Good morning and welcome to the Alameda County together for all ad hoc committee meeting. Let's call the roll. Supervisor Marques excused. Supervisor Fortinato Bass. Present. Good morning everyone and welcome to the second meeting of Act for all. Alameda, together for all. This is our ad hoc committee that the board approved recently and I am very thankful that we have this dedicated space for us to make sure that we are sharing accurate information about federal policy and budget decisions that are potentially impacting our most vulnerable community members here in Alameda County. And again, the purpose of this committee is to make sure that we are informed, prepared, and have due process, and that we are protecting access to services, safety net services for our communities. I'm grateful that my vice chair for this committee, Alisa Marquez, has been a strong partner. Unfortunately, she is not here today, and she has been exercising very strong leadership together with myself to make sure we're able to move forward. Before we get started, I just wanted to share that, at our first meeting, we had a number of really informative presentations from a range of community members representing the immigrant and refugee rights communities, the LGBTQ community as well as the reproductive justice community. We also heard from a number of our county leaders, including our interim health director, our public defender, and I'm really grateful to the leadership and work that everyone is doing to ensure, again, that our most vulnerable communities have access to services and are able to exercise their rights. One of the action steps that came out of the first meeting was a recommendation to fund critical services. And I want to make sure everybody knows that the board has approved that recommended budget allocation. So that's 1.3 million to expand the public defenders immigration unit. And then three contracts to community-based organizations who are doing critical work in the areas of rapid response, community organizing, and education as well as legal services. And I anticipate that at this Tuesday's meeting, we will be able to approve those three contracts. So I'm really grateful to have the partnership of everyone here in the county, as well as the community to move forward these critical action steps. So today, we have a single item on our agenda, which is very important, and it is a survey of existing data collection and retention practices for potential exposure to federal executive orders and statutory obligations and impact on Alameda County communities. We've heard from our health director and others about policies and practices regarding data sharing. So I appreciate hearing that information. Today we're going to focus on data collection and retention. There's a lot of questions about this in the community. And I'm glad to have five speakers who will be joining us in person as well as over Zoom to share some critical information, best practices, and potential action steps that we can take. So without further ado, we'll get started with our first speaker, and that is Brian Hofer, who is the Executive Director of Secure Justice. Thank you, Chair Bess, for this opportunity to present and also for your own hard work pushing fast to allocate the resources that you folks have been doing here. Also thank you to Supervisor Marquez for those I haven't yet met Brian Hofer of the executive director of Secure Justice. For about nine more hours I also serve as the chair of the City of Oakland's privacy commission. to've begun contacting Bariat governing bodies with similar concerns that I'm about to share with you and suggested route to address them. I just was doing this Tuesday night before the Richmond City Council like Oakland and San Francisco, they offer a municipal ID card and debit card. And when I started examining their documents, I saw an awful lot of red flags. Data trails that are ripe for ice and others to use. Although you don't have such an ordinance, when I wrote the sanctuary contracting law for Oakland Berkeley and Richmond, it was inspired partly by former supervisor Wilma Chan and also a childhood friend of mine. They were telling me how they couldn't get parents of DACA and dreamers students to sign up for financial aid or for the health benefits programs that Alameda County offers even though they were entitled to them by operation of state or local law. And as we all know, that is the reality that we're dealing with here. So one of the first problems is that no Bay Area Municipality is doing an adequate job of advising the participants or I should say the potential participants of these programs about the risks of participation. As I mentioned, the ID cards and debit cards in those three cities, locally, Alameda San Francisco Contra Costa provide financial aid for education, housing, health and social services. And none of those programs are at least publicly outwardly that we've been able to confirm so far advising as to the risks. I haven't found a single reference on any municipalities website to the potential risk or threat from an 8 U.S.C. section 1373 or 1644 demand, which requires you upon written requests to provide citizenship's data if you have it in your possession. If you don't, that's a felony. So we see some concern there. One of the biggest really just disasters that California created or did on its own. We created an AB 60 driver's license. The bill was named AB 60. We created a special category of driver's licenses for those lacking legal status. And because no data privacy experts were at the table to remind the legislators that ICE had direct access to the DMV database, California put a bull's eye on the back of these folks. You would not apply for this driver's license unless you were undocumented. We made it easier for ICE to deport people. They were showing up at doorsteps with the AB60 printouts. And so this is the experience I've had in the Bay Area where I've seen a lot of these data threats is that it's not usually a, it's not an intentional misuse of the data. Like we're not openly or intentionally cooperating with ICE but it's a negligence, it's an oversight. We forget to opt out of a database. I know several of the other speakers today are going to talk about our relationships with federal partners. You know, we forget to fire our wall our data from these agencies. And so that's kind of where we want to push you as we do this work. And I just do want to emphasize, like, you know, in my line of work, we never tell anyone their data is safe that we can guarantee it. Any data collected is data at risk. We live in a federated system through legal process, through private data brokers. Someone can get your data. I also can't say enough that for some high risk individuals, privacy literally is a life or death matter. And just the governments, the staffs I work with, you know, wonderful people, educated folks, I'll try to do a good job, but the privacy literacy rates at the local governments that we work with are not that great. And that itself means that contracts, MOUs are not being reviewed through a privacy lens. And I really appreciate you beat me to it, Chair Bias. I do want to remind us of our mandate to protect all residents. It's not just undocumented, of course, Iced deportations are front of mind. Oakland is well known for having a strong LGBTQ presence. We have a number of trans individuals openly identifying as such, because it's at least relatively safer here. And we know it's only gonna get worse as Trump escalates his war on those seeking gender affirming a reproductive care and the data pertaining to such. And there's also multiple ways to get that data and the county is likely holding some of that in their possession. So I'm going to sort of skip to the conclusion of smidge and just saying, we're already doing this work for you. I imagine at some point we're going to have to ask, you know, for that help last 20% or so to get across the finish line. From the outside and with public record requests, we can probably get 80% of the a couple of different points of view. So, we're going to be able to get a couple of different points of view. So, we're going to be able to get a couple of different points of view. So, we're going to be able to get a couple of different points of view. So some of the things we're going to be looking at as I just shared with Richmond on Tuesday night. And I'm just going to use them as an example since it's in fresh in my head while promising people that the data collected by the city of Richmond would be confidential in their contract. The operator is required to 24, 7, 365 data verification. You can't verify the data if you've deleted it. So right there, there's some sort of conflict going on. I found more third parties involved in the process, especially on the debit card side than anyone on the council had ever even heard of. Banking regulations required those records to be retained for five years. No one that applied for municipal ID card enrichment was ever advised of any of those things I just mentioned. And I also want to impress upon you. It's not just as simple as saying does Alameda County collect citizenship status. There's proxies for that. And so we're looking through a number of your data Categories to come back and give you some sort of analysis We think at the worst case you might halt a program Well, we changed the policies and practices in place What we've been finding online is not adequate as to inform to consent. People are not thoroughly being advised on the many third parties involved, the retention practices involved those third parties, or even the county's own current position on data. The policies that I've been finding online suggest that you are retaining data, that it's not being deleted. It's not quite clear if that means citizenship data as a specific category. That's what we're tracking down. I'll just quickly highlight a few of the county web pages we looked at. Just as an example here, you know, I'm educated, I'm reasonably tech savvy. I can't find your privacy policies on these pages. The search function doesn't bring up a privacy policy. And so someone that is in a native English speaker or comfortable with online research is likely not going to find it either. It is possible, of course, that you guys are warning people or advising them in private, like face-to-face individual meetings. That's possible That's something we're going to track down with you guys. But from the outside, I can't see any evidence that that's occurring. This is another one. Your Cappy program, which by its own express terms, does work with non-citizens. I can't tell any of the data collection or relevant privacy policies that pertain to this program we can't find them online. So what I'm really hoping, it's kind of almost like trying to prove a negative. I would love to be able to come back with our survey results and say, you know, we don't actually see much of a threat here, because that would encourage the community to then take more advantage of the benefits that can really make a difference in their life. I think at a minimum, we've got a warrant folks, at least in the general sense, all at risk communities about your current data collection or retention practices and reference the 1373 and 1644 threat as to citizenship status specifically. I don't think we're gonna come back to you with like a numerical score like 6.8 on the scale of 10. I think we're gonna have some sort of narrative that you know like a true privacy threat model that we believe based on current practices, we think there's a low threat to participating in program XYZ and that the benefits likely outweigh the risk as to participation. And of course, if we see anything alarming prior to concluding our research, we'll bring it to your attention immediately. That's why I ended up showing up in Richmond on Tuesdays, because they actually had some really significant concerns that I needed to put out into the open. In a good news, the city administrator up there actually told me they're gonna, they're dropping the debit card. That was the biggest privacy threat. Of course, that comes with the trade-off. People that needed the financial maneuverability that a debit card allows in a modern society. So our current position, we're not recommending termination of any program at any municipality that we've examined so far. It's a quality of life issue. It's, you know, these services really do make a significant difference to somebody's life. Sorry, I didn't skip that. You know, getting banking, health care, housing services, financial aid for student obviously improves your life. And so our position is that we believe the individual applicants should gauge the risk for themselves. It's not your decision, it's not my decision, but they can't make that evaluation if we don't fully inform them of all the risks. So, you know, I don't have a firm deadline of when we're going to be done with this, we are prioritizing all of me to county, though. So I hope to return to you with more firm conclusions in the near future. Happy to answer any questions you have and I appreciate you listening. Thank you Mr. Hofer for the very informative presentation. Secure Justice does work statewide is that correct? Correct. Have you seen any best practices for cities or counties around this? Nope. You know, I think the City of Oakland as to operational practices would be my gold standard. As you recall though, when we created a citywide privacy principles, COVID hit that has never been implemented. So while I think our police side is buttoned up, the rest of the city never got to the notices and disclaimers part of the fully informed. We are working with the city attorney through the pack right now on that project, but no one's doing a good job of this. Okay, thank you. I am very interested in moving forward the survey that you described here in Alameda County. I don't believe we have anyone from the County Administrators Office here, do we? So there are a number of questions including the ones you mentioned, which I think are important, including understanding who's responsible for not only collecting the data, but potentially deleting it. And are you aware of any automated deletion schedules or audits that Alameda County or any of our cities have done regarding deletion in particular? The cities that are subject to the surveillance ordinance like Oakland, so locally, Bart in the county, Bart, Oakland and Berkeley, I'll have that to the extent the technology is modern enough, you recall our previous license plate reader system was from the 70s, it all had to be manual. Our new license plate reader system does have automated deletion schedules and auditing. I believe your sheriff is presently also using a similar system on that. As to the rest of your practices, I can't even find the policies. The ones we found have no mention of automated deletion schedules. That is for me really a priority that we figure that out. If the technology is capable of it, it's got to be mandated and we need to follow up with it. Thank you. Really appreciate the information. Okay, we are going to hear from the rest of our presenters before we take public comment. The next person speaking is Sadai Hussein, who is the senior staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and thank you for joining us on Zoom. Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be able to speak with you all about this issue. I'm wondering if there are the slides that are due to full X slide. Thank you. So I will be focusing on data collection and retention and the ways that local governments, in particular, local law enforcement, here is government. I'm sorry, I'm just wondering if the slides have been queued up? Yes, it's taken a little bit longer, but they're coming. Okay. I'll just go ahead and get started with some of the issues that I'm going to be talking about today, which is in part some of the ways that the local governments collaborate with the federal government in which they may receive personal information about individuals who are residing in the county. So one you know, one of the ways that there is a lot of information sharing going on is through the fusion centers, which were formed by the Department of Homeland Security Post 9-11. They're operated by states and localities, but they consist of law enforcement partners across federal, state, local, and tribal law enforcement agencies, first responders, select private industry representatives, and they collect, analyze, and distribute intelligence if you can move forward to the next slide. Thank you. They're currently 80 fusion centers throughout the country, sticks in California, and that includes the Northern California Regional Information Center, which is located right here in Bay Area. Nick Rick historically has served as the Bay Area Hub for sharing data across agencies, including things like automated license plate reader information, face recognition, social media monitoring, drone operations, and as was subject to much litigation back in the early arts suspicious activity reports or SARS, which would oftentimes be random people saying, I believe, you know, I saw something suspicious happen near a bridge or near a water tower or something like that and oftentimes that would initiate FBI related investigations of individuals who are most of the time where we engage and completely innocent behavior. Next slide. We've written a bit about NICRIC and about Fusion Centers and back in 2022 my colleague Dave Maas pointed out that the San Francisco Police Department actually had no agreements with Nick Rick based on public records requests that we had put in. So that showed that there was really nothing governing exactly what Nick Rick could receive from the police, including criminal justice data, intelligence, who else they could be sharing this information with. And obviously that poses a huge concern while we're talking about marginalized communities such as immigrant communities that have sensitive information that could be shared. So all those are about San Francisco, you know, the same holds when it comes to police agencies within Elimita County to make sure that, you know, there actually is some sort of agreement if they are in fact sharing information with Nick Rick. Next slide. I have a feeling that some of the other speakers are going to touch on the task forces piece. I won't dwell too long on this. But there's a few different types of task forces. One that has long been existing has been the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force, which relies on state and local law enforcement to conduct investigations related to things like terrorism threats. Those investigations follow federal guidelines. So that means that even if state and local laws and policies exist, oftentimes the officers that are state and local officers who are part of these JTTFs are actually following the federal guidelines and ignoring the local ones, which can cause a lot of issues. It's led to both Oakland and San Francisco passing, you know, fairly strict reporting requirements for JTTFs. And in 2020, when Oakland found out that these reporting guidelines were not being followed, they pulled out of the joint terrorism task force. And I know that there has been a continued effort by law enforcement to re-enter the partnership, but there are some really serious concerns. These JTFs have been accused of harassment, racial and religious profiling, targeting of Muslim Arab communities and involving immigration enforcement. One really important thing to know is that the quote-unquote states, thanks Shari Law, SB 54 actually does omit some of its protections for officers who are engaged in these joint terrors and task forces meaning that if the investigation is being done with and a primary purpose is not immigration enforcement, but immigration enforcement is like a secondary purpose or a tertiary purpose, then officers can still share some of that information with the other members of the G-G-T-F, which could result in immigration enforcement, and that's obviously very problematic and a big loophole in the law. Next slide. Something new that we are seeing is a rise is out of one of the recent executive orders and that tries to establish the existence of Homeland Security Task Forces. So it directs the Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security to establish these entities with the goal of going after partels foreign gangs, transnational criminal organizations, and it creates operational command centers to coordinate these activities. Once again, it consists of a federal, state, and local law enforcement. It's really unclear exactly how this is gonna be carried out. It really sounds to me as another iteration of a fusion center with slightly different goals because of who we are aiming at. But it is, you know, it does sound like it's going to be quite a bit of information sharing. And one of the implicit goals sounds like you would also be immigration enforcement just based on who they're going after. Next slide. And then we get to information sharing through surveillance technologies. We have a compendium called the Atlas of surveillance, which documents surveillance technology that have been used by local law enforcement agencies. And we have thousands of data set data points where we're trying to collect information about things like drones, automated license plate readers, video analytics, third party investigative platforms, other types of surveillance technologies that are in common use among local law enforcement and who has those technologies. So one thing to remember is that many of these technologies are really unregulated in terms of the law enforcement agencies are acquiring them. They're starting to use them and there really is no policies or even really civil liberties, civil rights concerns around how they're going to be using this, who they're going to be sharing this information with. There are obviously cities within Alameda County that have passed, you know, surveillance ordinances. And so there is an additional layer there in terms of being transparent about who they're sharing with and how often and that sort of thing. But there are only a handful of cities in Alameda County that have passed such policies and the rest kind of operate under. We have it and we can use it and we can share it with whoever we want to and that creates a really serious concern. Next slide. If if you go to atlasobservellance.org, you will see the, you can type in particular locality and see which agencies in that locality are holding what types of surveillance technologies. So you can see here I took a screenshot of this, I kept an Alameda County, it started to bring up all of the various agencies that operate within the county including Berkeley Police Department, Oakland Police Department, Alameda County Sheriff's Office, and it'll tell you all the different types of technologies and sometimes lead you to more information. So I encourage you all to check this out and see what there is. But one of the interesting things that I found next slide was around sort of the very issue that we're talking about today. So Oakland, North reported back in 2020 that the Oakland Police Department had renewed a contract with forensic data company. And as you can see from the pull up quote, Oakland is because it's a sanctuary city, it is not a lot to designate any of its officers to work with ICE. It showed that ICE had direct access to this particular database. And at least 25 different local police agencies were adding to this database. So it's one place where a lot of this information could be mine and ICE could take it back. So given those concerns, the Privacy Advisory Commission had put forth recommendations to restrict this data to law enforcement agencies in Alameda County. We've also seen the same thing with automated license plate readers where there is a state law that says such information cannot leave the state and go into the hands of out of state law enforcement agencies or federal law enforcement agencies and through an investigation that we at EFF did along with the ACLU of Northern California, we found out that there were hundreds of law enforcement agencies across the state that were sharing this information. We ended up sending letters to over 70 of them and after a very directed campaign to get them to stop, some of them did. And we are also able to engage with the California Attorney General's Office to send letters to those agencies that were couch-to-trint and refusing to stop sharing this information. And as far as we understand it, they were successful. But it really is about monitoring and making sure that there's compliance because right now there seem to be many agencies that are a little bit reticent to comply, even though the law is very clear about not being able to share this information out of state. I think I'm going to stop there and I'm happy to to feel any questions. Thank you so much for this information. Either to Syrah Hussein or any staff that might be with us whether in person or online, do we know how how many federal task forces Alameda County is participating with? And if not, we can try to find that out. I think it is important to you understand what the nature of that data sharing is with those task forces. I know from my experience in Oakland, the MOUs will come before the City Council, so we do have an opportunity to take action to ensure that there are data sharing protocols in place. Okay, let's move on to our next speaker. So we have with us in person, Lada, Kiswani, the Executive Director of the Error Resource and Organizing Center. Thanks so much for joining us today. Good morning. Thank you so much, Chair Bass, for holding this space and for all the work you've been doing to protect our communities. I appreciate the opportunity to speak directly about the impact of data practices as it relates to the Arab and Muslim community under the current administration and beyond. The Arab and Muslim community has long-faced challenges and visibility access to services and resource allocation due to the lack of official recognition in census data. At the same time, we've endured discrimination, targeted attacks, and repression as a result of data sharing policies that have historically harmed rather than protected our communities. So for years, one of the most pressing concerns has actually been lack of data, namely the lack of recognition of Arab Americans in U.S. Census. Without official Middle Eastern and North African category, our community remains underrepresented in critical areas such as healthcare, education, and social services, which forces our community organizations like ours to fill that gap, to conduct our own surveys and estimate the population and needs of the community. The absence of accurate data negatively impacts our advocacy efforts, it impacts the ability for recognition of cultural holidays and calendars and making proper accommodation, meeting language, access thresholds, addressing discrimination and targeting and employment, housing and education and inclusive curriculum as well. But these structural barriers reflect the racialized marginalization of our community and prevent us from fully accessing the rights and resources available to people. While data obviously can be a tool for advocacy it's also been weaponized. And the majority of Arabs in Muslim-Nabay area are themselves immigrants, refugees, or children of immigrants and refugees. And the federal government has repeatedly used data collection to disproportionately target Arab and Muslim communities. Asciro noted fusion centers and data sharing agreements between local and federal law enforcement like the Joint Terrorism Task Force or grant agreements like countering violent extremism have led to civil rights violations, racial profiling, entrapment of young men with mental health struggles who are currently serving time in prison right here in Alameda County, deportation and unjust targeting of Arab and Muslim immigrants under the guise of national security. These policies have real and lasting consequences. We could go back to 9-11 and talk about the programs like NCERS. These policies are now taking on generational characters and intergenerational trauma. Counterterrorism allows laws, actually target Palestinian Arabs and Muslims, but they're also used to justify the ongoing surveillance and repression of other Black, brown, and immigrant communities. Today, we are very concerned with what is to come as it relates to increased vetting and data sharing amongst agencies, the potential reinstatement of restrictive travel bans, expansion of counterterrorism laws targeting any and all groups and individuals opposing current U.S. federal policies, expanding national security surveillance, just proportionally affecting Arabs and Muslims, algorithmic bias in facial recognition and AI-based law enforcement tools, and government scrutiny of online activities leading to chilling effects of speech activism and even access to social services. With the new round of U.S. travel bands expected in the coming days, it is critical to protect information related to people's country of origin, their ethnicity, their religion, the languages they speak from federal overreach. Without such protection, data collection can be weaponized to restrict immigration, deny access to services, and justify the increased policing of all communities. We must remain vigilant against these injustices and demand safeguards to prevent history from repeating itself. We also know that the administration has already instituted orders to target Arab immigrant students and all those who speak out for Palestinian human rights. At the county level, local government can take steps to protect student activists by ensuring that local law enforcement does not participate in politically motivated surveillance, have access to university databases, that universities and local departments reject attempts to institute facial recognition and enacting data privacy protections to prevent the misuse of student records and offering legal services and support networks for those facing that harassment and discrimination due to their advocacy. Additionally, the county can publicly affirm the right to freedom of speech and protest, ensuring that students are not only unfairly targeted for expressing their political views, but are also supported by their representatives. We've already verified FBI visits right here in the Bay Area targeting pro-Palestinian students and Arab or Muslim community organizers across the county and across the Bay Area. Community organizations such as ours are also now in the crosshairs of these repressive federal policies with HR 94 95 and other right wing local and federal policies taking up the work to discredit and strip organizations of their ability to do the necessary work. Ensuring community organizations are protected and resource to do the critical work of know your rights legal defense is more important than ever. When people fear that their personal information might be used against them, they avoid accessing essential services like healthcare, education, and housing assistance. This is obviously not just an Arab or Muslim issue. It is a fundamental civil rights issue that affects public health, public safety and economic stability. To protect our communities, it's crucial that the county ensure that contracts and any work done across the county does not mandate organizations or service providers to collect names and exact addresses of clients, but not only not mandating it, deters them from sharing that information. That will be key in the coming days. Simply moving away from this level of data collection and towards protocols of unique identifiers or cross streets as a location can go a long way. We must detour service providers from sharing any information that can be weaponized by the federal government. The county has the opportunity to take a real structural approach in response to these challenges, ensuring that the sanctuary values are upheld and that data practices prioritize community protection. You can push for a mean a category inclusion in local demographic data collection across health, education, social service, and business programs. You can strengthen data protections and privacy protections ensuring that local agencies do not share sensitive information with law enforcement and continue to pass privacy ordinances protecting marginalized communities. In San Francisco and Oakland, we have the civil rights ordinances that ensure that any information sharing between local and federal police law enforcement is monitored, is audited, and also there's oversight from the community. We can do similar things across the county. We can invest in community trust and resources, partner with community organizations, immigrant community organizations to ensure safe protection in community programs, and that data is collected without misuse. And we can monitor and address discrimination in AI and policing. Audit, county-level use of facial recognition, predictive policing, and social media monitoring for bias community harm. We must establish oversight boards with representatives of all the vulnerable and marginalized communities at this time. And lastly, protecting students, ensuring that law enforcement does not engage in politically motivated surveillance of Arab and Muslim student activists and allies, reject the use of facial recognition across institutions and in act data privacy protections to prevent the misuse of student records, which we are concerned is already being implemented. The Arab community faces unique risks from data and surveillance practices, the approach of the new administration, to immigration, to national security and technology will determine the severity of these risks. However, at the county level, we can take proactive steps to ensure data protection, equitable representation, and access to essential services for the Arab Muslim community and all communities. Protecting data rights is obviously not just an Arab Muslim issue. It is about ensuring dignity, equity, and trust in government for all communities. We urge the Canada to take these bold steps in this moment and we thank you for your consideration to these ideas and recommendations. Thank you so much for that very informative and thorough presentation. And of course we recognize that during the first Trump administration, there was incredible harm done to the Arab and Muslim community, and we have an opportunity to learn from that and do much, much better. So I appreciate all of the recommendations that you shared. There's a lot here in terms of making sure that we're doing better in terms of census data to really make sure that the area of the Muslim community members in our county are seen, heard, and received services and also made note of some of the potential threats including surveillance, targeting, and restriction of people's movements as well as access to services. So there's a lot in your presentation that we can follow up with and also want to recognize for those who celebrate it is the month of Ramadan, the Holy Month. So we want to make sure that we're also inclusive of recognizing all of our communities. Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay, we have our fourth speaker. Our fourth speaker is Rona Popal. And they are the co-founder and executive director of the Afghan Coalition. Joining us on Zoom. We can't hear you. you you Okay, thanks for your patience while we address some technical issues. Cheers. you you Okay. Okay. So at this time, hopefully we can address the technical issues. Let's move to Moosa Turek, who is also with us on Zoom. And they are the policy coordinator of the Council on American Islamic Relations in the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. 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So shortly, Amnesty International, one of the world's leading human rights organizations, has concluded that Israel's committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza and the consequences have been devastating. Hundreds of thousands of lives lost, entire families wiped out, tens of thousands of children orphaned, and of Gaza's infrastructure decimated. And the general genocidal rhetoric of the Israeli government has had repercussions here at home, feeling the worst rise in Islamophobia in the United States since 9-11. Muslims in Palestinian speaking out against the genocide and Gaza have faced an unprecedented wave of attacks and violence. Since October 2023, we have witnessed an unprecedented and disturbing surge in Islamophobia and anti-Palestinian racism. While these two forms of discrimination are distinct, they are frequently conflated by those who villainize both Muslim and Arab identities. So this is resulted in the use of anti-Muslim rhetoric to justify anti-Palestinian racism and vice versa, which contributes to a climate of discrimination and hostility that directly impact the lives of American Muslims and Palestinians in Al-Aliya County and beyond. Now, unfortunately, the lack of comprehensive accurate data on anti-Muslim anti-Aliya out of hate in California makes it difficult to grasp the full extent of this crisis, but I'd like to provide some of the numbers that care has collected in the last few years. In 2023, care received the highest number of complaints ever recorded in its 30-year history. I believe that was over 8,000 complaints and a 56% increase from the number of complaints reported in 2022. And this wave of anti-Muslim incidents surpassed even the period following Trump's Muslim ban in January 2017. And these numbers have only gotten worse. In 2024, Karek, California, in collaboration with the Center for the Prevention of Haton-Bullying, released at second campus climate report. And that report found that nearly half of Muslim students surveyed reported facing harassment or discrimination due to their religious identity. The ongoing genocide in Gaza intensified Islamophobic incidents, resulting in suppression of free speech and penalties for students advocating for Palestinian rights. Many students reported insufficient support from university administrations and law enforcement, which compounded the feelings of isolation and fear. Students on campus did not feel safe as their freedom of speech was being stifled, often with excessive physical force by law enforcement and outside agitators. In general, the efforts to suppress support for Palestinian rights and justify the violence against Palestinians have directly contributed to the proliferation of anti-Muslim, anti-Palestinian, and anti-Anapeite crimes. And these incidents include the brutal tragic murder of six-year-old Palestinian American Wadiya Al-Fayyum, who was stabbed 26 times while his murderer shouted, you Muslims must die, and his assailant was charged with murder nearly days ago. And this tragedy is just one of unfortunately many examples of how Islamophobic and anti-Palestinian rhetoric by American political leaders in media has emboldened hate and violence against our communities. So with all this context in mind, I'd like to talk about escalating hate crimes and the underreporting of data around Islamophobia and anti-Palestinian anti-Arm of hate. So as alarming as these numbers are and these incidents are, They still fail to capture the full scope of this crisis. Many incidents in our communities go unported due to fear distrust or lack of accessible reporting mechanisms. Muslim and auto communities in particular have a deep rooted mistrust, a law enforcement stemming from decades of mass surveillance, harassment and racial profiling in the years following 9-11 and especially as of late. And this brings us to a critical issue that Alamudah County must address, the lack of extensive data regarding Islamophobia. Currently, the California Attorney General's annual hate crime report does not list Muslims as one of the top five most targeted groups in the state. And this omission does not accurately represent the reality on the ground for our communities. The report relies solely on hate crimes reported it law enforcement, which does not account for the widespread underreporting of anti-Muslim hate crimes due to fear of law enforcement, harassment, discrimination, and other forms of bias that do not legally qualify as hate crimes. Hate incidents on college campuses where Islamophobic and anti-Auto rhetoric has intensified, and the most recent data reflecting the post-October 2023 surge in Islamophobia and anti-Anavheight. Their alliance on law enforcement data is particularly problematic for the Arab Middle Eastern, Muslim and South Asian, or the MMSA community, which has been disproportionately targeted by post-911 surveillance programs, such as the FBI's countering violent extremism initiative and the FBI watchlist, which have led to discriminatory profiling unwarranted data collection and the unconstitutional surveillance of Muslim communities. And law enforcement agencies, including those in Alameda County, collect and retain significant amounts of data on Muslim individuals under the pretext of national security. And there is little to no transparency regarding how this data is used, who has access to it, and whether it's being shared with federal agencies. This raises concerns about potential exposure to federal executive orders and laws that exacerbate discriminatory and constitutional surveillance practices. I want to talk a little bit about the impact on Alameda County communities in particular. When people fear that their speech, activism religion may be monitored or used against them, they are less likely to engage in civic life, report hate crimes, or seek legal protections. For Alameda County, this means that vital data about Islamophobia and other forms of hate may never reach policymakers, leaving these communities vulnerable and unprotected. And it's crucial that county officials recognize the gaps in data collection and reporting and take proactive steps to ensure that Muslim, Palestinian, other marginalized voices have a voice in shaping public policy, public safety. So some of the policy recommendations that we recommend, given the urgent need to address these issues include improving hate crime, data collection and reporting. So that means establishing independent reporting mechanisms outside of law enforcement to ensure accurate documentation of Islamophobia and hate crimes, partnering with Muslim and auto Middle Eastern Muslim and South Asian or a MMSO organizations to track and analyze incidents of discrimination and ensure that hate crime data reflects the rise in Islamophobia post October 2023. We also recommend restricting local cooperation with federal surveillance programs, as was mentioned before. So, suspending any Alameda County participation in federal surveillance programs targeting Muslims in general. Specifically, the Alameda County must reject any collaboration with the Joint Terrorism Task Force as it would entangle local law enforcement and a federal surveillance system that has repeatedly violated civil rights and disproportionately targeted Muslim out of and other marginalized communities. The Joint Terrorism Task Force operates with little transparency and almost no local oversight which allows for racial and religious profiling under the guise or pretext of national security. And partnering with the JTTF would undermine community trust, contradict Alamuna County's commitments of protecting civil liberties and subject Alamuna County residents to unconstitutional surveillance and harassment. They also recommend auditing existing data collection practices to determine when information is being shared with federal agencies and advocating for the suspension of FBI's dissemination of the terrorist watch list, which disproportionately harms our communities. We also advocate for stronger legal protections, so supporting state and federal legislation to enhance anti-docsing laws, protecting Muslim activists and community members from online harassment, and urging Congress to type a lease funding to hate crime data submission to ensure law enforcement agencies are held accountable for tracking and addressing Islamophobia. And finally, ensuring equal treatment of Palestinian suffering in public discourse and education. So public officials, corporate leaders and educators, respecting free speech on Palestine and recognizing the humanity of Palestinians, and providing equal attention to Palestinian suffering when discussing international issues to combat anti-Palestinian racism and prevent further marginalization of our Muslim Palestinian out of communities the Somafobia and anti-Palestinian racism are escalating at an unprecedented rate in Alameda County has an opportunity and a Responsibility to address these concerns by advocating for accurate data collection some policies that protect all of its residents Equatively Thank you for hearing and considering these recommendations and we look forward to working with you and Alameda County to create a safer Alameda County for all, especially in the coming years. Thank you so much. Thank you, Moosa, for all of that information. Definitely appreciate hearing about the data that you have been collecting. In terms of hate crime data reporting, are there any best practices that you can share with us in terms of more independent reporting outside law enforcement if I heard that correctly? I'd recommend working with organizations such as us at care or AROC or other organizations that work with these communities. I myself am not part of our legal team, but I know that through all the intakes that we get in the office regarding civil rights discrimination immigration issues. This is how we're able to collect and kind of compile these numbers. So working with organizations and local organizations even with an Alameda County to have more accurate data that reflects what our communities are facing. Thank you. And I do believe that AROC is a part of the community-based organizations who are in coalition working on, know your rights trainings and that body of work that the county is supporting. And so I'm hopeful that as the county funds that work, work work we will be able to ensure that there's more access to information as well as hopefully more ability to collect any data on instances of hate crimes. Okay thank you again and I believe that we have resolved some of the technical issues. So our last presenter today is Rona Popal, and excuse me if I mispronounce your name. Again, they are the co-founder and executive director of the technical issues. It is an honor to be here today representing the Afghan Coalition. An organization dedicated to supporting Afghan families and individuals as they navigate their lives in the United States. Today, I want to speak about the important issue, how recent policy changes are affecting Afghan refugees and immigrants, and what that means for the future of our community. First, I would like to talk about the history of displacement. For over four decades, Afghan have faced displacement due to conflict and instability. The first major wave of migration began in 1980 with a Soviet invasion, followed by another 1990 during the Civil War and the rise of Taliban. After 2001, Afghan who worked with international organization and newest government sought resettlement opportunities. Most recently, the event of August 2021 triggered one of the largest evacuation in history, bringing thousands of Afghan families to the United States in search of safety and stability. Through these transitions, the Afghan community has demonstrated resilience, contributing to the society in a meaningful way. However, today new challenges are emerging and require urgent attention. Current challenges under the new policy. Recent policy shifts and budget reduction or creating an uncertainty for many Afghans who are working to build their future lives. And if all these budget reduction will cause job loss and economic uncertainty, many Afghans found employment in a refugee you, subtle men agency and federal programs that support newcomers as the funding for these and certainty. Many Afghans found employment and a refugee resettlement agency and federal programs that support newcomers. As the funding for this program all reduced, many of these jobs are disappearing. He created financial instability for families who depend on them. Housing instability is another issue access to affordable housing is a growing concern particularly a rental assistance program faced reduction. Many Afghan families who arrive with a limited financial resources are rely on these programs while working towards economic and economy and dependence. Without adequate support, some money is struggled to maintain its stable housing. We do access to services, legal assistance, health care, and social services play a crucial role in helping newcomers to adjust and integrate it cap affecting these areas could lead to delay an illegal process, challenges in this accessing healthcare and limited support for mental health and family services. These challenges create difficulties for money African family, particularly those still in a process of rebuilding their lives. Money have already overcome significant hardship and are working hard to contribute to their community. Ensuring they have access to stable employment, housing and essential services is not just just beneficial for them, but also strengthening the broader community. Addresses these challenges require collaboration between policymakers, community organizations and other stakeholders, continued investing and the workforce development, housing support and essential services will help Afghan family achieve a long-term stability and self-sufficiency. The Afghan community has a long history of preserving and with the right support. It can continue to thrive and contribute positively to the society by working together. We can ensure that Afghan families have the opportunity to build a secure and successful future in the United States. Thank you. Any questions? Thank you so much. That was a very helpful presentation to make sure that we are well aware and better connected to our Afghan community really appreciate your work. Thank you. Okay, so at this time I do want to invite any public comments. So if you're in the room, please fill out a speaker card if you have not already and if you are on Zoom. Please go ahead and raise your... comments. So if you're in the room, please fill out a speaker card if you have not already and if you are on Zoom. Please go ahead and raise your hand and we'll take Zoom comments from speakers who raise their hands over the next six minutes until 11 o I'm sorry 1110. color you're on the line. You have two minutes, Jackie. Thank you. Good morning, supervisor Bass. Please specify what tangible harm the Trump administration inflicted on the Arab community during its previous term. Unsubstantiated rhetoric like of this nature, Foster's division, and lacks credibility. The public is gravely concerned that this committee intends to propose the elimination of critical tools law enforcement relies upon to uphold the law and apprehend criminals. Be advised that any policy shift deliberately designed to contravene federal law will be promptly reported to the Department of Justice, accompanied by a formal request to suspend all federal funding to Alameda County. The presenters you invited have track records of opposing federal deportation efforts, which raises serious legal and fiscal concerns for you. Huffer pushed against ice data access, Kiswanis called to resist raids, and even though Mr. Tarek presented your invited specter, Belouz Urgine, to defy immigration enforcement, all undermine federal supremacy under Article 6 of the Constitution and laws like 8 U.S.C. 1357. Belou's group, Kair, was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land trial for Hamas ties, a terrorist sympathizing organization per the UAE. And her statements, the statements that she's made echo that legacy. This committee's mission to shield illegal criminals with taxpayer funds risks violating federal law, misusing our resources and inviting lawsuits for federal cuts from the Trump administration, for which we have already notified the DOG of your efforts to subvert the law. The public is deeply concerned and offended that the Alameda County Board of Supervisors would invite individuals and organizations known for promoting intentional violations of federal law into its chambers to explore ways the county might assist in undermining legal authority. The Democrat-dominated Alameda County Board of Supervisors, shameless defiance of federal law, as a grotesque middle finger to taxpayers, and after their petulant anti-American tantrum at Tuesday's joint session of Congress, where they sneered at Trump's call for two enforced borders, it's crystal clear these American hating clowns will stop it nothing to torch this nation. Mindy, you're on the line. You have two minutes. This is Mindy Petronok, candidate for Mayor of Oakland. And I endorse everything that Jackie before me just said. So I'll try not to repeat. But yes, you're in violation of federal law. And right now, you're instilling racism into this community. And you're actually, and this is why I think Oakland and California should stop being a sanctuary state and city. What good has it done? The people you claim to protect in this city. I see none. And I think a lot of other people see none. So it's time you abide by the federal laws. President Trump has the interest of all the people that everybody spoke of and what he's trying to to do, and what you should be doing as a board of supervisors, is stopping the criminals who are killing innocent young children, who are killing elderly and others. And I don't see any of that going on. You're allowing criminals to go ahead by preventing lawfully by the laws, what can be done with law enforcement and with ICE. So I fully support right now that this committee should be dissolved before, and we should actually now be concerned about the actual immigrants and actual population of Oakland, because I love all people people and the people of Oakland are suffering under the Policies that are coming out of the city and border supervisors. We have people in the streets on drugs Unfenton all who are dying, but where's the care about them or the homeless who have testified before you? Where's the care about them or the people right the elderly, who PG&E is cutting off their services because they can't afford the bill or the disabled. Why don't you put you on something that is important and correct as opposed to creating something that is defensive and actually racist? Gene Moses I'm going to ask for a question. I'm going to ask for a question. I'm going to ask for a question. I'm going to ask for a question. I'm going to ask for a question. I'm going to ask for a question. I'm going to hoc committee and for protecting law abiding citizens of different backgrounds from harassment and from real harm, which has been done and unfortunately I think will be continued to be done by policies that subject minorities to specific surveillance, harassment, and mistreatment. So thank you very much. Collar, you're on the line. You have two minutes, Gerald. Yes. Can you hear me okay? Yes. Yeah, this is Gerald,chen of the other Petchenok in Oakland. And I want to call to the attention to stories from recent days that I think that you guys should be aware of. Number one, four mayors who testified at a House Oversight Committee hearing on sanctuary cities, some mayors of New York, Denver, Chicago, and one other, were referred to the Department of Justice for Criminal Investigations based on their own comments. They were cited for being in violation of Title 8, US code 1324, the federal law, and federal law has jurisdiction here that makes it illegal to bring in and harbor unauthorized aliens. It also prohibits unlawful employment of aliens. So I guess you guys should put another tab in your bills here to get the legal staff ready for indictments of people here in this neck of the woods for just blatantly admitting they're violating the laws. Number two, I want to call your attention to a raid that took place in San Francisco last Wednesday where 84 people were arrested for illegal drug pushing and drug things. And it turns out that the people that have been caught in this D-PAC, which is a program in San Francisco of a line law enforcement against drugs, the Sinaloa cartel lives in Oakland. They had to go to Oakland to arrest the Sinaloa cartel. So that's where you guys could put some effort. Stop the drug. Color, you're on the line, you have two minutes, John. Yeah, John Guerrero, freeman, the Afghan community here has been model citizens. And they've endured a lot of hardship. And I will have to have it to the people that, you know, representing the Afghan community doing a very accurate job. The biggest harm to the Afghan nation, the Afghan people is when there was Joe Biden abruptly abandoned them, just pulled all their troops out of the Afghan and stand. Killing people, allowing the Taliban to come in and take over under President Trump. He would have pulled our troops out, but the Taliban would not have been in charge with the left. That caused the biggest airlift of refugees from Afghanistan ever. And it wasn't because it was all planned. It was because he had to mind and had to do it. Because those people were running for their lives. When they found out that the US military just abruptly pulled out. And if you don't remember, I will remind you of the time that, you across stadiums, you college campuses, they deemed the phrase, let's go Biden. And it was being echoed across the nation. And it was the most shameful, shameful display of military blunders in the history of the United States. I would say probably in the history of the world, to abandon Afghanistan the way he did, also leaving behind a whole air base with $80 billion in equipment. And that air base was right next to China. We could have, you know, used that air base, but he just left it. Thank you. I have no additional speakers for this item. Okay, thank you everyone for joining us. I certainly appreciate all of the people who came to present information to our committee as well as our public speakers. There are a number of follow-up items that we have here and I will work with our county staff to follow up a number of items. I'll just highlight three of them for now. One of them is a survey of data collection and retention practices. The second one is looking at federal task forces which we may be participating in and what those data sharing policies are. And then thirdly, looking at the county's privacy and legislation and policies. So this has been a very rich and informative discussion. I do want to wrap up our meeting. Well, actually, we do have public comment on items not on the agenda. So I'll save my closing comments until we hear from any other members of the public who wish to speak again on items that are not on the agenda. So please go ahead and fill out your speaker card now or raise your hand and we'll take speakers who turn in their cards or raise their hands by 1117. Collar you're on the line we're on public comment you have two minutes John John Yeah, John Guerrero-Fremont again. I reviewed your presentations on you know, no your rights and also attended the Presidents Halpert's town hall as they presented one of the things that you guys are leaving out is that if ice shows up at your door with a valid warrant and they will have a valid warrant they're not just going around putting you know knock them on random doors they have information that of a criminal it may be residing at that residence and they get a warrant from a judge, a valid warrant, and when they show up with a valid warrant, you should advise those, whoever you're talking to, that if they have a valid warrant, they do not resist to do anything to resist them at that point will result in a felony. It is a felony to a harbor, to aid in harbor a criminal, especially of ISIS after them. You just keep telling them that if they don't have a valid warrant, then you don't have to do anything. Well, of course, any law enforced when you show this up without a valed war, you know, you don't have to obey. That is just, you know, common sense. But tell them if they have a valed war, which they will have. Do not resist. Do as they say. Open the door. Let them in. Thank you. Brian. Thanks. We'll be real quick. Brian, hope for executive director of Secure Justice. Partly because the county is helping us with this event, just do a promotion. April 12th here in Oakland at the Oak stop venue at 10 a.m. Secure justice and many many other organizations including like EFF and care and others, Alameda County's Public Defenders Immigration Unit. We're doing a combined privacy self-defense workshop and immigration, no your rights training, 150 people, free and open to the public, we'll have translators, childcare, lunch, etc. We're gonna be opening registration prior within the next week, but you can go to the Secure Justice website to get updates and we'll be asking our county and elected officials to also just help without reach on that as well. Thanks. Mindy, we're on public comment. You have two minutes. So I have a few questions for Supervisor Nikki Furtona-Bass and for everybody else who's supporting these programs. Why is it that you will not go after and half of this county a program that will actually go after the drug pushers and the criminals? Why do you keep pushing this kind of scare tactics and twisting what actually ICE and President Trump are trying to do to stop the criminality? It was never stated that it was threatening anybody as an immigrant in this city in this country. So my question to you is why are you continuing to push this instead of caring about the people who actually live in your county? You've made something of it, you've created a false dichotomy and you've created a false narrative. And this is costing people's lives. And I want that to resonate with people. You say you're about protecting people? No, you're actually destroying lives. And that needs to be changed. And I would like to know from it personally you won't go after the drug cartels, why you won't go after the networks of political and financial layers in this city and state and this county that are allowing children to be killed offentinal, laced fentanyl who were never taken a bit of drugs, where you're allowing people to live in the kind of condition that we see on the streets of Oakland. Why isn't that your passion? And I actually am saying to you, give an answer. You owe it to the public, you owe it to those who you so-called serve, and you don't deserve a small community. You serve every Oakland. Jackie, we're on public comment. You have two minutes. Thank you. Tuesday night, March 4, 2025, we witnessed the Democrat Party's disgraceful anti-American circus at President Trump's State of the Union. While Trump laid out a vision to secure our borders and restore law, Democrats salt sneered and staged their performative defiance, proof that they despised this nation's sovereignty. They'd rather coddle illegal border crossers and dictators from foreign countries than defend the taxpayer' footing their bill. They insulted victims of violence due to their policies, and don't get me started on their hypocrisy. These self-proclaimed champions of women just voted down a common sense measure to keep men out of women's sports. Yes, biological men trampling female athletes dreams. They crow about equality, but when it's time to protect women's fairness, they caved to the woke mob. It's a slap in the face to every girl sweating it out on the field. Every mother watching her daughter lose to fraud. Democrats don't support women. They sacrifice them to the altar of political correctness. This isn't progress. It's betrayal. Their ant antics Tuesday night and they're spineless votes. Show one thing. They'll burn America down to score cheap points. Shame on them. And they're killing California left and right. And this county is going to go down as well. If they continue with the woke policies that previous supervisors who ran cities like to thank the committee members for their support and support. I would like to thank the committee members for their support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support and support andC Oakland, but also as a member of the community. I've lived in Oakland for the past eight years to thank the committee for their work and to say that, you know, in contrast to some of the comments that we've heard today, I am and Mindy used the phrase false dichotomy. I think this, the metaphor she's making is a total false dichotomy in the sense that, we're here to support immigrants and refugees and other members of a community, not at the expense of the other members of the community. I've seen and support your work to elevate all members of the community in Oakland and Elimita County. And I support that. And I thank you for the work being done on this committee but also the work you do to address some of the problems that others have mentioned which are also very important to me. And I know important to everyone in this room in addition to supporting immigrants and those under threat from the new administration. Thank you. Gerald,'re on public comment. You have two minutes. Last caller. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Can you hear me okay? Yes. Yes. I think these supervisors should join with President Trump to save 175 billion, which the faker Barbaraber Lee, the so-called anti-war person, Barber Lee, spent 175 billion for a useless war in Ukraine. What kind of anti-war, pro-people person, waste 175 billion that could be used to help immigrants, to help people, et cetera, etc etc. Why don't you take a leaf out of Governor Nusom's book all of a sudden he's come out against men and women boys and girl sports He's actually trying to apply some common sense where's your your common sense? And now I'm just going to tell you a little about a common sense approach to stopping drugs. In May 2023, Mayor London Breed launched Drug Market Agency Coordination Center, which activates the DEA State of California Police. state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the state of California, the.9 kilos, and phetamine. And when they traced the people, on November 19, 2024, officers located one of the drug pushers, Rodger or D's Oakland, in the Fulton Larkin area, another one from the Sinaloa Cartel, 8700 block of Holley Street in Oakland, California. This is the DEA. They've had to go to... No additional speakers. Thank you again, everyone, for participating. I do want to reiterate that the intent of this committee, the mission of this committee is to protect the health and safety of all Alameda County residents. We do live in a democracy and that means everyone has their right to free speech, their right to express differing opinions. It doesn't mean that we necessarily condone or agree with some of the opinions that are expressed. And in fact, I do think it's important to ensure and make sure the public knows that we don't tolerate any racist or xenophobic comments. I also want to share that the Attorney General, as well as a coalition of cities and counties, are being very proactive in terms of challenging a number of the federal actions as unconstitutional. So just because someone says something doesn't mean it's true and just because someone issues an executive order does not mean it's constitutional and I am very hopeful that with us being informed to prepared and organizing together that justice will prevail. And finally I do want to note a couple resources. The Alameda Immigrant Legal Education Partnership or a SEALIP is an important resource. There's information there to know your rights as well as for the Rapid Response Hotline. And that website is acilep.org. In addition, my team is keeping a webpage up to date regarding this committee's activities. We will be uploading links to videos of the last meeting as well as this meeting and other resources. And you can find that page at district5.acgov.org slash act hyphen for hyphen all, ACT hyphen FOR hyphen all. And with that, it's 1127, the meeting's adjourned. Thank you.