I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the you you you you you you you The morning ladies and gentlemen, Denton County Commissioner's Court for Tuesday, December 7, 2010 is now in session. This morning an invocation will begin by Dr. Bing Burton, Director of our Health Department. And our pledges will be led by Beth Fleming, Director of Purchasing. Will you please stand? Would you pray with me? The word became flesh and dwelt among us. Wonderful counselor, mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. O King of kings, you made your throne a manger. Teach us your ways. We pray you're blessing upon our commissioner's court and all who appear before it today. We ask that you also bless our nation and all those who serve it both at home and abroad. Amen. Thank you. Thank you. Steve DeVie of the United States of America, and to the Republic of which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Honourable Texas flag, a place of allegiance to thee, Texas, on the day under God, on the need of Israel. Thank you. We're going to go first to item 3a. 3a is approval of a resolution honoring the town of North Lake on its 50th anniversary of incorporation. Commissioner Eans. Yes, Judge. Thank you very much. And I'm pleased we have our mayor and our city manager and city secretary from North Lake here this morning. We have a resolution on behalf of the court. Whereas 2010 marks the 50th anniversary of the town of North Lake first settled in the late 1800s and didn't county and incorporated in 1960. And whereas an election was held on December 13th, 1960, at the Marcom Place on Old Elizabeth Road, and whereas Ditton County Judge ordered and decreed that the town of North Lake was declared a duly incorporated municipality under the provisions of chapter 11, title 28, revised civil statutes of 1925 on December 14th, 1960. And whereas the name North Lake came from being located north of Lake Great Vine since the core of engineers obtained land and easement donated by residents of the town. And whereas the town of North Lake maintains the same vitality, neighborliness, and rural charm, and is a gym to Ditton County. And now therefore be resolved that the commissioner's court of Ditton County does hereby, since and serious congratulations to the town of North Lake. And do hereby and proudly recognize this half century of its incorporation and share in the spirit of celebration and community hereby proclaim on December 11th, 2010 as an official 50th anniversary of the town. Then an open court this seventh day of December 2010. I move for approval. Carol, second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. I move for approval. Carol second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. O.C. Nain. Motion to carry unanimously. Congratulations. Let's do some comments. The official comments, I guess, I have to say my name more, I reside, and all that good stuff. My name is Peter Doan, Mayor North Lake, Texas, and I do appreciate the court's gestures as far as recognizing the official 50 years of North Lake. I've been in Texas for a few years now and I hope the next 50 years of what the vision of the founders had still remains for the next 50 years. And we've been holding celebrations long line and we have another one this Saturday to celebrate to the general public of the, to show the foresight of the leaders back when it was started and hopefully we will retain that same foresight moving forward. And I appreciate it and thank you very much for their judge and commissioners. Thank you and appreciate your being here. Congratulations. Thank you. Item one on the agenda is for public input. For I'm not listed on the agenda. If there's any member of the public that would like to address commissioners court, we ask that you please complete a public comment form available from the court. We'd be glad to hear from you. Watch your mind. Everyone to please turn off your cell phones and pages. We have two public comment forms this morning. First we're going to hear from Mr. Willie Hudsby. the forms this morning. First, we're going to hear from Mr. Willie Hudsby. You went kind of long last week, Mr. Hudsby didn't get a chance to have his time. He had to leave. First, let me say, Mr. Hudsby, that my comments are still in writing and available to anybody that would like to take a look at them on the, excuse me, on the railing there. It's available to anybody that would like to take a look at them on the railing there. It's available to anybody that would like a comment. And Mr. Husbeth, since I took like nine minutes to, you might say, rebut your statements from before I agreed to give Mr. Husbeth nine minutes this morning. So you just. Judge, I'd like to and commissioners. I'd like to, I'll let you know when I'm ready for the nine minutes and then let you work it in. I'm not still have all my information. So I'll just do three minutes. Is it three minutes? That'd be fine. Yes, three minutes. And then I'll let you know about them. Again, I'm Willie Hussworth. I live at 623 Newton. Make sure this thing is working. OK. Two things. One or three. I'm here to try to get you to see the need to remove the Confederate monument because of the memory that it causes to, for me, anyway, about that monument, in fact, what it represented. But I wanna talk about something else that didn't conclude with that, talking about that again, if I have time. One is, this agenda is an official notice as to what will take place here in this chamber at a given time. You are under the rules that the Attorney General I found, Attorney General I found overseas. One of the rules is that you are to discuss what is on the agenda. I haven't got a ruling from him as of yet as to how you can consistently move things around, specifically when the public comments section is on the agenda. I don't know that you are able to just do that consistently every time we meet. But just as a point of just a note, I take three minutes. That's all I take. That's all I'm allowed. I do it and I'm on time and I do it and I give the three minutes. If I choose to, I'd like to stay here and hear what the other comments are. But most of the time, I'm like you, you know, I'm a videotape what you do when I talk. So you can see what I think about the rest of the stuff that you cover. I think the same as you do right now about what I'm seeing, about that other stuff that you say. I waited 45 minutes to get to say my three minutes. I could have done that at the beginning and been done. One time I sit in here for two hours to get my three minutes. It's on the agenda first. I think you're supposed to go by that. Or you should say, citizens comment on the agenda whenever we want to do it. Instead of one, it's a one by it. So it should come first. But again, I have not gotten the ruling yet from the attorney generally when I do, then I'll know how to act after that. Next comment, the all-war memorial that I think that's what it's called, that you didn't get painted for the day, get and get refurbished, the letters so that you can read them on the day of the memorials day. Again, I see you standing erect. You face the flag, you're a wreck, your heart, your hands are over your heart and you look at it and you recite the words. How many of you fought in any war? That's a different kind of presentation of the flag. It's kind of, you stand up erect and you face it. But you didn't go to Vietnam. And when we came back, nobody recognized what we'd done. This like, when I got off the airport, they turned their backs to me as though I was, was I failure. Hey, I didn't want to go in the first place. I didn't want to go, but I went. I fought. I did what my sergeants and my officers told me to do. I did exactly what they told me. I did not want to go. I came back in a cloud of shame. So that's standing at that flag and looking like you really are honorable and that you honor that and I maybe do. But not to paint the memorial. Something's wrong with that. It's all over again. We fight, we lose limbs, we lose our sense of values because of that during war. When you see dead people, it affects you really bad. And then to come and all we ask was you to paint the memorial and you didn't do it. Now something's wrong with that. You can stand erect if you want, but I think your action to say something else. We have a second public comment formed this morning is from our tax successor collector. Mr. Steve Mossman. I think I signed all these. So, as members of the court, thank you for this opportunity. I'm Steve Mossman, Denton County Tax Accessor Collector. As you're aware, most of the public is aware December 31st is the County holiday, County offices other than law enforcement will be closed. The tax office, however, will also be open on December 31st. It's the second busiest day of tax collection every year, and there are a lot of people who want to pay their taxes at that point for their income tax purposes, so we will be there, we will be smiling, and we will be helping them with their needs. Thank you. You're going to be open on December 31st early June. We will be- Monday after the first of the year, you'll take that day in exchange. Yes, we will be open 8 to 4.30 Monday on Friday the 31st we will be closed all day January 30th so the staff still gets the new years holiday. And notices to the papers so good. Website. That didn't count it up. Yeah it will be on our website probably the county website it'll be in the newspapers. We're doing everything we can to let people know we've got signs made up for the doors of the offices. Good idea. Thank you. Thank you. Can I just tell you all the people that come flying up to the door about 429? I've got to get my taxes paid in this year. Yeah. Okay. Members, let's move now to item two, which is the consent agenda. Are there items on the consent agenda that you need to vote for consideration or discussion? Or do we have a motion for approval? Motion by Commissioner Marchant. Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. All in favor, please say aye. Aye opposed a name. Motion does carry. And send agenda today consists of two a, which is approval of the ordermaking appointments. We have a new hire. It's a juvenile case manager for JP three. We have a new hire, it's a juvenile case manager for JP3. We have a new hire in public facilities. We have three new hires in the county jail, new hire in the county clerk, records management preservation, and a new hire in the public health clinical. UV is approval of Intra Departmental Transfers to see is approval of payroll. Tiddy is approval of award of bid for Baron Road Greenwich Improvements. This is bid number 091020582C. Cook and Sons for $222,084.75. 2E is approval of specifications for RFQ 11. I'm sorry, 1110 2066 for architectural services for Odenbridge East Facility, appointment of the evaluation committee. And 2-F is presentation of CSCD, that's community supervision corrections department if I'm correct. Statement of financial position at fourth quarter financial report is required by statute. This is submitted for recording purposes only. 5-8 is next and that is approval bill report. Payments from CSED, Community Corrections, TAAP, Shares Training, Shares, Forfeiture, VIP Interest, DA Check B and DA-4 for Chair funds are all presented for recording purposes. Good morning, James Wells. Morning Judge commissioners. I'd ask approval bills as presented with the one deletion. That was processed incorrectly and the two additions all from the general fund. These are noted on a separate page. It's all corrections I have. Thank you. Do you have any questions from members of the corridor? Do we have a motion for approval? Motion by commission Mitchell Seconded by commissioner Coleman on favor please say aye aye opposed sinning motion does carry 10 a's approval change order number two in the amount of 7458 dollars for the more street improvement Project is recommended by the Debt and County construction manager You be Ella can you explain what's going on. Morning, pressure, morning, Judge. Yeah, this change order was some unforeseen conditions. When the signal lines were installed, they were installed to shallow. So when the JRJ paving went to dig up the turn lane to go on to Moore Street they got into those signal lines and tore those up. So this is the cost to repair those lines and then lower them also so they're out of the way of the road base. I strongly suggest that we at least keep this project moving forward. It's kind of a dragon now and I'd like to get this approved and we can discuss about whether we look for getting paid back for this from text that or not. But I think in the meantime it would be good for us to pay this and go forward to be a look at the project. I began the pursuit of reimbursement from text. I had to be created the problem problem they need to pay for it. I'm going to figure out who expected to be buried shallow or what had happened. Yeah, there was always planned to be a turn lane there even from the start so it should have been underneath where that where the turn lane was going. I mean it was a typical pavement section that was used that we used for the rest of the road there. And actually that, turnling was actually in the, from my understanding, it was a while ago, but it was actually initially in the project that TechStop was doing, and then it was pulled out of the project to be done later, but it was always planned to do. Couldn't have happened in the s what he's saying. All right, I'm a purpre. Thank you. We have a motion by Commissioner Coleman. Second. Second Thank you. We have a motion by Commissioner Coleman second by Commissioner Marchin. Are there any further questions? Your none on favor please say aye. I oppose any Motion to carry thank you Michael 12 a is approval of the amendment of presentation modification or contract between US Corps of Engineers and Denton County for approval motion by Commissioner Coleman The chair will second other questions. Your none on favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed sending. Motion does carry 12 V as approval, state and local task force agreement between Denton County Sheriff's Office and the Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration. I move for approval. Motion by Commissioner Coleman, seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. Other questions? Any none? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye. Motion does carry. 12C is approval of an audit of the Denton County Sheriff's Office fiscal year 2010, Chapter 59, asset, forefiture report, as required by Article 59.06G1 of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure. This is where recording purposes only. Mr. Wells, have you had a chance to look at that? Absolutely. Okay. You're okay with it? Yes. As I turn to that. Yeah. The numbers on report presented by the Sheriff's Office are in agreement with the numbers maintaining our accounting records in our office. I'll move for approval. Second. We have motion by Commissioner Coleman, seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. Any further questions or comments? Hearing none, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed to say aye. Motion does carry. 13A is approval of Richard McM Aye. Aye. Opposed to the name? Motion does carry. 13A is approval of Richard McMillan's reappointment to the Environmental Advisory Board. This is Commissioner Two appointment. Motion by Commissioner Marchant. Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. On favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed to the name? Motion carries. 13B is reappointment of tie sheets, peer point to speedway tip number two board. Motion by Commissioner Eans. Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. On favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed Sineen. Motion is carried. We're going to come back to 13C after we've taken care of everything else. 14A is a provo of a construction contract between Dicken County, Texas and quality excavation limited for the Wynwood Haven, subdivision road repair project in the amount of 392,258 dollars and 37 cents, with funding to come from BSRP Commissioner precinct to discretionary funds. This is auditor line item 8574569090. Motion by Commissioner Marchand. I'll second. Seconded by Commissioner Coleman. Questions? Hearing none. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, Zinning? Motion does carry. OK, we're going to go to item 15, which is executive session. 15A is under Texas government code 551.0785. This is deliberation regarding medical records of individuals close meeting for a governmental body that administers the public insurance health or retirement plan to deliberate regarding the matter that includes a consideration of information in the medical records of an individual applicant for benefit from the plan 15b is under Texas Government Code 551.072, which is delirium relation regarding real property, close meeting to deliberate the value of real property. Where a deliberation in an open meeting would have a detrimental effect on the position of the governmental body and negotiations with the third person regarding the value of real property located in Denton County Commissioner Pursing 2 and 15C is under the same section of the code and basically it's consideration or I should say to deliberate the value of real property also but this is in Pursing 4. With that we are an executive session. I'm going to do it. We convene from executive session. There will be no action on 15A, B or C. And now we'll go to, I'll find it just a minute. 13C, which is workshop related to the 82nd legislative session. Once just started. I brought it up so I just kind of, I'll start if you don't mind. I had a thank you commissioner Mitchell for handing out the summary of bills that have been filed up today I think that's very helpful When I asked this to be placed on the agenda I kind of was thinking we would talk about general concepts as opposed to specific legislation, I don't I don't know if y'all had a different idea, but I just kind of wanted to talk about general concepts and When I asked for it I had kind of a list in my mind on stuff that I thought was pertinent to counties or at least the area that I represent in it. We could kind of like, I figured we could all workshop it and figure out what we thought as consensus were good principles for the upcoming legislative session. The reason I did that is because I saw in Colin County and some of the other surrounding counties they all had workshops about talking about their legislative. Things that, you know, I'm concerned about are, you know, the proliferation of water districts in the area that I represent. I generally would like for them to go through the TCQ vetting process as opposed to getting them through the legislature. There's a whole lit name problems, I think, that's bringing up, getting them through the TCQ vetting process as opposed to getting them through the legislature. There's a whole lit name of problems I think that's bringing up, getting them through the legislature. So that's one thing I would like to throw out there. The other deal is due to the recent Attorney General opinion regarding the ability for somebody to set municipal rules and regs, or home rule type authority within districts, which has been problematic. I know there's been proposed. I know one person has contacted me as a lobbyist saying they wanted me to review some potential legislation that might be proposed, and I spent a good portion of my night, because I promised to send it to Commissioner Mershant, and I still can't find it in my email. So that's the reason I think I haven't done it, as I always go look for it, I can't find it. But Tim Green from Coats and Rose, I think has some people he's representing, and he wants to, you know, find a cure for that. I'm concerned that on one hand, I don't know if we should have the developers basically getting a governmental entity to be the de facto homeowners association with government authority, but on the other hand, I think the county should have some input, but I don't want the cost of that law enforcement fully pushed down upon the county. I know that we do, they do, like everybody who lives in a city does pay some county, you know, bad does pay county taxes, and the result they do reserve county resources. So, we shouldn't, I don't think, when we provide county resources out there, you know, to the districts get a one-for-one reimbursement, but there should be some reimbursement for the level of service that they want above what we do provide for county residents. Am I being clear or not really? Are you talking specifically about police and fire? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sure wrong. Where the problem, I'll just give you a great example of what he's talking about. Because of the Attorney General's decision that basically states that no special districts within the state of Texas have the authority to enforce traffic regulations. Castle Hills is a prime example of that where the developer has gone in on what the evidently stated Texas received to be private roads and puts up speed limit signs, puts up traffic light stop signs and tries to regulate traffic and then has an expectation of the city of Louisville who they contract with to enforce those rules as if they were public roads. And Attorney General said they cannot impose those traffic regulations. They don't have the authority to put up stop signs. They don't have an authority to put up those traffic. So like in Lantana, Lantana, you know, if the developer is putting up those speed limit signs or whatever, they don't have the authority to do that. And so we've always, when we talked about water supply districts, we always emphasize as part of our agreement with them is that they seek law enforcement contract for fire and police. Right. But the only thing that they can enforce are the rules of the road, which is transportation code I think 545, that basically a DPS, trooper or a constable are sheriff can enforce, which has nothing to do with ordinances that municipalities put on the books for noise abatement for, I mean I had somebody call me another day and ask if the county licensed their license animals for pets. And if the special district had the authority to make them by license and then give them tickets if they're if they're pets violated their regulations. Oh, I said go talk to your state representatives if don't talk to me about it. So, um, so I mean, we need to look at legislation. I think our DA's office did a good job of laying out the questions asked and thank you John. I think that was a real good request. I know some other people think different but I think it was very clear because I mean generally the basic tenants of law are that special districts like counties are entities of limited authority and the districts are limited to providing water and sewer. But I think the residents expect more from that governmental entity that frankly love the fairly high tax upwards of some proposed $1.20. Well, what are we supposed to do as a county? Well, well, that's kind of the problem, Bobby, is because I mean, we win out at one point. And I think we said, OK, if you're going to be a special district, you have to hire a police, you have to provide law enforcement. And so they go and hire a half time officer. When her community policing, if you talk to Chief Deputy Howe and some of the other people they say, look, for 1,000 people, we need one officer. In the last few districts that have been created, there was actually a part of the contract that they would contract with the county you know per so many residents and well and then one remedy that I mean that the counties may or that maybe sought is that the the county commissioners court be given the authority I mean this is just one given the authority to to determine the to determine the speed limit signs, the school zones, those traffic and then not that the county has to enforce that but any law enforcement agency that the special district chooses to contract with can have the ability to enforce it. And so we were going to get together and with Bert Solomon and John Felt and Commissioner Coleman and talk about it. Now, I went to the TAC conference in Austin and they had these breakout sessions for counties that had specific different issues. And I was in one with counties that were 300,000 and above. Every county commissioner brought up the issue of these special water districts and law enforcement and spreading the Sheriff's Department thin on how to regulate traffic within those worst parts. Because they're very high density deals. I mean, they're getting even more sophisticated because they used to come out and want to put them in the county. And then I think they realized that I was opposed to any of them in the county. So now they go in and put it in the gray area. That's the ETJ. And I mean, like you spoke to Mr. Spirits cost that he share with you the agreement I mean they're planning for to 5,000 square foot lots and there Well, that's that's changed. Well, that's their agreement with the city of Little Elf and that's what they have now I mean like they've told me that they have alternative plans, you know what I mean? But it's and that they're openly they're fixing the sell it so and that was one of my concerns is they sell it. We have to renegotiate a new deal with the new people. But, you know, it's potentially extremely high density. Yes. And, you know, 720 out of 30. I think first problem with a little on this, that particularly roughly 300 acres that we're looking to sell, little on one of them to make an industrial park out of it, and they're like, no, that's not working. But we want to do with our land, and they should have the right to do what they want to do with their own land within legal parameters, of course. I know to just blanket tell these folks, well, we're not going to encourage any special districts through commissioners or with commissioners court support to create them legislatively go through T.C. Q. Developers don't like to do that because it costs more money to go through T.C. Q and that's the cost way along the process to it costs us a lot of money if they do it legislatively. So let me ask you a question and this is probably for Bennett and you commissioner Coleman. The special district that have been created in the past. Are there any bonds? I mean, do the county require any bonds on these districts so that if they don't fill the roads to what I mean, surely, hopefully, we're inspecting these so that the roads they put in meet certain standards. And if they don't, there should be a, isn't there a bonding process? Are we out of hold on? If you remember, back in the day, and this is, I'm remembering back when I was actually with the DA's office, we didn't take Kerbing gutter because we weren't able to maintain curbing gutter, right Andy? Right. And so they wanted to put in, you know, concrete or asphalt with curbing gutter. So they just brought them in as non-county roads. It's non-county roads. It's non-county roads. Out the bond or the inspection. You know, okay. Well, part of my deal is, and like I suggested, and you know, to add to what Ron said, first of all, they once, you know, they put in elementary schools and they want school, they want school zones. Man, you want a school zone in front of your, in front of your, of front of your school, but because they weren't involved in the county process and we follow the text.manual, these school zones are not set up to be, you know, it's like trying to push a square peg through a round hole. And it's hard to, to e make it enforceable, right, or to have it manage the specs because they just kind of in there and just kind of, you know, win it in a, you know, in a different manner than we have liked. But like the, for instance, the spirit hostile is a legislative worker. I mean as a workaround based, well I said look guys if you go through the TCEQ you don't get bond you don't get road bond authority okay and that's what they want is they want road bond authority. And what you can do as I said with those guys the offer I made is you all go in and get it through the TCEQ, then you come to work with me as your county commissioner to get your roads built and have it done according to how you know, Bennett wants it into our new county specs and then you place the road bond up there and then I'll petition the court to have them accepted into the county road maintenance system because that way you avoid the double taxation that I perceive is going on with the residents of Lentana, Castle Hills, Providence, Savannah, Artisia, paying the county to maintain their roads but then also paying the taxing district to maintain their roads. And there's also, but they don't want to do that because they make money on selling the road bonds. And they have a fear that you Be quite honest you may not be willing to cooperate with them Right, you have bad districts For day ones and she been in office and so they might have a fear that you you say I'm gonna y'all go do this and come down As it with me, and I'm gonna I'll sit down and work it through with you There might be a real apprehension there. Well, don't want my rostrics, but I'm going to willing to compromise. You may like districts, but you still need to compromise. I may not. I'm all about that. I'm just saying, if I was Mr. Developer, and you go back and listen to your comments over the years, and I know you've had some tough districts to work with, and I don't envy your situation out there. I have a couple of good districts and so we have different experience. But I'm saying there might be an apprehension on the developers. Developers. I think there's a big difference between Atlanta and some of the districts. Absolutely. I know, I know we have different life experiences as far as the districts we have. But I have a perfect goal or we wouldn't have any Distance right so those citizens wouldn't have Those That's one of my point is one of the big one of the big issues in order for the county to be given authority within a water The district Our special district to post signs is that it has to become a public roadway. Now, I mean, I don't know how many of you guys are willing to accept us to have legislations that we accept all in Lantan, all of the other other supply district of those roadways to become public. That means that we accept the maintenance on that unless there is an opportunity for that special district to waive that maintenance requirement except it with some limited right away so it doesn't take care of, I mean culverts and stuff like that, that we don't have to maintain, but we only have the authority to post or make a transfer. I'm not like the careful with you ask what you mean. I know, I know that. Well for example Crossroads Ranch okay those were built in a different manner than some of the other ones because the water and sewer was paid for by bond money but the developer privately paid for the roads. Yeah okay and I have basically in the process and I've got Bennett working on it and I've talked to him and they their districts their wickets, have passed a resolution asking for the county to take in these concrete roads into the county commandments. And that's where the project for working on it. Now it's problematic, right? But they do pay county taxes. And as a result of those county taxes, they should have county maintained roads. I've had a discussion with our auditor and I think correct me if I'm wrong James, but if you sell bonds to build roads, I don't know if we can bring those in without assuming that debt. So I think those roads may never be brought in. You know what I'd like that kind of what we had a general discussion regarding that I can't remember if I may be confused. I'm sure about that. I would like to do is, I think it would be beneficial for all of us to have a spreadsheet of all the districts, how they were created. I know you and I have talked over the years and you have done a lot of continuing education with your legal background on districts and I think that would be good for all of us to kind of get up to speed. It is for us how they were created, when they were created, what powers that each have. There's an awful lot of districts that have been created and nothing's been put out there yet. Yeah, they're just anticipating the development. Right, right. Jim Allison with the TAC has accepted this challenge to write legislation that would affect this. And so, we need to have as much input into it. Yeah. Well, I met just yesterday with this spirit, this spirit, this 300 acres in the E.T.J. of Little Elm and your current commissioner, Colin, they don't want to go through the TCQ for the reasons that we discuss. Then there was a discussion about the 15 cents that they were going to dedicate and staff and was determined that that's not enough money to handle the Police and Fire Protection. They've gone to Senator Nelson about carrying a bill for them. Of course, she's going to come to the county and say, how do you and the school district feel about it? They hadn't even talked to the school district. And I said, you need to talk to the school district, too, because depending on how many houses you put out there, there's a formula that so many houses equates to so many kids that you're going to have to educate and ask them if they'd send it aside or consider setting aside any land for a school. They had land set aside for parks but they haven't considered school. I said we better have that discussion. But at some point they're going to come back and ask for a commission's court to either a support them or not support them to pass on to Senator Nelson as to whether or not. And I feel confident that if we say no or not supporting it, Jinger Nelson will not care the bill for them. So we need to come up with a, on one hand, you want to see the development. It's kind of catch 22, but there's a cost to the county for this development with all the residents and the homes out there in the road certainly. Well, my whole point is, hey, I don't think we need development at any cost. I mean, we need the right kind of development, not just development right now. And I think perhaps in the past that may have been kind of the mentality. I would be very interested to see what Jamalison comes up with. And I want to say, you know, I'm pro development, but you know, as a Republican and you know, with our conservative values, we want less government and less taxes. And to me, adding an additional layer of government with almost school district type taxes to basically subsidize residential development in the area that I represent is something that I don't agree with. Now I've tried to reach compromise with them by saying look you know I don't agree with your district I'm going to prevent it getting passed through with your road development authority but if you're going to go through the TCEQ and get it, I'm going to have to work with you. And as a way to solve some of our problems, I will work with you getting your roads specced out to county standard and accepted for county maintenance so the people who live out there will enjoy the benefit of their county taxes. That is what I think is a fair compromise. It's not exactly what I want because in my world we wouldn't have the district's period. Okay, but the legislature and their wisdom has decided to allow the T.C. Q to authorize them. If they're going to get one grotesque through the legislature that gives them all authority to tax and spend on roads, water, and sewer and then lay the burden of providing municipal style, you know, government and services on the county, that's unfair. And it particularly revved me the wrong way that when we have everybody talking about how this is my land, I get the way to develop the way I want your interfering with my property rights. And I say, look, that's fine. You develop it the way you want. Go get the money like every other developer and borrow it at the bank. But what you're doing is you're asking the government to come on your property and grant you government-like authority, but then at the same time you're saying stay out of my business. You either do it the right way or if you ask the government in, you know, we then assume some sort of authority way to do it. Right. They want to play it both ways. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, and Andy, I'm, I'm, I'm resentful. I know that I've had several people in the real estate business and real estate agents and I know you're one say that I'm anti-development and that is not true. I am all for development and debt and debt. And ever said your anti-development. I've never said your anti-development. All I said was that if people, if you're saying you wanna sit down and work it all out, how the county can set these roads, I'm just saying if I was a district, just based on your own comments. And I said you've had a bad experience with districts. I'm just saying there might be a apprehension there at prevention there. If they want to, if they want to put in the caterpillar plant or some good heavy industrial or light industrial that will bring a lot of high paid county jobs in the county, I'll be the first one in line to help them build the roads to their plant or provide the curb cuts and all that sort of stuff. But we need more jobs not really in my opinion right now more houses. So I mean that's why I wanted to put it on there is I wanted to kind of get an agreement from the the collective a lot of us that we don't think at this time that you know we need any more special districts. I think we should try and absorb the ones we got now. At least not created legislatively. Yeah exactly. We want do we want to make that just an official position of the court? I think that, you know, let's work. No more. Yeah, no more. I think so. I want to see that. I want to see. I don't know if I'm here to say that right now. Right off the bat. I'm not legislative. We they can always go through the T.C. I understand that. I go through the T.C. I understand that. I want to see the Bennett pool together at list of the pros and cons of the different all started. It's just a new concept for me to ask if we as a court want to embrace that. I kind of need to know because I mean, this spiritist group is the first one I've heard about. But I'm in front of it. I don't know who they are. Others out there that I just haven a nerd from yet and I will be hearing from them you know if we want to take the position of this court is not going to be supportive of creating special districts legislatively and then if they want to do that they can still go through TCQ to protect our county roads you can take that position and then see what tack and Jamalson comes up with as far as granting us authority to set speed limits and all the other thing the commissioner Coleman was talking about. I'm thinking that's a pretty good way to go at least for this legislative session. I agree because I mean let's try and absorb the ones we got and then you know we can always reconsider it next session. Now this this spirit is that I spoke with yesterday, he was obviously, they're interested in and they're district created. They tried to do it last legislative session. They acted too late in the session to get it done. Where's it gonna be? Seven billion. Little on the ETJ. Comes right up to 380. But I think even if they got their district created this legislative session with the economy being what it is, I don't think they're ready to build it. No, I mean this is anecdotal, but from what I understand, you get that you have the piece of property, you get the district overlaid on it and then you know the value goes up tremendously and then you deal it to someone. And I mean that's not, it's just like buying a piece of property and changing the zoning. I mean, it's a comment. I mean, it's not a business practice that you fault in. I mean, it's a good business practice. I mean, it's a good way to make money. But I don't know if those fellers are fixing to develop it. And that's kind of like one of the things I talked them about. They said they didn't know if they were going to develop it. Nice but a long time talking to those guys, my mom's and developing in a relationship with them and I liked them because they were honest and said we don't know and I said well that's one of the problems is you know I'm working with you and you've told me all these promises how you don't want your parents farmed to be go this way and the other way and then you turn it to somebody else and you've got this development agreement where it's high density housing and you told me you don't want to do that but you're keeping all your options open and you know you buy it to somebody, sell it to somebody else and they're going to maximize their profit which is what you should do. But I don't you know then I don't have a relationship with whoever you sell it to. I've got the relationship with you and you really can't find those promises that you've made to the new buyers. Well I'm serious I do kind of need a position from the court because I'm going to hear about this again. Every legislative session, three, four or five of these come up. Well they asked me to put it on the agenda and I said no. Be creative about the legislative. And so they asked me if I would. Yeah, I just wanted to see what the president has. Then we just have another district that they can create. And then we are... Well, we got to provide police and fire protection because the people get out there and they aren't in a city, but they want city services. What's the difference? I mean, do we not have to do that if they do it with the TQ EC? No, you don't. To me, it's the difference? I mean, do we not have to do that if they do it with the TQ EC? No, you don't see Q. Yeah, me. It's the road district authority is the big kicker. Well that okay So you get the road district authority, right? Yeah, through the TQC. No, you cannot They won't give it to you Used to be called present. He said just call it. Yeah,Sake. I can never do that. I'm not prepared. I do not know enough about the creation legislatively and through the TQ. TQ? I'm going to tease you, Ron. Just trust me. To make a blanket statement that I would, I can't make that right. But say they can go to the legislator and get it created. Well, that's from saying. I'll pass us. And that's the problem. You can all of us. Let the bills look down to us. Our legislators, Senator Nelson, Senator Anastas, Tan Parker, all of them, every legislative session say, OK, I've got this group. They want to create a special district and whatever precinct. How does the county feel about it? You know, have you talked to the school, heard from the school district, or any city that it's adjacent to? You know, are they setting aside area for schools? And before they agree to carry the bill, I would have to say that our legislators have been very good about calling me to make sure that we have supporting resolutions from these other jurisdictions. And that they are willing to put in the creating legislation that they agree to contract with the county for police and fire protection. Well, how many of the- Well, how many of the- Well, how many of the- Well, how many of the- Well, how many of the- Well, how many of the- Well, how many of the- Well, how many of the- Well, how many of the- Well, if you remember in 07 they came in at the school districts all the adjacent communities were created legislatively. That's why we need to speak. All of them. Pretty much all of them. And not all of them. Not all of them. I think the wickeds may have been done. I think we did. Not all of them have a contract with the contractor for police and fire. And that was the idea. He did the line. I don't believe the one about the county did it. I believe. Yeah, there is a way to create it through the commission's court. Yeah, but I thought that was City County. Not a developer expert, but I've been with the county for about 20 something years while I've watched it. Some of these water districts had the authority when they were early created to create other districts. So there's like one parent water district. They got a me but out. Just look at the Dallas Morning News. He's splitting off. It wasn't or one down. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. Stop that. Wasn't there a Dima County water district in Ellis County? Yeah. Yeah, they what government by developer? Right. Before Senator Nelson got that legislation passed, there were multiple number of freshwater districts that amoeed it off of the parent. There is a Denton County freshwater supply district in Ellis County. And the weird thing, I mean, this is what happened with Spiritus is he said, look you up. We've, you know, I'm done with you. Do you mind if I go get married to put this on the agenda? I said, you can try to do whatever you want. He goes, well, you know, I want, you know, get married to put on there. That mean I'm going to call Mary and say, don't put it on there. Don't vote for it. Or that doesn't mean I'm still not going to go down to Austin and tell the legislature I think that I'm opposed to these completely, but if they're going to do them, I think as a compromise they can go through the TCU. I'll be honest with you. I've had some dealings with the TCU in the past if they try and get it through the TCU. Does it mean I'm not going to try and stop it there either. Because I think they're bad policy. I think it creates a tremendous, and like Andy says, I think there are districts out there that can be in the certain circumstances be good for the community. But I just haven't seen any in the area that I represent. Well, I would just tell you that I would make for y'all to get. That's why I put it on you. Isn't it, Mary? I will. I will. And we're under sighted. I have a collective decision for just hopefully we can have. But I would like it. The court take one position on this. I would make it a lot easier in our legislators So we're certainly going to be Integrated with a lot of subjects this session. No, I think that's fair and I'd like to have been it come in and Do that a presentation at a minimum of spreadsheet of what what do we have existing? It's a tough thing because I can almost argue it either way I mean you don't have to hold off on taking a consensus vote here with what you have here based upon my. This is the second we can December y'all, I think we're okay. Yeah, but they're drafting bills now. We can't put this on. I wanted to, to me, to me guys, I thought if we kind of got all these issues out in the ocean, I have more I wanted to talk about too. But just to kind of, you know, we could at least get it out there and figure that out. Let's put this on the agenda for next week and see how quickly the minute can put together a little spreadsheet and then y'all think about it and talk about it with each other and stuff. And let's see if we can come to a collective decision on this point next week. Okay? I still think they're bad public policy, but I can't really break up another one. Everyone's ill that I'm. Yeah, Commissioner Collins, there's something else that you would have. I had Lisbon. Ron, go ahead. On the one hand, I'll bring up one of my other ones. It'd be another one. I think that we've all stated in one fashion or another what our focus is on transportation, this legislative session, and that is I-35. So is this commissioners court supporting any kind of, that maybe it's too blanket? Any kind of legislation that may ask the legislature through our resolution, is that basically our stand, the resolution that we passed here? Right, I need to say. Much more than it's our stand, we've already got legislation being drafted in support of the public private partnership on I-35, and actually there's two versions that we're trying to come down with one version. And then we need to pass the red version to support that. Well, we've already passed the red version on I-35, but let me finish here. We have Congress and Michael Burgess has done a letter to the chairman of the Transportation Committee in the Texas House and that letter has been signed off on not only by me and Congress some Burgess but all six of our Denton County delegation of reps and senators. So and we also are gaining more and more of a day supporting resolutions from all the cities, Abong the entire corridor and business community. Also, John, what did you want to add to that? Well, that was the resolution you passed for the public hearing was a two-fold resolution. It said we want the project cleared quickly, but then we went in and endorsed the public private partnership and the use of, uh, manage lanes on 35. So that's the resolution that we wanted to use primarily to convince our, our delegation the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the forward to that letter of view. I just got to via email the other day. I'm off for the talk on members here. Was anything else to Mr. March? No, that's okay. Just for a quick leave. Oh, are we gonna have like a, is there gonna be like some sort of tea lot or something like that? Is there gonna be one of those coming out again? Well, there is a statewide organization that's working on transportation issues and I think they're crazy but they're advocating for an increase in the gas tats and I think that's dead on arrival that is just absolutely not going to happen. But they do have another primary focus that has to stop the diversions which I do believe needs to be done and I think our legislators are receptive to that, but anytime you stop the diversions out of fund six, you've got to figure out a way to come up with the money to replace the education. I'm sorry. That's the diversion to education. And DPS. Well, you know, they funds, that's where all the money to fund DPS comes from, is our transportation fund sets. And I saw a deal the other day that said if everybody's motor vehicle registration fee was increased by $30, it would replace what is diverted out of fun sets. Well, I'm not sure they're going to be receptive to doing that, but it is on the table. Well, that started a long time ago, Bob. Actually, even some of it even goes to pay for school buses. Did you know that? Yeah. You do. I mean, I was heads up last night at a party about NTTA filed some bills yesterday, the primacy bill, as well as an administrative bill that they were trying to get done. And the last time, in the last session and NTT a primacy on tolls on tollways I think that I'm going to speak with Colin County and then remember the issue that that we fought last time about the JP's and where they would hold their courts or whatever I was insured that that would not come up in this administrative type of bill that they're trying to read that. I'm not going to do that. Good. That's nice. At the NTTA, I mean, so what's up? I mean, are you aware of anything with the NTTA on privacy, John? What's going on? All of that. It's Colin County. Yeah. It's a column county. Yeah, it's about the column county. Yes sir. You were actually more atorium for CDAs and the Primacy Authority that NTTA currently enjoys expires August 31st. Now you would think okay if the more atorium on CDAs expires August 31st. Now you would think okay if the moratorium on CDAs expires August 31st we're all good to go CDAs pop back in but the authority for CDAs expired prior to the moratorium expiring so there is no CDA authority but the primacy issue expires on August 31st so Hectra, NTTA, all the big toll providers are wanting to maintain that they're saying it's not promised anymore because that's a bad word. They're calling first option. And they want the first option to be to the agency that has the most seniority in the area. So it doesn't matter if you create, they're not saying that Colin County, Toler Authority and Vintin County Toler Authority, which there is no Vintin County Toler Authority. And all these other counties that are creating Toler Authority, they're not saying they can't have Toler Authority, they're just saying that the old dog on the block gets first shot. That's where they're going. And I think RTC saying it pretty much is settled law here with Victor Vandergriff being the new chair and they've done this and being the vice chair. The NTTA has now announced to the RTC that they view themselves not as a policy body to decide what they do, but an implementing body that they will implement to the best of their ability what the Regional Transportation Council says they need them to do. It's a 180. It's a cultural change in TTA. We really, NTTAs waved on 35. We really need them because when in TTA It gets behind an issue it nine times out and nine times passes So we want them on our side on prime on the CDA authority because they want to keep their CDA authority to be primacy issues kind of settle all and There's no need for anything regarding primacy. I Would stay out of that Okay, good. It's primarily in relation to the Coling County toll authority creation. And how did it develop the outer loop? And the cultural shift that Andy was talking about, if this was Paul Wageman, Paul Wageman would just simply lot the head off the snake. Victor Vandergist is a snake farmer. He's working with with Colin County to find a way out of this politely. So I mean, that's all everybody's coon by your own right now. Which is good. All right. Well, I had a general topic somewhere to talk about. Transportation stuff, funding down in Austin. But I didn't know if there was any big bills, anybody was aware of her. There will be one on I-35. I don't have a bill number before you yet, but it's coming. In water districts, okay, in law enforcement. All right, nobody's approached to me about asking for any more courts, but I don't think we should advocate for any more courts, so I just laid it here. What do you think? I totally agree. No. Bobby? So I just laid it here. What do you think? I totally agree Bobby Any more court Andy? No, nobody's approached him about creating the new court. I was Just put that puppy to bed right now. I mean, I just you know, I had like a I didn't have specifics But I just had general things on where they kind of take every day's temper Okay, so we're all kind of agreement on that. Okay, there was, I don't know if you read in the paper about some law enforcement reform regarding consul's in Dallas County. Yeah, I know. FYI, I think there's going to be some legislation coming down regarding that and I didn't know what y'all thought. I mean, any ideas on what they're going to do? I think they're, you know, I'm not sure. I mean, I always thought we've had a good bunch of conspools and I think we've done a good job the way we run our conspools or the way we fund our conspools and the way they run their offices. But I don't know. I was like, I'm like, kind of like you said towards water districts. I'm conflicted either way. You know what I mean? But I thought I was a topic that we needed to talk about. Well, our, I mean, Ron, you may have some of this. Yeah, Michael Truitt is the new legislative director for the JPCA. So he will be, of course, the constables take a position of lobbying against anything that would, I shouldn't say it that way, that take away any authority that they may have. And so I'm sure that my, the hospital true it will be able to bring us in any kind of update of how it would affect the way that they do business. Of course, most of their fights that they have is abolition of their offices and counties where they, you know, and they fight those vigorously throughout the legislative, trying to nominate a word. I understand what they fight it. I mean, it's obviously their job, their livelihood, and our last horse job, at the same time, not a real bad idea, turned it all over to the sheriff and lemonade all those elected positions. It was to say that I'm opposed to that. Sorry, all my kind of constables. I'm probably going to hear about that. I had two more things, that's all. But that's all right, it's a truth. And I'm sorry, I don't know. That's why I wanted it on as a as a workshop as opposed to specific items I just wanted us to talk about the basically seven things and I kind of identified. I thought we're gonna be issues for the county The other thing was I know there's gonna be some hopefully I know there's a couple of bills But there's gonna be some additional bills about the regulatory authority of counties on the county Regulatory are you talking like zoning or yeah, just regulatory authority. Yeah, I didn't know I mean discussion about that but not specifics. I didn't know which I thought about that on one hand I think we need more planning tools in regards to man I would love to be able to regulate while in gas trucks and you know what I mean? That's not gonna happen and because you know they tear up I don't I don't disagree but if you're taking the gas out of Andy's on their disposal all the stuff in my precinct. Is anybody going to be. I mean, Mayor Tamel from Copper Canyon had a lunch and yesterday with the working group which we did for the Barnett Shell pipeline best practices, which we adopted, if you recall, and she had a lunch in yesterday and Lori was an attendants. We all were at the DCTA event and they were working on ways. Best practices not only for the pipeline which we know that worked very well, which was also other best practices for the industry as a whole for here and a lot of industry representatives were there in the cities. And so I think one of the things that came out of that and I'm going to debrief Lori and more fully and the mayors but Was that the cities have regulatory control in their ETJ for oil and gas So that gas wells do not pop up in our jurisdiction right outside their city limits in their ETJ because they have pretty much limited to plating authority which we contract with them to administer the plating process. And so that's I think a common sense approach to kind of start with so that that's one of the things that they were they were mentioning yesterday that it will that'll be part of a broader discussion that's what's what we need to have. For me, I'd much rather have some more of, like really land use planning, but planning regarding the use of, how many, if for instance some entity moved out to the county, that was going to be having to truck every 10 minutes, coming out of their plant, how do we kind of gear some sort of land use planning for stuff like that as opposed to not specific use but you know like when I have an injection well yeah like when I have an injection well that are bringing in water trucks day in and day out 24-7 right on a county road that's kind of what I was thinking but I'm still looking through all this stuff to see what was in and if not I might go talk to some of our legislators and see if they would be willing to at least, you know, carry something like that. I didn't know as a body whether we would be in favor of, you know, some sort of an additional regulatory authority out in the county. Or I know what was neat last legislative session they am. And thanks to Bennett, you know, we did have, we now have building codes for residential structures in the county, which I think is a tremendous improvement. Good thing. Love to, you know, nobody's going to stop a farmer from, you know, that's why you live out in the county is, you know, a lot of agricultural use and stuff that I think people, you know, unfortunately, we have a lot of, I think, urban residents who are moving out to the country and objecting to the, you know, the typical rural uses in the weekend get rid of that. But I think when we start having more industrial or mineral development, we need some more regulatory authority. I don't know how we can get it, but it's a delicate balance in act. That was one of the things I have. And that's fine. If you talk to one of our legislators on that, let me know what transpires I'd be interested to hear. But they're gonna need specifics in order to drive those. Well, that's what I wanted to talk about it with you guys, because I think, you know, there's gotta be some sort of happy middle ground. You know what I mean Andy? I agree. We don't stop what I would think is traditional agriculture or stuff like that, but then more industrial. Part of it's being, part of it is providing consistency and where the public has a clear expectation of how a property and their neighbor is going to develop. I think that's when people live in a municipality and are on the border of a municipality, there's risk in being in the adjacent to the ETJ. And then when less than desirable land use becomes adjacent right there in your backyard, a hundred feet from your house, that's the, it is kind of a no-mainst land and it's unclear to the public as far as what's allowed to be developed in there. So, part of its clarification, so the, so everything is not so much a buyer, beware. What do you think of the, I was seeing the, in the articles you sent with, I guess, Senator Davis, standing full worth, or maybe somebody had thought they would have a model city ordinance for all the cities in the Barneyt shell, so that it would be consistent for people who are in to develop. That's what they're trying to do. I'm working with my mayors to get some copies of that. Do you like that Andy or not? I know you're more involved in that. Which city you would do? I mean, I just had to do what you think the which city you would do. I mean, after passing you, what you think? What city you're talking to. So I've seen a copy of it, but I think there's a kind of like what we did with the Barnett Shell pipeline best practices. We need to have some consistency throughout the region. Right. Not big government. It's not a one size fits all, but when someone, this type of development crosses multi jurisdictions. And so it's fair to the industry to know what they're looking at when they head into a region, a North Texas region. This is what this is consistent. So these are the game, the rules of the game that you're going to have to operate within. So I think that's important, but as far as one model, I don't know. I say I've got cities that get along with the industry and have good practices and relationships with the industry. Some that do not. And so do you know who, which ordinance you'd be looking at. And the judge's office has been gathering sample ordinances from our different didn't county municipalities. Gathering those together so for some consistency so that we can, if we need to do promoting agenda. I kind of had the idea that we could somehow take that idea but make it county-wide kind of like, you know, I don't know if y'all are Dear hunters or not, but if you look at your get your honey license and you look it up, you know by county They tell you whether you're a you know one-butt county a two-butt county something like that and then basically based on that There's set of administrative rules per county And that's kind of what I was thinking if we could do because boy that would really solve instead of administrative rules per county. And that's kind of what I was thinking if we could do. Because boy, that would really solve instead of getting all, I mean, I know you represent 18 cities, and I think I represent 18 cities. And how many cities will we probably have, what, 40 or 50 in the city, in the whole county? 44 in the city? 43. 43 in the county. Getting them all in the same page I think would be difficult so maybe we could like in as much as they regulate you know hunting by county couldn't we regulate all gas development by can and then it would just be applicable all you know everybody have the same regulation well and if you're calling take a look at Senate bill 137 by Wentworth I was just looking at this and it has to do relating to the authority of a county to regulate land development after a local option election But it gets into zoning and stuff so we're gonna need to watch that Let's move on. Okay Yeah, I mean the other one I had just just to shout in the dark, but go ahead. Sorry, Ron, I didn't mean that. And this is more information from me. What type of input do we have in the legislative redistricting process and redistricting? And when will we be approaching that? But they held hearings over the summer in different parts of the state, multiple hearings. I went representing myself, of course, to a hearing where I would go down to Dallas month or so ago, having been through this process a couple times with Jim and stuff. Here again, it's something that I can argue both ways. There's a lot of communities will be like, or a special interest group would be like, you know, well, don't divide us, you know, in your district, you know, we want one, one representative representing our neighborhood or whatever. And then there's others, I've seen that are split and they're kind of happy about it because they feel like they got two people working for them instead of just one. So you can argue that point both ways. Yeah, exactly. you can argue that point both ways. Yeah, exactly. Right. So how does it have it? Well, thank goodness for GPS and GIS, I should say. And so they've got all the voters, you know, mapped out and stuff. And our own GIS department is prepared to get involved in this because once the legislature does all their work then we've got to get into doing that. So that's the process. We wait to the legislature does a very districting thing before we approach. We have to wait because you know, Colin County reorganized, I mean we can redistrict anytime we want. We don't have to do anything. But you don't really want to finalize it. You know, and then. Well that's what I'm trying to get at Mr. Keny-Towney, we don't have to do anything. Glad, yeah, but you don't really want to finalize it. Well, that's what I'm trying to get at consensus. Do we want to work on redistricting after the legislature finalizes what their direction is? Do we want to be proactive? And, you know, personally, I want to handle it within this court. I don't know that in the past, they have had committees or whatever look in it. I don't know that in the past they have had committees or whatever looking it. I personally want to handle it right here. I don't have a problem with that. I think it's, I, one thing that I'd really like to see if we could possibly do it and that is to keep cities, your precinct lines so that you don't have this situation like we did on the wet dry election for hebron and and I think we could let me jump I think we could do it either way, but I think for the ease of administration as far as the elections department because when they have to fit a local smaller precinct into a senatorial district and into a legislative district and a school district. There's that when we draw that the smaller precincts, that's where it gets problematic, which go into our bigger commission of precincts. Because I think if we get those, to get those layers, yeah, to go ahead and get those layers so that Frank could Because it's like just gonna do what they want to do so it'd be easier probably in Frank emails if you disagree But if you're listening, but I think it would probably be easier to go ahead and have that layer on his system and Then come back in and start but I'm laying on top of it I don't think we need to wait for the legislature. Because, you know, the whole redistricting of the legislature, you know, we could get. They could flee the state. That's what I want to say. Sure, we could get you. You know, you're right. I think before we find out, so we could figure out what is our existing numbers, who needs to gain, who needs to lose I mean, do we want to be aggressive in us approaching that? And we're going to wait to February, March. If you have input as to how you would like to see a state, since it's district or state rep district or, you know, just let your legislators know. I mean, I think what we need to get. I'm concerned. That's not ever, I mean, I don't want to be in that. I don't get a dog in that part. I think we ought to get from GIS gets that data too, and I believe they get it from COG and from the Census Department. I think it goes to the COG and they disseminate it, but I'm not mistaken. And the Elections Department will get that. So I think we need to, first thing we need to do is get that, have staff in a timely manner as soon as they get that. They chill and judge. Fill those layers. In the school, she's all up to speed on that. Yeah. And they go ahead and the staff fill those layers in that they know where the households are and the population counts. And then we just go from there. I'm just getting calls from other elected officials within the county. I approached that and I wasn't sure of the process if we had to wait for the legislature to do that, but we can aggressively go after that. Only county did it in the middle of last year, they're in the middle of their year, they knew they were out of sync. I'm for doing it, I mean. Me too. Me too. I guess. Yeah. Me too. Every I guess you but I think it makes more sense to wait for those numbers and have a plan. I just I mean I know we got to get it done. My precincts can get a lot smaller. Well, you know, you know, anything you want to put together on that and send to the court for consideration and we should start talking about it. No problem. I guess we need to figure out. I mean, I haven't even thought about it. Whether we want to committee, we don't want to committee when I do it ourselves. I don't think we need to decide it today. I'd rather us do it ourselves. I agree. That's three. I think we'll help us in the long run. We ultimately have the total face ill on it, but it doesn't hurt for us. I think will help us in the long run. We ultimately have the total face of it, but it doesn't hurt for the citizens, our mayors to get punished. But I'll go either way, I mean, I'm the only one that's addresses on the subject. I'm not married to either one of three of them. I don't know what we did in the past. Well, we had our mayor's involved last time. Well let's, can we continue the posting of this item, not the redistricting, but just the item for, I think we just need to have it on as a standing through the session. Yeah, it's just a couple, did you have anything else I just said there was, I mean this Senate Senate bill 232 is that a proposed Senate bill or Saturday? That's a file so the Senate bill 232 that Senator Nelson filed and I'm glad Peggy Carr Senator this information will just be monitoring this as it goes on I hope take your car if you're listening. I hope you'll love it. The only last thing I know I had a long list and I'm sorry guys, but the only other thing and I was going to get some info from Beth, but I know last legislative session they had some stuff regarding purchasing reform that would allow you to consider more of a price basis when bidding out engineering. I'm willing. Yeah, and I know that the engineering lobby heavily appointed heavily opposed it. But I'm always surprised how we get the bids from the engineers. It's like $1 million. And then we select them based on professional, instead of based on price. And I think we could do a better job of getting some value. We could consider how much they would charge just along with their professional qualifications. I would like could do a better job of getting some value if we could consider how much they would charge us along with their professional qualifications. I would like to do that. I was like a plan. The only other thing that I had for you, I forwarded the Cates or I forward one was this Texas campaign from the environment. I'm not interested in supporting either one of these. I just want to make sure that they're all the same way. How about you? I will give them the bad news and fine. Okay, we'll have this as a standing item on the agenda and we'll just at the conclusion of future commissioners court meetings. So ask if anybody's got something they would like to discuss concerning legislation on that date. And then the only other thing that I would like to point out is under future meetings that swearing in ceremony for elected officials will be Saturday, January 1, 2011, but it