have to get a subdivision, but I need slot and end within the subdivision. For the MS fire purposes. I think even have them on rare, and tiny fires make these smoke. Yeah, because they never thought about that. If they're not getting, postal, if they're getting the mass post office box, then there's no markings on the house that would give you any kind of even a street number. And then a lot like that went on the road, and they're in round here. I really tough on that. the word. Let's start. You like it looked a lot like that one already. But they're in Rome. You're totally tough for a half of what it was. What's the point? You're like, you're just fixing to say, 13 years old and Rome. There's a lot of emergency. It's really the job. The, okay. Okay. So is the thought that prior to the plan being, if this is part of the planning requirements. before the plant is approved that the Before the county would I'd have to re-read it. Before the county would accept the completion release of bond and that. That's not on that. No, identification. Yeah. I just think because 911 addressing won't be done until after lots of soul. I'll have to re-read that and see how they done it, but it is something they addressed in their regulations. It's part of emergency services. Yes. Okay. Well, we need to get a community in the mountains of Pekas. And say that's what that's like some of these subdivisions. I know one of them has to work to see. these in with the houses of the key codes. And say that's what that's like some of these some divisions. I know one of them has to first see. Deal that you can press to get in, but a lot of them don't. So and we don't have it spelled out in a regulation. So that's probably something that needs to be kind of spelled out. Okay. Maybe you pull up some of these some vision right now. We're gonna call you to get the new Ginkgo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that almost needs to be held somewhere within the county that any time that's changed or notified, the way they distribute it out to the fire. The other one though, they have a sick home from emergency personnel. Okay. they will never change that code. You can probably write that on the gated community that has been emergency code. I'm on them there, I'm on one code, whatever I never change that way it's all recorded. So if they call a fire department, they give the guy, I want to have Margie Coat, they get this beautiful, right? Punching anything together. Yeah, because right now we don't have that. Nothing really swell down. I mean, I do have a list of gate codes, but I gave it to the Sheriff's Department and I want to hear fire departments, but I don't know. You know, if they change it, I have no idea how much I'm going to get. Okay. All right, I think I got the gist of that. I know we've got a game. I got a link to that. The team there, the people got different gate codes. They make up straight black-ass phone, wherever you punch you go, any types of things you have, and they go straight to respond. So, what about the fearsome one? Not that kind of thing. Okay. I, I've got a couple pages worth of notes. Rooker, you still with us? Yes, I am. Okay. I didn't know if you're you on your third or fourth cup of coffee. I've only had half a bottle of Coke zero. Oh okay. It was it was a two-liter bottle. She's not saying that. Okay. I will get my notes put together and get those over to you. So you'll you'll kind of cross what we've kind of hashed out and worked out here. The thing that we didn't address, but I think is probably the next step is items that are within our hazard mitigation plan, our community wildfire protection plan and our SS4A plan. I think probably the summary pieces of that need to be incorporated in the requirements for the subdivision. Is that an accurate statement? Yes. Okay. I think that would probably be the topic for maybe our next workshop. And we can go through and break down those and provide you kind of an analysis of how what's going to be incorporated in the lane use plan based on those. Okay. That would that would be very, very helpful. Okay. So we'll get that done and we'll try. We'll have it to you. I think your next meeting is on the 28th. Actually the 27th. Okay, the 27th. Okay, we'll work that down and we'll have that to you all before then just in case if you have your next workshop that day. Okay, that would be great. That would be great. Work again. Thank you so much for your time today. Appreciate your patients with us and your wisdom and guidance. I've sent you all of those plans. I also sent you one for Jefferson County that they specifically. They specify flag lots and why they prohibit them. Okay. In theirs and they they give a really thorough breakdown. I sent you that one as well, as long with the Parker County and Guadalupe County. All right. Fantastic. I'll make a note that that was, would you say Jefferson County? Yes, sir. Jefferson County and I referenced the section in there. All right, great. Okay, thank you so much. Okay. Awesome. Just last round, the horn, any parting comments, anything. Okay, all right, very good. That concludes the business of the court today. We stand adjourned. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.