you you you you you you you you Good afternoon. Today is Monday, March 17th, and it is St. Patrick's Day, and some people in the room decided to wear green, and some of us were not so up on that. You're gonna get pinched. I just might get pinched, and some are very decorated. But regardless, we're all here. It's nice to see everyone. It's four o'clock, and Megan is going to do roll call. Roll call, Council Member Fritzstein. Here. Council Member Gustasson. Here. Council Member Morole. Here. Council Member DeAngelo. Here. Here, thank you. Okay, first we're gonna start off with something fun and nice. Just... Here comes a member, Dan Jelo. Here, Mayor Shank. Here, thank you. Okay, first we're going to start off with something fun and nice to celebrate. It's a proclamation. It is the National Donate Life Month, and we are very excited to have Jesse here, and we are going to read the proclamation, and then we'll gladly give you the copy of it. Take back. So, a proclamation, National Donate Life Month. Whereas April 2025 is the 22nd annual National Donate Life Month, a time to raise awareness for Oregon, I, and Tissue donation, encourage Americans to register as donors and honor those that have saved and healed lives through the gift of donation. And whereas 95% of Americans support organ donation but only 48% register, yet one donor can save up to eight lives through organ donations, save and heal more than 75 lives through tissue donation and help restore a site in up to two people through Cornia Transplants. And whereas Colorado has led the nation with more than two-thirds of Coloradans selflessly registering to be Oregon I and tissue donors at the DMV. And whereas in Colorado in 2024 a record 311 heroic Oregon donors provided 947 life-saving transplants and 1,860 heroic tissue donors saved and healed nearly 144,000 individuals through tissue graphs. And whereas registering gives hope to the 1300 plus people waiting for a life-saving organ transplant in Colorado while compassionately celebrating donors and their families for giving the gift of life. And whereas organ eye and tissue donation is only possible with our communities and partners coming together for one united purpose saying yes to be an organ eye and tissue donor is not just checking a box. It is saving and healing lives. Now therefore, we, the town of Snowmass Village Council, by virtue of authority vested in us by the laws of the town of Snowmass Village in Colorado, dear hereby proclaim April 2025 as National Donate Life Month. in witness whereof. I have here on to set my hand and cause the seal of the town of Stomas Village, Colorado to be affixed this seven. five as National Donate Lifemouth. In witness whereup, I have here and to set my hand and cause the seal of the town of Stomas Village, Colorado, to be affixed this 17th day of March 2025. So, Jesse, if you want to come back up. Here I can come around. I hope you have shoes take a better picture. Oh Betsy, thank you. Thank you so much. Oh, I love stickers. Thank you so much. I can come around a few more. I'm just gonna take a better picture. Oh Betsy, thank you. Oh, I love stickers. Thank you so much. Okay, thank you. And I don't know if you'd like me to say, but we're so happy to have you here. Yeah, just come, you can come over to the microphone. Just live. I'll be brief, because I'm sure you guys have a lot to get through but I just want to thank you for making this proclamation. My dad is a heart transplant recipient so I'm always very appreciative of any time that we can spread this message. He'll be celebrating 10 years this year and so this work is very meaningful to me and I appreciate you guys taking the time to do this proclamation for us. Wonderful. Well, thank you for being here, and thanks for being so colorful, even down to the shoes. Any excuse to dress up. So, thank you very much, and thanks for coming to us and having us. I really appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Well that was fun. All right. Next on the list. Oh we public comment. I don't know if there's anyone there's no one in the room. I don't think there's anyone online that wants to make public comment on a non agenda item. Okay. Next up is consent agenda. We have the agenda overview, the minutes for approval, and the resolution and support of the town's dola grant. In terms of future addendas, we do have to reschedule our goal setting session, which was supposed to be tomorrow, but I have to leave town on emergency. So I don't know if we wanna set that date next week is spring break for the Aspen School District. So Brita's gonna be out, and I'm gonna be gone part of that week, but I was thinking that last week of March, first week of April, if we could just get this next session done would be great. I don't know if everybody's calendars look. I know it's busy time for you. What would you suggest in the week? Well, if we can do it, I mean, just to kind of push along and get that part of it wrapped up. There's the pick of day. The fifth Monday is the 31st. I don't know if Monday's. OK, as Monday's rough for me, but in the other day, that week works. Monday the 31st. OK, so that's April 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th. Any days that aren't good? Probably not the 3rd. I've got a step down that way. So OK, do we want to try for the first April Fools? We can. Perfect. We can laugh off the goals. Sessley, does that work for you? OK, so April Fools will do the 9th to noon. Is that work for everybody? Yeah. OK, April 1st, 9th to noon, goals. Does that sounds good? Clint, you got that. And then also for future agenda. You started at 9 or 9 30 last. Okay. Okay. I'm going to head count for tomorrow night at the opera event. At the opera. Yeah. Tom's definitely going to be there. Susan. Okay. Great. Thank you. And then also for future agenda items. And we'll leave the goal setting. I don's any changes or anything tweaks in the meantime, so we've got a week. Let me know and I'm happy to bring a more revised draft. Great. To that next one. That's great. In February, in one of our February meetings, we had our quest from Bill Boino to schedule a future meeting topic about cost sharing with the rodeo about lighting around the entrance, bathrooms and fencing. Yeah, I mean, I would recommend that come from the rodeo board. We're trying to set a meeting with them now on the small goats and are they going, smiling goats ranch and having a difficult time. Okay. And I know, I mean, that would be my advice. If the rodeo board wants to, I would suggest to come from the board. Okay But you haven't any luck talking to them The opposite almost yeah, okay Any other things for future agenda items Okay, any minutes changes Dyson a couple to Megan just Let little few little errors. Yep. I received those. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. And then the last one is the Rezo for the Little Red School House. I did have a couple questions but I don't know if anybody else has any questions. I just hope that you know, Clint or staff could just or explain a little bit. Sure. I'm just explaining the grant application. Yeah. Just like the process for it. Or just, yeah, I mean, where we are in that, I mean, is it the only grant we're going for? Well, we've received, we've already worked with the county and received, I believe is $240,000 from a county last year. This is the biggest single grant we're going for right now. It's through the state energy impact fund. It's probably our best chance to... $20,000 from the county last year. This is the biggest single grant we're going for right now. It's through the state energy impact fund. It's probably our best chance to identify early education as a project of theirs. I would say last year we would have probably had a great chance at this with the state budget cuts. When the state cuts budgets, they usually raid this fund, so we'll see. But it's the biggest chunk we're going for. And we've actually worked one of the things that the counties offered up to us is their professional grant writing. They've affirmed that rights grants for them. And they've yet to find any other significant grants that we can go after yet. So we're still looking, but this would be expected as to be the biggest chunk. And it's a a million dollars a year. And then, you know, we're bringing a great match. We're bringing six and a half million. So, I mean, and a project that's approved. And so we think we've got a great application. And we'll continue to look. And, you know, worst case is, let's just say, this is what we end up with. I come back to you and look for an additional appropriation to break down next year, but we're still looking for that total of $2 million. And sorry, the other grant, the other grant that we were looking for is a private donor that is considering another $200,000 donation for a playground equipment. And that's the same donor that made a donation for the PAPE trails last year. And so this donor has been very generous and wants some more detail, but so we're working through that as well. So when would this grant be submitted? On the next couple days, I mean, I think you guys are the last official. I can't remember I don't remember the deadline for it, but. And how long does it take till here? How long does it take to get through? Yeah. Six months. Okay. I mean, it's a, I can tell you the detail of the process, but it goes through us, it goes to the state, goes to a state admin, then at the end of the project you make a recommendation to the Energy Impact Advisory Board, which is a bunch of citizens. They make a recommendation to the director of DOLA and the director of DOLA makes the final determination. Okay. And then in the resolution it says in 2B it says the town council intends to authorize the expenditure funds necessary to meet the terms and obligations of any grant awarded pursuant to the grant agreement. Is this the matching one million or is that more than that? The matches six and a half million from us. It's a million requests from them. So we're putting the six and a half million up for the million. Okay. In Dola will typically require this type of resolution to know that the grant application is authorized and if you get the grant you're gonna do the project. So I soften some of the language and the rezo a little bit, but that's the idea is that if you get the money, you're gonna move forward in the project. Okay, and what's the source of funding for these grants? Oil and gas, taxes? Taxes, okay. Taxes on oil and gas specifically. Okay. Okay. Any other questions about that? Okay. So I think that's it for the consent agenda. Someone wants to make a motion to approve. I move that we approve the consent agenda. All in favor? We need a second. Oh, sorry, second. Susan's seconding. All in favor. All right. All right. So next up we have the administrator view for the draw site and Betsy's here. Erica and her team. Very exciting. Yes. So good evening again. I'm like a bad penny, you know, just keep shining up. At least it's not eight o'clock at night. Yeah. So I don't need to go back through all the history, but I'll just do, I'll just remind you all in our at the February 18th meeting we showed you three different options that we had worked on. The consensus of the, which is really maybe the ninth option, I think when you go back to the beginning, but the consensus was to move ahead with what we were calling option six, which is a single building option. There was a lot of feedback given about that. I'm gonna really let most of the conversation, the presentation be from Erica and Janet. Whoops, but I think this, you know, addresses a lot of, we tried to address much of the feedback that we got. And I also just wanna correct, in my recommendation, I'll just correct, I made sort of a mistake in the way I wrote up the owner's recommend, the staff recommendation and we said that if there's consensus we approve moving to preliminary plan submission, I really meant moving toward that. So the next thing we'll need to do is to come back to you with the landscape design, which we're intending to do in April. So I just wanted to correct that. And just on that I think we also then want to get public input before we go to preliminary design full drawings, right? I don't know that well that's something to maybe talk about. Let's just keep that open. Well I do think that during the election when this was on the ballot a lot of people were concerned about design and really wanted to be make sure that they had the opportunity to give their input so I do think that is an important element to it. I mean I don't know how much I can talk about that either at the end of this meeting or at the April 7th meeting just to talk about you know where where you want to go with that yeah next steps. Sure. The other thing I'm just adding is do you want that input during the the quasi-judicial process or do you want to during the ownership process? I think it's better to get it during the ownership process. You know before we do a whole lot of drawing because there might be some comes out of it might it might be. Again, I don't have any time. I'd rather do it before we plunge into the full drawing. OK, sorry, that's a good one. No, that's fine. OK, I'm going to turn it over to Erica. We have Erica and Janet from site architects. And then on the, on the, on the online, are also a couple folks from site architects and something called Patrick's Notaker. So I'm not actually Patrick's. Patrick's serving beer at the church tonight in Athens. That's just his notaker. Okay. Next time we should not have a meeting on same package day. I know. Well, thank you guys. Erica and Janet are here today. And then Tristan and Oscar are on the line from Side Architects as well. So this first slide, we just sort of compiled some notes from the design team and then discussion items from the last town council meeting to address things that we had heard from you guys and how we have incorporated your feedback into the current design which we're referring to as 6B because it really is refinements, you know, to option six that we looked at with you guys last time. We're not trying to over complicate it, but we tried to stay with our numbering system. So notes that we really felt were sort of positives from option six that we spoke about last time, were the singular building design that I think has come up a number of times in meetings, you know, just looking to optimize, you know, consolidate the footprint, look to have economy of scale in the building construction. We, you know, we heard from you guys that, you know, there really needed to be a clear entry experience for guests. And we think that option six be, you know, kind of builds off of what we showed, what we showed at option 6 last time. There are not dramatic changes, you know, to the entry kind of drop off, but that would be something that we would look to, you know, continue to refine, you know, moving forward. But we do feel that there is a very clear drop off with surface parking, ADA parking, rated adjacent to the lobby that we'll look at with the site plan. There is an increase in surface parking in option 6B which does allow for car share, EV guests and then head some initial discussions with landscape and civil that potentially are our direct stairway that we've always envisioned that comes down from the draw site to the town council or to the town hall could allow for the guest parking from the draw site to actually be overflow for town hall as well because I think all of us have been here when parking is a little tight for certain meetings when there's a lot on the agenda and so we felt that that was a consideration that landscape will look into in the next month I think Bency mentioned that we're we sent out a background to civil this week and then they're preparing some updated grading to send to landscape and then the idea would be that they would present landscape concepts to you guys at the April 7th meeting. So we were excited to kind of dig in with Landscape and really bring them back up to speed and get them going on their concepts and they're really excited about the potential of option six and option six B refinements. You know, I think along those lines, we really, we all like that the courtyard is really open on two sides and open to the natural draw site and it gives us a lot of flexibility with debris flow and stormwater design that needs to be, you know, refined as we move forward as well. So some of the discussion and follow-up that we discussed at the last meeting were that there was a preference for option 6 over the other options presented. There was a note that option 6 did have a little less parking but it was adequate and option six B does address some increases in the surface parking and refinements to the garage parking as well. And we'll go over that in the plans. There was a note that studios had been introduced to the unit mix and we do still have studios in the mix, but we do have still a little bit of flexibility at this point in design where we've been looking at really finding that correct balance of unit numbers and also bedroom count. So that's part of what we wanted to talk with you guys about when we look at the plans today. We have some refinements to some of the outdoor areas and then then again, you know, real true enhancement of those areas with our landscape team to come at the April 7th meeting. There was discussion of, you know, along the lines of the more efficient kind of lobby, guest entrance. We had moved the elevator location to be adjacent to the lobby and then it also is adjacent to the upper level roof deck. We actually have a larger roof deck because we've looked at reducing or removing some of the units on that upper most level, which gives us some flexibility as to exactly how large that roof deck is. and then also still allows for solar panels. Solar panels, if we would like to have those. We talked a little bit about whether the building should slide up the hill more and I think we're still open to you know sliding in a bit but as you'll see in the site section I think we're feeling like it's hitting some of the natural grade in good locations around the building to provide egress windows and kind of connections. And it just feels like it's not fighting the site where it's at now, but it certainly may slide a little bit once the civil team really digs in there. So we talked a lot at the last meeting about some suggestions on how to lower the height and have a little bit more undulation in the massing and whether that should happen kind of on the ends of the buildings. And we've really looked at that critically and have removed a number of units from that upper level, and we're excited about the progress there to look at with you. We, there was some talk about the funding gap, which I think Betsy can discuss, and I, you know, there are still, you know, refinements that can happen to that based on what we were discussing earlier with the exact, you know, unit mix and bedroom counts. We can still adjust some of that funding gap as we move forward. Let's see. One of the things we were charged with at the last meeting was we had option six was at 64 units and there is a discussion of can we remove some units from the upper most level and then have additional units in the back leg of the L shape to get additional units. In the option 6B, we actually have one less unit but 10 additional bedrooms. And so that's where we're kind of, there still is a little bit of flexibility but we do think that it's a step in the right direction in terms of bedrooms. Let's see. We talked about that. So yeah, I think that the summary was really, that we were charged with finding ways to reduce the height. I think, you know, from those outer locations up at base village down at the roundabout and from town hall. And so we've found it effective again to reduce units in the front where you really have the most forward-facing elevation of the building and then add additional units kind of in the back which we still think have great connection to views from the units and light and air and connection to the courtyard. So those are really the discussion topics that we wanted to highlight as what we had heard last time and how we've been refining the design. Did I miss anything? The material texture color. Yeah, so we have played a little bit with some of the materials and I think that is something that you know we can continue to refine moving forward. We were really concentrating primarily on height and mass but we are absolutely excited to dive in a little bit more and really you know we're gravitating towards those natural materials that really blend in you know with the draw and so I think we've adjusted a couple things and just tried to be more consistent with how we're using materials around the building based on kind of the units and the decks and you know, providing depth and shadow. And I think again, those are things that we would like to do further refinements as we move forward. All right, so for reference, this was option six that we looked at last time. As you can see, can you guys see my cursor? Yeah, so back in the L shape, you know this was a one one-sided corridor where all of the units were on the back side and there was kind of a connection here so the idea was to look at removing some of these units in the section up here on the front to reduce the height and then to shift some of those back. And we can go back and forth between these if helpful. So as you can see, and I'll just kind of click between them. So this was option six. And then this is where we have removed quite a bit of this upper most level in the forward facing elevation of the building. And you can see in the back if I click between them, we removed the green that we were kind of using to hide some of our topography that Civil was working on. This L portion back here is now sort of the same building with as the front part and is a double loaded corridor. So it's a more efficiently out. We've refined some areas below that to include additional parking and removed some of our parking on the lowest level under the plaza, just based on feedback from the contractor about where our Shoring and Foundations should stack for economy So I'll point out one thing we did revise since the packet that we sent you guys all zoom in here We had a line that was not showing up, but we wanted to point out that this dasheded line was Tower A from the 79 unit design. So we actually are a little bit lower. We're thinking about three to four feet lower from that 79 unit option in our 6B. So we really are, you know, and the reason for that is that we have grades that we're meeting on the different parking levels and the plaza And so the building itself has just settled into the into the existing grade a little bit more And that's where you know, we're still fine tuning those connections from You know our civil grading to the building and those things will continue to refine a little bit as we go forward But we liked that it was coming in a little bit lower than even the 79 unit option on that front bar. You can see our height limit, we're still well below that. And then for reference, you can see where Tower B was located. And so we're really trying to stay, this is where we have had some great meetings with CIVL and we're looking at ways that we can really tie into the existing grade and almost even wrap grade around into the courtyard a little bit so there'll be more of a natural connection up to the hillside and that kind of four by four road that does need to connect up to the debris basin. So one new item that we'll look at in the plans is the idea that because grade is wrapping around this lowest elevation on the courtyard we're looking at putting a small community room in that in that location because we can't really achieve the egress windows out the back that we can on the upper levels and so we were looking it still would have a connection out to the courtyard but we wouldn't have those egress window requirements on backside. And so that was something we spoke with Betsy about and it could really be a nice amenity. When we had two towers in the past, we had two rooftop. They were a little bit smaller, but two rooftop areas. And now we have a slightly larger rooftop area and then we're thinking that this community amenity space really could be nice for you know just you know signing you now to have you know just a gathering or birthday party or something like that. Or even some programming down the line if that if that makes sense to some little bit more formal space. Okay. Oh, and then one other minor thing, but when we were quickly getting our numbers off to Hazelden to look at Updates on their cost estimate. We did have an error on our square footage because we were including I think some of the decks and so this is the apples apples square footage that Hazelden used to create the cost estimate that we just got in today. So we'll look at that at the end of the presentation. But we just made sure that everything was Apple's to Apple's with option six and to six B. And so this number in terms of square footage has gone up because of those 10 additional bedrooms that we mentioned. We lost one unit, but we've gained 10 bedrooms in this option. So that's why the square footage has gone up a little bit. All right. So maybe some other quick notes. We are still working with our civil team. We've rotated our fire truck turnaround, and we do need, we're not able to have it exactly aligned with the drive aisle because of the fact that we need the longest leg of the turnaround to be in this orientation where a fire truck will come in and then back into this area and then turn around to leave. But we're actually finding some great connections when we are refining the grade over in this location where we actually can plow off of that area for snow storage. So again lots of things to refine with civil but we are and this is where we're looking at potentially to have that stair that could come down you know really on either side of this hammerhead and then this pathway would bring you down you know, to town hall. So if we have that additional guest storage right up here, we're looking at having that stair connection come down so that that could be overflow parking for town hall. I assume that fire turn around is also for vans and deliveries. It really, yeah, it can be for everything. Yeah, it's really, it's driven by the size of the fire truck. Right. But we will have, we'll run it with all of the different trucks that, you know, the trash truck and all of the different delivery trucks just to make sure that it's adequate. But in our experience, the fire truck has been the most restrictive. So that's the one we usually start with. To semi be able to semi truck be able to turn around. I don't know that's a good question. Tested that. We have not tested that one yet. Would there ever be a need for semi up there? No, I don't think so. The only deal, well, I mean the only time we've ever had a semi in any of our housing was when we were remodeling at Mountain View and they would come and bring windows and that sort of thing, which obviously this one won't need for some time, but when that happens, it will be difficult to stage. But I think it's, we should run it and see how close we are. It'd be great if you could do it. OK. See. So let's see here. So I'll of go, as we did last time, we can, we're just comparing option six to six B in these renderings. So this was where we were at with option six. And then actually if I go forward a couple of times it won't delay in between. So option six and six B. So you can see it has come down quite a bit on from the view from juice. So we're really, you know, removing a large mass kind of back in this area. And then this is the on the east side here is where we're playing with materials and, you know, looking for feedback on if it's effective to go with, you know, maybe some darker materials that might settle in more. But again, it's obviously seasonal when we look at these different colors, because this photograph was taken just a few months ago without snow, but obviously without any of the green parts of the site. So I think we could look at this as we move forward in different seasons and just see, you know, what's the right balance. But obviously there's lots of kind of fun refinements to look at there, but we were looking at making where we do have the stepped back upper level where we have the corridor to access the units that are facing the courtyard. Still on that upper level, we were looking at making them a darker material to kind of recede and step back even further. So those were, again, all kind of click back and forth a couple times. But we really were excited that, again, it's a few feet lower than even the 79 unit option for that tower A. And then, obviously, if obviously, if you remember the 79 unit option had another tower behind. And so you really could see, you know, just the building looked a lot larger in this area as well. And because of the L shape that's really tucked in behind from the vantage point of base village, you really don't see that back L. I mean, you really don't see that anywhere anywhere, unless you're up on the site. Have you done any investigation with your engineers about where all the heat pumps are going to go? I assume you have one heat pump per unit, right? So, 63 heat pumps on the roof somewhere. Yeah, so we have, we've looked at that and our thought is that, you know, there is one per unit and so that would be on the Probably the uppermost roof But we would we'll dig back into that as soon as we kind of have have go ahead that There's some links of how long the runs can be from there, you know Yeah, yeah, and I mean it's it's not that different in terms of the runs than when we had the previous design We do have one additional level, but it's kind of staggered where No, I understand but yeah, the roof now is when I'm getting too technical, but Sort of set back so the ones that are in the front and the bottom there might be a long long run to get down there. Well, and that's where we're really flexible on that roof deck, right? So I think if we could slide that and- That would be great, not to. He pumps on a roof deck. Yeah, well, I mean, in terms of the zones where we would have the heat pumps and where we define a roof deck. So if there is an issue with some of those runs, We could decide where to slide the public access roof deck. And we're excited now too that we have this community space on the courtyard as well, because as much as we love the roof deck idea, we do need to make sure that we can fit all of the services that we need in mechanical equipment up there. So. All right. So this was a side by side. We kind of think that the previous is a little easier to read when we kind of go back and forth, but that's where you can see the darker material on the setback, upper most level, and over to the right, and then, you know, just the reduction in height, you know, in this zone and then these kind of front most units. And then we've been working. This is a stair core to shape the roof of the stair core because we do need that for egress because we still have units obviously along the backside of that upper most level. So we're looking at shaping that roof of the stair core to again bring that mass down further. The other thing I'll just mention, draw your attention to, as I look at it, is the relationship between the building on the left to the town hall and the building on the right to the town hall. I think much more in the same scale as on the right. If you just sort of look at it. That's certainly going the right direction. Yeah, and it's that it's it's a little bit more tucked in in the site. I agree Betsy. Um, Erica, could you repeat what you just said about the stair well and what you might be working to? I was a little unclear about what you were describing that still. Maybe you can enlarge the Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think if there would be a better view actually to show you. Let me just click through here. So, well, I can show it to you in all of them, but so you can kind of see here, you know, this part of the stair is serving this upper most level and it still is needed, you know, for the back units. But then if we go to our our version 6b, we're sloping it, you know, sort of towards you so that it can bring because we just need the full height human kind of at the back. So you can roughly see how it's sloping. I see. So the front side of it, because the stairs, are descending, we don't need as much head height in the stair. The elevator core on the other side, though, does have to have an overrun and so that does need to maintain its height. But we felt good about the fact that we're really removing units here and here and that we were able to bring that scale down. Okay. Thank you So I'll just kind of click through again. So you can see when we're clicking how we're removing You know, really all of those units along the front side and Really bringing down the scale, you know from the roundabout. And then this is from the point site. And then I'll go back and forth a couple times. So same concept, you know, Tibet's point trying to find more of a relationship of scale to the town hall building. And over to the left, you'll see the stair, approximately where the stairs will go for pedestrian access and but also potentially to be used for overflow which I think it lends itself to. So this was from the Upper Town Hall parking and one thing that we weren't super excited about was that kind of extension of the fire track turnaround and so that's where we've been working to put that over further and really ground it in the topography where we need to bring you know that access up around the southwest portion of the building anyway and so again you can see that reduction in height um by removing those units and then just removing of that projection uh, you know we especially with landscaping enhancements we really think we'll tuck that in but the idea would be we could have some large openings on the parking structure on that lower level so that it can have more light and air and feel less like a parking garage. And then we, you know, where the roof deck is now, we were hopeful to be able to have some planters up there, and that's what we're kind of showing is just some vegetation up there on that roof deck, which would really settle that in from a user standpoint up there. So these were our garage reference plans if we need to look back on them from option six. And then this was our previous storage with that single loaded corridor in option six. These were our typical floor plans and our unit plans. And so now we're at our new refined option six BB and so we were looking at removing some of the parking from this zone here and so that would just be sort of on grade still have surface parking at this level as you're coming up on the road but we really didn't need it once we extended the parking per Hazelden's feedback underneath the back L and so you would on that level come into the parking garage and have, you know, if you have a signed parking on that level or you enter the lower parking level and have your signed parking down there. So, but again, all of our guest parking is really on that surface area and so really just making that a more, you know, easily found location for guests. And then we're, you know, we're refining this and we will with landscape, but we're looking at trying to get some green zones for some planting, you know, to kind of nestle in the front of the building near the lobby. You know, we're still gonna have some trash truck have to back in and load a couple times a week, but very temporary in nature. So we're excited that that might be a little pull-off area for guests to be dropped off deliveries, looking at delivery storage kind of in that same lobby zone. And these things will be refined as we move forward and make sure they're meeting all of the needs. you know, just holding space at this point for fire command, trash, lobby office, deliveries based on feedback we received prior from the staff. It's a very top-of-the-line. I will say. It's a proper lobby now. There you go. It really is. And then, yeah, so then some refinements. I think we talked about with the, there's some great possibilities for option 6B in terms of e-bikes. We were excited to have a bike charging room potentially down where you take the elevators down and maybe there's just a very specific location for e-bike charging because we've talked about the issues with batteries and concern from the fire department. And so we're looking at a dedicated location for e-bikes. We're looking at some locations with landscape on really where we would like to have bike racks. Just kind of digging in on trying to locate them in the best locations so that they'll be utilized and really try to reduce the use of cars. And so that's what they're going to be digging into next. And then looking at certain bikes up at the courtyard because of the connection to the storage area, but then also, townies and e-bikes down at this level to quickly jump out on the road and have a shorter connection to get over to the Snowmass Center. Again, just holding some space for electric and pumps and you know, kind of water connections and all those things to be refined with our engineers once they get back in the loop. So those are our plans. We're not really showing all of the doors yet. We're just kind of holding space, but we would potentially have some larger doors once we kind of lay out how the racks would work and how we were the charging would be. We just haven't quite got to that point yet. Would you go through the parking garage or would you be able to access that like? You would be able to come down the elevators from your unit and then potentially go right into that e-bike charging room and then we would, we're working on this direct pathway that takes you right out to that lower so that you would pop out down here on the road. So you would be able to avoid the switchback. Okay. Okay. And then so this... Oops. I need to go a little further. That's still six. There we go. So these are some enlarged plans of our... Okay, so this is where... You know, this is our Plaza level here with the lobby. And again, there's that whole level of parking on the Plaza level. And then once you go up a level, we start to have units and all of our storage for all of the different unit sizes and we have taken a really quick pass at looking at five by seven areas for the one bedroom and studios and then we have some eight by eight storage areas for two bedrooms and then I think we have some eight by tens for our three bedrooms. So they're pretty ample storage areas just in this initial testing and then this is that community room or you know if that wasn't you know deemed necessary we could use that for additional storage. But there's a connection on grade out to the courtyard and so if people were storing mountain bikes they they could potentially come out to that courtyard and then go up the service road and connect to that town trail that we talked about last time where we won't need to reconfigure that trail as we would have needed to in the previous designs. You might just point out that the backside of that is underground. I mean, it's in the hillside and that's why it's such a good spot for the store. Exactly. Yeah, this wall here and along here, even wrapping around a little bit where this is where we're going to work on the tiers will be kind of engraved. And so that's, we really can't have units in in those locations so it's a great spot for storage So all of that storage is a full level kind of It's a black ground more or less. Well, it's it's on grade at the courtyard It's just that it's buried along these two elevations Yeah, yeah And again, yeah, we. Yeah. And again, we'll continue to refine how many doors are needed and just looking at refining the layout of the cage storage. But it's pretty great because we can have some level of security with this storage in general, potentially having keypad access to get into the storage area. And then obviously the cages can be locked by the owners themselves. So there's sort of a double level of security. And I, you know, I've had friends that are, you know, living more in the front range. And when the, I think there's a little easier access sometimes to storage when it's adjacent to the parking. And this is even up a level from parking parking and so it's a little bit harder for people to get to which is nice. And then so this gets into our typical floor plans. We've been working with Betsy on just on the unit mix and so right now we've got three bedroom on this corner here and on this corner here and then we have two bedrooms on these three corners really just trying to optimize our allowable wall space for egress windows and so that's kind of been our strategy all along is to you know really get the most units per level and so our one bedrooms are more buried and buried and they have egress just out of one bedroom in their living space. So that's why we're really trying to get those larger units on our corners. Again, having our stair cores and then our elevator core. And the two bedroom and the knuckle. Oh, right. Yeah, so this, we're still refining it a little bit, but based on Betsy's feedback that two bedrooms give her a lot of flexibility in either having, you know, a small family or a roommate situation. We've been kind of refining this knuckle unit. It's a unique unit because it is, you know, kind of at the corner, the inside corner of an L shape.hape. And so it's a little tricky, but we're looking at, you know, giving that a little more generous square footage, which might actually make it easier to lay out from an accessible standpoint. So it might have actually a little more floor area, so it's easier for turn circles and designing a slightly larger kitchen, for example, for accessible needs. All right. And then continue to go up and we're matching the same configuration as we move up until we get to that uppermost level. And then this is where you can see how we've removed units in this location and this location and that was the stair core that Brito was asking about where we're sort of sloping down the roof of that and then this is the elevator core. So right now we were looking at this as being our actual hangout area but we can continue to refine you know, this area would be open for heat pumps and PV, as well as this area, as well as the uppermost roof that would be above these units back here. And gee, do you know a few of the dimensions of that deck area that we're looking at? It's really pretty sizable. So it's pretty flexible. It is about 70 feet by 40 maybe. About like 32 or something like that. So yeah. You lot on that. Yeah. Yeah, landscape is really excited to dig in there. These were the small planters we were showing that are kind of over the covered decks where we could really, you know, kind of tuck that in a little bit on that level. And then, so we do have a couple more unique unit plans based on the fact that it has the L shape. So we're just kind of showcasing our refinements on those. But the three bedrooms, there's sort of two configurations, pretty similar. You know, we do have a couple different one bedrooms and then a studio configuration. And then this shows our, we do have three different two bedroom configurations, kind of based on again that knuckle configuration. And then they're very similar, but it's kind of where they hit the hallway in terms of where the entries are into the units. And then, so Hazelden, we refined our numbers to make sure they were apples to apples in terms of square footages, you know, on a high level. And they were, you know, finding that it was a very similar cost. Again, we lost one unit, but we did gain 10 bedrooms. And so we thought that that was a positive, that was positive feedback and that we're housing potentially more people, but that the refinements on our parking garage level, that we talked about where we sort of optimized the footprint and the shoring really ended up in their mind creating kind of a wash between the two options. We do feel like, you know, as we move forward and really get our engineers back on board, We think that there are a lot of areas where we actually could, you know, bring this number down further. We've gotten some feedback from Hazelden on a prior pricing exercise about a different structural stud system that they've been utilizing at base village. And so we really are excited to dig in with them, you know, once we sort of have the height and massing and density dialed in, we really want to kind of go into that detail level and understand if we can bring the cost down even more, which was their initial feedback, was that a different structural system might really help. So, on cost. And just a couple things that I'll add and then, you know we'll turn it, obviously, turn it over. But the price difference was negligible. And I think the extra bedrooms, having a few more two bedrooms and a few more three bedrooms, again, three bedrooms also allow us the flexibility either house a family or house three roommates. And just so that you know when we have roommates like true roommates all of them need to work full-time in Snowmass Village. So having the extra 10 bedrooms was I thought very attractive, you know, a really attractive option. I did, I've also been looking at the financing for this and really the more like what can we do to bring the gap down? And so obviously reducing the cost a little bit as we move forward will bring the gap down, but there's also always things that happen. And so I've been looking at having sort of a mixed income structure. We've never done this before in any of our other housing where we've charged a different amount based on someone's income. I I think that that could be appropriate here so that people who make more money would pay a little bit more for the unit. And by doing that we've I've probably shaved off about three million, two million, two to three million from the gap that we had $11 million gap under six. So it's more like an $8 million gap now. And we're also looking at other financing sources that I mentioned last time. I put a letter of intent in today to the Colorado Housing Finance Authority for they have a middle income housing tax credit program, which is a sort of a complicated program, but you can get about $5 million potentially through that. So we're really chipping, really chipping away at it from approaching it from an income standpoint, you know, equity standpoint and a cost standpoint. So, ta-da. And we're, we're really excited. We feel like this is starting to really come together and address a lot of the, the issues that we were seeing in some of the other designs. So, great. Thank you guys so much and thank you for taking the time and going back and, you know, tweaking some things that were important to those of us sitting up here that had strong feelings about certain elements. So I think that's great. And even though we didn't increase the unit size, it's good to see that we can increase the number of bedrooms. How many bedrooms were originally in the 79 unit? Do you remember? We have a 12 unit. It's 119. One 18 was in the 79 you know. Do you remember? We have it on the head. It's 119. 119. 119 was in the 79 unit design what we went to the voters with. But is that the one you mean? Yeah. Yeah. And then how many total in this one? We have 95. 95. 95. So I mean that's pretty damn good. That's pretty good. Yeah. Right. Great. Well, the parking, by the way, too, she didn't really touch on it much, but I feel much more comfortable with the parking count that we have now. We have one bedroom now. We have more than one per bed. Yeah, it's like one in a hot. Or go ahead. I think we have more than one per. It's close to that. But it's also, I really like personally. I really like the surface parking. It gives us, I mean mean it can all be designated for visitors. It could all be Wired for EV charge or either now or in the future. It's a lot there. There's the count So yeah, we have 80 is what is you know kind of dictated by the two per three bedroom, and a half per two bedroom and one per one bedroom and one per studio and then we have three extra right now and then but then on the surface we do have an additional you know 20 surface parking spaces which has gone up I think we might have had 16 or 16. Yeah, that's a total of 103. Yes. Okay. And based on my experience, that is definitely an adequate parking ratio based on what's in our other housing. Yeah. Very close to the zoning requirement. The one thing to be careful of is, you know, it's just, if the three bedrooms really go to three roommates, you know, could push it, but I think the 20 extra spaces outside gives a lot of flexibility. Yeah. Yeah, I think the change in parking is definitely more comfortable. The blending with the natural environment makes a huge difference. You know, when you look at those two side by side. And I'm glad that we could increase the number of beds. So I guess I'll turn it over to council members to make their sort of comments and initial reactions that's opportunities for changes. Anything you guys feel like sharing. Susan, you want to go first? Okay. Okay. Well, after our last meeting about the draw site, I couldn't sleep because I was concerned that we were, you know, decreasing units. And so now I feel better that we have some extra bedrooms. So that's, I think I can sleep tonight, hopefully. But I just really appreciate that you've really listened to all the concerns we have. And I think we've addressed a lot of them. And so I'm feeling pretty good about it. Great. Any other points feedback, any changes, anything that you saw that doesn't resonate with you? No. I mean the only thing I think about a little bit is what the light and the kind of like the view and the light from those units that are on the back L shape. And so I guess I have a kind of a question about what that's going to be like. We haven't seen a section that way. Yeah, yeah, we're I mean, that's part of the development that we're hoping, you know, with civil and landscape to really. On the other side, the other side. I think both sides, but yeah, well, you can see where existing grade is coming in. And so we are kind of carving down in order to get. egress out of this level here on the other side. But we are really feeling like that it's increasing, or I guess how should I say this, civil has given us the feedback that we are, we're carving grade less in this than in the previous 79 unit option. And because of the fact that we're also, you know, we have that storage along this level here that's buried on the backside. And then we're going to, you know, really sensitively kind of grade down without, you know, we're hoping to avoid steep retaining and just kind of regrade in that area. And so we're feeling like, you know, it's not, you know, it's not, it's not steep retaining, it's not like we're gonna have light wells along that side. We feel that we can regrade and have the natural landscape really be out the window there. And if you sort of look at, oh, go ahead. Is there a way to pull the floor? Yeah. That might also. Yeah. So one of the things, I mean those will have the least good view, right? But they also have those decks that they can come out and get a view that's not up against the wall but down into where it opens up, onto Brush Creek. And that helps as well. And then we talked about light in the hallways, which we're going to have windows at the ends of the hallways, so that won't be so very cavernous. So, but you know, there's no question those will have the least good of the views, but the ones to the interior of the courtyard will also have a beautiful courtyard view of the draw, the other side of the draw. The ones that are in the courtyard, so there, I mean, is it like a true deck that's sectioned off? Like, is there an access to the courtyard? We haven't gotten quite that far. I think it could go either way. I mean we would like for them to feel like there is their own private deck area. And so I think that that's where landscape was going to start to look at. You know, do we have some vegetation that makes those decks that are on grade with the courtyard, you know, kind of defined and feel, you know, also so that people, you know, don't just have all their stuff spew out, you know, into the shared courtyard. So there's definition of their personal space, but then, you know, I think it will really depend on, you know, it could be that those are, you know, right at grade, there might be a, you know, a tiny bit of retaining that defines the decks. And so that's where civil is really kind of digging in right now with landscape on, you know, we want the grade to kind of come in and see where that happens naturally with the vehicular circulation and then the bike, you know, kind of, the bikes coming out and around the building. So I think there's a lot of different factors that they're weighing. But we would hope that those small decks would be defined, but still potentially have the ability to then connect out directly to the courtyard. Yeah, I mean, when I walk a lot, I go past Fairway 3. And I think one of the nice things about Fairway 3 is like that, I don't know, it feels like more of like a community, because people have their little deck but then they have the grassy space and you always see kids playing with one another and no no I mean I think the way it's set and the feel of it is really nice. And so something similar to that. To have a little bit of it. Well I think when you because they have their deck but it's not like sectioned off with the you know like a big wall or something and yet I don't know it just creates a really nice feel like a more of a community feel versus like I mean obviously in the upper levels you have to have railing you can't just have like open decks off the side but I don't know I think it could create more of a community feel in there so I just think that's the nice one of the nice factors at Fairway 3. And if those are the units that are maybe have the less view, then they have that nice access, which seems like a good deal. Yeah, for sure. I've lived in an apartment where a friend of mine had a ground level, and because she did have a dog, she could just let her dog right out for a second, and obviously the monitor your pets but it was you didn't have to go down a stairwell with your dog everything you could just walk her dog right out for a second and obviously have to monitor your pets. But it was, you didn't have to go down a stairwell with your dog every minute. You could just walk right out. So there's definitely some pros and cons. And I think as we develop out that community room, there's a lot of potential there for indoor, outdoor space as well. And then, I think one of our thoughts always has been that the roof deck is another location where, you know, if the people that don't have as much sun, you know, from their unit, they're going to have more of the, you know, northeastern or western sunlight, they could pop up to that roof deck if they really were wanting to just, you know, be in the sun a little bit more. So I think that was definitely part of our consideration of the roof deck. So, okay. Any other thoughts, Susan? No, we have a time. Tom. Yeah, I think we finally have a solution that works. You know, all designs are compromised, and I think we've gotten to where it's a pretty good balance yet. If any further you can push up the hill without adding cost or whatever would be I think beneficial from an aesthetic point of view. But I think it's, we've finally gotten into where it's making a lot of sense. I have a few little tweaks and stuff that I'll go over with you. Literally else give you their general comments. By the way, I'm pretty happy with it. Yeah. Okay. Sessley? I definitely am liking the direction that 6B is going in. And I think that when I look at it, I like the unit mix. I like that you guys were able to do additional bedrooms. I like where you're going with the materials. And I think, you know, at the risk of sounding really difficult, I would love to see like one more iteration on just the material blending, the roof line sort of visual aspect. And you know, just as we stand here and look out at base village, there's the tonal, when you're looking at the, sort of the large buildings that are built with the dark wood. When I look at them, I don't love how that dark wood is going to age. Like it doesn't look like, there can be like apartment buildings. I've seen some apartment buildings in Switzerland or in these materials may not be materials we can use. But in Switzerland or in Austria that just like bring awe, you're just like that is such a beautiful panel of like beautiful wood or like things that really blend in the space. So it's not like a fake blend. It's like a real, like a true, like enhancement of the natural beauty. And when I look at the how much of that dark wood has been done across the way, I think on one hand, it is nice to have the darker colors and the draw. On the other it may not look, I would just really love to see materials that are like inspiring. And so I guess like an ask to just do one more kind of pass at trying to get the materials to blend in and maybe this is we're not quite to this point yet but then also to see how much we can sort of mess with the roof line or the and I really do think that you've taken a huge step towards what I'm asking right now but just like one one more step towards that, because this is a big part of our view shed in snowmass village. And I do think it's like, and again, I'm apologizing for being difficult, but I just want to maybe take one more iteration of it to try to get it to blend in as much as possible. And I think you've taken the iteration, the difference between the two is notable. And so I think we're on our right path. And yeah, I'm not an architect giving design feedback, so I apologize for that, but there are instances where I've seen apartment buildings that have a little bit more of an alpine feel or a little bit, just a little less of a modern feel which can be just so beautiful. And I think this is headed in the right direction. It's just a matter of figuring out the visual aspect, the roof line and the materials. Yeah. Actually, can I comment on that? Yeah, I was just going to say. So I guess one question I would maybe have for Clint and Betsy is, I mean, I've been thinking that we were at, you know, we're showing very conceptual materials at this point, you know, and they all will need to be non-combustible materials to meet the fire code. And obviously, we'll push them as far as we can within the budget. I guess my thought was that we really are trying to get feedback on height, mass, scale, density at this point. And then I was anticipating that we would continue to refine the materials in more of the preliminary stage. So we're excited about that. But on the roof line question, I think I would ask for a little bit more clarity, because we don't really have a roof line per se. We have removed units here, but ultimately there is a flat roof deck at those levels. And then this is also a flat roof that's needed for the ceiling height of these units. And so I think our strategy has been to keep the roofs as minimal as possible by having them be flat, but then remove units to create the underlation that you're seeing. And so I think maybe that would be just what I would ask is, you know, is there an ability to define more, you know, you know and and maybe it's a question for everybody you know on council too but I think that's the parts that we are. I think we have a little bit of an undulation here with our parapet, which is trying to, we have a removal of a unit, then we have our stair core that pops up and then this is a shaped, you know, parapet condition for the flat roof of that of the roof deck. And then again, you know, on this end, we are, you know, shaping the parapet a little bit, but we're, but these are really flat roofs. I guess I just wanted to, we don't really, we didn't have a roof plan in this set. So I just wanted to maybe clarify that. I think when I look at, again, I'm a not architect giving design feedback, which is not like ideal. But I think when I look at the, I think the street line do feel sharp to me, like in the view, in the view line. So you're right. But I do like that it's broken up. And I guess I'm just in some ways I don't know what I'm asking for, but it's like can we can we break it up just a little bit more and not making there is like sort of a it is a it's a mass question. It's just what you've done already is you've taken this mass and and you've it down so incredibly And I'm just asking I guess is there like another step we can take in And and maybe part of what I'm seeing here is these like sort of modern edges that I'm like, oh is that like and and We do look across the valley at like exactly that so it's not completely attic character. I just am having a hard time double downing, like on that, doubling down on that. And even when you look at Town Hall, we do have these like, this huge building. But the way the roof line looks when you're looking at this building, it actually looks like a much smaller building than it is. So I guess that, and I apologize again for not being the best at articulating what my desire is, but I think that potentially what I'm asking for is just like kind of the final tweaks to attempt to make this like more alpine and more Sort of what snowmess was before before base village and and a little bit less modern meeting the the visual aspects of base village and again just like helping take it, like break it up a little bit more with the mass. And that's not discrediting what you've done because I think this was like a huge step in the right direction. And so maybe, I don't know if you, if pictures would help, if we had sort of... Let us take, I mean, let's get the rest of the feedback and we'll take a stab at it. I mean, yeah. But Erica said, along with the way, yes, we'll look at it. And I can make you a picture. I can just take my screen grabs and send it to Clint to share with you. I delighted to, because that is like a picture's worth, especially like my words are not coming across particularly well describing the design. So I'd be happy to send you screenshots of what I was thinking. Okay. Yeah. Well, and the other thing, I'll just reiterate you, I'm sure you know this, but this, we're still at a pretty schematic stage, you know, and the next step from a, from the planning standpoint is preliminary approval, which we really present a sort of a schematic design. Well, no, preliminary, it's much more developed. It's your final design, because after that it's just final design, which is the base that we'd never see it. But as the owner, we will continue to go back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is what I guess what I want to say. The primary design is a lot of drawing. It's a lot of drawing, but we will, I mean, you'll be a quasi-judicial, but when that's done, you'll be the owners again, right? And there's a lot of opportunity to talk about things like materials and, you know. Just to clarify, it's a misnomer preliminary design it's really detailed design it is what you show planning commission and us in terms of your materials is what you're expected to build I mean at that point and that's why I think it's good to have the community input and all that before that because once you commit to that, that's done. You're only after I get its review by community development, the final work in drawing. So it's... But it's not full design development is one of the things that you can do. Anyway. Okay, Britta. So, thank you guys. This is really feeling much more in character. Really, I think the massaging you've done is getting us so much closer to something that's going to be more palatable from the perspective of the community that's just going to look at this building as a building and not what's within it. And I think that that's kind of the part of the community that I've tried to represent in my concerns of how it's going to feel in Mass-Scale height. I think, you know, we're really at a strong spot with density. I think the number of units, beds, it feels really appropriate for this site, I appreciate the parking, you know, the movement and the flow. It's tough because even with taking that floor off, which I really, really appreciate, I think that brings it down to a much more acceptable height. It still has this vertical intensity and without taking any more off of it, without reevaluating the height itself, are there ways, you know, as Sussley was suggesting with the roof liner? Are there architectural elements that can help with the accentuated vertical nature of it and kind of soften it, give it a more perhaps alpine or I would say organic feel to that roof line so perhaps it doesn't have those modern edges and in a way doesn't bring the eye up to that vertical. And again, I'm not, and I don't have the architectural language either, but what I see is an opportunity to work with, yes, materials, but also perhaps the edges and the points to kind of take down that impact of vertical accentuation. You know, and I do think that just changing the coloring a bit has helped a lot with that. So maybe take that a little bit further. You know, really look at the palettes of what's happening in the draw site and what is working. I kind of drove around snowmast today just thinking what's really visually, you know, subdued versus notable, whether or not I like it. I was trying to take that out of my mind and just see what's more subdued and what's less impactful to help with that vertical. So and I'm sure you have the skill set in the skill set in the next iterations here to work on materials, but I would just put that out there as an issue for the now, because I think it addresses the height concern, that if we're gonna feel like we would get any pushback from the community at this stage. I still think it's going to be on that height. So any efforts that can be made to address that vertical accentuation, and I would say to reduce that. To perhaps, you know, I was again looking around at various structures and seeing like, Oh, they've done more of a horizontal approach to the way that the materials wrap around, the building that kind of breaks it into less of a focal point that keeps your eye moving up the structure, but breaks it up in a horizontal as opposed to vertical. I don't know. I'm just, I'm asking for you to kind of address that vertical height concern without trying to take a floor off, because that would be obvious as a way to reduce the height. But if we're, if we're happy and content with this, the way that it's coming together, how can we address that additional concern? And I like the idea of exploring something, perhaps just slightly more alpine, a little less harsh, maybe less triangular, particularly on the corners. I think the corner edging is where it really feels out of character with the view line of the hill. So and I'm not trying to design it in any way, even in my mind. I'm just making these comments to see what perhaps you could come back with. And again, the angelating, I would say, could be done on the roof line to break up what feels like a stark harsh angle, and maybe soften it. In fact, I was looking at the planters, which I really like that element, but wondering if there's a way to soften that harsh point that the planters come to in a way to give it a more organic feel. I don't know. That's just a because it's a planter. It's not necessarily a roof or a deck. Maybe that jetting out could be a place to work on. And let's see. Yeah, I think just I look forward to seeing what you come up with with materials, texture, color, that kind of thing to help address that vertical accentuation. And then because we know, because we, I'm assuming we're going to have an opportunity to see one more round before we are looking at preliminary, particularly because we've got landscaping and whatnot. I would love to request a couple additional view lines or perspectives, if possible. Any particular spot you'd like to see? Yeah, I'd like to see, and this is going to be challenging. So I understand if you have a better suggestion of how to see. But when you're rising above it, like when you're driving up a faraway road, up a faraway coming down, and you're looking down at it, or you're up on the gondola, looking looking down at it I think that will give us an idea of what that additional leg is gonna look like from an air not exactly an aerial but places where people will actually be looking at it from you know When you're riding your bike or when you're up on the mountain or when you're driving down far away road So And I'd love to see your window in a nice place. I'd love to see your window in a nice place. And one of the things, and we kind of swapped it out for the juice view, because that was a new one. We could go and. And the juice view is really helpful. I think that really does help a lot. So I'm appreciative of that. And then there was one other, oh, well, because I'm concerned about how the heat pumps are gonna potentially add to that roof. I'd love to see kind of just what the roof top is going to look like in the next iteration. And just kind of really get that a little more dialed. Get those heat pumps on there and give us an idea if that's going to add to the vertical scaling or if that's going to help articulate it more and maybe alleviate some of that. I think there's some potential for that. So I guess again, not to overemphasize it, it's the vertical that I have a concern with that I think is going to be the visual impact that our community might push back on. So otherwise, I'm really, really appreciative of where this is going. So, thank you very much. You know, I think as you and Cessli were making those comments, it kind of reminds me of, I just had to pull a picture to confirm, but it kind of reminds me of the difference between one snow mass and Hayden and Capitol P Absolutely. One of the snowmass has very sharp edges. Hayden and capital peak have more of like a loggy alpine feel. And so I think that's what you guys are trying to say. I mean like right now it's kind of mirroring one snowmass. Like if you pull up a picture of one snowmass it's those points. So maybe when I was looking at the pictures of Hayden and Capitol Peak, you see how they softened it, A, they have the horizontal boards that are pretty pronounced. And the height is not that much different. It's just, it's got a different feel to it. So maybe it's like if you look at those, I think that's what you guys are saying. No, I appreciate you bringing that up because that was kind of those three. I was looking at the, you know, the ice ray and then snowmouse one and the Hayden and the Hayden and the Capitol Peak. I mean, they're the oldest buildings in the base village and so much change design wise between that and one snowmass and now all the other ones that are going up so which definitely have a more modern feel. I think the light coloration and it just the mass and and vertical impact of the vice-ray is dramatic and then I would say, snowmass one, one snowmass has the next level of drama. And then the Hayden and Capitol is a little bit softer. So if you were to look at the three, I lean towards feeling a higher level of character and comfort on the softer side. But it deferred to you to have a higher level. that how your tree house is? I'm sorry. Yeah, Hayden and Capitol Peak. Okay. It's a tree house. Those are original buildings from these buildings. Yeah, okay. That makes sense. And yes, it is the difference between a pretty... It's a very stark, like, when you look at... we'll all walk out right now and be able to look at the newer buildings, but the impact that they have on the horizon is very intense. And right, this is a little bit more snow lodge, a little bit more chalet, European, cozy, even though it's massive. Yeah, I mean, I echo a lot of the seam sentiments up here. I think I had a question on, it said somewhere in here, I don't even remember. It It said we believe the debris and storm water management can all be managed on site without needing to use the point site. Like when will we have a more definitive answer? Because I do feel like the point site is that special spot that sort of ties this whole area together. We will not impact the point site. They can't say that yet because we don't have the design done but we know that's a design directive. Okay. Good. And then on the units that are like the lowest level of units that face the front like face towards town hall like I'm just curious like if you're on that balcony, what are you really looking at? Oh, you got a great view. Well, I'm here up high. You're a little over. Right, but it's hard for me to tell right now, like how, I don't know, it's like somehow it felt like you were just like looking at the top of that roof. I'm going to go over it. I think a lot of the two will be the detail of, you know, we're showing like a guardrail height that's more solid. And so when you're sitting on a deck, you know, it's a sort of, it's a trick to bring your eye up. You know, if you're standing on the edge looking down, you know, there would be the surface part that we have in this design. But I think when you're sitting on the deck, when you have a more solid rail, your eye just goes right out to snowmass. So I'd agree, I think those are gonna be wonderful views. Okay. Yeah, it just was. So tell these apartments for a lot of money on the open screen. Yeah. Cash out. I don't tell Jay. There's nothing compromised in these. Okay. Tom, did you want to add any of your other spare items? Yeah, then I got to some, because I think you guys do a great job. I think we're really a good spot. And some things that I saw that I'm sure you're going to get to, or you're going to think about, I just want to throw it out there. And also, I scan these, my comments. I'll send them to Clint. I'll send them to you in more detail. But if you can go to first the site plan, I'll go a clean, I'll send them to you in more detail. But if you can go to first the site plan, I'll go quickly through these so, pour everybody. Okay, I'm gonna have the first page, yeah. Okay, you're showing slope on here at a core of an inch of foot, which is great, but I wonder if you can increase that slope to reduce the excavation. You know, get it so when you get to this point up in here, it's just the minimum you need for clearance for the cars. A core of an inch of foot is like not even noticeable, it's not for what you put in for just great water drainage. But if you increase it, it would just save money by reducing the excavation. Yeah, we've talked about how we think, you know, because of where we want to hit grade right when you turn around. I'm talking about the parking level. No, I know, but on the lower parking level. A lower parking level. Yeah, so we're saying when you first come in, we could have parking for some of the taller vehicles, and then as you go back, it might be that you have. I think we're talking about the same thing. Just do every can to reduce the excavation, much as possible. All right, let's go. Okay. Then, yeah, let's um, well, no, look at it. Oh, okay. Let's just go to the floor plans start with the parking level plans. Yeah, that's it. Okay. So, um, yeah, this is good. But I think a building like this should have a separate service entrance for you to move in, move out, you know, so you don't have to bring your stuff to the lobby or somehow bring it through the parking garage. So over in here, I think if you could reorganize this a little bit, maybe get a service corridor through here on this side. You have them bumping out a little bit more there for the trash. I think that would really be helpful. And then another level that is maybe you could get like, you know, continue the paving up here and you could access, you have your garbage trucks, your trash trucks could pull up here and also any moving vent, huh? What's that? Sorry, I tried to hold that sneeze and it came out of me. I'm very badly. But if you could, you know, one thought is maybe extend the drive up into here and just have an area where you could have service vehicles. You could get those service vehicles off from the front door of the building. Particularly some of these moving and moving out, there's gonna be a truck sitting there for hours by the front door. And again, I'll send you all these little markups I did. And it only because I have a lot of time on my hand, so anyway. I'm all right. Let's go to the first of the floor plans. Or the one with this. Yeah, let's take this one. Okay. And it's really nice to have these windows at the end of the corridors. Sorry. But I tell you, if this was a developer doing this, a luxury apartment building, you wouldn't have that much corridor-way space wasted just to have a view out the window. Most people come in, and there's a nice window by the elevator, which is great, and they go to their apartment, and that's it. They're not spent time in the corridor. I did a rough calculation. I think there's all these dead-end corridors, which give you the window, which is a nice thing, but again, it's a lot of space. I think it's about 900 square feet of space, which is a lot of space. And I think of that space we've better use, putting it into the apartment layouts, making the apartments nicer than just having a window. You just mean at the very, like, when after the hit the entrance, just like right here, That's the last doorways here. All of that is just luxury space sitting there so you can get a window to get some natural. And you know here I mean here's the last door here and all that is just extra space. And down here I mean where's the entrance? It's here was the stair entrance. I mean there's just when you add it up into a- How about the corridor? After the door and you can bring- And you put the space into the apartments. We've been reading this one in terms of sliding this unit over and then reconfiguring. We don't need maintenance. I mean, these are all things that as you develop it to look at. But no, they're great suggestions, actually. But yeah, we've already, we have been looking at that as well. Because we were trying to figure out exactly where the increases in square footage had come from the last version and just being sensitive to those things. Yeah, and I mean, it makes sense to, I'm out when it just like cut the building back because you have, and make that outward space or something. I think put it into the apartment, because you're building it anyway. Put it into the apartment. The apartments could really use it. I mean, like this unit here, and I'm sure this is just drafting it or, but that bedroom is 10 feet by 10 feet, which is really tight if you have a queen bed in there. I mean, that is there's no place to put a dresser, for example. So again, I mean, if that's, you could pick up some space from that cord, or I think people would much rather have the space in the apartment than have it in a cord, or they're never going to go over and look up that window. And these are things I'm sure you would get to. You go up to the roof plan or the top floor plan. Again, these are just some geeky things. So, and I think there's all great. And I mean, you're showing, I can't remember, I was at showing PVs over there. You probably won't have... You probably won't have enough sunlight there, but so that would be a great place to put some of your heat pumps. But anyway, here if you move the door to the stair up and then you can eliminate this whole corridor. It's not neat. I'm sure you guys are moving fast. These are all things, but these are things to think about. You can save some space there and put it into the roof. If you set these doors back a couple feet, you could have nice canopy over the doors for the rain and stuff as you go in and out. These are just, again, very geeky things. And then I had a couple of thin markups on the unit layout which I'll send to you if you look at. So just some things to think about. I think I know I've been a huge critic through all this but I think we finally have I think something seems appropriate on this site and I think I think in a great job with the parking there's no ramps it's much more efficient I mean the basement area is as little as it needs to be you know it's I think you're tightening it up so thank you. Congratulations. Thanks. Alright. So a few comments to what Tom was saying. just, just because these are, this is an experience I have with my house. The solar panels, like where those are going to be put, is there like a mechanism to get the, they're going to be at an aspect where they won't be gathering snow. And, are they, I agree with Tom that that aspect probably just won't work in this corner over here because it's the aspect there on my house and they just sit there with a bunch of snow on them and they don't get enough sun. And then I think I mentioned this last time, but I still fear that the design of those decks on the inner courtyard side is going to make them so they are very hot and not particularly useful in the summer, which is probably the months where people enjoy using them the most. So just kind of checking where the sun's hitting that, you know, any given time of the afternoon. And if there's anything we can do, I think the lower enclosure is really helpful, like the bottom piece so that the decking itself isn't so hot that you can't step on it. But also just ensuring that if there's any other design elements we could add to that to make them if we're going to spend the money giving people decks we should make them usable during peak summertime and some of that aspect can be so hot that you just can't sit on a deck. Well you do realize that they're covered. They're covered. that there's a roof on every deck. There are a covered. They're all pretty significantly shaded. Like, yeah. Completely covered, I believe. Yeah. You know, they can go out there in the rain. Yeah. OK. That makes sense. Yeah. And I think one of the requirements of preliminary two was more solar studies. And had done them for the previous design and we would Include them, but I you know you can see right now with the you know, so true north is up on the site plan here All of our plans are are turned to fit on the page But you know, I think that a lot of the decks will have certain times of the day You know that will have more direct sun and then a lot of times where they'll have more indirect sun. So I think that's also where the roof deck and then the courtyard provide options for when it is too hot. You could go to areas of the courtyard that are shaded. Right. And we've been thinking about shade up on that roof, up on the upper moh from the roof deck too So I think those are definitely all refinements that we would like to get to in the coming phases, but we're really sensitive to shading and making sure you have options of where to go. Yeah. Because yeah, we all understand the color of it. We're regarding solar panels. I assume the reason we're trying to put these here is because we already own them on site because now that Holy Cross is virtually all renewable, it doesn't. I wouldn't invest in solar panels, but we got them. But one thought is you could build, there are a lot of places where there's parking areas you could have a roof over these outdoor parking put the panels on there we've talked about relocating You know the existing panels maybe to that location Because I think the idea was for because they were donated for the town hall. So I think that's a good reminder that when our landscape team is looking at those, and I wonder if there's, you know, that might even help from the town hall view, having a one story element more in the foreground, you know, right above that parking deck, and then it does- It'll also be nice for the people parking there in the snow. Yeah, so that could be, that could be. I mean, and then. It'll have a visual impact. It'll have a visual impact, but probably not that different from what it has now. Yeah. I might be worth looking at, but if they're there to drive town hall, then maybe put them there. And we were thinking that there would be, you know, we would look at whether we could work with core or other local, you know, kind of people to contribute to panels on the roof to offset the utility cost. But I don't, it's not necessarily, it doesn't have to be that way. It's very much like- It's hard to justify, because I have panels on my house. It's hard to justify the upfront cost of buying panels and installing them and all the things you need to do with them, particularly now that Holy Cross will be 100% renewable very soon. And CORE doesn't even support panels so much anymore. Right, we've been talking with them more about the heat pumps. Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, so again, I wouldn't knock yourself out trying to get these solar panels there unless it was felt if they're there to drive town hall, you know, or to relocate them, then you got to keep them sort of somewhere close to town hall and maybe put them over the parking there but otherwise yeah I think that's a great one to knock yourself out for the solar panels. Yep, we could with that. So it seems like I'm holding the commons are positive and things that you know they'll be more defined as you go down the road I guess the biggest thing is just the vertical massing and to see what could be done to continue to bring that down. I don't even know what the correct terms are, but make it feel more in line with alpine versus the modern. So going more towards Hayden and Capitol Peak and less towards one snowmass. Is that commune kids what I'm thinking? Is that clear enough for you guys? We'll be back in April 7th with landscape and some other stuff and we'll keep working on it with you. Okay. Okay, anything else? Any other, I wanna make sure everyone got all of their thoughts out. I was like clear about those different perspectives as well. The only one, the only perspective is far away or the gondola right? Yeah. I mean, just some kind of view from above that a human would be not a few of you. Not an aerial think also I mean where you could see that upper side of the building. I want to hit in the hillside. That's the goal is to understand with that for me. Yeah. I would understand what that else shape would look like. So an elevation more than a view. No, no. A view but one that maybe is like from over this direction is now a sort of saying. Sure. I mean, I think from above, but where somebody would actually be. Yeah. So that we're not just getting an aerial perspective, but like a trail. Yeah, like a trail. Like if you drive up far away road, you look out over it. If you're rising up on the gondola, you would see it. Yeah, don't you already have photos? Never gone to the one. Yeah, you have the gun to the one. So if that's comfortable, we've got that one. We can start. If you're rising up on the gondola, you would see it. It's not going to be effective. Don't you already have photos for that? Never gone to the one. Yeah. You have the gondola one. So if that's comfortable, we've got that one. We can start from there. And you guys can compare from there. Probably. I think I would imagine that's what I'm trying to do. Well, and I also think I can't promise this. but when the landscape starts to work on the courtyard, you're also gonna get a sort of a courtyard view of what it'll look like for people in the courtyard on the building. Yeah, we haven't really, yeah we wanted to let them catch up on the design of that before kind of highlighting that side. Okay. Is that it? Anything else? Yeah. Thank you guys very much. We really appreciate it. It was nice to see you. Thank you. Okay. We just might be number four six here. I know that's exciting. Down council reports and actions. Britta, do you have anything? We had a sister city's meeting. Nothing new. A lot of activity happening. It's all on the website. The one big exciting thing that we're starting to talk about now is the 2026 Garmish anniversary, 60th. You're old, no? Yeah. I'm going to be wonderful. Now, they're coming here and it's a 60th anniversary. So we're going to make it big. It's probably the biggest anniversary that sister's is going to celebrate. Yeah. That's their first one. They got a road. Yeah. That's great. And then are you going to call them Thursday? That's the Thursday, right? Yes. No,'t know. Are you in your gun? I'm gone. So that's why I will try. It's not planning to, but given that you're not going to be available. They're doing a nice tour of the tiny home and the training facility they use. Yeah, I am not going to be there. So Patty's covering the meeting for me, but it's fine either. I'll do my best. Yeah, it's fine. No problem. Tom. Yeah. So. You got to go to Raff, definitely. I hope you're on the audit committee. You got to show up. A very short meeting, which was good, but some interesting things. There's been a lot of conversation in the community here at Upper Valley about possibly using the bus lanes during rush hour to help with the congestion, leaving aspirin, and stuff like that. And, uh, it occurred outlined very clearly that it can't be used. Bustlings cannot be used because of the way they were funded and created. There's absolutely no way that they can be used. What about for emergency? Oh, emergency. Yeah, of course. Yeah. As you know, there's the planning summits can be on May 8th with Réfta. Yeah, that's the annual. Carve no town hall. The airport's going to be closed. This is just interesting. Not necessarily Raffta, but May 5 to June 1 is when the airport's closed. Raffta has about $50 million in three grants total. They're on hold. They're what they call unobligated with the feds in other words they were granted, but not signed. Not sure what's happened with them. They're talking with all of our people in Washington. That's about it. OK. Susan? Oh, just before Petrab, I mean the upreski Petrab, I know whatever we call it tomorrow. 430 to 60. I will be there. Who else will be there? Susan. I'll be there. It's at 330, isn't it? 430 to 630. 430 to 630. Okay. At the collective. So so I'm sorry you won't be there. I will be there Yes, Sessley no Susan I am working on it. I have relatives in town. So I'm trying to all right, so Susan I for sure. Okay good That's it Susan We have a Nordic Council meeting this week. Wesley is going and we're working on, there's a whole Nordic comp plan basically and so we're working on revising that. So if anyone has thoughts about all of the Nordic areas, any input would be welcome, I think. Thank you. Mm-hmm. Possessely anything? No, I just pertaining to the whole community and I've yet to go to a health board meeting but we did get an email today I think most parents at the school about measles and it's not here yet. Yeah, it's not here yet. I had a bunch of friends think that it was here when they got that email. And I think that we just need to be really aware that the next two weeks are spring break, which means a lot of people are traveling here. And just encouraging. People prepared traveling elsewhere. Correct. So really to your point, the next three to four weeks, given the timeline of measles, we're gonna have to be on high alert in this community and getting, you know, there's potential for accelerated vaccination schedules for younger kids. So you can, after you get your one year, you can get one again after 28 days. There's no reason to wait till your four. So I think just some of that that stuff like having more conversations in the community so people know what their options are and outbreaks is really important and snowmass is going to be as high of a hot community as any other place receiving a bunch of tourists over, especially young tourists because babies and anyone between the ages of one and four are going to be the highest risk. So yeah, just something to be aware of and I will attend a health board. It's something I really enjoy. But we need to be aware of that in our community for sure. Great. That's great. Okay, we talked about P-TRAB. I also have a SOB meeting on Thursday. And then May 1st is the, which is a Thursday, is the economic summit for Northwest Cog from 830 to 3. And just some highlights of what they're going to be talking about is child care and workforce housing solutions in the region tourism economic planning. I'm planning to go if anyone's interested. It's the first Thursday May, which is May 1st. It's from 830 to 3. It's in Silverthorn last year, Britain, I went. I usually go the night before. So if anyone's interested in going, I highly recommend it. It was really informative. I think it set the stage for a lot of entomics that they have for this meeting. And Megan can set you up with registration and tell it's super easy. And it's nice. there's people from all over the region that attend. So if you are interested, just let Megan know. And I think that's about it. I can't think of anything else. So other than I know it's tax season. I've got some other things on my mind. Okay, so I will take a motion to adjourn. So moved. So moved. Sorry, second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Thanks, everyone. Thank you you