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I'm going. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All right. I'd have to go ahead and call to order. I'd have to go ahead and call to order. I'd have to go ahead and call to order. Proofment District number one, Board of Directors. We'll call first, please. Boy now. Here. Welcome, sir. Here. Butler. First, second. Silver. Here. Okay. Here. Thank you. Item number two, is a resolution number three series of 2010. Consideration of a resolution-leaving general property taxes for the 2011 and to help defray the operating costs of the Snowmass Village General Improvement District number one, the TAN Snowmass Village for the 2011 budget year. We have Marian's name on this one. Move. This establishes the Mill Levy for the GID, the General Improvement District, per the boat that was taken in 2006. The Mill Levy is now established at six mills, and that generates around 267,000, which goes for paying the operating expenses for the GID budget, which mostly consists of the Skittles operations in the snow melt. Thank you, Buryan. Motion was made by Mr. Wilkinson to move it. Second by Mr. Fred down here of a discussion. Marianne, in our minutes, I had a nice little description of the GID board recap there for the two members, the two new members of the board. I know it's been asked in the past, but let's do it again. Is there anything we can do to of course he had to leave? Is there anything we can do to wait for Mr. Dresser? I think we could answer that question still. Basically the question is, what other funding mechanisms might there be to help defray costs that we're finding that we need to take care of? First, in some of the governing documents that created the GID, and it anticipates that if there was inadequate funds, and again, to maybe take a step back, the two primary functions of the GID are to fund the operation of the skittles in the lower snow melt road. And again, in the context of the GID, you are representing really the base village area. So again, your really the base village area. So again, your geographic focus sitting on this board is different. Your fiduciary responsibility is different and focused now on base village. As it relates to funding, the, as I was saying, the GID documents state that if there was inadequate funding, that the GID would reduce hours of the Skittles operation and then the snow melt road operation. And again, the debt service for this really has fluctuated and the changing year was 2009 where the mills were reduced. There's no debt service for the GID, the debt is all. The mill levy changed and it was 2007, 2008 and 2009 it was 20 mills and we were collecting enough to build up a reserve fund knowing that the mill would drop back down. We're allowed by the ballot to assess up to 10, but because of the intergovernmental agreements between us and the Metro District, because of the bonds, we agreed that we won't go higher than six mills, which keeps it at a cap of 49 and a half mills for both the Metro District and the GID. So to answer your question, can either reduce our costs. It is in theory possible to ask for an increase in the mill levy. The likelihood of that being approved would be very questionable. Okay. Again, being the new kid on the block is the concern that the reserve that you have built up is being drained? Yes. Yes. But that was the purpose of why we had 20 mils, those first three years, was to build it up to a level that could sustain this fund for how many years until the construction continued so that the assessed value grew. And when the assessed value grew, then when we dropped down to six mils, we would be sustainable. I was looking at some old financial information from 2006 when all of this was done. And the assess value right now is about half of what they thought it would be at this time. Because of the style of construction. Given the costs, how long will you anticipate the reserve lasting and at this rate does what this mill-levy produces cover the cost of whatever the GID is supposed to do? No, right now in total we generate about 268,000 in revenues and expenditures were about 340,000. I'm showing that depending on what happens with the assessed value in 2011 for collection of taxes in 2012, right now we're sustainable through 2015 and the Skittles. I have budgeted it at 150,000 through 2014, 2015. It's a little bit short, but the revenues that I had in my original budget are a little bit less than what I'm showing were generating. We're also, the Skate Company came back to us last year and reduced the per hour that they were charging us for the skittles. So that has helped immensely and I suspect that we'll be under the $150,000 that we've budgeted for 2010. And if that continues at a lower level than the 150, then by the time we get to 2015, we should be okay, but we're hoping again that construction continues and assess value grows even with the decreased and assessed value from the reassessment. One of the questions of my mind is, does the developer hold any responsibility to make up the difference from what was projected to be constructed by this time and what has not been constructed? No, it's written in a lot of some of the paperwork back then that we had all agreed in the GID border, the council sitting at that time, that if there wasn't enough funding for the expenditures then we would cut the operating hours of the skittles in order to balance the budget. That's our only real option that we have. We can't take the roadside. Well we can't ask for contributions. Right but we couldn't do something like you know say the town should be responsible for all the roads and put the road fund and on our other hat to be responsible for all the roads and put the road fund in our other hat to be responsible for that point portion. I think the snow melting would take priority in this fund over. Right. That's what you said. The snow melting takes priority first and then the other, but just so I wouldn't sure if that was even a discussion that could be had to say the town really should possibly Think about taking if they're road fun because the towns, you know responsible for roads and public safety The towns other side my hat You know, but at the same time you said that the base village isn't going to be a burden on the community Okay, the towns community. I think John saying that the town would do that with the electric. Okay. The town's electric. Because what you're saying is the town council has switched hats here and you're saying as a GID board member I'd like to see if the town would be willing to take on this obligation. Take on that obligation what it does to the road fund. Right. Has to be taken into consideration. That's right. The road fund is voted on by the electors of the town of Snowmass Village to take care of the roads and snowmass village zones. Not the operations and maintenance of what the GID is responsible for. So the town voters would have to vote to use their taxes to pay the GID obligations. And you can ask that question of the town council when you have their attention. Okay. We thought about hats in this time. Oh, it's always challenging. Any other questions at this point with this? Just the last Jason, go ahead. Sent, sorry, thanks. In section one of the resolution, they also levying in tax of .002. .002 mills. That's every year when we get our certification of values, they have listed on that certification and amount of property taxes that we should have collected in the previous year but we didn't get to collect because maybe somebody had an appeal on their property values and so we were short. So in the following year you are allowed by law to collect that amount and it's the same with the town as well. Very good. Okay. Any other questions, Fred? Those are, nope, John. Okay. There's no point. Well, there's no real point, but I think that, we need to make sure that we understand what the program of this is and how we get there. Because it has something like, you know, we all ask, at some time of time during the budgets, why is it? Jason, I just had one more question maybe, you know, the grade of that section of road through that we're talking about is no-melt thing. Is it? I don't know if I guess it's sort of, we can get you on the microphone. Hi. I can feel how always you. Before the time bomb. I'm going to guess it's somewhere between 8 and 10%. It might get up to around 11 or 12 just a little hump before the children's center. Yes. I have a little bit more shading there, and before base building. Oh, yeah. And that's the reason why we asked for it in the first place. Yeah. OK. Any other questions? Hearing none, all those in favor of resolution number three. Please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you very much. Item number three, discussion of the composition of the GID advisory board. In our packet, we do have the idea that we have some potential seats to fill from people from related have been vacated. As we've heard today in the news, the foreclosures have been put off till January 28th, was it? 26. 26 somewhere there, thank you. And so, you know, who knows how much longer they'll be continuing that process if they get put off again and again. We've got some options suggested by the staff that we need to either wait until the foreclosure is completed. A fill of Aconcies with some names submitted by the law or another one was to advertise or seek additional options. In this case, it says the ski company based village owners, et cetera, to fill the advisory board. What does council want to discuss? John Wilkinson. I'd like to ask you a graphical question. For those that we can put on that advisory board, is there any restriction to where they live? No, so it can be anyone, really? Our thought in chatting amongst the existing GID advisory board is you can certainly wait, and again, it's been a composition of six three Town staff and then three representing developer and Would you want to consider some additional representation maybe from a merchant of base village? Maybe a property owner of base village Or do you want to fill it with whomever is the developer at the end of the day? But it seemed it may have merit to have Maybe a little greater diversity of representation and again as you just said We're not going to know about the developer until the foreclosure is complete And even then was there's also no real time pressure You know this board typically will get together, will review the budget and then make a recommendation to this board on the GID budget. I've got Fred and Jason. When is the next time it would be necessary for the GID board to act on something? The advisory board? Yeah, the advisory board, sorry. Realistically, it would be during the budget, and so it would be probably next August or so. If they felt as though there should be some changes to the Skittles operations for the summer, they might meet then and discuss that, but I haven't heard of any changes for the summer operations yet. Well, I would think that if there's no need for the advisory board to be doing very much until next summer, in my mind, it would make sense to let the foreclosure go through, see who the owner is, presumably it'll be high-pitched, and then deal with that set of facts at that time. Thank you, Jason. I'm just wondering what the mechanism is that created the advisory board, and is there any specific language that talks about who's represented on that board? There is, it was created by the GID Service Plan, which was submitted to the Council for approval when they created this, and because you are the oversight, there's no restrictions, whereas like a board member of a metro district has to be an owner for the advisory board it's wide open. There isn't a mechanism and I think the reason it's before you now is that there has been resignations in mass because of the legal proceedings and the question before you is do you want to, you know, I mean, I think Fred's hit it right on. It's do you want to do this before the floor closure or do you want to wait and see what happens afterwards? I mean, you're not bound to put three people that are affiliated with the owner or developer. I don't want to call him developer because I haven't seen much development going on over there, but I'll go with owner Or do you want to encourage? We got a new iceman You may want to Encourage people that are making their livelihood up there. These be their tenants of the owner or they own property up there So it's just out there for you to think about now. In the past, because there weren't any real owners or tenants there, it was almost by default represented as a of the ownership. Okay. And it has completely turned over. It was in Troublesque company representatives, brush creek. I don't know what they call themselves. That part of the deal, they were the first three. No, and then it became BVO. And the related West Bank BVO representatives got on the advisory board and then some of them trickled out when they're interested, Peter and they were replaced. So John Wilkison. Yeah, I'm okay with waiting for a while to the foreclosure goes through but you had mentioned possibly having a Tenant of one of the commercial spaces in the base village. I think we should also consider a tenant up on the mall level Since the skittles is integral to The whole concept of making both the base village of mall work. But they're not part of the GID. Doesn't have to be. I asked that question earlier. You could have somebody from anywhere, including Madeleine, that I think volunteered. There we go. Well, if you agree that we're not going to make a decision, I would urge you to think that over very hard and in light of the discussions that you're going to have next Monday has a review process, a couple of land use process. When you hear that, you can put that into think about too until we get to the point where you want to make the decision. So at this point, council's favor is, it sounds like possibly as Fred spoke that we probably do not do anything at this point in time. That was council feel. Did you add e-board? The advisory board bringing something back probably after this case season if the foreclosure is. Yeah. Once the foreclosure goes through me. Start maybe advertising or talking about that point. Give it a little bit of chance after that. Sounds like we need to loop back to the GID board once the foreclosure is complete. Yes. Yeah, do that after. But before we have to start talking about summer operation. And John, quickly, if I'm wrong, but there's the option on the courthouse steps, but there's still a period of time that you have to wait or go through. There are additional steps to be taken before the winning bidder actually gets into title. He doesn't get that bidder doesn't get into title the day of the foreclosure sale. I'm not familiar with all the junior leans, etc., etc. in this foreclosure, but typically it's about eight days after the sale. So there's not a redemption period? No, Colorado did with it two years ago. The junior leans have a redemption period, but the owner is not. a reduction period, but the owner is not. So, okay. Thank you. So that's the direction to start that process later. Next thing we'll on our agenda is item four, which is approval of the GID meeting minutes for April 19, 2010. And the second set, I guess, number first, 2010. Point of order, how can we do it with just two sitting members that were on that at the time? I think you had to do that at your last meeting when you were looking at, or I think that is possible. The town council recently had to look at that in the context of only having two members there. I can wait for John to get back. But on this agenda, I mean on the April 19th, there were myself, John was in a marquee butler ward in attendance in Arnie. But well, we went through some changes. Sure, let's go through some changes. Sure, let's go through some discussions. I've changed. I've got a few. What? On page 7, fourth paragraph. The last sentence, and I didn't understand, said the reduction from 150,000 to 100,000, from 10 to 11, and 10 to 11. 10 to 11 what? Probably it was 2010 to 2011 maybe. Oh. That would be my guess. Are you on page seven of the... Yes. Fourth paragraph down. The next last sentence on... It is. So this should be 2010, 2000. OK. Then on page eight, it looks like paragraph two was repeated for paragraph three. For item three, you mean? Well, if you look at right above item three, the paragraph is replica. Mm-hmm. is a replica. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I don't know where you want it, which paragraph you want to delete. I thought one of them should be. Which one is the relief? It's the top one is not supposed to be there. It's supposed to be there. Yeah. Okay. I keep deleting the top one. Okay. And then another question I have is it shows that John Dresser was voting on this issue in his he you know he didn't he's not a voting member. Yeah, probably expressed his opinion, but didn't. And the same thing would be on page 9 under the vote. Actually, he's on almost every vote. He's somehow snuck on the floor after the GID board. That guy is not even on the advisory board. God, man, I guess it is. We have automated voting in here. And if the person who ever doesn't get checked marked right in the roll call, or go straight to the voting also. Okay. Thank you. Anything else with that? Move them one at a time. Yeah. We need to do them. Move to approve the minutes of April 19th, 2010 for the general improvement district. I'll second that. We promoted a vote on this. Yes, I just checked with the attorney. Okay, all in favor of the April 19th minutes. Please sign up with the changes, alterations as noted. Please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Are you opposed? I also have some typos that all pass on that we're non Okay, we'll be on to the Monday November 1st, 2010 minutes Motion by mr. Wilkinson second by mr. Boynow Which brings me to page 14 line 196. Voting I should be GID board member Bill Boynow. Yes. Thank you. I just have one on page 12 up in the first paragraph that says approved seven hundred and four thousand for the Skittles operation. I think that's supposed to be 74. Good catch. I wouldn't ever make it Mary-in. 89. Actually 90. Okay. With those alterations, any other comments? All those in favor of the GID minutes? For November 1st, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? And that is now we have item number five, which is an executive session with the GID, the General Improvement District Board. We'll now meet an executive session pursuant to CRS 34-6-4024 to discuss one item and to receive advice and counsel. Deturning positions relative to matters that may be subject to negotiations, developing strategy for negotiations, especially negotiators pursuant to CRS 24-6-4024E and conferences with an attorney for the purpose of receiving legal advice on specific legal questions pursuant to CRS 24-6-424-C. Is there a second to that motion? Second. It's seconded by Mr. Wokman, motion by myself. Discussion? All those in favor, please signify the saying aye. Aye. Those opposed? Let's take. Where is she? I think she's going to go to a conference room waiting for us. Oh. Maybe she stepped out. I think she may have just stepped out. Why don't we go into that? Why don't we go into for about how long John do you think? I'd have trouble guessing on this one, but I'll pay you ten times. Okay. you The order. The Stolmas Village Town Council special meeting for December 13, 2010. First item we have is roll call please, Rhonda. Here. Here. Butler. Here. Here. Thank you. Next item we have is public non-agenda items. Are there any public to speak to a non-agenda? Hearing none. We have moving on to Council updates. Item number three. Are there any Council updates? I have one. Mr. Cooker. I would like to remind people that the deadline for submitting applications to the, and I prefer to call it Tusk Force is, he's up June, December 16th. Correct, Russ? That's correct, and apparently we have some applications in, but we are anxious to get more. So anybody who is interested in serving in one of the designated capacities for the task force should get their application in promptly. Thank you. Anything else down that on the table? I just like perhaps an update on the building structure at the WALCAT fire district. on the building structure at the WELCAT Fire District? Okay, I was just wearing one of the hats that I guess I wear is the chairman of the fire protection district. The town council had gotten a letter from somebody regarding this and it was not signed. Generally when we get those that are not signed other than concerned citizen, they go right to the trash. So I think if anybody wants to make sure that these things get heard from in the future, please put your name down on piece of paper and let us know who you are so we can talk to you and go from there. I do understand the concern that brings up. What it sounds like I heard today from the fire department was that the fire departments, chief and fire marshal will be coming in talking with Chris apparently they said that they've been talking back in April about some of this stuff because they're the town remove the PUD. What do we do back in the about some of this stuff because they're the town, remove the PUD. What do we do back in the day? Why is it? I couldn't speak to the specifics. I just know that the structure wasn't approved and Chris Conrad did send a letter today. So yeah, they had a letter and so this morning we directed the chief and see what we need to do to correct this. It is something where we have some equipment down there that's been exposed to weather and the staff felt it was important to get it covered. Part of this letter was saying there were no building permits for design committee inputs. I heard from the Summars Design Committee Secretary this morning that she says they have no jurisdiction on that site. So it's one of those things when you sign a letter we can get back to you directly and say this is what's going on. It's not like it was a good old boys club as someone intimated but it is something that they will be coming and talking to the Planning Department and the Building Department about this. So, jump. I think in regards to the letter I agree with you Bill, but it brought to our attention the district erecting a building without thorough or complete review by our town planning department. I think it's really important that we went through a great deal of pain and agony over the chapel application and the school housing at that site to have one of the immediate neighbors in that area. Just go ahead and put up a building without the appropriate review since the wrong message to the people that have been asking us to make sure that people go through the process. And the other thing was that they said that they could take it down and ship it back to wherever if that was that would not be the problem the issue. Well I don't want to waste our district tax dollars either because you know we pay into that fund as well. But we did say that we do believe we want to make sure that district does follow the same guidelines as anybody else. That's just because they are a. So, you know, government and the under their own, they don't. We want to make sure they go through the process. So that's what they are going to be doing. Make sure. So, okay, thank you. But it is something I think it's good to bring up. But again, please let us know who you are. Because for the years I've been seeing these kind of things. They've generally been, unless you sign them, there's not much we can do with those things. It's hard to afford people do process when they're not able to confront their accusers, which is one of the elemental considerations of our Constitution. Thank you. I think it was pretty easy to determine that there was a structure there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So other than that, we'll move on any other things down here for council updates thank you John Jason this Thursday night is the town party with the staff party we're doing a BIO food and you know it's something that we have done the last couple years reducing the expenses and stuff and so hopefully it'll be a time for the employees to get together and enjoy a little bit of time with camaraderie ship Then on that we'll move on to public hearing Item 4 for 2011 Road mill heavy fun I would like to go ahead and open the public hearing at this time any comments from the public very none we'll make keep it open until we finish up with this item we have hunt and Marianne name on this item. We have Hunt and Marianne's name on this. Oh, you mean on the, I've put you were, you opened the public hearing, you're going to keep it open and there weren't any public comments. I figured where we done, huh? I don't know. Do you want to, uh, read us into this a little bit? Yeah, just briefly, the ordinance when it was passed, when the road family was passed in 1986, it called for a public hearing for the public to actually review that projects are anticipated in the following year. And that has to be done during the budget process. But the town goes through John Baker and I and actually Ed go through and grade all the roads each year, at least every two years. And these are the roads that are on this list that surface to be contemplated next year. But what really happens is, once the spring time comes around, we go out and review all the roads again. And so this list is likely to change. And we have in the budget that you all approve for the road fund, we have $513,000 anticipated for what we call our normal road fund projects. So it's over and above some of the other things that the road fund fund. So I just listed like I have in the past the potential overlay projects and crack seal patching and that sort of thing that could occur next summer. But I know the list of change after we review our road network in the spring. And then the additional 300 and... Yeah, what we have. 39,000. Yeah, we have what we had determined that with a lot of our old retaining walls, especially the railroad tie ones, they actually have exceeded the use of life. And so we have actually taken, we did three last year, the most important ones, the ones that could possibly fail. We did one right up in the village, which you can hardly see, but if it had failed, it would have made it difficult for people to enter the village. We did one on Deerbridge Lane, which is their most expensive one. And then we found a little minor failure on Alcreek Road. So since we had the Soil Nail Company here, we took care of that one because we didn't want that to fail during the winter. They have given assessments for the Lot 7 retaining wall, the two retaining walls and Lot 6 and a couple small areas, slide areas and ridge run and wood run but we haven't made any decisions about what retaining walls that we want to take care of but that's what the 339 is for. Questions? John Wolton's. Yes, so we have already approved these funds and we're within that budget. Oh yeah, the 513,000 matches of the budget, the variance. So this is more of an opportunity for the public to speak out on the project itself, not the dollars that are. Just so you know, just as a reminder, we up until two years ago, we always collected five mills so that we, you know, as far as with the road fund, so we could actually put some money away to take care of some important projects. Last year it dropped, I think on recommendation from the FAB to four mills and it's been kept at just a tad over four mills for this coming year. Probably something we ought to talk about when we get in, when we talk about capital projects which will happen probably in the first quarter of this year. Good. We should have that discussion again I think. Yeah. It was appropriate that you were able to save somebody and put it away for the saving bills scenarios instead of just being reactionary. Jason. With this being the opportunity for the public to speak on the project list, when this project list gets revised in the spring, if it does get revised in the spring. I will, I'd be happy to bring it back then. I'm just, is that typically what happens? Sometimes we have, sometimes we haven't, but I'm happy to do it. Yeah. Yeah, the important ones, like I think we actually brought back and outlined probably not the overlay projects last year, but the tie walls. Because that's the first time we actually got into the business of replacing tie walls. So yeah, be happy to do that in the spring. Because then it'll be a lot closer than what this listed. Right. Okay. Fred, anything for you? No sir. Okay. Any more, anybody wants to make any public comment? Otherwise, at this point, we will close the public hearing Let's go ahead and close the public hearing then We're going to move on to item number five The resolution number 48 series of 2010 Leving property taxes for the ten of snowmass village Marianne This resolution adapts the various mill levies for the town including the new mill levies for the transportation services and the drosty if you change the page 6 in your pass gate you'll see the total of the levies for 2011 7.4, 8.5 so it's down by about 1.72%. Okay. Any questions? The one down 30% the debt service? The debt service went down because of the payoff of the upper issue and the road bond issue. Oh, those, no. Those mills to help with the rep transportation. Okay. It was tax neutral and debt free. So, um, sounds good. I remember those words now that you speak them. One of the things that when I was reading this weekend, I think it's probably appropriate for us to start a discussion regarding property taxes and sales taxes, a relationship to having a sustainable community. We would depend on sales taxes collected by the resort community to date and maybe it's time to have the discussion about having the town's revenue stream become more dependent on the property taxes other than the sales taxes. Because we've been noticing our problems these last couple years because of a lack of sales taxes. And I know that people in the community want to have a good, sustainable operating system for us and we have to be very cautious of how we're spending our money. But I think we should foster that discussion sometime the next six months. How does council feel about that? I could see us becoming less dependent upon sales tax for infrastructure costs that will continue for the community, but to shift a great amount of the tax burden to property tax. I don't think I would be supportive of that. Well, that's part of that discussion, I think, is, you know, what is that change? Those pretzels are tough. And we should, you know, have that discussion because I think that's one of the things we noticed in this last year. And in that conversation, I've had a number of people say to me, hey, I can afford to spend a little more, I mean, I didn't say they want to spend a lot more or any more, but some people have said, it's probably appropriate for me to spend a little more of my property taxes towards this. You know, property taxes percentage of that does come off your federal taxes. I think those are the kind of things you know that people are thinking about. So I think it's probably appropriate for us to, you know, go through the community and have that discussion. Fred? I agree, Bill. I think it is appropriate. And I think I'd like to get some sense, Mary Ann, of what the sales tax revenues look like. You know, just last week we approved a bonus because a certain amount of taxes came in that we hadn't budgeted for, and we've been very conservative in our budgeting, which I wholly, completely endorse. But if, by understanding his reservations are up for Christmas and things are looking a little bit better, I think it's well worth having the discussion, but I also think it's well worth trying to understand where sales tax revenues are going. Really? Go ahead. You know, I think the voters and taxpayers in our community have always supported, whether they seem to have supported in recent history, issues that we've needed to go to them to support for hard costs for operational issues, such as what we just pass for transportation and the purchase of the drosity. I mean if we need specific property tax dollars for specific projects, I could probably get behind that. But to shift the sales tax to property tax, I think that's worthy of discussion but I'm going to be a little resistant to doing too much of that. Yeah, I guess where it comes from in my mind is, you know, having to go through that exercise this last year and saying, you know, we want to maintain a good transportation system. You know, we have other operation needs that a normal community funds through property taxes. And I think that it's probably something that is worth while having discussion. If that didn't go anywhere, that's fine. But I think it's something again that we should look to the community and say, do you want us to be coming back to you every two years with a plan for the transportation next year or with, you know, road stuff. I mean, does take money to run a community? Well, I could, you know, I could get behind supporting the property tax, levied to L. Pay for the town hall or the rec center or something. But to do a general overall property tax at this point for the town. Well, that's what the discussion I need to allow us, Fred. Yeah, I would agree with John and I think one of the lessons we learned putting the new milleveon for the drossty property and transportation was if you can show taxpayers where their money is going they're more likely to agree with you so I think I think it's a very very important point I think that again a discussion will worth having but having it very focused and directed one okay Jason open to the discussion again January 10th is an opportunity to talk about specific things you want to accomplish and to give direction to staff in terms of how to plan and work with you on future objectives. The next detailed budget discussion in terms of how we're doing this season would be in the late March, early April timeframe. And that'll give you more information on how we're performing this year but this is a broader strategic discussion. Yes it is. Okay. Moving on then. John Dresden. Just suggest to the council that you include in this discussion your financial advisory board. Yes. That's a good point too. You're an awful lot of smart people on that board, you know. They're used to be. I think they're used to be. Did you resign yet? I don't think yes. I don't think yes. I think he's still the chair we got immediately. I automatically did it for him. You know what that's called? That's it. Do we need an action on this. I move to approve resolution 48 series 2010. Second. Thank you for the discussion on that. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you very much. Moving on. item number six, first reading, ordinance number 18, series 2010, extension of a moratorium. Of the moratorium. We have Mr. Dressers. This was something we asked Mr. Dresser to bring forward in light of where you are still dealing with some finality in our land use and Understanding what the future is and we'd rather get those things sort of as complete as possible prior to the extension the moratorium being lapses. What do you have to tell us, Mr. Dresser? Council directed me last week to repair this ordinance extending it. You indicated that you cost six months with proper time to complete the latest amendments. The recitals in this acknowledge that the comprehensive plan has been completed and that the first phase of the amendments to chapter 16 A, the land use code, has been completed, but there are a couple of issues that you would like to look at before the moratorium expires and since it's going to expire at the end of the month you ask that it be extended to June 30, 2011 and that is a power provided in the original ordinance 21 of 2007, which enacted the moratorium at Any extension had to be by a duly adopted ordinance of the town council. So this is first reading on that direction last week. Okay Any questions Jason Okay. Any questions, Jason? Just if Russ could you mention briefly what issues we talked about still being outstanding and kind of an approach for getting those taken care of in the last instance. Again our understanding is that the only other significant action is looking at our housing policy. The policy parameters have been delineated in the comprehensive plan that has been approved. This would be moved to the planning commission in the January time frame and then to the council in February. And that'll give the new council opportunity to get to speed in some of these issues. Mr. Wilkinson. get to speed in some of these issues. Mr. Wilkinson. Well, I believe this is our seventh extension of the moratorium at this point. I certainly hope to believe that this is the last one. And in order to remove the moratorium, if we complete the review and the changes to 16A of our land use code, what do we need to do to remove that? Is it just a simple voter? Do we have to prepare another ordinance? It would be by ordinance. If you were so inclined, you could declare an emergency and do it in one reading. It would be my recommendation that you did it into. So we are planning on getting that completed within that four months, I would imagine. But you know, I think you're saying in here that it's six months and to try and say otherwise kind of defeats the purpose of the moratorium. I know you're optimistic. But you're saying in here that six months is a reasonable time. So if it's not a reasonable time, you should probably consider amending the ordinance. Well, and we'll say six months should be a reasonable time and leave it to you. Thank you very much. Any other questions? Being first reading of the ordinance, we need to have a roll call vote. No, that's the motion. Motion by Mr. Wilkinson. Second. Second by Fred Cooker. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you very much. This is always the same. Mm-hmm. I wonder why we're here so late. Moving on, item seven, Council Committee Appointments. We have here our list on our page 11, have D about the other committees that we are involved in, other than sitting as a council. We have, these are shared duties. Right now we have the raft aboard, which at this point has been John Wilkinson as the head of that and I would be the alternate. power which was read, read, core which I'm on at this time, Nordic Council which is John Wilkinson and then Senior Housing is... That's Markey. That's Markey. So at this point we have to refill these seats and I guess we'll take a self-nomination for some of these things. John are you still willing to be the principal person on the raft aboard? Well my name has just been put in to be the vice chair of Rafta and we'll vote on that in January. So I wouldn't mind continuing on that with some institutional knowledge and background, but alternative is open. Uh-huh. Who would, uh, one of the other council members like to be the alternate? I'll be the alternate. Okay. Unless you want it because you're the alternate, but I'm the alternate. Okay. Unless you want it because you're the alternate. I'm the alternate. You want someone to do it? Yeah, I mean, I have a lot of the background also as John, but it hasn't been one of those things where I have participated in this last year's nomination. Well, it's not bad to have other people involved. You know, it's one of those things where when I was the alternate with Arnie, Arnie was the principal and I would go to majority of the meetings at that time. Since John's been there, I felt it was good and, you know, I could keep up the speed. I read the board and packets and I understand a lot was going on, but I think it's okay to have somebody else on there. I mean I could I'm also seated as a core representative and I could you know back off of that and spend more time doing other things if somebody else want to do it but Jason as being an employee of core probably wouldn't make a look a sense to have you sitting in that position. We saw Rudy I Rudy and Water in power, which we can deal with. But Fred, it could be something that you might be able to take that Rudy and Water in power seat. How often do they meet? Quarterly at best? I think it's quarterly. They deal with the water quantity, quality issues. They also deal with some flooding. How did you participate in that? I was at the water work district. We could go in quite a few months ago, so. And it could be, you know, Jason, you know, that maybe I'd have to know a little more about it. There's possibly some overlap with GOR functions at GOR. We are involved in water issues to a small degree. This is one, two, where I don't know, it's a combination. There's some elected people on it. There are staff members on it. This is one where I know Reed may have suggested could a staff person fill. Okay. The makeup now is a mix. In mind, but what's that? The makeup now of that, is a mix of staff and the collected. It's actually an interesting board Jason Well, I did it my first two years. Yeah, I'm interested. Let me I mean we could on that one If you wanted to pounce and get more information on it Yeah, I mean, why don't we put my name in there tentatively? Why don't we put my name in there tentatively and we'll see if that I think it'd be good on that I think the contact that and get more information for you You need to confirm that you don't have conflicts with that's what I call if you do it's it's meaningless to And the other board that we have is John Wilkinson is also a member of Which is the Nordic Council and I think it would probably be unless anybody else has As much interest as John does in the cost country of the Nordic and beat him in Skateski Well, you know, it's a it's an interesting board since it's mostly community members There's not a lot of we act on but there's a lot that we do for the trail system so if somebody else wanted to be on that board as well you know it's because we really don't have that many votes. Right but it is one of the things what is what supported by the trails thing now and it used to be more wouldn't it more, combination of funding through the town, the city of Aspen and the county now it's more Isn't it all coming from out of the in county open space? Yeah, we act more as an advisory committee to how staff spends the money that comes through the Open space and trails budget And so you had the three originally the three entities that paid a, was it one third, one third, one third? Picking County, Snowmass Village and the City of Aspen all contributed a third into a pod that was used to maintain the trails. Now it comes 100% out of Picking County, but then it's administered by the City of Aspen's parks and the Brecht department, and they maintain the trails here in Snowmass Village. And the trails between Aspen and Snowmass. So we act more as an advisory committee and since Jason has kids that ski too, he might want to consider that but I'd be happy to serve on that one as well. I'm not sure if I can get a little bit of a question. I'm not sure if I can get a little bit of a question. Consider that, but I'd be happy to serve it on that one as well. Okay. So at this point with the raft, let's go back up. See John Wilkinson will be the principal. I'll continue to be the secondary. Rudai Water and Power Jason is to see if he has any conflicts or issues. Core, I can continue or I can open it up to Fred or Markey. My thoughts are, Markey might help us with that senior housing board, whatever that is, and continue working on that. I would like to continue to do that if it's acceptable. Fred, do you see anything there? I would like to continue to do that if it's acceptable. Fred, do you see anything there? You'd really like to, you know, with what we have available, jump into? Well, as I said, the one thing that sort of caught my attention was Rasta, but can you have two alternatives? Or can you have a tertiary source? At this point, no, it's just been the two. What happens is you cannot have more than two members at one meeting before it's an issue. So the only one that's open in really is core. So maybe I do that. OK. See what Jason's doing. He's working days. That would be good. The core meetings are again quarterly. Not bad. No. Yeah, it's been only basically quarterly meetings. Sometimes they have a few extra. But they review budget, they review grants. One of the issues in snowmasses, we do our own collection of funds. But we do participate in helping set the budget and look at other grants and work with the city and the county and the core staff So it's a pretty good organization at some point. It may be good to Hospital change of that But okay, I'll let them know you will be now the representative And then we'll just assign Mark E to be in senior housing and we'll put from there anything else. Rhonda is anything else you need from us? No sir I got it all thank you. Thank you. Moving on, managers report. Just a couple quick updates don't have anything in writing but you had a couple follow-ups from the last meeting. The pool is working we will be replacing a heat exchanger as I understand it hot and it was an issue with how it was operating with the solar panels but it's operating. Did a walk through last week with David Peckler and base village had a variety of thoughts ideas that predominantly the receiver in ski company are following up as a release to signage. We also talked about Lot C and we should be seeing some chairs or benches, ski racks and they're also gonna be looking at can they do some form of shelter. I don't know what anticipate seeing that this winter, but they're going to look at what they can do to make that a little bit more comfortable and welcoming. And then finally, as it relates to the ice age topic. We are chatting with a landlord, basically the vacant space beside Jean Taylor's to see if we can get free space. There's a tenant that's looking at going in there that could keep an eye on an exhibit space so we wouldn't incur a cost with that. So we're trying to see if we can negotiate something that would provide us free space. Somebody would need to pay for the exhibit. The marketing department is looking at paying for that cost to create some form of small exhibit space in the mall. So we are in discussions with both a property owner and a potential tenant. I did get a call last couple of days about the question I brought up last meeting, specifically the bus stop removal down by across from the home state. And I told this person to come the meeting next week. And I'm on agenda just bring up if he wants to. We are sending them a letter. Basically this is for a quick. It's a place where buses have stopped. Again, I think from an operational standpoint and a safety standpoint, it's just downhill on brush creek from the Sinclair brush creek bus stop. There was a thought that the town of Whiten that area for a bus stop, that's not true. So and it's only, I've never actually seen a bus stop there, but evidently it has. And again from an operational and a safety standpoint. I think this in clear stop is safer and operationally works better. How far down is this person needing to walk there and where this picture homestead is? But blue roofs, so it's just, I mean, and I don't know what the physical needs issues are of the individuals that have a concern, but from our observation, it's directly adjacent to the property owners and questions. Not that far down from the existing to the homestead driveway. I guess it was just more about this being changed in their It's a change here. They used to be able to get right off them. Walk into their door whether it be the blue group, whether it be the homestead folks or across the street. Across the street. I'm not sure whether it was coming or going, dropping off going down the hill or coming up. you know, again one of the safety considerations was If there was a request to stop on the other side that crossing You know and at least in our opinion isn't terribly safe where you do have a crosswalk on the top of that hill Which is certainly safe from a line of sight Okay, so just be aware of that I've also been called by a resident of questions again about the electrical, holy cross, fees and what we're paying. of the Holy Cross utility lines and the power station that was put up in by the cemetery and I explained that I think it's actually in the 13 to 14% area that we're actually paying and then since then there have been rate increases, but is there an update we can get from Holy Cross about? We'll see individual we've chatted with before and we've also facilitated discussions with Holy Cross and a couple members of the public. You know, we certainly could the message or the numbers haven't changed other than just rate increases. So again if there's somebody new or different, I think it's the same person we've talked about. And so I just think if we can get, you know, they have to be talked. Yeah, we want us people know that, you know, I didn't have the exact numbers in my time. Because when we talked to Richard and those guys from Holy Cross there were saying well it's you know 30 years at this rate and if we can just get that written down so I can you know you can try and potentially do something on our website and refer people to that and whenever they do have a question about that project be happy to do that. I could also point out that the across as a cooperative and as customers there are members and they have access to everything in their cooperatives as well. And they also, I believe, elect that board. Okay. Christmas is coming. The tourist are starting to hopefully show up in town and I've talked a lot of different people last week and they're thinking that our numbers are going to be okay. They're a little bit up over last year. Some are still concerned. But I think you know, all of us in still must need to put out the welcome mat as we always do. And to put out the welcome mat as we always do. And you know, walk around the mall, talk to your constituents on the mall, have a better day, and a few people said, where's the rest of these guys? And girls would come up and talk to us. Said I'm sure they will, but I'll pass the word along. Rhonda? You might want to mention about Santa Claus in the fire truck this Friday. Oh yeah, there's something going on with Santa Claus Friday. He's going to be running around the community in different areas as they normally do. Making lots of noise and lights in the fire truck. I don't have the list of where we're going to, but... It starts at 6 o'clock at daily town homes and kind of goes down from there. We had a schedule that it's in the paper. The paper. Yeah. Very good. Yep. So that last week, Santa was even down at the Rec Center last week on Sunday and playing with some kids so that they had to get your wishes in early. Yeah. Yeah. Early and often. Sometimes Santa forgets things. But they'll also be on the mall at 21st, 22nd, 23rd, and 24th, I think, for different parts of the mall, mall or base village. Anything else anybody has to bring up John Wilkinson? Well, since you're mentioning the travel for the holidays is this, the scheme couldn't be better right now. I was up on the mountain yesterday and they opened up a lot of the Hanging Valley wall. They pulled some of the ropes down in between weird woods and, uh, and, uh, Willis and it was amazing how great the scheme is at this time of year. I wish it was like this always, but I encourage people to let everyone know that the scheme is, uh, very good at this point. I believe our bus system internally is now up to the full schedule. It is. Okay. That's another important aspect to be able to get around town. So it's about it. Thank you. Anything Jason? Red? Okay. Is there a motion for the Germans? We've given this something. Madeline. Since not you are online, you might not know that they think they found the body of George Aldridge. Oh, all right. We, microphones, we're going to be. What Madeline told us was that they think they found the body of George Aldridge in Aspen. So that's sad to hear. Can't just remind you, Mr. Mayor, we've got a full meeting next Monday. We'll have three development applications. Two of them are very similar. All right. We've got two. We've seen detailed memos on those. We did skip item number seven. I mean, that's the nine. Agenda for next time, Councilor meeting, thank you. It's a big one.. I mean nine. 9. Agenda for next time, Council meeting, thank you. It's a big one. Yes it is. Review that. Is there anything people would like to change timing? Try not to. Step with a lot of time to make these things work. Again, starting the meeting at four o'clock. Yes it is. Along with when we have the belt camp review. Is that going to be the start of the formal review of the entire project? The old camp. Restaurant. Yes. Actually, it's already started from the planning committee. They're through stage one with the course service. That's how it goes. through stage one with the course service. Okay. Okay. So that'll just be receiving a presentation. They'll be council comments at that point or. Here the applicant's presentation of proposal and review the applications. After evaluation schedule, public hearing and direct staff to prepare resolution. And so we're getting this via CD now. Yes. It's all on the CD. We gave our packets out of the planning commission. So the applicants presentation and their materials. Okay. We'll check into that. They had a lot of documents and very few pictures and schematics when I looked at it. Okay. Anything about the agenda for next meeting? pictures and scabbardics when I look at it. Okay. Anything about the agenda for next meeting? Very none now. Just just a minute. We're gonna be talking about the ISA's task force, pretty late in the evening, but we're not inviting any applicants. This is what we anticipate is, if you have 20 people for a position, do you see three or four you wanna interview? Okay. 20 people for a position. Do you see three or four you want to interview? OK. Is there a motion for adjournment? So moved. Fred Cooker. Second by Jason Hunter. Mitch A. Hunter. Jason Haber. Thank you very much. And all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Aye. Four of what? Please. Paul goes well. We should have packets. I'm Thank you.