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I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the you I'm going to do it. Are you ready? Yes, sir. Let's go ahead and start this meeting today. I'd like to call the order of the Stomach Village Town Council. This is a regular meeting for Tuesday, January 18, 2011. First item we have is roll call, please, Ronda. Here? Here? Here? Butler? Paper? Here. Here. Here. Thank you. Next item is for public non agenda items anybody has a thing please step forward state your name for the record nothing going on there next item is for council updates do we have any starting with Jason today. A couple quick ones I attended today, a meeting, an initial meeting representatives from throughout the Moring forg Valley, various jurisdictions, Basalt, Carbondale, City of Aspen, Snowmass Village. I need a Manchester from the AAC was there. As well as Core to talk about initial thoughts around regulating disposable single use shopping bags and grocery stores and other merchants throughout the valley. So kicking off that, getting a little steam throughout the valley to talk about, we'll be engaging the village market and other merchants to talk about that real soon. And then the second thing, some, a request from City of Aspen's Environmental Health Department to make a mention and see if there was any interest in snow mass village. The City of Aspen is kicking off a commercial composting program, targeting commercial food waste, mainly at restaurants and things like that, but which also could apply to the market here. At this point, the snowmast club is the only participant in snowmast village. And so they have an entire route dedicated just to that one collection. If we could get other interested businesses and participants that would defray some of the cost of that and make that program more successful. So I encourage any businesses or restaurants or otherwise that are interested in that program to contact our solid waste department or city of Aspen Environmental Health. There is a cost to that. There is some cost to that. There is some cost to that. I don't know how that's being handled at this point, if that's being entirely borne by the Snowmass flood or what, but they are working with Dave Overin and our public works department. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Wilkinson. I think at this time, Mr. Cooker. I just want to say that for you folks who are here for the task force, as I keep calling it, I want you to know how incredibly difficult you have made our job. All of us have been through these materials several times, your responses. I thank you all for your interest. I thank you all for your talents. But I don't thank you for making my jobs look tough We haven't gotten to that part of the agenda yet Fred Okay Speaking of what Fred is talking about we have the final interviews for the Ice Age Discovery Committee We've allotted about 90 minutes for this Council has talked about trying to do this in a fairly good process, but it basically means we'd like to talk to you one-on-one. I think that the idea, just so we don't, jade the decision-making process and understand that we're going to be probably asking very similar questions if not the same. If you happen to answer the same and come in, that's not a problem. But to start off with, I think that as Fred was stating, we all do appreciate everybody's time and energy putting into this because we know this is potentially a very good program that we want to see how it's going to take off and with your help and direction we will get further down the track and sort of get an idea of what the community wants to do. John? Yeah I just want to add though whatever choices we make there'll be one seat on this task committee, TUS committee. That's going to be running for the term of this committee and figuring out what we're going to do, but we want everyone to remain involved. This is not an exclusionary decision that we're making here where it's more of an inclusion area and seeing who gets on it and then we're going to form hopefully the task force will come back with recommendations for a subcommittee. And we want to keep everyone that expressed interest engaged in this process because the depth of knowledge and experience I've been amazed with by everyone that submitted the resumes. And I can't tell you how much I appreciate it, even though it's a hard decision. I think it's a great that we have the opportunity to make this become a reality for a community. So don't feel discouraged if you don't get picked because we hope you stay involved and be part of subcommittees that will have a lasting impact on what we're going to be doing. So right now, I guess we have set up people here. And I see there's one person I know who's not here, but just so we we're going to do probably is to start off and go by this list and ask people to step out of the room and then we'll go one at a time. Is Sandy Jackson here? Very good. Andre Willey's here? No. No. no okay I don't know right now Sarah Schmidt Very good Sarah I know Jack's here Colleen's here and Janus is here He's been here at 430 and Chuck be here at 430 very good and so Chuck got that information Okay 430 Is there anybody else here who for this that I haven't called? Okay, so if we can if everybody except for Sandy could step out for a few minutes it won't take very long just out into the lobby there would be wonderful. We have a reading room upstairs for the Again, we library mr. Mayor just to be clear we have two positions. There were looking for positions And I believe you're gonna first start with the educational yes, and then run to the citizen Thank you very much So any come right up here? Right there is good Especially for kids My class if I yesterday is kids sometimes. Well, Rando. I was visiting with the president of the college. I guess I'm, yeah, a week ago. And he asked me to be certain to bring these up for all of you because oftentimes we think of CMC as a very small entity and CMC actually covers nine counties and we have, which I was very surprised. He told me about 25,000 students. That's not full time. That's what we have just under 5,000 full time students that's involved with CMC. That's very good. Yes, CMC, I've used it a number of times and I think it is a very good asset for our community to have. And so thank you for this information. It is one of the things I always tell a lot of people get involved with and get a little education under their belts. So thank you Sandy. You bet. Sandy, we appreciate you spending the time to come forward and give us your application on this and your information. Would you give us a few minutes of that information and just tell us in the public watching on TV, why you're interested in doing this and then we'll probably get down to some basic questions. Well, I have been in education for many years and I find education exciting not only to share with other people, but for myself. I think that's one of the most important things is to maintain an enthusiasm for something in your life. And one of those is to learn more things and to continue to expand one's own knowledge. And then I hope to be able to share that. And I have been teaching for more years and I care to say at this point. I have been with CMC since 1990 and have taught a lot of students looking at things with archaeology, anthropology in that area. When this find occurred this fall, I have my students do current events where they come in and they talk about something that they read and I had 12 students in class who brought in the same current event. And that was all dealing with the find up here. And I had been out on a backpacking trip with another set of students at that point. And I was, what do you mean? I haven't heard anything at all about this. And so that was very exciting. And then I was lucky enough to bring my students up here for a tour. And I really thank the Water and Sanitation District for arranging that so I could get my class up here. One of my students at the end of that said, coming up for the tour was the most exciting thing she had done in her life, well, in many years, which I thought for a 19-year-old college student, that's kind of neat to hear something like that. So I'm very interested in continuing to share that enthusiasm and obviously it has been a great interest throughout the whole valley. I also came up for the exhibit that was in the across the way and arrived and they said it would be a two and a half to three hour wait and line and so we did not stay for that but because I had my 80 year plus year old parents with me and we can stand in line. But I think this is a unique opportunity to generate a great deal of interest in prehistory and how populations, not only human populations, but also animal populations used to occupy these areas and to look at how one can tie together the whole time period as to how the valley was formed, what type of critters may have occupied this area at one point, and then to bring it up to what we see today in this area. And I think that's very exciting to be able to be on the ground level, so to speak, of bringing some of these ideas together. CMC obviously is very interested in partnering on this and I think it's a unique opportunity to develop a lot of great working relationships and to draw on information from this wealth of knowledge that already exists in this valley. And it's quite important to use the knowledge that already exists in this valley. Very good. I can continue to. Okay. Let's, uh, let the council, I guess I asked a few questions of you. I'll let Jason start with a couple questions he may have. Okay. Um, in your answers to your questions, Jason, start with a couple questions he may have. In your answers to your questions, I think you may mention of CMC offering a pool of train talent that might be made available to the IADC. I'm wondering what you mean by that more specifically or if that's just conceptual at this point. And then also in light of your affiliation with CMC, what do you see in terms of opportunities or how do you envision partnering with other educational organizations that exist in the valley, local schools, and other entities that are interested in natural sciences and things like that. Well, CMC is an inclusive type organization. We already offer dual credits for high school students. They can enroll in college courses and take them in conjunction with going to high school and receive dual credit in that area. We have, of course, the traditional college program. And we also offer a great deal of non-credit courses that can have a lot of flexibility in the programming and can be developed with a specific idea in mind. With my reference to the availability of faculty and courses through the CMC community. I think there's a great opportunity to utilize, say, the photography students to come up and take pictures and have the ability to publish some of those and to use, you know, budding photographers in some of the promotional work or have people that are interested in the graphic arts program and come up and help to design some of that. Of course, we have a geologist on the teach courses and I think they could offer non-credit courses on the geology of the area. So I think there's a variety of ways to tie in those experts in the field with developing programs to promote this site. And as someone with training in archaeology and also in education, I understand that we have, we have, in the mandate is kind of too strong a word, but as someone in education, archaeology, we need to make certain that the information is available to everyone. And that information needs to be available in such a way that it is understandable, a lot of times education, academics, we move into a realm where the terminology isn't accessible to all. And I think that's one way where CMC and myself can offer the ability to ensure that everyone receives some information. You know, little kids are fun to work with, and I have an experience with Girl Scouts, and they're just so excited about things. And so those are our areas where I think you can certainly work with young children, and I mentioned in here, working with Girl Scouting. I think what a great way to develop a badge or to do something called a wider opportunity where you bring a bunch of girl scouts maybe from all over the nation into this area where they spend a week and they learn about the mammoth and the mastodons that the charismatic megafauna that no longer exist and then they go home and they tell their parents and their parents want to come. I think I love working with people. And so cooperative working arrangements with ACES, with the public schools. I think that's a great idea. And I like the subcommittee that you guys have been mentioning that even if one group, one person isn't selected that there's still that opportunity to remain involved and be a part of the whole, just the excitement of what has been going on up here. John Wilkinson. Yes, a lot of really great ideas. And that's what I meant about including everyone in this whole process from the educational point of view. Because you have a wealth of knowledge and background information that would be really helpful for us as a community. The stuff is coming out of the woodwork for us. I'm just a practical question for you. I don't know how often this task force is going to be meeting. This stuff is coming out of the woodwork for us. I'm just a practical question for Yari. I don't know how often this task force is going to be meeting. Are you going to have any issues with travel or coming up here for meetings on a... Russ, do you have any idea how often we're going to be meeting in this community? You know, it really depends on what this group is formed. You know, in the context of the price we arrived to with the facilitator we were assuming twice a month for the first four months and then okay potentially another couple of meetings in the fifth and sixth month. Hard to say. Right. Okay. Does that work for your schedule? You should be able to work around it. Yes, it does. And that was actually one of my questions for you was what type of time commitment are we thinking of and that's, you know, with a subcommittee, we'll add a few more meetings, and then also this, and I think that that's fine. I certainly can work around that and have those arrangements. I do have my commitment to my classes that I currently teach that which you all understand, because you all have jobs and other commitments as well. And I assume that the committee would be flexible to work around people's schedules and be able to set, you know, meeting times that way. And I guess another part of that question I had is there the opportunity to do maybe an IBS type of meeting or something over teleconferencing something like that. Explain IVS. I mean it was skyping and you know yeah it's a video conference. We teach some courses through CMC the IVS where the teacher may be an aspirin and she's teaching to students. Okay. You know, in Breckenridge or Rife or something like that. I haven't heard that before. Okay, thank you. Uh-huh. Fred? I'm sort of a bang for the buck person and you clearly bring a lot of resources with you, I.E.C.M.C. And I like that. I think that's important because I think there's a whole bunch of resources that need to be brought to bear on this committee. I guess my question for you is since we, our goal, the town's goal, is to make this town an exciting place for people to come to and spend some time. What sorts of things do you think the CMC community can do to attract people here? I think the CMC community and myself that we can program various different activities. I can use the Crocanean model. I don't know if you're familiar with Crocanean, but Crocanean you go and you can spend a week doing archaeology. And maybe this wouldn't be actually people digging in the dirt, but they might be able to come in for a week where they would have various different activities where they could attend some seminars or they could go out to the site. They might be able to learn something about curation, how to take care of the material that's coming out of the site. I think that's a great opportunity for grandparents to come with their grandchildren to come out. And I know that ski towns often suffer from, you have a lot of people that come during ski season, but sometimes the summers are a little bit slower. And I think that would be a great time to bring in various different seminars or special conferences where people could come in and offer papers, offer talks about types of information and have activities for kids going on during that same time frame. Thank you. Sandy, what would your vision be of the programming of this? I guess what I'm getting at is, are we looking more towards a educational program for the business model and or a economic focus for this. You know, if it was your decision to, at the end of the day, to say, what I want to do is put this together. What would that show me a little picture of what that this might be? That's a very interesting question. That's a very interesting question. I think education is also includes a business model and an economic model because if you're bringing people in to learn about a topic, especially if you're bringing in grandparents and grandchildren, for example, they're still going to go eat. And so that's still going to be an economic influx. My push of course would be to ensure that the educational component remains a quality educational component. But I don't see that you can eliminate or isolate education from having to do a business model because with this you are also going to have to include a way to have maybe a facility or a location where activities can occur. And that may include a CMC facility or local facilities that are available here in Snowmass Village. And I guess I see all of that. With my background in anthropology, I always think holistically that everything is tied together and can't really separate one thing from another. And so I think this is all tied up together. And I don't think you can have education without bringing in an economic value, but education also costs some money. So you're going to have to have some startup costs, which hopefully then create a self-sustaining model that then can help generate revenue. Being not signing up for that fundraising position, I think that is one of the little larger thoughts in my mind is how, where we find money, what's it going to take to put this business plan together? And then is it something that we can find grants to help build a facility of what size, what, you know, being so far have like 600 bones that the museum has right now. And they have a number of exhibits that they've told us they won't be a partner in and would be willing to loan us, you know, wondering, you know, how and to what extent we push this to. And that's, I think, where some of the CMC community can be involved, CMC has a very strong foundation that averages somewhere around $4 million a year in fundraising. They also have a staff that is quite experienced in grant writing. And I don't have that grant writing background, but I certainly have the ability to contact those people and ask for their assistance and their guidance in how to go about writing for grants and fundraising. And then eventually I think that would be something that the committee with the town council and the town would need to determine is do you want a permanent exhibit with a large facility? Is that something that would benefit in the long term? And my mind, yes it is, but I think that's something that would have to have an ongoing conversation about, especially once you said 600 bones. Yeah. Yeah. Once you start talking about half a dozen to a dozen to two dozen skeletons, that's starting to talk some considerable size for his identity. Right now, you may understand just the bone pieces and parts and stuff that they found. Right. So yeah, the museum said they're big, more than happy to work with us and loan us number of things and go forward. So, Council, does anybody else have any more questions? Like I said, I hope you stay involved regardless. John, Russ, do you have anything that we need to think of? Now, the questions you asked right on. Say anything you would like to, you know, ask us about clarification or what will you know? I think in some of your questions, you kind of covered the questions that I had, which dealt with the time commitment and budget. And I think that's what I was just hearing was that the budget is going to be something that we'll be discussed as as the whole committee develops and in working in cooperation with the council. I do believe, you know, as far as a scheduling, you know, that will be up to the committee to see what they can do. And I would hope that they would be able to be into technology to, you know, have, if you had to be down the valley and had a time that you could meet and be a phone or some of the means would be wonderful. I think we have to take all those kinds of thoughts into this process. And I, Dr. Johnson, Kurt Johnson, he's also going to be on the committee correct. And so I imagine that he would like the opportunity to meet sometimes via an alternate form of. Very good. Thank you for your time. Well, thank you very much. And if you would send in Sarah, that would be, we appreciate that. You can tag off on Sarah. And just again, as a point of reference, if Andre does not show up, you'll be talking to six people. That's roughly 15 minutes. That was right around 15 minutes. Well, so we have conference call capabilities. We do. It's basic. I mean, essentially, we've used Skype a couple of months. We use Skype at the candidates forum, I know. We did. And we wanted to do it in this room, and we might need a slightly different camera, but I mean, there were very inexpensive. So we, because clearly the scientists down in Denver isn't going to make it up here in a current place a month. You do have a budgetary item on this once you're done, and I'll be asking you for authorization for a little bit of seed money. Hello, Sarah. Come right up front here and take the hot seat. Is this the hot seat? Yeah, it's either one of those. One in front of the microphone, preferably. Oh, make sense. Smart. Thank you for coming today. Thanks for having me. We jump right into your application. We, again, appreciate the time that you have put in and coming from Aces. I think we all have used it and know it's value. And thank you again. Tell us a little bit again why you think this is an important thing for you to be involved in and maybe a little bit of what ACEs can help with. First of all, thank you so much for having me here and I was really blown away by the people that were out there and the people that you have to interview today. So I'm honored to be a part of that group. I would like to be a part of this task force as you called it because... I think I'm the only one who calls with me. No, no, I think we've all used it for it. You know, like Johnny Boyd started it. Well, somebody started it. Well, I'm adopting it now. I like that name. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to be a part of it because I just think it sounds like fun. When I first heard about in the paper, I was extremely excited about it. It was something that I was checking the paper every day to see what came up next. And that was at my workplace, too, once the Dunbar Museum started putting it on their website, that's how we started our day was watching that video and there was excitement among all the staff. And when I would run into people, friends, and out in the community, it was what we talked about because everybody was so excited. And I'd like to continue that energy, that excitement, that of this treasure that's been found. And what I do is education. I love being a teacher. And so if I can help in this process, I'd love to. Okay, very good. Jason, you wanna ask a question? Sarah? First of all, I like a lot of what you said in your answers in terms of how you mentioned the importance and the relationships to the community and I'm curious about some of your thoughts about, you know, creating that sense of ownership and things that you talk about in there. And then also maybe at the other end of the spectrum, it'd be interesting to hear. I know ACEs is very involved in terms of educating the community and the youth in our community. It'd be interesting to hear a little bit about ACEs programs and how they relate to some of our short term guests and tourists and how you target programs towards that demographic as well. Definitely. So the first part that you asked about with the community involvement, first of all I feel like the process that you guys have put forth to ask everybody to that was interested to apply for physicians was a great start to that. And if I were to be on the test force, I would like to continue that and listen to what community members are saying and ideas because I know that there's so much, so many great things going on out there. Songs that have been written, artwork that's been created, ideas for programs. And so I feel like I did a list of a few ideas that I had, but that's just from me and a couple of people that I work with. And so I feel like if I can involve more people in it, I'll have more programs, ideas to base the next steps off of. And as far as ESA's programs, we have a variety of programs. What we try to do as an organization is to educate people for environmental stewardship. And so big piece of that is learning about your local environment. And so this discovery shows us a lot about the past of this environment. And that's part of what excited me is I love learning about the ecosystem and teaching about the ecosystem. And now I have all these clues to the past. And that's part of what ACEs does is teach about the ecosystem and what it looked like to the past. And that's part of what ACEs does is teach about the ecosystem and what it looked like in the past and those changes that are happening. We do a variety of programs from toddler to adult and the piece that I'm in charge of is school programs. So my predominant area that I'm working in is kindergarten through fourth grade. However, we do programs, school programs from preschool to high school that I'm in charge of. And we have a program at Aspen Elementary School that kindergarten through fourth grade students go to environmental education each every six school days. So they have it as a special just like they have art or music. They have environmental ed and we provide the teachers to do that. Those kids at Aspen Elementary also do three field trips with us throughout the year. And it could be at the Moon Bells learning about the geology there, or it could be at Hall and Lake looking for beavers or a variety of the natural environments that we have around here. We can do a program for them. But the Aspen Elementary School, there's three programs for every student through the year. Middle school, we do field programs, high school, we do field programs, and that extends all the way up and down the valley and beyond. So I usually do one program with grand junction during the year, a couple with rifle, but mostly Glenwood to Aspen. Rock bottom ranch is a part of Ases also, and so there's education staff at Rock bottom ranch that are going into Crystal River Elementary School and Basalt Elementary School doing a similar program as what I spoke to with the Aspen Elementary School program that we do. They are there, the Rock Bottom Ranch educators each week. Any teacher can call me up and say they want a field program and I'll help design one and help mentor the educators that are teaching it or I'll teach it myself. So that's the school program piece. We do naturalist programs too at Snowmass. We do tours for guests that are visiting Snowmass and for locals that live here. And naturalist field school, we have all sorts of programs for adults too that I like to take a lot of those classes during the summer along with many programs that we have in the evenings too. Very good. Anything else? Right now? Mr. Wilkins? You have a lot of really good ideas that I'd love to see implemented. And some of the ideas that are already been talked about in what we want on this task force is to come up with a plan for implementing these. And I certainly want to have ACES involved in whatever they come up with and you have some real good practical ideas. Now the other thing I like is that your outreach isn't just to the ESPN School District. What other schools you said you mentioned the crystal. Yep, so crystal river, the salt, Glenwood, I have some program scheduled with Sopris and Glenwood Elementary School coming up to either Rock Bottom Ranch or Helm Lake. In Country Day and... Yeah, Country Day, Community School. So yeah. Basically every school that's in the valley we serve us at some time during the year. If you had to make a wild guess, how many kids does that outreach to? So I can't remember the numbers right now from last year. And I don't know the total number. I know the contact number in that if we see somebody two times for two different programs, we call them twice, but it could be the same person on the same child. And that last year, I think it's probably around 40,000. It's a huge number because the total number for ACEs is 90,000. And a significant part of that is the school program. So however that is a little bit of a wild guess. You know it's cool because you're already doing some of this education. You know of course it caught my eye on the mountain biking through times and some of the mountain biking. Yeah that was actually one of the ideas I was really excited about because I love mountain biking here. I love the trails. It's spent a lot of time on government and rim trail and all the ones in between. And so I was just thinking about what I was riding over as I mountain bike those trails. Yeah. And now you know it. Now I assume that you got the green light from your organization to be involved with this. And are they looking at creating a specific curriculum already with or without this task force? Yeah, so right from when we heard about it, we were excited about it and it fit into what we were already doing. So in the school programs, for example, in third grade, they were learning about ecosystem, and they were learning about ecosystem members. So instead of doing the same lesson we've done every year, we incorporated, we purchased a replica of a mammoth and a mastodon tooth. And so they looked at those teeth and compared them to herbivores that they're familiar with today. And they also looked at pictures of plants in various times. And they were able to see, compare what has been in the past in this area to what is the present day and how the ecosystem works in all those times. Great. Well, I certainly want to keep you included in whatever it is that we end up doing here because, you know, I'm excited about the programs. Oh, one other thing I just had to mention. My vast Tom Cardamon, his son won a contest at the Belly Up for Halloween and it was of a mastodon and it was this amazing costume. And so we have taken that out a few times too. So the kids were in a program that they're learning a little bit about the Ice Age and out of the woods came a mastodon. Was that before or after they discovered that was it? It was after. I guess it was after that. Yeah, it was after that. So it was pretty immediately. Yeah, I was thinking. There's a couple of mastodons running our neighborhood during Trick or Treat, too. Yeah, he won a thousand dollars for the costume. I didn't know he was old enough to drink yet though. Sure he yeah. I suffer. Okay, well thank you very much. I appreciate your enthusiasm and I appreciate you being interested and being part of this. Yeah, and thanks for taking the time to interview me. Fred? I know you have a tough decision ahead of you. Again, I like the fact that you come from an organization so that there's more than just you sitting here at the table. And I guess my question to you is how do you envision bringing the resources of ACES? And I assume those resources are largely personnel, people with environmental backgrounds. But how do you envision bringing ACES resources to bear on whatever it is you decide to do. I think what you said was exactly right. It's the personnel. And I do feel like I'm riding on the shoulders of these great colleagues that I work with. And I feel like part of a huge part of what I'll be bringing is that this is daily conversation in our office. So I'm not out here on my own. I, this is something that we talk about all the time. So I feel like it will be that brainstorming, that interaction, that support, that knowledge of people that have been doing this much longer than I have been doing it and have lived here much longer than I have lived here. And so we'll be bringing other perspectives than what I bring. And we also, we have a lot of people that are new to the Valley and excited and coming with new ideas fresh out of college. We have 16 interns during the summer. And I think that if there's a way for them to be a part of this too, more than bringing ideas if it is helping with some tours or some of the programming, I think we have a lot of talent and interest and amazing people that could be involved. Thank you. Thanks. And the time won't be a problem on your schedule. We were told that it may be once or twice a month. The idea is that twice a month for about four months. And then maybe a meeting here or there after after that and we're trying to find ways to possibly telephone conversations in this task force and that kind of stuff. Right. As far as the time commitment, my job completely supports this position. So it would be okay for me to go during regular work hours, which is a great plus. It also, I am so committed and interested and excited about this that I would love to put forth a time needed to do a great job at it. Very good. Part of this, I think my mind, the major part of this task force is to put together a business plan, understand what direction we want to take. In my sleepless night, sometimes I go, well, we spend $5,000 to put something together, it sits in a corner, or do we go, you know, $5 million or more, try to find something that's a great facility for people to come to in the winter, or in the sea when they're skiing, and after the day, it's been a couple hours there, or in the summertime, they come up in this, it's a reason to come to Stomach. If you were queen and in charge of this, what do you think your business plan might include? It would start by surrounding myself by smart people. And as far as the economic end of it, I feel like programs can start without much money at all. So before there's a museum built or exhibit built, before there's money fundraised, I feel like, you know, ACES has started programs, but I feel like for very little money, programs can start that are high quality and that can start right away. As far as the money needed in the funding for something larger, I honestly have no clue. What that business plan would look like, but I feel like no matter what I'd be concerned with is that the exhibits, the materials, the programming would be of utmost quality to help support whatever vision is created. And as you're aware, we have a, it sounds like a very good partnership with the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. Right. And I was excited. I saw that they're making casts of the actual animals. Is it, I don't know if it's certain ones? Well, right now, they've, I think what I understand is that they will give water and sanitation district a cast of the most complete animal that they find of their choosing, basically. At this point, you know, we've heard that there's a young, 14-year-old female, and we've heard of other things. But, you know, also what we understand is these casts, just the basic casting of the animal, runs anywhere at $30,000 to $50,000. And then to build an exoskeletal structure to put these bones together in, it takes probably another $1,75,000, $50,000, $5,500, $125,000. And then if you want to put a skin on top of that, you're talking probably another 150. And so the museum has sort of said to us that if we have a location that's secure, that they would be willing to lend us some of their other exhibits, as long as we know that it's a secure place and we take care of it and that kind of stuff. So it does sound like we have the ability for this basic one animal, but there may be other things that, you know, the sloth they may have downstairs that they could lend us for a few months. But again, it takes money, and it depends on how far we go with this business plan. Are we looking at trying to raise quite a substantial them fund? Right now, as you know, we have like 600 bones. Well, the museum has 600 bones. We don't have them. And they're working on them. And they have, I think enough stuff to study for decades, they've told us. So there's always going to study for decades, they told us. So, you know, there's always going to be a lot of stuff going on and it just has to, we have to get our hands around what they found and what their thoughts are and what can we do with this task force to say, okay, where do we go from here? So I think it's a very exciting day for not only Stomach Village, but everybody who's going to be involved in this. It's so exciting and so what I think of the business plan I don't know any of those numbers and so that's hard for me to say but it is exciting that we can start the programming with not very much. Well the idea is that in one of task force gets together, maybe they can take a trip together down to Denver and then take a tour of the museum and see what they have and sort of build a little relationship with Kurt Johnson and try to really say, okay, wow, now what can, what should we do, what can we do? So, thank you for your time. Thank you. Just after you have any other questions, Leslie, anything back there? Thank you so much questions of us? No, not at this time. I can't think of any, but I did want to say one other small tidbit. I was just thinking about when I was younger in the trips that I went on with my family and I grew up in Minnesota and I loved rocks. So when we would go to Northern Minnesota, I might be looking for top-snight gems and basalt and trying to chisel them out or going to find amethyst. And I just remember that excitement of finding this treasure. And I was just thinking about the bones that were found here and that excitement and that treasure that the community had of having this amazing finds. And I think that's part of what excites me to about the possibility of helping out in this process. Very good. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. If you would go outside and see if Andre Willie's happens to be there. If he's not, we'll call in the next person ourselves. Okay. Fred? We can have Leslie. I think Leslie is good. She's the buzzer. Okay. She'll be the invitation. Thank you. What a poll. She'll be the invitation. Well, let her go out and see. Okay. So let's wait a minute here and let's just talk a little bit about what we've heard and gone with so far. So what is Council's wish? Do you want to make a decision right now of this position? Okay, so any thoughts we have that we want to talk about before that or just write down your name and send it to the left with the right or wherever Who's the gatekeeper down to Ronda? So now we're going to sit and talk about these next citizens at large position. I don't confuse me with facts. My mind's made up. So now we're going to sit and talk about these next citizens at large position. I guess one of the thoughts that was happened this weekend, are we going to look at one or two people in that position? Is that something that we want to talk about now? Yeah, I think we should talk about that now. My feeling is, and I'm happy to be persuaded that I'm wrong, but I think it might be a good idea to have a resident and a non-resident. It just, again, different perspectives, all interested in the well-being of snowmass, but you have, this is a beautiful time in somebody who isn't, and yet they both care. John? At that said, there's only one part time. There's a goalie. Yeah. So that would, you know, I think there's a number of people on this next selection they could bring a lot to this committee. And so, you know, I'd be comfortable too, because I, you know, I'm in some opposition. I think too is okay. You know, I do like to have, you know, one, I think a smaller group initially, but, you know, I don't think it's going to be a detrimental to have two voices from that group. I also like the idea of having two citizen at large positions. I'm not necessarily tied to the idea of having one non-resident, although I think our non-resident candidate is a very strong candidate, so I'm looking forward to having to her. But at this point, I'm definitely, I like the idea of having two citizens at large positions. I don't know. I'm just going to split. You were, well, there's two and two. What? Going back to the education. The education you're doing. So I think Russ is throwing this out. Maybe you'd want to consider the same kind of solution for that position. The other thing I was going to caution you about is that you don't have a non-resident here but part timetime resident applying and that person is a member of our part-time resident advisory board. So I would urge all of you to use part-time resident rather than not- Thank you. I'll just add you to it. So again, going back to the education and you can interview this group while they're waiting outside and you visit that or choose two and again, as you might recall, group while they're waiting outside and visit that or choose to. And again, as you might recall, and I think staff feels comfortable, you're already suggested you're going to engage a facilitator. And so I think we can handle a few people. Okay. I mean, in terms of the organizations that they represent, there are two of the strongest educational organizations in the valley. I think it would be an asset to have both of them representing probably on the committee. Well, we are missing one person. And unfortunately, she's not here to hear the interviews. Mark, Marky. So whether we want to try to vote again, and one of those changes changes or we just try to you know we vote when Marky's here. Yeah. John? I would just advise you that meetings are for the people that are at the meetings and you can't put off decisions. Right. So she won't have the benefit of being put you just receive right exactly I'm okay with inviting both of them I mean why not I mean it's gonna it's a short-term task force and it's not going to exist more than just that and then they can get down to see yeah and I guess my feeling is I know who the facilitator is that she's incredibly able so I think we just find. So I think that's okay to have the two people then. I really don't want to ask this all but who's going to change our vote? I think that they're both talented people. They both seem like great candidates. I think they both be great assets to the committee. Okay, let's do that then. I tell the exclusion of either one of them. Right. Okay. Ready. Let's go ahead and tell them. Yeah, if they're out there, let's let them... Well, actually, if they're both there, won't you invite them in? Yes. Good job. Good job. Don't, don't, don't. It's all about flexibility. Very good. Hello, Jack. Come step down here next to the microphone. Or in front of the microphone. Yeah, I get some things that you guys might be interested in. What's the conversation here? You can't give him things. No, he's selling those. That's okay. He can't give them things. That's right. Good boy, John. Sticker. That's right. Good point, John. Pick her. We're allowed. I like it. Here we go. Welcome, Jack. Thank you for spending the time and getting involved in this. We really appreciate your time and your interest in this, because we believe this is a turning point, or a new point in time for S. Village Village and make the best of it whatever way we can. Tell us a little bit, we've got your packet here and read that and heard you for a while and all that. Tell us and the people on TV land why you should be selected for the citizen at large position? Then we'll ask you some questions. Sure. And part of my talents that I can bring to the table for this are partly what I do for a living as a for an ankle specialist up here in the village. And for some of you guys who know what I do, I build custom orthotics, custom fit ski boots. What I was trained to do originally way back when was to actually take casts and molds of feet for replication to build custom shoes, custom braces for shoes and so forth. So part of what I brought here is the props. And some of what I would ask you guys is do you realize what it entails to go from the plaster version of this to the cast version of this to the replication of whatever it is that you're going to try to build. And from what I understand is that all of the castings that were taken of the bones are the plaster molds. And that's what you guys have signed up for with the museum. If I'm incorrect, let me know. There's a process that it takes to go from a cast replica of a whatever it is, bone tooth, foot, to a workable mold that you can use to reproduce what you want to reproduce in the long run. And it can be a very time-involved process. It can be a very expensive process. But it's something that I am familiar with from a different context of my business. Having said that, and that's one segment of this, the other thing is that I have a background in teaching. I go around the world, and I teach the skill of doing this in the sports medicine realm. So I work with orthopedic surgeons, pediatrist, physical therapists, and so forth. But I usually play to an audience of 120 people and actually teach the skill that makes this a viable entity. Aside from that, I've been in the ski industry for 35 years. I've lived up in Snowmass and in the valley for over 35 years and I think I know the place pretty well and know the pulse of the people. So I appreciate what it takes to keep the businesses alive in the village. I appreciate the significance of this particular fine, certainly as it pertains to snowmats in its future. So from a number of different things, I've got a pulse on a few different aspects of this that I think I can contribute to in the long run. Thank you. Jason? I'm sure. Let's start at that end of the table of time. Fred! Jack, your entrepreneurial skills are evident all over town. I guess my question to you is how would you use them or rather what do you envision snow mass doing with these bones in an entrepreneurial fashion? By entrepreneurial I mean attracting people here. Sure, how do we capitalize on what this really means? Because it's somewhat opposed or just outside the realm of what snowmass has been all about all of these years. So I see snowmass as having somewhat of a dual identity. One is being the little sister of the Aspen skiing company and one is trying to develop snowmass villages as standalone entity. And using this is the springboard to that stand alone position. First and foremost, filling the beds, filling the restaurants, filling the retail establishments in not only the shoulder seasons, but the summer seasons with a completely different kind of clientele than what we typically play to. So right now, our bread and butter season is winter skiers. Our summer season is basically bread and butter for music and mountain biking and things of that nature. But now we have an opportunity to play to a whole different audience for a whole different reason, which could really become our shoulder season filler in the long run. So the entrepreneurial side of it sure I got hats and t-shirts and stuff going, which has just been fun really for that part of it. But really what my focus would be to find a way to make this work for the village to help fill the beds and fill the businesses on a year-round basis. And I think we've been struggling with it for a long time, that there's just not enough to keep snow mass chugging along through those shoulder seasons. And now this could be an opportunity to do so. A noble goal. Tryin'. John, thank you. Yeah. It's just reported on CNN that scientists from Japan are going to extract DNA from a mammoth carcass and try to insert it into egg embryo of an African elephant. Ethical or unethical? Wow! If snowmasked have a petting zoo of little baby maths and mammoths, let's have them produce a pretty variety and we can put him down in the rodeo lot. Stead of complotive factors. Yeah, instead of cibloony dogs like hygiene, they have mammoth rides. Well, from the science side of things, the potential for the whole DNA viability thing is just off the hook. From what little I know of it and what little of research, it's a pretty amazing find. And potentially, I mean, I think that the whole global warming thing is a much more pertinent subject to this discovery, you know, absolutely. As far as ethical or unethical. Okay. One of the things that I'd actually have to actually have to me call me to say hey support Jack And I had to tell them that I was having a little difficult time with that Specifically because you are into a business model already. It's not like you're gonna be making you know big dollars out of this thing I understand that but I'm making big shirts and I got one for you But part of the thing is, you know, what do you use? This group is really designed, I think, in my mind to put together a business plan, a model of what, you know, the future holds. What are we looking at something fairly small and, you know, inconsequential? Or are we trying to really do something that's a draw? Some people have said, well, you're trying to do this as an educational program, or you're just really trying to do this to drive business to snowmats. From me, myself, personally? In general, in snowmats village, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. General, I'm sorry. is going to be a benefit for every business owner in this at this end of the valley. How you take this particular discovery and turn that into warm beds and warm plates in the restaurants is a task. No question about it. I don't think that the little stuff, the little inconsequential stuff, the hats and the t-shirts is obviously not the big focus here. But the science potential, which I think we all are essentially neophytes compared to the guys that really know what's going on, and the time frame that this will cover, which could be up to a 10 year plan, let's say, is going to give snowmass an opportunity to build a conference business based on completely other things than summer and winter recreation, which is really our focus. It always has been whether you throw music into that mix or not. Snowmass is a recreation resort as is asked and as is most of the rec the recreation of the resorts in the West. There's some place like Mammoth Lakes in California capitalized on that particular connection and built their recreation resort around that, where we're sort of in the reverse mold, where we have our recreation already in place, and now we can build a model based on how do we take you know this particular find and turn it into a university study junket you know you put out the word all the way around the world and say if you have a grant and you have a paleontology department this is where you want to come and this is how long you want to stay here to do it. So I find, and here's a question for you guys really, from what I understand, the state is in an ownership position of the resource as a subsurface resource, correct? And then the water district is in the second position of how do we manage this, which they want to abdicate to the town council and the snowman. Because there's so many different players involved here that whatever marketing track this takes is going to have to be worked out with the exploration of the science. So do we put the cork back in the dam and fill it up with water for five years and then drain it and dig up some more as the science evolved? And that was the sense that I got from Dr. Lawrence. I'm Dr. Johnson rather. But that doesn't necessarily play well to, you know, exploiting it as a year-round type of phenomenon. So at the last meeting I had heard Marky talk about, you know, do we build a $20 million building to house this as a museum up here. Do we get into a position where we have preservation of the bones in a, you know, environmentally sound way or anything like that? And I, well, I could see that as being a draw. I think it's, it would be, um, bite enough more than we can chew. And not necessarily giving us the return that we're looking for. You know, I think that building it and incorporating it into the trail systems, into the retail environment, into the ski school, into the parks, you know, the recreation department. I mean, there's so many different ways that this thing could kind of finger out and touch little aspects of stoma as all over so that everybody does well with it. You know, everything from the Little Red School House to the Recreation Department to what happens up on the mountain. And my own personal feeling is that if it was done in such a way where as you had your summertime trail map, and if you wanted to hear about this, you had to go down to this end of the village. And then if you wanted to hear about that, you had to go up to this end of the village. And then if you wanted to hear about that, you had to go up to that part of the village. So it could actually be a way to move people around that have an interest in this, or like I said, make it like an enticement to go travel around the village and try the different trail systems, whether it be mountain bike hiking or whatever the case is. And even in the winter time, I mean, I thought about this in the beginning of the season where Cribloonit could be running dog sleds up there. They could be a snowcat going up that road, and it's not so much that you have to specifically point to something in the ground that go, there's a bone, you turn around and you look at mountain dail in, you go, this is where the ice age, you know, existed right here, you know, and you give them sort of the much broader view. But there's ways of doing that and just, you know, really open it up to the tourist traffic. So that's kind of my short-term, long-term look at it. Okay. Thank you. Jason? I'm hearing a lot of emphasis on kind of the capitalizing on the commercial opportunities associated with this fine. And, you know, I think we all recognize that there's a real opportunity there in terms of this committee we've created a marketing seat specifically for that. In terms of the citizen at large position, to me I think there's an interest in seeing a balanced perspective. Obviously there's benefit to the commercial sector here. But in terms of the community at large looking at beyond those implications, is there an opportunity to add richness just from the perspective of living and whether full-time or part-time residents experience here in the village. And I know you're familiar with those types of amenities. The ice rink, I think, is a great example. It doesn't have really that commercial benefit necessarily. But it is a great enrichment to the community. Do you see opportunities around that kind of concept? Well, the question would be, what do you envision the citizen at large is positioned within this committee to offer? I mean, you have science, you have finance, and so on, and education. But the citizen at large, I mean, you have science, you have finance, and so on, and education. But, you know, the citizen at large, I think, is going to be the person that says, all right, for the community of snowmats, like you say, for the ice rink. Certainly not everybody in snowmats, ice skates. But the ice rink is an amenity that is there for everybody to enjoy pretty much is on a common-go basis, you basis. So there's no fee attached to it. There's no expectations of anything other than just show up, have fun, turn out the lights when you go home and have a good time. I think just to give you a little bit of more background, I did four years on Carbondale's Park and REC board. So I kind of know the lay of the land when it comes to doing trail easements and that kind of thing. And I think that there's certainly a position where the citizen at large would have an input to say, all right, do we go and negotiate with the zigglers and get an easement to walk up that road in the summertime or build a trail through that kind of thing. So I think the citizen at large ends up being a liaison to the community and picking up community input to apply back to the committee and so on and so on. And I've had some citizen input, you know, from up at the store saying, you know, that's what we'd like to see you do if you get in this type of thing. I think it's the levensons that have the next house up the hill from the sigloos. They were the ones that made it, they made it a point to say something to me. So, you know, I think there's enough community input already that, you know, everybody realizes that this should really work out to our benefit in the long run. How, I think, that's what the task force is task force with, you know. So, very good. Staff, any other questions that we haven't thought of? Any other questions that we haven't thought of? Jack any other questions that you'd like to ask of us? No, other than the fact, what would your expectations be of the citizen at large? I mean, it seems like the other positions are fairly well defined in what their job would be in this committee. But the citizen at large is sort of, you know, you tell me. I think, go ahead. Well, I think you said a check. I think your job is to represent the snow mass community, both business and residential, and be sure that whatever ultimately takes place benefits the residents, benefits this community as a whole. So that's what I see you doing. John, do you have anything different? No. Okay. Yeah, I think just to add to that, I think this position is a little more nebulous in terms of the other seats are, you know, the fine rolls. The marketing seat just has to, you know, they're focused on pushing that. This has to be a little bit more of a balanced perspective, I think, in terms of, you know, there might be some ideas that are purely beneficial from a capitalizing standpoint and from a commercial standpoint, but there might be negative aspects of that from a community standpoint. And I would want to see that perspective brought to the table in this position. commercial standpoint, but there might be negative aspects of that from a community standpoint. I would want to see that perspective brought to the table in this position. And I think it all has to be blended, you know, but I would say that there is a certain sense of urgency before the spring summer marketing plan really gets implemented. That this has to be integrated, you know, I mean, even in a very simplistic way, if you end up having summer camps that are geared around this, you know, I mean, even in a very simplistic way, if you end up having summer camps that are geared around this, you know, and like I say, you put out the word in a completely different kind of marketing platform other than recreational sports or music or any of those other types of things that you go after the science community, you go after a community that's got a lot of, you know, grant dollars that are available to them and you give them a product that they can really sink their teeth into. And again, I don't know if that's really the citizen at large's position or just take that as input from that side of the thing. But I think I've got a good enough finger on the pulse of what goes on around this village to, you know, I got a pretty good feel for what happens around here. Just to all of, you know, being in the shop and getting so many different people coming through and expressing their opinions, and it's kind of a, it's a unique meeting place up there. Well, I may have to change my opinion when I told somebody else a few weeks ago and they suggested I support you. And I know. You're on my list so thank you. Yep, my pleasure. If you would mind sending Miss Doyle, Colleen and. Okay, very good. Thanks, yeah. And we'll let you know, Jack, what you know, I guess one question we didn't ask you and I think you do understand the amount of time involved and putting this in this task force. You know, two meetings a month for four months and you can do that. You can do that. You can do that. You can do that. You can do that. You can do that. You can do that. You can do that. You can do that. You can do that. You can do that. You can do that. You can do that. You can do that. this weekend they used it today a lot yeah four they weekend so the kids we just yeah and we can tell when we get down there we can tell how much it's yeah so would you like a I will how much is that I'll buy one no no no I I have we should do any wheelie and daily We've been actually a little subliminal message in there as well. We can have that on. Very good. Hello, Colleen. Hi. Thanks for coming and putting all your time in that you have at this point. I'm glad we're here. Yeah, you know, it's taken a little longer than maybe it was initially thought would take. One of the things that we're looking at doing is trying to spend about four months with two meetings a month putting this together, this task force to build a business plan and try to take a stab at what the future of this project holds. With that said, how is that going to affect your time participated? your time participated? As I stated in one of the parts of the application, this is such an important part that that's not going to be a problem I commit to that. And I don't know how much you've extrapolated from all of the information I provided, but I actually was working for a local nonprofit up until very recently and did that for several years and made that work as well. So I have a track record of being able to, you know, honor those commitments and be here as needed and commit to doing that as well. Very good, yeah. We're also contemplating the idea of allowing, you know, working with technology. So if something reason, you know, the committee decides to set up meeting that you're not here, we're hoping that you're going to allow phone conferencing or be describing whatever we can put together. I appreciate that. And I've done a lot of that just working with the local nonprofit as well virtually. And I think that's important because we know that the input from the museum may not always be local as well. OK. Is there anything else you want to let us know a little bit more about what you put in your applications for the people at TV and those of us here who have read this, make why you're looking at doing this again, basically. Why you're looking at being in the task force? Well, I guess, um, couple areas and we've had a couple conversations and a couple of those have been with the prior to the Council as well. So please let me know, um, if you have any questions from those, I know Billy and John have heard those, but other ways just ask. But I bring the vision and share the vision of the town of Snowmass within a couple of days of this discovery. I had already emailed the former town council with the idea. And then that shows not only my vision and the community centric focus of my vision. Snowmass has always been a very important part of my life and part of what I have committed to doing in terms of community service as well. But also a very proactive strategic and forward thinking way as well. And I see this as a wonderful opportunity for Snowmass. And I'll come back to that. But that's the vision, the proactive, and the strategic and forward thinking are part of why I brought this idea to you long ago. The other things that I have thought about is issue spotting one of my strengths analysis problem solving and consensus building as well. What I can bring to this committee, the same that I had done in October, November when Council and staff thought this might be a little bit of a premature idea and we're seeing obstacles. And the meeting that we had, I think it was November 15th. Part of that process showed a lot of my strengths in being able to see what the issues were, build the consensus with Council and staff, and also problem solve, extemporaneously as well as, you know, having thought about problems and going forward as well. So I think all of those strengths of mine will contribute to what the committee or the task force, I guess I should refer to it at, will be doing and I can add in all of those areas. And then I know Fred has talked a lot, or maybe a lot, maybe too much, but has brought up the idea of synergy or my term of synergy. But what else can somebody bring to the position other than what the application looks for for the citizen at large position? And with me, you're not only getting my role in the community, but you're also bringing in so much more than that. Basically basically the sum is more than the parts So what I have done in terms of my experience with you know working in Science and education locally. I worked with the Espon Science Center for a couple of years and volunteered with them for many more before that So you'll be bringing all of those experiences and contacts as well in I'm very glad to be here with you. I'm very glad to be here with you. I'm very glad to be here with you. I'm very glad to be here with you. I'm very glad to be here with you. I'm very glad to be here with you. I'm very glad to be here with you. I'm very glad to be here with you. I'm very glad to be here with you. I'm very glad to be here with you. I'm very glad to be here shorts working on some model science curriculum initiatives in the state of Colorado as well bringing those experiences. I was also have done a lot in terms of working with CU Boulder as well. I don't know if you received this. I had put it in one of the parts of the packet, but there was actually an article in the daily up in Boulder as well as another paper up in daily, but talking about some of the work that we had done in terms of science and education. I had actually arranged for some minority students that we brought in through the Espen Science Center. They came for five weeks every summer to focus on science, math, and English and college planning. Stayed in carbon-dale at CRMS, and English and college planning stayed in carbon Dale at CRMS and one of the things that I did when I was running that program was a range for them to go up to CU Boulder. For most of those 45 students, it was the first time they had ever been on a college campus and they spent the entire day they met with the director of admissions. I worked with Kathy Glue, who knew him. Then they toured the campus. Then they met with originally two professors of physics there. They actually sat in the large lecture hall. These are 45 kids who have never seen a college campus. They actually, they were high school students. They actually got the clickers that started because of Nobel laureate Carl Weiman at CU Boulder. They hand in about the clickers. They had like a mini lecture. They got to see what it would be like to sit in a college science class. And then they went on and they had arranged for approximately 30 different labs. So they met all of the different professors, postdocs, grad students and undergrads who are working in labs to see what other opportunities there are if they go to science. Then we went over to LASP and I can remember the acronym, the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics. They got to touch things that had already been in space. They got to see the machine workshop. So basically what we did was gave the kids the opportunity in an informal way to also see what the formal side of learning and science was and excited them about not only science but college. So that's just one kind of example of some of the things that I've been doing and some of the experiences that I would bring to the test for us. And Minnesota, I've also worked, I hadn't had a lot of contacts. I've worked on trying to get a science and math academy started in snowmass or excuse me in Minnesota working with everyone from the governor's level to the legislature. Got a couple of bills, worked on a couple bills that ended up being passed in Minnesota legislature. Worked in gifted education, putting together some science classes. Then at the national level, I've also, you know, I've worked with Obama's chief science advisor, brought him to Aspen, talked to him about science education reform and what President Obama wanted to see, talked to the American Academy for the advancement of science or education person about science education reform and some of her ideas have written a grant to the NSF on very similar issues on informal science education and looking at how kids learn and having the funding for that. So in my position of being on the committee if you select me I would bring all of this experience and all of these context to exactly that. Knowing that the way that I'm looking at this is that everyone has talked a lot about what benefits snowmass here. I don't think it's just limited to what snowmess gets out of this. I think snowmass just limited to what Snowmask gets out of this. I think Snowmask has a responsibility here to tell the story, to share what we know and what we learn and what we're going to discover. And then to work towards science, education, and science, literacy. A lot of people say to me when I talk about that, well, my child wants to go into English, my child wants to go into computer science or technology or journalism. And my reply is that we need a scientifically literate, electorate in order to understand a lot of what we're dealing with right now. So I know Jason's working with CORE, and if you're talking global warming and climate change, if you have an electorate that can't understand the data, we're no better off than we were 10 years ago. So that's part of the responsibility I think SNOMAS here is to develop that science literacy as well and we have that opportunity. So telling the story is sharing the science education literacy but also to advancing science as well. So I see the community responsibility as well as the benefits that we can get. And I think the benefits are pretty obvious, especially with where we're at in Snowmass. And the Renaissance not going on the same schedule that we had originally thought with base village and other things coming online. I think this is an opportunity to bring in multiple groups, you know, from not only children for educational programs, not just a science center that people are going to visit, but you're talking about bringing in scientists for workshops even. You know, I know we have a high energy physics workshops that are here every couple of years. That type of program can be expanded exponentially. You know, the Aspen Center for Physics that I worked closely with in my job does that, but they're limited to physicists. We have the opportunity here to bring in every possible group of scientists as well. You know, you're letters, states, things like, you know, not just limited to paleontology and stuff. Exactly. We appreciate that. One of the questions I had, we're going to get a few questions here, then we'll let you ask us something, is what is a science cafe? It's not a place where you go buy some strange brew tea, is it not? No, actually, I was just talking with Russ about this. You could, yes, yes, you could have the t-shirts, but it's actually a very exciting idea that's come about in the science and informal science education field as a way for scientists to engage the public, both adults and children, some just do adults and some involve families, but it's a way to engage the public and excite them about the wonders of science. So many museums, some colleges like the University of Minnesota also does this. They arrange for a scientist to come and have an informal discussion so there might be a presentation or a talk slides exhibits or anything. And then you open it up to a very interactive dialogue after that. And it may, you know, I've seen some that are actually set up where they'll have stools and cafe tables and cookies and things. And then the scientists will actually walk around too and engage one and one as well. So that's one opportunity that we could do here very easily. I know Dr. Ian Miller, we had talked about doing because is connection to SNOMAS Village. That can be something that's set up immediately, but also continue through, if you look on a little research on the Denver Museum. And they actually have, I think, they call it science lounges, very similar. But this is very popular. They actually, it's exciting to me because it's actually exciting adults as well, not just kids. So like the University of Minnesota's are limited to adults in the ones that they do, but this we could combine to whatever our tone aspiration is. Very good. John, you want to ask a question or two? Where do you see this as for us a year from now? What do you envision where we will be at? A year from now and maybe three years from now. I see the task force as a transitional vehicle to seek the input and expertise and kind of coalesce or assimilate it and then report back to council with recommendations. And then whether council chooses to continue the task force in that role or to have more of an advisory board. But whether the task force or the advisory board would help implement it, I guess that is up to you. Ideally, I think it would be in the best interest of the community if that continues not only to the recommendations to consult but also the implementation. So within six months or so if the recommendations are made then it would switch to more of a implementation stage. And I think that's going to be too pronged. One will be the transitional and the other will be more of a long term. Transitional I see a transitional type of center and I've talked to Russ about this and have talked to Related Westpac had made an early potential commitment for space as well So some type of center with science care phase that we can put up quickly programs, etc And continuing that until a more long-term center with the fundraising that would be going on and getting that in place And then I think the long-term center Will be in phases as well because you start out with some building. It has to be done in thoughtful steps of building with some of the programs, et cetera, bringing in some of the different groups of scientists, the families. And then one of the areas where I'm very excited, but I think it would be a few years down, maybe three years down the road. You'd start the grant application process before then. But there is an area called Informal Science and Formal Science. So there are two separate and formal sciences, basically, Museum, Formal Sciences, basically, school. And one of the things that I talked about in my NSF grant application that I've written that hadn't been addressed is how does informal science inform formal science. We have the potential here in snowmass because this is a new center. And we're forward thinking to be looking at that idea as we're planning. Can we, when we're putting in this center, also build within it a way to look at how it is in formal science, make it better for the kids at Aspen High School or Carbondale or CRMS, better learn in the classroom as well. So I think that's a more long term. The same thing along with the next big funding area is how do people learn science? It's a little similar, but a little different as well. They're actually the NSF is funding heavily cognitive science research. There's a place out in Seattle or near Seattle where Professor Bell is working at specifically understanding what is happening in the brain as we're doing this. So if we can look at this as well because basically we're starting all these programs. If you tie in a researcher and evaluation or metric component of that, you're bringing in more funding here, you're advancing science more and then helping the students to better understand and better learn as we go forward in the teachers to better plan You know how to teach it as well. So I see it as a very thoughtful multiple phase project Colleen your application is for a citizen at large right and I've heard Most of what you have been saying is related to education. I envision the citizen at large is one who represents the interests of the citizens of snowmass, both part time resident, full time resident, commercial and otherwise, commercial and not commercial residents. So my question to you is how are you going to represent those interests? I appreciate your question because yes, that's what I've been dealing with before, but part of that was because of this synergy. But I chose the citizen at large position because I have been such a long-term member of the community. And I think that that's where another area of my strength fly that I know people who have been at part of this community for 30 plus years. Full-timers, part-timers, part-timers who became full-timers, part-timers who are going to become full-timers in the very near future and have done a lot of community service in order to not only understand where the full-time and and part time residents and the community think, but also to understand what the town, the town staff is. So I've been on the part time residents advisory board since its inception. I was also a member of the financial advisory board as well. I participated in a lot of the meetings that ended up with creating the REOP program and participated in the community service or the, excuse me, comprehensive plan meetings as well. So as a citizen at large, I can bring all of that together and assimilate the community input, you know, having talked to the community, having the forums, the ideas I laid forth here doing the surveys, bringing the communities input in, bringing the business and aspect of that as well, having met and knowing many of the retailers and business professionals in town. And then also understanding having gone through the comprehensive plan process and the re-out plan process, but understanding what the town's goals and aspirations are as well. So kind of coalescing all of that and bringing that back to council and not only a one-way street, but I think it needs to be a two-way street as well. Council needs to understand what the community and the business input is, but the community and the business interests also need to understand what council is doing as well. And that's similar to what we do at the Part-time Residence Board. You know, it's not just us finding out with the Part-time Residence and, you know, conveying it to council, but then we bring it back. And that way, the community feels like it's part of this entire process. Thank you. Jason. I don't think I have any questions. Thank you. Jason. I don't think I have any questions. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah, I think your application speaks to a number of things we've all been asking. So, yeah, don't have any other specifics. You know, you're hitting a lot of the questions we've've already asked. So thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks, Colleen. Thanks. Thanks. Colleen, do you have any other questions of us? I forgot to ask you that. I don't have any other questions. I would like to just encourage you to consider having both the part time and the full time, even though I have been a part of the part time community and have actually, you know, worked in the area as well. So I understand, you know, the employers and employees position as well and understand and know many part timers who become full timers. I think it's important from a community aspect that we realize that we're a cohesive community and also communicate that back to the community as well. So I think that would tell the community that. I definitely think we're going to have a difficult time making decisions this evening, but. Understandable. Thank you very much. Thank you. I guess we have Janice or Chuck. Any again just for council. Do you have a couple follow up questions kind of on this topic. Once you're all done. Hello, this is Janice. It comes up forward and sitting in front of the microphone for our TV viewers. There should be some right in front of you. It's been a long time out there. Okay. So, you appreciate you putting the time and energy in and putting this application together and doing all the things you have done with your, you know, wild heartbook and all those energies and we appreciate you looking at being involved in this. Give us a little bit of an overview of why you believe that we should select you for this position? Well, ideally, I would have liked to have been part of the Education Committee, but I don't, the Education seat. I don't really have the qualifications for that because I don't have a background in school or like with ACEs creating those programs. So I was trying to think what would I, what would I like to do? And of course, you would think my main interest would be in science and in the biology or the botany aspects of it. But just being here for 40 years, I really do have an interest in the community as well. And it's sort of like the ideal situation for me when this happened. It was what I had always dreamed of happening. Having something happen that would create a more complex history for is another side of the valley instead of just the scheme. And I really think that this has done it. I mean, the people at the museum and USGS have told me that they think it's the most exciting thing that's ever happened to Colorado. And the opportunities there to find out what they have never known before, what life was like at an elevation, like 8,900 feet where the pond is. It's just incredible what we can come out of it. And I think with my science background and my background also in development, I mean, not that I would love to be in business anymore, but I was in business for many, many years. And so I think I have a varied enough background to address all aspects. And I think that that's what the committees for is to help find the people that can do what is needed for whatever path we decide to travel to help both the economy of SNOMAS and develop the educational side of this. And I think I can do that. I think I can help. And I know a lot of people here, a lot of people know me. And I think that I can that. I think I can help. And I know a lot of people here, a lot of people know me. And I think that I can help bring the right people together. And I'm used from development with my family in Texas for a few years that I was gone from Snowmass. You know, I learned a lot about bringing together contractors and people and other people with ideas in marketing or education. And even when I had the job at the Crestwood to create a unit improvement coordinator position, they just gave me a room and said, here, make this position, fix this up, do this. And so I did all that. And then when the town gave me the job to create the book, I started with a blank sheet of paper and put all that together and did the production and the writing and the photography and put together the editors and the graphic people. So I think that's my main strength is that I have a background in science to start with and a background in business. And I've done a lot of things that bring people together like that. So that would and because I'm really excited about it and I've lived here 40 years and it makes me want to do it. It's good. The idea of what this task slash task force should be is, in my mind, putting together a business plan for what the future project should entail, what should we be doing. What is your vision of what at the end of the day, what this big mammoth project should be. Well, I wouldn't want to tell you everything, but I would think that my vision, of course, would involve, and I think most everyone does, a place where we can attract visitors. And I know there's a lot of thought about a museum. I almost am thinking that it should be more in several places just to move people around. I see that as we move forward and raise money, that there's a whole aspect of marketing that's real important. And our biggest thing is to attract people to snowmass that will come back again. I think once people come here, they always, they come back. I think they love it so much. It's like we do that. Our biggest job is to get them here. And I think this gives us an added attraction in the summer that's very important. So I think in the business plan, we would have to work on, you know, the marketing aspect. But I also see it going somewhere that we're addressing an interest that bring families together. And right now we have a lot of things going on, you know, whether it's biking or rafting or whatever. But this is something that really brings families together for education, no reasons to go somewhere together to learn, and whatever we've been doing temporarily, we would need that in the business plan temporarily, what we're going to do until there is some more permanent facility. But I just think that it's real important to focus on how we're going to get people to snowmass and then how we're going to help educate them about what happened and that whatever we do is central so that it's very visible to everyone. And I think we have incredible talent as we've seen from all the creations that some of these people have come up with to spread the word and get it out there in the mall or the grocery store or the drug store and have people say, well, what is this about? You know, where can I go learn more? And I guess another thing would be whatever we do this in a building, you know, we try to get a nature center once and that was really important to me and we didn't. So maybe somewhere down the line, this discovery will help us get something that's along the line of what I thought for saw before happening but also discussing this incredible, high standard we now know about and what we're going to learn about ecologically and what they're learning about the vegetation and things are just amazing and how they're gonna, and the age of things or the age that they really don't know yet, but that it's going to create phenomenal opportunities. Very good. Chase? Like a couple of the things that you said and your answers, especially the idea of, you know, as the, in the citizen at large position, you know, the role of that position is to bring community interest to bear on the function of this committee. And obviously those have very targeted and specific roles in the other seats. And so the role of this position is to be a more broad representation of the community. And so I want to hear a little bit about how you'll solicit kind of input from different segments of the community. But also I like what you said about that idea of coming into this without the preconceived notions and being really open-minded and listening. Listen, listen, listen. Yeah, I think that's really an important role for this citizen at large. Well, I have a lot of opportunity to talk to people. It's because of wild at heart, leading hikes. And I am gone sometimes during the summer because I work for CSU and the Colorado Natural Heritage Program. But I'm here a lot, I only work part time and I'm also working for ACEs. So I feel like I have a lot of opportunity there. But of course, I think we need a web, and I heard Susan say that we were going to have a website or we already have a website. I don't know if it's fully developed yet, but that we put a place there for people to respond, to answer questions to give their input, even writing the chair lift the other day. You know, I was so impressed with this couple that lives here part time and they were, you know, all over it, they were so excited and they definitely had ideas that were yes or no about each thing that we might do. So I think it's very important that people that have lived here a long time, that have a strong interest in the community and will put the time into it, will help educate people about what's really happening and what choices are really there. We can find out what they want to do by giving the opportunity to, you know, at first I was thinking of drop box in the grocery store, but in our high tech society, you know, they can just go to the website and fill out a form and tell us what they think. And so I think there's a lot of opportunity to find out what people think that way and then to get into discussions with them. And then, of course, everybody's going to be talking to people on the chair lifts and the mall, whatever we do with work. And I just think there's a lot of opportunity there. And I think I could do that. I don't mind talking. I may get nervous, but I never stop talking. So. Okay. John Wilkinson. You put out that book at the town health support wild at heart, which is a great guide for our area. And I really appreciate the work you put into that. As a result of that, what do you see are the main challenges in terms of getting the word out to the public. And what do you see is some of the opportunities that we may have as a result of this. Well, I'm Arkey. Hi, the audience. I just think that a lot of what I just said, but on the other side getting the word out to people and I think what Jack has done and what Chuck has done in Linda and a lot of people that are working on all these things to get people asking what's going on is important. But I also think we need something to give people, you know, like a small brochure or a small booklet and we need to put all that together to tell them about the history of snowmass and how this is all incorporated and how it happened. And the museum in USGS says that may not happen for a couple of years that we know enough to really put all that together. But we could put together something temporary even on the order of a small brochure before we ever did something else on more of a permanent booklet saying that we would use to give people if we had museums or one museum or centers or whatever. And I just think that my background is mainly in science. And so that would be my, the thing would be most important to me, would be to get something out to people so they can sit down and study it and look at it and we put it in all the hotels and we can put it in Sundance everywhere where people go publicly. So, and of course, you know, I would love to help do that. So, that would probably be one of my main things. And when I rewrite Wild at Heart, put that in there. Some of the residents of Snowmass own lodges, own restaurants, own stores. How are you going to represent their interests? First, I would think you'd have to talk to them and find out what their interests are. And let's assume their interests are in filling the lodges, having people at the restaurants and having people buying in the stores. Well, that's what I was talking about on marketing and things and getting people here and having a draw in the summer because I honestly don't think that we've had enough of a draw in the summer and I think this gives us a better balance. Not that people won't come in the winter to look also. But that is one of my main concerns, because I do have a passion for snowmass as well as for science. And I've lived here a really long time, and I see what the off seasons are like, and I see what the seasons are like when people are struggling. And I know a lot of business owners. And so I want that more than anything. And I used to work for a large several times in my 40 years here. So I would like to see the marketing and whatever we do, bring people here so that they, like I said earlier, they become attached to snowmats. That they can't, you know, they always want to come back. And so they help fill those lodge rooms and provide business for those business owners on a longer term basis than we currently get. And I think that because this historical find is something that so interest people, that is because it's family oriented more than single oriented. I think we'll have a better opportunity to bring people for those live rooms and to buy things for the businesses. And I think we'll bring more families that have the ability, the money to bring their families and be those guys that go out and purchase and stay in the lodges. So I think it's getting the people here and making them fall in love with snowmats. And I think this is one of the best opportunities we've ever had to do that. Thank you. And there's one other thing I wanted to say and I forgot, I forgot which question it went with. But whatever we do that is in a building and where we have these displays of the replicas of the bones, however, those come about. And whatever we find out about the ecology and we're able to build the dioramas or do whatever we do to make things really fascinating for children as well as adults. Is that we also find ways to get people out in nature and feeling the excitement themselves of the animals that the mammals that walked this land and like we do when we're out there now and we think, wow, you who's footsteps are we covering now? And get, find a way whether we certainly don't want to intrude on private property rights or anything, but find some way whether it's on the hill at the top of Sam's knob, somewhere where we can get people out, let them see where all these things came from. And I just hope you remember that in the process of there you go. Whatever happens. Anybody else have any questions? I'm Mark, he's here a little late and I was given the opportunity to ask a question, but she sort of said that you know. I didn't hear the other question, so. Any other questions? So, what do you have anything you want to, you know, you think of? What we're under now, we're going to let Janice ask, you know, if you have any questions, Janice, of us, the timing that we're looking for, as you know, is about four months, two meetings a month, potential trip to Denver to talk to the museum, see what they have, see what their exhibits they have, that they may be willing to lend us if we have a facility that we can put together real quick, like this winner. I would love to do. So those folks are coming next week, but do you have anything? Well, my schedule is pretty flexible. All I need to do is know in advance, and then I can arrange things around that. The only time that I am definitely going to be gone is for my dad's 85th birthday, which is January 30th through February 7th. Other than that, I have, and George gets a new replacement in May, other than that, I'll be here until June 1st. And then I'll be here part time, just traveling in my little trailer. And hopefully we're allowed, you know, talking about if you happen to be gone, there is a meeting that maybe you could participate via teleconference, Skype or telephone. Yeah, that was the issue. But most of the time I can plan around it. Good. Are you? Go ahead. You know what I mean. I can't. I'll give you the opportunity. Now you jump in there. I tell you. I'll tell you. Janice, you just mentioned CSU, and I know that you've done quite a bit with CSU. As you look at the universities around our state, to what extent do you think that we can get some excitement from our various community colleges and our four-year programs and graduate programs? And how could you help influence that? You would come in late and ask the hardest question. Well you know there's definitely a lot of people to talk to at CSU that have good ideas about things like that and they have the contacts you need to work with different people. And since we have CMC here they also have contacts with different people. And since we had CMC here, they also have contacts with different people that could include all that information within the classes they already have at those universities. And primarily, the group that I work with, they call out a natural heritage program at CSU, is more for research on rare plants, mammals, birds, insects, you know, the whole gamut of different types of species, not so much in the historical range. But I know that that's where you have the wealth of people who are so excited about research and are so interested in what happened in the past and how they can spread that to the younger generation. So I think there is a lot of chance to do something there as we go forward. But after they find out more of what really did happen at that site, you know, they're still speculating on the ages and what really went on. And there's a lot of research to do yet. And there was just a guy, just a guy recently who took, and this is such a fascinating thing, who took the parts of insects back to England when he was here and has been able to figure out to genus and species what some of those insects were, and that tells them more about the environment back then. And that's what has so excited the museum and the USGS is that is a site like this at this elevation what they can discover. And just that little piece is just fascinating. You know, that out of little pieces of what they found, he can determine those things. Very good. Thank you, Jones. Thanks, Jones. Yeah, we're one more interview and we'll go from there. OK, thanks you guys for considering me. And of course, I'll always stay involved anyway, but I appreciate the chance. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good luck. And I hope you read all that stuff. Yeah, you guys all wrote quite a bit. Very nice. I'm really. What we did was we selected both people. I Hello, Mr. Chuck Good right there in front of the microphone Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. for the Ice Age Discovery Committee. And these are just some things later that some people gave me. Give me a second here. Okay. Thanks. So Chuck, thanks for spending your time and putting it together. This great information booklet that we've seen and read a couple of times. And you definitely have a lot of energy. We appreciate that. We believe that this is a task force is really to start off the process of what does this village do with the fines? Where do we go from here? And so we're hoping that you give us a few minutes up front, but it's no what your thoughts are and condense a little bit of your story. And then we'll ask you some questions and we'll give you the opportunity to ask us a question back if we haven't got something going on. But the first part of it is you understand that this is the task force is to put together a business plan and the idea is probably like four months worth of meetings, two meetings a month, and are those things that you have the ability to work with? Yes. First of all, I would like to give you a little demonstration of something that I invented this morning. You know, we're such a friendly town that we should have a new way of saying hello to each other. So I invented the the man with greeting. Okay. And it goes like this. Very good. Yes, I can meet all those requirements. Okay. That's what I heard in the hallway. Yeah. Yeah. You were practicing. Yeah, I've been practicing all day. So tell us why we should select you for this task force. Tusk Force. Well, my goal as the citizen at large on the task force is to make Snowman's village the most paleontologically astute and educated community in the United States. That having been said, that's my personal goal. I made some notes this morning of things that I might like to talk about. First, I want to recognize- Well, by the way, let me tell you the 15 minutes. I can get through that. I wanted to recognize the Snowmass-Dodon Project portion of the Denver Museum for Nature and Science webpage. There's a lot of really great things going on there. I guess snowy is the name of the mammoth and the favorite animal is the Jefferson ground sloth, which I think is great. But the Denver Museum is pretty much the mother of this whole project and it's the ICE agent discovery committee's role to have an active role in assisting the museum to offset costs associated with the excavation, scientific research, education outreach, and exhibition of these discoveries. Our mission statement as a committee should be synonymous with that of the museum 99% there are some things that we'll be doing for ourselves believe, that interest the town of Stomach's village as well. But our efforts should be choreographed with like goals and rewards. If I may expand just a little bit on that, I'll give you my interpretation of what the ICH discovery is also known as the Tusk Force that's become my second favorite oxymoron, simple genius. I thought the Tusk Force was just a brilliant shortened name for the IceH Discovery Committee. I just love it. So I'll just call it the task force. And I'll refer to the Denver Museum as the Denver Museum. Snowmass, well, although the Ziggler site is in unincorporated Pitkin County, for all intensive purposes, we're going to be the origin. And as Snowmass Village is the origin of the discoveries, it's therefore an integral satellite arm for the Snowmass-Dodon project. As a committee, the task force needs to act and contribute in harmony and cooperation with the Denver Museum to the successful development of this important national treasure. The Tusk Force comprises administrative members, field experts, citizens at large and ex officio member as well as subcommittees. But basically, I believe it is the steering committee for project integrity as it relates to the Denver Museum and the town of Snowmass Village collectively. Now I just like to go over my thoughts about the position that I am applying for. The citizen at large going to call it Cal. So Cal is the committee to community liaison or ambassador and is in part responsible for bringing ideas and people together. Cal participation on the committee overlaps with all other committee members and subcommittees. Cal reacts continuously to updated information from all other committee members and subcommittees. Cal reacts continuously to updated information from all other committee members and subcommittees with the purpose of conveying it to the public in a timely, comprehensive and objective manner. And Cal takes direction from both administrative and field expert committee members and seeks final approval before disseminating Tusk Force plans, goals, decisions or changes. And that I believe is the consummate definition of what the citizen at large position is. As far as subcommittees go, well, I think that's where all the people are going to have all the fun really. Because you get to do all the research and like work and things like that, according to their own special interests and goals. Like I said, I believe that the Tusk Force is the steering committee and has to be, has to maintain an administrative goal but also have a wonderful presence to the public and especially educate children. Like I said, my personal goal is to make snowmass village educationally superior across the country paleontologically. Community members, entrepreneurs and organizers who are focused on specific projects and goals are excellent prospects for subcommittee membership to the Tusk Force. Subcommittees are by nature and do fall under specific singular and or multiple committee seats according to the respective projects and goals. And that is about all I have with the exception of the fact that I wanted to bring up something that came to my attention and that was the number of people in this community who are so talented and have already started on their own all of these different projects. And when they saw my name, people that knew me, called me and said, I'd love to show you what we're doing. And so I've been in contact with somebody who's put together a theater group and they're creating puppets and full-size mascots. In fact, the Carbondale Library has already asked them before there's ever a script if they would come and do a stage production and teach the children all about this thing through their puppetry and or mascot-sized characters. I think that's wonderful. Also there are other companies in town. Linda Johnson is making up these mugs. She's got these little things which I just I asked her can I bring them to the meeting. Meet the mastodons. She's an artist that's doing all these things. She's got some props. I have to admit that these I designed, but I gave her the whole idea. I said, just here, take them. They're all public domain pictures of all the animals that have been discovered. But they're a strictly educational cup. There's nothing comical or cartoonish about them. They have the Latin name on front. They have Somas Village on the back with the date that the animal was discovered and then some facts and figures about them all maintaining scientific integrity because I think information integrity is very, very important to this, especially in the early stages. We are not a theme park initially. This is an educational opportunity for all of us and especially for generations to come and school children especially. But she's made mouse pads and fuchsia and things like that. This I love. I don't even know what I was supposed to show you this but I'm going to because I think it's just fantastic. They've taken Mount Daley and put tusks on it and made Mount Daley look like a sleeping mammoth. I thought this was just brilliant. Let me take it. There's a puzzle there, but there's so many great ideas. Let's not look further than our backyard because there are so many talented people here. I've been keeping lots of, making myself lots of manuals. I love the creatures out of ice age. So I've put all of my files and things that I've learned. I am so interested in learning all about this, but especially I would like to see this go smoothly administratively so that we can bring all these people, but especially I would like to see this go smoothly administratively so that we can bring all these people, like I said, ideas and people together. And I believe that that is my forte. And I can do a good job at that. I've had plenty of experience, if you've read my military experience. I led a force protection team for the entire western half of the country of Hungary to make sure that people would move in and out of the Bosnia area safely. I briefed the United States State Department frequently on issues in the local area of operations. In the early 80s as a strategic debriefer in Berlin. I interviewed, I did intelligence interviews with everything from fishmongers to physicists. I can get along with a wide range of people and I believe that I always find some common ground and I don't believe you have to hurt someone's feelings to change direction if things aren't working out the way that you expect them to or want them to go. I think I hope that I've made my presentation clear and I hope that you select me for this seat. And I'll be happy to entertain any other questions. But before I forget, I want to tell you something that my son Kurt told me, which I think is emblematic of how this committee and how this community will embrace warmly but tightly this project. He said mammoths ride snowmass because even 40,000 years ago they couldn't ride aspin. ride Aspen. Are over. With that, I think I'm finished and I'll be happy to answer any more questions. Jason, start with you. I'll just say I really appreciate your enthusiasm about all this and I really appreciate all the creativity and effort you brought here. Submitted and all that. I think it's great. Could you talk a little bit about you? You mentioned something in here about a contract to be working up at the site. Come spring. I met with Kit. And when the discovery was made and that they were scurrying to get some security up there. And I'd heard some stories. And I went down to meet with Kit and I sat down with him at the Water and Sand District and gave him my resume and told him that I actually have a small security company here in Snowmass Village called Veteran Security Company and I have a business license in the village and that it would be in light of the comments that were made, it would be advantageous for them to pick me up. And in fact, they tried to get a hold of me for two days to have me start right away. And unfortunately, there was a phone number on the business card that I gave him. Even though my current number was embedded and other things, it just was poor communication and I blame myself and it worked out okay. But I went back and I talked to Kit and he said there'll be plenty of work for you to start in next spring chuck. So yeah, I'm not going to resubmit my bid and refamiliarize him with me because I know a lot has been going on down there. And I just want to make sure that that happens. I'm literally minutes away from the site, and I can provide the type of security that they need. I've done security for a long time, all different types. I've held a top secret clearance with the United States government and I can be trusted not to dig around in the bones. I think you did a really good job of describing your approach to the position. I don't have any other questions. Thank you. Thank you, Jason. Marguerite? It's good to see you Chuck. Thank you. It's good to see you. Yeah. This was a phenomenal piece of work that you put together for your application. It was very, very impressive. Now, looking at all that you've done so far and all that you've presented tonight, I couldn't really glean how you're going to get input from our citizens. Do you want them just to pick up the phone and call you? Do you plan on going to the schools? Do you plan on having community events or sessions or what are thoughts on being that representative taking everybody's input? Well, yes to all the above, all the suggestions that you mentioned. I'm accessible and available all the time. My job during the day is a traffic control officer up at the urgent care clinic. I get to see a lot of people walk by that place and a lot of people drop off and things like that. I am going to rely on the committee and a collective unanimity to really finalize what everyone's role is in disseminating that information. Certainly it needs to be done, but if you'll read, I guess, I think it was my second response. booklet, I mentioned a weekly column in the newspaper and therein would be my phone number or the phone number of anybody who wanted to also be on a contact roster or something like that for community input. I've been here 31 years so I know plenty of people and I'm also very involved with some of the children's programs aspects and things like that. Yeah. Are you going to limit, and then the sub-question of that is, I read about the newspaper column, et cetera. Are you only focused on getting input from those who reside here in Snowmass Village? Are you looking at a greater, a larger population of people to get there? No. With tweets and blogs and everything like that, I would expect to take this nationwide. I was talking to one of the curators of the Peabody Museum at Yale University this morning, and talking about bringing ideas and people together. I took it upon myself to get the information for the graphics manager at names and numbers, and also to get permission to use Rudolph's Allengers, age of the animals, beautiful 58 foot mural, a section of that which depicts most of the animals that have been discovered here, to be the next cover of names and numbers when they retire Gretchen Blyler. So I am reaching out nationally. Thank you very much. I pleasure. You check. Done? Just appreciate your enthusiasm. Thanks, John. It's infectious. Thank you. Great. Some of the residents of Snowmass, on lodges, restaurants, bars, retail establishments, how are you going to represent their interests? Some of the businesses that you mentioned are already predisposed to enter into the arena of fundraising and free marketing for themselves and things like that. Other businesses might find it fun for them and get some exposure by projects that could be headed by a youth council that we might create. Perhaps a game like are you smarter than a paleontologist where we go to businesses and get cash donations or we get what they call savings bonds or coupons for a large pizza or things like that. Those prizes would be given out as prizes for students who would want to come before and answer questions for prizes. And that would of course accomplish a couple of things. It would give most businesses any style they want of contribution. Also vacation getaways for lodges and things like that for discounted rates. The summer, of course, would be different from the winter, but I see a whole new variety in class of tourists embracing this. You know the mammoth site in South Dakota gets 250,000 visitors a year. Well we're not that far off of I-70 for us to be bringing people in from as far as grand junction or veil when they're just there and want to take a two hour trip up the road when we finally get things for them to come up and see. I think it's a wonderful opportunity. Did I answer your question, Frank? I'm not sure. Okay. My thought was, what would you do to be sure that there are more people in the lodges, there are more people in the restaurants, there are more people in retail stores? Well, again, I'm going to default to the organization and the ideas and goals that are originally hammered out by the committee. I have some ideas and I think I've written some of them down, but I found myself just going, you know, I could have filled up page after page after page, as far as walking tours and things like that and just items of interest that we have yet been able to initiate. So I think it's all going to slowly come together with a group effort from the Tusk Force. Thank you. Pleasure. Very good, Chuck. Again, one of the questions I've been asking is what is your vision at the end of the day, at the end of this project that we have here, is that a collection of bones sitting in a corner to multi-million dollar facility that does a number of things. Where would you like to take this if you were king? Well, I always say shoot for the stars and if you end up on the moon you're doing pretty good, but it just depends initially how far we can extend our efforts and that will depend on how much money we'll make. That brings me to a very important aspect of the task force. I think that with a co-op, which has been presented to me, a co-op of local merchandisers, I don't care where they come from. If they have a good idea, than we should embrace it. With a task force stamp of approval, and that means that that merchandiser wholesale, retail, or a combination of both, has agreed to put forth portions of the proceeds into the mass-down project or the task force, whatever our funding mechanism is. And so there would be on every label, it would be approved, and maybe you would buy a membership to, once approved by the task force, and you would pay a membership to, so that we could give you the approval to use that stamp, that sticker for the appropriate merchandise that your business is selling. And that would also tell the consumer that a portion of the money that you're paying for this cup is going toward helping us build a museum. I have a number of address lists that I've been putting together for the last two and a half years. And they're extremely valuable. It's every billionaire and anybody worth more than $200 million on the planet. They're very valuable lists. I didn't buy them. I made them and I know they work. I know they're good because I've gotten responses. It says, how did you get this address? So I have some very important and valuable resources up my sleeve as well. It will depend on donations from private donors. Of course, someone would love to see the, you know, John Smith, Ice Age Museum of the Rockies here in Snowmass Village. We've been clamoring for new conference space for so many years. What are we going to do with the old one? We could turn the old conference center into the Rocky Mountain Ice Age Museum and multiplex. We have a theater in there. We could show all kinds of movies and have lectures. And another idea I had was, I think I put it in there, a night at the museum lecture series where homeowners would have people over to their homes and have prominent figures in our organization speak to educate even more, they're going to be more discoveries. I can't wait till we pull a couple predators out of there. Because when these animals fell into that muck toward the end of their life, they were probably crying and that attracts predators. And there will be some predators down in there. Very good, Chuck. Any questions you have with us? No. I think I've given you some good information. Maybe some things that you haven't thought about. I've really given this a lot of thought. I'm ready to take this seat. Very good. Well, we are definitely going to have a difficult time trying to make a decision on these names. And we will take that and take a break here for about five minutes. It'll be 10 minutes and then we'll come back and reconvene. I just wanted to thank you for the opportunity. Thank you. Thank you, sir. My community and such a unique and rewarding capacity. We appreciate that. Let's take a 10 minute break here. On this task force discussion. We've heard from a number of good applicants and now we've got to decide where we go next. I'll start off stating I'm going to have a very difficult time making a decision with this and wondering would it would be too much to take all these folks and really drive you guys crazy as we did with the education group. So if that's going to drive you, let's go ahead and do a vote. Two would work great. Why don't we do this though? I was thinking about that. OK, John. This vote for one to begin with, and then take that name off and vote for one more out of the remaining. Try that on me again. So vote for one person. Let's get one person now, and then take that name off the list and vote for her. but what if we get five different names well you're gonna have a bunch of different names that's what always happens we do this we can try it either way I was just thinking that it's a great idea you know John if we did our top two yeah then I think it would be easier for us to just easy to eliminate easier to eliminate the people instead of having to vote once than vote twice So I would I would suggest we do the top two So we usually listen to you John we should not agree with you right now this time. I think we just got along. Okay. Round up what we will ask. Earlier in the meeting in this discussion, you said that you were going to do two and one part time. Is that not true? You had a discussion. You said you came to agreement. I didn't hear an agreement. Two and one part time is that not true? I didn't hear an agreement. I think we just got well, I'm okay with going just for top two choices out of that group Whether part time or not. Yeah, I don't think that we were worrying one way or another but I just wanted to make sure she could read it. Oh. Yeah, hard time to do Sarah's. Sandy. Okay, let's look around to tabulate those for a minute. Should I hit out a few points? Sure, Russ, please. We're doing that. Again, in the memo, we just want to make sure before we have our first meeting, and obviously we'll find the time that works for everyone. We've got the objectives of this group and want to make sure that is in front of you. That's on page two of the packet. We also suggested some additional operating parameters. You had an initial discussion on this. Kept them very broad. Basically the concept is they'll develop a business plan. They'll develop, I anticipate other types of recommendations. They bring them to you, though, for your consent approval. I do want you to take a look at number three though. And you had a little discussion, get a little debate, and Rhonda Baza will be participating in the group. But you know, just want to get your sense of the wording there. And again, that speaks to recognizing the role of the water district. They're one of the partners I see in this. But you want to say something to that. Hi, I have a result. The two members of the board would be Chuck Barth and Colleen Doyle. Okay. So let them know, we will. I right. So let them know. We will. I will. Forward. So Russ, your question was, yeah, do you want something to the effect? You had a little discussion in one of the meetings. This is the way this is read in planning for the, again, it wasn't dogmatic in terms of an absolute parameter, but in the planning for the future, the AEC needs to remember the Ziggler Reservoir as the property of the snowman-solid-waist sanitation district and will be used as a reservoir in the future. Right. Yeah, I think that was part of the thing is that, in my mind, at least minimal, that we need to recognize those facts and let the, I get a little concern when I hear people wanting to say, well, take it and use the pond or the facility as a museum site, that kind of stuff. Jason? I would just take the perspective that I don't know that we need to put that parameter on them. They can, as a committee, come up with that themselves. The Water and Sand District has representation. And if they choose to limit themselves in that way, that seems reasonable. I don't know that we need to do that upfront in terms of making that statement. I don't see the benefit of that. How does the rest of council feel? Mr. Wilkinson? Well, I think that's fact. I mean, there's nothing we can do about that other than to keep that in front of the public that that's what the reality is. It's not our property. So I hear, understand, Jason's saying, when I guess when you say that, it leaves that as an open thing. And I would, my own personal thing is that we respect the owners of the property and not even leave that as an issue to be discussed. Because I think if you leave it to discuss, then it grows a life of its own. And if the owners, zigglers, who are going to want to be involved or allow something to happen, let them offer that. But with us sitting here saying, well, we need to make sure that they can do that instead of respecting their desires right now. I have a little more of a problem. I guess my reaction would be, it's a fact of life that is their property. On the other hand, if there is some way that viewing the property or doing something, because somebody was talking about going up to the top of Sam's knob and looking down on it, making use of the property without violating private property rights, I think it's something that should be on the table. I don't think, yeah, I wouldn't just gonna put a wall up to say you can't look at it like that But but but to capitalize on to try to try to see you know This is this is where it is And if you could build something on our property that could Highlight it or or or make it more interesting. I certainly don't think that should be taken off the table I'm with you Billy I think it's I think we need to put, what are the give-ins? What is it, you know, and put that as the parameters. Now if those parameters change, maybe those individuals might come forth whether it be what are in sand, goodness knows what they're going to find. I totally agree. We would probably do need to fill it in at some point. But what happens if there's a human point? We don't know what we don't know. So I think you go ahead and put the parameters on it and I think that you've got some very bright people sitting on the task force. I think that the good minds will prevail. Okay. So how's that work for you, Rush? Yeah. In census to leave three? Yes, yes, yes. I would delete it. I'm interested. I'm interested you would, but the majority of us are saying leave it in. The final thing is, again, you asked me to move forward with a facilitator. I just want to acknowledge to you that there's a cost to that. To three different valley resources, Colin Laird, Pam Britton, and Valerie Borthwick of the Executive Service Corps. My choice would be Valerie Borthwick. She impressed me in terms of her ability and her experience creating business plans in her previous occupation working for Oracle, bringing very creative and energetic people together to find consensus around doing strategic planning and so she was very impressive. And we also got the best price. So that's a $5,000 cost for that. The assumptions behind that are two meetings for month for four months and then two additional meetings. Can't anticipate how this is gonna unfold. It'll be really up to this group to move forward and go through a work plan. And then through another $750, just to take care of miscellaneous expenses, you know, meals, travel, and anticipate what happened invited by the Denver Museum and would like to take advantage of that. Although we're not going to take care of accommodation, we'll just say meet at the museum at a time and we'll take care of people for a while. So, need a, would like to request a motion for $5,750 as an initial budget. Don't know, again, the group may request other things of you, but this is just an initial number. So we have something to work with moving forward. So moved. Mark, Butler, move. Second. Second by Fred Cooker. Further discussion? Yeah. John Wilkinson. And where is the funding coming out of just our general fund? You'd see that in a supplemental budget during the year. Now one of the things I'm concerned about is because there's going to be a lot of energy in this group, a lot of discussion. What kind of documentation and then taking are you going to plan and having so we can be briefed on it? Well, again, we should thank you very much, John. You know, I see my role is providing a communication conduit, but not just kind of think at times you'll see other people in the group making presentations to you. So it can be as much as you want when we have a meeting. We can give you a little update in terms of what was the discussion. Where is it going? What's the next step, but I see an initial step where we could really nail this down of really presenting a work plan to you from the group once they've had a chance to really kind of think through here's what this process looks like, here's how we're going to get from start to finish and the time frame for that and again this is just a guess that it takes four to six months. So, so in terms of this scope of work from the facilitator, is that just facilitating the meetings or will she be responsible for? This number includes two parts. It's one facility planning and facilitation of meetings. Also, it can include as much as the group would want to her actually helping with assembling the written documentation. But again, one of the things that impressed me with Valerie, she said, sometimes you just have to defer. If you've got a lot of energy around an individual, and then they want to write a section, you know, be helpful and ensure that that reflects everybody's opinion, not just that one individual's. So she's happy to help in that writing, but also recognize that the group, individuals of the group may want to help prepare it to. Bill. Fred. Let me put in a very, very substantial plug for Valor. I know her very well. She is a consultant with ESC. There hasn't been a client she has dealt with that doesn't think she has done a fabulous job for them. And I think her background is 20 years at Oracle and retiring as a significant executive there. But I think the most telling comment came from her husband who when I saw them after I realized that Russ had picked her, I said we're really excited that she's coming and she's going to be doing this and her husband's comment was she is great at managing egos. Very good. I know her very personally too. Excluding in the South. Yeah. Okay. Does anybody have an issue with, you know, I think we allow Russ to, you know, pick the people. He wants to manage this thing and I'm not looking at your consent for the budget. So as far as the motion on the floor any other discussion? Rest you did say that was the lowest cost proposal. Okay in our we're okay with this are we going into reserves at all to pay for this because I know we're extremely tight. We are. I mean, again, from a financial standpoint, this applies to potentially another item that's in front of you tonight. You know, we'll have a good understanding of where we are in the late March, April, time frame. You'll get a very significant financial update, but yeah, I think we can swing $5,000. Okay. All those in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. The only final thing I want to acknowledge to you on this topic is we are looking and reviewing a license agreement from related to utilize the showroom still in conversations on that and had a discussion with the museum about how to populate that. We approximately 2,000 square feet in that showroom. And right now we're discussing as utilization of the space for free. And we're seeing how long we can get that free term to go so if we can get it extended in the summer and that's still a point of discussion. Okay. Well, are we gonna do anything for this winter with that space? Is that gonna be good? Exhibit could potentially be ready in mid to early February. Very good. Early sounds good. Okay. That's all I had. Thank you, Russ. Now let's move on. We're going to change a little bit here. We're going to go to the item number six, Resolution 9 Series 2011, reporting a new member to the marketing group sales and special events board. Move. Motion by John Wilkinson. Second by Markie Butler. Ronda, get your name on this. Are you just into this? Yes, sir. At the time that we took, collected all the applications for those seats that were vacant at the end of the year, we did not have an application for this retail position on the marketing and special events board and we continued advertising and we did receive this application from John Henshell who is owner of Inclined and his application is included in the packet. Very good. John, thank you for your time coming here. We appreciate you putting your name into this process to apply for the marketing special events board. Tell us a little bit about you. Most of us know you pretty well and a little bit around a long time. But why would you be a good fit for this group? First of all, I'd like to introduce myself again, like Rhonda said, John Henshel, partner in in-clinese shops as well as Blazing Adventures, which we just purchased this summer. I feel I would be a good fit for this position. Definitely a team player, and we'd like to see some mass village get back into that super elite status that you have and that we're on track to become. I do have a great working relationship with all of the, I would say, the majority of the retail, the restaurant and the lodging community work with, like I said, the majority of them very closely on a day-to-day basis. We're locally owned and operated businesses and I do live in the village. It's my 24th season. I have a family here and we have a large passion to see this, like I said, CSNL Mass Village, take it to the next level. Working with the Marketing Committee, that was my major along with Finance and in college. And I think I could bring some nice ideas, first of all, in a learning aspect and then taking it hopefully, like I said, to the next level. Social networking have a very strong background of that in all types through not just my business, but also in other aspects and I think that that can be another attribute to bring to the committee. Very good. Anybody have any questions of John? John, do you have any questions of us? I do not. Fred or John? One of the biggest challenges is you're probably more than aware of is our summer activities around here and we made a decision as a council to run the Gondola up to El Camp for three years and then after that the time would have to pay the difference between operating and causing what they make. Can you tell us a little bit how you feel about that and how it affects both the mall and the town? Absolutely. I've seen the progress. I've seen the, from the beginning stages of that when the ski company, let's do this. And I understood it was a three year term and that expires this upcoming summers that correct no No, no more two more years to go one this and then two more to go. Yep I just Personally feel that it is an attraction Though we may not see the numbers in the first second year. I think that's a building stage. Again, we like to work with the committee, get response from not just me, but also other retailers, restaurant people as well as lodging community. My personal opinion, I think it would be worth to keep it going. I think it would be a detriment to fall back on that, even though the cost issues, I'm supportive of keeping it going. The God will be doing. They've invested a big amount up there in the activities. And I kind of think it would be a shame if it would go away. Other ways of getting up there to those places whether it be a Jeep or a hike or other motorized ways, I don't think that would really work. Gondola makes sense and I think it is an attraction. Okay, and then on Labor Day, we have a three day music festival. How do you feel about that and how important it is to the town? Just kidding. Yeah, that's a setup. Yeah, definitely. Joe's arm. 24 years in snow mass village. I've probably been to 18 to 20, I'm not sure if it's gone that long, but I've been to the majority of those concerts down there again. I support that as well. I think that it's, I know the financing of it is a big hit, but it does draw our community into a community. And again, I think taking that away, we need to look at ways to bring in more attractions like we do with, you know, we're trying and again, we've seen it in the summertime with car rallies and art shows and briefs. I think the more the better controlling expenses, the big key of that. I think the more the better, controlling expenses, the big key of that, I think that we keep that going as well. That's my personal opinion. Thank you. All right. Thank you, John. All those in favor of resolution number nine, series 2011. Signify the saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Welcome, John. Thank you. You get to work. Thanks for meeting me. Well, let you know. We'll get a little bit in the chair. After that speech, you're going to be the new chair. Thank you, John. Thank you. Thank you. OK, we're going to go back to item number five, discussion jazz, aspirin, snow, mass. We have Joe Lang, Mark Rezon here. Be sure you move it, Keith. Whoever's talking. You can start it soon. Be sure to put it right in front of your phone. Put the microphone to whoever's talking she wants to hear. It's a very quiet people. I know you are. Ha, ha, ha. Well, happy to hear to all of you. And thank you, Council for taking the time to hear us. Hopefully we can be very succinct and make the short and sweet. First and foremost, we basically were brought to our needs as an organization last year. I apologize if I don't have the proper vocabulary to make that sound better than it really was. With that said, I think it really forces an organization such as ours and non-for-profit to really do some self-examination and to really be humble in appreciating who our family is and what they're made up of. And that's not just our staff and our seasonal staff, but also our partners that we've developed relationships with over a long period of time, of which a significant partner of ours is snowmass village. And our longest running partner. Our longest running partner. Let's go ahead and say that. With that said, I know, you know, over the last couple of years, there's been the back and forth, of where we need to be, what we need to do as an organization, a potential move to a buttermilk, a bigger venue. You know, the intentions of our group have always just been in the best interest of survival as a non-for-profit entity. But with that said, I think now we really want to feel good about what we have and celebrate that. So I think there's a renewed enthusiasm for us as an organization to not always be looking for what might be a better scenario down the road, but to celebrate each year as it's upon us. And I think that's an important step for us as an organization. We've also made some significant changes, I think, for the better to really have a renewed enthusiasm as an organization to the community. That includes a wonderful partnership that we're having now with the company called AEG, Ancestan Tame Group, which, if anyone is clarification, they are basically assisting us in the booking of our Labor Day Festival, as well as our Sonoma Jazz Festival, and they are also assisting us in finding corporate sponsorship. Two areas that we desperately need help in, and instead of competing with the Denver market now, we're part of it. So that should ensure us having more timely bookings, and we're really excited about having a line of secured within the next month to two months at the latest, as opposed to having it dribble on into the spring. That's really going to help us in terms of marketing the event with the town and really ensuring that it puts the best foot forward for both entities. So we're excited about that also. We've made some internal changes also. Mary and Buckholst is our first female chairman and a snowmess village resident. And we're very excited about that. We've had some wonderful folks that their terms have expired including our previous chairman John Provin who's been the chair for the last four years. Their experience and dedication has been invaluable to us as an organization and we really appreciate all their hard work and now they have moved along to hopefully just enjoying the events not having to be behind the scenes as much. But with that said, we have some wonderful new additions to our board, which will publish hopefully in the next couple of weeks. And it's really, it's just a real new enthusiasm that we're trying to bring to the table and really coming up with some change that's been needed after our 20th anniversary season to look forward for the next 20 years. From a staffing standpoint, I have been born on as executive director. Jim Harrow, which is still our president's CEO and our founder, and always will be. Mark Presidents are executive vice president for sales and marketing. And we have a wonderful internal staff as well as a seasonal staff that's dedicated to producing world-class events and really keeping the stature of us as a nonprofit, very visible in our community, more so than just special events, but also our education programs, which I think we need to make sure that the village is up to speed on and over the next couple of months, we'll get some more information out on what we're up to because that's part of our storyline. It's not just about big sexiest festivals, It's about us as a non-for-profit here in the Valley and what we're helping out. Our students do. Valley-wise, we think that's very important. With that said, we still have a pretty large deficit that we're trying to overcome from last year. We're excited because we're still rolling. We're still alive. And that enthusiasm, we've got to ride it because that's right now what we have and we know that when we come up with our lineups hopefully in the next couple of months and start getting on sale that things will start to turn around but we still are the Labor Day Festival alone is a two million dollar event that's a two million dollar special event for three days. So I might say that's insane to spend that kind of money, but we're up to that task. That's what we're known for. We don't want to regress in terms of coming back with a smaller event with lesser name stars. We do feel for us as an organization and for the town of Stomach Village, we've set the bar pretty high and we want to continue to keep it at that level. That's very important to us. So what we are requesting now and also acknowledging the graciousness of the town as an entity in financially supporting our events as a sponsor and a large sponsor, not just a couple of dollars, six figure plus for many years. I don't know the exact amount of years it's been so far. It's probably been probably more in 12 to 14 years now. We would not be able to execute if we weren't getting that kind of a contribution from the town. And we don't want to seem like we're on grateful for that, but we are looking for some relief from the municipal services that we require as a special event. I think we've built great relationships with all municipal departments over the last 14 years that I've been a part of this organization. And that really is what makes this event special. That's what makes it different for most other special events out there is because we have those relationships with the town entities and they're a part of the team. They really get excited to be a part of this special event and that's what makes it a truly special event for us and hopefully for the town that they can really feel proud of. So we're looking for the opportunity to explore ways of reducing that financial commitment that we have to make on those town services. Very good, thank you. Russ, can you, do you have any history about what we have been spending annually for this event? I asked for two pieces of information. One wanted to get the latest and greatest update on the municipal services and those numbers. And also what occupancy has equated to during the weekend. On the first on the sponsorship side, again, in the last year through our financial challenges, we all faced. We sponsored this event at $150,000. In 2009, it was 175, and then 2008, we were at approximately $200,000 in terms of sponsorship. From a occupancy standpoint, we have approximately rough and tough 1,800 units that are available for rental and give you a sense in terms of the numbers I was handed by the marketing department. When Brian Walsh was here on Saturday, this we were at 87%. Black IP is 86% that was in 2009. Let's see, kind of the high point was 92% occupancy in 2005. She didn't have the bandline. That was widespread. Okay, so widespread. So it just gives you a sense in terms of the occupancy on those dates. So on the Municipal Services side this last year, we had a total bill of $43,918. And we still have, but I do want to acknowledge we still are owed $33,297. That split up between buses, police department, road, which again, their funding comes from a property tax and a little bit of parks and rec. The town does not pass on our charges for straight time. So if we have three guys from our road team that are on duty anyway, that is not passed on as a charge in their outdoing barricades. But if we incur over time, if we incur additional expense with equipment, we do pass that on. And again again that generates for this last year approximately $43,000. It has been up to close to $50,000 so it depends on the year, it depends on the intensity and I think we certainly tried to work to try and keep our costs down given the financial considerations. The only other piece of information I'd want to pass on to you, which I just did in the previous topic is that again the March April time frame is when we're going to be giving you a significant financial update. So if you would ask where would this money come from, it does predominantly come from the general fund. And of course we want to be very careful about that. And we'll be able to give you a good update in the March, April timeframe. Marky. Question for you, Russ. On the ELTC, isn't there a line item for X Games transportation? There is. Is there any opportunity that ELTC might pick up some of these transportation burdens? Yeah, what does it do for our competency and the Aspen? That was a question I had. Thank you, Mark. Again, you might recall, I think that would be a topic that your colleagues from the other jurisdictions would bring up. There's a volleyball tournament on at the same time. And I think it's an argument. These gentlemen would use is that the lodging benefits predominantly snowmess, not exclusively, but there's a significant volleyball event in Aspen that fills quite a few of the rooms there. But there's all these concerts. Yeah, because they do all the concerts to belly up and a variety of other venues that tie into JAS. So I see that there is some opportunity there. We're asked but not so to enjoy some of the lodging benefits. Bill. Fred. Russ, do you have any sense of what kind of sales and that tax revenue and 82% occupancy generates? You know, I just, the numbers I can give to you relatively precisely is that we have approximately 1800. You can do the math on the last, on the Saturday we had 87% occupancy in that impacts positively 100 units. But can we attach a number to it? I mean, we're giving them $150,000. I'd like to see what we're getting back. See us a town. Summer ADR is somewhere, it's very low in snow mass. It's under $100. Yeah, and then you do have to take into account some of those will be comp rooms that are comped as part of providing. So I don't have a precise number. It is it is it 87% for one night or 87% for three nights? Just to give you a sense went from 70% on Friday night to 87% on Saturday then down to 74% on Sunday. This is last year. This year is even. OK, but you could, I assume, with those, now take an average ADR of $100. Is that correct? About 76. So you could extrapolate from that the total bed tax revenue that would be generated. You'd have to factor in that there's. And the minus the cops. Yeah, there's some comp rooms. I'd like to I'd like to get that number. We could we could give you something that gives you some sense of the dollars it's. I can't I can't support the request right now. I think we need to look for other avenues like EOTC as a potential. And then perhaps in March, after we get the numbers back and see some numbers. Is there any way that we can ask the marketing special events group if they can help contribute part of this cost to instead of coming out of the town with General Fund? I know we've looked at their budget and we haven't budgeted any of these dollars to do that. But being, you know, again I'll go back to the fact that we have put our staff on hold for three years, no raises, but again a lot of people have been doing that. It's very hard for me to sit in to hand over something. Now I understand they would like to have the full amount, but is there something even in the middle between there, if we could even go that far to say, we recognize this is an important event, and it isn't an asset to our community, is this something that we should really try to strive for? And I can't give them a commitment today, but say you know if our sales tax are better we put something away towards employee numbers and something away towards this but I really it's really hard for me to say to you guys hey here you go here's an extra you. We have had a sliding scale over the years where we've gone from $150 to $200,000 plus some of these expenses on top. If we worked on an arrangement where we got a consistent 80% number, could we then say, okay, if they bring in the talent that is going to draw the three nights 80% numbers, you know, or something that we can work on, does it make sense for us to, you know, work harder, you know, to help fund some of this. I'll go with Fred and then John. A couple of questions. You don't pay any rent down there for that land that you use for about a week, do you? Correct. Okay. And when you go to the music festival for your spring or your summer concert, you do pay rent, don't you? We do. It's an actual facility. Right. Postage of stuff. But you pay a substantial amount of rent there. It's not substantial. I mean, they really do work with us as a fellow non-for-profit. Well, I know what the number is and I consider it substantial. Okay. All right. And I'm, and I'm not going to bring the number up, but I do know what it is. And I think anybody who knows what the number is, we consider it substantial. Sure. You don't ask them for any contribution. We've tried. Okay, but they haven't given it to you. I've tried. Okay, so here you are coming to us. You get the land for free. We have been the past giving you anywhere between $150,000 and $200,000. You owe us $33,000 and you're asking us to give you upwards of somewhere between $43,000, $50,000 worth of credits. I just don't see how that flies in a time when this town is looking at a potential budget deficit of upwards of $700,000. This council is sitting here debating whether or not to spend $60,000 on a real estate consulting firm that will help us deal with the problem of base village, which has a whole lot more economic consequences to this town than jazz Aspen. So I as a councilman cannot see us giving you any more benefits. Sure. John Wilkinson and Markey. Well, I can tell you that it is really important. We heard Loud and Clear from the community and our council, that the prior council denied the opportunity for them to move to a bigger venue so they could be more sustainable. I think it's really important that they are sustainable. We heard Loud and Clear last fall how important this event is. And with this new managing group, you have the, I noticed that they have Taylor Swift, Black Eyed Peas, can you give us any kind of hints? No hints yet. It's better to be substantial talent. Okay. And it should drive that occupancy rate to 80%, 85%, we're looking to, you know, grow the event to drive heads on bands, of course. That's what we all want, and that's what another community wants. And we want to tie the event into a more youthful feeling and tie the community in, with maybe a bicycle race and more things in the village during the weekend. So it's more of a weekend of snowmast, not only the music, but people experience the music and the experience snowmast. Well we just got open some new single track above the rodeo place like I talked to you about that later. It's really about the experience here. It's not so easy to get people to come to concerts around the country now. So if we can build in the snowmast experience which I think has been done and continue that it really adds to the festival. Well we were in Granby for Nordic Race last weekend where at this hotel it's Silver Creek and the front desk person's oh yeah we know snowmass we go there every year for the Labor Day festival. And I don't believe you can measure this in terms of what you get in actual revenue for the three days they have a festival. You know much like, much like the X games, the X games, if you looked at the balance sheet of the X games, it's a negative number. But it's the impact worldwide it has on tourism that brings people here not just for the X games weekend, but turns on ESPN and sees it. I mean, we see your concerts on TV, you know, you have that exposure for our community that goes beyond just the three days of occupancy. I don't know how you measure that or how you get to that point of knowing the value of what the concerts really mean for our community. It's got to be more than three days. I mean, we're giving, you know, the town is sponsoring you to the tune of 150,000, which we take $50,000 back, which is a net 100. So I can see moving that number up a bit. I think we heard loud and clear that we need to keep jazz here, and we need to do it in a fiscally responsible way. But yet we need to bump up the contribution to make sure their success in our town's recognition maintains that success going forward. Appreciate it. Thank you, John. Marky? When did you, John. Marky? When did you last file a 990? I did not know off the top of my head. Well, I think last year when Jim came before us, one of the things that always troubles me, I like to look at financials before I'm going to give a substantial contribution. So not knowing what the 990 tells us and doesn't tell us anything about the financials, it's hard for me to say here's a gift another 50,000. So that makes it. So I think that those are some of the items that perhaps when you come back, I really want to say. And we can get that to you for sure. It's not a problem. Jason? Yeah. I think I agree with the rest of you not ready to support the request based on this print of this memo. I'd definitely like to see more staff level analysis around the ideas that Fred's talking about in terms of tax generation and benefits of the town. And then also just kind of a question about why this came directly to council versus going to the marketing board. And there's no commentary or input from the marketing board as to their thoughts on funding an additional $50,000 for this event. And then finally, just a comment in terms of, you know, if the town's been supporting this event to the tune of this $150,000 level for the last 10, 12 years, you know, you've got to have to question if this is a sustainable business model. And are we going to be doing this in perpetuity, you know, on the idea that we have, you know, no long-term commitment, it sounds like from JAS in terms of maintaining the event in snow mass. So I think if we want to talk about returning our level of support back to boom year levels, it would be nice for us to have some kind of long-term arrangement that gave us some assurances that this was here for a longer term. Fred? I do have one more question. You did hold the event one year at Buttermilk, did you not? Oh, yes. And what year was that? Oh, two. That was when the renovation draft was launched. That was huge. The golf course was under renovation. It was huge, wasn't it? Okay. Do we have any, how far back do our rental revenue statistics go? I'd have to find out I had data back to 2005. But I can find out. I would be curious as to what the occupancy rate was in 2002, if we have still have the record. Jason? And then just one other thing, I think we basically heard from what Fred was indicating was that the City of Aspen is not a sponsor of your Spring Festival or we do spring festival funding from them yearly for education programs. For education? And I guess I'm just wondering if this level of sponsorship is typical, how does that work in Sonoma, is it a similar arrangement? What's the relationship there? In Sonoma, California. They're probably closer to $100,000 worth of services that we are in the midst of doing with them again this year. It's the seventh year that we'll be out there. Is it, sorry, is that service has been not cash? Services and cash. And cash. And cash. The total would be $100,000 a hundred thousand dollar in previous years all it tells you know that you know uh... murk or jim hooker or uh... even ted were on the board sure and they you know got the financials but they didn't you know you shared with the council there was one of those things which it wasn't you know public consumption you know, one of the things I'd ask Joe and Mark and all these guys is to say, you know, if we do get back to that point, you know, it'd be good for us to be sitting there getting the information so that we can share it so that we can all, you know, see if it's the right time to get. The 990s is part of public domain. Yeah, I should be able to fold the 990s. Of course. Okay. So those are the kind of things that I think that, you know, we need to get back into. I mean, I was on council when we had the first Marciac, you know, group and I have some people in my house. So I've been, we've been involved in this. I've been 92 or so. Yeah. It was a while ago. was a while back a long way with our relationship. And so you know I know it's hard for these gentlemen coming forward but it's been real hard for all of us to raise money and make money and make things happen. You guys have had to cut back and we've had to cut back but you know I think there sounds like there needs to be some more information before you you know may do that and it may be something that unfortunately can't give you a commitment today but information before you, you know, may do that. And it may be something that unfortunately, we can't give you a commitment today, but sometime in March maybe, you know. Well, again, you know, if you're interested in continuing this discussion, I just wanted you to have the financial information since our general fund is one of the most constrained funds. So you have a good understanding of where we were at the end of last year and how the season was performing. Is ELTC off the table there for consideration? Well, I don't think we have a control over. We can ask them, but I don't ask. I think, you know, it's what is it? $50,000 to make it that ELTC does. And it was like a five-year. For the X Games. That was $90,000. No, it's $50, 90. No, it's 50,000. I don't remember. 50 is all it's been so. We get 25. Well, I just, I mean, the third or third or third thing. The impact asked. And it's, you know, if you're we can ask that question when we have the next unit, you know, meeting, I mean, on the transportation, and we just went to a ballot measure and asked, you know, our citizens to approve more property tax to fund our basic level transportation service so Another hurdle I think philosophically to get over in terms of offering that So unfortunately Joe and Mark I don't think we can make tonight, you know We're pretty much saying no, we can't make that. It hit understood right now and it may not even happen in, you know, March or April. But I think, you know, if we see how the numbers are, you know, there can be something because I think there is some, a lot of value there. Personally, I think you know, we can, as Jason said, get to look guys, we need a multi-year discussion, occupancy rates up to a certain level. Maybe we can talk to a number of different groups, let's see what we can do to put something together. But it is something I believe that the town does put a lot of energy into that also, our general fund. So we're really concerned and not wanting to put this upside down. Absolutely. We appreciate it. We appreciate you coming and talking to us about it. And hopefully we all have a good year, but I'm not holding out any great numbers right now. Sure. Dollars for you. Understood. Thank you. Council anything else? Thank you. Thank you. Will let's keep working on it. Thank you. OK. Thanks. Thank you. OK. Now we get to go with item 7. Continuation of a public hearing. Resolution number 4, series of 2011. I'll reopen a public hearing resolution number four series of 2011 Re-open the public hearing Is there anyone who likes to make a comment for the public hearing at this time? Otherwise we will keep it open through the end of this process See what you do at the end of the meeting Welcome meeting. Welcome. Jim and Chris. Lead us off into this. Based on the last council meeting on January 3rd, I cast out a chance to complete their review. This particular application, the special review request for Opium, a restaurant and the special review for operating the 12th and the night of the lighting plan and then the update of the mm up for the SNMS mountain. And we've taken council's directives and prepared a resolution for the special reviews and we have to break out a separate ordinance for that. PUDM. Or yell at it. There you go. Thank you. Well, we had to break out the resolution for the special reviews and then prepare an ordinance for the minor PUD amendment according to the municipal code. What we attempted to do was bring forward the history of the review and the warehouse statements and also bring forward most of the findings in the Planning Commission resolution as well as the recommendations as conditions but we did modify some of those findings per pursuant to council's discussion and directives at the last meeting and those are primarily noted in finding number six with a special review following the code criteria. That's on packet, on packet page 66 and through 67. And then also the condition number 12 were the performance of musical events was restricted to 10 PM within the restaurant. And if the operative passed 10 PM and it would have to be conducted restricted to 10 p.m. within the restaurant. And if the operative passed 10 p.m. and it would have to be conducted inside the facility. So that's a summary of, okay. Before you can write. So tonight we have the, to consider resolution number four, and consider resolution number one. So let's go through before. See if there's anything in there that we need to have some clarification on from the applicant. Is there a motion to approve it? So I'll move. That's Fred, cookers. Second. Second. My market butler. Discussion. I just have a quick question and maybe this is because I didn't ask this question earlier but it's up there this weekend and we're you know people are gonna get a hop off that gondola building and the restaurants like right next to it where are they gonna put their skis? David Corbin and Chris Kylee appearing on behalf of the applicant Aspen skiing company. In really the area of egress from the gondola, we contemplate that we will be able to have ski racks essentially on both left and right sides as you exit the unload platform so that there could be skis right along the deck of the building. There will more likely be greater ski storage to the right side as you would pass from the a gondola platform out into the ski art, if you will, where you would go down and transit towards Bull Run or the El Camp Lift. We've done studies basically placing those racks, the fence that you see now that separates the beginner area, probably pulls uphill hill slightly and or we have been thinking we would either using snow or some regrade sort of help define the end of the beginner ski terrain almost with ground if you will, so that we give kind of a natural stopping area. But that zone where the beginner area will pull slightly uphill, giving us more room for the ski rack. Well, you know, with a, it just looks, it felt real tight, because I was trying to figure out where the ski racks were going to go. You got 300 and some odd seats in there, so potentially let's say 60% are going to have skis or boards to take off. And I'm going, oh my gosh. This could be considered a, you know what? Right, well I also add, remember that on the lower side of the building. So I did 40% of skis there. Okay. on the lower side of the building. So I did 40% of the skis there. Okay, and we think it may be more in balance 50, 50, or in the case of the reverse in terms of where the skier traffic might first come to that building. So. That's just my observation. Very, very tight. Okay. Red, another marque market brought that up. Just a question. I just could, I'm not sure I understand it. The topography here on exhibit A. Would click in would be essentially where it is now? No, you'd go farther out from the unload platform. You know, this building sort of cocks, if you will, slightly off, you know, kind of towards the left or angling towards the left, but you would come out sort of past that corner of the, you know, deck, if you will, and then click in out in here. And then will you have to regrade that to a different level or is that okay where it is now? There will be regrading. There will be summary grading but yeah but if you think of the unload platform elevation that stays relative. Pretty free but as you go out into the yard then it drops away as you go down. Right. It will run. Thank you. It may help to envision, I think we're going to move that click in zone to roughly beyond where the trail sign is today out there. So it'll push forward and out a bit. Are you guys happy with this? Yeah. OK. OK. Are you guys happy with this? Yeah, okay. Okay. So, let's go through the rezo. Let's see if we have any trouble. Starting on page 65. 66. Just 65. 66. 57. Yeah, John. On line 125. And Jason. Says access to the site continues to be adequate for post use and talks about or other private or other public or private transportation services. Do you provide any private transportation services on that road? I thought it was closed. All right. Well, that was taken directly out of the code language. I mean, we can delete that part of that code language. I just don't know. It's probably a question in my mind whether or not that it was in a law of use, therefore is it? We don't have any other private transportation in the form of a road, but in a sense, the gondola, which goes to the base of the mountain is indeed private transportation accessing the site. Well, then why don't we call it what it is. Well, don't put the... Well, there's always potential to play with VAN, or I mean, I've seen it's fighter savage. They have people who bring up guys from Blazing Adventures come up there. They hire the wedding plan group to come up there. So I don't see it as a problem, personally. It's at the base of the mountain to say I think that's what it kind of refers to for most of it originates at the right okay but like I put I put in parentheses no that's all over the end that's okay I just needed an explanation right that was intended okay John line 137 talking about the lights on the entry for accent purposes. That isn't anything in addition to what our lighting code currently calls for. That's due to just does our lighting code allow for accent purposes for lighting? As long as it's concealed by an overhang roof and I believe these lights are kind of located out away from the building but The light the light source should be directed back at the building but contained By the roof overhang that's But I don't make that interpretation I'd be up to the cheap building official at the time I reviews the lighting plan with the building construction plans at the time we've used the lighting plan with the building construction plans. But if it's underneath the overhang, it has to be so many feet of overhang before those lights can be considered compliant with our lighting dough. It's not quantifiable in that. No. It just makes reference to having the light concealed by the roof overhang. I'm just worried about having accent lighting as opposed to necessary lighting up there since we know that's a sensitive area to begin with. There's four accent lights on that east side, right? I think I like the corners. And it's the idea of the accent lights is a slight up wash of the stone wall that we'll have at the entry. So it's a subtle accent that we're looking to do. But is it necessary? That's the question I have since we've been debating over, you know, the exterior light up here in the exterior noise, whether or not accent lighting is really necessary. I don't know without our lighting designers if they've included that into our necessary lighting for egress purposes. I'd need to check with that to find out if it is a part of that calculation. I mean, I guess if I'm following the same route, I'll start up, Jim Payer, any up lighting to me is like, no. You can put down lighting in the eaves so that it can do the accent that you need. I'd be much more comfortable, but I've got those in the member places and it just drives me crazy seeing up lighting, even if they are the low wattage and that kind of stuff, because they all light up. Jason, perhaps let's stick on this. Yeah. Discussion for now. I agree with the up lighting who, you know, it's different up there. That's the only entrance. Figure it out. I'm lighting preferable. I mean, to me, if the light source is captured by an overhanging roofieve, and it's an accent light to enhance architectural features, I don't have a problem with it. I think we have upward pointing accent lights on the front of town hall. Do we? Yeah, we do. So to me, I don't think it's an offensive issue. The President, for your information on packet page 86, I don't know. It's a realizes, but it shows the locations of those up lighting fixtures. Just to be see the building there. It's kind of tied by a wire, I believe, a wire. Of course it would be the up lighting fixtures that go, my guess at an angle up towards the building and then for the lighting ordinance they have to be concealed By that rope over so they don't shine directly up to the sky. Okay 85 Jim 8586 now's gone. I don't see the need to 806 LP OB It's exhibit a LP O a 85 exhibit a LP oh a Sorry, 85 is a die entrance Okay to the building along that stone wall on the right side as you walk into the main doors, and that's all covered by the So It's okay, so okay, you're a minute fine. I'm part of the code and it's Moving on then Jason Just me on page a six it is at 67. Yeah question for staff on line 144 The demonstration that there adequate public facilities. What are we talking about specifically there? That's just another code criteria. I think Councillor would have to be satisfied that it believes there are adequate public facilities in the vicinity to be able to base the mountain, but I think we made reference to the base of the mountain because I don't think there are really, you know, public facilities that serve this particular facility on the mountain itself. This is a review criteria, yeah, it's a review criteria. And what are the public facilities there? Well, I guess typically for any other normal development would be like fire stations, schools. Yeah, I think public facilities that discussion we've been having. Nice to have a school up there. And I'm like kids would like that. We do have ski school. Okay, good. So that's what that was talking about. And they had issues with the fire district initially and I think they've had several meetings with the fire district and finally I think the issues would resolve at the time Planting Commission finish their review Okay Chris Kailik in Response to the specific question about what are the public facilities reviewed in our land use application We responded to adequate facility specifically utilities. Right, and there's adequate utility service up there. We're already connected. Already connected. We already have water treatment up there, gas and electricity. Very nice. Yes. I'll give it a break. AVL's on page 67. Page 68. 69. AVL's on page 67 page 68 69 John Wilkinson question online 209 We talk about safety for skiers unloading the good gondola then in commas clicking back in In for bypass gear traffic. What do you mean exactly by the clicking? Is that a planning term or a skiing term? That was a skiing term. That was a skiing back in your bindings. No, I understand that, but you do too much cross-country skiing. Yeah, you don't click back and do you? Well, that was a planning commission finding out a condition made during their review because I thought the distance between the end of the south end of the restaurant and nearby forest was somewhat tight. So I think the ski co-reps kind of explained that scenario for resolution to them and I think they were satisfied with their answers. Well the only reason I brought that up is because this is a year round restaurant or summer and winter and whether click back in really means anything. For the summertime? Yeah, probably not. Click into your bike. Your bike's a little faster. Yeah. Okay. Then I had a question on the next paragraph and talk about the raw water from a nearby water treatment plant. Now, who does water and sand operate or own that? Is that one of yours? And are you licensed by this state of Colorado? And you have, is it separate metodistict, or is it just a separate license? I'm not sure the technical registration procedure, but you're correct. We do maintain our own water plant, and that is licensed by the state. And the improvements that we're contemplating as part of this project will also be licensed by the state. Does the state review the use need for water amounts like water and sand would and any other project that's developed in town? Like is there adequate water? Do they study that for? I think you know more. Is that part of your license agreement that they have to provide? I think that's the technical term isn't it? The requirement to provide? Well, what in sand doesn't have anything to do with it? No, I need engineers. I'm just asking this question. The engineer has gone up and certified that their water source is significant enough to provide the water to run their operation. In addition, the fire district has verified to their satisfaction that there's enough water there to control fire, including wildfire, and that the pumping system that's included by the ski company is satisfactory to handle the demands if there were to be a fire up there to deliver the amount of water to the sea. And I think most private districts are controlled by the Colorado Department of Public Health. They issued the permits for those districts. I think right now you have a smaller than eight inch line. It comes out there and I think you are increasing that to the eight inch capacity. That line coming out of the pond on line about 214. I think you're bringing it up to a better supply. I think Victor already put that eight inch line in why is one of the weird things with that? When we plumbed to the maintenance building. So I think that line is there and the pumping capacity is already there, we're tying to it. Jason? I was just going to ask on that same topic online, 2.13, 2.14. It says that the water will be delivered by the proposed expansion of a nearby water treatment plant. What is the scope, I don't remember talking about expansion of a water treatment plant. Is that still- What that plant is today is the plant that provides potable water for cafesus and now. And it's essentially a onsite sort of sand filtration type water system. And that will be expanded and enlarged to provide more reliable service. And in particular, service that we can count on for summer use. Because it's only been really providing any significant potable water quality quantities for cafes, who's in winter circumstances now. So we're going to win large it, make sure we've got additional capacities and that indeed we can we can manage summer uses as as well as winter uses. And just to understand physically what what is that where is that? It's right now it's kind of a small housing just off the downhill end of Cafe Suzanne. Is that a little pond there that you go by when you go by? It's near that little pond. It's sort of adjacent to the pond and the building. It's pretty small. You wouldn't ordinarily take note of it. The primary expansion will be the addition of an underground tank for more storage and treatment capacity. Okay. John. Thank you. Okay. Moving on then to page 70. John. Line 266, construction site fencing. Is there any requirement in the code? As to the dimensions of the fencing, does it have to be six feet or seven feet? Because my concern here is that it's going to be fenced in for one summer, M1 winter season won't it? Yeah. Yes. I'd like to keep that somewhat attractive in some manner. So dimension requirements on what the construction site fencing might be appropriate. I don't know if the code or the CMP provisions outline that certainly will meet anything that's required in as per code we share the same concern we want to maintain an attractive site for our winter and our summer gas. Okay, well, let's come up with some sort of number and agree upon that and put it in here then if possible. Do we need to put that in number? Is it a number or the quality? I mean, differently. Okay, quality and construction fencing or, you know, a higher end is more of a wood, you know, paneling like you see the transportation facility. I mean, certainly don't want to see the Tyvex that we saw across the street for the last couple of years until we got to replace with a facade but we don't have to go to that extent but to something that's more attractive than what I would perceive as normal construction fencing. Can you pull your microphone up forward please? Well I guess that's the question is, you know, is that something that we can ask? I mean I don't think it says in our code, you know, we haven't gotten to that specific point to say, you know, it has to be a wood, cedar, you know, or whatever kind of fencing. Fencing is more primarily for security. Right. Right. From a construction screening standpoint, I thought in the construction management plan, did we have something about the green plastic? I think Jason, we did get into those types of issues and talking about a construction management plan. But it's nothing fancy. It's still a green-linked fence with the green mesh or something like that. What are you guys thinking that you would be? What we're contemplating with our contractor is a couple of different kinds of fencing, a more permanent wooden fence at the Gondola unload area where people are right up next to it, and where we'll really have a fixed condition for the duration of construction. And then for the remainder of the perimeter we've talked about a chain link fence with a green screen, that will both provide some visual blockage from the construction site, allow for security, but it also allows us to maintain a very flexible construction site because of the ongoing activity that we'll be having here. We really want to be able to flex in and out on an almost a day-to-day basis, depending on where the construction activity is, where we need access. So that generally we can keep that site and that fencing perimeter as tight as possible and keep the outside area as open as possible. John Dresser. I just wanted to point out to you that section 18-12F of the code provides site security, construction, fencing of a height and type to be approved by the chief building official or other protected measures as deemed necessary or appropriate by the chief building official. So be implemented to delineate, screen, and secure project sites. Okay. There's our answer. Well, it's not, it's not what John was looking for but I think it's is What it says? Sounds like what they're proposing is consistent. Okay So at this point I don't think there was anything added we want to do Think that the wooden fencing works permanent sounds good. So go from there It also on 69 70 Sounds good. So, go from there. Eighty else on 69. 70. 71. Go ahead. Miss spelling on 338. 338. Summer multiple use trials. Environment assessment, I think it's supposed to be use trails. Very good. Sorry for you. Okay. 72? If the council doesn't have an issue in 72, we do. Okay. Bring up your issue. It really is found in the language between 362 and line 370, dealing with the issue of employee and contractor parking and transportation. In this section, the applicant shall provide an updated and detailed construction management plan, addressing among other things, the fuel and other fluid storage, fugitive dust control plan, you know, addressing among other things, you know, the fuel and other fluid storage, fugitive dust control plan, and Romana 3 employee and contractor parking and transportation with the understanding that no personal construction worker vehicles would be driven to the site except for vehicle pooling purposes by trade. Indeed, we intend to pool contractor Indeed, we intend to pool contractor employees to the site, but I don't know that we could represent that there would be no personal construction worker vehicles if that is construed to be a singular event. I could imagine, for example, if we have an architect or if we have an engineer or a singular person who doesn't come to the site regularly isn't there to provide labor or something. It's a kind of single event transportation to and from the site, they might very well drive their individual automobile there. That's not how we intend to move most of the people. Our construction management plan will provide for the pooling, but I couldn't sit here and say that there wouldn't be a single instance of a single vehicle arriving. What I would propose that language be changed to in Rominet 3 would be employee and contractor parking and transportation comma with the understanding that vehicle pooling will be utilized. I guess one of the things I'm thinking about initially is just the number of people on a daily basis that engineers may be driving up there and you may get a you know up to a certain number you should say maybe you know, up to a certain number, you should say, maybe, you know, because I can, in my subdivision with the bid, I see a number of individuals drive to sites and we have a difficult time doing it. So we finally got to the point where we're saying, you, Mr. Contractor, have to manage that and only allow, you know, no more than four vehicles at a time at the place we're doing, you know, construction. So I Get a lot more cars coming up and you know, it's a problem. So I don't know if you can do something about that or have some maximum cap that you could say You know, but I just don't want to see Bill sick today So he's going to drive his car up at 10 instead of the six o'clock thing. Right. Well, I would have no problem with that adding language to that extent, saying, you know, vehicular pooling will be utilized, subject to a maximum to be described and determined in the plan. I don't know what that maximum would be today. We haven't written the full detailed plan. We've given you kind of a summary or cursory plan in the application. I don't know if I could say what it is or without counter-tactory input. Maybe Chris could tell you. I'm just pointing out this subparagraph three I there is no personal construction worker vehicle. That's what I was going to say. What you were just describing was the one off guy coming up, the architect coming up, an engineer coming up, somebody who doesn't come up there on a daily basis. That's not what this says. This is disreferced to somebody coming up on a daily basis. That's a personal construction worker. And that seems to be to be right. OK, and I don't quarrel with that. I just wanted to make sure it was clearly understood. There are indeed exceptions to who goes to the site who might be construed to be in the workforce or not. I don't want to be perhaps caught in a prohibition we can't meet. But all of the examples you just gave us were not personal construction workers. He said an architect comes up and engineer comes up, a guy who comes up there maybe once in a while to inspect something, but it's not a guy who's coming up on a daily basis. And I'm comfortable with that. If that's the intent, then I don't think we have a problem with it. As I said, I don't want to be in a position where, by necessity, we violate a prohibition. Is a surveyor included? I don't know. I mean, so I think we're all sort of thinking the same way. Yeah, I do too. I don't think we're across purposes. I'm just not sure. I just didn't want to see the freeway traffic, you know, that's totally agree. Totally. Thank you. When will the CMP be turned down and who approves the CMP? Is that you guys? Chris, I see it. So that she's going to show that that's that's in compliance Okay. Okay. That's a little bit of an incopliance with ordinance 12. It's a lot more comprehensive as far as what they need to address, probably including defense screening. Okay. It was then quarter chapter 18, the job. Okay. Then I'm fine with the chief building official really taking a look at the CMP and really looking at the issue around those type of vehicles. But we could insert that worker vehicles would be driven to the site on the daily basis, and certain on a daily basis, and if you'd like, if Council prefers. Is it okay with us? I think it's an ideal way to use. Thank you. We also want additional thought. We also have control measures via our gate at the base of the road So we have controlled access already and will continue to use that tool to Active yeah, you guys do a nice job with it. Yeah, it was 1610 last summer and it's easy to get that member passed around That's the only problem with that So we're gonna change it to 1611 this year. Yeah Now you told everybody it wasn't 16. It was close. Okay. Anything else on that page? Not that I would. Page 73. John Wilkinson. You had a question on 425. Dogs, firearms, and archery equipment should not be allowed. I think they are not allowed. I'll push. Shell instead of should. Yeah. Yeah. Andy Olson 73. Yeah. We likewise have a comment on page 73. This would be on line 420. We don't disagree with the provision that usage of exterior machinery should be minimized to the extent possible using BMPs between May 15 to June 20, due to the nearby elk summer range and the calving production. We wanted to point out that indeed, particularly in the first season, we will be undertaking snow removal, road clearing, beginning excavation in this period of time, and in the second season, in particular, we would very much hope to be setting, erecting, using cranes, you know, before June 20 for example. I think that's been understood in our prior conversations about our timing and moving forward. I would just like to see a language added that recognizing that road clearing site excavation or use of cranes or similar other occurrences is contemplated and is permitted with this time period, comma, such usage of exterior machinery should be minimized. I would hope to see that acknowledgement that yes indeed in this period of time there will be some of those activities going on but we will indeed use every effort through BMPs to minimize them. So I would ask that that phrase be added just so that there's no confusion later. Chris? I mean that's in direct conflict with this statement. I have to say it's being minimized that you're talking about major ex, I mean, that's major machinery. But they told us not to say it doesn't. You know, but you know, that's not saying it won't happen. Somehow minimize it. And I guess it's kind of not very obvious of how that's going to happen. Well, I don't disagree with the desire that we minimize it. I just don't want it to be presumed that minimize means we don't clear a road. Yeah. Well, I think the issue is more or less than noise that was coming from the exterior machinery and there are BMP techniques to minimize the noise such as mufflers and things like that. So if the point then is to minimize noise, if you want to preface this line with noise resulting from the usage of exterior machine, machinery, shall be minimized to the extent possible. I would have no quarrel with that at all. I completely agree with that. Maybe that's more realist. Yeah. How would that be? How would that be? How would that be? How would that be? So I said again, very good. Noise associated with the usage of exterior machinery. Shall be minimized. I'm fine with shall. You know, we'll take every effort to minimize that, if that's the wish. I think on subsection D, probably she changed that should the show as well. I don't think we're going to have to all those. The dates here refer to the closure of the trails in that area, but not to anywhere that's on this road or in this vicinity. That's correct. Correct. And those boundaries were drawn up in conjunction with the Department of Wildlife that the closures started adjacent to the road. So that was always considered that there would be activity on the road. Is was this a new requirement out of DOW or was this something our staff came up with? There's came from the discussion with the planning commission. I'm sorry. Is this a condition that came from Planning Commission, staff or DOW? No, this was brought up with the staff report to Planning Commission and we discussed it during the planning commission review and this language was specifically written at that time as part of the planning commission resolution. I'm okay with minimizing it, but I just don't want to have the impression that this is somehow in the closure area because it's not- We just fixed the language, though, to everybody's satisfaction. No, it's not within the closure. I mean, it's not within the wildlife sensitive area. Then I don't. So it's just a noise issue. What do you think? It's near it. Yeah. But I don't. Do we need to go any further? I think we just maybe affixed the language to their satisfaction. And our satisfaction. Hopefully addresses the issue staff is concerned. OK. Maybe also on 73? Jason? In Section 5, line 395, just in terms of indicating between small trucks and large trucks, that seems vague to me what's a small truck, what's a large truck. Is there somewhere, is there an indication to delineate between the two that is acceptable to you? Is it a passenger vehicle rated truck or is it? Multiaxel truck. I see your point. I mean, our intent is pick up trucks with workers and small deliveries, but not having those large deliveries on Sundays. I think that we could define that either with respect to multi-axles or potentially trailers on a larger truck. I want to give our contractor the flexibility to get the small stuff and still meet the spirit of what we discussed of having that quieter activity. We'd be amenable to a more size definition. I'm limited to two axle vehicles. No, I've seen the big trucks with a single axle, which are the heavy duty things. Make a lot of noise going up and down to let's say pick up truck F 350 was smaller 3500 series or you know if we have to go that far. But if you just say a single axle I think it leaves still a wide area of concern. But let's say pick up truck. That's really what we're talking to be able to do. Can we define that as a? I think that's just to be clear. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah. John Wilkinson. Are Jake Breaks prohibited in the town of Snowmass Village? Because I just heard a truck coming down from Glenwood Springs yesterday with Jake Breaks. You could hear Decker across the valley. I wonder if that isn't in here if we needed to add it or if it's already prohibited in our current code. I think the same thing with the, what's a bit small truck, what's a big truck, and so forth. When we have some language like this, she's going to watch this. When we have some language like this, if we were to receive a complaint complaint or if we were to become aware of an issue regarding a given Sunday or whatever. We would contact them and we would dialogue exactly what occurred and why it needed to occur. And if we were of the opinion that it is not consistent with this condition, then we'll inform them of that. And it could be that this could be a matter that would need to be resolved for clarification to council or something if it is something that has merit but generally language like this instead of writing including but not limited to right and then going through gazillion types of vehicles it's generally understood what the intent is. That's how we would proceed. Okay. I don't think we've added anything. That sounds fine. Okay. Okay. 74. John Wilkinson. We've got a question on number 15 there in lines. 474. While I applaud the idea of having recreational activities to attract visitors and guests, how appropriate is that in this approval? I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that take it out. What is that for? Well, that was a planning commission recommendation that we brought forward, but since it states encouraged, it's not really enforceable. Take it out. It's not. Yeah. You're doing a asking the skiing company attitude check. You shall provide downhill bikes for the public for free for the next 10 years 75 and nothing there really Any comment from the public on this. Do we have any public? Okay. So is there... Let's see. We got the motion there. Staff, anything else? We want to address before we vote on this. All those in favor? Resolution number four? Is it first reading, correct? Yes. No, this is it first reading correct? No, this is it there's a final action please signify by saying aye aye opposed passes This is as amended as amended. Thank you How many did not 10 minutes How many did not? Ten minutes? Okay. The A's got to switch to this here in a little bit. How are we doing with this next? Ordnance. I'll move it. Second. Move by John Wilson, second by Markey. Discussion. PJ nine. We're going to go through. It won't take too long. Got one. Do you get another chance at this one? Yeah. Go ahead, John. Online 13. Okay. It talks about a night lighting plan for night time operations to 12 o'clock midnight Are we to assume that starts at sunset or? You know should there be a start time of that because why just a narrative of there because You can turn on light whenever if they won't turn on at noon, you know, just they could turn it on at 12 o'clock a.m. by virtue of this. Okay so it's really a reference to the application. No they've got to be off at midnight. It's outline what was in their initial application. You are picky. Okay. It's know what they're capable of Come on Anything on 90 91 Jason I just on line 103 future amendment reviews I think you need to insert until after. We're going to it's acceptable to defer That inventory list until after By-tune but we'll insert until 92 We'll insert until. 92. Anybody from public? Mike comment on ordinance number one, series 2011. This is first reading. Staff, you have anything else? Again, we're not bringing back the resolution. Just the ordinance. But this ordinance. Okay. All those in favor? Hi. Hi. Any opposed? Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate very much. We're continuing very excited. And we're going to continue the public here in the next meeting with you February 7th. Let's take a break. Is the cocktail quite yet? Not quite, almost. We got Dave to get through here and then we have cocktails. Thanks, Jim. you you you the Okay. Moving on. Let's continue the meeting. We're going to move on to item number eight. Resolution number seven, series 2011, approving updates to the title six civil rights plan, which includes limited English proficiency LEP plan Mr. Peckler's names here Thank you council for your time. I'll try and be brief Basically, this is an up amendments to the plan you would council adopted in 2008 It's sort of a requirement you sign annually under these certifications and assurances that you will obey the civil rights laws as noted in the applicable regulations. We have received enough funding that we do exceed the $200,000 threshold, depending on how FTA will view the ticker to energy efficiency grants. They took a pretty firm line with the ARA grants, so we're just trying to make sure we're doing our due diligence. Now, in the haste to get this all put together, I have two recommendations for amendments that have come. One has come from your attorney on page 98. He would like to add to the now therefore be it resolved. So he would like to itemize on the last paragraph, make that number one. This is what John just passed up to us. To adopt the amended title six plan and then add item number two, which is to state, to hereby authorize the town manager and the transportation director to execute the title six plan on behalf of the town of Snowmass Village, which is noted there are signatory pages in the plan that the town manager and the transportation director sign to a test to. The second set of amendments was I sent the address to be reviewed by the civil rights officer in the region aid office and she made some minor clarifications. I tried to email those to you so that you would have them in advance and I apologize that we didn't catch these before it got to the packet. But on page 118, beginning on page 118 under appendix D, there are a couple of minor edits to the text. And if you don't have my memo, I'll read them if you so choose. We don't choose. We have them. OK. OK. All right. Andolution number seven is amended. Bye bye. By our counter-turn. Second. Third discussion. John Wilkinson. I just have a question. It says you have to make language services available to people that have limited English proficiency. How much time can it cost us? Does it say what language we have to provide for it is just open it. I'm from Ukraine and I don't get it. Do we have to provide? Well, in the legislation it does say that no person shall be discriminated against. So if you took that to its extreme, then it would mean anything in anybody like a monk, a Ukrainian or whatever. I think it all. I think if in practical terms, the largest minority that we deal with is Latino. And we have begun to convert some of our materials already to Spanish so that they have that information. So Portuguese might be the second chief language given the number of Brazilians that work and or vacation here. language given the number of Brazilians that work and or vacation here. So do you see this costing the town a lot of money to do this implementation? I mean does it call out for Spanish or Portuguese? I think it calls out for anything. It does. It does. But I think you can find most of them are addressed through the translating software that you have available to you. We have the same accommodations in health care. So there's a list of translators and all kinds of stuff that you give to the software. Does this require you to increase your budget, David? Well, I did note that probably if we had to do an outreach program or we wanted to make more formal documents. We were requesting some $3,500 as a contingency fund. I don't plan on spending it unless I have to. Okay. I have personal issues with this, but that's to know the story. You don't have a choice, you have to do this. I don't want to take the money then. You know, honestly, I'll say it. You know, it's like I've got too many clients who tell me that they don't have a choice, you have to do this. I want to take the money then. You know, honestly, it's, you all say it, you know, it's like, I've got too many clients who tell me that they don't want to learn English, they don't, they don't want to lose their heritage. And you know, I remind them, my grandparents came from Germany and France and they learned it so they could be in the United States citizen citizen and they could assimilate and learn and have an education. And I just having our problems with our feds doing this. But it's a personal thing and I know we need to do this. And there was a motion for it. You could vote against the bill. I always can. Is there a second? Was there a second? Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Gookers. All those in favor. Hi What posed Okay Next I'm owned Yeah, that's right. That's right. OK, Resolution to Rate Series 2011. Proving updates to substance abuse policy for employees shoved it to drug and alcohol testing. Is there a motion? So moved. Fred, second by Markey. Yep. We added ecstasy to the list of band drums. Yep. Further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you, Council. Thank you, David, for spending the evening with us watching this room. Without a amount of time. We'll try to do better. It's been a few minutes. Two and a half minutes. I'll try to get better. It's your chance to do it. Two and a half, man. I'll try to get you better. Okay. Now we're going to go through resolution number 18, series 2011, the resolution approving the entrance into an intergovernmental agreement with Picking County to purchase a Drowstial Open Space. Is there a motion? Yes. Mr. Wilkinson, is there a second by Jason Haver? discussion I had a question go ahead marking Under the recitals of all this money great money is coming from Bay page number 157 right I thought asked when had pledged money for you not putting them in I thought Aspen had pledged money. Were you not putting them in? Aspen did. This is what we got from the county. They have, but I don't know if that has been formally budgeted. I can't answer that question. Oh. OK. They're not a party to this agreement. Right. Right. Right. And it's addressed under probably number seven. Okay. Any other discussion? All those in favor? Simultaneously. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Moving on to manager's report. Again, we'll take the first thank you very much for your time last week. We'll take all that input and we'll summarize it. Put it back up in front of you on February 7th and also lay out a calendar for you to take a look at with the various topics we discussed. Also, I just acknowledge tomorrow we have a planning commission meeting. One of the topics will be housing policy. So that will be what? I'm sorry. House is all. Just a reminder. Cast is the 27th and 28th and I believe Barb is taking RSVPs just to note on the morning of the 29th. We'll have a couple speakers here in the council chambers, but one of the sessions will be on, what do a variety of speakers see in terms of the future of resort development? It's on the 28th. 29th to 29th. 28th. 28th. 28th. 29th to the Saturday. 28th. 28th to January. Not February. That. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28. 28 Any questions on the rest's report? Moving on, agenda for the next time Council meeting, February 7th. Question for you, at the retreat, we discussed having some work sessions. Item number four is obviously one of those meaty discussions. And we have put it into this agenda. Did wanna ask given the discussion you had about work sessions. We should probably try to have that next Monday then. That's true. Oh, good point. What? What? Four closures, though. Oh, once again. The wedding. February. February. After this meeting. Oh. I think there's no sense. I think there's something scheduled for February 7th. Assuming the four-closure sale was January 26th. Right. I don't remember. Part of the discussion is being prepared potentially for a set of questions. Well, I think we can still have. So, you know, you can begin this discussion, but John's right, you discuss doing this after foreclosure. Right. Maybe postponed several times. And they get, yeah, postponed again, but what is Council's desire to schedule it on the second Monday as we talked about. We work sessions. Well, it really mattered to us whether it's... That's Valentine's Day. That's Monday. Tuesday's Valentine's, isn't it? No. No. It would be Monday. The 14th. Okay. Well, that's not a problem for me. I'm just... Oh! Every day is Valentine's Day. Me, drop! She's working. Well, that's not a problem for me. I'm so happy. Every day is fine. Me too. She's working. Wake up, Dee. Did you hear that? Yeah. Valentine's is not a deity to stop meetings. Depending on the length of the agenda, I'd prefer just to include it in a regular meeting as opposed to scheduling a separate work session. I know if the agenda is not too full, yeah we could do it. Yeah, we could do it. Yeah, it's not too bad. Yeah, let's have that meeting for today is looking at 4.5 hours including that time frame. Right now we're 4.5 hours. Right. With that. I have a question. Jason, what do you see as the structure of that conversation? Is that are we going to be, what are we going to be discussing? I think it's kind of picking up where we left off and taking that discussion a couple steps forward. Hopefully in terms of what it takes in proactive actions to be prepared to answer potentially some questions that will be coming to you from a future developer of the base. John. Go ahead Fred. John, the matter is that we've been discussing. I'm not so sure that it's appropriate to do it here. Remember we were talking earlier on about an executive session. Would it be possible to incorporate that because in either first thing or last thing in this meeting? thing in this meeting? Yeah, am I hearing from you that you don't want to do the 90-minute base village discussion until after the foreclosure? No, no, no, no. Okay. No, I'm saying we've discussed the else on this mind, I guess. We've discussed some stuff that really needs to be brought before the rest of the council and it's probably not appropriate to bring it forward in a public forum at this point. It's my point. You can schedule that at any time. Well for generally we try to schedule those at the end where we don't keep people waiting for. Okay. But is it a long discussion? Is it something that's relevant to this? It is something relevant to the preparation for questions that will be forthcoming. I think Fred would like to receive some legal advice. And he would like the whole council to be part of that legal advice. And I think that's the subject matter that with regard to the upcoming sale and some legal questions that he has and he'd like to share with the council and receive advice on those. Okay. In fact, a Jason's question though, what staff would prepare would we probably pull out some of the information we provided in that policy paper we might add to that but again it would be I think we heard at the retreat that yes you did want to have that discussion now the next task would be how do you want to move forward with that discussion. And so I think that's a good work session candidate, but to do it in a regular meeting. It appears like this meeting, I don't think it's going to be 4.5 hours. I know. I think we're going to the executive session because we have a member of council. It's party to information that the rest of us are not party to. No, no, I'm not party. No, no, no. Absolutely not. He has legal questions and he doesn't. He would prefer that those questions were asked and all of you were privy to the legal advice that he wants to receive. Oh, okay. Then yes, when are we going to executive session at the next meeting on the 7th? After the meeting probably. Yeah, after the meeting. Yep. Well, that also gives you the ability to schedule this after the full discussion. If you do it at the end, if you do the executive session at the end of the meeting, well actually it wouldn't, because your next meeting would then be 20 per cent. No, it's the Tuesday. That's a Tuesday. So 22nd, we have the presidency. Is it a Tuesday? Oh 22nd. I'll try to be at the president's. Is it a Wednesday? Oh, gosh. Is that the 3rd Tuesday? Do you have the dates? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have a meeting date. Yeah. The second meeting in February. It will be the second meeting in February would be the 22nd. Right. Instead of the 21st, which is president the day is the 22nd. I think that the foreclosure schedule my board been so in the third Tuesday of every month scheduled to the 23rd. This was the fourth Tuesday marking. No hold your breath until that fourth Tuesday in February. Yeah. Oh it is. You're right. It'll be the fourth Tuesday in February. What is the 22nd? The 22nd is the fourth Tuesday in February. What is? The 22nd. The 22nd is the fourth Tuesday. Oh, then I'm fine. You're fine. Good to go. John, I have a question. Can we go in the executive session according to sunshine rules on an issue that we are asking for legal advice on. It hasn't happened yet. Yeah. Sure. Okay. So anyway as far as this agenda goes, then let's keep that on that date. Sounds like. Number five, I believe, will be heard by the Planning Commission tomorrow. Okay. John Wilkinson. On that issue, I have one thing I want to, I'm going to bring up is a question of, I appreciate its electric, but is it going to be so quiet that people are walking along their can't hear it? You can bring it up? Yeah, so that's predominant question is, is the safe. Yeah. Right. Well, you know what's there, because I remember walking through Zermatt, Switzerland, and they have these souped up electric golf carts. And they're not 15 mile an hour. These are like 25 mile an hour buggies and they come up on you really quick. I've been seen on the electric shuttle go through there. We need to let this work through the process. No, I know. I just not have any preconceptions or bias until you heard the evidence. And the planning commission gets to hear at first and make a recommendation. Okay. Maybe we'll make a little bells around it or something. So it'll be a little bit scary. I'm not going to prejudge it. I'm just saying that that may have an issue. Remind me. We've already identified an issue. And if the applicants listening to it, it's very possible if they're going to ask you to recuse yourself because you've already expressed an opinion comparing it to another situation that you're aware of and expressing your distaste for it. So you have to respect the process. When you are the judge and you're in a session and you're talking about a case that's not before you, you've made a mistake. Got it? Got it. Good. Anything else for the seventh? No. Okay. Yeah and Russ, let's see what we can do. I recognize tonight we had a long portion of the meeting tonight with this group. We can get staff in and out so we don't pay the time that we have to deal with and that kind of stuff if I help us resolve what we'll typically always do unless we have a big group of the garlic. I do, unless we have a big group of... Yeah, even though I think even if we have a big group, let's get staff as much as we can. Um, through. So we don't end up having an upcoming at noon or whatever the next day. And I'll be back. OK. Approval of meeting minutes four. November 15, 2010. You mean next week? Yeah. Move. Move by Jason. Second. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I the Arnie and Reed were present for that vote. Good care. We were here for the first time. Yeah, that was just the only word physically here, but not for that. I was just going to ask a follow up at the top of that page. It mentions the question about discounted raft of bus passes for snowmast merchants. And there was going to be some follow up on that. Yeah. I've had the opportunity and I was going to bring that up in comments. Okay. Well, let's do that. Okay. Okay. Uh, Google meeting minutes for December 13th. Special meeting. In motion to approve. Oh, move A rule of meeting minutes for December 13th, special meeting. In motion to approve. Oh, move. Fred Cooker, second by. Me. Welcome to me. Nice work, John. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Now we're going to move to council comments. Mr. Welcome to that. Okay, I did talk to Rafta about the discount passes and what I heard back from Dan's blanket shift is that they made a 5% discount available in zone passes to other chambers throughout the region because they help market the zone passes. And apparently now that SVRA is no longer in existence that the discount to businesses does not apply in snowman's village. And if businesses wanted to get the discount passes, they still can join either Accra, the Espin Chamber Resort Association or the basalt. But that was the response I got a bag from Raffta. Uh, Jason? I would just comment that we have a snow mass tourism office that functions much like a chamber and I would encourage the same benefits to be extended. Agreed. I don't know if it's going to be possible. Well, the speaker does it. to be extended. Agreed. I don't know if it's going to be possible. Let's see if anybody does it. There's a whole thing around Chamber of Commerce's and Charters and all that kind of stuff. I don't know. It's one of the benefits. It's one of the benefits. They communicate it as a benefit of membership. Right. It's like this comes to be passes and stuff like that. Yes. and stuff like that. Yes, but just do those chambers pay anything to Raffta to get that benefit or is that benefit conferred on those chambers for no charge? I couldn't answer that question, but I'll be happy to forward the email I got back from Dan Blankenship and you can review it. I think we need to tell suggested Dan that our snowmass ability is very similar to the Aspen Central Railway and Slash Acra and also the salt chamber. And that our businesses are a group that does that and collect sales tax so that we can be rafter. That's the fundamental difference is voluntary dues to a chamber organization versus our businesses don't do that They're tax so they're not contributing because that tax comes from the customer So it's it's not a membership Well, he was I said he was gonna forward that letter off to us as we said. Yeah, you can review it because I don't want to read it for Batum here. It's quite weird. Yeah, go ahead and forward it onto us and press. That would be a good thing. It's part of the business. Okay, anything else? From John, other council comments? Jason Nothing here Did we ever find out what was going on with the lights out by Kerns and brush Creek there's one light at the bulbs been out that brought up at the last meeting and I know it's not on It's not part of the towns responsibility. I don't I know it's not on part of the town's responsibility. I don't think it's probably that part of our property. But we did have a lot of work tonight that I see walking over and trying to dodge if they can be a light there that would probably be. Yeah, it's not one of ours but let me find out. I know the property. A.V.L.S. Fred? No sir. Is there a motion to adjourn? So moved. Fred, second by. Second. Jason Haver. All of them favor? Aye. Aye. You pose. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the you you Thank you.