CGTV are you ready? They're on. Ronda are you ready? Ready. Let's go ahead and call the meeting to order for November 2nd 2009. Roll call please Ronda. Mayor Boynell. Here. Lewis. Here. Mr. Wilkinson. Here. Spotler. Here. Mr. Markin. Thank you. Moving on. Item 2, public non-agenda items. Are there any please step forward, state your name for the record. Welcome Scott. Thank you. My name is Scott Stendman. I'm with you related Westpac. And tonight I'm here on behalf of Sinclair Meadows owner, the developer of Sinclair Meadows employee housing units off of Alokree Grove. As many of you may know, we are nearing completion of that project. We've completed our final inspections on the building. There's some site work tasks that we're working diligently to complete this week. I'm hoping to get our TCO yet this week. Working with town staff to resolve any comments that we have on the condo docs and get those recorded. So we're hoping that next week we'll be able to do closings with our 15 town of Snowmass Village buyers. We're very excited to move into the units. Just today in conversation with John Dresser, we realize that there's a requirement in the restricted housing agreement for the Sinclair Meadows subdivision that requires town council to approve a declaration of employee housing restrictions. That would be a declaration that's recorded against each unit. So I'm here tonight to ask you to consider approving a resolution that I believe town staff will present to you that will approve the draft declaration we submitted to John Dresser a couple weeks ago. And what we did is we mirrored almost exactly what was done at the rodeo place homes. So we used the form you guys did down there kind of changed the legal description, the name of the owner of that kind of thing. And once town staff presents it to you, I hope you'd be so kind as to approve it so that we might be able to proceed with closings next week. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer. Russell, would you explain a little more what we're looking for? Emergency resolution? Correct. In reviewing the kind of minimum documents, it was discovered that a resolution, and I'll let Mr. Dresser say a little bit more once he gets situated, that a resolution needed to be approved by the town council to approve the deed restriction for the property, the deed restriction is parallel to what was created and approved for rodeo place. So it's a technical procedural item that needs to occur to facilitate closings and people moving in. We do have a number of families that are certainly very eager to move in. Some of them are obviously dealing with accommodation issues and where they're going to be living. John, what will I want to say anything else on that? John, Scott has just made a request for an emergency resolution as we discussed a little earlier in the afternoon. And it's certainly possible this comes as a result of the... Me and Mike. Mike. Yes, well, here comes Rhonda. I know you don't want one baby, but you gotta know. Zoom in on a close-up would you? That's feelings. So now I think you'll be hearing me in stereo. There's a provision in the restricted housing agreement for Sinclair Meadows that a restrictive covenant be recorded, executed, developer shall cause to be executed and recorded in the real property records, a declaration of restrictive covenants against such restricted housing unit. So then the next sentence says, the form and substance of the Declaration of Restrictive Governance shall be approved by the town council by resolution prior to recording in such governance shall it, a minimum set forth to your own for ship qualifications for a purchaser of such restricted housing unit and restrictions on the resale of the housing unit. So I have a form that I use that covers this issue. And I've used it on all our new product. And then every time an older unit turns over, I have it recorded again because it's a little more clear than some of the older ones, et cetera, et cetera. And I provided that to Scott, I don't know, last month at some point, or as that could have been two days ago. But a couple of weeks ago, at least, and he has drafted the, he sent me a copy of their draft, which incorporates all the things that we do when we own them and sell them. So then we found in reviewing the condo docs today that in fact that this was a requirement that this be done by resolution as we reviewed those condo docs we've formed Scott. It's not on your agenda today, but there is, you are allowed to do things by emergency, and we could probably have a simple resolution approving the form and substance with a copy of the draft of theirs to you by the end of your meeting today if you so desired to act upon it. It would make sense, I would think, that if we don't have that in place, then we can't be closing on any units? Well, the developer would probably be in breach of the restricted housing agreement, at that point they did. So, I would point out to you that there is also a blanket restriction in the declaration of the condominium and the covenants that are contained therein. So this is kind of an extra and why it's in here these documents were negotiated and agreed to prior to my tenure as the town attorney. So I don't know exactly why they decided to do it this way, but they did. And I'm sure you're all aware that these documents were drafted by their predecessor in interest attorneys at the time. And it's a different law firm that they employ now. And so this is a small technicality that I think would probably be best resolved by an emergency resolution this afternoon. It's not on your agenda. I have to caution you that it's provided for in our charter, but it's a bit contrary to the Open Meetings Act. There's a possibility that it could be challenged, but I think that wouldn't be in the best spirit of things. I'd like to get done as well. I'd say, I mean, I'd stick to the emergency ordinance and then for the open meeting thing, we could always do another one if we needed to. Well, it's only a resolution. So we could redo this on the 16th, but if we wait until the 16th, it causes not only them, but the buyers, great angst, as you probably well aware, the first time home buyers credit is scheduled to expire at the end of the month. Although I understand there's a move of foot in Washington to extend it. But if we wouldn't do this till the 16th, we're talking about a 14-day period with a Thanksgiving weekend there that may jeopardize some people's ability to get that tax credit and that probably would not be good for them or any else. I think we just have to get it done. This is a technicality you're not advising of any major adverse reaction or no. I thought, come on, let's feel the technicality and do it by the end of the meeting. John, do you need a motion from the floor? No, no, I think this is how. I'll do it. Well, at the very least, that's why I'm a little, a couple minutes late. I was working on it when we discovered this about 230 this afternoon. And so I Would like to at the very least present you with a written form of resolution together with the deed restrict to the Scott had sent over The form so that it can be approved as the form and substance and if we could do that towards the end of the agenda I think I would be able to have that ready for you to review so We can give Scott some assurances that you'll at least look at this afternoon or this evening's meeting. That would be great. And we can notify him so he doesn't have to sit here and watch. He can probably turn on his computer at home and watch and see how it goes, but we can inform him in the morning as to how you resolve this issue. So. OK. Let's work on it as fast as we can to get that done. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. It's only a page and a half decoration. Well, you know, I'm a very short star. Yeah. Every word means something different. So I'll be back. Great talk with this again. It's really my word. It's got just changed the name to protect the innocent. Or the guilty. Thank you very much for working on that. Okay. Any other non agenda items? Sorry, very interested. Hearing none. Move on to item number three. Council updates. John. Nothing yet this time. Read. No. Marky. Read. No. Marky. No. Uh, okay. Billy. I just got over the H1N1 virus. The flu, so, uh, how I don't have to go get the flu shot. How long is the symptoms? In the flu shot just got to pick and counting. Yeah. It was a rough run. High risk. It was a rough one. I even lost one of my ferrets because of it Past way on me Friday night It's you know, it does some stuff. You're gonna have a formal barrier. Oh, he's already gone. He's our buried Okay, item number four Second reading ordnance number 16 series of 2009 Second reading. Ordnance number 16. Series of 2009. Second motion made by John Wilkinson. Second made by Mr. Reed Lewis. I further discussion. All those in favor, a signified by roll call. Oh, that's right, roll call, a resolution. Ordnance, thank you. Mayor Boynell. Yes. Mr. Lewis. Yes.. Mayor Boynall. Yes. Mr. Lewis. Yes. Mr. Wilkinson. Yes. Ms. Beller. Yes. Mr. Wilkinson. Moving on to item number five, second reading, ordinance number 12, series of 2009, amending the 2009 budget. Is there a motion? So moved. So moved. Is Reid and John Wilkinson? Discussion? The only thing we didn't do on the budget was deal with the route issue. Do we need to have any conversation? This is the bond. Oh, this is the bond stuff, sir. No, this is the budget. This is 2009 amended budget. This is the budget with the long one. Yeah, that's right. I'm wrong here. It's a different day John and I did and then John Was fine, okay all those in favor of second reading Second reading ordinance. Thank you Yes Thank you. I'll give it even today, my dear. Mr. Boynow? Yes. Mr. Lewis. Yes. Do you want to come inside? Yes. Is that a letter? Yes. Mr. Morgan. Another chance here. Item number six. Second reading. Ordinance number 15. Series of 2009. An ordinance designated by the short title. 2009. Refunding bond ordinance. Is there a motion? John Wilkinson? Second by Mark Butler? Discussion? This is what we had, you know, seen weeks ago, nothing changes. This is safe. The bonds and we saved an additional $20,000. Very good for the public. That's the only and we save an additional $20,000. Very good. For the public, that's the only purpose behind this is getting a better interest rate. Should we keep on waiting now? I mean, if we save $20,000 this last time, can we get a share of this old? What do you get? The interest rates may go up. So, being the second reading, I have a roll call vote on this. Mr. Boyano? Yes. Mr. Las? Yes. Mr. Wockenson. Yes. Mr. Butler? Yes. Mr. M. Okay. Thank you, Marianne. Thank you, Marianne. Thank you very much. What we're just hacking away at this agenda today. Don't slow down. That's a lot of times. Well, now we're going to move on to item seven. Resolution number 31 series 2009 asked in this school district housing project. Mr. Forrest. I think it's Mr. Dress. This is Dress Reign Forrest, so I called on you too. I just passed the second. Okay, John and Reed. You moved in second? John and Reed. So in my absence, you guys just cancel, sat and met with these school. I talked about issues and ideas I saw. Questions. What we need to do is I guess go through some of those. So I talked about issues and ideas I saw. Questions? What we need to do is I guess go through some of those and see how the, we need to clean up anything else in here. Questions we may have. Read. On page 45, the last paragraph. It says, and these are all recommendations, but says the sloping roof flums are presented as presented are preferred to flat roofs. I don't think that is as strongly as we verbalized it last time. Sloping away or we want a larger angle slope and we want away from the center of the building if possible. We did not see sloping reforms. We saw the inverted and we got the next sentence too. The first sentence was just not correct. Now what I didn't hear this last week, but when you asked them for more sloping roofs, you're Specifically talking about raising the roof line then. Well the problem was it was on a four four degree angle So we didn't think that was adequate to shield the snowfall come out those roofs. So we were suggesting a higher pitch. But if you do that, it's going to make a higher pitch right now to get all the volume of people in there in the rooms. I don't know. You're going to have to have a higher roof point. I guess I don't know. Now is it a problem because council doesn't, you know, it's going to be their maintenance issue. It's not going to be our maintenance, just because you don't like quite the roof. Is that something that you're willing to say no? Yes. After living through two winters of water tripping into my house, I would hate for someone else to have that based on the design. So I think that I'd rather see the roof be a foot taller than have it. I don't see this spot. They weren't on the top part of the building. They were on those like the first and second floor, not on the top. Those were much. But the question is, Julian, it's people work on that. I think I ran in and talked to your representative, owners rep, yeah, earlier last week or later last week. Are they doing some work on this or? Might as well sit up there anyways guys. We got a few more questions. Thank you Yes, we are restuting the roof pitch understanding that we're trying to stay as close to that 38-foot ridge height. And so the inverted ones, as you said, mark here a little easier to address. But I think that there are a couple that were 4% that might have fit the bridge line and so it's my understanding that the preference from the last meeting was that if we had to go a little bit taller that's okay as long as it improve that pitch. Okay thanks. All right you got it, huh? I didn't see this in the rezo and maybe I had I didn't bring them correctly. Did we talk about numbered parking spaces? No, it's a numbered parking space. Spaces up here, up here in the mall. Did Narnie bring that up? That they would be, they could not get numbered parking places up on the permits. Yeah, we talked about Should that go in here? I don't know. I'm not It's it's number half Yeah, no 241 That applies to a permits us on your spot down there What they're talking about oh right residents of the town No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no We haven't extended that privilege to everyone. And so that's a regulation that's adopted by your transportation department. And you simply have to direct them that there won't be permits for this property. You've done it with the timbraries. We've done it with mountain b. We've done it with several properties. And so they're not entitled to get those. I mean, you determine his town council who's eligible to receive that benefit. So you don't really need to put it in the resolution. But is there any downside for putting that in the resolution so everyone's clear on the intent? Well, it's pretty clear to us if you give us the Yeah, I think John just you know said that pretty much that's in the transportation program. I guess the idea is that this is really for that day skier not to go up and use the number of car cars Because you're on the bus route we're trying to keep all the impacts low for those people who live up there and who do live outside the bus route area so they can't depend on the bus to give them people up or redroader other areas. But there's still. What? There still is plenty of free parking for a limited time. Right. You know, there's plenty. Well, I don't know what day for a limited time. Right. You know, there's, uh, it's like plenty. Well, I don't know what day to give you time. You can find, you know, two-hour parking up by the mall and, um, then there's, uh, free parking in the base very structure for limited hours, but that's still available to, who's ever living there. We just want to discourage people from getting resident permits, which allows you to park in the numbered lots all day. That was the intent here not to say they can't park up there. It has been something we've been looking at and doing with people who live on bus routes and bus because we want to make sure that they take advantage. Hopefully we invest quite a bit of money in to take, you know, to use that system. Do you have any thoughts or questions about? I wasn't quite sure but now I understand what you're referring to. I thought maybe those lights were used for overnight parking. If you had an excess car or something, I didn't quite understand. It's just a run up to you. So you're just warning us that you didn't want to give those permits to these residents because that's been your track record with other affordable housing projects that are on a bus line. We've been taking that approach of the last couple of years and we've found that there had been problems because he had not done that in previous years. So last five years we've been ratcheting down the number of permits that are available to use that as a day skier parking area. There's a lot of factors that go into that Julianne. Like the Timbers Club, that was a stipulation in their ornaments. Because you think about it, you've got 288 members there, and they're all owners. They all get a deeded interest. Of course, it's slope side and it's on a bus line and so there was numbers game there and then in other projects it's been the same thing. Club Commons down by there are two bus lines, large numbers of people and we declined to give them the privilege of having that permit because of we want them to utilize the public transportation and there's a capacity issue up there. So that's, we look at each one now. I don't know, I don't have any example of a major project that's off of bus line, but that's the rationale we've been using. And so it's fairly recent. It's longer than a few years though, because the timber's approval was back in 2001. So that's true. So again, this is not necessarily a recommendation that the school district did simply direction to staff. OK. In the year is 15 minutes by service for that site anyway. It's great service. You can be crazy if you wanted to talk about this. Okay, anything else? I have a couple of things. Over online 287, just a little on the other thing. Council recognizes that he provisioned or the provision? Yep. Go ahead, John. I was just kind of curious, Julian, your reaction to the recommendations that we made at the meeting last week. What has been the reaction from the board on those recommendations? Certainly, there have been some issues such as a slope roof that we've been talking about and the architects are moving forward with that in terms of studying that further. We haven't had a chance to talk to the whole entire board quite frankly. We are waiting to see what all your recommendations were going to be so that they in turn can confirm or whatever. The other thing is we didn't have the benefit of I think you did a site visit this past week and made a decision about car ports and see we didn't really have that discussion because we didn't know what you would all you were going to come up with. So there's still some things out there but for the most part we feel pretty good about what was recommended and we feel that we can come always towards meeting you on some of those issues. What's your thoughts on the car ports? I don't know that I can really address it in detail. I can tell you this, that's going to be a very big budget item that we really hadn't anticipated. And that's going to be challenging for the district. We don't think that it makes sense for us to do car ports along with storage, even though everyone knows that putting snow tires in a storage locker is really a nice amenity to have. Because the more that we would have to encroach in your right away through a licensing agreement, the more risk the school district takes in the event that let's say all Creek needs to be widened. And so those were the things that our discussion briefly with Laura Crenesvich before she left. Cornstarches, sorry. You know, we discussed that as a possibility because we knew you were talking about it. We just didn't know if you were going to land there with that issue. So that's, you know. Wasn't the other thing. If you do a car port, you give it parking places as well. It's not a one to one trade. It's definitely not a one to one trade and we anticipated we'd probably lose three up to three spaces. Which is not good for this project. You know there's just a lot of trade-offs with the parking structure and as much as it's a nice amenity, quite honestly, for residents, we just don't know that we have it in our budget right now. I also believe John fill in, but Hunt did go out there and looked at the drainage and there would be some additional effort that need to occur to manage the stormwater. In other words, it wouldn't, there would be some additional cost to manage the stormwater. That who would bear that cost? Well, it would be them. It wouldn't be the time. Well, no. No. What he's really talking about is cleaning out that ditch that they can't do it from the roadside there I guess they've been coming in through the parking lot, which is Where our license is where the right away is and to block the access to the ditch by carports Would make it very problematic to keep those ditches clean That's not to say that a solution to keep underground the ditch, whatever it is that an applicant could undertake, couldn't resolve those. And as it stands now to just put in a back wall, which is I think we all envision it, would make it problematic down there. The other issues that you ask public works to look into, the trees, those did not present problems, those can be cropped so that the sight lines can be addressed. And I guess I wasn't at the sight visit. I just had an email and unfortunately, the wireless isn't letting me on right now. I could share his exact words with you. And that was the extent of it. In my understanding is that he was amenable to the possibility of allowing us to do some landscaping in that right of way area where the ditches. So long as it didn't pursue the ditch maintenance. So there's maybe not the ability to put up a wall of landscaping but there's an ability to enhance the landscaping there. Which I think really all your recommendation says anyway. So planning commission felt it was a little thin in that area. They they conceded that they didn't put a lot of landscaping in there because they didn't own the land. So it would have to be with the consent of the town for soon a two-alicence agreement to allow more landscaping in that area anyway. So. And we're a men and women to that. John Wilkinson. Yeah, I'm okay with the license agreement number one between the town. I think that to leave the option open if you wanna build a car port for your employees and for your tenants, that's cool. It's okay to leave that in the document. I'm not gonna push that heavily. It isn't a minute, it'd be nice if I was living there. So you may hear that down the road that we're sure like to have car ports, but I spent until I was 46 years old sweeping off cars. So, you know, it's a reality of living out in the West. The one issue I was hoping you had a chance to discuss is the pullout for the bus. And that's where it's going to go to. Which line? It's a 309 shuttle stop. The cost share on the placement of the shuttle stop on the South side of all Creek Road. Did you have a chance to look into that or is that we did we did discuss it just as like I said our team met with Laura we haven't met with the board regarding that. We would, as we mentioned at the meeting, you know, because you don't own the right of way or you know, there's some issues related to that and other we will be prepared to address that and maybe throw out some options. We aren't at a point where we would commit to doing this at this time. But the board might feel differently once they've had a chance to review it. I think it's important that we cost share on that. Because everyone's got to somehow come forward to have that bust out, put in because it is important. But we also think that it would be fair. If we were going to do a cost share share that it shouldn't be just this project, but fairway three and meadow ranch and Anderson. There's multiple users of that space and it would only be fair for everyone to make contribution. I agree with that. I agree with that. A number of residents that we might have asked to break this up. Right. Yeah, but we need something there and I just didn't want to have that be excluded from Any talks that you guys are gonna be having regarding that so by our last meeting Did you give them an idea of what a percentage of a cost share was coming out of our mind or John? Mr. Mayor I just want to caution you the way the IJ is written It's up to you as a council to formulate your recommendations. When we talk about what they're going to do and they're not going to do is scheduled for the next meeting. And so I mean you're asking representatives of the board what they're, how they feel about it. I mean I'm sure if budget was no concern Julianne would say well we're going to put in heated car ports and we're going to have landscaping this way, and we're going to put in the Taj Mahal bus stops. But she really doesn't have the authority to respond, so you need to focus on what you want to recommend to them, because then they are going to take it back to their board. And in two weeks, the questions that you're asking will be appropriate because you'll have the decision makers from the school district to answer for you. I'm kind of throwing her a lifeline because you're beating her up and she can't answer. She just doesn't have the answer. It's, you know, it's- Well, as important for us to then come up with a percentage that we think we would like to ask them for instead of just saying a Cost share to say 25% of the cost to do this would be an appropriate number. We'd be looking for if that's the recommendation You want to make that's fine But I can tell you that Dr. Cerco and Julian can't say Okay, we're good with that. We'll we'll buy off on it. So if you want to identify that percentage, that's fine. I'll leave it at that. Thank you. I would leave it open, just let that come back in two weeks with a suggestion. Okay. You may very well want to direct staff to identify the use in the area to come up with a percentage that's not out of thin air, but it actually has a nexus that applies to the property and the surrounding properties. And I'll tell you the response that we got from the question is who owns the property? I mean, that's another thing. But if the town's going to go ahead with a stop there, you need to address the use and then figure out what that cost is going to be. And if it includes land acquisition, you can't say, I mean, David has his stock designs for the different size shelters. And the prices for those, you can't really pick one of those and say, okay, this is a $50,000 bus stop bus shelter. And we calculate that 24 bedrooms is going to contribute X number of riders and these other bedrooms, you know, and come up with a pro-rad of share when you don't understand the land costs and maybe we need to have some clue about that because it could be that metal ranch may be willing to give the tunnel license agreement where that bus stop would be outside of the right way and be constructed. But to come up with that defendable number, I think you should be floating a concept now and then coming up with a hard number. But if you want to pick a number, I'm not going to stop you. So the bus stop is down there now, which is about 20, 30 yards down into the meta-ranch property. There's a bus stop that we've been using for years down there. It's off the road. It looks like it's in a little parking area. And I guess if no one's parked there, the buses pull off into the area. We're talking about abandoning that I guess. I don't think we've got it designed. Okay well I was my you know I drove down there today and I saw right across from the intersection where a place you know maybe could be but then another you know 30 yards down is one that has been there that people have been using. So I didn't know where you guys have come with last week. So I'll just, yeah, I guess if we can have staff look at something and try to get an idea. More specifics to the site visit, huh? Mini-john the microphone. Come on up on. I'm going to see him arrive. Based on direction last week, I did go to, I pulled the Sinclair's Meadow Platt and then David and I went not typically the guy that would do that but depending upon how the Plats worked out on the other side of the street when they did the country club town on the Bites judgment if you were going to do a bus stop there that you'd actually have to acquire The property from Meta Ranch because they they would own it so that's as far as I got Just one more issue to to remind on that piece is that Just a more issue to to remind on that piece is that the district will expend considerable resources over time to provide the bus for staff to go to and from work. So that would be something that in other words many of our staff members, rather than using the city bus service or the town service, although they would if they're going downtown et cetera, like on a weekend. But when they're going to and from work, most of them will be utilizing the school bus that's provided by the school district for, if I can't imagine. I mean, right now we've been running one for four years down Valley. I don't see us ending that anytime soon. And I think the same thing would occur here over a long period of time, we would be providing that bus. So I guess, you know, we're trying to alleviate some of the issues with the transportation and, you know, with staff going back and forth with that bus. So just a reminder that those resources will be expended in that way too. I guess, you know, people coming back from skiing or going shopping and that kind of stuff. Where people do find use of that system, what, John, you know, going to end up. Well, no, that's what I was going to say. It's not necessarily for schools, for everything else. And it's not entirely your responsibility, obviously. It's an issue that exists today that is going to be added to, because people are going to be coming back from skiing with boots. And their ski is in trying to cross a busy road and not having a convenient. That all you know we're not looking for a major contribution here we just wanted Mark keep you in the loop. One of the questions I asked last week was about the composition of who will be living here and we had the answers from a couple to you know two different people in the same unit, so parking really became an issue. Do you have a sense of how this product will be marketed in the type or what do you call it? Marital status or non-marital status or family status, which is totally illegal to ask, but... You know, what do you have to the 28 units that we have now, I would say, and particularly with this one having more one bedrooms, because we have a real need for one bedroom, so we have many people on a waiting list for one bedrooms. The majority of those would be one person who's looking for their own place, that kind of thing. The two bedrooms typically are two employees, maybe working or a couple. So the hard part about that is if I went, saw that request and as we come back for the meeting on the 16th, they have more definitive data. But it truly is, I would say very typically half and half where it might be two single employees. Or as we do try to place, like I said, if the two bedroom try to put two people in there if we can, that are school district employees, but if we're not able to fill out second person, then they can find another roommate from the community after we've exhausted. I'll be my second question part of this. OK. But as I said, normally we try to fill it from our own waiting list, but you know, that does happen where they just choose somebody for the community if we don't have anyone. The other question was we had a conversation last week about the shared waste pickup with Anderson Ranch. Have you made any traction on talking with Anderson? We haven't, as far as I know, we haven't made a lot of progress in that regard. We continue to take the position as we've discussed with Anderson Ranch all along is that by accommodating them with maintaining that driveway and our property that the rightful exchange would be that they would take care of, you know, handling the trash on their property. Because we could put it on our property, I suppose, but it would really complicate the parking spaces that we have, quite honestly. So that's our challenge. We're continuing to work with them. We're hoping that that's not going to be an issue with the town. If Anderson Ranch does put that on their property to accommodate both their trash and this project's trash. But we're hoping we could resolve that. And I don't know exactly what the process would be to try and get that to work, but we're hoping it wouldn't be too own or us. John, we're going to share. We have one change to this agreement on page 45 line 246 to prevent unsightly outdoor stories. I don't consider bikes unsightly, so if you just scratch unsightly. Well, that's a matter of opinion That's why we're all artists That the consensus accounts It's his opinion So what do you in other words? John wants to remove his word unsightly. Yeah, I want to still prevent outdoor stories, but I don't consider bikes unsightly Well, I don't consider bikes unsightly. Well I don't necessarily prove it to Johnny, but I think that to get this, I mean I don't disagree with John. I think bikes are not unsightly, but if the other tool be here, don't have a problem, I'll leave that word in there and let's just... It's not going to change. It's not going to change the meaning of the dunking. And certainly just to let you know, I mean that the high quality of living in staff is you want it to be a place where they don't have, you know, John Coveley, the O's and that kind of thing. So that's one reason the story is just being provided so that it is out of sight so that it's not cluttering up those areas. Well, it really was my suggestion for having bike storage or having a place to park bikes. So, that's not what it's saying. Let somebody through in the word unsightly. Okay. We are in agreement that we need a bike rack from last time. Mark, you anything else in the middle? No, I think it's great to hear that the school board is very actively trying to see to satisfy some of the recommendations that we brought forth and we look forward to hearing and seeing the final result in two weeks. Motion by Mr. Wilkinson. Second. Second. Second by Markie. John. Well. Didn't John already move it and read second it. Okay. Okay. That was a long time ago. Thank you. Thank you. So all those of you who were John. Um, on line 261. I'm not sure exactly what language you want in there. I understand the concept, but because we're going to prove this at this point, I'm not sure what you want to say. Let's take out that first sentence. It says it in the second sentence. Yeah. That works for you guys. Yeah. Thank you. That's fine. Thank you. Anything from the public before we vote on this? Maybe a motion to take that out? Mm-hmm. Um. It's a mending. Yes. I guess we will take a motion to amend that. A read? Yeah. Motion that we pull out the first sentence out. Yes. Mark, you second it. Yes. All those in favor of that language? Hi. Hi. Okay. Any opposed? Now is there any just, it's not public hearing public hearing but comment but I just want to see if any of the public wants to make a comment about this Not seeing any All those in favor resolution number 31 as amendment please send the five is saying hi Thank you one One question. Will we see the final revised version by November 10th? I hope so. Otherwise we'd be in breach of the agreement. Thank you, John. Good question. Do you have a board meeting scheduled to consider this? We do. My next one though is not until the 16th. So we'll have to pull everybody together before that so we have our Do you have an idea John or staff of when we can get a revised updated resolution to them I Would say that it would probably be as soon as you came in and signed it mr. Mayor. Thank you Thank you Mr. Mayor, thank you. So tomorrow, for now, we'll see you all. Amen. Thank you. You can toss it on me. Good job, John. Good job. You gave him more than two seconds. That's right. OK. Thanks a lot, man. Now we're going to move on to item number eight. Public hearing, first reading, order number 11, series 2009, standard condominiums, minor amendment to final PUD. Mr. Conrad. Yeah Bill. Take this one, Russ. We had a public notice advertised for this meeting however we had some staff changes so we were unable to be prepared for this particular meeting. We're requesting that this be continued not to November 16 but to the December 2 or whatever do the agendas. Well actually we didn't receive the affidavits for the mailing and posting of the public hearing notices. So I think the notice requirements are in the fall. We'll just simply have to reschedule the public hearing and then conduct the renotices again. So we don't need to continue this kind of invalid public notice. Okay. Okay. Okay. to re-notis as it is. So we don't need to continue this. Got it invalid, help with notice. Okay, okay. Okay. Thank you, so deal with that will not be continued. Moving on, item number nine, continuation of a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance number 14 series 2009, Stomass Club employee housing. We're going to be open to the public hearing. Mr. Wallstrom. Thank you, Mayor. If council recalls back on the median on October 5th, the applicant presented some options regarding the ownership management and operation of the proposed Dormitory Stung Unit at the SNMS club. And in response, the applicant submitted a supplemental package that includes a bargain and sale deed agreement as well as an employee housing restrictive covenant. And the covenant outlines the previous description of the option two that the applicant presented for the management and operation of the unit by the applicant. The applicant also submitted some parking sketches because they have some constraints inside as far as trying to add the recommended five spots and staff was out there with the applicant the other day and they indeed have a constraint issue as far as adding five spots at least in the same area. They might be able to add a few others and separate areas and also included in your packet is the ordinance. We understood staff understood that the council directed staff to prepare a draft. First reading the ordinance for this particular item and that ordinance also references as exhibits. The bargaining sale, D as well as the restricted covenant. And as far as the restrictive covenant is concerned, it identifies the entire area for the employee housing unit of 2,872 square feet, but the ordinance restricts the credits that we understood was previously agreed upon at an amount of 2,373 square feet. So with that, I'm going to turn it over to the applicant. at an amount of 2,373 square feet. So with that, I'm gonna turn it over to the applicant, Dana Delebede and Don Schuster and Dave Bellock. The description that Jim was talking about and we can't do the exhibit with the 28-hour square feet until we actually build this space because we'll need to meet some bounds description in order to accomplish that but one of the reasons why that is the larger number is we're also mitigating Difference between 2373 and the 2800 square feet for the employee housing mitigation that were required for the conversion of our office space so the net is spelled out in the ordinance at 2373. Would be the amount of credits that could be applied to other projects in the future. And I know Jim included in the packet and also an email that I sent to him with the two specific items that Jim's brought up. As number one, I know that there was conversation back and forth between us and council on whether or not this 2373 credits would be applied to any future project or to L camp. I thought that we had left it at being for any future project and so I wanted to bring that up today. The second point was planning commission suggested that we needed to have five parking spaces, even though we were going to restrict occupants in here not having a vehicle for the potential that we would have visitors that come and parked for a period of time and so forth. So we, you know, for the obvious conversations that we had previously where we felt like we could control this, but we went out and were able to find what we think is a solution. And I think Jim had provided you with some diagrams where we think we can get three additional parking spaces, which we can sign, which is out back in the overflow lot, back near the tennis, the outdoor tennis facility and so forth. But we really couldn't find five spaces without going into the lot. That was going to be the phase one of the PRC there that's sort of close to the property line that was there. So we're fine with being able to put those extra three spaces in the end of that. It doesn't interfere with the emergency access that was required by the Summess Wildcat Fire Protection District that just sort of extends parking lot for where they'll go into that. So, you know, if Council's okay with that, we'd like to proceed with just three of these spaces and we'll sign them and designate them as visitors parking for these locations only. We had looked at a couple of other locations that are closer to the main club parking lot. It involves removing substantial amount of landscaping that was originally required to screen the tennis building itself, and it would also require us to put a Retaining wall and to and we'd lose the sidewalk that goes around the backside towards the water and sand district In that location in order to fit those parking spaces in there. So we think we can manage this. And if these people have visitors that have a car, is pursuant to our lease require them to park in the back section in here and sign that. So we'd like to request that this, the plan commission number which suggested five for 10 residents be changed down to three with this location. We have looked at another location which could happen and it's a long clubhouse drive between one of our sanitation district and the tennis building itself. Jim walked the site with us and suggested a couple of parallel parking spots in there, but If you look at the site as you're driving there where there's a sidewalk all the way up and down clubhouse drive that's required By previous approvals and quite frankly necessary Um, then we'd have to be able to put the parallel parking spaces On the other side of the sidewalk so in order to parallel park you'd actually have to go across the sidewalk to park in there. And we thought that that was a little convoluted. But if required to do five parking spots, we thought we could fit those two in that location. If you have a question. How did you land on five? Excuse me? How was five the magic number that was landed on by the Planning commission? What's the formula that we got to that point? Yeah, I don't think they based it off a ratio or You know account pre-unit or anything. I think they just indicated that They estimated that five might be the practical need You know Okay, the house the demand for Visitor trips to the site. Okay. And I would, you know, personally, I'd like to say that I am very, had a very hard time saying that any employee housing shouldn't have any parking. Even though I know you're talking about restricting it in the whole nine yards, I think that we're taking dangerous steps to go down a path to say, well, it can be managed. As you said in the report that there are visitors using it, I would just make sure that we say in the future, can't do without any sun parking. I think we need to stay as close as we can to our code. I think sometimes there can be some variances you deal with, but to start off by saying zero too far. Anything else in the parking? I guess the question three to be a number that we would work towards or allow. What is Council's feeling about their application for three spaces versus three, play in the mission five? Given our land, this code doesn't land or give any rationale behind a methodology to calculate for this type of temporary housing, seasonal employees. I I can't justify 510353. I'm okay with 3. There seems to be quite a bit of parking available down in that lack of the woods. I think I'm okay with it too based on the fact I think most of the visitors which are these people are going to be are probably going to be there more in the evening when it isn't as the man doesn't as high at the facilities of the club so I can handle three but again it would be nice to have more if we can set it. The same with the table. I can go with three. Not joyously. Are you? Well I'm wondering if we could say we'll prove it with three with a reservation that if there is a what we see in a year or two that's creating a problem that we've been having to find. Two more parking zones. That works. That would be good. I think we can find. Do more part of the business. That works. That would be good. I think we can. I'll say, I'll do you. Enter that in the Result. And you are now. Well, I'm not absolutely positive how I would do it. We've had parking management problems in the past, and we've monitored it. Whatever methodology we used, we could do that. We could use it by here. Chris will probably remember we had a scenario like this when the Outdoor Tennis Parking was approved for phase one and over a period of time there was a requirement. We came in and did an alternate plan to that and there was a caveat in it that would be monitored and if there was an issue over a period of time we could probably resurrect that language Chris I don't know if you remember that well yeah we've used it several other projects too and okay but we do require that we identify a potential for parking purposes. We establish a reasonable, you know, period of time the monitor, and then within that time frame, the planning director or through the town council can then direct them to construct that parking and to make it available, or it's determined that it's not necessary after that period of time, and that may be used for something else. Okay, that's, yeah, and we all know that people use the clothing at sometimes, often it's tight, but most of the time it's not. So we would identify the two extra supplies that you would suggest that that would be impractical, but have that part of the conditions for if so in the future. We can provide Jim with a site plan that showed this is potential as future required parking Okay The only issue has to do with how do you really determine that there is the need for parking directly related to the Project that you're monitoring so so maybe That it's it's the planning directors discretion which may may be appeal to the council or maybe refer to the council in case there has to be a dialogue about parking. It gets a little bit of a sticky with it. And that's mine and we just got to say we're going to manage this by renting it to people who do not own cars. If you own a car, this is not a place where you can wait. And will they have friends who visit occasionally I'm sure they will. Two thousand three hundred seven hundred. Can't have friends with it. Friends can have cars. Mark, before we get into credit against future projects or else camp I just want to have a clarification before we get into that discussion on page 88 number five. This obligation reconvene, it's on the bargain and sale deed. I don't understand what this is all about and perhaps someone could have mic me as to what this all means. It's safe. Sure. There was a court case in Tell you right. So that's what this is telling us addressing the one tenth of one percent conveyance to the town So the town hasn't interested in the real property so we People think that this would prevent someone from using the arguments that we use in the tell your I case to overturn the deed restriction Well, why is your children and Mike's children? That's what I will here. That's a good point. That's what I really appreciate. There's a rule, a real sit-law called the rule against perpetuities, which says, great him on this presentation. It's a day. Lives in being plus half of it. 99 years, isn't that what it was? It's a great rule against perpetuities. There's no interest as good unless it must have asked if it all not later than 21 years after the life of some life and being at the creation of the interest. So how come they picked you and my Kaplan's kids? I picked them. It was just people that we give them because he's got a lot of kids and I have young kids too. So 21 years after all seven of those people expires a long time from now. Right. Just by way of enlightenment, my youngest son Sam dresser is the measuring life in your school district agreement yeah I saw that too it's just an old real estate will dating back to the Middle Ages that you have to follow or else camp Um Conversation we had at the last meeting I thought it was against any future project I don't know that's where I thought we landed but I need people to refresh my memory on that one do you remember read? That's what we wanted to be. I know that's what you wanted to what did we say? I don't think there was specific mention that it would be used specifically. And the other thing too, we know that Elk campus coming, we don't know where you, I mean, you talked a little bit about where you are with Forest Service and that could be a long time away. We're hoping we're going to do it in the next five years but we don't have Forest Service approvals, we don't have a design to approve building, we don't have a budget that we can choke down yet. So it's got a lot of work that needs to go into it. I find within a future project. The staff just understood. I think the applicant previously represented at least that planning commission that they agreed or suggested the out camp restaurant development as the assignment. And I thought that was carried forward with past town council meetings discussions. I think a credit is a credit, whether it's for Elk Camp or any other project you guys do. I don't understand a problem that signing it, or not a scam. Well, the only problem I would have is that it tends to allow those credits to drag on and on and on. I would be not uncomfortable saying, you're next project, whatever it may be, one get used up. One next project it requires. You don't have to use it if it doesn't require a mitigation. There's a subtle aspect to that is we still have some credits that we bought from the land company that can be used on land according to the state congress interpretation which I think John still agrees with that can only be used on land that we bought from the land company that it owned at the time it created those credits. And the one spot that fits all those parameters other than base village is the area around Limbrit cabin. So if we did something at Limbrit, we would probably like to use some of those Snowmass land company credits in that location. I don't know whether that's gonna be our next project before L-Camp or not. We haven't figured that out yet. The other option is put an expiration. That could be okay to you. Would you object to a upon transferability clause? Sure, we wouldn't transform anybody other than other than an affiliate of ours It's just some other ski company energy possibly probably not but possible. We don't want these like TDR I'm off on eBay right. We've already got a pocket full of those. Yeah Yeah, that's a good idea. And also the time limitation, what were you thinking maybe 10, 20 years? It expires after so many 10 years is fine. 10 years will either have made out camp or determined it's not possible. Yeah. And times will look something else. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds like mind you. We had a long discussion about the ability Have you the grant credits The ski company presented an argument that you've done it before so it's okay to do it again That's not necessarily exactly what the code says yeah, and that you're limited into That's interesting We don't have the capacity to Grant a credit basically and in its dance of this. I don't have my code in front of me, son, a little handicap. But I think it says it can be satisfied by other means. And it said other means, language we interpreted to include among other means the ability to create a credit. And the land company credits have been around a long time and have never really been challenged by anybody. No, there's no expiration date on those either. No, there's no date on those. Yeah, I'm okay with putting a 10 year cap on it. As long as you are. How about we'll propose a 10 year cap. Do you want to hear this? Yes, we cap on it. As long as you are. How about we'll propose a 10-year cap. Do you want to hear this? Yes, we'll hear this. Under section 16A-4-420 subsection 2, and this methods of providing housing, housing shall be provided using one or more of the following methods with preferences given to subparagraph A or B below, A is developer buy down, B is restricted sale, and C is other means. Such other means is maybe agreed upon the town council at its sole discretion and the developer of a project requiring restricted housing is required by Article 4 of this chapter which may include one restricted rates and use're in lawsuit over that right now. Number two is land for credits. The town council let its sole discretion may grant to the developer employee housing credits in exchange for a available land. Number three is cash and lieu. That's actually not under two. That's cash and lieu for minor developments. Tom Consomayne is discretion accept cash and lieu. Cash and lieu shall include the net cost of land citing the current dollars. That's it. Shana, you're suggesting you read it kind of quickly, but you're suggesting that other means are is specifically defined? No, it says which may include. Okay. So it doesn't say limited to. Okay. What's that number again, John? 16A4-420 subsection 2C2 sub A. Okay. And I asked Don about this explaining commission, and they provided a memo that I thought David had written, but maybe it was just researched by his assistant regarding the prior approval of what was it? Ordinance 6 and 94? No. Dana wrote it. We went back and looked at Ordinance 6 and 94. I think 994? Yeah. We went back and looked at ordinance 6 of 94, I think 9 of 94. Yeah, sure. You know, and look at how these credits originally came about. So, the board then presented made that. No, could you speak in microphone? Sorry. But we, you know, came back and presented that and I think it was actually at the council meeting in October, the first council meeting in October when we met about this subject and provided it at that time. Well, the point is that applicants okay with accepting credit concept, applicants okay with accepting a 10-year cap. Does applicant propose it in your cap? I'm sorry. I think the applicant will propose it in your cap. I'm sorry. I think the applicant will propose it in your cap. I'm fine with that. So in terms of this ordinance, so keeps getting better. I move that we approve the ordinance with the modification for the 10 year cap credit. And that the first year of the first year and credit and that the first year to any use not restricted to L. Camp and yeah, yeah, it's not transferable. I said to Mark and you read. Also when the three parking spaces with two in reservation for a future. John Wilkinson. I've got a question. You second to that reading? Yes. No, it goes to us. I have a question on our page 72 line. 124. I think there's a math error there. I'm not certain where you have the SF times 3.68 times 448 times 0.45%. Shouldn't it be the point should not be there? It should be either 0.55 or 45%. It's not less than 1%. Right. so it is 45 percent sure you know I'm gonna leave that in it's 45 or it's 45 percent 45 percent not point to 45 exactly so they were turning we're all taking the percent sign out so yeah see their percent or does he Yeah, you'll put good catch now. Yeah, it's a good catch now. Any else? Public. Public comment. Seeing none, at this point should I close the public? No, I'm sure. Continue it on to the second reading. Yes. OK, so we'll continue the public hearing on till the next second reading, which will be one. 11 16 all those in favor of first reading the series ordinance number 14 actually round it needs to do all the favorites and I hi hi he posed as unanimously thank you thank you As you man, this way. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We're just smoking through this, Billy. Keep going. Keep going. We'll slow down a little bit now. No. No. Next. We have a comment. Okay. So we've got here is first reading ordnance number 17, here's 2009 and this is what Steve's referring to. He wants to have Scott here and what we told me earlier. We'll require two readings. Yeah. In ordnance, amending the composition of the marketing group sales and special events board. Again, just as a quick introduction, in 2007 the town council added an ex officio member. We did communicate with the individual that currently sits on this. She understood and took it well, but I was also asked by related whether they could potentially appoint another individual versus eliminating the position. Okay. So yeah, I guess that's my question is what is bringing this forward? Because I guess we spent quite a bit of time putting a person in that position and crafting this were representative? Ex officio, represent. Ex officio member. Arnie? Well, I guess I was just tickulating like who cares? Ex officio doesn't. Yeah, I mean I, so we're removing an ex officio member who has no voting rights anyhow. Why would that person complain about being a vote? No, to be clear, the individual in the position understood. But I was asked to kind of relate to you from Dwayne, you know, the design. Oh, I see. They did a Westpac. Wants to maintain that seat. Wow. As a official. But potentially with another individual. You have it. Have it marked in it. And then John. OK, I have to ask the blunt question. Are we removing the ex-official member because of the nature of the individual who set on the thing? Or are we doing it just because the developers did all the thing? Developers no longer developing. I hope it's the latter. Or, well, it could be whoever the developer is. Ex officio, whoever the developer is. That's the reason behind all this. Well, I want to know why. Don't just tell me they recommended. I believe this was directed by the town council. We discussed whether the desire was to remove the individual and find a new individual. I think the direction was to remove the extra visual position. Well, this was a short-sighted. A composition in the ordinance that was passed to the practice. Ex officio member reads one ex officfficial member of the board to be appointed by the town council to represent the ongoing development business in the town. That's the purpose. Which the moment it's nil. But we could, and we did not fill the position. Or we could fill it with somebody that doesn't need a position. Oh, the position's currently filled. So you'd have to, again, what this does is it eliminates the ex officio position completely. I don't think it's smart. I think we need to keep it personally. I believe that there will be development at some point, in whoever, if it's related, or anybody else. I mean, I think it's important to have somebody seated as have some input. Even though they can come to the meetings, they can have input outside the official position. But I have a hard time because I believe there was quite a bit of time spent trying to craft this language in first just to say today, because the developers not developing me, they still own the property. And we still have to, I think, work with them. And I'm having a difficult time supporting this. Could I ask a question? Who's on, who are the three lodging group? I don't even know who I was on the marketing board, and that's Shane, on me. But who's on it? You've got Robert Sinko, John Quigley, and you also have, I think, Mr. David Perry, who is representing the lodging community in Bay Village. I understand anybody can get, can be nominated by the constituency regardless of whether that person is truly associated with that constituency. And then we only have one retail, and only one in Poudan, Vibrig. The way it is. That's a three-star and then you got Jenny. And then you got an ant-large. You got two members at large and who is that? Peter and Bob. Yeah. Peter and Bob. Hervus and more. Feeling. Marty. I kind of agree with your position that we ought to have a developer representation in some manner. And that was all very nice as long as we had one developer. But what if, let's say, the parcels get sold off and they're three developers, how do you choose? Do they have to get together and decide on one? It's like a logic. It's not limited to the developer of base village no right it's developing around development business in town in town right base village has a special seat for representative of the lodging industry from the lodging business in base village and that representative is David Perry of the ski company. There's also a requirement under qualifications that all members shall be town residents or employed in the town. So again with this sport we advertise for a vacant vacancy the specific seat that's open and We see who we get. Oh, we don't have to do that either We can just a point read. No, just leave it. I think that the original intent of this position was to Incorporate the developer who was also going to be spending a lot of their own money marketing the town that has happened and a lot of their own money marketing the town. That has happened. And part of what happened as a result of that is our this position pulled our marketing dollars, in my opinion, more in the direction of, I mean, they wanted everything to look the same. But at the same time, I also feel like it might have gotten swayed a little bit more strongly in marketing to, I guess it would still be marketing, but it got swayed in a direction that went more corporate in look, in feel, and everything else. And I think we lost a little bit of the direction that our town historically has gone in. So I think that that is another reason to kind of reevaluate where the composition of this board is going. But as an ex officio member, it doesn't get provoked. They made an argument. Money's a funny thing, Billy. And when you said they're saying, hey, we're gonna throw this much in a marketing plan and we're gonna work with you and dovetail it when in reality you're just kind of pulling it in a direction that might be different from what would have happened without that person throwing constant input, I guess, from that side. It changes the dynamic of the board. I'm not sure that's the goal that we were originally going for. I can appreciate where we're coming from. On the other hand, there is a chair, there is a board, and I think there if there's conflict within that committee, it's the role of the chair to manage those dynamics. So I am really challenged about taking an x-official off when we are trying to really market snowmass. We all know that, let's use Bicewoi for example, there's tons of ads out there on marketing Bicewoi, snow mass and life, we think we would want that to continue if they can get their CO. But I don't think it's, until we have a letter coming forward from the marketing committee telling us that it's totally dysfunction. I don't think you just go in and change membership. And that's all I have to say. You think we should, I'm sorry. I don't think that if I don't have a letter coming from everyone on the marketing committees signing that this is a very dysfunctional committee, I don't think it's our job to try to micromanage the dynamic when I don't I'm working on hearsay. Yeah, quite duple. Just remember you're not talking about a member. You're talking about the composition of the board. Well, that's where I am. The composition shouldn't change. I know, but I just want it to be very clear that that's what you're talking about. You're not the individual person. The individual person. Remember, you're talking about the composition of the board. Thank you, John. John Wilkinson. Yeah, just a couple of items. In the vacancies, the code says that we shall appoint a new member to serve the remaining term if a vacancy occurs. So we can't. We don't have the option of leaving it vacant, according to the way there isn't technically a vacancy right now. Right. Okay. But thinking about this a little bit further, this is the one board that probably troubles me the most in film as Village. It's the one board that has their own power of how to spend taxpayer dollars. And the prior council that I wasn't on voted, starting up this committee, wanted the council to be away from the operations of this board. I've started to have a change of thought on that. I appreciate all the discussion upon the ex-official, but I'd like to suggest that we think about having a representative from this council sitting on the board as a voting board member. I think it's gotten to the point there's a lot of things going on that we don't have oversight on that we all hear rumors but it's such an important board to the town that the only time we have the ability to say anything is a budget and we don't see hardly anything a budget. So you're putting forth that we really need to take a look at the entire marketing board. That's just a composition. What does it do? What power it has? I'm not so concerned with that. I would just like to have somebody from this council sitting on as a voting member on that board at this point. I think there's enough thing moving targets going on and what's going on that I would like to have one of us be a seat on that board. Honey, I don't think that's appropriate. I don't disagree with the concept that we're not doing a perhaps our job or B, we need to change the role between council of vis-a-vis the marketing board. But it's inappropriate for a member of the Council to be on a board which the Council controls. We're not on the Planning Commission, we're not on the Financial Advisory Board, right? Other board? No. Except that none of those other boards have a budget of three-month. And I also agree that maybe what we ought to do is say, you know, we don't just approve the budget as a whole. We approve. I mean, you could go so far as to say we could approve every line. But I just, all I'm suggesting is I don't think it's appropriate for us to have a member of our council on a board that we control. We may better control what they do, and I'm not disagreeing necessarily with that. I agree with Arnie, I think that that's taking a different approach that I don't believe we are supposed to be handling that way. I totally agree with Arnie. I think what we might really want to do, which perhaps I wasn't clear, is really look at the functions of the market board. And what is the boundaries of decision that they can and cannot make relative to spinning town resources. And then within that is a conversation about, okay, if that's the goal of mission of this board how best can you meet that is the composition correct and it may not be it may we so that's where I'm going with this. Well and that's pretty well spelled out in section two three twenty the powers and duties of the the board and one of those John I think might address your concern and my knowledge it hasn't really been followed I don't know if you've gotten it but number eight is make quarterly reports to the town council showing performance of the approved business plans. I was just going to add to that that I think you know there's a legal requirement to up the communication and I at the end of the, you still have the final fiduciary responsibility. And I think the next strategic checkpoint is there is a debate going on right now that in terms of what are the priorities with limited resources. And I think that discussion has to come back to you. It's something we highlighted in the budget that you approved a budget, but the marketing board is still debating that. And I think that discussion needs to come back to you. And I think they probably need to come back to you and make a report with their rationale. And I think it's for you to say, yay, nay, or change X, Y, and Z. Well, just put it on the quarterly calendar. John, I just want to point out that I'm not in total agreement with one thing Russ said that the fiduciary duty goes to you because you have the power to approve that annual budget. That board has the power to authorize the town manager to enter into contracts and agreements to carry out its purposes, including administrative support. The council still has the authority to approve the budget. The budget, right. That's... We've been lacking in our... You've proved that budget, but the level of detail you've seen is... At a high level. And it's up to the board itself. It's as prior to making a report to Council, the board and town council will mutually agree on a report format. So there's opportunity for maybe more interaction than we've had in the past. I think historically there has been the more perception that there needs to be an arms length. And I think again, it's healthy for that board to really get into the nuts and bolts and the strategy. But again, I think there is an obligation. I think there's a greater need now to have that communication with the council and to ensure that you feel fundamentally comfortable with the high level strategy that goes from. We digress from the topic. We do. We do have a question at hand. John? There's one other point that you should know in researching the history of this, it was approved. The board was approved pursuant to an election, and well, actually prior to the election, but in 2002, and there was an amendment, besides the Ex officio, there was also an amendment in 2005, which changed the qualifications for members of this board to allow people that were employed in the town. Prior to that, it was felt that only residents in the town prior to that it was felt that only residents in the town should have the ability to direct the spending of the town's tax base not people that were simply employed here and in Residue yourself. That's a definite seven-poid. I would assume that. Rather broad. Well, we have a housing definition. Yes, we have a housing definition, but don't raise a statement. OK, if you went to where the office, the principal place, the business of a company that did business here, that would disqualify certain people. Don, welcome. OK, I'll agree with the concept that maybe a board member, a council member should not be on that board, but I want to go back to the enabling ordinance, which Subsection 7 says that they annually provide town council with a business plan that includes relevant performance standards. We haven't seen that. Maybe we have, but I'm not really familiar. Then it goes on to make quarterly reports to the town council of showing the performance of the approved business plan. Only thing that got close to that was when they did give you a strategic plan that was close to a business plan that was once though in the last two years. Well, I think we're at the point where we need to assert our responsibilities under this ordinance to provide the town with the assurance that we have oversight of some of these issues. And just by saying that you'll provide counsel with a business plan, I don't think goes far enough for me. I mean, we have to approve the business plan, you know, just having it provided to us. You know, oh, here it is. Yeah, here it is. This is what we're going to do, you know, fine, but I think we need to take a more active role. And this is perhaps the way we do that. Okay. Let's go. So as far as this any action on this, I'll move to approve. Second. That's John Wilkinson and Reed and this is to remove the ex officio position. You've got comments. All over the place. Yeah. Start with you. Please say your name. The record. You get these to be turned on. Okay. Okay. What is that? You have to turn it on. First person that uses it. Night and it's turned on. Okay. Okay You have to turn it on first person uses at night and That's the it's the first requirement if you can't turn it on you can't much of here Which one of this one? Oh there she's next part Hello, there you go On yeah, it is now. Hey, Unigman Singer. Just a couple things. First of all, read. And I want to stress the 10th and 10th. A couple of points. All good points brought up. But read statement about the original goal of the marketing board and where we thought it, what we thought its mission was going to be and where we thought it was actually going to be represent, more representative of local marketing and local businesses as opposed to ski co and developer. I think that's important to keep in mind. I think the composition I agree with, if you have an ex officio representing developer and of course right now I believe we have no idea. I mean ski co could be the developer, you know, so then we have Dave Perry, ski co, ex officio, ski co, and there go the locals again. So I think it is very important that the points both of you brought up in everybody brought up. It needs to be followed through because the locals are the ones who pay the taxes locals are the ones who pay the taxes and where the ones who keep getting the short end of the stick and I think it's very important to, especially hearing now that the Labor Day Cancer might be moved away from us. I think it's a very important board and I really agree with you all and we need to look at it. Okay, Scott. Scott Stemman, a related WestPack. I just want to start off by saying that related WestPack still is very, very involved in this community. Between our own ships at the mall, Mount Shelle, Snowmass in, the Snowmass Center, as well as our activities that are ongoing in base village. We are very, very involved and concerned about the community and the success of the community going forward. I think up until recently our sales activity allowed our appointed representative to be very active in the marketing sales board. And unfortunately with recent kind of downturn in sales and the national economy, she has not been traveling, here has frequently hasn't been able to participate as frequently or be as involved. I think what we would like to propose is potentially modifying the replacing the individual with somebody who's on the ground every day, who could be more involved in the board. So we think the board is very, very important to the community. The one other thing I might add, and this just confuses me a little bit, but in both in the memorandum and in the draft ordinance, it says that the marketing board has recommended that the makeup of the board be modified. And I've spoken with both Bob Purvis and Susan Hamley, and neither of them are aware of the marketing board making any recommendation to modify this board. So I would think that it might be a good homework assignment, perhaps, for the marketing board to go back and reflect on this idea, and perhaps give the council their opinion before you pursue this further. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else from the floor? I said here say. Okay, Arnie. Well, it's interesting you should say that's got normally when we have an ordinance presented we get a little blurb about what it's about and who wants it and who's a presenter. This memo comes from Parts Town Manager. And I'm disturbed. I don't know who wants this. This was requested by the town council. This was requested by the town council. We requested it? Yes, you did. You did. So it's not the marketing board. It's not the marketing board. We requested. Oh, I just said that. Apologize for this. But the ordinance and the memo say it's at the recommendation of the marketing group. It's too much to a recommendation by the marketing group. Marketing group. OK, let's just not do anything with this. Pet's an error. There's a motion. There's a motion. OK, this is up here. Therefore, all those in favor, no. I move to set it to table the motion Until we can get a report in two weeks From the marketing they don't want they they initiate this that's that we're actually I think the stupid thing anyhow Okay, am I John wouldn't wouldn't I think your motions well taken aren't even because I think that's what mark you Okay. Am I just defeated? But, John? Wouldn't, I think your motion's well taken, aren't you? Because I think that's what Marky was asking for as well. Wouldn't you like to hear from the marketing board? Yeah. I want to hear from Marky. I'm not even repeating it now, I forget it. Isn't what you want to hear from them about the composition of the board? I want to hear something about. That's a separate strategic discussion with them. Yes. I would like to hear a composition. And also I would like an update or the business plan. If they've got a business plan, we should be looking at them. But that's different than this issue. Let's say, but this is... Okay, we can do this issue. What are we going to do? Okay. Where's your letter? What was your mission? I'll make it again. I'll move the table it for to Is it is a good report? Or do we need more time? We'll never meeting with the marketing board? Yeah Can you join me? No, no, I don't need to join you. Somebody can come from the marketing room. We're even meeting scheduled until December. What? They don't have a meeting scheduled until December. I don't think it meeting scheduled till K-1 day out. I think it's that of a time. They're coming us. We think they went, you know, they can figure it out for themselves. I'm kind of, we say come here to the weeks. They come here into the weeks. About the first meeting December 7th. That's fine. Just let this one die and do that. Yeah, I can't let it die. You want to kill it? Okay, that's not what you're going to draw. Okay. All those in favor ordinance 14, so if I were saying aye, can I just withdraw my motion without make it? They still have to do something with it. Yeah, still that's the only thing. You got a motion in a second. We've got it, yeah. Okay. All those, I'm sorry, I missed the whole motion. Don't worry about it. The motion was to approve this thing that was done by John. I have that. I don't want to be in the middle of it. Now we're just not, we haven't changed anything. So we're still without motion. I was told my motion. We drew the motion to the question. All those in favor of ordinance 14, sitting up and saying aye. Aye. All those opposed? Aye. That's one to four. Thank you. Who's the one? I think That's one to four. Thank you. Who is that? I think we don't disagree with you, Reed. We understand. I think, you know, your point is clear. You do want to have a discussion. And I think they do owe you a business plan. And I think there's a couple of issues that we'll need to come. And I think we probably do have to have a meeting, a joint meeting with the marketing group. I think we do. just one or two of them. I think we have to have those meetings with our groups once in a while. And it's more than the dog and pony show that they came and presented with the strategic plan and we need to talk about nitty-gritty. Well we're, I mean just to give you a snapshot, we're going to a meeting on Wednesday and there really is a discussion. You got fewer dollars in that budget Just like all our other friends and it's really coming down to what are the priorities and what Can you cut to achieve the most important priorities and there may may be a disagreement between this board and that board in terms of what the top priorities It's a legitimate topic for discussion. I'll make maze. Maze is a quite strong job. Yeah. OK. Moving on. Hello. Thank you. What's the little bit of comp? No, no. Where is? I thought we were still having a game. I thought we were still having a game. Yeah, do you guys want a minute to eat or take a break? We have a meal break. Let's take a 10 minute break. Where's the food? Okay, we are back in session. We're dealing with item number 11, Comprehensive Plan. We're going to do a red line edits and look at our view. Russ. Well, you challenged us on schedule at the last time we spoke on this. We had not begun. You challenged us on schedule at the last time we spoke on this. We had not begun, we really did not get into the red line portion of this. But where we are, just for the public, is the planning commission has gone through this. They've made changes and significantly simplified the document. Council over the last really six, seven months has gone chapter by chapter made comments. We're here tonight with your edits just to verify or capture your edits and that they still make sense today and that when you read the various chapters together that the document hangs together. At the last meeting you also asked us could we develop a schedule that would get us to completion close to the end of the year. And on page 98 of your back at, we developed a schedule that also that did that relatively close to the end of the year with a second reading on January 4th. It also incorporated the week of December 7th and 14th, the series of public opportunity is going to push the document out, for summaries of that to solicit feedback from them and to have several open houses in town hall. This presumes though that the council would finish the editing editing and the your review within the next couple of weeks and you know I suggest we jump into it tonight. We contemplated if you have inadequate time tonight you know to potentially look at a special meeting but if you don't want to do a special meeting again we can just move the schedule back. But again, we would like to finish this up as much as you and allow the public one last opportunity to look at this. We anticipated by the week of December 7th that we would be providing the public with a relatively clean document with the graphics so they'd have the opportunity to see it and allow for some additional feedback then come back to you on December 21st. But again, that's predicated really on you completing the review we're in right now. Thank you. John Wilkinson. First of all, even at this schedule, we're going to have to extend the moratorium regardless. I did research that after you last meeting in your direction. It's scheduled to expire December 31st. Russ and I thought that would be best scheduled for first reading on November 16th and second reading December 7th. Assuming that it's approved at that meeting 15 days after December 7th would be in advance of the exploration of the moratorium as it's currently enacted. Okay. So given that, we're going to have to extend it regardless. I'm uncomfortable with the public meeting dates of the 7th and 14th of December. Why? Well, I think they need to be later on. I'd like to see it over the holiday period where there's going to be people in town. I mean, that is not a very convenient time for part time homeowners board members that might want to attend. And I'd rather see this into the last week of December or first week of January to have more public participation. I think those two dates just don't allow for a greater response than what we really need to finalize. Again, our thought is not to have a large silver tree type of meeting and expend a lot of money, but to have a series of open houses. And again, we were trying to balance your direction of figure out how to get this done by the end of the year, and facilitate some public meetings. So we were trying to balance those two things. If you do that, John, then we're probably in to January, February for completion. Well, that's fine. If you want to do that, that's fine. If you want to extend the moratorium regardless, you know why not take advantage of that and have have it at a time when people can attend and I wasn't envisioning a silver tree type situation just having open house here in town hall where people come in. That's what I'm coming. Well again remember the real work as it relates to the moratorium is the next step in routine a few things up. Joe coffees back we're going to be bringing the housing ordinance or housing policy discussion back to you, to spate there will be some land use items. Those are the really things that I think we'd like to get to that are real key moratorium discussion. So entirely up to you if you would like to. These are supposed to be on line. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I'm always thinking. First and I think the schedule's fine. You've worked out. I think that we've seen second home monitors, advisory group, inject information to us even though they're not here. So I don't really have a problem with that time frame as John does. I think people who are here in town, I don't think they're leaving. I think we need to buckle down and get this done sooner than later. The only thing I could offer as an idea is between first and second reading, you know, another opportunity. But again, that could be a little awkward if you get a great idea and you want to fundamentally change something, but you could throw some here for first reading. December 21. You're here. If the second homeowners and other folks that are going to hate give us input want to come and do it personally as opposed to online, they can do that. And we can always think public comment on our first reading. Exactly. It's a good time to do it. Right. I agree. But anyhow, let's get going. Why? I'm a question about what it is we're doing. I mean, are we going to, are we going to review the red line materials that we've gone through and kind of approve or disapprove them and say, well, now that we put it this way, it doesn't make any sense. Or are we going to rewrite this thing again? No. I think the idea was, look at the instructions. I think we all looked at in a red we all looked at the red line edits only. Go with those. If you have any issues with those, let's take care of those now so that we can put this into a format that we can start distributing. Right. Start working on, let the community see it and read it. And just to be clear with you, what we'd like to do do is again, just what you said, Mr. Mayor, is verify that we got your corrections. We'd like to go through with one final grammatical scrub of this and then basically make it look pretty. Put some graphics in here and go forward. Okay, let's start. 83. So again, hopefully in the back of your red line. 86. Well, I know it is and it's on 83. I have no. So hopefully you're looking at a document that's been in your three ring binder for the last few weeks. And it being as with page 82 with an old cover memo and starting with chapter one. And it would be helpful. I don't have your page numbers up here. So if we could do, you know, chapter one, line something. Okay, chapter let's start off. Chapter one, because Markey doesn't have a saying. I can't find anything. We're writing on either. So let's start off, let's keep chapter one, page one. Line 25. Okay. Says, related Westpac in chief and might I think chief and might need to have a separate bullet They shouldn't be they're really not related Processing with stakeholders interviews with the following groups right It's just changed it's a developers Yeah, because it's not not the same company right that's all So suggestion is to make a chafen line in a second line underneath relay to West back. Okay. Yeah, that's all simple. Okay next do page three two. Page three. There are no red lines. Page one of chapter two. We did try and do a global place and make sure we get village. I just got a comment on line 21 memorable Espins snowmass experience should be snowmass village Aspen experience. Again, this is literally a cut and paste from that immigration statement. Hey, the else on the page. Snowmass experience. Not to do me as village. Right. Do we want to delete Aspen? is, my ass village. Right. Do we want to delete Aspen? No. No. Okay. Okay. Next page. We don't have any comments. Let's move. Next page. Yeah. Page three. Okay. Line seven, a premier sports mountain instead of just winter. It just says a premier winter sports mountain. Let's see. I think it's a all season sport mountain. Okay. Yes, small. I'm sorry, say that again, John. A premier sports mountain. Let's take a blind seven. Okay. Okay. Seven. Yep. I'm sorry. Say that again John a premier sports mountain take line seven Net page we're supposed to be going through the appendix or now You made very few comments in the appendices Some places you did There aren't any red lines on nothing nothing this one. No, but there's a lot of it. A grenade ram or errors that hopefully we you've given those to us John. Okay, you saw me. We got these. Okay. Okay. Okay. Go on chapter three page one is 92 for those. Yeah, but was I have that line 46 the word deployment. Is that really deployment is what you do to troops? I think utilization of early. Is Lionel 46 a non-red lion for the first page of community arts? Through the generous deployment of its resources. I had a question. I wasn't here when you did the first scrub on the community arts. Why is it that we reference Aspen film and Theater Aspen they've only done programs here once Wait, where are we now I'm on page two you've got Aspen film actually we're still on page one Oh, sorry page one and we haven't finished that yet generous Use of its resources or something. Yeah, deployment just coming back. Sounds a little too military. Yeah. Especially that. Hey from the arts group. Is that okay? Most of us. Yep. Next page on two now, Markey. Yeah, so line 14 on mine. I don't know what yours is. Aspen film. Same line. Organization has offered several snowman's village based programs. And having interest, I'm not sure that's accurate. So I'm looking for accuracy as well as theater aspen. They've only done one program here and that was three years ago. I think they were hoping they could potentially expand and have more programs. I think it was stop. I don't think we should reference Aspen unless we've got a commitment to ongoing programs here. But it's just a statement. Well, it's a statement. This is what we've done in the past. Right. It's under par with the context. That's why I've gone over this stuff. Again, the precinct is difficult. We enjoy a rich menu, cultural events, blah, blah, blah, town sports the efforts and it spends its money. I would be hopeful that we'll have a vibrant community and we'll successfully go to it. And these are that. Well then, let's add the S. Bonanart, Anderson Art, annual auction. We don't spend any money on that. We didn't spend money on the theater aspect thing in here that I know of, or S. Bonan. I did one time. I just never mind. So this was, I mean, the preceding sentence says through the sob, the town continues to seek opportunities to host such events to aid in the realization of its vision as a vibrant community and successful reserve. Those are examples. I don't think it's an all-in-whose. Okay, fine. Next page. Next page. Next page. Page now four, which is page nothing there. I have the appendix. One page 95. Yeah, our page 95 on the appendix. We didn't make any changes there. John wants to make a change. Yeah. We'll make it there in a second. We on 95. Pendids chapter three. Community arts. Okay. Under vitality. Promote health and fitness. Under arts. That's not an art. If you have to take in context of what it's saying, below the community values and key issues conveyed during the public process. Yeah. Conveyed during the public process. Yeah, conveyed during the public process. Right. So health and fitness was conveyed. It just left out fitness from health. Are you sure? But fitness and community arts. This man. It's just some of the vitality, I guess, his point is trying to, you know. OK. Are we sure that that was conveyed during that process? Not that we think it should have been. I think fitness is part of health. I have another chapter. State substantive change, but this is we were attempting to synthesize public input. Yeah, I don't know if was that part of it, if it was, in certain we need to do this. Just a point. We can't rewrite what I think we're going too far John by rewriting that stuff on there. Okay, take it off. And then further on down under cohesiveness, has no neighbor. How about no your neighbor? That sounds good. Allow more neighbor. As thou knows thou, self, throw me a next. Are we into chapter four now? Chapter four, page one, four, our page 97. 97 in your packet. 98. I'm not yet. Something on line 27. It's the largest in the country thing. I wasn't sure if we should say in Colorado or North America or... Second largest... There's more in that nothing, right? The world. Second largest ski resort in and run of the largest in the country. Okay. And I make any sense does it? Well, that's what it does. The liner we on? Page 27. The liner, okay. Second largest ski resort in and one of the largest in the country. Well, okay. In terms of acreage. Second largest ski resort in Colorado. It's a country. It's a country. It's a country. in terms of acreage. The second largest ski resort in Colorado. It's a third largest in North America. In terms of acreage in vertical rise? We're second in both. Yeah, so I like it in the country. Because acreage. Are we in second in vertical rise, too? We just lost a wreck in range like two years ago. Oh, well, would you mind raising the mountain, please? Yeah, good. So wait, wait, wait, well, would you mind raising the mountain place? Yeah, good. So wait, wait, wait, wait, let's share that. But we go. Oh, that's how you hold the resort. That's how you hold the resort. The second is still there. It's an awful. Second largest ski resort in Colorado. I've got all the other things. I've got all the other things. And one of the largest in the country. In Yeah, that'd be okay. Yeah, okay next line 37 closest I got she got Line 37 closest airport to a destination resort in the country. Oh, I think Aspen's closer to the airport than we are But that's okay Yeah, I think they are Next You know that's a question are we are they yeah, I think they are page 98 The air please closer We're they're closer to the air They're annexed out 90 okay next page. 29. 29. Yeah. Do you have that appendix? I'm going to retail leakage. Do some fancy saving here. Okay. And now you want the appendix open? Yep. Retail leakage, she says, which is the last paragraph. It says captured by outside markets, notably Aspen, and then I think we should insert mid Valley England which brings because it's skipping over the mid-vow What line? have a line It's under you tell Lee teach On the last page John No, no, should be the first page of the chapter so far So first page of the pen is last paragraph correct? Yeah, and you want to say the real good small size it's the next last pair we're in the community it's a mid Valley in Glenwood Springs up the second the last paragraph just move up a little bit yeah right notably ask in mid Valley okay gotcha thanks okay that's okay. Okay, now I want to talk about this table. Yeah, I know the table is kind of screwed up, but a lively public realm, a tourist cohort is that he's on the page next page. I know three. Pop the panel. I'm a positive. An economic is a sustainable outline. Yeah, but then it says servicing a variety of tourist co-hards Properly servicing a variety of tourists What are what are co-hards? It's our comparable set Yeah, the comparable sets is is that work out? I mean is that okay? Okay? So this is strictly this is language from the marketing Okay, I mean it's right when no it't. Co-hards are people like. But it's actually, yeah. I'm running a bunch of cohorts. Those are hoodlums. Yeah. And then your table 4.3, 4.3. It's really? Yeah. Besides that it's unreadable? Well, no. It needs to be indexed. Look at the percent you got like the 15 percent. Oh, you mean just alignment. Yeah, it's a line-up. Just formatting. Okay. Because you've got a few lines to do that. Yeah. Oh, I see. The 34 things are out of alignment. Yeah. First time that's ever happened here. And moving on. It won't be the last. I promise I won't do this again. I had a question. Where are you? Marky first. There's a ski area, ski days by ski area. Should we do one more column for seven, eight? You're back on table four days three? Yeah four days three? Yes it's basically three years old now. By the time you publish this. Mm-hmm. What is the skier days? The percentage by mountain. I would update that. You want to just if we count it hasn't another change significantly. I don't think it's changed. Well, then we should. Signific. I don't know. Update table 4.3. Yeah. Has to skier days and second homeowners. Yeah. OK. There you go. Move on. page 106 or at a last sentence of 106, I, you know, percent of skiers that are female declines dramatically after age of 40 suggesting me for more things for women to do while men are skiing. Well, it's pretty sick. I don't know. Moving on. Okay, sexist. Yeah. Moving on. Okay, sexist. Yeah, Cooper Bating here. What is that movie coming out of you? Oh, he never. Yeah. John, you're blushing. Wow, seven. I just couldn't help that. One away. Nine. One ten. This is really the economic strategic plan. I mean this appendices We're not gonna update that 111 112 paragraph two on 112 Western works. Yeah, it says living elsewhere guests. We probably need to find a better word for that Then question marks? Yeah. Good. Yeah. Lodging and or out of town guests. Right. Mm-hmm. Okay. I don't understand what the whole sentence, the whole paragraph, said. I was just reading that too, aren't you? Or visitors? I heard you asked him to ask the word. We tell him we're getting demand. Capturing increased value. And the bill is primarily, the pay-and-sponsored. The pay-and-sponsored. The bill is primarily, the pay-and-sponsored. The bill is primarily, the pay-and-sponsored. The bill is Okay. Or overnight visitors or overnight guests. It's a lodging isn't it? It's trying to describe who these folks are. It's trying to talk about the people that come in and stay overnight because they are different from the ones that do not stay overnight. It's basically, it's overnight as well as trying to go with it. So instead of saying lodging withing elsewhere, guess you say overnight guests constitute the largest expenses. That'll be $10,000 for my opinion on that. Oh, OK. Are you renting yourself out? Yeah. I believe I know where that word is for. Here you go. I will tell you you're not worth it. We can laugh much was that. 99999. One 13. That's sorry, Eri. It's only 4.6. It's dark outside. He's only caught half of six. Yeah, it's dark outside. 114. It's the most efficient. We're on to chapter five, Leslie. Yep. Okay, I'll try to get over there. One. Page one. Quick before John could find something. Oh, I found it. He's got it. John? No, never. 115. John? No, nothing. One 15. One 16. Um, line 15 on, 16 page three, uh, current list of facilities. I think it's important to note that the town hall does include a library extension. Is it a satellite library? Yeah, because it is a facility. It is. I'm good. Sound home. And satellite library. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Yeah. You make a great There's one what hey we want a chapter five for I Added required duplication. I did go ahead and put Spiritual Center or sanctuary what line are you on 39 39 Required what we require duplication and I usually would include I'm not going to require duplication and I usually would include one in that point too. Library's in there. Where? It's not in mind. It's in the red line. Oh! It's in the red line. Okay. But did you want to add? I was going to add the Sanctuary of the Church, whatever you want to call it. Spiritual Center. That's fine. Religious... Sanctuary of the Church. Just church. Or sanctuary or spiritual center. Okay. Anyone? On parks, trails and open space. Did I miss something? I don't know. Did I? Come and go. Give me this Nordic. Oh, we've got Nordic in next one. Give me this Nordic. Oh, we've got Nordic in here somewhere. It's in there somewhere. I didn't see it under the marks. Trails in open space. The bios of Nordic trails. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no adding it. I did it for you. I'm just gonna say he's gonna be on council until the next time we go through this. Parks trails in so where can you where do you want the under trails I would just put some place within the in that paragraph of yeah because we have like 20 miles of good We just do parks and trails summer in winter. Oh, that's good. There you go It's good. Yeah, it's in there kind of and then just keep the Nordic specific Nordic thing out I think you know, we're mentioning the miles of paved trails and unpaved trails I think we need to mention there's like 15 miles of groomed Nordic trails. Yeah, that's a good place to put it Okay, 46.5 miles of unpaid trails. I'm just guessing on the 15 miles of Nordic. Oh, I'll highlight it. But that's. Sounds good. Next page? 30. 116. First. What, town hall and satellite library, anything else? Nope. Last page of that chapter? Okay. Into the appendix of chapter 5? Got nothing. Anybody have anything on any of those? No. All right, all right, line. Nope. Get all the way over to page 120. What, 123? Of the last page of the appendix? Okay. It's another Know Your Neighbor. Set the top of the appendix it's another no your neighbor set the top of the page social involvement and then this has the snowmast village partnerships I think we need to mention that there's the snowmass homeowners association because that is a similar to the second homeowners advisory board mean our I think we've changed the name of the group since we started the project. We're talking about snowman's village partnerships under facilities. Are you want the H.O.A.? Yes, somewhere it should be in this document. I don't know where. I don't think it belongs there. okay well not really a partnership. Not a partnership. Well is the advisory board? The advisory board really isn't either. That should be taken out. I think Mark is right. That's got to come out. Let's not. Yeah. There's no message. There's an association and it doesn't exist. What's it said? Wait, he's still dead. Oh, we're trying to get rid of it. That's what Mark said when he first ran for mayor. What? Three years ago. Oh. Okay, forget it. Rounded six. Well, let me, let's just talk for a moment about the second homeowner's advisory board. I think if you were to ask them, they look at themselves as a partnership with the rest of it. We should we want to remove that from this particular. Well, they're not a partnership. They're part of us. Like they're a board that is the town. Or would you want to be more general and just talk about our part time homeowners versus referencing that board? We don't have a formal partnership with our part time homeowners, except you except you're right read Entity it's not a partner Take it out I'm waiting for mail to send me an email. It's it soon It's at it though all of us still extremely important. They are. Oh, yeah Okay, so what's the deal they were gonna pull it mm-hmm? Okay Chapter six Okay, so what's the deal there? We're going to pull it. Okay. Chapter 6, page 1, or 124. Okay, here's the end of the page. Oops. Page 2, 125. Remember, on page 2, don't adjust the space between the Latin and Asian text. I just saw right there in the bullet point. I didn't know we had Latin text or Asian text there. That's all right. That's not the I don't know if you can get that. I have a good idea. Microsususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususus And same thing then on line 14 On 14 yeah line 14 yeah, no So you want to say brush Creek All Creek and snowmass Creek valleys. Yeah, okay Well on the second one though we can't really Do much about that well by dudes we can promote the stewardship on the first when I agree on the second one. We can't do anything about public views and quarters over on that side. The only thing we really have over there is the water. Well, but the ditch trail, which is part of Snowmass Creek drainage, or city limits, goes over to the... That's true. It's called the Green. That's exactly right. You know, so that part of it is a visual and it's part of the ski area East no If you want if you want to call it just keep it keep it consistent. It's fine Again just as a reference since Don's in the room nearly asleep Waiting for his 31. That was a comment they made, I think. It's still in right now. Okay, I'm good. Next. Oh, this is the whole thing that Don brought up on point number 10. that's not a good idea. But I think it's not a good idea. It's not a good idea. It's not a good idea. It's not a good idea. It's not a good idea. It's not a good idea. It's not a good idea. It's not a good idea. It's not a good idea. It's not a good idea. It's not a good idea. It's not a good idea. It's still. It's in. No, the one down there is. Yeah, he's gone, right? Now it's not updated up. I didn't do any reference. We didn't do anything. It's still in there. Okay, Don, tell us what have control over the environment. It was in your letter. Um, the F E I S. Don't know number 10. Further down. There you are. We can't update a dot. But we can reference. Yeah, we can reference. We can't update. We can't update. We can't adopt it. Letter E the snow mask area. Federal E I S mitigation and monitoring plan. And I think that the Scheria Wildlife Enhancement Enhancment Management Plan is also a federal document. I can't remember that one exactly. Let's assume it is. Yeah. That those two, I think the two creeks in Pine's Wildlife Enhancement Plan was something that was part of ordinance nine and should stay in there and you can require that to be updated to do that. But I'm about saying updated, adopt and reference the following reports as may be allowed. So that will take that. I'll do it. Make it clear we can't update that one. We can't adopt that one. It was. But we sure is how to reference it. Make it clear. We can't update that one. We can't adopt that one. It was. And sure is how it can reference it. We'll change it to and or. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And or update and slash or. That way it's yeah. And either or all the way to condition. Yeah, I mean, you make it Leslie. I mean, the whole the the EIS report specifically talks about the implications of the Ghanala and the El Camp Restaurant and all of those kinds of areas. So referencing it is appropriate, but to have it updated and required to be updated was already. No, this doesn't require it. It's a good shout. So I think we've got it. We can't. Thanks, Doc. How many hours have you been around here for the board or? Didn't pay, right? Moving on. Are we on to 127? That's a short one. Yep, 128. Appendus, chapter 6. I know changes. Okay. Page 131. Oh, I love it, John. You're taking right on ahead there. Hold up then. No, go for it. No, yeah. John gave us some language here. Rain and snow. Yeah, it was actually, actually I got to compliment Jason Haber for putting this together because it was one of the things I asked him. It's just a question in the red line area. Hang on one second, I gotta do my fancy saving so we don't lose this stuff. I know Jason was still in the appendix stuff. Okay, so now we're on almost page number seven rain and snow. Yeah, right there. Um, okay, just go down just a little bit more please. Okay, where says average total rainfall and average annual snowfall. I'd like to know where that's measured at because there's a big difference between if it was found if that was found at the base versus the summit because it looks 177 inches doesn't look like very much if they measured that at the top of the burn it would probably be double that. Well we would assume that it was. Let's measure it wherever the heck it is we get the most. That would be good too. Don. That's what we do. What next to the road where the plow goes by? Yeah. Do we have the site? Data collected by Noah. Yeah if you could just find out where station you might find and make a note of that so that people know that it's at the bottom of the mountain instead of top. I'm sure that's where it was. Well, it's the NOAA, wherever NOAA is measuring side is. That's what it says it is. You just want us to general reference where it is. You just want us to general reference. General reference. Right. Make it up. John Baker's measurements. Yeah, we're finding more accurate. You know, I'm OK with the top of the mountain too. You're worth the heart. Let's just take up on the burn. OK, hold on. Are we done with the appendix? I think so. Actually, there's more. OK, more than that's the appendix. Actually, there's more. Okay, not the last little pellets. Yeah, on page one thirty five. This is still in the. Still in the. What an enormous appendix. This is going to be removed. Only by a surgeon. And. Page six. One thirty five. Um, talks about habitat loss in migration corridors. I think it's I don't think elk migrate in transition. Talks about habitat loss in migration corridors. I think it's, I don't think elk migrate in transition. Well, we've got elk migration corridors all over the place. Yeah, the state has a different transition. Transition or not. The conditions are another thing. Okay, no mind, forget that. Everyone on 136 and John, you probably know the answer to this. On, there's no lines, but October 30th date is that right or is it 20th? I think it's correct. October 30th the closure for I thought it was a 20th. The which trail? The rim trail north above Forest Ranch. I think it's a 20th. I thought it was a 20th. Okay well I'll tell you what, why didn't somebody find out? It seems like a right date. Go check out the sign. Check that one. No, don't check out the sign. The sign may be older than the current sign. Actually it's been scratched out. Good. Oh, next one. We've had an extra 10 days of biking this year. Moving on. Chapter 7. Okay, and just again for your reference, the built environment housing, transportation are all very interconnected chapters. So. Okay, chapter 7, page 2. I laughed on page 28 or on line 28. John, go ahead. Line 86. I'm going to put it further, and I am. Also that we should include e-snomass creek in there. What? The divide influence area. The divide influence area doesn't include e-snnow mass creek in there. Why? The divide influence area. The divide influence area doesn't include e-snow mass creek. I didn't see it does. No, it does. Not some clear divide, but the divide why live does. Yeah, isn't that what that's referring to? To the far west end of snow mass village, is this in the upper brush creek and e-snow mass creek dirt drainage area? Well, it's really not the eesnomas creek drainage area. There happens to be a ditch diverting water. But the water comes in at eesnomas creek. Right. But as a ditch, it's not a drainage. Right. These are specific influence areas. These aren't what you'd like it to be. That's what they are. Well, and then there's a map to build with us. Can you want to check to see if e-snoom has creaks in that divide influence area? That's it. If it's not fine. If it can't be accessed, e-snoom has creak can't be accessed on town roads. I can tell you that. Right. It is accessed on town road. What's the end? It is accessed on town road. Well, it ends. You know, I just don't want to eliminate it. Okay. 140? Actually, Markey. You have one. Markey wants to go back, right? No, never mind. It's just a... Okay. On a survival coming on 28. We need lots of the comments, Markey. Huh? Well, I made your expansion this underway at Bayesville. Okay. There you go. Sorry, guys. Okay. On page 140, red line 128 through 131, talking about the public use facility northwest of the town park. Is that by zoning or is that a deed restriction or is that by ownership that's something we had used map for the horse ranch p.u.d. okay so that's actually caught the school site yeah so would that be more properly labeled overlaying zoning or doing no okay public facilities is what's right. Page one four is about by one 20 now. Okay. Okay. Well, that information booths and the major vehicle intercept park facilities are located. Right. Right. But then the second. In the vicinity of Northwest of the town part, there is a public facility use site. That's a language parallels. Yeah. Okay. So it's called approval. Okay. Yeah. So it's called approval. Okay. Next page. Um, line 162 on page 140. Yes. Should we not include the town hall as part of the town core in the snowmiss center? Was that? We're not in the center. Well, but some of the... These are nodes. These are nodes. I don't see a town hall as part of a node. It's an area. The town hall is within the snowmess center node, would I think it was saying was snowmass center including grocery store guests, they should post office. And all these functions maybe should have the town hall. That would be okay. That's probably should. Okay, okay. Then you need to put snowmass center area because we are not in the snowmass center. You could, what is is it platted far away west three dash yeah nobody remembers nobody figured that that is. Yeah I did okay but as long as it's but it clearly isn't in the snowman setter as we have come to know the center. It was at the time this was. We got that. I started. Good. So you have it in there. OK. Next page. Next page. 143. Okay. Page 144. 145. I'm actually 144 lines. 291. 145. I'm actually 144 lines 291. 144. What was that? 291. Enhancement of the pond, brush creek, and adjacent wetlands, and affordable housing. Okay, now mine, that's right. 145. 146. Yeah, um, line 380. To children in adolescence. The feature is a special attention to beginning to features attractive to children, young adults. I don't know if this is a good term instead of adolescence. Well, that's adolescence is that group between children and young adults. And 18. Yeah, the line goes. It could also be 181 right in the middle starts with specializations. It should be given to feature if you don't like adolescence. Adolescence is fine. I'm happy with it. Why don't you use the other end of the spectrum of aging? Old farts? We don't need special attention. Oh, I thought we'd do that. Well, I think we ought to put something as compliant in what's happening with senior housing in this area. We're not adding anything on the floor. Quick, let's go. We actually, we did in housing. There is something in the house. But you need to have a bath for two elderly. It's caught strolling them all. Watch your body hang around. Show them what it is. Wheelchair racer, then. We got the church. Yeah. Next. Next, are we on? 47. Yeah. 148. 149. 150. Margie. I'm all the way back. I'm online 436 where we have incentivized. 436. The line is you want special events for the way back. I'm online 436 where we have incentivized 436. Why did she want special events? First of all, page 147 or page 10 and 47. Yeah, when we use the word incentivize and encourage, do we have any discussion at all in this document? What incentivize means? There and there. It's like 403 and it's like 436. All in this document what incentivize means there and there. It's on 403 and it's like 436. Some of the whole idea was not to want to say what it is. No, I don't have 454 I think. You don't page 11. I'm on page 10. 147 and it's several places. Which 20, 421. I can't believe resident just CPA. The whole idea though was not to define it here, but to define it as we create legislation that deals with it. Okay. Don't know how to incentivize it yet. I'll give you a buck. So you have it incentivized? Yeah. Okay. The dough. Moving on. 149. 151. Done. Mine 614. Given the hillside, shouldn be mountainside location of the search. Given the hillside location of West Village. It's a mountain. Yeah. Sounds better. Yeah. I think we changed it. I'm on my 614 is. That's page 14 of chapter 7. What line John? It is line 614. 614. That's page 14 of chapter seven. What, what line John? It is line 614. Second paragraph is transportation mode priority. Second paragraph is transportation mode priority. One, two, three. Your policies. What's the last page? Wow, how come your line numbers are different? Well, you've got the same line numbers I've got. I have no idea. Well, how come yours are different? We're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, I have no idea. Come here is different. Every time she comes. Yeah, I make it bumps. There you are. You need to be patient. Second patient. Is Jeff just. Are we in policies yet? No, not the policies. We're on the page before policies, Leslie. We're under transportation mode priorities. OK. Perfect. OK, yeah. Line 556. Right there. You can open the mountain side location. Sounds better. Thank you. And then the last sentence of that, we don't have Phil's here. Yeah, the last sentence should say small snowmass village. Yeah, hi. You missed it. They're mountains. should say small snowmass village. Yeah, hi. Mr. Thermal. Yeah, that's one that got there. There's no. And then on 624, 567 due to snowmass village is alpine climate. What are you using for numbers? That's still good. You've got to talk in a different dialect when you use the phone numbers. That's still the same. You've got to talk in a different dialect when you use the other numbers. I know. Dude, it's snowman villages. Use your Latin. I'm trying to help her. Your Latin, your Asian text. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. I changed that sentence to do to the Alpine climate of snowman-ass village. Oh, that's good. And do that., that's good. That's awfully stupid. Snowman's village is. Yeah, that's the good word. Do the Alpine climate of snowman's village. Right. OK, then a question. Is the water feature through Benedict Carte really called Benedict Creek on our page 152 line 647? Is it really called Benedict Creek. On R.P. 152 line 647. Is it really called Benedict Creek? Oh, that's, I think, a previous mayor referred to it. No, it's Benedict. I didn't know if the water went through there. It's a creek. Yeah, we call it Benedict Creek. Okay, well that's fine. Why not? Never mind, right? Why not? Fretz needed a creek Okay, well that's fine. Why not? Never mind, actually. Right. Why not? Fred's needed a creek named after him. That's cool. He's got a creek now. Now he has. Okay, 153. Got to get the stop. He dropped it. 154. Yes. Done. Okay. This is policies. The town of Snowmass Village Shell and it reads off of one of the things that's missing for me is the free raft of shuttles. I think that needs to be part of our policy. But that's not the control of the land. It's not our decision. We can't maintain the free raft of shuttle. That's true. This is the town of Snowmass Village Shell. Well, we have our own shuttle just free. We shall encourage that. We can do. Let's encourage it. I like John's idea. Shall encourage and promote and free transportation. They'll stick it in between. Yeah. So it's a separate statement. Yeah. Right. Encourage and promote free transportation within the upper valley. Public transportation between snow mass village and asthma. The United States was all opened down the valley personally. Right. We got to start to take the baby stuff. So. Good luck. You go to the LTC next to me. I'm sorry. Wow. You know, next every time it's going to be a load. I think we're all going to show on. Yep. We're not going to be a load. I think we're all going to show on Yep, we're not going to go Yeah, one of the two. Yeah, or natural. That'd be more productive. Okay moving on page one I'll receive that Again, just a question when they don't mention dates and this do we assume That this is adopted that as of the date or the date it was written? Because there's something adopted on the date you adopted, but some of the information has only been there from last two years. Mm-hmm. Okay, where are we now? Which after eight? I don't know. You doing okay? I don't know. I'm getting over to eight. Yeah? Okay. Transportation. What was that? Yeah, Billy's Russian is You doing okay? Yeah, Billy's Russian is Page two You got through this so many times. page four. page five. page five is caddy one. what? one. two. okay appendix. chapter eight. let's wait for less time to do. That's a very factual comment. Was that whole parking? Is that what we did? I got something on the second page under roadways system. Roadways system. on that first paragraph. The last sentence, the series of coldest act serving residents from other hoods intersect with brush creek mode and owl creek road. What? The series of coldest acts serving residents. Because we have a series of coldest act roads that intersect with owl creek as well. Not just brush Creek. But isn't it talking? It's talking about the roadway system. And it's. True, but it's talking about the brush Creek portion of the roadway system, isn't it? Yeah, but up above, then, it says, Owl Creek Road serves as an alternative arterial access. But it's talking about what road serve polda-zacks and I think it's important to recognize that we got three roads off of alchrich road that are called a zacks. That's fine. I don't think by the way that brush-creak road is a long two-lane rural cul-de-sack. Well I think that's not bad. It changes its name but it goes right out up the divide and down the other side. He's no mass creek road. Yeah it just changes its name. That's true. I mean the cul-de-sac means there's an end to it. You can't go drive your vehicle except over the curb. Yeah it implies that it ends and it doesn't. In the winter time it does well. No no now let it's flat all over. I don't care about that. I just leave it alone. Are we deleting it? Just leave it alone. Okay. Okay. Our page 164 under transit. June. Second paragraph. You're wet on transit. Under transit. Transit. Transit starts with the snowmess village shuttle. Oh yeah. John could call no buses. Buses. Eight fixed routes. That's not true anymore. Many fixed routes. Well buses needs another ask to hit the bus. Snowmiss village shuttle service currently operates 20 to 23 buses on seven inches a fixed winter routes., fix. That's probably changes every season we work on. You see that? Yeah, I like to say. Plethora of winter routes. Are you a marketing professional? We didn't ask for either. I don't know. So that is page where it's marketing that now. 65, 166. 167. I'm not sure if it's a car. I'm not sure if it's a car. I'm not sure if it's a car. I'm not sure if it's a car. I'm not sure if it's a car. I'm not sure if it's a car. I'm not sure if it's a car. I'm not sure if it's a car. I'm not sure if it's a car. I'm not sure if it's a car. I'm not sure if it's Beyond the year 2025 will not be possible build enough rows of developing of housing to meet demand I don't know how you can make that kind of that. That's take that out. Please It's a fact it's a value judgment Okay, I think so yeah plenty of space 70 16 to 18. 16 to 29 and 70. Can I ask, go ahead, please? Go ahead, please. I don't know where, at my pages, not number, and I don't have numbers on the side. It talks about the transit stop at Snowmass Center should be significantly improved by low-key new stops at the West End of Snowmass Center. What is that all about? I'm not familiar. We're in a heck of a year. Because on the bus stops by the locksmith. Yeah, okay. Okay. I read that 170 Next one 71 Chapter nine pays one Workforce housing Workforce housing Yeah, this is the presentation We 72 173 176 176. Hold on. Okay. 176 is a problem. If you look on the work on structure, this is a policy that this town of snowman's village shall require private development to provide housing for 70% of total employee generated by the development. Mitigation housing was provided for full-time employees generated by a new development and then at the discretion of the town for seasonal employees. I don't remember voting on that. Is the decision policy argued pretty long about that? Did you? And we came to a, that was our compromise. Okay, well I guess I didn't vote on it. Somewhere between 50 and 100. Well, I guess I don't mind the 70% but if you tell me we did that that's fine, but it's the second part Did we decide as a council who had to live there now? No, the full time was priority over the season. Yeah, yes We did we did yeah, okay. That was something that came to you from planning commission so what? So is it something that you debated it? Okay. I can build for full time and the season will work with. Okay. Marky? Well, way back at the time when all this was put together, the entire mitigation for full time was 60%. If we were to satisfy everyone that won the live here. And then we added a small percentage for, I think, 5% was the number that we added for potential seasonal and those who serve some ass village like schools and hospitals and stuff like that. So the 70%, then I see another 10% on top of that. That's 80% or am I not reading that? Where is the 10% on top of that extra time? Additional 10% is added to the mitigation rail ratio in response to forecast changes. What? Where are you? I'm up and, oh, OK, that could go on the 60%. Goes on the, yeah. Right. So you get the 70%. It goes on the, yeah. Right. So you get the same. Well, if you want to put what exactly what we found, it was 5%. The finding was 5%, not 10%. You changed that. We changed that without any, but we didn't have any rational nexus to do that. Well, you might recall within planning commission, they said, it looks like 60. And then roughly 5% kind of covers that additional percentage. So there was science in the six. So we've got to get up to five. Right. We bumped it 10 versus five. We might want to delete work on structure too. What does that mean? Oh, that's just that was the note. The note. Because the note was not structured. Sorry, like Asian. Yeah. Asian versus Latin. And those were the notes that Don was trying to tell us last week were going to be pushing. You're pushing no development is what you're doing. That's what developers keep telling us. Like, we need years. I remember when we had the 100%? Yeah, yeah. Oh, look at it. It's just Billy's campaign. Next. I pay you one now. 177. Yeah, okay. Index. I have nothing in the index. Oh, I can have nice. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I did it. Oh, we already flipped that page. Yeah. Under multi-family housing after that. Other current letter G. We'll keep on going. Yeah, right there. Other current and future providers. I think we need that aspen School District to that list. Yeah, now. Correct. Yeah. It's the only one I could think of that might pop in, but. And that's 15 units. Yes, 15 units. 24 bedrooms. Okay. Six beds. That's it. Partition of pantry. 15 units 24 bedrooms That's it Next We keep cooking the over here. Moving right along. Okay. I can argue with tab chapter 10. God knows what that means. Okay. I have one on page two. So page one, eighty three, two of that. Under line one, you have a bullet point. I think we need to add a bullet point to avoid real estate sales offices on ground floors. Wait. Develop a joint retail management strategy. That's the one you're talking about. Yep. Just to secure a mix of tennis. It talks about how we want to have retail at the nodes or on the malls. Yeah, right. at the nodes or in the malls. Right. I think we should throw out the suggestion that we should avoid having or try to minimize real estate sales offices on the ground floor. What about doctors offices? What about other, the point is I think what you're trying to say is it should be non-retail- Non-Sales Tax Generating. Yeah. Okay. Andale tax generating. Yeah. OK. And that's fine. I think you need to say avoid, because if you eliminated here, we might in the code, but you don't want to mend this plan again. So you don't want to make that kind of a change? Well, I think we might try to avoid or something, but I'm not sure you need to, because we're going to, when we talk about it later on in the stuff that you can amend all of I don't know if the marketing is at the right place or would that be in planning? What's that? The responsible department. Yeah, I agree with you, Reed. Maybe it should go to planning. I'm not going to do that one. And the priority should go to immediate because we currently have a problem. Yeah. We'll see it's towards our ongoing. Okay. Let's make sure. Let's make sure. Planning and then one year. Is that ongoing? No, we can't do that. I don't want to be a good way to put it. But did we get the avoid? Do we want to do an avoid? Someone was talking about the Rammel and the non-sales tax. Generally think that's a mistake to put it here. I think it's a mistake. What if we encourage sales tax producing rather than avoiding if we encourage a permanent kind of thing, encourage sales tax producing retail on the affirmative. There you go. And if we could get like a hot shop or something that would generate sales tax generate a lot of money. He surprised the town for the town. For the town. Say it'll touch. OK, hard to monitor is the problem. That's by the way, the number one issue is cast right now. Well, this is a big issue, by the way, throughout the state. But we're not going to spend it tonight. Well, we're not talking about that. OK, and then number six, Leslie Challenge, existing partners Anderson ranch has been music festival Spirit up my line John Again What is the ask the music festival? They what it is I don't think it's called the ask me music is it is Yes, okay, hey, I'm out. That's all I'm just that was the only thing I was challenging Was this been bailing? John dressing with MMA that what they know I guess you could challenge them. I think you want to encourage them Online number three existing partners to expand their programs and events I guess you could challenge them. I think you'd want to encourage them. I'm right. Online number three. Current existing partners to expand the program's events. It says maintain the existing location of ski lift sales. I haven't seen too many showrooms for lifts. They might want to come here and buy that. They probably go to Palm. You can do it in your industry. Oh, okay. Oh, tickets. Oh, okay. I think we've actually precluded the removal. You can't sell off the old lifts. No, no, no. Ticket sales. I think that when we did base village, we said, you had to maintain the office at the mall. We actually mandated it. Because we were scared to death, that's exactly what they were going to do. They closed the pavilion, moved all the ticket sales down to base village, and then you kissed the mall goodbye. Good morning, anyhow. Any other leave there? Okay. I'm going to reserve comment on some of these other ones. Good. Done. No, page six. Good work. Six last one. Housing. Yeah, I want to truck my house. Big. Housing. What are we doing here? We also have a question in the town managers report related to line our item number two About the housing mitigation of 65% I thought we But this is a synopsis No, this is an action plan. No, this is an action. So this is an action plan. I'm sorry. I beg you that's a good catch Can we add? You know, we everybody kind of laughs about this, but we never deal with senior housing at all. And there's a pretty significant work group in Pitkin County working on senior housing options for our community. Would you like to? How could we have something like partnership We should have a partnership to that. I think we should. Seven. Explore a partnership with the senior housing alliance in Picking County to create CCRC, to create a CCRC for our community. Explore a partnership with Hicken County junk work on the language. CCRC to explore the creation of a CCRC. Continuing care retirement community. Arnie's recrues are you talking about senior seniors? Watch out there's a couple of us. What are you careful? I'm sorry. Explore. I say that in jest. It's work's better with. But we're laughing at you now. Yeah, I know. We got it. Got it? OK. You want to, before you explore, do you want to evaluate the need? There's a need. It's all right. Is that what's going on? It's not mass-mover. It includes all the pet peepee. You have a lot of seniors asking for what it's going on? Why? You have a lot of seniors asking for it. Yeah. Where were were were were. Well, doesn't have to be in the same as village, which is needed in pet peepee can. Is it specifically looking for focus dedicated sites or... Yeah, there's a site and I do a post. We like the scene using redstone and snowman has red light because there's something that I have to... Okay. Oh, there's a waiting list at Wiccom Terrace that will go for over 10 years already. Okay. That's it. Are you done? We're done. We're done. We're done. Okay, you can do it. Done. You can get to it. Jump up, celebrate a little bit. No, let's get finished the rest right now. We're going to get out of here. Stay in the house. Yeah, could we go to the emergency resolution? Yes. Arnie, what emergency resolution? This is the one for you. Sorry, you're late. We're here. I have what emergency resolution? This is the one for you. Sorry, you're late. We're here. We have an emergency resolution. We do? Yeah. Is there an emergency? Yes. Just real quick, Arnie, we discovered today and going through the condominium documents for Sinclair Meadows that the town council needed to approve via a resolution, the restriction for that project. And hoping to have families move in there shortly. So that was something. Sam, is it way down to prove it? People can't move in. People can't move in. It's your fault. I don't know if that's the truth, but we can find the developer and breach of the restricted housing agreement anyway. Good. It's not for that. It's not one. It's not one of the big four. Ah, well. I've already researched that. Not. This address here, go forth. As you heard from Scott Stemman today on behalf of the related WestPath as part of their presentation of the condominium map and condominium declaration for Sinclair Meadows, lot 18 condominiums which are de-restricted. One of the restrictions in the restricted housing agreement, I shouldn't say restriction is not't that right? Covenants is that on the section 1.5, prior to the sale of the restricted housing, developers shall cause to be executed and recorded in the real property records of Picken County, Colorado, a quote declaration of restricted covenants, unquote. It gives such restricted housing unit the form and substance of the declaration of restricted covenants shall be approved by the time council by resolution. Prior to recording in such a covenant shall at a minimum set forth the ownership qualifications for a purchaser of such restricted housing unit and restrictions on the resale of the restricted housing. Did you review these? Yes, these are the exact ones we use on rodeo place and move. Second. Call the question. All those in favor? Is there any public comment? Thank you. Here comes the public comment. Too late. Too late. You can go home. You're stuck in the. You're not on the approval. Almost. You don't say anything. Yeah. Now what's the public would like to comment comment and I just wanted to I just wanted to read one little section in here that you should Make a finding about before you do this and that is for the town cut. This is in Resolution it's the third fourth whereas town council finds it an emergency exist in that without town Council approval occupancy of the nearly completed units that will be delayed causing citizens of the town as the Perspective residents of the units on new hardship So if you could find a motion to find that no, just I just Record that you find that by motion. This one appointed. Absolutely. Yeah, and we find that that's true Okay, so the motion was made by I'm a seconded by John Thank you. Any further discussion? Any from the public? All those in favor of resolution 32, seconded by the saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. Good. Time for back to work. However, that does not happen. This is one in the ballgame, Scott. We could have got that. Yeah. Bad. Down manager report. Yep. Only real question. We wanted to bring this back to you. And Joe coffee is back. But you had authorized earlier. And is it our budget to do a land inventory to identify sites in the town that may be suitable for housing. We've got the money budgeted, although I wanted to hold off on this until we finish the budget. We've done that and I just want to ask, do you want to do it? Joe would still recommend we move forward. It's up to 20,500. 300. I'm behind. Why do we need to pay somebody $20,000 to find all the information that we have somewhere upstairs? It would be also digging around at the county using a GIS system and looking at topography to evaluate the suitability of sites. So take a look at what you saw from design workshop. They would be looking at, say, the site, the draw site, the evaluated that in terms of topography and the suitability and access. And so they would be doing something similar to that at a more basic level around the town. Can we hold off to next year? Can we have our current staff and their current capacities use their current common sense and save $20,000 and get us a general idea rather than a glorified report that tells me exactly what I could probably go out and do in about a day and a half? I think that's what was envisioned when we first asked for this. We didn't expect to see topographic maps and say, oh, this is 31% low, and that's 29. Where's the vacant lot? Well, again, we've got two planners right now that are qualified to have the skillset to do that. And Russ, excuse me for a moment, I'm not in any regards planner, and I could go out and do that. So I guess my direction if I have the support of the council is find some people on our current staff that can figure this out one way or another without spending a whole lot of money. Could you give me any budget for it? No, I don't think you need it. I can't. I don't have any available resources. I don't have any available resources. Nobody's going to be building anything for a while. We don't have a problem. I just... Well, I think there are parcels that, you know, we don't see daily, specifically up behind I don't see daily, specifically up behind Aspen Village. There's a parcel we have back there. It was given to us for housing, and we don't really know what it sits on or. Aspen Village. Uh-huh. So I think there are a number of parcels that Russ is looking for that we need to spend some money. I'd be willing to split the baby and do $10,000. We annex Aspen Village. Oh, which in Wildcat? Wildcat. Is that part of the town of Snowmass Village? Yeah. Do you see the stuff that we do? No, Wildcat. Is that I know. We got a piece of land down there. It's close. It's in New York. No, I mean, it's in the town, but it's close to Aspen Village is what I mean. It's the Aspen Village. It is. That's the best description that you can put. It's probably the most northeast corner of the town of Snowmass Village. Well, I don't know if we really need to spend any money or even do this work this year. I can't see us looking for town housing. As part of the inventory, we're all looking for it just to know what we had. Yeah, you acknowledge this as a high priority. I think it is important to get this information because I think then we'll know in the future what we have to work with. But to tell me you don't have any resources isn't really the answer I'm looking for at this point in our budget situation. If it means going to your chief of police and asking some of the police who are playing solitaire while they wait for a call to come in or going to the bus depot or and asking those folks, I mean let's get creative about finding this information. I don't, I am not going to sit here and say we don't have the resources. We have a lot of people that have downtime certain times of the year, especially now, that could be doing this for not much money. All I can say is I've done this type of project before and could do it for less, but again, there's a tool using GIS and it's potentially a lot less that allows you to do it efficiently, effectively. And that would be a resource we don't have internally that allows you to do this relatively quickly. What is that cost? That's $20,000. Well, it may not buy the legal and looking at property records and composing a comprehensive study. But, do you want me to come back? I'm sorry. I'm not buying it, Russ. I'm just gonna hold you to this one. Property records are public. That shouldn't cost any money to search through those. Just telling you, I don't have a qualified resource that has an enormous amount of time to do this right now. Nobody around here can take the day and go down to the county and look through their stuff. That they don't already know. And we already know. I think, right? And it is just stuff we don't already. I mean, I agree, Billy, for example, the parcel that Billy suggested, I didn't even know was in the building. It's somebody else's kid besides Billy. And I think that there are parcels like this and it's not something as quite as easy as re-intimates to go find. I mean, there's a lot of research and a lot of investigation. When I go down to the county and I've got there's a lot of things you've got to go point to point to find. It's not quite as easy as just saying go look and there it is. I think we have to spend the money, I think we have to do the work, maybe not to the extent of getting everything in, but for years since P. Taji was here, we've been saying we need to find out what we own. What we do, you're right. We have done certain things, but now it is a downtime, but I don't think we have the staff resources to do it so that we can keep it recorded. So we know what it is in five years from now. Instead of just someone who has been on the piece of paper has written it down and says, well, I think we own this. I think we have spent the money and we have spent the time. I don't think we have the skills to do it. I think we have to hire an outside group. We have the skills to do it. It's just the day. They don't have the time. I mean, because you can put people on it and they'll end up coming to me and I'll say, okay, I'll go spend the day searching almost every piece to make sure the title or I'm going to say get a title commitment. That's the fastest way. And you'll pay for that. And you'll pay for that. So to not say we don't have the skill, it's probably not accurate, but if you have... Well, other than that. Like I said, I think we got two good resources that could do something like this. So again, if you gave me a number, I could work to that number. I'd say let's do 10,000. I could do 10. John Wilkinson. I think we need to do the real deal and get the inventory done, but I don't think this is the year to do it. I'd rather spend the money necessary to get it done, but I don't want to spend anything this year, any more than what we already have. I don't see a real pushing need to get this inventory at this point. It's going to be sometime before we start looking at more development and we already know kind of the areas where we could potentially be outside being one of them to do the global look in our community of where these spots might be. I think we could delay this for a year or two. I don't see a real pricing. What would happen if we delay about six months into the next fiscal year and see where we are? And if our numbers are far better than what we budgeted, let's put it back on the agenda. I agree with reading one sense. I'd hate to be letting people go if we're in half of a position or if you're a third of a position, because we're doing this kind of work. Yeah, I think we just revisit this. You want to do it in the May time frame as part of our 2000 projects. 11, but I just, you identified it as important. We talked about the number and we got the resources and we got the money and I just wanted to ask. Now, before we had to eliminate eight and a half positions. So going along with the read, let's put this in hold and look at it again in the spring. I don't mind putting the spending on hold, but I think there's some parcels that we have staff can tell us even if it's we think we own this. Not going to do a title search, but there's a piece of property. No, none of the rest of us knew. We just found out about it and cost a dime. I'm sure that there is time for somebody up in the community development office to take a half a day, put their thinking cap on, at least gather some of this information. I think we own. And then later, please. These are potential sites. Let's call them potential sites. We don't get the money. We don't spend the money and find out. Arnie, that's doable. We have a list of candidates, actually, that are in it. Good. We have an analyzed it or a vet it. No. We can begin to do that. Yeah. That's a favorite. I wanted to be totally creative. You could put a bounty on that information. We don't want to spend any money. Hey, I already found it on Gizmo in the Picking County website. Look up property. So we will begin to identify opportunities but we'll put this on hold until the next budget cycle. Yep. Okay. Good idea. Oh, ma'am. See how the season is. Yes. See how bad it's got. Yeah, ma'am. I think the odds on rushing your managers report doesn't seem to be. We're trying to slot basically a lot of things in now. John, I'll be back with you on the demolition issue. We've got a variety of housing items that are going to be in front of you. But there admittedly was a backlog of housing issues that we're going to have in front of you. Reed, do we have, we had an update a week or two ago from related point of view as far as where they were with getting all of their things on their checklist on. And I just wondered how far along they were in the opinion of the town staff. On the physical side, I mean there's two elements of it, and maybe two big projects. One is Sinclair and one is Viceroy. Position where taking with Viceroy is that they need to be significantly complete with Sinclair. And they are making good progress on the physical elements. There's still outstanding issues and you may be getting calls. I've certainly gotten calls from prospective owners there. One major issue that we are addressing is certainly the Convenium Docs. As it relates to the vice Roy, again, I think they've made good progress on the physical things, probably the most significant things are the bills. And there's two bills. The bills. What does do, what is owed? Oh, in terms of various things. The two-ass bill. The four-base village. And there's two issues that were continuing to debate. I think one is getting resolved, but I would like to bounce it off of you. And that is the occupancy fee for the garage. The way the code is written, it leaves a little room for interpretation. But Chris and Mark Kittle have reviewed it, come up with a number of 174,267, that includes the transportation facility. And one of the things that Chris said is both the town owned this facility, I would back this out. And I kind of took the position while they haven't conveyed it to us, we don't have the necessary easements. So let's take it all now. And one thing I did want to bounce off you if when that documentation does come through and the easement is executed and we have operation, would you be amenable to rebating it's about 20,000 of that 174 back to them. Okay. If that's what we have, that's what we would do on our own. I think we should do that. So that's that's just the area for the trans-jong facility. That goes to the metro district, not related Westpac. That's great. Same opinion. The other issue, which is quite frankly, it's a little bit more problematic, and it's taken quite a bit of research in, as been a major point of discussion, is after 2004, there were still a number of things that had to be reviewed, engineering plans for snow melt, wood bridge. And they weren't necessarily plans that were finalized prior to 2004. They were details and plans and projects that had to be reviewed after the approval. Hunt has totaled that up, and this was not part of the numbers I gave you in July, but was a group of bills that he didn't have a place when he first began looking at this in 2005. There was not a place to bill it. Their GID-related bills and potential bills that GID might pay for, but they total about $176,000. Some of it is about $13,249 for road and bridge. Basically the roundabout, the engineering reviews of the bridge, and about 138,000 are related to various design issues, review of Laura Carageway and the snow melt system. So those are bills that I've put on the table. We've gone through them. They appear to be legitimate bills. However, they were really not brought forward until the last couple of months. And it's taken a little while to scrutinize them. Make sure they're legitimate. I believe they are legitimate bills where the town did incur a cost. Hunt was basically put these off to the side because there was not a place to charge them and was told to do that previous direction, previous town manager. Again, may have been legitimate direction at that time since there wasn't a place to charge it. But nonetheless, it's about 176,000 right now. I've put it in the equation of bills they owe, but it's something they've asked that whether it's something that should be an issue now as it relates to vice-roy or should be potentially a bill that is addressed in the future for the next developer or the next phase. Zero in the future. It is developer or the next phase. Zero in the future. It is to be dealt with now. How old are those bills? Five years? They range. They go from 2005 to 2007. These were bills for a different developer at the time. This was nothing that related. They were in the project. They bought. The project they bought. And so they bought the bills. They didn't, you know, we didn't tell them until a month ago, but these were due. I hate giving somebody a bill that the last moment say, oh, by the way, these are five year old bills that you need to pay now. Well, had we told them when we set them with all these numbers, guys, I don't think it would be a problem But I just have a hard time when someone's gonna say oh We gave you these numbers. This is all the understanding now we're gonna add more to it So so I think it's you know holds our credibility up a little bit to just some screw-dee when we if you know if in my personal life if I news I If, you know, if, if, if my personal life, if I am news, I, oh, somebody, here's a bill. And I, you know, need to give you this thing. I can't wait five years. Well, you can't wait five years, but if in fact, you have a bill that is due and you give it to somebody, even though it's later than you'd like to have given it, it still will do bill. Now, the only thing I can sympathize is they can't get the vice-order open until they pay the bill. And they're saying, well, wait a minute, that doesn't give us enough time to review the bill to see how legitimate it is. I don't have a problem with saying, okay, put the $166,000 in escrow. Because we don't trust that you're going to be here tomorrow and have $166,000. That's my concern. $166,000. That's my concern. Are you suggesting that we should absorb that $166,000 cost to the tech spears of snow mass village? And that's basically what's gonna happen if we don't ask them to pay that bills that we have spent in our town for their development. Well, I would say that if anything, it would be more fair to say the future development should be paying this. But to say today that before you open that hotel, we're adding another 176,000 onto the bill that we all agree. Which is two months ago was the right number. Now we're adding more. That just doesn't seem right. We have to do what is responsible though. And the responsible thing is to put out the the truth which is these bills that exist and If they'd like to pay them that would really help them getting there hotel open Personal level somebody gave me a bill and it was five years old What would you do I wouldn't pay it. Well, I would not pay it, but you may end up having to pay it. The problem is that we're dealing here with an entity that we know has very, very, very significant solvency problems. I don't mind saying, okay, we're not going to take the money. We'll argue over, is this right and is that right and is that right? And it's not fair, and I agree with you, Billy. It's not fair to put them under the gun and say, okay, you have what is it? 38 days to review this stuff. You have three weeks. Okay, I agree with that. But I don't agree with, okay, you can open your hotel and we're going to go whistle sometime in the future. No, come up with a box. Put it in the ass, bro. We'll hold it. You'll hold it. Nobody will get it. We'll argue over what's right and what's wrong. But at least the money will be there. John. Question for John Dresser. Is there any sort of statute of limitations on when these bills can be presented and or is there any limitation on when we can collect off of them. That'd be six years. So we're within that time frame. Yeah. So I think we have a- I think that's convenient. Yeah, I think we have an obligation to pursue it. I'm with Arnie the Coder. Or state statute. State statute. OK, open account. OK, well, I think we need to pursue that. And I'm with Arnie on allowing them a time to review, but maybe make it subject to the CO, because they're going to be looking for a TCO, is that correct? Yeah, they're not going to be getting the CO. So then make it tied to the CO. I put the money in the S-gro, right? Yeah, I put the money in the S-gro, do upon final review at Certificative Occupancy. do upon final review at Certificative Occupancy. What is the certificate of Occupancy? It's requested. It's basically what Thanksgiving? No, they'll be asking for a TCO as soon as they're physically ready. Okay. And there's still a number of items. I believe they'll be successful with those physical items, but they're looking at really opening for Thanksgiving. Okay, but are we talking about the CEO coming, you know, three days after Thanksgiving, or are we talking a month or two later? So give them some time. They have a long time to go to the CEO. Oh, CEO. Typically what I see is a CEO doesn't come until the spring. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. I don't mind tying it to the CEO. As long as we get the money before they open, I think we've got it. But just recognize that my experience with developers, as soon as they're in the front door, they got what they want. They got the occupancy. And the CEO means very little. Well, if they put the money in, that's the key. Okay. Is that, yeah, the physical impediments device where they have to get the CO shirt on, seen clear? They do. So, yeah, all that's very upset now. One other they do also need, and I don't think they haven't dispute about this, but we need to see the payment is there are legal fees owed for the brush creek estates litigation and we're also pressing on that. That's reasonable. Do we tie that to the TCO then? That's right now all of these bills. Yeah. All of those. We're taking the T-bills, yes, the 100, what you just presented to us. With the legal bills, also part of that original factor? No, no. So how much of those that we're talking about? Just over 10,000. And they were expecting. The result of that, did we still have any, was it a lien that we had on that property? We have a deed of trust and in the deed data trust they agreed to pay all of our expenses. And you've had some, well, quite frankly, I sent them a demand letter on September 16th, which we've had no response to. I've provided them with copies of the statements from our attorneys. They're demanding the detailed invoice of the services, which of course they're not entitled to because they're an opposing litigant and we're certainly not going to give them copies of what our attorneys are going to do for us. They need to pay from the statement, but it's their policy to not pay from that. Signed. I saw a policy done open your demo, though. Well, there's other things that in the litigation that I'd like to talk to you about the executive session. Can we do that? That explains. Does that relate to the hotel site up at the... That's the development agreement for West Village, but the deed of trust is the security for that. Right, right. So, back here. Right, that's behind Woodbridge. The property is physically located behind Woodbridge. Okay. Avalds. Do you have enough direction? Yes. So now, moving on to... The agenda for next council meeting. Any questions, alterations, do you think? Where are we? I can't. One more three. Sorry. Oh, that's the next. Yeah, one's changing. I don't have to do a comp plan with just 11 ticket. Yeah, answer the questions. Item number six. This may or may not be on, but proposal to us with Mitchell and company who we work. That answers that. What? Gold? Yes. They really get Wi-Fi. Oh, Wi. Additional information to come, they haven't gotten back the information and Mitchell and company can't come and answer your questions until they get these two proposals back. Okay. That interesting idea to provide Wi-Fi service correct yeah we've all been waiting for it I think it's important oh we're working on this not free now oh no okay well it will be to the user just maybe say no we'll see join me when I ask for school district to discuss the town council resolution. You can take out the comp plan number 11. You can't. I'd write. Why do we need it? You don't need it. I also won't be number item number 13. What? Wait a minute. Yeah, 13s and only 11 and 13. Hold on, but I'm still at eight. What do we need here? Eight. Yeah. Eight and nine are clean up. No, that's future land use plan. Amending the plan for rodeo place to add more more units. Why do that now? And we haven't just we've decided not to build the damn thing right now The question is the design team is still on board they're mobilized and they've done all the work to Basically take care of this issue When you originally approved it lot one had 30% and it requires council approval to. Right. This is not authorizing any further construction. No. This is an entitlement process to allow structures to be in that 30% slope and then an amendment to the resolution allowing the way that resolution was written, they had to come back to council for a lot for to allow that's the small- dimensional limitations for that lot because they were in inclusion. The idea was to make sure that nobody built on it until we decided on it. That was the idea. That's why we made him come back. Now why would we want to go ahead and people was now which basically It's the camels nose under the tent that we were avoiding then and I have won oh avoided now You start giving entitlements and then pretty soon, they're pouring concrete. Is it, well, we didn't, you know. You're the owner, you're not the owner. No concrete's gonna get poured until you authorize dollars. I see no reason why we should do eight and nine now. You can bring it forward. I think it's been before the people like you said are in place. We need to be thinking sooner or later, am I going to let it now? We can discuss it. Okay. Which cap hold 11 and 12? 11 and 13. 12. Oh yeah, that's a good idea. Okay, anything else on the agenda Moving on to item 14 approval of meeting minutes for July 27th some moved You're second for July 27 second It's I was here already second to the Any additions, changes, alterations? All those in favor? Super five to say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Moving on to September 14th. So moved. Let's read. Second. Marky. Any alterations, changes? Yeah, I get a bunch of little corrections. I'm not going to I'll give a copy to the clerk, but I do have a couple of questions. Okay. I see the couple from just two from read also. Two changes done. Let's see. On page 114. Third paragraph down. It's not miss circle. It's doctor circle. Okay, Laura cornered savage. Could you check this spelling on her last name because I Misspelled somewhere else and That's in the third paragraph 14 I'm not sure how you spell for a savage, but that's correct. That's right. That's right. Then it's misspelled somewhere else. See. I'll spell check for corner savage. Page. Page one. One 15. Under note mayor Bill Boynow. It's the second paragraph after that Aspen's full district representative Juliana Woods. Okay, this is... Can you just give those corrections? Yeah. And then on page 116, as we're cornered, suffices misspelled on the, from the bottom. Yeah, that is misspelled. First two were correct. That one is incorrect. Okay. Okay. Then on page 117, six lines up from the bottom of 116. Page 117 Gilbert Sanchez with Studio B Architects. It says Studio of the Architects. I think it's Studio B. Then there's one down on the same page. There's in the middle under item six. This one sentence doesn't make any sense at all. I just, if you could take a look at it. Which sentence is it? It's in the middle. Okay, so let's start with these kind of things you can... Yeah. Start with these kind of things you can Okay, well Page 120 Six paragraph down Said the budget for two homes that calculated out to be $102 million start with Kaufman reported yeah too many employee housing homes that we build here for $102 million but sounds like North 40 Sounds like a North 40. You haven't seen Kaufman and O'Connor's new cars. Is that their red houses? Yes. These keep going. Highlands. The same mistake on the next page. Yeah, it's 100 and two million million seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I hope that's not true, but it feels good. You approved it when you voted for the budget? Yeah, you didn't see it. Any else? No, you know, I just finished a lot of titles, a lot of hammer and I will hand these over to Rhonda, but I just wanted to up the things that I thought were of note. Okay. Who would you vote for? Is there all those in favor of minutes? The amendments? Welcome to this one, I handpourb. I stand by by the stand line. Aye. Any opposed? I abstain. Okay. Moving on. Council comments, committee reports, calendars. John. One question last week you had given us a presentation on a request for it was the deed restricted housing and the storage unit attached and we directed staff to $1,000 and or settlement walk away. Can you give us a status on that? They accepted neither. They what? They did not. They did not. Did not. That's what the council table. I'm glad to welcome the mayor back to the council table. I'm glad to welcome the mayor back to the council table. Sure you are. I said it's a long car. I'm going to be like somewhat better. Hopefully non-contagent. That's what they said. Yeah. Reed? Sure. His hand on Friday. I'm still. Yeah, you know shaking something else. No, I'm marking. No. It's not here. Okay. Now. Okay, now move the talent we go into executive session, Mr. Mera, because of two items. Two items. Now negotiation. Determining positions with relative matters that may be subject to negotiations, developing strategy for negotiations, instructing negotiations, pursue it to CR CRS 24-6402 for E and Sommas Village Municipal Code, Section 2-45C5, and conferences within attorney for the purpose of receiving legal advice on specific legal questions pursuant to CRS 24-6402 for C and Sommas Village Municipal Code, Section Section 245C2. Is there a motion by Arnie, second by Marki Butler? All those in favor, sign up for that. I, any opposed? Let's move off into the small conference room. To the forest conference room. To the poorest conference room. Thank you.