6, 2025 to order. Madam Clerk, please call the roll. Council Member Farias. Here. Council Member Hart. Here. Council Member Taylor. Here. Mayor Fertim Campbell. Here. And Mayor Bourne has an excused absence. Please rise for the pledge of allegiance by Council Member Taylor in remain standing for the invocation by Council Member Hart. Please join me in the pledge of allegiance to our great nation. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. Thank you to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, would never be in justice for all. We're creating together tonight in the spirit of service as we commit ourselves in the dedication principles of equality and liberty. We ask for blessings for our first responders, military, staff. We take your blessings as we go forward in a spirit of stability and the product of the emergency system. The city council met an executive session regarding the items list on the agenda. The City Council met an executive session regarding the items listed on the agenda. No action was taken. Is that correct, City Attorney? It is correct. Thank you. City Clerk, would you please make your announcement? Yes, per assembly bill 23, each thousand authority member is receiving a $50 stipend for conducting tonight's meeting. Thank you. Moving on to introductions, make believe Mayor Pro Tem a farious, would you like to make an announcement? Yes, I would like to welcome Commissioner Evan Berger from the Cultural Heritage Commission. Welcome. And also our planning commissioner, Mr. Ted Rosenfeld is present. Welcome. And also our planning commissioner, Mr. Ted Rosenfeld, is present. Welcome. Now moving on to presentations. Madam Clerk, please read the title of the presentation. Item B2 is recognition of deputy for stolen vehicle recovery record. Hello, perfect. Good evening with a police chief captain Justin Montano and Deputy Pavid Choi. Please come up to the podium. Our astounding chief will make a presentation. Thank you sir. Appreciate it. Well it's been three years here and I can honestly say this never gets old recognizing one of our finest deputies. We have, I'm not just saying that because I'm the chief here. We have so many good deputies and Pavla is just one example of it. So good union, mayor pro-tam, council member of city staff, just a Montana chief of police services. First off, I just want to thank the mayor, who I know is not here in the council for giving this award a recognition to just an outstanding deputy that serves our community. His name is Pauvid Choi, but he just likes to go by Choi. So if you see him, never mind the first name. So tonight we recognize his outstanding efforts in the area of stolen vehicle recoveries, which he the city in. This is a facet of law enforcement that may not always be at the forefront of our minds, but the impact is significant. Autotheph is a serious problem not just in our city or county, but the entire nation. Those tests have a devastating impact on the victims, cost them thousands of dollars in loss property and insurance premiums. Beyond the statistics, there is also the human element. Each recovered vehicle represents a victim whose life has been disrupted and whose sense of security has been violated. Deputy Choi here, he helps to restore that security and bring closure of those affected with every stolen vehicle he recovers. The recovery of a stolen vehicle does more than simply return property to its rifle owner. It disrupts criminal activity. It can prevent further crimes from being committed and it sends a clear message that crime will not be tolerated in San Juan Capastrano. Deputy Choice Dilligence, Investigative Skills and Proactive Approach have led a remarkable record of success in this area. Time and again, as efforts have resulted in the swift recovery of stolen vehicles, bringing relief to victims and contributing to a safer environment for all of us. And one of his many stands out to me is there was a car jacking. I believe in the city of La Habla. And last year, so if you guys know, somebody can't force or fear, took a car from somebody, ended up Deputy Choi found that car occupied by that suspect and arrested him for that crime. Not to mention he had, I think, weapons in the car and several other things that led to other crimes. So it's not just taking the car. He's actually arresting people and arresting the fruits of those crimes that come with it. So just an excellent job there. Overall, though, Deputy Choise extremely proactive and consistently demonstrates unwavering commitment to the safety and well-being of our entire community. His proactive work in all categories of crimes suppression, not just auto theft. A lot of it's often behind the scenes that everybody doesn't hear about. Plays a crucial role in maintaining the excellent quality of life that we have here in San Juan Capastrano. And I do want to say another story which he probably won't be happy with because he tried to keep it under wraps, but I think it's very important to show you what type of deputy we have here in San Lecapp strano. So I believe it was last week. 12-ish-year-old boy comes, knocks on our station. Hey, my bike has broke, my chain fell off, my tires flat. Can you help me? That'd be a choice. I'm like, hmm, well, meet me at the bike shop. Let's see if we can fix it. So the boy's pretty distraught. He's tired. They meet at the bike shop. Let's see if we can fix it. So the boy's pretty distraught. He's tired. They meet at the bike shop. Deputy Choi asks, hey, how much is this going to cost to fix all this? The guy says, oh, about $250. He's like, what? Well, why don't I just buy the kid a new bike? So he bought this kid a new bike and didn't want anybody to know. Didn't tell anybody. He told one person and that one person told me. But, you know, I tell that story because... Welcome to San Juan. That's amazing. The type of deputies that we produce here that has that big of a heart that he's a kid in need. And it's not like we get paid, you know, we get paid pretty hands only but still. To show that money means a lot. So, kudos to that and I tell that story just because to me it's what we strive to be as deputies, giving, carrying and giving back to our community. So just amazing when I heard that news and sorry to put you on blast but felt it was pretty good. And then lastly you did get this award recognition from the city that we're going to give right now but he was also recently honored by the Orange County Autothect Advisory Commission for his work in recovering stolen vehicles as well not just for the residents here but the entire county so it's just tremendous work by you so everyone if you can please help me congratulate Deputy Choi for receiving this well-deserved City Award-a-Rec Admission. It is with a deep appreciation for dedication and value services to the residents of San Juan Capastrano that the city council does hereby commend Deputy Choi on the sixth day of May 25 for your stolen vehicle recovery record. Please let's give him an additional round of applause. We're very important, we're very fortunate to have a presentation by Senator Blake Spears, staff member Maya for Deputy Detroit. Don't mind me, my voice is a little crackly. So on behalf of Senator Catherine. to 2019 and whereas drowning rains rains a leading cause of interrelated deaths among children under five in California with approximately 60 children in this age group losing their lives to drowning each year and whereas drowning incidents can occur silently and swiftly often as little as 20 to 60 seconds and whereas drowning can occur in as little as two inches of water, among infants under one year old, two-thirds of all drownings occur in the bathtubs. And whereas for every child who dies from drowning, another seven receive emergency department care for nonfatal submersion injuries, which can result in long-term disabilities. And whereas the themes of this year's water safety campaign always watch the water and never swim alone gives in-depth information that will be provided by staff on what Orange County residents can do to prevent drowning. And whereas the initiative set forth in the ABC's of Water Safety Program will increase public awareness regarding proper procedures to prevent this needless tragedy. And whereas the Orange County Fire Authority will be taking this opportunity to increase public awareness about drowning prevention through a robust community outreach campaign. And now therefore be resolved that the City of San Juan Capastrano Council does hereby proclaim its participation in the always watch the water and never swim alone, 2025 campaigns that kick off and mate and continue through August. By encouraging all families, parents, residents, schools, recreational vehicles, facilities, businesses, and homeowner associations to become partners in preparation by increasing their knowledge of proper safety measures in drowning prevention. There's like a few words, Shane. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem, thank, City Council and City staff. Yes, we do. I do receive a lot of different proclamations. But this one truly is my favorite one each year. Just to bring back drowning awareness to everybody, especially coming into these summer months, as anybody who has... I've seen the impact of these kinds of incidents to families and to people. and their life changing incidents, not only for the families and the people, but for ourselves and for the shares department or typically the first ones there. So it's a really big deal. And as we come into, we spoke about how the drowning truly does, it's a silent killer, right I say, children drown without a sound. It really is true. You never show up to these incidents and have the family say, well, yeah, I hang out inside while the kids swim. You know, I just, I was kind of waiting for this to happen. It was always, I was right there. I turned around for just one second or I went and grabbed my phone, came back out and found in this way. really that fast and it is traumatizing to everybody involved. Just some statistics because it does happen frequently in Orange County. We do get a decent amount of drownings. In 2024 there was 89 total drownings. In Orange County 45 of those were fatal unfortunately. 44 were non-fatal. Those are good. That means somebody found them, started CPR, did what they needed to do and saved them. In 2025, you know, it's been kind of a cooler year so far, but we already have had eight total drownings. Six of those being fatal, unfortunately. I will say, in 2024 and so far in 2025, San Juan has no drownings. So that is a really good thing. There's plenty of water in this city. So I think residents are doing a really good job of helping us as we're trying to get this word out there. It would be in safe. We do teach people just to practice the ABCs of water safety, which the A is just active adult supervision. If you have pools, if you're around pools, make sure that somebody, some adult, is watching all the kids and everybody in the water because they may all know how to swim, but a lot of times it's a slip and fall and a hit the head on the side of the pool type of thing that ends up happening. So make sure you have active adult supervision. The barriers are huge. Pool fences, if you have a pool at your house, pool fences decrease the chance of anyone drowning in your pool by 83% is what the stats say. So putting up those pool fences, you know, I know they're hard to take in and out and things like that, but they're very, very important to have a pool barrier, especially if there's little ones, grandkids, kids, whatever it is, and then see us taking classes. Classes is obviously for everyone to know how to swim, but also that CPR class is initial first aid because the incidents that ourselves or the sheriff show up to when somebody's began that CPR early, those are the people that end up being saved from these types of things. So, it's just really important, especially coming into the summer season that everybody's ready for summer and just to keep San Juan at zero drownings for this year too. So I appreciate it. Thank you very much for having me again. Thank you. Applause. Item B4 is proclamation to clearing May 2025 as National Historic Preservation Month. Good evening. Tonight is truly an honor to present this important proclamation declaring May 2025 as National Historic Preservation Month. We're truly fortunate to have historic neighborhoods, doves, structures, and many, many which are on the National Register of Historic Places and protecting them has always been a priority because they provide an opportunity to showcase history firsthand. I'd like to call Evan Berger of the Cultural Heritage Commission to the podium to accept the proclamation. Thank you, sir. You bet. Get it. You can't get out of here yet. Whereas historic preservation is the effective tool for revitalizing neighborhoods, fostering local pride and maintaining community character while enhancing livability and whereas historic preservation is relevant for communities across the nation, both urban and rural and for Americans of all ages, all walks of life and all ethnic backgrounds. And whereas the City Council finds that it's important to celebrate the role of history in our lives and the contributions made by dedicated individuals in helping to preserve the tangible aspects of the heritage that shaped us as a people. And whereas harnessing the power of place is the theme of National Preservation Month sponsored by the National Trust and Historic Preservation. And whereas cultural resources goal one of the city's general plan states that the city will preserve and protect historical, archaeological, and paleontological, paleontolic that word. Resources and promotion of public awareness will contribute to achieving this goal. And whereas the city council calls upon the people of San Juan Capastrano to join their fellow citizens across the United States in recognition and participating in the special observance. Now therefore be it resolved that the city of San Juan Capastrano Council does hereby proclaim May 2025 as national historic preservation month Would you like to say work? Please do So hi everyone. I'm Evan First time commissioner on the on the cultural heritage commission excited to be part of the group that's accepting this award. And this month for the month of May, we are investing in awareness campaign to bring awareness to the amazing volunteer led tours that the historic society puts on every Saturday and on May 31st We will be doing free tours at 10 a.m. And 1 p.m. That meet at the train depot Cool. All right. Thank you guys Okay. Before moving on to oral communications, I'd like to remind everyone that subject to a very limited exceptions under the state's open meeting law, the City Council is not permitted to discuss or take action on items that do not appear on the agenda. Now moving on to oral public comments or communications by the comments. Madam Clerk, do you have any requests to speak for them? Yes, I have Ted Fuentes, followed by Steve Demarold. Thank you. Purses wish you to address the City Council of the Housing Authority or its successor agency on any business that is not listed on the agenda may do so at this time. Speakers are asked to limit their comments to three minutes and provide name and place of residence if you wish. Madam Clerk, please call the first speaker. Mayor Potem. Councillor Mellon. Councillor Mellon. Councillor Perra. Councillor Perra. Councillor Perra. Councillor Perra. Councillor Perra. Councillor Perra. Councillor Perra with therapeutic horsemanship, join up therapy, trail rides, grooming, equine assisted therapy. And I do this out of Rancho Sierra Vista, a quest room center here in San Juan Cap strano. I have a Gulf tournament fundraiser coming up July 14th that I want to personally invite all of you to. It's called Dispersions Stripes Open. It's gonna be a great day. We're gonna do a golf and then we're gonna have our word, so many, excuse me, word ceremony and dinner followed by a country band. I'd also like to invite all of you down to the ranch to tour the ranch so you can see exactly what I do. No veteran or family member ever pays for services. We have an epidemic in this country, Capem Hart that I'm sure you're aware of. Our suicide rate in the veteran population is 43 a day. It's not 22. 43. Five states in our union track over doses and those veterans who aren't in the VA system as overdoses. California does not. We also have the largest population of veterans in state of California and Orange County here. We have 1.8 million veterans in our state. We work on Restorio Mental Health. We work on PTSD, anxiety, control issues. We restore families. And that's really what we're working on. Currently talking to the County of Orange, the Humvee Unit, about working with these men once they're released, helping them integrate back into society and just working through some of their issues that may have landed them in jail. We also have a huge problem in our state in Orange County with the ditch and these aren't throw away people and I will continue to work with them and again, I'd like to invite all of you over to the ranch and Captain horror, I'd like to coordinate with you on that. I did bring some handouts that I'll hand to the city clerk, one for each of you, if you don't mind. And if you have any questions or comments, you all have my phone number. But thank you very much. Mr. Fuentes. I'm Mr. Fuentes. Thank you so much for your work for our community, and especially for our military. I'm sure appreciate it. Thank you, sir. And I'm clear. Madam Clerk, could you please call our next speaker. Steve Bimmerwald. Hello, Council and citizens, staff. I guess Captain Montana was gone. I'm a crossing garden at Ambul and I was crossing guard here at Marco this afternoon at right by the Boys and Girls Club at Via Positiva. And I was telling Netease earlier, there was a point where I had kids on both sides of Via Positiva, four or five cars went straight through the crosswalk without even slowing down. I'm glad I don't work here on a regular basis, but I'm here tonight to speak about Ambulal and maybe all the crosswalks in October of 2023. AB. but I'm here tonight to speak about Ambul or maybe all the crosswalks. In October of 2023, AB 413 was passed in the state, saying a person shall not stop park or leave standing any vehicle, whether attended or unattended, except one necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with directions of a peace officer or official traffic control device. If any of the following places, within an intersection, accept adjacent to curves as maybe permitted by local ordinance on a crosswalk except that a bus engaged as a common carrier, taxi cab may stop. It's got a bunch of stuff. But basically what it goes on to say is you cannot park at an intersection within 20 feet of a crosswalk, which will be, I've been working at Ambul for 10 years out, amb well, two of the corners are at crosswalks, one on Cartagena and one on San Juan Creek. And people park on those corners, it's worse back on whatever the parallel street to San Juan Creek is because there's ADA ramps, they're all not red, and people park right on the corner in front of the ADA ramps, and I'm hoping that maybe the city can get out, especially there, but you could look at any school crossing, and within, I thought it was 15, but this says 20 feet of a crosswalk you cannot park at. And I get moms picking up their kids that park like I say right in front of the ADA ramp. And if you could paint the curves red out to 20 feet, it would make things much, much safer for the kids, parents, and crossing guards. Thank you. Thank you. Madam Clerk, do you have another speaker? I have one caller, Keith Webb, and I will call him up right now. you Thank you. the . one and two to have them move the hand kept parking the stairs and add stairs and EVA programs from the city-least parking area up to Communicapis Choner Road and where the hand kept parking was on the property would the ad stairs and EVA programs from the city's least parking area up to Communicapis Center Road and where the handicap parking was on the property would be set of handicap bathrooms but the plan to have changed in a substantial way. Phase one and two. Sorry. Phase one and two have been combined as one phase. The public has not been allowed to comment on this. The handicap parking, the ADA ramp, and the stairs have been removed from the project. The bathrooms have been moved to another area of the property, and nothing is planned at this point to be where the handicap parking is now. Meaning that the parking spot could stay in the parking space. where the handicap parking is now. Meaning that the parking spot could stay as it is now. And since this project and phases have been combined, there are now six parking spots in the city-least area that fall under the project with no handicap parking in the project. The question of the day is, is this the property same, more or less accessible to a person under ADA and other laws to a person with a mobility problem? The clear answer is no. The billing code states that the property campaign made less accessible to a person under the ADA. There is also the problem with trees being removed that do not need to be removed on city property due to the ADA ramps not being there. Yes, the Aguela way project helps speedy people, but this property in itself is going to be less accessible. I can go on with the other problems of this property, but the city cannot allow this to happen. City or San Juan Capustrano, how they state in this since least city property to the city is being used in this project and changed by this project. Also the people are now blocking the sidewalks when heritage barbecue is open. Which creates other ADA issues for the city. And for someone that has mobility problems. I asked the city to pull the permit and have the state access board look at the project. The opinions in this letter that I have written do not all come from me, but I've been discussed with the state and federal ADA builders and departments. All of them have said there are problems and that this project needs correction. I'm asking the city to reconsider this project. Please send up your comments. And to hold the permit. Sorry. Please sum up your comments. I ask the city to pull the permit or at least go to a task member or OVA board for this project to see if it is correct we don't. That's all, ma'am. Thank you. Have a good night. Thank you very much. Do you have any other speakers? I have no additional speakers. Very good. Now moving on to the consent calendar. Items on the consent calendar are considered routine and may be enacted by one motion in vote. Are there any requests for the City Council to pull any consent calendar items for discussion or abstain from voting? Madam Clerk, do you have any requests from the public wishing to pull an item from the consent calendar? Not this evening. Is there a motion to approve the consent calendar? So moved. Second. Is there any discussion on the motion? If no discussion, motion carries. We have to vote. We have to vote. Yeah. Does the same vote? Could you all in favor? Aye. All opposed? Passes unanimously. Now moving on to administrative items. Madam Clerk, please read the title of the item. Item F1A is plans and specifications for the Alipaz Street Payment Rehabilitation Project. Authorization advertised for construction bins. Maybe we have a staff report please. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, pro-ten members of the Council of Ben Seagal City Manager. I'm going to handle this one this evening with support from our senior civil engineer, Paul Meschkin, in the audience. Let me just first make sure I'm a hand on this one this evening with support from our senior civil engineer Paul Mechkin in the audience. Let me just first make sure I'm control. Okay, I'm controlling this. It's not typical that we come to you with a presentation on plans and specifications for a city street project, but this one is a bit unique and we have good news to report because the city staff, our engineering department actually received a grant, community development block grant for $450,000 to expand the scope of work for the All-Apaz Street Rehabilitation Project. So this is a street rehab project that we've envisioned. It's part of the council's major investment in arterial and local roadways. It's been occurring for the past several years. You've seen we've completed Camino Capastrano from Dana Point all the way up to Laguna and Gell. And then most notably this past year, residential streets throughout the entire community. And so now we're back to arterial roadways and we have a pretty significant project in the works that would address several arterial roadways. Now we're going to talk more about that at the budget workshop and some funding opportunities and constraints associated with that project, which will be a massive capital investment by the city. But one of the key roadways that's included in that scope of work is All-Apost Street. And several months ago we saw an opportunity to apply for grant funding. We thought this project would compete well. And in addition to doing some of your traditional street work, grinding overlay work, we saw that we could beautify this street with landscape, raised landscape medians, some sidewalks, some additional lighting, some crosswalk improvements, etc. So the staff went ahead and applied for that grant, we were successful for that. So we're here tonight to talk about that expanded scope of work because it is a grant we will need to extract that from the broader street project. So it has to have its own project number, its own accounting needs to be bid separately. So we're essentially taking a project out of a group of projects that would be handled independently. We'd like to construct the project at the same time, but for accounting purposes, it all needs to be done as a standalone project. This shows the effectively the scope of work, which is all a pause from Delavio into Delabisco. There's gonna be some minor slurry seal work north of Delabisco and then south of Delavio, but that's a smaller segment and doesn't require the same level of treatment. In addition to just repayment, the project includes accessibility improvements. I mentioned that the key enhancement would be the landscape medians, which will show you some renderings that we created. New sidewalk and street lighting. This is is in front of the ecology center. It would be Delavio into Via Positiva where there's currently no sidewalk. We can add sidewalk and add lighting to connect to the existing sidewalk call it north of Positiva. That's a gap that we've wanted to do for some time, but we've always been funding constrained. And then also we think we can improve the pedestrian mobility with crosswalk enhancements at the intersection of Delavio and Alapaz. With that, we know there's more activity in this area. You're seeing right now the skate park under construction. That will be open in a couple months last year. The council completed a $2 million upgrade into the sports park. We have a long-term lease with the ecology center, and so with just more activity, we think it would also be a prime opportunity to add a trolley stop at the intersection, or near the intersection. So this is a quick aerial of existing conditions showing the crosswalk. So you're looking at alipaz and Camino de la Vione and the existing crosswalk configuration, what we'd like to do is restripe the crosswalks. And then we're actually looking at maybe there's an opportunity to connect de la Vione and alipaz at call it. At the bottom of your screen is a Santa Margarita Water District building. I know you received an email about a crosswalk connecting to a bike trail there. We're looking at that. There's no sidewalk on that side of the street. So we're looking at whether that would be feasible, but we think that is something we should definitely explore as well. This would be the location for landscape medians. If we can, we think we can install four. There's a little more work to engineering work that needs to occur, but to the extent feasible we'd like to install four landscape medians. That's what the street currently looks like. This is just a quick rendering of what it would look like with the raised median and some native plantings. We have a native plant talent that we would utilize. The total cost of the project are estimate and we're pretty confident this estimate because we receive bids not too long ago for a broader project so we know what the quantities are priced at is $2.1 million with the $450,000 grant. It would take a $1.6 million city contribution. So what we're asking the council this evening is just to allocate that $1.65 million to this specific project so we can get going on bidding the project and hopefully have it under construction in fall. As I mentioned in two weeks we're going to have the budget workshop and we want to have a more holistic conversation about our streets funding and provide some options for the council to entertain about which of the archers you would like to move forward with and maybe you'd like to move forward with all of them this year but we will need some additional funding to do that. Under any scenario we need to do all of us because the grant requires that we complete it this year. So our recommended action this evening is to go ahead and approve those plans and specifications with the expanded scope which would be the landscape mediums, sidewalk, lighting, transfer the funding, create a separate CIP capital project number for this one, find that all these actions are exempt from CEQA and then direct us to return in two weeks with a more extensive conversation about our road program and some funding options for you. That concludes our presentation but both Paul and I are happy to answer any questions. Thank you City Manager. Does anyone have any questions from the council? Councilman Hart? Thank you. Mr. Mayor, Mr. City Manager, just a real brief one. We received several communications from residents in the area expressing a desire just for weighted trash bins or trash cans at the very southern end of the appository. the, in the project area, kind of south of Delavion, kind of near the dead end area, I think it's an area where people walk and walk their dogs and so on. Is there any way we could fit that under the budget there? Is that something that's doable? Or is maybe it's a separate budget item? I don't know. I We didn't include it in the scope in this design. I would just consider that as a one-off and what I'd like to do is confer with our public Work Director and return. We can talk about the budget workshop. I mean, if it's more substantial, like concrete trash can, there is a cost to cost to it I think it's something we can absorb but I know that Mr. Tomin is actually spoke with residents about that so I'd like to refresh on What some of the considerations were and then discuss it on May 20th if that's Acceptable the council sounds good Yes And this is the million six fifty I think it was. Is that included in the new sidewalk as well as all the paving? Correct. Okay. All right. Thank you. Any other questions? My only concern is the difference between when discussing going back to that that sidewalk, the elevation difference between what's currently there and the ecology center property, like right, well, not today, but previously when the fence was still there, you'd see kind of a build up of organic material on the ecology center side, which is natural because that's what they do. So that's my only concern is to make sure you construct it in a way where that material is not spilling onto this sidewalk in the future. Mr. City Manager, I have a question for you. Can you go back to the slide where it shows the overhead of the work being done, where it shows that water facility? Okay. If you were to look at all of Paws, you might say north of Dela, or I'm sorry south of Delaivion, will that street be repaved as well? It most likely calls for a slurry seal. So that will be accomplished at the same time? Correct. Is that correct? All the way to the dead end. Second question is because we've spent so much on our existing road infrastructure and we're bidding this with several other projects to be done. We're able to receive a significant economy of scale benefit for the volume that we've done. When you broke that, when you have to break this project out to fulfill the requirements of the grant, does that have an effect on this bid? It does, that's a good point. We prefer to bid it as one larger package, but unfortunately the grant requirements don't allow for that. Is the economy? It's still at $2 million. We still think we'll get competitive bids from strong proposals, but we also are planned to have major asphalt contractors in town doing work on the larger projects. So we think that they'll find that same economy by bidding on this project. So I would expect that you'll receive bids from the same three proposals, or same three bidders would just bid on our larger package. So we think we'll still find competitive bids would be the short answer. Thank you. Madam Clerk, do we have any requests to speak for them? No speaker's service. Is there anyone else that would like to address the council by phone? Is there anyone in the public that would like to address the council regarding this matter? Thank you. To council members? I didn't see. Yes, please come forward. Thank you. You have to wave really, really broadly for me to see you. Hi. I just wanted to ask a question about the lighting. You mentioned that there's going to be lighting all the way at the end of Alipaz. And my question is about, is there a possibility to put lighting further down Alipaz because it's dark on the whole street? And that's my only question. Thanks. So, thank you for that. The plans for this project call for lighting on the new sidewalk portion. So we can look at that it wouldn't be included in this budget I know that's come up before about lighting that section of all a pause to the to the trail Something we can look at but it wouldn't be included within this budget to be a separate item Okay, thank you Is there any other Thank you. The council members have comments or points of discussion concerning this item. Seeing none is there motion concerning this item? I'll move for staff recommendation. Second. Is there any other discussion on the motion? No other discussion all in favor? Aye. Opposed? Passage unanimously. Now moving on to the housing authority. City Council will take a recess and turn the meeting over to the chair of the housing authority. Thank you Mayor Pro Tem. I now call the San Juan Capestrano Housing Authority regular meeting of May 6th, 2025 to order. The record should reflect the roll call taken previously at the City Council meeting. Consent calendar. Items on the consent calendar are considered routine and may be enacted by one vote. Does anyone wish to remove a consent calendar item for discussion or abstain from voting? Saying no one. Is there a motion approved that consent calendar? So moved. Second. I have a motion a second. All those in favor? Aye. I propose. It is unanimous. There are no board actions scheduled this evening. Commissioners have any comments. Seeing none, this meeting is adjourned to Tuesday, June 3rd, 2025 at 5 p.m. For the public business session in the City Council chamber located at the community center. May or I turn those meeting back over to you. Thank you, Councillor Margot Taylor. Now moving on to Council Action Items. Madam Clerk Clerk, we have a 250th anniversary of the city. Madam Clerk, please read the title of the item. Yes, item H1. Parade. The Deonza rioters have committed to present seminars discussing on early Spanish history as well as to participate in the Swallow's Day Parade. The rotary has discussed offering to offset those costs. We've received strong potential support from the Bowers Museum to put a curated display in the community center. We've had discussions and hoping to get council support to use our city trolleys either quarterly or monthly to have a midweek dose and guided tours starting at Pituittum and driving throughout the city to talk about our rich history. Perhaps some temporary signage on the trolley's promoting the commemoration. Potential participation of the city's annual Fourth of July celebration was speakers and cultural dancers. We've been approached by the Multimuseum and they've offered to help regarding a hands-on activities and displays for children's participation. A subcommittee will be meeting with Capastrona School, United States School District, Elementary School principals to engage our fourth graders in a possible banner competition. We'd like to have a monthly lecture series in the community center. So experts can explain our rich history. Stella Cardoza has offered to offset the speaker costs. So here's the ask from the council. I'm looking for council support to make the celebration a city event using city facilities and permission to engage city staff with long range planning. Use of the community center for a lecture series and a potential curated museum display from the power. Use of the two item andem and Townsender Park for kickoff celebration, permission from the Council for the SJC 250 Committee to have a booth at No Charters during the Summer Concert Series and Fourth of July celebration to raise awareness for the ongoing events and also to raise funds by selling hats and t-shirts. Use of our trawlies for quarterly or monthly historical tour, starting up a two-item and making stops at historical sites in the community. Permission to hang banners for 11 months in the downtown quarter and on Delabespo, but tension on the other side of the freeway as well. These banners will be two-sided. One-site promoting the mission's well-established plans for the celebration. The opposite side to promote the city's recognition in plans. We've already received a commitment from a strong financial commitment of support from the mission, as well as fundraising by the Chamber of Commerce has begun for sponsorship of these banners. Because of liability issues, it makes the most sense to have our Christmas decoration contractor to do the banner installation. To offset costs, we would like to consider having the banners installed at the same time so the banners would go up from November through, I guess, early or early December. And we're requesting and we'd like to offset, considered offsetting the cost of that to have as the Christmas decorations come down in early January. Let me restate that please. The banners would be up from early January through November of 2026. So at the same time our contractor is taking down the Christmas decorations, we're in hope that they can put up the banners at the same time. And again, take down the banners before installation of the 2026 holiday season. With Council approval to move forward tonight, the SJC 250 will continue putting together budgets to guide their fundraising efforts. I'll be requesting at the budget meeting on May 20th consideration for the city to offset staff times and some other costs. By no means is it the intention of the committee to have the city of San Juan Capastron or bear the brunt of all expenses regarding this celebration? There's already an active fundraising committee engaged and we've already had several community members come forward to underwrite many of the potential avenue activities and the mission is generously committed to offset a portion of the production costs of banner expenses. I request the council support to allow the city to accept SJC 250 donations from our supporters. This will allow the potential tax deductions for those donations. Nicole Watson of the Boys and Girls Club has formed a finance committee to manage that process with the goal of minimizing our staff time. The process will be fully transparent. Farbers and merchant bank will be handling the checking account for the committee. That concludes my report. Are there any questions that I might answer? Yeah, Mr. Mayor Pro Tem. What's the, there's probably best asked of city manager. But what's the anticipated staff time on this for the planning portion? I unfortunately can't provide an answer. It sounds open-ended. So that's the one part that gives me a little anxiety, which is I'm just not no concerns with use of city facilities opening up, breaking down chairs, making them available. I'm not clear on what city staff planning effort involves. So that was one of my questions. If I could address that question. The intention of the committee is to do as much pre-planning as possible. When it comes to scheduling for the facilities, for the community center, that of course is going to take staff time. Any ideas with the committee would be working with staff regarding the Fourth of July celebration, which would probably be one of the more intense as far as staff participation. The committee would be going out and if they were to be able to get perhaps indigenous speakers, indigenous dancers to perform, it would be within the parameters of what the existing schedule is with the city. So it would be more of a, as far as staff time would be more concerned with scheduling and getting approvals for certain calendar dates, that sort of thing. And, but we, the committee, at this point, it appears very likely the committee would not be relying on staff as far as planning the events and Obtaining speakers for the speaker bureau and that sort of thing Mayor both them please so I think Like just kind of looking ahead a motion that I would be supportive of is I think that's the question We should be asking of staff is calculate what the cost might be of the trial use. Obviously we would likely be waving the fees for facility uses because it is in celebration of our city. But my question to you mayor for a time would be the banners. So I know if you plan on banners over like Ortega Highway then that would take staff coordination with with our state. So would you avoid those areas are you only trying to do downtown because that would suggest you probably just avoid Ortega Highway. Absolutely. That'll reduce the cost. That's correct. And also just all the logistics of it. It sounds like it's almost just trying to schedule everything out within the committee and then letting staff know like if you were going to have a wedding party here on a Saturday or whatever you're using. That's correct. The part from that it would be like just calculate the cost of what the trolley use would be. That's a great point. As far as the speakers bureau, those, depending on availability, those events would be held on Sunday afternoons, which I believe is less impacted as far as the community center is concerned. The use of the community center for the powers, the potential powers art museum display would be a static display that would stay there, that would remain there. And we're under all hopes and anticipation of the boroughs museum underwriting those expenses and costs. There may be some staff and cost involved if we're to have to run power up against the windows, let's say, or something like that would be a one time cost that would be incurred by staff. I think the opportunity it presents for our city is to be able to make a commitment to this a very significant milestone of 250. And it's going to not only and it mirrors mission's goal of celebrating the 250th as well as our nation celebration of 250. Mayor Pro Tem. Yeah, I want to ask the city manager, would we have time to prepare something for the budget meeting on the 20th to look at this at that budget meeting too. And I commend you for the work you've done on this. It really sounds like a great year of events and very interesting. I'd love to hear some of the guest speakers and things like that. But I'm concerned about making a commitment tonight without seeing what our budget is on the 20th. It would be able to look at that and say okay we can afford to allocate this amount of money or something on those kind of terms. can do that. What comes to mind at first blush is there's a direct cost associated with use of the trawles that wouldn't be eligible for reimbursement through OCTA. So that's a direct cost for the drivers and the fuel. There might be some other direct costs as Mayor Pro Tem explained. the, whether it's overtime at city events, what I would want to flesh out is city staff involvement in meetings just because it's a very small community services staff. So city staff involvement in meetings or providing like staff support, I would want to avoid. I would want to avoid staff being the liaison between this committee and potential performers and talent. If it is a matter as council member Freya said, hey is the community center available on October 15th from 5 to 9? Of course that's something that we can provide. And if the council wanted us to staff to have part time staff there at night to close up the facility that's something something you could allocate as part, there's a direct overtime cost or you know, staff cost to do that. And we can provide, if we have a sense of what those hours would be, we can provide a cost for you at the budget workshop. The other one just to call their attention, we did not hang banners this past holiday season because the engineers expressed a concern with wind loads, so we actually didn't have banners over Delabisco and Dela Bisco and Dela Bisco and Dela Vione this year. So if you want to do banners at that intersection, we would want to do an engineering study to make sure we have a safe the committee is considering or would not span the width of this street. Just on street. Just on street. On the street. So it would just be the cost of the contractor to install this. Sorry, my son. But my understanding then the banners and cells and the apparatus to hang them would be supplied by The committee or the goal is to use and that's something again that They're my my my real ask here is at this point the committee Incredibly committed folks that have gone together and put in a tremendous amount of work I'm at a point or the committee is at a point right now that we can't answer those questions or find out more information without Council Direction to move forward to allow us the opportunity to speak with staff because at this point we haven't been able to Mr. Tomas very kind enough to send me a Survey of the street poles in town. So that but that's really the extent of city involvement I've had one brief conversation conversation with Heidi, you know, our commission or their staff member that runs the park to some recreation. So we're really at this point, I'm not quite sure until I can have those conversations if there's adequate apparatus to hang the banners. The goal, the hope of the committee is that there's existing apparatus that we can design banners around and use the existing infrastructure that we have to hang up our crystal decorations if that's even possible. But we don't know those type of things until we have the opportunity to contact staff. And at this point, we can't do that without council direction. So if I might make a suggestion, I will be putting together numbers, trying to understand more about the cost that involved. I'd be happy to work with staff as well to try to come up with an idea of what that expense would be. But I will be making a presentation at the budget workshop regarding this. I don't have a solid perspective of what that might be, but I can assure you we're not looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars to run this. We're trying to keep the cost of the city at a minimum, and the committee is really committed at fundraising and offsetting all the costs. And we've already had a significant amount of community stakeholders come forward. The Multimuseum, Bowers, Ms. Cardosa with her, the Speaker's series, that doesn't eliminate staff costs. That's all there is to it. But there's a lot of those expenses are being absorbed by the committee itself. So, and let's say we only do fundraising and Michelle Lawrence of the mission has been very supportive of the organization and is offered to offset some of the costs of the banners. If it turns out that we only have enough money for 50 banners, you know, we'll buy 20 or if we only have enough for 10 banners, that's what we'll get. So the committee is really going to work hard within those parameters. The Chamber of Commerce is also partnering with us to go to the local business community and try to help acquire funds and have some type of a printed material that would go along with the celebration. Yeah. So that sort of the challenge is, in my commitment to you, is to come up with the dollar amount at the budget committee, you know, the budget workshop. But it's hard to do that without direction from the Council to move forward. Yeah, and I guess, and I hear from the city manager and I know that, you know, we have a very limited staff where we were on a pretty, mean staff here. I mean, it's 56 people, is that what we're at? Full time, just about. And I guess the only thing I want to clarify is it, less of a cost issue and more of a staff resource issue for me. So for example, there's only one Heidi. And that same Heidi is putting on our summer concerts and the 4th of July and the skate park planning event and the city hall planning. There's several events. So if it's something that requires five to ten hours a week of Heidi's time, it's not so much that I'm worried that we're going to get, not going to get reimbursed for that time, it's that Heidi can't accommodate an extra five to ten hours a week for an extra planning exercise. So that's what I would want to get a better understanding of as we move forward if that's Council's pleasure. Yeah, and that's what I would just be aware of. Absolutely. It's a very good point. Yeah, I'm totally supportive, and I just don't want to load too much on the staff that we, you know, that we, like as far as like banners and stuff, I would probably go to a banner company independently of the city, find out what it costs for the whole banner, the apparatus, and to hang it, and then go to the city and say, you know, is there any way we can do this? And then off say, you know, if we do it during during the time that The contractors putting up the Christmas decoration and try to coordinate that find out you know try to try to move these Steer these things away from a Staff person having to Take the time, you know, that's a it's a good half a day We're the work to try to get that coordinated and stuff, you know And And also, you're working that way. Working that direction. It's also important to make sure that we don't expose to say to any additional liability for doing this. So we've already got professional installers that are putting up and taking down crisis decorations. And to have an additional function will definitely be, will cost us more, no question. But rather than to have a contractor go out there, block the streets to whatever they have to do to just for the sole purpose of putting up a banner is most likely going to be more expensive than having the banners installed as the Christmas take, decorations either go up or down. I mean that's our perspective and again with the opportunity to discuss those expenses with staff, it'll give me a better chance of putting together budget numbers for that for the project. Do you have any other questions? Madam Clerk, do you have any requests to speak for them? Yes, I have one speaker, Stella Cardo. Good evening Mayor Pro Tem and members of the City Council. I am here as a member of the San Juan Capastrano 250 Committee to support the celebratory events that will be taking place from October 25, 2025 through November 1, 2026. Our goal is to celebrate the rich history and cultural heritage of the first peoples and early California settlers in and around Mission San Juan Capistrano, a landmark that has been a cornerstone of our community for two and a half centuries. The committee under the leadership of Jan Siegel and Councilman Campbell has been working for several months planning numerous events, including historical reenactments, cultural exhibitions, a museum exhibit, a lecture series, and community gatherings all designed to honor the legacy and contributions of San Juan Capistrano from its earliest days. We believe that this commemoration will not only pay tribute to our past but would also inspire future generations to appreciate and preserve the unique character of our city. Your support and participation in these events are crucial to our success. Thank you for considering our request and we look forward to collaborating with you to make this celebration a memorable occasion for all residents and visitors. Thank you. Thank you. Madam Clerk, do we have any other speaker slips? No. Thank you. Would anyone like, in the audience like to have a comment? What is this? I don't know if you're up here. I just want to remind everybody, I think most of us were around when we were talking about when Jen and Judy... The 50th anniversary of our city hood was in 2011, and Jen was responsible for organizing a group that did similar stuff but not on the scale. But it really did bring the community together around our town. And I think this will be a very similar feeling on just a bigger scale. I still have a t-shirt from that 2011 thing that I happened to wear to our first committee meeting. And I just think this is going to be a good thing for the town, and especially for kids, to realize, you know, 250 years is a pretty big milestone. So I hope you guys can get on board and back this committee and Jan. Thanks. Thank you, sure. Madam Clerk, is there anyone that would like to address the City Council by phone? No, ma'am. Got ten. Is there anyone else who would like to address the council? Okay. Thank you very much. Do council members have any comments or points of discussion concerning this item? I would, may I have a vote, please. Councillor Ministers, I'm serious. I would try to make a motion here. Would you prefer to make it? Please do. Okay. I would like to direct staff to explore the costs of that the city would incur from hosting museum pieces, on site, the cost of the trolleys, to explore clarification about what the city's staff commitment to the committee is. I would also include invitation to all of our elected officials, including our governor and past governors. Steve Bemmerle just mentioned the 50th Governor Brown, I believe, visited San Juanca, strano at the time. So I would make those invitations to be part of that celebration. It sounds like, now making comments. It sounds like part of what you kind of help Mayor Pro Tem was to create a self-sufficient committee that would minimally require staff time. I think it just needs clarification from us and from our staff of what the obligation is on our side so that we can figure out if it's simply the use of facilities. In fact, I'm sure part of that could be one of our city staffers and it doesn't have to be a high level staffer could show one of the committee members how all these things work up here. So that we wouldn't need to use them or call on them to operate our this facility which I think we've built it with that purpose that anyone renting it would be able to use it. Although I have been in here and there's been some issues so I would just say that if you're going to have this amount of events that there's probably going probably going to be someone on that committee that's going to figure out how all this stuff is used pretty well. I don't think about, I don't know if you want to amend that, but that is- Could I get some clarification, Councillor Neill-Faris, and with the city manager as well. It'd be better if the committee made a list, organized a list of what they want the staff or the request of the staff rather than the staff having to come up with the staff time? That's a lot of staff time as it is. It's more, to put the planning in the realm of the committee and not the staff and then present the staff with, okay, we need X amount of days of this and this and this. We need trolley service 12 times during the next two years for one you know we need the community center 12 times. Yeah I think you find in the documents I've provided to you was a proposed use of city facilities list. Yeah and and that shows that potential dates and the city facility that we would be requesting and whether or not there be any participation as far as the city is putting up tables and chairs or that sort of thing. We've been, I've been approached by J. Sarah High School. They have volunteered, they're volunteering to tell us, put together, you know, to, and as long as that, again, this is all about getting to be able to talk to staff about this. We do have volunteers that are more than happy to put together stack displays for each individual speaker as far as the speakers series, put up tables and chairs, that sort of thing. So it's something that the committee is really interested in. The committee as a whole is trying to do everything we can to have a phenomenal celebration of this event and try to minimize staff costs. And it does not fall on deaf ears on the committee perspective. We have, I believe, 15 or 16 people and their goal is every time they present something that, hey, what if we did this? What do we do that? You know, if you look at that, what we're requesting from CUSD is, and basically all they're doing is they're putting together a meeting for us with the elementary school principals, and we're trying to reach out to St. Margaret's as well, or other, you know, capel Christian to get their kids involved in this. They have a banner competition. So those are things that, while, excuse me, banners cost money, really what we're doing is we're trying to engage the youth of our community in what's going on for the celebration. And we're trying to do such couched in a way to minimize expense and cost for it. Yeah, so, but I guess what I'm asking is that maybe I would rather not put this on the, it seems we're pushing the planning on to our staff. I know but I know what I'm saying is like as as example on your you know October 25th speakers Steve Rios, Chris Lobo, wine production okay so on that day we're gonna use the community center on the Sunday from 12 to 2. 2 to 4 we're gonna need oh yeah whatever it is and and then we're gonna to use the community center on the Sunday from 12 to 2. 2 to 4. We're going to need, oh yeah, whatever it is. And then we're going to need to open up the community center and the people who have required for that. So you would be able to tell and then have that whole, have that list already made out as to what we need. What are our questions? Including, because staff members. Yeah. Including trolley, including insulation, yeah. Sure. including staff members. Yeah. Including trolley, including insulation, banter. Yeah, sure. That way it isn't put on the city staff to have to figure out the whole planning process of how much time it's going to take. I don't know, but that'd be helpful in a situation like that or am I? No, I'm struggling. This is a little on Orthodox press. What I'm more accustomed to is to counsel a green on a program or a set of programs or a set of events and directing staff to go carry out those events. But this feels more like staff involved in the brainstorming and program development process and if I'm missing everybody. That's not what so all I needed, I mean the direction was for you to figure out what so this there is an outline kind of what the dates are, but I'm guessing that's kind of fluid because it looks like on their, there's invitations. That might change. So all I want you to figure out with the committee is what are there needs of staff? Because it sounds like staff involvement's big and it'd be pretty minimal. It may not be one of your senior staff members that has to come in here to open facilities. I think it sounds like that's not going to be that's not what the request is but I want you to go figure out if that's what they're asking or not. I would rather not constrain you with figuring everything out. I want you to go figure out what are their needs and then report back to us. Is this feasible and what the cost are? Do you have the staff time for it? Yeah. In a future city council meeting. Yeah, I think we're kind of getting a little bit in the weeds here. Got a list of stuff. And I'm going to channel my inner Donald Rumsfeld here. So you might remember him from history. What we have are the known, known, known, known, the unknown, known, known, and the known, unknown, something like that, the unknown, known, and they're all gonna pop up, right? So, what we have here is a list of stuff, and we have a small staff, and we think that this is a stuff we're going to do. Some of it will drop off because that's what happens. Other stuff will pop up. What we need, given your expertise a city manager what you get paid Big bucks, okay medium bucks for Is take a look at this list say okay given all these known knowns unknown knowns etc etc Give me an estimate of what you think it will take them for staff time Yeah. Yeah. and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and We give the city manager and we do the process. And we, that therefore he's, you know, they're not required to do the planning because there's a lot of questions that aren't spelled out here that the people who are putting all these events on the committee would be able to say we think we're going to need four staff members. And then that way you have a compilation of hours needed, staff requirements, trolley's needed, facilities needed, all those things we present that to the city manager, he can look it over then, and then it would be something that's much easier to look at rather than, it seems to me like if you say we have a year worth of events been, we want your staff to figure out how much time is going to take. You have to go through a lot of interpretation of that they don't have that information. Because that's the kind of thing. Well, in the next meeting, the schedule that's been set is, I would not say it's stone cold, but when you're looking at people that are making the speakers of our speakers be able, those have already been confirmed. So the dates are open because we up until hopefully soon we'll be able to check with staff and see what's on the it's available. The goal is to have a speaker every month. The goal is to have a trolley once a quarter. If it just goes crazy and everybody loves it and the troughs are full to add on for trullies. So, but I The goal is to have a trolley, what's a quarter, if it just goes crazy and everybody loves it and the trolley is your full to add on for trolley. But I'd be happy to work with staff and try to put together an idea as far as what those, what that might evolve. It's a very good point, Councilman Taylor, that we want to have as good of an idea as possible upfront and that's the's the reason for my request coming at the budget workshop to say, okay, here's where we are, here's where we think we're going to be and make a request at that time for council consideration. Yeah, I just think that you guys, the committee's more adept and able to say what they're going to need rather than somebody from the outside being a staff member who doesn't know what the intention is of the committee. Right. They're going to have to then have to interact and then they're going to be like totally taking their time to do a lot of the planning. Rather than that, I would rather see us present a list of items that we request from the city, including funding, you know, and then we look at it at the budget workshop and see whether it would work or not. I think it can make the right sound. I think it can make the right sound. I mean opportunity. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe the city manager has a thought about that. I don't know. I just heard different things. I just heard that. I don't know. Compositions heard different. I mean is it what I can do is come up with an hourly rate for a part-time facility monitor who would help with setup and breakdown and I can provide an hourly rate and then you can just multiply it by however many hours you think you need per event per month quarter, etc. We can come up with an hourly rate for trolley use. We can share what our hourly rate is for the vendor that takes up and puts down holiday decorations so we can provide some unit costs and then you can just extrapolate based on the ultimate agreed upon hours that the council is comfortable with. And then you have the costs associated with that. And I think I've made my point about the limited staff hours regardless of whether that cost is reimburseable or not. But we're happy to help and follow the council's direction whatever it may be. And I can certainly happy to come back with that information. Otherwise, I would need for May 20 some more specific direction of what you would like me to calculate for May 20th. That makes sense. Yes, I'd make a substitute motion that the city manager provide pricing for various items for this celebration and then the committee would allocate those numbers to each of the events and then come back prior to May 20th possibly if you can so that we can look at it with our overall budget workshop. We'll have a... It's an accent to the two, because it was... Oh, it wasn't even not a second. Oh. budget workshop. That's a motion. It's not a sentence, because it was not a second. Oh, yeah, that's right. There was no second on that one. Is that okay with you? John, I don't want to. I second the motion. Okay. Yeah. That makes perfect sense. Okay. So the challenge just to understand that the vast majority of these, the vast majority of worth that's being done by this committee is using community assets as in a park, as in a community center, that sort of thing. And the committee has been very focused on minimizing costs from the city. So with with saying that there will be expenses from the city in support We need so let's quantify you know I agree in the sense that we're good and going to quantify is to the best of our ability those costs and and then be able to make a report at the May 20th meeting. Yeah, okay, that sounds good So we have a do we have any other further discussion? So I see a card. Could you read the motion, please? I get to ask you that now Next we can all so much The motion I have is for the City Mayor should provide pricing for or conducting the celebrations, allocate a number to allocate for that to bring back to the budget meeting on the 20th. City of Marriage would it be appropriate to amend that motion to allow a certain amount of time for the committee to communicate with staff regarding those expenses or regarding those requests or I do it's the motion on the floor Well, yeah, I mean I think I think the You know, I mean it doesn't I don't think it has to be a set in stone You know it has to be fairly accurate, you know, which your committee probably could do and then you know then we then you'd come up to a number, and that number would be discussed at the budget workshop. So maybe it's $50,000 or $20,000 or whatever it is, whatever that number ends up being that the committee comes up with because we need these people in this place and all those items that you come up with for each of these events. Then we submit that to the city. So my idea, my thought is that we would get that information to the committee prior to the March 20th workshop so that they have time to figure out, you know, speakers, Steve Riotson, Chris Lobos, wine production October 25th we need set up and breakdown so two people on a Sunday from two to four or whatever it is Community Center X amount of dollars and then you know the city manager could or somebody could look at that and say oh Yeah, we don't we don't need two people. We only need one person or whatever But at least it gives us a ballpark when we come back to budget workshop day and Figure that out. So, very good, thank you. Is there any other discussion? I'd like to all for vote, all in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passed unanimously. Now moving on to city council reports. Is any Any council member do you have any reports? One quick report. I got a tour yesterday of the skate park and then we'll do better get your skate board tuned up because you're going to be dig in this one. That skate Park is going to be fantastic. I mean, oh wait. So anyway, I just want to say how thankful I am. The staff has done an incredible job. It's just going to be very, very cool. That's all. Okay. Any other reports? Now moving on to the city manager report. City manager, we do please. Do you have a report to provide? Thank you, nothing further. Thank you very much. The meeting is at, we may now adjourn the meeting. The meeting is adjourned to Tuesday, May 20th at 3pm for executive session and 5pm for the public business session. City Council chamber.