7 o'clock we'll call to order the April 17th meeting of the Sarge County Planning Commission. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's great. A gracious file that we've held for you tonight giving you thanks for the sacrifice of your son Jesus Christ that we are so meditating on this week during the Holy Week. We give you thanks for that grace and mercy that brought him into our lives Father we ask now that you bless this meeting tonight that we may do your will You're good and perfect will and at all we do and say be pleasing in your sight We ask is in the strong and powerful name of Christ our Lord I want you to have a copy that genderimmed in the packet? Is there a motion to approve the agenda? Move the agenda. Proof the attendance, present. Second. Second. All in favor? Aye. I'm opposed. All right. You also have in your packet hood you read through it the March minutes is there a motion to approve the March minutes estimated? I'm going to go be a good March minutes. Is there a second? A second. Favorite say aye. Aye. Opposed? All right. We will now recess the regularly scheduled call meeting for a public hearing on the Patel Conditional Use Permit for a convenience store or or a get-and-keep-the-feet source-last-guest station. Staff, would you like to give your report? In your package you do have a staff report on this project. The current front The editor is Diane Ray. But the applicant is Mike Patel, and is going to be changing the name of the CUP for a business name. The property is identified as Texas also 85A, 100 in San. It's located at 177 here in the direction of Poway. This is how it's been 16 while before. At the intersection of defense, where everything's highway. I'm totally operated at Sunday's restaurant and also common admission is to face the police corridor. On the parcel is 3.44 acres. And it is located in the General Agricultural Zoning District, which is not entirely the land used map as a source for the area. The proposed use is a convenience-storage-ass station, also included a fuel pump to play with the shared demolishing and existing infrastructure, which was previously used as a church. It also converted the restaurant building into the convenience storage of also the central hot food. On the setbacks, the unique serve requirements, the preliminary plans indicate a front setback of 120-pound feet from the satellite of the Westbound lanes in Thailand, which is 360, rear boundary of here setback of 105 feet, sides of 300, and then the pleasure of the existing structure on the Hebrew church is at this 90 fee. Because this is a new use, we need to have to reach out for VDOG regarding the entrance. They have provided some preliminary guidance on that. But we'll require additional work before an entrance from it is issued. Oh, we did include a specific condition related to that in the recommended conditions for the process. The parking means requirements of the zoning ordinance, so we require four space for every 300 square feet of retail floor space, and screening of the parking area is not required based on the zoning ordinance, but only the five green areas, at least 20 spaces. the zoning ordinance, both the convenience store and the gas station are established as conditional use permit required, as conditional use system, if required, to both uses in the general agricultural zone and the district. On this 12 adjacent parcel owners, approximately half of them are dwellings. other half are mix of open land and in commercial use including the general dollar store as well as a vacant lot that she's got for the homes for inventory there is also an whole office building there. The zoning ordinance about guidance on the factors that H.D. considered. We're looking at a conditional lease permit that is reshaken in consideration when we get to the options that you have. There are four conditions that are pretty standard for conditional uses. Those are included as number one, two, five, and six in your packet, and simply relates to adhering to federal state local laws, building the project in accordance with the application and the site plan, allowing access to public staff is needed, and then revocation of the permit indicates a field fraction. We are adding two additional recommended conditions. Number three and four, number three is prior to issues of ability permit and a free feedback interest permit be required. And number four, the applicant Shokha Plot, La Shala County sports outdoor lighting requirements, which are found in zoning order section 10, 7, 10. On the knees simply relate to having full cutoff, full cutoff, fixtures outside, and then also avoid spillover onto adjacent residential parcels. Because of the use of it, it is a gas station. You can do this as a base. And they would have some additional lighting to felt that was important to include. The planning commission has three options to consider. Option one is to recommend approval of the application. You can also recommend the title of the application, or you can defer action to a future meeting. A reason to have identified that you might consider approval of the application is that the vision statement and the comprehensive plan includes the provision of retail and services to all the students to meet the needs of county residents. The comprehensive plan also addresses supporting the expansion of a justified economy. The proposed use of the federal federal tax base is a position that does not negatively impact the care of the communities and lastly the location is identified in the future ladies' bath as a birthboard or a reasons for denial may include that the proposed use is not compatible with the rural character of the community. And that the proposed use has negative impacts that cannot be mitigated. And we were at the joint-denified and specific issues that are Arkansas and the P.D.s that one. And the other option for my opinion is there's already another reading and reading, it's got the file of that native tape which is following the report, there is a complete of the applications, and well, just yet, it's not a minimum for one of the entire All righty, there the applicant want to make any comments? Yes sir, a few steps today. You don't want to, okay? No comments from the applicant? Any comments from the public? Boss, he's going to that Ms. Bowman's booth, you had the one that you received electronically. Yes, I have a email from Sandra Tann on cheese cracker's account. Is this thank you for choosing to be part of our community and contributing to the work that is involved with. As far as your new community, I'm hoping to encourage the commitment to maintaining a clean and buying business. Your location will be gateway to the southern part of the county, and unfortunately, the existing service stations in the area struggle to keep track of the stuff. The increasing presence of litter and garbage should be of age concern to us all. Could you add a simple permit condition that would require businesses to keep littering garbage picked up on net premises and the surrounding areas? By implementing these measures businesses can promote it because you can be wealthy being and anything that's luckily welcoming environment, everything else probably needs to be done. Thank you. Do we have anybody else on it? No, there are public comments. Okay. We have any questions or comments from the commission. My guess in response to that is there is that a condition or is that what the, what she read, the email, the concern that the citizen had about trash and all is that anything we have any control over or can through condition or what's your thoughts on that? I think you'd be a little look at a condition you probably would just make a condition related to the placement of trash receptacles outside. I don't think we can control, in control whether or not they're actually going out there thinking of trash on the property that something is difficult to oversee. But I think you can remove our placement of trash receptacles out there for use by customers. All right. Any other questions, comments? All right. We will hear by a join during the public hearing and the call meeting is now back in session. At this time on the agenda we'll consider a conditional use permit for the committee store gas stations. Anyone like to make a motion? I'll make a portion when you start that. So you're saying this court is with option one. So there's a motion to approve the application and points with option one and the provisions there in. Is there a second? A second. All right. Any discussion? Okay. All in favor? Say aye. Can I just not say sorry. Is that along with the recommended conditions? Yes ma'am. The motion is to accept option one with the recommended conditions as included in the back. Okay. Thank you. and the second was good for that. Yes. All right. Any other questions? Right now we'll call for the question. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed by lights on? All right. What is clarification on that? Yes ma'am. So recommend the conditions that that include anything about the additional tractor scepticals or just what's all the same. I'll amend it. Okay. At least have the sample of those after trash. Okay. Yeah, we do a lot. We're doing modified Roberts rules or so. Okay, so yes. So the motion is all the things, bus, I don't know if you can check. Having an average of three and a half. Remember or do you want to say anything? Hmm. Four. How many gas pumps are there? Eight pumps. So that would be... You said, it would be... There would be a diesel over two on the side. So there would be four on one side and four on the other? Okay, then. I didn't make the motion. You didn't want to get the amendment from the motion. Well, this is to eight, which has got eight blocks. Okay, so the motion is to approve option number one with the condition stated in the packet, plus the condition that proprietor will have eight, at least eight waste receptacles on the public. Now is there a second for that? All right, a second. Any discussion on that? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed by lights on? All right, now we. All right. Now, we've got that. All right. So now is the general public comment period. Do we have anybody sign up for that? All right. All right. All right. Now, the next item on the agenda is to discuss the battery energy storage zoning and then just a few comments before we get into the discussion. We'll get staff reports and I propose that we handle each one of these like we did last time one at a time that at the end of discussing each one of these items that I propose unless there's nobody wants to make a motion, but I would propose that we would take a vote on each one of these items. We would then, if we elect to do some of the suggestions that have been made by staff. I, he, breaking down the tiers of the different, different tiers on the, on the, on the, on the, trying to say on the, matrix, matrix, thank you. Then we would have to have a public hearing. So what we would do is at that point, we voted on each thing, we would then have a public hearing. After the public hearing, we would make a motion to accept the package and send that up. Does that sound about right, Mark? Anybody good with that? We're going to approach. Okay, so first item, sub item on the list is fire risk. why go ahead and give us your staff report, and I'll say that monarchy did a good job putting these together. Very good. You all did give me a whole lot of homework as a last meeting. The fire concerns and the fire risk, I think you specifically asked that we reach out to the fire chiefs and also look at sighting agreements and conditions. Looking at sighting agreements and conditions for projects that have already been approved for battery-energy storage, I will note that these are really important documents because they travel with the project throughout their life. the project is going to prove by the Board of Supervisors and his and the actual construction, we are frequently looking back to those documents. So you do want to capture really specific details in there. And that's what I saw in the ones that I reviewed. A lot of times repeated, and those fire and safety provisions from the ordinance in these documents. And then they also included some additional ones. Some of them I think that will be less relevant, more different requirements such as the re-murtsment, fort emergency response, service costs, which would cover any costs that was experienced, usually, incident at one of the facilities. And then the provision of protective fuel was included in some of them. And there was a lot of requirements relating to the ordination of the fire and safety, whether that was through the summit safety direct from the local fire department, sort of the fire alarm tray. I also reached out to the Virginia Department of Energy on this. Aaron Berryhill has been a great resource on a lot of things regarding solar and wood battery energy storage as well. He noted that there were two things he saw things that was important when he looked at fire safety. First was properly designed off facilities and avoid fire by adopting the NFPA 855 codes. That's already in what we're recommending. So it's already incorporated into your draft. And the second was an adequately spaced facilities that avoid spread, potentially prior to the battery use. So the spacing between the cabinets is really important. So if you have an incident in one cabinet, it's not going to reach another cabinet. He had previously noted that the Dominion had some fairly stringent requirements on this, and it was their expectation that projects that they purchased met these requirements. He had provided them as that chair that went on previously. I did include those at hand in case that's all you're interested in for grading. I also reached out to the seven fire chiefs and provided their notes. They are a lot of them had some of the same things to say I didn't do what they we also had them in public safety director he was with us for Russell who is the fire chief at Shaw at four house. A lot of them focused on the fire suppression systems and equipment that are already there. Most of them indicated they did not feel that this was a major concern, that they knew what their resources were and the training was a key element. I think Cheyenne really brought up the point of making sure that all seven farmers are trained each time rather than just training the local one as I'm sure Chris been studying it and then a lot of times when we have a response it's not just one involvement that's going to be responding it's going to be one to one so they all need to have a good idea of what's going on and I understand that maybe well it has been coordinating and looking at a fire training 101 for us that they're going to be doing potentially for the local fire departments on matter energy storage to get them up to speed on it. Okay. Me and the other things on there, Billy Walker, Austin, talked about the importance of using dope campaign batteries, which is something that we have done already. But then Austin, the important thing is of recognizing battery quality is different and understanding not only the brands of batteries or battery technology, but what specific batteries are included. So based on that, we have several recommendations. You can take multiple of these, you can see that we have kind of proven from the conversations we had. The first is to incorporate spacing requirements into the draft ordinance. The second is to update section 10, 24, 14, 8 to specify that the training is for all seven prior departments. The third is focused on conditions you might want to consider in the future if you do adopted ordinance and are looking at projects. And then the last one, if you're looking at, if you have additional questions potentially reach out, to fire safety consultants for a little more detailed information. But I think what we have is a pretty good way of addressing the concerns that you have. I don't know if you need to go in the front of detail really in the ordinance than what is presented here. That may come later like when you're looking at conditions that society will create this. Okay, Mr. Russell, did you want to say anything? I can't. I can't see that man. Yo. Yo. We have met with them a few months back. And we were under the impression that I had every chief got to meet. So not everybody had the same information. But we were under the impression that we would treat this more like we would treat a sub station by. You're never going to see us go into a substation and try to put one of those out. It's more of a hands off, it's going to self-contained, it's going to do its thing, you're going to put it out or burn it self out. From what they had told us, the biggest concern is going to be the smoke. So that depends a lot on where you place it, whether the smoke will be a factor in which way the wind's blowing. So that's a lot of what ifs. So what they say is what's going to come about or what would come about. It's pretty much a hands off deal. You wouldn't send anybody inside. Risk a lot, to save a lot, risk a little. Save a little. You consider that little. Let it try to put itself out. That's how I interpreted it in a lot of them there there that night. It wouldn't be a big manpower thing that you would have to try to do. Worse case scenario, you may have to do some shelter in place or maybe some localized evacuation. It's been known for weather and wind conditions. Any questions? When you mention get what you mentioned. Evacuations. Whose responsibility would it be to decide if that becomes necessary and how big that would be? I don't think it would be achieved so qualified to make something like that. I would hope that would be part of that training. It just tells about the training. It doesn't go into specifics. But I would be, whoever's first there, and being it's a volunteer, or most of all volunteer fire, I can't promise you who's going to be the first there. It all depends on time of day and when. You might have a few, you might not have hardly any. Who's there is going to have to make that first call because the other one's going to say, hey, this is drifting this way or this is going that way. And hopefully that would all be in that frame. A lot of this is already taking hazmat ops and all that. So that would play into it. It has matters, has matters, you know, you don't have to know everything that's in the smoke to know you don't need to be in it. We would pretty much the first ones they would make that call. And then I'm sure we'd have to enlist help with this deputies and state police and everything. depending on where they put this life you put it in an area that's not densely populated then it wouldn't be a big issue so. Would you know the proposal on patient office? I do not. It's on 92 point bar of and shape city. Just west of where the power line crosses 92 in the air. It's like an open cutaway area. In how these close by, I'm sure some are there. Probably three or four on that. So. I Indian right there. And I would strongly encourage to educate the people that would be around us. Hey, you know, this is a potential. And this is what we would need you to do if this come about, just to be on the safe side. Anything else? But we are here to discuss the ordinance, not the particular. Yeah. Yeah, the only thing I'm reading through it, I'm a little concerned about is the training, how much? And, you know, is it a few nights, is it a few weeks? a month, then it gets a little tricky. I don't think it would be that long. From what they have told us, it's not really going to get that involved, but you have to realize the volunteers, it's going to be all the time bound for a lot of training. You know, and I'll elsewhere. But from what I've seen, I don't see it being in depth that much. But it could be wrong. Well, there could be some new technology that comes out that's completely different than how you handle it, whatever it is. It will be. What they have trained us is self-contained and it has its own suppression system. So it should activate itself, correct me if I'm telling this wrong, but it should activate itself and hopefully that will contain it and put it out. If it doesn't, then it will be a pressure, the events will open and it will burn itself out. It shouldn't be any danger of spreading and going to the next one. They look like contacts boxes if everybody is familiar with it. It shouldn't be an easy way for the sprayer from Wanted Up. Thank you, Mr. Wilson. Appreciate it. Any questions for a lot of our staff on this? I would just ask about, as far as if evacuation did happen, I noticed it says in the review of the site and agreement conditions that as far as like with the fire department and everything, they're reimbursed from the, is that part of it also in the sighting agreement or conditions where if an evacuation was deemed necessary that then the developer would be paying for relocation of residents and all but anything to do with evacuation is that part of that? I did not see anything at that level. Most of it was a grass-thing to emergency services cost. An evacuation is usually going to be short term and temporary related to the smoke or the gas or whatever and would be finished short term. Well, I mean, like in California, what? You know, that lasted for days and they had to relocate. People would evacuate. I forgot how many thousands of people. But I'm just, I know I'm saying we're totally different. We're a small little community, but I just do think that if, I mean, that should be maybe, I know we wouldn't be putting it it in the ordinance but I just wanted to bring it up now as far as for the future if I think that would be something that they the developer should pay for if it's if an evacuation is deemed necessary. And the size of the project may play into that and as a project in California was a fairly large project so that may be far enough but it may be relevant to what we're doing to it's something we probably need more information on. All right so as far as the ordinance itself is concerned and whatever recommendations we could make and potentially change and the ordinance are recommended to the board of supervisors, are there any of these four, we can discuss these four, any of these fours that we think should be in the ordinance to go to number one as far as the spacing. Should that be in the ordinance or can we do that as part of the siding because of the different technologies and different things that probably will develop? Because we may say ten feet in the ordinance and it really ought to be 30 feet when it comes time to do it. The issue with that is this is gonna dictate what your concept plan looks like, which is what you're gonna get with an application. So if you're making it a requirement, it would be something that would be to do the flight really up broad, because it's going to affect how they design a site, which are how to play with a plate. We can get a picture of it there. What can we phrase it such that the basic example that Dominion April 11, 2024, or so on, to all in Georgia, that is RFP, that they're recommended spacing, shall be adhered to, or would we have to go and regurgitate Everything that's in here like reference their standards show me dominion power standards for separation Well, there's a which I probably will do anyway. There's no selling to the man power If you look at the first page the first bullet item on the RFP there it We can borrow that language without referring to the whole document. 1A. I think there's, um, or the whole one. Yeah, I think you've got it. Those are different things. Well, first of all, C is we've already got something in it. It's C, so probably 1A and 1B. And two is just scenarios. So, three is says say what you can do in new of this separation you can do firewall. Yeah that's what three saying. I don't know that we have to copy three, but you could say, or firewalls, and then get into it if the developer wanted to put those firewalls, we could deal with that in the finish. Yep, so it would be basically regargetating 1a and b With a different C being Yes, because C we said we did all that stuff around the buffer outside defense and the buffer inside defense And that is sort of in conflict right C's which leaves C out so but our new C would be Well,, one thing we just had, that is a separate firewalls or... Or, well, yeah, I see what you're going to see with the firewalls. So you could say, or firewall approved in the conditions. I'm just trying to move the phone right or firewalls in it. I don't know that we have enough information to get into fire walls because they haven't defined the fire wall and I so could you say or fire walls pending conditional use parameters or or a if it has if designated in the condition needs instead of pending. Or would we leave it out and leave it up to a applicant to say hey we can't can't do that 1A. Yeah, but you've got to wedge it up in the door because this is an ordinance. Right, okay. Monica, what would you suggest to him? Do you conical fit in there? What we have for some of the other requirements? Where there's a wave on the space, sink, and fire with all? There you go. The wave works, you did. Maybe this will work, it's a wrap. Okay. We don't have to, or it's missed it right. Right. It's an acid. So, so Monica, could you... So we don't, we won't vote on this right now. But if you would add to make your item one in your recommendations, say 1A and 1B plus one waiver, whatever you do. Where the text from, and where you want to go. We're going to try to avoid referencing an RFP. Right. OK, so that takes care of one. Anybody, any thought about including the training for all seven fire departments and putting that in the ordinance? think that's a good thing or a conditional use thing? Well, if you put it in the ordinance, with every new, I'd say we got 20 applications, with every new applicant that's not going to be the trailer again. So, shouldn't that just be in one of the conditions? Good point. And then you could always say the new technology comes along and you could include that in that condition of these two. Okay. So consensus skip number two and include that in the condition. All right. The three, if requiring the facility to reimburse local fire rescue and law enforcement for expenses recurred. I like that one. And the ordinance. in product data sheets, that's a good one, I mean that's a no brain or there on that. So, you know, in any given moment in time, things change. So there has to be a, a dozen of things to say, anything changes after recent part of the petal sheet. Because it shouldn't be a burden on staff to try to find them. I know it's a fun time when we did something. If we were tenant of a building, we had to just give them all new ones every time because they weren't responsible for figuring out what it changed. Okay. Are there any? Is there anything else that anybody can think of right now? So I have a kind of a question. I should have asked it during the staff comments. I like what Mr. Russell, I appreciate that you state. And I have a direct question. Sure. So I think I'm kind of direct and see, we have, I think there are the edge of a gas, a natural gas pipeline and we have liquids pipelines or a liquid pipeline in the, but we don't have any pumping or repressurization stations in the county for those pipelines. So on that day, we have a pump station in Redhouse. Okay, and that one's in the county. Is that gas or liquid over over there? Yeah, yeah Okay, so You all somebody over there has been the hazmat I know when the when the pipeline blew above the repressurization station and in Appomatis County people would have died if the sheriff's deputy had noticed the clock fire and immediately evacuated houses and then there wasn't enough press on that but I went up there and looked at it when it when it happened right yeah it was impressive it was impressive that they saved lives and it was impressive in a negative way the outcome I I guess what I'm saying is that that's a similar hazard, right? Smoke, don't want to be in smoke, whatever. So some of the police and fire have been training as a result of the gas pipelines as far as there's some hazmat training in the county because we might have to evacuate, say, for station. Yeah it's possible for that we just had a pipeline training with Moe and Kendrick at the Bay Conditionary on the way. Did their procedures with what they want us to do and what we expect? And that included evacuation? If you could get to that evacuation, being in the liquid form, then that would suggest you carry a sink and these two. It's possible, not likely, but possible. Okay, so, but it has to catch fire, basically. So is there anything in that when dealing with for basically so is there anything in that When dealing with those pipelines is there anything about the pipeline about reimbursements from the pipeline companies from kindergarten or whatever Have we if we got something that we can borrow that would strengthen this as far as he If it is I have it soon. Okay. This is, they've been there a long time, right? Those pipelines been there a while. Does it have lines? 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Yeah, because I didn't realize that that was going to be part of the ordinance. So then yes, if we're going to require them to reimburse them. Well, I think it's not unlikely. Well, I was not to be an inflammatory part of the pun, but the example in Apple Mice County is the most gracious example I can think of. Because houses did have to be reimbursed. We're going to have don't remember Well, I know what this would do to a civil case though if somebody wanted to clean damages and it was like, no, the ordinance says, all I got to do is reimburse you for a night at the motel eight. And it's like, no, I lost income from my online, whatever. So I'd have to bring up a good question that I feel like I dropped the ball on. We said we were going to let it burn, you know, but we know what it has. How long did it take? If the suppression system doesn't work, you say, well, this one would let itself burn out. How did it take better than it just brings it up? How long was that thing? Too long. See, yeah. Well, I'll put the weight in there. What did you burn for? Days, I know. Days, I know. Days, I know. Yeah, something like that. And that was big, but... I mean, that would be, I think there would be so many variables in that because of part 1. One will burn for X. It catches two-on-fire, or they will fire at the same time, or different times. Then did you catch three-on-fire? If they all call it a fire, it probably will burn at the same amount of time as one catcher will fire. Because we're going to burn out one time. It's one of those. But if they all didn't sequence, it could be whatever. But as far as the ordinance, so what we're thinking is. Can we add local government to local fire rescue and law enforcement? Because the scenario you're talking about will cost the county. I don't think these are hot cost issues for the developer because I don't think it's likely that. I think these are issues that are deferred to their insurance. So I'm wondering if you would say they're go and load the fire rescue law enforcement, local government, kindergarten kids, whatever you say, you shall reimburse for damages incurred whatever it's a facility. Reimbursed, aggrieved parties or what it should we say those things should be specific or be general? Well for those things it's for expenses Okay, so they had local government that don't think it hurts anything to say that Any objections to that Think you get beyond that. I think somebody's going to have to prove damaging. All right, so just to recap, we're going to have Monica come back with a recommendation that incorporates the spacing as we talked about earlier. We're going to skip number two. Is that where we hold re-tip? We're not going to put that in there. That'll be part of the condition. We will add item number three, first bullet including local government. and then we'll include the second bullet as well. Anything else? Yes, sir. Should we, would this be the place to spell out, if there was an incident, who would be in charge of collecting people's bills or claims and is that something the company would do or they're going to be busy dealing with all the other fallout should that be a responsibility of the county. I would think it would be of each individual be responsible for going to the developer and saying, hey, give me, you know, X. And then it would be a civil matter, I guess, at that corner. It would be a criminal. I don't know how I'm on water. Well, wouldn't the, I mean, the fire chiefs be the the ones or whoever's there as far as an evacuation say. Then they get evacuated and they have to go somewhere than you're saying that those people would be it's on them to them or who pays, I guess, who's paying for their relocation at that moment and where are they going to go? It would be the developer to pay for it as far as there's other two things I don't know. But like say the fire, okay, so the fire chief that evacuates people, where's he evacuating them to and what is, is that going to be something they're trained at and, you know, and then who puts that bill initially I guess. Okay. To go. Okay. So they all have to go somewhere and then it's on them to try to get any money from the developer for anything done. The citizens. I was thinking with author, some of them were like, female, there's a natural disaster. And we know how great we are. You know, I was playing against, you know, whoever, you know, that was a good example. Yeah, I'm happy. But... And we know how great. But I mean that's how. But an example of somebody in charge has got to manage this situation. It makes your payments are adequate of made and we don't have each person as an individual that could be affected trying to fight it out with a company, a big, nameless company. You also kind of need to imagine a significant number of these, if there are any number of them are one of the Dominions just like everything else and Dominions. But not necessarily. No not necessarily. What I mean I wouldn't rely on that I would take that into my thinking that might meet your definition of Big Mac nameless company. But I don't care what it was for me. OK. Well, these old guys got insurance companies. They said it would be a fight with it, but some of these insurance companies. So, all right. So what if we did this? What if we said that the developer, again, working in the thing that we don't expect will happen, right? But we saw it happen in other states, so we're going to try to be smarter than that. What if we set up front just like the material safety data sheets there? Those material safety data sheets are only in the possession of the county in the unlikely event that somebody other than the specially trained operators come in contact with those materials. So just having a material safety data sheets implies something's happened that one's supposed to happen, but we're asking for those. So just likewise in the, something is happening that one's supposed to happen. We say up front that the developer and the operator must maintain a contact person and that, that, that name and address and, and 24-hour phone number has to be on file at the county and with the emergency services department. Now you don't worry about nameless or they changed because they sold it, they sell all seats and other else. It was just fine. I'm not saying that's evil. That happens. But we've said in the ordinance that there has to be an emergency contact on hand and that emergency contact has to be able to handle these unlikely outcomes. Just like the, I guess we all know what a material safety data sheet is, but we don't appreciate that material safety data sheet unless something bad has happened. That's why we have it. Right, so just like that, we would just say the developer or the operator, or the current operator, is if there electrons flowing they have to have an emergency contact it's 24 hours and that has to be named and phone number as we kept up the date with the emergency services office and the county administration and now it's still not quite so named as that condition or numbers. I put it in your. Could we ask? Yes. Not only have a contact in the phone number, but have a template that gets activated. If this happens, these are the steps that we're going to follow. That's a great up. Well, there's a requirement in order to play in an already and the ordinance. All of that is already built. And I'm not sure if it includes a contact in the office. But it does require, it requires the drafts and the spinal, all of that is already built in, and I'm not sure if it includes a contact in the office, but it does require, it requires the drafts and the final way of all. So those pieces are already in there and part of what's in the draft. And that'd be a public document, just like all doctors. And I would give, I mean, do we know, for those that were impacted by the fire in South Hill, was there something involved to protect those people so we don't have... Well, we ought to ask, I mean, staff could call down there and talk to their counterpart and ask that question because we don't, they unless you know the town south you'll kept updating their Facebook page saying you know if you've had to evacuate contact you know they might need to contact they kept updating it on Facebook where else it was I don't know mean some of the stuff is just saying to practice and practice. have a way to find it. I'm very, you're on the ask-in. I think we're getting in the weeds on some of the stuff that's happening. I mean, some of the stuff is just saying to practice and conflict. So, we didn't have like any emergency out there. Yeah, that's here. That's here. When there ends in a emergency that has really specific evacuation procedures and how that's implemented, so those things come into play. We don't have to have one specifically full battery introduced to Orange because there's an emergency operation plan that's countywide. And all the fire departments are aware of that in this whole company that we update every five years and is required by the Virginia Department of Emergency and so I don't know that we need to capture every element and how we're going to process payments for potential fire and evacuation in the ordinance. I think we're getting down into the weeds and trying to make it a little more complicated than it needs to be. Well right now the ordinance says NFPA 74 placards on appropriate warning signage that complies with NFPA 855 and identifies the owner and a 24-hour emergency contact phone number Chevy Place at Alejandro's. So we got that covered. St. Data Sheets, about to do this owner administrator, director of public safety, response training. So there's a lot in there. There's eight different old Beijing ahead. One of the fire stuff. So to try to recap what we're saying to the road page where all the notes are. I think it gets back to the reimbursed thing. So the reimbursed thing, where have we started? So we had talked about Andy suggested that Monica see what Appomatis did for reimbursement. Well and the Mecklenburg fertilizer might be a better example. So Monica you got the other things we've already gone over add to that see how the reimbursement was handled. Or you know, just things they wish they had in place for those, because those of those things probably had CUPs back in the day, but they probably, once they had an outcome, they probably wish they had something different. Okay. Okay. So I have monitored anything else when you have questions Okay, so what we'll do is we'll come back in May Well, we regroup here to minute at the end all right, so straight on, as far as decommissioning, once you give us your staff report on anything else on the fire. All right, decommissioning, Monica, if you give us your summary of your staff report. So the question on decommission regarding you about regard as the ability to obtain an accurate and decommissioning estimates. This is a fairly young industry. That is addressed in Section 10, 2014, 15 of the proposed ordinance. Mr. Barry, you all stated that I think the change, which is language that we had previously looked at and it's provided in your recommendations is number one. Makes sense for decommissioning, but it is not necessary. One could probably say the same thing about solar facilities that nobody's truly experienced in removing them either. And we discussed this a little bit, and he talked about the change in technology over the time. Even though solar has been around for a while, technology has changed some with that and implementation has changed, it looks as facilities. He says there seems to be plenty of consultants that are able to practice the conditions and prepare here at these stores if they do so in other states for several years. I think it's big to engineers including Matt Haineh, who is Summit that is the county's consultant on the Courthouse Solid Project and also enabled Barob with Tim enabled Pharaoh, like Tim and Drew, and Sean Malone with Kim Lee Corm. These are people that have done a lot of the air projects in the past, just always that have been approved. And asked him about their role in the matter, interview storage. And they've really provided some useful insight. They were very generous with their time, and helped out a lot, I think, on some of these points. They noted that much of the infrastructure and equipment that will be on these facilities, such as the substation and the inverters and the lines, or things that are in other types of energy projects, so people do have experience, people that is types of things. While other aspects are familiar to the Dutch field sites, such as removal of roads, gravel lots, concrete pads and piers, fencing, capsule replacement, grading receding. The also-nated battery life is only 10 to 12 years while the inverter substations and lives went along the lifespan, and batteries will probably be replaced multiple times during the life of the project. As we know, and as they said, battery recycling programs in the US are in their infancy. And that is a challenge when you talk about getting rid of these. But I think an important thing for me to hear was that owners have a contractual agreement with their battery suppliers and manufacturers. They usually have an agreement that requires the suppliers come in and take back the batteries at the end of their light. So they come in, they may take the whole container out, which is a container out, and they may take the batteries out of, and package them and ship them out and replace them. So I think that's a really important element when you think about the number of batteries are on the side. It's something that I'm incorporating into the recommendations on that. The first one was to revise a language in 10, 2014, 15, which also happens to have somebody experience in battery energy storage. Decommissioning to instill the specify the estimate would be provided provided by an independent third party professional engineer with expertise in battery energy storage facility construction and industrial scientific commissioning. That way that we familiar with the components of the system and they'll also know about generally commissioning activities. And then the second is, if an ordinance is adopted, I recommend including in project conditions requiring applicants to provide a copy of their agreement with the battery manufacturer or the supplier to productivation and something of their building from it. So now the citizen document shown that they've got somebody who's responsible for dealing with the batteries at the Indian use line and that's in place before we would ever allow them to fill up the cellar. Why did you charge your core charge when you take a battery back if you will bring one? I just wanted to put some kind of agreement if I'll say you want what you had to give me one back. No, I think they're making money because the leds work more than $10. Alright, thank you Monica. Any thoughts on more recommendations? I think you're pretty clear. Anybody got anything they want to add or have Monica do some more of that group work. Okay so I think we're good on the decommissioning. I want you to go into the tiers. The tier question related to the smaller tier was up to 600 kilowatt hours. So it's been raised to a question about allowed fees in the residential facilities district because of close proximity to talent and higher events at the development fair. I did the John again, Mr. Barry Hill provided some information on that and this seems to be the most challenging issue that I dealt with. He says, I have not seen any distinction, other the 600 kilowatt hours before, generally by a certain moment, simply distinguish between accessory use and primary use. So whether it's the main activity, like in utility scale, or whether it's an accessory, let's move this, let's draw a hoe. He talked about the difficulties in that and also reference the 4.50 lightening use, but they haven't had anything to look up to your home. So the engineers also provided some input on this. All of them talked about how challenging this is and what is. And then residential battery energy storage is likely to grow. And that as the future progresses, we're likely to see needs at home that you've changed our time to the battery usage change, but that which makes it also challenging. I did receive a comment recently from East Point Energy, bought here, County apparently, is trying to do the same thing that you are looking at in three-tier systems. So I will try to get some more input from them on this and what they are doing with it. But we came up with a couple of suggestions first. You can make them change, just do what it means and like it is. If it's something you really feel like you can see, you can feel as we came up with 150 kilowatt hour division. Feeling like this would accommodate the truck as well as 50 I'm going for the house, knowing that the home, I think the average is 75. So it kind of covered by the scenario. In item two, it does allow for larger ones and residential and village center if you get a conditional use permit. Majority three, shown there is the same thing thing but there's no option to increase it with a conditional use in the residential area so it would keep it at that 150 percent. Any thoughts on two different tiers or anything else, Monica said. The action that we need, you said you're going to hear from your checkup talk here. I will see what they're coming up with. I think this is kind of a new field. We haven't seen, they're just ordering the out. So they trying to cook out what we're doing. We're that threshold ends. You've been on your comfort level and maybe the city that you're dealing with and you could certainly move it one way or the other. But I do see some potential issues in the future that does the cumble popular. Just like generators get around here and having people have backup generators now. 15 years ago, nobody had a backup generator now. We see applications for them all the time. I'm better introduced to Orch. Maybe the next thing that comes along like that. So we've made you come up with a catalyst and we're making you do business. Oh, so if you have a charging station, You have a charging station, they have regular charge points which are like 150 megawatts per hour. That's different from megawatts different from megawatt hours. It's how fast you can charge. And then the Tesla Supercharger stations, which all Tesla stations are superchargers, in my 150, some are 250, I think, but I'm not sure if I should look this up. The Supercharger ones can go faster because they have batteries on the site. We don't have any charging stations in Charlotte County, do we yeah, so if we don't have now, we'll have them pretty soon, right? We have them in fall and we'll have them in south-boss and we're the midpoint. All right, so the schools, did their charging stations also have batteries? That I do not. Because what I was told at the farm show about a couple of months ago, because they're trying to sell all the farmers' chargers, right? You can charge, I guess this makes sense. I'm just telling you to see if you can find out, or maybe more I can find out. You can charge the battery faster if you have a battery to charge it with, because then you don't need as many amps, right? So you charge the battery all the time that's there, and then when you think that you're going to charge up, you can find some other breaker you need basically, right? So, I mean is that, that seems to fit in this ordinance, this one saying, if the schools have charging stations that themselves have batteries so as to reduce the current drain on the main breaker at the charging station so that they can charge. Then we already have battery and it'd be interesting to know how many kilowatt hours those batteries store. Does that make sense? Because I know some of the charging stations they were trying that I looked at they were selling at the farm show, who had built in batteries in the charging station. Do you see what I'm getting at, Chris? Yes. Okay. And so, Big Ancient and As school, for their charging stations, whether they have batteries and how many kilowatt hours they're in the charging stations. And I think that's going to be one of the challenges you've on is that people are using batteries that you're not aware of or in different ways that you're aware of. I know you're in the public charging stations, I've been aware of, you know, that this could happen some, but I'm sure there's other people that are... Well, just you're not knowing to him, knowing just proves how fast it's changing. But that's going to be the problem with implementing this type of ordinance. I think that's what Erin veryri deal and all of the other engineers are trying to get at. It is just going to be really difficult to know what people have and the moderns of this kind of thing. And you should maybe change how people use batteries. So the conservative approach will go to B2 with number two and for right now. Or actually number one would be the most wide open right? Yeah, one leaves it wide open. The way we have. Yeah, two because then you only got and 600 above So I was at the board super Roger me. I have a question for Hazel Hazel at the time that this conversation they were all the 600 regular Watson They see the 30 for houses But they weren't at that point now the board super Roger members were where there's a hundred and thirty one megawat at F-150 and all that. I mean, I think there's some catching up needs to be done. If they were caught up in the school system already has tortures and so on, I don't think we knew all these things. Yeah. I mean, does that change your... I mean, do we still need to go to number two to accommodate them. We're going to send the board a super out of something they act on after they have a bunch more modification. Well, you know, I had learned much more since I was questioning the numbers and everything. And I'm almost to the point of just having two tiers like the original proposed, particularly no in the school already have the charging stations. I hate to think we have to come back and make the school do a conditional use for them to keep the charging stations, you know. like, I agree with Monica, says, we don't know what's already out there. And we may already have a number out there that are 151, 551 and 600. So I'm almost to the point that, you know, I'm absolutely don't need different tiers, but we don't me different tiers. And then at some point down the road, if you did because this came something, you could always change the ordinance like we're doing that. Right. Do it a minute to the ordinance as we've learned stuff. Where are you going to? Or you could go the other way. I make it straight to your head. Or the other way. I'm sorry you were. Or you'll know what you want to do for that one. You know what the parameters are for making the decision. So are there anything... We talked about voting on some of these things tonight, but now we'll kick them down the road. What's the thought on this issue right here? I'd like to see if far here is doing the same thing before we try to make a decision. So they make it, let them make a decision first or just see what cheetofer. Yeah, they're pay-breathing with that. And then, on the other hand, I think, option number two. And they start off with some control, and then if you decide you don't need it, then you can always get rid of it. Okay, that's my thought. So, where we are right now is, I believe, is that we've got to do to make the recommendations. So we can have Monica take one more bite at the apple, get the fog here and put these other things that we've talked about. But in the next meeting we'll come up with a motion that will encompass these things. We'll have a public hearing. Well, if we don't change the tiers, have we done anything any discussion we've had today require or previous in this meeting would trigger the need to have a public hearing? The spacing may. We'll look at that a little closer and see if we can like that. That is a substantial enough change. I really felt like the only two that might be would be the tiers in the spacing. But I'll take a look at that. Either way, we'll decide in May with what we want to do on these three items. And then come back. Is there anything else I do open that up? But is anything else want since last meeting? Ms. Bowie Smith you talked about minimum acre minimum sizes. Yeah I feel that in there and then why you don't want to accept. Is there any thought on that? Say if you want to do battery and you storage, you got to, if we already got the setbacks, we already got the parameters. So say it's got to be up 20 acre, something with a title with no blue. Five acres is what I was looking for. Five acres, minimum sight. No matter what size, battery, it's got to be five acres or more. Five acres. Well, well, the 600. All right. Yeah, for the tier two. Yeah. So I don't know how much you can get on the five acre, but that would restrict with the setbacks and everything else. How many buyers you could have, but of course, you could go as big as you want. We said that the 600 was about the size of a box truck. Try it. Yeah. Or a car trailer. It's not five by something like that. What we're talking tier two, which is greater than the 600. Right. The minimum lot size of five acres. Where did the re-aggressions, is that some residential size? Did you have that? Unless you're family. Unless you want to have your right, Monica, could you give us some input back on that deal along work on the deal? I don't think there was any. I don't think there was any. I don't think there was. All right, Monica, could you give us some input back on that deal? A little homework. I don't think there was any. I don't think there was any. Alright, could you give us some input back on our little homework on that as well? And we'll make that bullet item number four to talk about in May. Okay, I do have something more here. Prince George and the only acre in your clothes I had on those six, five or six that I looked like. I'm and I look like look at friends George had a minimum of five acres. And I think that these point recommendations that it cooperated like a maximum just based on conversations with the closest citizen. So that was just a recommendation from the developer with the only thing I see is that one family will apply acres. All right, we'll put that on the bullet points. And for next time, you say, OK, we'll make a decision. All right. Anything else before I move on to the next agenda item? All right, Monica, staff report. So the general's effort for it in your packing is a word of the current status of the solar projects. I will note that courthouse solar has been land disturbance permit now. We had expected them to start construction and they're working. To begin with, on the driveway, there's a cross from the unissimitary raise there. We had expected them to start this week, but I think it's probably going to be the next week until we have to before they actually do that. The county does have a construction consultant that's going to be interested in building the official and monitoring that. The division is working on establishing a laid-on yard in the office on Hebrew church rail and on some property that is in the Randolph-Solo project. That's an additional thing that they're doing on offices that they'll be using for a lot of their project. One of the courtyards of the bill is you make sure the second paragraph is you have to make that to Murray. I mean, he was being in the very beginning. Yeah, I noticed that today that had not corrected that from the board before. We were confused whether it was very in the Murray's home. That's very important. On the other solo project applications, I did get called O'Rennock Solar. They are actually looking or acquiring a boundary interview for the soloing announcement. I don't know how that would move forward. That project didn't change. The board did discuss the planning commission representation that they're meeting out on those. You all listen to that. It was often helpful in the spring of the week but they did this act. The discussion is out option to position the impact that they'll hand and leave it as it is. The sort of planning commission is training program is always open to the county and will support that of the call, so that's it today. The Certified Planning Commission is training program that's always open to the county and willing to support that and come to call for that program for you. Jim Van is in it now, following that and Andy's on the committee as well. So if you're interested, you can talk to them about current requirements and their thoughts on the program. We do have several upcoming meetings and public games for conditional uses. There's a type of that on Terry Soler project that is April 24 for the community meeting. That is going to be on Margaret Lane, which is on favorite road. There's an application provided attached to that. We're also advertising that on the website and we'll use it in our own central media page. Mark May 15th will begin the finish. So, the point is 32 components of playing in review. And then also tentative, we're going to have a public hearing on a conditional use permit application for open storage or parking area. This relates to a variety of energy products and projects at fixed in the region, which is being used in this yard. The multiple projects including the transmission line as well as the potential at the end of the future. That is all. I can't remember what you all have. Questions or questions for Dave. First, the typos that's at the top of number 25 April 27 should be April 24th. Is your be the 20th? Yeah, I know I'm just trying to figure out if I could not go to the typo. I have a comment on reading this. It reads as though the 230 line is a definite thing, but when I talked with Dominion and in writing, got his response, was that that is not not a definite that it depended on the study that they're going to do in July and August. And it would depend not just with, I guess, our county, but also Prince Edward. If Prince Edward came up with anything more. So, I mean, I know we don't know what Prince Edward will do, but that's why it was my understanding that's part of why the studies are going to even be done is determine if it needs to be, you know. They say updated but it's really all new polls lines, you know, property and everything. But the way this reads, I just think it reads is though, it is a done deal. It will have to be upgraded. And I don't think that is not my what I've been told. I think the challenge of it is that what they're looking at changes over time, that originally looked at it, the CPV was in the project queue and was counted as well, along with the other three projects that are listed there. Um, CPV has gotten out of the queue. Right. Now, so that brings the number of annual, right. Um, but the December report that was issued indicated that it was required at that point, but they will reconfigure it now as the Q&A changed and it will be different. But Taro is in the same area and it's all the same amount of CPCs that have a hard time imagining that it's not just in a replacement. But if Taro was approved, we're forcing it then to happen. That's all I'm saying is that it's not a given that it has the lines have to be at this point. It's not a given that the study, but the study won't be done to July or August. And so to, to approve TARO would be forcing the upgrade, the upgrade. I don't like it being called upgrade because that makes it sound like they're taking the lines down and putting new ones up. They're not. They're taking new land. It'll be all new easements. It's going to impact new more citizens. It's going to be costly to dominion customers because they're going to pay for it, but it's all new lines, polls, everything, property. So I just wanted to bring that up. It's not a... And I mean, and we can't determine, like you said, what, Prince Edward, if Prince Edward, which Metlyn Burgh, I understand, is not going to have any more, but because the line goes from Chase City to Farmville. So depending on what Prince Edward, I mean if Prince Edward came up with a project that might force the line, but at this point, that's why they're doing this study. And we haven't been able to get clear understanding of how much of this is driven by data centers and how much underneath is driven by solar. They have not really provided any explanation of that or where the division is or what the driving force is because both friends have where the epimatics do have a proof or have applications for data centers and the amount of data centers that are coming to their community. Right, but I don't think they're on the same line. At least not affamatics, for sure, isn't, because it was from Chase City to Farmville. It was my understanding. Okay. Okay. Do you think any other questions from Martin? Anybody have any anything in the commission or stuff? I'd like to kind of bring up what I talked about last time in regards to the two sole facilities that we have working in. I guess my question was, if I used them a way that should have been, I know it wasn't a part of the original application for them to report to the county how much electricity they will produce in or any of that. I ended up a real good job with coming up with some numbers, but it's not relative to most people's understanding. I'd like to see your percentage. And that percentage is going to vary during the year, some time, fall, winter. And to be fair, I'm not sure I got your numbers for the little ones. Yeah. But I guess the thing that bothered me the solar industry is coming to us and they're asking for parts of their camp and I've made a couple of been by Reah House and I wasn't a part of the discussion but are these panels tracking panels? Do they supposed to follow the sound? Andy, you work. I don't remember on Red House. I can see actuators on the ones at Twitties Creek and Coy. I just, I don't have any knowledge on Red House. Well, I've been to Red House and I've been at Twitties Creek and Red House has some panels facing east and some panels facing west and some that are just flat as a picnic table. And I'm thinking, there's such a demand for solar. There should be some expectation of a stewardship that they are maximizing what they can't produce out of these places. And Twitter's Creek is pretty much the same way you can drive up 59. And there are big sections of those panels today that I'm just wondering if they're working or if they're working, they're not to any kind of efficiency if they're not facing this side. And I think these would be good questions for these folks, especially when we're looking at potentially starting another discussion next meeting. Are they going to, you know, if we're granting them the ability to operate, operate efficiently. That's what I would like to see happen. There's some accountability going. Are they building these things and then not having the idea or the intention of operating to their fullest capacity. Or maybe they're throttling. I mean, that might be a good reason. I mean, but throttling or throttling, seems like they want to sell as much as they could. I mean, if they were for profit business. Well, on the new, like I know you said, conditions are totally different for a twist-creating red oak and anything that hadn't been built yet. But in the conditions or the siding agreement, do they have to provide the county because I know some of the money has to do with what is produced, right? It's based on their names like the half of it. Okay, so regardless of how much is actually produced. Okay, so they don't have to report what they're doing. I did notice in some of the citing agreements and things that I've seen before there are reporting requirements. We have not incorporated this before, but it's something we could do. We require contact information and things like that be kept up to date and when they change hands they let us know. But we don't really have anything about reporting productivity and stuff. And when I talk to the management company for 20s, create about a potential site visit, and if any of you are interested in having told me, please let me know on that. I did inquire about the production numbers and they said that was an interesting question they see what they could provide to me and they are an asset management company. They've managed the project for car and the renewables but hopefully I'll get something back and I'll do the same And that's the same question over at House of the World. Thank you. Thank you. So I think I can say, because you looked at what I sent you, right? I mean, with kind of your own opinion, not, because I just sent you raw data. I didn't want to buy. I think you can do math. And it seemed like Dominion was definitely reporting all of theirs. It did seem like a pretty comprehensive list. And I think we could go a little further than saying they're reporting all of theirs above a certain size. But presumably there are smaller ones that they just weren't on the list. And correct me from wrong, I don't think Twitties Creek or Red House was on the list that I think. I've seen mentioned of it, but it wasn't on the production list. Okay, maybe Twitties Creek was all right. Okay, well that would get us halfway there. I think what's different about Red House is that this is different if I understood correctly. to correct. There might be different be different about Tweets Creek as well, but different from the other big ones. Is it connected, if I understand correctly, it's connected on the distribution side. I think those are in, who else was here for that? Monica, you were here. That's in the documentation. I'm pretty sure Red House was connected on the distribution side. I don't think that's the case for Tweet's Creek, but I'm not sure. Which would explain why Dominion's not tracking it, because it's not on their side of the transform. They're not measuring it. Apparently, I mean, it finders to correctly that the energy generation side of Dominion is not measuring. Maybe I'm not sure that's a tree statement, but if Tweetie's Creek is not pointed, you know some of the panels are obviously a skewed. I even noticed that, but I'll take your work for it. Maybe that's reflected in that number for Tweeties Creek. It seems like it wouldn't be burdensome, particularly if it's a solar phone that's going to be acquired by a dominion. Because it seems like they're reporting it anyway. Right? I mean, Monika's suggestion asked them to report it to the county. I would think that would be easy for them. Because we see them reporting all these numbers, all of this data. It's unfortunate we can't go back and ask a little one. I mean, there's no way to get back an app. Other than ask politely. I'm not saying we shouldn't ask politely. I'm just saying we can't. But I don't think Dominion, for example, would have any problem with that. I can't speak for any other. But because Dominion was, I mean, I didn't have any trouble finding that there's numbers at all. It seemed like they were required to report it up to the EIA. Red House is such a small project because it is just a mathematical one project. Maybe why? Because they're reporting a small project because it is just a mathematical up project and maybe why. And if they were political problems, they would have taken to the chip of the many lives of scenarios where five football projects are different and where we would be different at any state review levels and things that bigger projects. There's a lot of solar panels for just five million watts. Well, 20s correct is big enough to have a cube position. So it must report to PGM. Well, it's 15 minutes or a lot. Yeah. So I wouldn't quite be recording the production of these things. Well, there's a lot of speculation about that on the internet, but I'm not getting paid to it. All right, anybody else? Oh, it's going. That's the... That's the... Ah! So we're gonna just have to do that one. Ah... So... Help!