I'd like to call the order of this study session for this Tuesday, July 14, 2020. We've already had the pledge from the previous meeting. Appreciate that. Before we get into the meet of the meeting, Karen's got a nice introduction here of a new director that just started here at the city. Let's go ahead and hear from Karen and see if we can get introduced to our new director here. Good evening everybody. I'd like to introduce you Brett Sherman. He's our new Director of Utilities. He has a bachelor's degree from CSU in Civil Engineering and Computer Science and is a licensed professional engineer with 20 years of experience. He's been a private consulting engineer in Durango, Colorado and the Laplata County Engineer for the Community Development Department. Most recently, he's been a the principal engineer for the city of Aurora, Colorado. His prior history includes extensive since as a project manager for construction projects of all sizes from dams to airports and as a water engineer for the last nine years. As a side profession, he's worked as a firefighter, a ski patrolman, and an EMT for many years. He is a native of Colorado and has spent most of his years in Jorango. He's the proud father of five children with two still at home. He, these are his words, his lovely wife is a brilliant educator who cares deeply for children and the four of them are raising a small dog, a test block, in a friendly community. He skied competitively, most of his life and enjoys rafting tennis and getting into the outdoors whenever possible looks like lunchtime, keep ball. He also is bilingual. He loves chocolate and barbecue if you ever get on his bad side. I found that out already. So I just going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here. I'm Brighton and looking forward to getting to know each of you as time goes by and helping In any way I can't I'm excited to be here. Thank you. Thank you Brett welcome welcome to City of Bright or we all look forward to hearing a lot from you as That is a very important position here at the city and utilities has been a hot topic we'll just say over the last couple of years. I think there's a lot of good people on staff that I've met so far. It's phenomenal looking with what we've got in the hopper and on the things projects we've got coming up and we've got a staff that's well equipped to handle it. And I think we're I think we're heading in the right direction and open the push that in a good way all the way around. Thank you. Thank you. Next, consider appointment to parks and recreation advisory board and historic preservation commission. Mr. Falcoberg, it looks like Natalie's coming on to enlighten us here. Clerk will take care of this item for you, Mayor. Yes, thank you very much, Mark. Good evening Mayor and Council. The person recreation advisory board is recommending the appointment of Robert Sheets as a work for a member of their board and the historic preservation commission is recommending the re-appointment of Joe Pinto as a member of their board. Does anybody have any questions or objections to that? Does anybody have any questions or objections to that? Anybody have questions, concerns? Say it now. I see no problems. I see no hands raised. So go ahead and bring it up for about next week. Absolutely. Thank you very much, sir. Thank you. If every item was that quick, we'd have our meetings go really fast. Next, May 2020 financial report. Mr. Thalkeberg, it doesn't sound like we have a presentation on this tonight. So Maria, ask from our finance directors, produce a very comprehensive report and would be available for any questions you might have. Anybody have any questions based on it was in the uh is in the attachments on the package. I don't know if I have any questions for Maria at this time. Council member Blackhurst. Maria is probably always expecting my questions. my questions. It seems to me and looking with the written report that's kind of good news and bad news. Looks to me like sales tax revenue is about the same as it was last year of this time. Is that correct, Maria? Do we have Maria brought on to answer this? See there. Don't see her on here. Can we bring her in? Mark, I'm sorry. I'm not seeing Maria on the call. Oh. Yeah, I don't see your attendee. Attendees group. No. I'm sure you can answer these questions, right? I would defer to our acting city manager. What's the question, sir? Well, and looking over the report, the first thing that stuck out to me was that our sales tax looks to be right at where it was last year of this time. 10 million, 786,000 this year last year was 10 million, 654 thousand. Right. But I think the number here that council should pay attention to is the expense column. And that's indicated that so far through end of May, we have expanded about $850,000 less this year that we did last year, which I think is a remarkable number, considering usually the increases in personnel costs and other items. Was that correct? Yeah, Mr. Mayor. That is correct. So that's because we began ratcheting down expense, basically our costs through personnel operating back in March. As soon as COVID hit and the economy began to collapse, we put a freeze on. And so there's been, I've been reporting out privately, not so much publicly to the council. All those efforts, no actual staff furloughs or layoffs, but freezes, there's been some early retirements and some other things benefits that have been acted upon by the staff. And that's really saved that amount of money. We saw this coming, we knew it was not going to get better anytime soon. And we're coming into your budget sessions next month with the balanced budget so we wouldn't be able to do that without your input and help in managing this in a very proactive way. Mr. Falkenberg can you hear me this is Maria. Yes. Oh, right. I'm on the phone. I'm so sorry. I was trained in like, how do I do this? Sorry. I want to go back to the sales tax question for a moment. Councilmember Blackhurst asked about the taxes. And that is all taxes that include failed use property tax, franchise tax, cigarette and telephone tax. And what is making us look so good currently compared to last year is property tax. Property taxes up almost 30% because you may recall last year was an assessment year, it was a reassessment year. And if you think about the market values in your neighborhood and how high your property taxes. taxis, everyone in the city saw those property tax bills for 2020 and we were expecting property tax to jump quite a bit in 2020 over 2019. Sales tax on its own is actually down 5% through the month of June and 5% is not too bad, especially relative to some communities we're hearing about, but we were expecting to be up 8%. So that's a Delta of really a 13% difference. And that is where Mr. Falkenberg was sharing with you some of the budget changes that were made and all departments came together and worked to put those in place to make sure that we will be okay moving forward. I guess that was my bottom line point. Maria is I didn't know that that tax number was all the taxes because there's a graph later on that shows we are we're less sales tax strictly but we're less than sales tax and we were last year of this time. So anyway, my point was excellent job to staff. Budget cutting is never fun. Budget cutting takes not only good direction from the top, but it also takes a little, giving a little bit from everybody. Everybody I know in the city, even the workers are working with less staff and certainly not any less work to do. So excellent job. Thank you. Thank you. For questions, Council Member Jordan-Elli. You're muted, sir. Shame on me. So, Marie, I wanted to echo that because when I first met with you, I had a few questions. You cleaned it all up and now I'm hard pressed to find things to question. So it's outstanding job. I feel comprehensive and I appreciate reading it. So thanks. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Any more questions? Councilmember Cushion. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Ms. Ostrom, for a great report. My question is about water usage. It says it's up 26% over 2019, which alarmed me because what I remember hearing says it's up 26% over 2019, which alarmed me because what I remember hearing is that we were at max capacity in 2019. So I feel like we should be talking about a pretty substantial conservation effort pretty quickly. Do we have any plan for how are we going to address that? Oh, that's an excellent question, count number. So, this time last year, I don't know if you could, you know, it's kind of hard to think about May of 2019 in June of 2019, because it seems like 30 years of past since the COVID pandemic started, but there was a lot of rain in May and June of last year. And water, you should was down significantly in 2019. Nobody needed to water until around July 4. In fact, there was so much rain there was flooding in certain areas, and it was problematic. We did not have that this year. If you think about how hot may was, and the fact that many, many people are home and working from home and doing projects around their yard and putting in landscaping, the water did begin to peak a lot earlier than usual this year. And what we did notice and we've already had several meetings is parks is the number one water customer in the city. And so we're working very, very closely with the director, Travis Haynes, to understand all of the parks usage. They use almost three times as much water as any single customer does. But if you think about all the lovely parks and how much water it takes to keep them green and lush. And so we're really talking about moving forward is that sustainable? And what do we do? Do we try to put in different landscaping in those parks? Maybe instead of Kentucky bluegrass, we need to be talking about some sort of tribal and seed, something that's a lot more native to Colorado and takes a lot less water. Perhaps some of those parks can have more of a mulch or drought-resistant type landscape and not quite as much grass. And so we're working through all of that with director Haynes and his team, and making sure that we will be okay for now, moving forward. And conservation. I'm feeling there's things we can do there, too. Thank you, though. Yes. It just picked you back on what council member cushions said, I think it's important to do conservation as well. When we do have rain please adjust your sprinklers accordingly. I only water every third day. More questions from council? Okay. Thank you. Thank you Maria. Thank you for putting that together. We look forward to seeing that every time as a dude. Thank you for putting that together. We look forward to seeing that every time it's a dude. Thank you. Before we move out of administrative items, I do have one more thing. Many of you on council already probably got emails from CML that there's going to be a virtual conference in August. And Cheryl just needs your RSVP if you plan to be registered a participant in that virtual conference. So if you can get with Cheryl with them the next day or two and let her know, she'd appreciate that. Thanks. Okay, moving on in this study session, I am update by aggregate regarding the Tucson pit. So Mr. Falcoberg, it sounds like we might have some presentation and some guests that update by aggregate regarding the Tucson pit. So Mr. Falcoberg, it sounds like we might have some presentation and some guests that would like to discuss this with us tonight. We do, yes, Mary and Council, we're very happy to invite back the applicants for the Tucson Pith aggregate industries. Adams County government will be hearing this application. City of Brighton will not. We're a referral agency. As you recall, they did apply once before they came before you several months ago. That application was actually denied by Adams County and they're coming back to reapply with an amended application. We've been very involved with that, working with the aggregate folks and the consultants. And we're very pleased with the changes that have been made to the application. So they will describe that to you tonight. If you can bring the aggregate team in Christine, I believe, Foster's in there. I'm not sure who else. I think Kristen has all the names. They will do a short presentation. Take any questions, comments, input as they, they're gearing up to apply at Adams County right now. They had pre-application meeting last week that we were involved in. So we get the preview to what Adams County will be seen. This is the preview. Okay. And your chance to comment if you see anything you're really excited about in a positive or negative way. They would like to know tonight's been removed from the application. I'm stealing their thunder right now just all in for time while we're being brought in Christine. Just to let you know it's a big deal that they took that out everything is going to be taken out by conveyor so which also adds some extra open space I believe they'll be talking to us about that they're talking with Travis Haynes and I about that. So I'll turn it over to Christine and your team if you want to take it away. Mr. Falconberg, it's David Foster. I think I'll start tonight. So let me, can you hear me all? Okay. Yes. Great. Well, first of all, thank you for taking the time tonight to hear this application. As Mark mentioned, this is an approval that we're seeking in the county, but it is right next door to the city. And it impacts the city significantly. So being here and making sure that we take our time to meet with you is real important. By the way, my name is David Foster. Some of you I've known for decades, and some of you I've known for for less time. And I am land use council to ag industries. There are a couple of us who are new to the team since last year when unfortunately the project was denied. And I wanted to mention two quick things, and I'm gonna turn it over to Chance Allen, who is the regional general manager for aggregate industries. First is we needed to figure out how to respond better to the questions, concerns, and issues that came about during the process last year. And I hope that after tonight's presentation, you will see that we've endeavored to make many improvements to the application that some of you saw last time. And the second issue is we needed to, and we still need to ensure that we are reaching out to as many people as possible, particularly now because we have not made our formal application as of yet, to try and take in as much information as possible, to make sure that our application is as good as shape as it possibly can be. As you can imagine, aggregate industry owns a very significant natural resource and making sure that it is mined appropriately is of utmost concern to them. And so I'm going to turn it over to Chance to present the project as it has been modified. And then we'll all be available for questions as you see. Chance. Yeah, perfect. So I want to make sure we can get the presentation up. Christine, are you able to share that at this point? I am working on getting it up. Perfect., are you able to share that at this point? I am. I'm working on getting it up. Perfect. Can everyone see that? Yeah. Great. Excellent. So, yeah, good evening. And thank you for that introduction, David. You know, we are so grateful and we're super excited to be a part of tonight's meeting. You know, we appreciate, you know, Mr. Mayor, you allowing us to be here and as well as Brighton City Council to share with you are much improved Tucson South Project, you know, more specifically since the introduction of this project, you know, we work very hard to enhance the compatibility of this project within to Adams County and to the City of Brighton. So a little bit about me, I'm Chance Allen, I'm the regional head for aggregate industries. Now I've been in the construction materials business for over 25 years. It's my life work and my passion to take big rocks and make them smaller. But more sophisticated than that, you know what I really enjoy is building communities and the communities where we live. You know, aggregates are needed in nearly all types of construction. You know, the homes that we've all been confined to, you know, the foundations, driveways, they're all built out of aggregates. The roads that get us, you know, from home to work to practice to the shopping malls and just exploring all the great places in Colorado, it all requires aggregates. And this is why I love materials business. This is why I truly love and believe in projects like the one we're discussing tonight. So that's a little bit about me. I've also got Christine Fels and I always like to introduce her. She's our aggregate industries land and environmental manager for Colorado. You know, Christine is an absolute expert in her field. She shares my passion for the industry and she's just so good at what she does that I always like to have her join me for these conversations in case she can better answer any of the technical questions that you might have at the end of the conversation. And thanks to David Foster and his team, they've been great in helping us navigate this project and really just connect better with people. So I think know, I think in our first attempt are connections with people. We went through the process, but, you know, it is clear that we're doing a much better job and making those connections and then responding by making modifications to this project. So, a little bit about aggregate industries, you know, I'm glad to be a part of the Ag family. You know, this is a company that cares about people. We care about our neighbors. We care about the environment. And most importantly, we care about doing the right thing. And that's the type of person that I am. And that's why it came to work for this company. Aggregate industries is a leading supplier of construction materials. And we've been in Colorado doing business for more than three decades. We're kind of a big company with a small business attitude. And I like that. In Adams County, we've been operating one of our flagship operations known as Platt Valley for over 30 years. And this plant, the plant site itself is located north of this project. It's up in Weld County off of Highway 6. We have about 100 employees who live in Adams County and who depend on this operation. So, you know, we are your neighbors and we're dedicated to being your great neighbors. You may not know this, but about 75% of the material that comes out of this operation is delivered directly into Adams County. You know, we've done some great projects. Todd Creek, Willow Bend, Tanglewood Creek, Cornerstone River Valley, those are all great residential projects that our material has helped build. On the commercial side, the Bromley Center, South Water, or South Adams Water Treatment and Sanitation Facility, and even on the infrastructure side, you know, Brighton Boulevard, the parking lot there at Adams County Government Building. I mean, when I say we build communities, we physically and literally build communities with this material. And I want you to know that having a local source of material matters, proximity matters. And proximity matters because having a local source significantly reduces the cost of construction. Freight is a massive component of any cost to build. Having a core like plant reduces the cost freight is a massive component of any cost to build. Having a core-like plant reduces the cost to build, for instance, a mile a road, almost 30% compared to a quarry that's located 25 miles away. And this is a big deal, right? This applies to all construction, but when it comes to road construction, road maintenance, you know, when it comes to housing and affordability and affordable economic development, having a local source of material provides the most cost-effective option. And that's why, you know, what we consider ourselves as at the Platt Valley location, and why this project, Tucson South, is so important to Adams County and hopefully to Brighton. So we'll go ahead and start with with this overview and what I want to cover tonight specific with the project are a few important changes that I hope that you'll appreciate. How the material will be transported from Tucson South project up to the plant, how we will control air quality, how much time it will take to mine the property and fully reclaim the property, what type of engagement and communication that you can expect from us throughout the life of the project? What future use of the mine property is in our commitments that you have from us but also from the city of Aurora? And finally, what aggregate industries plans to do with that South parcel? And I'm more marveled into that a little bit earlier. So we'll go to the next slide. One thing that I thought would be important is just to make sure that we understand the scope of the project. If you look at this map, you can see a square that's in the magenta color. This is where our plant facility is located. This is where the plant has been for the, you know, three decades that I spoke to earlier. This is where our plant is, where we do the washing, where we do the crushing, the sizing, the stockpiling. This is also where the commercial trucks who buy our products come into our facility, they get loaded and they leave. And that all happens right there at County Road 6 and US Highway 85. And that's not going to change. No part of that part of the operation is going to change with this project. If you look to the south or to the bottom of the screen, you'll see the property, which is referred to as Tucson South highlighted in green or outlined in green. This is where the project is and you can see it's a little over two miles to get up to the actual plant side where the commercial trucks will come in and buy the materials. So I always think it's important to understand what's happening at the site in the south, which is the mining operation only and what's going to be happening up at the plant side, up and well-dcounting. So I just want to make sure that everyone's kind of centered and that you understand the difference. Okay. So let's talk about the first and probably the most significant change. And that is the fact that we heard very loud and clear that there were a lot of concerns about traffic, about the potential truck traffic crossing highway seven. And so, you know, based on the recommendations from both, you know, the public, but also from the commissioners, we've decided to completely eliminate the use of trucks to transport material from the Tucson South project up to the plant area. We've in fact decided to use a conveyor system that would transport the material that full, you know, two plus miles up to the plant site where the processing will take place. So, you know, this is great news, right? This is, you know, completely eliminates the concern about safety and traffic crossing Highway 7. It completely eliminates the use of trucks both on, you know, It completely eliminates the use of trucks, both on, you know, across highway said, but also Tucson, Tucson Street and 168 Avenue. And it also eliminates the noise concerns and 100% of the emissions created by using commercial trucks to haul that material. So, you know, this is a big win. We're super excited about it. We're working. We have a couple of three different options for the location of the conveyor. We are not being ambiguous with that. We are working on three different plans and getting public feedback. We're getting buy-in from the local community and we're also looking at the engineering and some of the technical aspects of each of those routes. And we hope to firm that up here very shortly. But you know the big win here and what we're really excited about is no trucks, no concerns there with traffic and safety at seven and we're going to use conveyors recommended by the commission. OK, moving on, we'll talk about air quality. What I want you to know about air quality is that the CDPHE, Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, they're responsible for issuing our permit. You know, this is a very specific permit that's very specific control measures to include water disturbed areas, soil moisture, compaction and re vegetation, strict enforcement on emissions and, you know, indoor dust, and then the sequential mining of the property. You know, the good thing about this material is that it's sub-oqueous. And when you hear that word, basically what that means is if you were to go out to the property and you dig a hole, you're gonna find two things. You're gonna find Santa Gravel, and you're gonna find water, because most of this is super saturated. Now when we mine this property, we expected that material is still going to be very moist. So we're not overly concerned or concerned really at all about generating dust through the mining process. The state audits and they inspect our facilities, they ensure that we're in compliance. We will absolutely comply with what they regulate, but we don't want to just comply. What we want to do is excel at air quality. And on this project, we're willing to go beyond what is required to demonstrate that compliance. So the this project we're willing to go beyond what is required to demonstrate that compliance. So the first thing we've decided to do is we're going to do theoretical air modeling and we're going to allow the county to choose who they would like to have do that air quality analysis and we're going to provide theoretical study that affirms that in fact that this project will not impact air quality in a negative way and it will be far below the EPA's NAACUS limits or standards. So that's the first thing we're gonna do and we're offering up that again to go beyond what is expected of us on this project in terms of air quality. But in addition to that, we've also agreed to install two real-time dust monitors at the terms of our quality. But in addition to that, we've also agreed to install two real-time dust monitors at the edge of our Tucson property, one on the up, up, up, inside and one on the down, down, inside. And this is, this will be real-time monitors that will capture dust and we're willing to share that information, you know, both with the county, but also with the local neighbors through the appropriate channels. So this is a big step. Real-time monitoring in our industry isn't practiced everywhere. So this is a big step for us and it's a big step for the industry and we're glad to take that first step. When it comes to being transparent, we want to be as transparent as possible with their quality and we want to be self-regulating. You know, I want the community to know me. I want them to know my plant manager, my area manager, Christine, and I want to be approachable and I want to be someone they can call if they have concerns. But in addition to these things, we've also created a hotline specific to dust or other environmental concerns so that people have that immediate access to us. And if they have a concern or complaint that we get that call, it's easy access for them and that we can, you know, take the appropriate action. And I'll tell you, you know, if I get that call, it'll probably be a bad day for those people at the operation, but at the same token, they'll get that immediate response and we'll address the issue and address the concerns. So, you know, those are the things that we're doing around dust. I think, you know, it's exciting and I think it really makes an impact and a difference that enhances the compatibility of this project. So we'll go to the next slide. So let's talk about timeline, right? So one of the things we heard and we still here in the community is, look, we don't want a mining site and mining activity that starts and that goes on forever. You know, we'd like for you to focus on narrowing and specifying the timeline that it'll require to mine and replicate the site. So we've done just that. We've agreed to an eight-year window. And in that eight years, we were, you know, a plan on doing the continuous mining of this, so we're not gonna stop and take breaks and to be frank with you, we can't, because to get all of the reserve mined out properly, and then to do the reclamation is going to take that full eight years at seven to seven, in terms of the timeframe, Monday through Saturday. And it's really just math and knowing the economics and then computing how many times we can physically move and then how much we can reclimate now here we're also flexible and that people are concerned about weekends or Saturday specifically. And they'd like to see us work a half day Saturday. We're absolutely willing to do that, right? And it might lengthen the time from an eight year window to a nine year window. And if we take Saturdays out altogether, you know, that can be an option too. It might extend that full time period to 10 years. But right now we've got it at eight years, seven to seven Monday through Saturday, and we're out and we're complete. And we've made this commitment. It'll be part of the conditional use. And so that that basically rectifies that concern in terms of how long this operation. We'll be open. And if we don't get it mined out in the time that we're allowed, that'll be on us in terms of the minerals that we're able to extract from this minesite. So we thought we'd share that timeline with you in that commitment. Okay, next slide. So the future use of this property, you know, obviously the future use of this property is expected to be water storage with the city of Aurora. That was a contract that was negotiated and put into place many, many years ago. And, you know, we've agreed to build a berm and this is going to be a nice berm. This isn't going to be a throw up, you know, berm, meaning that we are going to, you know, diligently plan and design and build a burn. We're going to seed it, you know, so that it has the natural grass covering and it protects that view from highway seven from from being seen down into the quarry operation. And we've agreed to do that. We have examples that I've shown in this presentation that you should be able to see. And that's that's something that we've committed to. And in the next slide, in addition to the Birmingham, we're also going to be creating that pedestrian path that we talked about and have that connectivity with the potential bike trails with pressure fines that will run along Highway seven. And we're gonna be doing native plantings and we're gonna make sure that we're paying attention to the beautification of this property as you're coming down Highway 7 into Brighton. So we know it's a concern, we know that people want to make sure that that view is something that's more attractive than the not. So we're highly focused on that and you have our commitment that we're going to do those things that we say we're going to do. In addition to that Aurora has really been a great partner in this and they are absolutely willing to provide fencing that is more farm style versus industrial. I've learned a lot about farm style fencing because there's a lot of different types and styles. about farm style fencing, right? Because there's a lot of different types and styles. But generically, what you see in this picture is a farm style fence, right? At the end of the day, Adams County has to approve whatever fencing is put up. So Aurora can agree they can commit to the type of fence that would be more attractive versus the industrial style fence. But at the end of the day, Adams County needs to be able to approve that. but at least we have the commitment. And we heard, you know, loud and clear from the community that they'd like more access to the water storage area for recreational use. And I'll just tell you where Ag is with that. Now, we encourage communication between Aurora and Adams County to find the best use for this property that's also safe for the public, right? So I understand Aurora's point of view that is public safety first, right? So what we're trying to do is encourage them to collaborate with Adams County and try to determine, you know, if there are opportunities for other uses for this water storage that could be more recreational oriented. But again, public safety being priority, I understand their position. We're encouraging those talks and we'll have the city of Aurora in the process with us as we go through this journey of getting this application approved. So just an update that we do have a good partner and that they're willing to work with us to for the future use of this property long term. OK, and finally, and probably one of the most important is the South parcel. In reviewing our options with the South parcel, aggregate industries has agreed basically to remove the South parcel and we have submitted to the DRMS to have that parcel removed from our mind plan. This is bittersweet for us, right? This is, you know, reserves that we know and we walk away will never be mine. And that's hard for us and for this industry, but what I'm excited about and the sweet part is that if there is even the slightest potential that this property could be donated to an immediate good use for the community. That's a win for us. And so I know that we're working hard with parks and recreation. I know that we've had conversations with Adams County. We are looking for the absolute best solution. We've thrown some ideas out about what this property could be, but ag industries has decided to not only not mind this property, but to donate it and to have it go to a really good use that the public could appreciate now, but also long after we've done, we're done mining this project. So those are the big changes that we've outlined for this new submittal. I mean, it's a lot of information. I want to thank you for your time. I've included on this last slide some really important things. One, how to contact us if after this meeting you have further questions or concerns, or you have some concerns you need answered for your constituents. We're absolutely willing to do that. We have created a website, which you can see on this screen that really outlines the project and its entirety, but also has answers and questions that we've put some facts to and that just trying to do a much better job of outreach and disseminating appropriate facts and truthful information, which is all about what the website is doing for us. And that's a good thing. And then again, our contact information. So, you know, with that, I would glad to open the floor up to questions and concerns that myself, Christine or David could answer for you. You could un-share the screen. Then I can see who might have their hand up. Thank you. First, I see Council Member Cushion. I would like to thank the council members for their support. I would like to thank the council members for their support. Thank you. Thank you, mayor. Thank you for that presentation. I really appreciate it. I have a few questions. First, I just want to say I really appreciate coming back and taking a look at some of the big concerns for Brighton. I know that this is in Adams County application, but I really do, you know, really does affect our community. My first question is, will there be any trucks on highway seven as a result of this project? And I'm including water trucks or any trucks for drivers coming to and from the final site to pick up aggregate? Right, that's a great question. So when you look at our business today, our commercial trucks that come in to pick up aggregates come in to that location there off of Highway 6. This project will not have any processing. So down in the Tucson South area, there will not be any processing and we will not be selling material out of the South. So there will not be commercial trucks coming in or out of Tucson, south project to get material. In addition to that, there will be a water truck located at the mine height. And that's just to to make sure that we're managing the fugitive dust inside the project area, but we will not take that water truck out onto Highway 7. Okay, thank you. The other question I have was, is there any assurances that this will all be completed? That the land will be donated as part of this and that there's some concerns that previous projects didn't be completed or there were, you know, issues there. I mean, what guarantees do we know that, you know, 10 years from now, there's still going to be a big hole in the ground. Right. That's a, and that's a great question. So the one thing about the conditional use permit, you know, and one of the things David's been helping was us with is in terms of reclamation and the timeline that you know we could even you know potentially generate a contract specific with the county. But it will definitely be part of the conditional use permit. David do you have any other thoughts regarding how to certify that we'll be out in that eight years. Two things, Councilman, one is that upon approval is when the conveyance of that southern parcel will take place. So we won't wait until the end of the mining operation for that conveyance. So I want to just clarify that particular issue. I've been doing this for a long time and I have seen a lot of owners going back to the county to get extensions on their mining permits. I've seen it a number of times. And the county commissioners are very sensitive to that particular issue, which is why I don't know how many times we'll have to repeat it, but we'll repeat it a lot, both in our neighborhood meetings as well as our planning commission meeting as well as at a Board of County commissioners meeting, that the timeline that we commit to is where we will be done. Here's the benefit that AG Industries has in this promise, is that we're not storing it on this site. So we'll be mining it and moving it off site. And so it'll be stored elsewhere. And so it'll be mined, it'll be moved. And then as they go along through the process, the property will be reclaimed. And I think what the Board of County Commission is most concerned about is, well that's fine foster, but you're going to come back when the five of us are gone, and you're going to ask for more time. And we will make it abundantly clear, we'll put it into the CUP, we'll create a covenant, whatever additional requirements, obligations the county wants to see. But these guys are going to be done in the eight years that they're asking for. Just to clarify my previous question, driver-owned trucks will not be on highway seven at all. the trucks will not be on highway seven at all. Are you referring to like an FOB situation where privately owned and operated trucks? Right. Right. So obviously, I mean, you know, here's what we can control. A majority of the business that we do out of this operation, we have a lot of control over, right? So when we have our trucks that run for us, that deliver for us as you know, to our direct customers, they will certainly have the message, they will certainly understand that they're not to drive down into the Brighton area. We'll make that very clear. Now, there are sometimes jobs that are in Brighton that require material to be delivered. And we certainly can't control every truck that exists and that makes delivery. But what I can tell you is that we're 100% committed to making sure that the trucks that deliver for us, that work for us, go out and get onto highway 85 off of sticks. And the only reason that they would really need to ever go through Brighton is if they're making a delivery into that area. Were they're coming in from west of us and they cut across Highway 7 to get up to the up to you know what I mean up 85. Right and again, if you think about how this operation has been running for 30 years, this project wouldn't change that, right? So the location of our existing facility where customers have been coming in for years, and years and years, won't change as a result of this project. So there wouldn't be any increase in traffic expected, you know, with the addition of the Tucson South Project. Okay. Thank you for that. Also, one other thing, I'm sorry, I'm going to be monopolizing. One other question that came up was that there was concern that the conveyor system had some difficulty getting approved for safety reasons. Is it assured that this conveyor system will get approved and there won't be any issues where it can't be done or it has to change again because the conveyor system didn't get approved by C-DOT or something like that? Christine, do you wanna, because I know you've worked really closely with CDI, do you want to take that question? Yeah, so actually CDI is not approving this conveyor. So it would be Adams County Public Works who issues us the permit. And we actually had a conceptual review meeting with Adams County on Friday, and we talked to their team about this. And they made it clear that we are going to need to submit plans to show that we can safely cross under Tucson Street and 168th Avenue. But there have been no major concerns about safety that have been raised from Adams County at this point. It's just more a matter of making sure that we're accommodating any future utilities, particularly that come down 168th Avenue. But Adams County will be the ones issuing the permits. All right, thank you for that. And thanks again for presenting to us and keeping us in the loop and involving us. I know it's, again, it's not right in per se, but it definitely affects our community and a lot of people are concerned about the impacts. And so I really appreciate that. Thank you very much. Councillor Neill. I just wanted to add that we are meeting tomorrow with Bureau to make a presentation to them. Great. Thank you. Next, we have more questions from Council. Councilmember Jordan-Elli, then after that blockers. Okay, so we talk about crossing highway 7. That's actually pulling on and off highway 7 is what they're worried about, right? Not crossing. There's no property on the south side of Highway 7, right? Right, so there was previously. There was previously and that's where a lot of the concerns were, you know, in the original application, we were going to do some trucking because of how amount of material that was on that side. So that's why we've decided to completely walk away from that South parcel and then eventually donate it. So no, there will not be any commercial trucks used to move material across and on or around Highway 7 as a result of the Tucson South project. Okay, so you donating that to Brighton or to Adams County or who? A property on the south side. David, do you want to answer that? Yeah. The approach to that. So we're open. It doesn't much matter to us to whom we donate. I think what we want to do is we want to give it to the right entity that can really make the best use of it. And so obviously, this is an application that's going through Adams County. So we're meeting with Adams County Open Space and their folks. But you know, Marv is a great partner if the city believes that it can maybe utilize the property in a way consistent with the county. Frankly, my clients are in the act business and you guys are in parks and wreck and open space and other things. So I think that that's part of the conversation is who is in the best position to ultimately own that property. Okay, my last question is, I think you said you're going under the roads. Not over. That's great. So is there any issues with flooding? Collapse and you know that haven't happened? You know, not not collapse. Do we have to deal with water? Yeah, absolutely. And so we'll have. And have had already an engineering team that's focused on this. But again, depending on the route, all of those engineering solutions change. So we're working on a few different routes. We're looking at the complications and the engineering for each one of those crossings. And then we'll be moving forward with the best solution. But yeah, we'll have a factor of safety that is, you know, absolutely acceptable for any crossings that we do. Thanks, appreciate it. Thank you. Next, Council Member Blockers. Did you say what was happening to the property on the north side after you finished the mining and reclamation? So are we talking about the actual Tucson South project property when you say this? Yes. Yes. So the future use of that will be water storage. We have a contract that's been in place since the early 2000s with the city of Aurora. And so they will be the future owner and their intended uses for water storage. How did you have a contract with them before you even line it out? I'm just curious because obviously it's an R backyard and we have need of water storage as well as Aurora does, and Aurora is up here at our backyard already. So I'm kind of curious is how they got that right of first refusal? Great question. Christine, I know that you probably have a little more history on that than I do based on your time at the company. Do you want to answer that? Sure. So the agreement with Aurora was actually entered into in 2003 and aggregate did obtain a conditional use permit from Adams County. And I believe it was 2004. And so we actually did have all permitting in place at that time to go ahead and mine. For various reasons, we never mind the property. And so that this is just honoring that contract that's been in place since 2003. Unfortunately, I can't really speak to, you know, how we ended up working with Aurora on this because it was so long ago. Well, initially, they didn't want you to mind it. They wanted to trade you out for other property and use it for well site so they could drill wells in it and pump the water from the sound plant through that gravel. Yeah, so there was a time period when we were working with Aurora because they were looking at the site or ARR. And so we were trying to figure out if Aurora could help us figure out another property that we can mine in exchange for them using this property as ARR. But eventually, Aurora determined that, you know, they couldn't find a comparable property for us and they moved on with different plans. And so they no longer need this site or ARR, they are gonna instead use it as water storage. You're aware that we own the piece of property between your property and the river? Yes. A Jason, do you? We are. And frankly, I'm a little concerned that Brighton gets cut out of this when it's our backyard and our open space. And you make a deal with Aurora that's a long way away. And they can do what they want with it. And it doesn't really benefit the people here in Brighton area that have to live with that mining. It's kind of like, you know, a roar doesn't care. A roar is long ways away. I wish all these things would have been set in stone before because I think we have concerns and some vested interest in that property along there for open space and even trails and other things that that are no interest whatsoever to Aurora. So, part of our conversations last year were with Parks Department and that property that you referenced that's right next to the plat in between our East cell and the plant river, East Sell and the plot river. And so we do have set backs from that parcel and we were working with parks to make sure that it is preserved. And addition in addition to that, we worked on trail alignment that will go just north of Highway seven. Also, it's along the cells end of our east and west cells. And that was something that parks wanted that trail alignment as well as some native plantings as far the reclamation. And then we are meeting with Travis Haynes hopefully in the next week or two to discuss the south parcel because we do realize that this impacts Brighton and so we want to try to bring Brighton in as much as we possibly can. realize that this impacts Brighton and so we want to try to bring Brighton in as much as we possibly can. Unfortunately, we don't have any control, you know, over, as Chant said, Aurora allowing public access for recreation. But we are trying to do what we can to make sure that Brighton is part of this. Is Aurora also going to hold the pit on the south side of the road. No, no, so that is owned by aggregate industries and that is what we are proposing to donate to either Brighton or the whole the whole piece on the southeast. Yes, South of highway seven. Right. Yes, I thought we were just a corner there. They weren't going to mind. No, no. Okay. Yeah, the entire South parcel and it obviously will be unmind. So it's right. It's right. Thank you. I appreciate your presentation and answering the questions. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. More questions from council. The other member of the council member today. I do have a question. So the you've spoke earlier about the FOBs that are going to be driving their trucks to and from the site. Is that going to be something order they're gonna go Highway 785, County Road 2. Right, I mean that's a great question. So let's define FOB, right? So there's a very small percentage of trucks, uneroperated trucks and customers who send their trucks to the closest quarry because of the freight element that I talked about. And again, I think, you know, when you look logistically right at this property, the best place to come into our facility to get loaded is off of highway six. Now, you know, can we control every one of those trucks that come in on their own, depending on where they're coming from, we can't. But what we can say is that it won't change from what it's been, right? There's no reason that this project, which is just providing more material to the plant site, would change what's already been in terms of the amount or the number or the location of where FOB trucks are. It's really about demand, right? So where that demand is is where the trucks tend to go. Now what we can commit to, and I'm open to your ideas as well, is to make sure that we get the word out, that we put up, you know, some maybe some very visible signage that says you need to take this route and encourage them very aggressively to you know to go out the direction we want them to go which is six and then to the tie-de-five. Can we control that 100% no we you know just to be honest with you but we can encourage it like we do a lot of other things to make sure that they're listening that they see it and if we we catch them, we can certainly then have, you know, more serious conversations with them. Okay. Thank you. And I had one more comment. This might be, again, my naive, naive, tame. So you're talking about the land that's going to be donated. AI has control over that. I guess, if and when it comes to that decision making, how is that going to come about? I mean, what would the city be able to do to be in good position to have it be donated to the city? So, to answer if I can answer that. I think councilman, that's exactly why we want to have this conversation. Now, we have time between now and when the Board of County commissioners ultimately hears this issue for Brighton and the county to work together to figure out the right answer. Because we don't know what the right answer is. We could say, hey, Brighton, you can have the property and then Marf Alconberg's gonna say, well, we don't have money to pay for keeping a park operational. So we don't wanna be insensitive to the ongoing operations that you have as a city. So we think it's best if we sit in a room with the county and the city and convene that conversation. And is it safe to assume then, you know, if we do acquire this property, we would also have the mineral rights. You would have all the rights. Because that would be an income opportunity, I think, for the city that, you know, could subsidize the lack of you know because what's going to happen with COVID and all that so thank you very much appreciate the presentation of this great Great question thank you anybody on council that's spoken yet how they seem to say we're going around to council member what thank you for the presentation just a quick question when will you be presenting this to the I'm sorry. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Councillor Neill. Thank you. Welcome. Thank you. Any more questions from Council? As I've spoken, Mayor Pro Tem? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you very much for some changes that were necessary, but didn't have to happen to be able to represent this. But I noticed the years of how long this was going to last is down significantly. The idea of the conveyors, as long as they are approved, great work from our city staff, Mr. Foster, Ms. Fels, I believe it is well done. The problem is pretty obvious with some of the trucking that isn't accounted for here right now. That's an issue that we need to address. Thank you, Councillor Tadeo and Councillor Cushing for going after that. And then Councillor Blackhurst, you brought up something that is new news to me. I think to all of us, and I don't mean to hijack this into a ward something negative, but we have to discuss that we at our visit, I believe it was in February, our vision session for City Council. We discussed the idea of water storage and what a big deal that is for our future. And to find out that Aurora has signed a contract long ago that circumvents us from being able to use that part of our vision plus our land right there is problematic. So that's something that we need to discuss further. Maybe I don't know Mr. Falconberg if there's an idea to maybe work with Aurora on an IGA there, but knowing what we just heard, I don't feel as comfortable knowing that Aurora gets all of what they're getting from this without ever conceding anything to aggregate what I mean is They didn't find the land for you to mine now you're mining our land and we're getting nothing out of it just to be very frank and but the plans that we wanted to change and the residents asked us to change have gone for so I don't don't get me wrong We appreciate we appreciate that. There is some good progress here, but we're just a little bit off, in my opinion, from where we need to be. So I think we need to iron out those details, but if we can, I would definitely love to take this on to a further level here as it goes forward in Adams County. The one question I have and this is not a rhetorical question really is the water. As a former minor myself, I just know and I was on the surface. So it's hard to say you're a minor because I'm from the coal industry. You have to go underground and call yourself that. So no disrespect, but just the water usage. Two quick questions is your slurry. Oh, on your slurry is the ability for you to use the water that you have as a closed loop recycling ability because you're just mining aggregates. So are you going to be able to stay on a closed loop cycle and use less water regardless of where it comes from and where is all the water coming from? That's the thing that takes a lot of water is to get the rocks to the conveyor and on the conveyor usually, unless there's a different plan. So, just... Right, so, so I'll answer a portion of that, and I'll have Christine answer some. So the mining process, you know, will actually be using an either an excavator or a loader and we'll be loading trucks that will dump it into a hopper right there inside the pit area. And then it goes from the hopper onto the conveyor and out. So we don't use dredging methods, we don't use slurry pumps. We physically dig it out in a moist condition and we put it onto the truck that then puts it into the hopper. Right, and I don't mean to cut you off, Israel, and I totally understand that, but as anyone that's ever mind anything knows once you get it to a hopper, plus when you leave a layer open for a 24-hour period, especially in the summer, you're going to get that top layer to be very dusty, therefore you're going to need water. And I know in projects here in Brighton, I'm in the center of our city we are using the water straight from hydrants I've noticed a lot of developers do and that's just something that's not accounted for enough. But I guess it's obviously it's going to go through the hopper and you're doing a wet mining process once you hit second layer but that first layer but like what are you going to do? I know water will be used. We don't know the level of it. So where are you getting that water? Yeah. And Christine, and that's where I was going to ask Christine, if you want to cover the, how we're going to do the, and I'm assuming you're talking about the top level dust treatment while we're doing the mining operation. Is that, is that what you're saying? And, and hopper conveyor use. I mean, even if you're underground, I've never seen a conveyor with aggregates with no water usage whatsoever to keep the dust down both of those places. Yeah, so for concerns with dust, that's why we have the water truck on site. So for the water truck to get that water, we are currently looking at whether we want to put kind of like a tank in the pit to store water so that the water truck can fill up right there on site with that tank. We are even looking at maybe is there away along our conveyor line to bring water back down to the site from our facility up in Welf Well County. We are going to have a slurry wall installed at this site. So there won't be water coming into the pit. And so we won't need to be dewatering like you might see at a mine that doesn't have a slurry wall. But the material will still be moist. And additionally, if there are any concerns with dust along the conveyor, we can install water spray bars at different points along the conveyor, typically at the transfer points. Sections of the conveyor will also be covered and then we can add different things like shrouding around transfer points to eliminate dust concerns. But a lot of what we see in this area is that the material is actually moist enough where it's not creating any dust as it transfers from belt to belt. Great. No, that's great to hear. The hoppers always create some dust as long as you can that the governor's been doing. I'm not sure if you have any questions. I'm not sure if you have any questions. I'm not sure if you have any questions. I'm not sure if you have any questions. I'm not sure if you have any questions. I'm not sure if you have any questions. I'm not sure if you have any questions. I'm not sure if you have any questions. I have. Mr. Foster, Miss Allen, this fell is the idea of Aurora, the water, we need to solve that and the trucking rate points by council members. And that's all I have. Thank you all very much. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Anybody else? Thank you, Mayor. I'm sorry to be to dead horse, but on those trucks. So we've got water trucks. So they've got to leave and come back and fill up with water. And we've got excavators loading dump trucks to load the conveyor. How are those going to get onto the site? I mean, I just want to clarify or be really clear that are we going to have water trucks or really have dump trucks when they come on to the site in the site. I mean, I just want to clarify, or be really clear that are we going to have water trucks, or we're going to have dump trucks when they come onto the site in the morning, hitting Highway 7. Are there any of these trucks that are going to come through Highway 7? Right. So when we talk about a dump truck, really what we're talking about is a mining altrain truck. It's about a 40 ton truck that will stay on site. So that's a yes, there'll be a one time delivery of that truck to the site. And then hopefully that truck will stay there if it's a good truck. It'll stay there for the entire eight years, right, of through the mining process. So that's a one time delivery just a set of the mining operation. And again, with the water, you know, we have a couple of options. One would be to find a way to bring the piping in through the conveyor system. If we do have to bring water in through another method, it could potentially be a truck that's delivering, you know, and just looking at our estimates, it would probably be maybe one to do deliveries a week to fill up the onsite tank that Christine mentioned. So just to be totally clear, I'm not trying to beat you up on this, but there's a possibility a water truck could come in once a week on Highway 7. That's one possibility, but that would be it. Well, we have the option to bring that because it's in our control completely, right? Right, okay. That works for us. So I can bring that truck in, you know, the best way that, you know, we need to to accommodate the concerns about highway seven. And the people who are working there, they're all getting to the site in a normal passenger vehicle. They're not taking any kind of heavy equipment to get on site for their daily shift. That's right. They'll come in their personal vehicles and they'll park and they'll get on their mining equipment. And chance how many people are you anticipating? Yeah, I mean, so when you look at the mining operation, you're probably looking at a total of maybe five people in total to do the actual mining. So it's very negligible in terms of what that traffic looks like on seven today. looks like on seven today. All right, thanks. Next, uh, council member, Jordan Alley, what do you have to add? I have probably a yes or no. Are you guys going to be involved in all? I assume a roar is going to run a pipeline. Are you involved in that process at all? No. Christian, any other comments on that? Christine? No, we're not involved in that. No. Christian and any other comments on that Christine. No, we're not involved in that. Okay. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. Well, thank you for the presentation. Thank you for previewing this project before. Bring it to the county and we appreciate, you know, learning us to what there is to come pending approval from Adam's County commissioners. So thank you very much. Right. Thank you. Thank you. Really appreciate a great question. Thank you. Next on the agenda, city manager interview questions. And so we are all involved in that interview process coming up this week. And Karen went ahead and re-emailed everybody the kind of a guide of, and this is whether we could kind of came up with some questions to consider. Now on Tuesday, Thursday, we'll be interviewing these candidates individually. I am most interested in coming to an agreement to what kind of questions we would like to ask as a group on Friday since we'll be all interviewing them as a group one at a time. So I would entertain any discussion to this matter. If anybody's had time to look over the questions, Mayor Pro Tem? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Like I've said in previous interview processes, I'm not going to be, and I haven't said this. I've just been handcuffed so many times in previous interview processes, I'm not going to be, and I haven't said this. I've just been handcuffed so many times in previous interview processes. I'm no longer going to do anything group oriented with any questions. I have certain questions for certain candidates, and I will be asking those on both Thursday and Friday in open sessions or not. I don't like the canned questions going to each individual. Not each individual is a canned question, the same question again and again. Not only does it get redundant, it doesn't get where you need to get. This is too important of a position for us to do what we have done in the past with other positions. And I just, no matter what comes from this council tonight no disrespect to any any of you I'm going to ask the questions as they come to me mixed with as they need to be asked both on Thursday and Friday but I do respect any other opinions but that's what I'm going to do to represent the citizens of World War One the way I need to and that's all thanks Mr. Mayor. what I'm gonna do to represent the citizens of World War I in the way I need to. And that's all, thanks Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Council Member Kishin. Well, Mr. Johnson stole my thunder. I agree with them 100%. I think it's fair if people wanna come up with a handful of those questions they wanna use or different ones, but I'd kinda of like to you know see how things go and ask questions based on you know the candidate and how the discussions going without having any canned predetermined questions. Thank you. Thank you. Council member Watts and then after that blockers thank you miss mayor I too agree with Mayor Pro Tem and Council Member Krishan on this. I do have one question though. From a legal standpoint, can we do that? Do we have to send a reviring for the same position? I know another field you have to ask. If you're going to ask one person one question, if that's the same questions, I'm just curious from a legal standpoint. Can we go off topic and ask the questions we want to ask? I want to ask the questions that I want to ask, not scripted ones. I just wanted to find out if that's possible or not. Yeah, actually, help us out. I'm going to actually ask Karen to speak to that too. Karen is very involved in the whole interview process on a daily basis and I'm not. I will say that it does become problematic if you're asking different questions of different candidates, especially if you're getting into areas that are not appropriate to ask. And sometimes there's a gray area thinking, oh no, that doesn't hit one of those issues, but it leads to an answer that does. We welcome a human resource perspective. Thank you. Yes. So Mr. Basinger just sent you the sample questionnaire and questions and guide. And in the guide, at the very end, it does say the kind of questions you cannot app and you need to avoid. It is generally a good idea to ask the same questions of each candidate so that you do appear non-discriminatory. However, you can ask different questions based on their responses and based on their application and the resume and the materials that you have. And obviously that would be different for each person. So remind me we have 40 minutes per candidate on Friday. Your individual ones on Thursday, the one on one are 40 minutes each and then the group ones are 50. So in the group ones 50 minutes leave time for what 12 to 14 questions, I would guess. Yeah, if the average person takes two minutes for each question, saying hi again, hopefully. So we need to consider that in how we move forward in this discussion. So. And can I say the one-on-one interviews are going to be at Eagle View Adult Center rather than the Armory. We change that. And each candidate will have their own room and the council people will circulate to each of the room. Okay. So we're speed dating. You're speed dating. Yeah. You're speed dating tomorrow night too. At the meeting brief. Last more for the other. Yeah, in the staff. And then on Friday, the interviews are right up here in the study session room. Okay. Okay, so we need to consider all that. I did see Council member blackers and then after that humburt. Okay, so we need to consider all that. I did see Councilmember Blackhurst, and then after that, Humbert. I guess I'm a little surprised that our HR director is going to allow us to ask what questions we want. All the time, I've ever been high. Well, no, I have no. I love viewing people. If you, you you can ask follow up questions that are different. It's what this one I've been told by Sursa and other people involved in hiring practices and what can be viewed as discrimination and discriminatory behavior by the interviewer. The problem is, you have two women, I don't know what the other makeup of the people that we've invited in. One of them doesn't get it and he finds out or she finds out the questions were different for a different candidate. Then how are you going to say that they were not discriminatory? Well, you didn't ask me that question. You asked me this question, but you didn't ask him or heard that question. The follow-up questions can be different depending on what their answers are. Now, obviously, you all can do what you want to do, but I'm just stating something that I've been told many, many, many times. And that's it. If you don't ask the same basic questions to every candidate, then you are discriminating. How can you say that it was an honest interview process when some questions were asked to one person or not to another. I'm not trying to be argumentative. You can all do what you want to do and I'm sure to a degree. That's what you will do. But that's what I've been told before. I'm surprised our attorney hasn't mentioned that or our HR director. That is very proven advice. And the reason isn't so much in the questions, but what do you do with the information after you get that answer? And if you don't think about as a discriminatory question, you may be asking, but the fact that you're asking a different question does indicate that you're treating it canodate differently? I hate canned questions to believe me. I do not like canned questions, but. I've been cautioning many many times. Thank you. You know, real quick, I brought this up because I haven't enjoyed the past interview processes either. But I think it's important to come up with some sort of an agreement of what we should ask and not be handed 12 questions on Friday. That's the whole point of this. So, how can I count some of them, or Humbert, I saw? Yeah, my biggest concern is that canned questions are likely to, they've probably heard them before and they're going to yield canned answers. And wait, and so I guess it's with the follow up questions that we'll be able to maybe get a little more depth. But I'm concerned about canned questions because they know what those questions are going to be. Yes. Good point. Thank you. Next, who hasn't spoken yet? Council member, does he Jordan Elly? Was your hand up? No. Okay. Go ahead. I think I'm in a pass for now. Okay. Help them remember Cushing. No, I appreciate the concern. And I guess maybe as a point of clarification, when I interview people and the reason I asked them different questions is not to be discriminatory. And of course, we avoid, you know, topics that would be discriminatory. But when I look at someone's background and they have a different background, candidate A, maybe worked in the private sector, candidate B never has, it's gonna, that's what's gonna drive my questions. It's gonna be based on their background and how that background applies to this job. So that's where my questions would be different. I don't, if there's a problem with that, I'd like to know, I mean I'm a private sector person so my interviews are not in government but you know it's when guy tells me he's got experience in this area I want to know how that area is going to help that person perform this job well someone else has a completely different background then questions are going to be geared towards that not what is your biggest weakness so you, you know, any clarification that would help me, thanks. So, if I may, you know, there's a practical application to this. And I think Council Member Cushing points that out. Yes, it's ideal if you ask basically the same type of questions for all the candidates. If you veer from that, if you have a rational basis and the council is on board with why you're veering from that based on the background, this candidate versus this candidate with non-discriminatory reasons, then it is defensible. It only becomes an issue if there is a challenge. And also in the packet is an evaluation tool which breaks down the different categories that you might want to use to determine what you're looking for in a city manager. And you can go, you can make your questions based on what is important to you, for instance, based on their interaction skills or it's on their administrative skills. And we'll have a copy of that in front of us. Yeah. Coming up. Okay. Next to his questions, Councilmember Jordan-Nelli. So I will chime in just for a second. I'm not going to be there Friday, but if you look at his list, they're categorical. So if you give them all five or six or seven or 10 categorical questions, all the same, then your backup questions can be alternating off of that, but you have to do the 10 or so categories the same, right? Wouldn't that clear us, Jack? That's the recommendation Okay, is that it? Yeah Next Mayor Potem Thanks, Mayor I am laughing a bit because that is the recommendation. I respect that from HR and from Miss Reen and Mr. Pajorck. I just need to once again explain if we're nervous about losing money to a legal matter based on our interview questions, we should probably, based on our history, be a little bit more worried about having to go through a city manager process again, and having a city manager lawsuit possibly come at us or have to pay them for a period of time after they're not working for us, because that has been our past, and I hate to be so blunt, but I think finding the best candidate totally overtakes any fear of a lawsuit coming from a maybe where we just were told by our very legally conservative city attorney, respectfully, that he could, it is defensible, whatever question we ask. What's not defensible whatever question we ask. What's not defensible is if we go through another city manager process where we didn't ask the right questions and we don't have a city manager in place for a long time, I guarantee you from three city manager experiences, the small amounts that we have had over the small amount of years that we will be paying money and using our legal resources for those things if we don't find the right candidate. I'm happy to bend my feelings at the beginning of the subject with my comments. I'm happy to bend them to where we make it as good as we can, but I have certain questions for certain individuals that have to go out. They have to because I don't want to feel like this system doesn't work with city managers. I want to get a good one here and whoever she or he may be, that they stay here for a long time. So I'm going to put all my effort and all my chips into this pot right here that we ask every question we can that we can think of in the moment and if they find a legal reason to come after us then I bet you that won't look good in their future and it won't. It won't hurt us. It'll hurt us more if we don't ask the questions now and we're dealing with the questions about why we're getting a new city manager later. So that's my reasoning behind it. But I'm happy to bend it if we need to certainly certainly. So just let me know what I need to do. Thank you. Great points and it's most important. Now the very least we avoid the extremely personal questions that are listed in the guide. So next, questions that are listed in the guide. So next, I'll remember Jordan. I just want to respond to Matt. I mean, isn't that what the personal Thursday one is for for you to do your own personal venture and then you come in Friday together and here on a group basis on aggregate basis. here on a group basis, on aggregate basis. Yep, if I may respond, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, go ahead and respond please. Yeah, and I know that you were just elected counselors or Nellie, and I said this a lot tonight, and usually you say a slight right afterwards, but I'll do respect it. I'm saying I have been through these interview processes and pulled forward positions, city attorney, and some levels of other parts of what we've done. And I'm just telling you, the feeling of being handcuffed and making a bad decision, just over rules, my feelings about trying to be supposedly fair when we need to be fair to the residents first and then everyone else second. I guess that's just the way I feel as we have to do it. The Councillor Humber brought up a great point and I forgot about. It's the canned answers that we've gotten in the past with the canned questions. And I've hired so many hired and been hired from so many different places in politics hired so, hired and been hired from so many different places and politics and in coal mines. I'm telling you the difference in questions. It won't matter. It won't matter as much as the employee that is hired. It just won't. And I feel like we do have defensible evidence that we're going to ask questions that are not pointed towards making a kind of better or worse. And that's why I definitely that we're going to be doing and we're going to be doing and we're going to be doing and we're going to be doing and we're going to be doing and we're going to be doing and we're going to be doing and we're going to be doing and we're going to be doing and we're going to be doing and we're going to be doing and we're going to be doing and we're going to be doing and we're going to be asked that I haven't been asked. If that answers your question, you can. Thank you. Mayor. Thank you. Let's put this out there. Does anybody has any questions they really want to have after in our group session? Let's have an email. Help's have an email to Karen. I would ask really by tomorrow night, because we really need to be ready for this. So that's my ask right now. And then that way we're not emailing the group right now. They're pro-temptive. You want to clarify real quick slow? Yeah, just real quick is that, but the reality is, during interview process, as more questions come up. So yes, I'm happy to do that. I just don't want, I mean, it is up to you as the runner of any meeting that we have, Mr. Mayor, to make us stop asking questions, but I just cannot be confined after everything we've gone through with any kind of if I don't send this email in unless you decide to do it during the meeting, which is totally your right in the charter and as me, but other than that, I'll send a I have three that I will send. I'm happy to. Thank you. Yes, I'd be interested in what people want to ask as much as possible. OK, anybody else? All right. So Karen already kind of told us the process Thursday and Friday. So the next thing I want to ask is, is everyone on being here in person, both Thursday and Friday, or their variations in this? Are we gonna have to get people in the Zoom? There's people that just for some reason can't come, council member Watts. I will be in person on Thursday and Friday in person. I'll just go down to ward level. Mayor Pro Tem. My wife is at the hospital right now as long as she's not in. She's working a night as long as she's not in contact with a COVID patient that has the disease or I will be there on both. I'll find out at 6 a.m. to murem. Thank you. We'll be prepared either way for you. Councilmember Pollock. I'm playing to be there in person. I have a different kind of mask. I'm going to try. Hopefully it works. It's a shield actually not quite a mass. I'm going to try it and I'd like to be there in person. I like to see people's body language when we ask questions and I think I could get a better feel by seeing the person in person. So yes, I will do my very best to be there. So no Zoom Thursday Friday for me. Thank you for clarifying. Councilmember Kateo. I will be there in person. Full days. Yes, yes. Thank you. Councilmember Blackhurst. I'll be there in person both days. Thank you. Councilmember Jordan-Nellie. It sounds like You'll be there in person. Okay, well you'll be able to come be in zoom on Friday. I Don't think so Okay, I'll have I'll be satisfied with Thursday. That's enough for me. Okay. Councilmember Humbert. In person, both days. Thank you. Councilmember Cushin. I'll be there. Both days. Okay. Both days. Thank you. All right. Thank you all. What's new forward now? The next item on the agenda overview of city council rules of procedure governing meetings. So I asked for this to be put up on the on a study session and I know it's kind of getting late, but this is very important. This, there's a council rules were created. I believe in 2002, it's been a while. And it's been amended in certain ways over time. And I've asked our city attorney's office to kind of give us an overview of our of our rules. So we were kind of refamiliarized with it. We have some people new account. So and if there's any any entertainment to any alterations based on what we learned tonight. So Jack, I believe it's Lena that'll be. Yeah, I'll do it. I'll introduce to those of you that have not met my, number one, star employee, Lena McLelland. Sorry if you look at the phone, unless you'll see she's my only employer right now. So she, I tell her she has to keep both ends of the spectrum and balance there so she did a fine job. Apologies to council to start with. We really thought we had done this presentation so you can observe it from home and we could have saved a lot of this time tonight. Marv and I and staff need to work through this some more. We had it recorded. Lena did the recording. I reviewed the recording. Marvie reviewed the recording. Apparently when it went on live on the agenda, it didn't translate with the audio. So with that in mind, I'll tee this up for Lena, but I'm gonna ask council, and I've told her, make it just abbreviated as much as you can, just to give an overview, and she can further abbreviate it from what actually she had recorded if that's the interest to council. You know, it's 9.30 at night and you don't want to hear somebody just drone on with something you can read. Otherwise, it's probably a 15 minute presentation. Yes, I did say drone on, sorry. So any input from council would be welcome at this point, otherwise, Lena, you can take it from now. I would also offer mayor that I know that a PDF version was provided if council members have had a chance to look at that, I would also be happy to just answer questions or clarifications if in the interest of time considering it's almost 9.30, if you don't want an actual presentation, I'm happy to do that as well, whatever council wishes. If you could, Daly, give us just a quick synopsis and then let's entertain questions from there. It doesn't have to be the 15 minute presentation, but let me tee this up further by saying what I asked Lena to do is stick to what's actually in the council rules now. We know that there's a number of issues. Some of the issues are that it's not compliant with various authorities. We know there's things that need to get changed. We didn't attempt to make a list of that because that list just keeps on growing and growing. But we wanted to at least give this as a way to tee off some further discussion of going into the rules. And they are council's rules. So council needs to be involved in how that would that would that process would take place with that Lena. Go ahead. Okay, I will try to do a somewhat abbreviated presentation and maybe just go over some of the major rules if that works for you, Mayor. Yes. Okay. I will give me a second to start my presentation. Can you all see my screen? Yeah. Okay. So, as I said, this is just going to be an overview of the council rules as they exist right now. Okay. So just quick background the rules were originally adopted in 2002. They have since been amended several times. Most recently in 2020 as all of you are aware. The authority for these rules comes from section 5.1a of the basic rules that cover things like the City Council meetings. As you all know, recently amended rule 1A, City Council shall meet in regular sessions on the first and third Tuesday of each month at 6 p.m. The agenda for these meetings is primarily for transacting city business that requires formal action and voting. Study session meetings is covered by rule 1b. That is to be on the second and fourth Tuesdays of each month at 6.30 p.m. according to the rules. And in the study session being your agenda is primarily those topics that do not require a formal vote. As you are aware, purposes of study sessions are to discuss and establish policy, address administrative items, receive reports, and to study those issues that may require formal action in a future meeting. Rule one, CE covers your special meetings. These are all meetings that can be held on a day other than a scheduled Tuesday, which are called for the purpose of transacting limited municipal business. You all had one of those this evening. In fact, the Rule one, D covers your executive sessions. These require a motion by council member that state the general subject matter as you're aware members present in order to enter the executive session. I'm gonna try to zoom through these a little. If I talk too fast, just let me know. Number two covers city council meeting procedures. This is going to cover things like agenda and order of business meetings. Rule two a is your agenda. Two or more council members may direct the city manager at a study session meeting to make an addition to a City Council agenda. Rule 2B covers the order of business. The rules do lay out how meetings, what the agenda and order of business at meetings will look like. The council may, though, by a majority vote of the members' presence to spend the rules and change this order of business. Just one thing to point out, I did bold those words, only to just point out to the council that there are different places in the rules where the amount, the number of members needed for an affirmative vote changes. It's sometimes a majority of members present as it is in the case of this rules. And sometimes it is a majority of the members on council so it's just important to pay attention to when that language changes slightly because it changes the number of council members required for an affirmative vote. Rule 2B also covers what will happen if a meeting goes past 11 PM. will happen if a meeting goes past 11 p.m. The rules require that if it is not adjorned by 11 p.m. That certain procedures will take place for the remainder of the meeting. First, all public meetings not previously open will be vacated or will be open for the sole purpose of setting the hour to continue them. The council may it's discretion at any regular meeting extend beyond 11 p.m. but for no more than two additional 15 minute periods upon a motion duely made and seconded and approved by a majority of the members present. Any proceedings that need to be continued will then be continued until 7 p.m. on the following evening. Continuing in rule two also has rule two E, which covers public comment. As we're all aware, there are designated times at regular meetings where citizens may make public comment. Public comment is limited to 15 minutes per speaker per item. What did I say? You said 15, but it's five. Oh, I hope it's not 15. I'm so sorry. In front, Joe Keir. Sorry. Rule two as covers public hearings and the general order for public hearings. Continuing in rule two. It's probably the largest rule that's in the rules. Rule two I covers permission required to address city council. Rule two J covers a quorum. It is a majority of all the members of council that hold office at the time. It is required for transacting any business currently because you have full nine members sitting your quorum is five members. If there are no, if there's no quorum, the members present may adjourn the meeting to a later time or day. If there are no members present, the city clerk can adjourn the meeting for no longer than one week. Rule 2K covers voting. Different actions require different votes as I mentioned. Final adoption of ordinances requires an affirmative vote of majority of all council members. Whereas resolutions and motions require an affirmative vote of a majority of the council members present. So a slight distinction between ordinances and resolutions and motions. As you're aware, no council members shall vote on any question on which they have a conflict of interest or concerning their own conduct. I'm going to go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go If scheduled, businesses are interrupted by a German HL resume at the next regular meeting or at a future meeting. A motion to adjourn is in order at any time except in the following circumstances. When it is made as an interruption of a member while speaking, when the previous question has been ordered and while a vote is being taken. This motion to adjourn is debatable only as to the time to which the meeting is to adjourn. Rule three covers ordinances, resolutions, and other business. Rule three D covers the reading of ordinances. As you're aware, all ordinances must be read and full or by title if copies are available on first reading. They may be amended on first reading. After proper publication, ordinances are read by title only on second read and then open for public comments. They may then be amended and adopted and file final form following public comments. The second introduction of ordinances must be no earlier than four days after publication. Emergency ordinances, as you all experienced a couple months ago, are approved only by affirmative vote of two thirds of council and require only one reading and do not require publication prior to final read. Rule four gets into parliamentary procedure. Rule four a covers the making of motions any action that requires a vote must be preceded by a motion presented by a council member and requires a second. Rule 4B covers the precedence of motions. If there is a main motion before council, no subsidiary motion may be entertained except for limited purposes. The only subsidiary motions that are allowed for the council rules. If there is a main motion on the floor, are allowed for the council rules. If there is a main motion on the floor, are to fix the hour of adjournment, to adjourn, to lay on the table, to call the previous question, to postpone to a certain day, to refer to amend and to postpone indefinitely. These motions have precedence in the order listed. Any of these motions accept the motion to amend or a motion to postpone and definitely shall be put to vote vote without debate Rule 4F covers the motion to postpone or continue this one is debatable it requires a majority vote and it must include the date to which the matter will be postponed or continued continued. As I mentioned here are some of your other subsidiary emotions, motion to postpone indefinitely, motion to amend, and a motion for reconsideration. In particular, a motion for reconsideration can only be made by a council member who voted on the prevailing side of the question and it can only be reconsidered if it's at the same meeting as the actions thought to be reconsidered unless there is a vote to temporarily suspend the rules. And in absence of a rule on point in your council procedures, your council rules indicate that you will follow Robert's rules of order newly revised. And if you want to help Karen Sonia, I suggest you try to read that. But be sure you read the right version because yes, that's also true. There are differences. Yes, very true. Rule five covers your officers and employees. Rule five a talks about who will administer your oath of office. That is your municipal judge or your city attorney. Rule 5B covers your presiding officer that is the mayor or in the absence of the mayor the mayor potent. Your rules or procedures set out the process for your mayor potent. They are elected at the first meeting following each biennial election. They serve a two-year, and they preside as mayor during any temporary absence of the mayor. If your mayor or mayor, Potem, or absent, Rule 5D, temporary, presiding officer, covers the procedure. In this case, if they are absent, the city clerk shall call the city council to order and call a role. If there is a quorum, the city council will elect by a majority vote of those present, a presenting officer of the meeting to act until the mayor or the mayor of Pro Temma here. Continuing with your. I remember how it really went after a real quick question. I think that the Mayor Pro Temmelection actually took place two council meetings after the election. But it was the only way that the new council could vote. Yeah, it's one of the things that is inconsistent. The charter actually was changed talking about the election of members and be it then you have new members that would pick a new mayor pro tem the charter now says it has all that happens at the first meeting in January the rules still talk about it being right after the election so that's one of the many things that we've identified that needs to be addressed. Now practically I think we need to go to the first of the year. Thank you. Continue please. All right so continuing with employees, rule five F covers the city manager. It indicates that the city manager, the acting city manager, their designate shall attend all of your meetings. And they may make recommendations to council and may take part in discussions on all matters considering the welfare of the city. Rule 5G is the city clerk. They are the ex officio clerk of the city council and they are to keep minutes and perform other duties as ordered. Rule 5H is your city attorney. States that the city attorney or designate shall attend all meetings and at any time any member may call on the city attorney for an oral or written opinion or decide a question of law. Rule six covers the duties and privileges of council members. Rule six a is decorum and order the presiding officer shall preserve the quorum and decide all questions of orders subject to appeal by council members. I will now be back to the next slide. I will be back to the next slide. I will be back to the next slide. I will be back to the next slide. I will be back to the next slide. I will be back to the next slide. I will be back to the next slide. I will be back to the next slide. I will be back to the next slide. I will be back to the next slide. I will be back to the question under debate, avoid personal references and refrain from imputing the motives of any other member's arguments or vote. Rule 6E covers the limitation of debate. When it matters before a city council for official action, your rule of state, but no member shall speak more than twice during the debate or more than once before all members who wish to speak have spoken. This rule may be suspended upon a specific ruling of the presiding officer. Rule 6G covers disclosure of known or potential conflicts of interest. Any member with a known potential conflict of interest in an item before the council must disclose the nature of the conflict. This is including but is not limited to financial interests for themselves or a family member. Members with a potential conflict must certify on a disclosure form which can be obtained from the city clerk. But they will refrain from attempting to influence the decision of other members that they will not vote on the matter. Rule seven covers the council chambers. Rule seven a city council chamber indicates that the council chambers will be under the supervision and control of the city manager's office when the council is not in session. Rule 7B covers activity that is prohibited in the City Council chamber and that portion of the City Hall which is visible from the City Council chambers. Specifically that certain signs and placards are prohibited in the chamber. If somebody is to bring a sign or placard into the chamber, the presiding officer will order that person to remove it. If they refuse to remove it, then they are authorized to direct the city manager to cause the sergeant at arms or a police officer to remove the person. 7C is removal for disorderly conduct. If someone disrupts the business of your council or causes a disorder, the presiding officer may require them to immediately cease or leave the meeting. And lastly, rule eight, which deals with the amendment and or suspension of the rules. Rule eight A covers amendment of rules. These rules may be amended, where new rules adopted by a majority vote of the council. All amendments must be submitted in writing at a meeting proceeding in this formal action to amend. And rule 8B, which covers the suspension of the rules, any part of the rules not governed by the city code or the city charter, can be temporarily suspended at any meeting, and this requires a majority vote of all members present. And that concludes my presentation. Thank you, Lena. Let's see if we've got questions. Councilmember Watts. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just a question. Thank you, first of all, for putting it together. And, you know, definitely going through it and taking the time to do that. You know, there is a few things that I think we probably can look at changing. I just had a couple of questions on it. It said in there that the start time for a study session is 630. Is that something we changed to the 6 o'clock, but in this rule, it still says 630s. Is that one of those items? Yes, yes. The, in it say, that's one of those items. Okay. Here's some three places. Well, it appears in two places. It appears in the rules and that appears in city code also. Okay. And so there's a, just, just in the existing we know. Yes. And then rule on agenda is rule to a Getting the agendas on Fridays is that something that can be changed We're maybe we can get it on Thursdays and have an email to us. Is that before goes on the website on Fridays? I don't know if that's all of those things would be subject to change these are counsel your counsel rule Okay, right and and that would be some that's definitely one that would have to be coordinated with the city manager to make sure it's possible. Of course, I mean, we've discussed in our vision session, I just was curious about that. And then lastly, on the Pro Tem situation, is there a term limit on Pro Tem? Can a Pro Tem serve consecutive, can they be voted in the second time? And can they, there is no limit on okay and the rules for that it just says the term that they fill is for two years. Oh okay that's all thank you very much. Great questions. Next, who's got questions? Mayor Pro Tem? And all these questions if you don't want me as the mayor pro-tem, you can all just I'm right here. I'm just kidding. This is a great way to start with these rules. And I know we're going to be moving on to some other things, but I think definitely the goals need to be to address these quickly along with the charter as we'll talk about the next agenda item here. But thank you very much, Lena. Very welcome. Thank you. Next any more questions? You know, ultimately my goal with this was just to, you know, like I said, to review and make sure we have a better understanding of the rules. It's a reminder for me that we need to limit our speaking to twice while letting everyone speak once before we go to that second round and I know we've had some round threes and so let's let's be cautious. That way the meeting can move along. We can have less 11 o'clock at Germans and so on. So that's for that. And if we, you know, we also need to consider if there's any changes we would like to consider as we go down the line. I mean, I know it's late and we may not want to debate the changes yet, but it's something to consider and then we can bring this back for consideration if there's any rule changes that we would like to entertain. So I will talk about that just for a second. I mean, all of the counts, I've maintained since I've started here, these are council rules. I should not drive what goes in them. I can make recommendations. I can facilitate the changes, but that's my philosophy is these are council rules. There are your rules. You should be driving those as a body. I don't want to get in a position where I think this is a great idea and I put it before you just recommend you change that. We need to have those discussions and the format that would take is yet to be determined. I will say in my history be determined. I will say in my history the council rules are something that there's that are constantly changing. They're in Lena Schickener head to she came from a different jurisdiction as well as they're always evolving and when you change councils there's a different preference. The new council collectively shouldn't be bound by what a previous council in 2002 adopted. And what works for the new council may be entirely different, but that's what I can help facilitate that, but that's really a council driven process. Now on top of that, you also have the issue of what's in conflict with state law, what's in conflict with the city code, and what's in conflict with the charter. That hands down needs to be changed. And what it's changed to is also a subject of conversation, whether or not we want to defer to what's in the code or change the code to what's in the rules. The charter takes a vote of the electorate. So you can't assume that will change until you ask for the electorate to make that decision in a charter amendment election. Thank you. Councilmember Joy Nilean. Is there a dress code? It is, it is, it is silent. Yeah, there's a dress code. It doesn't allow for, for blue plaid shirts to be. plaid. That's it. That's it. Specifically red ties. And red with red ties. Yeah. Second time motion. Yeah, I was going to say do I hear a motion? Second. This is a conversation. Time out. That was a completely. That was a completely analytical question. Don't read anything into it. Just answered was is there a dress code? There is not a dress code. Good question. All right. Councilmember Cushing. Okay, so I can get behind the few round rule in city council meetings, but I'd advocate for the third round maybe in study sessions. I know some people don't like the 11 o'clock meetings, but that process is helpful for me. So I just wanted to make that comment and I'm okay with the dress code, Jim. Thanks. Thank you. Good. Good. With a fellow flat shirt on, yes. First. It's totally fine to consider a rule change. It's just a matter of a vote as a council. So council member Jordan, you had some to add before I move forward? Well, I thought she did mention that you can have third rounds if you want. Didn't she mention that? or an L.E.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.S study session and you can suspend that rule. The presiding officer is allowed to allow for more discussion should they wish to do so. But would that be a vote of the council to suspend that rule? Or is that the presiding officer's discretion? That specifically is at the presiding officer's discretion that can be appealed by another council member. Yeah and the appeal would then go to the council body. Okay. All right. So there's a wiggle room. Yes, all right. And there's a check and a balance on a tyrant that's running the meeting. I mean, the meeting. I have my mask on so nobody can see who sent that, right? All right. Anybody else? Thank you, Lena. Thank you for bringing this to us. And this queues us up also for the next part of the discussion, which is city attorney goals. And I'm just going to start off by saying, by saying, you know, help us update the rules and help us, you know, get our code up to date with, with a, you know, Colorado by statute. And everything I think is a great start. Now as we have this discussion, I just wanna see what else would we want to entertain as far as Goals for our city attorney he just got retained for his for another round and I think it's important that Jack has some goals that that we could That would be helpful for us to you know move along better as a council and I entertain any questions and I know some of that might change especially as we get a new city manager coming in. They might have some input as far as what would be some good things that would be helpful here in this city. So we've got any comment there for them. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, I definitely think that the ability for us to have a formal moment through our human resources department, probably because of the things that we need to discuss just to be open about it in an executive session where we sit down and we talk through those goals and make them more formal would be the best way to go about this. And after we have a new city manager because I think we discussed this earlier, I did at least with the mayor, Mr. Falconberg, the idea that we have a new city manager that has seen city attorney things happen and Sheer he is going to be able to really help us judge what? Way we need to go with certain goals. I think would be helpful if you would agree, Mr. Bajorak. I mean I think that would be the best way to go about this How do you feel? I Wouldn't say it's the best way, but it's definitely an option. And I think that way, that way you have the freedom of having that conversation amongst yourselves to come to a consensus and then give that assignment to me, just like any other employee, an employer, you know, a number of bosses could then direct the employee. This is what our priority is collectively that's what we decided. How you go about hashing that out amongst yourselves that's you've proposed one way. I will say that bringing in a new city manager will change this especially if you get somebody qualified that has some experience. They might have to think I talked about earlier. They might have something that's, you know, the best things that's sliced bread and they want to institute it and they need my help. Well, that should be one of the priorities if Council's on board, you know, and you won't know that until you make that selection or until at least you have the interviews. All right. Thanks. I think we can. In other words, we need to be once or that. If not the best way, I just, I didn't explain it well. I think that you should be in that room when it's happening so that we can like really discuss through things that have happened in the past that we could go forward with goals is what I meant by that. But yeah, totally understand. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Thanks, Mr. Pizzort. All right. That sounds like a great thing to do is in the next several weeks, we will have a new city manager. And let's all think of what kind of goals that we should discuss with Mr. Bajorak and help them move along and so we can, of course, make Brighton a great place to be. Anybody else have any discussion to add to this? Council member Pushing. Yeah, I mean, Michael would be that we just have really an objective approach and when City Council brings up things we want to accomplish kind of look at it like with an open mind of how can we make this happen and often it it may be sometimes feels like, you know, we're hearing like all the reasons we can't make it happen. We're not really feeling the ways we could or the creativity around, you know, around what can be done versus what cannot. And I know that sometimes that's just, you know, legally it doesn't make sense. But being kind of the end users here, we need to be walked through that process so that we understand and we learn and we know what's possible and what isn't. I think that would be super helpful. That's really my big one. Thanks. So rather than saying we can't do a certain thing, walk us through the steps, how to make it happen. Or yeah, even what we could do, even if it may be sounds ridiculous or it's maybe not you know financially feasible, just this is what it would take to do what you want to do. Just walk us through that even though it may be sounds completely impossible just knowing that this is yes it's doable but here's what it's going to take to do that. Okay that's totally fair that's a good one. Anybody else? What's up to think about and we're you know like I said we're going to get a new city manager and so we will revisit this again in the coming weeks. Okay thank you. revisit this again in the coming weeks. Okay, thank you. Next, veterans march and traveling law. So Mr. Falconberg, will you help us queue this up here? Yes, we'd like to request that, tell some of the Watts, brought some ideas up. And these are a couple of them. Have him talk about that and get council input and buy in. But staff has spent a little bit of time researching both of these items. Primarily through Christian's group, and we do have some preliminary ideas for how we can accomplish both of these items. The one item traveling wall actually has a $10,000 cost to it. So that's the only big implication other than that. It's staff time and your input and direction to make both of these happen. And we just wanted to make sure that the council has a group discussion before we get too far down the road with either of these items. So maybe councilman Watts, if you could describe some of your ideas and then we can have Kristen also describe some of her options that she's come up with. Well, let's separate this out and make sure let's go into the veterans march first because I see two issues here. There are two separate parts of this. And I prepared a presentation that you're only taking more than about 90 minutes. So, okay, we get on that. No, the first one is something that just came about last year at the time, and I've given the idea a couple times to Mr. Falkberg and Danny Sherder with Chris. And then they asked me to join him in a meeting with him. We discussed it and it's really about. So larger cities city then for instance has a veterans March where where the veterans they get together with some of the public anymore. They go down a certain area and they work through a few line of streets. It's really a thinking the veterans type of a situation. There's this very elaborate. They have a big festival at the end. Those things, I mean, you know, things I've envisioned was helicopters landing on the fields fly over by the blue angels, which is not going to happen. That's my vision. But really we talked about having the veterans in town. We can. It was really low cost. We're going to use the armory kind of getting ahead on myself and a few things. So really low cost seems like it's a go for it. It's good to go. We'd like you guys to input on it and how you think it would work. But the way it would start out is veterans could, in Christian can chime in a little bit, but you know we could get a registration similar on our website to see who would be interested in walking on it. Have a staging area around the, we say the promenade area, the, oh, pavilion, I'm sorry, I said promenade. Pavilion area, started by there, walk up and through to the founders plaza, we're not going to be blocking off any roads of any kind. We'd like to go down bridge to the armory, but then that would require us to utilize more resources at and cost more money that we don't think we need to do at this time and ended at Founders Plata, not a far walk especially for guys like myself that would be walking in it and ended Founders and hold a small festival at the Armory, which is great with our, the cost that is very minimal with it to none. And look at getting a couple local bands to perform, two to three bands, putting out some stuff there for the food trucks to come in. Now, obviously all of this is contingent on what our event stages could be. You know, we can't really, as a city, really put anything, we can have the plan in place and we wanna do it, but we're not gonna go out there looking for food trucks or any of those vendors, and so we know for sure that it can actually be done. And it's good to go, it's just, it depends on what the crowd size is for the most part. The cost is about 2000, I think we talked about, could be less, we would not charge a fee for the vendors to be there. It's kind of like letting them come in there and having some memorabilia they could sell, some military memorabilia they could sell inside the armory. We chose there versus Carmichael because of the time frame. It's November 7th. It was the date they were looking at. We can walk in the colder weather. It's just having something outside in case there's inclement weather that could produce from being out there for an eight time of the event. But having live music throughout the day, maybe getting some speakers in that are, some veteran speakers that can come in and talk about their experiences, reaching out to the branches of the services having him and set up boost. And they can, you know, talk about their materials for their branches and recruiting purposes and get information out there for our community and for both the youth and for our veterans who have passed in prison. That is that first subject. It would be a short walk ending at founders with a little festival at the Armory. Again, costs is maybe 2000. If that is something I know, Christy could probably chime in a little bit on that and trying to keep the logistics very low with trying to block off any streets or want to avoid doing any of that if possible, the best of the ability of the staff. We don't want to hinder anybody's Saturday, for instance. That's the first one. Any questions on that? Or yes, I have the member. Just some suggestions. Two things you can utilize in the armor area are, are they talking to the library and having anything maybe have a way about the military? And armory way way the issue would be or the resource would be to have military vehicles if they want to be there. So that was Mr. Montoya brought that up about getting, you know, working with the men in the guards and then bringing some vehicles out. You know, obviously it'd be really great to have a helicopter there. You know, but it's hard to do, especially during the veterans weekend as it is. It's hard to get those things. There's more things involved. The idea I gave to Kristen and Mr. Montoya are on there to them to find out the things going on. It was just me getting the idea of them and then kind of agreeing to the idea and as you know, for the events to do that. And I think what you brought up is great. And we talked about one of the things that we're using in depot are really the idea of coming up towards flip founders and over to the armory was to give exposure to those areas of our city to bring people around there. And it's really about the surrounding areas. It's the Kingsburgs, the Fort Loftains, the Hudson's, the Henderson's, those areas. And kind of really bring a lot of awareness to our American Legion, our VFW post here in town, and really support our veterans. And in here, what you brought up to having those vehicles there is great. It's like a touch of truck in a mini capacity. And it's awesome. If you could set up a display, that's even 1000 times better. If you could utilize the space of the depot for a walking through there with that in there. And I don't know if we want to get all that. That's up to the city staff on that one. I mean, they're going to be open. I'm sure to any council ideas we have and whatever works logistically speaking. You know, my vision was just to have this walk panel like what Denver does and have it here locally for us because there's a lot of cities around us that would really like to do it and not have to want to go to Denver and really come to Brighton. It would bring a lot to our local economy here and really show support for what we had to live in. Now there's a lot of veterans in town. I mean my street alone is probably got eight or nine. There's a lot of veterans in town. They might street alone, so I got eight or nine. So, I have one more thing. You can't get the blue angels maybe, but maybe the international guard. Is either flyover bright not too long? Right. The thing with the flyovers from a, we wouldn't, it's really like, like even when our president uses a supply over his, a festival in DC, it's their training days, it's their training time. And we're going to be doing it the same weekend that Denver is going to be doing theirs. And Denver is going to trump all when it comes to like getting the kind of big vehicles like that. We want to just do something locally for our residents, our surrounding area to avoid them having to go to Denver. We have a many veteran, we have Kingsburg's American Legion there, we've got ours here, we've got a lot of veterans in the surrounding area that would just come to Brighton and want to be part of us. And really would really bolster our Main Street area and kind of add to that. And we can have our local businesses out there and I don't want to main drop anything really But like have some of them that might have some kind of venues they use and they could have their booths and and their Literature so they can talk about their businesses in the areas. Well, it doesn't have to be just about That it can be about promoting the the business as well and again, let me preface this by saying that This all depends on governor Polis' rules. If we are essentially a go to use that word, it's really about what he allows. If come September, it's all good to go and we can have numerous, you know, events can be out there again. Then then the planning station going there with um um getting the food truck vendors lined up and we want to use local people, obviously, so hopefully the city would put that out there for the local businesses as Kristen and probably chime in. But just, you know, I mean, I'm very passionate about it. It's I don't know if you're near my voice, but I think this will be a great idea for all of our veterans. I mean, it's an awesome experience for them. I may have been a little pretty premature in talking about it before we discussed it here in Council. And I apologize for that, but it was, I just very happy that it's something that, you know, we've been talking about for, I've been talking about for a little bit of a year now and wanted to kind of agree to the forefront. I think, you know, hopefully everybody likes the idea and we want to go forward with it before I talk about the wall because the wall is the biggest, the biggest thing I want to talk about. But is there any other questions, Mr. Mayor? Any more questions about this Veterans March. Okay talk about the law. So the law is something that is not a done deal as of yet. And this would take as I said before this would take approval by all of us on Council. Really so the way that let me first start by saying if you've ever been to the memorial, whether you're a veteran non-veteran doesn saying, if you've ever been to the memorial, whether you're a veteran, non-veteran, that doesn't matter. If you've ever been to that memorial and you've seen it and you walk through it, that whole area there on the national mall just with all of our memorials, all of our conflicts we've had as a nation, and then you go to that wall and you walk down it and you touch it and you know you can feel the presence of the people that are written on that wall. You really can. It's really an awe-inspiring thing to do and they do a great thing where they have a traveling wall that they go to cities each year and there's an application process involved with it and the application in Christen would have to chime in on the exact day, but I think it's by end of August, we have to have an application in by with a $1,000 initial fee of the 10. And then they're going to decide by October for the host cities for the next year. Now Colorado has not had one in a few years, and Brighton would be a great pick. You know, coming back to Colorado and Brighton would be a great pick, you know, coming back to Colorado and Brighton as the choice part would be awesome. This would not be done over the veterans day time frame because it's in November and they like to do these are states like Colorado and you're in northern and in your northwestern states more of a summertime because of the weather. So we'd be looking at a summer time event. We do it here at Caram Michael Park. The wall is large. They said we need about two. I think it's 200 yards. To effectively display it with the trailer with the walk through the walking down the wall. So that's why I would say right here behind City Hall, the perfect spot for it. It's about a three to four days showing they arrive right here behind City Hall the perfect spot for it. It's about a three to four days showing they arrive set it up the next day they're showing it throughout the day. Then the last day it's torn down to think it's a Thursday through Sunday type of event. And really it's it's 10,000 large total. It's 10,000 large total. We would pay 1,000 up front if we don't get selected. The 1000, I believe, is refunded. I'm pretty sure it's funded. If we are selected, we'd be a host city. And there's only, I want to say maybe 12 or 14 host cities each year throughout the nation. And it's publicized. It's huge. We draw a lot of traffic around the state into our into Brighton that would come into these businesses. You know, I'm sure we could the city could work with some stuff and maybe have a something around, you know, I don't know. I mean, local vendors around the outside of it in the you've never touched it, if you've never just anything, it's incredible. And to be able to have our veterans past and present that may have someone that's on the wall to see their name on that wall that's here because it's the identical one of the one in DC and it would be it would be well. I know my brother-in-law, his brother was KIA and Vianna, and he's on that wall. I took a picture of that when we were there in DC, and he's on that wall. There's a family part of that to see that as well. It's great that the youth can have field trips in the summer. Now again, hopefully things are cleared up and we can have these youth events and we can have these field trips and those things next summer. But places can come here and we're not just talking bright and we're talking to everybody around us. People from Denver are going to bring groups here to see this wall. People from Fort Collins from Cheyenne. They're going to come here to Brighton, Colorado to see our city. We'll be on display if we're selected and we would have this beautiful piece of art in our backyard essentially and I think it would be an awesome thing. But again, it's up to the majority of some sort of financial reasons. I know that 10,000 is kind of within different budget to tarry, budget to tarry. Budget to tarry. Departments, but I think definitely since we are spending money and this is a time when we don't really have the money, it's up to the council's support of whether or not we should proceed with this or not. But I will lastly add that the application will have to be done with the next probably within a month. Okay, any questions? Let's go count them on their hunger and then blockers. One more benefit to having the wall here is so that because I'm proud of our display out. Yes. of our display out for us. And can we get more eyes on that? And we had, was it 600 or more people for the initial unveiling of it in that tiny little space and everybody was impressed. And I think the two go well together and would complement each other. But obviously it would get our wall at a more display, a little more exposure. Definitely. And I like the idea anyway, because I've seen the wall. Thank you. Got some under blockers. Thank you, Mayor. Well, I am in favor of trying to do this. One point of clarification, Councillor Watt, you said that you need an area that's 200 yards long or 200 feet. 200 yards is a long way. Yeah. It's doable in's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, that's good. So this would have to be a 2021 budget item. Is that correct? So we wouldn't have to put the money up front. With the after that is. That is correct. They. I'm not speaking to the people in DC. It's a. We would have to put up a $1,000 upfront. And then the remainder would be after we were selected. They, um, might not be speaking to the people in DC. It's a, we would have to put up a thousand dollars upfront. And then the remainder would be after we were selected, which would not be till, um, we would not have to pay that until 21. It would, it would be the first within the first two months of 21. I, I, in my mind, it's all down to dollars and cents and, and coming up the funds. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I I hope that from my perspective, I'd like to see it, included at least for discussion point, was we go forward in the budget. Of course, I'm biased. I wasn't Vietnam, but I have friends and schoolmates that are on that wall. So, and we may have a contact as we plan going forward about some military assistance. That's all I'm saying. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next, Councilmember Tadea and then Mayor Brotem. So I had a thought. Two thoughts is there one way possibly that we could do a fundraiser to raise that money. And I had another one in there. I forgot it. I'll think of it. Sorry. I think, you know, so far, just really quick. What's a woman today, over the last couple of meetings, has had great idea on how to get the money for all these projects. So I think the fundraising is an awesome idea. If we could do it, you know, I mean, I think it's, I don't know how a city can do a fundraiser, but I'm all for it. I'll go out there and watch cars all day long for it. All right. I thought of the other one, or if there's a way to get grant money or, you know, wounded warriors is a big organization. They do a lot of fundraising, you know, to them $10,000 or even part of that would probably be very little. And again, because it is a really big deal it would really be neat to get it here for sure. And no I will not head the committee for the fundraiser. That's a good question. I meanett. I mean, fundraising. Have you seen something like this, turn into a fundraiser? In your time, on. We have, Kristen's group has more experience with that. What I thought I was hearing, Councilman Watts earlier was practicing for this application speech to the lodging tax committee, because that sounded like a lodging tax committee because that sounded like a lodging tax money to me, something that draws a large crowd from outside our community, people that come and visit. So that would be actually one of my initial suggestions is that you consider that. You know and that group has seen the lessening of some of their events taken sponsor with COVID. And so I mean, both of the ideas are in their infancy. I think they're both great ideas. I just want to make sure Council was on board so we can start plugging in your budget numbers. Turn, lose, Kristen and her special events team to really dive into the little details of all this. We can certainly make both of these events happen if there's council support for both of these. And I don't want you to have to worry about fundraising and that sort of thing. Although I think there are some great creative ideas for we can do some creative fundraising and turn this into a larger event. But don't let that hold back in terms of your direction to staff. Just say, hey, we love these ideas. Go make them happen. That's really what we need to hear tonight. Thank you. Next, I saw mayor pro tem earlier and then council member fishing. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. I've never had my thunder stone so much with what I was gonna say so well by previous members and Mr. Falkenberg. I mean, I was first gonna say, you never gave yourself enough credit, Councilor Humbert, with what you did to make the Vietnam memorial happen. It was and former Council members, including the former mayor, Councillor Blackhurst also when you were involved in city goery. What you all did for that was spectacular. And now we have a chance to highlight it. It's really cool opportunity. And Councillor Blackhurst, you're right. We need to think about where to cut back. I just don't personally think this is where it's at. I think this is the idea that we need here. And I guess I would say I would like to fund this one way or the other. I mean this is, it's a lot of money and every dollar we should account for. I think definitely, but the 10,000 I think we should, that's a discretionary expense that we can make from certain accounts also that can just happen with barely any direction from Council. I mean, we've spent more money from at a city staff level. We don't even have to discuss this. I appreciate that it was brought up sure that we declare Councillor Watts the one to really leave this with staff as much as we can so he can just take this on and go with it the way because your passion is admired. And so I would say we do those two things is like let's say let's do this. And the lodging tax thing that you mentioned previously in the pre-meeting, that's what I was going to comment on. I mean, I think that's a good opportunity to pay for this also. And, Councilor Blackhurst, we appreciate your, I'll say respectfully, economic, goal, thriftiness that we need. So you always have it. So I appreciate it. We need to think about that every dollar. So that's all I have. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Councilmember We need to think about that every dollar. So that's all I have. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Council member Kishin. I just wanted a second, as today is, I've done fundraising. You know, there's some opportunities with, you know, vendors that want to come in and, you know, there's a fee that you go along with and to help fund this. There's even some maybe opportunities for them to say a percentage of your purpose or your purchase goes towards the veterans' causes. So I think there are some fundraising opportunities here not only just for Brighton and to fund the event but to even fund some of the veterans' charities. So just want to second that. Thank you. Thank you. you know, I'm sure he's just running for, you know, second that. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else want to add to the discussion? You know, um, Council member Watts, I see a lot of support for this so far and you know, thank you. Thank you to the staff members that have brought this up before us. I look forward to having this in our community and really showcasing and highlighting Brighton as a really positive place while bringing in a very somber event. And it looks like Councilmember Pollock has her hand up now. while bringing in a very somber event. And looks like Councilmember Pollock has her hand up now. Thank you, Mayor. Well, I understand that we have to worry about the financial part, but we need to take into consideration that we didn't have the barbecue. And that I'm sure costs us right around that kind of money, if I'm not mistaken. So I think that you just get the money that we would have used from there for this other celebration. It's still a celebration. And so I think we can work around that and maybe see what we can get from the lodging tax. And I think we can put the money together. I'm not too excited about fundraisers. It's kind of you have to keep track of the money and I don't like that. But like I say, we have a few dollars, I think, though we could use towards it. I think it's a great idea. Very happy to be involved in that. Certainly, we wouldn't be sitting here today if it wasn't for our veterans. So yeah, so we can give a few bucks here and there and I think we'll be just fine. I talked to Kristen and she'll figure out how much money we saved that we can use because we use it every year. It's not like we don't use it every year because we do. I have a barbecue every year. And I think we might have saved a few dollars even on the 4th of July. Am I correct? Because we didn't order a whole bunch of fireworks we used what we had. Am I correct? Does that time you can answer? I think we spent the same amount on the fireworks. I'll be saved a little bit on the concert. There you go. So, you know, every dime will help us. Every dollar will help us to get to the $10,000 goal. If that's a Mr. Watts thing since gunner take. They say where there's a will, there's a way. I always like to look for money. So, I'll be on that except I don't like fundraisers. It's too much work, but anyway, yeah, we absolutely support it, Tim. Councilman Watts, sorry. I wanna get too personal here anyway. Thank you. Great, thank you. Next, Councilmember today. Did I see your hand wave? Yes, it was suggested to me by a resident. We can also get corporate sponsorship too. By a resident, we can also get corporate sponsorship too. Reach out to some of the businesses. I know, I don't know if this is crossing the new lines or what, but United Power is very good about giving back to the community. It's just one idea. But I just want to add that real quick. I'm sure we could find a sponsor given the situation. May I put it down real quick? Also, I bet you are EDC would probably be willing to look at being able to pitch in at least just because of what this will bring in. So that's my last thought. Thank you. That it would be an economic driver for sure. All right. All right. Anybody else before we wrap it up? I take a moment because I got to count all the squares here. All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Last item on the agenda is called the City Council team building discussion. There's some discussion. Some council members have brought up. We need to find ways to have some more team building, whether it be something similar to what we had in March where we had a vision and planning session, something that we do possibly quarterly, something maybe where we, when bullying alleys are open, go bullying or axed-thirling or whatever it is. So I like to open this up for discussion. Council member Watts. You know, I go back to March 6th, every time I think about a great, I mean, we have great meetings, those, I mean, we have great discussions. We have, you know, the nine of us are really going to be great together, in my personal opinion. I feel that way now, and I'm sure I'll feel that way in a couple of years. I think everybody brings a great thing to the table. It's just that when I looked back on March 6th and I saw that vision planning and you know, Councilman today was there as well before she was elected and she was in there and watched it and saw it and she was part of it and I was happy to have her there and it was great for her to be part of that as well. And I looked back on that and that was an incredible day. We got to talk about things, we got to really, you know, drawing the pictures was awesome of what our visions was and where we thought we'd like to see things in a few years. And we just need more of those, more of those things. And really the team building thing, just to kind of get us all working together. And it's the extra imports good. I know that I'd be all in favor of paintball at the course of time as long as I get to pick the teams but um you know I just I think there's so many things we can do together as a council that we can get together with it's and, you know, tell some of the question, I had discussed a little bit, and it was, it's really, it's a good idea for us to just kind of like, not talk shop, but get to know each other. It's hard when you get elected. There was four of us that got elected this year. And four new people that have probably, you know, maybe a couple of you know each other, but I really didn't know anybody up until I started running for office and it's, you know, they get really to know people and learn about them and really bond with it. I mean, COVID has been tough for us. It's, it's taken away those, you know, us being able to have personal conversations before meetings, just one or one without talking about business or about the city and and it's it's taken away from those from that and I think we just need to kind of get back to you know being together leading together and having these vision sessions and doing these team buildings and whether it's dinner or not it's just really you know doing it without making a public notice. I mean, can we do that? And just having some fun. And I'm all at every else chime in. I just wanted to kind of say that. It was a great idea. They counseled my recursion brought up to me and I thought it was, I think it'd be good for us all, you know, moving forward. I think it'd be great for all council's future, present and all. Thank you. Anybody else? Getting late. Can't remember a cushion. Yeah, I just, yeah, I think it's a good idea for us to have those opportunities, especially with COVID. It's been a little bit tough for us to, you know, kind of work through some of those scenarios like we did during that event. And I think those opportunities do help us work together. So yeah, I think it's good idea. Thank you, Council Member Pollock. And I agree. I think that we need to work together because since March, we have all been under a whole lot of stress. COVID has really done a solid number. And sometimes I can speak for myself. I've gotten a little grumpy because I didn't like how things were happening. And like most of you did not. I'm a little bit different a little more vocal about it but I just was very passionate about my concerns with what was happening with the nursing homes and the parks and all of that stuff. And it's stressful because we really have so many people to answer to and we really couldn't answer. It was nothing we could do about it. And so I think to try to get to normal and be, you know, we're not bad people, we just, it was quite a thing that was thrown on us, not only us, the whole country, the whole world. And so, yeah, that's a good way to kind of get to know each other as just people, not just council, but people. And so, yeah, I think it's a great idea. Now we've got to find the money to go do all that stuff here we go again you've got me thinking but that you know we'll figure it out but I think it's a good idea. Thank you. Next council member Humbert and then today after that. Next council member Humbert and then today or after that I like it and it's You learn more about people and I learned this in high school in a couple of visit teaching classes that you learn a person's personality by the way they play and It doesn't matter what age and And I think that's great. The only thing I would be against is a tomato war. Feel like we've had a few of those virtually. Next, council member today. I would just like to concur, especially since I'm the new kid on the block. I don't know everybody as well as you guys. You got a little head start on me. I'm not doing paintball unless you wrap me in bubble wrap. And then give me a head start. I think. I'll remember Jordan Ellie. I'm going to be a little bit contrarian. I do appreciate everyone here and I've made friends with almost everybody. We're getting along great. I don't want it to get away from we are here for our constituents and our ward. I don't want this to look like a good old boys club like we just came out of. So I know there's got to be a happy medium there and I may sound a little negative but I'm really not negative. I want to be great friends with everyone here but I also want to keep a perspective. I'm not here for you guys. I'm here for my constituents. I think we all are. But I just had to make the point because it's getting a little too bubbly in here right now. Good thing. Thank you. You know, I think we can still represent all the people that brought us into this office well, finding ways to team build and respect one another. Thank you. Anybody else? Mayor Proton. Maru, quick, I just, you're usually the bubbly one. You come in with that pragmatic talk. I just was really taking back Councillor Gernelli. But I definitely think it's important that we do something like that and maybe even off campus somewhere further away overnight because we're not spending, we were spending $600,000 a year, three years ago going to conferences and things that got cut in half by previous counsel in this council. We started, we stopped that. Now we have large amounts of money dedicated to a budget to do something that we don't have to spend much to do. I think it might still be a good idea, but make sure we do remain in perspective. That was a great point, Councilor Gernelli. Thanks. Thank you. Anybody else? Clint, I have a heard from you. Wake up. I'm studying for our big exam coming up tomorrow the next day. I think it's a good idea. I think we probably need to have our new city manager with us when we go for this team building because with a new leader I think we need to know them, a man or woman, whoever it might be. But I like Matt's idea of maybe getting out of town someplace. If that won't reach out that way. If we do that, I'll try to reach out that way. Yes. That might be a good discussion question as we're doing our interviews this week is, you know, ways we found they found to do better team building with the councils they've worked with in the past. So some to consider. All right. Anybody else want to add anything? All right. Well, thank you everybody. If there's nothing else, we stand adjourned. Thank you.