She calls she didn't text right That's legal still all right CGTV you guys on Are you ready system? It's a lot cheaper than Valorant go ahead and start by doing item number one Roll call please There why not here Here. Here. Butler. Here. Butler. Here. Butler. Here. Here. Thank you. Let's move on to our second item of the day. This is for public non-agenda items. Do I see any hands? Please step forward. State your name for the record on the microphone. Let us know what you're talking about. He's not on yet. Hello? Hello? There we go. We Hollywood guys. Really stressful. Hello? There we go. That's working. We're getting signs up in the back now. Got the high sign. Mel Blumenthal, part time resident's advisory board. As some of you know, we had a reception, our winter reception, a couple of weeks ago at the viceroy. I want to just thank Mayor Boino and other council members who showed up. It was well beyond our expectation. It was hosted by the Visroy in beautiful fashion and really went very well and we had huge turnout. And so hopefully we can repeat that, but I just wanted to thank everybody for being involved and it was the part-time residence that were there. Learned a lot. The ski company was represented in the mayor, talked about the town, and things went very well. So thank you. Now, how often do you have those meetings? Well, we have two semiannual meetings. And we meet monthly, and we have the winter reception. I think we're going to talk about combining the winter reception to our one of our semiannual meetings just because they fall so close together. And the next one will be the next semiannual big community thing will be in July and we'll get that out. Very good. Thank you. Thanks, Mel. Anyone else for a non-agenda? Call it comment. Seeing none, move off to item number three. Council updates. Do we have any updates at this time? Mr. Lewis? No. Mr. Wolk? No. And I don't have any other other than just saying that I think we've had a very good week and hopefully it continues, but I think we'll be seeing our trend as it was before the Christmas week. Moving on to item number four, Resolution number three, series 2010, interview and appoint boards and commission members. Miss Ronda. Okay, I have a couple. I have the Arts Advisory Board. You have an additional applicant page who is taking the board. In the past and I guess we misplaced her application but she has submitted another one. So we'd like to add her to the list and she's also on Cumban. And also under the part time residence advisory board, there's only one vacancy and one applicant. Susan DeSaint, I don't know if I'll see you up. Paul, she called today and said she has made other commitments and would like to have her name pulled and there's actually only one vacancy and that will be for a three year term for John Barrett. Very good. Thank you. Okay. So this time we've got a few groups and generally what we do is we'll look at our applications, we've looked at over the weekend, and if we have any questions now would be the time, and or if you'd like to make a statement of why you'd like to be appointed. Starting off with the Arts Advisory Board, it says we have four applicants by vacancies. We have Carol Batchelder, Marybeth Blake, Doug Kasper, and then Paige Schuck. Do we as a council have any questions that we'd like to ask with those folks? No, they all do a great job. And Mr. Kasbears resume. You cut the paper a little bit that was very impressive by the way. Very impressive. Cedets was digitally. No. Yes you have. Well it's very impressive we're glad you live here work here contributes over at much. Yeah we're glad you're here in residence at the ranch. It's a fantastic organization. We shape people like you being there and helping us. Don't hear any questions from the board. So at this point, I think you all can be assured that you're going to be appointed at that board. We, that's it. So You can go. Thank you. I think we should make them safer for a poll council. I do not think we should do that. We will not have them reapplying. We do that kind of stuff. I think we have a few more vacancies. We may want to fill. Next we have the Financial Advisory Board. Here it says we have three vacancies and two applicants. The applicants we have are Carolyn Purvis and David Ruchowski. And those are both people who have served on this board. And I appreciate they're continuing to want to continue. We have some bright people helping us there. Any questions? Any statements? You know, since you guys did come, I'll give you the floor to have any comments that you may want to make. David? Oh, come on. Give you your opportunity. You know, you're just such a good, OK, Carolyn. Again, thank you, too. Yeah, thank you, sir. I think you are again, two folks that are going to reappoint. The move forward with the next phase of whatever happens here. Ronda? Well, I just like to remind everybody who is currently on a board or being appointed to a board with those that we have open positions. Please feel free to encourage people to sign up. We did put an ad in the paper for four weeks in a row. And most of the people we got were in combat. So if you know anybody who's interested in serving on the financial advisory board or any other of the boards, please refer them to me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Renda. John Wilkerson, a question in that regard. Do we ever have problems with forms or meeting the requirements that we don't have the right number of people there? No. We have it with the FAB. Sometimes more of an issue would be getting anything done if nobody shows up. But as you can see, the art support has been very, very effective and they have the largest board. How many total numbers? How many total numbers on the board? How many total numbers on the board? They can have up to 15. The minimum five up to 15, but there's no requirements except for that. Very good. Are there any other boards that have a minimum requirement number of positions? Well, it specifies in the code how many members on each board. So those are what we try to fill as far as positions go. But like I said, the Arts Advisory Board is a minimum of five or the most of not more than 15. All of our other boards specify seven, five, five. So, and normally we have all of the positions filled and if they're not filled we will advertise again or do a little push out the community and try to get the positions filled. Just one member on a board here there is not usually a huge concern. It's mostly when we have four or five vacancies with a seven person board. Next we have the Citizens Grant Review Board. Shows that there is one vacancy, zero applicants, and that again is a very rough And that was a resignation of Bianca Hooker. Right. So we need to, you know, boost that one up by one, if we can at some point in the next year. But that board basically has done their thing most recently, and that's usually a couple of meetings and look at all our human service organization budget and arts and other budgets that the monies of the town tries to doll out fairly and remember it is was one of the things when I was on council Years ago that council sat in it worked on and I think it's appropriate that we have the citizens helping us look at that. We appreciate you doing that. But right now we don't have anybody applying so we'll do away with that one. Next we have the marketing special events in group sales board shows one vacancy at an at-large position with two applicants. And Mayor Boyano on that one, Julianne Woods has applied for two different positions within our boards and she is out of the country till Wednesday when it's unable to attend. Okay. Well, this is one board that we have some competition for. Do we as a council have any questions of the member who is an incumbent, Peter Moore, that we'd like to talk to Peter about, or help us make a decision of either Julie and or Peter when the time comes. We'll need some voting papers at some point later on. Peter, I haven't asked anybody else to step up and make an statement, but seeing as Julie's out of the country, she can't say much. Do you have anything you'd like to let us know? Why should we should reappoint you? Peter, if we could ask you to come up to a microphone, please. I was interested in conversation a couple of weeks ago and we met with you and discussed the budget and the other stuff. And having been on the board since its inception, I think that we've made a lot of progress. I think we have some significant issues in front of us. Communication was clearly one that you identified. But I'd just like to say that I think that what got lost maybe in that conversation was how effectively the board and the council worked together to make the joint decision about jazz, asses, and snow, mass, liberate festivals. And I think it was our responsibility to give you the business case for it. It was yours to reflect on that and then incorporate this sort of constituent political thing. I thought that process went very well. And I would look forward to continuing to do whatever I can to keep the process moving forward in the next three years. Thank you, Peter. Anybody have any questions, direct, Peter? Don't so many. Well, thank you, Peter. And for right now, you can leave. But you still may have to reappoint you. No. No. Council can do that. Is Julie interested in any other board? I see she can't have her planning. She's a planning for the planning. I see that. She's got a... She has a planning background. Yeah, she's got a great skill set. Okay. Okay. Next, we have the liquor licensing authority. We have two vacancies on that board. We have two applicants and incumbents. And no, they don't get to drink all meeting long. And test stuff out. Just water as we do here. But again, it's one of those boards that meets and has a very serious job. So we appreciate you two ladies continuing on and reapplying for those positions. Do you have any statements that you'd like to let us know or talk about in your dealings in the last year? Very good. Well, I think you too can also count on being reappointed. Next, we have a part-time residence advisory board. Here we have two vacancies and two applicants. One vacancy and one applicant. Thank you. He's a pretty good guy. So, I'm from Purdue. I don't see any questions or thoughts or him in the room. So we'll let that go. Next we have boards of appeals and examiners. We had two of the members here earlier this afternoon, out of the three we're applying, there are also three who have been doing this job and I think this board, most of these applicants in these positions have been around for a long time. And so if you put all their, you know, years together, it probably is over 125 years of combined, you know, time that they put in. So we appreciate those folks in their time. Planning commission, we have four vacancies and five applicants. The four vacancies are the members who have been sitting Bob Herbist on the Aiken, Tom Yokem, Robert Circus, and Julianne Woods has put her head into the ring. So this is going to take a vote here, and I would imagine. This board used to have more members, a couple alternates, but we decided that we'd like And we like everybody being able to vote. And so we have sort of gotten rid of the alternate. Thank you. So today we have in the room Bob Purvis, Don Aiken, Tom Yokem, and Robert Circus. So do you, for, have anything you'd like to let us know why we should read a point you or should we try to throw a mix of curve in there and put Julian there. I don't see hands jumping up and down for joy out there to speak. So I think we do need to unfortunately, Julian is out of the country. We're going to have to make a vote on this board and on... Is there anything else we have to vote on? The marketing board. Right, marketing, two applicants. So let us pass out the pieces of paper to the council. Can we get to it on one? Oh, yeah, do it on one. OK. So you have your last team here. Thank you. Well, you're going to have to put the ones on the marketing board and then the four from planning commission. Thank you. All right, so one, two, we're having to vote on. Both of them in the same one. Oh yeah. Rhonda can figure that out. It shouldn't take we're on to more than half an hour to count these up. We'll wait for her to do that. But no, again, I just want to say thank you to everybody in the community who is putting the time in as a volunteer position? It's one of those jobs that gets you more involved in the community. And we like seeing people being involved. And unfortunately we can't appoint everybody. Sometimes there is a place. Marky has an update if we have a moment. Marky, go ahead with your update. Oh, I was going to ask, where are we with a snow meltup on the mall? Well, I bring that up or can't bring it up. Sure, you can bring it up. It's not the town's property. I know it's not our property. So it's not much we have to do to say about it. What's the, we were to have an update. I've informed the property owner that there continues to be concerns both from your party and community members. And so is it's interest now. And I have personally seen a couple of still. Yep. Yep. I was up there today and it looked kind of nice but did a lot shoveling over the weekend or who knows what they got it working. Sunday was oh they do. Well it's after not lunch. Yeah it's when the when the sun comes out. Yeah. You know, gets around it? I'd like to congratulate Peter Moore, and I'd like to let you know that you have a tie for planning commission, so I suggest that you vote again when Mr. Morkin gets here or you. So I guess we'll have to vote again when Mr. Morkin gets here. Okay, thank you. This is Spence. So, right now, I guess you can all go away and we will call the members of the tie. I can tell you who the tie is between if that. Well, I don't think that's fair right now. I think we need to wait. If we're going to wait for Morton, he may have a total different thing. You know, we'll think we should just go forward from that. Okay, so let us move on, but anyway, as we were talking momentarily about the mall, yeah, there's some slips up there, but I guess Russ was saying that you've let the landlord know, but as far as the town goes, do we have any recourse that we can do to force the issue? No, I mean the fix is of significant replacement of the heating elements. And as far as the reopt fees, at one point I understood that there was a big fee to do the work that was misunderstood, but it was a maintenance item, I guess. And because it isn't maintenance item, they're not going to be held to that same fee. I don't believe so, but again, they haven't further perceived the discussion. It's a relatively significant cost just to replace the system. That's the issue I think. And I think we'd also have to consider to, you know, when they do that, that would be a significant activity in the mall. Yeah. Because I heard last year they're going to have to basically tear the whole mall out. And they were going to try to do that at the end of last ski season. They put it off or something. But so that's it. Anything else, Markey? No, I'll save it for the end of the meeting. Okay. Thank you, Sally. So right now we will not continue on with this resolution number three, appointing all the positions until we have Mr. Morgan show up and cast his vote. And then we'll go from there to see what happens. So again, thank you. We can continue watching this on the tour, whereas Stacy didn't enjoy it with the rest of us. I do want to say while Tom Yolk comes in the room, thank you very much for all the efforts you have put in. I've been getting a lot of great responses from people using the ice skating rink. You know, let them know it's you and Jack, and a lot of other locals doing the shoveling and icing it down. Tom, microphone if you're going to... a lot of other locals doing the shoveling and icing it down. Don, microphone if you're gonna. Our best up here was to address this particular issue, but I'd like to thank Hunt particularly and the town, Kittle, and there's a bunch of people who have been helping out. And it's getting more and more popular. It could use a little bit more marketing, Kittle, and there's a bunch of people that have been helping out. And it's getting more and more popular. It could use a little bit more marketing, I think, because we could use it some more. But the challenge to ask men is threatening to use it. So for their programs, I think it's a pretty nice of a man to you. And it was done fairly reasonably on expense wise. So if we can support this further out, you're appreciated. What do you think it really has? You've had a lot of volunteer materials and donated materials in volunteer time. What do you expect a reasonable figure might be for if we didn't have the donor? Down the boards and labor and everything else. If you paid for it outright, you'd be pushing 20,000. Yeah. And that's, you know, that's, but I think in most cases, we'll have the boards next year. I think the liner will still work next year. We're going to lose the sand, et cetera, sub-base, but I think we get that donated. So I think you can do it for 15 on fairly regular basis. But you still have on going daily volunteer work just to do maintenance on the ice. You know you get that done on a volunteer basis because although roughly an hour getting like the midnight ice making is kind of burning us down but yeah we're getting more and more volunteers for that too and it's kind of a knowledge thing because we're learning how to do as we went along so we'd be more efficient next year. Is the size appropriate? You need to. The size is great. If you get more and more, if you get we can market a little better. I'd like to put a big sign down there. I've got a snowman a couple kids making it made out of wire with lights on it and like to put free skating rink down there and it would be lit and I'm sure Mr. Dresser would probably want some sort of bond or something for my sign ordinance. I hear you do have a sign down there that was is it still there? Yes it is. Our donor, our capitol donor, requested that sign be there and no rank to the rink. No, you rink until you get to sign. Okay, well good. Hey, Tom, are we ridding skates or where are you with? That would be, now there's something we could work on next year. I want to be bought my own skates. Maybe this year, but if we had rental skates, it would be more popular. Yeah, I'm hearing that from some of the tourists. Yeah, but the problem is who wants to remain rental skates for. Unless we could do it over at the rec center. I might think that. I take it over that project as a roadie project and haven't gotten that far on it yet. But we hope to have something. I don't know why not. I know. It's not just the problem but the fact that we built it not knowing we're going to have anything and then also turned out great and we're going like now we need to market it. When you start doing that it does add a whole layer of more experience because you have maintained the skates and get them dry and spray them for athletes foot and whatever else you get in the shoes. Well you're knowledgeable. I used to play roller skating rinks on the rinks So I don't like doing that anymore Get your own states the words got out the marketing team upstairs has communicated to our hotels and lodges and So I think the word is getting Maybe do a regular bonfire or something on that order. I told you where the wood was come on up Mel buried a bird in a snowback. It's about a foot deep your bonfire or something on that order. I told you where the wood was. Come on out. Mel? Very, very snow-backed. It's about a foot deep. Yeah. Very high. I've got about four cords at least. Come on out. Talking about a forest project. Mel Blumenthal, Mel on my own. I just want to test to, because I had a lot of grandchildren here in the last three weeks and it was a big deal that I mean and I think it can be a real tourist attraction because I know my kids don't work California we don't have ice skates and so they were forced to go over to Aspen a couple of times where they really would have wanted to come here and I think there's a lot of people in the community I think maybe with the marketing committee next year get them to free up a few of the Millions of dollars they have to put together a rental operation because I think it can be a big deal for this community They really think so too. It's kind of cool outside. I didn't realize how nice it is to skate outside the daytime and at night It's it's kind of it's I'm I'm enthralled by how much fun it is just after skating around. So little music was a little music on. We'll get that done this year. And we may run by the set of sets to skate, but we haven't as yet. Your help would be appreciated. Thank you, Tom. Hey, thank you, Tom. You guys, we really appreciate it. Well, thank you. Okay. Moving on. We have a consent agenda set of items. Oh, yes thank you very much. I tried to bypass that. Okay item five for a series 2010 grants. We have Citizens Grant Review Board that has made some good recommendations here. Do you, Mary Lou, wanna talk about it a little bit? Tell the community what you did and what your object is where to place this money. and We have a lot of people who are close to being found. They are welcome. So we need and some of them. Yeah. Challenge asked to be the one that they can ask for. I'm back. Huge fundraising. They do quite well through their fundraising. So we have to break them. But it's all pretty much in line with our amount that we gave them in the previous meeting. What? Ronda? We couldn't hear you, but he got it. He got it. Okay. Thank you. We distributed the funds that we had to those that we felt most important. We kept it within what was last year, what we had given them last year in the previous years. So are there any questions? Mr. Wilkinson? You have any? Yeah, I've got a couple of questions. First I got to disclose that my wife sits on that board but we did not discuss in order have I seen any of the materials and she's very cognizant of any kind of conflict. So how do you determine the impact it has on snowmass village? Within their applications, they are required to tell us how many people in snowmass that they service and how many, whether it's children, adults, cancer patients, elderly, and we base it on that. And if the SNOMAS is not greatly impacted, but we still feel that it's a good cause in that some of the SNOMAS people could be impacted that we try to grant them a minimum amount. For example, which of the in mefrems to that which which of these are the ones that you felt that could but don't currently or would be that could be, you had said that, you know, they could have an impact on people in snowmats that don't have on their application. I'm just being real sensitive to the money that we have here. I like to, you know, keep it within our community as much as we can and I know that's what I wanted to hear. And the other thing is that because we have such a huge Latino population that comes from down valley and works within our town and we couldn't survive without them, that therefore when you've got something like Catholic charities that helps that a lot of the Latinos go to, we feel that supporting them and to help that population that is down Valley that, you know, and it's not just necessarily the Latinos. You know, we all have, Joe and I have employees that are living down there, so if they ever need it help. Something like the Roaring Fort Valley Early Learning Fund, it is based out of Glenwood, but it could impact, you know, the reading program, going into all the schools and helping the young children is before their school age, actually, preschool, helping them. So the Aspen camp for the deaf, they do come up into snowmast, so and they are quite an amenity. We feel to the valley. So to show them some support and we gave them minimum. We've given them more in the past. So. You mentioned with the challenge Aspen because of their fundraising and other sources that I would assume that most of these here are pretty leading run operations. Yes. Do you look at overhead and cost of the operations versus how much actually gets put out into the programs? Yes. Do you have some sort of standard for that where we're not reimbursing for administration costs? Right. And we try not to do that. We try it with what they're going to use their funds for, what we give them, that we're not just trying to keep them afloat, and that they put those funds towards a particular program that would draw people from snowmass. And then are any of these for grant specific outcomes? Are there any, you know, is this for operational costs or are you like for the, a little bit of school house you had for additional bus service? Are these applications worthy for any specific project that they were working on or is it just to keep their operation? With the schoolhouse and because they're in Snowmass, we try to fund them for whatever they need and we do sometimes ask them to not use that money for a particular thing that, you know, with the bus service that maybe they can cut back on their programs and not be busing people around and do it more constructively within snowmessor within the schoolhouse itself without transporting them to Aspen for different programs. Well, no, I wasn't really questioning that because I know between the two of us we've had four kids to go through the whole program, the whole red school. I'm not even questioning that one. Question on the valley partner for drug prevention. What exactly does that money go for? I have not reviewed that in the last couple of months so it's for the those that I asked the same question last year I believe it was from a lot of that goes to treatment. It was what the other. Treatment screening, education. Yeah. I've seen their grants before. And being out there so that the children do have help, people do have help because we're, this whole valley is affected. And that's what's. One last question is follow up on that. Is there any kind of follow up for them to demonstrate any How their programs have been effective have they had any success? I guess you know when you give this kind of money I'd like to know with how it's actually being implemented and being used And is there any kind of follow up to these grants at the end of the period? I don't know that they give that to us. Donna might have something there. I was just going to help out with that. All the organizations are required to provide me with financial accountability of how they have used grant funds that were issued, like the ones for oh nine oh eight oh nine They receive grant monies in March of this year They follow up with a letter to me and that basically has to match what they said in their application in the previous year So I do check that and make sure that those match up Does the grant review board review those letters at some point or is it just? As the liaison I just take care of that. Okay thank you. Thank you Donna. One of the groups that I've always found to be worthy of money that I'm not sure we've ever done much with is the disabled American vets. Do you, do we ever get a grant request from that group and for their program here in the April timeframe, do we have scholarships for anything? We've handled that differently. Yeah, we've done sort of in kind by sending a letter out to everyone in town and going that route. Okay. Just want to make sure we keep supporting those, that group also. Thank you very much. Okay. Any other questions? Thank you, Mary Lou. Sally. Just like to respond a little bit in that you've appointed a pretty diverse group of us onto that board. And between the folks of us on the board, we have a pretty good knowledge of these organizations. So I think there is a good assessment of whether they are serving snowmouse and also of year to year, are we seeing, are these organizations that we feel are spending our money in good ways? You know, I think between the group of us on the board, there's enough diversity that we pretty much touch on with every organization. Have some background in that. So it was a pretty good discussion. Very good. Having gone through this grant process this last year, not for Snowmass Village, but for Pitkin and Garfield and Ego and all these other places. One thing that I found interesting in Garfield was they give out their money on a quarterly basis. So if you, let's say, you get 20,000, you only get 5,000 and you have to justify each of the draws. And then the second thing, they required insurance of writer on our professional and general liability for $2 million. So we found that most interesting. And I don't know, do we have any, how does, we just send out the check? That's what I like because this other, the justification process, every quarter just gets a little crazy. They're scrutinizing the expenditure of money. Oh, they are. So for example, I had to justify, I took the first draw from Garfield to justify care for a pediatric kid Because there was no insurance so you know we had to put down our daily expenses and our daily revenue Which was zero and all those types of things it was a it's a very detailed process so I hope we're not That much into micro management Thank you So is there a resolution for here with the grant awards as they've been suggested or recommended? Some move. Second. That's Markey and Reed. Any further comment? All of the favour? Signify by saying aye. Aye. Any comment? Thank you by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Thank you so much. Now we're going to back a minute. We have Mr. Mordkin here. We're going to do a, what happened? Arnie as we had some vote for the planning commission. Apparently there was a tie for that board. Uh-oh. So you get the ability to either we can all revote or just have Arnie vote I think it's not appropriate to just have me vote all come on I'm happy to do it but I don't well I think we probably know I don't want Arnie to have to be throwing it right for the name stuff. I wouldn't change mine. Well, I think we probably, no, I don't want Arnie to have to be the one that's... No, I don't mind. Well, no, nobody knows what it is. Right. It was to hire anything, just come to me and I had not to go out of it. So on that list, Arnie, on page two. You want a piece of paper, Arnie? to where is it? There's a hole in it. No, I'm not that good at a throw. They would be entertaining though. Like, they don't want to do anything. And then I get him right in the score in the score. She's got the... I'm just gonna stack over here. I just want to repeat for a minute. Okay. Just want to read you a few minutes. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He's from back in the town. He's from back in the town. He's from back in the town. He's from back in the town. He's from back in the town. He's from back in the town. He's from back in the town. He's from back in the town. He's from back in the town. He's from back in the town. He's from back in the town. I'm going to use this. I didn't fix it. Okay. Okay. Well, my girls and back here help them up for us. So we'll move on. We'll actually, you know, run to be clear, to keep her in attendance also. So we'll hold off in a few minutes here. We have a break. Imagine it will be just a minute or so. We have a break Imagine it'll be a couple of minutes or so Dead air we in recess for people to take them no No, not really. We're just you know. Is there anything else we Can do without Ronda there. Yeah station very good Why don't we decide on where the public notice board is Excited on the agenda some route. Well except for we need ronda to Type out all that in. Well can we do the other consent agenda? A great discussion. We have our night again we can certainly inform her of motion and okay second and I move to accept the consent agenda as listed Motion by Lord can second second by Lewis All those in favor Consent agenda you really don't make comments do you just say yes or no or pull it in the consent agenda? That's why they call it consent agenda But no, it's not time for comments on the consent agenda. All those in favor of the consent agenda signify by saying aye. Aye. You need a post? Yeah. John, welcome. I know the states. That's why you have one and you say the beginning of the meeting you want to pull something. And we didn't get that. So we will move on to consent agenda pass. That was a four more one book. Now, I took a hold. I thought we could do that rather quickly. Yeah. Marking budget. Here's the films. Okay. Now we have a tie with two other people. Okay. So I guess we need to know who the two people are so we can vote between the two people. Okay. It's Mr. Purvis and Julie N. Woods. Okay. So let's vote for one of those two. We can chew that in half. Mr. Provost. Thank you very much, Ronda. So now we can fill in the blanks of the resolution number three. I'm back everyone else. We did that before, but we'll thank them again. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry Julie didn't get on the planning commission. So Ronda, you have the names of the people that we will put into that resolution number three. The only questionable was Peter Moore for the marketing special events was voted on and Bob Herbors down in Akintham Yolken and Robert Circus with the continuing members. Thank you and we would like to thank Julian Woods even though she's out of the country for applying and do not hesitate doing that again. So is there a motion to move resolution number three series of 2010? Yes. That's Reed. Second. Second by Markey. Any other discussion? All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Yep, those passed with the names as presented. Thank you very much, everybody, for coming in. Bill, you said something about the only issue was Mr. Moore? No, you just tied two different Peter Moore was we had to vote for Peter Moore and Julie and Woods earlier and that was not okay It's not a tie. Okay. Hi. The tie wasn't the planning commission. So we wondered right? That's okay I probably said it wrong anyway so Moving on That's okay. I probably said it wrong anyway. So moving on. Go ahead, Mr. John. On this consent agenda issue, I don't remember us discussing whether we're going to accept it or not. And my understanding is that on the consent agenda, if one member considers a specific guide and needs to be discussed, it must be removed in place. I'm the regular agenda and I don't remember that because I would have requested it at some point because I just wanted to make a comment. Okay. Then in the future, if you have an issue before we get to, I guess that, let's talk, you know, say if you have an idea to pull. When I've seen these things generally when they get to the consent agenda, someone does say, have an idea to pull. But I've seen these things generally when they get to the consenitenter, someone does say, I'd like to pull the issue, not have a comment. And so it gets pulled. So not that it's a big deal, but that's what I think if you would, in the future, if all of us would say we'd like to pull on item, and then it does get pulled but I don't recall having that opportunity to do that On this agenda or at this meeting Well, I guess my point was we started talking about the consent agenda that that's the point to say I'd like to pull something before you get to a motion Okay, I'll watch that John but that's I did comment. Council comments. Yeah. Okay. I'll watch that, John, but that's what we did today. We're going on to item number eight, second reading of ordinance 2004, a series of 2009. Ordinance of many of the 2010 budget for the marketing and special events fund for the town of Somers Village. So, it's tabee. Go ahead. What was that read? Mal has a question. Okay. No, Blumenthal. Just one clarification, which you may not be aware of. I wasn't until I just went back there. Your discussion about consent agenda. The consent agenda is not on the public agenda that was published that most of us look at online. So I've just alerting you that for the public's purpose there's a big difference between consent agenda and discussion item So if you're gonna have now a consent agenda it should coincide with what's on the online agenda and the reason that that isn't is because of the indentation But it should have been on there because we took the indentation out so I'm not sure I wasn't here, but I'm not sure what you're talking about Surprise you didn't email me. You know it was not- Right, so we will watch for that on- When we post those again, so we don't have the confusion whether it be up here or out there. Okay, so on to marketing special events fund. We have Susan here. We have the packet here. Do we have any questions of Susan? Arnie. I thought read had one before I got a story. No, we didn't see that one. Okay. Last week we talked about our last meeting. We talked about the quote, profit, close quote that was being not intend for there to be a profit. You use commented with the board that your budget has had that profit in as an offset of expenses. It just was part of the pot has it been taken out of that pot? It has not. Okay. I looked at it as part of the budget to pay for the series. It still costs us money to do it. So it's not really profit. Is there in that profit on liquor sales? When you factor in all the cost of the event, it's including the bar set. That's right. When you take that out, then the event still costs money. So I never considered it profit, which might have been. Oh, I see you used the proceeds from the liquor to offset the cost of. The media used to pay for the amount of money. I don't know anymore. That's that that's that's slight of hand. Excuse me, but that's exactly what it is. It we agreed that liquor sales by themselves either would be would be a zero. Not that it would go to offset other expenses that cost it. But you answered my question and that is still in this budget. I would move to continue the matter of the budget until that item is taken out. What's the amount we're talking about? 30,000 over how many concerts? 30, and over the next year I was projecting eight concerts, and I think 35, I don't have it in front of me, I apologize, I think 35. So then what I would need to do those, go back to our board because 35 would have to come out somewhere else. Right. So either you'd be having to cut a concert. A concert or we have a new Saturday concert that we probably come out there be 15 right there so obviously we'd have to come for the summer's main point. Well obviously you have to come out somewhere you could take it out of the amount of advertising that you're spending with the ski co. You could take it out of somebody's cell or you could take it out of someplace. It doesn't necessarily mean a concert's going to not going to take place. No, right. They've got a large budget that they could use, but they could find something else. It's $1.00, you could find someplace for $35,000. Anyhow, that's my mother. That's one motion. Is there a second? Okay. That's John Wilkinson. Further discussion? No discussion. I'm really trying to. Will. A motion to table. further discussion I'm really well motion table a motion table So this is like just to be clear on the motion. I guess I said continue. Yes So continue and to table there the resolution has to be on or the ordinance has to be on the floor Isn't it on the floor? No, it has not been moved yet. Yeah, I let it let it let's retain it as a motion to continue in as much as otherwise it would cut off the special and I want to do that. Okay. Sorry, thank you. Sorry, thank you. So I guess there are any comments read? Yeah, I'm probably I've said a lot of what I thought about this whole issue years ago. And at this point, I agree I think what Arnie has said is completely true that it never was meant to be a profit center. But I think that we need to look at the bigger picture at this point. And I think we need to look at whether we're really, I understand the principle behind it. But I think we need to look at, do we wanna have as many concerts as possible at this point, or do we wanna, I don't know, I think the prices for the thing, for the beverages up there are very fair for a concert. You go to Red Rock, she pays $7 or $8 for a beer, he go here, you pay two. And so, I'm not sure it's worth the effort in re-evaluating everything to fix something that probably was done incorrectly, but I think the bottom line is we need to see where we wanna go, not where we're coming from. Okay. I'm similar campus read. I think that the initial discussion was that we wanted to make sure that, you know, we were making beverages available at a very good price and not overcharging as they do in other places. I think that we could sit back and have the discussion with the board in the next couple weeks to relook at the budget. But I'm of the flavor that I think we should continue with this budget as it's presented and have a discussion in spring of 2010 coming up soon to talk about future budgets and philosophies and how we should do things and how we would like to see Money's to spend and have that communication So I think I'm gonna be in a reads camp at this point John welcome to I think it's really important that we take a look at it because I remember distinctly being in council chambers and there was quite a community Uproar over the taking a well wasn't taking away of the ability to bring in their own alcohol to the festival site Wherever we had concerts, but it was it was a very controversial issue for our community and One of my promises I made to myself in the community at the time is that we were going to keep the cost of the alcohol at a zero amount. And I want to live by that. And that was the promise I made to myself into the community at the time. And maybe it's a marginal thing. I don't know how much extra you make on the liquor sales. We don't know. That's kind of what I'm looking for is what is the margin on that and to keep it fair and keep it affordable for the people in our community that we took away their opportunity to bring in their own alcohol. And again the answer to John's question Susan is that it's generating $30,000 over and above our costs associated with providing that liquor and that helps pay for other costs associated with that event. Because we have sponsors and the sponsor point product that we can sell. Whatever the reason. So it is $30,000 and we're not making on that profit, but it is, I mean, to be clear, it is a profit for that one cost in that event, but it's helping to offset other costs. It increases income. Right. Marky? I will understand all the discussions that happened several years ago in these cancel chambers and was extremely heated as we moved into the whole issue up, you know, selling the liquor in one-have-you. I think that times have changed. I think the costs are extremely reasonable. I think we have bigger fish to fry in this community in terms of marketing and getting tourists to come in. I can clearly hear where you're coming from, John, in terms of your commitment and your promise. I, on the other hand, was not on the council. I think it's been very, sorry, guys, I won't call. I'm very, very focused on doing what's right for the community. I think the liquor sales are price point sensitive. And $30,000 over, I don't know how many concerts we have Last year seven to nine or what have you we're not talking a huge amount per concert. I don't want to get into that level of Micro management on a marketing budget. That's where I am Mr. Martin I Can accept Mr. Morton? I can accept the concept of times of change that I don't want to micromanage and we are going to offset other costs. It comes a time when you either stand up for what it is you said you were going to do or you don't. This council made it very clear to the people of this community that this that the sale of liquor would be a zero sum operation. Now I don't really care if it's $10. It's a promise we made. Whether you were on council at the time or not on council at the time, it's a promise that this council is a body made. I think it's important to stay with that promise. Or, if you're not going to stay with that promise and you're going to turn over to the marketing special events board, the ability to arbitrarily choose what activities council has suggested or what appropriations council is made without informing council except at the time of budget then stand up and say that's what I'm willing to do and I will abdicate my responsibilities as a council person to control what it is this council that and I don't think that's what we ought to do, but that's certainly the council person's variety. Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to give the intent and I had to go back and re-understand and re-listen to what council said at the time. But the intent I think was followed and the pricing of the alcohol was such that it was extremely low. So the only reason why, though, that there was a $30,000 difference was because we were very successful getting lick-responsorship. So, yes, we're back and we did make the $30,000, but it's not for the event as a whole, but for that element, we're back and we did make the 30,000, but it's not the event as a whole, but for that element we did How much is your sponsorship? It's most of that it's really most of the sales so basically it's almost a wash after if you didn't have the sponsor Basically be a wash. Yes. We're put it this way. Dave was very successful. It's always Mr. Blumenthal. How much is that person salary here? It's less than one person. He pays for himself. I hope he does more than makes his salary. Yeah. You know, I can smell Blumenthal, not on behalf of a part-time residence. There's a pretty big important principle here. And I know the practical arguments you're talking about today. But I was around when this controversy, and I was sitting in these chambers, it wasn't about the cost of what the customer was going to pay. The concern was people were allowed prior to this to bring their stuff. It wasn't a cost issue and you were changing that because concerns about the law and there were arguments, you know, different arguments about whether we should do that. But what you did say to the public or the council said to the public is we're not doing this to make money for the town and to the public is we're not doing this to make money for the town and To show you that we're not doing that if there is any possibility There's going to be a profit on those sales. We're giving it to charity and you did give it to nonprofits the first year I think I have to agree with you know with with Arnie and with John on this There's a big principle here of credibility of what the town did at that time. And I don't think it's right at this point without rediscovering that whole issue because it, you know, it looks pretty bad as to what's going on right now. Not that you're doing anything intentionally, but you made commitments or the council made commitments at that time, justifying this was not to be a money making operation and that if there was anything, it was going to nonprofits, not to the town. Well now, let's, I want to ask a question on this point. I don't know what the cost of liquor is for the event. We have a sponsorship. So if we take the sponsorship away, the 30,000, whatever the sponsorship is, then the question would be, have a net loss. Well, I don't know whether you, I mean, there's still people here that don't wanna bring their own stuff, okay? This was an artificial way of satisfying the public to a change of history here. And you made a big point of that. Now just because you have sponsorship, I don't think makes a change here. Okay? And I'm not sure that you'd be in a loss. I still don't. I think you would probably just be breaking even in that case. If you didn't have the sponsorship. All this was supposed to be was a break even situation. The only point I wanted to make is the intent going into that first season after we received council direction was to implement that direction. Subsequently, the following might have been able to have some luck that first year. We began to get sponsorship. That was completely unknown and unpredictable, but we priced it with the intent not to make a buck on it. But the point is, you pay a salary to the person who gets the sponsorships. He's an employee. You're paying him to do that. So what's that got to do? You're saying your employee for whom you are paying the salary is successful. Therefore, we have a right to keep the money. And on make any sense, that's an unsanitary. I just wanted to make the point that the intent was to follow the direction. And we didn't make some sponsorship dollars. And if your direction is still to donate any excess to charity, we will do that. Or use it to underwrite the grant. It could be. That's not any takes. It would be essentially free. Right. And I think that that's, I think that's the main point I'm hearing is that we did not have the communication with the board to talk about the philosophy of what was going to happen and what, you know, kind of money's, you know, maybe going on there. I think that's in people's sides a little bit. No but not only that Billy, what if we had that communication? Okay, what if Susan had an opportunity and the board had an opportunity to come to us and say you know a lot guys we got this fellow we're paying a salary to him and he's really successful and so because of the sponsorships we now have a Greater return which we can put into the kitty. I shouldn't call it profit because it's not really profit then we thought we were gonna have and we want to do that and Majority this boy said you know what you shouldn't do that because that really violates what the board had originally set. Okay. And the marketing and special events board said, forget it guys, we're going to do it anyhow. The real question is, do we have the guts to say no, you're not. That's the question. And the only way we have to say no, you're not, That's the question. And the only way we have to say, no, you're not, is to deal with the budget this time of year. Right, right. That's the only way. If you do that, if you do that, we will not approve the budget. That's the end of the day. We have to make that comment. John Dresser. What if the marketing board said to you, we're going to take that free booze, sell it at dirt cheap prices. And we're going to have two more concerts in the summer that we couldn't otherwise do under what we pay. What we receive in taxes and what we pay in salary to our staff. So therefore we're only going to have six instead of eight. And if we can sell the booze at that cheap price, we can have eight consorts. What if they said that to you? Well, you know what? I guess I would have to challenge them. And thank you very much, Ms. Katana Turni, for providing that information. But that's what I think we're doing. I would challenge that. I think it's in the object that you have. The question is, do we have the opportunity? And how do we keep faith with the people who put us here? And if we don't want to do that? Hey, that's okay. Yeah, it's still a good point. To make a point from the previous meeting that may have come, I did not know that that was a commitment that council made, whether it was a meeting or whatever, so it wasn't something done intentionally years ago. That's not the issue. Nobody's saying to you, you intentionally win against what we said. I just want to make sure that's clear. It's clear. Okay. That's clear. So we have any other discussion and you need to take a vote on this ordinance. Yeah. Motion to continue is on the table. So you call I think there was a motion that I can continue it. Right. And so is there a motion? I should make it clear. I would continue that to our next meeting which is in two weeks right. The 19th of January. And the purpose being I think that the marketing and special events board needs to reconsider this budget. It's to whether or not they wish to revise that item out of it. If that's the case, you need to deny this ordinance because you've already voted on the budget in front of you. Right. Right. This is, we already have a budget that has been approved. This is an amended. There's a amendment to that budget. Okay. Correct. So the motion is here to continue this to the 19th. Is there and there it's been moved down second. It's been moved in second. All those in favor of continuing this to the 19th, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed? Aye. Aye. All opposed? Aye. Aye. 3 to 2 to continue it. Now let's go back to, is there a motion to accept this ordinance for number 24 as amended? Assembly? That's Marky. Second, I'll second it. Further discussion just in case yeah, all those in favor ordinance number 24 as amended John Roll calls right is an ordinance. Thank you Yes No Yes Thank you. Thank you. Moving on. We have first reading ordinance number one series 2010. Comprehensive plan. The ordinance revising. Moving on, we have first reading ordinance number one series 2010, the comprehensive plan and the ordinance revising and restating certain portions of the comprehensive plan. We have a team of people here with this. Or a number. A team or no. David is here too. Again, maybe just as an introductory comment, I want to thank the community for providing significant input and direction in this process over the last couple of years. It's certainly been a good and healthy discussion within the community. A couple key points that really came out of the community discussion. We went into this thinking we would probe and see if we could develop some parameters for the West Village from the input we got from the community. It became clear that they were certainly willing and able to identify certain parameters and standards for development, but did not want to go so far as a master plan. In fact, when we went further into that discussion, there really was a strong message around being clear about what the community's caring capacity was and our threshold to accommodate any new growth. To key points that really came out through that, and I'm glad David's here tonight is maintaining the town standards as it relates to level of service, both on our roads with level of maintaining level of service C, and maintaining the high quality and high standards we have for mass transit in the community. So really, if you take this document, I also want to acknowledge the work of the planning commission by Purvis and a couple of people behind the table now that our council members had a significant impact on this along with the town council, really taking what was the 1998 document and a lot of hard work went into that and the recognition was made that we can preserve that good work but say it more concisely. I use an appendices to put a lot of the backup data and information and reference that and I think through that thinking we have a document that you see in print but it will be a document I think that will be predominantly used in a digital format. And if you've had a chance to play with that CD and open that up, you see a variety of different digital links that enable you to link between chapters of the document and background information in the appendices. Do you want to acknowledge that the county did provide us some comments that are right after page 65 and received these right after we put the document together. They've been monitoring and we've been communicating. Two points, you know, they made, they certainly are very interested in intergovernmental agreement on referrals to them of land use applications. And you also see in the document, particularly in chapter 10, but you also see in a couple of different places that when we have areas that provide parking and our transportation nodes, those are good places to locate affordable housing. And again, this really stemmed from the need of we have future growth or any future development, how do we maintain level of service C? And one of the real linch pens was being very thoughtful about where we put our employees and relationship to any new employment. Lynch pens was being very thoughtful about where we put our employees and relationship to any new employment. So one of the references you do see in there is a reference to the intercept lot on Highway 82. They want to acknowledge to you that future vertical development, housing development there is not consistent with their planning. We know that there is a statement in the plan that that should be something we should be open to conversation with the county on, but I think staff recognizes and we recognize in the process that at the time of this drafting that is certainly not part of picking county planning to have future growth there so that they wanted to reiterate that the county commissioners may have some additional input and comment to you prior to second reading. Leslie, Chris, Dave, anything you would want to say about the format, you are obviously looking at the document now with graphics. A lot of the graphics are carry-overs from 98. Some you see in the impendency, some you see in the body. Leslie, anything you would want to add to it? Just that this graphic format isn't final, final. It takes a lot of effort to lay something out like this. So Winston's still working on it. So if you see major, major layout problems, let us know. But this isn't completely done yet. So we have until second reading. I'd characterize that as some little tweaks that still need to occur. Yeah, very, very little tweaks. But I'm happy to take any input you have on the graphics, the layout. Again, recognize that this was developed predominantly from that it would appear and be used from a digital format. So you see some layouts that I had to double take on and I didn't really get it until I had the digital version of the chapters and those are really digital links that you would use in an electronic format. Back to the county discussion, Russ. At what point, I saw back in 2007, we had a little discussion with the county staff, but that was just trying to formulate philosophies I suppose, it really wasn't any meat and potatoes about this plan. It probably would have made some sense to say okay now we've got our rough draft put together here it is and give us your thoughts on next you know 30 45 days if we could have done that with the county. We have a moratorium now on the building until when? June. So if we for some reason felt it was appropriate to give this to the county for 45 days to get a comment, would that be a problem? It holds up the other things that we would want to come to you with around housing PUD amendments. So I think you're going to, this probably covers the gist of their comments, but the county commissioners certainly may have other thoughts. And they're going to get comments before our second reading. Well, they hope to, yeah. Personally, they've known that we've been working on a comprehensive plan forever and it's been well published in the paper in terms of, I think that's not our responsibility to give them 45 days. But I guess, you know, I guess I'm a little different there. It's nice to be nice, but. It's nice to be nice when you have neighbors who you say, hey, now we have our product done that we think is in a good form, because we've been changing it all these days and months and years, looking at stuff. So, you know, I remember sitting in the planning commission side saying, you know, the council wanted to read it and said, you know, we got to wait till we finish our edits because these guys are editing it and, you know, we're doing it together. It does make kind of a design a cowboy committee type thing, I guess, if you do it differently. So I'm not sure that we shouldn't just say here guys, you know, we're going to put this second reading off to give you an opportunity more than you have. I think 45 days is too long. I'd suggest that maybe you wanted to give them a little bit more time and they indicated there have been discussions between us, between Chris and them, myself and them, and they obviously got very interested in now recognizing graphics are now in the plan. Although fundamentally from their perspective, the annexation language is essentially the same. one new caveat, which I certainly understand and appreciate their interest to comment on. What is the references to the intercept lot? But if we did want to give them a little bit more time between first and second reading, you could certainly do that. Give them one meeting, right? Don't. Welcome. Yeah, I think this is such an important document in I hear what Mark is saying, and I agreed to with it some extent. However, this is such a guiding document for the future snowmass village of which it represents 23% of Picking County. I mean, where is significant part of the County as a whole? And I think it's beholden upon us to have them take a look and see if there's anything out there that is of concern. And out of the will find something that we haven't seen through our process. I'd be willing to extend the second reading for another 30 days to give them enough time to look at this document and come back to us within the comments. I agree. I think staff sometimes looks at things through different sunglasses or glasses than the elected officials do. Why? Well, whether we give them until the 19th of January or whatever. February 1st of February or the 16th of 15th of February, I think we need to first move the witness. Then somebody make a motion to modify that second portion of it. So I would move ordinance number one, series 2000, 2010. Emotion by Mordkin, second by John Wilkinson. So I would like to give it into the county commissioners hands for a little bit of a look, not just the staff, because I do find that it's a good set of eyes to look at. Who do you want to go to, Bill? I would February. February, either of the second meeting in February. Second meeting in February, it says. 16th. Yeah. The 15th is President's Day. Yeah, I would say. 15th is President's Day, so it's Tuesday. February 6th. I would like to say the second meeting in February, the 16th. So it is that emotional. Men. I don't think we need make a well we need make emotional amend Which is direction to Make a motion. I made the ordinance I guess yeah, after you if it passes it first reading then you can make a motion to schedule second reading on the date Yeah, so the ordinance doesn't can I thought the Ordinance that we're gonna sign contains when it is to be had again. It contains it in the blanks at the bottom which is not really. We can we can amend that date but it already says red approved and adopted on that January 19th day. It would be far clearer to schedule it after first reading the successful or fails. But you're saying this nonsense about read approved and adopted is amended. The last paragraph is not a part of the ordinance. Exactly. Okay. That's fine. Right. That's fine. Not part of the ordinance. Okay. So that was a motion. I understand that we need to be sensitive to our friends at the county. Our friends at the county aren't going to change anything that the town people have already told us. So I guess I'm not sure why we need to belabor and lengthen this whole process that we've spent over two years on. The only thing I'll say is that I would hope that if we were in a position of working with the county on something of this nature that addresses brush Creek Valley, that is not in the town of Stomas Village, that they would see about saying, hey, we need to give these guys a little bit of a chance to review some documentation that maybe I can see that. I guess I just don't understand. It's not going to change my opinion of it would be appropriate to put housing at the intercept lot sometimes. No, I don't. I agree with you. I just, my feeling is that we've heard from the county staff that they felt they didn't have the opportunity. And I would like to grant them an opportunity for a short time just to be neighborly and expect that return at some point in the future. Call the question on the ordinance. Okay. Debate. All those in favor of ordinance one series 2010, civil five saying aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Okay. Now as far as the schedule, schedule it. I just like to do that by motion. I think they won't have a discussion and maybe that'll result in a motion. Okay. So let's, I guess I would like to suggest that we look at making a motion for February 16th. That's a motion, Billy. That's a motion. Now a discussion. All those in favor of the motion to have the second reading February 16th and the five of saying on all right any opposed Thank you. Thank you Okay Thank you Leslie. Thank you staff and all your work and it looks good Is there any other discussion you want to do with that you feel comfortable with the general format? Yeah, digital format you know one of the things in here that I made a note on one of the pages, we had a discussion a few weeks ago about property that the town had in the town boundaries for housing, specifically back behind Aspen Village. I see a little gray area that says vacant on my page 88 of this map. And I was wondering if that was the area that we were donated for housing which we have not identified. And is this the appropriate place to be identifying additional housing the good town additional property But the town may have for building this way housing at some point in the future in this document. See anything You know it's a pay JD8 Right there at the lower part just there's a dark gray about asking village. It just says vacant land right now. Yeah, that's dark gray. Right. Is that vacant or is it? Oh. Wasn't that given to the town? It was the vacant parcels. They were they were deeded to the town for employee housing. So we should we put identify that as employee housing now instead of just saying vacant land? But it's existing land use. It's current land use is vacant. Okay. That's why it's great. I just want to make sure we don't forget about it because I want to brought up a few months ago, no one really remember that. And we need to somehow. I remember it. It's we've lost an opportunity to gain an easement for access to it through Wildcat. Right. So access is the primary issue. Okay. So we're landlocked from using it, I guess, unless we make it a range with the Aspen Village homonyers or taking county through the landfill or I Don't we're gonna be putting our employee housing traffic through the landfill Good you know this kind of trashy how many people could be creative? I haven't been a part of how this how that came to be but Opportunity to gain some some land. It's just, it's pretty steep back there anyway. I'm not sure we could do much with it, but I think we somehow need to check it out. Check it out. Either have it somewhere on these maps that talks about the Vail for Housing. That's all. It is available for housing. Really? Tom Wilkinson. I really like the electronic format. I have been playing around with it. Have all the links been checked? No. Yeah, that would probably be something just to make sure that because there are a lot of links that go outside of this document like the Garfield County and some other. I don't know how you address it in the future because sometimes those links will go away. So I don't know if you want to have it exclusive to links inside the document. That's a good point. We can talk to Winston about that. But it's laid out really well. I'm very happy with the way it looks good. The only other thing I was reading through it, the side tabs showing the different chapters. When you're in a chapter, for instance, it's looking at Table 10 now on the page. It doesn't have that highlight of that what chapter you're looking at, so if you're running through it, if you're in chapter 6, you don't see anywhere in there. The bottom page says chapter 6, but if you can highlight that tab that shows you're in chapter 6 or something. Okay. Not that it's a big deal. No, that's a good point. Okay. Okay. We'll make sure the county gets ample time. I think they've already scheduled this with the county commissioners. Okay. And if they want the planning commission to come talk to them what they did, no. Yeah. That's a planning commission with us. Yeah, a schedule special meeting with us yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for magic buzz, Bobby Stan in the base bill is plaza. Just mayor, I indicated an estimate of 5.3 for this item. And we're very sorry. Well, I've done good. Yeah, but that's not here at this time. Did he like to proceed? Did he? Uh, no, we moved, who's like to, we essentially had the discussion as anything, so we'll open the public. We need to move resolution five first. Two. Arnie. Second by John Wilkinson. Now we'll open the public hearing. Any public comment? We'll close the public hearing. Read. I'm all for vitality and things like this. I've had a slight change of position on this since last time. One of the issues that comes up is that there, I guess I should ask the questions, I don't know for a fact, but is there currently available space at the base that is empty? that is empty. For this type of facility or for any for any space. But it's out. We know the whole big restaurant that's empty. There's a lot of food in there. Okay. We know two restaurant spaces that are active. Okay. I guess where I'm going with this is this brings up some issues that we didn't really get into or discuss last time. And that's when you allow carts like this, and I'll just call it a cart because it's easier. The people running the carts are not paying the same type of a rent and common area maintenance fees that the larger brick and mortar spaces have to pay. Maybe temporarily that's fine. What this can lead to, which I hadn't even thought of until talking to some folks about this, is that then people take their food from these places and go sit in the seats of the places that are paying the high rents. So not only are the people that are paying these high rents, losing the business to the other new place, but now they've also lost their seating. And there's no way to look like the nice guy when you're kicking people out of the seats in your restaurant. So it creates a situation where you've got, let's call it, whatever, what we had hoped would happen down there and all the people filling in all the spaces there there. And then we're creating sort of the secondary market that is on an uneven playing field. And while it's a small thing, it really could offset things in a direction that I'm not sure we want to go. I think Scott's idea is great. And I think that adding vitality would be great. But I think it might be at the expense of some of the other businesses in the area that are paying the top dollar to be located where they are located. That's a real, that's. And I just, that's something I hadn't thought about until talking to- What did we find out last year when we had that little coffee, kiosk thing? Did it create problems for some of the owners down there? Whether it be sweet life, or what? I went out of business. Guess what? Well, the summer we actually had the kiosk. That was summer. I thought it was run by a related Westpac. Speaking of the, yeah. Yeah, it was related Westpac that we're in that didn't it? That was the guy who had the little dill. Yeah, the little dill and he disappeared anyhow. Well, it's key to me to have those little cards related Westpac to those little cards down there. Yeah, and I guess they bought three of them and only used one maybe. We had one down there. That's all that was approved by the council. Yeah, yeah, you couldn't do more than that. But I thought the guy that ran it was the little deal guy, but it does it's really a relic. Yeah it's a material issue. I'm asking is did that create seating difficulties last year for the restaurants or does anyone know? Well the fact is there aren't any restaurants that have public seating at the base village. The only one is Sneaky's and you can't get it as Sneaky. Sweetline. Well, sweetline has their own table, which they could police if they desire. You know, that's, and I guess sweetlife doesn't have a great deal of concern because they're supporting the thing. Just so this, it's got to just show that here. So I was wondering let you know it's got that there has been some concern today that what we may be approving may be detrimental impacting some other businesses by you a vendor selling their wares and someone else coming up and buying it and then going sitting down in some other location and taking it space. that merchant or restaurant owner has to be a bad guy and kick the people out of the area. So there is a concern that we might be doing is causing business to have to be that Mr. Heavy and that maybe that's not such a good thing. So that's sort of the concerns that I had heard you. Sure. Well, first I my sincere apologies to you. We were going faster than it's been in the meeting we've ever seen. Hopefully, it'll be faster. I think to your point, I would agree that maybe I could do some self-policing as well. But I do have, I guess, the configuration of someplace like the sweet life would probably lend itself more than the other restaurants to having that possibility, having that potential because you look at the junk patio, whatever that will be. It's, there's really only one entrance, and it's pretty obvious that you don't haul food into there and sit down. Let's go close and then you might just go close and then you'll go. Oh, my day is good. It's good to do. And Sneaky's being the same way. It's either fence to ropeed off. Yeah. The sweet life having tables sitting out sort of in the open in front, there could be that objection, but I guess my approach to it would be that having, I mean, it being in sort of a loose partnership with them anyway, if that becomes any sort of an issue, I mean, they're the first people that would cause my application to be rescinded as well. If anyone is going to have that ability with a, in short order to have me being taken down my shop and hauling it somewhere else, it would be them. And so I think that, you know, I will, for a variety of reasons, have to keep very good relationships with Ken and Jen and all their clientele for that matter. And, I mean, in reality, they're selling some of their food and beverage products out of my kiosk. So I think we're gonna have a very close relationship, aren't we? But, you know, I think it pays villages it is now that's less of an issue because it's used to just really supporting you since they're probably the only operation that I could get injured in any way by someone sitting in their seats. I don't think that's an issue. That's an an issue. That's a non-issue. I think the other issue though, the read-rays which is rough concern, but I think we should think about, but I think there is an answer is some of the other bricks and mortar stores. I mean it's the internet versus bricks and mortar store concept. Here you've got this little space and so theoretically, you don't pay nearly the rent gross, of course, then Sneaky's or Mr. DeGrasse was supposed to pay or whatever. And is that right? Is that fair? Well, on the one hand, one might argue that, you know, I have to, if I have a restaurant, I've got a lot of backroom space blah, blah, blah, and I'm going to have to spend more money. But the fact is that you can't rent. I don't know. What is the whole work? A 100 square feet? Probably 75 square feet. You know, it's like renting a closet. You can't rent that, but you're paying the same, basically, per square foot basis. It's not a square foot basis. It's exactly the same. It's not probably even a little more. So I don't think that argument holds true. It is the only thing it is is you can't rent such a small space generally. But any entrepreneur could rent that space or rent space in that size. And what's wrong with that? It's not a competition. It does provide I guess, you know, a quick, he's serving coffee in pastry, maybe, and so on, is where his hats and t-shirts and stuff. So the competition to other businesses? Six at a time, right? Yeah, let me go. It's not, like, a big store for. And I think those are legitimate concerns. I really think we need to, as we perhaps get more of applications like this someplace along the line, I think it depends on where you're talking about putting it, and the nature of what's being sold and there are a whole bunch of things that we need to consider but for this particular operation I don't think we have to point is a temporary annual yeah it's an annual temporary use next year it may go that is a concern and on page 71 line set 73 it appears that though this could be renewed by the planning director. Let's check it out. And I would absolutely want the town council because of READS concerned to on an annual basis review the permit. It seems reasonable. I love wrong on. So you would amend the ordinance. To take our lines. Line 73 through 75. All of item six. We discussed that at the last meeting. It seemed to be that you didn't really want to deal with that. So I changed it to this. In addition to that, and I think John Dresser is looking up the site in the land use code, the language is specific such that the planning director makes that decision. And then if I deny it, it can be appealed to the town council. I know that regarding the related Westpac kiosk last permit, that we added language to that resolution that said that it would come to counsel for final determined. Why don't we say it this time? That's it. Well I think the crystal point was we talked with this at last meeting and I think I was one that said look if you're not getting complaints right. You Chris deal with it we don't need to come back to the council table. I can't. We just changed our mind and as a matter of policy as a matter of policy, any administrative modification or other administrative matters before me concerning the base village area, I go over it with the town manager who makes a determination whether you want it to be involved in discussion regarding that action. That's prior to my finalizing it. Sounds like you want to modify six though. I think, yeah, we want to modify six. We could probably modify it, and maybe it sounds like we ought to modify it, not pull it out because to modify it to make it clear, we want it to come back because if we don't, the code provides it gets automatic. So with all my motion to remove. Okay. Mine 73 through 70. On line 73, I would suggest the permit may not, at the word not, the administrative authorize renewal without town council review and approval. There you go. That's good. You can see. And then you would take the however out. Yeah agree. That holds. there's an am. It's the question I was just. So I guess if council would rather see you there is not. I guess I'm still following the last reading. We don't need to deal with this. So I would move to a man. Okay. That's a motion by I need to put in the permit may not be administered. Yeah. And then remove everything after a colon, make it a period. Yeah. Second, then. Second, by Mr. Wilkinson, for the discussion. All those in favor of that amendment? Signify, say aye. Aye. All those opposed? Aye. Now, all the question out of that question. All the resolution. OK. I will call. Because the resolution. No. It's all those in favor of the resolution. Aye. Aye. I'm asking for the resolution. Aye. Aye. Are you opposed? Aye. Are you opposed? Go to 4-1. Are you going to make a stop? Thank you. Get it out there tomorrow morning. Well, the traffic is called light. Okay. I don't know. Number 11, public hearing and first reading. Ordinance number two, series 2010, minor, P.D. amendment parcel. D. East Village P.D. Now this is one that has been pulled, I guess. Just to measure this, this item is going to be re-advertised and such that the public hearing notice will correspond for the date being potential first reading on February 1. And then second reading potential on February 16. Is that correct, John? Yeah. So then I don't need to open the public hearing and stuff and continue it till that day. Just no, leave it alone. Thank you. Yes, a question. Mr. Morton. I think, didn't we? Wasn't the majority of council sent these folks away last time saying, hell no. How does this seem? More specific. Yeah, we want more specific, which How does this seem to be more specific? Yeah, we want more specific, yeah. Which we don't seem to have. How does it get on our agenda? Is the applicant suggested they want a resolution? The applicant received direction and submitted the two page. Yeah, I got that. It's attachment. Right. And we work to develop the PUD guide to try and be a little more precise is what the zoning parameters are. But no, we do not have probably the level of information that you wanted to see return to you. I understand it. But who's? Why do we put it back on the agenda? Yeah, I should get back on the agenda. I thought we said don't pop. The initial advertised legal notice was for the poor public hearing to be at this meeting. But isn't the answer they have the right for it to up. Yes, they do. And that's what I'm asking is not what they've done. They've said no, we want to give it a shot. OK, that's what I want to find out. OK. Thank you. Now item 12 12 public hearing the second reading ordinance number 11 series 2009 Don't bridge Minor PUD amendment Second business winning that was a marquee and lead I'd like to open the public hearing There's any comments in the public and Now I will go ahead and close the public hearing. Comments? Mr. Lewis. Chris, today figure out that connection that Mark was talking about. I don't have an app. Yeah, there's not an applicant. The thing that I had last when I last spoke to them was that possibly they would agree to repair those stairs to make that connection possible. The necessity of obtaining an easement through there for their portions we have an easement for everything that's on their portion, that the stair connection. It then, though, the diagram that I gave you in the packet, I don't have the page handy page. Where it enters the stone bridge. And the condominiums are working with the N to try and do a property line adjustment through there. And in addition, the Stonebridge Inn has not finalized their platypt was approved years ago. So I intended to work with the Stonebridge Inn to try to secure that. Okay. But I do have, it's resolved for the connection that was really what was pretty specific from their project down to base village. I looked at other options. There is a way that you can come down from Berlin game, right adjacent to the building between the building and the pool and you can go down some stairs and then you could walk to their pool and then dead ends at the pool gate and then there's another gate that leads the pool that takes you on sidewalk that takes you to the rest you could walk through their project. There was the possibility of having a sidewalk put along the fence there so that someone could do that but I just didn't feel comfortable that I could require that that occur and not only that obtain a public non-exclusive easement going through their projects. Was that a good junction with this app? It communicated to them that that might be something that would be for the benefit of. I spoke with Scott and he has every interest in trying to make something work as it relates to their property. Okay. Thanks. Okay. I can only say it's a personal thing on my own agenda to try and get certainly those stairs opened up. You can't argue with a man who says, well, yes, we close that stair segment because even in the summer, it's not safe. I mean, that kind of answered it for me. I don't want to require them to open that up. But my discussions with Scott was that the Stonebridge would be willing to try and repair those stairs here in the spring. So there's not a solution available today, but it's an ongoing project. Thanks. Any other comments? Call the question. All those in favor? Do we have something we'll call? We're talking about yes. We're talking about ordinance 11, which is the second reading of your property. Okay. Can we ask you to come to the microphone and state your name for the record please. Steve Santomo, I'm the general manager for the lower village for destination resorts. We represent the Terrace House Association as well as the Stonebridge and Association. Okay. Not related to the Stonebridge condos. Okay. I first wanted to mention that this is the first notice that I've received and that's why I've made a word. I saw December 7th, there was a public comment and I did miss that. So I'm here today to just talk about the board, some of the board's concerns from the Stonebridge and Terrace House with the new proposed project. The new building as I understand it is about 10 feet higher than the original. The footprint will be a little larger. So the Terrace House board asked me to discuss the concern with potentially blocking some of the views of the units, the unit owners in the first level of the terrace house with another 10 foot height. They're concerned that would block some narrow part of the view of the mountains. So I wanted to put that on record. The other concern is the actual closure of the poll. Currently, Stonebridge in owns 38% of the poll, currently the Stone Bridgian owns 38% of the poll in the poll deck area. For an agreement dating back to I think 1969 when the condos in the Inward Bill. So the concern is number one, originally we thought this project that was going to happen was going to happen in the summer of 2011. Now we understand that we put it when to push it up until the summer of 2010. Although we feel it would be a great improvement, obviously a new building is better than an old one. The concern is the effect and the impact, the negative impact it would have on the business in the end in terms of summer travelers. Because the pool would basically be closed for, I would think the entire summer at least close to April, May, June, July, maybe going into August. So a couple of concerns, if we have enough advance notice, we can make other arrangements in terms of posting on our website, letting guests know that if they're booking the Stonebridge Inn, they won't have a pool facility right nearby. We'll obviously try and work with other associations. But originally we thought it was going to be delayed until 2011. And so we haven't yet notified on our website or our guests or the groups that we've already booked that our poor facility in fact may be closed. The other concern which I've talked with Scott about already is the increased operating costs because we pay a substantial portion to operate the cabana right now. We don't know what the new cabana would take to operate. So being impact on a hotel owner or condominium owner in our Stonebridge Inn who has one small unit and drives a certain amount of revenue an increase of 30 or 40,000 a year would be substantial for a person who owns the individual Stonebridge Inn unit. So we'd like to have more time to discuss what that in financial impact would be because I understand there would be an additional staff person would be hired to work in the fitness room with benefits and compensation. That person alone would add 15 to 16,000 on to Distone Brigin portion of what they pay, not counting any other factors or costs. So it sounds like I need to withdraw my motion. What's not like there's still needs to be. We need to work some discussions. Well, again, the last financial consideration is not a consideration of the town. Right. Is that how they do with the town? Scott's here, but I asked what the extent of your agreement was with Terris House and so forth. Oh, you need to come up to a... There's a microphone over there or you can set it. Okay. You need to come up to there's a microphone over there or you can sit up. Okay Curious house had an 11% use agreement nothing in writing It was set up when the SVRA needed to cool back the properties So anyway Sounds like there's some as as far as the town's concerned, that we need to hurt something finally from a neighbor that's not real supportive of this plan. Let's take that for you with us. I understand the concerns that they have, but that's something they're going to have to negotiate with Stonebridge. Question is, is this ordinance proper under the code? Is it, we have an application before us? I don't know any reason why we can deny the application because some parties are bickering over who's going to pay what? We have an application from a landowner. and we're all becoming a bit more and we're becoming a bit more and we're becoming a bit more and we're becoming a bit more and we're becoming a bit more and we're becoming a bit more and we're becoming a bit more and we're becoming a bit more and we're becoming a bit more and we're becoming a bit more and we're becoming a bit more and we're becoming a bit more and we're becoming a bit more And I don't believe it is a proper concern, is the question of blocking views because I believe are we don't have an ability, we don't have a right to view in our code. But I don't remember. We don't have a right to a right to a view per se as some communities have view easements. Yeah. And we don't we don't have those that is a review standard that's considered. Right. Did this go through planning commission? It did. Yeah. Yeah. And these items didn't get brought up to planning commission at that time or as Arnie said, there's really. I mean, I don't know why they're just getting noticed now. I know every time something like this goes on, you got to send notice out and then the planning department makes sure the notices are sent. Yeah. And then what we need to find out was the. The. Up to microphone. The notice I got was this this this one or this meeting and I don't know where the rest of it where the other notices have gone, but I wasn't made aware until I went on the website and I probably should be checking more often, but Well, I should be probably noticed to Habers and that's part of our I'm sure this is a proper math link of the notice Well, I see it guys from here. Steve are you an owner there? Okay, that's probably why you didn't get notice Yeah, but you wouldn't know nobody gonna unless you've asked for special notice and a proceeding. How are you anything? I take that back destination resorts has 20 units in the Stonebridge But I didn't receive a mailing for those 20 units. They own them. Yes Who knows where your notice went? Well on page 90 of our packet mine 65 through 67. It says that all public notification requirements were satisfied. We're following the current state so when our ordinance. And Ted guys not here and they would have done the mailing on the notice. So we can't. That's how the microphone is. The microphone is there. The microphone is there. Can you see this? What? The guys. Yeah. I'm going to need to in the microphone if we're having discussion. Yeah, the president. But the terrorist house board contacted me today. He had got the one day to January 4th for this meeting. Did he receive the other one? No. I didn't ask him but he just called today so I don't think he did. Yeah, but issues around notice. I don't know whether it... You don't know. The sentiment or not. Whether they get them is not the issue. We don't send them out certified return receipt. Yeah, but you send them. And it's what is everybody within 300 feet is that what it is? So clearly, it would have been mailed as well. Well, if there's a question, I guess we can table us to next meeting to find out. It would be my advice that you do that because this is second reading. Yeah. You would start the period on the ordinance and the only remedy to the agreed owners for lack of notice would be a rule 106 hearing. Yeah. And that would be devastating to the applicant. At this point, it's my understanding that the affidavit for notice, which is required, is not been provided. So you can continue your discussion, obviously, the public hearing. I mean, he's got it in his hand, whether it was in time with the time limits and the posting, those are all things that we can verify prior to. So it would be my advice to you to continue this to the next hearing this to the next hearing to the next town council meeting for the second reading on this one. Continue their table. Well, the motion's been made, so I would have to say table it. Okay. Did I make the motion? No, I did. Okay, I moved to table to our next meeting, which is January 19th. 19th. 14.4 p.m. I will not be here but I support this. Okay. Is that a statement? Is that a second motion? Is that a second motion? A second? A second is a table. Thank you. Okay. Call the question. All those in favor of tableings? Who don't have a say aye? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Stangle Continue to continue the and we will continue the public hearing till January 19th 4 a.m At some point after that discussion before there so guys get together I think I did close. I did close up. Thank you. Now we're moving on to 13. Comcast. Item 13. Second reading. 23 series of 2009. Comcast. All right. Item 13. Second reading. Warden 23 series of 2009. Comcast for emphasize the agreement. Warden move. Second. Call the question. There are a couple of minor changes in Com with Comcast that we, you need to understand and that is the date on the cover sheet December 21st. They don't want there. That was actually the date of your last meeting. And on page, the cover sheet of the agreement. Yeah. Page 97. OK. We're going to strike that and just go with the effective date, which is in section 3.4. OK. And then we're going to change that to 2010. Probably that I'd end there was one definitional change based on the decision by council to not go with the access capital advance. So on page 100, the very last sentence, the very last line where it says, governmental unit, there should be a period there, and the rest of that sentence is stricken because it has to do with the capital advances. And then the final sentence, the franchise fees, which is on page 101, state remains the same. The other thing is I did check with them regarding the insurance requirements and they ex at John suggested this was not An amendment made by council. They wanted exactly the way it is and that's what they said they wanted It's good and it's only insurance that they have to provide for themselves naming us How do we care? All we care because it's written incorrectly. So no care. I got your notes, John, and I passed them on. Thank you, Mayor. They did not, regardless. The main point is that these are the limits, and these are the types of insurance. What is written incorrectly. Okay. Okay. But all the ordinance says is that we authorize the town manager, direct him and authorize him to exercise the franchise agreement. So we don't have to amend the ordinance. No. You're just telling us this is the franchise agreement he's going to exercise. Exactly. And I wanted to tell you those happen between the times the fact it was produced tonight. So I want to have you be well. Any comments? All the questions? All the questions. There's a roll call. Ordits. Second reading. Second reading. Is it? Yes. Thanks. Why not? roll call order second reading yes yes no yes yes yes that was more kin and Butler? Mm-hmm. Yes. Thank you. Now we'll move on to item 14. Resolution number six, series 2010, regarding interim building seven performance bond. Mr. Dresser and Mr. Phillips. This is just in pursuit of collecting the bond. The language in the bond has the requirement that the town council has to buy resolution. Say the words that the principal has not installed or completed the improvements to the interim building seven and that has to be done by resolution. Move. Move. Second. That's motion by Mortgian, second by Butler. Just wanted to comment this is no way as slowed down. This is something that council requested John. We are meeting with the surety next week to begin to get into the nitty gritty details of how to implement NRM 7 with the surety. Very good. All those in favor of resolution number six, signify by saying, hi. Hi. Hi. Any opposed? Fast as unanimously. We racked up resolutions tonight. Hey. Where are we? What's done? Moving on, item 15, managers report. Couple things. First item, just want to get a sense. I need to come back to you with a resolution on this, I believe. In October of 2009, the Environmental Advisory Group came to you with a number of requests. One of those requests was supporting $600 for a membership in an organization called I Iqually, which is an international organization of local governments, supporting sustainability. They do a lot in terms of providing grant opportunities, information, but they also have a database that you have free access to to calculate your carbon footprint basically and your energy emissions within the community as a whole. This has been one of the goals of the committee. We do in fact have a little bit more money now in re-op. We have approximately $12,000. Just wondered if we'd be barking up the right tree to ask for $7,000 to pay $7,000 out of that $12,000 to pay for an individual part time through a contract to input data into this database. As a point of comparison, Asman went through a very expensive process of creating their own database. They have a staff of three that kind of continually feeds this database, plus does other programs. That was a very expensive effort. This basically gives us the tool for free. We just need some hours to have an individual work with our various utility companies and input data into this. So based on the input we've gotten from others that have used it, it takes several months of time to do this. And then you have it, you get a report. And you basically understand your carbon footprint, you get a good game plan of how to address energy emissions and reducing that carbon footprint for your community as a whole. So again, this was an action recommended by the group and just wanted to get your sense of this fund. We, yes, my thought on this is, I think anyone can just look at their town and say, yes, we have a carbon footprint. It's probably higher than we could make it, let's make it lower. Do we need to spend money to do that? And I understand having a benchmark is sometimes a good idea, but this fits into my category of unnecessary consulting fees. I agree. What do you do with this? Okay, so now you have this information. Yeah, now you have to have a now- You do. Basically, it's what we did. Another item you authorized was for the town facilities, we did an audit of our facilities that generated a very specific list of ideas to reduce energy efficiency. And that will be coming to you, I believe at your next meeting. That will be an actionable list of opportunities with the idea that we have this half million enhancement fund through Holy Cross that's been sitting there. This would identify other opportunities when the community that are not town controlled to do the same sort of thing. You identify, you know what? The rodeo grounds ought to have different lighting. Okay, but that's town control. So Mr. Wilkinson's house should have different lighting. Mr. Morgan's house should have different lighting. Now we've identified that, which is what I think Councilman was talking about. Okay. Now you identified it. So we just spent $7,000 to say what's obvious. You don't knock on my door and say, well, you gotta have different lines. I say, thank you very much. Goodbye. Bye. I just know what the heck we're going to do with the, you know, basically it's a tool to go after other grant dollars to implement other actions within the community that create significant energy. So it's a framework for asking for outside dollars whether it's helicross enhancement dollars or other dollars that may be available. It gives us a benchmark that we can understand. But we get more than $7,000 back. Then I could, I certainly hope so. I could, I can support that knowing that that is where if it's going to pay itself back. That's going to do it equally though, right? Give you a little sense, I mean, to give you an analogy. We spend several thousand dollars to do an audit of town facilities and that'll leverage probably a couple hundred thousand dollars an actual activity that's fine. And so when you say the town this is really only towns those this is a request to look at the entire community private and public uses and look at where does where do we generate energy where do we have opportunities to save on energy consumption so So we've done it to our first. We've already done it to our first. Right, we did it to our hands. So we've wanted to say that a standard house of 4,500 square feet generates X. So it's really a tool for leveraging additional dollars or whatever else. That's not. Well, it's probably worthwhile to spend in the money then. Is there a consensus among the council? Yes. OK. But what's that got to do with Iql? That was seven. Iql gives you the softwares. Iql gives you the softwares. Iql gives the tool. So we've joined this. We've joined it. It gives us a free tool. to use the data. The translation there. So we have to, yeah. Sorry, I had to double check that. I do want to see what our payback is. I mean, I don't mind spending $7,000, but in the future. But it's a fair, yeah, I want to see payback. Yeah, I like that. Okay. Next item. Next item. Aspen's ski company summer operations. We got into this discussion. When I went back and asked the ski company, exactly what is your position on this? They really indicated why we now would really like some time to think about this. And John emailed you the pertinent document. We reinserted it in your packet. Obviously, the key provisions of this are on page 146 of your packet. John can further elaborate on your three major components section 8. Basically delineates the time frame in which the town has the opportunity to request a three-year term being initiated, B, which is very important to take a look at, talks about what is happening in that three-year term. Basically, it's stating that you have the opportunity to pull the trigger, request that in the time frame specified in A. And then the final sentence, a couple sentences are critical. And then if they take a loss over those three-year period, then they don't have to do it anymore. And this third one, C, essentially says, if it runs out of loss, we could ask them to operate it at our cost. The difference of the loss, not the whole cost, but if they lost $5,000, that we, the town would have the opportunity to say, we'll pay the $5,000 difference to keep this running. We're not paying the whole cost. Presumably so yeah Definitely cost and operations and I probably require some further so The obvious question was is this a condition? I think the first came forward I think it was well received in terms of the actual plan what I noted in the presentation and was discussed at a staff level as it takes What I noted in the presentation and was discussed at a staff level was it takes three years simply to implement the trails component. You did not hear in their presentation what we had heard, but I think you had heard indirectly was, and was certainly part of the discussions in 2004 was putting a new restaurant up there. They've indicated that in three years they would begin construction. And I think as several of you noted that the timing as discussed in A was very purposeful, that by, it was presumed at that time that as 2010 would roll around or more importantly as 13 A would roll around, you'd have critical mass of base village there. And that was all part of the consideration. team A would roll around, you'd have critical mass of base village there. And that was all part of the consideration. So, ski company wants additional opportunity to think about their position. Wanted to make sure you had all the information you had ahead of time and had the opportunity to ask either John or I any questions. There is a preliminary discussion tomorrow between us and the ski company. But if you had any initial thoughts, certainly would appreciate that. But just wanted to provide the information and also answer any questions you might have on the agreement. And obviously there was a lot of history in 2004 behind this. I wasn't here for that, but I do appreciate there was a lot of history, specifically, as it relates to the timing. And so other things have been addressed, for instance, the open space dedication and all those things have been handed over or needed to me. Transferred to the town. All those miscellaneous three parcels. What was the question? Okay, on page 146, open space dedication. 2.5. On number four, June 30th, 2005, this decoupling shall cause to transfer. Transfer will cause to transfer to the town. These are the three parcels. Have those been dealt with and transferred? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. You know, sometimes I hear the things get left out and don't get really finalized. So I just wanted to think that was reading. But the real issue is we don't even know if speako, just telling us that if they don't get the item A notice, they will build this thing. That's when we have to decide, do we tell them? I can't. It's good to have the article agreement. Oh, it's very good to have the article agreement. Oh, I'm sorry. I'll review it. I'll have some comments before we have a discussion next couple days or next week or before the next meeting. So we don't just sit there in the blind with them coming in going, well, um, but this is scheduled to be discussed on the 19th. Yes. Could be. Yeah. They're a way to put it off till the first So I just yeah, it's your calendar. It's your meeting that bother anyone. I won't be here on the 18th It's a particular important. Yeah, yeah This is one that it's entirely up to you whether to send a letter when this is the letter I think we put it off. I'd like to have the whole council. Yeah as much as an attendance John Wilkinson. Yeah, I got a few comments on that I had a chance to review the agreement and I know we can't amend it but it brings up questions for me on going forward with any kind of change of operation in the summer. Number one is the opportunity or the option of taking out the Berlin game lift. I would be very concerned that if in the event after Tuesday. Again, I think you're on page 145. Well, 144 and 145. Let's see where it was at. 3.2 C. Yeah. Skeek I shall notify the town of intent to remove or discontinue. I'm afraid if they exercised that part of this agreement that in the event that after three years that it was not profitable to run the old camp gondola that if the Berlin game lift was to be removed for any reason there would be no option for the town to provide any kind of summer activities. Should I do it? You'd have to pay to operate the six pack. You just close more. Yeah, under this to be clear as John was just saying, you have the right to operate the gondola, not the six pack. No, specifically, they'll operate anything we want as long as we pay for it. Right. Not necessarily. I guess that's that's why it's nobody knows. Who do have this? Well, it does say in here, right? Yeah. A, two dash four. But say about the village of express. It's just the gondola. If the, you know, for some reason the gondola was not financially viable, and the town wasn't able to pay for the difference between the operational costs and the loss, then we would be without any kind of lift in the summertime. You might be talking about D. Which would really be that different from what we have now with a lift to know. Yeah, but I would hate to have that option take away and not have an opportunity to run something. Because the Berlin game, no, it doesn't go anywhere. It still attracts people and it is cost more cost effective $1,500 versus $3,500 a day. It's just an issue for me. I hear you. I just think at that point it's time to run the six pack. I don't get it. I hate to have that option go away. Well, but it's isn't that indeed? I mean, we could put a key. The ski co-elect is this continued operation of the Berlin name lift. The town may and its sole discretion requires the co-continue operate the Berlin game lift as long as we pay for it. Or you could just put a sign that says museum and people with a pay. That's still good. You have to read it in context of the agreement. And if you go up to C, in section 2.2, following this season, SkiCo may elect to remove or permanently discontinue. So D only applies if they permanently discontinue the use, not if they remove it. permanently discontinue the use, not if they remove it. That's really stupid when we put the agreement together. Actually, I wouldn't say that. I think that you provided something based on the representations made by the applicant at the time, with regard to a series of amenities that they, I don't want to say promised but previewed to the council at the El Camp Meadows area with regard to a new restaurant and Alpine slide, horseback riding, fishing ponds, hiking trails, all that stuff, I mean I remember we didn't lock it in. We did not. That's the answer. Well look there's a difference I think too and that the operator of base village is not the Aspen ski company. If I were the operator of base village I'd be highly motivated to continue to operate, or to operate and continue to operate. To provide an amenity to all those guests that would be- I'm saying they're not, but be that as it may. It is what it is. Mr. Green. Mr. Wilkinson. Yeah. Confuse them what they mean on our page 144 with the last paragraph. It says to the end of the 2010 ski season, is that the one we're in now or the one a year from now? How is that normally defined? Is that we're in the own out? That would be the end of the ski season we're in now. Yeah, 09, 10. It's weird. I'm tripping that based on that. So we do have an issue with that day. So they could potentially shut that down at the end of this season They could remove and remove move that's the worst part. Okay moving on the other question is on the definition of operation And what calculates into it yet on 46 what per Yeah For some operation of the El Camp Dandole What perter? B. You have B. For some operation of the Ocamp d'Ole. The attachment on Exhibit A has sample cost categories, but what is, you know, I understand these, but what is intended to be included in their definition of cost? Because that's going to be important in three years from now if indeed it is operating at a loss, how are they calculating that? Are they calculating it on an annual basis? Are they accumulating it? Are they adding any of the capital costs for the development of the restaurant? You know, I would like to see that, like I said, we can't change this agreement, but I need to be more comfortable with how they're going to see that, like I said, we can't change this agreement, but I need to be more comfortable with how they're going to define that if indeed we're going to be subsidizing the summer usage after three years. The loss is on on-mountain activities. And that's really the important thing that I'm going to stand. They can make a profit in operating the gondola, and we still have to pay to operate the gondola if the overall on mountain activities over a three-year period. Right. And it's over a three-year period average. Is it? Is it? That's another question. Is it over a three-year average? That's why I've received the next question. That's what it says. Now, that's why I keep emphasizing. That's the problem. It's going to take, it's a three year implementation, the way they articulate it. I will lose over the next three years, because I haven't got any of that. The first couple of years would be a real tough time very to make a buck. I think someone in the gallery, Mr. Mayor, has something he'd like to say. Please look forward to the microphone, Mr. Bumlin. Again, Mayor. A little, a little historic perspective here. This was an experimental period that should only be triggered by us when you've got enough people here. And the whole thought was, base village by the time you sent the letter was basically done. So you'd have the body of people to do this so that you have a true experiment. If we pulled the trigger by sending the letter now, you've got, as Russ said, two, maybe even three years of very depressed activity here during that summer. And you can be sure they're not going to be in an economic state to do it. And you will be paying for it. So it's very premature with what we've got here, sort of a half-built hotel because it's likely the rooms that are in that hotel now, which are about half of what it is because they're not closed and they ain't going to close in the near term. We're not going to have a lot of people around here this summer to begin this experiment. I think it'd be a terrible mistake for you guys to push the trigger. They may still want to do it, but you shouldn't be losing that, because it's going to cost the town a lot of money. Yeah. I think there's two things. I mean, Steve did a great job of communicating a plan to you, which I think the timing would be wonderful for merchants, for our economy, for them to begin to implement it. That's one set of issues. And then you really have another set of questions. If this is a condition, and I think they need to determine whether it is or is. Thank you. Thank you. I'll get back to the budget from the marketing special events. Page 55 of our packet, it said, somewhere chairlift, they had marked zero. That's correct. That's the condition. With the comment, which I remember seeing last meeting, I forgot where it was, request counsel to ask ECO to turn on every year running of a summer and lift requirement so I just want to make sure you've understood that also that they will be anyway going back and trying to find some more money because right now we do not have many money in the air for the summer lifts by the marketing boards budget. That's that's part of the problem you, the tail is wagging the dog. So I just wanted that to be a understood. So no, I think we're right. I think we have to have some more discussion and try to understand what's going on. I appreciate Mr. Dresser, our attorney, last meeting saying to look at this a little closer. And to make the decision at that point. Your facial expressions last quite or last year sorry. There's new years. Yes it was. Okay. Can you feel like a precision? Yeah exactly. I just have one more other comment that I'd like to discuss is the NEPA issue where they said they're going to have to do a NEPA review of this espresso trail The one that goes from Elk Camp Restaurant. Yeah At the same time if you're doing that why not take a look at Doing the NEPA review on bikes on the Elk Camp Charlotte because they said that they can't do it because it needs to go through NEPA But if they're doing NEPA on the espresso, why not do it at the same time? And at least have that taken place at the same time. For tomorrow. Oh, and they get here, you can ask them that, but maybe NEPA is not too neat to you. But the hell is NEPA? It's a... National environmental policy. It's a complicated process you have to go through. For sure. I just want to ask them to do that. I'm just asking to. Why can't they? Staff. What you're saying is to us, we meet with them tomorrow. Ask them that. Is to ask them this question. Thank you. Right. Well, and it is just so you know we've had that discussion. We've also talked directly with the Forest Service. And you know, there's still more process with the four service in with NEPA to go to fully implement the plan you saw the other week. I'd really hate to close the door on the opportunity or potential of having mountain bikes going up the Altcamp chairlift on certain dates. Now I had a full time thing, but there are opportunities that we could run a world class bike race here and without the extension of the trail to the top of El Camp. You can't do it. Well, you can do it, but it just wouldn't be world class. Yeah. You know, we have world class environment here. Why not? And if NEPA processes, we can't do that. That's fine, but I'd hate to not take that opportunity while we have the opportunity. Okay. There's nothing else. I'll grant you there are a lot of issues outside of the squares of this document. Yeah, documents really important. It is. It is. Okay, you need to fully understand that as you move forward into, I mean, they don't need our, the town's approval to put in these trails. Right. So I'll have to add about that. I mean, they don't need the towns approval to put in these trails. Right. So I'll have that. I mean, exactly. A couple other miscellaneous things got to go to a couple of homeowners association meetings, including the Country Club Town Homes, which you own three of those units. They went through a detailed presentation on some of the costs that we expect to see in a fifth assessment that will be coming out shortly. They did have an independent audit of their costs and the project occurred which was an idea that we discussed with the deed restricted homeowners. They also indicated at that meeting additional assessments were coming with driveways and new roughs. So again no surprise in just a confirmation of what we've discussed in the past. Also will be following up with the ski company. We did monitor the tree house activity. I guess the good news in this is that we had one of the peak days at the ski school. So we had bodies in town. We did see problems on at least four days in the morning and in the afternoon and we did put our people out. We put officers out and I think again we need to plan for success and it's something that we'll talk about with this key company in terms of assisting with traffic control. But I think that will be an ongoing challenge there during peak times and I think they have some responsibility. I think we may have some responsibility at Wood Road and Lower Carriage Way. And it's about a 20, 30 minute problem. But it's acute and it can be a safety issue during that 20 to 30 minutes. And then finally, with the holidays, we intend to give you a financial update on February 1st. Presuming we do have sales tax in for December. I'm sure you've all heard a lot of nianna doodle stories about good things, but lots of people here are people spending. And I'm just holding my breath until I see the data, the information. We'll share that with you and share with you any thoughts of taking any further measures with our budget in 2010. Okay. All right. Oh, good, nice. Arnie. Uh, comment about the problem with SkiCo and traffic control, etc. outside the treehouse. It had to be within the last week and a half. Driving down carriageway past the tree house. There's a great big sign on the bus stop that says, raft the buses do not stop here. And there was a raft of bus stop there. Blocking traffic, by the way. You couldn't get around the thing. One of our buses was behind it, and I was behind the whole group. And I thought to myself, gee, I thought the raft of bus was supposed to stop here. So, you know, and if our buses are stopping, which they are supposed to stop there, they need to pull out of the roadway. That's why we built this pull out. So would you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Maybe else about Russ's manager's report. Okay. Moving on. Moving on. Moving on. Oh no. We have a agenda for next chance meeting on tab M. 30. Can we move the line? We got a number of changes from this meeting. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. This is the date that your Joe has, Joe coffee scheduled for the response for the request for proposals for real estate brokerage services. So you'll have that stuff. That'll be on the agenda as well. So it's not on here. This is also the date that we've got on here for you. Does that damage indeed restricted for us? Yes. Yes. In last meeting, we only had three people here. And I really wanted to have a full council for that. Do you want to wait until all five of you are registered for that one? Bring that one back. OK. Okay, so we'll move that. Okay, so that's not going to be the comp plan to February 16th. Yeah. We're going to put the ski company item off to February 1. Yeah. And we're going to add the Stonebridge condominium beauty because we continued it tonight. Okay. So I got to be a pretty thing else. At this point it meeting but you know That's again next meeting reads the only one out for that meeting Okay, at this time and again, I assume we've given council calendars. Yep. Okay Item 17 approval of the meeting minutes for November 16th 2009 Item 17 approval of the meeting minutes for November 16, 2009. So moved. Let's read. Second. Second by Markey. Reloist. On page 164, online. 429. Yeah, maybe just take out that sentence that starts with my last name. Okay, and then on 443 on the next page, safe to save. That's all I have. There's a typo. I'm sure you probably picked that up over on line 248 Yeah, I'm So 16 Okay I Know I had something Words series So it's not any new and any new land use application. It's restricted to certain areas within the town. Where are you? A 251 right there underneath. Oh, but this is the same. The series is spelled wrong on 248. Yeah. And it says, more term on the acceptance of any new land application. That's not accurate. That's not accurate. And also the 254 through 258. I was reading that today, there's some unnecessary language in there. So I thought you were thinking that's not mine. Go ahead and move on. I'm going to take out all the bad words. Thank you. Okay. Arne? No, just that. I need to go back. the bad words. Thank you. Okay. Um, Arnie? I need the back. Never mind. Okay. What those changes, polls and favour of the minutes? What if I say aye? Aye. Any opposed? Do you remember who made the motion in second? Okay. Marky. Thank you. No, we do. Lewis and Butler. Yeah. Marky. Thank you. No read Lewis and Butler. Yeah. Okay council comments committee reports calendars. When are we going to put on the discussion of establishing a urban renewal district? We've got that think, ten of these scheduled February. Again, take a look at that matrix in the town managers report. If you don't see an action and I think, urban renewal February 1st. Okay, let's find out. We're not planning on having the attorney come up. We are not. We are not. Okay. Planning on that cost. But really going back through that process, I think John and I would like to amplify a few points again in that. But let's not put that off. Nope. So we're February 1st. Could you put it on for our next? How busy is the February 1st? Because next, oh, we don't be here. We won't be here. We won't read. So what? But everybody knows this story. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Anything else down there? Oh, I forgot to thank Reed for bringing in the Colgate 13. That was just a spectacular concert in front of your story the other day. Good crowd. You brought them in, Reed? Oh, they happen to be here. I'm just going to be here. I'm just going to be here. I'm just going to be here. I'm just going to be here. I'm just going to be here. I'm just going to be here. I'm just going to be here. I'm just going to be here. I'm just going to be here. I'm just going to be here. I'm just going to be here. I'm just going to be here community having to walk sometimes between oh Creekside Mountain View down the trail. Is there a way that we can sort of have that trail groomed or not groomed slash? Is this the trail that's it's it's not a paved trail this is the paved trail. Are you talking behind between Creekside and the Creek? Yeah yeah because aren't we not, we're grooming that for skiing or something? No, I thought that was, I'm sorry, different. Basically, you know, the little bobcat that we have has a blower on it, it might be nice if we can keep that clean a little more frequently. Same going all the way up to creek side on the brush creek trail. Right, because where people are having to walk now a little more or they're choosing to walk And if we can have that trail a little more cleaned or is it nicer because it's no longer to keep it from being icy walking down it What do you think I don't wait on use we don't maintain that far up? Do we know I think they use the Modified four-wheeler room for both walking and Nordic up to base village. Right. And then that section from there on up, I really don't know. Let me get back with you, Bill. It'd be nice if I could be. Yeah, I'd have to be. Let me get back to the council. We're beginning to, we've even herded some additional maintenance responsibilities with the new sidewalk. Okay. That thank you, Reed, for the nudge on that from the raft to bus stop up to the viceroy. So let me see what we can do if there's a cost. I'll bring it back to you. Okay. Yeah. And it doesn't matter if it's groomed because it has not on the Nordic. No, I didn't think it was. Someone's over the bus. It's not groomed one because it's not on the Nordic. No, I didn't think it was. Someone's over the bush. That's not necessarily plowing, but even if we packed it like some of our other. I just think we get our boar in there just to cut out the snow, you know, once in a while. But if it was packed, it's easier to walk on actually then because on the steepness of the grade, if you're trying to keep it plowed, I think I don't want to ask me that. Let me check. I think no, and you better offer. So that's all I have. Mr. Wilkinson. I just had a couple of things. I have noticed a lot of people walking up Wood Road between the raft of bus stop on brush Creek Road and the vice-roy. But also they're walking up on the west side of Wood Road where there is no sidewalk. And I've, there's a real safety hazard. Have you noticed that? We have a sidewalk going on there anymore, but up from the other side. Right. Yeah, they're walking on the base-village side. Yeah, on the base-v billy side of the road and I've noticed a lot of people doing that when there's a sidewalk on the other side. It's just a safety hazard. I don't know if we want to put signs or do something. Right now most of our employees are going up and we, I mean, there's a brand new sidewalk. Right. We have that related put in on their dime. Right. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's so cool. Because I walked up there new years eve and I walked in the middle of the road because it was safer than walking on the sidewalk. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. The road was heating all the way. No, no, no, no. Where it's even where it's not heated. Okay. Okay. And that's when I was sober. So noted. So noted. So noted. I just have one more comment and it goes back to I had the opportunity to sit in the court for a judge I You know Not litman. No, right Lawson Lawson will there's wills and I was really appreciative of his Handling the court in his way of handling the cases that were in five of them. You know he was very firm but you could see there was you know some reasonableness to his decision making ability and I wanted to pass that on to him that I really appreciated his perspective and how we dealt with our community and I had not been in a courtroom situation with him and I think it was really interesting to see how we handled cases coming from our community. And did you see that last meeting? No, I thought you had some coming. Well, but you see, you was on the agenda. He was on the agenda. And I was unable to speak to it until now. So I just wanted to bring that up. Thank you. Mr. Morton. Snow is great on you. Thank you. Mr. Morton. Snow is great on board. Thank you. The Aspen skiing company for providing such great snow, getting a little sparse, but very good. The grooming is excellent. And we should all stay very warm for the next few days because apparently we're going to freeze. No, no, no, no, no further comments. Thank you, Henry. But the nine grooming stuff is even better. Well, okay. I'm moved to adjourn. Yeah, thank them for that. Motion to adjourn by Reed, second by. Mortkins to Mortkins. All's in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Hi, record time. you you