We begin to find out exactly where they're heading with this with the with the project. My issue with the DRB has always been that the planning board always ruled. 5.45 pm. This is a workshop of the South Miami City Commission. To those here in the sense we apologize for the delay. Madam Clerk, do you need to call the roll? and the I'm here for N a minute? Present. Commissioner Baudnish. Here. Commissioner Cagin. Here. Commissioner Roger gets it here. He gets here. You have a call. Thank you. Is the manager coming in, Sam? Okay, colleagues. I think when we last met a our partners here at 13 floor regarding progress on the development of a site plan and program. So, let's say the manager wants to add something by way of opening remarks, chip, you good or should we get to the presentation by 13th floor? Okay. Okay, so Mr. Melendee, you're going to be handling the honors on behalf of the team? Good evening, Marin and commission. I am not going to do the honors. I'm going to hand it off to our young architect, the in-house architect, David, who is going to do an amazing presentation. Fantastic. As we grow them today, accordingly. Okay. Again, David, your name and address for the record. Thank you. So, David Venomu, I'm with 13th floor,, 2850 Tiger Tail Avenue, suite 701, Miami, Florida, 33133. So thank you, thanks everyone. Since we presented the RFP few months back, we've had great engagement with the city and staff. We've also learned a number of new things, exciting things about what the, you know, the deeper level of understanding of the intent of some of the elements that we had presented back then. So naturally, what we had proposed back then has shifted in ways that we think are great and beneficial. So I'm going to take the next few slides to walk you through it. From now on, everything you'll see is brand new. So I'm going to flick back and forth real quick. But basically, one of the most important points we learned was about the Jan Wily Spark. Previously, our proposed relocation of the Jan Willis Park, even though it technically met the square footages, the fact that it wasn't connected or intimately connected with the underlying, we realized was a bigger pain point than we thought. So we worked on that. At the same time, the city hall building, so the city hall building, we didn't quite understand a number of things about the square footages. We just had a number of square footages we had to meet and we placed them. But now we've gathered a great understanding of what goes inside it. So this is the new plan. First of all, let me test this. So the Jan Willy Spark, not only is it now bigger, it's also completely fronting the underlying. So it's not only is it is it is it now bigger it's also completely fronting the underlying so it's not not only bigger in terms of square footage it's but it's also perceived bigger because it's it's it's directly abouting it at the same time the city hall building instead of being surrounded by the residential building it's now right in between sunset and the underline. With the underpass that we had presented before, but we still have it in this new iteration, is now connecting the direct pedestrian connection and that by the way that happens right here, is the direct connection between the underline and sunset drive. So that's the footprint of the redevelopment. And you can see the previous, well, the existing, sorry, the existing general release park at 28,000 square feet is now sent to about theline at 32,000 square feet. And that's obviously not including the expansiveness of the underline itself. In addition to that, it's completely surrounded by active uses such as the residential lobby or commercial spaces. And then the other side by the different uses of the civic building, namely the library on the upper right-hand corner, a lobby for the city hall, which takes you to the upper floors, we'll get into the civic building in a minute and then some of the footprint of the police station which we now understand that must happen at the ground floor. So this addresses that. So moving forward, I'm just going to quickly glance through the rest of the floor plans. We can come back to them. But from a massing standpoint, we have the residential components on the left-hand side and the civic building Right here on the right-hand side with a pedestrian connection For a number of things part part of it for the police uses that happen at the ground floor and for the parking garages which are within the residential component Moving on Same thing from a different angle. So we're looking from the northeast. We have sunset drive on the right-hand side of the screen and the metro mover here on the left with the underlying. And you can see the civic building now, well, directly facing both the sunset and the on the right. So we do recognize, and this is, by the way, it's a very simple math thing, but we do recognize that there needs to be a prominent articulation facing sunset drive. Now that we have the buildings facing this way, in addition, one of the big changes also, you'll notice that the residential buildings are no longer facing directly facing the underlying. So from a noise perspective, it also helps a lot. Let me move on. I think we saw this image already. So digging into the programming of the Civic Building. So we ran two parallel exercises to bring the signs the signs into what the actual requirements are for this civic building. One on the left hand side driven by, you know, it was in-house, an in-house calculation driven by mostly intuitive factors such as what are the existing spaces on the current city hall? Or we interviewed staff, we ran through current head counts and projected head counts for the staff, the whole operation of the city. And then, you know, we applied some reasonable future growth factors. This arrived us to a number, which by way of reference, the RFP number was roughly 55,000 square feet for these uses. We landed at 30,000 square feet. At the same time, the city hired a third-party professional, specifically commissioned to to make this similar exercise. And in addition to the obvious intuitive stuff that we considered, they also brought stuff that was at least new to me, the important standards that the police department had to comply with, the Kalea standards. And obviously through their expertise and future growth factors and all these compliance elements, they landed at 41,000 square feet. So this is the input for our architect, Corgul, which by the way they created pretty much everything you see on screen today. So this will be their input to really hone down on what the layouts are going to be of each and every office, everything inside the building, which is not laid out at this moment. So we may as well land close to this number, maybe less than the number if the building happens to be more efficient or maybe slightly higher if the building happens to be less efficient than we anticipate. So with that said, here's a close up of what you saw earlier, the footprint of the library, the footprint of the city hall with direct access to the elevators to take you to the upper floors, and then the footprint of the police department with the sali port and all the elements that must happen at the ground floor. These are the other floors. So second floor is a police station. Third and fourth floor are for the city hall. The library at the ground floor also has a second story mezzanine call it. So with that said, here's the, while here's the massing, you can see the different colors with the uses, pretty straightforward. And here it is. So, the city hall building, as it stands today, on the right-hand side, that this would be a direct entrance to the library facing the underline. the design you see on the right-hand side that this would be a direct entrance to the library facing the underline. The design you see on this part of the underline is the actual construction, come from the actual construction drawings of the underline. So we tried to stay as true as possible to that. Sorry, it's on that point. I thought they don't have plans yet for the shoulder activities on this opposed to go there or there's to have basically, is this a basic plan or is this the activities on plan? Well, sorry. Just curious. This is the plan that the underlying has sent to us as their current plan. Okay. So if they're going to expand on the actual children's playground and what they're purchasing for that playground that we don't have. But this is their layout with their hardscape. Thanks. So this particular angle doesn't make it evident, but this is the access to the underpass underneath the building. So this other angle probably shows it a bit better. So technically, that's sunset drive, right across the underpass. This would be the overpass to the parking garage and then the driveway that circumvents the property. So that's another benefit of this new site plan is that we have a, basically a loop within the parking that does not intersect the park. So it's a free drive, it's a drive that cuts across. I can switch back to the ground floor in a minute. The view from Sunset Drive with the library, again, facing both sides. And this would be the lobby to the residences, the bridge, and then the civic building. Let me see if there's anything else, I. So yeah that sounds it up. If I may summarize so we've been working on many iterations of these plans and the the the the out the goal was from our first presentation we realized in collaboration with the city that the maximizing of the space for the park was really important and making cohesive park with the underlying and really celebrating that urban park environment was important. Also visiting the site and understanding the site and understanding the window of wrong button. The window that's created, the windowing that is created by the metro rail into the site, whether you're going north or south was something that really needed to be celebrated. And by doing that, you have this windowing situation as you're going south on US1 and you're going north on US1. In this case, you have an FNB, what would be more than likely be an FNB commercial concept, facing that park with outdoor dining, outdoor bar where people can come, sit, enjoy a drink, and have their children playing in the park. That was a major goal of this revised plan. The other major goal that this achieved, we wanted to minimize the visible circulation and hardscape for vehicles on site. And if you think back to our old plan, there was a lot of circulation in the park was intersected by roads. And in this case, what we've been able to do is the roads come into the property and once they're in the property they actually connect and they go through the buildings so all of your circulation with exceptions of this one along the edge of the building here circulates inside the building you can circulate all the way through and come through to each one of these buildings even though they're built in separate phases that was a was a major factor that we thought was really beneficial. We keep the main entrance. We really wanted to emphasize that main entrance. And now City Hall, to David's point, is no longer just fronting sunset. Now it's got a major window, both on sunset and from US one and the business district. So we think it's a major improvement to our previous plan. There's always good side. There's always downsides to everything. There's given take. But we think that this struck a healthy balance. The office square footage, I think, is important know both of the data we drove, the data the consultants drove, we can now, now we have it on writing, now what we need to do is perfect that start laying out all of the spaces in the office we may find it to be more efficient. We may be able to cut some square footage. We may find it to be a little less efficient in certain departments where we have to add square footage. But this gives us a good template. And the whole goal was to get everybody's comments from here forward and try to perfect this plan. It'll evolve and it'll continue to evolve until the day we build. We start breaking ground, right? So we're always going to be agitating this process and trying to do the best. but ultimately I'm gonna leave you with what are some beautiful renderings. Obviously this is meant to be an ongoing conversation. The City Hall Office Building Albert from Corwell Architecture obviously took a stab at what he liked. The design, we wanted to put some nice fenestration across the glazing. It could be less clear, more clear, we can play with it, but one big feature that we really want to highlight is the three story pass through that connects sunset to the underlying. I think it's an amazing hero shot, windowed by the train and US one. Happy to take any questions. Colleagues, questions? What's your guy here recognized? Mr. Melan, is any way we can go back to the police separation? It seems like we have two different facilities. Sally Port versus... So... Here we go. So, Sally Port is in the garage. It's built into the garage of the North Tower. And then has conveyance systems that would take you up to the bridge that connects to City Hall. So we have the police lobby on the first floor of that building. No access really to the street, right? Is that so? So yeah, there's a lobby here facing the street that allows access right across from City Hall. So City Hall lobby and police lobby are kind of staring at each other. Right. So we're letting on that slide. Do you have the ground floor or side of the ground floor of the garage? Yes. Yeah, the other way. There you go. So the Sally Port sits on that south portion of the garage, and you have circulation coming in here, and police would use, I would imagine we would secure this area for police. And then that building on the right, the smaller city lobby coffee shop, that's a what one story building? No, that's it's the whole building. That's the whole building. It's part of the building. There's a breezeway, a three story breezeway separating you from the, from the library. So to give you actually this. Oh, okay, never mind, never mind, never. I got it. See right there. See that. Yeah, but I got lost on the side. So this is. Yeah, so that's the city hall lobby, police, and then the library on the other side. Yeah, my apologies. comments, comments, questions done? To missher. I only had one comment. I I shared it with Mr. Melendia and that is the Sunset facing building where we're seeing now something that we hadn't seen previously which is essentially the spine of the building is what faces sunset, the beauty is what faces US one. And so we have to find a way that the interaction albeit short when you're in your car driving down sunset That it doesn't feel like the building is eating you You know like you do on us one so eating. I'm sorry You mean like it the massing is imposing on the street? Yep, and so I don't have a perspective of the of a street view So you can kind of get a sense of what the relationship is to the street. Yeah, so the commission is referring to this long. So this is, and she's absolutely right, this is a long, this is one of the trade-offs, right? So this is one of the, one of the cons of the park situation. So this is a very long wall along the drive of sunset. So we've integrated this break in the building, but we, and I've had several conversations with the architect about creating a horizontal break as well, and trying to articulate more this elevation, so it's not so overpowering on sunset. And I happen to agree. So that's a work in progress that we'll work on. How wide is that floor plate? I'm on the dimension. How deep is that floor plate? That floor plate is going to be, what is it? Sure, it's got to be 45, 50, right around 90 feet. Yeah, right, it should. Roughly 90 feet. Sorry, no, the frontage along sunset. Oh, the front is long sunset. A long sunset. It's long, but it's not that it's long, but it's not horrible. Okay, so it's a I would I mean. Just visual interest. It needs articulation. Exactly. We don't have to take away from the building. We just need to add. We need to create articulation in the buildings. We come. We're with you. That's 150 feet for just the residential building, not the entire. Yeah, that's just the tower, the tower front face of the tower, fronting sunset. Which the code seconds, because the code suggests you do have a certain perspective. If you can, the microphone, if you can, your name and address and microphone, thank you. Sergio Rodriguez from Coral Architects, 4210, like one of street coragules. So the code requires you to have a certain percentage of frontage along sunset. So this kind of goes along with that, rather than recessing the buildings back, we're trying to front them, but like Ray said, we're going to have breaks every for a certain amount of food, horizontal and vertically. Comments, any further comments? So really my only comment again is if you go back to the ground floor plan. I we've talked about this privately and so I'll just share with my colleagues. I'm not enamored with the corner condition right across the park. With the and Sally port there. I'm wondering whether That storage can be flipped to the northern side and the Police lobby At the ground floor rotated So it kind of hugs the corner. So it faces south. Yeah faces south in east, right? So it's not just only expressing itself to the east. So right now, the police lobby, which is the only portion that I grow for that's going to be activated, faces exclusively east, right? And then that northern facade on the edge of the park is pretty much, I'm going to say, dead space, right? It's just parking and storage. So you've got, you know, ideally, and I don't know, again, one of the drawbacks here is we have a we're going to have a highly activated, right, west side of the park, and then kind of avoid on the northern side. So, you know, we're going to have each end, hopefully activated with a civic use on one end, a commercial use on the other, I would be hate for people to be staring into a park and a blank wall there. So I think if you rotate the lobby of the police department around, I'm sure with that, if you can work it around the cores, so the portion of the lobby is on with the police storages, and it comes further south, at least have some activation of that frontage, as opposed to just kind of a blank wall condition for the majority of it, yes, Mr. Manager. Mayor, and just to add to that, because it's part of that envelope too, I think there's a little bit of work to do how the operations impact location. And so you know, you know, Constable Sally Port, you may bring in a subject who's been arrested, but they have to be moved to the holding cell and the space in between those two is critical and it's important. So we have to consider what that journey looks like because we may not necessarily want a subject who could be violent and bad. Yeah, into public spaces right and walk them from. So I think we need to kind of think about that and work on that, which is part and parcel of your conversation about where that should lie. But relative to the holding cell and the transition between the two is important as well that we need to chat a little bit about. So is that parking that's got an entrance from the south side of that garage just a grade exclusively for police? The way the circulation is intended to work? Yeah, this entrance here is designed to come in and feed the Sally Port. Yeah, but so those are just police and patrol parking spaces. I agree. I agree. Completely aggrade police. So they're not circulating through the garage in order to get to the salivary. OK, so they would not be accessing the garage from the entrance on the east to south of the lobby. Correct. The residential building. Correct. They wouldn't have a need to. OK. We envision that being gated off within the garage, at some point, with right-tech doors, high-speed right-tech doors that close as soon as the cars go through, then you're in the secured space, and then they can transport any individual that may be apprehended. And then concern would be, when they get there, they get a process, I'm in walking them from the Sally Port to the holding cell area and that transition if it's in a public domain we we got to like chat about that a little bit. I think what we should do is we shall we this needs further development and I think what we need to do is revisit it now you know based on our conversation. I agree you know I agree that this activation is not the best across from the park, so we should look at this and we've spoken, I've spoke to Albert about the architect about this condition. So we're gonna look at that. I think, you know, again, there's trade-offs, right? We think it's really important to have a private drive entrance for them where they have a secure entrance and they can come in and access the Sally Port at grade. But maybe the Sally Port can move, you have to trade something off, right? So either the Sally Port moves further north and then the bridge connections in a different location. And this driveway comes in further back and we create some type of vestibule here or uses that face the park and create some activation, which I think is your ultimate goal. But those are all things we can work through and I think what really needs to happen is there needs to be an active working session with the architectural team, my team, and the cheaper police and his staff to work through the Sally Port and to your point, Mr. Manager, the lack of a better term, the walk-a-shame. Where's the Sally Port here on campus? It's on the west side of the building. So as, where the fuel station is, you see the big overhead doors. So what happens there is pull in those doors closed. And then immediately to it is a door that when you open that you're within maybe 20 feet of a holding cell 30 feet. So it's a very sort of seamless not public transition and you know chief and I just was comparing briefly on it you know sometimes it's okay and sometimes it's not right it's a you have very combative person person during that transition between where you pull in and we're in the holding cell. So we have to be mindful of that because we certainly wouldn't want that from a public standpoint having to go from one building to another in a public sort of domain. I mean, could we have the actual holding cell on the second level of the garage? It just didn't have to be within the footprint of the. It certainly has, he's designed the solution. It's not 100% shown, so let him. Yeah, we thought about it. So the way we have it is we have the salivator with two ports. And then right after the salivator, you have a vestibule. You have one dedicated elevator that takes you to the second floor through the bridge to the police station. And then the other elevator that you see there is specifically for the police department officers and visitors or you have. Yeah, but I think there are independent circulation. But the bridge is shared public circulation. It is divided into two. So I guess my question is, can we go to the second level floor plan? Okay, so I guess the problem with that one, but I suggest that it's like, a purely efficiency garage. Oh, the blow-up. Yeah, yeah, the blow-up. No, just the second level floor plan, yeah. Right, no, no, no. No, there's a blow up, but be honest. It's the other way. I think I, if you can go back to slides, that's where I want to stop. What do you want? I don't want to show me the second level floor plan. I want to avoid it. I'll check right more. There you go. so you can see the bridge divided into a secure hallway. I never sure. So how does that work? So one side you can't see in and then the other side is glass. There'll be a wall between make you could have glass on both on the outside but the one there'll be in the middle. You'll have a solid wall that divides the two hallway. So you have a security police station, police use for inmates, and then separately the... Okay. For office work. Yeah. I was gonna ask that question because I don't think sitting in the park and watching, getting someone get arrested walking down the... It can be delayed, it can be glass by the way. It doesn't need to be, it can be a solid wall, it can be crossed in glass, it can be... We can be the last by the way it doesn't need to be could be there don't have to be a solid wall it can be frosting glass it could be we could transport people in the uh it doesn't bank tubes you know make it uh make it a tour's attraction but that's that's facing sunset where it would be it could be either one televaders or we get oh yeah you could flip yeah we don't have the a south elevator B1U or the other. It doesn't, it doesn't really matter. I think on that, I would say just keep it cohesive as far as, if you do like strong mirror glass or whatever it is, just keep it on both sides. Yeah. So I was going to, I was going to, yeah, I'm a little concerned about the distance. If you can go back to the second level floor plan, further back at the presentation. Yeah, for the garage. For the garage. So essentially, if you took it to the second story, we just kill the efficiency of the circulation like Raj. Okay. I mean that would be, I think the ideal solution you have a holding cell on the second level, whether it's in the physical space of the police departments. You know what? Go back. So one thing that can be done. Move storage. You see the columns that are holding the roof? What we could do is extend the garage, leave the ground floor as a drive under, as a portacreshare that you drive under. And so we don't affect the circulation, or we just lose a few spaces here, because the parking spaces are 20 feet deep. You can create an access with a secure area, with a secure hallway that feeds, what could be holding cells here. What do you prefer to do? What do you mean holding cells of gray views of a park? We don't have to give views. Yeah, I'm not. But then you're further submitting the park. We don't have to give views. Yeah. But then you're further spreading in the local department. Correct. Now you're high, you're fragmenting the information. Yeah. All of that. You guys. I think you want them together. But we, again, we can work through. Yes, Madam Commissioner. If go to the first floor for me for a second, please. Do you see all the police storage? Can you put a holding cell there and move that police storage? Yes, we do, but there's some, based on the recommendations from the consultant. There's some specific type of storage that needs to happen on the garage and ideally on the ground floor. Right. There's the storage for impounded stolen evidence, things of that nature that we need. So that's kind of the right place to do it. The other problem with putting holding cells there is, that's not really a staffed area. I don't believe it'll be staffed. And I think the police department's gonna wanna have, they need to have staff that's monitoring any inmates, right? Or anybody that's been arrested. So I think having it in a satellite space like that would create a burden on staff. And would you, would it make any sense to lose some of that parking to make that a more usable space? Sure. We can bring that what is in pink or fuchsia. That can go deeper and make it larger Because this we assume this would all be used for police That would be the plan so that again those are all operational things that yeah, we can do here But at the end of the day, I think that's gonna take a deeper die of course with with staff and the chief Yeah, because I see 21 spaces there. I don't know if that's. It could be more the right staffing level. Yeah, it could be more. It's expendable. There are portions of the circulation, the north circulation and the garage that could be allocated for the police. And the storage would it kill your parking if he put it on the second floor? Leave everything as is and just put the storage on the second floor It's not only the parking is a circulation to that right, right? How do you grant a Police circulation to that and you want to be you want the police storage in a secured area So unless we're gonna secure that portion of the garage then it It doesn't really belong in an area where it's not secured. I understand. Especially your evidence and confiscated materials. Commander, how many people do we arrest in process a year? Cheers, rough numbers. I mean, is it 50, 100? Are you asking for my holding perspective? Yeah. I think that we hold a lot less, right? In the jail? And they're local jail? Sorry. I asked the question for the following reason. Sorry. You're transport within hours. I asked the question for the following reason. Or at the time, we got limited space. We got to allocate. And obviously it's a very important function. Question is, you know, how is this the right place to allocate? It's kind of the reason I'm asking the question. So how many how many folks do we actually process through our Sally board over here? I'd say about a hundred or under. Okay. Yeah, and from that perspective, I'm just looking at the the layout and it's hard for me to see from back there. Yeah, my concern to the manager's point was the walk of shame. If you will the distance that is That is probably one of the most combative times when we encounter prisoners taking them out of the vehicle and placing them in a whole facility is because we have to do our search and remove everything from them and remove our weapons as well. So our weapons would be staying wherever that is. and then from a, as the gentleman pointed out, a remote monitoring perspective. If we have an inmate that goes into a medical emergency and my officer is all the way back over into the police department having to respond back to that holding cell could be problematic and then we'd have to look at what are the detention requirements per the state for us to have a temporary detention facility and what proximity that must be to an individual officer. What was that? Sorry. I think we should leave this with them. I think we're not going to. Yeah, I'm just wondering whether it should be, again, for the uneducated, whether this part of our operations should happen on sunset drive, right? So it's almost like if a lay-by. Which part? Which part? This kind of, this circulation is moving to people. And whether you have like a cradle lay-by on the northern end of what's now the library ground floor. That becomes your police, you know. Create a, create a, the vehicles actually have to roll into the space or can they park curbside, walk the perpetrator across the sidewalk and into a secure facility. Most salient ports are in a secure facility as we have here. Okay. It's gated on both ends. It doesn't need to be a solid board necessarily but they're usually gated to restrict access and movement of any prisoner that would be tall enough high enough for emergency vehicles coming in the medical emergency. They need to be in a secured area as well. So sometimes they pull in into that Sally port. So consideration for the height of that. So right now the design is as the police officer comes into this, does he? So sometimes they pull in into that Sally Port. So consideration for the height of that. So right now the design is as the police officer comes into this designated parking area for the police. There's what a gate. There'll be a roll down gate that comes down and secures that. Like the one we have here. On the microphone please, just sorry. Yeah, sorry. Like the one we have here, basically the car driving the roll down. I haven't seen the one here, but But yes the car of the vehicle roll in and it'll have a speed door that rolls down and closes that space So that I mean that's that's a pretty secure space like that I think the chief's point is and he's got a good point is it because I've Unfortunately handled a few people in that situation and the walking getting putting them in an elevator coming up and walking walking across that corridor is a contentious situation at times, especially when you're in a confined space. And that officer is either one or two guys alone, walking who can be a combative. So that's something I think we just all need to think about. And I think we sit down with the architect and really work that out. But I'm very familiar with unfortunately, I live that life for a little while, so I understand it. And he's got a point. I just thought of the walk of shame. It was a great place for pictures and images and selling tickets, theater seats. Just want to clarify, say you live that life, but you didn't say which side it was? Yeah, I know. Yeah. I'm going to refrain from it. OK, further questions? Comments. say which side it was. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to refrain from it. Okay, for the questions, comments. Mr. Melendia, I thought I saw a site plan that had retail facing Jean-Willis Park proposal. Have you guys played with that already? Site plan showing retail on the south side of the building facing Jean-Willis. So there's this here, well this is what we're called the new Gene Park. So this is retail, that's about David 8000, square feet, sorry to do. More or less? Yeah, more or less 8000 square feet of retail facing Gene Willis Park. This would be a great FNB restaurant with a satellite little bar and and seating outside I think it's spectacular I think it's an amazing place we put some shade trees and I think you never had a proposal where or some type of site plan actually had it on the north side of the park there like not not not on this plan not on this plan but do you, I thought I saw one. We did, the original concept. Yeah, you're right. No, no, no, not the original concept. No, with this new concept. No. You never had that? No, no, no. And the mayor brought that concept up that we want to look at and revisit this location and see what the right location is. But rather than do that in a vacuum, I think we should probably do that in conjunction with. Right, I think the two things I would study, you know, is again, the functionality, the Sally port, right? Yep. And that corner, but I also, you know, begs the question, is the circulation where we have it at the northern edge of the park, where that circulation should happen, or should it happen elsewhere, underneath the building, or underneath a garage, right? So you can actually kind of yeah, so you can bring this if we can bring that circulation through here connect here. Correct. Actually have the building line the public space. So there is the opportunity to have it spill out and activate that square. I think that would probably be an attractive alternative. Well, if you circulate that that way we just have to find space for the enclosed police secured garage area but it would allow the building to grow out and consume what is the road today or possibly put some shallower retail vestibules there that don't need to be all that deep. You can put ice cream shops, things of that need to do in those locations that I think would be a great, a great use to the park. You've already done it on the West Side building that you're doing that pass through. And I don't know that circulation needs to be segregated into the police apartment space. Right now it is. Right. It could be shared as long as the access. Yeah, he was secures at some point. Yes. What I don't want to see them have to do is circulate through the garage. Correct. Exactly. I agree. Yeah. Okay. Any other comments? Okay. Programatically everyone fine with the numbers that we're seeing. So we're about 13,000 square feet in change. So their first proposal was accurate financially. It's about a $7 million swing to our benefit. I'm not doing a rough math here. But so I think the discussion we had last time was, if this concept is fine, we'd bless it. So we could start actually moving to developing a term sheet that hopefully we could kind of discuss discuss our next meeting, yes sir. I was thinking about something that I brought up, you know, to different people is the concept of the civic building for lack of a better word. Right now we're at five stories correct? Four stories. Library, two city hall one police so what what would what would the commission and think about increasing the height and adding I don't just and I'll give you the reason why two stories for example if the city grows it gives us the ability to do so right so we have the space there in the meantime In the meantime, we can use it as revenue, income revenue that will help us offset a lot of things that we have going on. And it'll give us the ability to do more things in a city, for example, if we wanted to include a art gallery there, right? An art institute, art something. Another floor could be something more economic drivers, economic builders, startups, you know, a campus where we create more of this unified city, a true campus, whether it's medical, the ability to do so. Right now we're stuck at four stories. I would caution that we can probably go a little bit more and do a little bit more with it. And I know what you guys thought about that. That's it. We'd have to look at money. Yeah, it's right. We'd have to see. We know, but we would also have to see realistically. We know what the city's footprint is. We already will know zoning wise what we're going to theoretically max out as in when it comes to our city. So the same person that did the calculations that brought us to 40,000 square feet, if I'm more or less, should be able to extrapolate where we are now and where we would theoretically end up so that we know do we have enough space to grow here or not and if no what would we realistically need in the future. So that would feed into what you're talking about. So if they haven't taken that into account your idea is actually very smart. If they have already taken that into account and we're going to have empty space that could be used for what you're talking about. So I think it's a smart thing to take back to them, but not if it would be perpetually empty forever without us ever taking it up as a city. Well, it wouldn't be perpetually empty, right? But I don't want it to become like a, you know, for lack of a right word, a cherry space like a... If I may. So we built in in our numbers and in your consultants numbers we built in growth factors and again that will depend on once we start doing layouts on how that efficiency could get a little better, could get a little worse. Adding, I wouldn't add 30,000 square feet of office space to be least with the future possibility of expansion and growth, but you could consider we can add a floor to the building, we can add or take off in design phase, it's very easy, right? So we can run those numbers, we can do some analysis on market, office market conditions in this market, run a return on your investment and see what that looks like. And then you make a decision and we don't have to, we could take it off, put it on, right? We can decide it's almost like a Lego at this point, later on in life, let's not. Let me ask you, why aren't you proposing that as an execution? Why are we proposing? I think at one point you and I discussed the possibility of having spec office. Right. Why aren't you proposing it today? as an execution. Why are we proposing? I think at one point you and I discussed the possibility of having spec office, right? So why aren't you proposing it today? I didn't, we didn't propose it because we didn't think it was part of the overall goal. So it's, I think it left to, but am I wrong in thinking at one point you thought there was a market opportunity? I think it was, and as your perspective on that change is my other question. My perspective hasn't changed to a limited number of square feet. I wouldn't go crazy. I wouldn't go build a 40,000, 50,000 square foot office building here. But I think I would do 12,000 square feet. A floor of 15 of good thoughtful space that you can later grow into if the need occurs because I think it's a good idea, it gives you a good safety net, and it can create revenue. There are going to be some businesses that would like to be attached to city and be close to the city. There's businesses. I could see some medical office coming in here because you're right next to what will be the future, some of the future Baptist expansions. So I think there's a good concept. We'll run numbers on it and see what that return looks like, and then you can make a decision. But I think it's a good concept. We'll run numbers on it and see what that return looks like. And then you can make a decision. But I think it's a good thought. And I would underwrite it to see if it makes sense. I think the only concern with Met Office is it's parking utilization is a lot higher. So I'm not sure that it's compatible with this kind of a campus. I mean, I don't know if there's a spec office market opportunity. I probably would agree with Commissioner Guy and it's probably something worth thinking about and I do think less is more. I mean, I don't know if there's a back office market opportunity, I probably would agree with Commissioner Guy and it's probably something worth thinking about and I do think less is more if we do it. I agree. I've all heard it. I've all heard it. 12, 8 or 15,000 square feet. One more floor would probably be. That's it. Yeah. I think that's the right move. the parking, the good thing is your parking is heavily residential and the good thing is that your office they compliment each other when it comes to parking right so as your tenants leave in the morning to go to work the office starts to build up right so it's actually a really good use of your parking. Our parking so we're going on the parking. Whatever. Not today. That's today. Okay. Okay so like I guess programmatically we want to see an alternative with a fifth story. It's probably to have the conversation. Okay. All right. For the question that's it. Okay. Then we stand here.'m going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. opportunity as well to use that so I want to thank him for helping us get there. Okay. Just colleagues to recap next month we'll have a preliminary conversation on a term sheet and continue the conversation before we actually release our lawyers to start negotiating a perspective lease document. Can we, sorry Mayor. Yes sir go ahead ahead. Can we start working on kind of a schedule or what we want to start hitting? And we can use the goals, goals meeting that we have collectively since it's our major first thing on there anyway. Why don't we start working on a schedule? Like what are goals are first schedule and all that? And we can start writing that out. In terms of a timeline for the deal. I don't have time left, I'm on a basis. Make sure we're hitting that update. It's what we need. That's fine. When I'm visioning beyond these two very focused conversations on just programming then the deal terms is that as we kind of have our regular goals meeting every month, we will get an update on progress. Okay. But the schedule would be helpful. Okay. Yes, sir. Steve, turn you have a question. Just want to make sure we were following the schedule, right? So your expectation is the next commission meeting April 15th? No, no, no. Next. We had discussed another workshop beginning of the next month in May. Okay. We could hopefully have an outline of a, you know, L.O.I. or a term sheet for us to digest and begin to talk about. Okay, we're certainly shooting for that. Okay, perfect. Okay. For the comments, questions? Seeing none, we'll stand adjourned. Thank you.