Okay. Okay. So we are reading at 931. Five minutes. Okay. We are on agenda item. I did have a question. Now, on this item, it does not say that the board chart is being food and the job description. It only says, I think that. Adopt item 9A, attachment 1 and 5, which is the budget for the general plan to go see. I just want to make sure I'm reading this correctly. You are. You are. So we are not. My understanding we are not. We just got the board or the board chart as you said. However, director's rental asked if those staff changes for those jobs, the description are in this, this preliminary budget. In the preliminary budget, yes. All right, board. That's our job here today. We don't have to approve those job descriptions or the order. We don't want to discuss them anyway. Yes. Okay. Yes. We'll start with on the end. Go ahead, Sid. Okay, and I just got through this today. So I didn't have time to look at all the budget items, but so I'm just going to touch on one. And that's the concept of an assistant general manager, and I'll talk to it on a couple levels. So one is it's the wrong message at this time for our community to put out there. We look extremely top heavy. We would have a hard time explaining or justifying that to the taxpayers of our community. So like we have two general managers. So it's a really, really poor thing to even consider at this point. But there's also a concept of job creep, and it does seem that's kind of where our physical person is moved out of her lane, and it's an important, extremely important place. And it seems like the job creep is just adding on more responsibilities and more duties, and I don't think that's a very smart way to approach this. Also I would say there's soft and hard skills with being an assistant general manager. It really requires good public relations, good communication skills, really great collaboration with staff. So it's a totally different set and if it re-reach a time when we get afford it It should be posted. We should be pulling something with a bastard or a master's level who wants to do this kind of work So it's the time is wrong and the position should be put out there in that way if we were choosing to go that way I Think what we're looking at is overload perhaps with our fiscal person. In my doctoral work, I did a lot of work with organizational systems. The fiscal person is basically in a challenging place with other staff because he or she is saying yes or no about budget items. Having HR with the fiscal person is not a good model So that would be something to be looking at is there a person in our staff who has that natural personality and Good learn those skills. That's to be the HR person So that might be something to look at can we shift some of that responsibility from our physical person? I think our general manager needs help. There's no doubt in my mind, but it's not getting another general manager. It's maybe looking for an office assistant or a board clerk. I think we need somebody to help you and that would be the model I'd go to. I think our public could understand it. It certainly would be significantly less expensive. If I were going to talk in more specificity, that I want to do in close session, I'm not comfortable talking personal manners in public setting. So I have more information. I can share in a close session that I'm really opposed to this concept. Thank you, Jim. Well, generally with regards to the operational budget, I believe we still need to be looking to cut other things, the board report certainly. First of that, I will hope to see some of those cuts and some other possible cost saving measures to be presented to us. I'll make the request again. Let's get the financial analysis of costs of operating in our pool throughout the winter. I would like to see that in an analysis that can be stood behind. That's what we've been up to before. We haven't gotten it. So I'd love to see that. And then again, we're talking about moving our MOUs to our rental fuel rentals, that sort of thing. I assume that's gonna be backed by a cost analysis of some sort. So I look forward to hearing about that too. With regards to this personal action, there's not enough information here for me. Too way too short of a time to consider it wasn't taken to our committees. It's just shutting this thing through without proper consideration. I agree with my fellow board members on the timeliness of this. It doesn't seem appropriate. We also are going to be seeing a salary and wage study. I think it's important that we consider all of this as one big piece, not piece merely net with one action. So I'll reserve judgment on the proposal at this point, but I think I need to be convinced more than what has been presented. Yeah, that's it for me. Done? Okay, so regarding splitting the budget, I think it's a great idea. It provides more transparency. It shows what's going to each specific section that's sad when you go forward and tire, leave different budgets. Kima, like was said, you can't go backwards. I still like the new way of doing things. I think it's a better way, but it's problematic for that region. As far as the personnel stuff, I'd like to have a larger discussion in close session. I don't quite know how combining the two wrecked people into one position affects the existing people and I don't know if we can afford the system GM at the same time the general manager clearly needs help and the finance manager clearly isn't getting paid enough so we need to have a bigger discussion and close session about the whole thing. Thank you. Here. So I want to start with those recognized people who have been sitting back for the last few months, which is part of what the General Manager is reporting on. We have been dealing with significant projects and challenges, probably greater than anything I've seen on my time here. COVID was a big challenge in that, but that was a very responsible unit to it, particularly speaking about the annexation project, particularly speaking about new general manager coming in trying to line the ship. So I want to acknowledge that there's not a lot happening. And staff has the working extra for that, I don't think it's important. I want to also acknowledge that our general manager has for that. I don't know if I can think of any more. I want to also acknowledge that our general manager has been doing things I haven't opened for for years now, which is pursuing some of these outside interests and things that do affect our district. One of the complaints we've had, and many of us have said, this is for years, no one paid attention to us and no one within our district or very few people paid attention to us. And so we lost interest in different areas with developers, we lost interest in the series of influence. That has affected us and we're feeling the consequence of that now. Small adjustments in areas of our boundaries would have made a significant difference and we would not be having some of these conversations. Period. Because it results at people not paying attention. So I want to thank the General Manager for paying attention to Marble Valley and Lion Block. I'm not sure if it's a real problem. But I'm not sure if it's a real problem. I'm not sure if it's a real problem. I'm not sure if it's a real problem. I'm not sure if it's a real problem. I'm not sure if it's a real problem. I'm not sure if it's a real problem. I'm not sure if it's a real problem. I'm not sure if it's a real problem. I'm not sure if it's a real to the table that need to get this. What I also want to recognize is that is more of our district again. And that's been part of the problem in the past is our staff have just been trying to do what they need to just to survive and just to provide services that are to be combed. When you pass other things, this is what we get. The staff that are overworked, trying to do too much. I think it is a legitimate question to ask, do we need to invest more so that we can manage it, or to lean to quote and quote the lid with our knees, which means the things that the general manager is going after now will not happen. You will not have to see that the table will be those places. You will not be able to that moment in the comment. But it's a simple matter of time and ability. That's my assessment of the five years I've sat on this board. We only have some of you who can be. I do feel like some of the things that we need to do are getting dropped right now. And so that is a discussion we need to have. Having said that. I think the piece here that I want to ask about is, I want to wait until we see the salary in the wage study, talk about other staff. Now I can't vote on a budget that I haven't had time to review. I just don't feel that's responsive. Let alone having staff and having your changing organization start. I just have a high time process this for you and here for the public, as much as I'm a light team. And a lot of this is simply a function of the district that tries to do more than it has the resources to do. So I can't correct the federal general manager. Approval of this budget means that if I read it correctly, I have read it personally. That the use of general manager's position will go into effect. Start to lay one. No. No. No. This, which you're voting on tonight, is an preliminary approval of General Fund and CCNR because we have to do that by June 30th. And if you're uncomfortable with that, we have to come back with a special meeting because you have to do it. Correct. The fund won, it includes those positions. It does not include, it includes these such in general. It includes, it includes the potential funding, but it does not include the job description. That's something you guys have to review the org chart and you have to vote on it. Now, I would note that if I were to, as you will see next month, on the salary study, if I were to simply do what the salary study says for our finance manager and HR manager, I would pay her more than his proposed in the HEP position. Well, and all of those things are fine without the data. I realize that. So, let me clarify that you would be approving tonight. If you approve this budget, we're not approving positions. We're not approving tonight. If we approve this budget, we're not approving positions. We're not approving salary increases. We're simply approving the ability to function forward and with the next two months, staff will report the information we need to make those kinds of decisions and adjustments as necessary in the arms budget, is that correct? Yes. And we may have further discussion in July on some of it, particularly I had hoped to have the Union MOU by the 30th since it expires, but it continues in place until the new one is agreed under the same terms and conditions. So, Christina's, I don't know, I've talked about it and she's prepared things that we've talked about that we think we can reasonably do at this point. And unfortunately the union has been tied up and has not been involved this month so that we can try and conclude something by the end of the month. So I am hoping we can bring it to you with some of this other stuff in July at the July meeting because that's where you August is the final budget. I want to make sure we're prepared to have two meetings on that. This is a lot of process. I have a lot to deal with and it might require two more forward discussions. I couldn't agree more and the problem is that when you try and make corrections to something that has problems, it's not easy. And Christina has been absolutely instrumental in a lot of this and we hope to have more including what Tim had asked me about the capital budget by August. I would just say it's probably as a can't change everything all along so I'm trying to try to recognize for trying to do too much here. Does the budget be approved in a special or regular and it does not have to have a hearing. Now, that's a higher level as my fellow Councillor to the left would agree what was put in and what you've done is more than you have to do to approve a budget. I've never done a hearing like that to approve a budget. We're going to be for a CCNR budget that is $51,000 in the whole. We have any idea what our current fund balance is for CCNRs. I'm going to ask for a recollection of somewhere around $1,000. That's what I thought. And so that would be out of money in this budget for in two years. So if this is something the board wants to do, I think we would need to reflect that the general fund has to supplement CC&R and we need to add that to a budget fund. May I? The whole point of what we're trying to do is to show you where you're not Allocating or recognizing your cost and CC and R is a whole in the ground And the question is how much general fund money are you going to allocate to it over time to make it up? Because I don't know a way to change that I time to make it up because I don't know a way to change that. I agree. I like what you brought forward. So I think that either the board's need is going to need to reduce services in CCNRs or we're going to have to agree to fund it. I think that's where you are. I would say we need to agree to put in our general fund, I'm suggesting we add to fund one, a transfer to CCNRs. We don't have to cover the whole 50,000 but maybe half for that. Okay, go ahead. In the wage study including CCNRs? Yes it did. Thank you. So I think that's first, first I just, and then I also like the idea of having more than one budget meeting. I don't know if this needs to come to committee or to the board. Neither is fine, but we'd be nice for the staff to come over to cross-eighting managers to reduce that. That's a set that we're currently running. And one of the places I can see that can be the salary of the suggested staff changes. I'm pretty much reading my main director who's already the new assistant general manager at the CCCI and if the do adjust or charge and salary that needs to come forward with the wage set. So I would suggest that the approved our preliminary budget and CCRs on one with the changes of the transfer to 25K to CCRs and remove the increase for the assistant general budget. If I may, that amount should remain in until the final budget because it also is consistent with the wage study for the current position. All right. I was just making study as a suggestion or that's what I'm suggesting. What do you want to do? Do you have a motion? More discussion? What do you want to do? Do you have a motion? More discussion? What do you want to do? I'd like to make a motion. We'll be through this project with the... and this of the CCNR allocation. I think that needs to be recognized as quickly as possible. That's one of the best ways to go forward. So it's supposed to be the CC seeing our solvent for longer than two years. I would agree with General Rogers, the position about the salary placement because it's not a final number I know as it should be, it allows the headroom for salary increases, COLA, the figures, etc. Moving into the operations here, starting to like that. And it's important that time to make those adjustments in our discussions later. So I'd like to make a motion to like to make a motion to prepare a motion to 24-12 with adjustment and practice for transfer to CCR for 25,000 hours. I'm sorry. Can we do a roll call on that please. Thank you. Director Scolis. Aye. Director Wilson. Aye. Director Van Vee. Aye. Director Grayson. Aye. Director Joseph. Aye. All right. So we now have a pass of one of your budget pod zero. With that, um, and then, moving on to our next item, we have to close that public hearing that we can see the open. Yeah. We'll be on the floor next. I know. We have closed that level theory. That means it's in the middle of the day. Yeah. We did in the court of order. Chair? Yes. Council. Is it too late to leave an adjustment on the agenda? Is that a consideration for some of our guests and presenters? Oh, no. The President of the Board can do that. Over-owned volition if she wants to. And the procedure is that if the Board large disagrees with, they make a motion to overrule her and then that's voted on. But if everyone stays silent, if she wants to do it or if you want to recommend it, then that's correct. I'm going to say that you're moving on to item 9c and that 9b will be taken at the conclusion of 9c. I'm doing just what he said. So our name is 9c. I'll draw a little white connection and it just went finely. Here's your mirror. You need any more, thank you. We've been growing. My name is... Get over time? No, absolutely. My name is Christopher Brown, the District Manager at Eldroute Exposal. I'm the S&M. My team members here with me this evening. I just wanted to give you guys an annual update review 2023 and talk about our initiatives moving forward. To kick things off, I'd just like to take a high level view and review 2023 and some of the methods from the district. As most of you guys know, predominantly residential customer base here, smaller than the commercial and the commercial numbers. As you can see with the residential carp count, I used to see that many of our customers in the district are utilizing the ability to have additional recycle or games containers. So that's a positive. In 2023, we continued to see strong performance and compliance with SB 1383. For those who are still a little bit confused on that SB 1383 is really the adoption of the Organics program with the intent to remove food and organics out of the waste stream and essentially reduce wind flow volume. Along with that, I will say positive notes. We've continued to see clean green waste and organic loads coming out of the district. So that's the cessing plastic bags and plastic black bags out of the organic stream, which is really a big thing for us as well. So on the community engagement fronts, another fun year for us. We always really enjoy the ability to get out and be involved. For us, we take a lot of pride in the time, time, time, and treasure part of our job. We think it's really impactful to be able to show up at events, participate, get out there with the community, have one-on-one conversations. It's really helpful sometimes when you're able to have have one-on-one conversations. It's really helpful sometimes when you're able to have those one-on-one conversations and sit through some of those confusing topics or some of those more dynamic mentions that people don't quite understand. So just a list here of some of the events we attend, some of the philanthropic organizations, I will say, we are always wide open to different organizations or new opportunities to get involved. So if there's something that's not up here that you are involved with or people from the community are talking to you guys about, please don't hesitate to reach out and let us know how we do exploring the opportunities. Up here you will see the performance standards. It's quite small. Sorry. But I will just, and there's a number of different metrics here, but I'll just kind of point out a few of the highlights. You'll notice that there's basically the annual results on the far, on the far right hand side that identified pass or no pass. I will say of these metrics for us, there was this really strong emphasis this prior year on commercial outreach. A lot of that had to do with SB 1383, which was the organic rollout. So we touched 161 commercial businesses last year. Really again tied to again now in the community talking to commercial organizations about organics, which is really food waste, taking that stuff out of there, out of their trash, how to do it, best practices, best type of thing. You'll also notice that we removed over 1,300 special items. When we say special items, we're talking about oil, batteries, and bulky items. So of that 1300 number, that only includes curbside items. So that's not including residents that brought the material to the transfer station or brought stuff to the five-on-center or things of that nature. And the other big number here that I thought was really nice to see was that Over 31,000 customers from the camera park or use the Vcam or Park 5x Center that we have so Really really nice to see our our residents and the community using the programs that we have That's a big one for us as well This is a breakdown of the change in CPI here over here. So basically what we do is we use this index as a metric because we know that generally costs are going to change along with CPI. For this jurisdiction there's a fuel component that's also part of the rate review of year. So we look at fuel index every year as a part of the rate review. And this year from 23 to 24, that index actually dropped. So the fuel component of the rate change is negative this year, which actually reduces the overall rate rate change for the year, which is how it land on that 1.729. Percentage allows us to cover obviously some of those costs, not all of them, there's some costs that I'll paste that, but again, overall that number of 1.729 is what will be, will the change will be for this year. So, as most likes to know, so we want to know how does this impacts the rate there or common residential rates, which are listed up here. You'll see the new monthly rate on the far right hand side there. For us, we've always had a really strong emphasis on trying to keep that 35 gallon senior rate at a very manageable cost. Historically, the 64-gallon has been the sweet spot. There are four camera parker, at least. That's what the majority of customers have. So just a 70 cent increase monthly for folks that have a 64-gallon on a 35-gallon senior rate, just under 50 cents for an increase. I do like to remind everybody that this service price 35 gallons senior rate just under 50 cents per increase. I do like to remind everybody that this service price includes a total of four carts. So you get your trash container and then three others. So if you want two recycle cans of one or a band of cans or two or a band of carts of one or a cycle, you get any combination of three additional carts with your trash container as well. And then there's a 10% discount per seniors on the 64 gallon and up the 96 gallon as well. And I also do want to clarify that there is a small fee for extra trash. So when customers have additional trash, whether that's on the side or trash that doesn't fit all the way in their containers, not on top, or doesn't allow their container to fit all the way in their containers, that's not going to top, or doesn't allow their container to close all the way. There is a small fee for the trash that doesn't entirely fit in their container. So. Look you forward to 2024. Obviously we are well into the year, but some exciting initiatives and things that we're really happy about. Textile collection is something that we started exploring early on in this year and we've made a lot of progress on. So you know, it's typically what we do when we see textiles is in the waste stream or in the trash. So give us a further textile material in the trash. We see a really good opportunity to get that material out of the trash stream and put it into specifically a textile basically recovery box. So the thought was if we can put some form of textile recovery bin at our 5X Center or 5X Center is located at all of our 5X Centers, we're able to collect those textile materials potentially when people are trying to then their CRB material or bring the natural park forward to the BiBAC center. So, seeing opportunity to pull that textile material out of the trash and create further diversion outweigh. Compost for recompost for the residents is something that we're excited about and we're exploring opportunities with the CSD as far as how we can get it closer to home. For you guys, I will say we've started a program late last year when the City of Placerville and that compost program has done really well. I think we were kind of fingers crossed off the mistake and we've seen really good results. We've brought in a ton of compost to the city of Plashville. That's free to the residents. They can come and pick it up and use it for gardening or whatever it is they have. We've started to explore a similar program with the county and have delivered to some more rural direct locations, farms, vineyards, and like that. So exploring opportunities with the CSD to get that brought directly into the camera park and provide it for the residents here as well. On the contamination front, for us this is going to be a big push for us this year or a big focus. Right now we know that there's about 25% residual in our combing go stream, so we bring a chuck of recycle in, we come from the floor, about 25% of that is trash. And when we see, or the biggest things we see in kind of the big three, we're going to focus on is plastic bags, styrofoam, and we're seeing a lot of e-ways batteries in our recycle stream as well. So, really need to focus on getting plastic bags out of the recycle stream. It's a big change. You know, a lot of people went to the two cans system in their house. They have two plastic bags. We're really needing to get plastic bags out of the recycle waste stream. Plastic bags immediately contaminate the recycle waste stream. And then obviously, we all use Amazon or one level, or one type of service like that. All that styrofoam and packing material that's packed in there has to come out of the box before it goes into the recycle stream. So, you're going to focus on that. That's going to be a big focus for us and heavy education I will say. You know, we really need to re-educate our population after we kind of went through the wish cycle era where customers, if you're people that didn't know what to do with the item, it just went immediately to the recycle pan. You can never think of getting recycled. So some changes to happen and we really got to do some reeducation there. And then I will say maybe what we're most excited about is completion of our Merck Frontivation Project. Obviously this has been an ongoing project. We're poised to be finished in October, which is really exciting. Among many of the things that will improve at the Merf safety and traffic flow are probably the two biggest ones for us. So we're just really excited, we'll be able to get people moved in and out in a much more efficient manner. We'll be able to take more e-ways and more HHW. You know, HHW, that's a big deal for us. We're really the only people on the Western slope that accept high volumes of HHW. So excited about our opportunities there with the completion of that revolution. We're interjecting. Yes. I know what HHW is. Household hazardous waste. So, sorry, guys, your paints, your halogen bulbs, things like that. And then kind of the clothes this out, obviously, as we all know, they're continued to be a strong push for electric vehicles in our state in California. I do have some metrics and some numbers put up here. But what I can't tell you is that for our industry specifically, PV technology is still very experimental. There's still lots to learn in regard to integrating electric vehicles into the waste industry. I guess lastly, I'll just say, as you can see in some of these members, there's extreme, extreme cost when it comes to infrastructure and equipment and getting this stuff fully integrated into the district like ours. And you think, too, we're not necessarily, you know, we do it amongst the hills, so you can imagine trying to run, you know, fully electric garbage truck for 10 hours a day up and down hills and there would be some some logistical and technical challenges there as well. But yes, that's the majority of it. I am happy to field some questions. I know you guys have time to tell you also thank you for giving me some time. Thank you. So. OK. Let's go ahead and start on this end. I'll be in the middle for a fair and two questions. Thank you. No questions around this long enough to understand all of this. Thank you. That was a little done. And this is a simple shout out. I want to thank Jeff A. Lennon again for his part here at Outreach. These are all kinds of things. Jeff's been a I guess it in my class for the last three years. My first class to talk about is pathway there, but the wonderful guest and I have students will go back to their shows over the next few months. So that's one of the things that can be due anytime. Done? Question? Yeah. What's our diversion rate? I don't have it off the top of my head. I have the metrics on that first slide, Tim. But I can get you a visit percentage. Good back, too. I can help with that. Specifically, what we know that we handle specifically and held around a disposal that typically is around 40% or so. That does not include things like grocery stores, railways, direct shipping card, warrant, and things like that. That's what we know that touches the mirrored relative to the amount of trash, C&D, green waste, and other things that we touch specifically. So we're well short of 75% which is a stakeholder. Correct. How are we gonna get there? Well, the state is trying obviously by pushing mandates like 1383. Our job in the state implements something like SB 1383's day, execute a program and collaborate with the CSD's as we did when that came through. We did surveys. We asked you guys want to do weekly, do you want to do bi-weekly. So the way we look at that is that when these new programs come down, we teamwork it, we execute the programs, and then we do the best we can. What I have to remind some people sometimes is that we execute programs, but we're not enforcement. One of the reasons why for the emphasis on contamination is to get that roughly 25% or so that we shift to be recycled, it's actually trash out of the system. To read the wish cycling that Chris referred to earlier, there is one of the things that we're trying to do. We are, you know, and I don't want to speak to because I haven't over the years and it hasn't happened yet. We've made a very large investment in technology that is attempting to turn trash into fuel. A company called Fulcrum, technology is up in sparks. If that ever is technically executed, then we're going to be the first in the state to get to 75 or pretty darn close. But there's an observable that forget to 75%. But we do the best we can to execute what the state brings down. And we're always open to talking to you folks about how we can do that better. We're always open to talking to you folks about how we can do that better. And reviewing the report, there's a summary of the rates. And there's significant amount of new rates included in this range, which we're not, we haven't approved as a board. It's unconcerned that we are charging our customers for rates that we have not approved. And specifically things like, cart cleaning charges, extra trash charge, extra bulky item of freedom. These are all things that we're not in our contract. I'm not sure when he's got added in, but I, I, I, and I staff can address this or I can provide just a little bit historical on that. Tim, there is a call out to extras charges in contract under section 18. And on a range she does approve back in 2008. There is a call out set extra trash charges as well. And there is a set for each 32 gallon back. Correct. So if there's a 32 gallon back sitting next to your cart, you get charged, right? Correct. For each additional 32 gallon back, right? So if you had your card out 35 gallon card You can close the lid you said you're 32 gallon back on top But you still place your card out the little charger for the extra 32 gallon So the charging is to get car and this is getting to its sit. Yes, it's a talk about chair But I was first. Yeah I'm going to talk about... Sure, but I was first. Yeah. If the car is cracked open, that's not an extra vacuum. Correct. Oh, you don't have a rig for that. Correct, is my point. You can't charge our customers. You don't have. It's not approved. And you have been. Well, I think that there's probably some discrepancies there right? I think so. I think our contract from amendment three did not change it did not have this. So we should be working off the rate sheet from 2012. Yeah. We're not, I will say, at the same amount of times when we get those situations, if the customer calls in to dispute that charge. A lot of times, almost every time, if there's not, if we don't have the driver or whoever didn't take the photo that identifies a 32 gallon bag, we wait those charges. They shouldn't be charging that. Yeah, that's an education process. No, that's an education process for your operating. Right, that's what I was gonna say. Yeah, that's an education process. Well, but we're still getting charged. I'm sitting next to somebody who can relate to you to that issue. So a lot of times to him, we try to do the right thing. Well, the right thing is to get a contract amendment and add these rates. And then you can charge their customers for it. But right now you're charging our customers for something that you are not authorized to do. Well, if our operator is doing it correctly, Tim, it is not in your rate sheet. No, it isn't. These leave their... there's some in here and there's a rate sheet for extra bags, but not just for an over full card. There's no rate charge. Well, that's what I was saying, Tim, it's done correctly. The rate is in the rate sheet. And so it was done incorrectly and we should be crediting off that charge because it was done improperly. That's what I'm saying. Well, I don't think that's happening. And my concern goes, again, presented in this rate sheet, are rates that we have in a proof? So, I guess what I'd like to see is a rate sheet that's reflective of what's approved in our contract, and if you need new rates, that's fine. Bring them to us and get us an amendment that adds those rates in there. But don't start charging our customers for things that we have not approved. Your contractor for us, we understand it. Are you suggesting that if there is not a rate specific to a 32 gallon bag that's either seen there's a difference in the amount or the amount or the amount or the amount or the amount. Okay, so there's a rate for a 32 gallon bag. Right. But there is an array for an over four car. Well, what's an interesting delineation? Yeah, it is. So, if the cart is the lid sticking up like this, because one of the reasons why those got approved in the first place is people don't want literally on the ground. Sure. They don't want, you know, people trying to stay up there. I agree, a chart goes kind of things. Give me a chart for over full car. Because it's different than setting an extra 32 gallon bag next to your card. Okay, that's totally different. And customers don't understand the difference. Well, okay, I think that that is a good point. But again, my point is more about the contract and the fact that you're adding rates in without asking us for permission to do so. That's my problem. Not the charging for the extra trash. If you're overfilling your garbage can, I agree. But let's make sure we're tagging those cars, people know they're getting it. Like if you charge me an overfilled charge, I get electronic billing. I do not get a paper bill. I may not even know. And if on my card isn't getting tagged as a result, it says we're going to charge you as soon as it was over full. Then how might even know to result? So that's my problem. So I've said enough. I'll be continuing the conversation. So pass these down please. I want the audience to know what we're talking about yourself. And there is a rate sheet at the back page. Okay, and just so we all know what we're talking about. This is a 32 bed, yellow and back. No garbage, by the way, it's just paper. Oh, I heard it. I can't hide. Oh, I'm going to get charged. I'm going to get charged. So, actually, Tim stole a lot of my thunder, but it's okay. So, we get a lot of fun. So, it's $5.92 for having an extra 32 gallons. And Chris Brown, where is he? There he is. Okay. He and I started communicating about this in February because I think it was my fourth charge. And I called in and they said, well, we don't take pictures. We don't tag it. We don't do anything. In fact, the wind could have blown it open. Okay. And then Chris was nice enough to remove two of the charges. And then I thought, okay, this may just be me or is it bigger. So, if the can's open, I could get charged. If the lid's open a little bit, as those pictures show, I could have gotten charged. But there's no tagging. There's no notice, and it gets even worse. So I said, Chris, how many people do you tag like them? Do you do this? You have no knowledge. You don't keep date on that. So we don't even know what the scope of this or how big. In fact, it seems to suggest an audit is appropriate. If you don't know this, you should have that information for us. We should have an audit. And then the numbers are much worse. I mean it's 5.96, it doesn't seem to be that hard, but like Tim said, I went around my neighborhood just saying, well what do you think a problem is? And I walk my dog about a mile and a half each day. And I just aren't taking counts. It's about a five to 10% incidence of lids being opened a little bit. So we have seven, so just to get a number of the numbers, I've got a scope of this. So my little problem is huge when you start looking at the scope for our community. Seven thousand households, if it's 5%, that's 350 a week. That's an extra 2000 earned a week for the Illarada Suppostal. For over a year, that's $108,000. And then Chris, I'm sorry, you're the one who's going to get it. You refer me back to the 2008, I'm sorry, what is the word we need back to? 2008, I'm sorry, what is the word we need back there? The type of chip. What does it go? Rate-sheet. Rate-sheet. So if you go back on the thing I've handed out to you, the rate-sheet from 2008 is the one where we got the extra charge for the down, the 32on bag, it's huge. It's $1.7 million of overcharge, in my opinion. In fact, it's so substantial. I really would like to refer this to counsel to look at. Is the rate sheet that we agree to? Is that sufficient? Or should we be looking at some sort of a refund, a credit for the consumers here in Cameron Park? It's that big initiative. $1.7 million, $108,000 a year. And it's just the people in our community that have been overcharged. Now, without an audit, you simply can't answer the question. Is that 5% accurate or not? Because some days it's closer to 10% in my neighborhood. The numbers are even worse. And when we look at the rate sheet, nowhere does it talk about a candle being open as those pictures show or a beam blown open. And if there is a bag of garbage on top of it, if it's this size, I don't think we're going to disagree, but I think most people conceptually would think of the can with this bag next to it. So I think as to the very least, you need to have a system in place that takes, that keeps track of, that notifies and we've got to determine, well, legally, whether you even have that right to have charged this amount of money and what are we going to do about it as a board? I think we should postpone any decision on this for at least 60 days to give us your set your set of chance to explore this and do it on it and our side to legally know where we stand because the numbers are just too big and the consumers have suffered too much in this community for that. If I'm right and I hope I'm wrong but if I'm right it's it's it's you've taken money as you're not entitled to it. It had never been agreed to by this board, and the rate sheet does not reflect anything that we're describing here to now. OK, so that has me ask you a question that contracts states that we can I don't know if your request. I would have to go back and review the contract at a bare minimum to even hope to answer that question. And that's why they put it on this. I'm sure I haven't looked at it in years. I think it's a fact or something to give people a chance. And you don't honestly don't know how many people you're overcharging like this. Or do you just not, you don't have that information with you? I'm sure we could do it, but we're sure we're sure we're allotted. I'm not going to make a claim without direct accurate information. But I can assure you we've never used this as a source of the breadth of the pandemic. That's not the way that the plan was set up historically before me just might be able to speak on this. You know there was a whole campaign for a closed-lead campaign where we really did a campaign to try to get all of our customers to ensure that it was closed. We don't charge people for a three-inch gap. But my point of what we do is that. But my understanding talking to my neighbors, talking to other people I associate with, it's amazing how many people have been charged. So it's not a it's not a rare instance. It's a common instance. Okay so what I'm hearing is that you would like to postpone this annual fee, this eight, and as I was you raised for the collection of solid waste for 60 days to get more information and my question is I don't know if we can legally do that if they're not related. But in fact they are related. Well I'm saying but the adjustment here is not related to yours. Now I'm sure 30 days probably is going to be a big deal. I don't know. 30 days I can I can take back and do this again next month with the information. Is that the thing? We hear from public comment. Sure. Why don't we do that? Okay. Any other questions from the board? For our, this morning, the extra bad charge, that is part of the rate increased corrects. It's a fixed charge from 14, 16 years ago or something. 16, 16 years old. Oh no, but it goes up every year, right? That's the way it is. It's part of the policy. I think it's the annual adjustment. It does, okay. No, I think I think I'm going to say it's covered. But yeah, I need to know what's happening. I think I've been honest and I've been covered. Yeah, I didn't realize that then. All right, this opening up to the public. Any comments, questions? Yes, sir. Oh, I can meet Camel Park. I'm a retiree and all I see is speed well. You can have fuel charges, you know, under on the bill, you know, they hit us up for the bills, fuel. What I don't see from you guys, or really from anybody, is your saving support. In other words, I saw the little, you know, the doggy point show, but all the good things that you've done. I had a scene in 2023 or 2024. We have to rate fine three new vehicles. We're going to run our new vehicle. We're going to run our vehicle now to another three to five years. Like normal people like us, are buying new cars every year. Cell phones, salary freezes, which you guys have done to reduce any kind of cross savings. But I don't hear any of that at all. And also I just hear a whole keep going. I'm glad I didn't increase it. Congratulations. And I guess it's moving people out of California more members. This is the same thing with them apart. These little increases are moving people out of California. And as we've had to reach rear on this day. around 50 and you know there's only so much in our piggy bank and we don't have the privilege of this one average saying we're going to spend more money. We stay within a budget I drive this one year old car but I don't care if you guys say me out of our vehicles are averaging 10 years old, 15-20 years old. You know, we put a new engine in it, we want to do transmission. No, we go fly a new vehicle for $180,000. That's what I don't care for. Yeah, I know a buyer of other business who talked about truck capital, things like that. I think that could give you some more incentive at, maybe offline, I'm not going to put picture information. There's restrictions we have from the state that require us to do things like finding vehicles, British and standards that, you know, I'll be option to tell the state now when California Air Resources Board says you have 22 trucks that are out of compliance and you can't get this, like physical, can't get them on the road. So there is things like that that force our hands, but I can kind of be out there and follow up with you. It would be nice to see you. I'll see you in the future. Thank you. Other public comment? Yes? Two questions. What is the age for a senior? 60s. 65? Okay, so we got another year to go. Okay. Second one. Jeff and I talked about this next one, but this is for transparency for the board. Coming out of the Board of Supervisors meeting, they have done a presentation. We have property up in Toppo, and with the Truckee Refuge Center they have a unique concept with their voucher to help get rid of green waste, trees, pine needles, whatever it is. You go in with your ID and a bill and you're given a little punch card. That is in your name and it allows you to get six yards of green waste at no charge. But what we get for green waste load is X amount of 32 gallon bags that can be used to two and a half yards or two and a half yards. But I made six runs to the dump last year with green waves and they just punched a hole out of my card to keep track of that. I didn't have to just turn in a voucher because there's times I'll go in the summer and I don't have my full amount for that voucher that went hard but I have to surrender the whole card but I'm only taking maybe a half a yard with me. So they've broken it down to the six yards total in six increments that I could make runs throughout the whole summer as I do my green waste cleanup around my property. So I think I would ask the board to try to do that for the residents in Camerapart and work with waste management to get that done because I think with the press to get defensible space around your own people have a lot of green waste are getting ready. I've got stuff now that I'm waiting for a chipper on. But having that punch part I just think makes it more effective for the consumer to be able to get rid of their waste and not forfeit a whole card for all the garbage when they only have a small portion of it. Thank you. We're comments from the public. Okay, bringing it back. Do we have unlimited yard waste at the five-axis? Two. Yeah. That's another option. Yeah. There's a voucher system we have, not for my style, but you get vouchers for green waste and herbs. I think we have the unlimited service fee five-axis. All right so far council reads that I have another question. Is the textile bin currently installed at our five-act center? Not yet. Hopefully sooner or later we're working through the contract right now and getting that pushed through through legal and getting inside with you with the vendor. But essentially, it'll be something similar to, and then clothefully and clothe bin, right? You know, I'm, well, yeah, I've got your clothes in there, and that bit will be serviced. And how would you notify residents it's medical? I would imagine with some social media outreach, and probably when we do building messages and things like that as well, we can get a notification on that way as well. Have you put a CSQ website update? Yeah. And then you mentioned that you checked for contamination into recycle stream. Do you ever check for recycle and organics in the trash tree? Not as free when I would say because most of the time your trash is packed. And so we do do what you thought is for physically put the trash on the ground, rip open the bags and look at what's in there. But you know, the truck should put with the ability they can see when they've done the can, they can see what's going in. So a lot of times in New York, Annick's car or your recital car, that's where we're catching contamination. Most of the time, the trash, everything's bagged, so you can't exactly see the people are putting it in. It's like, what's the next? to meet the state mandate of 75% or global 75% diversion, maybe considering asking people not to back the garbage so that you can see it's in there. And see how much I don't know that much. And just see how much other diversion you can do. For all you know, there's half the garbage is recyclable. I know that a lot of you will know all these things. Yeah. So, you. I know that a lot of people know. I think a lot of our education material, they were stuff we continued to develop. It's really important for us helping people with the inclusion. There's a lot of people to understand. People don't know what to do with their batteries. So they put them in the recycle can in the organ now. They take a piece of scrap metal and put it in recycle, we'll scrap metal, we can't really just put it in recycle cans. So, things like that, for sure. And then the other question is the presentation today, it will be on the packet that's posted? Yeah, it can be additional. It'll be additional. Yeah, it would be nice if we could have seen it again. Because I've started to know. Yeah, it would be nice if we could have seen it at the time. Because I was hard to be young. Was that something maybe we could do in the future to submit that? So we could go in the packet. Yeah. That would be useful. All right. Alan, I'm sorry, Alan. Jason. Jason. This is a 59-page document. And I'm simply not going to get through it and understand every line and everything else and any exceptions, anything else tonight sitting here. So I have a general sense of it, but not one that I could certainly advise you on now and even doing so would risk a violation of certain attorney client privileges. So what the board wants to do with this, the challenge that I see is, were these to go into effect July 1st? Was that? Yeah. All right, so there will not be another board meeting before it. If the board wants to hold off on this, then it needs to do so and we can address it contractually moving forward. Or the board can vote to approve it whichever way, but it's simply not possible to do an analysis of this right now on 59 pages and tell the board what to do or not to do. Can anyone answer the impact of what happens if you don't approve it tonight? What else? There's some provisions in here. You might want to direct it. I just tell you that from my perspective, there are provisions in here that regard that sort of thing, but again, they're not even all in one spot in the contract. And it's not even a searchable document. This PDF. If they have a perspective on it, they're free to come. If you have a perspective on what happens if we don't have a footage tonight? I don't mean to be curred, but we call our lawyer, you call your lawyer, but that's we had that conversation. We met our performance standards. Our belief is we're entitled to the increase. We're very happy to take the conversation specific to extras, vouchers, anything, you know, along those lines, you know, down the line, we'll talk about anything. We'll negotiate anything. But my belief, and I'm not the lawyer, is that having met our performance standards were entitled to our increase. That's my back in the envelope for what it's worth. All right, what do you want to do? Do you want to prove this? You want to wait? Wait a minute. I suggest that we approve the rate increases as requested only for the rates that are in the, well, basically I believe it is amendment two, rate sheet. So the approved rates and the rates. So the other items that are in those rate sheets, those aren't approved and you can't be charting them to your customers until we get in the men and being with them in the sky. Okay. I don't want to make a motion to that one. does completely solve the problem of the previous charges that may not be appropriate. Well, and I think we would pursue that through discussions on whether that ones they've had as an addition. Yeah, no exactly. So would be, so some of you have to sort that extra charge out. Right, but we need to verify that it's an extra charge not in the contract. Yes. So that would be some investigation. I'm not sure how you can approve something that maybe they're not entitled to. I mean, that's my point of thought. Well, I think we're very entitled to the rates that were in, that are in the contract, as you can see, we're in it. that are in the contract, and you can say, we're in it, they are in the contract. They're just not entitled to all the additional rates that were not there until the contract is a men. And we need to enter into discussions about making those men. And maybe the amendment includes some level of adjustment in which we don't know at this point I would that it may you can look into that and legal counsels help sure Just a caution to my fellow directors, I recognize that there's a front issue here to be addressed. I would be cautious about extrapolating out from anecdotal experience. To start saying it's a 1.0 million dollar over charge, I think it's hyperbole unless there's other data. And I want to be careful as the board representing our community. Yes, we need to address it, but I don't feel comfortable with that kind of state of coming from the stable. So I just caution you. Yes, bring it forward and let's address it. My partners always have been good with us in my experience and I appreciate it. Director, here's a bringing it up in YouTube. But I don't think it's appropriate to let that claim the charge in an initial discussion. So just a caution. And I guess I would call it hyperbole, but it's to make this is not a light subject. It's actually, it could be quite significant. It could, but we don't have any data to level that charge it. So let's bring it up. Let's discuss it. And if we find it is, then yeah, it's at that level, we can address it at that level. Just a caution. So we could as to a suggestion to go ahead and approve this increase and request our contractors to come back with clarity on their current grant sheet and contract language that states that they are allowed to charge these extra truncations. That's something that you can do. Of course. Like I said, we'll talk to you about anything. Any time? Okay, that sounds like a word. That's something, and I'm going from the interest of expediency for the first level of question. And for our partners to be able to implement budgets, etc. That's something that you can come back next month. Can you get that information next month? With regard to postponing this decision that he is What I'm what I'm summarizing here is we're proving rates for that they're approved in the contract It's not in the contract you can't prove it But if there is a men that needs to be made for extra charges that have accumulated that are not on the contract You can bring that back next month potentially. With amendments, with justification, so that the board can discuss it at that point, and I'm short in the timeline, Director Bazette's question is a long return, and we do want to hear from you, who want to get the investigate your data, and then audit would probably be appropriate in looking at that. The last time I controlled her, how much time do you need? Okay. Now, we'll find out if they're appropriate or not. We don't know yet. And we don't know. The numbers even. The other thing could not be, we'll find out. Good. So that's something that can come back at least the amendment. Certainly next month. And then you'll get that agenda for next month. You know, what I don't want to do is rush through the been analysis and then probably then a certain legal consultation that we're going to end up having. So I don't want to make a promise that we can't keep specific to a timeframe. We will definitely want to come back and have this conversation. I just don't want to say I can do it in four weeks. So 60 days for appropriate? My suggestion was only expediency for us in future. So if you think we're talking about that. I think we can. I just don't want to make a promise. We can't get any relative to that level of analysis and then a such a clinical consultation. I just don't like the way that it is. Sure, no, we don't want to either. I'll just be on that. All right, should we have a motion? So I'll move to approve the rate increases as described in Resolution 20 to 14, 4 to the rates that are in our contract. I'll second that motion. All in favor say aye. All right. You do most probably. Aye, ask you two questions. Both, please. Director Toby, I, Director Moufkin, I, Director Emil. I'm going to go back to the room. I'm going to go back to the room. I'm going to go back to the room. I'm going to go back from the meeting. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That would be nine beads. That was your Honor Prohibition. We're just four years away from the five. Four to ten. We're going to see that to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to Last year were 13 million, 19 and through 171. So this year with the growth factor in 144,192,554. And I don't know what it really is. This is the number we get from the county that's just the same. If we got that much money, it probably taxes. That would be great. All right, any questions, comments from the board? How does that number compare with last year's number? Last year's number was 13,953,171. number was 13,953,171. Okay. Please. Oh my goodness for now moving on to a closed session. The fun never ends. Oh my God. So, you're moving on. Thank you everybody. You can hang out for a workout. Good morning. Good morning. Good to see you for us. I'll be a subscriber.