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Well, perhaps Jason can feel us in on that since I know he went. I did go, he was lovely. I don't know what else to say about it. My kids were crazy about it as always and That was really fun. I thought it was worth. Transportation worked well and Transportation was convenient and Great. Yeah, no complaints. And Mark, I owe you an apology because I didn't read my emails. My town emails soon enough to get whatever free tickets I was supposed to get to you. Well, then I didn't go because I didn't need them because Jerry wouldn't let me go with my shoulder. Oh, okay. I was going to go draw the policy. So you scratched in the half pipe in other words. That's a good one. You're working on your double back foot prayer. Yeah, sure. Okay, so Jason, any council updates at this time? No, not at this time. Okay, so Jason, any council updates at this time? No, not at this time. Okay, I just have a couple. I've been following the Picking County's trail initiative for the Skyline Mountain Park and they had a presentation to Snowmass Village last week. And quite frankly, I'm very surprised and quite happy with what they've determined are going to be the projects for the next couple of years. They're going to have a couple of accesses off of the Skyline Trail down to 82 at the cozy point. They're going to have a middle one and then there's a ditch line that goes parallel to Brush Creek Road on the east side of Brush Creek that goes up and is going to connect to the view line trail. It's just a real expansion of our trail system. I've been meeting with Andy Warline and we're going to be doing the town map this year and Hunt and Andy have been working on this and hopefully we're going to break it into two sides and because we have so many trails now we're going to break it into two different sections for the community. And yes. Was there a, was there John as you talk about that and I was trying to follow it in the newspaper. Is there going to be an access off of Al Creek? Off of yeah, actually now down as she started up where that everybody kind of parks and illegally. Actually we had a meeting with the Cemetery Committee a couple of weeks ago, and they're going to work with us on building a parking lot, staging area for horse loading and unloading. And the current ideas to have the horses and hikers only go up through the cemetery and come back through the cemetery on a trail that will link up on its own trail up to the skyline. Oh, okay. Trail. And then there's going to be a trail head parking on Owl Creek Road. Hopefully it has to go through process and we have to agree to it and there's going to be a plan on that. But where the old parking area was before the rocks were put there and we're talking about putting a trail head at that point probably for up to six vehicles, but no horse trailer parking at that point. But yeah, that's going to be all part and parcel of it. Okay, and then the other item I have is that Raffta just got an award of $382,000 to help offset the cost of having our bus fleet, the raft of bus fleet, be compressed natural gas. And we've been talking about that for some time. Rrafton, we're really going to head that way and I'm very excited about that opportunity to have our fleets powered by fuel that is native to North America. It's going to cost less because the delivery cost, but the most important thing and the byproduct is carbon dioxide. What comes out of a CNG engine is quite more acceptable to the environment. But by reducing our exposure to offshore foreign sources of oil, I think is going to be real boon for our country, not just our community in Raffta. So we're actually accepting an award for that on Thursday at our Raffta meeting. And so Billy, we are at item number four, and item number three would be council updates if you had any. Thank you, sir. No, actually I don't. And Ashley, Mayor Portram, you did skip over public knowledge on items. Oh, could I back up item number two? Please do. Now you find my, in my device here. You probably don't know how to work that though. I really don't. I wouldn't say I was speeding with my husband, but. Yeah, you were, I'm sure sure you weren't looking at your speedometer You're just trying to be expedited, but you know you're on your way to life. That doesn't matter It's only at the state levels it turns out So is there any public non-agent items that is not on the agenda for today? Seeing now now move on to item number four for Billy. Okay. Do you want this? I'll find one of yours. Because I had mine on. Okay. So, resolution number four, this is... Item number four? Item number four. Item number four. Item number four is all the resolutions, right? Yep. Yep. We have a resolution six. Pre-tation to Barbara Wico's Whits. Start off with that one. Barbara here. She is not. She is not. What do I want to start with? Well, I tell you what. I've got about, so he was an A-Dubn. One more than that. I got Don and Melissa and Donna. Okay. Tell you what we're going to do here. I'm going to shorten this down a little bit. I have a point, though. We're going to try to do if my attorney says it's okay. I guess we really can't. We can't. We can't do the visual resolution. It's for each one. The visual one. All right. Let's start off with the resolution number six. Series 2012. Resolution expressing appreciation to Barbara Beko's wicks for her service as a member of the marketing group sales and special events board. It's for. It's, it's, it's by this. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Whereas Barbara was appointed to the Town Council, as from us those, to serve as a member of the marketing group sales and special events board in April 2010, and continued serving through December 31, 2011, and whereas Barbara's hard work and excellent attendance record had been an asset to the marketing group sales and special events board, and whereas the Town Council appreciates Barbara's dedication as a member of the Marketing Group Sales and Special Events Board, and whereas Barbara's dedication, leadership, and contributions to this town board will be missed. Now therefore, be it resolved by the Town Council of the Town and the Simous Village Colorado, at the Citizens of Simersville, the town council and the marketing group sales Special Events Board and the entire town staff hereby express their sincere gratitude and appreciation to Barbara Bechel's wits for her contribution to promoting a strong community in enhancing the quality of life for our citizens. This has been introduced red and adopted by the town council, Somersby, Orange, Colorado, on the 6th, February 2012 upon a motion made by myself so moved and seconded by Mr. Wilkinson here. Second. And all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? It's five in favor and zero opposed So that's a resolution Next We have must be number seven in here This is for the resolution expressing appreciation to Donna Aiken for her service as a member of the Citizens Grant Review Board. Whereas Donna was appointed by the town council of the Citizens Grant Review Board in May of 2001 and continue to serve through December 31st, 2011. Is this thing on? Yeah. Testing 1, 2. Don't. You just turn it on so the green button is showing. Okay, it's on. No button. I was going to stand up. Help me, Rhonda. Help, help. Very good. All right. Since Donna is in the room, I'm going to ask Ms. Donna to stand up here in front of TV and everybody else. Oh, there you go, Donna. It's not working yet, anyways, in the war. Darn. All right, Donna. Whereas Donna was appointed by the town council of Snow White's Village to serve as a member of the citizens grant review board in May 2001 and continue to serve through December 31, 2011. And whereas Donna's hard work and excellent tenant record have been an asset to the citizens grant review board. And whereas the town council appreciates Donna's dedication as a member of the citizens grant review board. And whereas Donna's dedication, leadership and contributions to this town board will be missed. Now, therefore, be it resolved by the town council of the town of St. Louis Village, Colorado, the citizens of St. Louis Village, the St. Louis Village town council, and the citizens grant review board and the entire town staff hereby express their sincere gratitude and appreciation to Donna Aiken for her contribution to promoting a strong community enhancing the quality of life for our citizens. This was introduced, read and adopted by the town council, town council, Phil's Colorado on this six day of February 2012 upon a motion made by Mayor Bill Boynell. So second by council member John Wilkinson. Second. Eight, all those in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? A vote of five in favor and zero opposed. Donna, thank you very much. Thanks, Donna. Thank you. Thanks. You're still on something, aren't you? You're not going anywhere Good job Donna. Thank you. Okay. Now I've got one from mr. Upper mr. Don would you please come forward? This is resolution number nine Series of Resolution expressing the appreciation to Don Upper for his service as a member of the boards of appeals and exammers, whereas Don was appointed by the town council of St. Thomas Village to serve as a member of the appeals and exammers in January 1993. Whoa. And continued serving through December 31, 2011 for 18 years of consecutive service. Whereas Don's hard work and excellent attended record, attendance record, have been an asset to the Board of Appeals and Exammers and whereas the Town Council appreciates Don's dedication as a member of the Board of Appeals and Exammers and whereas Don's dedication leadership and contributions to this town board will be missed. Now, therefore, be it resolved by the town council of the Town of Thomas Village, Colorado, that the citizens of Thomas Village, the town council, the board of appeals and examers, and the entire town staff hereby express their sincere gratitude and appreciation to Don Upper for his contribution to promoting a strong community and enhancing the quality of life for our citizens. Introduced, read and adopted by the town council of the town of Somas Village, Colorado, on the 6th day of February 2012 upon a motion made by myself, so moved, seconded by Council member John Wilkinson. Second. And, all those in favor. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? I also support that. Five, zero. Thank you. Thank you. Wow. That's huge. This really helps make our community light on and Don and everybody else doing these things. Okay, this one is number eight. This one's for Lisa Wilkinson. So this is Lisa's not here. I'll accept on her behalf. Don't you want to stand up here with me? Excessive speech. A resolution expressing appreciation to Lisa Melissa Wilkinson for her service as a member of the Citizens Grant Review Board. Whereas Lisa was appointed by the Italian Council of St. Thomas Village to serve as a member of the Citizens Grant Review Board in March 2007 and continued to serve in the December 31st, 2011, and whereas Lisa's hard work and excellent attendance record have been an asset to the Citizens' Grant Review Board and whereas the Town Council appreciates Lisa's dedication as a member of the citizens grant review board and whereas Lisa's dedication, leadership and contributions to this town board really missed. Now therefore, it be resolved by the town council with the town's MSF each Colorado that the citizens of MSF each the town, MSF Francisco Town Council, the citizens grant review board, and the entire town staff hereby express their sincere gratitude and appreciation to Lisa Wilkinson for her contribution to promoting a strong community and enhancing the quality of life for our citizens. If you've just read and adopted by the Town Council of the Town Council of San Francisco, which Carlisle on this six-day February 2012 upon the motion made by myself, so moved. And second, by her husband, tells me by John Wilkison. Can I do that? Yes, and others in favor? Aye. Any opposed? I better not. And the five in favor and zero opposed. Thank you very much for Lisa in her time. Well, I'd like to accept this on behalf of my wife, and I'd like to thank members of the Academy, and all the people that made this happen, especially my husband, Ed. I'm just good during this whole process. Very good. Stop on your head. Very good. Very good. OK, next is Resolution Number 10. A resolution expressing appreciation to Colleen Dahl for her service as a member of the part-time residence advisory board. Where Colleen was appointed by the town council, that's the most village to serve as a member of the part-time residence advisory board in January of 2005, and continued serving through December 31st, 2011, and whereas Colleen's hard work and excellent attendance record have been an asset to the part-time residence advisory board, and whereas the town council appreciates Colleen's dedication as a member of the part-time residence advisory board, and whereas Colleen's dedication, leadership and contributions to this town board will be best. Now therefore be it resolved by the town council of townness and this village Colorado, the citizens of Simmons Village, the Simmons Village town council, the part-time residence advisory board and the entire town staff hereby express their sincere gratitude and appreciation to Colleen Doyle for her contribution to promoting a strong community and enhancing the quality of life for our citizens. Introduced red and adopted by the town council of the town of Smith Village, Colorado on this six day of February 2012 upon a motion made by myself. So moved. Seconded by a council member, Mr. Wilkinson. Second. And all was in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye, any opposed? Passes 5-0. Very nice. Pauline, thank you. Number 11. This is a resolution expressing appreciation to John Blythlich for his service as a member of the Financial Advisory Board, whereas John was appointed by the Town Council, as the most well as, to serve as a member of the Financial Advisory Board in February 2009 and continued serving through December 31, 2011, and whereas John's hard work, an excellent attendance record, have been an asset to the Financial Advisory Board, and whereas the Town Council appreciates John's dedication as a member of the Financial Advisory Board, and whereas John's dedication, leadership and contributions to this town board were missed. Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Town Council or the Townsendless Village, Colorado, the Citizens of the Smith Village, thesville, Chicago, the citizens of Smithville, the Smithville, town council, the financial advisory board, and the entire town staff here by express their sincere gratitude and appreciation to John Boythwick for his contribution to promoting a strong community and enhancing the quality of life for our citizens. He reduced red and adopted by the town council, the town council of Miss Village, Colorado, on the 6th day of February 2012, upon a motion made by myself, so moved. Second by none other than... Second John, council member John Wilkinson, and always in favor, I, any opposed, it passes five in favor and zero opposed. We'll get one that's been opposed, won't we? No. Not for this stuff. Okay, this one is Resolution No. 12. One more after this one. A resolution with pressing appreciation to John Quigley for his service as a member of the Marketing Group Sales and Special Events Board. Whereas John is appointed by the town council of the MS Village to serve as a member of the marketing group sales and special events board. Whereas John is appointed by the town council of the West Village to serve as a member of the marketing group sales and special events board in January of 2006 and continued serving through December 31st 2011. Whereas John's hard work and excellent tennis record have been an asset to the marketing group sales special events board. And whereas the town council appreciates John's dedication as a member of the marketing group sales and special events board. And whereas John's dedication, leadership and contributions to this town board will be missed. Now therefore be it resolved by the town council or the town of Somersville, just Colorado, the citizens of Somersville, the Somersville, town council, the marketing group sales and special events board, and the entire town staff hereby express their sincere gratitude and appreciation to John Quigley for his contribution to promoting a strong community and enhancing the quality of life for our citizens. Introduced, read and adopted by the Town Council, the Town of Smithville, Colorado, on this sixth day of February 2012, upon a motion made by myself, so moved. Second by, Council Member John Wilkinson. Second. And all those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Passes in five in favor and zero opposed. This one is resolution number 13 series 2012. The resolution expressing appreciation to Dr. George Bletseth for his service as a member of the part time residence advisory board where George was appointed by the town council of San Luis Village to serve as a member of the part time residence advisory board in January 2005 and continued serving through December 31st 2011 and whereas George's hard work excellent attendee record have been an asset to the part time residence advisory board and whereas the town council appreciates George's dedication as a member of the part-time resident advisory board and whereas George's dedication, leadership and contributions to this town board unit list, now therefore be it resolved by the town council, the town assembly, the city council, the city council,, town council, the part-time resident, the part-time resident's advisory board, and the entire town staff hereby express their sincere gratitude and appreciation to Dr. George Blesdus for his contribution to promoting the strong community and enhancing the quality of life for our citizens. He introduced Red and adopted by the town council with Thomasville, Chicago on this 6th day of February 2012, upon a motion made by myself, so moved. Seconded by council member John Wilkinson. Second. And upon all those in favor. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Five in favor and zero opposed. Thanks for all those folks, and I'm sorry to that they are, I guess, are moving on to other things and, you know, we, this time we have a lot of great people who have invested a lot of time in this community and it's really nice to see them do this work but it's not so nice having to read these because I know they're not going to do this anymore. Now we've got to find somebody else to fill those shoes. But those folks have done a great job and we do really appreciate it. So anything else Don, you stayed in the room for a minute. Anything you want to say for the TV audience? The record? I'm still here. I'm going to be here. Thank you very much for doing it as long as you did. I think that group is one group has been around as a whole for a lot longer than most of the things we've had in this town. We appreciate the board of examiners and tools. Yeah. For Ronda? Thank you. John, a dresser question for you. That last one for George Blesses wasn't on the agenda. It's posted on the website. No, it was it was it was added after the agenda went out on the website. Yeah, it's on the website. Okay. Thank you very much for all that. Now we're going to move on to item 11. This is a some of us water and sanitation district update. You have Mr. Kidham being crew. Ronda, you just have to click where it says blank. Now on the remote. Okay. Point it up here to the projector up here. There you go. There you go. Did it go? It's going. All right. Kit, before you start, I actually went down to your office and thanked your staff, but I want to thank you. We had a problem around our house. We thought we had a leak and you had guys out at our house at 1130 or 12 at night. And I think that's just tremendous service on your part and I really appreciate it. Oh great, thank you. What were you doing up at that hour? Trying to stop the leak. You didn't even jump through it? No, fortunately no. I just also want to say that if it I hope everyone got to see the Nova show. Yeah, that was fantastic. Last Thursday that was really a highlight of just put everything together on what work you guys had done to allow for that, you know, just unbelievable opportunity for a community to have that in our neighborhood. I know you're not here today to talk about that, but I think it's just important that we recognize that the contribution you made to all that to make that show happen. And I still want to know about the rocks on the mastodon. Are they going to come forward with where those rocks came from? You know, that was the good question at the end of the show. That's what that's called a cliff angle where the rocks came from, you know, that was the good question at the end of the show. That's called a cliffing. Well, where the rocks came from, but they did do some testing and carbon dating on the upper layers and they were able to get a date finally off of the upper layers and it was less than 43,500 years old for the largest mastodon that they found. So, I thought that was interesting. Got to wait for the book. Yeah, well the book's out on March 22nd. And he's coming back too for a talk at here in Snowmass. On the 22nd. Yeah. Well, I'm on to Basil. I'm on the board of directors of the Snowmass Water in the sand. And is it? Yes. Yeah, stick with it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We want to stay close closer. Okay. With me is Kid Hamby. He's the director of the Sonomest Water and Sand District. We also have Mark Hamilton, a partner with Holland and Hart, who is our council, who is here with us. He's going to keep an eye on me today. But sort of along the lines of what you've been doing with these resolutions that you've just been passing, I want to let you know a little bit about Kit Hanby before we even start our presentation. Last Wednesday, the State of Colorado gave Kit a historic preservation award at the History Museum, and it was all related to his work on the Zegor Reservoir and the tremendous job that he did in organizing and hurting a bunch of cats out there. I think he did a lot of survey work. He made our equipment available to the scientists. He made that work where we were able to have both a construction site and a scientific site. So I think it's really important that we acknowledge that Kit does a tremendous job here for our community. And that award was well deserved. That's all. Sure, echo echo. Yeah. Yeah. I hope the snowmass sun puts something in the paper about this. It was a tremendous award. Thank you. Thanks. So I'm going to start with just a basic overview of what we do. The snowmass water and sea industry was formed to provide water and sewer service to all of the properties within the district boundaries which are shown on this map in red and We have a couple of other areas that we serve outside of our district boundaries One of which is Wildcat, and we provide some irrigation water to them. Another one outside of our district boundaries is the Brush Creek metropolitan district. They have a central water supply line that we serve to them under a contract right. So all of the other uses are within the district itself. And Kit is going to talk specifically about where we get the water to provide service to our customers. My name is Kit Hanby, I'm the district manager, so I'm asked water and sanitation. I just wanted to give you an overview of where we get our water from. We have three primary points of diversion out there. One is East snowmass creek, which is over here. If you were to go back on the ditch trail, you would find that diversion point. We have snowmass creek down here, and we have the West Fork of Brush Creek, which is actually pretty close to our water treatment plant. This other point of diversion is really just a water right that's still hanging out there. It hasn't been developed, but this is up close to Cafe Suzanne up on the ski area. ski area. We have a good group of water rights that date back to the 1880s. They're pretty strong rights senior to the minimum stream flows. We do have a couple of rights that are junior to the minimum stream flows. We have our snow-making water right with the 1992 priority. We also have a new water right to fill Ziegler Reservoir, which is a 2010 priority date. We have one Ziegler fill right that is in 1962, one CFS fill right that gives us the opportunity to fill Ziegler Reservoir, even when flows are below the minimum streamflow. How did you acquire these rights, especially the last one? You know, they've been purchased over the years. We acquired the new fill right. We applied for that recently, the 2010 fill right for Ziegler Reservoir, but the Zieglers had applied for a fill right back in the 60s to provide one CFS flow through the ditch coming from East Nome Ascreek? Okay, what is the difference between the 1962 right and the 2010 right? What is that, how is that exercise differently? You know, it's all depending on the date of appropriation. Ronda is really the expert when it comes to water rights here. But the difference between a 1CFS fill right and then a fill and refill right. The 1CFS fill right was the right that the Zicular supplied for back in the 60s. It gave them the opportunity to fill Zicular reservoir through the ditch at that once the FS rate. The mineral rights were taken out to fill the expanded reservoir. Okay. And the 1962 right is senior to the minimum stream flow. Our primary source is e-snomask creek. It supplies about 96% of the water. We divert, like I said, back in e-snomask creek. So if you were to walk back that ditch trail, you would find that diversion point. And we have a pipeline that is actually underneath the ditch. It travels about 10,000 feet all the way to the divide. And then goes down the sleigh ride trail all the way to our water treatment plant. We have a great water supply back there and I think the taste of the water is also just excellent and that's because it's really spring-fed water that feeds that that creek back there. So it flows into the treatment plant by the Coney Glade Lift on Fannie Hill. Yes. Yes, just raw water treatment. Correct. It supplies about 10 to 20% of the snow-making water, not a lot. But nonetheless, we get some gravity feed water from e-snomask-crate. And the beauty about the e-snomask-crate diversion is that we can gravity feed it all the way to the water- the water treatment plant. Of course, snowmats creek, you have to pump it up 800 vertical feeds. So the cost of delivering water to the water treatment plant from snowmats creek is quite a bit higher than from east snowmats creek. We also have a water ride at the West Fork of Rush Creek. I believe it's green cabin there. It's just a few hundred yards away from a water treatment plant. We have another diversion point. We take water off of the ski area. It comes from the gulch area and the surk area. And that water combines to the West Fork of Rush Creek. And then we grab it if you'd add to the water treatment plant as well. Is that the pond that's by sheer bliss chair? No. The alligator pond? No, it isn't. Let's see if you were walking up the hill from the water treatment plant over towards the top of wood run or on. I think that's green cabin. Right at the toe of the hill it's hard to see and it feeds down along creek side the stream. Is that all just run off? No, it's also spring fed creeks. We find that the water quality at Garrett is actually excellent water quality, but the water coming out of the circuit is real turbid water. It takes about six times more chemicals to treat that water than water from Esnomah's creek. So it's very expensive to treat that water than water from Esnomas Creek. So it's very expensive to treat. We only have about 2% of our water from that source anyway. It's also a very low flow creek. Right now it's running at less than 50 gallons of energy right around 40 gallons a minute. And normally it runs even less than that, maybe about 25 gallons a minute. It runs even less than that, maybe about 25 gallons a minute. Snowmass Creek also supplies us with about 2% of our water. It's down in the four of the Snowmass Creek area. We have a diversion point there. I'll show you that in a minute. We do get about 80% to 90% of our water from the Snowmass Creek diversion for snowmaking. Occasionally, we'll have high turbidity events when we have rainstorms back in that base and we'll see the turbidity climb to real high levels making water untreatable. But overall it's an excellent water source as well. The term turbidity means just a while, particularly in the water. The clarity of the water, it gets cloudy. Does it make a bad water or just... Not really, it just takes longer to treat more chemicals to treat that water, more time to treat the water. I want to do just point out the diversion structure itself. Bottom of the campground lift over here. So if you drive past the campground lift on the summer road you'll see our pump house situated close to the stream and then we have our diversion right here. It spans the entire width of the stream. I trouble looking at this in our packet. The bottom of the campground lift, so the lift goes... The lift goes uphill from there. Yes. And water flow is coming down the creek in this direction. I just decided to go ahead and put a few pictures in here showing the flooding events that we experience just about every spring. This happens to be the structure that the CWCB uses, division water resources to monitor stream flows at this location. They have a satellite connection and they take this information back and you can view it on a website. I think they updated every few hours, but they measure the stream every 15 minutes. You can see that the water is come over the banks, it's flooding this area around our diversion structure. We also measure the water flows down here. We have a submersible unit that's in this pool of water right here, and we have what's called a usonic device that measures the water up above the minimum stream. Did that cause any damage other than the flooding over the banks or was it really? Not really John. It's a pretty common occurrence during runoff. Runoff normally peaks right around the middle of June and this is it's getting very close to one off in this particular picture. This is the diversion structure looking upstream. And you can see this wall on the right hand side over here. The wall actually forces water back through what is called a simple LED wire, which is a 30 foot notch in this wall here. And based on the elevation of the water that crests over that wall, we can measure the stream flows. On this particular day, it was running at 612 CFS, and I believe that it's right around 400 million gallons a day running through that diversion structure. And that's what's going back into the stream after you take out what is pumped up? Yes. Now, maybe I should back up. The confluence of Easton mass creek and Snowmass creek is actually above our diversion structure. So if we're diverting water out of Easton mass creek, the result of that diversion is showing up here at this diversion. We've already diverted our water out. We diverted out on average about 1.7 CFS out of the stream. So you can see that by us diverting water out of the stream we're having very, very little impact on the stream during runoff. In fact, a lot of people think we're actually helping the stream by diverting more water because the damage to the fisheries we believe is caused by high flows scouring the stream, washing the small, what they call a young of year, down the stream. This is another picture of the flooding that occurs and at this point that wall that's on the far side of the flooding that occurs and at this point that wall that's on the far side of the stream over here is being overtopped. It's very difficult at this point to measure water flow because a lot of it's outside the bank and outside of our weir, but our engineers have estimated that the flows at this time are about 850 CFS. Before I came I checked the fishing report at Rudai, not because of interest in this, but because I was interested in fishing. And they're running about 92 CFS that are Rudai reservoir right now. So this is eight times what the frying pan is currently sending downstream. Does that mean what's it running at now? Pardon? The frying pan? Yeah. No, no. The stream is currently running right at about 10 CFS. OK. To me, this is probably the most telling picture that we have. This is the primary reason why we developed water at Ziegler Reservoir. On March 15th, we had our engineers put down and measure the water. We calibrated to make sure we were measuring water correctly. And the water rate is 8.34 CFS. We have now pushed the water not through a 30 wide sip of letty wear, but we've reduced that wear with down to four and a half feet so we can get more accurate measurements. Every year, the CWCB, along with a Colorado Division of Water Resources, goes down to Sumas Creek between October 11th and the 15th, and they measure the stream flows, they determine the kind of water year we're in. In 2009 they measured the stream flows that carried over to the 2010 water year, and determined that we were in the 10 to 25th percentile year. I mean that this was a low flow year, you would only see this 10 to 25 percent of the time. Happens that this year we are in 50th percentile or better year meaning that we have pretty high stream flows. The last couple of years have been huge snow years here. And this year it's obviously not as big as the last couple of years and you're saying we're still at better than 50% capacity? It's a great question, Fred. Most people don't realize that the snow pack that we have up there right now is held up there until the spring and then we're gonna start seeing runoff. So next year at this time, we will see the result of a bad snow year. Okay, I see, okay. This is a carryover from the previous year. Okay, this is a carryover from the previous year. We're below the minimum stream flow right here and you can appreciate the fact that we're pushing this entire stream through a four and a half foot wide wear. What's the implication of running below minimum stream flow? Was that mean to us? You know, Rana, you want to? Yeah, actually I have a part of my presentation I'm going to discuss what the minimum streamflow is, what the different levels are, and how does eager reservoirs really going to help us operate our system so it doesn't impact the minimum streamflow? Thanks. operate our system so it doesn't impact the minimum stream flow. I would point out that minimum stream flow in the survivability rate for trout down there are two different flows. Most people don't think of it that way but the survivability rate for trout is 4CFS on this particular stream. I decided to go ahead and include this in the presentation. It just shows where we're at today. We're at about 83% of normal snowpack, we're at 49% of the total snowpack that we would expect during the year. It was trending for a long time. This red line was trending down at 2002, 2003 levels. You see an uptick over there. It's looking a little bit better, but we're still not up to the average. Explain your to date in a bid is right there Fred. Okay, and that's 83% of snowpack? Yes, it's 83% of what we believe the snowpack is for the Rainfort watershed, not necessarily for our basin. Our basin could be a little bit different here in snowmass creek. And but seasonally it's only 49%. Yes. Let me see if I can get this back up. You can just transfer this across over here. We're at 49% of this peak average for the year. It's a little confusing. You can also find this graph and they updated occasionally on the web. So what our district board has been doing over the past probably eight years is to look and start planning to see what the carrying capacity is on our system. All of this was sort of triggered by the base village development approvals which were beyond what we had anticipated as sort of build out numbers for the town. So we went back and started an engineering study that said how much water do we need to serve the existing approvals within the town? And we have three different... What did you do to do? It was really cool. Right click? Yeah. Yeah? What did you do to do? Right click. Yeah. No, maybe left. There we go. So we came up with three different planning levels for our water needs in the future. And the first one is we do everything based on EQRs and it is a single family equivalent unit. So that's how we count our numbers. And our original plan was for 4,600 EQRs plus about 800 EQRs for base village, another 500 or so for redevelopment projects, which would include the Snowmass Center, the Mall revitalization, employee housing, the entryway and town hall, all of those came up to a total of about 5,900 EQRs. Right now, the number today that we are at is 51, 54. So obviously town hall's been built portions of face village have been built. So we are working our way into the first level of our engineering estimates. Ronda? Yeah. Question on the residential. Yes. QRs. You're assuming that it's full time year round. I could be seen by a family of four. We actually base it on usage. So the Wheeler report actually came up with an average use per resident and that's the number we based it on. So our standard single family home is a three bedroom, two bath, but we know that we have seasonal use and so that's why we've done an average gallons per day calculation. So the second level of planning that we came up with was this 6200 EQRs and this is what we determined was essentially district build out, the full build out. This includes another 300 EQRs based on numbers that we extrapolated from the existing comp plan. This was your previous comp plan, not your new one. And we decided that this would be total maximum water availability that we had and what we estimated to be the maximum that would be served. We went at 110% of that and just said, what if there were some additional approvals that would result from infill or additional approvals that the town were to grant and get us over that limit. So we looked at basically three different levels of service that we would have. Does that include the Wildcat service and the Brush Creek Village as well? Max Mumbildout? Yes, all of our uses within our district and in our district requirements are calculated within the report. requirements are calculated within the report. So, Jason, this is in answer to your question about minimum stream flows. A little history in the Wheeler Engineering Report, we came up with what we call a stewardship goal, and what that is is a limit or a flow level in Snowmass Creek below which the district does not want to go. And right now we've identified that as the 7CFS limit so we want to make sure that that amount stays in the stream. And we have an agreement with Pitkin County that talks about what happens when we hit certain levels within the stream flows. And at this point, we have to institute mandatory conservation. So everything we do from an operational standpoint is based on that stewardship goal of trying to keep 7 CFS in the stream at all times. Do we ever hit that below 7? And if so, when you talk about diversion, what does it really mean? I like kids shaking his head, yes. Occasionally during low stream flows, we will drop below seven. The natural flow will drop below seven. Another nature doesn't provide us with enough water to keep it above seven. So we'll have diurnal flow patterns and when the temperature drops to maybe right around zero or maybe ten above we'll see the stream flow drop and it'll drop below seven CFS occasionally but for very short periods of time. And then how do you do to our withdrawing water from the stream? And then when you do a diversion, water diversion strategies, what might those be? That has to, well that goes back to the way we're going to operate the good ones more. Okay, that's how you, okay, okay. Living over Fox Run, we're lucky because we've got water rights for irrigation for the subdivision irrigation. But I notice that you all, almost every summer, set up alternate day irrigation if you're using the water and sand water. Is that because you've hit one of those levels or is that just something you do automatically? No, that's something we do automatically. We've had a water conservation plan in place since 1992 and that's just one of the component parts of the plan. So everyone gets your reading glasses out because this is the real engineering aspect of what we've done. It might be easier to see this in your packets, but what each of these columns represents is the different level of development within the community. So if you were to just look right here in the middle column, what we've determined is build out at 6200 EQRs, this table was designed to tell us how much water storage we would need and how many days of the year we would not meet our water requirements in a low low water years. So this is for 1977, which is one of the historic low water years. At 6200 EQRs and maintaining our stream stewardship goal of 7CFS, we would have not had water available for our demands on 55 days of the year. And eight days, we would have not had enough flows there to meet our stream stewardship goals. So then if you go down to the bottom of this column down here, this tells us what we need for storage rights in order to compensate for those days that we would not have had enough water. And essentially where we land is that we needed 280 acre feet and that would provide us with those 55 days. It would keep water in the stream and our stewardship goals on those eight days, and it gives us water for three weeks worth of catastrophic demand. So if our entire water system were to go down, if there was a forest fire over in Snowmass Creek or if the pipeline were to be damaged in some way, we would be able to use three weeks of water from the Ziegler reservoir. In contrast, we only have about three days worth of storage and municipal storage tanks throughout the town. I'm running a question on that, seven CFS. Is there science behind that? Is that like an acceptable level? How do you come up with that? 7CFS. I'm not sure that was in the Picking County agreement, right? It was in the Picking County agreement. We see things that we have to implement. Water conservation measures at 7CFS. There's nothing scientific about it as it relates to an instrument flow, Bill. If we drop to six CFS, we have to add a search arch to everyone's bill. We have to double their bill. And that is an agreement that's part of our 1996 agreement with. It's part of burn down. But would not that have seven CFS been somehow established through science knowing healthy streamflows or I mean it's got had to have been generated from some way of measuring how this is going to keep the stream healthy through it's getting down to a certain level. The minimum stream flow is something different than our agreement then. And the minimum stream flow is based on supposedly scientific data that's presented in what would be required to maintain the health of the stream. Okay, so this is just an accounting number then. Yes, and back in 1996, they measured the stream and they had determined that the minimum stream flow was going to be about 12 CFS. The CWCB made an error in that calculations and it was later corrected. So the minimum stream flow was not 12 CFS but is determined every year between October 11th and the 15th. And right now the minimum stream flow, like I said, is 10 CFS in 2010. It was 9 CFS. But the agreement that was reached in 1996 with Hitt County came up with the seven CFS and it was an erroneous calculation based on the Ministry of Flow at that time. It still is part of our agreement with Pitkin County though. That's a long version. Okay. So, to get back to our the engineering chart, so what we ended up with here at Zeagler is about 250 acre feet right around our target for build out of the town at 6200 EQRs. Obviously we spent a lot of money on this project. The actual construction loans through the CWCB totaled this $4.83 million. We also paid the Zegler family about $3.5 million for the property itself. So it is an expensive process, but the process to build a reservoir, but obviously we feel that it's necessary for the full build out of the town. Now, how much do the town, where we asked to vote for on that originally, do you remember? Because you passed a bond issue to do this project, the Zidler project. No, we did not. You're thinking of the bond issue to enlarge the wastewater treatment plant. Oh, okay. It's a $6.4 million bond. Okay. So, the Ziegler Reservoir helps us from a number of areas. The most important is which is this dry year flows. The idea is when flows are available like during the spring, when the flows are really high and flooding over the the weirs, we can then divert water and fill the reservoir when flows are available and then have those storage rights available for our system later in the year when the stream flows are lower and we may not want to be pulling water at that time. So operationally it will allow us to meet our stewardship goals on the creek itself. This obviously provides a greater fire flow protection and the emergency water supply that we could have for a couple of weeks in there. It has the potential of providing usegler reservoir is going to be very beneficial to the long-term plan for the district. One of the things that we've decided to do as a district is that since we've gone through this entire planning process and we have our numbers and you guys have your land use planning processes that are sort of separate from that, when we do will serve letters in the future so you get a developer that has come to us and say, district will you serve us in the future for this development? What we will do in our will serve letter is say yes, we will serve this many EQRs for this development and that means town there are X many EQRs left in our planning process because after that point then obviously additional water rights or new water supplies have to be developed and then it gets very expensive So does this new storage capacity give you comfort to get to the full 6200? Yes. Yes. And so when the front range communities we hear in the news are talking about expanding their water rights and pouring water from our headwaters and stuff, I guess it was a article last week, one of the papers. What does that, you know, what's going on there, and is that something that we need to be worrying about in general, or do we need to play that same game, acquiring water rights? I think we are very well situated with our water rights, so I don't think we need to go out and be getting other water rights. We're not looking at, yeah, we're not looking at the big expansion of anything. So I don't think we need to go out and be getting other water rights. We're not looking at expansion of anything. Yeah, I think what we look at it as a reasonable planning period, I think the Supreme Court just came out with a case that said 50 years as far down the road as we can realistically plan for. And so we think we're well within that planning process. There's certainly the potential for additional transmountain diversions to the front range and I think that that's one of the things that this Rorynford watershed plan has looked at and trying to analyze how that will affect us in the Roaring Fork Valley. The fact that we are on the other side of the Roaring Fork because we pull our water from Snowman's Creek, protects us a little bit from that. Okay. Russ. How are we at risk from those trans mountain diversions? I mean, there was also an interesting article day in the Aspen Times about a Northwest Cog study on that issue. I don't know if you've had a chance to look at it. I haven't seen the Northwest Cog study. Essentially what it is, what the way it affects our valley is with the priority of rights. Some of those front-range water rights will be senior to a lot of the rights that we have here in our valley so that they will be able to pull prior to any irrigation rights or wells or other water rights that might be already approved in our in our valley. So other downstream rights have to be filled by the water coming out of our creeks or how does that? I mean where does water coming out of East no mass creek go to a trans mountain diversion or how does that? That's just that is our East snowman's creek does does not actually our East no man's creek and snow man's creek water rights are transmissive trans-basin diversions because normally that water would not get into the brush creek valley but we bring it up and over divide and bring it in. So we're essentially doing a trans-basin diversion that way too. So Russ? Just wanted to ask about that final bullet. And again, I remember a number of discussions with this key company as we are getting to the end of the holidays. And we were pretty dry. And again, Steve reminded me that the water for snow making has to turn off on December 31st. And he was filling what storage they had on the mountain, which was relatively limited. And I guess I was just curious is there the opportunity with Ziggler to use that for snow making? Is there a strategic opportunity? There is certainly the potential for us to have an extended supply of water for the ski company for snow making. We are currently in negotiations with the ski company on an agreement for Ziegler. So I guess the outcome of that agreement will determine whether or not that happens. Where does that date come from the December 31st, does that an agreement with? It's a water right requirement. Why is it different here? Is it because the water comes from brush creek? Why is it different here than say buttermilk? I mean, they were for the X games, they were making snow two days before the X games, whereas here we have to cut off. There are an municipal system there at buttermilk. I think they're supplied by the city of Aspen And they're coming out of the wrong fork river. And so I think that's one of the nice things that they have to pull from I think So Jason had asked that I specifically addressed the Goringford watershed plan I know that you're gonna to get a presentation from them maybe next at your next meeting. It's the first meeting in March. OK, so I will go into great detail about what the Goringford Watershed Plan is. Other than it is a compendium of every possible thing that you could do to keep water in the stream and the water quality high. And it's interesting because they try to keep the water at a certain level. They don't want floods and they don't want it in a drought situation. So their concept is to keep fairly consistent flows and it is a completely shotgun approach. It is everything you could ever wanna do. And what we've done with the watershed plan is take a lot of those concepts and say, what is it that's in here that we can do to help our water rates, our stream flows and our water quality. And I think our district is probably in the forefront of operations for all of those types of benefits. A couple of the things that we have already implemented that are in the plan is we are dealing with the minimum stream flows and the stewardship goals that we have set not only through contract, but obviously in all of our engineering, we've planned around keeping those set flows in the stream. We already have a stream gauge. You saw the photographs earlier of all of the measuring devices that we have there. One of the things that the plan calls for is having accurate diversion records in a lot of the streams and that's not available in all of the local rivers. We have lawn and garden watering restrictions, which is what we talked about earlier, even though it's not required under our agreements. We have fines and teared water rates for uses and the idea there is obviously to keep people from using excess water especially for irrigation purposes during the summer. We meet all of our water use through the district and we have a water conservation plan that we've adopted and are getting ready to submit to the CWCB, which is the Colorado Water Conservation Board and the Fair, the entity that provided the loan for our construction on the Ziegler Reservoir. And I would say the biggest thing that we're doing that is one of the recommendations in this watershed plan is that we have built storage and from an operational standpoint, being able to pull water from a storage facility and aggressively use water that's in the storage facility rather than be pulling water from the stream constantly is a good safety measure for the stream itself. So I think looking at all of that, I think the CWCB was really excited to see all that we already do here in Snowmass. And I think Kit will go through some of the very specific issues on our water conservation plan. Before you guys, one question I've been thinking about over the last couple years, you know, we've been asked to participate and I think in a few different water study reports, who funds these things or these things that are all looking at the same things or are they looking at different items? And you know, because sometimes I worry, you I worry are we being consulted to death? And you know should there be one group that does this and you know I'm sure they come to you guys since we don't as the town control water but it does seem like we're getting every year or two years someone's coming to say hey we want you to participate in this water study? Well, I think Picking County was funding this through the RUDI Power Board. We always look at this information and use it for educational purposes. But the Wheeler report is what we base all of our planning on, we have our own engineers and have them, they've obviously looked at great detail on all of our water matters. And so, yeah, I think you're seeing a lot more interesting water rights over the years and all these different entities are taking a look. And the Watershed Plan is an attempt to be the one that is in charge of all the different projects that are going on out there. They don't really have the authority or the power to do that. But they're trying to collect that through this report, I think. You know, those reports done every four years, five, eight years? Is that something that's consistent? No, they've been working on iterations of their plan. I think since 2007 or 2008. We want to talk a little bit about water conservation in the district. As Rhonda said, we already have a water conservation plan. It's been in place since 1992. And it addresses low flow toilets, low flow fixtures, alternate day watering. But we've tried to add to that report or that plan recently. And I provided to you with sort of an addendum to this PowerPoint. It just talks a little bit about some of the key components in our new water conservation plan. And I wasn't going to go over a lot of that in detail, but I did want to talk about three of the key measures that we have in this plan. It was recently adopted in 2011 by the Board already because we've implemented quite a few of these measures over the past four or five years, we've already seen a 27% savings in water treatment plant production, which is just phenomenal. We're going to be submitting this plan in 2012 to the CWCB, so we're trying to put it in the right format that they can look at. But hopefully that will be approved here soon. The three fundamental programs that we have in this program are the leak detection program. And we have really been aggressively chasing leaks in our 45 miles of distribution system out there. We've been doing that now for about three years. Only during the last two years have we been really successful in finding a few of these leaks and we can really pinpoint it down to about three major leaks, two of the leaks were on private lines that fed condominiums. One line broke and became such a problem that it finally flooded out a unit. And we believe that that may have been losing as much as 80 gallons per minute, which is a tremendous amount of water over the course of a year. We found another leak going into a foundation at another lodge, we repaired that. And then we found a third leak that was on Wood Road. It was a pretty good sized leak between Wood Road Run Place and Wood Run 5. And we fixed that. We're not sure exactly how much water we save with this leak detection program, but we know it's made a big change in our water treatment plant production. We've also been able to compare what we do to other special districts across the state. They've been surveyed. We find out that most districts that have a good solid planner actually doing leak detection on about 20% of their system every year. Completing leak detection within a five year period and then they go ahead and resume that program. We are doing 80 to 100% of our system in the spring and then we follow up with another 50% in the fall. And it was really primarily because of that one slide that you saw where we have that 8.34 CFS of stream flow in the creek. We can't afford to have leaks in our system. There just isn't enough water out there for us to have leaks. Okay, what's the issue? Can you guys do the leak detection? How does that accomplish? It's actually a pretty interesting system and it's really come a long way in the past, probably 10 years. The science has really improved. But it's two sensors, Jason, that you put on valves that are maybe two or three hundred feet apart, you're listening to the line. And as water leaves through a leak, it makes a sound, just like it would in a tire, you know, if you had a leak in a tire. And you can calculate, or our computer calculates, how long it takes for that sound to travel, a certain distance to each one of the sensors. It goes back to our computer, it generates a distance from each sensor, and we find the leak. And I'd like to brag on this point a little bit because it's huge saving 27% of the water that we've been diverting and I think we have one of the lowest leak rates anywhere. If you look at a system wide it's extremely low so they're doing a fabulous job of keeping on top of those leaks. So what happened kid on that section of road time on our curve most recently this winter that you guys were out busting your gut trying to you know take care of and fix was that a um that wasn't a pre-existing leak bill. That was a break. A snap in the line, a shear break, which means that there's sort of lateral pressure on the line and it just pops. Every 20 feet in these 44 or 45 miles of water lines, we have a joint where the pipes put together and there's a rubber gasket in there. Over time, these tend to leak. The ground moves, the joints flex and it'll develop leaks. So we're constantly going back and looking for more leaks. Most of the leaks that we find are in that two to ten gallon per minute range, but occasionally we'll find one of these larger leaks and it makes a huge difference. Well, I was, I was just wanted to say I was impressed with your energy that night, because I happened to also go off at dinner about 1130 and saw these lights down there and went down and you were out there with a flag with your people working it, trying to make it, you know, back into a good shape, letting I guess the concrete dry. But I was like, I slowed down and wanted to say, thank you, Kit, and I think you thought I was going to frippy the boat or something. Well, I didn't have much energy at that point, Bill, but thanks. The leach test and program has been great. I mean, our guys have been right on a lot of these leaks. It's not a perfect science. And the thing that really throws us off is if you're testing a line, a 300 foot section of line, you have a service line that goes to a condominium. If there's a leak on that service line, we hear it as usage, we can't determine that there's a leak on that line. So occasionally when you have leaks on service lines, they're very difficult to find. Especially in the upper part of the village where we have a lot of condominiums. So occasionally when you have leaks on service lines, they're very difficult to find, especially in the upper part of the village where we have a lot of condominiums. So we will send our guys out normally during the off seasons when we have low occupancy and we'll send them out to the four in the morning to test these lines. So we have the best chance of finding leaks during those times. And we've been successful in a couple cases, but it really is difficult. There's always something running in some of these large condominiums. OK. The other program or measure that Rhonda mentioned was these conservation terrors. And you can see them down here at the bottom. It's been several years since we added these conservation tears, but what we did is we looked at water usage in various customer classifications, whether it was multifamily residential, commercial, single family residential, and we tried to determine where people were using water, how much water they were using in each of these classifications. And we'll get to another graph here in just a minute. But what we find is that in single-family residential, we have an awful lot of usage out there for irrigation, which is what you would assume. But so much so that we decided to put these conservation tears in that would address some of these high end users. These tier three and tier four levels really sort of focus in on the high end users that are using excessive amounts of water, what we consider excessive amounts. And it's normally just during the irrigation season that we find this. You'd be amazed when you look up here at the top, you see that the average usage would be about 350 gallons a day, or roughly about 30,000 gallons per quarter. So when we get our billing in, we'll look at individual accounts and we'll compare these accounts. Summer months, we may have maybe as much as 45,000 gallons per single family house out there of usage. But we will find some accounts that have as much as 700,000 gallons of usage for a single family home, just extraordinary amounts of water being used out there. So we added these conservation tears to really target those accounts and we've seen people using less and less water. It's taken some time for them to adapt to these new conservation tears, but we're seeing less water being used. So how are you communicating that to the customers? Because when I get bills? Well, when I get bills from you, it has a base rate and it never says how many gallons I use in a year, what tier I am. What we're going to try and do, John, is set up our billing system so you can actually access that information. It's a lot of information, believe me. Because when you're looking at it, then many tears, plus your base rate, where we give away 15,000 gallons right off the top. It's hard to put that in some kind of perspective. So what we need to do is set up our billing system so you can see what you used last year during that same quarter and you can compare it? Yeah, because the electricity builds does that and so is natural. Gas it's a use 232 last year this same period. Yeah. But the question I have goes back to occupancy because as a community, I don't know what percent of our single family homes are occupied year round versus the ones that are used for second homes. How does that calculate into that? Because obviously if my neighbor's only here for two or three weeks a year, they're gonna be using far less than somebody that lives here full time. I would say yesterday, except during the summer seasons. In summer seasons, even unoccupied homes are using a tremendous amount of water for irrigation. You see it out there all the time. They all have property managers that are watering their lawns. And most of that water that they used during that three months period really goes towards irrigation. So what percent of the water usage for residential in the summertime is irrigation versus dysregular washing clothes and cooking food? We'll get to that here in a minute. You know, which I think it's. Sorry. In 2006, we developed an asset management plan, and we looked at all of our infrastructure, all of our facilities, and we determined what the life of those facilities would be. Pumps, aerators, compressors would have maybe a life of 10 to 15 years. Water lines may have a life of 100 years or more. We looked at how long the functional obsolescence of those lines would be updated out and we tried to develop a replacement plan based on that asset management plan. We focused in on water lines because we have more problems with water lines than any of our infrastructure. And we are really trying to look at the replacement of about 17 miles of cast iron pipe. Cast iron was considered a state of the art back in the 1960s. But it's since been replaced by ductal iron lines, which are far stronger, more durable. They last over 100 years. Cast iron, we think, in certain certain places may only last about 60 years and some of the cast iron pipes that we have are already 45 years old. So we've been replacing a lot of this cast over the past five or six years and it's also helped in the reduction of our water treatment plant production. We are also looking at our vitrified clay pipe. We can slip like that. It's a less intrusive kind of thing. We can pull liners through it and form new liners inside the pipe. But these programs cost about $1.2, $1.3 million every year to replace these lines. dollars every year to replace these lines. Replacing four tenths of a mile each year would take us over 40 years just to replace the cast iron alone. And by that time, you're well past the life of that line. So this is a real important program for us. Because of these three core programs, like I said, we were been able to reduce our water treatment plan production by some 27 percent. In 2006, 2009, we were producing over 600 million gallons a year, and that is not unusual for the number of EQRs we have in the village. We're still in 350 gallons per day range per EQR and producing over 600 million gallons. We saw a downturn at the end of 2009, it was probably because we found one large leak. And it continued to drop. And I wanted to highlight this. This was actually a pretty busy graph. We had 22 years of information on this graph. When I first put it off, I reduced it down to 12 years. And I've tried to bold this bottom line here. This is where we're currently at. Even with 22 years of water treatment plan production, we are running along the bottom of this graph. We've been able to reduce our water treatment plan production to a point where we're just about below where we were 22 years ago. Up here I noted that 46.5% of all the water produced during those three summer months. 46.5% of all the water produced at the water treatment plant is produced during those three months. In 2011 our water treatment plant production dropped to 483 million gallons from over 663 million gallons. The EQR average dropped from 323 in 2006 down to 257. And this is probably the lowest average I've ever seen published for communities that have outside irrigation. Based on the current trending, we would expect at build out when we're at 6200QRs that we're going to be producing less water at build out than we did from 2006 to 2009. What do you attribute that drop to? Those three core programs, really the leak detection, the change in rates, and this infrastructure replacement. We're hoping that this new water conservation plan, we may be able to get another 4-5% out of it, which would be great. What's the total capacity out of the water free and plant? No, the total capacity is over 5 million gallons a day, but that isn't a carrying capacity issue. You know, it's really the availability issue of raw water. Ravaging 1.7 CFS out of the stream system all year long. And of course during the summer months it kicks up. Maybe it's 2.5 CFS, but this time of year it's normally about 1.2 CFS. We know we've been successful. We know the system's very tight. I put this graph up and this was actually given to us by the caucus engineers. They were doing the same kind of analysis and looking at our water treatment plan production versus the wastewater treatment plan to influence. And so during the summer months, you can see that a lot of water's being used for irrigation. It's never making it back to the wastewater plant. So these lines, well the water treatment plant line is quite a bit higher than the influence line coming back to the wastewater treatment plant. Starting in November, you can see that these lines converge. Normally what you would see is about 5% difference in these lines, and we're not even seeing 5%, which means that all of the water that we're producing at the water treatment plant is making it through the system and back to our wastewater plant. It's that tight, and it continues throughout the winter. And then starting in April, we're starting to see these lines, again, move apart. We're actually seeing the influence line, the wastewater treatment plant higher than the water treatment plant production. And this is because of infiltration, water running off, getting into the manholes, seeping into our, our sewers. our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our our They're done. Seeing well back to the question on irrigation use in the summer. So what percent of residential use is for irrigation? The total amount of water produced. Like for my house. How much percent of that would I normally on the average be using for irrigation versus a potable water? John, it varies so much because of the lot size and the amount that you irrigate. But normally what you're seeing is about 60, 65 percent of the water is used for irrigation during some of the months. Now is there any possibility of using raw water rather than treated water for irrigation systems in snowmass? There is and we talked a little bit about it in that water conservation plan. Reuse water would be a great program to have but to provide a distribution system for all our reuse water from the wastewater treatment plant all the way up to the top of the village would be tens of millions of dollars It would be an ideal situation to be able to grab it if you that water you're getting maybe part of the golf course or anything Below the elevation of the wastewater treatment plant Enter several places in snowmass that use raw water for irrigation And there are several places in Snowmass that use raw water for irrigation. Sure. Right, okay. So there is a significant or is it significant or not? You know, for the water that we divert, it's probably not significant, but there are other water rights holders out there that irrigate the horse ranch area. We don't know those water rights. We don't know the water rights that irrigate the golf course, one by someone else. What I was hoping to develop in this maybe years down the road is the ability to divert some of the water that we cannot use out of the West Fork. And possibly have a raw water irrigation system that's set up along the core or maybe the West Village where we can irrigate that corridor coming down, Fannie Hill, and maybe provide some of that raw water to some of the condominiums through there. Yeah, the corollary to that is, in addition to raw water, to have some more zirke landscape requirements. So, Jason, I was just going to ask in your conservation goals that you listed here. You make reference to a couple of code changes that you'd like to see in terms of accomplishing some of those, what are the ways to then low flow fixtures. I guess the question is what would you look to the town in terms of helping further those conservation goals, but where were the priorities for that? Good question. I think first and foremost is the most important thing for us is to be on the same page about development and build out. That's critical that we all are working on those same numbers. critical that we all are working on those same numbers. But in terms of additional programs, I think that we were just highlighting them with this raw water, which is going to be a huge infrastructure number or reuse water. We can do those and for the town to encourage Zurich landscaping. And certainly low flow plumbing code. landscaping and Certainly low flow plumbing code. I mean that's already part of our This low foes so is this smart irrigation Systems is that what does that represent a large opportunity given that concentration of all that outdoor water use is landscape-based? Is that something that would... Does that get you a big number if you require some of those programmable irrigation systems and things like that? I think part of the problem is that most people do have programmable and this program for too much. People will just put it on for their entire day that they have a lot to them for irrigation, which is every other day and typically don't need that. It would be nice to know how to do that. I think that would be part of your educational because I never know how much is enough and how until my lawn starts turning brown I you know obviously have missed it at that point versus how much is too much and you can get a sensor yeah that will help in that in the does it go in the ground because I have a rain sensor and a temperature sensor is this something else you know I have a moisture sensor that might detect the moisture and you know in. In the lawn itself? Yeah. That'd be interesting. You know I knew a few years ago ski company actually had a rebate program for if you swapped out high-flow toilets for low flow. And that was through their program. Is there anything like that that you're looking at to incentivize homeowners to replace some of these water wasting. John, we talked to each other about it a little bit. I don't know if there's value to us to fund that right now. I think that we're going to see a lot of these older fixtures replace just through attrition. I think if West Village is ever redeveloped or you see all of the fixtures changed out, that's gonna make a huge difference. It's hard to spend that much money and not see a lot of payback. But, Teagan, what Jason was saying is that there is anything we can do to our code that you don't have the opportunity through your process that we could change in our code that would reflect our ability to reduce some of the water usage. How are we comparison to other communities? Aren't we pretty low with your work? And we're not, we compare us to other mountain resorts, our numbers comparable lower? We're at 257 gallons per EQR and we try and compare ourselves to comparable communities like Vale. Vale is right about 320-330 per EQR. So we feel like we're obviously doing a great job. Compared to Vale. Setting the fire pretty low. I'm not sure if they're going to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able could be of assistance. I'm sure they'd be interested in having a chat. The other thing, Mr. Mayor, that I don't know if Kit or Brana would want to comment on this, but I am aware that the Snowmass caucus has done a little bit of their own water work. And with that, they may have some projections that we may see about their perspective on build out and I don't know if you've heard anything more about that or whether that's something the town might see in the in the future. I guess that's another question is how much water you know when you compare what we're taking out for our municipal needs at a some as creek. How much is that out of the normal flow that is that? You know, we're taking out 1.7 on average. 1.7% of. 1.7 CFS. Our water right is to take out a total of six CFS between the East Nomeass Creek and Stomass Creek Divergence. That's the maximum amount is to take out a total of six CFS between the East No Mask Creek and Snow Mask Creek Divergence. That's the maximum amount we can take out. When you look at other water rights out there, we are probably one of the smallest users of water out of Snow Mask Creek. I believe it's a wonder walker ditch is over 70 CFS. The monastery has over 60 CFS of water that they take out of the system. I just saw part of the article today in the paper saying that East Nomex Creek is dried up occasionally in August because of the diversions. We're taking 1.7 out, but we see Wildcat taking over 20 CFS out during that same time. Uh-huh. Well, let's take this for the question is how are we comparing to other users of that stream? We're probably the biggest user during the winter months. We are the smallest user during the summer months. And that's why we've developed Ziegler Reservoir. I mean, this is a great opportunity rather than take water out of the stream. And the stream flows get low. We can now take it directly out of the reservoir. We're going to have far less impact on that stream in the future, Bill. It's probably the most significant environmental program out there. Maybe the biggest program that snowmasses ever seen as far as helping that stream. Just by diverting water out of the reservoir. So when we get somebody from some other location coming to ask us for some change or something being that the town is not the controller of water. Does that request usually come to you guys first? We've had the caucus very active in our meetings, and they would certainly, I think, start with us. They've just done an engineering analysis of, I think, what they consider to be climate change analysis. And we as a board just got the report and haven't even gone through it and discussed it as a group. But it's certainly something that they come to us with regularly. Because I guess they were one of the groups came some point a couple years ago, or last year looking for some help funding for one of these reports. And it was again, just another report like, where do they stop? Or, you know, are these good? I'm sure there are great reports to get into and listen and pay attention to. But it was $100,000 or some number was the total, I thought I was hearing. It was, and they asked us to share in that cost as well. But we had just gone through our engineering analysis and spent a lot of money on our report. And we didn't feel like we needed to do any additional analysis at that point. Okay, so this is fairly safe for the community to depend on something like water and saying you run the kit for leading us into what we should be doing for conservation and taking care of our water systems. And always make sure we come and ask for your direction or don't just sit there and agree to something in this hall without looking towards you for some answers. I think our district has just done a phenomenal job, especially with the Zegler edition. Yeah, that's fantastic. I think it will help us for a long time. Jason? I just want to make John ask the question about incentives for efficient appliances and things just to let you know and everybody know. Core does offer a rebate on water-sense toilets. You want to replace one of your existing toilets or up to three of your existing toilets. I think you get $75 towards the first and 25 towards the next two. So there are at least some incentives out there for that. And then one other thing I was just looking through my CML newsletter, that was in my box today, talking about the mayor's challenge for water conservation. If you guys are aware of that, it might be a great outreach program to get involved with. That's March 30th through April 30th of this year, an outreach and education program, encouraging water conservation throughout your community. And to that end, it seems like given the age of a lot of our housing stock, I imagine we have some leaky fixtures and things like that. There are a lot of our condominiums that might be an effective way to reach some of those folks. And then a question really quickly. What is the implication of the new healthy rivers and streams group and funding stream that's coming into the county and how do we interface with that or water and sand district interface with that anyway. We don't or we haven't. Right now I think one of the issues that was raised in this, where I'm from Watershed Plan was that they were asking that the Picking County Healthy Rivers and Streams identify its goals and plans publicly. And I'm not actually aware of what programs they are supporting right now. So I think that that would be a good thing for them to start with, for them to say, what is it that they intend to do through the organization. Rhonda, there appears to be many, many organizations involved in water conservation. There's an appearance of overlap who has authority, who does not have authority. To the viewing public, you know, we've got the snowmass caucus. You've got the healthy stream. We just referenced. You've got the new watershed report coming out. We've got water and sand. You know, I think it's confusing to the listener. So if it appears to me that what I'm saying really is kind of the dominant organization that everyone should be listening to, and that may be overly simplified, but I think that we need to be aware of what is the purpose and what is the funding source of all of these other organizations? And are they deluding precious financial resources through grants from consumers, et cetera? Do you have any response to that observation of mine? Well, I think we do take all of the information that's out there and filter it as an organization. And there is a lot of information out there. What the district tries to do is operate its water rates in the best way that it can to serve its citizens. Yeah, it's citizens exactly. And yeah, there's a lot of organizations looking at the same thing and we just have to take in the information and use it as we can. I think it's always important to communicate to the public as to such things as this report, which is an amazing report, and I really appreciate all the staff and Rhonda and Ket you putting it together. I think our public really, it'd be nice to have a link each from our townwebs out more so than just a council packet into the snowmass order and saying what's going on because it's extremely helpful, particularly the goals for next year and going into the future. Sure, and the district has a website, so maybe we can just do a little bit. Yeah, link it. Very good. Okay, the else that we should be asking you and thinking about for the future, or. Jason's comment was well taken. I think there probably are some things the town can do, but as far as water conservation goes, maybe new regulations. But I think really the district has to be more assertive in making sure that we follow up on some of these water conservation measures. We haven't done that in the past, but we're going to start reviewing plans more thoroughly when we get new plans for new development and making sure that they meet our requirements. And then we're going to go in and during the final inspection, I guess, on these buildings and make sure that these facilities were actually installed of these water saving devices. And I think it's also wise when we get into this irrigation issue, I think that all of us see abuse in our villages. We go around, I think there should be a limit on how much per day. You have many minutes per day, depending on a zone or what have you, but the water conservation devices are sensing devices. I think are extremely helpful in knowing you've got too much water in your soil or not enough. So I'd love to see. Well, right now you guys, you know, some limitation of, was it 4,000 square feet of irrigated? No, we don't have really any limitations all and that's the other thing that Mark just brought up is maybe with new development we should start looking at limitations on irrigation. Yeah, all limitations have. Sure. That's what I was referring to. It's your question Jason. You're saying what could you do to help? You know, from my estimation as things come through the land use process, particularly rezoning's, PUDs and I realize we're in the midst of the great recession, and there's not a whole lot of that coming down right now. But there are opportunities in that process that you all have to set limits on, let's say, with a single family development, outdoor irrigated area. You could say 5,000, 2,000, whatever the right number is, per square feet of yard per unit. And then when kick goes to look at plans a year or two later, five years later whenever somebody pulls a building permit, he's able to apply that metric. Whereas we don't have the district level, that sort of ability to look back. We charge them more if they irrigate. They get into those higher rates, but there's no ability to say, well, in this development, you can't have more than 2000 feet of lawn and garden. So that's a good thing you can do proactively. And if there was an opportunity to maybe refer to the district early planning stage and take comments back, maybe that would be something that would help. I know we've heard not too long, well, I guess it was a while ago, but our building official talking about transferring over to a green or adopting a green building code. I'm a standardized, we haven't heard about that for a while, but that's maybe something can get into that process. Again, that's one of the topics within the EV, but they haven't chatted recently about those potential code changes. Maybe. It might be a good idea just to do a little bit of an educational process with our EAB. And again, I've learned a lot about our plumbing, which is so important to our strategy within the town of Ale, our comp plan directly links into a lot of the information that Kit presented. So again, I think our EAB would be a great group, particularly on these collaborative efforts, regulatory efforts and educational efforts to link into. Now look, Russ, we just get a bunch of them just quit tonight. You know, we're going to give more work. We've got to fresh you EAB. It's a brand new fresh board. Good, good. Johnny. Plenty of energy. Like, for example, I hate to admit ignorance, but on this water sensor thing, I just went to sprinkler warehouse and you can buy him for starter kit for $126. And I mean, those are the kind of things we can incorporate in our code to say, okay, anyone putting in a new sprinkler system you're required for each zone having one of these installed. I mean, it's no big, I'm gonna do one this summer because I never know. So I mean, these are the kind of things I think we can help you out with that you don't have the ability to write it into our code to require these kind of changes. We can write it into our rules and regulations though and we can make those calculations like Mark said, but it would definitely be helpful to get that support from the town. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Anything else? Thank you guys, Dal. Very much, Rhonda, for your energy. I'm glad we had time to go over this too, because we had a light agenda today. It was nice to be able to get a really good education. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You got the thumb drive? Yeah, too much. Hey, Fred wants to be here for another couple hours. Guys will remember. So the next thing we have is a, I'm going to bet you my page here without going through my other pages I was looking in. This is a first reading, ordinance 2 series of 2012, repealing revisions of chapter 8. An ordinance amending and repealing certain provisions of Article 3 of Chapter 8 of the Slamas Village Municipal Code to change Section 8-51, penalty assessment fine and point schedule, and repeal of Section 8-53 schedule. And Mr. Dresser's name is on this one. You'll recall that when we had the judge and to renew his contract, we discussed this with you. Right now, the town of Snowmass Village is at adopted a point schedule assessment find. So when you get a traffic ticket for 10 miles an hour over the speed limit, it's 50 or 75. I don't want the number as, and you can satisfy that by sending that check in and not having the necessity of appearing in court. Town also has adopted the Model Traffic Code and the Model Traffic Code under Section 1701 provides that the court shall adopt that schedule of assessment fines by a court order. And so we ask you that first meeting in January, if that was something you would want to do, and I've put in some of the reasons in the memo that you've gotten, and that the police have to do pre, they don't have to, but it greatly simplifies their jobs to have pre-printed citation forms to give out. And we typically, the council doesn't wanna take on the minutiae of assessing and evaluating those fines in a regular time frame that would allow us to keep on par with the jurisdictions that we share being the state, the county, and we usually compare to the city of Aspen and the town of Bissol. So what this does is allow, it actually clarifies that the municipal court will adopt that schedule, and that can be changed anytime by court order. So it's very it becomes flexible and the police department always does the research to give the comparisons. They've already done that that's actually already in front of the judge for his consideration but we need to repeal the schedule that's in the code so we don't have a defendant coming in and saying, well, the code says I only have to pay $50 to do this one and the new one is $100. So that's what this ordinance is about. Is there a motion to accept the ordinance to 2012? I hear Marky and second by Fred. Other discussion? John, you might want to do this from time to time about how often did you say that, you know? Well, usually the state usually does it. Between 12 and 18 months, the county does follows them. The city usually does and we haven't been very diligent about following those. And just for an example, if you were to get a careless driving below the roundabout, it would be $150 if you got it above the round about it would be $50. And so I don't think the average driver knows that they have that flexibility, but we would like it to be consistent. We do now. Okay. Hopefully those that are listening will understand their any other questions. All those that are listening will understand their questions. All those first reading, all those in favor of ordinance two please sit in the 5 a.m. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? We'll see you have a couple of weeks with second reading. Thank you, sir. Manager and report is next on the agenda. Thank you. We are planning for a retreat with the town council on February 27th. And again, first just want to confirm date and time and location. Right now, based on our last discussion, we'd go from 12 to 5. And we did find a location at the Eagle County building at El Jabel, to free space. It's a meeting room. And I think there was a request, Jason wanted to be a little closer to a meeting. So first is date and time and location work. Date and time location from me works. Okay. Next is what do we want to accomplish? And again, just touching based, John Peacock, for example, they're doing two days, spending quite a bit of time. We've kind of got a half day planned. At a minimum, we'd like to try and develop a set of goals and from that then an action plan. Kind of in some of the materials we're working on and like to try and balance it off of you before then to see if the logic flows is to connect the aspirations statement we have. We've got a comp plan which provides an overarching strategy, but then ask you to think a little bit about what's in the middle in terms of goals, particularly around key areas that the community sees us implementing and addressing. So again, one element is a work plan. Another is there's an element of certainly having a little bit of discussion about how you work as a group and a team, how you work with staff. That could be a significant chunk of the time or it could be a quick assessment. Russ, you know we did a fair amount of that last year. We did. Okay. I'll tell you what I would like to see us concentrate on. I would like to see us concentrate on real live on the ground goals that we would like to see it happen over the next year or two years. And then steps that we can take to help accomplish those goals. I mean, we did the aspiration statement and we did the 30,000 feet. I'd rather, we talked about how we should interact with each other. And we talked about how we should interact with each other. I would really like to see this hard and fast things we like to accomplish and ways we can accomplish it. That, I mean, at least from a staff standpoint, that's the main question. That's the main question is. There are a few discussions that we've seen us and how we interact with each other in the public. But I felt would be appropriate to have a little more of that reminder of how we want to treat each other and treat the public. So that's just a short little thing I threw in there to say, hey, let's reinforce the, you know, the civility and the, the posiviveness that we need to address and talk about. How we talk about it. And we will still work, how we call each other on them. Yeah. But on the goals, again, that's something last year, you developed an action plan. And if you go through that, most of that's implemented in terms of things we could implement. Do we want to also kind of have some goals to hang some actions on? But that's what we're hoping to do. And I think it gets to look for some of your questions you've said, you know, what do we need to do to address, you know, the world has changed. What does that mean? So the thing I'd like to do for your information is there's a couple of things we're going to reach out to some key entities. Hopefully we'll get an update before then in terms of where base villages at that point Also, we're planning to have a chat with the ski company. They are thinking now about what summer looks like And we may have some additional thoughts to share from them on They're planning for the summer. Will you have any thoughts from the marketing committee to share with us? will you have any thoughts from the marketing committee to share with us? Well certainly have if anything has evolved for example they're going to be meeting on Wednesday. They had their initial meeting with the new group I think it's going to be a healthy mix. And one of the things they realize that it's going to take them a little longer than one hour to do is what a summer look like. So they have a follow-up meeting on Wednesday and we certainly can share that with you. Thank you. Perhaps you may mention of this survey idea. Yes. And kind of then going to what information would be helpful for you. It occurred to us and that could very well be a specific action. We might suggest to you is look at a broader community survey but it's relatively easy now with our email list to push out some basic questions. And again, we've got something like 2,500 email addresses and simply ask those individuals and we can ask them in a survey monkey type of format. Are you a resident? You work here. And then simply ask them, what do they see us? Some high, some important priorities and actions for you to consider. Is that something you can accomplish before the... It would be an issue of time. It's relatively easy to put together the survey monkey. It's easy to push it out. I think it'd be great. It would just be an issue of how long would we field that survey. And the way it works is when people responded automatically, tabulates it. We use survey monkey with ESC and when we're undertaking a new project. And we found that it works very well. And if we could have something like that with significant input for the community, obviously both first and second homeowners, I think that would be, that would really help us set an agenda. We would just acknowledge to you this is the database we have that we can rapidly do it with 2500 email lists. That's a lot of people though. So it's simple. Yeah, we would. And I would love to see one that targets the business community as well. I don't know if you have that. We've got 100 is made up, but we do have an email list for basically our retailers, restaurants, and lodges. Are people who have licenses great to get feedback from that group and from a general? Yeah, I think that'd be incredibly helpful. And as I say, the survey monkey, and we've used it a bunch of times, and we found it to be very effective and it really expedite our work at ESC. The other piece of information, I also chatted with Bill a little bit about the opportunity to have staff present just to share issues, goals, kind of going around the room, we can do that. We're happy to do that. At our next meeting, you'll notice a complete lack of an agenda items. Although as we kind of went around the room, there's some specific things from the CIP that, you know, Hunt and David could speak to. I didn't get a burning passion to have all the directors kind of go through their issues and I told them I certainly wouldn't force you to identify issues if you didn't have them. So they're happy to be here. Just recognize there's some that would have a number of things like Hunt, you know, that you've already looked at through the CIP. Others might say I really don't have much in the way of significant issues to pass on to you at this time. But that's something we can certainly capture in writing and have if departments have issues or ideas for you to certainly pass that on to you in a written format, but they enjoy being here and interacting with you as well. Most of the time. Most of the time. Yeah, I'm here for a favor and I'm writing. Jason, what was it? Get that in writing. I'm in favor of getting that list of issues or summary of those issues in writing. And writing, I think if you tie that as well as the survey monkey, if we can pull something like that further retreat, you know, we constantly talk about one year. Well, one year comes and it goes very, very quickly. We appear and I've been on the council, this will be number four here, we tend not to think strategically. We tend to either, it's a kind of a knee jerk. We need to plan something now. This is reactionary. versus intit- For example, we still do not have a solid goal as to, where do we see the environmental strategy in this town? Where do we see development? Oh, you know, it's kind of in the comp plan, but things come up on the agenda that tend not to fit always into the context of the comp plan or a larger plan. And I think that would be very helpful if we try to gather what the directors are thinking and some of their issues. Pull from the community, both the primary and secondary homeowners, and I like Jason's idea of the business community. And I think we could be able to see where those points might intersect and then pick the top five or 10 to begin to really work around. So I don't know if that's possible. Sure, yes. I mean, it's just, you know, I saw the drafts. It's relatively easy. Fabulous. And I know you're still tweaking that piece of work. And I think it'll be great. Okay. The other question would be, you know, particularly if we could time it so we could give you a little bit of opportunity to read some of this information coming in. We might, again, five hours sounds like a lot. Not that much. It goes very quickly. We might ask you or see if you're interested doing a little homework going into it and potentially thinking about some goals and some actions going into the meeting and then obviously rolling up your sleeves together. Yeah. If you can get the survey done, I think it can get it to us before the meeting. I mean, I think it's well worth are doing the homework and I for one would be delighted to do it because I think we could have a more meaningful meeting. Great, yes. Good idea. Super. Okay. Anything else on the retreat? The only other thing when you're doing this survey monkey, since the customer are the people that vote, I would really like to know their perceptions on how well we the town, Antown Council, are serving their needs. That's a loaded topic, but... Well, I mean, that's a good question in the... Reception, direct. But well, I mean, that's a good question in the reception and you'll hear in this piece that comes to you from staff. You'll hear some summation of the last major survey we did, which was 2007. And you had a lot of questions about how is each department performing? Is council performing? And you know, again, you want to be very careful how you frame those questions. We were thinking relatively simplistically in terms of asking people for their thoughts on priorities, actions, goals for you. And if you go into the, you know, the evaluation of staff and council. Well, let's not do that. We're going to keep it simple. But I think it's- If you go into the you know the evaluation of staff and council Let's not do that we're gonna keep it simple, but I think it could be a follow-up to do that appropriately as a next step Good. Yeah, let's not put too much stuff in this little bag Construction management plan you see on page 50 of your packet Just wanted to remind you that within the construction management, there's actually a portion within the building code that talks about construction management plans. We updated this significantly in 2007. The context of this is we had multiple right away projects, we had multiple sites where we had construction projects and this enabled the town to state via resolution here are dates. We don't want to see construction activity here are dates we don't want to see right away activity so it was kind of a proactive means to do that. We haven't had any construction so this hasn't been too much of an issue. We do have an administrative approval for the silvertry. We will have wildwood coming into a process, or we have an application in right now. So we have a couple projects, and given their location, the construction management probably will be the most significant issue with these. We can control it through a construction management plan, but kind of chat it around. And this is a proactive tool for kind of acknowledging your dates you should stay away from. And we can state that in March. Events will inevitably change. The question to you is, you wanna pull the trigger and do this type of resolution if we did. We would need to put this on in the month of February. President, I'm going to ask a question. Because if the silver tree come forward with their dates, don't they have, you know, dates the silver tree and it's going to be shut down and they think they're going to open it again. But this is more so they wouldn't schedule a major concrete pour on the night of a Thursday night concert. This is just notice of them. These are the events and if you're going to impact these events you've got to come and get special permission. So yeah, it's available to all contractors so that we don't get, when this was passed, there was a lot of this going on and we didn't want to get caught in a situation where several big projects were clogging up the road or doing right away work when we're trying to run a special event. So all this really does is provide notice to them and we have not gotten a final construction management plan from the silvertry yet. We know the days they're closed and the days they hope to reopen. But they need to provide a specific management plan that they have not yet done. We know that as we notice, they can formulate that into their construction management plan. Conversely, do we have a marketing plan for the summer so that we know when events are going to take place? And so we can be sure that they don't, that whatever goes on with construction, because I mean, they're going to be up at the mall, which is where most of these events take place. So right now we have a calendar for the summer. And we know those dates still having a debate about how you market it and how you present it. But we have those dates now on a calendar. Well, anticipate that there'll be other events we don't know about today, but the big ones, chili pepper, Thursday night concerts, culinary, now are on a calendar. That's what would be on this resolution if you chose to do it. Do we need to really go through that? Detail or cannot not be handled by the planning department? This requires, if you take advantage of this provision, the Council has. The action of council. And essentially what you're doing is saying, here's a calendar for the year where we're putting you on notice that we don't want noise generating activity or work in the right away on these events. Now within the ordinance on the books, we retain through the building official with seven days notice to impose any restriction on construction hours that he... So if you have an emus event that comes out of the blue, you can still do that. John, this is just advanced notice. So when they're formulating their summer construction program, they know to avoid these big days. Micromanagement can happen at a multitude of different levels afterwards, even all the way back to you. It seems worthwhile to at least look at the calendar and look at the events. We can publish that. You know, they see any downside in doing this and more of an upside that it's a proactive way of communicating. Should be adopted prior to March 1st each year. So there you have an item for your next meeting. Very good. Good job, Russ. Okay. Next thing we have is minutes for the next December in February 21st and the one after that. Thank you. First draft, the agenda. I wasn't joking. You literally had nothing other than the perfunctory items on the 21st. Okay. So with this item, you're maybe a grand total of minutes for November 7th moving on to. Is there a motion to approve? Submitted. Second. Ms. Markey Butler and John Wilkinson seconds. Discussion? All those in favor please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. That's right. I've already submitted my changes to the clerk. Did you go back and double check all these budget fingers, John? I sure did. Down to the nickel. Then we have one for November 21st, 2011. Is there motion to approve? So moved. Fred? I'll second it. Any further discussion? Fred, I'll second it. Any further discussion? I was just going to ask a question about content in there. There was the talk about the re-op grants. Yes. And it said in the coming weeks, you were going to start a public awareness campaign. We did. We actually did a notice. The amount available there which It's not much 7,000 yeah Would technically be there in 2012 a ad did go out Basically an initial feeler that if you have ideas thoughts kind of with obviously the framework of what that grant is supposed to be. So an initial ad did. Did you get any? I'd have to ask. Okay. Tell me good to hear about. Anything down there? Okay, always in favor? Go ahead, John. Yeah, on Lions 88 and 89 on page Go ahead John. Yeah on Lions 88 and 89 on page 66 About the impact of the bubble would have inside of her house. I think it was from the inside of her house Good point. I think the bubble inside her house would be impactful Why yeah Okay inside her house would be impactful. Yeah. Okay. And that is highlighted, I mean, it is a capitalized. I think the kids would enjoy having a bubble inside their house, but keep the house clean. Okay. With that edits. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. We're on the 21st now. Yes, we are. Did see something in there. You know what I'm saying? I'll begin to talk about that. Well, there was a line 43 page two of six Council member, Butler and Cooker were absent, then butler is in the vote. Excuse me. So do you need to announce? So you made the vote. So she was there for the vote. Online 67 it says, come to remember but we arrived at 407 PM. So maybe that should be moved up. No. No. Oh, well, I just that confused me. I got it. I'll move it. OK. Yep. I think that's appropriate. Good idea. Good idea. OK. With those edits, all those in favor, please signify if I have a second on. All right. Are you opposed? With those edits all those in favor of please signify by saying all right opposed John I would just note that online 221 it indicates that you spoke to horses and Dogs regarding the trustee trail I like that things for pointing out That was appropriate You adopting Merck's platform of the bears in the Alcove voters here, too Boy I believe it. Thank you. It's the way. Both regarding. Okay, a calendar. So the council meeting for the 21st is on a Tuesday. Be aware. The 21st of February is a Tuesday. Just so you're all aware of that. on the Tuesday. The 21st of February is a Tuesday. Just so you're all aware of that. This week we have an EOT subcommittee meeting and an EOTC meeting in the morning. Is that the first one? Yes. In the first one. Look at that. Good luck. Mm-hmm. And that's going to be a tough one. Well, that's where it goes. No, I have raft at 8.30 that morning that's gonna run till 1. Yes, it. Yep. Maybe later. Okay. But I'll be at the EOTC. Okay. Anything else in the calendars? Anything else in the calendars? Then I don't have any other Normal end of meeting label in front of me, so I guess we can call for an adjournment Motion by Markey second by Fred all was in favor. I Any opposed we're adjourned. Thank you. All right. Yeah, look at me. Russ, I'm going to go with boys. Yeah. you you you you