Good morning everyone. I'm going to call to order this morning's Charlotte County Code Enforcement Special Magistrate hearing for April 23rd, 2025. Let me start out by thanking you all for coming and what I'm going to ask you to do next is this is a quasi-judicial hearing which means in each case the county you've received a notice you've received a notice violation indicating that there is a potential violation of either the Florida building code, Charlotte County code, or the International Property Maintenance Code with respect to your property. I'll call each case based on who's here in attendance first. When the case is called, the Co-Enforcement Officer, Responsible for the Case, Officer Roadhorse for all these cases I believe today will present his initial evidence. If he proves to me that there is at least a prima facie case that there is a potential violation of the property, only then will I ask you to come up and speak. If he cannot make the initial case that there is violation of the property, I'm going to dismiss the case. So I'm going to ask you all to do is when your case is called, please come up to the stand, but I'm going to ask you not to testify against yourself until such time as I actually determine that there's at least potential violation. If I find ultimately that there is a violation, what I'm going to do is I'm going to enter in an order finding the violation and giving you directions to how to come into compliance. I had a time frame which to do that. And so at that time, what I'd like to hear from you, one, first, if you disagree with the county's position, and if you have any evidence you'd like to present to rebut the county's assertion that there is a violation. Two, how much time and what steps you've already taken to get the property into compliance, because that does weigh in on my order and how much time and I will impose to correct the issues. Now I know that today we're all here because these are homes resulting from hurricane damage, and that that is a significant hardship on everyone involved involved and there's a very difficult time period in finding out what you can repair, how much the cost of that is and even finding contractors and people who are willing to do the work. So I'm completely understanding and that's why we're having this meeting on a special date just for these cases. What I'm going to ask you to all do right now is to stand up and be sworn in. If you're here just to support someone, but you might have some evidence that you use some testimony about when things happen, that might be helpful, I'd ask you to stand up as well and be sworn in. Please raise your hand. Do you follow me swear that testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth nothing but the truth if so please answer I do Now this will all become this whole process will become apparent and Second nature to all of you once you've seen the first couple go through so with that I'm gonna give some additional latitude to the first case And that is case item B on the agenda COD 25-00164, a property at 50-40 North Beach Road Building 3 and Englewood, Florida. These screens aren't working. If you guys are presenting anything. Dave. Dave. These screens aren't working. If you guys are presenting anything. Dave. Dave. Do the screens up here? I'll do the screens. This should be... Gary Roddhoor certified code compliance officer for Charlotte County. The address of the violation is 5040 North Beach Road. The zoning is MMF 10, Minnesota Multifamily 10. The owner of record is Coco Kai. On January 13, 2025, an inspection was conducted, and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricane screening, dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures, and equipment. There has been no permit issued for the repair or demolition of the unsafe, dangerous structures. During the investigation, photographs of the property were taken. I would like to offer the photographs into evidence as County Composite, this is building one. You're saying building three. I am building three. Oh, sorry, you representing. There's a couple cases for this property because I know it's a six units in the building. Six units. Let me, let me make sure I've got those. They're all at the end there. Okay. Just for clarification, Item B on the list is for the association. Okay. And then down under, let's see from RST, UV and W are all the individual property owner units. Okay, well let's, let's, I'm sorry, sirs, What are your names? I'm Matthew Stein Matthew psych I'm David sheer. Okay And are you guys also representing the the association on this issue? Yes, okay, okay, what I just want to make sure that when we're talking about the individual units and the associate, we got it all combined. Would it be easier from the county's perspective to handle them all as one? Because I don't wanna give conflicting orders on different issues. If no one is opposed to that, it would be the shortest route. I think they're all built exactly the same. The only difference in the photographs for all of them is each one has a close up photograph of the posting, but other than that, all the photographs are the same. Okay, but he said these are for those photos for building one. This is this violation for building three. Is that just because of it's the association headquarters? Okay, this is the unit item B on the list is for the association of Cocoa Kai at 5040. And then each parcel, each unit has its own parcel ID number. So there's unit 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 as well. So let's do this. What I'm going to do is for purposes of, and I believe the county got either an app or notice from the owners and the other properties that you would be representing. I'm going to go ahead and accept the photos for this case to cover all through R through was it. The remaining five cases. I do have photos for each. What are they different? As I said, there's one photo in each power point that is different. That shows the note. The posting itself. The posting itself. Okay. But other than that, everything is the same. Okay. Well, we'll deal with the posting issue separately. Make sure that notice is provided. But let's go through the case. I understand the overall issue before you deal with the individual ones. Okay. The notice on this particular property, the notice of violation was served by certified mail in accordance with Florida Chapter 162. I've not had communication with the owners regarding this case for the association. On April 16th, 2025, a conductive review of the Charlotte County permitting database, finding no permits issued for the repair or demolition of damaged structures. That does conclude my testimony and I do have building inspectors available if we have any technical structural questions. Okay, so this property as a whole was red tagged after the storm for damage. And so the county's already made its substantial damage determination on this? Yes it is. Okay. All right. So gentlemen, the the the county's allegation is that this property was damaged more than 50% of its of its structural value as a result of the hurricanes. And so what that, I'm sure as contractors working on it, I understand what that means. It either comes down or it gets test to be rebuilt. But at that level, it has to be rebuilt to the current codes. What did you want to testify to on this case? Well, the whole reason we have not demoed the building right now is because I have open insurance claims that have not been paid. Okay. And I was keeping this evidence basically. That's my unit right there to top one with a blown out. I'm very sorry for you, sir. Is there any, the entire structure is completely un-and-out and have it at this time? Yes, what happened is during Helena to undermine the foundation and obviously before we could get a repaired Milton, you know, with 17-foot waves or whatever they were just made to hold building collapse. And so the insurance claims are being processed through the Cocoa Kais Association? No, it's my personal name. He's got his two. Oh, three. So everyone's kind of going through on their own trying to get this done. Oh, Jesus. Yes, the first is a finger pointing between wind and flood. Mm-hmm. We have gotten some in the last two weeks checks for the flood side of thing. Okay. Wind is still up in the air right now. Okay. Have you guys made efforts to preserve the evidence, photographs, and everything else that you would need higher Disseparate adjuster or anything like that? No, he got quotes. I've got three different quotes for demo of the building. It currently we've filed just this month with the a woman who's representing She's a contractor for FEMA to get us some relief on the demo of the building. And we also filed with the another contractor for FEMA who's working with the county for demo with the building too. Well the reason I asked is because I know your first of all I already know that demolition on this will be expensive either way. And if the insurance company is not picking it up, then they're going to say that you didn't work to get a price that they're willing to pay for the insurance. But at the same time, I suspect that what the county's position is going to be is that this needs to come come down for her canes, and otherwise it's a potential risk to adjacent properties. So what I wanna make sure is I'm gonna enter in an order and I'm looking for a reasonable period of time for this to be cleaned up, because I don't want to add, quite frankly, I don't want to add to your troubles by leaning the property and adding to those costs, but I want to make sure that it comes, you know how much time and a reasonable time to get it taken down so that it's not a risk to your neighbors, or increases your cost of clean up after a storm comes through. Right. So, yeah, I don't, I've heard that it takes a long time to get the permit for the demo. But I guess that would probably be our next step to at least apply for the demo permit. OK. So it's in place. And the demo the demolition, you know, that takes time to get mobilized and everything too. Mr. Horton does the county or, does the county attorney's office, does anyone have a recommendation of when they need to see this taken out for hurricane? Our hopes were that it would be taken care of before hurricane season rolled around again. Because there's a lot of things that can blow right there. Right. So that was our hope and our intent and would be our request at the end of each case, basically. Okay. Point of information on that. It's taking between 60 and 90 days to get through the process of a demo permit or a demo on a property. And if you follow the recommendation of the county which is 30 days that puts us on the cusp of hurricane season and that 60 to 90 days is going to make it very challenging to get the properties addressed if we have to do it prior to the peak of hurricane season. So that's where a big concern is right now. And you're on or honor, that would stand the same if there are individuals that believe that they want to bring the property back into compliance and bring it up to code. It would be the same, basically, the same time frame that we're concerned over. Well, for this, I can see this being 690 days to get through the permitting and all that for a house, not so much. That would be a lot faster. I'm just trying to think of a reasonable timeframe. Gentlemen, your contract, one more step on, the contracts that you've talked in the quotes you've got from demolition companies, what has been their mobilization timeframe? Because it's not just the, I'm gonna get the permit, but then I gotta go out there and get my crews together to come and take it. Right now, I, you know, I, I I don't know can we get a permit for demo ourselves or does it got to be through a contractor. You're going to need a contractor for this. That's what I thought. Well I know which contractor I'm going to use. Put that way. Yes. Okay. Are they are they local? They will be able to move quickly. No, he's sir, so do I believe. Okay. No, sir. I was in Venice. Sean Cullinan, planning zoning official. I have been sworn. The permit turnaround time for demos is typically one to two weeks. If that, I would assume in the building officials here as well that these types of demo permits would be expedite permits. Demo permits are a lot easier to take something down than is to put something up in the reviews reflect that. Okay. All right, gentlemen, I'm going to, I'm gonna find what I'm gonna do is, I'm gonna wrap all these cases up in one. If the county, the officer rehearsed, the notices that went out to registered mail, did they all get returned? It was a mixed bag on, I can give you a list of what is what on COD 25-00586 for Unit 1. Okay, it was certified, but it was also posted on 588. It was posted. The certification has not come back yet. Or certified has not come back yet. 590 was both posted and served. Okay. 591 was posted. The services, the certified is not come back yet. 592 unit five was both certified and posted. And 595 was both certified and posted. That's for unit number six. Okay, so can you, can we pull up just just for the to make the record clean the postings for 588 and 591? Okay. What gentleman I'm going to do is I'm going to I'm going to make a single ruling and so that the timeframe for all the properties all the units are the same I just want to make sure that there are no No one saying they didn't they didn't have notice of the hearing so I want to make sure that the county properly noticed each each parcel Okay on on the screen is that five ninety eight. Yeah. Okay. And then part of the problem is some of our own rest. Of course. And I'm also covering you for this when they come back and they said, what do you mean you said? Check the building down Just want to make sure that they they're not going to say that they didn't have notice all right So gentlemen what I'm I'm going to do is for for all the cases affected on this I'm going to give you 90 days I think that's fine and and And what that 90 days is to get it done, get the work started, and that puts you right on the cusp of hurricane season. It also, luckily, is the early part of hurricane season. So I'm hedging a little bit on that, but I'm being realistic that it's going to take a little longer than expected to. One other question I'd like to ask is if you noticed in that first picture in the front of the building there's two trees on our property that I don't know how in the world they're standing. Do they have to come down? Is that your ask? Should those be taken out as part of the demo? You know what that's a a practical consideration. You probably want to talk when you go in to get the demo permit. Okay, I doubt they're required to, but you might want to have a clean slate when you get started. So this would be 90 days. It would be $100 fine per day after that. But I am going to grant the county, I didn't ask't ask for but I'm going to grant the county abatement in this case which means essentially that we come to 90 days and we're not moving forward on the demolition the county can move forward and do the demolition which means that they would lean the property and probably take it at the end of the day. We'd like to get it tore down as soon as we could. Okay. All right. Well, since I'm staying in a unit behind it, I got to look at it every day. I'm gonna, you know, my personal recommendation that not policy of Charlotte County is get the contract with the consign with the contractor because once the rainy season starts, things slow down quite a bit for them. And you need to get on their schedule so they can get it done. All right thank you gentlemen. Okay so that takes care of case 25 0 0 164. It takes care of CUD 25-0 586 0 5 8 8 0 5 9 0 and-0592 and 0595 all same order. Can you do that order later? I can do it. If you need me to tweak that order later I can do it. All right. Give me just a moment everyone. I'm going to have to item C on the agenda. COD 25-00166. properties at 965 Gulf Boulevard Unit 2 in England. Gary Roodle, we're certified Code Compliance Officer, Charter County. The address of the violation is 965 Golf Boulevard, 965 965, Galt Boulevard Unit 1, and 965, Galt Boulevard Unit 2. The zoning is MFF 7.5, or Manasota Multifamily 7.5. The owner of record is the Parker Living Trust. On January 13th, 2025, an inspection was conducted in the following violations of were found. A structure substantially damaged to hurricanes, creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures, and equipment. There's been no permit issued for the repair or demolition of the unsafe structure, unsafe or dangerous structures. During the investigation, photographs of the property were taken. I'd like to offer the photographs into evidence evidence as County composite exhibit number one Is there anyone here for this case? Man, could you please come up? I'm gonna ask you to confirm the photos in front of going to start with the first one. I'm going to start with the first one. I'm going to start with the first one. I'm going to start with the first one. I'm going to start with the first one. I'm going to start with the first one. I still entered. The notice of violation was served by certified mail in accordance with Florida Chapter 162. I have not had communication with the owners regarding this case. On April 16th, 2025, I conducted a review of the Charlotte County permitting database finding no permits issued for the repair or demolition of the damaged structures. That concludes my testimony. I do have building inspectors available for any technical questions that make them up. Okay. Hi, Mr. Miss, what is your name? My name is Beth, I'm representing my mother. Okay. All right. And your mother is Ms miss Parker. Yes. Okay. Okay. So is this property a, is this a single family home? Or is it a multi-family structure? I don't even really know. We use it as a single, but there it's, you have to use a step from the outside to get up there. So. Okay. And maybe this would be a better question for the building inspectors came out. But since it's listed as unit two, I'm just trying to clear out. We're talking about this entire structure in the photo. Are we talking about a portion of it? Is it? I'm going to ask Mr. Jones to come up and test that he did evaluation of the structure. Okay. Because obviously whatever order comes in, it's going to affect the entire building. Good morning, sir. You can just give us your name and your title. Ethan Jones, Charlotte County, Bill and Spectre. All right. Thank you, Mr. Jones. So the reason I'm asking this question is I can see from the photos that it's substantial damage to it. What I'm trying to understand and determining the course of action going forward is this one structure, the entire structure, or is this since it is unit two, and the testimony of Mrs. Parker's daughter, is they kind of access it from the side. How would one permit cover both units? Yeah, the unit two might have, could have been a mistake, I believe that's just one structure. OK. So we just sit on top of the other one. It sits on top of the other structure. OK. Well, that's interesting. And there's no relation to the ownership on the lower building. Are you on? Yes, it is. Does your mother own both? Yes. Okay, okay. You understand the reason I'm asking. I want to make sure that this is all one piece of property that can be dealt with together. Yes, it can. Okay. All right, so Mr. Jones, the testimony is from the owner's daughter is that this is all one property, but it's got a kind of a second apartment unit above and that's the one that is the entire property damaged or is it just the unit above? Yes, I mean, my inspection was basically the exterior structure wall walls basically beamed. So. And the first floor as well. Yes. Yes. OK. All right, so it's the whole structure. All right, I just want to make sure. Thank you very much. OK. And so is your mother working through the process of trying to Demo the property what's the plan? We were at The our insurance we went through the NFIP with through FEMA and They just finished the war for Halein Okay, now they're working on Milton and they're waiting on an engineer to come out to look at the property to assess it. Now why they can't get the engineer? I have not heard from an engineer. In the gentleman from, I think it's called FKS serves for NFIP. called me yesterday to ask if I'd heard from engineer engineer and I said no I have not so we have not had an engineer come out there for Milton yet to assess the damages. Okay and then we have the paper with the gentleman, he's local, his name's John Odom, and I had him come out because we were gonna go ahead and demo it, but we started working with Florida Rebuild in January, and there's several steps that they have to go through to come out and look at the property, and then they had one. I think it is environmental and it was like 11 steps. And they finally finished that and they are in the review process to find out if they're going to award her. It's the Florida Rebuilders Progremental Command and they demo it and they have to do do all of it They can't just do a piece of it. So they have to demo before they would rebuild or repair. Okay, and I think I may have gotten a letter from the county about something about Demo in it as well if I needed help or whatever. So I sent in a note, I can't remember which guy it was to or spoke to him on the phone a couple times about it and then I got a response and said that because I was trying not to have to come was my mom and I'm just saying I know that I needed to show up because they couldn't wait until to make sure if that company was going to demo it or not. And I had already said that if they chose not to, I already has somebody in place to do that. Okay. And the gentleman's name is John Odom. I had a quote from here where I've already signed. Oh, this one's not signed, but where I had, I got the quote for him back in January. Okay. Well, here's what I'm gonna do. I think you're, you've taken a lot of steps to move forward with it. What I'm going to do on this one is I'm going to, well I find there's a violation. I think that the clear issue is that there's, you know, the damage is pretty substantial. Now it sounds like you've got three paths. You've got, you're willing to move forward with the demolition if necessary. You've got a program that will cover the demolition that they're making their final findings on. And then you've got possibly the insurance wants to have the engineer come out and confirm that the damage is substantial enough that trips know trips the the money They'll give you for the demolition versus repair right so Similar to what was happening with the other properties, you know want to get this started I'm gonna I'm gonna give you 60 days to finalize that and get the permits started on that okay So that'll give you some additional time when the permits are pulled to get it demolished. But I think, I think given where you are in the process, I think 60 days, you should be able to finish those options. But I would recommend for the demolition that you, you got in January, firm that up, because there's a lot of people now getting more insurance money, things are falling apart, you wanna make sure that they're still available to come out and do it. Right. We just did not go to the property at all because when I was there with FEMA, they told me not to enter the house or do anything to it. So there's really not that much on the property. So all these things in here, some become out in demos, other than I have to, I guess, mark the electric lines and cap the sewer and have the electric shut off or disconnected? Is there anything else that I need to do that property before I'm kind of here before they come out and demo? If you get a demolition company, a country they will tell you in their scope whether they're going to do the shut-offs or they want you to do it. Okay. You know, and if you do it, you're probably going to want to call what is the 3-1-1 or 2-1-1. One of the companies locate because you may have gas out there that you don't know about, even if you're never connected. And so you want to know all that. But my recommendation is get put it in the scope for the demo. I just want to make sure I get it. And your honor it is that is in the scope the demolition permit as well. Those things are taken care of. Yeah. Okay your honor, it is. That is in the scope of the demolition permit as well. Those things are taken care of. Yeah. Good. OK. All right. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Parker. OK. I think that's all we'll do. We'll just do. There will be 60 days and then $50 a day for a continuum of violation thereafter. Yeah, I'm going to talk about this. All right, our next case is item D on the agenda. COD 25-00167. So property at 45, friendship, lane, and ingot. Gary, we're, Certified Code Compliance Officer, Sharer County, the address of the violation is 45 friendship plane. The zoning is Manusota Single Family 5. The owner of record is Bruce Barton and Karen Webb. On January 9, 2025, an inspection was conducted in the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricanes creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures and equipment. There's not been a permit issued for the repaired demolition of the unsafe dangerous structure. However, there has been a window indoor permit that is an issued status and a partial demo of a damage room on the property. They have applied for a remodel permit which is currently going through the process. During the investigation, photographs of the property were taken. I'd like to offer the photographs into evidence as County Composite exhibit number one, as well as the permit history. Thank you. Yes, that's it. Okay. Seeing the objection, so entered. The notice of violation was posted in accordance with floor to chapter 162. I have had communication with the owners and their contract regarding this case. On April 16th, 2025, I conducted a review of the Charlotte County permitting database finding no issue, no permits issued for the repaired demolition of the structure in its entirety. However, the partial demo permit had been closed through passing inspections and application for the model permit is currently under review. That concludes my testimony. I do have a building inspector available for any technical questions. Okay. Welcome Mr. Mrs. Webb. Thank you. Thank you. So I'm assuming just from the testimony of the office of Rotor-Cioux guys are going to try to salvage the building. Yes sir. Okay so you understand what that kind of what the the trip line is. Have you been explained that? Yes know, 50% of the construction of the value. Okay. Do you have, do you have a contractor or anyone who's made those estimates that you know could basically refute the county's position that the building needs to come down? Yes, our contractor has uploaded all those documents when I met with Tom Robinson, I guess on January 9th, I have to be there when he was inspecting. He said, yes, if you want to salvage the building, hire an engineer, get a permit, which we did, and I have those, I think it's all been uploaded in the county. The unsafe portion, the appendage on the back of the house, which is that photo that's destroyed. We did apply for that demo permit. We got that permit and we demoed it. So I have a photo of that if needed of the demoed rear appendage of the house. He also applied for a window and door permit which was approved. Those windows and doors are all installed and we're currently waiting on the engineering for that front porch. That was a screen port 75 years ago which I think was into living area a year later that that picture we're looking at is. So that engineering is underway. And it, all the cost estimates are well under our 50% rule. Okay, so the home itself is like a concrete block, but there's a couple of portions that were added on and Yes, the rear bed room. So we're gonna make the house smaller. We're not trying to make it any larger. That's one reason we're Getting within the 50% rule But the part in danger was removed. So it was a two bedroom home. We're just gonna make it a one bedroom home Okay removed so it was a two bedroom home we're just going to make it a one bedroom home. Okay. I thought I'd get it. Officer Rotorch, I'm just I'm looking at the so I'm looking at the citations and All the citations are to unsafe conditions related to the property, not to application of the 50% role. So I guess my question is, and maybe this is a question for the building official and inspector who's been out there. But if they're in fact demoing portions, the most affected portions of the structure. I don't see anything in here and they're going to restore the wrath. I don't see anything that they've been cited that demands demolition if a if a bait man is followed. The option is twofold. Either they could get a demo permit to remove the structure or a full remodel permit in order to make sure the structure is safe. And without that remodel permit, it's very difficult to- Right. You can't make the- Yes. Mr.. to TV. You can come up. I To wrap you in on on this one. I'm sure you're not intimately involved. But to paraphrase what Officer Rudolf said if they come out with a remodel, that's the point at which you make the determination on the valuations. Correct. Okay. Is it on? Yeah, you're on now. For the record, Sean McMillan, the community development on the building official and floodplain administrator. Okay. This structure is, in my opinion, most likely tips the 50% ROI, I think it'll be very difficult to come in under the under 50% of the value of the structure. So yes, as that process, the permanent application is in house. It would go through that review and if it is found, if the cost of the repair is less than 50% of the value of the structure. Okay, all right, so Mr. Mr. Web, there's a path forward for you guys. And it sounds like you're well on your way. The permit was submitted for that restoration. Let me ask a question, Officer Rodorff, other than the, so there's already one portion that's been demolished. The other items here, is there anything that's not going to be determined as a result of the restoration permit? Well, the remodel permit will take a look at it and make sure that any structural issues are accounted for the 50% rule will be looked at with regards to that. So there's an extensive review on the remodel permit. And that's already in. That is in the plans have been submitted for it. I believe there has to be an adjustment to the plans if I remember correctly Okay, mr. Mrs. Webb do you need any additional time or anything or as things or things moving the county's asking for 30 days to get to get the permit issue resolved Is that sufficient in your in your estimation? I know our contractors as everybody is in the timeliness of getting that remodel permit. We have the engineering. He's been through all the 50% valuations. We should be well under it. There's no steadwalls. It's all solid blockboard with concrete, roofs, goods, labs, good, remove the rest, so just hopefully that remodel process permit in queue right now. Yeah, and that is. And that's all that's required for my purposes. I'm not saying the work has to be done. So well, thank you very much. I'm going to find the property and violation. I'm going to give you the counties requests in 30 30 days to wrap up that permitting process. It would be a $50 per day violation thereafter. But if there any reason why we don't think that this could get reviewed in 30 days, I mean it's already been I wouldn't think that if it's in process and their engineer and their architect are on top of it. All right. And if for some reason it's a prop, there is a hiccup and they ask for additional plans or anything like that, please reach out to Officer Roadhorse so we can avoid fines. So I'm going to ask question. So if our engineer has done his study and said it's safe for the remodel. Is that if so there's it's a it's a it's a it's a moving it's kind of moving target, right? Because they've inspected the property, but they haven't seen what your plans to deal with it are. And so what will happen is you have you have a number of options. You have not only the appraised value of the property based on what the property praiser. It'll give you a letter saying that But you can also go and get your own appraisal which can adjust the the room you have to maneuver in there I Don't recall if the the demos count towards the the improvement. I don't I don't believe they do But yes, you're taking that interior you're taking that whole Value of the building. It's not the property. Obviously, this is more valuable property. And as long as the contractor and the engineer and everyone can say that it's safe, it meets the building code and it falls under that 50%. Yes, you should be able to issue a permit. Okay. Thank you. And it sounds like it's already gone through its first review there, and they asked for additional information, and they've already resubmitting. So it sounds like you're well in your way. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. Okay. Our next case is item F on the agenda, COD 25-00169. Property is 1085 shore view you drive an angle. Good morning, everyone. I just hang with us just a minute. Officer, what horse are you ready? Good morning. The address of the violation is 1085 short view drive. Zoning is MFF 7.5 or Madison to multifamily 7.5. The owner of record is the Lisa Leeland McConnell Revocable Trust, dated September 9th, 2024, as it may be amended. On January 9th, 2025, an inspection was conducted in the following violations of the refound. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricanes creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures, and equipment. There's been no permit issued for the repair demolition of the unsafe dangerous and structures, but a remodel permit was applied for on February 19th, 2025, and it was insufficient. During the investigation, photographs of property were taken. I'd like to offer the photographs and permit history of the Evidence's County Composite Exhibit number one. Do we need to read all that? Does that picture size have it? Yeah. You took it. I'm going to go to the moron for more time. the The Notice of Violation was served by Certified Mail in accordance with Florida Chapter 162. I have not had communication with the owner regarding this case. On April 16, 2025, it conducted a review of the Charlotte County permitting database, finding no permits issued for the repair or demolition of damaged structure. However, the application has been submitted and is currently under review. That concludes my testimony and I do have a building inspector available for any technical questions. Okay. Cute little place. I don't know. Not right now, but it will be cute. All right. Okay. So, what are your names Sorry. And Lisa, Liao and McConnell. Okay. And so on husband David. Okay. And I'm Robert Amy. Go through construction. Okay. All right. So what's the current and this is probably for you, Robert? What's the current situation with the properties? It's salvageable. Is it? Is it? an agreement that needs be demolished and you just need some time, where are we at? It's salvageable. The property has been all 100% cleaned up. Okay. The, I'm not sure if you missed it somewhere, but there's a roof permit that was pulled on 219. Okay. We already put a roof on it. And the and we have the we have all the cost estimates back and we can no there's really no structural damage at all. It's all blocked. It's just interior we're going to be able to put it back. Okay sir are you use are you planning on submitting for restoration permit? We already have okay We have we just need more time with the comments back that we have is the plan that we have needs needs to be Officially engineered and of course the lag time with the architect an engineer to draw the plan is what's holding us up? Okay, we have the the inspector on this one available? Uh, yes. Let me double-trip to see what we have on this. Short drive or short view drive? Yeah. And this place, my notion. It made damage that the cottage suffered was the doors and the windows came out. Right. So, well, the only reason I was obsessed with the inspection for the photos that I've seen so far, you know, it certainly looks as though some of it's already been cleaned up. The question I would have is, again, the citation is almost entirely related to unsafe structure issues. If it's been cleaned up and there's, I'm trying to figure out what's the path to compliance Sorry Welcome back. Yeah, in this one here, I believe it was the same thing, the exterior structure walls, if you can see in some of those photos, where there's some damage to the... Okay. When we see that, basically, an engineer needs to make that determination. Okay, and that's what you did indicate that the architect and engineer were looking at that? Yeah, we have an engineer that actually's already done a walk through on it and said it's pretty much he figures just superficial cracks, not any major issues. How much, how much additional time do you guys need to, to wrap up the restoration plans for submittal? Um, due to the realistically? Yeah, realistically. I would love to wrap it up in a day and a half. But it's not going to happen. But going through the red tape process, I would, I'd say, 90 days. By the time we get the engineer and the architect and, you know, if that's what you're going to require. Yeah, I'm going to work. We got from somebody over in the building department said, we don't need it. We can just submit a hand-drawn deal. And, you know, but I've already got the roof. The outside of the structure looks fairly good. It's for the, you know, obviously securing the windows and doors. I don't see anything in what's been presented that this structure represents a threat to the adjacent properties and as you kind of want out this could be something that could get done in 30 days it could be something that's 60 or 90 so I'm going to go ahead and give you the 90 days because I I it this one looks I would say almost easier than the last one to resolve but if there is structural damage to the wall or something like that You may have one or two more rounds with the county to solve that so I'll give you 90 days After that it would be $50 a day Just fine until things came with the compliance But thank you guys very much for working on this. Thank you guys very much for working on this. Thank you. All right. Next case is item G, COD 25 to 00179. Properties 20, sand dollar lane, unit B and ingot. Good morning, sir. Morning. Are you Mr. Batulu? I'm not. I'm the general contractor. I'm Kurt. What's your last name? Patrick, P-E-T-R-I-C. All right. Mr. Patrick, thank you. All right, just hang with us for just a moment, and Officer World Horse is going to lay out the case. Gary, Gary World Horse, Charlotte County Code Compliance, Certified Officer, the address of violations $20,000 lane, or $20,000 lane, you to A, or $20,000 lane unit B. The zoning is MSF 5. The owner of record is Jeffrey and Teresa Petudo. On January 9th, 2025, an inspection was conducted and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricane screening dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures, and equipment. There's been no permit issued for the repair of demolition of the unsafe structure or unsafe for dangerous structures. A demo permit was applied for on April 11th of 25. During the investigation, photographs of the property were taken. I'd like to offer the photographs into and the permit History into evidence is County composite exhibit number one So enter Notice the violation was posted in accordance with floor to chapter 162. I have had communication with the owner regarding this case. On April 16th, 2025, that conducted review of the Charlotte County permitting database, finding no permits issued for the repair of demolition or demolition of damage structure. However, demo application has been submitted and is currently under review. I don't know. I think it revealed that one. I mean, if you just, you know, I can make an eglue. And that concludes my test. Yeah, I think it does. All right. So there's a demo permit in place. It's not in place yet, but no, but it's under review. It's under the verge of being issued. OK. Real close. So unless there's any objection, I'm just going to go ahead and enter the order on this one and just give you 30 days to wrap up that permit. It would be $50 a day for every day after that to get into place. That works demo scheduled for the 12th. OK. I do have another one. I don't know if we could do that too. We can. I think it's the next one anyway. So you're in the shape. All right. Let me just wrap that one up. Take these paper. Is it 1300 short view? You got it. All right. Next case. Item I on the agenda. COD 2500182. 1300 short view drive. Unit B. This one's still standing here. Okay, the address of the Vial Gary Road or Certified Code compliance officer Charter County the address of violations 1300 short-view drive or 1300 short-view drive unit A or 1300 short-view drive unit B the zoning is MMF 7.5 the owner of record is James C Mitchell Mitchell. On January 9th, 2025, an inspection was conducted and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricanes creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures and equipment. There has been no permit issued for the repair demolition of the unsafe dangerous structures. However, there was an application. I believe the application was last night. Yeah, the application was last night at 554. So there is an application under that has been applied for. During the investigation, photographs of the property were taken. I'd like to offer the photographs and permit history into evidence that this county composite exhibit number one. So I entered. The notice of violation was sent certified with script nurse error in the violation address. However, the certified mail was sent to the correct address and was corrected on the posting, which was in accordance with Florida Chapter 162. Certified mail was returned to attempted, not known. I have had no communication with the owners regarding this case. On April 16th, 2025, I conduct a review of the Charlotte County permitting database finding no permits issued for the repair of the demolition of damage structures. That is the end of my testimony. I do have a building inspector available in case there's technical questions. And the permit that came in last night was for the demolition correct And I was sewing that was you came in Anything in particular with this one that you think will make it difficult to get the demolition Yeah, his insurance company is behaving like an insurance company and Refused to pay him out basically. They're out first offer was zero dollars They're up to 117 But he's fighting with them. He's got a lawyer involved and I don't think that is gonna end anytime soon So I'm happy to demo it as soon as I can but I feel like if we demo it he's kind of Admitting defeat and gonna have to settle for you know half of what he should. The homeowner does want a demo, he wants to get it out of your guys' way as quickly as possible, but again, doesn't want to take money out of his own pocket, too. Okay, well I'll split the baby on this one. I'll give him 60 days to keep working with the insurance company, get that demo permit underway. But because I could see this easily, causing problems for neighbors if it doesn't come down. So that's what we'll go with. We'll go with, find the property and violation, give them 60 days to come to compliance and be $100 a day after that. Yeah, I do, of course. Is it possible to get short of the county a right of letter or something saying this thing has to be demoed that we can submit to insurance? Because that's where only hold up. You can submit the order, well not only the vote, no violation received, but the order today. Because essentially it's an order of demolition. All right. All right. That works. Thank you very much. Okay, next case is item J on the agenda COD 25 to 00183. Properties 41, 94, Hollis Avenue in Port Charlotte. All right. All right, are you or Mr. and Mrs. Cabral? Yes. Okay. All right. Just one moment. I'm going to have Officer Roedhorse talk me through the condition of the property and then we can talk. Okay. Gary Roedhorse certified code compliance officer in Charlotte County. The address of violations 419-4 Halls Avenue. The zoning is mobile home conventional. The owners of record are Shane and Amy Cabral. On January 14th, 2025, an inspection was conducted, and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricanes, creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures, and equipment. There has been no permit issued for the repair demolition of the unsafe dangerous structures. During the investigation, photographs of the property were taken, and I'd like to offer the photographs into evidence as county composite. Exhibit number one. I'm sorry, I just made a few things here. I saw her and just looked at her. Here. I saw your pictures. Seeing no objections, I entered. Notice a violation was sent by certified mail in accordance to chapter 162. I've had no communication with the owner regarding this case. On April 16, 2025, I conduct a review of the Charlotte County permitting database finding no permits issued for the repair or demolition of damaged structures. That concludes my testimony and I do have a building inspector available for any technical questions. Okay, so just to confirm, it's just that back half of the building right here, this is the front structure looks. That's the back. There you go. And the roof is the roof. Oh, the roof is gone. Gone, okay. Yeah. Haleen put about mid-half way up the windows of water and a week later, Milton took the entire roof off. I'm sorry to hear that. What's your plan for the property? Taring it down. Okay. We got a call about a week and a half ago from a company saying, her name was Bethany. I got a text from her. Since she's with Charlotte County Demolition Program, is that a thing? I've kind of been playing phone tag with them for the last week and a half trying to get information I didn't I don't want to give them information and try and work with somebody that might be a scam so there's a program that the county is currently trying to work with with FEMA and a private provider by the name of Tetra Tech. Tetra Tech, and they have taken the list of the properties that we originally prepared for hearing and they're trying to reach out and trying to see if they can come to a resolution with regards to demos of the properties that need to be demoed. Right now that program is on hold. The county fiscal services are trying to coordinate with FEMA to open up the application process again because only six applicants made it through on the first first room. Okay, yeah, they started calling. They contacted us about a week and a half ago and they may have opened it up since I didn't know the name of the company. I just know that they said that they were working with Charlotte County and so I was like well I know if that's a scam or not. I don't want to give out personal information. If I don't know. Don't blame you. What I would recommend is ask for them for the, tell them that you're in the process of working with the building department and currently in gas for contact at Charlotte County. Okay. So that you can confirm. Okay. But yeah, I mean, we know it needs to come down. It has to move. So permit needs to be done by the contractor or us. If we did it, can I carry it down myself? Yes. Awesome. I was not expecting that answer. We have, I mean, we haven't done it only because we've been so busy with the holiday season with my job and his job has been crazy. And so I really don't slow down at mine until Mother's Day is over. Right. And then we can maybe take some time off and get in there and drop it. What would they can just sit under this as an owner builder permit? But that- The building official has put together a special program for out of area owners that would like to do a demo on the property. It's kind of an expedited thing, but in this case, I think it would be very quick to get that permit issued. I'd encourage you to go next or to the building department and inquire since you're already here it would make sense to go over there and try to get that process rolling. That would be the plan. That would be great. I know you're giving out days. In this situation if lease? Well, yeah, because in this situation, if you're doing it yourself, I would normally tie the demolition to the permit. In this case, I'd probably tie to the actual demolition. When it comes down. If I do it myself, it'll take me longer, because I don't have the equipment. Right. I'd be cutting it down piece by piece if I had a company come in, they'd have it. We have a few friends that offer to come and help, but they're also working on their destroyed houses too. So, and with both jobs and you know it's the people first take the time off. I just found out that our permitting and zoning are closed down today for special events so you unfortunately won't be able to go over there today for. Of course. That's just my apologize That's just how we've been going since Ian so that's okay. Um, okay, so here's what I'm like that online I You're probably gonna want to go in I I have a card. Why don't you give me a call and I can give you some information And walk you through who you need to contact in order make application Yes, okay, perfect Sounds good to me. Okay, so what I'm gonna do, Mr. Ms. Sklaw, I'm gonna give you 90 days. Thanks. For the demolition of the proper of the building. Okay, so that and or if you can get, if you get a commercial contractor pull a contract and they're going to do it, you know, that will trust me. You'll have that way of the time. Pull the permit yourself if necessary and if you find yourself can't get done, get a contractor in there to wrap it up. There is a small shed on the property. Does that have to come off? Does no damage to that? I think the shed wouldn't need to come off. Because what happens is this is your primary structure and what they kind of treated. All the accessories, pools, things like that. There has to be a primary structure there. Now if you were replacing it. Well, I keep my lawn more there so I can keep the grass mode. And this picture here was right after the storm. That's why the grass kind of looks like. Yeah, keep the grass in the mind. Trust me, I would love for that's why the grass kind of looks like. Yeah, the grass notes are in the mind. Trust me, I would love for you to keep the grass moaks, so we're not back here to do that. You know, what's your, I mean, I feel free, you probably haven't made a decision yet, but what's your long term? Are you going to put another unit on that? We're trying to sell it. And we're kind of hoping someone would Brought by it as is but we had someone and say well, we'll give you, I'll give you half of what you want and pay you monthly. And I'm like, nah, they didn't have it. So, so let's, let's deal with the one problem at the time. Get the demolition down for this. And then later on, if, you know, you'll, you'll probably, if you can't sell it in that time, You'll need to probably come in in and get a demolition permit You should do the whole thing to the scope for the whole thing get this issue resolved and then you know you might have to If you're back being a far away you might have to have someone cut the grass for you that just the worst case scenario After that it would be a $50 day fine. That would be the Thank you very much. Did you have something Mr. Horton? He's got he's got more information for you back there. Thank you. Thanks All right our next case is item L in the agenda COD 25 to 00196 Properties 25 friendship up. We did is 25 friendship, oh, do we do this? No, 25 friendship lane in Englewood. We just did friendship lane before. Good morning. You are the, I'm gonna mispronounce this. I need your help. Familiar. Familiar, ow. It's a little bit. Not too bad. I'm also a George familiar. I'm George familiar of son. I'm going to mispronounce this. I need your help. Familiar. Familiar. Oh. Not too bad. I'm also George familiar. I'm George familiar with son. I'm number three. And my mother Jane. No problem. So you're George familiar with junior's junior. You got it. All right. All right. All right. Bear with us just a moment. Officer Woodhorse, if you want to. We wrote a horse certified code compliance officer, Charlotte County, address the violations 25 friendship lane zoning is MSF 5, Madison, a single family 5. The owner record is George V. Familiar Jr. and J&D Familiar. On January 9, 2025, an inspection was conducted and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricanes, creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures, and equipment. There's been no permit issued for the repair demolition of the unsafe dangerous structures. However, there was an application on April 14th, 2025. During the investigation, photographs of property were taken. I'd like to offer the photographs into evidence and permit history as county composite exhibit number one. I'm going to go on. I'm going to go on. I'm going to go on. I'm going to go on. I'm going to go on. I'm going to go on. I'm going to go on. I'm going to go on. I'm going to go on. I'm going to go on. I'm going to go on. I'm going to go on. I'm going to go on communication with the owner regarding this case. Actually, I believe it was the owner's son that I've been speaking to. On April 16th, 2025, I conducted a review of the Charter County permitting database. Finding that permit is not issued for the repaired demolition of damaged structures. However, the permit that was applied for is on the verge of being issued. It's pretty much gone through all the reviews. So it should be issued, I would guess, by the end of the week. Okay. And that concludes my test, honey. All right, so it sounds like this is, we're already at the end of the rope on this one. The scope of that permit covers everything that needs to be done? Yes, it's a demo permit. Okay. All right, then, well, thank you guys very much for moving forward. I'm going to enter in an order just to make sure it all gets finalized. It would be 30 days. Once you have the permit in hand, you'll have additional time to do the demolition. I'm sorry for what happened to you in your house. And you're on it. We went under contract with the demo company in March. OK. So unfortunately, there was some miscommunication. They thought they had asked for the permit. Trust me, I haven't tried to get permits on stuff. I have to find a militia. So hopefully we can wrap this up quickly. OK. It would once the permits issued, which sounds like it'll be issued by the end of the week, you'll be good as long as that permits active. Assuming that if something doesn't work out, they don't complete the demolition, it would be a $50 day fine. And the demolition would need to be completed by the typical. The demolition will be completed by whatever the requirements of the permit are. Thank you. All right, thank you both very much. Thank you. Okay, the next case is item N on the agenda. COD 25-00200. And that property is for 85-06 gas, little gas parola island. It has been a long time since I've seen LGI property here. The county finally got a boat, right? They I'm going to start with the next one. I'm going to start with the next one. I'm going to start with the next one. I'm going to start with the pictures of your house and it's not at its best condition. You know. All right. Don't worry. It's not judgment on you. No. Gary wrote a horse certified code compliance officer. Sharp County address the violation is 8506 little gas real Island. The zoning is Bridgillis barrier Island. The owner of record is John E and Joanne Berster. On October 16th, 2024, an inspection was conducted, and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricanes, creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures, and equipment. There have been no permit issued for the repaired demolition of the unsafe structure. However, there was a permit for foundation. During the investigation, photographs of property were taken. I'd like to offer the photographs and a copy of the foundation permit into evidence This is County Composite Exhibit number one. All right. Seeing no objection. So entered. Notice the violation was posted and served via certified mail. In accordance with chapter 162, I've had no communication with the owner regarding this case. On April 16, 2025, I conducted review of the Charlotte County permitting database finding no permits issued for the repair or demolition of damage structures. However, a residential foundation permit for a foundation repair was rejected in November 22nd of 2024 requiring a remodel permit. That concludes my testimony and I do have a building inspector Robinson here available to answer any questions. Our door of a little house. So it looks like the Water undermined the foundation caused the split there. Just the deck. It undermined the exterior shower deck on that left corner of this picture. Not the foundation at that point. OK. What was the foundation permit? What was the thinking with the foundation permit? Was that for the back day? Well, we thought that we could get it repaired or I contacted the company. They come out and they did their inspection and said, you know, what it would cost. And then I have called and contacted some of the folks at the building permit department and talked to them and they said that the fifth percent rule was in, I had no idea about that. So what the foundation company did was way, way too much because we have to do an electrical service and there's a small plumbing issue as well. So I rejected the foundation people and got me an engineer and a contractor to fix the corner, the one corner of the house, plus the electrification and a plumber. And so we're trying to apply for the remodel permit and the man is going through it, the And he gets gets to align and says we have to have a FEMA certificate of elevation. Okay. And so that's what we're waiting on now from a survey area and we should have, I don't know when that'll be. Okay. But that's the last thing I think on our permit and then we'll submit it. Okay. We have drawings from the engineer to secure the building safe otherwise we have a Lalsharoof it's a concrete building inside now the walls are concrete inside now. Concrete floor so it's a good shape with just it's just hard to get something to go in. Oh my godland it. Yeah. Oh, I know. It's stuff out there. All right. So, surveys, when did you contact a survey company? I guess it was probably one day last week. OK. Wednesday or Thursday. We didn't realize there was any kind of time frame. We didn't know there was a six month. We didn't know. Yes, the surveys can be behind depending on the company. So so however long it takes a survey to get out there and get a certificate then we can make our application for the remodel and I think we can all the okay that can okay right we've cleaned the property up okay yes the shed in the back is gone all of that is gone it's the house to stand there, it's nice. It just needs a corner fixed. No problem. And some plumbing. And some plumbing. What I wanted to do is I was going to ask the building inspector has been out there. Is there anything that I'm not seeing in these photos? I'm trying to determine essentially if the property, I mean the issue seems to be just getting it restored so it can be habitable again. But is there anything in the condition of it that maybe you think it was a danger to adjacent properties or anything? No. Okay. No. I'm looking at these pictures that you have a slab problem. You know, they're going to have to fix it. If an engineer comes in and gives them a fix, we're good. Okay. You know, it doesn't have to come down. Okay, thank you very much. All right. Well, I know how difficult this surveys are usually about eight weeks out. So, I'm sure you wanna get into this, get this results soon as possible. I'm going to, I'm going to go ahead and give you 120 days to resolve this. Because I, I tend to think it wants to survey and then they've got to get that in and you're submitting it. It's going to be a little longer than expected. Okay. We're ready to go forward with the improvements. It's just a matter of getting all the pieces on that permit. The contractor didn't realize that there was a survey, I mean, a survey required elevation from them. No problem. All right. And with that, that's it. I'll give you 120 days of it. $50 a day after that. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. And I just want to confirm I only got one more Family here responded here. I don't want to miss anyone but the next case I have is item Q COD 25-00 354 Properties that 92 90 little gasp rail island neighbors you guys better get back if you're going to catch the boat together. We're going to catch the boat together. I'm glad we were the last one because we got a store for you. There's an everybody on the edge. So Mr. Are you Gene Wilton? I'm Jay Wilton. Okay. We're representing our father, William Wilton. Okay. Who's with us here, by any chance? No problem, all right. We'll just hang back for a second. And we're going to hear one story and then another. I'm sure. Gary Rodelhofer certified code compliance officer, Charlotte County. the address, the violation is 9-2-9-0, little gas real island. The zoning is Bridgillis Barrier Island. The owner of record is the William H. Wheaton Jr. and Jane W. Wilton Revocable Trust. On October 16th, 2024, an inspection was conducted, finding was conducted, and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricanes, creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures, and equipment. There's been no permit issue for the repair demolition of the unsafe, dangerous structure. I'm going to clarify that in just a minute. During the actually on January 1st of 2024 a permit number 2023 0538235 expired from previous Hurricane EN. During the investigation photographs of property were taken I'd like to offer the photographs and permit history into evidence his county composite exhibit number one yeah there's our early pictures it's twenty-two one Okay, seeing no objection, cylinder. The notice of violation was served by certified mail in accordance with chapter 162. I have had no communication with the owner regarding this case. On April 16th, 2025, I conduct a review of the Charlotte County permitting database finding the demo permit had expired on January 1st, 2024. That concludes my testimony, and I do have a building inspector available for technical questions. Okay, so I'm assuming we have some e-end damage, some follow-up. Okay, let's start from the beginning. Yeah. So this is probably an unusual case. Not a lot of times folks will call Mr. Roadhurst and ask that our property be put on on the code violation list. But we have a unique situation where there are four parties on the deed and one of the court interests. Gotcha. Yeah. There's quarter interest on the deed. We actually applied for demolition through FEMA after Hurricane E and it was all approved. About the time the demolition crew finally got to our house. One of the members of the deed, whom as far as we know, has been homeless for about the better side of a decade, decided to take up residence at that property in a tent. So anyways he stopped the demolition and at that point we decided the best course of action was to proceed with the partition action to resolve the deed and we do have a partition action on file I think it was filed with Charlotte County by our attorney back in December, January. So we're doing everything we can to move this forward. So we're kind of here asking for maybe the assistance of the county your help, whether it be through this code violation, helping us to forcefully remove the person from the property so that demolition can be done or if not that maybe this proceeding will help move the partition action forward so that can go through but we're also asking for leniency on the fines we need time we're doing everything the the three other siblings here are doing everything we can to move this forward. We just unfortunately have one who's doing everything he can to make sure it doesn't move forward and he has no vested interest in any fines that are going to be assessed because he's not going to be paying him. So the answer to the question is this. I mean, the county won't get involved in the partition or anything like that. We'll enter an order, but really, I wouldn't worry about the fines. Let me put, do that way. The fines are not the concern. The fines will go against the property, and if the property comes to the compliance at some later date, you can reduce the fines. The concern really is that this property is substantially damaged. And given where it is on a bridges island, the concern would be that normally the county we would abate something like this. We would say, all right, we're gonna demo, demo, and in which case, I don't care who's inside it, they're gonna be gone. When it gets demolished, the problem is, is that those hard costs get placed as a lean against the property. And although the county has some scale, it's not really in the business of doing home demolitions. And so you're not necessarily getting the best price on that. And when you add the cost of doing it on a bridges island, this cost can be very substantial. So the problem is, fines are one thing. Fines can be reduced. You can see relief from fines, but you can't reduce the hard costs. And so the answer is to demolish the property, the county going and do it. And if they do it, and it's up to them whether they decide it's worth the trouble to do it, then the problem of now you've got a property that's substantially leaned and may not be able to do anything with the property or you may lose it to the county. So I don't know that you want the county's help on this. What I would say is if there's someone living in there right now and Officer Rorthaus is the county aware of that? Yes, I think I spoke in there. I said I have not had communication. I have had communication with them. He did explain that to me way back when I first started speaking to him a couple of months ago. But the conversation we had is that he'd already reached out to the sheriff's office and they were- Yeah, that would happen. They wouldn't do anything about it. And frankly, there are a lot more problems and worry about somebody living underneath the structure like that. So here's what I'm going to recommend. I'm going to recommend that the county's current request is simply to order demolition and to impose fines. I'm going to grant them the ability to abate the property as well, which could mean demolition. It could also mean just sealing it up or doing something else to limit the damage. You've made the county aware that somebody's in there, the county's already deeming that it's unsafe structure. This order is going to confirm that. I don't, you know, it'll be up to the county to decide if they want to take any action to remove any individuals from there. Okay, so that'll be the next step. But maybe that will be enough to help you along with the process. Now, at the end of the day, if the county doesn't take it down, there's no hard cost assessed with it. And let's say these fines at $50 a day, they could rack up to $4,000 and 90 days. Once you've brought the property compliance, you come in and it's $ a thousand dollar. It's reduction, it's done. You can reduce it. But the goal is to, you know, this is not a money maker for the county. The goal is to get it resolved. So I might, given what your condition, the situation is, you know, I think I need to impose what the county orders. I'll give them a little more latitude to possibly clean up the property or maybe seal it off. The property is cleaned up with the exception of literally the whole. Just the one home, yeah. Can you explain what an evapement means on the property? A pavement means that if the county's deemed its unsafe structure needs to be demolished and they could demolish it themselves. Now, they're slow to do that because it's a costly endeavor. And on an island like that, it would be even more costly. And that's up to them to decide if they want to do that. But that potential could help your problem. So if they, and we came with the willingness to let the county do it, I mean, we're gonna have to pay for that demolition one way or the other. Yeah, it's just a difference in price. Yeah, whether you would get it cheaper, or they would get it cheaper. Yeah, and if that's what the lien is, then we'll pay the lien. Okay. We aim through the partition action to keep the property and the family. Yeah. So we came with the willingness to have the county do on the demolition. through the partition action to keep the property in the family. Yeah. So we came with the willingness to have the county do on the demolition if the county can, but I guess that's a question is if the county decides to do the demolition, what if the person living there won't vacate the property? The sheriff will come out and they'll remove them. We're all for it. We're no, no, no, we can do that. Look at the caddy space. That doesn't mean the county We're all for it. No, we can do that. Look at the caddy's face. That doesn't mean the county's going to do demolition. I mean, they love going out to the island. Don't get me wrong. But that doesn't mean that they'll actually dets up to them and that's up to the county's policy. Because they're basically taking effectively what amounts Effectively, what amounts to a zero percent interest loan on cleaning someone's property up, you know? Yeah, yeah. So that's up to them to decide if they think it's worth it to do. because they're basically taking effectively what amounts to a zero percent interest loan on cleaning someone's property up. Yeah, yeah. So that's up to them to decide if they think it's worth it to do. And just to clarify that, and I think you referred to it, if we would have to tear it down as the county, that cost we can't forgive. So that's going to stay fast. Yes, yes. Any fines for noncompliance, those are the ones that the magistrate was speaking of that can be reduced. But if we have to spend hard money, then... Yes, yes, any fines for non-compliance those are the ones that the that the Magistrate was speaking of that that can be reduced But if we have to spend hard money then that's gonna stay put. Yeah, yeah, I understood. Yeah You know, it's it's it's the shopping around part, you know I lost I lost a boat in a storm and when I got some contract cost worth $40,000 dollars, one was two thousand dollars. I'm like, bye bye. You know, that's, you know, so that's what you're dealing with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The lowest bidder situation. And we When I got some contract cost worth $40,000, one was $2,000, I'm like, bye bye. You know, that's what you're dealing with. Yeah. The lowest bidder situation. And we have people we could call tomorrow to do the demolition that are on the island. And they'd be glad to do it. We just can't get him off of the property. So that's really the hold up. And the reason I wanted to move forward. He's part owner on the property. Can't go. Yeah, the reason I wanted to move forward with us being here today and getting on this code violation, not that we want to pay the $1,000 or whatever it's reduced to, but maybe this will, we got to do one or the other. The partition action has got to happen or this has got to happen, but we've got to move forward with it. And we're here in the best interest of everyone in that community as well. Okay. They've had our word. We've been working with this now for two and a half years. All right well I'm gonna go ahead I'll enter in the order. The order will say that the property needs to be demolished. It'll give you 30 days come and compliance will be fine after that. Is there any way you could extend that 30 days because we are actively pursuing a court date to have this done? Well I think that helps you. Well that's fine. That's my point. If I say it's eight months, where's the where's the fire? Okay. Okay. That's great. So that's my and the county's policy when finds clear to is they have the option to find every day. That's not generally the way they handle it. They find you once for a 90 day period just to kind of remind you get out there and then the next 90 days they would tack on. So the order will say that it could be $50 a day. It'll start in 30 days and it'll order to bateman and I'm going to award a bateman to cost the county as well that that's their option to take it or not. Okay. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you a I think we're going to need that Just pull one of the regular code enforcement case ones and now that All right, do we have anyone else in attendance? All right, seeing none, we're going to go on to our, the outstanding cases, and we're going to start with back at item E, COD 25, that's 00168. Properties 14508, Frizell Road in Port Charlotte. Gary, go to horse certified good compliance officer, Charter County Address. The violation is 14508, Frizzle Road, is only as mobile home conventional. The owner of record is Jose Antonio Haas, Lifeist State, on January 14th, 2025, and inspection was conducted, and following violations were found. The structure substantially damaged due to hurricanes, creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures and equipment. There's been no permit issued for the repaired demolition of the unsafe or dangerous structures. During the investigation, photographs of the property were taken. I'd like to offer photographs into evidence. This county composite, exhibit number one. Okay, so entered. Notice the violation was posted in accordance with floor to 162. I have had no communications with the owner regarding this case. On April 16, 2025, I conducted a review of the Charlotte County permitting database, finding no permits issued for the repair demolition of damaged structures. That concludes my testimony. Well,, that's going to be your attitude about it. Jesus. All right. I'm going to find the proper evaluation given 50 days. 30 days coming to compliance and then a face of fine of $50 for the continued violation. Now, I'm going to stop here for a quick second because the orders that counties requested requested have there they cite they cite abatement in the IPMC but they don't request abatement and I want to confirm that because on most the ones we've gone for everyone's voluntarily doing the work. Yes actually I believe that was a clerical error. I think we were seeking a bateman on all these. I'm going to put I'm going to add a bateman to this one. I don't think we need to we're not going to revisit any of the orders where I didn't mention it because they're all those people are coming to compliance already but this one where we don't have people showing up I got a feeling you're gonna're gonna want it. All right, so we're gonna add abatement to COD 2500168. I'm gonna go to item H. COD 25 to 00181. 1, 2, 2, 5, shore view drive and Inglewood. Gary, go to the horse, certified good compliance, Charlotte County. The address of the violation is 1, 2, 2, 5, short view drive. The zoning is Minnesota multifamily 7.5. The owner of record is single woodshores, land trust, dated on April 8, 2023. On January 9, 2025, an inspection was conducted and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricanes, creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures and equipment. There's been no permit issued for the repaired demolition of the unsafe dangerous structures. During the investigation, photographs of property were taken. I'd like to offer photographs into evidence as county composite exhibit number one. So, Andrew, notice the violation was posted in floor to chapter one six two. I've had no communication with the owner regarding this case. On April 16th, 2025, I conducted review of the Charlotte County permitting database finding no permits issued for the repair or demolition of damaged structures. That concludes my testimony. All right, I'm going to find the property on the violation. Give them 30 days coming to compliance. They're after a face of $5.50 per day for continuing the violation and the entry of an abatement order. Okay, next case. Item K, COD 25 to 00194, property is 1790, New Point, Comfort Road and Anglewood. The address of the Vialation or Gary Roadhorse Certified Code applies out to Charlotte County. The address of Vialation is 1790 New Point Comfort Road. Zoning is RSF 3.5. The owner of record is a tailor, Zimiling Living Trust. On January 13th, 2025, inspection was conducted, and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricane screened dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures and equipment. Mr. McNulty, could you stay for one moment? I'm gonna, I actually, come on up, I wanna ask you a question real quick. And then I'll, oh, if you're gonna stick around, then I'll do it after, I'll do it after the case. Okay. There's been no permit applied or issued for the repair demolition of the unsafe or dangerous structures. However, there was an application on April 15th 2025, but they did not submit plans. During the investigation photographs of property were taken. I would like to offer the photographs and commit history into evidence as County Composite Exhibit number one. Okay, so entered. The notice violation was posted in accordance with chapter 162. I've had no communication with the owner regarding this case. On April 16th, 2025, I conducted a review of the Charlotte County permitting database finding no permits issued for the repair or demolition of damaged structures. However, a residential demolition permit was applied for on April 15th, 2025. That concludes my testimony. Okay, all right. Well,'m going to go ahead and enter in order to find the property and violation. 30 days come to compliance. $50 a day thereafter. And I'm going to add abatement to this one as well. Okay. Next case item M COD 25-00199. Property is 1310 King Fisher Drive in England. Gary, on a horse certified good compliance officer Charter County, the address of the violations 1310 King Fisher Drive. The zoning is mobile home conventional. The owner of record is Dolores and Flannery. On January 14th, 2025, an inspection was conducted and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricane screening, dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures in the environment. There's been no permit issued for the repair demolition of the unsafe or dangerous structures. During the investigation, photographs of the property were taken. I'd like to offer the photographs into evidence as County composite exhibit number one. So I heard notice the violation was posted in accordance with chapter 162. I've had no communication with the owner regarding this case. On April 16, 2025 I conduct a review of the Charlotte County permitting database finding no permits issued for the repair demolition of of damaged structures that concludes my testimony. Okay, fine the property on a violation. Give them 30 days come to compliance. There after face of fine, $50 per day and an award abatement costs the county's necessary. Next case item O, COD 25-00274. Property is 4545 Melbourne Street Port Charlotte. I'm going to get you guys over to that party in the building department, you know, whenever they got along. Gary, we're going to horse certified code compliance officer, Charlotte County. The address of violation is 45-45 Melbourne Street. The zoning is CR 3.5 or coastal residential 3.5. The owner of record is Jerry L. Went and Lorraine Director. On January 14th, 2025, an inspection was conducted and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricane screening dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures and equipment. There's been no permit issued for the repair or demolition of the unsafe or dangerous structure. During the investigation, photographs of property were taken. I'd like to offer photographs into evidence as County Composite Exhibit number one. To enter. Notice the violation was posted in the court in the chapter 162. I've had no communication with the owner regarding this case on April 21st 2025 it conducted a review of the Charlotte County permitting database finding no permits issued for the repair or demolition of damaged structures That is the end of my testimony Trees are holding it Alright, go ahead and find the proper and find the property and violation given the third day's coming to compliance. They're after face the fine of $50 per day of continuing violation in the entry of an abatement order. All right. Next case item P COD 25-00282. Properties 1-0049. Helu, Corked, and Pizzeria. Helu, Hel pizzeria. Haleer, that's a name. Mm-hmm. Gary Rodorce, Certified Code Compliance Officer, Charlotte County, the address of violation is 1-0-0-0-4-9, hellu, court. The zoning is Bridgillis, Barrier Island. The owner of record is Gordon H. Simpson Jr. on February 6, 2025 and the inspection was conducted and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricanes creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, structures and equipment. There has been no permit issued for the repaired demolition of the unsafe and dangerous structure. During the investigation photographs of the property were taken. I'd like to offer the photographs and copy of the foundation. Excuse me. I'd like to strike that part because that's an error. Just the photographs into evidence. This county composite exhibit number one. So I entered. The notice of violation was posted in accordance with chapter 162. I've had no communication with the owner regarding this case. On April 16, 2025, I conduct a review of the Charlotte County permitting database finding no permits issued for the repair demolition of damage structures. And that concludes my testimony. thank you. I'm going to find the property and violation Jesus. It gives the property owner 30 days come into compliance and their effort is to 00608, R, H, L, 14th StreetLC, the property is 8566 Grand Avenue, and Pesita. Gary Roto-Hort Certified Code Compliance Officer Charlotte County, the address of the violations 8566 Grand Avenue. The zoning is Bridgillis Barrier Island. The owner of record is RHL14SR, a Florida limited liability company. On October 16, 2024, an inspection was conducted and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricanes, creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, structure and equipment. There's been no permit issued for the repair or demolition of the unsafe or dangerous structures. During the investigation photographs of property were taken. I'd like to offer the photographs and a copy strike that part to photographs into evidence as County composite exhibit number one. So I'm sure. The notice of violation was posted in accordance with chapter 162. I've had no communication with the owners regarding this case. On April 21, 2025, I conduct a review of the Charlotte County permitting database. Finding a demo permit had expired alone. Actually strike that well. I found a Charlotte County per permitting database finding no permits issued for the demo. Okay, all right, we'll find the property owner of violation. He's in 30 days coming to compliance. They're after face to find $100 per day. And I'm going to order a statement as well. And for our final case item, why COD 25 to 00609 JCCLLC property is 9844 little gas barrel island in Pesita. Gary Rotorhor certified code compliance officer Charlotte County, the address of violations 9444 little gas barrel Island. The zoning is Bridgillis Barrier Island. The owner of record is JJCC LLC, the Florida Limited Liability Company. On October 15, 2024, an inspection was conducted and the following violations were found. A structure substantially damaged due to hurricanes creating dangerous and unsafe conditions, equipment. There's been no permit issued for the repaired demolition of the unsafe or dangerous structures. During the investigation, photographs of the property were taken. I'd like to offer the photographs into evidence as county composite exhibit number one. Okay. No, it's fine, turn. The notice of violation was posted in accordance with chapter 162. I have had communication with with the owner regarding this case. They they have signed up for the program that the county has is working on in conjunction with FEMA, but other than that, I have had no additional communication. On April 21st, 2025, I conduct a review of the Charlotte County permitting database, finding no permit issued for the remodel or demo of the property. That concludes my testimony. All right, I'm gonna go ahead and enter and order a finding violation. Give them 30 days come to compliance. They're after face filing $100 per day tending violation and I'm going to go ahead and enter an order of finding a violation, give them 30 days come to compliance, they're have to face $500 per day for continuing violation and I'm going to award a bateman. That's necessary. All right, that's it. The question I had actually is for the two Sean's. Is there a requirement that high level people in the community development department have the name Sean or is that just a you know like? Okay, good. That's what you know. And I apologize to hack parthums. No, I just Runnin' through it. You jump in if you want to say we're going to go through and fix the orders yeah I think I looked actually only one or two that I didn't ask for and those were well on their way the concern I had the issue I was I was thinking about was these cases are raw, you know, lack of building permit, all IPMC cases, and I didn't see anything that was actually flood plain or 50% rule, and that maybe just because you haven't got to those stages yet because people haven't, but you know, these have all been substantial damage determined. Because Because they haven't made their submissions basically. So the reason I bring that up is because on make sure that when people come in what happen, what I've seen happen, other jurisdictions not here, is they get some permits, they get halfway through, and then they find out, oops, I tripped the rule and I'm like, why did I spend $150,000 doing all this stuff and now I I can't. And that's why I spoke with a couple of people outside and said, you know, don't put windows and doors in a place and then expect that you don't change the entire feature of what you're looking at here. And make sure that they, and this is us for the public, just make sure that when you have a contractor submits things that when they submit an estimated value, sometimes they're just lazy and they put in a value that's higher than what you're paying them to do the work, which is ridiculous, because that hurts you. If you get something done to cost $20,000 and they put it's a $35,000 job, well that's 15,000 that just ate away your 50% rule calculation for no reason, because someone in the office you know just typed in a generic number because they're you know that's an issue. And the only other concern I have is that if any of these have a substantial damage determination already on them that should probably be raised in the code case so that they know that they've already been- difference are our assessment cases. Yes, because they've already been hit with the 50% rule. And what I don't want to see is I don't want to see people go through six months of trying to get that all resolved, only to find out. Well, you still never really addressed the first issue. Yeah. And our assessments, our initial assessments aren't based on 50% or anything at that point it's based on our inspections that show that they're you know they're substantially damaged. Okay we don't go into the to the percentages at that point that's a calculation that comes up later. Just to add to that even outside the code cases the on the floodplain management side, we have sent notices to that we believe their structures, likely substantially damaged. Even before these code cases, I believe started. I just want to make sure, I want to see where we were in the kind of process of this. I do believe hundreds of cases, those letters have been sent out for thousands. Thousands. Thousands. Yeah. We've sent that thousand. Yeah. So the ones that we do have right now were the worst of the worst and that's where we want to start because this is the worst of the worst. You've got some pretty good ones actually because they're mostly all coming in to compliance. Which is great. And this number started out somewhere in the 60s. And we took it down that much just by noticing the people that, hey, this is coming up. Some of them had already started the process, which was great. Some of them started the process right then. And Gary kept an eye on those until we had an issued permit. After the issued permit, we said, we'll just push these aside for a little bit, because we have a process going on. Like he said, we had a few that were entered, that were submitted, but they weren't approved yet. They hadn't been through the process. So that's why we went ahead and brought those cases to you. Does FEMA, does FEMA sent you a separate list? Well, they didn't leave county. That would be for the building official at this point. Does sometimes they expect those cases to come to code enforcement even if they haven't done anything. They haven't said to soliciss similar to Lee counties but there are all the properties that we did dam assessment. We're already on board. Within a special flood correct. Correct. Okay. All right. That's all I just want those clarifications kind of get myself, these cases, come back where they are. Are we going to have to do any more special hearings on these? We will probably have to create possibly, have to create another couple. We'll just see how things keep going. Like I said, this was to get rid of the ones that we were afraid might blow around come August. So we just needed to get these out of the way because we were hoping that within that 90 to, you know, in that period we can get these removed actually. And then hopefully be safe enough for the next season. All right. Well thank you guys very much I appreciate it I got to fix a bunch of words so we're here for one and that's it we're done.