Okay, let's call this meeting to order. This is a regular scheduled community redevelopment agency of Book of Retone meeting. Today is Monday, May 12, 2025. The time is 1.30pm and the meeting is called to order. Please everyone rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under the House, in visible liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Mississidants, please call the roll. Chair Wickeder. Here. Vice Chair Thompson. Thank you for being here. Commissioner Drucker. Here. Commissioner Naclas. Here. Commissioner Singer. Here. All present. Thank you very much. Mr. Brown, are there any amendments to the agenda? No amendments this afternoon. Thanks very well. Are there any corrections to the minutes if not all entertained a motion to approve the minutes of April 21st, 2025? So moved. Second. Second. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. There are no presentations today, nor are there any quasi-judicial or related public hearings. So now we'll go for the CRA to be time for public requests. Anyone wishing to speak on issues related to our community redevelopment agency will have the opportunity to speak, state your name and address for the record record and limit your remarks to three minutes. Seeing no one come forward, we will close the time for public requests and proceed to resolutions and regular public hearings for which there are none, nor are there any other businesses or settlements to consider. So we will turn to our directors's report and I'm very excited to introduce Mr. Brown. Thank you, Chair. We're doing Zach Behrer. Public Works and Engineering Director is here to make a presentation on our ongoing mobility updates, particularly with regard to an autonomous vehicle pilot project. Thank you, but Mr. Beard, welcome. Good afternoon, CRH Air and Commissioners. Zach, your public works in engineering director. As stated, really quick, we're gonna go through some background on the latest on Boka Connect, the extension update, and also the Gu autonomous vehicles. So Boka Connect was approved by the CRA Commission and recently expanded to the portions of the Bear Island in late February 2025 and really quick just to reiterate for anybody watching trips must begin and end in the Red Service area. So my trip can go anywhere from the blue area to the red area and vice versa with a nominal fare of $2 per ride and one for each additional rider and then rides that begin and end in the red area are free of charge. And really quick on the ridership expansion. As you can see the program and progress has developed over the, from the inception to the program and the latest data that we have available that is complete and published is March 2025 with a total rise of 2030 and total passengers of 3131 with a average wait time of 8 minutes and 55 seconds. So over time, the program continues to develop and we've seen a progressive increases in ridership and certainly it appears as though the continued promotion of the Boka Connect is getting out and seeing ridership. So now, this to be our third interrupt. Yes sir. On the last slide, was the date where we introduced barrier island service, was that right at the February to March difference? Yeah, there was, it was in February, but March's data does show the inclusion of the bear island ridership. Right. Is that in your opinion, could that be why there's such a significant jump on that date? It's generally possible, but I don't have the specifics of the data if that's where the direct bump is coming from. Okay, sorry. That's great. We ask you a question to some of the slide, please. Mr. Be please. The total rides mean the number of times that vehicle was occupied prior person. So am I right in thinking it's roughly, you know, take March. It's roughly three to two ratio. So what do I have people per each time the vehicle had a passenger in it? Generally speaking, that's the breakdown of the data. the rides as trips and then the passengers is those actively on the vehicle. I'll put it out of the way. It's not counting trips if there's no one in the vehicle. That's my understanding. I can clarify that with staff. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So it's a combination of elements. of course is the CRA Commission charges with both providing the service of the residents and then also maximally utilizing our pilot program to evaluate the develop and utilize the data because there's a massive amount of information that becomes available with the circuit ridership. They're constantly collecting metrics, data, starts, ends and trips. And so I wanted to share with you just the overall heat map. Of course, we could provide additional zoomed in details. But one of the elements that's been emerging is, as you can see, the concentration of red in the downtown area is a lot of trips happening within that downtown region. And so staff is really trying to evaluate options to look at a mix, to capture those trips internally in the downtown, and then also be able to supplement with bringing people within and out of the downtown. So a combination of obviously the very high density into the downtown, and then those that we would expect to see as you move out away from the downtown trips to and from. So that brought us to evaluating the autonomous vehicle pilot program that we've got before you today, which is the hybrid mobility model of a combination of a fixed route shuttle, looping within the CRA area that complements our existing on-demand service. So as stated on the previous slide, a combination of moving people into the downtown and then providing them a fixed route shuttle to be able to move without getting back in their car, move from one area to the downtown to another. It also has the potential to address a peak demand gap. And from staff's perspective, a starting small and then scaling it over time is our recommendation for the most effective way to be able to have a successful implementation. And then also it's a step towards embracing a technology for enhancements and innovations. Generally, we heard that at strategic planning. And it's just a serendipitous to bring this before you as a Technology that staff has been working on for many months and evaluating all possible options To to bring this before you today really quick just showing some of the elements that we've been Been evaluating you can see the inside of the vehicle one of the benefits is there has the opportunity for advertising within the autonomous vehicle unit, which I could ask the city attorney in advance, but generally it's our understanding that that wouldn't be in conflict with the city sign code. So an opportunity to get advertising revenue while individuals riding in the vehicle. Also, it could provide them locations, dining restaurants, et cetera, to be able to provide good information. And then below, you just see the sensor technology that goes with the vehicles, which is a picture of LIDAR. That's how the vehicle generally has, or is one of its sensing technologies that is generally the vehicle's eyes to be able to steer. It also uses camera technology. Again, the Mika specifications, I won't spend a lot of time on this slide, but highlighting the current compact vehicle as an eight passenger seat. It's not in rows like a bus style, but has them in bench style thinking about sitting around a table at a restaurant, which is I think is a much more elevated experience for those passengers and has a charge time of about 55 minutes to continue operation. You can certainly come back to that if there's other questions, but that is the plan vehicle on the route. One of the really fascinating elements of guidance business model is to use remote controlled operators. I have personally seen their main headquarters and command center where people, joke it's in police and any of the other first responders, they usually use an Xbox controller because that's what people are most familiar with. But they have that and they can log on, tie into their remote vehicle, and then take over as necessary. We've also done a pilot ride over at FAU's parking lot where the rider took over and was able to navigate in the event that the automated system is unable to manage an issue or something that arises. And I would really like to note as well, questions come up about the technology currently in West Palm Beach, Florida. The launch date was April 16th, 2025. Guided and circuit partnered together on a .9 mile designated route with six stops in and around the downtown. Or sorry, in the downtown, excuse me. And when staff was at the command center evaluating information with Guided, they were able to pull it up on the screen and staff could watch in real time as the vehicle navigated in West Palm. So we staff has visuals that that vehicle is up and operating. Then with the Jacksonville Transportation Authority I think they have some larger aspirations as it is the transportation authority. They're in design and testing phase for the Bay Street Innovative Corridor which is a a three-mile loop and has 14 autonomous transit vehicles with a 10-minute vehicle headway. So that is a much more robust program that is being put forward by the Jacksonville Transportation Authority that Guident is involved with. So what is the pilot proposal? Staff is proposing phase one, which is a level for autonomous vehicle within the .5 mile loop in Meisenpark. We again highlighted the element of starting small. It would have four to six designated stops and would be a collaboration using the existing circuit contract to have guidance be part of that, a men the circuit contract to have guidance be part of that and engage in a three month pilot program. Then for the potential next step, we could finalize the operational parameters, amend the circuit contract, and guidance would apply for a permanent approval with the U.S. Department of Transportation and the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration that may take several months. And I think one of the elements that staff keyed in on for the starting small is that process is not easy. We have identified with the current administration. It appears as though there's possibility that things may, autonomous vehicles may move through the process at a faster pace than they were previously and at the same time, there are no guarantees for a permit offered. and so a straight forward loop on a low mile an hour roadway is the fastest path to success versus other options which I will show in future phases of two and three ultimately staff really conceptualize the combination of feedback that we heard on Palmetadow Park Road, which was there is a barrier that separates the North and South downtown and utilizing this technology to get people from Meisenapark to Royal Palm Plaza and vice versa across the Palmeadow Park barrier. And so in a future phase, the staff would see the autonomous vehicle coming out on Meisenapble of Arden, which is obviously a higher speed limit mile-mile power roadway and would require potential lane designations for autonomous vehicles and other more complicated elements to move it forward. So we started recommending the pilot program just within Maizen of Plaza and that would provide us the opportunity to evaluate these future phases and work to advance that. And really quick, I'll go through the guidance proposal they provided us. And that is a complete service and an autonomous shuttle operation provided by circuit and collaboration with full support of guidance, the route in Miserna Park, the eight seat level four Amica Autonomous Shuttle with a safety operator. So I think that's an element for this body to understand and consideration. Currently, the federal requirements are that a safety passenger has to be in the vehicle. So they're not actually operating it, but they are sitting there, minding the vehicle that is a current operational requirement. Staff does anticipate that in the future while we don't have a date certain that that would be eliminated as a requirement. And then obviously that would allow the teleoperations and the additional enhancements from automated a vehicular travel because generally guidance has a three or five to one ratio of teleoper tell operators to equipment and from a business perspective that provides them economies of scale which would ultimately save money to have autonomous operation without a driver. I already talked about throughout. So generally passenger service four days a week nine hours a day, charging time so it would be three hours on, two hours of charging, three hours, and back and forth, as the Miki unit would need to be charged, because we're starting small, which is one vehicle, potentially in the future. Obviously, then there would be no gaps in service, because there would be multiple vehicles when one was going back to charge. So generally, the difference between the pilot and a full service. Then based on that, the overall estimated price is $90,405 for the three-month trial and it provides those notes of the four days a week, nine hours a day, the getting the NHTSA approval, the vehicular insurance, which is certainly the most important requirement, and a registration with the DMV. So this vehicle will be a licensed registered vehicle in the state of Florida, and then the charging station to be installed in MISON Park, staff will obviously collaborate if this moves forward, but that would be the vendor's responsibility, and then a storage and charging location that we would have to coordinate. So service cost and optimization I spoke about the safety operator. We can certainly go into details in that but that is a requirement at the time the opportunity for remote monitoring and control and then staff really anticipates over the long run a reduced operating cost, which would be a substantial reduction in operating costs for autonomous shuttles, and certainly, staff could also see a future with the government campus master plan, and other items where there's some built-in barriers, I would say, from an infrastructure perspective, that technology may have the opportunity to solve in the future. And with that, I would be happy to answer any questions. Before we open it up to questions, Mr. Braun, if you'd like, would you like to make any remarks regarding this? Are you good? Sure. Sure. Yes. Yeah. So, thanks very much for giving me the opportunity to talk about it. So yeah, we have several programs globally actually on the way. Do you hear me? Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. So globally we have a couple of programs on the way. The biggest one is in Japan. There are 19 of those vehicles running in different locations and they are considering of course our software. So we are not providing the vehicle, we are providing the software for those vehicles and have our operations center here. I have statistics from the last couple of weeks from Best Palm Beach, the ridership at the moment. Again, we have only one vehicle running. three hours in the morning, three hours in the afternoon, that were the requirements from the city and from related to us. So the ridership is up to 113 right now per week. Again, one vehicle only a few hours, no weekends. That were the requirements so far, toy, toy, toy, no incidents and operation is very well on the bay and a very good acceptance. I got several indications from business owners to do advertisement on the vehicle and in the vehicle. So interestingly enough and of course it has a big media impact. This afternoon we have another interview and we have been on media and TV almost every week now with this service. So so far so good so and again in Jacksonville we want an RFP and we have several other opportunities with the shuttle in Aventora right now in Beach to Reconnaes and in Greensboro so they are all having a proposal on the table for us to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work with the Bokowateron Innovation Campus where our headquarters is and you have maybe seen that in the inauguration day of our remote monitoring and control center. So that is an additional level of safety where we monitor and can also in case of a mishap situation operate and directly control these vehicles remotely. So that has pretty good impact for customers and also, it's not only that it is municipalities but also private customers, big business campuses and universities have knocked on our doors to have similar services. we are, again, we are vehicle diagnostic. We're looking for other vehicles as well. The Boko Raton Innovation Campus is looking to replace or to get also some additional transportation services in their campus. They have 11 stops right now. So we are talking to them as well to get similar services there in addition to that what they have right now. Good. Thank you. Commissioners, any questions from Mr. Beer or Mr. Braun? Yes, Mr. Chair. Oh, Mr. Knackles first and then Mr. Mayor. Just a couple of quick questions. Thank you, Mr. Beer. Thank you, Mr. Braun. And so the pilot will be seven days a week from 11 to 9, but once we're done with the three-month pilot, then I'm going to go back to the pilot will be seven days a week from 11 to 9, but once we're done with the three month pilot, then it goes to four days a week for nine hours. I think that was a question we were still debating back and forth with guidance, getting updated proposals. So I think Mr. Proud, you mind coming back up to the microphone. I think we had a quick conversation beforehand and identified that would be an ask from the CRA commission. From our point of view, it is just the dollar amounts in terms of the operation. As we mentioned, the National Highway and Safety Administration requests at the moment that there is a safety driver in the vehicle, which we have also in West Palm Beach and other areas in this world. So that is an additional cost of the operation hours, but we have to look over that proposal then, when we want to extend it. So far, I think we have started only four days a week with nine hours. So we gave several scenarios, we can look into that again. So in principle, that's not a big topic. Okay, all right, so we're looking at that. And then my other question was, will the circuit app that we have for Boka Connect let us also know when the guidance shuttle will be in root and making stops? Can we follow it on that? Yeah, that's a great technical question. I don't have an answer for that, but I could answer that if it's gonna be something that's tied into the circuit app. Okay. From an operation side, they had an identified that. Okay, all right, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Oh, thank you, man. I didn't hear you, we go. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, could you go back to the route map please? I like this concept. Big fan of guidance, of course, and I actually saw their vehicles last week in West Palm. Question more on the timing. How long do you think it might be before we get the approvals to go to phase two, phase three, where you're able to cross outside of Meissner Park? Sorry and you were intending for me to go to this map? No, to the next map, please. Phase two, phase three. There we go. Thank you. How long do you think it might take in terms of time from today until we're able to get whatever necessary approvals, whether from other governmental agencies or from us, to be able to have this vehicle operate on city streets outside of Pleasant Rail? my best estimate would be a year. I think it may take longer that only because I think from that perspective we would have to review some designation so we have truck routes within the city. We would have to additionally investigate if there was a need for an autonomous vehicle route because it would likely operate below the speed limit that other vehicles were operating at so it may need a special designation and then making sure that we evaluated the signal timing and other necessary elements from that perspective to be able to do that is is generally an estimated that that may take anywhere from a low answer of eight months to to maybe twelve months to build to implement phase two and what have you seen in west palm is there operating six stops point nine miles not all on roads like plaza real that i think they're operating on city streets right that that is correct there operating on city streets and it was that how long roughly took them to get thevals as well? I don't know the timeline they are. It's my understanding that related Ross is sponsoring that program so it is an entirely a private endeavor. So I think there's a perspective of the city operation versus a private entity operating those shuttles. You're saying a private I and I'm not talking about who's paying for it. I'm talking about you think the related rawses paying for the service has enabled them to potentially get approvals to go on rights of way easier. From the approval process, I don't know that that happens in easier. I just think from a perspective on the roads and the speed limit with which the shuttle is operating. I, from the perspective of West Palm, I'm not sure all of this speed limits where the loop is enacted, but I think that's something that we would have to, that's the main part for an evaluation. All right. Well, I was asking these questions because here's where I am on this. I like this concept, but I don't think it's going to be particularly successful from one end of myzra park to the other because it's a very pedestrian friendly area. In fact, it's probably our most pedestrian friendly area. And to walk from one end to the other is not that long. And I think the merchants and restaurateurs would probably appreciate having more pedestrian activity there. I'd much rather see and I talked to Mr. Brown either phase two or phase three where you get down and maybe we can even tweak a phase one. We're at least going somewhere off from one end of Meister to the other whether it's across second to the sandborne square slash Meister Plaza area or area, or even on the north side of Palmyra Park Road to take them Down the eastern edge of Sanborn Square so that you're getting another Cut activity point The other option would be if you look at the circle that traffic circle south of East Palmyra Park Road and west of Excuse me east of first Avenue between the theat-place and the office buildings there could be stopped too, that could serve the Southern End of Pell Motel Park Road and then a third stop somewhere right in Royal Palm Place. That's what I'd really like to see because I think that would give an opportunity for visitors to the downtown to explore around all of the different retail and restaurant options and like kind of one big connected whole. Concerned about getting a pilot just for so long of a lead time of one year just for a pilot back and forth kind of a shuttle from one end of the Meister Park to the other because I don't think you're going to see much ridership. They're only planning with six stops in West Palm Beach, 130 people per week. That's not many per day. And I think we'd have even fewer at Meister Park. So for that cost, I'd rather say, what can we do to accelerate something more meaningful or tweak phase one so you get off Meister Park's property? And I don't know what thoughts you have about that about the tweaking, is there, let me ask this then, is there any way to, without having to go through the full approval process, utilize crossing just second street and going along Sanborn Square, where you have to go the whole McGillah. from the perspective of going down to Sanborn Square, that would be, it's an option. I could evaluate that option from staff. I think generally just from the internal loop and even from staff's perspective, getting the shuttle in the operational component is pretty substantial. So being able to get the real data of having the autonomous shuttle move, how people, because one of the other elements that we've identified or our discussions with Guiding Back and Fourth was at first people didn't even know when they could get on. So there were people coming up at a stop sign and trying to open the door. And so understanding how it operates, that provides kind of a micro-environment for staff to understand it, the vendor to understand it, and really limits the opportunity for unknowns to pop up. So it would be possible to get down to Sanborn Square. That is something that staff could evaluate as an alternative route. How long would it be? How long a testing period, an operational period, would you suggest that staff would need absent any other approvals? So I think generally the element that staff was really working on was minimizing the cost. So the three months was really just from staff pushing guidance as much as possible to provide maximum service at the lowest operational costs. Generally, I think it would be most effective to see it for six months or even a year very similar to the Bokeh Connect to really have meaningful pilot run program or be able to really engage with the public as it's been developing as you can see with Bocca Connect to get the information and really promote it. Was your plan to have the three-month pilot run its cycle and then pause things until you got required right away approvals for phases two and three or run that the entire time. Generally staff's first step was to come in and enact and be able to put the pilot program in place and then be evaluating to see if we needed to come back with an additional amendment for that to just to expand the portion of phase one or to see if we had made advancements with phase two or three to be able to enhance the service. So it was the intent is to have continuous service and build from phase one into two and in phase three. I would much prefer to see if we can shorten that one year timeline to consider a phase two or three and or see if we can get off Myzod Park's plaza rail up front because I'm a little concerned about running that shuttle back and forth for just a year as a testing pilot I'd rather bake that front part more or accelerate the back part or both Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you Ocker. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, staff. Thank you for the information. So I've said this before and so just bear with me here. So once again, Boca Raton is late to the party. Guided opened its doors. An agoration was about a year. Give it take 12 or 14 months. Some of us on this council were there for the opening. And this idea was presented to just, we talked about it and of course individually, we've had different meetings. I know myself, I've had with Mr. Ron and with a bunch of other people. I also had an opportunity not with circuit with another company to go to Lake Nona and see how they're doing it there, which is full-totness vehicles. Now they move their pilot to the airport. Obviously, Jacksonville is having a robust program being there through guidance. And I've sat up here multiple times talking about what kind of policy do we have to pass so that we could get on these streets. And we've just been delaying and delaying. So now when I was approached to make a connection which I did with the guidance folks to West Palm Beach, they got that program up and running in less than six months with all the approvals and they're going through city streets. So I don't understand why we continue to fall behind on getting things done in a quicker fashion and why a company that that had two employees, and now I believe they have 19 employees, that are headquartered in Boca Raton, why we didn't start this a year ago. So it always goes back to my frustration with we're thinking small because we're looking at costs, which is important, but sometimes you have to spend money in order to have a good program, in order to have a good phase, I've been talking about brick to trial for about six months. I've been coming to every pretty much every meeting we've been talking about this. So again, if there is policy that we need to do, if there's budgeting that we need to do, to have an effective program. We sat here about a year ago with Connect Circuit or a book at Connect Circuit, I know there was a lot of people that thought that the program wasn't going to work, and it took us 18 months to get to that point. And of course, the program has worked very well, the pilot. And now we've expanded to the barrier island, and you see the jump in the numbers. This would give us that fix throughout that you discussed during strategic planning, but what do we have to do to get ahead of it? I feel like we're always trying to catch up instead of always being more proactive. And if you want to be innovative and bold and for thinking, we need to get ahead of these. So we shouldn't let the pilot dictate to us and now we have to go through these cities and that city and we have to get legal involved. We should have already be doing that. We should be doing that way in advance. So when we come to this dius and you come to the public and you present, we are ready to go with whatever other phases we can move this into. And I'm looking face three, I mean four and five, really in brick. There's a huge concentration of individuals there coming off of trial going into that area. Brick is already using the program. So I'm not really, I don't necessarily disagree with the phase one because I do want to see something out there. I don't know the private entity what impact they had on the approvals. I know the approvals went pretty quick for West Palm. From West Palm and Mr. Bontany, you could come up here and explain that. Got on the pilot and had discussions and got the pilot going. It was an incredibly fast turnaround. It wasn't a year. It was in six months. So I'm kind of a little bit confused as to the three months pilot, which I think it's a very small data pool, my opinion, depending when we decide to, depending when it runs, because of education, operational, also in terms of the outside part, that whole fixed route on phase one is kind of a little bit challenging to me as well, just because of the types of spots, unless you're picking people up at the outskirts and then kind of bringing them into the To Meiser Park. So that was an issue. Obviously, I like the electric vehicles that help us raise to zero the hybrid shuttle, a fixed rail, more employees that are working at brick and obviously a guidance ahead quarter that's here. But what do we have to do to move this along from a policy perspective? I want to hear that from legal, maybe not today, but I want to see that. And then again, I know we have to look at costs, but if it's just we're focusing on costs to provide that phase one that's so perhaps ineffective, then how do we get to phase two with maybe a little bit more funding, what we're going to have a good pilot and what we're going to have a good product. Mr. Brown, can you come up for a second, please? Thank you. Can you give us briefly in your experience in some of the other cities and the cities that are, as the mayor said, going just right in the middle of the street as opposed to the city of Can you give us briefly in your experience in some of the other cities and the cities that are, as the mayor said, going just right in the middle of the street as opposed to just this internal thoroughfare? What's your opinion on what it would take for us to kind of really start out with the kind of enhanced phase one? What would it take to do that and how long long would it take? So the experience from West Palm Beach was actually very, very good. From start to finish, we took four and a half months. And normally longest-polling attend is to get the approval from the National Ivan Safe Net Administration that takes no longer. Because you need to plan the route. You want to see the route, you want to see the stops, you want videos of the routes to assess the safety and the environmental situation that normally takes a long time, but in West Palm Beach it didn't. It was very fast. There was a super engagement suddenly. So that was in the January timeframe. If you believe it or not, the longest amount of time it took to get a license plate. So, and that was longer than the Nitzer application. So, in the end of the day, we put that also off. And so, that's not, you know, we have everything now, the vehicle is registered, as it knows what that vehicle is. To extend the route and my advice is to start small. And that goes then pretty fast. When you want to have an extension, then Nitsar will take a look at the proposal and the results from that previous trial the smaller one, phase one, and then for the second one it goes normally faster. We have a very good reputation with Nitzer, so thanks God and that went pretty fast in some other projects we had. I would say six, eight weeks to get things started with Nitzer approval and then you have for another edition of Phase One to Phase Two, it goes quicker because they have the results of Phase One because we need to provide it. We need to provide data, we need to provide videos, we need to provide all sorts of topics a per day. And to the ridership, again, they normally tell us also what would be the hours of operation, because the highest level needs a, it's a, it's a vehicle, autonomous vehicle in mixed traffic transporting people. That's the highest level you can achieve. Normally, you do that in a pilot setting without mixed traffic. So I would say six plus weeks for second phase it takes maybe another four weeks on top of it something like this. But you know I cannot really predict 100 percent. So it has different areas and it depends also on the route which streets we go what how many stops how many additional stops and also the speed this vehicle and that's what we see all over the world is up to 25 miles an hour that's it right so nobody gives you a permission for more than 25 miles an hour which is normally the limit it's okay so far. We have not seen that somebody wanted to have higher speed. So like a golf cart, it can't operate on roads. At least it's my understanding that it can't operate on roads that are more than 10 miles per hour over what its maximum speed is. Is that my... Yeah, it's a similar kind of request. But we say normally we act in an area which we have to define with a route, then the stops and then the speed limit. And we suggest not to go higher than 25 miles an hour. So I would say, phase one, for nitrides all the time good, to have the data, analyze the data and then face two when face week was faster. So you're okay or you think it is the best course of action to go with limited phase one, even though to the mayor's point, we might not get like the true ridership capture that we're hoping for because it really be shuttling people within a place that's already excessively pedestrian and between garages and things like that. But you're OK with that because it will at least get us there, after which maybe then we could push together if it's successful. We could push into phase two to my colleagues points a little bit faster than if everything goes smooth. Yes, we will win on the back end. When we start with phase one, get the data and get the results in for a period of time, we will win on the back end with faster phase two and phase three, whatever we want to apply. Okay. Are we good with that? Does I see some consensus there? Yes, sure. Just a clarification. It says that this vehicle goes 25 kilometers per hour, not 25 miles per hour, which is 15 miles per hour. Just 20. It's a tight belt. Okay. All right. Thank you. Good catch. Good. Okay. So Mr. Beard, do we have some direction? We are going to start on this program, But we're going to be successful. We're going to capture their data and with all these positive things happening, hopefully we can move to phase two a little bit, a little bit faster. And in the interim, we'll analyze some of the advertising and other issues, then might have some different issues. We'll analyze that with legal afters. That sound good? I'm'm not sure I fully have direct I think with the with the as shown phase one program we're going to come back before the buddy and amend the circuit contract to include that as part of it and it was for four days a week or to try and get an updated proposal to go with the seven days a week. That's an open item. Do we need to know that? Well, did we not want to do Monday to the Wednesday just because it's super low ridership? Was that the idea? The whole thing from staff's perspective, we kept pushing back from a cost perspective, because we didn't want to come out in the pilot program and we're really trying to make it come enter it with our existing circuit shuttle. So that was the initial start point. So we can certainly go back and get the updated proposal for the seven days a week, I think, in order to really have that out and be visible. That's an important part of having guided work to make it successful. Well, it's my opinion that it should be seven days a week and I think the funding is there in the CRA but obviously Mr. Mayor. Mr. Chair, I was going to lean the other way because it's the pilot. Again, I think phase one is really its value is the test. It's not the actual, that phase is not going to be particularly valuable, it's to get the kinks out. So if staff can do this and propose it to NITSA, I would say do four days a week, get some weekend, week day, get that as a representative sample set, and then apply with NITSA immediately to get to phase two and three. I'm not interested in funding phase one, the shuttle back and forth along Plaza Rale for a year. If the timeline is more of what Mr. Bronsa says, I think that's more viable and I'd suggest that we have a three-month milestone at six-month milestone because if we're not there yet, if for whatever reason we're only running the shuttle for phase one for six months and we've got all the data and we're just waiting for approvals, then we might suspend that because it's just, it's costly and I don't think it's, I think it's just testing value only, not surface value. Unless you actually need the number of days for the tests. The question is, if you do only four days, is it extend the testing period? That is, I don't know the answer of that question from the testing period day, but I understood we will evaluate with that with guidance to determine if it's necessary for the NITSAR approval, identify which proposal makes sense, identifying that from a cost perspective, it's really just the initial trial period to begin that. And then really the goal from what I'm hearing from the commissioners is to get to phase two or three and really have that be more full blown service. Thank you. Mr. Chair. It, I guess I come down, I think the goal of the phase one is really to get our foot in the door with the federal government and show that it can be done and be done safely. And we're not gonna be providing a lot of transportation to a lot of people in that period. And that's fine. Because if it eases the time and eliminates, it makes it more efficient to get into phase two and three, I think that is the goal. So I'm not even sure we need to have a full 12 months in that case. I think maybe we're all saying the same thing. If you can get into the application phase for phase two, after three months of data, even if it's on four days a week, I'm not really sure it matters. One way or the other, so long as four days a week is sufficient from the federal government's perspective, I think we do that. And then that way we can make it more robust an expanded sooner without having it to cost a lot to not really ferry that many people around from time to time. I would say we can do it more robust and expand it sooner without having it to cost a lot to not really ferry that many people around from time to time. I would say we can do it over three months if that's sufficient, then from that point on we can get into phase two and then eventually phase three. I think everyone is saying the same thing. Is it right? You just struck it? Yeah. I have a follow-up in terms of policy because you mentioned legal. Was that more for advertising or is that just policy for speed limit or other? Because you mentioned traffic signals like you mentioned a lot of things that you're not going to capture in that pilot because there's none of that is really on that phase one. That is correct and that's more of the opportunity to have both really trying to run it simultaneously is to have this portion of the pilot running while staff has the opportunity to discuss. And it's not the city attorney's office has engaged us immediately in the process to support and see if it had to be a designated route or if there was some special requirement from a permit from everything we've seen, that's not the case. It was more more an understanding of would be it's just based on the speed limit and some of the some of the elements of the route getting out on my's and then Palmettopark Road. Those are higher volume roadways than I think some of the elements from West Palm. So staff is is while the pilot is running over the several months evaluate those options and the operational ability for guidance to meet the expanded routes. Just one follow up. I guess for my direction purpose for me is that whatever needs to happen so that we could get quicker into phase two and three that we do that. That we try to be a West Palm Beach in this scenario, because they were up and running in four months and their ridership continues to go higher. So we should be working on this simultaneously and I'm sure City Attorney's Office could reach out to City Attorney's Office there and this is happening throughout the entire state. This is not the only pilot, this is not the only area where they're putting these autonomous vehicles and not be delayed. So by the time that we expand that we're not already behind because we're always just trying to play catch up. When it comes to, I feel like a lot of the things that we do just to try to get across the line. And I appreciate staff and I appreciate guidance and circuit negotiating with us on pricing and making sure that it fits the model. But we always need to start thinking in the extra step. I feel like we just think like A, B, but we gotta go all the way through Z. So we should have already been thinking, I've been saying about the policy for weeks about what do we need to change internally to get this done. And I was really focusing on brick. I wasn't even focusing so much on my own part. But now I want us to focus on both. So whatever needs to happen, that's what I would like to see. So that we're ready to go as soon as we can to push out phase two and phase three. And also knowing and also for the public that phase one is not going to give us the ridership because it's just not there. I think in that area, the beta test that we're putting out there is just not what we're looking for. So I think I've been pretty clear whatever you need from the council or from an operations perspective, if it could be more proactive, that's what I would like to see. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Beard, you have clear direction. Thank you so much. Thank you. Just a personal note. I had a very good meeting with Mr. Braun in my office going through the merits of this and the successes of the company. and what it's doing in other cities and the value of the future, the data, you know, the data spots that we can potentially get. Remember, this is a vehicle that's not going to be running red lights. It's not going to be speeding. It's going to give us more data than we can imagine about safe or unsafe intersections once it starts expanding can really help in future planning and traffic analysis. So I am like Mr. Tucker, I'm very excited about this opportunity and being Mr. Beer, as you said, a tool potentially to quote bridge that technological gap. Like I said, I understand from Mr. Braun also that we're not yet at the place where the vehicle is permitted to cross railway tracks and things like that. But with the future with the right data and the right planning, we will be there and we will be prepared. So I'm very excited for it. Thank you very much. Mr. Brown, still you report? No additional report. Thank you. Thank you Together before I have no report. Thank you very much commission's report mr. Thompson no report. Thank you mr. Chair Atlas Thank you the only I just wanted to make one more comment, you know in strategic plan And we talked about a lot about innovation and technology and this is really a great step in the right direction for that. And so I'm looking forward to. It's tough with the pilot because it's going to be during the summer, too. So it sounds like so you may not get the exact numbers we want, which is again, we're just looking to get to phase two and three. But the other thing is that it can relieve some traffic congestion. So we're not going to fix traffic, but it can relieve some congestion, so I'm excited about that. And that's all I have to say to... The other thing is that it can relieve some traffic congestion. So we're not going to fix traffic, but it can relieve some congestion. So I'm excited about that. And that's all I have to say today. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Rucker. Yes, I'm the heels of Miss Nockless. I agree. I'm excited about the pilot. If I seem a little frustrated, because we've been working on this for almost a year. So it just, everything seems to take a little longer when it comes to being bold and moving forward. And I think we just had our strategic planning last week where we were talking about technology and innovation. And I know there's so much out there that we can utilize even just from, you know, adaptive signals, even sensory from certain areas of just like crosswalks that are sensory or sensory, like people walk through it and they turn on and you know that they're going to the person's approaching so again I know I'm a little bolder I think Mayor Singer said that last week but I really think that this is going to be a beneficial when it comes to our fixed stops and then we'll see how it interacts with both a connect and maybe that's something that will maybe possibly scale back and your increase here increased here. Again, one of the things, and I thank the council, and I thank the staff, is that we're thinking already of innovative ways to move people around in the downtown. And then always thinking also here in this area, which I kind of refer to Midtown brick. So thank you to staff and thank you to Guiden and Circuit for being partners with us on this new journey. Thanks. Mr. Mayor. Looking forward to our centennial. No further report. Thank you. Thank you. And I have a thank you very much. And I have a brief report. Of course, things in the downtown are going well. A lot of maintenance occurring. We talked about this in strategic planning. We talked about just traditional maintenance. And we talked about enhanced maintenance. So I like to thank the staff again, the gazebo's being painted for the first time in many, many years in the continuing infrastructure work that's happening with fiber optic, and our landscape in downtown is very much appreciated. Of course, now that certain things have changed with respect to what's going on in the amphitheater, I started talking briefly with some of the staff members and Mr. Brown about the field next to the amphitheater, which is, let's say, beaten down a little after all these festivals that we have. But also, again, one of the questions for Mr. Brown, I guess is my understanding right now is that every time we have a festival, we put up a fence and then we take down a fence. And obviously, there's a redundant cost there and it might not be so expensive, but is it something that we looked into just having a permanent like nice fence there? No, I wasn't aware of this question until right now, but we have not looked into a permanent fence because we were expecting someone to be developing that property. That is not happening, so this is something we can consider in terms of long term of the facility, but there may be other things that come up as well that would say we do not want a permanent fence. Okay. You know, because again, just looking at the cost of 20 to 30 festivals and then the per festival event fence time, it seems like that could be a redundant cost. But maybe it's something that I hope we could look into. Something to be considered. Yes. Appreciate it. Again, with some other field things. Now that we're keeping the amphitheater for at least a short to the midterm, we do have to maintain it. And it is a well-utilized space. But likewise, kind of in just my thought process, I love to do research. And one of the things that I take my time is looking over some of the old minutes. And one of the things that we're able to do research and one of the things that I take my time is looking over some of the old minutes and one of the things that we're able to do together with the historical society is kind of look at where we are and where we were to our government campus. So 60 years ago, City Leaders planned ahead for the future infrastructure. I'm not going to read it, but basically the summary here is that city leaders were looking at the 10-year future needs for our water plan. And the bottom of this page talks about refinancing funding for revenue-based bonds, you know, coming into the city at this time to pay for a lot of these things. And we're in a very similar way. Once all these future needs came up, the mayor at the time, this is August of 1963, talked about the current status for acquiring some kind of very specific properties that are necessary to the redevelopment of the downtown at that time. They also talked about building a new police department at the time was also a new internal court and fire headquarters. They also talked with the director of public works on redoing some things in Pearl City at the time. And they also talked with the director of recreation at the time James Rutherford to do a recreational master plan and at the mayor and the director we're doing a master recreation plan at that time too. So this is August of 1963, right? It could literally be last week because we're talking about the same exact thing. So yeah, I might have been mistaken a strategic planning. I was saying we're in Bokaritone 2.0 but really this was already done so we're really we're in Bokaritone 3.0. And so of course this was passed at the time in 1963 in August. The plans to develop the Civic Center and the Community Center were they took three months to do so they were November which was And of course, as we know from the historical societies, new exhibit at our current community center, they were built and dedicated in August of 1964. So within a year, it was thought about designed, planned, and built. And that is the original city or second city hall and the community center, which were then of course changed, right Mr. Chairman. And within three months, we moved half the staff back to the old city hall. Just remember. Which we went from this 1964 city hall that you're showing here. We took the building department and the engineering department and sent them back to Old Town Hall because there wasn't enough room in the city hall that the city had just built. Yeah, and you weren't with the city at that time. I was not here at that time, but I can assure you that that occurred. Yeah, okay, just, yeah, you know, because you have the personal knowledge. You have to go. The point I'm making is the good planning is always in warrant. Yes, I appreciate that. And of course, this mid-century modern, I was back in warrant. Yes, I appreciate that. And of course, this mid-century modern, I was back in style. My opinion, we shouldn't have touched it. But of course, things happened. They happened fast, but they did happen with a plan and all those things. And we were at that point again, 61 years later, where we're really at a very similar precipice Likewise neighboring cities are in a very similar situation to our CRA with respect to infrastructure projects and P3s this is the notice of bond issuance for Pompo no Beach and Again, I won't I won't read it into too much detail, but just to reflect, they might be a little head of us chronologically as to what they're doing. Their CRA bond issuance that they're looking forward is doing roadway, brick pavers, utility boxes, street lighting, milling, striping, paving the road, landscaping, pedestrian bridges, public parks Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, similar situation to responsibly manage and finance our needed work as well. And of course, as part of our downtown master planning and as part of sometimes some of the things going on in Tallahassee, these are things that we're not going to be able to delay for. As we know, much longer, we are going to need to start in the very near future. Of course, that's what we're planning for. We're funding them from our tax increment financing, which has a limited duration, which expires in 2042, and a proposed public-private partnership. This is to benefit the people, like in 1964, the people then and the people in the future. This is what we're striving for and this is what we're planning for. Happy 100th birthday, Boca Raton. The next meeting will be after our centennial. There's going to be a lot of great events. I'm sure the mayor is going to talk about them at the next meeting. You can go online as well and visit them all at the My Book of Site or the Downtown Book of Site. So with nothing further coming for us, we will adjourn the speeding at 2.27pm.