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I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to put some of this on the video. I'm going to have a call to order it. Over time, Ronda. First time we have his roll call, please. G-I-D board member Bueno. Here. Board member Wilkinson. Here. Board member Butler. Here. Board member Haver. Here. And board member Custer. Here. Board Member Butler, here. Board Member Haver, here. Board Member Cusher, here. The first, the second item I should say then, is item two on our agenda, for summer SkyCab usage on September 10th, versus September 17th. As you see, we've got a letter requesting that change. And you see we've got a letter requesting that change. Susan, can you go through this a little bit for us? Sure. I'd say it's less of a request to not do it on the 17th and more of a request to consider the 10th. I don't know if there are hours that were fulfilled and there are hours there. And the reason is the base now, there's nothing really much going on at all, the gondola ended yesterday. So next week and we do have something in the base, it's 12 hours of snow mass and we have October fest up on the mall. So that connectivity would be really great to send people in both directions. On the 17th, the wine fest is all on the mall and there's nothing in the base not the gondola There are a few t-shirt shops and north-face and that's it So the request again was more for can we run it on the tent to help with the two nodes and heavy activities? So hearing that what is the board's thoughts and discussion and debate? One of my questions is on both weekends using as a garage open the boards, thoughts and discussion and debate. One of my questions is on both weekends, who's in as a garage open? The garage is open and it's free. So we're having people parking in the garage, let's say on the 17th, if we don't have it open the skittles. They'll still be trying to park in the garage and they'll have to get up to them all. Well, if you can share better than you can, but my sense is a lot of people take the shuttle of the locals, there are people who are staying here in the lodges, and then my sense is a lot of people take the shuttles as well because it's a drinking event. So I don't know that we'd actually end up with harking down there, but you are closing to that. Do we know what the occupancy is at the vice for that weekend? We should know in a couple of days the last report is in close enough to give you an accurate number. And just a quick question. Do you know if the base camp is planning on staying open? There'll be open all day on the 10th. I don't know about the 17th. They're open on the 10th because of 12 hours, because they're providing coffee and making sure there's food for the people down there. And John, what do you have the data from the usage of the Skittle last year during the wine festival? No, I saw Russ requested it and I thought Steve's answer was he didn't have that information from last year. So I saw that in our boy. I know in previous years it's been busy, but there's more open and base village back. It's over years ago, so I don't. I think if base campus open and vice-roy is looking decent for that weekend, I think it should stay open. Are you suggesting both weekends? Well, limited schedule on Saturday. You know, maybe it's one o'clock to four o'clock. Well, that was my other suggestion, Marky, is that the Bloom fest currently in the last report I saw that Mary Ann issued, says it's running from 10 30 until 8 30. There won't be anybody here after 5 30 years. Going down to base camp or base camp to eat. If there was open. Yeah. So the other suggestion there is what if we split the hours and put five hours on each of those days? And obviously I see the alternative as our budget can pick it up if you don't agree. I mean, John? No. You know, my personal feeling for garage is open and we're trying to get some activity around here even though it's limited what's going on. We should have some, you know, accessibility to get people up to them all. So I would probably leave them into that ability to have open both weekends that are limited pace because you're right. I think with the people moving around, there's not much moving around down to the base, but if the garage is open and they're using it, I'd rather get them up to that vertical transit. The only other thing for wine festival, we've got a lot more people coming in for Denver. The tickets are pretty strong from the front range, which is great. So if I knew a little bit more about base camp being open, I think people face camp. If base camp were open, I would say, let's help Scott. What are your hours of the wine festival? Generally goes from one o'clock, and then we close by five. But most people leave around four or four, 30. OK. 30. Okay. So if we took the approach of let's say 12 to 5 on the 1st on the Wayne Festival weekend and then with your October fest and that stuff, what are the hours of that? It starts early in the morning, doesn't it? Well, there's activities about 1 o'clock or so, and then people are drinking more from 2.30 until 4.35. But what we could do if this is works, is I understand the 12 to 5 on wine fest makes sense, and then we can subtract from the 10 hours that are already approved, and our budget can pick up the remaining hours for 12 hours. That would probably benefit for everybody. One time is the race start. Seven in the morning till seven at night. And this. Racism all day long. That would be good. 12 hours. Well, yeah. Well, where's the celebrations at base camp? It's at base camp. Then we got to leave the skittles open. We were there. Well, I think the time's suggesting that they could pick up the remaining time. Right. We really do wish to have it run on next Saturday with all these about 200 people, maybe more, and then congregate in the base. And they do go up to the mall. Right. What hours are you thinking about running it? Seven to seven? Probably not that entire time, maybe 11 until four so that the base camp gets the benefit of lunch. Well, how about the evening? So that base camp gets the benefit of lunch? They'll have a healthy day. If you get the celebration at 7, the wrap up, maybe Biker's don't go have a beer after writing 12 hours. They do. They do? They deserve a beer after writing. But don't they need to get back up? They've parked in the base. What's that? They park in the base for the most part part because that's where the race begins. I saw a hub of activity. I think you leave it open. I hate to say this, but I think we've got to do it. John, what are your- Well, I need a clarification. I guess what is being asked of the GID board. You're asking if we will allow to let the Skittles runner you asking us to fund the Skittles being. You're funding 10 hours of time to run for Balloon Fest day and I'm suggesting cutting that back to I think we all feel good about the 12 to 5 and then put the remaining hours 5 hours on to next week and then our budget will extend next Saturday to cover more hours. But yeah your budget is separate from the GID budget and that's a question that the council needs to address if that's the case from a GID board. I don't care if it's open both days for whatever the town's snowmast tourism budget is willing to spend on that. You only have these 10 hours budgeted and so that's why our budget would need to Assume the rest of the hours for next weekend As far as whether or not it can run that's fine. We've done that directly with Steve Suel on other events as well So the dollar well the dollar figure that the council Or siblings will have to think about is about how much do you think then? It's asking if you use the five hours from 12 to 5 dollars. How much we're talking about? Probably $500 that would come out of our budget to pay for those extra hours. I think we can talk to our brethren about the 500. Yeah, we'd have to make that decision when we convene the council. Correct, John? Isn't that a decision the marketing board made? That's what I'm saying. Okay. That's what I'm saying. You've already approved the 10 hours. I'm just asking you how to spend hours differently and our budget will pick up the rest of the day. So all you're asking us to do is what we've committed to do. Yes, 10 hours. Okay. That's fine. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Any motion? A couple of how many? Do we have to define how many hours are being set aside for the 10th and how many hours are being set aside for the 10th? You requested five hours for the 17th if I heard accurately from 12 until 5. So the 10 hours that are budgeted for the? You still? Currently for the 17th we're going to give 10 of those to the 10 or five of those to the 10. Yes. So you five for the 17th. Yes. So I think we just direct staff to go ahead and take care of it. Yeah. Okay. So thank you. Okay. Any other discussion or any other? There's just one other item that is on the GID board. I think a member about a year ago, the question came up about the membership of the GID advisory board. The thought at that time was the foreclosure was going to be imminent and then we'd find out who's permanently going to be a part of base village and then we could possibly choose some of the members. Right now, as you know, foreclosures still going on. Marianne, myself and Russell Farrister on the GI D board, and the moment we don't see any compelling reason to actually point new members down until the foreclosure takes place. Thank you. Is there a different opinion on the GI D board? Mm-hmm. Nope. Thank you. Thank you. Is there a motion for adjournment if there's no other business? Oh, no. Mr. Cooker, second by Markey Butler. Any other discussion? All those in favor? Or adjournments? Please signify to say aye. Aye. Aye. We are adjourned. Moving on. This is for the Stomach Village Town Council regular meeting for September 6, 2011. First item we have this meeting is roll call please. Mayor Bueno. Here. Welcome, son. Here. Butler. Here. Hey, Burr. Here. Cooker. Here. Thank, son. Here. Butler. Here. Hayber. Here. Cooker. Here. Thank you very much. Item number two is for public non-agenda items. If you have something that's not in the agenda, I would like to come forward, state your name for the record. It's a microphone, and we will go from there. My name is Rob Shields. My wife and I own the property in Melton too at the corner of Meadow Road in Meadow Lane. We've had 31 years this month. Next year, our fourth generation will be using the house with us. So we're pretty permanent non-residents. Although I would say that our house is occupied at least eight months of the year because we have grandchildren and married grandchildren living in Boulder who take a lot of opportunities to be down here. We have loved being in snowmast all these years. We live in a great neighborhood. For the most part, all of our neighbors are very considered about taking good care of their properties. There are three exceptions to that, however. One is located at 284 Sinclair Road, which comes down to a little narrow point right across the street from my house on Meadow Lane. And then two rental properties, one at the corner of, that's a vacant lot off of Meadow Road. Of Sin Clariss, excuse me, two rental properties, one at the corner, 11 Meadow Lane. And then one just up Meadow Road at 498 Meadow Road. We have tried for years to work through the Snowman's Homeowners Association, but we are told that because of the covenants which were written a number of years ago that most all of the properties are horse lots. And so we're not supposed to have lawns, we're not supposed to have sprinkler systems, not supposed to mow our lawns, not supposed to have sprinkler systems, not supposed to mow our loans, not supposed to have fences. Well, with the exception of these three properties in our neighborhood, nobody pays attention to those. But they say because the covenants say we should not be mowing our, we can't mow our lawns according to the covenants. They can't enforce the covenants on such things as weed infestation, which get into that in a little bit. Occupancy limitation, maintenance of property and unsightliness of property. And I'm wondering if the council or the town of Snowmass Village can help us out. One of the main problems is, particularly on the vacant lot, it is so infested with Canadian thistle that are taller than our mayor. I'm not kidding Bill, they really are. I've seen a bunch of them as you would have cut down in other areas, so yeah. No, they get there. Yeah. Now, they did go, they did go the property at the corner of 11 metal lane. They did come in about 10 days ago and cut down the Canadian Thistles there. They haven't done anything. Of course, here it is. The first is September. They haven't done anything. Of course here it is. The first is September. They've already bloomed and all the damn seeds have blown under my yard. There is something called the Noxious weed management program that the town of Snowmass Village entered into with Pitkin County. I wrote a letter to Michael Manchester on June 18th of 2004. Got 20 of my neighbors to sign it. And it was a petition to ask the town to enforce that. I can't remember what was done in 2004, but every year it's the same thing. And I don't know if this is something that I need to start in mid-winner so we can get out, action on it, the first of the summer before these things get out of hand. As I understand, they have to notify the homeowner and he has so much time to get back and then they know if I'm again, you know, Rick Griffin, who's head of the snowmass homeowners association, has worked, tried to work with these people in over the years and it literally takes all summer to get something done. So that's one problem, of the of the two rental houses. My neighbor. Do you have those addresses again? Yeah, a love matter road, 498 meter road and 244 some Claire, he said. 11 metal lane. It'll lane, okay. Metal lane. The house at 2.98 metal road, driving up to the council meeting this afternoon, there are four trucks, two cars, three snowmobiles, two motorcycles parked there. Now, this is supposed to be a single family residency. And like I say, I don't know if the town has any sort of ordinances that would enforce people taking care of their yard. I think our next step is to we have a really pretty tough lawyer on our blog. And to get him to file a suit against these people for diminishing of value to our homes. We'll answer some of those questions. I can answer the Noxious Wee one. I believe the town was involved in the 2004 action as the gentleman just described. There's a part of the not just weed act that the town gets on with picking kind. There's a whole slew of notifications that we have to do, which I believe we did do in 2004. And I believe we got compliance then, but I'll have to admit since 2004 we haven't done anything. Okay. So is this something that I would say that's something we could, as we have to wait till complaint, because it's one of those things where other neighborhoods, I don't want to tell our, you guys, make sure you're always looking at weeds and stuff. But how does that work? How do you think that should work? I have to go back and look at the Noxious Weed Act, see what triggers it. There's probably plenty of violations throughout the town beyond just this one. And I know as far as enforcement capability, that might be difficult. But let me look at it and see what the requirements are. Well, I do remember that incident because I think we were involved then. Well, it's my understanding the HOA sprays for the Thistles at least once a year. They do it in, I think they do it in their open space. Yeah, they don't do it on the ground. They do it on the ground. They probably do it on both trees and plants and all that. So it's very cautious. You know, I do personally know that I've had to, in my pines management side, I've had to go out there and call homeowners and say, you need to get this taken care of, or else I'm gonna have to come in and do it and charge you back. So that's how I take care of it in the pines. But I know there are other areas that people call the city, they come and do it and build it back and you know. I don't think we've actually ever done that. We've threatened to do that. I think Pick and County does have a program where they do do that. But being it's in the town, it probably would be more something we wouldn't call Pick and County to do here. I think it's the town's response. Okay. You say you have a tough lawyer and you say you have covenants. Has the tough lawyer read the covenants and found anything that can be enforced against the property owner? I've been to homeowner's meetings and they say the way the covenants are written, they're so out of date that it would be very expensive to bring them up to date, bring them up to speed and try and get 75% of all the homeowners to sign it. Don't my question was is there anything currently in the covenants that gives you any right against a property owner that doesn't maintain this property? They can put a lien on the property. Well, can you cut it down and lien the property for the cost of whatever the doing the maintenance work is? Well, only after you go through this rather convoluted process of notification and they don't respond and you notice them again. But that is something that could be done. Okay, so I guess if I was a homeowner in that subdivision, I would look to the covenants and what rights I have to enforce appropriate care of property and if I've got the right to go in and cut down those weeds myself and lean the property owner for the cost of that that work I certainly do it. Well but the reason I'm here today is to ask if there's anything the city can do or will do because you did enter into this agreement for Noxious Wheat Management back in 2001. It sounds like Hunt said he's going to check back into that side of the equation and get back to us about what we as a town could be doing a conjunction with the county. Is there anything the town can do on the business of property maintenance? Mr. Dresser, do you know anything about unsightly this or anything under our statutes that parking cars in the yard and things like that? There is. There is. There is no limit on the number of cars. I mean you can park cars in your front yard if you want. They can't be up on blocks and under repair of that kind of stuff. Okay. I mean, if they're operating vehicles, they can be parked anywhere on your property. Right. And then as far as his, I guess, his question of having more than one family reciting in a place, there's nothing really the town has anything to say you cannot do that. place, there's nothing really the town has anything to say you cannot do that. It's very, very difficult in these days to constitutionally define a family. Okay. I've been restrict occupancy based on that. I thought that there was something in the code about one parking space per bedroom was allowed. So to me that almost begins to imply and you could only have three cars, a three bedroom on a permanent basis. I look at those pictures. That's a minimum number of parking spots you have to have to have that number of bedrooms. It doesn't have any relationship to how many cars. That's maximum parking. That could park at your house at any point in time. Right. How about snowmobiles and trailers? I thought we had ordinances against that. The town does not. The snowmass homeowner's association does. Okay, you know, I remember this conversation for a number of times that, you know, we've had these kinds of situations and unfortunately, the town doesn't seem to have the teeth, you know, we've had these kinds of situations and unfortunately the town doesn't seem to have the teeth, you know, possibly to challenge some of those things. Well, remember the town was incorporated after the Homeowners Association was formed and there was originally not a plan for a town. And so the homeowners' things were written. The covenants and restrictions were written with that as part of their jurisdiction. So the town probably did feel it was necessary when it incorporated to add those kinds of things to its code, considering all the properties in the village or subject to the master declaration. But again, I go back to my belief in covenants and the process may be convoluted. And obviously I've never read your covenants. But if you've got a, if there are like any other set of HOA covenants, there are rights that the Homeowners Association has against an owner who doesn't maintain his property or maintains it in an offensive manner. The process may be convoluted, but it's really to my mind anyhow, the ball is better in your hands than ours. I mean, we'll certainly look into the noxious weed issue,, but I, if you've got a lawyer and he's unhappy, that's a great combination. Okay. John Wilkerson. Well, I sympathize with you because I'm on 255 Metro Road just down the hill. Okay. So I'm very much aware and I have been to the Snowmass homeowner's meetings and there's been a topic of conversation there there I think ever since we moved to snow mass in the 90s. I think it may be time to take a look at some zoning restrictions that we can put on the single family homes in our area not as far or as deep as the HOA goes. I'm kind of disturbed in a way that we can't and that the HOA can enforce the covenants they have in place for whatever reason. That now maybe time for the town to have some restrictions on number of vehicles parked in a home or on sightliness, because I know other communities do have similar zoning restrictions. If the HOA is not empowered to enforce those and I think it may be time for the town to take that up. Well that would be very helpful I think. Marky? I would tend to agree with John. We have property down in the community down Valley and it's very very clear on the number of families or inhabitants I should say. And it's very, very clear on the number of families or inhabitants, I should say, that can be in a residential setting, a number of cars that are allowed to be parked. And the whole issue around, and slightly stuff. And John, it's amazing times are changing. And I'm very supportive of what you're suggesting if we can possibly begin to contemplate something such as that? Yeah, I'd like to take a look some other restrictions and some other talents to see how they've addressed it. I don't think we can go nearly as far as the HOA covenants go, but I'm sure there's something that we could do to help that enforcement issue. Because I know Donna and have been all over the homeowner's there, but they continue to overreach their usage of the property. Is it for his satisfaction today? It sounds like there's not a whole lot that the town has abilities to do as far as the unsightly. Mr. Conrad has his hand up. A long time since I've had to refer to this, excuse me, so it took me a while to find it. There is a prohibited uses of parking spaces that it basically deals that is prohibited uses of required parking spaces, shall be as followed. Again, these are required spaces, these are not just parking, but it does have required all parking These are not just parking. But it does have required off-parking spaces shall not be used for the storage of removing machines, trailers, motor homes, or construction related or similar heavy equipment. Yeah, that's about the extent of what we have under zoning. I think the question here is, all parking in this rate land use code deals with the minimum requirements and where they could be located. If we want to try and get into addressing the storage of equipment vehicles and other snowmobiles, bicycles, all kinds of things and people's front yards are in their properties, that's going to be difficult and you might want to give it some thought and get back to me as to if you'd want us to try and proceed on something in that direction but the Homeowners Association's generally been the ones that have been most effective in addressing those types of neighborhood issues. So Jason the town's on Enco doesn't have any provisions regarding storage in the setbacks. town's on Enco doesn't have any provisions regarding storage in the setbacks. We don't have that. No setbacks. Storage of what? Anything? Big ol' Arizona. What's that? There isn't. And so I'm saying that if we can think of this and I'll think of it as well and see if there's something we may want to discuss this fall or winter. By definition, you can't put things in the setback without license agreement. Okay, see I'm done. Yeah, in the envelope, there's nothing that restricts it outside. There is nothing more than that. He was talking about in the setback. I'm talking about in the setbacks. If they have some amount of things that they're keeping out in the yard or vehicles or ladders or whatever we saw in those pictures. Can we do some zoning enforcement around that just keeping the property clean to the degree that it's outside of the setback? Yeah. We have, we do have some. And we've made note of these addresses so we'll go up and take a look at them and see what we see. But maybe this is something that we need a, you know, more of a work session at a later time to you know discuss again. You probably need to hear from the organization. Yeah. I'm right. I'm a jurisdiction. I mean, that's why I think we can do that. Why they're not doing anything. Okay. As their members that are agreed by fellow members. And if it was one of those original subdivisions that they put some rules into effect, now times of change. And as he said, you have to get a super majority of residents to allow a change in certain things. That's not quite as easy to get things done because you have to have everybody really signing off on it. How many property owners are there in the subdivision? Well, it's 850, you know, H.O.A. And you're talking about the... It's no matter how much homeowner's association. The master's association. But I'm talking about your subdivision. No, they don't have it. Okay. It's a master association that we're talking about. Sound welcome, Sun? Yeah, what I'd like to suggest is put this on as a agenda item and ask the management of the HOA for the Snowmass Homeowners Association come and discuss this with us. I mean, we do have some nuisance zoning laws in force that you could apply, but they're pretty broad in that well defined. So I suggest we put this as an agenda item at some point. That's why I think if we do a work session at some point, then we can invite those and have the good hour, you know, hour and a half long discussion about what the pros and cons are. Because if they're not enforcing their own covenants, then we do have an issue. I always thought that they were doing that, but apparently... But he does what Rob says. They're codes are so lax, and their CCRs are not spelled out for today's needs. They were spelled out for the needs when the place was put together. Well, they're there, but they can't enforce them because they haven't been enforced. Let's simply going to say that I've been talking with Russ and we were thinking about trying to bring a few policy issues regarding signage. You remember we were going to work on that and return it to you to where we posed some certain questions dealing with sandwich board signs and other banners and so forth and try to get some direction from you. We could also discuss zoning as it could relieve some of these issues that are being discussed tonight for you to discuss. We could do this in the context of a Work session and as long as at the same time as John suggests for somebody that we invite the other HOA board Executive board to come and talk with us about this. That would be great So unfortunately Rob, I don't think we have anything to give you some satisfaction today Well, I appreciate you time and how anything to give you some satisfaction today. Well, I appreciate the time and I'll call you this weekend and we're talking and we'll fit it. John. That's on the junk issue, on the weed issue we are going to undertake. Right. Right. So, on the two issues, it sounds like we are going to look at the weeds and take care of that. Good. Thank you very much. So, I believe is that more than two council members, you and John? Yes, there were. Three. There was at least three, so let's make sure. Jason, what do you think about the week in the zoning discussion? And that all sounds fine. Marquis? Yes. Myself, yes. Mr. Wilkinson? Yes. Mr. Cooker. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. Moving on, we have item number three for council updates. Unless there's anybody else who has a non-agenda item. Any other non-agenda? No. Okay. Next we have the council updates. Jason today. Great weekend. Nice. Jazz Aspen. Just wondering is since we have Chris here and Jim, is there an opportunity for a debrief or do you guys do a standard debrief after that event on on jazz, just a few involve the police department and all the town departments has now went for them what they may have seen. So we were able to improve upon each year. Okay. That's something we've done for a number of years now. I have a little feedback to give. I'll just get with you guys directly around. Also, let you know Jason on that question. Jim Horowitz requested some time in the near future to come talk to us. So that will be an opportunity other than talking to Chris, we can talk directly to the organization. So I want you, the staff level discussion does not go into the discussion that he wants to have with Mr. Horowitz wants to have with you. Iowitz wants to have with you. I don't know. This is an operation. So, debrief. Yeah, and I think there are a few operational just details that could be improved upon for next year. Well, but Jason, I can't let you direct staff directly. So, if that's something, you know, we've got to keep away from that. I'm not talking about direction. I'm talking about providing feedback. Forward your comments to us. Fine, this happens to me all the time, council members. You just bring it up and things that Chris can take a look at, he's not directing him anything, so it's fine. Okay. Markey. Well, it was a great weekend. Enjoyed it. I really got to know Mr. Wilkes, so quite well as we enjoyed the same table together in the night. Mr. Wilkes of quite well as we enjoyed the same table together. We had a good time. I'm so very proud of our talent for this wonderful event. And I will also say that some other things I was able to introduce David Washington, who is really going to town. That's right. A lot of folks in town this weekend and so he, as a new member of the community, his position he's in now, it's the fellow who bought the silver tree and Wala Wood and conference center. So I got him to, and it beat reduced to a number of folks around the community, and they were all very impressed and enjoyed it. Thanks for doing that, Bill. And I won't go into my other thing, letter to the editor. Well, in those similar lines, I want to think the talent staff and all the volunteers that really went out of the way to make this event happen. I mean, it was like the biggest jazz snowmast festival in the years. And it really ran smoothly. I'm going to be thanking Raft at the Raft meeting on Thursday because the buses ran so well. Everyone was able to get around. And I really think the people that were volunteers to help make this a very successful weekend, it was great to read the feedback from our police as well because it was like the no DUIs. And people have figured out you can still have fun, but you can take the buses. And I think that's a great thing. So thanks to Joaz Snowmass. And if we could get the artist to remember there in Snowmass, not Aspen, that'd be a good thing. And the other thing is I tried to tell people, whenever you hear the artist say Aspen, know it's Snowmass. So I've told that to a few people during the deal. So get planted in their mind Fred. I too had a good time Okay moving on Resolution number 24 series 2011 a subdivision exemption for the condominiumization of existing duplex into two residential condominiums I'll lot for Ridge Run unit one subdivision We have Jim's name on this. Take off Mr. Jim. Just briefly the applicant wishes to propose the application as a means to create a condominium map to define the divided interest in the units and also divided interest in the limited common elements for the side Reyards and associated decks and to create undivided 5th percent interest in the general common element out in front of a lot Basically for the general landscaping main driveway and guest parking areas and main driveway and guest parking areas. And I think the applicant is present if the council has any questions. It's a duplex, but what's the legal status of it? Are they rental units now? Are they fee simple units? No, we just conducted a zoning inspection about a month ago. They just finished construction on the- Or there's just new construction? Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Markie. Quick question. There's a lot of duplexes along North Ridge. How are all of those structures there? They all condominium or how? They're wholly owned or what? They're older units and some we have found records where there are kind of minimized plots for those particular units or lots. But most of them just do plexes and they're not kind of minimized. Some are. Okay. Mr. Riland in the back of the real local real estate has hand up. Would you mind coming up and stay in the back of the real local real to have his hand up. Would you mind coming up and stay your name for the record? I was just going to say the town a number of years ago, probably 15 years ago, allowed all of those kind of minimized, all of those duplicates just to be kind of minimized, to account for separate ownership and everything. And they did it with a couple things. They had to add the map, I believe, Jim. And they had to have condominium declaration just outlining how expenses were. So it was, you know, so everybody knew, you know, it was on record and it was recorded and that had been recorded. And you guys have always approved everyone that's come up since then. And I say probably 80 to 90% of them have been condominiumized on Northridge. That makes sense. And that might have been for the duplex of Arizona, that Arizona, not the time. But I think most of them are individual, kind of, kind of many maps. Marky. I only have one more question. So if they're individual, and Greg may know the answer to this, but when I was going through the bylaws and everything else today, if I want my side painted purple and my neighbor wants some painted red. I can do that, right? Based on, I mean. They got a gross dumbass homeowner's. Well, I know that the colors, yeah. But it's not in our color palette, but just as an example, and then we own some duplexes and some place else and that always becomes a challenge. Well, whoever, I think the two unit owners would have to compromise and have- Yeah, well, it doesn't happen. But there's so much homework that does protect the painting a lot of things. I know they get set up. Well, I know that. I was just my example. Just making sure. Typically, those kinds of control elements are resolved by the condominium declaration. Okay, thank you, sir. Okay. So we have a, what are the council thoughts? Should we go through the resolution? Make a motion to approve it? Some moved. Let's go through. Motion to approve by Marquis, is there a second? I get. Seconded by Fred, for discussion now. Couple of questions on the road. We'll have Jason. One I think in the second whereas says the application was received in 2006. That might be a typo. I think in the report it says it was 2011. And then in the second finding, under findings number two says the applicants represented that the Gladysburg conveyant some title and financing construction of units that would run place That have anything to do with this application. No, that's a type on the limousine This would be the rich the bridge. So delete the second finding. Maybe. So, line 15 being changed to 2011? Why were we going to check on that? What date should that be online? 15. Should that be 2006? Line 15 year of the date 2006 is the date the application was submitted Well, it's actually July 20th 2011, okay, okay Make good change and then item two that probably could just simply come out. Yeah, that's just okay Thank you further Clarifications or alterations? Just a curiosity under the conditions. Item number two, it says. All actions or matters in the opinion of the planning director or the countertourney. Is that standard that we leave it up to either one of you or does it have to be both Science sign the plot right so if anything comes up the Or the other one of us say red flag right that I signed to form he signs the contact That's a content that is required in our code If either one of us says we're not signing it, then they have the ability to come back to you. Okay. That was good. That's all right. Anything else? Being, we have some amendments that sound like staff's taken care of. The amendments are changing the date of July 20th, 2006 to 2011. July 22, 2011. Second amendment is to remove finding number two. Are those all acceptable? Is there a motion to accept those amendments? So moved. Marky Butler, second by. Second. Chasing. All those in favor of those amendments, please sign up by the thing aye. Aye. Any opposed? Now, is there a resolution 24 with those amendments was made by. Marky. Marky. Second was by Fred. Fred, thank you. Any further discussion? All those favor? This amendment? May the resolution 24? Please signify by saying aye. Aye. Those opposed? Passed unanimously. Thank you. Item number five, isn't it? No. While we're thinking about subdivision exemptions, you might want to flip five and six. Okay. So we can do the subdivision exemption for interlude and Chris is here seated. He's the one that's going to be handling that, along with myself. And if we don't get Mr. Kiddell too upset, you'll have to wait a few minutes for his presentation. If the parties, the applicants are the same, so they have to stay for both. Okay. Let's make that a switch. So we're going to switch I have six and five rounds. So item number six is resolution number 25, series 2011, a subdivision exemption for the Interlude County Minimum Association and authorization to implement administrative procedures were processing certain subdivision exemption requests in West Village. Mr. Conrad. I'm going to defer to Mr. Dresser who'd like to speak about the subdivision exemptions in West Village and just no ask for the association. And this one in particular as well. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Dresser. Go ahead. As you all know, because we've talked about this before, the SRA is undertaking their dissolution plan to wrap up their affairs and become a defunct corporation. Part of that is divesting themselves of assets. Part of their assets are a lot of land that were subject to that master declaration way back when Snowmass was formed, which the entire West Village was common area except the Eve lines of the buildings that were built. The only thing those owners own were under the Eve line and then they owned all the rest in common. So over the years, some of these have gone forward and been transferred to the associations according to lines in space, I guess is what I'll call them. And now as the SRA dissolves itself, they find themselves with several parcels that they have to divest themselves of and they want to give them to the appropriate in their decision and adjacent kind of many associations. They've known the SRA has known for a long time that this requires a subdivision exemption process. The SRA has decided not to comply with that and on instructions of the town council, staff has not enforced the requirement of the subdivision application against the SRA and hopes that at some point we would be able to clean this whole thing up and SRA would be gone sooner than later. The SRA back in December and January started giving bargaining sale and quick claim deeds to the individual associations, conveying to them these sliver parcels that surround their properties Sometimes they're just the adjacent sliver sometimes they're the sliver that is actually what you would consider their common area and Here at the interlude there's a space between the ski run and the actual Common area of the interlude and that has common area of the interlude. And that has been conveyed by the SRA to the Interlude kind of minimum association. They are here today to ask for subdivision exemption so that that is legally and includeable in their common area. Staff's recommendation obviously is that it should be and that it's a proper subdivision exemption. They've met with all the applicable regulations and that we believe that this will be for the benefit of the community. Secondly, what they have agreed to do, the Interlude Association, is allow their subdivision exemption request to be an example of the many future sliver transfers from SRA to the individual associations. And rather than bringing each and every one of them here to you counsel, because they are almost identical, virtually identical, in that they've decided these slivers are going, they be an SRA, they've transferred them to the associations, the associations want to come in and remove any impediment on title, which could be a question about subdivision exemption. So in addition to the subdivision exemption in the resolution, we've also added an administrative procedure which we'd like you to approve in conjunction with the subdivision exemption which will allow a record of decision to be recorded issued by the Planning Director under the provisions of an administrative modification in the code to allow these future sliver transfers from SRA to be handled administratively and not have to come to an agenda item like this. We felt that the best way to do that was to have one in front of you so you could see it. This is an example. Interlude was gracious enough to go first and so we're going to ask you to do that. So that's also in the resolution. Other than that I don't think there's anything else that I would present. So Chris, if you had anything you wanted to add? Well this seems to be going rather smoothly but the only thing I wanted to add with concerning inter concerning include it's a fairly straightforward application. They did receive property from the SRA in 1989 and now they're receiving this land on the other side. Both of those transfers will be cleaned up with this subdivision exemption plan. You will note on page 26 of your packet and if you don't have a large drawing you were supposed to have, I have some copies but you'll see that there's the area that is diagonally shaded and that's the subject portion of it is the subject of what Mark Kiddles going to talk about regarding the re-op but that is actually land that the town does own that somewhat within the interlude properties. If that were to reach a point and jump in, John, if you believe I'm incorrect. But if that were to be resolved to the extent such that the town would be wanting to deed that to the interlude, we could then include that within this plan or a subsequent plan administratively. So then this whole thing wouldn't have to come back to you again because of one other little thing. Questions? I have one other point I want to make. In order to is also graciously along the southwestern border of the new plan to grant a five foot public skis. So that's the task. Yeah, we met on site with the president and the Dave Spence and Jamie Downs out there last summer and the other side of that line. So the further to the west, we hope that when Lordalwood comes in for their subdivision example, they're going to match that. That will be a center line of a 10 foot. I was going to say a five foot line. It's a pretty tight time. You also have to understand, John, if you look at this map closely, where you would access along that sidewalk between Timberline and Laurel Wood from lot 12, 13, and I don't know if you'd use a lever 11, that might be a wet. The ski'sments also right there. So this is really, but it preserves it forever. And the reason that was so important to this one is because as you know, almost all the other lots have a road. One of the ABCD lanes to go to the slope. Galen Lane is the last one which is below this. So this makes lots 11, 12, and 13 much more accessible to the ski area. And it is, as I said, the ski isments there, but it is a community benefit for us to have this easement in perpetuity. And even if we, Lordalwood, doesn't go through with the process or they do, which I think they will, at the very minimum, we have that five foot subtraction as preserved. Questions and staff, what you see? Mr. Wilkinson. Yeah, John, I'm a little uncomfortable with combining the administrative procedures with this resolution. I'd almost prefer to see it as a separate one, so it's not tied to any one particular application, so we don't have to be referring back to the interlude agreement resolution. Is there a reason why we wouldn't want to split it up? Well, you can't take action on something. If you take action on something in a separate resolution to do that and set up an administrative process, you might as well amend your code. Oh. This is a deficient way of. This is a delegation of an administrative authority based on a set of facts that are going to be repeating themselves. You would have to go through and make those findings and do all that each and every time if you did it in a different manner or change the code. This is specific to the SRA transfers. This is limited to and not only just the SRA only that the transfers pursuant to their dissolution plan. It's limited even further so it's not just some other words they couldn't just for example give the pool site to Dave Spence under this right? It's only pursuant to the joining property adjacent properties pursuant to the dissolution plan. If I understand it all the property has been transferred so most all most all most all transferred they're still working on it. See here's the conundrum is that SRA is quote-on of money. So they're making each association pay for this process to prepare the legal descriptions, the plats, everything, and then pay their lawyer as well to draft the deeds and record them before they can even come and ask you for it. Okay. But sooner or later, this will all get done. And it is for the benefit of the condo associations that it gets done. And all we're helping them do, and in fact, is keep it, get a clear title. So come the day that they want to sell the place, nobody's going to raise an issue about they're not having been subdivision approval. There's no downside to us doing this and there's tremendous upside to the condo associations as I understand it. Correct. And I think the simpler, given the fact that they're spending all the money, the simpler and easier we can make it for them, the better it is. So I'm in full in favor of this resolution. Is that a motion? That's a motion to approve this resolution. Second. Thank you. Further discussion? Mr. Wilkinson, anything? Well, I actually had a question on line 128, which is on our packet page 24. Okay. And it says if the above terms and conditions are not timely met, wouldn't we want to put in some sort of time date because it's a pretty broad definition. Well, online 119 is this 90 days. Good. Okay. Does that answer that for you, Jim? So I guess what his interpretation of that would be somewhere in that 90 day frame Unless they show good cause and there there could be In the area in your one question I have was you know in that area it says a page 26 The area which is SRA ownership that's when it says land transferred from SRA to interlude 1.27 acres, which I guess is currently ski hill. Geesment now. Yes. This, and nothing else allows a change of that to become building where condos could go or. Well, it's similar to what we, it's in a ski easement. So they would have to get permission from the ski company first Then they would have to get approval to change anything within as we did recently with Timberline condos in the pool area in the dex Wasn't there a finding that allowing this didn't Anyway benefit like their development finding that allowing this didn't any way benefit like their development potential? There are no entitlements by virtue of this resolution. They need to come in for an amendment before you know. Hearing that or the other questions or? Yeah, John. I just want to go back to that because you're comment on line 119 that only refers to three executed mylar's within 90 days. Section 6 refers to all of the conditions, not just the mylar. Well, I guess Mr. Dresser was thinking feeling 90 days. Well, not really because they're going to go after this approval. They're going to work with us. Condition number three requires that the myelars be submitted within 90 days. That's the only time. Okay, well so. So if the above terms and conditions are not timely met and the applicant is not applied for an extension of time, be it the 90 days they're cooked. Okay. Unless we count council at their discretion grants for their extension. It doesn't, I know the term are not timely met. I don't really like it either, but I just didn't really get too concerned about that. The only thing is the other four conditions all resolved to finishing the minor. I mean if you read them that's what they that's what they're all about. I'm not that detailed in that so I'm depending on staff expertise to help us with that. Timely means 90 days. Good. Okay. From this approval you have to go through the review to the satisfaction of the town attorney and the planning director of the document. I the planning director of the document. I'd like to call the question. Or to be recalled those in favor of the resolution number 25 please send it by the saying aye. Aye. Aye. Close opposed. Passes unanimously. Thank you very much Dave. Thank you very much. Now move on to Mr. Kittle. Thank you. Now we're going to move back to item number five. This is for the Interlude Reop waiver. We have Mark Kittle's name on here. Sorry for moving you off with Chair momentarily, but thanks for hanging around, Mark. What's going on? Which we all know. But you know. Mark. Hi. I got it, right all know, but you know. I have a microphone. I had a request from the INAIRLUDE economy and association for a waiver of the re-op fees for an area they call their courtyard, which is approximately 6,000 square feet and it is the hatched area that Chris Conrad referred to earlier. Okay, and with that I'll turn it over to the applicant, Jamie. Hi, I'm Jamie Downs. The interlude is asking the council to waive the re-appees. But, but- Mark? Nothing, I'm sorry. Okay. The interlude does not currently own this area. However, the town has approached us a number of years ago to accept the ownership of this area. The interlude association feels in order for us to accept the ownership we need to snow melt it so it's safe areas for our owners and our guests and our employees. This area is pretty much used. It's the parking area, but it's also a pedestrian plaza, as you may say, because that's how you get from one building to the other. You walk through there and get to the slopes from the units. I'm trying to find the USB drive on this so I can put it, I'll show you on our map. We're doing it, but I can't seem to find it to plug in the, um, she's getting the sides. I imagine. I'm just running the back. I know. I see. Okay. She doesn't have a pack of it. We can help her. We can help her. You can have questions now and on to that stuff we can shut it up. She doesn't have a pack of it. We can help her. We can help her. You can have questions now and on to that topic. Okay. We can shut it up. Okay. She's reading on. Okay. Who was it? Function F2. Okay. Okay. Okay, sir. There you go. It left with his name. Yeah, okay. There we go. Okay. So the shaded area that's in yellow and this tiny little here, Right there in that section right there is all the 6,000 square feet. From this point here to this point there is the 20, what is it, 20? That was the 30 feet. Yeah, the 30 feet. That's the largest area. From here to here, it's 17 feet. And pretty much 22 and 20 down here. The average SUV is 18 feet. So even when we were looking at things to cut this back, we didn't find an area where we could actually cut back. Because when you're trying to get out of those parking spots, if we just snowballed part of it, We didn't find an area where we could actually cut back because when you're trying to get out of those parking spots If we just snowballed part of it the three feet that we're allowed You'd have the hump number one. It just it's makes it very awkward as it is the way the setup is It's more points And then you can see almost for the you're name for the record. My skips in Claire on the manager. We have for employees and guests the access through here is they come down through here and it to access the elevator, which is right here. So there's a lot of pedestrian traffic between those two corners of those buildings. Also the ski slope. Also the ski slope, this is a sensitive, people ski to here, we have ski racks. Right here, they walk down and access this building coming in. So they're walking across the courtyard there also. Majority of these people that ski walk from this elevator straight to the ski slopes. That's where that little ski easement we donated there. So the people ski and also, and that's also where they transfer any serious injuries, ABH. That's where the ambulance comes to Commitum, right? So that is still be accessible with snow, covered. And this area is completely shaded. It's in this it's shaded Pretty much all day long so there's no natural melting going on except for the weather of course Yeah, we'll go into a nice rank about me. We'll we'll finally get some sunshine right in here You know right on the North edge there Okay the north edge there. Okay. And we have your pictures in our packet showing the ice, you know, pond, ice skating area. We've always wanted more ice skating, but apparently not in this location. Yeah, exactly. It's hard to feed. I noticed in your letter that you had written to us dated June 27th, 2000 letter 11. Your fee calculations are much different than our fee calculations. How did you come up with your calculations? The 6,000 square feet minus the 50 square feet per unit, which is 27 times 50, because there's 27 units in there, because based on the way the re-op was originally dropped, and then times the remainder by 34. And then divided by the 90% efficiency. Right, so I didn't do that, I don't think. Yeah, because that adds more to it. So that's why I wanna, I read the difference between our staff reports saying your fee on their calculation is about $226,666 and your assumption was $148,800. It's still a lot of money. Oh yeah, hit up. That just the snow melted is $160 at the max. So it's twice as much for the association to do that. Have you found any ways of trying to do renewable resources and trying to incorporate that into the thinking or you're just looking for a total waiver or partial waiver and a partial in lieu of fee? We are looking for a total waiver. I think my association in order to accept the property from the town would want it to be safe for our owners and our guests and our employees. We don't want the liability that we would have if we took it as is now. So they are looking for a full waiver. Okay. Other comments, I guess with that, Jason? Just Mark, in your your number the 226 so we need to account for the exemptions at 50 square feet times 27 units that's Square feet off that so that's more in there. 1300 square feet. It's square feet. That's a substantial. We should figure out what that is. A new number, I guess, with that number, you know, so 1300 out of 6000. Let me talk. What is the number we can all agree on today? What it would be? 4650. 4650 square feet. The boyloads would be the same as the boyloads are 83%. Dave, you've got to speak it to a microphone Dave, but you know. The boyloves what he was saying is that the boyloves are 83% right now. We would have to get new boyloves for the snow melt system. Anyway, right now we need a vitri- required for exterior snow melt to have to be 90 or better. Fred Cooker. My feeling is why in God's name would we grant a complete waiver? The town is liable if somebody slips and falls here, number one. Number two, they're telling us that they can't do it with any of the numbers that we're talking about. This is precisely why we set up this waiver condition. This was the example we had when we had this discussion. This is clearly a major health and safety hazard for the town. They'll take ownership of it, they'll pay for the snow melt. If we let them snow melt without the re-option, and why we wouldn't do that is well beyond me. Well because there are some, you know, desires by the community to have a least amount of, you know, snow melt excess, you know, in the area. And, you know, do we sit there and say, you know, this is the appropriate way of giving a total thing or should there be some investigation by the association to say what mitigation can we help to make this less onerous on the on the environment or what we're looking at. And that's part of the main reason why we're here to help push this and I'm granted I'd rather not have government involved with a bunch of stuff but this is something that is in our code and that we have to deal with. So I think there is a little bit of responsibility from the town, so I'd just say, can you come a little better for us? Please. Thank you. I have just a couple of other thoughts. So the town owns the park right now. And by the way, I went by first sight visit earlier today, skip kind of show me around. So thank you for that near time. It was great to get a good understanding. The one thing that concerns me is that I think this is a condition that probably exists on a lot of properties in the West Village, particularly. There are numerous properties that have, you know, building set to the south side of their parking lot that I assume create icy conditions in those parking areas. And so I think a total waiver to me given that this is a real safety concern, I think it sets a bad precedence. And I'm wondering given that the town right now has some liability for that space. And presumably ongoing maintenance and operation costs associated with that. And maybe Hunk can give us any feedback on, you know, if we were maintaining that to a standard of safety that would be expected, I think, in that area, which I understand there's, you maybe can enlighten us on what the real staffs that is right now. But as I understand it, we in the past have gone in with a large loader and plowed out, scraped out the road, and then you pile it up and then you have to haul it out to another area because there's no storage there. So presumably there's some cost to the town for that maintenance and I'm wondering in kind of a compromised scenario, if it doesn't make sense for the town to consider the idea of contributing towards a portion of the mitigation for what's being proposed as the snowmout system. I think I understand why you want to do that. I understand the maintenance issues that are associated with that. And it sounds like the town doesn't want to pick up those maintenance costs either. I think therefore it's reasonable to do some kind of level of waiver for this. And I think there's a compromise where whether that number is reduced to 50% or some number, the portion of that might be picked up by your association, which clearly drives a very real benefit in terms of an improvement in amenity and a more safe and more desirable property. And at the same time, the town recognizes some benefit by avoided maintenance costs, avoided liability, and things like that. So I like where Mark came with his recommendation for some kind of compromise. I'm wondering if we can put real numbers to what that avoided cost might be. Yeah, I think it's important for the council to understand the intersection of next to the interlude that they call the courtyard and the context of what I've been trying to do since 1993. And with through ordinance 22 of 1978, the town and heredit, all this asphalt from the Stomass Resort Association, SRA at the time. And since 1993, we've been systematically been getting rid of it. The first property that we got rid of were the interior parking areas at the Crestwood. And the precedent we set at that time, and it had nothing to do with reops and where they were going to snowmelt or not, was that we will deed the property to you and we'll also write you a check for the value of a two inch asphalt overlay and then you can do with it whatever you want. So that's at the stage and actually it's 1991 and then subsequent to that the same process we took place with the Tamarack circle, the town used to them plus the parking areas in front of it. Interlude, there are a couple of spaces around the stone bridge in and condominiums. And so the, matter of fact, the interlude, we've actually had an agreement with the top of the village. It hadn't been executed yet. It's kind of caught up in a lot of these SRA slivers. But we have an agreement with the top of the village that we will give those eight driveways back to them. Also the value of a two inch asphalt overlay. And when we met with Dave Spence and the other crew on the Inelute, again, has nothing to do with this re-op issue, that was the same proposal we gave to them. So at the moment, I would not be, whatever you do with the re-op, that's really kind of up to you, but I wouldn't be interested in actually contributing to the reop, that's really kind of up to you, but I wouldn't be interested in actually contributing to the snow melting of that area because that would be something that if I were to come back and say, why don't you give me, because they snow melt a portion of their area and some of the other areas. So I would not be in favor of what you're talking about. I'm not talking about covering any portion of the cost of snow melt. I'm talking about covering a portion of the cost of mitigation fee, the re-opt fee. So if they're required to mitigate either through some fee or some purchase of renewables, presumably we're avoiding costs by no longer having to maintain. I actually raised the moment I'm not maintaining it anymore, they are. Because we said, what's the cost? You're avoiding costs all together today. Right now I'm avoiding it it anymore they are because we said what your boarding cost all together today right now I'm avoiding but not liability. Yeah but not liability. He's correct. Yeah in fact you're increasing potential liability by not maintaining it. I can't maintain to the standard. How much does it cost for a two inch overlai for that size? I don't even know if it's giving you that amount. I don't even know if I can't off the top. It was 6,000 feet times. I don't know. There's a number he has. There's a number there. Yeah, there's a number of balls. Which we would do anyway. Without this. But so ballpark is at $5 of footers at $10 of foot. We don't even know. I should know, I should know, but I can't do it off the top of my head. There's a lot of factors on that. Okay. Can I ask you a few more questions? Jake, go ahead. Do you want a little market? Quickly mark if you could clarify. The fee that we just talked about, and I guess we just came to some understanding that it was roughly in the $160,000 range if we talked about it. With the exemptions, yes. With the exemptions, can you talk about, in terms of application of REAP, that fee is the 100% mitigation obligation, right? That's correct. 50% of that would be the onsite or offsite renewable. So if I was going to purchase or I was going to install, I would be ultimately only obligated to $70,000. That's correct. So if we wanted to talk about a cost share of that, or what we're really talking about, the association being on the hook for in terms of mitigating, and regardless of whether you want to put something on your roof or you want to buy into some offsite option, now we're really only down to $70,000. So only a fool is going to pay the $160,000. Now we're down to $80,000, I guess, really. From mitigating it. So that brings that into a much more reasonable number, especially if we're talking about. And again, we haven't heard a number in terms of what that ongoing maintenance would be if we were maintaining it to a standard. But presumably we're avoiding some cost by no longer having responsibility for that area. So I think there's some reasonableness to talk about a cost share and the town not being hypocritical in terms of exempting ourselves from this type of mitigation and allowing snow melt to go on. So frankly, I would be in favor of kind of a 50-50 cost share between the town and the interlude. We're only talking about 80,000. I got to think we're looking somewhere close to that over a couple of years of maintenance. So from the town standpoint, I think that seems reasonable. Mark, you then, Dave Spence? Question for you. What's the price of a boiler? Probably about $10,000 to $15,000. So if I say $12,000. And how many, and we're talking about snow melt what was the price of the snow melt Jamie? It came to about 160,000 with the boiler though. We already added that in. The 160. So, and you have how many units did you say you had? There's 27. 27. And if you have talked with which I know you have talked to your homeowners, your association, they're the interlude. What is the threshold by which they are supportive of moving forward in terms of thousands of dollars? This is not a cheap price tag. No, absolutely not. They want to move forward with the $160,000. Let's say $160,000 plus your re-up. If it was 70 or 80, what's their threshold of acceptance? There really isn't a threshold. They really wanted to have the re-up waived. So there was no discussion with me on any kind of negotiations on, okay, we'll take the $40,000 or $80,000 or whatnot. I do have one of the board members here at Gregorlán, so he can. Well, when I think of 160,000 with 27 people, what's the term in terms of how quickly they need to pay that to the association? Is that a three-year window, five-year window, or one year window? One-year, lovely. One payment. One-time. One payment. Because they can't, but I don't have the budget to sit there and they've got to pay it right away when they get the work done. But you can finance that. You can find it for a person. That's not quite money, too. That's not money. Is this something you want to do today or this year? It will be next spring. It will be next spring. It will be next spring. I have to tell you something. I'm sorry if I'm going to offend people. But I don't think cutting the re-optie in half or cutting it in a quarter makes a damn bit of difference. We're not saving the world by not taking this re-oppy. You've got people who are slipping and falling on this thing. We got the town liable. If these guys are being straight with us and they're saying we'll pay 160,000 bucks and that's it. I think we ought to let them pay 160,000 dollars. I just don't think we're changing the environment by taking half a re-oppy or a quarter of a re-oppy. Okay. Hey, the old's, Markey? Well, I'd like, let me finish where I was going with this. You are excused. Well, you excused them. I don't know, shall I? Yeah, yeah. Well, in terms of that, $160,000, and you've got to pay that within one year for each one of these homeowners. For some of us who have been second homeowners, it is a very pricey check when you go to write that thing. And yes, you can finance it. Yes, you can do a variety of things. But we're trying to get this environment or this environment in which we live, safe and secure for everyone. in which we live, safe and secure for everyone. And I come back on that, I keep harping on the issue of health and human safety. And if you've never, ever experienced a massive break or a concussion that has the ability to kill people or a broken neck when they slip on the ice, my God, you could spend millions of dollars on reupties, but I just think one life is far more important than 160,000 or 80,000 or whatever the number is. I'm going to agree with Fred. My understanding back when the reupt was approved, we talked about waivers in that condition and this was the example, exact example that I was told about in consideration of a waiver. So I think we need to stay true to our word and I'm not for any mitigation or them paying any snow melt reoppy. Okay. Dave Spence. Dave Spence and I'd like to follow on what Mark, towards out of my mouth almost, but Jamie and I and Skip on some, we attended meeting after meeting on the reop trying to find a way to make it make sense for multi-unit complexes like the interlude. We knew this problem was out there and we were pleading with council and with Mark to try to make it make sense and it was a default back to a council decision. But 27 residents in the 6,000 square feet is only 222 square feet per residents, which is about the same as what we automatically give a home up, you know, private residents and most of the potas changed. I think it's 200. We've got all these people high density with a pool of ice at the foot of their stairs. And I honestly thought when we left at that last council meeting where the council was gonna review these individually that we needed to meet the four criteria that you have on page nine. And I honestly think the interlude meets every one of them. First of all, on the previous page, we tried to reduce it to a smaller square footage as we could, and we really can't find a way to get under 6,000. And then after that, it's public safety, which I think is a community benefit for anybody cutting through there. B is there is a public safety need, see as unique site considerations. I mean, it's a black ice in there for three months. Unique site considerations of the property cause undue hardship. We meet that one. We've done everything that you all ask, and I would plead that you give us 100% waiver because we think we've justified it. Thank you, Dave. Jayce. I just have to take issue with the notion that you're talking about an undue hardship. You're talking about a $160,000 project among 27 owners at this property. And in the scenario I laid out where we're talking about a cost share on an $80,000 fee that roughly puts $40,000, which is less than $1,500 additional on each of your owners. I think we're talking about a pretty small number here in the context of your bigger project. And I think your unwillingness to consider a compromise like that shows exactly where you're coming from. It's an unwillingness to contribute and accept the things that we have on the books here. These are concepts that are supposed to be applied across the town. We're talking about a concept where the town would take on some of that responsibility, except some of that cost associated with that, subject ourselves as an organization. To exactly what we expect from other properties. And I think the undue hardship argument falls flat in the face of the broader project that you're talking about. Okay, Mr. Wilkinson. Well, I got a question here because you're saying that you'll take over the ownership of the space. I would rather have that in place before we authorized any kind of waiver. Why would they do that, John? Why would they do that? Why would God's name do that? Well, John do that? Why in God's name would they do that? Well, John, they're not going to take ownership. Can I have... Go ahead, John. I'm not going to argue with you on this. I think the town has a link with its ownership on that spot. Then I can offer my opinion on having the re-op fee wait. But I don't see giving it up now without that being done at the same time. So it has to be concurrent. It has to be concurrent for me to be able to sign Martinez. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That would probably be acceptable. I think it's great. Greg, Greg, Greg, I need to speak to you. She did a microphone. Thank you. John Dresser. The concept that Greg talks about, I mean, it could very well be a conditional waiver. It's only there provided you accept the land and put it in there. Yeah. OK. And I guess I could go that direction. If it's a conditional waiver, I could be the third to say, let's grant the waiver on this project, as long as they accept it, and we do that transfer. So that being said, is there, look at, what should we direct our staff at to do? You'll need to direct us to prepare a resolution according to your decision here. Right. So it sounds like the decision is at least, we'll take a little motion I guess here. Motion to direct staff to create a resolution that would grant a waiver of the reop fee as long as the condition of them accepting the property as their responsibility and their coverage happens at a simultaneous signing. Second. Second. Second by Mr. Cooker. Further discussion of that. Mr. Cooker. Further discussion of that? All those in favor of that motion? Please signify by saying aye. Aye. Those opposed? Aye. That's four to one. So, staff has some direction about what to do next. We will bring you a resolution in the next regularly scheduled. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. OK. Thank you. No, please. Let's take a, let's take about 10 minute break. That would be good. That work. We'll start back here at 2026. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the you you I'm going to do it. We've got a item number seven here. This is pedestrian crossing recommendations. We've got 45 minutes on this and I'd hope to be done in about 20 Okay And if you now keep asking questions tell you are you're awesome Thank you Arts my name's on this What is it we do today art well The subject of pedestrian crosswalks comes up on a regular basis. People come directly to council, people certainly come to staff. There's lots of things that trigger it. I think it's my understanding and talking to Russ that it was identified as an action in the town council's 2011 work plan. It was also an item of interest at the part-time residence advisory board meeting. And so I think, Russ and I thought it might be a good idea just to put out some general information regarding crosswalks, some of the criteria that staff is now using both in assessing the whether it's a good idea to put one of these crosswalks in and also information that we hand out to the public and so we're all sort of consistent on what, on that criteria. I don't really, right now I can, I can let you know that staff is not actively looking at any areas for the installation of any cross walks currently. Okay. The only exception to that might be the planning process for the roundabout down here at Wood Road and Brush Creek. Certainly that, the pedestrians, how hand out and that we use for your information. And I think it's important to acknowledge a couple of things. One is that the town, of course, spent a lot of, a lot of, made a big investment in pedestrian pathways around the town and pedestrian improvements. Certainly, the snow melting of our sidewalks when we did the improvements on snow melt road was a big improvement. And I understand in the recent discussion about other capital improvements you're talking about improving the pedestrian walkway or adding a pedestrian walkway between our employee housing and the mall up on Upper Fresh Creek which is something that the Public Safety Department certainly is in favor of. The town is not the last, I look back 14 years since we've been automating our records here in the town. We've not had a single pedestrian car accident in this town in the last 14 years. And in fact, the 29 years I've been- That one reported. No. Well, in the last, you know, in the 29 years I've been here, I can only recall one and that involved a young man actually trying to chase a bus to get it to stop and got slightly injured in that encounter. So it's so fortunately we don't have a lot of pedestrian vehicle accidents, although I think we all can have anecdotal stories or have witnessed what we would cause close calls. And certainly we're always working to improve situation. So that's just basically it. And I'm open to any questions if anybody has any. OK. Starting off with myself, I read your pamphlet you put together. And it sounds like even if we do have a pedestrian marked area, sometimes it doesn't, it gives people possibly a fault since the security going into those areas. People still have the ability to not walk defensively and not be aware of the car coming to the hills, not seeing them. The advice I hope we all got when we were about five years old is always to look both ways, not cross the street till it's safe to do so, is always excellent advice at all times. And it is true that statistically more pedestrians are actually hit in mark crosswalks than just out on the open road. And there is some belief that that may be, that there's a sense of security, that they, a false sense of security, you might get in that. So it's just, it is important that if you are going to install one of these, that it meets, it's going to have a positive impact. And so there, I think you were correct, Art, that the one of the main areas that I've been seeing is a location that we should be thinking about. Just right out here in front, across from the Congo, walking over to the base village area. Yeah, I think we're in agreement with that. That's a, you know, in some ways, fortunately, it's a, a crossing activity that happens at a certain time of day day primarily when that bus unloads in the morning with all the vice-roy employees and base village employees, ski company employees. And I think our plan for this winter to help mitigate that is to see if we can't have some officer presence at those times we know the bus is, you know, fairly full of those folks that want to cross the road. Try to do a similar program to what we do with following the school buses around our community. And coming up through that intersection from below the conoco up to from the center, lower center up on brush Creek Road, you do happen to watch cars traveling fairly quickly, even though you do have it signed down to 30, 35, come with the hill there? 30 and that would be where, you know, if we were to station ourselves, we'd be trying to slow that traffic killing down a little bit during that that critical time. Fred Cooker? Hardhead, you looked at the intersection of Al Creek and Brush Creek. The crosswalk there, I mean I come through that intersection and off a lot the intersection of Al Creek and Brush Creek. The crosswalk there, I mean, I come through that intersection and off a lot because I have to come out Al Creek. And there's a bus stop there. And I seem to see, not every time I go through the intersection, but I certainly see fairly frequently people crossing the street from one side to the other. Has there ever been any consideration putting in a crosswalk there? There has been a consideration and I think it's one of the areas that we looked at and decided not to put one in. That was a couple of years ago. And so it was looked at under these criteria. Did you mean actually going from the season's four side of the road to the bus stop on brush creek or actually where the two trail connections are on the brush creek trail from across Al Creek just between the firehouse and the intersection are we looking at both? No just basically from the bus stop on brush creek road walking back over to the firehouse. I mean just you know to the other side of brush creek to Al Creek. So yeah so I guess he's saying up Valley raft of people coming into some has sometimes get off there and walk over towards Anderson Ranch. Or going down the hill they walk over to it. It was just a question. Okay, because the other one I always use is an example. For all I know we have across walk there, but we shouldn't have there. Because it would give people a false sense of security to try to get from Brush Creek Trail, which is on opposite the firehouse to the other one because the site distance is so poor there when you when you're taking a right hand turn on the alquic I wouldn't want to put a crosswalk there because it would give a false sense of Jason. I was just gonna say I cross there a lot we live right there Tuesday for it and I cross with my kids a lot. And I gotta say, when we do cross, it's intense. You're really paying attention, you wanna make sure. So I get that side of what you're saying. It's like you get people that really pay attention. I just wonder the idea of focusing more on notifying the drivers with like- Sagnallize. Well not signalize, know pedestrian crossing ahead or something like that like we did with the thing at the vice-roy with their little cart coming across right focusing on that more informing the drivers as opposed to creating all sense of security for the pedestrian right and we have done that a couple of places in the village there was a request when we I think reduce the bus service up at Creekside, you know, there were concerns about more pedestrians. And we put up some of those, those very loud green signs just warning of pedestrian. And so that place, that crossing you guys are talking about may be a good location if we haven't yet, about just the signage issue about the motor. As you know, it's, what you want to do is create some kind of traffic calming awareness kind of thing in these areas and we're working on you know we're always working on that. That might be a good temper or everything just in the interim for Woodrow and breast critique. Yeah. Is there one up there? If you're coming down breast critique out above the road? Yeah. So we put a cut we put yeah, we did it in response to that issue is it came up Okay, and John I know mr. Wilkinson had brought up I think he's the one that brought up some of these concerns with At grade crossings with the roundabouts and that kind of stuff And I think with something we are worried about when the roundabout potentially happens there How do you manage that? Well, I don't know. It's are worried about when the roundabout potentially happens there. How do you manage that? Well, I don't know. It's a challenge with a roundabout. We'll have to probably defer to some of the engineers and planning with that. But as you can understand, the nature and the function of a roundabout is obviously to move cars through efficiently without stopping. And that's very often in conflict with pedestrian crossing action so it's going to be have to be something we're have to take a close look at and come up with the best possible. As far as the one that you're talking about out here between the conoco and the bus stop on the other side of the street when we get into the final sign of the roundabout that we have to consider that crosswalk also that bus stop where it's located now might not be the exact location where the bus stop would be in the future when the roundabout is done. So we need to roll all that together. Right. The bus stop location there, yeah. We change the situation. So there may be other ways to kind of look at that. I guess, you know, because you know, the center, we do have a lot of folks come into the center or walking back and forth, especially in the summertime. It does happen in the winter. I see people and I've even done it a number of times and you know slip and slide and watch out for traffic. So is there anything else today that we should be doing? I don't think there's anything else today. I think you know that I appreciate the point about the intersection down at Alcreek and we'll take a look at that for some signage and continue with our program. And Hunt, as far as designing of the roundabout, you know, these underpasses are how, you know, John was bringing it up to add that to the conversation. Well, I mean, when this issue, right now we're at about 90% of the design for that roundabout without some of the new considerations we need to make out there. At the time it was based on the fact that related to on the Summary of Center and they were going to come in and develop it and add some considerations. So some of that some of those issues have changed. So we just kind of, we don't have to go all the way back to square one. By the way, when the bridge was originally built and designed, they didn't intend to have a sidewalk on the east side or the downhill side of the bridge. And they actually stopped the sidewalk when they first built it. Further up and people went over to the base village sign and the only pedestrian crosswalk we were going to actually have across brush creek was above the intersection where the traffic drops to a third of what it is below. But now since we have actually, they actually did put a sidewalk on that side of the bridge, they extended the sidewalk down to the bridge and so we've actually created a way for pedestrians to get down to the bus stop you're talking about so we need to, I think we're going gonna have to do a crosswalk there as well as above. We also, and we can revisit with the council at the time, talked about a great separated crosswalk in that area. There's some pros and cons of that, it's pretty ugly, but we need to talk about it. Well, the one thing I like to see added to any kind of engineering thought is an island that's halfway across. That would be one way to do it so you can at least get halfway across. And typically that's is what happens when you have the splitter island. You have the splitter island that a pedestrian only has to worry about one way of traffic before he gets to the island and looks the other way. A couple a lot of the roundabouts I've been through have been done that way. And see the thing which might create that island as we have some issues with how you get into the conoco from brush creek before they weren't going to be able to access the conoco from brush creek. Related was willing to have the conoco access from actually interior of the Somalia center. So that's what we might have to create a splitter island out there anyway. And that would be a spot where there'd be safe refuge for a pedestrian. Well, I remember when we reviewed that and that when I was on planning commission and we were looking at grade separating crossing across the roundabout, it would be very expensive and very difficult because it's not only you'd have to elevate it, but there's grade changes on the other side. I mean, it became a real expensive proposition. And I like Jason's idea of alerting the drivers to that there's maybe people crossing the street because that is an interesting conclusion in your guide here is that it's counterintuitive to think that a crosswalk could be more dangerous than the open highway with people looking both ways. Some of the warning signs I've seen recently in certain areas like this are have little LED lights on that don't take a whole lot of, you know, even the sunlight can make them run, I guess. And they just flash a little bit here and there. So my signalized intersection was not intended to say stop light here and let's stop it, but maybe on those warning signs, put a little light around it. We would probably bring that to you before we started to put up a lot of flashing lights out there. It's something we've tried to avoid just because the nature of our community quite frankly. But it may get to that if we get situations where we think that's a safety issue is warranted. We know those technologies are out there and getting to be more widely accepted. And maybe we need to put deer crossing. But yeah, there you go. Well, last night there was a fawn that got hit out there, I heard. A little doggie crossing, people's stuff. Are you sure it's one of the two other comments? I guess one in your recommendation, you said staff recommends an engineering study be completed. Prior to the approval of a mark. I'm sorry. I was just wondering, have we done a townwide kind of survey evaluation of the, I mean, I know we've talked about a lot of the basic highlight intersections, but if we were going to do any kind of survey like that, I assume that's something we could do in-house with. I mean, these criteria are relatively easily understood and simple metrics. So that would be one comment. And then one other intersection that just jumped out at me was where the bike path crosses Al Creek Road at the Little Red Schoolhouse. Oh, okay. I found myself driving there sometimes, and you kind of crest there a little bit, and it's the sight lines or maybe a little bit goofy and I sometimes get surprised by someone standing right there about the cross so I'm memory serves me I think we actually have signs and Crosswalk areas and I'm sorry but it again it shows you though Even with the crosswalk there it's really important that anybody crossing in that location with the crosswalk there, it's really important that anybody crossing in that location. We slow down really traffic in that area too. I think it's be limit drops down to 25 in there. When the school there's an advisory speed limit there. So we've tried to put lots of things there that weren't with the traffic coming out a little red too. I think 35 miles an hour through there. It is for the advisory sign That's right, right, but then the advisory you come down into there. I always touch myself slowing down for that Hunt anything else you want to hear from this group on this on the pedestrian crossing. Yeah, no, okay But thank you. Thank you. I Needle Johnson wants to talk about this. No direction. pedestrian crossing. No direction, no. Mr. Mayor, is it okay if I went through a couple of the things? Sure, let's go through a couple of things. That's a while we're waiting. You have the manager's report item. As you noticed in the manager's report, Russ mentioned we're having a budget meeting on September 1st. he scheduled it for this room at 8.30 a.m. in the morning, but I just wanted to point out court takes place at 9 o'clock. 21st. Not the first. 21st. Did I say first? Yeah. September 1st was a couple days ago. We already have the meeting. Do you remember what you decided? Yeah, we said good. It's done. Yeah, it's done. That's right. It's leading a schedule for September 21st, but there is a conflict with court court takes place at nine John it indicated to me that there wasn't Weren't any trials that day, but they still need to have the nine o'clock court date So it wouldn't be if we're gonna still hold on the 21st and we're still gonna hold it in this room I would probably nine thirty or ten Clock to save safe So let's put that on our calendars for ten o'clock. Do you want 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. or 3 p.m.? Um. Four, probably four. If we get out sooner, we can get out sooner, but you know. Schedule for 10 to be meeting that day as well. That four o'clock that day. Well, that means we have to be done. But there's nothing on the agenda for planning commission. As of, okay, let's work with that, but let's say right now until four. On the 21st. From 10 to four? Yes. Where do you get that? There's schedules. 10 to four. Okay. If it's 10 to two, you can bring your doctor pepper but no. So we did we decide on 10 to 4 then? Yes we did. Okay. And then also I just want to remind you on September 12th, this coming Monday we're going to have you know a work session on the capital improvement projects. I talked to Russ today and we created the CIP council member for that particular meeting, but he didn't want me to send the, he didn't want me to send the, put the packet together until tomorrow morning. So you're not going to see it till tomorrow, but one of the things I was going to ask you all to do was I've put together sort of a survey for those 22 projects and I'll be sending them out in email and you could either actually fill in the email and reply and return it or you can do it with Excel spreadsheet attached. It was just going to be a simple little thing. I didn't think it was necessary for you all to score the projects like we did. You had that in your packet and send your books. It'll be in your books next week so we just did a simple if you could just sort of rate the projects on one to five scale on level of importance and there's a column for you to do that and you'll be seeing that tomorrow. Very good and could I just note for the council members in your books under capital improvement projects is all of the information from the August, we'll get you another one. It's from the August first meeting, Jason, if you have that one, you can always pull it up too. So that information is already in your book, you're just going to have a memo and that rating system and tomorrow's packet for the 12th. That meeting will not be on Granicus. This September 21st meeting, the budget meeting will be. Okay. So you, we don't need to pull this out of our book tonight. You'll pull that tomorrow. You leave it in there. We don't pull it. Okay. Leave it in your book and it'll be in there. Good. Okay. I'll save a tree or two. I appreciate you doing that. Okay. And then also I've Russ wanted me to mention to you that Mary Ann will be Mary Ann will be Be making a presentation of the 12th about financial state state sustainability and she's actually surveyed a bunch of Communities will be let you know how different Nispealities are funding their operations whether it's property or sales tax. There you go. Yeah. Okay. And I think that was the last item that Russ had on the manager for. Anything that we want to get back to the manager, I did talk to him today for a little bit. Things aren't quite as easy back there for him. He's having some problems, but he's not sure when he's coming back at this moment, but he'll keep us in touch as his schedule changes. Hearing nothing else, let's move on to the next item. At this point, we can move down to item number eight. This is request for council's consent to a special review application for a bubble over two of TOSV's rec centers courts in winter time. Could I ask all the members is a public please to remember to sign in on the back so I know who's here. If you haven't already please get to that sheet sign in. My name's actually listed by this topic, but since actually, Andy actually wrote the council memo, I'm going to let Andy introduce the project. He also has Sarah Alderson here with him who's on his staff. So I'll let Andy to the presentation. Oh, Andy. Hello. How was everyone? Hello, sir. Close for Andy. Hello. You want that thing like right in you a throat? I don't get a chance to use a very much. I know. You won't learn. We'll train you. Go ahead. My condescend. We're here today to request you, town council, as the property go property owners to consent to the special review application for a tennis bubble to cover two tennis courts and possibly four in the future. And basically we're asking you as the property owners to consent to that special review application process. So let's talk about that real quick. I know a lot of people have sort of called me and were concerned that tonight was going to be, go ahead build it and be done. And that they wouldn't have opportunity for public comment and input. And I said no, there's going to be, this is just basically the beginning formalities for us to start that process. So, Hunt? Yeah, I can answer that. I mean, as Andy's pointed out, you're just actually looking at this as landlord, you're not in a capacity actually reviewing anything. You're just giving, would be giving the town permission to actually enter the process. I've talked to Chris Conrad, essentially what would happen is, just like, happen with a lot of the buildings and facilities that happen down there, we would actually enter a special review is required is the whole the whole property is zone Recreation which allows the facilities are already here. We already have four tennis courts there But special review is required if you're good if you were going to kind of if you were going to enclose it That's what actually a bubble would do and so that's what triggers a special review So I've had people call me as well and I said there's there'll be plenty of time I'm guessing it's going to take a couple of months just to get through that process because there are notification requirements not only for the planning staff but also notification requirements for the town council. So a lot of the issues that people have brought up with me whether you're talking about lighting or how high it is or what the color of it is. All of those issues are something that are typically fleshed out through a special review process. Okay. So, hearing all that, what does Councils... Before you go that way, we also had a... As you noticed in the Council packet, the town would actually be initiating that process, but the reason why we even before you today is the town doesn't have any money to do much down there at the town park. And we had a proposal from ASIT, and that their letter was in the packet to actually fund the capital costs, the construction of a bubble over those two tennis courts, and the town wouldn't be sinking any dollars into the capital cost. Preliminary, we've thought that revenues will cover expenses actually during, I certainly couldn't recommend any of the council that actually increased their subsidy for the recreation center. But that's something we still need to flesh out. So we recommend that you enter this process, but I would like ASEIT to make that presentation. And yeah, Beth here to make the presentation. And she's a longtime resident. Stomach was born and raised here. Some of you might know her father who actually owns a liquor store up above. But anyway, I was going to let Beth make that presentation. And then the council can deliberate and I assume you'll open up to the public as well. Sounds good Welcome Beth You're gonna have to this is this working. I don't know how to do this. You just talk at it. Okay. You know Yes, um, yeah, I'll get up a little bit so it's director ready to mouth. Okay. There you go All right, okay. I don't have to move just stay a mouth. Okay. So there you go. All right. There we go. Have to move. Just stay right there. Okay. Let me know if you can't hear me. Okay. Okay. My name is Beth Mehal and as Hunt said, I am a lifelong snowmess resident. My parents, Dick and Jane Kelly on the village liquor and Cap and cork, open snowmess forever. And so now I'm, you know, here I have three children that I'm raising here. So I'm pretty invested in this town. And I'm part of a group called ASIT. And really what we are a grassroots community effort, we're really trying to enhance and support opportunities in the Valley for tennis. And one of the things that we have been, we're made up of people at different levels, different interests, recreational players, competitive players, parents, all sorts of different tennis supporters. And our focus really has been mainly on enclosing courts for winter use so far because that's just it's such a big need that we have right now. There aren't any public facilities in the entire valley right now that are open to the to anybody. And go ahead, the next one. Yep. So why public indoor tennis is needed? Tennis is growing. Tennis is actually the fastest growing sport, traditional sport in North America. It's growing faster than golf, growing faster than any sport, you know. And it's not only growing in the country, it's growing locally, our high school team actually has a record number of kids on at this year. It's one of the most popular sports in the school and leagues are growing. There's no place for a lot of these people to play. Local club memberships have become out of reach for many of these people to play. Local club memberships have become out of reach for many of these families, for many of these kids, and the winter access is limited, really limited to non-members. A lot of people can't afford the memberships. A lot of people maybe don't want to dedicate that much time to playing tennis every day that would make memberships make sense to them. And there isn't a facility that's just open to the public. And that includes local kids, any local players. It also includes guests. So if people want to come from out of town and play tennis, it's really difficult to do that. That's our next one. from out of town and play tennis, it's really difficult to do that. So this would be what we're proposing is actually would be the only facility in the valley where affordable tennis is completely accessible to locals and guests. And so that's really important. There's just nowhere else that we can go in the winter time. In the summertime there's access to open courts, not enough, but there is access. In the winter time there's no place unless you belong to a club. My son in particular, third generation snowmess resident, he has been driving to Edwards twice a week for the last, since he's 11. He's now a senior in high school. And that's just so he can get court time in the winter time There's just nothing here. He's been driving? He has not. Guess who has been. Yes, he is a mom that spends a lot of time in the car. Yes So but there's others like him You know, there's as I said there's some kids that just want to play a little bit. It's a very social sport. It's a lifelong sport. It's something that has opened up an awful lot of opportunities for my son. He's actually not here tonight because he's playing in a tournament in Las Vegas. And while he's there, he's kind of talking to some college coaches in California. And he's just met kids from all over the country. He has friends from other countries. It's been a great thing for him. And it's really difficult to do living here. So we have I mean here. OK. We can ask at the end. We have the high school tennis coach was coming, but we thought this is going to be starting later. So he wanted to talk a little bit about how important it is for the high school team. So if he gets here, you know, he may interrupt as we're coming. Nope, not yet. Okay. So anyways, why snowmass? We've looked actually a lot of different locations up and down the valley. We started looking at an Aspen. There are things that we liked about different, you know, each location. But snowmass really offers a little more flexibility, some cost effective situations, and some conveniences that really doesn't, it's not offered anywhere else. We really like that it's a suggestion to the SNMS Rec Center. That's a great thing for tennis people and it's a great thing for the Rec Center. We've had conversations with Andy. We think it would help membership at the Rec Center. People would love to be able to play tennis, go work out. There's lockers right there. There's the front desk that can help with the scheduling. You know, it's just a, it's a, you could schedule it in the way that there's a combination classes for tennis next to the workout, you know, we're in the summertime swimming. You know, we'd like to just grow tennis in snow mass and we think that that will increase memberships at the Rec Center and just benefit both tennis and the Recreation Department. There's ample parking. It's on, and this is really important. It's on the bus routes, Raffta, Village Shuttle, the school bus stops there. It's really convenient for the kids to get there after school. It works really well. Also, the construction and the flexibility of the court lay out with three in a row. There's a lot of flexibility to that, which is nice. So what is ASIT proposing? We know no one has any money. So ASIT wants to, we'll raise all the capital funds to put the bubble up. Anything that's needed to purchase the bubble, all that money, and then we will donate it to Snowmass. We're not going to own the bubble. We don't want to be in the bubble, you know, in the. So we will raise the money, and then we'll donate that money to Snowmass. Then, you know, with the agreement that, you know, it will be used for indoor tennis. And the fees will pay for the operations. There will be no cost to the town. We've looked through some performance, preliminary performance, and we really feel that this is, the fees can stay low and still pay for all the operational costs. And of course that will, you know, you'll have to be satisfied that that happens. We know that the recreation department can't expand their budget and, you know, we've talked to Andy about that too. We hope that we want the fees to remain as low as possible so that it's really accessible to everybody that wants to play, but keeping in mind that it has to not impact the recreation budget. Benefits to Snowmass. It benefits both the locals and guests. As I said, if you're a guest here coming and quite, from my understanding, quite a few guests that come here are not skiers. Tennis is a huge marketing plus. Steamboat has a public facility that they just, well, not just a couple of years ago, they expanded from four courts to six. And we have friends that live there and they're already complaining that it's not big enough. Park City is renovating their courts right now. They have seven indoor public courts in the winter time. And it's something that they market to their guests. It's something that, and Breckenridge, also has two indoor public courts. It's something, I mean, tennis is big. It's something that really can draw tourists. We have my son plays in tournaments all the time and they say, you know, why don't you have tournaments up in your area? Or, you know, I'd love to come up there for a camp or you know we've had some people that say you know what I'm taking my vacation somewhere else because I want to play tennis when I'm there and a lot of people you know to go to Snowmass, go to Park City because of that reason. So it's something that also snowmass would have that is nowhere else in the valley so it would be a reason for people to come and stay here. So that's, you know, there are a lot of marketing opportunities there. As I said, it's a big draw to Snowmass and it would be the only facility of its kind in the valley. So that's, you know, it's kind of a nice thing. Okay. Oh. I had mentioned before that, yeah, them don't worry I told them that we started we started a little bit early than expected. Rob is our high school tennis coach and he is going to he will speak a little bit Rob Simpson. He can speak a little bit about just the then need for tennis and the valley and really how it's been important to the high school kids. You're on Rob. Thanks for having me. Like Beth said, my name is Rob Simpson. I'm the head high school boys tennis coach at Aspen High School and the assistant for the girls team. This is my third year basically in the area. And one thing that I've noticed is the numbers are growing, definitely, and for adults and youth as well, especially the youth. Since I started here, I think the first year we had about 20, 25 kids. This year we have 43 kids out for the varsity, or not the excuse me to varsity, the whole tennis team, which is huge, which is one of the biggest teams I've ever heard of. three kids out for the varsity or not the excuse me the varsity the whole tennis team. Which is huge. Which is one of the biggest teams I've ever heard of. And you know we go to travel to other teams and people are shocked that we have that much interest in tennis in this area. So I think that's a big plus. Overall tennis is kind of growing in the country as well. I mean people are really realizing the health benefits. I'm like Beth was realizing, you know, people that don't, you know, get on the mountain or whatever, they, you know, they want to still stay active in tennis is a great way to really do that and promote being healthy and it's also a great social thing for people to be involved in. I think with the addition of indoor public facility basically that would be affordable to people. The benefits are basically to the recreational players that want to play three or four times a month with their friends just to be social. I think also kids that are really involved with tennis that would want to play maybe three or four times a week. I think having that balance would be beneficial to all the kids in the valley. Basically my main point is I think there's a lot of interest and I think kids have been limited with the availability of playing tennis in the winter. A lot of kids on the team are from this area, from snowmass or from all down valley because basalt doesn't have a team so we have kids from there too that would, I know that would be interested in keeping their tennis going. And I think it would be a big plus for the sport in general and for kids in this valley for sure. Thank you. That's basically it. Does the council have any questions of Rob right now? Or wait till we hear the whole thing and go forward? So I have a seat right there. We'll get back in a minute. Okay, thanks. We also have, I don't know if Eileen has something to add about she's the CMC coordinator and she's been doing classes, recreation classes for tennis and she's also seen a big increase in participation. Did you want to say something? Yeah. You need to come to the microphone please, honey. I have been working for CMC for about 27 years. I started a little tennis program, probably 20 years ago. And we had about 10,000 people in the past, and we had about 10,000 people in the past. And I think that's a lot of work. I think that's a lot of work. I think that's a lot of work. I think that's a lot of work. I think that's a lot of work. I think that's a lot of years. I started a little tennis program, probably 20 years ago. And we had about 10, 15 players. And in the phenomenon, the last three or four years, we've just grown so exponentially. We have about 175 adult players. In this real recreational loose loose just have fun type of situation. So we can't play in the winter of course we would if we had a place to go we would set classes up and it would be I'm sure it would go. Outside of CMC I mean USTA 3.5 which isn't very good player. And our standard excuse when we go to tournaments is we don't get to play inside all winter. That's why we never get any better. It doesn't really matter if you're a great tennis player, but it's kind of a little bit frustrating when you have to go nine months or whatever without even ever getting to touch a racket. So that's an inside. And it's stunning. It's stunning to go other places to play tennis, smaller towns. And they've got these great indoor facilities. And there's nothing in this valley. And I think it's because people think we can all go skiing. I think one of the reasons tennis has grown possibly public tennis is because it's fairly inexpensive. If you just need a racket and a can of balls in a fairly reasonable place to play. We don't know how to do it. We don't know how to do it. We don't know how to do it. We don't know how to do it. We don't know how to do it. We don't know how to do it. We don't know how to do it online and I've worn them too. I had to buy some last year because mine were marking up that cord. So I was like, ooh. But I do think that besides in the CMC crowd, we are really catered to the people who can't spend as much money. And that's why the classes are so large. And I think that's one of the reason is the economy. I think that's one of the reason why the classes have grown as well. And it's really social, fun. And we're all getting older. I know we got the kids that are interested, but as old people need some social things to do once the kids are out of the house. Not just Facebook. I don't do Facebook. So I don't know if you have any questions on that. What about a seat and we might get back to you here in a second. We'll get through this. We're trying to get them out of the house and, you know, not in this book all day. The other thing that we have mentioned to is a league play is growing exponentially. So, you know, basically we're trying to illustrate how big tennis really is. It's kind of the quiet sport because we don't have a central group because people are kind of scrounging to find where they play. So we don't get as much press or any press. But there were people are there. So no risk. Okay. The one point I really want to emphasize is this is a no risk situation because there's a lot of flexibility here. If indoor tennis is not successful, the bubble doesn't have to go back up again. We're not building a building that you have to maintain and that is going to cost you money for it. If it doesn't work for any reason, and obviously we don't anticipate that happening, it doesn't have to stay there. The bubble can be easily moved to a different site or location. If you're moving things around at the, at the, at the, at the rodeo grounds there, you know, it can move. It's not permanent. And it's, it's flexible. It can be expanded or reduced in size, you know, depending on the needs. So there's really just no risk involved in what we're proposing. And it doesn't cost to know about anything. It,ess anything. It has a lot of potential to bring in revenue both in the rec center and in tourist dollars. And it is people, I think I always hear about the leaking of money to ask them. I like the fact that people will be driving up here and going to dinner afterwards and all that kind of thing, which is kind of nice. Okay. So, and then, just last one. Is public inter-tenison snowmess, and we hope it's a win-win situation for all. Thank you very much. So, thanks. So, Council, we have any questions of the group that we want to ask directly right now Fred. I'm just curious what do you and assuming we approve your right to submit a special review what sort of timeline are you looking at to get materials to us such as your pro-form or cost of operations things like that. We'd like to get into you as quickly as possible. I mean we have a lot of that information. We'd like to get them to you as quickly as possible. I mean, we have a lot of that information. We've been working on this for over two years. So we have that information, you know, on our fingertips. We have to put it toward, you know, talk to the REC department and make sure that they feel comfortable with the numbers and, you know, what services they can offer for it. But timeline, we could do it very quickly. And I assume you will not start to raise money until you get final approval. Is that correct? If we raise money, it would be contingent upon, you know, it would be pledges. We don't want people running us, you know, people want to make sure that they know what their money is going to. So, and we do have quite a few people that are know what their money is going to. And we do have quite a few people that are very interested in writing a check quickly, but we're not asking them to do so at this point because we want to make sure that they know what they're writing. Do you have any idea how long it will take you to get enough pledges for whatever capital calls? I wish I did. No, it could be very quick and it could take a while. I mean that doesn't help you but we have a lot of people very interested. Thank you. Any other council questions? At this point I'd like to hear from the public that might have a Okay. Marking? Thank you. Okay, okay. You want to speak up? Okay. Marking? Great. Thank you. I really enjoy the enthusiasm with which you come from and the spirit and with you did your presentation. It really tells me your heart's in the right place and you love your sport. Quick question for you. In terms of bubble, would it be up an entire year or a portion of the year? Good question. Yeah. It would be seasonal. We don't want it up all your round We like outside when we can have it outside So it would just be seasonal price six so maybe when the mountain opens or snow begins to fly then come down at the end of the season Is that roughly six months? Yeah around six months. Yeah Okay, I'm sure those all be detailed questions that we get to when we really do the you know if we get to that point. I just want to see a permanent structure. The next question you were saying that your son goes to Edwards to practice. Where are the public tennis other than Edwards? Where are there other ones? There in this between here and I don't know I mean there aren't between here and Breckneridge there aren't any public tennis courts in Edwards it's actually a homeowner's association that allows the public in and for very cheap he can he can play for $5 all day long. For, you know, as a guest, you know, as a guest and he knows everybody there because he's been going there since he's 11. So there are no public facilities in Glenwood, the salt, you know, not rifle, no. Glenwood had a tennis bubble that used to live here in Stormass. Yeah, it used to live in Stormass and it was stored improperly from what I understand. And we were told that they thought about putting it up, but it never went up. Of course, I thought I thought it was out there and I talked to people down there and I saw it up and there. I actually worked in Glenwood at the time that tennis bubble was bought. I thought I saw it down there and I talked to people down there and saw it up and then I thought I'm aware of it. It's not going well. No, that... I actually worked in Glenwood at the time, the tennis bubble was bought from... Got there, okay. The Snowmass Club. And it never went up. Basically, it was a side issue that Glenwood decided not to put it up. Okay, because I saw something down there, white in grand junction and that is open to the public. It's not again, it's not a public, completely public but they make it very early to the public. Okay. Maybe one. Beth, in terms of, it appears to me that you've been out talking with other people in the community, the tennis people, et cetera. Do you see any shift of where certain people who enjoy private clubs now might be also interested in a bubble here? Yes. I mean, there's anybody that plays tennis is interested in having public tennis because if you're a member, if you are able to be a member at these clubs, you're limited basically to playing with other members. And I know some people that have the money to join some of these clubs, but they don't because there's not the variety of people that they can play with or they're on their programs that they're looking for. And they want to have that flexibility to play with everybody. And what's great about a public facility is that members of clubs can come and play at it as well. And it's not limited to anybody. Everybody can come play together. And one last question that I have is, have you talked with a lodging community or a marketing board as to what people might be interested in, who are non-skiers in the wintertime, and these tennis on their radar screen. I have not talked to the lodging board. I have talked to hotel owners, people that I personally know, and they think it's great. People, the demographics of a lot of tennis players, are similar to the demographics that come to Stomachiski. And as I mentioned, I know people that want on their ski vacation to come play tennis. And they don't want a ski every single day. Or the one of the husband and wife team one plays tennis and one skis or something like that. And so yes, it would be a benefit for lodging. For example, there's a tournament in steamboat in May, off season. And it is a kid's tournament that is limited to the boys and girls, but it's limited to 64 participants. And they fill up every single year and it's in May. So all those people are bringing their families in May and filling up hotels and spending money at restaurants. And these are also people that potentially will see the resort and say, hey, this is a great place. We want to come back and ski. So that was, it's the potential is really pretty huge. How many courts in Steamboat do they have there covered in the winter? Steamboat has six, I'm sorry, six that are covered in the winter. Yep. Just a quick question, sorry if I missed it in your presentation or in your materials. But for a guest that wants to just go play tennis as one thing they do on their vacation here, do you know what the options are? Cost-wise, if they want to go to the Snowmass Club or they want to go to the Aspen Club just to drop in. I don't believe there is an option. If you're not a member, you can't play at the Snowmass Club. The Aspen Club is going away. They've had approvals for, I think they're going to build their outdoor swimming pool. They're changing everything around and building condos and you know so the Aspen Club if it even makes it through this winner because that's always a quick. When my son started playing and as I said he's 17 we were told it was the last year that bubble was going up. So the Aspen Club really isn't a factor. Snowmass Club and Marin Creek Club from what I understand you can't play if you're not a member. Okay. If you're else from council this time, John Wilkinson. Yeah, well, first I have to disclose that Beth is a neighbor. My wife is an avatina player. My son is on the tennis team in the high school, but that's sad. Well, but I still have to respond to the community. And my concerns are, I'm not going to address each one of them now. It's going to be the size of the bubble. What the neighbor's reactions are going to be because it's very important. I mean, that's a new neighborhood we have down there. We are actually going to be discussing capital improvement budgets, which one of them is the entryway phase three planning study, which includes discussion of enclosing tennis courts at that point. These are all sorts of things that are going to have to be addressed if we go forward with this process. But the other question I have is that the City of Aspen's exploring one with the Smuggler tennis courts, is there any reason why you're not combining efforts with them and focusing it on one area in trying to do something together rather than us first them? Absolutely. And first I'll address what you said at the beginning. We really understand the neighborhood issues and we want to get together with the neighbors and we're more than willing to go and have meetings with them. And we want this to be a win-win. You know, as I said, I'm pretty invested in this town and these are my neighbors and you are my neighbor. So, you know, that's something that we're willing to do and go and talk to people and we're concerned about that kind of stuff as well. As far as the Smuggler group, we actually, we have been in contact with this. There's a group for those of you that don't know that is a, Smuggler is a private facility. And there is a group that has approached Smuggler that would like to enclose those courts and they asked us if we would like to work together with them. We really are adamant that this needs to be a public facility and accessible to the public and low cost and because they are tied to a management company that they have to hire that management company and that's a for profit management company that they've determined they have to work with, they can't work with the city. And we really feel like using a public and existing public facility, number one guarantees better access to everybody. Smuggler, they may have the best intentions, but they're going to be looking for certain things that a public facility might not and trying to benefit their members in a way that a public facility might not. We also, quite a few cost benefits into working with a public, you know, facility. For instance, there's already existing parking. At the smuggler, they don't even plow their parking lot. The city of Aspen actually asked us if we would be interested in looking at smuggler and working through the city of Aspen at smuggler. And we, you know, we did look at that and there are several situations about Smuggler that we didn't feel made it an ideal situation for us. Mainly cost, mainly just, you know, the streets, the accessibility in there, it's not on a good bus route. You know, there are quite a few issues there that just didn't work for us and didn't make as much sense. And it is a private, the Aspen Tennis Association that you're talking about is a private group. They want to open it up to the public. But the Aspen Club is also a private group that's open up to the public. And someone was asking what the cost is. It's $75 an hour to play tennis there. That's not affordable to most people. We don't think that this group can make their expenses work for a price point that we feel as accessible to most locals and even some guests. OK. Anything else? So you recognize, even if we give you a today to say, let's go ahead and have further conversations. It does not mean that you have carte launch that this is going to happen. We have a number of concerns. Some people may have just gotten a little late. The plan is that this would go through the whole normal process. It would go through the whole normal process. It would go through the Planning Commission, go back through a much other public hearings. Before, and during, I guess council time, it would even have public hearings. So if those people in the audience who have a concern should be aware that this is not just tonight saying, go build it next week. But there is going gonna be multiple times to have these conversations and probably have some renderings or what the things will look like. And God forbid story poles that we're gonna put up like we do earthings. But it is one of those things because it is a new neighborhood. And just because it's the type of housing is down there, it has to jump through all the normal hoops as anything else would that we would be looking at. Andy and I know you and Hunt and the planning department is going to work as they do with any applicant to make sure that the public here is and we have these open and frank discussions. That being said, is there anybody in the public that would like to stand up and have a concern at this moment? Or they will want to say, we'll want to see what happens next. If you'd like to step up, please do so and state your name for the record. It's very shy, 11-year-old. That's okay. Diculous addiction. Get to the microphone. You can do okay. We won't bite you. Stay your next. Diction in for the record please. Hi my name is Taylor. Last name please Taylor. Tulson. Thank you Taylor. Well I'm a huge tennis player. I've been playing ever since I was four During the summer and late spring I will play at the city courts and do the clinics there During the winter I'll play at the Aspen Club But since the Aspen Club is not putting their bubble up next winter that will not happen They will not I would love it if you the honorable city council would put a bubble up this snowmess wrecks Center. I would be internally grateful. I used to live in Glenwood and drive to Edwards to play. Well now that I am two hours away from there I can't do that anymore. Your mother is not as forgiving, huh? I don't love my living room drive. Well, I have a little brother and he hates driving. I got you. Um, I also play competitively. Um, two summers ago I played in lots and lots of tournaments. I got to the semi-finals, almost got to the finals, but in the semi-finals the girls are a lot better than me because I don't have the opportunity to play so much in the winners they do. Yeah, and I would be really happy if you guys would put up a bubble at the Snowmex REC Center. Thank you. Thank you, Taylor. Good job. My name is Susanna Tolson. I'm the mother of that beautiful young lady. My name is Susanna Tolson. I'm the mother of that beautiful young lady. I'm here for two reasons. Mainly is as a mother of a kid who plays a sport that is very difficult to play in this community. We lived in Glenwood forever. We drove to Edwards just like Beth's family has done. And it was very expensive. And I told my kid when we moved up here, I can't afford to keep driving to Edwards. So we joined the Aspen Club, and it's killing me financially, to try to provide her with an opportunity to do what is her dream. I know all of the children that she plays with during the summer. Most of them can't afford to join the Aspen Club, and they have nowhere to play in the winter, and when the summer is over, they just, you know, they cringe, and they have nowhere to play in the winter and when the summer is over they just you know they cringed and they have nowhere to go with their favorite sport. The high school girls tennis team almost has no ability to play before it's time for them to have their matches. The boys tennis team I have no idea when the last time they got to practice was because it's ranked and ranked and ranked, right? And then they have to go to their matches. So when it comes to the kids in this town, I think it would be a wonderful opportunity. I realize there's huge drawbacks when it comes to having neighborhoods right next to rec centers and I think we have to work through all of those issues. The other thing I can speak to is that I'm obviously played a ton of tennis and would like to have a place to play for myself in the winter because I don't want to ski every day. I'm from Texas. I'm still working that ski thing out. Though I still board in. They're true. What I have noticed were the people that I play in the summer with, and I mostly play over at the public courts during the summer. They want to come back in the winter and ski. The second homeowner's even that play at the Aspen Public Courts. They want to come in the winter and ski, but they want to play tennis. They want to play tennis half a day or they want to play tennis on their day off from skiing. So these are people that would come and stay longer, I think, or that would bring their friends and that kind of thing. So I think there's a lot of opportunity for growth in the city, for money, money growth to bring people in. And, but my main reason is, I think the kids are missing out. Thank you very much. Thanks, but. Who's next? My name is Miles Kaelin. Miles, if you take the microphone and point it towards your mouth, that would be wonderful. Thank you. So my name is Miles Kaelin. I've been playing tennis now for four years. I was my coach for three years. And even as a recent member to the tennis playing community, I find that it's a great sport to be able to play. But as the winter comes, I don't think I got to play more than maybe twice last winter. Due to limited court availability and answer your question Ms. Butler, I actually remember at the Murim Creek Club and court space is so limited that it's very hard to play even as a member. During the summer even I choose the public courts over the private courts because I'm able to see Rob I'm able to have a friendly face there be able to talk to me Have a coach there to be able to help me in practice and I think that's really great On all I don't see anything wrong putting up the bubble It's gonna be able to bring a draw to the community. It's really a great asset. And I feel like it would be a great thing to have. Thank you. Anyone else at this time? And be aware that, you know, as you heard, we will have more public comment time when we're in front of planning commission and back to us. So we will make sure it goes through the normal channels. Give everybody the opportunity at times appropriate to have the conversation, to bring up your concerns, positive or negative, and work forward. So Hunt, actually I see Jason Sandip over there in my peripheral vision. Jason, just a couple practical questions, I think. The request is for Asit to have authorization to submit the application or is it going to be a town application? Actually, I representing the town would like to have control over that process and several of the conversations we have with Asit. Just like all the other amenities that are down there, the conversations we have with ASIC, just like all the other amenities that are down there, the town actually would sponsor that. I think it I have to spend a little bit of money actually putting together the application, but I prefer to put the application with the understanding that ASIC is going to contribute the capital cost to that. And if it does go through, then we work out an agreement whereby the bubble is ours and we talk about scheduling tennis and all that sort of stuff. But I, as it wouldn't be going through the process, the town would just like we did with every other amenity down there. Jason? That was my plan and you shoot. And so you're anticipating a couple thousand dollars of expense roughly on the application material? Probably something like that. Have you guys given much thought to storage? Summertime storage of this bubble? Is that- No, I know it's going to take some space and we haven't gotten that far yet because we're just kind of taking it one step at a time. The first step was to see if you would let it go through the special review process and then come the time where we have to figure out some of these operational needs. We'll address those as well. But yeah, we know there's a storage component. And then as far as the process that you're requesting for the special review, is that required by the zoning of that area? It's in the code and when you look at the chart, even though it's zone recreation which allowed the tennis courts to be there in the first place, special reviews required for an indoor facility, special reviews required for lots of things. Of Chris could hear, was here he could tell you all those. And so the process is outlined in the land use code and I've made a copy of that. And essentially once I have the pre-application conference with the planning of Chris Conrad, he could put a whole bunch of conditions on stuff that needs to be in the application. So we don't submit the application first, we meet with him. And based on the unique nature of this facility or any other facility that goes through a special review, he'll give us a bunch of requirements that we need to include in our application. I'm just, I'm wondering if the special review submittal requirements, I know in the past for certain processes like sketch plan, we've talked about the idea of really coming forward with a very simple back at an Appkin kind of concept. It seems like with this proposal given the proximity to the neighborhood and whatever impacts are associated with a bubble. There might be some very fundamental pieces of information that would allow us to get a good idea of whether we think this is a good idea or not. So before we go too far down a line of providing all of the minimum requirements for submitting a special review application, I wonder if we can. I mean, the height of this structure, I don't know what that is typically estimated, but what are the light impacts and things like that that come out of this thing? I think some really, I would just encourage, if there's an option for that to really keep that very simple on the first go around, if we do go forward approving this consent, and I'm just wondering if there's a mechanism for that or we're pretty much bound, but it sounds like you're saying, Chris can kind of dictate what the minimum requirements are. If you want to ask from the council, John Wilkinson. Yeah, I'm still kind of struggling with this planning study that was proposed for that area. And we've talked about that in the past and how this is just one part of that element of for the area. And it seems like we're pulling out one part of it that we haven't really studied the entire area to come up with a comprehensive plan. It's, you know, we talked about it, but it's something that I think that we need to say, be great to have this, but how does this fit into the rest of the area down here? It doesn't. It wouldn't impact anything because we're using an existing footprint. The bubble goes over the existing courts. And as I said, if for some reason, let's say you wanted to change where the courts are, you could use the same bubble to cover different courts. So it doesn't impact. If you're going to, I don't know the details, but I know that you're looking at what's going to happen down there. There's no risk to putting up the bubble over the existing courts. We're not going to change anything that's there. But I think it is. Well, let me clarify that issue. We had a master plan down there for the whole area and we've accomplished about two thirds of it. The only area that we're talking about as far as the CIP project is studying the undeveloped area, which is essentially the rodeo arena area. And this impact is actually on existing courts. Now, it could be a part of that study actually talk about an indoor facility for courts in that area, but it's really technically not related because we already have tennis there we're just talking about including tennis in the winter time Okay So any else for council Does council wish to direct staff to allow the Application to be submitted council would be giving its consent to the applicant Okay to include your land as I'm not directing. So is there motion to allow the applicant to consent to the application? So moved. Second. Okay so it's motion by Fred and second by Markey. Any further discussion? All those in favor, but see me if I, by stating I, I, I, and I opposed? No. So that's 4 to 1. So we will allow it to go into the process and we will keep everybody updated about the schedule of this as it comes forward. And, you know, neighbors, please talk to your council, you know council before, during, and after and please come to the meetings. Thank you for your time. Thanks, Jerry. Thank you. Next item we have on our agenda is item 10, agenda for next two council meetings. Staff, I mean, does council have any questions about the arrangement of the schedule? You see it's next Monday, September 12th. Special meeting. Starting at four o'clock. Next. We have two items on there. Then we have September 19th. What's the purpose of the joint meeting? Yeah, the joint meeting. We've been requested by the counter-twistors. We do that every year. Yes, we do it every year. Yes, we try to. No, probably send us an agenda day or two in advance. OK. Got it. OK? Kelly. Outside, please. Thank you. Thank you, Kelly. That's all right. Shoot. OK? Please note that you also have a meeting that you'd read to tonight at the 21st. 21st. So you're going to be busy bevers in September. That's correct. So Fred, you missed the meeting discussion, but the 21st is our budget presentation. And we're looking at starting at 10 a.m. until 4 p.m. so you know Okay, yes it is It's Wednesday that's 21st Yeah Monday off Okay, what in the Monday? Yeah Monday off. All right, you have a meeting Monday too. That's right. The 19th. So a couple meetings that week, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. Go ahead Jason. On the joint meeting. Are there typically a set of agenda items as you as you may have heard from Mr. Dresser a minute ago, usually that shows up a day or two before Missed that meeting starts We consider Jason we can suggest to having things put on the agenda from our From our position right and we can also bring up whatever want at that meeting with the county so I would imagine what you're going to hear one of the Points that you're going to hear, one of the points that you're going to hear about is that down along the brush trail there is a desire by the county to put up one of the, or two of the bridges that we used to use going across the Maroon Creek. Yeah, there was four sections, or no, there was one. Well there's four sections, but either two sections are looking at. Yeah, I got a call from... There was four sections. I already know there was one. Well there's four sections, but either two sections are looking at. I got a call from... They will put it in the paper. Yeah, a week or so. And so that's probably going to be one of the discussion items about putting it across some wetlands down there. Right now the trail goes down and around and out into Kutsabasa's property and back down, gritting the wetlands. but Kutsubas actually had his manager close down that trail a few weeks ago and I got a number of phone calls that was happening so I called Mr. Hatfield and Dale Will and we got it taken care real quick but it is something that the county and Kutsubas have a deal to do something and Mr. Kutsubas felt that the county wasn't doing what they had said they were going to do in a timely fashion so he started to do some maintenance but it sort of closed the trail for a little while until I get a bunch of irate phone calls when people getting pushed out on brush pre-growing the very hazardous location. We got that straightened out and thank you for the county to that. So that's part of the stuff we're going to talk about. Sure, Drostee and a few other things, but that's the agenda for the next few meetings. Next item we have is item number 11 approval meeting minutes for July 5th, 2011. Is there a motion to approve? Some of. Mr. Wilkinson, is there a second? By Mr. Cooker. Discussion? Changes? There's an arm missing. You've got the arm lit up, then. I'm not going to tell you where it is though. Yeah, yeah. You find it. OK. OK. Any other changes, alterations? So motion to approve. Signify the thing aye. Aye. Any opposed? People be going on to council comments, committee reports, and calendars. Mr. Cooker. Nothing. Mr. Wilkinson. Yeah, a couple things. I guess while I was absent from the last meeting, it was determined that the art, the what was the name of that thing, the spiral thing? The helix? The helix? I hear that it's been moved up to the mountain that the ski company has. Yep, yep. Put it by Coney Glade. Yep, right? Oh, roller. Yep, it's up. Okay. It's already up. Let's see. There was something by the way. We, I'm on the naming committee for the Dross-D land and we had a meeting in the snowmass trails committee has been tasked, tasked with coming up with the names of the trails. So we're having a meeting this Thursday on that and it will have the name lying in it at some point because we've got high line low line we've got about 50 other names that we're going to throw into that. So yeah, something else. Marky of the healthy community. Healthy community fund that's proposition 1A that is coming on to the ballot in November. We'll talk more about that. I'm sure with Pitt County, but it is a slight increase. Well, it's a continuation, a slight increase. And I find it extremely important for our wonderful community where we don't have the money that's necessary now to take care of everyone that's sorely in need. That's on the Aspen Ticking time. Yeah, it'll be on that one. When they come in two weeks more details on that particular proposal. And actually Mr. Wilkinson's correct that I had been approached by Rachel from Picking County. Rachel. Rachel, Rachel, thank you. That she was wondering, yeah, well, other things, never mind. It's asking that if I could support that and I said I really had not spent the time being educated about what it means and she tried to do it in a few minutes and I said, well, I'll pay attention as much as I can, but I don't think that I can give you a opinion from my chair who's the mayor here to have a look at it, but it does sound like it's important. I hope the whole community focuses on it. He's attention. I'm planning on talking to a few people next week about it. I'm already busy talking to some people about it. Okay, good. So a few people is next week about it. I'm already busy talking to some people about it. Okay. So please, with the community, be aware of that and find out all you can. Johnny Theolts. Oh, and now it's this time. Okay. One of the calls I've had in the last few weeks was from another artist. That this artist is out of marble. He's a sculptor. And he does some pretty nice things according to showing on his website and so I told him I would you know announce it council the fellow's name is David Nelson and his I'm gonna you know let the task force know also because I'm sure there are other artists are gonna be coming out and maybe there's a competition or something that we can do to if they're going to select anything. But the website for this fellow's website so you can check out his nice sculptures is David NelsonSculptures.com. And I'd suggest people look at that, but I will for this on to the task force just to add to their list of artists that they have that are breathing down the next to do something. Other than that, don't have any other committees at this point. Marky. I don't have anything. Jason? Nothing for me. In that case, we have now item 13, the executive session scheduled. The town council now meet an executive session pursuant to CRS 24-6-4024, and some us for the municipal code section 2-45, to specifically discuss two items. A, determining position relative to matters that may be subject to negotiations, developing strategy for negotiations, instructing negotiator or as pursuant to CRS 24 dash 6 dash 4 to 4e, and the most village municipal code section 2 dash 45c5. And B, conferences within attorney for the purpose of receiving legal advice on specific legal questions per suit to CRS 24-6-424-C, hence the list of municipal billed code section 2-45-C2. Is there a second to that motion? Second. Marky Butler, Bill first. For the discussion, all in favor, please signify everything aye. Aye. Those opposed? Let's go to the small conference room. Do you have a sense of how long we'll go? I think only maybe. only my bus is now 50 and