Good morning ladies and gentlemen, Dint and County Commissioner's Court for Tuesday, November 18th, 2008 is now in session. This morning, I am indicated by Dr. Bing Burton, Director of our Health Department and our pledges will be led by Sherry Gross, Chief Administrator for Commissioner Precinct 2, you please stand. Pray with me please. We praise you, O God. We acknowledge you to be the Lord. We thank you for the bounteous harvest that you daily and richly provide. We pray you're blessing upon this commissioner's court and the work that will be done here today. And we ask you to continued blessing upon our nation. Remind us, Lord, in times of economic turmoil that you are a very present help in time of trouble. Help us to put our trust in you for Jesus' sake. Amen. Are you joining the pledges? A pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic of which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. the on the Texas flag the Texas one say one is for public input for items not listed on the agenda if there's any member of the public that would like to address commissioners court, we ask that you please complete a public comment form available on the side table here from the aid to the court. We'd be glad to hear from you. We'd like to also remind everyone at this time to please turn off your cell phones and pages. We have some time agenda items that we need to take care of first who will go to item four A. It's a public hearing to approve an amendment to the Lake Ray Roberts Land Use ordinance for zoning change from agricultural to residential medium density district. For the Wharton Survey abstract 1360 track 10 precinct one is recommended by the Lake Ray Roberts Planning and zoningoning Commission. Meaning the motion to go into our public hearing. Motion by Commissioner Marchand, seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, Sen. Motion does carry. First, welcome to the other hand from Kathy. Good morning, Kathy. As your commissioners. The applicant, owner of the property, Mr. Josh Chandler came before the Planning and Zoning Commission asking for this change. He owns a three and a half acre track of land that is directly east of Butterfield Junction and he would like to develop these two lots as Butterfield Junction Phase 2, R3, whatever it is. But the Planning and Zoning Commission did find this conforms to family life and promotion of recreation around the lake, but they did condition his request that it will not be divided into any more than two lots, and each lot will be 1.83 acres. They do recommend approval. Thank you. Was there any public comment concerning his request? No ma'am, there was no public comment. There was several. Yes, there was. Ms. Barbara Richards was concerned about the possibility of one acre lots, but she was relieved of that with their condition response. Thank you. Is there anyone in attendance that would like to address Commissioner's Court concerning this proposed zoning change in the Lake River Roberts Planning zoning area? Anyone in attendance would like to address the Court on this issue. Hearing none, do we have a motion to close our public hearing? Motion by Commissioner Mitchell, seconded by Commissioner Marchin. On favor, please say aye aye a post-syncing motion does carry Chair will move for approval of 4 a Seconded by Commissioner Ease Hearing no comments all in favor please say aye Aye Post-syncing motion does carry We'll go on to 4b which is also public hearing to deny and amend the Lake Ray Roberts Lane News ordinance for a variance from the conditions placed on the previous zoning change from agricultural to residential medium density district for the J. I as I'd survey abstract 652 track for precinct one is recommended by the Lake Ray Roberts Planning and Zoning Commission. Again, we need a motion for our public hearing. Motion by Commissioner Marchion, seconded by Commissioner Mitchell, all in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed to the name? Motion does carry. Kathy? Younger applicant, Mr. Mark Voguelly, kind of for the Planning and Zoning Commission in September of 2006. And was granted a zoning changed to create a residential subdivision which he has done called timber like trails. At that time the motion was conditioned that there be no fewer than 25 acre lots and that no lot in the subdivision be less than two acres. Mr. Voguely came back to us and made application in September of this year requesting a variance from those conditions. He would like to split some of his two acre lots into, I mean his five acre lots into two acre lots. There were several people in attendance. There were some letters, there was one letter of protest. There were two letters of support, but there was also several members of the public attending the PNZ meeting that did not support this, and they were all concerned about there being more two-acre lots than was originally granted. After lengthy discussion with the members of the public and among the PNZ commissioners, they did vote unanimously to deny his request and let the original zoning with its condition stand. Thank you. Does anyone intend to like to address commissioners court on the proposed request for a variance from the conditions placed on the previous zoning change from agricultural to residential medium density. Anyone in tends to like to address commissioners court in this issue. We did have one public comment form from Mr. Crowders, but he said he only wished to speak if somebody was here to speak. I also need to mention it was in the report also, but because it was a denial the requirements in our like Ray Roberts sland use book ordinance required that it be passed by a super majority of the court whether you overturn our deny anyone in attendance that would like to address commissioners court on this issue what thank you we have a motion to close the public hearing. Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. On favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed to the name? Motion does carry. We now need a motion to either... Motion to deny in other words supporting the decision of the Lake Ray Roberts planning and zoning commission. Thank you. We have a motion by Commissioner Marchant. The chair will second the motion. Is there any discussion? Hearing none on favor please say aye. Aye. Aye opposed say name. Motion does carry. Okay. motion is carrying. Okay, well we're not quite to the time to have our last public hearing here. Let's go to the consent agenda, which is item 2. Members, is there anything on the consent agenda that you need to discuss or do that a motion for approval? Motion by Commissioner Eads Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. I'll in favor please say aye. Aye opposed in in motion. Does Carrie? Consent agenda today consists of approval of the ordermaking appointments Today that consists of two new hires and the tax disaster collectors office and new higher criminal district attorney's office New hire for juvenile post adjudication the promotion in the county jail Promotion in the sheriff mental health unit a re hire in adult probation and a promotion and public works planning That's to a to be is approval of the intro departmental transfers and toB is approval of the Intra Departmental Transfers and 2C is approval of the appointment of C. Blair and Robin Cole jet to the Denton County Historical Commission. Members I'm pulling 3A. We're not going to take any action on that today. I received some supplemental information yesterday concerning Ash Grove, which is a company here at Denton County. So I need to amend again the resolution that I put on. I'm sorry to do that a second time, but I want this to be right. My goal here is to work towards cleaning the air, but at the same time we don't want to encourage anybody being put out of business. So that's going to be reformatted and sent out to you. I believe in the next agenda. So there'll be no action on 3A. Okay. Okay. Let's go to 4C, which is our last public hearing. This is regarding the approval of installing the stop sign at the intersection of Barnett Road and Doyle Road. This is in Commissioner Prisning for. First, we need a motion to go into our public hearing. Motion by Commissioner Eid. Seconded by Commissioner Marchin. the motion is in Commissioner Prissing for. First we need a motion to go under our public hearing. Motion by Commissioner Eid. Seconded by Commissioner Marchand. On favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed say aye. Motion does carry. Commissioner Eid, would you like to tell us about this? It's Judge Lyssummer, didn't County Road and Bridge West paved two roads, Barnett Road and Doyle Road west of Crumb and because we've paved that we will be increased traffic to the road and our road bridge, Foreman, Mike Burton recommends we go ahead and put a stop sign at that intersection. So that's what we of or opposed to. Is there anyone intended so would like to address commissioners court on the proposed stop sign at the intersection of Barnett Road and Doyle Road. Anyone in attendance would like to address commissioners court on this issue. Hearing none, let's close our public hearing. Motion by Commissioner Ead, seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, Sinene. Motion does carry. Now we need a motion for approval. I move that we install a stop sign at the intersection of Barnett Road and Dole Road. Motion by Commissioner Ead, seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. Hearing no discussion, all in favor, please say aye. Aye, opposed to sinning. Motion does carry. Aye. Okay. Let's now go to item three C. Three C is a presentation by the city of Denton regarding the tax increment financing reinvestment zone, TIFF number one, and possible approval of a resolution regarding the TIFF. Good morning, Linda. Thank you for being here today. Good morning, and thank you for having me today. I'm Linda Ratlow. I'm the Director of Economic Development for the City of Denton. And as required by the TIFF Statute, I need to make a presentation to you today. We need to notify all of our taxing entities for the intent to form the TIF and we did so back in June and then we met with Judge Horn and with Commissioner Eads regarding the TIF. so we've met those two requirements. Also, we're required to make a formal presentation to each taxing entity and provide you with the proposal of the TIF, the boundaries, the alternative plans for projects, and an estimate of what that TIF will generate. These are the boundaries of the TIF. It's approximately 400 acres. It is the core of our downtown plus some additional areas. You'll notice that we've included the area where our transit station will be located on Hickory Street. And a lot of the area was included because about 141 acres in our downtown is in the flood plain and in order to remove that property from the flood plain it will take some public infrastructure dollars and so once we do that those 141 acres will be able to be redeveloped. This is just the principle of the TIFF. As you know, you look at your base valuation as it is today, and over the proposed 30-year TIFF that we have, that value, including your business personal property tax, remains in your general fund. And then as the increment, the increase in value in the TIFF area increases, it would go into a a fund and those funds would be used for public infrastructure. It's a tool that cities and counties may use in order to improve need infrastructure and structures in the commercial area of downtowns. You can also use a TIF and a green field area for a project to develop infrastructure, but there are two different types of TIFs, and this is one for an urban redevelopment area. Then you have to have reasons for initiating the process, and those reasons are that either the area is unproductive under developer-blindeded or that it is predominantly an open space as a green tiff might be or adjacent to a federally assisted new community. The city of Denton is recommending that we use this first criteria. It's unproductive under development blighted and there are then criteria under that that you have to qualify for at least one of those and here are the ones that we are including in our reasons for forming this tip. Deteriorated or deteriorating structures, there are a couple of pictures that kind of give you an idea of some of the structures in the downtown that could be replaced or rebelled or redeveloped. Also the deterioration of site or other improvements. Approximately 83,000 linear feed of water and wastewater lines in the tip need to be replaced at some point. Almost 40% are a substandard in size, which would make it very difficult to add a large development downtown and also a little over 40% or 50 years or older. Also as I mentioned before, 141 acres of the area are in the floodplain. We've estimated a 72 million dollars to bring all 141 acres out of the floodplain. And of course the TIFF can't do everything, but this just gives you an idea of the impact of the existing infrastructure. Also defective and adequate sidewalks are street layout. This is Hickory Street and there's the railroad tracks and just on the other side is our future transit station and as you can see there are no sidewalks to lead towards our downtown or to the county courthouse in the other direction. Again here's some used to be sidewalks and some one of these sidewalks. This one really doesn't look very bad but it's very difficult to maneuver it at such an angle that if you were disabled, it would be very difficult to maneuver. Narrow sidewalks with some impossibility for the one on the left for right there is probably not really even a sidewalk I guess. The next thing is conditions that endanger life or property by fire or other causes such as flooding. If you all remember right across the street from you we had this terrible fire and the buildings in our downtown are not sprinkled so that condition still exists and then here are two pictures of our flood from last year in our downtown. The projects for the plan as you know there's a need for parking in our downtown we're doing the city's doing a study right now to determine where a parking structure would be appropriate. Transportation would cover the streets. Street skate projects would include the sidewalks. I provided you with information in your backup about the five catalyst projects that we have. One of them being the transit station, the utility and drainage improvements that I mentioned, and total participation with the city and the county would be 47.5 million over the 30 years. The base value right now is 221 million, but that does not include your 114 million in the business personal property. At the end of the term, it's estimated that the value would be 452 million, which is an increase of 231 million over the base. This is our request for county participation. As you see, the city is participating at 100% the first five years, the next five years 95, the next 10, 90% in the last 10, 85%. We're asking that the county participate at the 190, 85 and 80%. This is the same percentage that you participated in the Flower Mound Tiff that you approved for. Shows that the city would be contributing a little over 35 million and nearly 12 million would be the county's contribution for over the 30 years. You are not required to make a decision today. The requirement is of me to make this presentation, but we will be having a public hearing on December the 9th, and it will be very beneficial to us if you tell us your intention today because it will make a difference in the amount of money and the projects that we're able to accomplish in the tip, and I know that the council is awaiting your decision. I've provided you with two sample resolutions for consideration, one for participation and one declining participation and I'm available for questions if you have any. Do we have any questions for Linda at this time? Excuse me, a couple public comment forms. We'll go ahead and call them at this time. I don't know really which one came first, but first we have Mr. Ralph Ramsey. Good morning and thank you for being here today. The gentleman opened up some prayer this morning. He's got to pray for the tiff. So I'd like to bring you back up here and having pray for our tiff. I'm Ralph Ramsey with Elk River Investments. We have over 50,000 square feet of space and downtown. So we're committed to downtown. I hope you guys have seen some of our projects that we do and the quality of work that we like to do. You know, if you look at the economics and some of you may own properties down in downtown Dent, but if you look at the economics of downtown Denton, there's better investments that are places. And really it's kind of hard to believe that, but investors in downtown Denton truly invest in downtown Denton because they love downtown Denton. And they, Capitol has shoes, you know, Sparky Pearson, John Pearson, the guy that I work with. He says it all the time. Capitol has shoes and Capitol can go to the places and it will go to the places. And even the people that love Downtown Denton will go to other places, give a gift to a point to where their Capitol is not making a return on their investment like it should. And it's already fairly thin. You know, our investments in Downtown Denton can be anywhere from 3 to 5% lower in return than other parts of the city. I give you a perfect example that is footwear south. Footwear south is a tip district and that area is getting a lot of focus from investors because they did think they did a $60 million tip in footwork south and if you I would love to drive you over there because we we are investing over there now. I'd love to show you the difference in south footwork south and north footwork south which is where all the redevelopment started in footwork. South is in the south side and they they did infrastructure they took the old infrastructure and streetscapes and redeveloped it, which the private investor can't do. We have to wait for that to happen and then develop around it. And if you look at the difference between footwear South and footwear North, the rents are anywhere from five to ten dollars cheaper. I mean less expensive. The rents are anywhere from five to $10 cheaper, I mean less expensive, it's just a blighted area in the north, which is closer to downtown, which is interesting, but I think that's how they did it. They started the south side and moved towards downtown because they know that the north part, well once they do it, it'll pick up. So I would love to show you example, a clear example of that. I'll drive you over there and show you how, and you can talk. I can put you in touch with two or three of the active brokers and investors over there, and you can see the difference in pricing and difference in values. And I'll say one example of downtown Denton that I just got recently. We had a seller that wants to sell a property that's in the flood area of downtown Denton and that property should be worth half a million. He's going to get he should be it should be worth half a million he's probably going to get 250,000 because it's in the flooded area. I mean that's one property And that's over and over and over again, if you drive through the area that floods in downtown Denton. And so, anyway, I want to, I appreciate all the work you guys do. I'm a transplanted Denton. I came from the garland area. I couldn't get here fast enough. But when I bring people to Denton, I bring them to downtown. My parents come in town or my wife's parents come in town, we take them to downtown Denton. And it's a great area. But for us to take it to the next level, we have to have your support. Thank you. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. Mr. Alex Payne. Good morning. Morning, thank you for having us today. Echo on some of what Ralph said, but also, Linda did a good job of showing the public improvements that are in need of being addressed. But I think the big issue here and where it becomes a benefit to the city is to have this city beyond the square itself. Sometimes we think of downtown and we think of the square, but our downtown is much larger than that and you know you get off of our square a couple blocks and maybe you maybe you've been here a while and you've gotten used to it but as an outsider that's come here for the first time I get comments a lot times that that's kind of a sketchy area that it seems like a run-down area so let's keep that in mind and you talk about bringing people to downtown. Sometimes you have to navigate your way down here the best way possible so that you don't drive them through certain parts of our city that really and truly are a blighted area. So anyway, I think the important thing to state here is that the improvements that we are proposing that the city would initiate and pay for our improvements to a developer make a project down here not feasible. So we're not talking about putting pain on a building. We're talking about seeing four or five run down car lots or something like that being torn down and a major significant $15, $20 million development put back in its place and without a tip or some other tool for redevelopment it just won't happen on its own and that's where we are economically at this time and if you look to other cities of our country and our state obviously the examples of Fort Worth and Dallas and San Antonio of all utilize the TIFF as a as a tool for redevelopment efforts and have seen great success with that and then like I said with within our own county where I know that the cities and counties are participated in Louisville and Flower Mound, we've seen it utilized. So Denton obviously needs it, I believe, and the county I think could benefit from that, just as a user, employer, and a stakeholder who has property down here that if they were to sell, I could see an improvement in their values as things start to improve down here. So I thank you again for our time and hope you consider our proposal. Thank you very much. I don't mean to call anybody off to have a question. Jane, would you help me out here? Explain to me, this is the first tip that I've been a party to. Would you explain to me what the impact of our future tax dollars would be on a tip if we decided to support it? Explain to me how this works. Okay. Our participation, which is- County Tuesday to participate as proposed by the city. All the property in that area outlined would be flagged as part of the TIF district. The, we establish a baseline valuation on all the property in that area and Then each year after once we start participating each year we'll collect our taxes the way we always have from all the various Land owners business owners whatsoever that will go be paid to the county and full And we will actually get a bill from the TIFF For the all the taxes above that baseline valuation. It's an incident that's the increment and the city is proposing that we would participate at between 100 to 80% for 30-year period. So for that 30-year period, we would be foregoing the additional tax revenue from tax based growth in that area in the entirety. So we would basically we would collect the money then we would write a check to check to the TF once a year for all the tax, all that incremental taxes. We would not lose any tax money that we're currently getting, we would be foregoing between 180% of all additional growth, you know, due to the improvements made, and the idea of the tip is it's going to enhance that, it's going to, with an infrastructure improvements and the road improvements, drainage improvements, it's going to enhance that area, it's going to enhance investment there so that value, fully expect that value to go up and I've shown you in our examples how much. We would be foregoing all that additional tax revenue as far as the county budget is involved until our participation and until it is finished which would be 30 years. And then they would take the money that is rebated to them above that base level. Yes. They would pay it against any loans or any. I think in this that's how they generally work. Generally the district would issue some bonds for the improvements. I believe this one, the proposal is to actually not issue bonds just take the tax money and pay directly for that, but it can work either way. They pay directly for the improvements or they can pay either way. They get paid directly for the improvements or they can pay off the debt. That's the issue to do the improvements and they want to do the improvements faster. You bet. James is absolutely correct, but I'll put my old tax assessor hat on here and tell you that as these properties increase in value, that value does come to us in the certified value and does figure into the tax rate calculation if I'm not mistaken. So we have the additional value but you're not getting the benefit. Well, you aren't, you aren't. You get the money but then you pay it into the tip. So it does affect your tax rate too. Are there any other questions at this time? I'm sorry? Well actually I have one here. Mr. Robert Moses. Thank you. Good morning. Thank you for being here. Good morning. Thank you for letting me speak. My name is Robert Moses. I live in Corinth at 1702 Pine Hills Lane. My wife and I are property owners of one of the buildings on the square, building the houses, Beth Marie's and elements of design. We're also co-owners in those two businesses. The small fry compared to Alex and her out, but I'm also very interested and concerned with seeing both the city and the county having a long-term commitment and long-term plans to continue helping the downtown part of our city become healthy. When we bought that building 11 years ago on a Saturday we pulled up a trailer in front of both those two facilities and had no trouble finding parking places. What we've seen to our enjoyment is that the commitment of the city and of the people involved to improve our downtown and to bring more and more healthy business to the downtown has resulted in a traffic problem and a parking problem. And that's a good problem in some ways to have because that means that we're becoming healthier and healthier. I think it requires a long term commitment, not a short term commitment, in order to continue to see that growth. And my concern is that if bonds or other, a shorter, excuse me, shorter term financial means My concern is that if bonds or other shorter Excuse me shorter term financial means are used to Develop this long-term plan that the commitment to may not be there That's when I look at a tiff that has actually this long-term 30-year involvement It's being a very good thing because it lets the merchants, it lets the local business owners make some plans and I encourage you to look at that. I'm trying to decide right at this time whether to go forward with the plans to put the second story back on top of my building. Those buildings on the south side of the square, some of you may realize burned off in the 50s and the 70s. That whole south side used to be two story. I've got a 6,000 foot print on that building that I have to make a financial decision whether to go forth with all of the problems that I can foresee in that 120-year-old, 30-year-old building of putting a second floor back up on top of it. And whether it's worth it or it's financially worth it, I'm 68, whether I want to undertake that, that hassle with the inspectors and everything else. So those decisions, they weigh on the larger investor and developer, like Ralph and Alex, they also play an important part to your local merchant and your local property owner. So I'd ask you to please keep that in mind. Thank you for considering this, Tiff. Thank you, we appreciate your time. Any further questions from members? All right, Marty Rivers. Good morning, Marty. Thank you for being here. I have a couple of points I wanted to follow up on. I don't think we're mentioned or we didn't make sure we emphasize. First of all, I'm also the vice chair of the economic development partnership board for the city of Denton. That board is made up of city council members, President of University of North Texas, two chamber representatives and two of our largest representatives of our largest taxpayers. And this has gone through that board. That board is what's making the recommendation to the city of Denton. So we have people that have been involved in this for many years, working on downtown. When we formed that board, downtown Denton was one of the major points of emphasis that we wanted to make sure we took care of and would stimulate economic growth. Our TIFF recommendation is not asking you guys to do anything different than you have already done in other cities. What is different is you guys are based right here in downtown Denton, you know a significant amount of property and it's going to help you as you work to move out of those properties and sell those the value is only going to increase. So as you consider this recommendation in my opinion there's no reason why you shouldn't be, if you were going to do any TIFF in Denton, this would be the one you'd want to do. We have a unique situation, we have an older city, places like Flare Mound, it's all new, we've got major infrastructure issues that you've seen and you guys are right down here in the middle of it. Parking, how many of you in the past have had to go park and go move your car and park move your car, we're working on that as well. So my suggestion is that you guys have a direct benefit as a county to participate in this. Also, the the board, the tip would create a board which you guys would be a part of. So you would have, I don't know the parameters been set up, but have a vote in how that money is spent. So you guys will have representation with how the money is spent in the TIFF because you have a stake in that. Also, I don't know if it was emphasized enough, but what's not included in this is the business property tax. We've already estimated that in this area, that the business property tax is about half the amount of the real property tax, that's estimated to go up with this, so you'll get to benefit while this tip is going on of having the additional taxes there. Also, the TIFF, I want to make sure you guys really understand this, you're part of that, and the part that we're recommending to the city is capped. So that amount we set aside at $11.9 million if everything goes better than expected and it's not going to last 20 years you'll get that in 10 or 12 so it's we don't keep going if it doesn't go as well as we think then you never get to the 11.9 million dollars so hopefully that'll go faster and the tiff will be over and you'll get your extra money faster. So just a few points I want to follow up on. I appreciate your time. Thank you today. Thank you. I believe the business property taxes included with the it's not included with the personal property. I mean the real property that's collected in the TIF and Marty was right. We did do an estimate and it's about 50% in this area. It's a little bit, it's a larger percentage when you get out. I just wasn't clear on that point. Thank you. Okay, we have one other public comment form from Jerry Mulhelminski. It does not wish to speak but he just wants to indicate that he is in favor of the theft. So anyone else in attendance that would like to address commissioners court on this issue? Anyone else that would like to address this either in favor of or opposed to? Thank you. Commissioner Ease, did you? Sure. Thank you, Judge. And I want to thank y'all who came out today and spoken favor of this. Thank you, Linda, for all your hard work and your staff in dealing with me and Judge Horne. I know you'll brief us about this. We've been in discussions multiple times this summer. But I'd like to take just a second to kind of step back and talk about how I came to the decision today to not support the TIFF. My family has a long history and tradition here in Ditton County and fifth generation from Ditton County. I still have the horse drawn wagon that my great grandfather came to the county and they used to ride it up here to the square and trade on Saturdays and so forth. So I have a real love for Ditton County and this courthouse and the square and downtown and I put my pride for downtown up against anyone in this room but I think and I have a real estate background too, as some of the people who spoke today, and I understand the impact for local investment. And I'm not doubting the need for local investment. I think it's a question of who should do it, and how we should do it. I think those are the two, my two questions, that I've struggled with the last few months. Didn't County does have a history of partnering with cities in a variety of things. Y'all have mentioned this morning partnering with Flower Mound in the past. That was before I came on court and partnering for downtown Lewisville. And there's some of the revitalization efforts that's before I came on court. The way I look at things now, and at my viewpoints kind of evolved, and Linda's been involved in my evolutions. And this is no news to her or to the city staff or the mayor of the city manager. But what I look at is, Ditton County has made a big commitment with our recent bond election. To all of our cities in the county and especially the city of Ditton, which I represent. If you look back, if you consider the programs that the city of Ditton is gonna benefit from, if you include the city projects, and also I-35 corridor, which we're gonna do, and also Robson Ranch, which is benefits of city of Ditton, that's $23 million that the Ditton County is gonna be paying for improvements within the city of Ditton. That's $23 million that the Ditton County is going to be paying for improvements within the city of Ditton. It's $23 million. And I had our auditor and budget director crunch the numbers on what is that going to cost Ditton County in the coming years. And that's anywhere from $1.3 million to $1.7 million in Ditton County taxes to pay for the city of Ditton projects. So, that's $1.7 million that's going to be hitting our bottom line that we're going to have to pay for somehow. That is Ditton County partnering with the city of Ditton. We may not be partnering in downtown, but we are partnering with the city of Ditton. And the city of Ditton had an opportunity through our bond program to submit these projects, these roads in our bond program. And so as I look through here, I have a real hesitancy as James was talking about earlier this morning in capping what our current tax revenue is going to be off of downtown, off of our commercial base for 30 years. How are we going to pay for the other projects that we're funding for the city of Ditton and for the other parts of the county? Where is that money going to come from? How we can't do all things for all people. And I don't know where that extra, we prove $495 million, a half a billion dollars in bonds. And we've got to pay for that somehow. So how are we going to do that? I'm very leery about saying we're going to take all the future, for the next 30 years, all the future growth off this whole commercial base and reinvest it only in downtown. Well we've got to pay our bills and other fashions. Where is it going to come from? Is that going to be shifted over to the residential community? Is that our burden that we're going to be paying for, for getting in all our other cities and our county projects? Is that going to be shifted over there? And we have 43 cities here in the county. And if we start shifting, if all of our other cities come in and want to redevelop their downtown, which is a noble and worthy cause, where if we start capping and redeveloping and obligating all of our future taxes off of commercial, that burden for those improvements have got to be somewhere and to maintain our operations. And so that is some of my hesitancy in doing this. I don't mind doing roads and I talked to Linda probably two months ago and said we would you know if there's a road project and I know Hickory is one of those from from downtown from the courthouse to the courthouse that's something we could look at. It's not an issue of us not reinvesting in downtown, didn't at all. That's not the question. The question is how do we get to that point? How do we finance that? And I'm a leery about taking our, same from the next 30 years, all the revenue, all the future growth and revenue off of downtown is only going to stay right here. You know, I offered and the city city knows that first to look at a partnership as far as doing Hickory for the county working on doing it. So that's that's not us not participating downtown. It's really how do we participate downtown? How do we fund all the other city projects that we're doing for the city of Ditton. When you look at the project, I mean it sounds like we're the bad guy saying no to downtown Ditton. And I can tell, I look at Georgia out here and the audience, she knows I'm very historically minded. And that's why Commissioner Mitchell and I are on the Historical Park Foundation. We're always raising money and trying to redevelop our park down here. There's no traction for downtown. So it has a sense of synergy down here and redevelopment. But I really think that as a court, my comfort level, and I'm not going to speak for other members. They can speak for themselves, but I think as, and we need to focus our economic development engine on attracting new businesses to town, just like I supported Aldi when Aldi came to town. I don't judge Horn really has a hard line as far as incentives and economic development programs. I don't share that view. I think it's okay and I don't mind us attracting businesses to the community in participating in tax abatements or other types of incentives or rebates. I don't have too much of a philosophical hang up as far as participating that way. So it's not like we're not for economic development. It's how do we get there? And I don't mind us doing TIFFs and other instruments on raw land incentivizing people to come here for raw land, but as it didn't counties row as far as redevelopment I think that that's that's where I'm having a little bit of issue and I'll go ahead and yield the floor Mr. Mitchell Let me just say one thing or one or two things When I make my decisions here. I don't do it in comparing cities and I've heard a lot of what Flower Mound did and what Lewis will do it. The tip in Flower Mound that we did was on Raleighan, as Commissioner Heath says. The one down, we have not done one in Lewisville on Raleighan, the one is coming in on Raleighan. TIF downtown, in downtown Louisville, which is in Commissioner White's precinct. We've done that tip, but I don't make the decision on Comparison City to City. As Commissioner E. said, if we did, then then wouldn't have gotten $23 million out of the bond election in Flower Mound in Louisville and Holland Village, total, which are my precinct only get approximately 11 million. So we need to throw that out. The project should stand on its own merit not because somebody else got one. And each of us commissioners here when we bring up our project forward we look to that commissioner in that precinct to rally that project. And so when they don't rally that project, the rest of us have to take another good look at it and say, okay, where do we go from here? Is this a valuable project? And yes, it is. But as Commissioner E. C. C. said, you know, all of our cities are getting older, except we have some new, but most of the majority of the cities are getting older. Where do we stop? I know we get the tip in Old Town, Louisville, but the west side of Louisville also is getting older. So do we revitalize that area too? Does the county do that? What is the role of the county government? And for me, the role of the county government is to supplement the cities in areas that we all, that are regional areas, which mostly that's gonna be transportation. And so that, I believe that is my role of the county government. Of course, we want new growth, and of course we want areas revitalized. But, you know, I do think we spend money here in the city of Den because the county is located in Den. We spend a lot more money here in the city of Den than we do in any other cities. And you all do give money to the county as like the museum. But you have the use of the courthouse. You have a lot more things in the city of Denning that the other cities don't have. Whereas one thing, we pay for the park at this courthouse every Tuesday, when I come here, I have to pay to park my car here to have meetings. So it's not like we're not giving to the city of Denning. We can't, as a reason I'm saying, we can't compare it. We've got to let each project stand on its own merit. So when you come in and you need to make a presentation, let's make the presentation on the merit of the project. And if it's a good project and the commissioners decide, that's what we need to do. Then let's do that, rather than deciding that we did this for the other one because I have a long list. I've been here a long time. So I have a long list of what has been done for each city that may not have been done for the three cities that I represent. But you have to put that aside. I'm not here for that. I'm here for the benefit of the whole Den County. And that's what we all have to be grateful. And I want you to be treated fairly because I want to be treated fairly. But I want you to look at the big picture and not just part of the picture. If we don't support this tip, it's not saying that we don't support then. Then there's one of our oldest cities and it's a show place for people who come to them because it is a county seat. And we do appreciate the things that you do because you make the county look good with all the the museum The courthouse and all the things that you have here and then so don't take it is that we're for you some other city and a guest in If this should be approved, you know, it will be approved on his own merit not because of we've done something for another city I on merit, not because of we've done something for another city. I mean, I'd like to remind everybody that we have a 23 cent tax rate. The top 15 counties in the state of Texas by population,'t maintain a low tax rate. With all due to the straight commission of Eads continue to do abatements. Or TIFFS. She was going there. Well, it's true. I mean, it's dollars and cents. There's not enough money to do everything that everybody wants. That's the bottom line. So I have to look at, I believe, what is a county responsibility? And that's why I was totally supportive and encouraged everybody prior to the bond election and the two years leading up to that point. All of the members of the commission's court working with the cities that they represent to find out what their needs were, to find out what their needs were to find out what their priorities were and to prioritize them and make that presentation to the Transportation Committee and that's how we developed the bond election in this last election I'm 23 million I believe it was for city-adentant projects that we Are doing or partnering with the city on. And that's fine. I'm glad to do that. It benefits both of us. And it's projects that are going to get done I relatively soon. I hesitate to say house soon. It takes about years or more. Yeah, you know what? I didn't know when I took this job but there's you know there's you know, there's human years, there's dog years, and there's text.years, which is not the same for sure. But relatively speaking, those road projects are going to be done pretty soon, as soon as we possibly can. But it's very important to work with the cities to partner with them and certainly include them in the bond elections where we can partner and you know the revenue off of 121 is certainly helpful for these road projects but our contribution to yeah which is in your your, you're pretty sick, but it's in yours. But I, as much as I would love to see all this happen in downtown Denton and I've lived here for a long time, I love for the city of Denton and would love to see these things. I think they're very, very justified. But Commissioner, you are correct. Each project needs to stand on its own to a certain degree. But I always come down to the bottom line, the dollars and cents. I'm concerned about the impact on the calculation of the tax rate. I'm concerned about maintaining the low tax rate. I'm concerned about, I understand that as these things developed and hopefully it won't be 30 years before they're paid off and it's not 100% participation it's declining as Linda so able to demonstrate it but I have a real hard time supporting this knowing full well that we have other cities that are already approaching us with projects that are very justified in their communities too. And we just cannot participate in all of them and maintain a 23 cent tax rate. So from this point going forward, I, like I said, I'm glad to have included City of Denton and our bond proposal and a future bond proposals certainly will be working with Denton and every other city to include them in those in the future. And I cannot be supportive of the proposed to if there's any other comments anybody else to you and you're shaking your head know anything else anybody else wants to hand. I would just say it's not even, it's like I'm gonna echo again what I said, it's not a matter of didn't County doing stuff for the city it didn't or for downtown didn't. It's a matter of how we do it. And so I welcome the opportunity to visit more detail with the city staff and leadership about how we work on downtown. But capping future revenues for the next 30 years on downtown and allocating it strictly here, that's where I've, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the problem. So. That's the problem. So members, I'm going to make a motion and I'm not room to read the entire resolution here, but it's just for reference. It's on page 98. It's the Denton County Resolution to the Benton City Council. I'll just read the, now therefore it be resolved that the Denton County Commissioners Court notify the city of Denton by way of this resolution The Denton County declines the request by the city of Denton to participate in the Purpose in the proposed tiff Reinvestments on number one and that is my motion is there a second We have a motion in the second is there any further discussion? Hearing none all in favor the motion please, please say aye. Aye. Opposed Sainine? Motion does carry. Thank you, Linda for being here. I realize you had to go through all this by state law to make your presentation and this does not preclude the city of Denton from going forward with the TIFF. It just declines the county's participation just for clarification. We shall do that and we thank you for your time. Thank you everybody for being here today too. Okay, members, I'd like to now go to item 3B which is to approve a resolution for Judy was retrying from Denton County. And she here? Did she know that we were doing this today, Amy? I'm sorry, Judge. She didn't know that you were doing this today. She chose not to be here. And I thought she'd been noticed on a matter of time. But I want to take time to recognize her anyway. I want to read this resolution. Then, Connie Commissioner's Court during the regular session. In November 18, 2008, considered the following resolution. Whereas Judy Dunn Landtrap was hired by Judge Lewis George, Justice of the Peace, prec to June 11th, 1984. And whereas Judith Van Lanter, transferred to Constable Prusing 5 and Work for Constable Mike Nallard from January 1993 through December 2003 and continued working for Constable Prusing 5, Constable Ken Janoweth from January 2004 until the retirement, November in 2008. Whereas Judy Don Landtrop was dedicated Denton County employee has provided a high level of quality public service. And whereas Judy Don Landtrop's devotion to assisting Denton County is greatly appreciated and respected by our fellow colleagues of Denton County. Now therefore it resolved Denton County Commissioners Court Denton County, Texas is here by support. Congratulations and commend the service of Judy Dunn Landrup as a piece officer, leading her knowledge, abilities, and law enforcement skills into practical governance. And for her years of dedicated service to Denton County, the chair will move for approval. We've got an echo here. We'll say seconded by Commissioner Marchand, all in favor, please say aye. Aye, opposed, say nay. Motion does carry. And I also want to thank the chair of the committee We've got an echo here. We'll say seconded by Commissioner Marchand, all in favor, please say aye. Aye, opposed, aye, aye. Motion to this carry. And I also have a resolution from State Representative my crown order. Same subject. The November 2008 retirement of Aubrey resident and didn't kind of employ Judy Landtrap, provides a fitting opportunity to commend Mrs. Lantrop on her outstanding 25-year career in public service, whereas Mrs. Lantrop joined the Denton County staff in 1984 and she began working as a clerk. I'm sorry, court clerk for Judge Lewis George in Justice of the Peace, precinct 2 after transferring in 1993 to a precinct 5. She worked for Constable Mike Ballard for the next decade. Since January 2004, she has provided able assistance to Constable Ken Genereth. And whereas retirement will afford Miss Landtrip more time to spend with her treasured family, including her husband of 31 years, Roy Landtrip and their 12 children. Yes, Judy and Landtrip, David John, butch and Joseph, Malone Patricia, Johnson Miller, Theresa Miller, Lisa Clements, Kathleen Barkley, Leah Andrews, David Hall and Casey Pruitt as well as their 23 grandchildren and four great grandchildren in that great. Whereas Denton County has greatly benefited from the dedication and experience of this valued employer. And there are many years of exceptional service will not soon be forgotten by our fellow citizens. And now therefore be resolved that Judy Landtrip is honored for her notable career with Denton County and that she be extended since the service wishes for a happy and fulfilling retirement. It's signed by State Representative Mayra Cronover. Well Judy I hope you're listening or we'll watch the video of the proceedings today and we congratulate you on your retirement and we thank you very much for your service. Yes, you certainly may. Okay. Okay. Let's go to item 5 which is approval of the bill. The bill, uh, payments from CSCD, Community Corrections, T-A-I-P, Shares, Training Shares, Forfeiture, VIP Interest, DA Check-Thee, and DA Forfeiture funds are presented for recording purposes only. James Wells. As your commissioners, ask the court to prove the bills that's presented with actually only one addition. There's no relations, there's one addition. Requested by the HR department for wellness benefits certificates. That's for $150. That's the only correction, the only addition I've got. Thank you. Do we have questions from any member of the corridor? Do we have a motion for approval? Motion by Commissioner Mitchell. Seconded by Commissioner Marchant. Any questions? Here none. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, sen Commission is carried. Any questions? Here none. In favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye. Motion is carried. 6A is a approval of use of the interest earnings from 2007 tax notes to complete construction in room V105 and the lower level of the courts building for use by information services. Do we have questions? Or do we have a motion for approval? Motion by Commissioner Eads, seconded by Commissioner Marchand. Hearing no questions on favor, please. I'm sorry. Okay, they're hidden. What was this presented in the budget? Anybody know? You know, we're just into November and we've gotten all these additional requests and I just have a problem with them coming in and should have been presented at budget time. I'm not sure what they will be with us today but I know that Kevin has been looking for space for some time over in that building and once the renovations were done in a lower level, I think Danny Bromley decided that he had some additional space that they could use. So I don't know that that space was available at the time during the budget. Surely we knew that it might be available. And I'm not, you know, that's not your... But that's the only thing that I know is that Amy did come up with that additional space for them to use for a short term. This is a short term fix for Kevin and then... I really would like to have an answer for Kevin members. Do you want to go forward with this? Do you want to hold it for the next week? Because I'd like to have. Okay, the motion is second has been withdrawn and we will repost this for next week when we get some answers from Kevin Karn. All right. Thank you. We'll go on to item 6b which is a prelude termination of RFP 05081906 adult and juvenile probation forensic lab services to acute chem laboratories as a matter of convenience effective December 31st, 2008. Scott? Morning Judge. This issue where we had an issue with the evaluation on this, we discussed this with the Kim and we do believe it's the correct thing to do is to terminate this contract for convenience at this other item for preparing this space. We do have services to cover us in the interim. Okay. I'll move forward with terminating this. That was going to be my question. Do you want to ask me a question? We have questions from members of the court. Did we have a motion for approval? Motion by Commissioner Eads, seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. Hearing no questions, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed to the name? Motion does carry. 6C is approval of specifications and authority please say aye. Aye. Opposed to the seat. Motion is carried. 6C is approved of specifications and authority to advertise for adult and juvenile probation forensic laboratory services. This is RFP 10081944 appointment of the valuation committee to include Mitch Liles, Matt Merrick, and Beth Fleming. Motion by Commissioner Marchant. Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. Are there questions? You're not on favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, Sineen. Motion is carried. A 60 is approval of award of RFP 09081937. Classification and compensation study to every green solutions LLC to include basic services in the optional benefit study for $125,170 and negotiated extended FLSA services for $1600. And unfortunately, an error was made and this was posted on the website and unintentionally. So there's been some discussion concerning this and thousands of lashes of Barbara, how about the wet noodle. She does such a great job, I hate to criticize her. It's just an unfortunate error. But we want to give anybody that is an attendance that would like to comment on this an opportunity to comment first and then we'll call on Scott. Is there anyone in attendance that would like to address commissioners court concerning the award of bid for the compensation study? Anyone in attendance that would like to address the court on this issue? Hearing none, we'll call on Scott. Good morning, Senator. Just to let you know, we had 12 firms respond to the request for proposal. The evaluation committee, first I'd like to thank them. Amy Phillips, Director of Human Resources, George Ann McCoy, Assistant Director of Human Resources, Kevin Carr, Director of Information Services. They all reviewed those 12 proposals and scored those. We came to a decision where there would be six selected for the interview process. We went through that interview process. The committee made the decision that it was in the best interest of the county to make the award to Evergreen solutions. They did meet all of their requirements of the RFP and appear to be the best firm available for the service. And the funds for this were approved at W-200,000 so we're within budget to include the additional FLSA and I'd let Amy give you a little more information about that because there's some additional services to be provided there. Thank you, Amy. I would like to say that the amount just for clarification the amount does include a classification compensation and about it benefit study. The FLSA work that we're requesting that you also include is in our original proposal we had requested that the proposal evaluate the successful proposal evaluate 20% of our jobs because typically there's about 20% that are kind of in a gray area. But since it came in as far under budget as it did, our jobs, or the FLSA was actually revised in 2004. We feel like we have looked at the jobs that have come before us and any that we had questions about and evaluated them according to those very clear regulations as best we could but we feel like it'd be in the best interest of the county to have another set of eyes or sets of eyes look at 100% of our job descriptions. Beth Niko shaded with evergreen and evergreen proposed $1,600. We feel like that's a very reasonable cost for the added assurance to the county. And so we're recommending approval of that. Thank you. Other questions from members of the court at this point? Approval. We have a motion for approval by Commissioner Ead, seconded by Commissioner Marchant. I'm going to go to the commission. We have a motion for approval by commissioner Eid seconded by commissioner Marchant. Hearing no further discussion on favor the motion. Please say aye. Aye. Opposed to name. Motion does carrying. Thank you everybody for your work on this. You had 17 RFPs? 12. Okay. I knew it was a lot. That's a lot to go through. I'm just saying that. Yeah, thank you all. 7A is approval of budget amendment quest 100190 for a copy or rental for non-departmental in the amount of $3,230. Reprieval. In the motion by Commissioner Eans. Seconded by Commissioner Marchant. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye opposed the name. Motion is carried. 8 a.m. is approved. The salary basis policy. We'll call in the any Phillips. Thank you judge. This policy won't change anything in our operations. We have been diligent and payroll has been diligent about ensuring that exempt employees don't have improper deductions from their paychecks. But we are proposing this policy today as a statement of compliance with the FLSA and to lend some ability, additional Ability additional protection to the county in the event of any errors being made Thank you You motion Motion by commissioner Mitchell seconded by commissioner Edges or any discussion You're none on favor please say aye aye opposed to nameosed to name. Motion does carry. 10A. Appointment and approval. Subdivision rules. Review committee members. Discussion of the role. A said committee. And discussion of the subdivision rules and regulations. Revision procedure. And we have Mr. Bennett Hall with us. Good morning. Thank you, Judge. Thank you, commissioners. At this time, I'm hoping that Commissioner White get provided y'all a name for the 10th. I've not heard from her on that issue But I understand you've had a meeting this ma'am. We had a nice Thursday night and our next meetings this Thursday at 1 Commission is well on their way reviewing the Subvision rules and I think we will have some good discussions over the next couple weeks Yes, we had seven of the nine plus staff. They elected to have the meetings during the day to meet their schedules better. So that's good for everybody. Could we have a follow-up of who did not attend so that we can make a phone call? Yes, you will be getting the minutes email to you today. Great, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? All right, no action is needed on that. Except Commissioner White's appointments and don't have those yet. Item 10B, Mr. Hall of Advises, we need to pull 10B and take no action on it today. The developers contacted him and made some changes there, so be no action on 10B. 14A is approval of the addendum to the AT&T master agreement between AT&T Global Services and Denton County for Voice, CPE support services and the Denton County Sheriff's Office is recommended by Lieutenant Allen Williams. Do you have any questions and members of the court? Do we have a motion for approval? Motion by Commissioner Ead, seconded by Commissioner Marchant here. No questions on favor please say aye I oppose the name Motion does carry 14 v is approval of 2008 2009 interlocal cooperation agreement for library services between Denton, Cunnie, Texas and Lake City's library that's the City of Cork and take a creek like Dallas and shady shores Chair remove for approval. Second. Seconded by Commissioner Eans. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, sen. Motion does carry 14 C's, approve of the interlocal cooperation agreements between Dyncanny, Texas and the Argavelin tear fire district for fire protection and ambulance services. Approval. Motion by Commissioner Ead seconded by commissioner Mitchell hearing no questions all in favor please say aye aye opposed sitting motion is carry 14D is approval of a fire protection service agreements between Denton County Texas and one the town of double-own-tier fire department and two the ponder volunteer fire department motion by commissioner Mitchell seconded by commissioner Marchant hearing no. All in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Cine? Motion does carry. 14E is approval of the Interlocal Cooperation Agreement between Dink County, Texas and the City of Dentexas for road maintenance. Motion by Commissioner Mitchell. Seconded by Commissioner Marchand. Commissioner Mitchell, seconded by Commissioner Marchand, we probably should have brought this up and we and all those people sitting here from City of Denton that wanted us to work with them. Yeah, I will say that I would like to thank the road and bridge staff for both East and west. This local agreement is we have many roads where the county has the one lane and we have another lane and so this is kind of evening out. You know we'll maintain the whole road and they'll maintain some of the whole roads and so it just makes it easier for maintenance and also for the traveling public to understand. So I want to send thank you to Diana especially for her work with that. Okay, we have a motion in a second. I'll in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Post and a motion is carried. 14F is a approval of a memorandum of understanding MOU between Denton County and the Supreme Court of Texas to establish a statewide judicial continuity of operations in the event of emergency. Legal, do you want to give us some clarification to this or anybody watching can understand what's going on? Maybe? Judge what this is, it's a proposal from Judge Jeff Walker. He's the administrative judge for the eighth judicial region. He's actually a district judge in Fort Worth. And what this is proposing is that in the event that there were some type of catastrophe or emergency where one of the counties in that judicial region needed to move their judicial matters to another county so that the wills of justice could continue to move. The Denton County would be participating so that if there was a problem in Pair County where they had to close down their courthouse for some period of time and there were trials or cour hearings that needed to take place they could come to Denton and hold those proceedings in vice versa if there were some problem in Denton due to a natural disaster or some unforeseen reason that the courthouse had to close. We could go to other counties within our region and carry on the business of the judiciary. That's it in a nutshell. I appreciate it, thank you. We don't have a motion to do it. I'll chair a move for approval. Seconded by Commissioner Ease. Any further discussion or questions? Here you know, in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, Cinean? Motion does carried. I believe we've covered everything except executive session, which is item 15. This is executive session for consultation of the Attorney under Texas Government. Code 551.071A. Adlighted on the attorney fees and family law cases where governmental entity was not a party. Code 551.071A, Adelaide and Maternity Fees and Family Law Cases, where governmental entity was not a party. And 15B is under Texas government code 551.072, deliberation regarding real property, closed meeting to deliberate the lease or value of real property where deliberation in an open meeting would have a detrimental effect on the position of the governmental body. And negotiations with a third person regarding the potential lease or value of real property located on Valley Parkway in Lisville, Texas. And with that we are... I'm sorry. Well, I felt this... I've been throwing it at you. Sorry. Members, the only reason I wanted to go back to 3C and the reason why I didn't mention anything at the time, I didn't believe my comments were, I embraced what you guys said. What I do believe is important as a commissioners court. I've been struggling with formulating in my own mind a certain ideology and a philosophy of government and how government can work within the boundaries of economic development and how to justify one and not justify the other. And I'm beginning to solidify my own mind exactly how how I think that we best can can work. And when Commissioner Ead's stated that he believed that our participation should be primarily focused on new development, new opportunities for raw land, our new opportunities for new businesses coming in. If we were going to place any type of consideration for economic development on tax abatements or those type of things to either draw them to Denton County or to help them stay in Denton County that I believe that is a good argument as good ideology and one that I can embrace. And I wanted you guys to know that I do embrace that. To me, it had nothing to do with that discussion. And wanted to bring it back and tell you that I'm in total agreement with that. I was in agreement with your arguments made on the tip earlier as well. But I wanted to bring that back to tell you that that is an ideology and a philosophy. Whatever you want to call it, that is becoming more and more clear to me on what our participation can be. And it's kind of like progressive revelation. I will only add to that that you can entice them here and keep them here with a low tax rate. I have to get that in there. OK. That's exactly right. All right. With that, we are an executive session. Thank you. OK. Commission's Court is reconvened from executive session. Under 15A, there will be no formal action taken under 15B. Got a lengthy court order to read here. The Court order reads, it didn't kind of Commissioner's Court here by makes a formal determination that it is advisable to lease land for mineral development on two tracks, a real property owned by Denton County Texas and located on Valley Parkway in Louisville, Texas in Denton County Commissioner's Commissioner, precinct three and further describe this following one. All that certain track or parcel of land containing 4.09 acres more or less situated in the S ventures survey abstract number 1309 in the city of Louisville, Denton County, Texas. Being more particularly described as Lot 3 block a of the replat of Louisville Valley commercial addition. In addition to the city of Louisville, Denton County, Texas, according to the replat thereof, recorded in volume 3421 page 880 of the plat records of Denton County, Texas, and two, all that certain track or parcel of land containing 4.00 acres more or less situated in the S Ventures Survey abstract number 1 309. I didn't county Texas mean more particularly described as lot one block A of the didn't county annex addition in addition to the city of Lusso didn't county Texas according to the plot thereof recording in cabinet seven page 370 of the plat records of didn't county Texas that is my motion. Seconded by Commissioner Marchant. On favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, Cine? Motion does carry. Okay, we need to go back to one item. What's that number, Bobby? What's that number Bobby? This is the item that we had a question to the 6A. It's approval of the use of interest earnings from the 2007 tax notes to complete construction in room B105 in the lower level of the courts building for use by information services. We got an email from Kevin Carr that adequately answered Commissioner Mitchell's question. And so now we have a motion for approval by Commissioner Eads seconded by Commissioner Marchant. Are there any further questions or comments? Any none? All in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye. Motion is carried. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I believe favor, please say aye. Aye, opposed, aye, me. Motion is carried. OK, ladies and gentlemen, I believe we've concluded our business. We are adjourned. Have a great day. Thank you.