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I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to do it. Call this meeting's order. The... Ronda, this is the meeting to the Smiles Village Town Council. Or November 15, 2010. Here, boy now. Here. Welcome, Sen. Here. Butler. More, Sen. Here. Butler. Markin. President. Louis. Here. Very good. The next item we have is for public and non-agenda items. Is there anybody at the public? Please step forward, Mark. State your name for the record. Hi, I'm Doug Mercatoris, and I wanted to take this opportunity to welcome Fred and Jason to the town council. And especially why I came is because I wanted to thank Reed Lewis and Arnie Morgan for their many years of service and the thousands of hours that they put in helping the public and snowmass village. It is very much appreciated by myself and everyone in town. Thank you both very much. Thank you, Mark. Anyone else? Seeing none, move to item three, council updates. We'll start down here with read Anything read? No, thank you. Okay. The only thing I've got is again to reminder the community pot luck is Sunday the 21st this coming up Sunday Please bring Food for six to eight people it's at the Syltry right between six and nine. Fuck, I think it's what I saw. We had five or six. Five or five? Five o'clock? Yeah, it's also up on the bolt and it's at six, but I figured it was five. We think it's five. Okay. Also, we also have the request for donations for lift up. You can bring a can or a couple cans of food so we can help people with less fortunate. This Thanksgiving, that would be appreciated also. Nothing else? Nope, I'll say for comments for the next council. Arnie. Well, I have to tell you, it will be a little strange after something like 12 or 13 years. Can't hear you. Being somehow associated with this council chambers. I beg your pardon. I had to do it one last time. You can have your fun. Not to be here, but it's going to be a good feeling. However, not one to stop stirring up the pot. I struck me last night, as when I was up in this area, that the bus stop at the center for the uphill side still hasn't been completed. I recall having a council meeting wherein we discussed that and approved the bus stop change so long as they put stairs from the upper level to the lower level. So long as the owners, whoever, anybody can figure out they might be of the center, provided internal parking for the shopping carts inside next to Spencer's and that sort of thing. It's not been done and it's snowing and we're going to open and what, little over a week. I'm terribly disappointed and I want to know what's going on. We've got a question as well, Arnie, about the structure that we see out there in terms of Hezengon through the appropriate process. I'm aware from the owner of the property that the funding they were anticipated, whether it was coming from insurance or other sources, was not forthcoming. So, I'm intending to chat with that owner. Well, I understand that this is a matter that I suspect is, well, I know it's going to have to be taken up by the next council, but I certainly have a very simple remedy, and that's put a condemnation or a star or a I understand that the building department has condemned the old stairs. That's correct. But it's a fire department. Whoever it is, I know of a very fast way they can raise money. And that is if we close the center down for about a day and a half, I think the tenants would be very interested in making sure that that doesn't happen and apply some of their rent money to getting this job done. It's not appropriate for our guests to be arriving here, not have a bus stop. I don't know, pole vault down the next level to get to the bus stop. And it's not snowing and snowman has village right at the moment. You ought to see what's going on in Aspen. It's coming down in buckets, falls over there. And when that happens here, we're not going to have very happy guests guests because somebody at the center didn't get an insurance company or somebody else to provide the funds that they to provide the proper ingress and egress from a bus stop that they're required to have. So I will come in that to the next council to resolve hopefully quite rapidly. Thank you. Thank you, any? Next on the agenda is to item number four. This is a resolution number 51 series 2010, a resolution of the town council of the town of Somas Village and furtherance of the archaeological discoveries of a mammoth ice age bison giant cloth and mastodons currently taking place at the Lake Deborah and the Zygla property naming the song Big Wully mammoth The official song of the town of Somas village Read brought this forward Read one We'd brought this forward. I just thought it would be fun and light of everything that's happened to have a song that has been written and played here in Snowmass by widespread panic and thought it would kind of go in different directions than some of our usual marketing direction but happy to report that Janet's article in the Aspen Times had over 1600 hits on it. It has landed on Panic Stream, which is a live streaming music site for fans of widespread panic that has 4,500 members on Facebook. And then just today it is the top news on widespread panic's official Facebook page, which has 179,000 members. So even if a small percentage of those people click on there today, I think we've gotten ourselves out there in the fun category. And so that's why I'm proposing that we do this. I think that little blurbs like this and little papers across the country I think goes a long way in kind of reminding people that we're still a ski town that we're fun and we have a sense of humor. So I hope that you all will join me in supporting us. Okay? Second. Discussion? Second? Second motion. Still the discussion? No, no. All right. Sure. Okay, well, you need to I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I were very clear that they wanted people to realize there's no woolly mammoth here uh... they mentioned that several times because some of the articles in the paper stated that it was a woolly mammoth and it's not so that's a my only concern maybe you can get the white spread panic to change their song and to change their song. Thank you, Anne. Any other comment from the public? Anybody know of a Columbia mammoth song? A song? A Columbia mammoth? I haven't found one. Kurt Johnson. Dr. Kurt Johnson. Just for the record, I would say that Ray Trull and Russell Wodehouse are presently writing a song called Snowmastodon and I got the first first of it in the email today so it will soon be an official snowmastodon song. Very good. Council, what are your thoughts on this? Personally personally, when I first read it, I was a little concerned that seemed a little, some people, you know, flippant, little quick, little, you know. It's fun. It's fun. Yes, it is. And so it's an interesting day in snowmast this last few weeks, of course. Any negatives of the council? Well, is there a- Call the question? Roch, we rebate that motion. Are you seconded? Call the question. All those in favor of resolution number 51, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. Thank you, Reed. And I. Thanks. You did a Nice job there now We'll go on to item number five approval of the meeting minutes for October 18th of 2010 Second motion by reads second by mr. Wilkinson any alterations Yes, I will pass them on to Ronda. Thank you And being there were not a substantive issue. We can go ahead and call the question on these. All those in favor of the minutes, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? We'll always pass also. Okay, now we have a few things going on here. I think that concludes our old business, Mr. Mayor. Oh, I'm not sure. Conclusion. Old business. Old business, yeah. Well, we've got a few things here before we see the new Council in. I've got a couple of gifts that the town has decided to bestow upon to Martin and Mr. Lewis. And they'd like you guys to open them here so pass this off. You all know that I think you can keep the package would be a thank you. Something from the vice-right. Yeah the blank checks. Oh yes. So resolution Mr. Mr. Mr. We also have a resolution right to the west. Couple of those. Actually, I'm That's right. That's on the next agenda. So, but I think right now let's give you guys this These things and I will then call you up and we'll read here something for you also Kim small Okay Small women. Yes. You're a stiff guy. I'm not a tie. OK. Tell us more behind that. Arnie, chill, what's on it? The story. I'm doing it. This is the tune-up man with machine. Yes. And so it sort of felt like I think staff wanted to get Arnie something for when he's not, you know, being working on Monday nights, he can sit home and instead of watching us, he didn't watch it when Martin Sheen was a good guy. Charlie, you know, she's always been a good guy. Yeah. Charlie, no more. Wow, yes. Charlie, I know him more is. Wait, Carlos, that's the Vaz, but... The defendant. Very, very feddy. That's very fitting. Thank you very much. It's a wonderful thing. Thank you. That is very good. And, Reed, what is this? This is the Jazz Diffling. Just another gorgeous. Oh, gorgeous. Just another gorgeous stamp here, does it? Yes. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. That was a proposal of what to name the road coming into the town hall. Coming up the town hall. To the town hall here. Oh, there we go. Great. Before we get off, should we move that, too? That's awesome. So at this point, let's go ahead and swap seats. And then we'll bring the new council up. Jason if you can come up and sit on the right side and Fred if you can come up here on the left side that would be wonderful. This will be your seat normally. It's barking out here. You can move in one. There we go. Welcome. Thank you, sir. I think. Welcome, friend. Thank you, Willie. Thank you, sir. Welcome, Jason. Hey, before we do anything else, we need to make sure we have a mayor to run this council. So mayor Guano, I would like to give you this. This is your state of Colorado. I'm going to keep you talking. Telling you that you won your election, I know. So this is for you. Thank you. Getting on your walk. And this is your oath. Okay. If you raise your right hand. I built my own. This is.0 is solemnly swear by the ever living God that I will support the Constitution in the United States and the State of Colorado and will faithfully perform the duties of the office of the village mayor upon which I'm about to enter. Thank you. Now I've got a couple of these others. Oh, no. Okay. Okay, next we have prep. Okay, next we have prep. So, I'm going to give you some state of Colorado saying that you won the election fair and square. Highest number of votes. One of the highest number of votes. Okay, I'll take this. Raise your right hand. There you go. I, Fred Cooker, do solemnly swear by the ever-living God that I will support the Constitution of the United States and of the State of Colorado, and will faithfully perform the duties of the Office of Snowmass Village Town Council member upon which I am about to enter. Thank you. I'm not sure. Okay. Jason. Just to give you a state of Colorado sign, we're about to go back to work. We're about to high school get in the election. Right now. It's where I am. I see that. I think we make me happy. I, Jason Haver, do solemnly swear by the ever-living, that I will support the Constitution of the United States and of the State of Colorado and faithfully perform the duties of the Office of Snowmass Village Town Council member upon which I am about to enter. Now item one for the new council will be Ronda taking role. Mayor Boydall? Here. Located. Here. Butler. Favorite. Here. Here Here here Thank you Ronda We'll be on item number three. We have is council updates I'm sorry. Thank you the new council. We're jumping up to public not agenda Items is there anyone that would like to stand up and make a comment? Seeing no hands raised. We'll move on to Council updates item number three. I plan on skipping that anyway because what's going to happen? Council updates, Jason, do you have anything that you'd like to start off with? I just like to say it's nice to be here, and thank you to everybody who voted for me. I'm looking forward to serving this community over the next four years and invite anybody in the community. To please get in touch with me and share your thoughts and opinions on things here in the village. Email always the best way to get a hold of me, I think, and for those of you that are interested at jhaberattsv.com is the email address to reach me at and thanks again. Thank you Jason. John Wilkins? Yeah in your absence bill we had an EOTC meeting a couple of weeks ago and I'll just brief the council later on. Okay happens. Fred, was there too? And, Jason? Very good. Thank you for coming to that before you were sworn in. And sworn in. Fred. I came back. I too would like to thank everybody who voted for me, people who helped me, people who worked for me. And I too look forward to spending the next four years. Because of whatever skills I have to help this town move forward. Thank you all very much. Thank you for it. Now I have approval of resolutions 46 and number 47, series of 2010. I'll stand up and read these one at a time. I'll stand right here next to this microphone. Hopefully I'll be able to be in that. Mr. Morkin, you're still in the room. Would you please come forward? Thank you. This is an appreciation for Mr. Morkin and all his years of service at the town. And as previously Mayor Murk Doug Mordkatoris said, we do appreciate your time. Thank you for all of your energy you've given at the town. Thank you for the opportunity. This is Stomach Village Town Council, Resolution 46, series of 2010. A resolution expressing appreciation to Arnold Mordkin for his service as Council member and Planning Commission Member, Board Member, the town of Stomach Village. Whereas Arnold Morkin was elected by the citizens of Stomach Village as Council Member on November 2nd, 2000, and served as a town council member for four years, was reappointed in 2004 for a two-year term and was reelected in November 2nd 2006 as a council member and whereas Arnold Martin served on the town of Stomas Village Planning Commission from December 30th 1998 until November 15th year 2000 and whereas Arnold Morgan served the town of Stamos village for 12 combined years of impeccable service as a town council member and as a member of the Planning Commission Board remains highly esteemed by this community and whereas Arnold Morgan's hard work expertise excellent attendance record instant serietity is a responsible steward of this community, have been an asset to the town of St. MS Village, and whereas during the 12 years of combined public service, Arnold Mortkin has demonstrated a strong commitment to the residential and business community, the environment and the employees of this town. Now therefore be it resolved by the town council of the town of St. Thomas Village, Colorado, the citizens of St. Thomas Village, the St. Thomas Village town council, and the entire town staff hereby express their sincere gratitude and appreciation to Arnold Morkin for his dedication, loyalty, and excellence in his efforts to promote a strong community and to enhance the quality of life for our citizens This is introduced red and adopted by the town council of the town of St. Louis, Colorado on this 15th day of November 2010 by a motion made by Mayor Bill Boyneau so moved and a second by council member second John Wilkinson and and by a vote, all is in favor. Aye. Any opposed? And by a vote of four in favor and zero opposed. Arnie, thank you. You're good. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Lewis, please come forward. Read. This is resolution number 47, series 2010. And again, we thank you for all your efforts in your wisdom and brings you blood forward. As with this. No, it was effort called me wise before. Well, today is the first day of the fight. Can I take it back later? Persistent. Persistent. A resolution expressing appreciation to Reed Lewis for his services. Council member and member of the Marketing Special Events and Group Sales Board for the town of Snowmass Village. Whereas Reed Lewis was elected by the Citizens of Snowmass Village as Council Member on November 2nd 2006 and served as a town council member for four years and served as a member of the Marketing Special Events and Group sales board from November 2002 when it was formulated until November 2nd 2006 when he was elected to the town council. And whereas Reed Lewis served the town of Somos Village for eight combined years of impeccable services, a town council member, and as a member of the marketing special events in group sales board and remains highly esteemed by this community and whereas Reed Lewis' hard work, expertise, excellent attendance record and a sincerity as a responsible steward of this community have been an asset to the town of Stomach Village and whereas during the combined eight years of public service Reed Lewis has demonstrated a strong commitment to the residential and business community, the environment, the employees of this town, and now therefore be it resolved by the town council of the town of Stomest Village, Colorado, the citizens of Stomest Village, the Stomest Village town council and the entire town staff, hereby express their sincere gratitude and appreciation to Reed Lewis for his dedication, loyalty, and excellence in his efforts to promote a strong community and to enhance the quality of life for our citizens. Introduced, read and adopted by the town council of the town of Stomach Village, Colorado, on this 15th day of November in 2010, by emotion made by Mayor Bill Boynell, so moved. In a second, by Councilmember, so moved. John Wilkinson, and all is in favor. Aye. Any opposed? And by a vote of four in favor, to zero opposed. We thank you again for your time. Thanks very much. I just want to welcome the new council members. Let them know that the next couple of weeks are not going to be easy because I'm going to give them all of this to read and it's full and inside your key is your key to not the city but Tom Hall how's that and when you both reply to my email we will have our orientation and a town tour and I'll expect you to know all this materials and they'll be a test very good so if you have anything else that you need or want, please take me to the phone. Thanks. I never got those. That's why we're doing it. Thank you, Varda. You're welcome. Okay, let's move on with the regular meeting of the new council. Next item we have is item number five. This is an update from the Kitambi on the mammoth bones in Water and Sand and you have the folks. So, Kip, welcome, please step forward. Mr. Mayor, I think we got a few other people maybe could join us up front at their table. We have also Dr. Kirk Johnson from the Denver Museum of Nature and Science in Doug Throm. The chair of the board is also joining us and also Rhonda Solis here from the district board. Feel free make yourself comfortable. Yeah, come sit on this side. Yeah, feel free. Kitham, be snowmess water and sanitation. I've got to thank everybody for coming out. It's been a wild month for us. I just realized this last weekend that it has been exactly a month since we discovered these bones up at Ziegler Resvor. And in that month we have shown these bones. A little grayer in that month, there are a lot less hair. We've shown these bones to over 3,500 people down at the district office. We've also taken tours down Valley to the local schools and shown to over 5,800 students. We have also taken over 500 people out to the site to watch the excavation. And then if any of you attended the snowmastodon day here this last weekend, you probably saw another four to 5,000 people out there. So there's been a lot of enthusiasm. It's turned a really good project for film-ass village, the development of this raw water storage, into a really fascinating and exciting project. So, anyway, I wanted to thank everybody for coming out. Doug, you want to... Thanks a couple of times, Eric. I'm Doug Thrawn, the chairman of the Board of the Water and Sanitation District. I think that it's important that everybody understands what the reservoir ridge is for. The snowmast doesn't currently have any raw water storage. The water and sanitation district has been negotiating with the zigglers for an existing pond that's there for about five or six years to eventually we've purchased the actual reservoir side itself and just basically the surface area of the water we have an access agreement to get up to the reservoir but the water and sanitation district owns the reservoir. The reservoir has been there as it turns out we thought it had been there since the 60s when the zigglers pushed them dirt up and created up some storage upon there for them. As it turns out, it's been there for tens of thousands of years. It's a great location for a reservoir. We're able to get gravity water from e-snomass creek, which is the primary source of drinking water for snowmass village. Gravity to the pond, the reservoir, and then gravity back out to the water treatment plant, the alligator pond. So the reservoir site is really a great thing for the community. It gives us raw water storage. It gives us the ability to provide consistent service to the community in drought periods. We're able to protect the ecology of snowmass creek by not having to draw water out of snowmass creek during low flow periods. So first and foremost, I think that every, I don't know how much information the community has about what a great benefit the storage of the water is going to be for us all. So I think that's really important to understand. The archaeological site is a huge bonus for the community, for all of us. And as Kitsa said, the amount of interest has been overwhelming. And we're certainly excited about that. That's obviously something that Kirk can talk to us about. I don't know if there's any direct questions. I think we should let Kirk talk for a little bit about what the reservoirs are, what the archaeological site means. Good. Then we'll have some questions after Kirk's done possible My name is Kirk Johnson and the chief cuter and vice president for research and collections of their museum in nature and science and For the last half a month. I've been a resident of Stomach Village This is an amazing discovery. I'll just quickly recap what happened. On October 14th, Jesse Steele, who's a bulldozer driver for a cool construction, was working in the reservoir and pushed with his D6 cat into a layer of peat and over the top of the blade came two ribs. He had the presence of mine to stop and he talked to Joe Enzer, who's the owners rep, and to Kent Olson, who's the project form in there, and they contacted Kit Hambi, and they collected a number of bones from what turned out to be a young female Colombian mammoth. We heard about the site almost immediately through the state geologist, and we sent people up here on October 20th. I came up on October 27th and looked at the bones and at that time I realized that with Steve Holen as our archeologist that they were actually two mammoth bones in the question down at Semis Water Ascentitation. We then went up to the site and while we were there, Jesse Steele pushed out a large femur of a third animal. So I realized at that point in time that this was way bigger than just a single mammoth. Single mammoth discoveries are pretty common. Multiple ones are not. Over the next day, it became apparent that it wasn't just mammoths, it was mammoths and mastodons. That's relatively unheard of. I sent a team, a small team up on October 29th. And a larger team joined them on November 2nd. We've been here ever since. The site has produced at present count parts of 4 mammoths, parts of 8 mastodon, parts of 4 ice age bison, 2 deer, 1 different ground sloth, and 1 tiger salamander. Similar numbers, the museum has had over 67 staff and volunteers here over the last 18 days. They've logged 3634 man hours on the site, which is two FTEs. I mean, it's been an amazing deployment. And as kids said, we've had both a scientific presence in the site doing the research and analysis of the site, but also we have had a major impact in terms of the educational area. We did over 3,000 people at the members of the Madness Days here in town, and our educators are up and down the valley. So it's been a really fabulous partnership. I got to thank everybody in the city, town of Numas, and some of us water and sanitation districts. We've had incredibly great cooperations for everyone, and it's very clear they're all on the same page about how this thing has developed and where it should go. The site is tremendously scientifically significant. We have flown in seven different national experts on glacial lakes, glacial lake geology, glacial lake fauna and flora, experts on mammoths and massadons, experts on giant ground sloths and experts on ICG animals in general. We have a pretty good sense of the site now. We're wrapping up our excavation today and I was on the site about at 315 before I came in and got dressed to come here and we found this at 315. It's a tooth of a mastodon. Wow. So the site is amazing and it's amazing that I can go out after lunch with Kit, go find a master on tooth and make it back to see you guys at four o'clock. Almost like a real dentist, huh? Exactly. You still go out tonight, Kurt? I will tell you, and anyone who's been watching this knows there's a fairly high and sustained enthusiasm level about this site. And the reasons that it's scientifically significant are mainly this. One is at almost 9,000 feet. Fossil sites are very rare at high elevation. As it's such, we don't know much about fossils anytime here from high elevations. And this is from a time when Colorado was covered by glacial ice. This is high elevation in glacial times. Very poorly known. This site has an excellent record. The fossils here are very well preserved. They, in many cases, the fossil grasses are still green, and the fossil bones are superbly preserved. So that's part because of its high-cool elevation. There's definitely a lot of time represented in the basin. We don't know the exact age of the fossils yet, but our radiocarbon dates have come back. Radiocarbon dead, which means that most of the fossils in the basin are older than 43,000 years. The glaciation probably happened that made the reservoir itself happen about 130,000 years ago. So our best guess is the fossils are somewhere between 43,000 and 130,000 years old. We'll do more to develop that later. And that is the time period that's not well known for its fossils. So you have a lot of time, you have fabulous fossils, you have great preservation, and it's almost unique for its high elevation nature. So we're extremely excited about the site. We have been working with a number of groups that we named about making documentary about the excavation. We've had full quality, high quality documentary cameras on the site since the first day of the excavation. So it is an amazing site, and the museum is fully committed to doing the research on the site and we're looking forward to partnering with Town of Stomach Village to help think about how they might exploit the site for their own benefits. Thank you. Russ? I just wanted to say a little bit more about the partnership and as Kirk and Kit and Doug have inferred it really has been a wonderful, exciting partnership where you know, every day and even every hour the story has continued to evolve. And we talked a little bit about roles today over the district offices. And again, the district is the property owner of the Ziggler Pond. They're doing this to create a reservoir for the community. It's surrounded by the Ziggler's family property, and they're working towards the creation of a reservoir. And they've done a wonderful job and need to be commended for bringing this story both to the scientists to understand the significance of this into the community as a whole. The Denver Museum then has come on scene and really working on behalf of the state archaeologists to preserve the bones that are found on the site and to take them and to deal with them appropriately and then we've had many discussions within the community about what what is the role of the community and Again really I think one of the ways to look at it is the scientists Kirk's colleagues will be telling us the story. And if you've heard him speak, he's even now after two weeks. He has this wonderful story about what's the site, the floor and the fauna and the natural history. And that'll continue to evolve. And then I really think it's up to the community to determine how to communicate that story that the scientists will develop. And I think that's part of the discussion that's beginning today is, you know, how is that story told? I think we'll certainly need assistance and help to raise funds for that, to flesh out all the ideas, and we've gotten many, many wonderful ideas from the community. And I think there's a long-term element to that in terms of how we want to tell the story. There's also a long-term element to that in terms of how we want to tell the story. There's also a short-term element of that in terms of how can we begin to communicate the message even this winter season and Susan and her team have begun to develop a set of ideas that are relatively inexpensive. We can talk about some of those this evening and also certainly talk about more in the future. But I just want to acknowledge kind of the roles of the different groups and it's been a wonderful partnership so far and a great working relationship has been developed. Very good, thank you. Not also like to state that we understand that this is not in the town of Somersville as proper. I've gotten an email from George Newman saying that the county would like to make sure that they're involved. That we have a nice partnership with the county, water and sand in the town to see what the next steps hold for us all. I think there have been a lot of questions people have been coming up with. So maybe Councillor would like to ask a few tonight and start from you know with that. John you want to? Sure well I just want to point out that on Saturday when we had that presentation at the base billage it was between three and four or five thousand people were there and it was the first time in snowmass village history We had a traffic alert on the Picking County website in early November. I mean it was tremendous I heard from retailers stores that normally would have had no sales on Saturday had people coming in and out constantly So the impact to our community is tremendous and it will continue to be tremendous and I want to maintain that going forward. I also want to mention that on Saturday in Denver they're having, they're going to do the same thing that they did here, but in Denver at the museum. And I think it would be good if somebody from town of Snowmass Village could be there as a representative, I can't. I would go, we have another excursion plan for this weekend, but I think it would be appropriate if we could get somebody from here to represent our talent down at their day. There's the word that came up Saturday when we had a little after party at the restaurant was giddiness and just the general euphoria of what this discovery means, not just for snowmass village or picking county or water and sand, but for our civilization because it really goes way, way, way back. And it's important, it gives us information on how to deal with climate change and how to deal with where we've gotten from there to here. I think it's important that we create a group that we have a task force as we could put together on a short term basis to determine what next steps would be for our community and creating perhaps a border commission to deal with the impact that this is going to be bringing to our community. I would really like to have something this winter. The public deserves to know what's going on. We're going to have, we're going to be flooded with visitors this winter. They're coming here for ski vacations. They're all going to be asking, you know, what's with the bones? You know, where are we now? What are we going to do? So, whatever educational piece that you could put together to keep the interest going, because we've been told to be very careful, to take deliberate steps, but yet on the other hand, everyone's going to be anxious to find out about that. So those would be my comments for now. Okay, Fred. This town is blessed with an awful lot of able people, some full time residents, some part time residents. I think it is crucial that as properly as possible, we put together some sort of commission, some sort of board and use the talents that we have here so that we can develop a plan, develop a process to promote this, to make this a really meaningful thing for this town. I have not a marketing person, I am not a scientist, but we have people like that here. And I really would encourage all those who are working directly on this to come together promptly. And anybody who has skills and has talents, I would encourage you to go to Russ and make those skills and talents known. I know we're supposed to proceed deliberately, but I think we need to move more quickly than some might suggest. At least at the initial phase to start putting together a plan to start putting together a program. Jason. I think I agree with everything that's been said so far. Also very excited about this. I think it's a wonderful development for our community. And agree time is of the essence. I'd love to see something move quickly and try and have a visible public exhibit online for this winter to the degree that we can. So, very exciting time for our community. Thank you. I was in Grand Junction this weekend and happened to get up Sunday morning and look at the grand junction paper and of course they have a headline from down there, Sloth and Bison and Manus O'My. So you know, then I heard in Denver, the Denver Post had another thing. So Stomach Village is definitely gotten on the map. But I believe it is one of those things where we have some experts with the folks from the museum that in my mind we should be working with, we're going to be meeting with them sometime in December I guess, and have a little discussion to find out really from their experience. Dr. Johnson over here has written a number of books, one of them being cruising the fossil freeway, talking about a number of different communities across Western United States that have found artifacts and things. And I think it'd be great for the town to say we want to have this group get together, but I think that we've got to digest a little bit and just give the scientists a little bit time to digest what we have and then go and meet with them and find out, out okay what is next step what should this a committee put together by the community what should it what should be looking for what should be the questions we answer are we looking for a small presence of an informational type thing are we looking for you know number of bones that we can find a location of building to put in I mean I think we've all been thinking about things where we can find a location of building to put in. I mean, I think we've all been thinking about things where we can put this stuff. What can we do? How far can we go? What's going to happen with the pond next year? What's the timing? What's the end date that we need to allow you guys to continue the work? I mean, is this something that we, you guys are planning on doing some more excavation next year. Are we going to then, you know, cover it back up, give future generations and, you know, the opportunity to find some more at some point in time. Because, you know, I think there gets to be a certain point in time when you've got enough bones, you've got enough data. Now let's go, you know, step back and work on it. I've had people calling me, coming to me and saying we've got to stop water and sand, we've got to make sure all the bones out that we can. And I'm not sure that I'm in that same camp, I'm more in the camp of making sure our water and sanitation board and directors and management are doing the right thing for the town of Stomach Village. Because I think there's a number of things going on here. And if we sit back and all of a sudden put all these committees together tomorrow, we don't know exactly who else is out there what's going on. So I think there's a little give and take there. And I think that we do need to have some information out for people this winter in a long term view and a short term. But I don't want to stime me anything because the momentum's there. There's definitely going to be the fundraising to help do more things. The county wants to have some presence at the airport, possibly some pictures, some bones, some castings, and all this can be done. It just takes a little bit of time and a little bit of money. So I guess one of the initial questions is, what is your thinking about the future of what you guys have in store for us? We just started that discussion here today and Russ was part of that. We talked a little bit about the construction of the dam next year. And we'd like to move forward with the construction of the dam, of course. But there are some fossils that are right where the foundation of that dam sits. We talked with Kirk a little bit about that and how he could bring a team in and try and get those remaining bones out of that area. And there is about a six to eight week period at the beginning of the spring that he would be able to accomplish that. He's only been here for what, 13, 14 days, Kirk, is that correct? And he's already accomplished a tremendous amount of work and found a lot. So we think that that should be more than adequate time for him to get in there and clear that area where the foundation of the dam is. Once that's clear, then we can go ahead with construction of the dam. And if Kirk and his in the Denver Museum would like to move into the areas outside of that foundation, we're going to talk about that at our November 22nd meeting. But right now, it looks like that's a good possibility that he could continue work in that area. So that's the general feel right now, but I think a lot of it depends on the funding for this dig next year. And that really is out of our hands and in Kirk's hands and in this community sense. Right. Okay. Does anybody else have any questions right now? Well, no, I hear what you're saying, Bill. And I understand where Fred is coming from as well. I think it would be who of us to have a committee formed, not as a permanent board or a body, but as a citizen group to start ferritating out all these different issues, because we can't possibly, as a council, be able to keep our hands on all that's going on. And I think it's important to include the public that we have in our community, not for the full blown board discussion that Fred would like and I would like to, but I think it would be important to have some citizen group formed immediately to just keep everyone involved and keep us focused and keep us on path. Okay. Press, you know, we were talking a little bit today. Well, you know, and again, as I mentioned, I think there's some short term actions that, again, we can give you a flavor of them tonight, but we could also schedule something that your next meeting and really go through that in more detail. But quite frankly, we'd like the license to be able to implement some of these short term ideas. Some of them are simple and we're beginning to do any way such as connecting to the Denver Museum's website. So that'd be one question is, would you like us to schedule a little time and talk about those short term ideas? And then I think the fundamental question that a lot of people are curious about is, will the committee be formed and when I think in doing any sort of citizens community you want to have a clear purpose and what are the expectations and then are you looking for certain skill sets. So if that's a discussion, you know the majority wants to have, you know that's an important discussion to have if you're considering creating a committee. Exactly so I think that's something we should personally. I certainly would be in favor of that. I think it's, so I say I think it's, you've got a lot of skills and talents here. People are itchered to go to work. I think you're absolutely right. There needs to be direction. There needs to be procedures. There needs to be methodology. But you've got this intense enthusiasm about this that you don't want to dissipate. Jason? I certainly don't have any problem with a committee being formed. I just question whether it's the town's role to be the sponsor of that committee or citizen's group, necessarily. Obviously there's a lot of interest and energy around this idea coming out of the community. And I think certainly the town should have a seat at that table as well as lots of other groups and interests. But I don't necessarily know that I think it's a town's or a certain media. Well, I think, you know, from what I've been hearing from the community, specifically, the county who owns the property, and not the city of the county has property, you know, it sits in the jurisdiction of the county. So I think there'll be there, and there'll be a number of folks probably from Pitkin County that will have experience. I was talking to Hillary Fletcher a few weeks ago, and she said she's had plenty of archaeological things and gave me a lot of suggestions. So I know there's a number of folks out there. I think there are people on the water and sand board that we'd like to have involved. And I think Jason brings a good question. What is, who needs to be driving this ship? I think it is something that, personally, I think the talent should be, it's closer to the town, but I think we have to have some of those discussions and go move forward. So the next meeting, if we can. Would you like to schedule something at your next meeting just to hit on some of those fundamental issues? I mean, for me, I would just say we should be talking about this early and often, just to keep up with the momentum. And at the same time, I wouldn't want to discourage any other citizen group from forming and getting going on their own strategies and work around how we move forward with this. So OK. So I follow Jason I think it should be something the next meeting we get together, John. And Fred, absolutely. So if we can do something the next meeting have a little discussion, have some of these questions answered. Do you want any kind of hint or tickler of short term actions or would you wait until the next thing? If you have something, you know, we can sort of go into the I understand staff and you have been talking about a little bit And I know Susan's been looking at some As Susan's saying this out, I just characterized this this is really from brainstorming so And input from various ideas that have come from the community. It's not the end all But it's really intended to be, what are some ideas we could potentially implement for this ski season? Any more copies in the back of the day one, Stan? So of course, no one's been sitting on their derriere is getting dusty with this stuff. There has been a lot of work going into it. A lot of people have been looking at this as in finding it. So Susan, would you go off from a little teaser? Sure. I won't go through all the details because you have it in front of you. But since day one, in this sort of gold just fell in our laughs, it's been amazing. Thank you very much. It doesn't mean we're going to abandon ski resort marketing. That's our bread and butter, that we're not going to have a summer product. But this absolutely represents economic potential for us. And I'll just say there's three things that we're making sure we cover. One is communication. The museum is doing a fabulous job of tweetering and Facebook. I think you've got almost 5,000 fans. It's no mass mammoth. It's been going out. We've been retweeting and reposting those. So that happened immediately. You'll see that there are no dollar signs estimated against. Some of these things because we already do them. So all we do is change and leverage this theme. We added the information to the collateral. We've got some new swag coming in. The family activities, instead of songs and stories about birds will be about Amnesty and Mestodon. So we'll play up the theme. The other piece is Visibility. I don't know if you recall that we did street poll banners several years ago. So we'd like to propose doing those again. Mammoth, the bias in the Mestodon at all the different street poll locations. So people ask the question, what's going on here? And then the education and the answers. Creating a dedicated website that's very, very interactive. And when I say this, we don't want to duplicate any efforts that the museum is doing. It's matter of fact, we want to take them wherever you will give them to us so that we can move swiftly. But we do believe that a dedicated website, interactive activities, games for kids. And then if we could find some locations, we have guest services at Town Park Station, which is staffed, and have computers there for people to get on and play with it. Other locations have been offered to us as well, so we're exploring all of those. And then repurposing it with videos that perhaps the lodgers could put in their television sets when people check in and check out. Partners have been stepping up. Anderson Ranch, we put them together with the Espin Scheme Company. You're going to do a snowy mammoth winter sculpture out there. It'll be done by the middle of December. So there's a lot of creative things that we're playing with, using it for groups going after scientists, theming the event, snowmassic park, and the Denver Museum is finally coming out to talk to all the meeting planners. So again, I won't go through all of it. Here are some examples. And if you have any comments or are happy to take it back to our team, there have been no shortage of calls and emails with ideas. Trust me. I believe that you. I will point out the FAQ that Tatsy, our PR manager, did has been phenomenal because a lot of the questions, we've been getting these questions and we're not the experts. And so we put this together and people have been actually even stopping by the office to get more. I even had a call from someone who asked me to come to a event as Fred Flintstone. I've done a lot of things tonight. But you got to bring your mammoth. You'd be Dre with me to be willing, all right? I'm just a resemblance there. There is a little resemblance there. But no, so I had to turn that one down. But there's a lot of stuff happening. And I think it's great that there's this much energy and excitement about this. And we appreciate the Denver Museum and Dr. Johnson and all his team in all the folks. I've got a few books that Kurt did give me to share with the community and they are some fascinating reads and I'll have these in town hall and give them to somebody at the town desk and anybody wants to come by and check them out. They can always buy a few books from Kurt. I'm sure he'd be glad to have him sold. But I think we've got a great asset in the museum and I think the working relationships have been fantastic. So I think we're all pretty proud of what's going on and still amassed with this. Any other comments on this? Public comment. Public comment, please step forward, station name for the record. Yes. Yes. These are the kind of questions that. Please. Cleo Baleinger from Tap of the Village. And we're really part timers, although we've been here more than a year and a half because of some problems back home. But anyway, and I love living here. I've always been a lake person, but I'm getting to be a hillbilly. Anyway, the question about right after the find, it was soon mentioned in the paper that the lawyers got together. What was the legality? And what were the lawyers putting together on paper? That's question number two. And my other question for Dr. Johnson is people are asking me. I mean, do you have enough phones to put one, two, three animals together? Or are you going to have to reproduce some of the full skeleton. And of course, we're all interested. I would like to see even if it's not going to be the real things, at least a three major. If he's got what, eight mastodons, are there enough bones to put anything together? Or do we have to wait until next summer? Those are questions I have for him. And the thing about the lawyers. What did the lawyers put together? Well, I guess when I understand there had to be an agreement to bring people up and what was happening. And I think water and sand as attorneys in the Denver Museum were a little bit unique time talking through lawyers as those gentlemen and ladies get to be once in a while. But I think it was just looking for the long-term view of what would benefit the summer as Water and Sand District, what we can expect out of this find of bringing the museum folks. And from what I understand, Kit, right, and don't know how I can say, is that part of the agreement is that the museum will get the bones. They will then do a casting of one of the animals for us and send that to the water and sand. And at that point, from what I understand, it's basically a box of bones they get. At that point, I what I understand, it's basically a box of bones they get. At that point, I believe up to the community to figure out what they're going to do with them. We just put them in this box in the corner, or do we do something like we build an exoskeleton and put them all up? I happen to go to the museum in Fruta on Friday and the way back from my trip to the West Coast and I saw all these gorgeous prehistoric dinosaurs and stuff from a different age that they put together, and they've got, they must have what, 20, 30 different bones that they've tasked and put together. So I think what the idea is they're going to get one, water and sand will get one bone set, and then we'll put them together somewhere and water the sand at that point as a choice of what they do with them. I think whether they donate them to the town and we find a place that might work, you know, part of these committees might put together an idea of what they should go, where they go. And I think that there's always other bones that could be found and put together for a cost for a fee. And, you know, numbers I've been reading and hearing about are anywhere from, you know, 50 to 100 K for a basic, 250,000 if you want to get a skilt, and a, you know, a skin on the outside of these things. So, these things take time. They take a year to two years for the bones to dry out enough for casting to happen. So, I think that this is going to take some time. It's not going to be anything we get right away. Personally, I'd like to have some real bones in the corner somewhere that people can see and just not a casting. I think there are enough bones, but also a curt was explained to me. Even if they don't find all bones, they can reproduce what they need to help put together a complete animal. Well, that's what, and I think it was Saturday's paper. It mentioned that the state owns the bones. Now we're going from Stomach Village to the museum, to the state, to the city. Well here's the accounting. I don't want to take a lot of time. No, no, this is a good question. From what I understand when a governmental body, in this case, special district water and sand has a piece of property and they find the bones in that area, the state gets the control of them. If it was on private property, there's a different issue, a different way it goes. But when it's on a public piece of property, then the state gets to take control of them. There's only two places in the state of Colorado that can be a repository for these bones. And one is the Denver Museum of Nature and Science and the other is at CU. So there has to be a place that can be, you know, it's set up for humidification, you know, proper storage, proper maintenance of these things. Otherwise, after a couple years, they will disintegrate. And so they have to be in a place. Yes, the state archaeologist came up and said, yeah, basically these are the state's bones. Kurt, do you want to? Well, I'm sorry to take so much time, but I know Mr. Forest has certainly worked very hard on this. And as soon as you can get answers in the newspaper, you won't get that many emails and calls. Believe me. Oh, they're fun. They're all right. Kurt, do you want to explain anything else that I've said maybe in an error? No, I think it was a pretty good summary. I just would add direct response to your question. The fossil that was first discovered, the young mammoth, they had about 20% of the bones taken up already when we got here, and we did an excavation which we just finished yesterday, and we got about 25 to 30% more of that animal. So, about half the skeleton of that animal, we don't know where the other half is. It may have been scavenged before it was buried. It may still be in the ground, and we may find it next spring, but that's the most complete animal we have. A lot of the other animals are partial skeletons or isolated bones. So as the present time, we have no complete skeleton of any animal with the exception of the deer that we found. That one's fairly complete deer. But the bigger animals will be like two tusks, a skull, some leg bones. And that's why we had a hard time actually saying the actual number of animals because imagine if we took 10 elephants, bones, shook them up and spread them on the floor. And then grab a hand, grab how many of you would you have? We don't know. I do know that as of this afternoon and down in the water in Santa Officer where our people are washing and packing the bones. It is the s'morn we packed 503 bones. Wow. So, now one animal's got almost that many bones, but we have bones from probably about 30 animals, I think. So, standard paleontology. But when we come back our goal is to see what we can flesh out on that end. And I think all the things you said about the state ownership is correct. Thank you, Kirk. Okay, any other questions from the public? I'm Colleen Doyle. I'm with the part-time residents advisory board, which I will refer to as P-TRAB. And I apologize I've been trying running to get here in time for the meetings like by snowstorms, etc. So I will be reading most of this. My comments tonight will be in two parts. Most of you know me because of my passion and commitment to snowmess village. And as a member of the snowmess village community for the last 30 plus years, a member of P-Trab and a former member of the Snowmass Village community for the last 30 plus years, a member of Petrab and a former member of the FAB. But I want to tell you a little bit more about my background today. I've struggled with this because I'm a very private person. But I think what you don't know about me will help you to understand the uniquely holistic perspective that underlies my comments and the discussions and then the letter that has come out of Petra. I have been dedicated to and working at the intersection of most of the areas where you're hearing from the specialist so far. One obviously snowmass village. Two policymaking and advocacy. Three science, four education, five development, including both grant writing and fundraising, six nonprofit and nonprofit management, seven, my law degree, eight, business degree in marketing, and nine, I'm the parent of two teens that most of you know who are passionate enough about science and math that they created a nonprofit in Snowmass Village to educate exciting and form kids about science for the past four or five years now. A little bit more about this. Again, not to bore you, but just to give you an understanding of where my comments come from. You know, I've had a decade-long passion for and demonstrated commitment to SNOMAS Village, but I have also been working in policymaking and advocacy at the federal and two state levels. As high as working and talking with Obama's chief policy advisor and members of his PCASTER Science Advisory Committee, Clinton's former Science Advisor. My representative at home was actually the ranking minority member on the House, the U.S. House Education Committee. We've had some discussions with him as well as his staff. I worked with Minnesota Governor Polenti in setting up an excellent Linson Science and Math Day awarding educators, policymakers and students, excellent in science and math education awards at a state STEM science technology engineering math roundtable that the governor had sent up, talked with Governor Ritter just last May on education, have testified before many House and Senate committees in Minnesota on three separate bills in education specifically. I have also worked in science with scientists from many different fields, physicists, and so on. I've also talked with the head of the education and human resources part of the American Academy for the advancement of science, specifically on science education and education reform. I worked in education in many areas, talking with university level, high school level, middle school, and elementary school. I've also worked in setting up some science curriculum for a group of profoundly gifted students in Minnesota who are homeschooled. I have done development at both the university as well as writing grants from foundations and the NSF. I've worked with a local nonprofit for a couple of years in exactly this science and education. At a very high level working on policy and with scientists from many areas thinking about many different areas of science as well as working with children, young and old, including high school students from areas or groups underrepresented in science, Native American, African American, and Hispanic students as well. Again, I've already mentioned my educational background, having worked with law, having a thought about and done some of the research on some of the legalities here. And then being a parent of this, one of my children, they started out here at 12 and 15, exciting and informing kids about science. I know they worked with Jason's kids, and we're very happy to see him up on council. But in the process, just having seen that this is doable, exciting and informing kids, my own included from the time that they were to. Now my daughter is at one of the Ivy Leagues pursuing physics and math, double major, and working in high energy physics at a Department of Energy laboratory with the research team. And then my son is doing a dual credit program. So though he is a high school junior, he's actually a University of Minnesota level sophomore working in chemistry and math. So I've been through this and have worked together to build census and have also seen the perspective when you take so many different views together. And that's how I come to you today. Sometimes it can seem overwhelming to consider how to move forward on a project of this magnitude, but it is doable and it is doable in a way that will benefit our community as well as the much broader community. If it is done in small, thoughtful steps. But waiting to have everyone in everything perfect means missed opportunities, especially in terms of potential funding. There are no negative consequences to investigating these opportunities now and to working in phases. So I and speaking on behalf of the PEETRAB urge you to be proactive, strategic and forward-thinking and to work with our community, our partners and other stakeholders starting now. A transitional group can quickly be put in place to advise council and staff now and also as council considers a more formal advisory board in the near future. A transitional group can also seek and compile all of the community and public input and ideas that you have begun to already hear and provide them to council in a cohesive and organized manner. A transitional group can begin to work on fundraising now and advise council on even a transitional center that could be put in place. Starting this now means that we avoid problems, such as one that I've discussed with a few of you. The mere perception that if another organization, even a very strong partner who will continue as a partner has significant funding. You risk having other potential funders thinking that somebody else will be getting the funding, that they already have funding in place. That perception of other funders already there can become the reality that Snowmass Village will not be able to overcome. Pursuing grants also takes time in partners and that process can be started now. There is one very specific area that I've worked on in the past that the NSF expressed interest in that may fit very precisely here and that they've just opened up enormous funding potential for. Colleen, the public NSF stands for? National Science Foundation, sorry. Sorry. And I'm currently exploring this as well. By late winter, even the second half of this winter, we could have some very good, easy to implement one day and multiple day science programs in place for children where instead of going perhaps to daycare or to ski one day, they may be able to come to a no-mass village science program. Maybe even I talked to Steve Alder to talk to Dwayne Romero. They are actually looking at the possibility of maybe even having a ski and ski out on the mall that parents could be dropping those kids off at these types of programs by the second half of the winter. So I am asking you to please drop from the expertise in our community including full and part time residents. Now for holistic and experienced advice as we continue the discussions of what this means for the future of Snowmass Village. Otherwise time and circumstances will dictate to Snowmass Village the opportunity is still available and those that have already been lost. And I will close by reading the Petreb letter that we had just sent. Dear Mayor Boyno and Council members, the Snowmass Village Part-time residents advisory board offers to town council, staff, our community, and its partners the resources, expertise, and elbow grease of the part-time community as we discover what lies in Snowmass' future based on what we've discovered in its past. Snowmass stands at the threshold of discoveries that as one member of our community said, could change our understanding of the world. The sooner we begin to discuss what this means for our community, the opportunities and issues, and the roles of our community, its strategic partners, and other stakeholders, the better and sooner we will be able to serve our community and others. Now is the time for snowmass to be proactive, strategic, and forward-thinking. Time is of the essence. Current and future opportunities are being defined right now. Strategic consideration of what is happening or not happening now will define future opportunities and will prevent missed opportunities. Defining partnerships and the role of the partners now will create more strategic, holistic and positive results. Fundraising from private donors and foundations as well as through grants, take time and will be impacted by both the reality of and the perception of what the town and as partners are doing we're not doing now. Creation of a science and natural history advisory board has already been proposed is supported by our board the Petra board and continues to receive community support and antecedent to such a town advisory board such as a task force can be created immediately and charged with doing research and groundwork and making recommendations to council about how to set up an advisory board and what stakeholders should be represented on such a board. A task force could also begin the fundraising and grant rating processes for spring excavation funding support and a transitional and permanent science education center as well as make recommendations to counsel on the early steps in partnerships that will be necessary to create a transitional and permanent science education center. Although a permanent science education center on the archaeological discoveries will take time, a transitional center can be in place much more quickly and can also help determine how best to create a permanent center that will be the most beneficial to the community and others. Such a transitional center could offer science camps, professional conferences and transitional exhibits and could include a complete or early phase of the observatory that has been proposed for snowmess. A day and night science educational center, both transitional and permanent, will bring children, young adults, families, and professionals to SNOMAS very soon. The part-time residence advisory board has recently identified a 501-C3 and is optimistic that it can be used immediately. And until another nonprofit can be set up with the mission of developing and sustaining a permanent center. The Part-Time Residence Advisory Board offers its fundraising, grant writing, business, nonprofit management, marketing, communication, science, science education, and other resources and expertise to you. We look forward to working with Council, staff, our community and its partners, sincerely the Snowmass Village Part-time Residence Advisory Board. Thank you, Colleen. Thank you. Yeah, you bring up a lot of nice things in your letters and the information you had presented to the, you know, in an email a few weeks ago about the initial letter you talked about. I think that we're all excited to see what we can do to move forward. I don't know if we have a lot of very talented and capable people in Pitching County that can really help us with this. Anything else? Well, I'd just like to comment on Colleen's proposal here to the degree that you say you've identified a nonprofit 501c3. It's already existing. Is there more information you can give us about that? Who's involved with it? What's the structure? What can they do tomorrow? I am told that the person that I've talked with has fully supported it thinks the board will support it. It would be a transitional vehicle that's ready and all it would take is setting up a checking account with Alpine Bank. And then donors writing checks to that fund. And then that would be passed on to the group that is working towards what snowmess villages looking at. Is that a mechanism that we could build a community involvement around? My understanding is that it would be a transitional vehicle that we could do exactly what you're talking about now, while we put in a more permanent structure because creating a 501C3, although it's not difficult, it does take some time, for example, to get a letter of determination from the IRS can take approximately six months. And it also has an application fee that we'd have to raise as well. This is simply a show. It is not performing any function now. The 501C3. I can. That would be wonderful. Yes. Merck is actually who I can. That would be wonderful. Yes. Murk is actually who I have been talking to. Okay. I will pass it on to him if you have other questions. Just let me know, please. Thank you, Murk. Several people have been Doug Murkertorist. And I'm also the president of the Snowmass Community Fund, which is a 501c, nonprofit registered in Snowmass Village, the history of the Snowmass community fund is it was created to be a vehicle for good projects in Snowmass Village that could be used to channel money from the private sector for public good projects and those monies would be tax deductible to the person that donated the money. It has been used in the past. It built the start king memorial on the rim trail. It was used for arbor day plantings at the entryway before the entryway was a formal entryway. It was used for other projects, including the one that's the most well-known, and that's the free Thursday night concert series. It was the funding vehicle for that before it was turned over to Susan in the town for many years, for about 12 years. Colleen contacted me about just the possibility of looking into forming a nature and science center in snow mass. What I thought of that, I told her I thought that that was a wonderful idea. I thought that the idea of having a possibly, I don't know, a snowmass village branch of the Denver Museum of Nature and Science that sits somewhere in snowmass village or some place that could display some of the discoveries that have been found. I have educational aspects of it and have programs such as the programs we've done as far as educational programs with the Suzuki school in the past, the ballet school in the past. Those type of things seem very good for the community. So I told Colleen if she needed a or if a group of people or if the town needed a 501c3 to function that I would take it to the board. This conversation with Colleen and I have had, I have not taken to the board of the Snowmass Community Fund, which I think you all know these people Dave Miler, the attorney from Aspen is on the board, Stacey Stokes, from Snowmass Village is on the board Stacey Stokes from Snowmass Village on the board Stan Corners-Sovitch from Alpine Bank is on the board and Jeff Syvice from Snowmass Village is on the board. So this is a well-established Benin operation for decades, 501C3. And we're currently doing a small project with the SNOMAS history book that's being put together by local people and Colleen's description is accurate what we usually do and we actually did this community party at the Rec Center the community picnic this year in conjunction with the town. So we have a history of doing these type of things. If people get together and think it's a good idea, I will be happy to take it to our board. Thank you. Mark. Thanks, Mark. Any other questions? One more comment just to follow that up with. Having this type of community support and also having private donors early on and a very strong partner that has had some fiscal, shown fiscal responsibility in the past makes it that much easier to go to foundations and the National Science Foundation and seek the next step. So this is an important part to put in place on the longer process of more established grants that would sustain such an effort as well. Colleen, how long are you in town for right now? Unfortunately, just till tomorrow, unless I can change my plans, but if you want to get together, let me know, and I'll look into it. Thank you. Thanks. Anything else? We can always contact you with phone and- Oh absolutely. I'm actually- I will come in. My experience is very much of working virtually as well. Good job. So- Right. Thank you. I just want to mention, I think to me that's the perfect kind of structure that I was thinking about that could bring all the different potential partners and collaborators together to work forward on this. And I'm just wondering, based on a couple of things that you have Mark said, is there any precedent for a satellite location of the Denver, Munizia, and the Nature and Science? Has that occurred at any other big location or communities that you've worked with in the past? And also just in terms of getting something going sooner than later and latching onto this momentum, are there any loan or displays, I mean, understanding that it takes time for bones to be treated and preserved and things like that? Are there things like you were presenting last Saturday at the large banners and things like that that could be deployed here in Snowmass early in the winter? To me, I mean, even waiting till December 6th our next meeting feels like we're missing the boat a little bit and we should be getting ahead of this now to get something in place at the airport from when people start coming this winter. Get something here in town for this winter. But we have to talk with county on that one. So, you know, we just can't put it in the airport. I understand that. I think about what it is. Director, I think this street in the director's sponsor is no satellite DMS. We have worked with lots of regional small museums and what we do, I mean our mission is really to do science, to take care of the treasures of Colorado and to educate about science through exhibits and other forms. We've created a tremendous amount of collateral about this exhibit already, about this dig already. And we intend to partner with Snowmass. So, you know, just really comes down to funding for specific collateral things that you might want to use in a short time. And clearly we see, as George Sparks, our CEO said, early in the game, clearly Snowmass and the museum are changed by this event. So that's our intention. Thank you, Kirk. Well, let's definitely plan on having that discussion next meeting, but I think staff and the folks will be, you know, working on things and you know, as the last few weeks. I got you George. Sorry. We'll, we'll, you know, have those continue working, but yeah, as far as council and the public this is an episode of we can do this staff will be doing that George bill yeah I just have a few comments Howard Gross I was here at the last meeting asking with the marketing department was gonna be doing it about it I think this list is great I'm very supportive of it the only only concerns I have, excuse me, hearing what's going on here, is that I think you may end up with a whole different bunch of groups doing their own thing. You keep mentioning Pitkin County. So if they start out doing their thing and snowmast wants to do their thing. I am very concerned that they'll be going off in different directions potentially. So I also am very supportive of what Colleen recommends. I'd love to see all of the participants, the interested parties, getting together in a task force, not necessarily a formal committee, but at least a task force to see where all the interests lie and that everybody's headed the same direction. I'd also love to see one body where all of public comment can come in without putting staff under a tremendous burden, but people are calling you at home, people are emailing. Wouldn't it be wonderful just to have an article in the paper that says, if you have any great ideas about the bones, email this thing. Email here and you could be gathered and siphoned out and discussed at a council meeting or wherever you deemed unnecessary. But I'm very concerned that you're gonna have people going off a whole bunch of different directions without any cohesiveness. Plus the fact that as great as all this local work is being done and I encourage it, I have no idea what kind of monies are out there for a potential off-site building in snowmass. All I can tell you is that those five, six thousand people that showed up, showed up to see something. And they didn't go to the Wheeler Opera House and ask them, or the Picking County Courthouse. They came to Snowmass. And I think getting our arms around it, we may find out that there are foundation money available to do things like that. I see no risk in researching, but I'd love to see it more organized. I'm hearing a little bit of shooting at different targets. Well, of course, Howard, I think my thinking is, it's only been a month, 30 days, and we've got what? A couple hundred thousand years of history underneath us. So, we're gonna get someplace, but I believe we will be talking with the county directly and water to sand to try to do a good cohesive program to see what we should be doing. But everybody wants to get something done real quick and they're always afraid government travels moves too slow. And yeah, right. But my point is I don't want to do things hastily without it being organized. But I don't believe anybody in this room. Or maybe someone in this room knows that there's a million dollars out there in a grant. I don't know if anybody in the in the county has that, but it's available in this community. And I'm just hoping that you open it up to the community so you can get those ideas. Very good Howard. Thanks. Okay. Thank you very much and we will continue on with our next item on the agenda. Kit, thank you. Doug. And Kirk. Work has to continue. Thank you. Next item is resolution item number six. This is a resolution number 43 series 2010 approving federal transit administrative administration master agreement certifications and Assurances for 2011. Mr. Peckler has name on this. Thank you, Council. Basically, this is the standard sort of boilerplate master agreement and certifications and assurances that are a requirement of any federally funded project. This approval is trying to identify or approve the master agreement and certification insurance is relative to three federal grants that were moving forward in 2011. One is an admin and operating grant in the neighborhood of $190,000. The second is a 5309 bus and bus facilities grant that we have historically received for a number of years now in the neighborhood of $50,000. And a recent development is a TIGER 2 environmental grant that we were successfully getting funding. We were the only grant application in the state of Colorado for about $73,000. So, yes, my dear? I'm just trying to get the people on the background to keep talking. Oh, okay. Sorry about that, Council. So that is what these, this master agreement and the certifications and assurances are relative to. I have provided you with a link to both the master agreement and the certification and the insurances that are rather lengthy. I didn't want to kill a tree just to make five copies of it. And by giving you the link to the FDA website. I listed some of the areas where I see that there is the most relevance to the community, some of the other things don't apply, some of the other certifications don't apply. But the 12 that I listed on page 12 pretty much are the areas that we think there's a direct correlation to the town of Snowmass Village. We have been actively, acting aggressively to try and keep the community in compliance in these categories. So I don't see that any specific one as a problem for the community. David, so again, this is something we've done in years past to get these grants. And are there any new obligations to generate a budgetary issue? Not relevant to this, no. Well, the TIGER 2 grant does come with some local match requirement, which we missed in the budget process. However, it's a 90-10 match. So we are only looking for 10%, which I think we can find. That's an energy efficiency action similar to what we've done somewhere other public works facilities. Yeah, so. Questions of Dave on resolution 43. Are any of these subject earmarks? Depends on how you define an earmark. The bus and bus facility is a pool of funding that comes out of the sale gas taxes and is a lump sum in the old days. There was some earmarking of the lump sum. Now that lump sum goes to the federal transit administration for disbursement. So that's a yes and no answer to that question. I imagine what he's getting at is with the change of the regime at the federal level. Are some of these grants that we're looking at potential to go away? In future years, however, this is relative to you. The federal transit administration requires that you prove the master agreement and the certifications and insurgents annually. And that's why we bring this to you every year. And it's relative to the funding that's in 2011. So there we have been awarded grants in 2011. That will be acting on. Any other questions today? Is there a motion to approve resolution 43? Motion by John Wilkinson, second by. Second. I Fred Cooker. Further discussion? All those in favor of resolution number 43 series 2010 signify saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you, David. Moving on to item number seven resolution number 30 line series 2010 approval of the contractor agreement with the Colorado Department of Transportation for a federal transit administration grant section 5311 administration and operating grant back to David again. This is basically the admin and operating grant one of the three grants that I was speaking about. I have to make a acknowledge there's a typo on page 16 and two background section two. The operating grant is for $308,200 half of which $154,100 is FTA funding and $154,100 is local batch. This grant, we've been receiving this grant for a number of years now. It's basically trying to create year round bus service within the core of the community, sort of the basic underpinning of a network for transit in Snowmass Village. That focuses on the brush creek and alcreek quarters with an overlap that gives you 15 minutes service from alcreek brush creek intersection to the mall through all your commercial nodes. So specifically you're talking talks about two routes route three and that. Yes, in the exhibit A basically references what we're being awarded the funding for and those to those two routes and again because they cover the core arterial for the community and the two major sub arterials Alcreek Road and where brush creek roads, why is it alkyc road? That's what we applied for in 2006 and received funding back then. It is a requirement that we obligate the local match, which has been done within the budget process, but this is a formally gratifying what we're doing in relation to this grant. Very good. Any other questions? Yeah, I've got one question. You say, and at number two, you say the local match is 154,000. Then you say this resolution obligates the local match, which will be 163271. It's a combination of the local match of $154,100 and the local match for the admin of $99,171. Okay. Point number one, number two together. Yeah, and this is the, give the budget, correct? This is in the budget, yes. Thank you. Other questions? Move. It's a motion. Other questions? Move. It's a motion. To move by Mr. Wilkinson, second by Fred Cooker. Just for the discussion. All those in favor, sitting up with us, aye. Aye. Any opposed? That also passes unanimously. Thank you, Council. Thank you, David. You're time. Moving on, item number eight. the resolution number 50, series 2010, establishing town council meeting dates for 2011. There was some question on the rest you want to go ahead and? Well, that's actually my item. I just wanted to let you know that I did, there is a mistake in both option one and two. August 1st is a meeting date but not the 25th. It would be two weeks out, not three weeks out. So August 1st is on a Monday. August 15th would be in our next meeting, not the 25th. The real question is, 4th to July lands on a Monday and what we've done recently is simply shift the meeting to the 5th. We've had councils say that's difficult to come back from a long weekend and jump into a council meeting on the 5th. You could bump at the following week but then that creates a ripple effect into August. So really two scenarios around the laid out is simply we continue to do it on the Tuesday after the long holiday or space it out. It's great. Two months of change dates. Right. And so I guess when I read this my personal feeling was just to just put the meeting and- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- And- to move with option two. What is the rest of the council feel? Okay, with having that on the fifth. I mean, I'm going to be here. So you can't prime me out here in the summertime. So the fifth is fine by me. Okay. Let's move with option number two then. Thank you. Thank you, Miranda. Still need approval of that reservation. And what did you say the second meeting in August would be? It's not the 25th? No, it's like this would be the 15th. So this is for option two resolution number 50 series 2010. Is there a motion? Motion by Jason. Second by. 2010 is there a motion? Motion by Jason second by Fred cooker All those in favor is if I by say aye aye any opposed Thank you very much Those are your calendars Okay moving down to item 9, that manages report. Yes. We're looking at calendars. We wanted to suggest having a council retreat. A couple of purposes behind doing that. One, just an opportunity to talk about how you want to work together, how you want to work with staff. One of the products of that is a set of ground rules. The council created a couple of years back, but also more substantive. It's an opportunity to talk about goals, really what you want to achieve over the next two years. So an opportunity to really provide direction to staff in terms of key goals, actions you want to look at in the future. So that's the purpose behind it. So the first question is would you like to have a meeting like that? Every time you have a meeting, it is a public meeting. The thought behind this is that it's not one of your regularly scheduled meetings, and it is potentially in a different location. The public can certainly still attend. And that it's also facilitated. We just threw out January 10th as a potential date. It could be sooner, but I wonder if you want to take a couple of meetings in terms of particularly the new members jumping into this before having a meeting like this. So, certainly help for staff. I just wanted to ask what your desire is. before having a meeting like this. So, certainly help for staff. I just wanted to ask what your desire is. Well, there being agenda, and when you say facilitated, you mean you're gonna get an independent person to come in and run the meeting? It's typically what we've done. Okay. But yes, there would be an agenda. How is the date for... On the first January 10th work? Fine with that. John? Yep. What day of the week is it? That would be second Monday. Second Monday. How many hours are you expecting to have this for at least 12 in a row? A working day. You know, we did this and it was an morning event. It could be an afternoon event. A component of it was potentially just with John and I, your staff, a component of it. It could as well be with the directors. I'm asking them what did they see as the next two years as critical high level goals to bounce off you, see what you think about them. next two years is critical high level goals to bounce off you see what you think about them. But you know just wanted for now to really lock in a date for that. And generally council should understand that these events these retreats have taken as much as you know a couple days in the past we've been off to you know it's like brick and rich we hired a facilitator to, you know, put us through some paces of team building, and that kind of stuff. And I don't see that as a necessary thing at this point. I think if we could plan on a morning or an afternoon, we could be able to get through a lot of this without wasting a lot of your time or staff time. And my personal feeling is working with Russ and John. It would be enough I think for us to send them the messages and let them Russ pass that along to staff. I'm okay with the 10th but it would have to be in the afternoon. Yeah, you have a morning. Yeah, I have a Monday morning. So can you like one o'clock me to start or? I'd like to have two or three. Two o'clock we can start or three three two o'clock we can start or three Because it's gonna take a few hours Yeah, and I would rather you know personally to doing a little dinner John. Yeah, that's what I think I'm trying a little bit into the early evening Okay, so three o'clock Works for everybody Five I'm five Jason sure. Okay. Let at three o'clock and have a dinner in there. And if it's a lot of time, I think we can stay in town somewhere. I don't think we need to travel off and hide from that. We can make it inexpensive. I bet you will. It will be a publicly noticed meeting. Again, the second item is just to referral from Peking County. will be a publicly noticed meeting again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you change to a zone district that affects the landfill, again from an operational standpoint, we asked our, it's all the way staff whether they see any issues of it, also police department, the other police departments have a shooting range there, they see this as positive. I just wanted to put it here if you have any questions about it, Chris is here to answer. Mr. Conrad, do you have any of them? Just basically they're emitting the master plan for that landfill, recognizing of course that the landfill is filling up and there are uses that have been improved in the past, but also this involves some other potential uses for this side dealing with recycling and so forth. As listed in the manager's report, the planning department has already sent some comments back to the planner. This application started about in May and we didn't receive a referral on it. So we've had kind of short notice that the thing I can assure you is that the future, any of the future uses that they've identified within their application will return for Commissioner review as special review items and we've corrected whatever was the problem on the referral. So we'll have advanced notice of any of these future applications. What's our jurisdiction over that? I mean, why if it's a county landfill why why are we involved? Well we actually the planning department became aware of it when the letter to an adjacent land to the adjoining land owners occurred as part of their public notice process as we own two parcels of land which but the landfill one of them does and so we received that notification. Okay. It's real primary real estate. Very slow. Typically we should have received a referral on it as the Wildcat Ranch joins it on the West and southerly portions of the landfill site. But to answer your question specifically, we have no jurisdiction. We're just given notice because we're neighbors. We're adjacent landowner. Typically, if there's something that affects the village interaction with the county, out of courtesy, they'll give us a referral, which we do to them, you know, on things that will affect, like we refer to, picking county open space and trails on a Nordic trail is, you know, there's property that's being developed and there could be a trail. So it's not hard and fast, but in terms of specific jurisdiction. No. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Was this due to, you said that we own properties. The town of Snowmass Village actually has title to correct because I knew the city limits went down there yeah two parcels they donated employee housing parcels when wildcat was at least and it's probably something that we do want to look at you know the next little wild to get an idea because I know exactly where it is it's like I don't think we're going to do it with that one but not an easy piece of land to do something with so but I think we're going to do anything with that one, but not an easy piece of land to do. Something with it. So, but I think we should be going to be aware of what it is that we have and let's, you know, do that exercise at some point. It is something also that is in the fire districts boundaries. So the fire department has been, you know, sort of looking at a little bit and John Bill is on a little bit of vacation. That's family matters right now. Just, just, just, just, the parcels that the town owns are those within the town boundary or those in County? Is it within the boundary? Yeah, the northern extreme of our limits. It's a top floor and a one on the map. Yeah, right next to the landfill. Yeah, right above the Aspen Village. All right, property. I was gonna say dump but I said there. Very good. Anything else? I just want to acknowledge the matrix, particularly toward the remembered Jason's probably very familiar with this. One of those actions that's ongoing is the Urban Renewal Authority. And the council has directed staff to move forward with that. The next step, and there's two parts, and this is a complicated process, so I'd encourage if you want to sit down and talk through that process, it's complicated, convoluted, but it's fundamentally two steps, one creating authority, and the second is creating a plan that gives that authority specific powers. And right now we're looking at taking that first step in terms of the creation of the authority. This has been something where it has not been unanimous on council in terms of moving forward. Could be something from a practical standpoint that we could be prepared to put in front of you in December. However, we could also hold off until you have this retreat to see if it is the desire of this council to move forward with it. So I just want to acknowledge that to you that this next step is relatively easy to take, but you may want to have a little bit more deliberation and discussion as a group in terms of whether you want to take it because it has, it does have implications with other taxing jurisdictions, every other taxing authority becomes very interested in this type of a process and project. So if you do create an authority, it does immediately generate questions. And there's a fundamental question that we have knowledge we need to do but have not yet done is really identify what a purpose is, clear purpose for creating this authority. And part of my hopes was that we would have that discussion during the retreat sometimes that aside for that to have full council seated talking about it and you have the new members a little bit of opportunity to ask some questions before we get to that point to make a decision. It is in your new packet information. All of the backup materials that we've had for every council meeting is in the white binder. It's great. So I just wanted to ask if would you like to wait until this retreat before having that item? Yes. There's no time since this is. Okay. Great. What will be ready at a December meeting to talk about? I mean, would there be new information beyond what we're doing? The next step, I mean, we could also have a work session and a regular meeting, which would be very similar to previous work sessions the council's had. The next step though, a resolution would come in front of the council basically determining whether or not you want to create the authority. A petition has to come with that signed by 25 residents or voters within the community. So it's basically the next step would be an action of the council to create the authority, but it could also be a discussion as well. So we would pass a resolution and who collects the 25 signatures? You know, it could be something. I got to, I need to double check on that, whether it's appropriate for staff to go out and collect that. In a previous situation, we had an independent body go out and collect the signatures and that at least felt cleaner But I'd want to consult with John and the attorney that's worked on this in terms of how to appropriately do it We haven't engaged them yet. We're not yet spending money on this next step either Well, I guess that's part of the discussion we need to have is you know whether we do it at a work session outside of the Retreat so that we start the meeting a little bit earlier, whatever, and have some proactive discussion about what has happened at this date, what counsel's feeling has been, what timelines and costs are involved. If it's next step, we're talking some more you know significant dollars I believe yeah I mean isn't this an appropriate topic for the retreat because it is it's either a goal we want to achieve or a goal we don't want to achieve John Dresser I didn't get to say what I wanted to say we kind of went into the landfill quicker than I wanted but you know what we really hear in front of you today was to get a date so that people could get firm on that date for the retreat. I think there's going to be discussion in the meetings that take place before that is exactly what you want. Fred it was a little scared when you started your statement but when you said when it's in the realm of goals and that's what you would discuss at the retreat. I think it's appropriate for you to discuss those goals and find out, you know, are your goals aligned or are your goals disparate and then go forward with this discussion because it could be premature to do it before you understand what not only your individual goals as council people but what your goals are for the council as a whole and for the town. And to have that discussion in the retreat, I mean, let's face it, our next meeting is going to be December, and then it's going to be the holidays, and we know how constraints on time happen during that period of time. And to take this up, not immediately, but shortly afterwards, makes sense. But what I'm really trying to say is that you've got two more meaning, really three more meanings to develop what your agenda and what you want to discuss at that retreat. And it seems to me that your goals in this area are is something that you would like to discuss at that retreat and follow up later. Now that may not line up with everyone's thinking here now. You know, Jason may want to see it sooner. Billy may want to see it, not sooner. Um, never. So how do you stand on this issue, Bill? We know that. But I think, I think to have that discussion of what the goals are of each individual member and the goals for the Council as a whole are going to make that discussion a lot more efficient and economical in terms of where we go in terms of spending money and there's no time pressure on this I mean. No, no. No. The time pressure I believe was August of next summer that was kind of what we were targeting is for implementation of that one phase and so to keep the momentum going I agreed to go to the next step which was well only to give the new council a chance to have to weigh in on it. I have not been a fan of the urban renewal authority I'm not convinced it's appropriate for our community, but I'm willing to have that discussion and vetted out so the rest of you can weigh in on it. Fair enough. And to John's point, again, the missing element that we have not yet really had from Council is the purpose. Why would you do this? And it could interrelate back to other goals you might discuss or not. So really getting and answering the question of is there a purpose behind this and what is that purpose is a fundamental question, but it very well could relate to some of the other goals you may or may not have. Okay. And as we go through the past reports and things like that will we find reading on what the goal might be. You that will we find reading on what the full industry and purposes might be. Well, you'll see what it does, what the functions of it are, and then there's other options, different communities have implemented it for different reasons. But you'll see here the powers that go with it, and you'll be able to determine, you know, is there a connection or not? To where can you? You could have different goals of what areas you want to apply those powers to. There's a geographic discussion in this. So there's...it takes a real strong...a divided council and this thing's going to be a quagmire tonight. If you're all in line with your goals and where you want to apply these powers, it can be a very strong tool to affect whatever renewal the village needs. But you do take some political, I won't say heat, but you'll have questions from the other taxing jurisdictions about why you're doing this. And we'll get into that later. We'll be through. So, OK? I will kind of getting a sense. I'll hold off on spending additional dollars on this, too. Yes. Yes. OK. Thank you. That was the basic question. And the other other things I had were mundane announcements. We're closed for Thanksgiving and planning on being closed Friday. So I'll be closed Thursday and Friday. Generally we've been open with one person on Friday and this year it's like we've been closed last year we were closed Thursday and Friday. We would both say it's okay. Anything else for the manager? Moving on to John Wilkinson. A quick question. It wells actually on our next agenda. Moving on item 10, agenda for the next council meeting. A couple changes. There was first additions to this. Well, any updates on the drosty? Yes, that's been something we've been curious about and if the county has a update well don't we have to vote you do yeah I'm a 13 whether to certify the the mill of the following Monday so the following one will give us the certified reassessment until the 10th and And we have to certify the meal of your back to them by the 15th. So we have a special meeting on Monday the 13th. Well, do we have to find out something about the Josti property? I mean, this shouldn't be a secret, anyway. I would say, John, why don't you tell us a little bit if you can, what's going to potentially have to happen up to that 13th date? Well, the voters have voted to tax themselves to the way I understand it although it's not in writing. There is not a pledge agreement with the county that the town would pledge those tax dollars towards the Pitkin County open space in trails program and one of their, I specifically the item of the acquisition of Drosti. These millis have to be set once a year, the 13th of December. So we have to know from the county that the deal is going at that point or not. If the deal is not going from what I understand and they have it settled on something, after the 13 we have you know we have to say basically I'm telling the county we're out but that's your decision well now and you don't still certify well go ahead you don't you don't have to say because there's no deal we're not gonna collect these tax dollars don't have to but I think that's in my personal discussion that's what we've been telling people I think that's in my personal discussion. That's what we've been telling people. I think that's the representation that's been made to the electorate and that's a decision you'll have to make. The county may have a presentation that says you know these are details and we can get back to a contract. And I've been telling the county that we have to have that information by the 13th of the let our community. Well, but the electorates also been told that there's a contract and turns out that that's not true. And they've been told that they've been working on that. I don't think anyone said there was a contract. No, I mean, with three phases. I mean, I herjects presentation. So there's three phases. We need this much money, phase one, this much two. You know, it was made to I certainly thought there was a contract. Well, I think the letter that was sent by Dale Will on behalf of Picking County Open Space and Trails referenced a contract and referenced that it had been signed by The brothers drosty on behalf of the respective trusts, etc and that It refers to our contract and the contract. There's no sentence in there that says the county signed the contract we haven't seen the contract I agree with you that it was represented in this chamber that there was a contract and then shortly before the election that's right that there was a may a couple by a county commissioner saying that there were due diligence problems with the contract and that they had not met a deadline and there was a letter from the county that said we are not in contract so at this point I don't believe I know of any evidence that they are in contract but I do believe that they represented there was and that because the due diligence issues they went out of contract and that was disclosed here in this chamber At the last meeting in October the last meeting before the election Let me understand if let us assume they don't have a contract Is is it are we still entitled to certify that millebi and use the money for something else? No, not why would why would we certify the millebi if use the money for something else? No, not the millebi. Well then why would we certify the millebi? If there's, if indeed there's no contract. Well, otherwise the voter authorization goes away if you don't certify the millebi. So if you don't begin collecting the tax, the future year you can't then start collecting it again. You have to certify it in 2000 for 2011. But what if the deal doesn't go through? That we're collecting money improperly? Well, no. You'd be collecting the money. There's no agreement to pay it to the county. So in other words, it could be a refund to the voters if there was never a contribution made. That's a very ugly scenario. It comes really down to a pragmat. I think what the council has represented is that if a contract, I think Billy summarized it very well. There wasn't a contract in place. We wouldn't certify the mill levy in thereby collected. Oh, I think that's, but remember, I talk in the legalities, not the political side of it. The real side of it. But the practical matter, if the deal doesn't go through and we start collecting the money, we've got to send it back to the taxpayers. Well, that's, it's a single purpose. Yeah. Okay. I know. If you decide to not send it to the county for the drossy purpose, it has to go back to the county. Okay. Okay. Thank you. So I'm sorry. Did you say we will be having the county come talk to us or make some representation about where they are on the map? Whether they have a contract or not and we can certainly invite them if you'd like. Well, I'm sure they'll be at that special meeting, you know, saying it's there or it's not at that point, you know, because I've let George know and I've let Jack know is it guys You gotta get this thing done otherwise. I believe snow masses funds are no longer In play. Yeah, I talked to Dale will the day after you express that they were willing to partner with them on that but the deadline for us is the Authorization of the mill levy and if not then our participation is out. Okay. Remember to put that date in your calendar though. 13th December 13th. Okay. Avalds? We had December 6th because there's a couple of number of changes in that. December 6th, agenda. A couple of things, we'd be prepared. John, you asked for a discussion on for sale, deed restricted housing enforcement. And we could be prepared on the 6th to do that. Also, core, as it relates to REAP, has, Jason, you probably know a lot more about it than I do. But core is receiving a significant grant that could help in the educational process, whether it's REOP or other energy efficiency actions one could take with a property. And adhering, and I think it would be valuable for you to understand that educational opportunity and that chunk of money before you made a decision on REAP and again for our new members that's been one where the council has been somewhat split in terms of we have a very you know I think we have a leadership stand now as it relates to REAP there's been a lot of feedback from particularly the lodging community as it relates to this issue we've considered a couple of times that we haven't gotten to a vote or a consensus on it. So I just thought it'd be valuable for you to hear this component from CORE before taking action on a vote or a change to that piece of legislation. That'd be an item in front of the ... would you postpone for a trading if they wanted to air from Colt? Well, that would be others. You know, at this point, you know, the construction season is, well, I shouldn't say the timbers may still be looking for a CO at this point. So I won't say there is an interest from the logic community anymore, but I really would like you to get this educational piece from core That'd be my recommendation Before voting on it. So probably let's look at taking that item for possibly and Moving that to Mr. Kittle wouldn't be terribly upset with it replacing it with a core presentation Yes It would be if we could get some clear direction from council about what the consensus is that would probably help you guys It would be helpful to draft because a draft is desired. Well, it's a new verse. Fred. I just would you say, course got an education, a new education element. Why would, why would that bear on, whether we should revise the re-op fees or not? One of the things we haven't done with this policy is implement a significant educational program with it. So to really illustrate what's the benefit of doing X, Y, and Z to your property? What's the return on investment? And as I understand, they got a very significant, I thought it was seven figure grant to help communities with this purpose and just seem significant enough that you should at least be aware of it before you make a decision on a policy change or it might provide clarity in terms of what policy change you would like to make. Jason? I guess yeah, CORE did receive a $4.9 million dollar DOE grant recently and one of the things that that enables the organization to do is put a couple of resources into the community throughout PIC in County that would essentially be an energy coach that could meet and provide information to the council to educate us but also for independent property owners to understand what the implications of certain energy improvements are to their properties. And so when you look at how that bears on this policy, I think a lot of the opposition to this has come in the form of opposition to some of the financial impacts on the front end relative to the option of either mitigating with onsite renewables for a particular amount of energy consumption versus paying a fee and low, which is essentially the options that are put forward by this ordinance. So I think the idea of building an education component around this ordinance would be helpful to the community and to us just to understand you know what the real implications of those you know burdens if you will are on particular property owners and what you may find in terms of long-term application is that there might be actually cost benefits to those properties over time, given life cycles of particular pieces of equipment or upgrades to their buildings. And so, to the degree that the initial reaction has been very negative and, hey, this is an undue burden on my property, with further education, you might be able to help property owners and the community understand the long-term benefits of this type of approach. And that 4.9 Jason wasn't that over a three county? That's wasn't just Pitch and County's, that's correct. That's core was the one of the primary agent nonprofits working among others with Eagle County, Picking County, and Gunnison County. And so that award is a tri-county award that allows these similar types of resources to be put into those counties as well. Okay. And I guess one question I would just have in terms of bringing the reappordinates forward at the December 6th is, you know, based on the prior meetings that have, where this has been presented and the conversations have gone on around that. I'm just wondering how far the conversation has moved forward since the last meeting and whether there would be really anything new to- I don't know if there'd be anything new. That's why I mean if possible, I'd like to bump it one more time. What we were asked specifically to do is come up with a number of examples But take a commercial example of residential and do the math behind it and Mark it'll do that. So you're hoping to move that on to the December 13th or later? The next one. No, not the special one, but the next one, but the next one. No, not the next one, but the next one. The next regular. Right. The next one would be the follow-up from today with the discussion we had on the bones. We've got to figure out how we want to call this. I say, John. I just wanted to caution you. I mean, the enthusiasm is great, but the balls really in the water and sanitation districts' hands. And if they want a form of task force, there's been a great outpouring of resources and enthusiasm by both this council, the part-time residence advisory board and residents of the community. But it's really there. There in the driver's seat. There in the driver's seat. I care. So they do not want to, I mean, they want to manage the project, they want to deal with the reservoir. I think they want to voice in what happens, but they do not want to lead the charge in terms of how do you communicate the story in the community? Do they want the council to do it? In other words, I guess what I'm saying. I think it's part of the discussion that we all have the county and the Water and Sand board. You know, see what the next generation of this is going to be. Because I think that's a question that needs to come out to say who should be driving this, you know. Well, we're already expending time, effort, and money and into it is, and I would assume that we're going to keep this rolling. John, that's us showing how not only the government community, but the residential community and the second home want and the part-time residents community showing ready, willing, and able to assist them. And you notice after they made their presentation, there wasn't a whole lot of feedback from them about how they're gonna handle this. And once that clear signal's given from them, you know, I mean, I don't know, I mean, they may say, you know, we want the county, we want it, we want the part time residents, we want everybody we can get at this task I mean they may say you know we want the county we want it. We want the part-time residents we want everybody we can get at this tax for they may say otherwise. Who's the they? The Water and Sandboard owns the property. Right on the property. It's their own property. Well should we should we make some I mean we can push this off and put it back and put it back but I'm not suggesting that. I'm just I'm just cautioning you that they're in the driver's seat. Well, do somebody need to talk to them then? We've chatted. The talk. John brings up good point, though. I mean, and we've gotten a lot of inquiries why is the town done this, why have we done that? They have been in the driver's seat. What they've communicated to us, and maybe they should do it in more of a public forum and I'm sure they'd be happy to be here but what they've communicated to us is that here's the hand, we wanna deal with the reservoir, we want some voice but we don't wanna leave the charge of whatever this next step is. That's really not their role. Okay, so Colleen, do you wanna? Yeah, Colleen. I think John Rayson's a valid, but I think the legality of who owns the bones and the property is one small part of this. Snowmass Village does not need to own the bones or the property to construct a science education center. The momentum is here, the interest is here. Snowmass Village can form a task force to look at what opportunities snowmast can play or can take a part of. And then down the road or as time goes on, the legality of where the bones are going to go, where the replica of the bones are going to go, comes into this. But that does not need to hold us back in looking at what opportunities the town has. And even constructing a science education center, kids would still be interested in coming close to the bones and learning from a scientist that the town would bring in. So I think that, yes, it is a very important part, but it's not the only part. And two, the other entities cannot support the dining and the hot beds that would be needed to bring people in. Snum as Village is the perfect. And I would argue the only beds that would be needed to bring people in. Snum as Village is the perfect and I would argue the only place that would really support that. And my conversations with the county have also been in that sort of direction. The county is sort of saying, you want you guys to be in the driver's seat, you know, but recognize there is some discussion that has to happen. So that's an important question. I mean, and again, I think we need to dedicate some time and finish that discussion. And I'm just about in time, back in, so I won't be here potentially for that meeting. But the way that it is presented as well, yes, you're a partner in this, yes, we recognize that. But SNOMAS still has these other opportunities to explore for their own community and the broader communities benefit as well. So that's not going to stop us from going forward even though we're very interested in working and partnering with you. Thank you. John Wilkinson and Jason. One of the goals coming out of that discussion on that meeting on December 6 is that I would like to have an option to form a subcommittee or a task force or something. That would be an option I would like to see come out. Either we do it or not out of it. So some suggested structure for that. Again, we've got the part time homeowners recommendation and I think there's some alignment around particularly getting individuals that have specific skills to contribute in this discussion. I'm thinking not necessarily the full blown board at that point. Right now. But just a committee to get this going. The point is our science foundation educational system that we can put together into my village that would have a great place for other things besides this, whether it be the observatory, maybe the planetarium, maybe also the search of stuff for an educational mindset for visitors and locals. But in my mind would be the broader board, broader commission idea. I can start off with that idea. I think, yeah, well that's one of the ideas, but I think what I'd like to come out of that meeting is something that we form a group of people just to get things rolling and then form a more permanent board of commission further on. I absolutely whoops are chase. Jason first and coldly and do you want to respond to John first? I think the transitional idea is very important to keep in mind that it would just be the precursor of anything else but also realizing I think others and maybe it was Fred who I mentioned it, that part of the transitional groups role could be to maintain and to promote the openness of what is going on and seeking the input of everyone, and rather than having it going to 50 different people, and Billy is not knowing what Russ might have been told. That could be one of the functions of this group is to bring it all together in an organized cohesive manner and then bring it back to you that way. Jason, Russ, and then, you know, my question to Colleen would be in the three weeks between now and our next meeting, the concept that you lay out and under the structure of the Snowach Community Foundation. Do you anticipate moving forward with some of this and trying to bring some of these parties together in the interim or do you anticipate waiting until we take a formal action on that possibly at our next meeting? Frankly, I would say my position would be, don't waste time. And if you have momentum and you have people that are interested in putting some time and effort into this, I think you have the ability, maybe to start getting a group together that brings all those different interests and partner collaborators involved to the table. And then at our next meeting you know it'd be great to hear back where you've gotten in that time if that's what you're intending I I'd like to I appreciate that and I think that's important to hear we are very much interested in working you know with because especially P. Tribe as an advisory board to the town council so working together as well but yeah there's something we could certainly do. We've already started initial talks and I know staff and Council members that we've talked to have been extremely supportive and have you know started thinking and engaging in dialogue that has brought us you know, I think to this day as well. So I think we could go either way, but I definitely would not want to proceed without some positive feedback from town council and staff as well. Speaking as one councilman, I could assure you that if you can come back here in two weeks with an entity formed, a structure and a game plan and report to us, at least this consummate, you will have a receptive ear. Okay. Russ, one of the things that you know how it's at tonight, should we try to find a email depository for like bonesuptusb.com that you know there's the ability to do that, there's the ability to have a blog on the topic where the public can add thoughts and then read what those thoughts are. You know, I don't wanna do anything that's redundant though. And Colleen and I chatted in this idea of being able to piggyback on the community fund. That's a very intriguing idea and it's kind of a very near term. being able to piggyback on the community fund. That's a very intriguing idea and it's kind of a very near term, I think need to see if that group is willing to be a fundraiser conduit in a place, that's something that we could flesh out within the next couple of weeks because I think that would be good to me. I don't want to do something redundant because I think what staff would be doing would certainly be communicating with Colleen but you know what we would be doing is providing a structure now and looking at and chatting with Colleen I don't know if that's terribly different. Our thoughts would be terribly different than hers. Right. But one thing I would, just from a time standpoint, is there's some very short-term things that some were already doing, you know, just like to have some acknowledgement. Those are okay to move forward with. And again, we're putting together this group task force, whatever we want to call it. Here's the mission. Here's what they're going to do. I think it is important to have a blessing and a sanction that this is the group that's working on it in snowmass village. So again, we're willing to reach out and work with clean on her thoughts, but I just want to make sure we're not doing something redundant. I think that's very important in terms of potential funders as well because they want to see that they're contributing to something that the town and the community are going to support and not have individuals coming to them as well as later on the town. So coming together as a cohesive body I think is going to be important. I heard anecdotally that at the event on Saturday people were wanting to know who they can make the checks out too already. We could have that set up as soon as we... I also heard if somebody wanted to go into the T-shirt business, the guys and ladies there were getting 100 bucks offers for the T-shirts off their back. Okay, John Dressford, do you have anything you want? I just wanted to offer it as a caution to you to not get ahead of the museum and the water district. I didn't want the enthusiasm, but what Colleen and Russ are talking about here is almost in fact a demonstration to the people that can make that decision. They're in the driver's seat now. They've indicated they want a relinquishing, but how they relinquishing is what we're talking about now and showing them that we have the structure and the stability that she's at clean's talking about is very important. Now when are they going to make that decision? I think they're going to turn to their partner, the museum, for a lot of advice. And the more we can offer, the better it becomes. But I just wanted to caution, because I went out of the hall and talked to some of the directors and knowing them the way I do, I could see the looks on their faces here that maybe we were just a little bit ahead of the cart. And so I wanted to just caution that since it came back up, I tossed it out. Thank you. Well, could that be part of our discussion in that same meeting then? It comes to some resolution or at least have that discussion with Water and Sandboard. I think, yeah, I think that you want to invite them. I mean, they're a major partner in this and kind of the lead partner at this point. So I think you need to hear their voice too. Yeah, we need to resolve that. And Colleen is indicated, yeah, we're sure we could go forward without worrying about the ownership of the bones or whatever, but we have to make sure that we're all working together and we don't want to be carton-fronted the horse. And they weren't quite prepared for that discussion tonight. Right. They were here to give an update and it became broader than what they have. And I can tell you just from personal experience being on a trip with a board member and being around some of these board members is that you've got to remember, these are people that meet shortly every month and every couple of months to do water district and they've been on the phone they've been having meetings I mean literally one of our trip members had to go off and do a two-hour board meeting in the middle of his vacation on the phone and the people you can you know I mean they're getting these new discoveries and they're going oh God not another one I mean literally that's what they're doing and so in one month the activity that is now going to slow down because they close it up, they're ready to start focusing on these ideas of structure and task force and how do we go for it. But they weren't ready tonight. And I can tell by the looks on their faces it was like, wow, you know, it's great. Susan's got all these ideas, but we're not there yet. But Colleen is very is absolutely on point in that you can't daily, or you're gonna be behind the eight ball. So it's it's a balance and they need to understand that we're willing, ready, able, and once we show that stability and structure, I got a funny feeling that they're going to be like, that's the bar. Please, and at that point, what Russ and Clean are talking about in the next three weeks before your next meeting are, are sussing out some transitional structure that will lead to a permanent structure. And I just don't want you to get ahead of the water and sand board because understand that they are an elected board as well. They're elected by the electors. And that is in the district, even though it's in the county and not in the town. That's in the jurisdiction. Yeah. So I just like to get all that stuff out to you. Jason. I was just going to ask again that stuff out to you Jason. I was just gonna ask again Colleen in this interim time. Obviously if you are forming an independent nonprofit organization as you kind of alluded to earlier. What do you anticipate? I mean in terms of first steps over the next few weeks, would you be bringing all those key participants together to get involved in kind of structuring a proposal or How do you see that? I think building consensus is going to be one of the top priorities I don't think that as an independent group that doing that without the towns that as an independent group that doing that without the towns, okay, I can't think of the other way. My mind is just blanking on the other word, but I think the town needs to back that part of it, the building of the consensus part of it. I don't think it's about the independent people we can go and build the consensus with other governmental entities. But that being said, I think building consensus is crucial. Even having the conversations, I'm a little skeptical because that may be something that's better done from a town sanctioned, even a town sanctioned advisory or transitional type group. But I do think that one of the key points I was trying to make tonight and why I kind of talked about my experiences is that you are hearing from a lot of, I hesitate to use the term disparate because they're not incongruous incongruous. But they're very specialized area. The water and sanitation boards are very specialized. The Denver Science Museum is very specialized as well. But looking at this from a more holistic perspective you know bringing everybody and all of the ideas together and having kind of a overarching view of it I think is going to be very critical. Can we invite the county commissioners that would like to be here for a little discussion about this in the next meeting so we can sort of hear from them a little bit maybe just a few well, I think they'd be a stakeholder, right? Well, I think there are and I think we need to personal I would believe we need to have somebody in the meeting Not the whole board just a couple of them say hey, this is what we're thinking and this is what we're thinking Yeah, that's that's going the direction we're all talking about can I try and summarize so sure? So again, it sounds like there's agreement in terms of thinking about a structure that's a transitional structure. One of the functions of that task force group may be to recommend something that has permanence long term. Also at the same time you know inviting the water district, use them if they're available I don't know if they would be up along with the county commissioners and others from the community to look at what might be a draft structure and kind of kick that around as a point of departure. That's what's pretty good starting point. When you say structure, are you talking about the structure for lack of a better term at the task force? I'm thinking of the permanent. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, I'm just kind of one step at a time. What I'm hearing is that's one of the functions of this transitional group and that's what I heard from you too, Colleen, was that they may think about what a more permanent structure could look like in the future. And that way, Warren saying can do their stuff and we can have a little more conversation at staff level. You guys can talk a little more. And I, and although I can't recommend what the town obviously says, but I think that conveying to the other stakeholders that were certainly not interested in encroaching on their interests, we want to have them as partners. But that being said, we also see the opportunity for something even broader, whether it involves the bones or not. This has gotten us thinking about a science education center. It doesn't mean we want the bones from them. It may work to partner with them, but this is something that, you know, snowmess can convey to them so that they're not feeling like we're threatening or going beyond, you know, the scope at this point. That's why I think when we talk to, and this is us or me talking to the water district into the museum, having clarity about the roles. Yes, yes. And again, the scientists, they're happy to tell the natural history of the story, anyone that wants to listen, but it's really, and this is what I've heard from the district, really looking towards the community, which could or could not be a town or a separate body, but looking to the community in terms of how do you tell, how do we communicate that story? The story's gonna come from science, but how do we communicate that, but that's gonna require funding, it's we're gonna require organization to do it at the end of the day. So we'll tee this up. What other mundane thing for your agenda if we're done with this? Yes. Sorry. That's OK. I just did one thing that you and I had talked about because I've talked a little bit kind of vaguely. But one very specific thing to bring up is that when I opened the electronic edition of the Snomes Sun last week, I saw two full page ads from the Denver Museum. And that is, I can't say enough good about that. But if you're not in a position having worked with fundraisers, you may not consider that having seen that potential funders, may see that as the Denver Museum is there already with all of their money and all of their grant-making possibilities. So I as a potential funder don't have a role in this and that becomes my reality. I see it as already set. So even something that I would say small but it's just very specific has a very long lasting and potentially missed opportunities that you don't consider if you're not thinking about this from a holistic perspective as well. You're right, Colleen, because I've had a few people say, well, you know, the Denver Museum's going to come and give a million dollars to this and I was going, no. And that's not the perspective. And the volunteers can help. They're looking for a million dollars. They're looking for a million dollars. They can take a package. Yes. They're looking for a million. They need some help in funding their stuff, what they're doing. So there is no make sure that people understand. The Denver Museum doesn't have this big pot of gold award that they're giving out to people who find the stuff. But they are a tech supported district that was voted on in the three county area in Denver. And at the same time that might have positive grant. Oh yeah. It has both. Yes. Having that from, partially there would be a strong position. For example, their fiscal responsibility and having them even as a partner in this shows, for example, the NSF that we have somebody who's already done this. And that has great positive impacts as well. It's just understanding this from a holistic point of view. Thank you, Colleen. Thank you. Couple of just mundane things. Want to do a quick little financial update. It's not a comprehensive update, but we've committed to the council to give you kind of what a monthly or potentially a quarterly financial update would look like. This is something Mark E has been passionate about. Again, timing for meetings is now set at four o'clock. Packets will- So that agenda is wrong then. Again, timing for meetings is now set at 4 o'clock. Packets will- So that agenda is wrong then. You got it at 5. Great. Okay. Good question. We will continue to schedule at 4. And also the packets themselves. We've had a little bit of flexibility with the council. We've pushed back when you get the packet, so you're getting it newly a week ahead of time. We'd love to still have the flexibility. Sometimes that's on Monday, sometimes it's on Tuesday, in terms of when you get that packet, but it's been great to have that flexibility between those two days. Yeah, make that happen. In your getting it, or this council's getting it a lot earlier than previous council did. Well, in also there is and the agendas aren't it quite what they were when we asked for the agendas to be moved up. That's true. We don't have a lot of stuff in there, but I would want them no later than Wednesday. Well, that's why the staff could work Monday, Tuesday. That's great to do that. So that we have a Tuesday. Our official deadline is 5 o'clock Friday for all of our stuff to be ready for production Monday morning. Right. Sometimes things arise that if you can have Monday to finish something and they can produce it on Tuesday, it makes your world easier as well as ours because that information is conveyed. Yeah, public, it's not. That's good. Anything else? Nope. Moving on to the meeting for the special meeting, the 13th. It's just the property tax discussion. That's the only thing. It might also be a, although we'd love to do this on a different day, there's also a need for the GID to do the exact same thing. Okay. I'm going to come here and district this. exact same thing. Okay. Okay, let's get away with this kind of referring to the things that I have suggested many times that the GID not meet when it's a console meeting You need on a different day at a different time so that you're not thinking as Oh, I'm going to my council meeting. Oh, it's GID first, but But in this case, we don't have- This case, I just said- People have another option, really. We don't have- We don't have a very big waiting time. Thank you, John. Okay. Anything else? Then in that case, council comments, committee reports, calendars. Also with the change of personnel, or the council table, there is a change of responsibilities on other powers and committees. That's on the December 6th agenda. Okay. We've got a very full December 6th, I'll explain. Let me take a look at it. But that's also something that needs to get in front of me. And if everybody, please reply to my email. I'm not sure if I got one back from you, Billy, but you were gone, so that's fine. But I just need to know what all committees people currently sit on. I did get read. I did get John Wilkinson. Nobody else responded to me. Yeah, I didn't see one. Is that a you-round vacation? Yeah. Billy, you're on court. I'm on court, and and probably that to stay there You're also on raft is the alternate right right and so we'll do that on the six okay six John Good I have a question we had an inquiry today that grafted does not extend employee bus pass discounts to snowmass village businesses because there is not a chamber of commerce here. I had not heard that. There is a chamber of commerce here. Well, there isn't a due, people don't pay dues to a Chamber of Commerce. Right. Apparently, members of Acrogett's Council on their bus passes. Yeah, it's an Acro program. And so I don't know how that works, but I was going to ask you and you don't know either. I have no idea, but certainly if it's something we need to address at the raft level, I'm more happy to. We had an inquiry today A snowmass business Okay, anything else I have a couple things Okay, hold on round as such you ran out of tape So go quick John John. Go ahead. OK. We had an EU TC meeting and we was presented with a couple of options. One of them was to put up a mobile sign on Highway 82 coming up Valley. Kent Blackmer from Raffda wants to bring up the sign which will alert drivers coming up 82 that the lots and snowmess are full. Please park in the intercept lot and take Raffta bus from there. And we've discussed this in the past, the console level, but we've had a problem in the past with C-DOT proving any kind of a sign. Kent's worked it out that they can have a sign, he came to EOTC for funding. EOTC said go back to Raffta because you hadn't gotten the nod from Raffta at that point. So at our Raffta meeting last Thursday we had that presentation and Raffta agreed that that would be a good thing to fund. Kent said it's going to cost $7,000 for three months. They want to do a trial to see if it's going to work. Some of the concerns was with the visual impact of these signs that are lining the highway now that are portable, but they're permanent. You know, they're on wheels, but they become more permanent signs. And the EOTC had some issues with these signs that are not permanent. So anyway, the raft abor did approve a three month trial to rent the sign at $7,000. I believe Raft has contributed, has going to contribute $2,000 to it. EOTC without going to a meeting with them and find out exactly how much they're willing to contribute. But I was hoping the Snowmass Village could kick in some out of our transportation fund to help with that, because it dramatically affects how we serve the guests coming into snow mass village, especially on the weekends on the busy days. So I'd like to request some financial. What was the specific dollar amount? Was it under 2000? Yeah, you mentioned. Yeah. A $2,000 contribution from our transportation budget, which just passed a little levy on to help support the sign to see if it's going to be effective. Because what was happening on powder days, on busy days, on ski club days is that the parking lots would fill up and then it's nearly impossible to turn people around to send them back down to the intercept lot to catch a bus to come on up in the snowmast village. They were moving the vehicles up into the numbered lots in snowmast village as well as two creeks. And so we can capture some of those people coming up to say that the parking lots are full in snowmast police park at the intercept lot. It will take a lot of pressure off our parking situation. Also, John, was ski company, there was discussion in EOTC of the ski company chipping in? Yep, ski company is going to chip in as well. So I think your $2000 figure is probably good, unfortunately they probably doesn't want, he needs every dollar he has. We can probably figure that out, it's not budgeted. I just want to make sure that we see $2000. I'm not going to exceed $2000. Yeah. Could you just describe? Sorry, thanks. The full funding arrangement for $7,000, where are the different pieces would come from? Yeah. We don't have. We don't know. We don't have firm amounts. but Rhafta is going to, I believe, to grant. EOTC is uncommitted because they didn't, they passed it back to Rhafta. Ski company was going to pay half of it. So we may have enough money right there to make it, make it work for the winner without contribution from the three OTC. But understand that Snowmass Village taxpayers are already contributing to this via the funds that they pay that the EOTC administers. Correct. Okay, so, right? You understand what I'm saying there that part of what EOTC is committing will be borne by the snowmass taxpayer. We have no commitment from EOTC at this point. I understand. But EOTC, maybe the one should be funding this entirely. Or at least determining the level of their commitment first. If you say up to 5,000, they're going to say, OK, we'll contribute to that. And then the snowmass taxpayer pays for the 2000 and the 5,000 when it's the operation is a private business ski company that causes the parking lots to be overflowing. operationally we've talked about it would be desirable to have something on 82 whether it was events or for parking in the winter. So this is certainly desirable from the operational standpoint. And I'm just not saying not arguing that point at all. At the same time it is something that as the visitor coming from down the alley gets a snowmatch and gets frustrated by driving around for a half hour 45 minutes I think it's okay Rest spend an additional Fund John's probably suggesting to help them be less frustrated to get on this deal well since it's not a permanent Fix it's just a temporary fix to see if it works and And then with a better idea, we can look at, because it's all part of the BRT as well. You have to understand that the bus rapid transit program is moving forward, and this would be a part of it. So the costs to have a visually attractive sign, similar to the one on Moon Creek Road, as you go through the roundabout up to Highlands. That was kind of the comments that we were hearing from on the raft boards that we don't want a temporary sign-on wheels to be a permanent solution. And that was an issue of EOTC? Yeah, exactly. And so seeing if it works for the winner, then come back with a more permanent solution, having more solid funding sources, and we all go back to the EOTC. I'm just afraid if we waited for the next EOTC meeting that the winner's gone. That's my concern. I'd like to have the experience. So EOTC isn't going to contribute anything at this point. At the meeting, the Raffta Board members in the room said, you need to come first, Dr. Raffta, before you approach. So we now have Raffta committed, right? OK. Can you call a phone meeting or something and get a commitment out of them at this point? They are quarterly meetings, and it's one of those things. It's so hard. We put this last meeting off, how many times? Yeah, I think for right now it's probably okay. I just hear John Dresser's concern and we have other needs for those monies, but I think right now the winner is trying to get this in and get done and understand what the test does for us or not. So is there a motion to... I get a quick motion just because we don't have it budgeted. Move to contribute up to $2,000 towards the raft is a suggestion of a temporary sign on highway 82 as a test for the winter of 2010. 11. 10, 11. Where? It'll be over here for a few months. Is there a second? I'll second it. For the discussion. All of his in favor? One question. When will you get a commitment from the ski company? That would have to come before you signs the lease. As of right now, they only have 4,000 of 7,000. So ski company would have to come up with a difference. The sign would be controlled by RAPCA for this one. Yeah. And actually, you can change the messaging with the cell phone. So it would have come in handy during voting time. You know, vote for Fred or. Order in this last weekend. No, vote for Jason. No, vote for Fred or order in this last weekend. No, vote for Jason. We don't publish the phone number, I hope. Yeah. But I would never mind. Thank you. No, it would, I think have a real impact. With, with our police, be able to. No. Only wrapped up. But a raft that have them. dial in. We call rafta, they call. The change. And at this point, there's no opportunity to bring EOTC funding to the point. Not easily. But that's why we wanted to just as a temporary three month test because then a more permanent solution would be something to go back in front of EOTC. Okay. That's why I wanted it. Temporary nine permanent solution would be something to go back in front of the EOTC. Okay. Start while I wanted it. Temporary nine permanent solution. Move the question. All those in favor? So we're gonna say nine? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? And then, we'll go ahead. One last thing was Arnie brought up the stairs. I'm not so interested over the bus stop here. I'm not so interested in shutting down the snow mass center to make the landlord aware of what he's supposed to do, but I would like an update because it was supposed to be done by Thanksgiving. And Thanksgiving's another, yeah, the flyard today was supposed to be done in what tomorrow is? Well, I mean, just to be clear on the bigger projects, they never came in and went through the process of getting that entire wall approved. They discovered they did not have a green light from the insurance company. They backed off and quite frankly we've been waiting to hear exactly what they are or are not going to do. And there was some discussion about getting that bus shelter created. But quite frankly, I need to figure out what's approved, what's not approved. But last time I heard from them, they did not have funding approval to replace that wall. London? I just want to say, Jim, the office here was here earlier. I think clearly it was there. They presented to us that that was going to be done by Thanksgiving and I think it's up to us to make sure that does get done. I don't know what leverage we have. Well, we're in the wall following. There is a there is an approval for the snowmass center that required in the town was very specific about the design of the handicap access to the lower bus station. And I haven't seen it. I've talked to Chris Conrad about it, but that was one of his concerns on how the change was an amendment in effect that they wanted, stairs at both ends, one was by the picnic table, the other one was the one that wraps around and comes down. So it could be that there are no longer in compliance with their approval. So that leads to what is the enforcement, and I think that's those are the steps in the logic that Arnie kind of skipped from they haven't done it to here's a way out of do. So there is probably a basis to do what Arnie was talking about. And if that's what you're talking about, you probably need to do some more research and make sure that you do have the right to take that action. Well, facilitating update. Thank you. Okay, any else? Okay, this is the last thing to do. Is there a motion for the adjournment? Oh, move. Oh, wait a minute. I guess before we do that, we've got a hand up in the audience. She wants to have any call the question. Call the quick. She doesn't have any public comment on adjournment? She doesn't visit us very often. She wants an executive session. You know it's Ron Miss Berthe. I do know. And Happy Berthe, Rhonda, that's what I wanted to say. But the second thing I wanted to say, I like the world to know it's Ron Miss Berthe. I wondered why you guys are pushing back to four o'clock. I know all of us enjoy an earlier adjournment, however, I don't think it's best in the public interest to start it for. So if you do continue to start it for, then maybe you have the public comment you digress and something at five. If you knew council members, maybe, you know, I know you're a working guy, you're a retired guy, but maybe we want to get the public. Give them the opportunity to come and state their case or say hi. Thank you, Madeline. Okay? I'm not going to respond to that, but I should. You know, it's one of those things round of Madeline that I believe that the council has been being very much a reactionary to things instead of proactively discussing things. And I think that this council in the last couple of years has always allowed people to have a comment, not the right time, just to make a comment. So I don't see that as a big issue. I do see, though, one of the issues is that in our meetings, we have to keep staff here very late, and we pay through comp time and other things, and our efficiencies and our value for our staff. We'd be better suited if we could do some of those things while they're here instead of keeping them till 8 and trying to answer those things. So part of my job is running the agendas, trying to get staff stuff done up front. But I also believe the community has the ability to come talk to us. A lot more, I'm really watching the TV at some of the later time and then talk to us during the week. So, I think we're always open to let them talk pretty much any time that they would like to interrupt us. So, I'm not too worried about it. Thank you for bringing that up. Personally, I'd rather start the meetings at two in the afternoon. The old days we had work sessions to where we could really get stuff done and addressed about these educational things or if, hey, what should we do? Let's debate this. Let's talk about it. Not just be reactionary. I think proactively again. So Jason, is there any reason as a matter of protocol not to move the public non agenda agenda item deeper into the meeting approximately, you know, what we can anticipate around the five o'clock hour. You can't say time specific, but maybe as a second agenda item or third agenda item to move that item there. I think from my experience in the last number of years, it's always been that the public wants to say something. They don't necessarily want to wait till the end or the middle or something like that. Or do we get more than one? I mean have a public Nine agenda items in the middle of our meeting or you know something like that so there is an opportunity and you do a good job for has it ever been a problem? No, I Haven't seen as a problem. So I don't think it's a you know, I think I better keep it the way it is and let them come talk to us and make the call the time to say. There's demand for people to come in after five o'clock to make public non-agenda item comments. Okay. 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