you you you you you you you you Good afternoon. Today is Monday, April 7th. It is a beautiful day out there. It finally feels like maybe it's spring. So Megan, do you want to take roll call? Roll call April 7th at 402. Council member Fredstein. Here. Council member Gustison. Here. Council member Merrell. Here. Council member Danjalo. Not with us yet, but I will watch online. And Mayor Shank. I am here. Thank you. Wonderful. For our first item tonight, we have an update from Youth Zone. How are you? Any, you could sit right here. It's great. Good afternoon. Welcome. We're so happy to have you guys back. Thanks for having me. I do enjoy the spring weather. It was a good drive up here this time. We're so happy to have you guys back. Thanks for having me. I do enjoy the spring weather. It was a good drive up here this time. Not like last time. I do believe that all of you saw my presentation last time I was here. Is that correct? Yeah. Good. Okay. So I will be quite brief. I'll give you some updates on the state of our financials and some new programming that we've rolled out. If you can skip to maybe number five there on the presentation, if that's possible, that one. Since the last time I saw you guys, we've really done a lot of deep dive into the quality of our programs and services. The parent support program, we've really ramped up and we've set some really clear guidelines for what types of youth and clients are eligible for those services in a way to get those two as many people as we can. So previously it was a really small portion of our clients actually received parent support. Now we're at about 10% of everyone that we serve is a parent. So that goes alongside the three to six months of services that the kids receive. And the parents are either getting a one time assessment and consultation with our team, or they're also getting ongoing support. So for some people, that looks like guidance in navigating all of the other systems that they might have to deal with for housing, food, jobs, things like that. Maybe they're in court themselves. And for others, it's classes on how to be a positive parent, how to be engaged in a meaningful way in your kids' lives, just depending on what they need. And we also will start, I think, this Thursday our craft program, which is a peer support group for parents. It's called Community Reinforcement and Family Training. So that is a 12-week program where they can come to learn strategies to encourage their kids to reduce drug usage, positive communication strategies, and encourage them to seek some sort of treatment in their lives. So that's been a really great development in the last year or so thanks to a lot of the grants that we've received from various partners. And then all the rest of our services are chugging along. We just hired a new clinical supervisor. Our previous clinical supervisor had some family issues and had to depart. So we feel pretty confident that we're back on a great track of being able to monitor the quality of our services that are provided. Let's see, if you can skip to, now let's just keep going to, till we see this, ah, here's a good one. We'll stay on that one. Sorry. Thanks, Clint. So no change in our, well, yes, lots of changes. Sorry. Previously, it used to be $150 for the clients. And that was the only fee that they would pay. That's still true. That's the only fee that they pay right at the beginning. We did raise our rate to $200 just to keep up with the cost of living here. One thing that we consistently found was that it was hard for about half of our clients to pay that. So this year we've implemented a sliding scale. In the past it was really not very equitable the way we were deciding who has to pay and who doesn't have to pay. So now it is if they need financial assistance, they can fill out a questionnaire about their income and sometimes it reduces it all the way down to zero. So we're pretty proud about that change just being able to offer that benefit with fidelity, which we were not doing in the past. It was challenging because some staff members would offer it to everybody, some wouldn't offer it at all. Some would build it into the court contracts, so we feel really good about that. The cost for us to provide these programs hasn't changed drastically. Although we do predict in the next three years, the cost will go up simply because the cost of living for our staff is going up. So this year our budget is 2.4, next year which starts in July for us. It's projected to be 2.9. So there is a significant increase in our budget each year so that we can cover the cost of living for our staff and then all of the other related services that we pay for. That's also going up. So this breakdown here, 73% grants, 15% earned income, 12% contributions. We're also working really hard to balance that. So next year we're pushing contributions and earned income up to about 20% and reducing grants down to about 60, with the ultimate goal getting to 30, 30, 30. That's, I think it's very apparent to you guys that almost all of the municipalities budgets are shrinking. The state's budget bless you. State budget is shrinking. There's potential that federal government money may not come through to us. We don't receive a lot of federal grants and it all of it is passed through through the state. So we're not terribly worried about that. But it is part of our long-term strategy to balance those because if one dries up, we're in serious trouble. How will you increase herding? So we're working on becoming Medicaid, while we are a Medicaid provider, and we're working on building our system so that we can build for those services. It's a really quite complicated, I don't know if any of you have experience with that, but it's quite complicated. They're very specific about what type of information they need when you're submitting billing to Medicaid. So that's been about a year-long project for us and that will greatly increase that earned income. And then we're doing some sort of gimmicks like sales of merchandise and products like we've I've been selling soap that the kids make. That's certainly not going to be a large component of it. Most of it will be from Medicaid, so fee for service billing, and then contracts with local governments and school districts. So some of the other municipalities that we work with, we've been written into their town's budget, eeriely. And that's kind of our ultimate goal is to move from situations like we're in here in Snowmass, where there's grants, and moving into a kind of line item at a very low level so that we know it can occur frequently. And then we've been really ramping up just community engagement for individual contributions as well. So I'd answer your question. Great. And then I think if you go three slides, so number nine. So again, not much change in our data in terms of snowmass village. I think last year we served, there were six assessments. This year we've done five, sorry, in calendar year 2024. We did five. And that was for only only three kids so there were a couple of them that had multiple instances of court involvement. So we also include the ten community members are their family members but it's of course much broader, their neighbors, their school district, you know, local employers, things like that. It was about $10,000 of services that we provided, and I think we received $5,000 from the town last year. So we just like to put that in perspective. The demographics are pretty representative of our value as a whole, and then every kid that we worked with in Snowmass was referred by the court. That's not always true. Most of the time they're coming from the court but also sometimes from the schools, from law enforcement agents and walk-ins. But it's same charges as always in every municipality, drug and alcohol use, minor crimes against others theft and breaking and entering and general disorderly conduct. So nothing shocking, nothing extraordinarily worrisome here. We didn't have any CYDC cases so that's the that is the Colorado youth detention continuum so that is kids who have committed alleged crimes that are serious enough to go to detention. We are required to perform a screening assessment to determine whether or not they actually go to jail or if they go home before their trial. So in some other municipalities, it's quite common. I'm not sure when the last time that we had one in Snowmass was, but that's always good news. Those types of crimes are not getting committed here a lot. It was one of the police officers, maybe the chief, said that a lot of times they'll go to Aspen and get in trouble. So those are happening there. They're not happening here. So, yeah, and you can see that some of them are coming from Pick and County District Court, which is state level offenses, picking county court, and then some of them are going to Glenwood and getting in trouble. So it's just an interesting, some of them are going to Aspen High School, some of them are going to bridges, some of them are going to Rory-4 Chi. So it is not an isolated community. You have a really broad and interconnected community. Yeah, good news, though. 100% non-reoffence rate and 100% completion rate. So all of these three kids did not get in trouble again. There were a couple of them that finished their program and then immediately got in trouble, but not while they were in the programming with us. And then 100% of them did everything that they were supposed to do. So, yeah, I think I'd like to maybe go two more slides, Clint, and then actually, well, okay, so this is our administrative staff, our directors and our office staff who keep the wheels running. On the next slide, Clint is our direct service staff. So these are all the people that are in the communities. And here in Snowmass, we've got, oh, it's okay. Mostly on the right hand side. Mariah Dexon is usually who's up here in Picking County and then these are just a lot of the other partners that we work alongside of. So if you guys have any questions or comments or concerns I would love to have those heard. No I mean I think you guys do great work and it's you know nice to really understand how many people you're seeing and what that looks like in terms of snowmass and how many are sort of being rehabilitated and you're not seeing repeat offenses, I think that's really important. Yeah, and that's that number, the 100% number compared to some other municipalities it's in the 80% sometimes sometimes it's a 90% so it's it's working differently here in Snowmass and that might just be because there are different support structures. I'm not sure. Yeah so I saw on the list it said victim and fender mediation. Yes. Do you have someone in house that does that? Yeah, so we have two people on our restorative justice team. Right. And then we have another certified mediator on staff. And most of it is through our restorative justice program, which is optional for both parties. So if the offender does not want to take accountability. They won't if the victim doesn't want to deal with it We won't so they both have to be willing to do it. There's a series of pre-conferences that we assess whether or not it's a suitable situation for them and then it culminates with a group of Community members the victim the offender the youths on staff And they have a discussion about whatever the incident was and how to move forward. Cool. Yeah. I know I'm just interested in that because I did that in law school, so I like it. Yeah. It's particularly an interest in victim offender meetings. Colorado is really a front runner, and I know we get a lot of support from Boulder County in terms of training and best practices and when I was in school in Boulder I received a restorative justice option when I was in court so it's fun to see something that I benefited from in practice everywhere. Great. Any other questions? Cecilia, I know you're online. If you have any questions, please. I saw her for a minute. Yeah, she's there. She's a little under the weather. Well, thank you so much. It's really great to see you again. Thank you guys. You look forward to seeing you again next year. I see Cecilia now. Oh, there she is. I will. Well questions, but thank you so much for what you guys do. Yeah, thank you. Great. Cheers. So much. Have a great rest of your spring day. It is beautiful. I might try to catch a fish. Good. Okay. Next up, we have public comment on any non-agenda items. and guessing there are any. Okay. Next we will move on to consent agenda and we just have two items on our consent agenda. One is going to be agenda overview. The other is going to be minutes for approval and on agenda overviews also don't forget if there's dates you're you're to be here to let Megan know so we can add those in but anyone of any comments on agenda or on the meeting minutes. Yeah I'd like to continue the conversation on the transit center schedule as it could be during a work session just talk about next steps and you know some concrete plans about how we're going to get community input and stuff like that. Okay. Anyone else? Okay. And I just had a few changes on the minutes that I sent to Megan, nothing major there aren't any other changes I would take a motion to approve the consent agenda So moved in a second second all in favor. Hi. Hi Okay, we're just moving right along here to our administrative reports and First up, we I see lots of members of the citizens grant and view board here And it's so wonderful to have you guys if you guys want to come up and sit down I actually have to recuse myself not because I don't want to hang out with you guys But because I work for pathfinders and I wrote the grant that you guys got so I am going to step. I'll let Tom take this section over and then when you guys are done, just let me know. And I'll go ahead. So we're going to have the Judy Clawson who is our chair from last year, present. And it looks like Carrie Hogan's coming, Kara Hogan's coming up. And Darleen Fredstein and Desmond. The members that are not here are Caroline Heively, Christina Niammi, Niammi. I forget how to pronounce her last name and Terry Cooper. Did you have a copy of it or did you need one? I do. Perfect. I just go. Yeah, good afternoon. Good afternoon. We are well represented here because all of us, I think, on the citizen grant review board feel very strongly about the work and are very happy with the report that we do support that we get from the town council just to refresh our memories in 2022. We had 30 applications and we had $125,000 to distribute. And we have moved up to this year we had 45 applications and $200,000 to distribute. Now a couple reasons for that I'm sure is that the word gets out that Sam&M Svillage is willing to find things that are a little or new organizations are maybe more valley serving than specifically S&M Svillage serving and I believe that is within our purview to honor those requests. We try to guess, or maybe that's not the right word, but you estimate the impact of these organizations, particularly on Snowmass Village. It's not that easy for the organizations to track those demographics, particularly for those instances where we're trying to serve children or family members of people that work here, whether than live here, as everyone knows it's getting harder and harder to find housing here. So with that preamble that I'm presenting because our current chair, Terry Hooper, is unavailable. Our last chair can't speak. You know, so I've just been crispy to express it. The rest of the line might. Once again, I'll just quickly read the report that we, I know you have it in your packets, but I'll just quickly read it. We are all here to report on the application review and funding recommendations for this cycle. As I said, we reviewed 45 applications, including some compelling new organizations and have allocated the $200,000 grant budget based on that review. And we are grateful to the council for increasing the grant budget from 175,000 to 200,000 this year. And we, of course, respectfully request the Townsend Council to consider bumping it up again if that is within the realm of possibility. The demand is out there, the need is out here. It's a very uncertain time for a lot of nonprofits. It would be great if we could be sensitive to that. We were tired to try and maintain the level of grant us firstments from 2024, and with the additional funds approved, we were generally able to do so. To accommodate requests from six new worthy organizations, we reluctantly slightly decreased the amount of only one applicant from what was received last year. The Board continues to refine the grant application with the objective of clarifying how each organization impacts our community, which as I said is we do our best because I think all these applications are submitted in good faith. To expand community outreach we would like to request a larger emphasis on the the application include demographics. This would be very helpful in our decision making process. And I'd like to just take a moment here to recognize the work that our talk clerk does for us, which is extraordinary. By demographics, you mean the organization? I mean, where they're located and who do they serve? How can you tell us, how can you demonstrate to us the impact on Stomach's Village and or the larger community, but you know, Stomach's Village taxpayer money. We want to make sure that we collect as much data as we can. So we were fully in favor of grants to support these organizations. Mental health counts. So, we were fully in favor of grants to support these organizations, mental health counseling and treatments for physical challenges, a way out, bridging bionics, a challenge aspen, high rockies, harm reduction, response, the meeting place, and wind walkers equine therapy. Under community services, including vaccination, food and meal distribution, we have community health service, harvest for hunger, which is partially housed in this very building, food bank of the Rockies. Legal assistance, Aspen Legal Services, childcare, Aspen Youth Center, Early Learning Center. This is a one. Hospice and grief counseling, home care and hospice of the valley, and pathfinders. Juvenile assistance and mentoring, focus kids, River Bridge Regional Center, the Buddy Program, and Youth Zone, as you heard just a few minutes ago. We also wish to support and encourage these locally serving educational organizations, Aspen High School Project graduation, Aspen Public Radio, Aspen Science Center, College Outreach, Inspire Aspen Foundation, Junior Achievement, Kids Connect,, the Farm Collective, and use scholarships and activities are important for their impact on our community. Anderson Ranch, Aspen, Junior Hockey, Aspen Skating Club, Aspen Valley Skien, Snowboard Club, Camp Smashbox, the Art Base, and Art's Campus at Willards. And then there are six organizations we wanted to just point out to you that are new to our funding program, Aspen Cycling Club, Aspen Science Center, Hi Rockies, Harm Reduction, which is basically an Arcane and Needle Distribution Program. I looked on their website, they do come up here once a week on Thursday. And there's somebody that died of fentanyl overdose, somebody very neighborhood. Early learning center, free bank of the Rockies, and working for recycling is expanding their programs. Any questions? We'll try. Yeah, let me just jump in here and then I'll get everybody else. First of all, thank you for what you do. I mean, it's so important. It's not easy because everybody has a good cause. And to sort through an elcate of fixed budget. It's tough, but I think you guys done a great job. I just had a question about Aspen Learning Center Early the Aspen I'm sorry the early learning center of Aspen. What entity is that? It's a daycare center. It's one of the daycare centers that takes infants and and is open year round Is it one of the ones in the Yelp brick? Yes. Okay. All right. Okay. Yeah. This is the first time funding for him. And did little red not submit any? On profit anymore. Of course. Yeah. Otherwise we would be happy to Yeah, right, right, right, right. Because they're corporate now. Come back. Yeah. All right, well, thank you. Anybody? Yeah right right right right. Is there a corporate now? Come back. Yeah. All right well thank you. Anybody else? Yeah. Thank you. This is exciting and nice to be able to do this for so many organizations. So I appreciate all your time looking through all the applications. I know that's a lot. And I agree that it would be nice to have more demographics or more information on the applications about how they are related to Snowmass Village or how they impact Snowmass Village. I think that's a great ad. And I guess I just wonder, do you need anything from us to do that? Or can you guys just revise the application? Or is it a, what's the process? It's a revised application each time. And we do ask them for it. They just don't always give us detailed information. As we would like, we go back. I often go back and ask them for some more information and they don't always keep those statistics. And now I'm not being specific about anybody right now, but out of the 45, I have a hard time getting them to give me more specifics about them, serving 20 kids or 18 or whatever. I keep on working on that. So it's been a question on the application and it's just getting the answer that there is. It's just said, yeah. Some of these organizations are they're quite small. Right. They do their best, but we don't want to. Yeah. I'd like to push them a little bit. You get an extra $10 if you tell us. Probably not, but anyway. I agree. I came to our meeting, so that was great to have a town counselor.. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I would just add to that. Thank you so much. It's a huge undertaking and, you know, sitting through the process and seeing all the details that you guys look through. It's really meaningful and valuable commitment to the community. So thank you. It was an honor to be there. We also take under consideration a little bit because this is judgment. Like how how difficult it is for various organizations to do their own fundraising. And that's we don't put a great deal of emphasis on that but we do like wind walkers. Yeah. Organizations like that that don't have a big funding base right we give them a little wink all right any other comments or questions you have any questions of us you know just I ask you you to please review the statement of guidance every year. Make sure that that reads exactly as you wanted to read because that's our guidance. Yeah. I mean, we will be starting to delve into the budget like in October and by then we'll have a sense of what the impact of recent events in Washington will have on our economy and we'll hopefully be in a position we could increase it but let's wait and see what the summer brings but yeah thank you all right we have a resolution right yes we. Okay. Do I have a motion on the resolution? So moved. I'll second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. I, I, I'm sorry, I didn't ask you any comments. Well, that's okay. I think you guys covered it all I'm more had a process come our question about when we consider additional funds for this and it sounds like that'll happen later this year. Yeah okay great good all right so the resolution passes for zero thank you very much you guys must have done a really good job. That's what happens when you get all those ladies in a room. Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Right now? Yeah, right now. This is what you gave me. Okay. Okay. All right. Next. This is what you gave me. Okay. All right. Next item. We are going to talk about the grant criteria for 2526. Do you want us to talk better? You, someone have anything they want to say or? Sure. And then, Grant, I'm going to click here before you. As you move, as the commission just asked for you to review that every year so they know what they're reviewing for. What's before you tonight is similar language or largely identical, identical language. You think it's identical. To what's been in place for a couple of years, it provides this group their direction. They need from you all. And so after you adopt the resolution authorized in the expenditure, we ask you to reevaluate the language and make sure it's up to speed. And so when this comes around next year, they know what they're evaluating for. It helps with the applications when that process starts later this year. So it can be just an affirmation if there's some specific changes that's up to you all. I'd like to ask the board if they feel there's any modifications to the criteria that you would recommend. Are you happy with what it is now? I think we're generally happy with what it is. We just want to understand that you are happy with what it is, first of all. And that you're happy with this list of organizations as you see it. And again, I mean, I, for me, I would like to see a little more emphasis on snowmass serving. I mean, it's already in the criteria. It's there. And I think you also recognize the importance of that. Just to me, that's just one thing to keep reinforcing that this is snowmass dollars. and it should first go to snowmast serving to the organization to serve the snowmast community. Yeah, I mean I feel like we have possibly additional opportunities or maybe responsibilities given what nonprofits may be experiencing in federal funding cuts. And so we just should be aware of that and kind of keep that in mind, I guess, is we're gathering applications and assessing them. By year end, we should have a pretty good idea. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I write a lot of grants and so I know when we did our requests for Aspen this year, we got an email back before they announced how much we were getting saying that that you may get nothing at all, basically, because they just, there's so many requests and more so than they've ever had before and the funding amounts are greater. And so I guess I just want to make sure that, you know, you all feel that, like, you're not having to cut back too much on each grant request because I I do think it's really important and a lot of these entities I know ours does really depends on these grants. And, you know, because we are truly locally serving and we're not getting federal dollars. So I just, I want to make sure, I mean, I know we've increased the amount before, but, you know, before we go into budget season, it would be good to also make sure that this amount is serving the community right. Well, you are the room we talked about this briefly. Okay. And I said that we would like to increase the amount if we can. But again, when we get to budget season, October, we have a sense of what the national global economy is by then, which may impact lots of decisions, but that certainly would be the intent to add more if we could. But did you feel as you were going through it that there were, like, you were having to cut back back maybe more so than other years of what the request Our versus what we're actually giving people People organizations ask for what they ask for you know, we have what we have to give so I I always think that the amount of the ask is not the whole story. Susan, I wanted to jump in and just sort of add to what you said. And I think that not only are organizations going to be seeing less grants, less federal grants, less federal grants, but they may also be needing to take on new work in the absence of federal support. So just two examples that come to mind are the running for outdoor volunteers may be taking on additional work with trails that is going to be left undone. And then another example comes to mind of like if there's like a higher need for food assistance than harvest for hunger may have like a, and those are just two examples and there may be many, many more. So I think that's something that I would like to take in account for next year as well, is just, you know, that organizations that really have to step into that vacuum. And this is like a, this is just a comment that I'm not sure that we're gonna be able to solve. I don't think we can today, but I just I do think that there are snow mass families that may be putting their kids in less daycare because of a need for funding and or may come across hardships and paying for daycare moving forward and just taking to look a look at if there's any, it's great to support ELC. I think it's wonderful. I'm not sure how many snowmass families that supports. So just making sure that we kind of have in our minds moving forward that there's families in snowmass that probably need some support. And I understand the problem with not being able to do that with a business, but maybe you have to get creative with individuals or something like that. And, oh, I just had one of us thought, you know, I wonder on the application, if there could be some additional request for information of financial hardships that are unique to this year or if there are unique strains that have come up recently that perhaps they could reflect on for this past 12 months on their next application. That might help give us a little bit more information to work with if they're losing federal funding. Can we come in and help in that? I mean, let's get this list. I don't know how much federal funding is in this list. But I guess we'll be finding out. Yeah, I would second that. but with the stock market going the way it is, it may not necessarily be a lack of federal funding. It could be just general philanthropy going down. So, I like your idea of any hardships that the organization is feeling. And then as a new member, my question is, has the overall amount gone up every year? Not every year, but it has gone up. In 2022 is 125, and this year is 200,000. When I first got into council, I think it was 75 or 100 something like so it has gone out. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, we try to keep up. Yeah. And the 200,000 really enabled us to give at like Judy said at the same level that we did last year there was just one organization we had to lower to make room for new organizations. It's a new one too. Right. But I'm proud of the fact that we were able to keep our grants at the same level. And out of curiosity because I wasn't't in here before, did everyone turn in their like end of year report? Yes, this year. And I didn't even have to nudge them that much. So it was good. That's great. We also had two interesting that the Hope Center never applied and the Senior Center never applied, which was interesting. Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Thanks for all the work you do. It is much appreciated by the community. So thank you guys so much. So take away from this discussion. Just keep the language as is and if we need to tweak later on the can. But you know, maintain. You got it. Well, but adding that business about hardships. There'll be in the application. It's not in the criteria that the council sets. Yeah. That's great. Good. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Next up, Mary Ann and her box for the ordinance number six, which is the financial year end review, and this will be the? No. Why would you want to hear from me on the topic? Allow me to defer to the brains behind the operation. Okay. So in your packet, you have the the community and then the agenda summary and then you also have the financial summary and as the agenda summary States we ended the year with very positive results the fund balance for every fund Ended up up from what we had budgeted except for the lottery funds Those were the lottery funds came in below projections and also below last year's actual numbers, which was sort of surprising. So the good news is that if you look on page 54, the total fund balance increased by $31 million. Some of it is in funds available, some of it is restricted. The most of that 31 million is the, that we didn't spend all of the CIP funds. And you see in the packet we're asking to carry over those funds but total revenues were up 4.7 million expenditures were down 26 million. So I'll walk you through I can just tell you a couple of other things. The majority of the additional revenues across all the funds is an interest income. That came in higher. One reason is the interest rates. When we were doing the budget in 23, we kept hearing the fed rates are going to go down. Interest rates are going to go down throughout the year. And that didn't happen. They actually went up. And then And the other is carry over a fund balance from 23 to 24 that increased the amount of funds that we had to invest. The other areas are building revenues. They came in much higher than what we budgeted, both in our normal revenues and then also in development revenues, real estate transfer taxes, new sales and resales were both up from budget and excise taxes. Most of the decrease in expenditures from budget or from the CIP projects that I said and then there were other smaller savings that came in from staffing changes. So personnel, one time projects of which some of those are going to be carried forward and then vehicle equipment purchases. Any questions on those? So page 52 starts the detail. These first three pages show you every fund that the town has and how they ended up revenues and expenditures. You can see the general fund. The revenues were over budget by 3.2 million expenditures were under by almost 5 million and it real estate transfer taxes so you can read through each of these I won't hit each one of these just if you have any questions on them. There are additional pages that follow for any of the funds that have any carryover into 2025 that we're requesting. Those are all in the packet and pretty much includes all of the major funds. So if you don't have any questions on these. I have a quick question on the real estate transfer tax fund. It was like a 50% increase, which is great. Did something happen that we didn't expect? And B, do we expect this kind of revenue for the next couple years? Or was this someone off windfall? Two things. One is, we budget conservative it. And I think, you know, each year we're finding that the prices of houses have gone up. And so that increases the amount of revenues that we receive. On the new sales, we were told by the developer, the developer that there were going to be 52 units sold and they actually sold 67. In base village. I think that point is important that Marianne does track existing units that resell and that brand new units. We offset those, we keep those tracked differently. So next year to answer your question more specifically, we would expect a decrease because there won't be new units for sale in 25 or 26. We don't think 10AB, which is the last big chunk of big units will be sold to 27. Right? I see that. Aren't they selling them now? I thought they're just deposits. She'll see that. They're pre-sale. We don't see them until they actually close. I see. And so you will see a decrease in that overall number because of the new unit component, but the resale component, again, would be similar to being expected. Yeah, okay. Okay. If you go to page 55, this is the General Fund budget summary. Again, the highlights are the revenues being under budget and also the expenditures. The other thing that I would note is that we budget for full benefit claims on our health insurance policy. And if our claims come in below budget, then those savings are savings to the town's budget. And this year it was 640,000. 640,000? Yes. We don't roll it over. We just take it as a savings. It rolls into a fund balance because we didn't spend it. Right. We budget worst case scenario. We're self-funded for New York folks but we're self-funded. We budget for the absolute most. We'll ever have to pay to a lot of people's credit. We spent last year. No. And the other thing is you can see the fund balance at the end of the year. Well, actually go to the next page. At the end of the year is 36 million. But you can see in 2025 it drops down to 22 million. And that's basically because of the 11 million, $12 million transfer into the CIP fund, which is like the Little Red School House and the Woodbridge Road Colbert. On page 57, I'm not going to go through all of these, but what I try to do is to give council an idea of where we were sort of difference in budget so whether we exceeded budget or were below budget this gives you a listing of all of those accounts and so of the 3 million, 3.2 million most of it, one actually 2.2 almost well a little bit over 2 million was in building revenues, both for new development and for normal activities and then interesting come was 990,000. At the bottom of the page, you can, this is the expenditures, stop me if you have a question I'm just going to kind of roll through and at the end of the presentation, there's a couple of pages there that will tell you a listing of all of the funds that we want to roll over into next year. So it's more of a snapshot for you all. But expenditures, you can see payroll benefits. Those were under budget, and as you know, we budget to fully staff that everybody has all of their employees, and they all received their benefits. But as you know, since COVID, it's been sort of a roller coaster with the employees having people leave, having people rehiring and how much time it takes between a person leaving and being able to refill. And so that's where those savings come from. The other big one is the one time and that's similar to the CIP. If a project doesn't get completed or isn't quite started yet, those funds are also, we ask for those to be rolled over. On the next page 58, that page has what we're going to roll over. Again, 800 and six of it is the one times and I have a list of the projects. They're also on the last page. And then also the building equipment reserve funds. And that's for projects that either got started or didn't quite get finished that are carrying over into next year. Any questions on those pages? If not, I'll move on to the real estate transfer tax fund. We just talked about most of this. The big difference in this fund is really the additional revenues that we received so it's the revenues from resales, new sales and interest income. And so that funds available is at 8.6 million. It goes to 9.3 next year but it drops to 2.5 in 2026 because we have the Brush Creek Alcreek Road budgeted in this fund. The next page, page 60 is again all of these read exactly the same. So the first top of these pages will tell you what happened in 2024 from budget to actual and where the additional revenues came in or changes in expenditures. And then the bottom section just says what we're carrying over. And the rep fund we're actually reducing the birth, the building equipment reserve fund because we actually had a project finish in 2024 and so we don't need those monies in 2025. Page 61 is the road fund and the additional revenues here. We received some backfill property tax revenues from the state that we did not have budgeted. That was about 127,000 so that went into the road fund and then the additional interesting come. Fifth page 62 just explains the same things that I just explained, transfer out to the general fund. Those were reduced because utilities came in under budget and personnel costs were under budget and our vehicle cost came in under budget. Tourism fund is on page 63. And like the general fund, the sales tax, and in this fund, the lodging tax both came in higher than budgeted and interest income. So there's came in with an additional 1.2 million. Their expenditures were under by 670, 2000, and that is a marketing cost and personnel purchase services operating a maintenance cost. At the end of the year funds available increase the 2.4 million. And if you go over to 2025, there's a couple of things. One, you'll see the expenditures of 155,000. They are asking to roll over 131,000 that was in this year's budget that was unspent for ICEH for any new initiatives that come from the DMP plan and then also the 24,000 for the PA rental equipment that still is in the CIP fund. And so any additional fund balances that are in this fund, we take out and roll into the CIP for the employee housing projects. And so at the end of 2025, you'll see it's 86,000. Any questions there? next page just explains basically what I just told you. The expenditures for 2025 that we're looking to carry over in addition to the two I just mentioned is we're looking to add $20,000 for the snowman's land debt payment. And then And also when said that we increased the CIP for the housing, that's an additional 850,000 we have going into the CIP, that'll roll into a reserve and get appropriated at a future date when there's a project that we wanna buy or building. Before we leave this fund, am I just add, she just talked about the extra $20,000. I'm going to go back for a little bit of history. We've got $750,000 budgeted right now for debt service, for the three acres of land we're buying behind the center. That's the next item on the agenda. In order to allow us to pay off that debt early within five, after five after five years after five years We needed to pay premium of $20,000 a year and so we budgeted for the 750 We thought it was prudent to add to allow that opportunity to pay off the debt early So we're adding that we're asking to add an additional $20,000 a debt service You'll actually approve that hopefully in, in a moment or five or ten whenever we get there, but we're asking for that budget appropriation in additional $20,000 right now. Let's see, the post fund, we won't spend a lot of time on this, this happens every year. The state's budget is a fiscal year of July 1st July 1st to June 30th, so it's offset our Calendar year and so we always have to carry over at this time of year and then also at budget Capital equipment reserve fund these are the funds that we budget for new equipment and new vehicles. And so there was 1.5 million of that, 550,000 was already, or 550,000 in vehicles were moved to 2026 and 2027. 815 of that was already budgeted to buy the vehicles this year and there were what we were under budget by 118,000 on some of our purchases. So that makes up the 1.5 million so all we need to carry over from that fund is 45,000. The CIP, obviously this is the nuts and bolts of our projects. In this fund, we were under in projects, $17, almost $18 million. Our revenues were under by $6.9. Most of that were the revenues that were coming in from EOTC and RAPDA for the transit plaza. And some of those funds are re-budgeted for next year. And any of the funds from 2024 that we have allocated to projects are in the top section designated for projects. Any funds available? So if we have projects that we need additional funding for, look to these funds. And that's where we funded the additional $441,000 for the road fund so that we could keep the property taxes for the road fund at the 75%. So the next page is really just the detail on the projects. Just to kind of what she just talked about. I'll say a little bit differently. Less accurately but maybe for us non-money people to understand. When we have a capital improvement project we don't spend all the dollars. It goes to essentially a savings account. And that savings account grows over time. And one of the ways we paid for that to the road fund reduced the property tax was we took our flat savings in the CIP. And so just because we always say, well, you guys will ask questions sometimes, how do you know the budget amount? We'll always budget a little bit higher? Well, if we budget higher and we spend less, that savings goes into the savings account. And that's a lot of savings. The savings is if we get a project that goes the wrong way, we can also do it that way, correct? That's a good idea. So it gives a little bit of fudge in the bottom. But this year, we had enough savings in that savings account for light on the veteran in the CIP that we were able to fund the non-revenue from the I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. Savings account for life of the veteran in the CIP that we were able to fund the safe the non revenue from the Close enough. Yeah So any any questions on the carryover revenues I had a couple questions What is left to do for high-line road? Because isn't it in here? Did I miss it? I thought it was carrying it over and so I was wondering what was left. Are you confused with the Dunning White Curve? No. I swear it said that I'm looking for it. I'm carrying over 173,000. It's actually, it goes towards Paving Project. It was combined with paving and multimodal. And. It's actually it goes towards Paving Project. It was combined with Paving and Multimodal and to break it out it left it in Highline, but it'll be used towards Paving No, no, no, I was just I thought I coded majority of the invoice to paving and did not code it to Highline because I didn't break it out that way because it was a joint project between paving of the wide, the road was overpaved and then I didn't code the invoice to Highline so that's why it's getting cared forward but it'll go towards paving. Okay. I thought Highline was done. That's why it's confused. It's done. And then And then also in here, I don't know where I saw, but it said the playground restroom, is this the one that's denoted in the town park master plan or is this something different? What, you're looking at? I don't, I don't even know where I saw it. Like, it's so tiny, I can't read it all. I see. Hold on, I'm looking. Maybe it was under... Land and land? Facilities. Legrand restoration to $60,000? No, it was a, it said restroom at the playground. My crazy. Playground restoration? Oh, was that what it was? It says restoration. Under parks and trails. I was like what? It's like 16 degrees. It's like I did it my glasses on. Okay sorry about that. And then I was like that kind of seems kind of cheap for a restaurant. Never mind on that one. Sorry about that. That's what I get for like not having readers on while reading this tiny stuff. Okay. I think that was it. Oh, I know it was. The mastodon. Do they ever get permission to do it? Are we going forward on it? We have recently got permission. Yes. Tiny and is still going to be up in the air. But Yes, we have received permission, but it's since sold in the last 10 days So there's going to be some double checking before we pull the trigger Yes, and then in here. I think it was under this section the comprehensive needs assessment For the world joining forces in is everyone putting in the same amount. Yes So it's all 15,000 each. Oh, 75,000. I mean, oh, 75,000 each. You're my glasses. Thank you. I'm doing it without. I'm doing it for my memory of 70,000. OK. That's fine. OK, that's it. The last three pages, 73 through 74. They have all of the changes that we're requesting in the ordinance, which is next. So do you have any questions? And before we go to the ordinance, I've got a chance to talk to a few of you about this. But in the last week, we received an additional request from the Transportation Coalition for 21st Century Period. It's a group of 30 citizens asking for dollars to help evaluate and prove in 82 the entrance to Aspen and essentially traffic mobility from the intercept lot into Aspen. It seems like a very reasonable request. And if we were to got a three weeks ago, I would have put it in this ordinance. We got it last week. But I would ask is we add this $14,000 to this ordinance, which you're going to consider in a moment. We'll get more details, rather than having another ordinance in two more weeks, like talk to the Mayor and he approved. It'd be 14,000. They're asking 14,000 from Pickin County, City of Aspen, Us Aspen's Key Company, and I think EOTC also. And so, you don't have to authorize the expenditure, but what we do is appropriate the money and we can make that authorization later on down the road. Yeah. Do we have a representative from Snowmass on that committee? It's my understanding that asking for two people to elect the officials and I believe it's going to, they're asking, they're not formal, but I believe they're asking, assessing and Alyssa to serve. Okay. Apparently there's not a lot of women. Oh, they're heavy on the men. Yeah. So they were seeking women. They were to look at this. So. Reservoir. Yes. And just to chime in on that, I actually had reached out to them because of safe passages, too, because I feel like the coordination is very important. So I'm very supportive of a holistic well-thought-out plan that goes all the way from brush creek to Aspen. Yeah. So yeah, they're just kind of getting started. Their first official meeting is not till the first week of May. So yeah, they have had just like steering committees. That should be an easy committee. I mean, that entrance to Aspen is easy. Yeah. Exactly. The meetings we have all. It's a month. Thanks. Just for if you guys are comfortable with it, what we would do is you guys could approve of the ordinance on first and tonight and then we would make the amendment for second reading and then when it comes back, we would add that. Yeah. Any other questions? Can I ask a quick question about the discovery, the next phase on that. What is that? And it got, is that right? It got rolled over. It's part of the roll over into 2025 that tourism asked that we roll over it's 131,000 and they just wanted to have those funds for any new initiatives that come from the DMP plan. So they don't quite know what it will be used for yet, but they wanted to make sure that they had money to move forward when the DMP plan gets put in place. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Okay, any other questions from you? I had just a general question because I had heard that other municipalities have had big increases in their health insurance costs, and we haven it for whatever reason. So I don't know. Hate to even mention it. Right, take it. I don't know yet. Go ahead. She'll correct me. I mean, I think there's, we had some several years back and so we funded it, fully funded it then. We've, and we've had very good experience the last couple years. And, and I'd say we also take the, I think, very important role of fully funding our insurance every year. And so when we have a new position, come on, we fully fund it to the full family, full everything. And so that gives us some of that, but it gives us some flexibility in there. And we also worked really hard with our insurance broker, and they've worked really hard with SIGNET to make sure that the rates come in at a decent rate. And this is the year that we actually, if you remember, we added a second policy type for folks. And so different employees can have different kinds of, so a combination of that and a little bit of luck and a lot of hard work is kind of how we got here. Well, great. I don't know if I missed that. What is poor magnitude that we fund it with? I know he just- Full insurance? Yeah, the health insurance. No, I think it's higher than that. I don't have the numbers in front of it. North of 2 million. Okay. Any other questions? Okay. I would take a motion to approve ordinance 6 as amended, right, Jeff? Actually, it'll come back. You're going to approve the ordinances that is tonight and we'll bring it back in a minute. Oh, as it is, not as amended. Okay. As it is on first reading, and they get a motion. So moved. Second. I'll second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. All right. I should have said this before you adopted it, but this is an extraordinary amount of work for Mary and her team. Oh, yeah. The detail behind it is incredible, so. I think all the detail, when it's budget season, when it's not budget season, is amazing, especially because I am not a numbers person. So thank you for bringing it down. Thank you for making it easy for us to understand. We would greatly appreciate it. So thank you so much, Mary Ann. You want me to stay up here for a sale, please? Thank you so much Maryanne. You want me to stay up here for the sale? Okay next we are going to move along to Resolution 16 which is appointing directors to the snowmass village building authority. So, let's handle this one. So, the tail went, it does different financing, particularly certificates or participation financing. It will utilize an entity called SMV Building Authority, which is a non-profit entity that was formed by the town, which kind of acts as a-through and a lease purchase arrangement, which I can describe in a little bit more detail. And so that entity had a board of directors, and because it hasn't really been actively utilized for a number of years, it was kind of used as part of the last financing transaction, and basically just sits there idle. The directors of the SMV Building Authority, they're no longer with the town. And so there are all three board director positions are vacant. And the procedure for appointing new directors, basically there's authority under the articles of incorporation, creating the incorporator, who is the town attorney, to appoint new directors. And so there's a resolution in your packet that I've signed as the incorporator to appoint these new directors, which then once appointed, there can follow kind of the normal director procedures under the articles in the bylaws. For the avoidance of any doubt for anyone as part of the financing transaction that's next on the agenda, we just wanted to ratify that with town council action. Town council kind of authorized the initial setup of this by kind of providing the incorporated this authority at first place. So this is just a ratification step to make sure there aren't any questions from anyone that's looking at purchasing the certificates in our next transaction. It would be helpful for me and maybe others if we just pause for a minute and vote on this yet. This is pretty simple but if you explain the whole big picture of all this stuff and how it all fits together so we know when we're voting on the board for the corporation, how it fits and everything else would be helpful to understand a big picture. Yeah, so the certificates of participation, issuing certificates of participation, it's a financing mechanism basically to table prohibits or requires the town to obtain approval for incurring multi-year fiscal obligations including debt. And so this is an arrangement used by public entities to kind of avoid those table obligations. And essentially the town will lease property to the SMV building authority, which really acts just as a pass through on this transaction. SMV building authority assigns its interest to a trustee. That trustee has read through a public issuance will get lending from a bank. It flows through the lease payment for that lease is basically what we're borrowing. In return, the building authority sub-leases the property. And in this case, I'll come back to it in a minute. The building authority sub-leases the property back to the town. The town then makes sub-lease payments to the building authority, which again passes through to the trustee, which act basically as loan payments. Here on the next agenda item, the collateral, the property that's being leased to secure that whole arrangement is the public works facility. And there are number of documents in the packet that kind of, you know, the, I guess the security interest or the right to the assignment and the right to participate and receive those those payments are the certificates of participation, the COPs. That's kind of the overview of the flow through structure. So that makes sense. I mean, we own the building. We the town own the building currently. The town owns the Public Works Facility. Yes, property. The town is going to lease it to the building authority for like a dollar or something, or no cost or whatever. Well, it's through this long term, the lease amount is essentially the money that we're borrowing for the purchase of the service. I understand that. I'm just going to go piece by piece. Because the town's going to have an as a sub lease that they pay to use the building, but we're leasing it to the building authority on the top level, right? Right. And for no payment on that. For the amount of the debt. For the amount we're borrowing. It's just passing through that debt. It's a prepayment on the lease for the amount that we need to purchase this. So I'm just trying to, I'm sorry for being a little thick on this. It's confusing. I think for everybody except for maybe Susan. No, I've needed this extra. I I should forget because I've never really seen it. So I think I understand what's happening. I understand the purpose of it. I'm just trying to understand the mechanism. So there's the building. So we, the town, signs a lease agreement with the building authority. And somehow 12 million dollars arrives. But that's not good. So we lease it to building authority. So does the building authority own the town 12 and a half million dollars? No, it's, well, it's a lease. Basically all of its interests in that have been assigned to a trustee, UMB bank, and the payment for the lease, it's a pre-payment in the lump sum of the amount that we're borrowing. And where does that money come from? It comes from UMB access to trustee, we go out to a market. It comes in through the trustee because the SMV building authorities assigned all its interests in this whole arrangement to the trustee flows through the building authority to the town, the prepayment of the lease for the 30 year term of 12 and a half million. And Maryanne or Clint, if you think I'm explaining any of that, keep going. I'll just stop you from making it. I think I've got a glimmer here. So releasing the building to the building authority. And for that lease agreement, the building authority funded by the trustee and the investors will give the town twelve and a half million dollars. That's the payment for that lease. Correct. Got it. Oh, we're sub-leasing. No, no, but yeah, let me go to the next step. So then, so building authority owns this building now. Well, they have a lease for this building, a 30-year lease, whatever. So then the town enters into a sub lease with the building authority to use the building and in return we pay $770,000 a year. Correct. Good job. Right? Okay. That's a good summary. Good job. Because there's a building involved. I understand. All right. So, I mean, in general, it's just to avoid what paper would require us to do differently. You would otherwise require a vote of the people to take the general obligation debt. Multi-year debt. Right. and here the security for this whole arrangement is the property. As a piece of... obligation debt. Multi-year debt. Right. And here the security for this whole arrangement is the property. It's the collateral that we have to put up the 12.5 million. So that's the main property. You mean the public. Yeah. I mean you call a collateral but really isn't collateral. It is a physical entity that we're If we don't make payments I understand they get it But because we've re-nigged on a lease agreement and they will end up owning it right It's not collateral like it's backing on a mortgage or something is it actually called collateral or access collateral? I think it might actually be called collateral. Is it okay? And the actual land that we're purchasing is not collateral? No, because we don't, we don't know. Because they've, they've funded it, so we don't know any yet. So it's not, it can't be our collateral. Okay. So the way, I mean, again, kind of like they described Mary-Anne's, which is not 100% accurate, but it's close enough and Jeff can correct the detail. But we own the public work facility. We essentially exchange the public work facility to the authority for $12.5 million. We get $12.5 million. That's where we buy the three acres of land with. The authority then subleses back the building the public work facility to us for the low low price of $770,000 a year which we are now we will use two or some funds to pay that to pay that debt payment back to the authority. And authority uses that to pay the trustee of your whatever that invests for the load. How common is it to do these? Yeah, I was gonna ask have we done this before? No, this building was done the same way. Yes, it was. This building, I would say it's most, because the interest rate payments are about the same or similar to if you went to a full geotype bond debtiness. And you don't have to go to other people. It is a very common way to mean its value. You told me that most municipalities in Colorado do this melt because of talent. The Solston 3D is in the last seven years. What's that? The Solston 3D's transactions last seven years Aspen uses it. This mechanism. So it's in the townhouse, including with this property. Right. This building, the dent that property has been used as a before. So the 770,000, which is a fixed number, when you talk, when we talk this worry, we didn't quite know what the interest rate is going to be on the loan and all that. So we haven't gone to market yet, but we're anticipating 4.5%, 4.6% going to market. So that's could that, if it's a different number in market, does that change at the 770? Yes, it does. So the 770 could be more or it could be less. And then do we need to change this whole agreement or? No, the agreement allows up to 6%. But we don't have to take it at 6%. So if we decide, no, that's too high of a payment for us, we can just stop the deal. It's a parameters authorization. And we budgeted for that $770. We hope that number comes in lower. But that implies what interest rate, the 4.6. 4.6. Any tariffs on this? Of course, that were funny. So this resolution is just to appoint the members to the authority. Just toify the Journal corporate action just so that that entity is properly Constituated that was important though to understand Can I ask you on the history of the building authority corporation? So it has been inactive since 2004 it It was incorporated in 2006. What's the CLP on this building? For this building. And then how did the directors, how did the board work? What kind of appointments to the board? Was it town manager? Was the town manager, the finance director, air, the economic development director? A position that doesn't exist. And once this transaction closes, there's nothing for the sanity to do on a year to your basis, which is why it wasn't. Why the persons that were in this position is going to fill out. Sure. Are you? Sure. Okay. Thanks. I'm Maria Works and Finance. The history of memory. Maria. Yeah. Let's write that. I like how Jeff described this to me months ago. This is belt and suspenders. He very much has a authority to do this himself. Rather than just dealing with it as a town journey. He's ratified in a decision he's earned. He made it to me, you guys. OK. Any other questions? No. Okay. So can we get a motion to approve resolution number 16? In the second. Second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Right. Thank you. Now we get to move into our next exciting topic, which is, yeah, we are here ahead of the game here. The COP financing, this will be the first reading for ordinance seven. So, as you know, the town is under contract purchased the residential parcels at the Snowmass Center. That contract was subject to approval of a land use application from the owner to obtain a land use approval for the commercial piece and have the residential parcels capable of being separately developed by the town. Town council ultimately approved that land use application. And so now we're on track towards closing. This is to approve the financing arrangement for us to close on that purchase. We just explain kind of how that all works. But if there's any questions, happy to answer them. Going, I think, I would just add just for council, just so you know, as part of our DA Davis and our essentially our underwriter for this project, and as part of their team, they have a bond council that prepares a lot of this work. So it's her, Pester. Pester, Pera. Thank you. Pester, this is her expertise. She's dropped this Jeff's review, of course. But there's a deep bench pulling this together. This is what they do. And our relationship with Dean Davis, and it's longer than I've been here, probably. That's long. And this is what they've helped us do for years. And so there are underwriters. They've got this to us where we are and back when the old conference center was financed back and What was it? That's a weird thing. That when the old conference center was financed. Really? Yeah, so he's been with us for a very long time. And this is a company. So when we have a complex financing, when we do the draw side or something else complex, there are first calls and they help us say, where are they, are they in Denver? The A-Davidson, where? Oh, where in Denver? And so, yeah, I'm just, not the Jeff and the Marion, I haven't done a bunch of work to this. There's a bunch of people behind the scenes also pushing them along. And so, they brought us to, you was a UMB bank or something, and they'll go ahead. No, well, yeah, we have used UNB bank in the past. Oh, okay. It's trustees. And so we have a good relationship with them and they're solid. And then when they need an investor, DA Davidson will help analyze whether it should be a private placement or a public. They'll go out there and choose got the dollars who wants to take it and help us evaluate the offers. And the offers will be interest rate related only or is that the only? The anticipation. The anticipation is just one entity that will or will be several participants. Probably by and all. Yeah. One entity will probably buy it all. Yeah, okay. That makes it simple. It's typical. Weeks ago when we were trying to decide about whether we should do the five-year call. Thank you. They did the evaluation. They went to the market. They said it's going to be this $20,000 premium. And then they brought back to us for $20,000 extra year. The town can maintain the ability to pay it off within after five years. And so they do the number analysis for us. We thought it was our best interest to have that. And while we pay off, if we could get a better loan, a lower interest. or if that project ends up being a for sale project, we're gonna need to sell the land to the underlying property. So we, it just provides us a higher level of flexibility. And we thought it was a slam dunk decision. So that's how we had to put the deal out. OK. Questions for Marianne, Clint Jeff? I mean, that was helpful helpful to have the run through. Yeah. Tom took us 30 years for that. Yeah. So that was great. Any other questions, Cecilia, do you have any questions? I did find one type of that I told Jeff about earlier. Good. I didn't show it. So that's good. I paid $59.60 there's a typo. Well, I didn't catch it. Pikes I couldn't catch it. I didn't catch it. That's good. Page 59 of 60, there's a typo. Well, I didn't catch it. Pikes I couldn't see it, but that's a different story. Any other thoughts, questions? The last thing I'd add is this is an ordinance. Yes. So the first reading, the student of passage unanimously, you will bring it back to you on the second. Just got a curiosity. The investor who funds this, is it a municipal bond? Or is it different? It's a different. Yeah. So it's regular interest. Yeah. Yeah, the instrument is the certificate of participation, which is like, you know, through that mortgage and indenture document, this kind of how it inserts itself into the lease and sub lease arrangement. But it is not tax exemptive to that to what you were asking. That's what I was thinking about investing. Yeah. It's kidding. No, I just was curious. That's the difference to the interest rates. And because it's not full faith in credit, it's just that collateral that that's with different kinds of interest rates. OK. Great. And again, it goes back to the S&P. This is so standard. Mary, instead of a minute ago, the S&P now rates these. And so that helps us go to the market. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Good day. Okay. All right, can I have a motion to approve Ordinance 7? So moved. Second. Second. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. All right. Passes on first reading. Thank you all for doing that. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Next stop, we are going to bring Betsy and crew up for a draw site review. Thanks. Thanks to Eric and Patrick for being here. Nice to see you. Nice to see you as well. We're like the thing that wouldn't leave. You know, we just keep coming back. So we, at the last, or at the meeting in, that we last presented the design elevations, which was March 17th. We looked at a revised option six, which is the one building option. We were calling it six B. Looked in that design to be a little bit more set back into the site, break up the massing. We removed a story significantly, a story from the front part, visible part of the building, moved it to the back L. We looked at colors and textures, somewhat to reduce the prominence of the facade, be a little bit warmer and more settled into the hillside. The numbers of the units were reduced by one, but the bedroom size increased by 10, which was kind of a nice bonus, or not the bedroom size, the number of bedrooms. And we had quite a bit of discussion. And so what we've done, and we're also developing for Council to consider later this month, the landscaping design, but that's still kind of in development after having been dormant for a little while. But the architect came back with some feedback you to ask to look at something that made it a little more horizontal, a little more outpined. They've worked on some options, and I think we just wanted to take tonight to present it, see if you feel we're headed in the right direction, and any feedback that you have at this point. So I think with that, I'll let Erica's a lot better terminology. I'm learning where it's like, can't to leave her and all the, I don need desire line which I just I keep calling it like my My what is it? What was I calling it my wish my dream line or something? It was Never heard that term before but I'll let them describe more and show you some Some visuals So. And while she was joining the meeting, we're also anticipating, um, just April 21st presentation with the landscape. Yeah, I mentioned that. But I mean, to put my point being, hope with any luck, the end of that, the next step would be, you guys say, go ahead and submit for land use review. And so, preliminary. All this is in anticipation of a series of public hearings before the Planning Commission and the Town Council. So the next step would be Planning Commission Reviews preliminary. So preliminary. Right. Right. So there's still a long series about how long it'll be, but there'll be a series of hearings before the Planning Commission and the Town Council. Okay. Yeah, I'm able to see it. Thank you. Okay, great. Hello. Nice to see you guys again. Erica Golden from Side Architects. Patrick Raleigh, Raleigh Design Planning. All right. So we will dive in. So the last couple of meetings, we've kind of just been trying to summarize. A little microphone, a little closer, a possible text. Yes. We've been summarizing in our first slide sort of where we left off at the last meeting, what we heard from you guys and then what we've been addressing in our refinements to come back to you today for additional feedback. So just on the high level, you know, as Betsy mentioned, we had a really nice reception for option 6B. We've been developing, you know, with your input, the L-shaped building,shaped building, which brings more economy to the building in terms of a consolidated foundation. We have been targeting a reduction in the gap funding on Betsy's side with reducing the number of units slightly and just getting the overall budget down. We felt that you guys were telling us that it had a more appropriate density with the 63 units and that we were increasing our surface parking and having adequate garage parking. As Betsy mentioned, we were working on moving some of the units kind of in the forward part of the uppermost level and pushing those back into the L shape to really reduce the height and mass but avoid losing units and we actually gained a number of bedrooms in that last iteration. And then the continued refinements of our surface parking and guest drop off experience. And then we're also very excited about the L shape, really having more of a connection to the draw site and sort of allowing for the natural characteristics to kind of come into our courtyard area. So we have been working really closely with Connect One and with JBA on the grading for the road that we need to still get up to the debris basin and the concepts for landscape. We've had a number of meetings with Betsy to get input on, really what is sort of appropriate and how to blend that with the natural environment. And so that team is really excited to present you guys with that at the 21st of April meeting. So in terms of feedback and really refinements that you guys had voiced at the last meeting, that we would like that we are attempting to address, there was a request to refine the character to a more alpine and less modern character. And we believe that, you know, we have integrated some shed forms. I think Betsy may have mentioned in her memo. We've looked at gables and we feel that if we don't lose units, it really would add height, you know, to the building. If we were to add gables on top of the building. And so we've been looking at integrating some shed roofs for more of that alpine character. But then specifically at our more flat roof areas, we've been adding texture and detail with heavy timbers and sort of a post and beam expressed structure look at those flat roofs to kind of bring them in particular to a more alpine character. And then you had also requested additional information and images about the suggested materials. And so we have some of those to look at today. And then we also, there was a request for more horizontal and less vertical or angular articulation. We've really worked hard to really minimize some of them stronger vertical elements within the building and blend them into the more horizontal massing. And then we've always been inspired by the color palette of the draw side itself. And so we have some refinements there to really settle the building into the landscape. And then there was a request for some additional views which we have done. And then also there was there was some more specific request that Tom shared in a markup. And so we have I've added to our site plan, which didn't make it into your packet. But we'll go over that today with some specific coordination items that we're working on with Civil and with the sort of the building services side. And that's where we plan to come back with full plans at our 21st meeting, but that's what is sort of influx right now, is we're rebuilding our 3 model. We have it, you know, dialed in to give you these renderings, but we're redoing all of our floor plans, you know, and we have a, we have a couple new unique unit plans that we're still developing. So that's where we're going to come back to you guys with. But in particular, one item that we are excited to test was the suggestion to look at relocating the existing PV panels as potentially a carport roof. And so that's something that we are working on with our landscape team in developing the plaza. And so we haven't gotten to that point yet. All right. So this first plan is a slight update to the sort of combo site section site plan that we've been sharing with you guys when we evaluate the, we've evaluated different options in the past. So the specific comments that we just wanted to quickly know are that we are working on minimizing the height at the back of the garage, you know, it's sort of a continued coordination item. Really the goal would be to have that, you know, the shoring and the retaining be as minimal as possible in all locations around the building. But one thing we are gonna get back into soon here is having our structural engineer look at some cost saving options that Hazelden brought to the table in terms of our specific structural systems So that will affect our floor our floor Our floor assemblies and therefore we need to just kind of get into that level of detail again for that preliminary submission We would have all of that fully worked out So the fire truck turnaround is actually an area that we're meeting with running forkfork Fire on tomorrow. That was sort of the quickest we could get a meeting with them with an updated civil. So we are meeting with them tomorrow afternoon and then we also have another meeting that Betsy put together with public works and I believe also Parks and Rec and transportation and Betsy's team to sort of bring them up to speed on the L-shaped configuration and just talk through where all of the different maintenance areas will be and really just get feedback on kind of the guts of the building so that we can incorporate that into our next set of floor plans as well. So as Betsy mentioned, this is very much... Well, we were trying to get actually a landscape presentation together for this meeting originally, and they just needed a little bit more time. So we were meant to be sort of an afterthought at the end of that meeting to share character updates. So please think of us that way a little bit where we are we are really just wanting to get you know your gut feelings of are we going in the right direction are there things that you know that you like you know are there still areas in the character department that need refinement and that will give us direction you know to come back on that 21st meeting with something that you know is more in the direction of what you'd like to see see. So as we've been doing in the past, we sort of bring up the prior meeting for comparison. And so this was option 6B that you looked at on St. Patrick's Day. Patrick was busy pouring beer so he didn't make it to that meeting. And then so this, we are going to more of a photo realistic rendering style because we felt that we felt that part of the legibility of some of the materials was not as clear in the sketchy style. And you know, the sketchy style is great for, you know, when we were just really talking about mass and character or not character mass and density and height, but now that we are talking more specifically about architectural character, we wanted it to start to represent more of the true material characteristics. You know, there's still renderings, you know, we're still at a conceptual level, but they're getting a little more realistic. So if I kind of click back and forth, you can see, so we in our floor plans, we felt that this area here, you guys see my hand, you know, was a more, I guess sort of, you know, modern or box-like part of the building. And so we, because this is the side of the building that you approach and that you look at from base village, We decided to sort of flip a couple of our two bedroom units in plan and I can quickly kind of go to the plan view. But essentially we sort of moved around some of the units. We took this unit and rotated it 90 degrees and then rotated this 90 degrees to get more articulation and shadow on that corner that is most focal when you're approaching the building. So the, I'll go back there. And so that was one sort of plan revision. And then we felt that this stair core was one of the elements that was really creating a lot of vertical articulation in the facade. And so we've kind of, well, we got rid of a hallway per Tom's suggestions. We got rid of about half of the hallways. We still have a couple windows in the corridors that we will continue to evaluate whether those should stay, but we really try to consolidate the building. And so we sort of enveloped the mass. So this shed roof form really comes over in front of that stair mass. And we have that stair because of how stairs sort of descend down, we can reduce our ceiling height in there and really bring that vertical mass down to almost the roof level. So we feel that that really helps have that vertical element really be a secondary sort of reveal and not a dominant element on the facade. Is it sort of the same slope as the roof? It does slope back. You know, and it sort of follows the line of the stairs. Yeah, so it's really minimal. But it is, you know, we do need that the two points of egress from that upper roof deck because we also have units around the backside as well. So we still have that corridor and that and some of those units there that need that egress. So, but we felt that that was really minimizing it and then it really makes for only one vertical element that's a little more pronounced, which is the elevator core which which does need to go up and have an overrun. And so that one's a little harder to cut down. But per Betsy's recommendation, we introduced a stone material at the base where it really will have the most impact that we'll look at. And we made the elevator core a darker bronze colored material that hopefully will also recede and not draw as much attention as the gray elevator shaft was before. So some new views that you saw on your packet were again developing more of the entry experience for the residents and the guests. And so we do have a trash area over here that we're trying to kind of blend in with a green roof and really, again, make that a darker material similar to the elevator core that really goes away. But maybe having some wood-like doors to make that feel a little bit more inviting and then starting to integrate, again, with the flat roofs, more of that post and beam alpine timber look and then a larger shed roof, really at the lobby to kind of mark the entry to the building. And also thinking that that's a nice location for a one-story element, you know, it really, you know, reacts more to a human scale as you're entering the building. And then we've brought the stone up kind of to a two-story background element, but it's set back, you know, from the lobby. And but it, again, it's because stone is a more expensive material, we're trying to use it in locations where it has the most impact. So kind of at the areas where you're walking close to the building or approaching the building in a car or on a bike or as a pedestrian, we're just trying to be thoughtful about using that in minimal locations. And so that would also be the material along the front of the plaza level parking garage. So there would be again either doors or openings for how you enter the garage at the far end, but then we would have some openings in that stone to bring in light and air to the parking garage on this level. Okay, and then so this is, you know, just walking through the plaza. We're kind of at the hammerhead fire truck turnaround. Again, looking back sort of at the lobby, having a shed roof. You know, we're looking at potentially having, you know, a green space and trying to be thoughtful about, you know, obviously have snow fencing and gutters, but, you know, just thinking about when we do have shed roofs, how do we manage, you know, snow and water and bring the water down from there. Again, you can start to see our flat roof detailing where we have more exposed timbers or purlins and we're really working to create more of an alpine layering of materials by changing the orientation in a couple locations here where it's a change of scale of materials with perhaps like an 18 inch lift of horizontal material and then the vertical is more of a 6 to 8 inch material. So really trying to play up the texture but having these warm wood tones that really do draw from some of the draw site color palette. Erica, can I just point out a couple other things that strike me when I look at this that really helped us the the far side. It's actually better and you can see it a little bit more in the just the previous side. One of the things that they've done is to bring in this horizontal wood board stripe that kind of brings down that vertical look again. because of the contrast adds a little bit of that alpine element of the contrasting wood. The other thing that in the previous design, those three center towers had a much more angled, what's the word? Right, the root. No, it. No, it was the parapet. It's a parapet, that was the word. And which sort of hid the rooftop garden that we were planning, which was one way to look at it. But I think what they've done to sort of flatten it out makes it less, it has less of that verticality and also a little less modern and a little more traditional in that way. So I just wanted to point those out because I think they're subtle but they were really impactful to me. What is the design element called that jets out, that adds some Kind of creative element over the windows. What did you call it? Well these these are sunshades is that or they're talking about the flat roofs? Well, I guess on the other Yeah, I'm a flat roof or if there's a name for that element decorative kind of Well this is breaking those up I think you are pointing to a rainbow. You mean the post the post can be Things look like beams. Yeah, I think I just think his own. Oh, you're good. Yeah It's a good one. It's like pegs to me and they are functional, which makes them even better. They're functional, which makes them even better. Well, not the little guy. But the roofs are functional because they provide sunshade. And that's true. That's what she said. Yeah, well, how about the living room on the right side of the next balcony? I bigger when with no sun shade. So I mean, it's kind of. Sort of. But keep going. OK. So again, this was our previous view from juice. And then let's see and then integrating you know more of the dark siding and you know kind of blending you know the stone is not as visible from this side because again we're trying to keep it to one to two stories but we really are drawing from the stone from specifically town hall and thinking that that would be a nice element to kind of have some, you know, kind of just really looking at what we have in our, it's the closest building that we have, right? And so blending in with the natural environment, but also the built environment that is our direct neighbor, it seems like we've always been pulling from it a bit, but the stone in particular is a new element that we're bringing in. And then there is also representation of darker brown sighting and lighter kind of blonde wood sighting in town hall as well. And so I think the palettes are starting to obviously draw from each other, and they still have differences, but they do have some commonalities that we're trying to find with the materials. Again, just those darker elements in terms of the upper hallway and the units that we've removed, we're really trying to set back that uppermost level to the courtyard side. And so, obviously, we've looked at lots of views where you look up at the building and you don't see that level at all. But when you do get across and you're at juice, right? And at the gondola views, you know, you are going to start to see more of that upper level. And so we're feeling like making it a darker tone to recede is really the direction that we're liking so far. And then I don't think we made the packet with this view, but we have started. This is an older gondola image. I have a knee injury this year, so I haven't not been up on the gondola this year. But I did, I took this image a couple years ago when we first started looking at this project. So there are some new buildings that I think, you know, obviously have filled in in some of these locations. So we can update this, but we were trying to get, you know, some similar snow cover on the roofs and, you know, start to get the scale of that building in as you would see from the gondola because we have looked at this image for prior design options. So that was one of the requested additional views and then, so again, this was our floor plan that we have refined, you know, this is the old one, sorry. And then for comparison, this was the areas that we have removed. We did swap. So we have the two bedroom units are where we started integrating that ShedRoof form. And so we were, the two bedroom and the studio are really the same size as a three bedroom unit. And so we swapped the three bedroom units kind of to the back of the building and brought forward another two bedroom unit so that as we start to show you our three D-views next at the next meeting with landscape of of the courtyard will have more of those shed roof forms visible from the courtyard. So we were really trying to keep our overall efficient floor plan in the L shape, but being kind of creative with where the units go. But we still have the same unit count, same bedroom count. just sort of hot swapping units to see what helps us with the architecture. And then the last slide we have is specifically calling out, our current intention for materials, and obviously we would love feedback here, but the idea would be to have non-combustible, very durable low maintenance materials, and I think Nietzsche was one of the materials that has been discussed. It certainly doesn't have to be that material, but I think there are a number of different material manufacturers that have a similar product that we can continue to look into in terms of pricing and exact color palette. But we would love to establish a design intent for the material palette and then be able to work with Hazelton to really get, we have some samples of these in our office, but we'd like to go further with samples and mockups and really go dig into what the materials will be at a later phase. So, but we feel that these could be achieved with a number of different types of products. And again, this was one of our inspiration images down here in the right corner of having exposed structure, the colors of darker brown and then a lighter wood with changes in orientation of the materials to kind of still potentially have a shed roof form, but then start to articulate below the overhangs and with the materials to add more of that alpine character that you guys had requested. OK. Great. Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Really thank you for taking the feedback and translating that into something a little bit different, a little bit more feels like snowmass blends more with the town hall, which I think we appreciate and incorporates more elements of alpine character. So thank you. I am sure everyone has comments, thoughts. Do you want to go first? I'll go first. All right. Might have probably be the simplest. Okay. Go ahead. First of all, I'm very sympathetic to the effort you have in front of you because there's nothing more difficult than presenting to a Board of five people of different opinions about aesthetics. I mean It's easy to talk about plans and and Constructibility and and cost all of when he gets this that exits. It's it's very difficult I think you try to respond quite well and I Appreciate the difficulty of it, if I could start with the easy part, could you just go to the floor plan? I have a really simple little something that I saw that the stair on the L. Could that be slid over next to the corridor? Any reason why it has to be out there? It can't because of the parking garage. So we have our... Well, that. So we did look at that but it we have a drive aisle you know what two way drive aisle. Yeah. Lower levels. I mean it could possibly transition above I don't know. I don't know it but yeah. No that's a good comment. We have been looking at transfer stairs if it if we need to. But it's easier to not so No, no, thank you. But maybe you can, you know, put like a closet for the bedroom that's next to it or something. Maybe you could use some of that space, you know. No, that's, I think that's a great observation. That's one of the units that we haven't spent as much time on yet and I started redlining it and then I said, no, we have to make sure we get the character on board. And then that's what we will come back to the next moment. So now let's go to more difficult stuff. Can we go to the perspectives, the renderings? Do you like the new ones or the? Yeah, this one, you know. I appreciate what you've done in Flatney, the roof in the center of the building, with taking the peaks off of the triangular parts. I am not comfortable with the sun shades. I just find them, just as even as just a massive detail, I know you're responding to their quest to make more horizontal, make more L-pine and all that. But this is not a wood frame building. I mean, it's totally tacked on, it looks tacked on. It doesn't really relate to anything else going on with the building. To me, I would rather you work with those facades as being more just sort of plain and maybe do some of the recessing windows or get some detail to it. I'm not real comfortable with these sun shades. Now, you're gonna get four other opinions. And while we're looking at it, I like the use of the stone. I like what you're doing at the ground level. And making that much more user friendly, you know, pedestrian friendly, more alpine, more softer scale, I think that's great, and the stone and all that. I appreciate you're bringing the stone up part way up the facade, but it looks a little arbitrary as to where it stops. I wonder if it'd be better if either went all the way up or if it didn't go up at all. I mean, it just, that part is... As it turns the corner, because we have, you know, we will bring some more views at our next meeting, but, you know, the grade is coming down and really bearing, you know, the parking garage and the storage. So it does kind of become grade level as it turns the corner so that was part of our thought. I hear it's not transitioning so well and to try to love it. And let's go to the other side elevation. Yeah. I really like what you He did about not expressing the stair tower and move those units again. I'm bothered by the sunshades on many levels because it's not a wood building. It's not an alpine building. If we had made it a criteria to be getting to design an Alpine building, you would have had a different building. I think we can incorporate some heavy timber into this type of construction, though, as my understanding. It's not a heavy timber structure by any means, but for the entry lobby areas. The entry lobby area, correct. But the sun shades, no no, and you don't need. Today's high-tech glass, you really don't need sunshades. You don't have them on most of your windows anyway. So maybe you could do something with articulating in the materials in the facade or something, or maybe setting back in the windows or reducing the flatness. But from my taste, everybody's got different tastes. I'd be perfectly fine if those two ends were just sort of plain, simple walls, and not try to do too much with them. So, I think you're making great progress. It's not easy, particularly the stage, where you have five different opinions. different opinions. We have five different people who probably get seven or eight opinions. So. Well, thank you. Cecilia, are you on? Maybe she's not. All right, we'll wait for it to come up. I'm here. I'm here. Oh, do you want to comment? Did you have any comments you want to make on the? I do.'m gonna let I think I'm gonna defer to to Britta to go first Okay, Britta here. Sure I agree with Tom. We are talking aesthetics to some degree however I would also say that it's not just the aesthetics It's really working on this height concern and the massing that I think is the hardest sell to the community as I've mentioned before, I think going up this four stories, what's gonna appear five stories, and even more when it's up on a draw is part of the effort that you've clearly started to address here and I'm grateful for that. I have some suggestions to kind of enhance what you've already started working on here but for at first I'd just like to point out that I think Betsy's suggestion of the stone is great I'm really excited about that I think that's working on creating more of a horizontal effect that downplays that vertical visual line that I think can be overwhelming. I tend to definitely disagree with Tom when it comes to the Hurlins or the overhangs there. I think not only does that help break up the massing of just a flat wall, I think it creates those shadow lines and that really in addition to having an element is gonna help with the shadowing, create less of a dramatic flat wall, kind of apartment building feeling. So I was actually excited about this. So maybe there's some kind of compromise between doing it on every level and playing with it a little bit. So I guess, again, when it comes to sort of the overall vertical nature, I was struck by thinking about the patterns. And I understand obviously the logistics and the financial incentive to want to have one on top of the other, and they're all the same. And there's that repetitiveness. When I look at it, I see a four-story building. I can't help it because I can so clearly see one, two, three, four. And I just got that pattern effect that makes sense, but doesn't feel snow mass at the same time. And I'm wondering, again, I mentioned kind of a push pole or differentiating with exterior elements. And so I'll just, I'm gonna hand these to you guys. So I don't fumble around trying to communicate what I'm talking about. Give me some visuals and... Oh. Um. So I guess if you look on the top page, this piece, it's that the vertical look that I'm trying to kind of communicate is all this upward, the visuals, the eye, eye goes straight up where all those white arrows are going up. You know, I... is upward, the visuals, the eye, eye goes straight up where all those white arrows are going up. I feel like if there's any way, like the suggestion that Betsy made of bringing in some stone to kind of get that horizontal effect, even more, because I feel like the one, two, three sections that are all similar and all the same in the middle. I feel like that's really adding to that pattern effect and maybe there's something that could be done in there. I would also suggest playing with pushing back the corners on both sides if possible. Now I know these are big architectural adjustments so please take this as just me trying to give some design, some sketched out explanation for what I'm thinking but don't think that I would expect you to use any or all of this. It just needs your way for me to communicate it. For example, we used on here with the floor plan. This is the wrong floor plans, the previous one, but taking the upper level and perhaps rotating it to the back or even taking it another adding another leg to the L here, something to think about. I think that would help break up the skyline. It's that stepping back. I would say in any possible way to step back that top floor to help differentiate, I think that would help bring it up in a, perhaps. So that's one suggestion. Take it or leave it. Another thought I had is I really like the elevator space. I think that that's turning out really nice. And I am particularly happy about the material that you put on there. And I wondered if that could be a place to add it an alpine element and just put a bit of a, is it called a gable, this shape? Is that, yeah, on top of that? To maybe, I don't know, bring in some of those towers that exist throughout Snowmass. We've got one proposed at the center. We know about the main one in the mall. We've got the Timbers Club. And I don't know, just to play with that potentially as another element of bringing in some more of that alpine flavor. But I guess overall, for me, it's getting there. But I'm still really struggling with the height and the impact of that visual height. That is the biggest hang up for me. Each time I look at it, I say, well, this is better than the previous iteration. So I'm grateful for the work that you've done on it. I'm still feeling that it's very impactful in that vertical space. Another, I think I passed out all of them, but I handed you one drawing from a building that's being worked on and tell you're I had similar four floors and I really attracted to How that breaks up that height. I'm not necessarily saying that I think that it's something that I find You know as an architect sure subjective, like I don't say to myself, I love this. I'm just saying as far as giving that breaking up of the massing, I think this is doing some of that. And, you know, we've got opportunity here with the DEX. And I was looking at some of your work on your website. I think it was, let me find myself, the project. The basalt vista housing, I like to tell you, had some of that differentiating push and pull. I know it's different because these are stacked where that single units. But I thought there was something to pull from that that reminded me of kind of this tell your ed project. Then finally I also handed you a drawing that just gave a suggestion about the windows, like perhaps just to open up those windows a bit, open up the deck. I printed out enough for everyone but myself. So. to open up those windows a bit, open up the deck. I printed out enough for everyone but myself, so I'm here. Right here, if you look at, you know, just opening up the windows a bit on this one panel here. Do you mean by opening up the deck window? This space here. Yeah. So let in more daylight and just break it up so it's not similar to right next to it. You're saying, will you be by opening it up? This is what they have. This is a bigger room. Oh I see. And you see how this gives it a different generation between the window next to it. And again, just any little subtle ways that you can add more detail and articulation, I think it really is helping to just to mitigate that vertical impact. And again, when I look at it that middle panel, I wonder if there's something on the facade that you could add to it to further break it up and bring in some of those horizontal elements. So, lots of my ideas take them or leave them, but I'm excited to say that, you know, see all this and it seems like I'm being particularly nitpicky, but I think you're really doing a great job and I think each time new ideas come in, it's getting there, breaking down that vertical impact. So thank you for that. And finally, just to the entryway, I think you could be even more dignified. I like what you've done so far, but I would challenge you to just get even more creative with that and have more fun with that space. I think it could really help too to give this building more character. Those are my thoughts. Okay. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. Susan, if you want to go next, I'll go last her. It's going to go ahead, Cecilia. You're on. Go ahead. Okay. I, um, I really appreciate how much this is like, I really think this draws your eye horizontally this version in a way that the last one didn't. I do think that we're moving in the right direction of being in the character of Snowmass. And do you think that some of the character of snowmass just is inherently tonal with the landscape around it and I really I feel like this has moved in the right direction around that. I am conflicted between what Tom and Britta both said. I feel like the, what are awnings? What are we going to call them? The pearl. Yeah, I feel like the detail, it actually looks like maybe two Santa they like to me. When perhaps to like just, I'm sorry, I agree with Tom, this is hard for this many of us to be giving like design feedback. But I think that potentially not having the two-tone could help. I agree that like, it is nice to break up the blocks. I agree with what Britta said. That being said, they kind of the way they're showing up now, they do look a little adhered or just there and not necessarily and they weren't you know part of the original building but I think if we are to move forward with something like this that's breaking up the mass it feels like it should be enhancing and back to the the VISTA project. Well, actually, I wanna go to the town hall and some of the tonal colors there. And just to tie it into your Vista project, I was actually living next door to that when they were being built, and they're really, really beautiful. And I, there's two elements from both of those, the sort of earthy terracotta like tone that we have in town hall, and then also, I think you were pulling that into the project in Bissol. Maybe with corrugated metal, it's hard to see from the Google pictures that I pulled up. But that might be a really nice thing to incorporate. I really love the stone. I think that that's not necessarily disagree that it's maybe cutting in a funny way, but I think the incorporation of the stone has been really nice. And I also love the lake. As far as like breaking up, breaking up mass, I love how the, what do you call the lattice that you have on the Vista project? Are you talking about the, um, they're, it's kind of like a gap board. Yeah. They're like, they're at the decks. And they kind of provide some shade and privacy for the decks. Yeah. I, I, I don't know that it's possible because of building code and fire. But when I've seen buildings that have sort of lattice type facades that are wood, I think it can break up the building and be remarkably beautiful. I know that we probably can't do real wood, but But you know, any sort of product that looked closer to wood. I think the the light wood detailing that you're doing on here is getting closer. I worry, I think I pointed out to you guys that I worry about some of the large sort of bow wood product. My concern is that that can start to look, it doesn't necessarily age really well, and it can look perhaps cheaper than it is. I know it's a very high quality product and as far as durability it can hold up. But the more natural elements and pulling in the wooden features can be really beautiful. So I, I um, yeah, those are, those are some of the, the comments I would make just to, it's definitely final detail type stuff and And again, I go like take what you can out of that. I again, love to see it just be broken up a tiny bit more and and I don't know you know how many more mechanisms you have to do that but that's like my biggest concern especially when I look at it from the gondola perspective it does look white it looks big it's it's a you know it's a big building and so anything that we can do additionally to make it blend and blend in with town hall I think will be really appreciated by the community visually. Thank you. Great. Thanks, Sessley. Susan. All right. Well, thank you. It's looking good and it's exciting to get to see more and more of what we're trying to visualize. I like the rooftop deck placement closer to the front. That looks nice right up there, especially with the landscaping up there. And then I'm okay with the sunshades, but I do kind of agree that those could look a little Santa Fe style, the way that they're presented here. So, and I do really like, I was looking at a picture online with the balconies or decks that protrude from the building more rather than just that consistently flat surface on those three angled parts of the building. I mean straight up and down from floor to floor, whereas if you have a deck railing that just jets out a little bit, it just seems warmer and less modern. And so I think that piece, I feel like that could soften that, those corners and those very flat fronts of all those balconies. So that was some, I really actually like the way this kind of presents because it's got different colors, it's got that different, that warmer wood around the decks, which I think is nice. And even the sort of the angled struts, I guess, that hold up any of those, the sunshades or whatever those pieces of the roof. That feels a little more snowmast than just the, the prerlins. Yeah, what do they call prerlins? Prerlins, right? Okay. I'm getting really good at this. Yeah. Okay. I also like Britta's idea of making these deck spaces as big as we can, just to let in more light and differ from the window size. That's a nice touch. And then just on the wood facade, which is when you gave the examples of the materials, the wood that you showed is more sort of variegated, I guess. It's not just all one color, which I like. I think that feels warm and it could break up that big facade a bit and it wouldn't look as you know if the if it weather I think it could enhance it rather than make it look like some old wall that's been there a long time. I mean you do know that these are all So, I think it's all fiber cement products for fire proofing that look like wood. Yeah, I'm not real wood. I guess. But I'm excited about it. I think it's looking great. And I appreciate your really listening to what we're trying to express. Great. I, you know, a lot of what I was thinking has been said. but I will say before I knew they were called Perlins, I just referred to them as weird peggy looking things because the way that they shadow, it just looks like little tiny pegs. I couldn't even tell they were like a beam. So I think it's the way that they shadow that kind of, I don't know, makes my eyes go crazy. I'm not such a fan of it, but I mean it's the way that they shadow that kind of, it makes my eyes go crazy. I am not like such a fan of it, but I mean, it's not horrible. I just, you know, maybe if there was other things we could do and take those off or however, it would be, I do think that the closer and feel we can make it connect to Town Hall is really nice because I think when Britt and I were talking to you saying how the rec center and town hall kind of mimic each other and it would be nice to sort of bring it in like because it is a town owned building and I like the colors and I think it's worn nicely on those two buildings over the years. I think that the drawings that in suggestions that Britta presented to us, particularly with the drawing from the building from prospective building from Telyride, do you think it's really interesting and maybe what they've done there to make it more dimensional would help with some of what people feel about the flatness of that big center chunk. I mean, I am not an architect, so I don't know how easier hard that is to do. But I do think the way that they've set it up in that particular building is a really nice feel to it. But overall, I'm positive. I think we're at the right mix. We have got more bedrooms than before, which is a positive. And I think this is a project that people are going to feel proud of when it's done. And I don't know. You don't have to tell us right now. Obviously, your feedback to some of the things Britta suggested and others, but you know, if we're able to sort of incorporate some of these and do a revision, I think that would be great. I mean, I don't know how realistic any of it is, but I think they're good thoughts. So. I thought, well, one is just listening, one is just thinking, you might look at, I don't know if it would work or not, but he go to just like a regular rendering. Go in the primary renderings. Like this one? Yeah. Just something worth looking at. I don't know if it would be successful or not, but if you took the top balcony on each of the projecting sections, the diagonal sections, and what if you removed the roof over that top balcony so it didn't have a roof, would reduce the scale, would give you more variation at the roof line. I don't know if it works or not, but it might be something that might address some of the things that my colleagues have brought up. This is tough. I appreciate how tough this is. But I think almost everything that's come out of our mouths with the exception of the Perlin some loving and some not I Feel like we're all kind of going in the same direction here, so it is hard It's hard for an architect to hear a committee and then try to integrate the advantages But I think we have come a long way since since the three building schemes. So that's that's a positive Pretty close to the finish line. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if you guys have any comments or further questions or anything. Sorry, I'm just processing. It's OK. And we're going to see going to see you again, right, on the 20th, or whatever. But I think that's overall sort of the general feeling, which is going in the right direction are these some other tweaks possible. And I think that a lot of the suggestions are possible. I think it is, I think there's some commonalities of what you guys are saying and I think those are doable. I do agree that the Perlins you know probably are not structural and so I think we could look at those but I think it's hard because there are a few of you that Or one of you that likes them maybe you look at some sort of a horizontal projection that isn't quite so Yeah, and I had a before Yeah, we did the poster beam was me. I'm on a just take right. I'm gonna take responsibility for that I thought it looked mountainean I I liked it but yeah. I had that texture. It does add texture and shadow. So I think it's, I guess we're, I'm trying to extract the feedback that you like about it is that I think it adds, you know, perhaps there too contrasting, you know, with their color. So I think there are lots of little things to study on how to maintain texture and layering that is breaking up the larger masses. So I think that's doable. I think the part I'm still struggling with is that the last meeting, it did seem like there was a consistent message that you like the number of units and bedrooms. And I think that in order to address height or additional mass, we will have to lose bedrooms or units. And I don't feel that there is another way besides increasing height to add more variation to the roof line, for example but I think a lot of the suggestion is removing the balconies and taking the roof off of that might give that sort of texture. Okay. Then my colleagues are looking for it won't affect anything other than. I was actually learning a little bit of and architectural view lines that when you, where the building needs to skyline, I'm sure you know this, but the, the, the, a gateble can actually soften the impact of the building meeting the skyline. So I, I hear what you're saying about like not wanting to get it and go up any higher, But I feel like without trying to go up too high if there's a way to soften that flat, I mean, in meeting the skyline. In general, relationship with the mountain line behind it kind of. I mean, we definitely could tack on gables as how it would feel, I think, with the scale of this building, unless we were to dramatically change the roof line and integrate it with architecture. So that's my honest opinion. Like I think that those will look more tacked on, and I'm only hearing that from one request. So I think I guess I'm trying to find requests that at least have a couple. So I'm not trying to not listen to you, but if I had heard that request maybe from a couple people, I think it would maybe be worth looking at more. But in general, you know, with taller buildings, you know, it does create waterproofing complexities. It creates snow-shedding issues. it creates water drainage issues, like they're not, they're absolutely wonderful shapes I love cables, I do, but I think there's a scale at which they are more functional and appropriate. And I don't, I guess that's where, you know, if everybody felt that that was a direction, I think it would be helpful for me to hear that as a common direction because it's hard to do the other things that I do think are more achievable. And then does that make sense? Like I think that's where Tom's talking about where you're hearing, you know, five different opinions. I'm trying to find the commonalities. And so I think that that would be, you know, are you open to some of those other refinements? And really my question is, you know, are we wanting to remove bedrooms or units, or are we wanting to stay with where we're at? Okay. I think my suggestion was, is there any way to play with what you have without removing anything you know reconvene you did this last iteration so I we did without adding complexity so I think we we are we're not we still are stacking unit types for efficiency of plumbing systems and structural systems and if we We were to or have you know for example a studio on top of a three-bedroom unit it's hard to stack all of those services and so I think that's where the image that you shared is more is not stacking specifically and I think that I understand exactly what you're looking for. And I do have a couple ideas that I think could help, but I guess I'm just trying to understand or are we feeling that just a few tweaks would, what if we, what if we did this? What if we looked at the things that there was some consensus on? Okay. Erica, you know, has some ideas that maybe can do some of this. I'm committed, I'm sure you all are, too, to the same unit count and the same bedroom count, if not better. And I think affordability is an issue. I think having things not stacked would add so much cost or adding lots of stone or some of that. So we always need to balance that. It's always that intersection. So what if we, when we come back in two weeks? And the only thing I was going to change to that is, let's take our time on this one. We keep seeing this two weeks, and I feel like, yeah. Let us come back, thank you. We're ready come back 17 different opinions You get the landscape and get it all ready and then hopefully we're gonna come back with the homerun You say oh, yeah, that's pretty close. Thank you and we can go and if there's a couple things You think you know like on the elevation that You know, you maybe you want to show us a couple options or something if you feel sort of there a are a couple things that might work. Don't feel you just got to come back with just one. Right, and I certainly appreciate and think very much about the budget on this. However, if something, if a visual element made this more palatable for the community and it felt good and it was an easier sell overall, I would just like to know that we looked at that and understood what that additional cost might be and let us kind of understand what we're talking about. Millions, you know, hundreds of that. I would just, if there were some kind of creative element that you might put out there, but it has a pretty notable price tag, I wouldn't want to completely say this has to be so budget that we're compromising the aesthetics that are going to be part of our community now for the next 100 plus years. So I do want to, you're not completely sacrifice visuals for the budget. I know that we're thinking money and asking the taxpayers to commit a huge financial commitment. But we're also asking them to sacrifice the land there and be committed to looking at it visually for, you know, generations to come. So I don't want to completely eliminate something just because it has an extra price tag to it. And just to your comment on Gables, I think what I understood last time, we talked about more alpine elements and we talked about the capital building and looking at that. So I was under the impression that that might help. But if I'm the sole supporter of what a Gable, that's a different architectural direction. So I guess where I was thinking was just on top of the elevator shaft and seeing how that might play into the sky at the roof line. But you're right. If you're only hearing it from one person, I understand. But I strongly think that would help. I just wanted to chime in and and say that I am also interested in either gables and the other thing that comes to mind is potentially rounded elements. It's on our town hall. So I don't know if I think those are two ways that we could, I think the rounded kind of sticks with a bit of a more modern aesthetic, but it still teams the visual impact on the skyline. While the, oh, sorry. The gables can, could make it feel a bit more alpiney and to British point, again, makes a difference on just the view line and the visual impact. So just to add to that, that there's maybe more than one way to get to that. But I also agree that there could be ways to change the skyline on this. Okay. I think you guys have heard, you've heard everybody knows how everybody feels. We know the consensus items. And if you have more questions, you know where to find us. Okay. Thanks. Thank you so much. Thank you. What? Yes. We're going to take just a minute for a bathroom break because I'm on the time crunch. Take some cake when you go. It'll make your whole evening that much better. What are those all little like individual slices of pieces? I wrapped them up so you can just take it to go. I just walked up there and I was going to slice a cake. So what are these flying saucers? It's too old and so. I saw the plastic bottle. To redo it, I just do mine. I don't think it's a piece. Okay. And this looks like first grade, right? No. Bye. you you you you you you you you you you We are now going to move on to our next slide. going to move on to our next agenda item which is the town council goals. We have met several times and I think we have nailed it down pretty much to a finished product. I think maybe we'll just go through run through it and then one more intersection where anyone has comments or changes. We can do so. I kind of went through this compared to the last time we met compared to all the other times we met and made sure that it was consistent with what we said. So I thought the front page, the first page looks good and if anybody has any comments on that we can change them but incessantly just chime, oh she's gone. No she's there. Just chime in whenever you want. I thought the first page looked good. None. The first section, which is the affordable housing section. It was a little clarification. OK, go ahead. In the second line, we talked about in the larger goal, 383 units. I just want to clarify that's not 383 on top of 185. The 383 comes from the 2018 comp plan. And the 185 is what's remaining of the 200 that was agreed to be attacked out of the 383. So I just like to add the larger goal of 383 new units, new units since 2018, just to clarify what we're talking about. Total units? Would that make it even? Well, you could say total, but total, I mean, total 383 new units since since 2018. You could say creating a 185 new units moving towards the larger goal of 383 units. Well, yeah, I just want to tie back the 2018 swing over. Okay. Any other comments on this section? Sure. Just make sure the council will continue to work toward the near-trimmed goalcreen. 185 new units moving toward the larger goal of 383 units identified in the 2018 comp plan. Correct. Sure. Yeah, that's good. That other comments on this section? Okay, in the next section, which is the embrace high quality balance destination management plan. Two things one is in the bullet points the one that says events will continue to focus on making making a connection with community. Just need a period. But then when I looked back at the notes, one of the things I had seen was increase awareness of how we help local businesses. I know it's his focus on local businesses, but one of the things that I think we said we wanted to do is make sure that the community was aware of the things that we currently do to help local businesses. That was in my notes. What's the word anyone had? Well it's just when I looked back, I know it was just it was increased awareness of how we help local businesses. It's not just focusing on the local businesses. It's just so that the more that the community was aware. That was just something that I had seen in my notes that someone had commented, I don't even remember who. Add it to end the crease awareness. Awareness, community awareness of local businesses. Well, of how the town currently aids them, like helps them with the All right, so just make up some words. Yeah, did you you understand what I'm saying Clint? Clint knows what we do. Okay. Focus on local business, local causes and local participation and increase awareness of Services provided to local businesses. Sure, that's great. Sounds great. Any other comments on that section? So one thing that I had kind of questioned and I'm not sure if fully incorporated was the rebalance. And I know we have the sentence as a community with a resort of events, and I must village my strike a balance between welcoming the community and maintaining the name of the local community. I completely agree with that statement. I just feel like I'm about two years in a goal setting statement. I would stress, put more stress on reinforcing the balance the balance or refocusing the balance or getting back to that balance as kind of a critical goal in this section as opposed to muscle strike a balance. And I know that we didn't have that conversation on that particular sentence before I wasn't sure where we might bring in that refocus, rebalance, I don't know how others feel, but that was just a thought I had. Yeah, I feel like that's kind of the the effort of just kind of working at the short terms to kind of refocus or remind us of the need for that balance. Okay so add in like a refocus or rebalance to that one sentence. Adjust the balance between.'s adjust the balance between work on the balance. Uh-huh. Continually working to balance. Balance. Yeah. Okay. So snowmess village must continually work the balance between welcoming visitors. That was your saying. Continue only work to strike a balance. I think that it just gives it that way. It's not maintained. Yeah, maintain is in there. Oh, does it maintained in second word. As a community with a resort within it, Snimmis Village must continually work to strike a balance between welcoming visitors and maintaining the need of the local community. And then, I should have just had it to tap on it and keep that continually in balance. I don't know, you guys could expand on that sentence. I'm just going to give you to work on the rebalance. Where's that? I'm feeling like we're out at a point where we're trying to get back in balance and add that into that sentence a little bit. To couldn't take a minute, it's like the community to continue to strive for that balance. Where is that? Added on to that sentence. So... It's where my village must continue to work to strike a balance between welcoming visitors and maintaining the need of its local community. We're continuing to... Re-s to retain that balance, continue to strive for that balance. Well, you are a cent, we're going to strive. Yeah. I think you are a cent, I think you said enough. Okay, I think you're like you've got it in there. I think we've got it. It's more of an incentive to try and accomplish. Okay. So that sense will read as as a community within a resort as a community with a resort within it snowmess village must continually work to strike a balance between welcoming visitors and maintaining the needs of its local community. Okay. All right. Any other comments on that section? The next section is going to be the development detailed area plan in and around the Snowmass Mall. Any comments on there? Okay. The next is strengthen community engagement to foster emotional Connectivity and when I went back and looked at my notes the only thing that we had talked about a little bit in relation to this section was Exploring a community hub location. I know that we put that thing about the collective in the I think the DMP area or wherever it was but But that was one of the things we talked about under this community engagement. So I don't know. But I looked back at my notes and that was in there. I don't know if it's important if you guys want that in there. But I don't know. I was in the office. I was in the office. Yeah, I agree. Okay. Yeah. It was just from I know it's it was explore community hub location. How about explore the opportunity to create a community hub location? Our community hub. That's fine. You know, you're in a location. That's great. Yeah, I think bringing this statement into a physical location. It's an important. Asperation or goal. With this this council. Okay. Any other. Changes in that section. Okay, then- Whatever it is, explore opportunities to create a location for a community hub. Great. That's great. Okay, continued commitment to sustainability and resiliency. In the, when I was looking back, one of the things that we had talked about, well, that you had mentioned was fire, water, greenhouse gas, and waste disposal. it says requires addressing environmental other safety topics. I didn't know if we wanted to say as it relates to fire, water, greenhouse gas. I didn't know if we needed to list them, but I know you had talked about it in there the other day. And then in the bullet points. I think Brita you had mentioned updating the community preparedness brochure, right? Sure. Isn't that what you had said? I definitely brought it up. I didn't. I would just say updating community preparedness. Updating. Well, one of the things we had said was enhanced community communication, preparedness, and recovery. That's what we had said in the meeting. Yep, like that. Do you have that? No. It was enhanced community communication, preparedness, and recovery, which I think kind of summarizes that. Enhance community, communication. Enhance community, communication, preparedness, and recovery. And how about, if you don't want you to know that, how about under other bulls with those four things we listed? Firewater greenhouse gas and waste disposal. Explore sustainability and resiliency regarding fire water. Just list them in there. It's all redundant, but at least they're down there. We've identified it. And I do think, Firewater greenhouse gas and waste disposal. Waste disposal. Mm-hmm. And I do think just like in this section above, where it's a specific idea is include whatever, like it needs sort of a, like what those bullet points are, like because they just kind of hang out there, where the other areas sort of, you know, the town will, or specific ideas include, or whatever you want to say. I just have specific ideas include. We're not running out. I'll put that in. Any other comments on that section? So the last book that further's told. Yeah, would you say? So the third bullet point is enhanced community communication, preparedness recovery, and then the fourth bullet point is further explore and I'm writing opportunities to improve issues that are inspired. We're going to see sustainability for. Yeah. Fire,water, greenhouse gas, and waste disposal. And waste disposal. You got it? Thanks, sir. OK. The next section is helping around residents thrive, not just survive. Yeah, I got a very simple. Yeah. The second line begins affordable locations I would put period and take out in the valley. It could be anywhere. Also, when we talked about it the other day, we didn't just talk about affordability. We were talking about accessibility to community services and things like that. So I think it shouldn't just be like affordability issues. It should be accessible. Yeah. But you say accessibility, I mean wheelchair access, you mean? Accessibility to any community service. Yeah, like whether it's child care, I don't. Yeah. Whether it's too crowded, you can't get in. Right. So where is that, I'm sorry. So where you have to address fundamental affordability issues when we, in our meeting the other day, when we were talking, I had written down that in addition to affordability it was like capacity accessibility to community services as well. So I just thought that was what I heard, well, someone said at the meeting maybe it was sessily I think. And so I just noticed that wasn't in there. So while it is difficult to identify specific steps, this council desire to address fundamental affordability issues. Fundamental affordability, capacity and accessibility issues for year-round residents. Okay. What does it need to be heavy on caveated with while this is it is identified a difficult to identify specific steps? Do you mean do we need specific steps? No, does it have do we need to caveat that statement? Can't we just say this council desires to address fundamental affordability issues for your own residents? Yes, but I think some people, the other day we were saying it wasn't just like about what you think of when you think affordability, but it's also just accessibility to certain services. I know, Cessla is asking if we should leave out that first phrase that says while it is difficult to identify. Oh I see. Sorry. No, I fully agree with what you were just saying. I think that that's for everything from senior citizens to like childcare to you know it's for everybody. So you're saying we're that first part of the line. Yeah it feels like we're copying out already. And just say this council desires to. Okay, so yeah. It's your, it's your, but the reason that's written in there is just because I don't know what to do. So I know it's important, but it was me calling, copying out or calling me being honest, I have no clue how to address those. Well, we will figure it out together. So take it out. Yeah, take it out and just start with this council. Okay. This council. Okay. This council desires to just fundamental affordability, capacity and accessibility issues for your residents. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Are we good on that section? Okay. Before everyone. What? Art? Well, I guess it's not something that's a dressable per se. Never mind. I'm going to pass on that. I just wanted to recognize that health care is more expensive here. But I think that that's not really something we should be putting in our statement. Okay. Okay. So the next section before anyone has a hard talk about the roundabout. We know the bad language needs to be changed. And I think last time at the meeting, the discussion was to set the timing and the scope of the project, but not like anything about the construction physically started. We're not going to start tonight to construct it, but we might agree in a different meeting where we really consider all the issues. Yes, so I think if you just set the timing and projects scope for the Al Creek, Brush Creek roundabout, and I think it also should say, why also evaluating other interim safety measures. Because if for some reason we, not that I want to, they might want to, not that I want to put the roundabout off, but if we had to because of something else coming up, that I do think we should know what interim safety measures we could do to make it a little better right now. for some reason we can't reach consensus or something else happens and we need that $89 for something. Don't freak out. This is your goals. I mean, I'm everybody's clear that this is the highest support of staff goal and I mean, I talked to Cecil today for 30 minutes about this. If I understand the impact of the congestion and the building fatigue, what I understand the number one issue to be is traffic. And this, improving this intersection can improve traffic flow and all those kinds of issues. And so this is a response to, if you'd like to make that fatigue less, we think this is the right step to do. And if you start saying, and we're going to identify all the interim steps, I feel like we're stepping back into the transit centers. Like, because the council told us a year ago, identify the interim steps, and then we went big, and we've got little and there are back to bed. I mean, I just need to know what know what you want to do. I think you guys are the boss. I'm gonna do that. Let's write down what Alyssa said which is we're gonna as a goal we're gonna have a meeting to determine the scope and the timing for the roundabout and if necessary to explore interim safety measures. That's just because we're not tonight going to agree to it, let's set up a meeting to have a proper discussion with all these people. I also think, send for next week. Okay, I mean, here's the other thing, is we put in our goals that we want to be thoughtful about how we're constructing in the town and what that looks like and how it feels on residents. And so if that isn't a goal that is really important to us, I think one thing is to look at everything, including the roundabout, including the draw side, including any other projects that are ours and not ours, in understanding the greater plane. I have a suggestion not specifically that. Okay, go ahead. So I'd like to add a bullet that says something the effect of create and maintain a master schedule of all proposed major public and private construction projects. There's no matter how it is, including public communication and preparation. So at least let's track what we can. And then we know the ones we can control, we may want to fit them in around the things we can't control, but whatever. Let's start to develop a master's schedule. I know some of my colleagues would like to limit the amount of construction and tell people they can build or they can't build. I'm not in favor of that. What I want to do though is let's just let's track it. We have the ability to track it. Let's know what's going on and part of that will be then. When we know something's happening, we can help communicate to the residents that might be affected and we can do it in a professional way. But I think that's a big step from what we're doing now. I like that. There's a bullet point. I think it just fleshes out what we talked about. I got created and maintained a schedule, but I'm thinking about the center. When would the center be on that schedule? Who knows? But we'll talk to Jordan. We'll know, right? But at least when we do know, it'll be on the schedule. And also adding in the language of maintaining means that we have the flexibility to update it as needed, as projects change. I mean, it it is never going to be perfect like we can't control when a private entity says up okay we're ready now to move forward with our you know development so that might not be perfect but I think that it would help to understand the greater scheme of things and maybe it's okay it's better if you put in the roundabout before you do the Little Red School House and before you do the draw site because of traffic impacts. I don't know. But I think this is the discussion that we should have. And there's other side too. I mean, if you find out there's gonna be four houses being major construction on a two-block section or far away, at least we know're not going to do anything about it, but at least we know we could communicate it Maybe the contractors can coordinate a little bit, but at least we've got something and I think our residents are looking for a little Absolutely management if I heard anything last summer it was please. Oh, I'll again, Clint. Create and maintain a master schedule of all proposed major public and private construction projects in Snowmass Village. And then it didn't work very well, but including public communication and preparation. I didn't write very well, but the idea is we can then communicate to the public is what's going on. So now you know. Any other comments in that section? So how did we land on the language on number two? We changed it. We said set the timing and projects scope for the Al Creek brush creek roundabout and then something with interim safety measures. Yeah. Like if necessary, export in rooms. Okay. And then in the original, they're the first paragraph of that before you get to the bullet points. In the second line, when it says, a thoughtful manner designed to reduce impacts, residents feel, I would just say to reduce impacts to residents. It's in the second line of the paragraph form where it says thoughtful manner designed to reduce impact's residents feel. I would just say impacts to residents. This is for us one of that. Oh, sorry, for us one. Yeah. Did you reduce the impact to residents period? Yeah. Any other additions? Okay. Who did it? I think that looks good. I think that looks to bring it? Are we going to see it again? You guys can do whatever you'd like. Or are we adopting it? What are we doing? I'm out. Is everyone feel comfortable? Do we need to make a formal motion? Yes, please. Okay. What someone would like to make a motion to adopt the town council goals? I move that we adopt the town council goals of 2025 as amended in this meeting. I'll start counting. All in favor. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I did attend that my first... She's thinking really hard. No, I'm sorry. It's been a long couple of weeks. I did attend my first Nordic meeting. And as I'm sure you all know, the Nordic season has essentially come to an end. And there's, there's setting out on a comprehensive sort of potentially doing revising the plan for the Nordic region. And I'm sorry, I'm like, my brain is not doing particularly well right now. But it was something that I talked to Susan about snowmass potentially participating in if they decide to revise this. Just making sure that snowmess has a voice at the table and that we maintain are really important Nordic heritage and everything that is important to us around cross-country skiing in this village. So yeah, I'm sorry, my very spotty. That's okay. Updates from them. That's okay. Tom, anything? Yeah, a couple of things briefly. Met with Petrab. They are going to be looking at ways to get better attendance from Petrab participants, part-time residents at their next meetings by annual meetings and they didn't feel that it would turn out and they were trying to figure out how to improve that. I met with the AB this past week and for the last week and they're very close to finalizing the letter. They're going to be sending to us. They've really done a really good job of outlining to us the things we ought to be thinking about. I told them, don't worry about whether or not it's practical. That's for us to decide. But tell us what we ought to be thinking about. And then I attended a state of the river meetings about the Colorado River last week. And it's all the usual stuff. But a key takeaway, you may know this, is that the last day, the Biden administration, Biden signed a grant that topped up the funding for the Shoshone water rights. And unless the current administration rescinds that, then those water rights are secured. But anything could happen. And they're very important. And that's it. Okay, right on anything. Just to quick update, I went to the tourism board meeting on 20th March. They looked at the destination management plan. They had a lot of thoughts. Many that echoed our sentiments on council when we looked at it. A lot of additional thoughts from the business, small business and business owner perspectives as well. They are going to, they've been looking at it and I know quite a few of them are really getting into details on it and bringing that back April 17th for their next board meeting. So we'll hear from them on that soon. Great. That's great. We have I have Rafta. We have Rafta this week. We have sister cities which I can't be at because I have some more city but I don't know if you'll be there. I will be there. I will say it was really wonderful. I got to welcome the DAV winner sports clinic. It was an incredible event. There's so many volunteers and it just, yeah, I mean they got good snow and they, I think, had a really successful week. So it's really meaningful to them. And then this week we're welcoming the Mountain Travel Symposium and for those that don't know it's like the largest gathering of mountain travel professionals in the world. And they are here what they haven't been here since a long time. And so they're back and there's all sorts of events and things and I don't know workshops whatever they're doing. So that's going on this week. And then, SAB, I went to my SAB meeting and we talked a lot about this public art that they're working in collaboration with Anderson Ranch on doing some pieces in Snowmass. And so they were honing in on that and then briefly talking a little bit about the mural for under the tunnel area. So I'm sure we'll be seeing something. Anything about painting the stands? So they, rather than painting the stands, they were looking into these stadium covers which basically go over the seats and they have a design on them and then these panels for the side that's like more open when you're coming up brush creek but I haven't I know they were getting pricing and stuff but I haven't seen anything they didn talk about it at this meeting. That's the last I heard is it's not, they're not asking, they think the best approaches, like a stadium cover, like a vinyl kind of cover that rules and unrolls and... Yes. And then I met with Angie from the Rowing Fork Wildfire Collaborative and just I think, you know, we talked about wildfire and may being wildfire prevention month. But one of the things she said that they are a project there, it's a $1.6 million project that a bunch of entities are working on this summer is creating a fire break near Soap Risk Ranch and that will help to prevent a fire from coming into snowmast. So that's a big one. So it was like, we're in fork fire, Soapris ranch, pick in state fire, I don't know, maybe Greg knows more, but there was a lot of entities, but but anyways it's something that directly impacts us so I thought that was important to share. Any other comments before we go to executive session? Can we do executive session 15 minutes? I think so. Here we go. All right. Town Council will now meet an executive session pursuant to CRS 24-6, 4024 and Snowmass Village Municipal Code, Section 2-45C for the following purpose. For a conference with the town attorney for the purpose of receiving legal advice on specific legal questions pursuant to CRS 24-6-4024B and Snowmass Village Municipal Code Section 2-45c2, more specifically related to quarterly update from the town attorney, provided there is an affirmative vote from two-thirds of the quorum president this meeting to hold the executive session and for the purpose of considering the items above, provided further that no adoption of any proposed policy position, resolution regulation or formal action, shall occur at this executive session. Can I get a motion? So moved. Second? Second. All in favor? All right. Thanks. All right. We will make this quick. you you you