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So this Saturday we have the run for the schools that's at B.A.M. and Sunday afternoon there's the welcome false church and that's a three o'clock at the Strauss Park. And I asked just quickly how our team we just normally meet at the corner nearby the council's hand would you just find each other on a more-naked area? But it's in there. Oh yeah, would you just find each other on a warm up area? What is in there? In the, in the, in the, Oh, you know, just work over there. We're not that, but yes, sir. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. Okay. Thank you all for registering. Apparently schoolers not running at all. So we invite ballsturch. Yeah. Can you tell me when they welcoming ballstarch thing is again? I'm sorry that I identify it as your grounds on Saturday. Sunday day. I think we have it, but I'm just the evening general. So I'm going to invite the mood artist from the festival, which is also Saturday. So it's going to start at noon to four. I think yes. You can make it means all of the way to the festival between that. That's a fairly long. Yeah, I asked. And what would be your best example when I know? If you would want to know. Is there a ceremony? Yeah. It's not like a New Year's ceremony. It's like a full day festival. So they should have a lot of fun. There's activities going on. I understand. Are we doing sort of meet the council thing at the Pulse Research Festival? doing sort of meet the council thing at the Pulse Ridge festival like we've had in the past. I just wanted to show up at a table. Yeah, we have a plan. It's just that closing ceremony. I think that's the best. Like could you repeat more to the answer again? I'm sorry. The closing ceremony for the 75th is at what 1015? Right. Right. Yeah. So that's basically that's it. We're not doing anything. the closing ceremony for the 75th is at what 1015? Right, right. Yeah, so that's basically, that's it. We're not doing anything. That's it. I just wanted to come. Yeah. Much. Sorry, I know. I've got, there's so many things going on. Yeah. So basically, and over you. Thank you. The September 16th work session then meeting with County Dudley and the greeting of Lincoln update for council and there are some points of decision that I think staff would like to settle to get everybody on board, but we think we've got good recommendations for this project. We are also with all the public input in a financial situation where the cost of the project is a success of the budget. So we're working through that as well, or on that, Some options for closing that gap. The criminal justice board, just a review of that resolution, and then discussion on Virginia Village and envisioning two parts of it. One is just a community briefing and those things would be an open session and then the discussion about land acquisition and their points of identification that I think are important for preserving the cities. I think it's a good thing that you're ultimately now at Wesley's and I think it's a good thing that it is public dollars that they're behind it. So that's the plan for the work session on the 16th. We have the Board of Commission recognition picnic at 6th on Tuesday, the following week and then on Thursday at men, the employee picnic. We were just again, how long did that picnic knit? Then to the camp. There's a discussion before this meeting. I think about budget by night's committee on September 20. Is there any change to that or keeping that? No, I mentioned doing individual needs back fiscal. Right. But because we're not discussing fiscal policies at this meeting, there's no urgency to do it. I don't know. Yeah. For next week, but we will do it in the first two weeks of my October thinking cuts. Okay. So then in the what we're planning is the Dying List City managers report, we would have the year-end financial report that Kieran would deliver, and that would be the information that would have been discussed in budget finance committee for our day. The Bike Master Plan. that Friday. The bike master plan, in our review of the bike master plan, it is our view that procedurally this plan should fall within the comprehensive plan and that's not the process that we followed to date and it's not the process we followed in prior bite-and-to-planse. Going forward, we think it would be best sort of under our authorities of confidence in planning to do it that way. That does affect schedule. One of the mandatory things for a conflite of maintenance that has to get a V dot for its review. It takes about 100 days. So that's disruptive and to acknowledge that. And I'm happy to have a council discussion about that. It is a change for us. We've done our small area plans and many other plans sort of standing on their own two feet and I think kind of what we reviewed our authorities under state law but thank you really should be nested under the conference plan under authorities that come with that. The risk is that you know B dot awards grants based on your conflite and so it's strong your other plan is you know it's strong, your other plan is, you know, it's sort of facing the conflaner. If there are, you know, practically is that we'll be looking at December or early January adoption of the bike master plan. Thinking on it would be, we would be pencils down. We would not be working one of any more. We wouldn't be really soliciting more input on it. We'd be doing a mandatory review, we'd be dire, and that would come back. And we've paid for final steps on the complex. Would that mean that we couldn't continue work on the gaps of schools and other streets? We would and that big point of discussion will be with this budget amendment, where we'll be providing options to the council have fun to save up to school option. Okay. So we would proceed with that. So it wouldn't delay. Besides just adopting the bank transfer plan, doesn't it point by, I guess, moving forward, which wraps the school, etc. That's right. I'm sorry. I might view of it. And we're still kind of processing this from a staff level but I think we would it would not impact critical effects. Well, I think it's just kind of like an a dead dump or an attachment to the comp plan or it's getting embedded back in one of the chapters like is it getting embedded in like the transportation factor? That's right. It would be a development of the mobility for all men's and check it out. Could I just offer and maybe you can do it as a appendix, but I kind of like a plan where there's more flexibility, the ability to move, the ability to recognize things and when it goes into the common plan, it becomes pretty rigid because there's a process for changing it that's different. So I don't know. I sort of have mixed feelings. I like, for example, like the secondary list, I think would you more flexibility than you've had with a comp plan? And the ability to adjust to changing circumstances, where's the money, how much of this can we do, how do we prioritize it? As I mean, there's a general community, I mean, I'm more than willing to discuss it with CACT and I think the census is moving forward. So I don't know, I kind of feel like, you know, whether we attach it to the complaint in the future is a later discussion, but I kind of like the flexibility of the current approach. Do you know what a mobility problem with tractor already like incorporates my reference to the blake master plan, but it wouldn't need to actually nest it as you're saying in the comp plan in a more formal way. I mean, just some change that could sit or talk more about internal. So I'm going off memory. What I think the comp plan says is we should, you know, regularly update the, uh, bike master plan as a strategic objective. And, uh, I think that's kind of the way the, the conference plan is generally very kind of, um, I think it does typically have flexibility. And then usually every objective in the comp plan says this is subject to appropriation. These are concepts that are putting out to help guide future decisions, but those future decisions are, you know, how things can be implemented. And that language would remain. The thing that we're running up against is, and we want to do this more rigorously with everything that comes for the council and everything that we do. Everything that we do is authorized by state law. There's nothing that we do that isn't authorized by state law. And so you should always reference that state law. And then from there, that determines what your process is. And we've done that in the past. And I think we've come to the conclusion that this could be outside of the offensive plan. But in looking at it again and for us we think kind of the most solid place for it and the appropriate place for it is within the conference plan based on their state authority. Okay, I can pass that I thought it was part of the conference plan. It doesn't make sense to have a plan here to plan here to plan here. They should all be part of the plan. So I'm kind of surprised. Because I share some of Dave's concerns about like time, everything to the compliment because the long late times and the lack of flexibility. And I guess I'm curious taking us back how much of this in the business research is a legal risk. We've been doing it this way for a while, and we've successfully been able to get grants. Is this really a problem? Do we have the ability to reference it in the comp plan, and when we apply for grants, say it's reference in the comp authority for the bike master plan in the bike master plan as opposed to Yeah, we want to move the end of the staff reports where thinking we will have a new section and every item that comes for the council authorities So that's clear as We do that now, but it's less formal and they said there so you can sometimes have some things that are a little bit grayer than they really probably on a day. What's the, what are the odds that BDoS is gonna say no, we don't like your plan, and you have to redo it. Can we do it on the 23rd say, we're approving it, referring it to me, God. And then I'm sorry, 100 days, it's going to be approved. I can take that to stand and discuss that option sort of a hybrid. We feel like we're greatest risk with Vidas. They're going to ask for a whole bunch of studies and analysis that we don't have that. I think it's one possibility. I don't think they're going to object to the concept. Just be a panic. So. I like the idea of referencing it in the comp plan. And maybe some very broad things, but I also like the ability to be more flexible and to move based upon the information that we gathered here on some other citizens. So is there a hybrid approach like that? And can we move forward? I guess the fundamental question is, are you questioning whether we can move forward with a bicycle master plan as a matter of law? And so that, that, that, the season where Trump won, that made it a lot better. It almost determines the issue. And if that's the little opinion that we can't move forward, it has to go into the comp plan. If there's flexibility, then you, you try a hybrid approach that is something about by master plan in the comp plan but the ability could do the details of the flux with the money that we have available on changing priorities and things like that. We ought to have that ability to be flexible. You just don't have that in the order to be flushing. You just don't have that in the compliment. I think Rita, I don't know whether Sally wants to speak up to on an air conversation. I think the city of attorneys, you know, she were asked on the day, yes, you know, the legalities she would say that this should be in the conference of plan. But that's good. Yeah, and I can, I can and I can speak to that just a little bit more. It's what does and doesn't belong in the comp plan is there's probably some discretion. However, the policies of where public facilities will be located is most definitely a comprehensive plan component. And so bicycle facilities being such facilities and being expressly required to be part of your transportation plan. At least some elements of the bicycle master plan has to be in the comp plan. The comprehensive plan is a guide and it's not supposed to include things that are so specific that they you know that they they trip you up as you try to implement it. And so I haven't examined the bike plan to see whether we could divide it so that the policy elements go to the or incorporated by reference into the comp plan and maybe there's a more specific implementation section that is not part of the comp plan. But but right now the bike plan as a whole has components that do belong in the comp plan. the bite plan as a whole has components that do belong in the comp plans. So our thing is we keep the public hearing for September 23rd spent advertised. And we could discuss this process. What I'm envisioning is that we could say, you know, the we plan to begin implementation while VDOT is conducting its mandatory review and while we then set up the proper advertising for this to be thought at the conference at the end. But in the meantime, we will take this as direction for budgeting for existing and planning. So the thanks stay on. If VDOT says we don't agree, then you've got a retroactive problem. You said the money you did the project and that. I would be interested. City attorney, if we could have a little more specific guidance on the question that I think you mentioned, you'd like to do more work on. Yeah, we can, I can certainly look at that with our planning staff and see if there's a way to carve it into two pieces. That does seem to add more labor to the process, so I would just flag that as a issue, but that might be possible. How are you, Rhonda? Yeah, thank you. I'm sorry, I can't be up there in person. I'm still I am cooling down from my bike ride this morning. So I didn't want to be in the room with everybody else. The so I think there are benefits to consolidating all of these documents within the comprehensive plan. I do know it's a change of pace from what we've done historically, but I think it does reinforce this idea sort of a one city approach that there's one vision that everyone is collectively working on to deliver. So I think thinking about it may be sort of beyond the immediate steps. I think there's a benefit to things being collected within the comprehensive plan, looking at how our surrounding jurisdictions do things. When you go to their web pages, it's very clear that all these, this sort of constellation of plans is within their comp plan. As I said historically, the reason we haven't gone this route is, is for the flexibility that's been mentioned in the conversation. We do have some, some standard language being included in our complaint chapters around flexibility as why I mentioned subjects to budgeting and sort of future conditions and we'll certainly include that in the bike plan. In terms of risk is V.O. Last time we did send mobility for all modes to V.O. And that was even 10 years ago and I thought their comments were progressive and supportive of the vision overall. So we would obviously work with them at the staff level to to get to that get to a similar outcome this time around and I know that they have, you know, a series of pedestrian bicycle planners on their staff that we would obviously want to connect with before sending them anything. Just in terms of timing, we do need, I would say that it would be nice for me anyway to have an answer. We're posting the Planning Commission packet for next week today and compliance chapters do require a recommendation from the Planning Commission. So if we are depending on which route we're going to go, I'd like to have that certainty so that I know how to post the planning commission packet. So that we don't miss the two weeks, like planning commission, could they be prepared to make a recommendation so that we continue with that path. Paul Sally wraps up the next day or two. Well, I just need to be clear that I don't need more time to decide the legality of whether it belongs in the comp plan or not. As well, at least I will say there are significant components that have to be in the comp plan and can't be outside the comp plan. And so the question I was trying to answer is can you know in terms of maximizing flexibility is there are there parts that are more rigid in the plan that we could carve out and separate somehow? That I don't know, but I know for a fact that the bike's master plan where the facilities are located, that needs to be part of our conference plan. Okay, so rephrasing, all is a planning mission prepared tomorrow night to make a recommendation that this go to V.dot as part of your staff report so we don't miss that window. Well, they don't show so submitting the plan to V.dot is administrative item. So staff and we did this last time staff would proceed with that step without sort of a need for either sort of a concurrence or a formal action. And typically that would be done with future updates. We would just build that in. So probably around the time we send a first draft to the community or to the council or whatever the right stakeholder group is, we would probably route these things to be out at that time so that any comments that they do have would be folded in, right? This isn't, this process with V.Dot isn't that the community has to decide what it wants and then submit it to V.Dot for their acceptance. It is a review and a comment period by V.Dot so we would just loop them in to the review process and we would typically do that as an administrative sort of action. Okay, given Dave's comments about, you know, what can do, what often more flexibility? Could we, even that we have eight minutes left in this meeting, could we talk on Monday after the work session with the staff recommendations? It would make sense. I'm also sensitive to not putting a bunch of work also in planners to go through the vice-minister and pull out components because that reduced the entire plan. That reduced the entire plan. So that's about saying acting to you. Yeah, I think we should keep it all together and do it kind of one way. And that's going in the comp plan direction. The hybrid that I'm thinking about is whether the council could also signal we expect that these priorities should be part of the budget amendment discussion so that we can move forward. That's what I mean by hybrid is sort of taking some advanced steps even if this doesn't get formally adopted until that December January top right. anywhere you talk about. Breaking it into two chunks and adopting it in two ways that can a seems not good. It's complicated and confused. Okay. Okay, well I do acknowledge that this is disruptive and this is a really important initiative. I acknowledge that and I and go forward. Can I say some more questions? So, are there other plans that we now need to forward to be about? That the purpose is not in the light. Well, this is the big transportation one that's going right now. The other one that is subject to the similar discussion is the forward-liven policy. So, that's the other one. We can build right into it. Getting with staff to talk about what does that look like as a compliment? We need to do any retro-loving. We'll check pass lights all the smaller, area plans, sidewalk head plans. This will be too many plans. Right. My view is that let's do it going forward. And we talked about having like an omnibus and list all of our plans, say we are now waving to Juan and saying these are all complimented. And that's to me that is also potentially confusing and could cause problems. Or start getting some of the central issues. I shouldn't follow it. So, I would, my thinking is right now, let's go forward and do this procedurely this way. That'd be really clear. But the last ones from a risk analysis, I don't feel a strong sense of risk. Sally may disagree, but my current read is that for our past plans, we'd be okay. It's very, probably better if they were compliant, but I think that's my thinking, right? Sorry, going back one step. When we do the year-end financial work forward, I don't know where it's going to be, but can you do it then work for summary page and any risk, okay, both funds and action. Okay. Thank you. So as we do this analysis going forward, for instance, for the financial policy, we're going to do a review. What's our authority on these financial policies? We always need these as best practices that are recommended by the Virginia Government Finance Officers Association. But where is that authority under state law line to adopt these policies? We'll make sure that that review is greater. It's complete in the end. 20. It comes to you. All right. So that is our works. That's our September 23rd meeting. The commercial parking update, just one other kind of procedural thing where we've been working with the planning commission. Their meeting, we have a forum of this on the commercial parking for their recommendation at the last meeting. Their next meeting is on Russia-Shanas, so that means it's gonna be canceled. The bottom line is commercial parking is not going to get through the planning commission until October. So we're going to reschedule this for October 28th. So procedurally for the public hearing and just for advertising purposes. Can we hold the public hearing and keep it open until the 28th? That's what we would recommend is keep it on and then have a just that close it and cancel you in at which okay. All right, September 25th. That's the meeting with the VML and 7PM at Godfrees. If you have an RSVP, then RSVP requests. No, I'm going to get ahead count. Sorry for since Debby's on, I think, but September 35th, that GoVox committee, that's one that's coming off. So do you have a sense between October 2nd and October 4th? I take those for the dates we talked about for possible. These are the scheduled. Yeah, and I apologize. I should not close in the loop on that. We'll get that date resolved. And the EDC. So that's awesome. So that's September 24th day. I think it was problematic. I have put out a note to Becky. And so we'll get that rescheduled and get that word out to everybody on that. We have the two-pound halls that have been discussed on accessory dwellings. And that's on the framework that was discussed by the City Council. So the 25th, the 29th for those. October 7th work session, solid waste financial policies, a scope of work discussion, council salaries that ultimately would be in the form of an ordinance. Financial policies, the discussion review of those, then associated with those coming out of the budget finance committee as I look at our affordable housing fund and how that fund is in some government. So do them on October 7th and then take action on 20th? I'll give those down before we move on to the first with the budget. So if we make really good progress on the high answer policies and those consensus on those, then I think we've been the action on the 28 about an additional work session. If there's more desire for changes or discussion about those, then we can include them for what I'm hopefully with the wrap up discussion on our favorite final first prior to adoption on the 28th. And you are okay with the budget and finance not having those first review, be hold on with the session. The finance is the interversession. Yeah, I mean, if we cover me, the individual needs for a certain so people understand what's going on. Expect one. Change. In some changes to review. Yeah. I think it's fine to do it. In the work session first, but we'll have them. Then we have the president of finance, and we can talk a little bit more right to the point still and right to then Bring it for action on the Right October 21st work session so that the 15th will be the no conference There's an comment on that but we would then get back together again on October 21st for work session. And I do mean, I hope two folks I need to hear from if you're going or not. The two at the head of the table. So let me know and I'll get you registered if you're going. Is this the one where we normally do the Fairfax and Vienna dinner? No, that's like January. Yeah. Yeah, January. The October 1 will be the networking and the VML awards. The 21st work session, vision zero, complete streets policy resolution, accessory dwellings, a work session on track code following the framework discussions, and then FY25 budget amendment number one discussion and priorities have laid out in earlier meetings some staff ideas on the use of the FY25 revenue surplus and an understanding. But then we'll discuss that work session. And then that carries forward to the meeting on the October 28th of a first meeting on that budget amendment. You have a quarterly CIT update and quarterly council's strategic priority update. Resolution on the vision zero complete street sponsor this commercial parking that's the way we deferred action to the 28th consideration on that. I have sort of terribly put in there this change to break crosswalk standards. I think we have that recommendation on what our materials would be for that going forward and a three council on that. We are working with the Quinn site plan on all of the sidewalk standards and working through some sign concepts within on that will have been a follow-up briefing with the council and with that, what was it like to you to have a later date. Going back to October 21st, Division Zero, complete streets. I think last time we talked about getting our collective thoughts and what that looks like, and you, you know, talked about carrying more about the power, right? So we all generally support the idea of moving the division zero and complete the streets and not spending a ton of time and can still work on all of the manual, but more. And how does this come to life. So as part of that work session discussion, you'd be great to get staff's thoughts on where some early examples where this change will feel different for us. And let's get more tactical rather than broad lofty concepts. I think you're going to get headmats on. So I'm putting it that now given that we're over among vows of staff as time. Get that thought of what the work session can be about. We want productive discussion then. I think we all agree we want to have zero traffic events. We all want complete streets. So how will matter a lot more to us. Council members in the room. I'm. Can I also point out the October 23rd. the room to find it. In green. Can I also point out the October 23rd, kind of Sandra, you know, or I want to do. Yeah, if anybody, hopefully everybody is okay with that. We've been moving around. It's just in the effort to summer, right? Yeah, we were thinking we were trying to do an in December, but it was a bus trying to find a date. So it's just trying to find a space and a date that everybody can do. So I'm sorry, well that choice, I'm sorry. And I did, um, for the new council member, I am talking to Jane Berkney. I mean, he's not sure if we election will be certified by November 12th, but we're going to work, but usually kind of get it together and it's done, but we'll, um, we'll take you that out. Could we look for a date for that breakfast with staff and council. I think it's going to be working on that. What? The council breakfast was. And I'm over. And I'm a nice quarterly thing. I started doing. Not community center before the album. Yeah. I wrote the location there. Double check. And thank you, sir. Send anything else or running over to them. See you this weekend.