We need to order at 6.31. Thank you everybody. Coming tonight, Mr. Yon, if you could do a roll call. Mr. Innis? Here. Mr. Brooks? Here. Mr. Mosego? Mr. Caputo? Here. Mrs. Glasgow? Mr. Seal? Here. All right. I believe that establishes a quorumorum. Move on to the next item. So I have a item on here to approve the agenda. I have a motion to approve the agenda. Move the approve the agenda. Second. All in favor? Aye. All right. Those are carried. All right. Alright, next item is the approval of the minutes from the March 18, 2025. If there are no additions or corrections to those minutes, I move there be a preview. Second. All in favor? All right. Motion carries. All right. All right. I don't know why I just voted, but I just voted. It's like it. Did you grow a count? No, I just... I just felt like voting. I don't know what we're gonna say. Well, this is where I remember this guy from the back. Yes. I was just backing you all up that long. Over enthusiastic. Yeah, I'm panicking. Well, this is where our mystery was standing from. Yes. I was just backing it all up. Over enthusiastic. Yeah, I'll pan it. Next item, one of the... What's that? GND is... Mr. Stamming from the back. Yes, I was just backing all up. Over enthusiastic. Yeah, and next I wanted to get a agenda is the discussion and update from the county administrative. Mr. Stamming. Yes, members of the EDA and new business task force. I wanted to provide an update on some items. I'm going to go back up a second. I've got three items here. Discussion this evening, the first is the Economic Development Strategic Plan. Second is just a quick update on the grocery store going in across the street. And then the Luther P. Jackson Committee discussion. I'll take one item at a time. But just to give you some background, you probably heard this from me before, but we did receive two grants that we leveraged the funds off with one another, one through VDAGs, one through the Virginia Tobacco Commission, totally about $50,000 and we engaged summit design and engineering services to begin the process of our developing a cumberland centric agricultural economic development plan and this will once it goes through the process and is endorsed by the EDA, adopted by the board, it will dovetail with the county's comprehensive plan. Just to give you an update of where we are, we're about 50% of the way through their process, they've been motoring along pretty good. You probably recall they started this and I believe it was March. So they're moving full speed ahead on this and where we started, the application that we submitted focused on on three items. It was the agricultural, economic development portion, local food economy, and then food access and food security. And that's what they discussed with you with the initial kickoff meeting of a few months back. And again, that was tied. Those elements were tied to our grant application. The focus shifted after that initial discussion with the task force and the EDA. The narrowed down potential focuses to topics relevant to the ag economy and less on-food deserts. About the same time we heard about the grocery store going in, we also have another project when we talk about the grocery store that I'm going to bring you up to speed on here in a minute as well. Their efforts are focused on small business, promoting producers and supporting the existing businesses within the county. And then identifying ways that the county government can get help, prioritize projects that will actually make a true impact locally. How does government spur economic development, agriculturally, and then get out of the way? The document will inspire support local producers. We want to make sure that it's useful. It's not just we go through the motions. We approve it and we put it up on a shelf. We want to make sure that it's a document that we can execute. And that it's useful. I don't want a lot of planning jargon as part of this, a lot of economic development jargon. It needs to be a tool in the tool kit for anybody who wants to start or expand or improve an existing business within the county. So up to this point, they conducted seven interviews, the first with the Virginia Department of Agricultural and Consumer Services. They interviewed the folks that we drove around on the tour with about a year ago. They met with Peter Francisco Water Conservation District and I can send you a copy of this. Thank you. Virginia Fairs in the Farm Bureau, they've met with them, they've met with the Extension Office, the CRC which is our planning district district folks, Commonwealth Regional Council. They've met with the American Far and Land Trust and two local processors. Now they do have an ag focus group that they're meeting with on June 3rd. I'm going to try to get there for that and then meet with you for what we have going on. But that's the same ag focus group that met during the comprehensive planning process. And it's made up of a lot of different folks that are agriculturally based within the county. And they're still going through the process of collecting data and refining some of this data. I've got some comments on some other slides as we move through the update. But this is where we are. We're kind of at that 50% mark and then we're going to be moving towards the completion of the project. So the interviews themselves, again they were focused on agricultural and regional experts and really they focused on agritourism was a big topic of discussion and it's something that we're all seeing this particular growth, diversification of farming operations, instead of being singularly focused, expanding the mindset, and then talking about partnerships between producers, the egg production, the poultry production, co-op is as singled out as an opportunity, but we can see more of that take place between our local producers and build off that. They're also looking at identifying potential regional partnerships that extend beyond the boundaries of the county, because we are, as a region, we're very like-minded in how we are operating and can have impact from an economic development standpoint. They're focusing a lot on new technologies and new and beginning producers. Local processors, a lot of their focus has been on partnership opportunities and looking at the taxation rate of business equipment for small businesses and we're going to talk a little bit more about this. Part of this document will help guide decision-making and policy-making as it relates to new business tax incentives. Okay. How are you? I think we heard you heard from everyone. The other element. The other thing we're going to be looking at is not only tax incentives, but also planning and zoning initiatives for how we zone certain properties, how we market certain properties, and have a clear set of deliverable goals and objectives with time frames that we can work towards as part of this process. feedback. feedback. I did mention the poultry co-op, exhorting USDA grading, protein processing. There's a lot of opportunities that they are seeing from a processing standpoint. A lot of opportunity for sausage making. I'm not going to act like I'm an expert on this because I'm not, but they seem to think that there is a lot of opportunity in the county for meat processing points. They are. I would love to provide some input to this because I have to drive three hours to go to USDA processing. And. I know Gutschland is gonna be open. We have 170 sheep. We probably have one of the biggest flocks. Yeah, we're going to talk about that in a minute. Okay. And you would make a lot, what? Seven years ago. Well, I had now that we were working on it for seven years. No, it's seven years ago. And Guchelin has one, and then three pillars. Right, so they're building them up. Right, by's here. And Gucci Longhouse one and then three pillars. Right, so they're building them up. You can go back up on a big one. Right, by the theaters. Right? By Gump's burning. Right, I could mad back. Really? The day we had more than everything. Yeah, well, so I'm going to want to attend the meeting. That's right. I remember seeing that. Yeah. after COVID we came out with 11 in Virginia. That's how many of us have had COVID. Well, in addition to that, I'm sorry, everyone. after COVID we came out with 11 in Virginia. That's how many of us have had COVID. Well, in addition to that, I'm sorry, everyone. I just said well. Partnerships with regional restaurants, I mean, keeping it local. And it comes back down to marketing and promotion of cummerling grown products. So when we talk about our tourism initiatives, we also have, as part of that, we should have a marketing campaign to buy local shop local and support the local economy. I put us an asterisk up there. We're going to seek to add potential projects to the list that's that can be found on county owned property and other properties throughout the county that may be optional. This is some census data from 2022 and I am going to push back on them a little bit because this needs to be updated especially since the the poultry closing of Tyson's you'll see that on some slides ahead but per the census data we have 397 producers. What's their definition of producer? It's a great question. They produce something. Right, that's the best thing. Because that could impact that number. Honey, I mean, they could produce something. We'll find out. Yeah, we can find out. 232 farms, 94% of those are family farms, 9% silver. You can read the slides. And you can see the locations throughout the county. What I'd like to do is make sure you all put your eyes on it as well. And I can send this to you. I think I did send it to you. Okay, put your eyes on it and make sure that they've captured everything. No. No, no, no. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. I'm close. Yeah, the Buckham Academy Association. So you've got both direct to consumer, because you've got a lot of direct to consumer, right? Who process out of pleasant values? It is there like a list of every farm is, because there's no license to have that in the county, is there? I don't think so. This is the regional analysis. Mm-hm. It's probably the number of farms. That's where they got that information from. Again, this would be something I would get with Peter Francisco. For example, I know hybrid farm and I think it's oak something over there on 600 isn't on there as well. And I didn't see it, 7 hills. 7 hills? On the morning sun. Oh yeah, yeah. Right, he does a bunch of pork and beef. Yeah, yeah. So the osles do beef. Yeah, the... And how many farms did we lose because of the... Correct, so we... That are a farm, but there's nothing we introduce nothing being produced on them now does that count? I mean we have if we're getting a real number I don't have a pointer but if you look yeah I think the few princes got things like Sherry and Mr. Smith here I believe around the border used to be on the board but what I'm going to do is provide this feedback to summit because when they go to meet with them yeah but I want them to do is say okay we're looking at data from 2022. The world's changed quite a bit since then. Because of COVID, nothing else. Well COVID and then the Tyson close. That's got to impact some of these numbers. So I'd like to have as close to actual statistical data as we can. That's 7 million numbers probably. A lot lower. That's a lot lower. Because I know that. Yeah, exactly. But look, I mean, Amelia, we were the two largest producers. And not away. You know that number's got to be skewed now. And why were cows withheld? Oh. Oh. Buckingham cattle men's association with these one. How else would it have taken you to the job to? Well, and how do we not miss any of these farms that are legitimately doing something? We don't, because that's another way you kind of, you know, so I just see there some there, but they see their neighbors. And they get out of the upsets. And they're offended. I don't know. Yeah. Well, that's something that I can ask them with fine tuning. You're always going to miss one or two. So the cattlements association would no call for the farmers that are encumbering the extension office would know farmers that are encumbering. Well, it's this derived from tax, licenses, or USDAA licenses. Okay. Well, and I can tell you there's a lot of people that don't want to fill that thing out. Oh, yeah. Kelly's not even so. It's volunteer. It's volunteer. It's volunteer. Yeah, it's not. Of course. Okay. How to make sure with the memorized. But that is fascinating. Even for back then. Yeah, I definitely want to go ahead of you. Yeah. Because then that way, we can, I can start giving the names to you. Yeah, I don't know if you will help me. I will. I will. I will. So yeah, if you could just, a lot of times that would be by acres, right? So you know, we have people that are moving here from the city and they get five or ten acres and they say they got a farm. But they are producing something, even it's for themselves, but maybe they're producing a little definition. What is the definition of a farm? Is it a... I think honestly it's part of this document. Definitions need to be at the very front. So when you read it, you know exactly what you're looking at. Because you got hobby farms who only do it for themselves. Right. But they're still important to the community in fact that could be a big attraction. Yeah. Good. Perfect. Because when we say, oh well we have a lot of hobby farmers. We have 56 hobby farms throughout the county. Gentleman's farm. That's a gentleman's farm. That's a woman's farm. What's that? But that's an attraction to the county. Do you have a woman in the corner? Yeah, but I don't want to. What constitutes a gentleman's farm? Robert. That's what I'm saying. What does that mean? like, is there like a hobby farmer's really your production for yourself? And that to me, Jell-Earns Farm was the old way of saying that somebody who inherited their family's farm and just kind of doesn't dab with it. All right. Not really fun. They just dab. Oh, man. Right so, eggs. I'm ready to sell them. I got eggs coming out of my ears. Oh, eggs. We don't want them to sell out Yeah, we got egglings best produced in the county too. We're maybe 100 or 1000s of eggs. What's the name of our farm name? Is that the one by Trace's like? Sorry, yeah. Like about what? Tina, everybody do you know the name of? I don't know her. Her round over name. The name of her farm. I'd be able to find on search. Her husband's a spiritual spiritual person. Yeah, so that's off. Yeah. You know, the thing about it is, if we just ask somebody to do a survey and stuff, a lot a faculty will just don't want to give out their information, but it would be so wonderful to be able to say this is how many farms that we have and you know it's great to brag on it but anything. Yeah that's hard this is hard to read but these are some of the visual documents one of the things I'm gonna ask them to do is to make sure that we are generating visuals that mean something. Because people look at that and they don't know what they're looking at. So I want to make sure that we are... If I can look at the data and I look at a map, I can understand what both are saying to me. Because the brand-ons are so close, it's really hard to see. It is. I'm right. And is this from 2022 as well? Yes, Department of Ag, 2024 and Summit's own research this year. What they're doing is they're just pulling GIS maps. And all of these maps you can find through extension. I think Virginia Tech has got a new GIS feature where you can flood all of this and you can see you can get everything to down to the minute amount of detail to where you will know how fertile the soil is. Yeah, they have light art for those days. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. It would be interesting to show the difference between our county and surrounding counties in terms of like a pie chart that shows the percentage of ours in the situation. So a market comparison. Right. That says we are in some ways saying we're more moral. Right. Or we have to say we, but here's the thing. We wanted Bragg on what we wanted Bragg on. Right. Just saying. Well, it's the narrative. Right. Let me look at all that. I mean, that's amazing. And I think we could find plenty to Bragg on the building. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, all the farms on 600. In fact, on that matter. All right. I know that's all listed. All the 600 is all the farms. Okay. So you've seen this. Now, this is one of the maps that I want them to make sure that they're updating, because, You know know you've got the regional broiler inventory that has to have changed. Yes. Oh, I'll change the answer. But I find it interesting that the Eastern Shore has one of the largest. Oh yeah, because the, this Purdue processing plan on the Eastern Shore. Yeah, I got to have a hard time. I would never have guessed that. Oh yeah, I probably would have. And it's time that part from K-TRAWS. I mean. The process of that plan. That's not true. There you go. You can see the one up near Harrisonburg as well. And then you look at our region, Buckingham, and the same comoral and amyoya and not away. You know, we were the heavy producers in Central Park and State. So, just some takeaways of what they found those far, strong ag economy. But they are seeing that we're going to have to have more of a structured collaboration. Everybody's kind of off working on their own, but if we can do people working together, it's going to benefit everybody, strengthen their resiliency. There's no silver bullet that's going to fix everything. So we're going to have to work on best practices. And what they're going to do do next as well as interview the ag group. They're also going to look at other rural jurisdictions in Virginia and across the country that are similar to Cumberland. So for example, if you were to pick a county in Virginia that's more or less a sister county of Cumberland, it would be Surrey. So you look at Surrey, how did they, have they done anything like this? Do they have any case studies that are out there that some it can lean on to show a best practice that worked and then bake that into a recommendation for the point? So that's one of the things that they're gonna do next. Again, next steps, ag focus group, June 3rd. I'm going to go back to them, we'll speak back on their data analysis, and then they're going to work on drafting recommendations for the EDAM new business task force to discuss. Is that? June 3rd, is that something we could go on? This and too? Sure, absolutely. Okay. And I can get the time and locations as well. Hey, now that will be recording, that will be.. No, some will report it to my slightly. Okay, so any of us could get an email with that? Probably. Okay, but if you'll break that down, I would love to. Because I just said, you know I'm going to be visiting that guy. But then the week is. Do you enjoy it? Do you enjoy it? The day is a Wednesday. major pull-up ball with this. I like what they're doing. But one thing they left that is barcaded. I mean they completely missed it. I love that. I think that's super important. Forrestry is that it is. So it's calling it out. Yes. You look at probably the second or third largest employers in the county or all barstree. We have a two wood processing facilities on each end of the county. We have a two wood processing facilities on each end of the county. We have multiple large outfits that are forestry related. We have 16,000 acres in the state forest that is retirement funds in state of Virginia when they harvest it. So it's always going to be something as part of this county. And they've done, I've when we were here and they've they gave us a chat GPT egg one so they're missed the mark on that in my opinion so they really need to go back and dial in some forestry and they need to be talking to the people in forestry and wood prices so those are things that I really like to see some progress on because that's a huge employer in the county. It's huge folks. And that needs to be part of our strategic plan because that is, I mean like I said, I think it's one of the layering emission. I mean I think the second or third largest employer in our county has a forestry outfit. Right. So that's not the reason we need to consider it. Consider the ancillary businesses of that, which we eat trucking, infrastructure, for example, Napa supplies, all that, draw lines, they do all the work, they do all the diesel work, there's tons of diesel technicians, they've got a fuel, they've got a fire straw, they've got a sea, they've buy stuff from local stores, they support the local economy in so many different ways. And for them not to be represented at least 50-50 persons of traditional ag is that we're really leaving that on the table. That sounds good. That sounds good. Those people are bad. Okay. So that's guys, that's what we're doing this. Yeah. Because we've got to catch things that... you're right huge um anything else on that note just far history uh just I I was very very uh adamant about that when they were here and they seem to have made a like you said a baby you were to glaring a mission on that that they I love that I think that's a definitely coarse gun of our combat. Yeah, we got to have it all, but if we look at what we have or surprise that it wasn't brought up in. We have a large, but I mean, for example, we got a lumber yard in Converland with the ozzles. You know, we have a big pole, a post-making facility with the pepper and pepper, you know, with the porer. On that into the county, you have a lot of small outfits that are doing logging within the county. You have some more job fits, you know. What about the new facility? Well, and that's also something that, yeah, we've tagged into that. We have a lot of future stuff that we need to be keen on making sure forestry is in our plant. So that would be something that they would express my satisfaction with them leaving that out. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So I'll take care of it. As far as recommendations, as I mentioned earlier recommendations will follow along partnership. I'll take care of it. As far as recommendations, as I mentioned earlier, recommendations will follow along partnerships and regional opportunities, planning and donating marketing strategies, best practices, and then targeting businesses. So at the end of the day, I hope to have an actionable plan that we can follow and help guide the new business taskwomen along the way. So signing stuff other than the fact that they left out for sure. Yes. that we could follow and help guide the new business task force all the way. So signing stuff other than the fact that they left out for a short. Yes, well, I'm a textor right now. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, like hey, I'm just going to send tree emojis. Yeah. Like, did you drive a tree emojis and change all? Did they drive from Richmond? Huh? Oh, yeah. like, did you drive past it every day and not think about bar history? Planners. Yeah, like, your driving past trees and trees and trees and more trees. You know, you really know it. Yeah, so we've got a lot of that. Plus, state bars. And that's something to the state of Virginia is, you know, invested in as well. So I think that's important. Exactly. Okay. Anything else from the group? Cool. I just want to move on to the beat. All right. Just a quick update on the grocery store. The renovation permitting is complete. All the permits have been appropriately pulled for the space across the street. And they're currently performing renovations. They've given an idea. They've pulled out all the ceiling grid. They've cleaned the walls, the floors. They took down some T111 sightings. There's all windows along the front. They're gonna be adding a restroom to the rear of the building, three restrooms. Gonna be expanding the parking lot to the rear of the building, three restrooms. I'm going to be expanding the parking lot to the rear of the building. There's actually an old asphalt pad that's been grown through and grown over back there. They're going to put in all new ceiling tiles, lighting, display cases, and coolers. So as part of this process, I've been working with the vendor on some coordinating some grant opportunities, because I think it's that the county tries to help but also stay out of the way. So, you know, with the need of a grocery store, the grant opportunities will help sustain the business as they get started. And we've been working with Tom Garrett's office and the tobacco commission, Governor's office, and VDACs, and Cooler's alone, I think it's $170,000 worth of equipment. Then you got tables and slicers. I mean, it's a lot. It's a lot of work that's going to go into this, into making the secretary's store. You've got to build all your display cases. I mean, it's very costly So there's still haven't for a fall 2025 open. Oh, it's great. So we'll see. We just want to give you an update where they were. They are going to be renovating the apartment upstairs as well. They'll be painting the building, adding some windows, things like that. It's going to be nice. It would be so great for the courthouse area to. And one other thing since we're on the topic, and we were talking about food deserts earlier, the planning commission did here at K. Slasnike for another dollar general market for the county. And that would be located at the intersection of Blenheim and 60. So and it would be a dollar general market, it wouldn't be a regular dollar general. It would be like this. So where is it at? Right there, the corner of Blenheim in the creek, literally. If they're literally shoving it in, right there on the corner. Yeah, it's crazy. With that little shack is back in the wood to any gopats plent on. Yeah. Yeah, right there. What's the facing plent on? How far is that from here? Six miles. Six and miles? Yeah. Almost right to count on. It's like right the line. So, and there's nothing between 522 and they are really, that's... Last bill. So is, is not past, far past, front store? No. Is past one store? It's just past Jack Cards. Like right when you're at the bottom of the hill. Almost right across from the, come on inside. But in between the houses. There. And this, have they started clearing that space? No, it hasn haven't approved yet. Okay. They're resounding it right now It's not done perfectly for these Well, I mean it's still a Opportunity I'm not saying it's You know it's jobs. It's right. It's not food line or something like that, but this is we got something at least There's text over there. Yeah. So I think it's great. So, yeah. I agree it's not the greatest location. They put it across the street out of the bed. Yeah. But, yeah. I don't know. I think there's, I think Powhatan County kicked it out to us on our stand, but I don't know how to suppose. I figured with the slide that's own right over the border, that that would be the spot for it, but obviously, Powhatan declined it. Because what I would think is possible. Because I mean, the old sewer right there, that's probably already zone for that, since it's never been being residential. I don't think. Right on the other side. Gotcha. Yeah. OK, so. Any questions on that? All right, the next item is the Luther P. Jackson Committee discussion. This was established by the board as an ad hoc committee through the EDA to serve in a very similar capacity as the new business task force. Would provide guidance and feedback on facility development, programming and operations. Committee would include several staff members including two board supervisor members which is Mrs. Tyree and Mr. Stimson and they they have initially set this up to include five at-large members appointed by the EDA and I had Mrs. Tyree and Mr. Stimson review the applications they made a recommendation for Mr. Spears, Mr. Year, Mr. Petty, Mr. Johnson, and Ms. Thomas. And primarily it was related to, do they own property in the county or the residents, what type of background should they bring to the table to help advise the committee as we move forward. So I just need to know what the EDA's pleasure is at this point. And what they're going to do to the board? What is going to be useful? So the area is a great segue, Margaret. The committee's focus would be on historical interpretation of the facility and really when we talk about the historical piece it's that school house there on the corner. It's in need of a lot of work. We're going to save it. It's been added on to a bunch of times and it's not historically accurate. So we would focus on grants and opportunities to fund historical interpretation of that school building and also portions of this school building as well. It's coming to the Motor Museum? A smaller version. Right, that's a smaller version. However, in the older school, yes, they're on the corner. Yes. But this building here, you've got to full audit to worry them. Now, it's got problems, it's got to's got asbestos and these work but I could see this being a thriving community facility. I mean you could have all types of activities and rentals what have you in this building but I think the focus would be on coming up with a work plan and a mission statement goals and objectives and identifying what this building is going to be used for, what it's going to look like, and then how do you integrate the history with operations. Because what you want to do, and when you bring historical buildings back to life and you reintroduce them to the community that they're in, you want to be able to function from an operational standpoint but you also want to make sure that you're telling the story not only with the birds in the world but with the people that went there and the way to do that is through historical interpretations, its photos, its earbooks, its programs. Its incorporating, like I said, the old ear books you can find logos that they use and you can place those throughout the building, name the rooms after certain people. I mean, there's all kinds of things that you can do. You can have a gift shop. I mean, not that that has room for, but I'm just saying it. I mean, we can even hold our meetings there. Yeah, professional building. Yeah, it's an EDA facility. The EDA owns this. So that's one of the other reasons that the committee's following under the EDA is because A, it makes it this group eligible for additional grants like with the AFA and infrastructure grant money that we got to help make improvements to the gym That wouldn't have been possible without that And also it's owned by the E-A, so it makes sense to Al's here. I think the audience learned a lot on this gold and Opportunity. I mean I love to see plays and stuff like that. Okay all the churches could have fundraiser there and have you know events, music, etc etc etc. They could be up. They could rent it for this. For these things. Well I mean it's part of when we talk about work plan and mission goals objectives and a business plan for this facility you'd want it to be recovering cost. Right. This is going to cost money to maintain an album. There's not really a whole lot there. Oh, I'm telling you that when you can rent a space that big. If you rent space, if you run programs and you can actually sell, you might be able to sell naming rights to the theater. There's all kinds of things that you can do to generate revenue to help offset the cost. So, yeah. That being said, the goal of this evening is to name the five out large members so that we can start to get the work. Do we have to make a motion on that or we just make recommendations to support? No, you got the point. Okay. Are we appointing them tonight? That's the preference. So, it looks like this is going to be designated a historical site where maybe it already is. Would that prevent renting it out spaces? No, sir. Re-cooking. Money? No, sir. I mean, that easy. Yeah, I mean it's the historical designation actually helps you So it's one of the first things we would try to do is get the historical designation in place and then that opens the door for even more green opportunities Hey and more interest People are very interested in historical places Yeah, yes people more to see when they come here, board to do. Well, as there's some objection, I move we accept the recommendation from the board and the point, the fab individuals that they've recommended. Second. Paul Davis. Hi. Hi. Yeah, hi. That sounds good. You got some out to you. You got some out to you. You got some out to you. You got some out to you. You got some out to you. You got some out to you. You got some out to you. You got some out to you. You got some out to you. You got some out to you. You got some folks on there that have a lot of experience, steal, and what type of things and those type of organizations. So I hope that some of those individuals, even though they may not live in a county, could really be a benefit to show, you know, ways to make that so that it works very well. But you know, it would deliver to that, and the opportunities of networking, they could go along with that as well. And if you want to see it, you got two examples locally that you can see. Obviously, you have the Motor Museum, but if you go to the Central High School, Wendouche and the Optometallion, very, very similar to the one. Sorry. Almost identical. A little different layout of the building, but we were able to actually renovate that space for about $700,000. for thirty five000 square feet. Now that was eight years ago. Yeah, but they were creative ways to renovate old spaces without breaking the bank. Well, and you can build the building for that. No. You're better off the best thing than what you got. That square footed nowadays, as we've learned from the courthouse, the first square footed is, it reaches. Yes, so. And And they don't build them like that. And they don't build them? Yeah, that's work. That's brick. Senator Block and brick. Put the fallout shelter in the fallout. Yeah. But I mean, as long as you don't tell, the main thing is the asbestos. If you don't touch it, and it's not friable, You can renovate a space and just encapsulate it. Exactly. You don't have to tear it out. That jacks up your costs. Taken that out. Yeah, abatement is expensive. But I mean, as long as you're not tearing down load bearing walls and you're using the footprint you have, you can renovate that space and make it something pretty cool. But it needs to help pay for itself. So, great. All right. All right. I think it was family, period update. This was a whole lot in, right? Put it in, we have a public comment. Old business This would fall I do have some for old business And I don't know for other project we were discussing some of Survey Kind of that would be I know we were talking about yes,, you know, I guess I can talk about it from a 30,000 to the previous one. Because I know, I know Tiana doesn't like high level. He's really going to pick on you today. Oh, she gives it, don't worry. Um, the, uh, the shell building situation that I'm hoping to have that to a resolution in the next three to four weeks. We are going to have to survey, do a new boundary survey, and a subdivision survey for that plaque, for that whole complex. And it's expensive. I don't want to spend the money if I don't know for sure that we're going to have a contract because they offset one another. So I want to wait and make sure that he's good to go with his financing. Do we have a deliverable data on that or is it kind of a... It's right now it's kind of played by a year. I'm going to call them the last week and A Alright, in the first week of Jan and say do it, red light or green light. Alright. That's simple. Alright, it's kind of played by ear. I'm gonna call them the last week of May. All right in the first week of June and say do it red light or green light That's simple. All right. It's just yoke. Yes, why that project? Oh great so Not everything for all business was we talked about establishing some type of financial arm of the PDA. Now that's like I said long term but I do want to keep bringing that up as far as some to do. I don't think we have anything that we can do as it sits on but I just want something I know we have to point treasure or get a charter. Yeah, I can go ahead and work on that. Let me get through the next couple of weeks. Yep. Two to three weeks. And what we may do is even add that as an action item to our plan. So what that financial arm looks like? Yes, whether I guess through line item or, and then also, you know, I know that we have two entities with the EDA and the idea and how those all operate in a defined... Yeah, how do we streamline this? You know, because we have the water thing that was done a while ago from what I understand and everything is IDA, my correct, with that. It's IDA. This industrial development authority. And then we have a technological development authority. The language there, somehow in past was harvested and was set up. By the way, so it um we have the IDA which demonstrates the order from Parable as what I understand now. I haven't had an IDA meeting since I've been here. Yeah, so I don't I think we are the IDA. I think you are. I just would like to know what your what our player formation is and make sure that we're right and tight on our definitions and and what we're because water maybe something that comes up in the future and I want to make sure that we uh above what we didn't get water down 45 or well we know we have water here in the courthouse we have have sewer down 45. Right. Sewer down 45 excuse me, but I think sewer is part of the I don't know that's it's all water sewer wrapped up in the We never talked about getting water as well. No, we have we we are permitted to utilize much more water than what we are and in fact at this point the the general fund of the county is subsidizing our water and sewer infrastructure. So there's a transfer that has to take place as part of the budget process from the general fund to the water and sewer fund because it's not self-sustaining. Typically you want a bunch of those to be self-sustaining. That being said about, which is school building. That being said, there's two ways to cover costs. So raise rates or to add customers. The rates right now, you would have to double the rates to even come close, because we did a rate study a couple of years ago. The only thing we can do is add customers. So we have the capacity, we just need to add customers. And so that means getting the water to them. We have the infrastructure in place. And choosing to stick with their well. If they stick with their well, they have to pay a fee every month, even if they're not connected. It's like $39 a month. Yeah, I would like for example the used to be a farmer's market on 60 for the franches have and they I think they have to pay up to pay up to pay up to pay up to pay up to pay for that connection. It's a connection fee if even if you're not using it. On, yeah just because future opportunities may lead us down that path, I want to make sure that we're you have our ducks in our own or we're being proactive because at some point we water may become something that we need to make sure that we have. They have to move the water they say. Yeah, yeah, so that's something that I want to make sure that we have a, we've got a really good board, so I want to make sure we have a good grass boner, hard plant. I like to understand that all better. Yeah, and then the financial level. We can certainly bring something to you all. And just when we look, when I go through the process of evaluating this, and provide clarification definitions, we'll definition definitions. So definitions. This is bad. It's been a long day. It's been a tough time. Usually I get better, actually better than anything. We can come up and do like a breakdown of how this works because there's debt that we have associated with this as well that we're paying on. And where is it available at in the county? I can show you all that online. Right. But typically in the courthouse, it's It's it's so it doesn't get the water doesn't go towards farm fill. Mm-hmm. Just the sewer. Mm-hmm. Okay. But do you think that will ever happen? Well, whatever. What is that? Would ever get the water? I mean it would be something that we could do. You would have to borrow money to do that. Would you be? You'd have to have to financial model. If it was a part of the plan, you could have hookups. And then put the infrastructure in, for example, like if a business requires a certain amount of water, then you would want to have that available. You wouldn't really do the fourth thought. You would have to, same example that we ran into the problem. But I've learned over the last five years that the problem with the shell building, it was built in a place with no water and a three phase. So if you wanted to look strategically, which I think would be all we need to do is look in strategically in places where water, electricity and all these items are in infrastructure and paint, rose and people are those would be areas that we would want to make sure that we would want to set some parameters and make sure that we are looking at those in the right mindsets. And you have to be real careful too when you start borrowing and putting in water and sewer infrastructure. If you are off on your projections, don't hit your projections, you can bankrupt the county. Yeah. It almost happened right across the river. Yeah. 13% annual growth is not something that is feasible and they've been paying for 30 years. So, yeah. So, I'll send it away. No, it's too very tricky. But if I want to want you to increase your rate, if you're going to borrow money to put in an income broker, you're not going to get away with... Nope. That's the first thing they're going to look at is your ability to repay. 100%. Oh yeah. Even if it's through the USDA or what add you. So. Okay. Cool. any other old business? All right, this is on the do business. Any do business? Happy to meet you. I'd like to be a part of the BDB, the website I had a somebody reach out to me and they want to list their properties perfect on BDB and I was that kind of left me into a stem of a, that we should probably have our stuff listed to and we don't have everything listed. I know we have the Honda BDEP website. So what would be the channels that I would need to reach out to? It's funny. It's funny you should ask. I just had a conversation with BDEP yesterday about website and how we can get our properties listed. And then we can just provide a link from our website once we get it up and running. Yep. and you that contact them So if that's something you'd like to do. Yeah, I would. So is that property that the county has for sale? No, so you think you can be property. You can list any properties. But it could be the county's as well. They wanted to sell something. Yeah, but if you own a property and you're looking to develop it commercially, if you've on a side analysis, that's what they're going to want. So if you had a prospective property that was looking for any type of business, you could listen on there, then that would be where a company would, you know, a large multinational company, they would look on that website and say, well, what properties, they'd like the same thing we were talking about water. Okay, what is it? Virginia Economic Development Partition. Okay, so what's the name of the company? Yeah, PDP has a agenda department. Okay, what is it? Virginia Economic Development Partnership. Yeah. Yeah, but they have a, then we have our, our, our, our, our shell building listed, but like the seven acres, towards farm, or farm,'s not listed, as well as opportunities to reach out to landowners that do want to do it. Because that was kind of the conversation that I had with that one in particular, is they were close to another large solar project, and they were looking for, you know, that solar project is kind of spoken for and they were saying, well, there's other things that come along with it, how do you get it out there to people? They are soliciting you or you could solicit them. Is there a cost of video game? No. I have something in your cost. Yeah Not that I'm aware I can send you all the contact info. Yeah, I'd like to just because of that. And then I could afford it to... I could afford it to my person. For example, like, you know, any type of cannery was looking for a place. And we had water and electricity and all that other stuff and in one spot and they had land as somebody wanted to do from home and sell. You know that would be somewhere I'd put you know what I mean. So I don't want to call you out of the ordinary. Not a county. I'm talking to you now like say Del Monte wanted to come in and find out what was in the chicle with whatever you know. Gotcha. Say like the Ramonoodle factory was looking to move out of the, yes. of, you know, out of South Africa, you know, in the beginning, they looked at us and they said, wow, you know, you're located an hour from everywhere and you're out 60 in the middle and we're going to make Purch and Romanoodles and come on the campy now. And the whole leg of the thing is what spurred me onto that because leg of it is huge. And then now they're going to have a huge distribution facility. Chesterfield so let's a look I mean wow thoughts there huge. I mean, and then now they're gonna have a huge distribution facility. Yeah, a chest or a field, man. So, I mean, while the thoughts are there, but like, say, like, oh, we need a more storage. Like, why would we not be listed there? If they want to put up a shelf building and store layouts in it. So it could be land, buildings, area of that. Yeah, land? Like if you just had raw property, you could list it on there and make it a bit raw. It's not someone's house. No. No. This is all commercial. Raw land. Yeah. Yeah, land like if you just had raw property. Yeah, you could list it on there and make it a bit It's not someone's house. No, this is all commercial raw land. Yeah, or with the building Yeah, it's like plan so like if you had a property with you know buildings and you had property with Water hookups and you had facilities there that you know with Committing different businesses. You could list your property on there and then make that more visible so that more. So that you know so if there was if there was yeah exactly so you know you kind of pick and I want to put it down there so yeah it's I'm going to be getting that information yeah I think it would be good. That would'll figure that out. That would be a fall I picked up because somebody actually said like, hey, I want to know what else in the middle. So cool. Cool. And no business? Motion to adjourn. Birdweed adjourned in July 15th at 6.30 p.m. Sure. All the baby? Aye. Okay. And then, 7.3, and a good time. I know.