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I'm going to do it. you I'm going to do it. you I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go and the County Commission's Court produced the July 12th is now in session. This morning, an indication of the given by Dr. Bing Burton and our pledges will be led by Scott Auridge, who is Assistant Purchasing Director, will you please stand. What you pray with me, this is the day the Lord has made. We will rejoice and be glad in it. We'd be even glad, or Lord, if there were some rain in our forecast. Lord, we ask Your blessing upon this meeting of the commissioners court. May the words of our heart, whom the words of our mouth and the meditations of our heart be pleasing to You, O Lord, our rock and our redeemer. We ask Your blessing upon this great nation and all who serve it, this nation that still puts its trust in you for Jesus' sake. Amen. of the United States of America and to the Republic or which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. On the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the King and his one state under God, one in indivisible. Thank you, gentlemen. Item one is for public input for items not posted on the agenda. There's any member of the public that would like to address commissioners court. We ask that you please complete a public comment form that available on the side table over here. Which remind everyone also to please turn off your cell phones and pages. We have a lot of guests with us this morning. I want to remind everyone also to please turn off your cell phones and pages. We have a lot of guests with us this morning so we're going to immediately go to item 3A. 3A is a proof of a resolution recognizing Georgia Careways retirement. Georgia, I would like for you to come up to the podium to with these and Commissioner Ease is going to read the resolution. Good morning. This is resolution honoring Georgia Careway for 13 years of service to Ditton County. The Ditton County Commissioner's Court, Ditton County, Texas during a regular session of the 12th day of July 2011, consider the following resolution. Whereas Dr. Georgia Careway, executive director of the Ditton County Museum since February 18, 1998, is retiring on July 15, 2011, after a 13 year career with Ditton County. And whereas working for the preservation of the county's history and artifacts, Georgia helped reestablish the preservation of the county's history and artifacts, Georgia helped reestablish county ownership of the courthouse on the square museum and was instrumental in developing the historical park of Ditton County, including the Bayless Selby House Museum, opened in 2001, and the Ditton County African American Museum opened in 2008. In addition, Georgia has fostered the continued development of the park that eventually will include a welcome center, the Elmrich Church, a windmill, an outhouse, a smokehouse, and a barn. Whereas the museum staff under Georgia's influence, drive and dedication has developed the Ditton County's museums into what are recognized as some of the best small museums in Texas, including the African American Museum, which not only received the 2008 Best Practices Award in Achievement from the Texas Association of Counties, but is one of a handful of museums dedicated to African American history in the nation. In addition, under Georgia's leadership, the two museums at the historical park have received didn't county historic landmark designations. And whereas Georgia has been an unwavering fundraiser for the museums seeking donations of artifacts and money to support various exhibits and building projects throughout the years through various projects such as raffles, Books, and Postcard Sales, pennies for progress gathered from local school children for the restoration of the Quaker Town House into the DCAM, as well as raising funds and historic awareness during lunch with friends, board meetings and commissioners' courts, and evening gatherings across the county. Whereas already a published author before coming to work for the county, Georgia has co-authored three books for the Images of America History Series, including Ditten in 2009, Postcard History, Ditten County, 2010, and Ditten, Ditten now, 2011. Whereas Georgia has been a mentor to small museums across the state as an active member of the Texas Association of Museums Collection Managers Committee, TAM, Small Museum Affinity Group, TAM, Counselor at large, and former chairman of the North East Texas Museum Association. Now therefore, a bit resolved that Ditton County Commissioner's Court does, hereby extend to Georgia Careway its sincere and grateful appreciation for her dedicated service to Ditton County. We congratulate Georgia on her well earned retirement and offer our best wishes to her for continued success, happiness and good health and all she does in the future. Now move for approval. and all she does in the future. Now move for approval. Motion by Commissioner Ead, seconded by Commissioner Mitchell, on favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, Cine? Motion does carry an amously. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. George, you need to turn around. We have some pictures taken going on here. Okay. I need my posse. Sure. Come on up your posse. Those people bring their families to see. Sure. Sure. If you'd like to come over right in front of the van. Okay. Come on over here. So, if you want to come up here if that's a better picture, you're welcome to do so. Yeah, I think you might be a little close closer. Why don't you come on up here? Come on up here Sure I gotta save this historic event Okay I'm going to go to the next one. Okay, one more. Here we go. Everybody's looking the same direction. I'm going to have to go to the next one. Can I come up to? I think that's enough. I think that's enough. I think that's enough. I just want to give everybody an opportunity. That's it. I'm a person with you. Okay. I've always taken the opportunity to address this court. And so, of course, today I'm going to take advantage that, again, you know that it's been my honor and my pleasure to serve Denton County as the executive director of the museums. 13 years ago, we were in a battle to save and protect the county's history. It took a very courageous commissioner's court. The stand beside the citizens of the county to fight that battle in we won. Those were very difficult times back then but there were a lot of dedicated people who got involved especially the Denton County Historical Commission and the Museum Committee some of whom have been with me the entire 13 years. I would be remiss and not mentioning Neeta Watkins, the museum chair. This resolution is partly hers as she is retiring on the 15th as well after more than 17 years working tirelessly for the museums. It took a community of county workers and the amazing generosity of donors who gave more than a million dollars over those 13 years. Volunteers who gave thousands of hours to our cause, the city of Denton who partnered with us through hotel occupancy tax of more than a million dollars and an incredibly dedicated museum staff. Kim was a new college graduate when she interviewed for her job 13 years ago. I remember it as if it were yesterday. When Dr. Huey and I interviewed Kim, Dr. Huey asked her what brought her to the museum field. Kim said she wasn't exactly sure, but she had had an epiphany. When she said that word, I knew I was hiring. I had wished at the time when I was being interviewed that I had said that, but for me it was more of a calling. Literally, from Peggy Caps, Markle and Nelson, Fred Patterson, and Dawn Alexander. They said the museums needed help. Would I be willing to interview for the director's position? When I filled out the job application and met Amy, she asked, are you sure you want this job? I think so. We've joking about that ever since. Kim has developed since then into one of the finest museum curators in the state. Her collections management policy is one that the Texas Historical Commission uses as its example as one that museums should follow. It's through Kim's efforts that the Denton County museums are a state curatorial facility, something unheard of for a small museum. Robin Lee just celebrated her ten years with us as well as manager of the historical park and she has done a phenomenal job. I assure you no one has loved or taken care of the Bayless Shelby and the African American Museum as well as Robin. How blessed I am to have her as a member of my staff, but more as a dear faithful and beloved friend. Gradle LaRue has shown a dedication to the school children of the county that is amazing. She visited with more than 4,000 kids in an eight-month period this year. I know you appreciate how important it is for those students to have an introduction to the counties museum and our history and it's Gretel that brings that history to life and of course Roslyn Roslyn Shelton has been my colleague for the entire 13 years as well. I appreciate her loyalty and her friendship to me and her dedication to the Historical Commission and the museums. When I came to work that first day, February the 18th, 1998, I was naturally concerned about what was facing me on the job. What most of you don't know is that my husband Bob was diagnosed that morning after I came to work with a recurrence of cancer. A battle we would fight together for the next ten years and then he won. He said to me, I went to Don Alexander that afternoon, and I told him what had happened. And he said to me, debt in county is now part of your family. Will do anything for you to see you through this. He was right. This was my family for the past 13 years and I truly was blessed for the experience. I'm leaving the museums in good hands. With the staff, Renelle is head of the Historical Commission, a very dedicated Denton County Historical Commission and a commissioners court who cares about the museums and has the courage and interest to take care of them. Thank you for all the wonderful memories and I cherish every one of them. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hold on, Georgia. Georgia, come back. I completed the resolution that we just read in court. Express our appreciation and happy retirement. Thank you very much. Thank you. Oh, I'm doing. Oh, I like it. Oh, my gosh. OK. Thank you all for being here this morning. I know George I I appreciate your being here for this historic event in Denton County Thank you Did you want to make an announcement about the retirement party or Renelle she's already gone out Thank you On Friday afternoon Thank you. On Friday afternoon from 4 to 6 at the Good Samaritan Retirement Community on Hinkle Drive, just north of University, there will be a reception in Georgia's honor and we hope all of you will come bring your friends and say thank you to Georgia. There will be an opportunity for you to write a comment if you'd like to for her and express your appreciation. It's been a great 13 years and we hope you'll all come to honor Georgia on Friday afternoon. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay. Members, item two in the consent agenda is the consent agenda. Are there items on the consent agenda you need to pull for discussion Or do we have a motion for approval? We move for approval. We have motion make commissioner Eans Check it second and by commissioner Marchant here. No discussion all in favor. Please say aye aye Opposed to name motion this carry consent agenda today consists of twoA which is approval of the order making appointments We have a new hire in planning two new hires in the county jail and a re hire in juvenile post-judication 2d is approval of the intro department of transfers 2c is approval of budget amendment request 101 200 for contract labor for county wide technology in the amount of for contract labor for county wide technology. In the amount of $63,911, 2D is approval of budget amendment requests 101, 220 for training and education for county clerk in the amount of $4,500. 2E is approval of building use requests from Kerry Bowman for the use of the courthouse on the square lawn on Saturday, July 16, 2011 from 630 to 830, for the purpose of the musical concert. Okay, 5A is approval of the bill report payments from CSED, Community Corrections TAIP, Shares Training Shares, Profeature, VIT Interest, DA Check, Fee, and DA Profeature Funds are all presented for recording purposes. Only good morning, James Wells, and welcome back. Morning, Judge and commissioners. I'd ask approval of the bills as presented with the two additions at our detailed on separate page ones. And they just are needed to ensure timely payment. It's all corrections I have. Thank you. Any questions or members of the court? Did we have a motion? Assembly. Second. Motion by Commissioner Marchant. Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. All in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, Cine? Motion does carry. Seven A's approval of Budget Amendment request 101-210 for computer wiring for countywide technology in the amount of $865. Motion to approve. Motion by Commissioner Marchant. Seconded by Commissioner Coleman. Any questions on favor please say aye. Aye. Post and e. Motion does carry. 10A is approval of one that's schematic design package for the Rodenbridge East facility presented by CHA and recommended by the Denkani construction manager Michael Tuyolo to authorization to proceed forward with the design development stage of the project. Good morning Michael. Good morning Judge, good morning commissioners. We don't have a formal presentation. We did a presentation about a month ago of this project, and we're just the next step along that line. And your packet is the site plan and the floor plans for the project. The next phase is to get into the details, and that's where we're at now. There's also a very detailed estimate, cost estimate, we're right in line with where we need to be. So if Brad is Bell with CHAs here also, if you have any questions for him or myself, we can answer those for you. Thank you. Do we have comments? Yes. If y'all checked out the schematic design, I was going to tell you what page that was, but I think it's on there. Page 67. You'll see that we reserve the front part of the facility, which is roughly four acres for potential for future use in case we ever need a facility in Sanger. They reduce the size of the detention basin to a lot. It's going to be a lot deeper, which will so it'll cover less surface area. And it's shaping up to be a good facility that's been long needed. So we've tried to be zealous of our county resources and thank to the future, which is, if you look at a map, you'll see that this portion of the county is gonna be the, probably the last portion of the county that'll develop and it currently has a tremendous amount of county reps. So it's a good location and I think we're planning it well and planning for future use and Mike you know thank you for your hard work on this. I know he's dedicated a lot of his resources to giving us some good directions. Thank you. I'll move for approval. Thank you. We have a motion by Commissioner. I'll seconded by Commissioner Marchant. Are there further questions or comments? Staff probably can't believe it. for approval. Thank you. We have a motion by commission. Seconded by commission or marchin. Are there further questions or comments? Staff probably can't believe it. What's that? Staff probably can't believe it. Yeah. No, they can't. I'll in favor of the motion. Please say aye. Aye. Opposed, any motion? That's carried. Thank you, Michael. 12 a.m. is approval of the renewal agreement for the Dean kind of sheriff's office to participate in the state of Texas 1033 surplus property program. We have motion by Commissioner Mitchell, seconded by Commissioner Eads, other questions? Very none all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Oppositing, please say aye. Aye. Opposed to the Senate? Motion is carried. 13A is approval of the appointment of Violet Sparks to the Dink County Historical Commission. Cheryl Samu. Seconded by Commissioner Eads. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed to the Senate? Motion is carried. 13B is approval of theLadette County redistricting. 2011. Number one is redistricting the County Commissioner Persings to potential redistricting of justice to the Peace and Council of Persings and three splitting real-line voter precincts as needed and for appointment to a discussion of recommendations of the 2011 citizen redistricting committee. We have Kate Copeland with us this morning. Good morning, Kate. Judge and commissioners. How are you all this morning? Very good. Very good. But let me, while I'm thinking about, excuse me for interrupting, I believe I read in the paper there was some reference to a public hearing concerning redistricting and I totally agree with you. The committee is the public that we have selected to make a recommendation to this body, but I want it known that there won't be a separate so-called public hearing. Every Commissioner Court meeting has a public comment section as we did today and try to morn on our agenda every time. So if any member of the public would like to address commissioners court and give us input on what they think should or should not be done or included, I want to make sure they know that they're welcome to come address us in any meeting that doesn't have to be a specified meeting. Thank you for clarifying that, Judge. The report from our meeting on the redistricting committee meeting on July 6th. The redistricting committee met on July 6th, 2011, with all in attendance with the exception of Gary Dugan, who was with us. Oh, thank you. I get those G names mixed up. I'm sorry, thank you, Commissioner. I'm probably going to make that same mistake again through here. Who is with us via phone hookup? John Felt gave us information about commissioners precincts, county roads within the districts, the brief history of road and bridge locations and maintenance barn locations. Members began to express ideas of changes to the commissioners proposed map. Diane Edmondson expressed opposition to splitting Corinth because she felt that would be splitting the community and communities of interest. Ronnie Kate felt her argument was not valid, citing Louisville with three commissioners precincts and flower mound with two commissioners precincts currently. There was some interest in the following scenarios. And I know you all have this in front of you, but the committee wanted it read into the rest. Sure, that's true. Voter precinct 118, shady shores, took a mission of precinct 3 from commissioners precinct 1. Voting precinct 224, Castle Hills, took a mission of precinct 3 from commissioners precinct 224, Castle Hills, took Commissioner precinct 3 from Commissioner precinct 2. Voter precinct 130, O'P� and Lakewood Village from Commissioner precinct 3, two Commissioner precinct 3, from Commissioner precinct 1. Voter precinct 406, from Commissioner precinct 4, took Commissioner precinct 1. Voter precinct 103 Boliver to Commissioner precinct four from Commissioner precinct one All current voting precincts 108 127 129 and 136 out of Commissioner precinct one and putting all of it in Commissioner precinct 3 I Believe those it would give real heartburn to some of you were withdrawn. At the end of the night, the committee had five maps to present to the court. They are designated alternate plans, A, B1, B2, C, and D. The starting point was the map we were given, which was unanimously approved by the commissioners on June 28th, 2011. I have a listing of each of the plans with the voting present changes. It was suggested at our meeting that I read those proposed changes into the record, which I've just that. Well, plan A, add voting precinct. Do you want to show those? Do you want, right, do you want to look at them as okay? I'm good. I add voter precinct 108, 127, 129 to commissioners precinct three and move all of voting precinct 136, current to Commissioner precinct 3, which would put all of current into Commissioner precinct 3. Take out voting precinct 107, Lake Dallas, and move to Commissioner precinct 1. Plan B1, voting precinct 424, flower mound to Commissioner precinct 3 from Commissioner precinct 4. Move half of voting precinct 224, Louisville, to Commissioner precinct 3 from Commissioner precinct 2. Plan B2. Move all of voter precinct 424, flower mound, to Commissioner precinct 3 from Commissioner precinct 4. No change in voting precinct 136, which is current. Plan C, move voting precinct 424, flower mound, to Commissioner precinct 3 from Commissioner precinct 4. vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for the vote for Plan D. Voting precinct 136, current, goes back to Commissioner Precinct 1. Divide Voting precinct 130 into Voting precinct 130.4, Oak Point and Lakewood Village, and put it into Commissioner Precinct 3. Add Voting precinct 130.3, little M from Commissioner precinct 1 to Commissioner precinct 2, which would put virtually all of little M in Commissioner precinct 1. Access would be gained via the toll bridge. It's obvious the court did a good job on the map they provided us to work with since it had the unanimous approval of the court and since we have provided five alternative maps it's evident there was no clear consensus on the committee. This concludes the report of the committee for the July 6th meeting. Do you want to talk about it? You want me to go straight on to last night's meeting. Do you want to talk about it? You want me to go straight on to last night's meeting. Members, what's your opinion? Go ahead. Okay. The committee met last night, I'll let just a minute, let me see, but you tell me the same. Oh, I got his name right on this one. The committee met last night to take up JP and Constable redistricting. There were only 11 of the 15 members present. Phyllis Walper was not present due to a death in her family. Ronnie Cade was absent. Greg Dugan and Leanne Kelly were to join us via phone hookup. Greg joined us but we were unable to reach Leanne. However before the meeting began, Richard Hayes stated according to Robert's rules members needed to be present to vote. They could listen in and comment, but not vote since they could not see the maps and would not be able to make an intelligent informed vote. After discussion, there was a motion to allow the members to call in and participate but to not vote. The motion carried six to five. We informed Greg, who was on the phone with us, and he chose to listen in without a vote. We were not able to reach Liam. The members wanted the court informed of our action. John Felt spoke about JPM Constable Redistricting Workloads Staphing, et cetera. Judge D. Piazza, which I'm probably missing for announcing his name, administrative judge for the JPs gave a brief outline of what the JPs and constables had done up to now about redistricting. In March, when they thought they were supposed to consider districts according to population, they put a lot of time into drawing districts to comply with that idea. All the JPs and constables agreed to a newly drawn map. Last week when they realized population was not the main consideration, they decided to go with the districts as they now stand. All of them were in agreement except two who wanted the map drawn earlier this year to be considered. They would agree to the districts as they now stand but they thought it was only right to consider drawing new districts reflecting the increase in population in the county. It was stated several times that the JPs and constables would have been happy with the lines as they were until they were told they should consider population at which time they began to work on the new map. Judge Holland, precinct 2, was present along with constables Truett, precinct 2, and Smith, precinct 6. There were many questions in much discussion with the office holders and among the committee members after the office holders left There was a motion made by Richard Hayes Seconded by Tim Hoey to adjust the JP and Constable lines based roughly on population and present the map Presented by Constable Truett to the commissioners court the motion motion carried 9 to 2. The meeting adjourned. We have completed two of the three tasks assigned and will take up the third, splitting, and our combining voting precincts at the next meeting on Monday evening July 18th at the Carroll Courts Building. I think I can speak for the entire committee in thanking you for allowing us to participate in this redistricting and to serve you. I hope we have been of some help to the court as you complete your job of redistricting. I think the expression of gratitude needs to come from this direction to you all. When you've done the young and task care of analyzing all this and We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. Jack, I agree here who is our vice chair. Thank you, Jan. All right, members, how do you wish to proceed? Here he came in, I don't know, if he needs to fill out a comment form or something, but are you here regarding this? Did you wish to come into members of the court? Come on up Good morning. Thank you for being here. We were invited mayor. I would invite man also Well, I saw that this was on the agenda and I thought it was a pretty important to our city Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak here and important to our city. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak here and my point will be brief. I see some of the proposals are to split the city of Corinth into two air into two different commission or districts. And I'm just appealing to the court to please try and keep us together. If we're split, we're already a pretty small city and if we have a dent into the north and a low spill to the south and I'm concerned that the southern part of Corinth will be a very small portion of that commissioner's district that it may get overlooked at times. I would really like to stay with precinct number one and have the entire city maintain it as one in one commissioner district. Yes, so you wouldn't like for it to be split and you prefer to have commission of precinct one have that entire current. Is that what you're saying? That is correct. You don't want me as your commissioner. I would love to have you as my commissioner. I would love to have you as my commissioner. I decided to take the entire precinct. Is that what you're saying? That is correct. You don't want me as your commissioner, even if I can't even have a decision. I'm not going to have you as my commissioner. I'm not going to have you as my commissioner. I'm not going to have you as my commissioner. I'm not going to have you as my commissioner. I'm not going to have you as my commissioner. I'm not going to have you as my commissioner. I'm not going to have you as my commissioner. number one and have us remain a whole city. Can't always count on Commissioner Mitchell to be in that seat. I know she take care of us too, but I just think it makes the most sense for us to be part of the Denton area, which I think we're more geographically and culturally close to rather than the cities on the sub-inside of the lake. Thank you for your input. Are there any questions from members of the court comments? Okay. Members, how do you wish to proceed? I think we have a map last time, Judge, that we had all agreed on Proposed plan A as the committee suggested is that not identical to the one that we proposed to the committee initially am I thinking correctly? It's pretty close anyway. Yeah, I don't think any of the maps that she printed out and gave to us Initially are the ones that were closed. That plan E is pretty close, isn't it? Yeah, the plan A is close. Alternate A, there's alternate A and then B1, B2, C, and D, and then there's the proposed, which is what the court proposed. A, alternate A is where you keep a current whole, but it's just in a different commission of precinct. That's what your question is. I don't think plan A is like the plan that was proposed by the court. It's not. It's not. It's closed, but not exactly. Alternate A. It's not even close to the plan. I don't think, I think plan B, the iterations of B are fairly close to the ones that were proposed by the court. Plan A gives all of Corinth to precinct. Three. Well, we've got a B1 and B2, which we may have. Rachel, do you have what came out of the court? I'm having a paper But do you have it on a computer where we could see it on the screen? Yeah, I have it. I have my maplich came out of cool it Pulling it out And I mean it just addressed the mayor ofts comments about taking care of a particular precinct for over 25 years a commissioner in precinct one has had precincts in the city of Louisville and I don't know did you take care of Louisville here? I tried. It was having representing 18 cities. It was you know I don't know. Did you take care of Lewisville here? I tried. It was having representing 18 cities. It was, you know, one of the things I thought was interesting. I mean, it's not Lewisville that we should be talking about, or more stuff like the city of the colony. I just asked you a question. And we also had pre-sync, one of the pre-syncs in the colony was that you had, was split too. So this is not anything unusual. Flareman was split 10 years ago, Louisville right now, not only have two commissioners, they have three commissioners. So saying that they won't get taken care of, I think you should check with the three cities that I now represent. Flareman, Holland, Village, and Louisville, and ask them if I take care of them. I've never not taken care of my cities. And you know, being a hundred dogs myself, I make sure that anything that I represent and anything I do is taken care of because I know how it feels to not be taken care of and not be wanted. So you can, I can assure you that if I am we vote on my taken current it will be taken care of and like you say it since you can't count on me being in the seat forever I can't count on you being mayor forever and so that may change also. So you know we have to work with each other to achieve the goal that the citizens need not what we personally think but make sure we take care of the citizens and that's my goal is to take care of the citizens in Den County, preferably precinct three. Whichever citizen is there, no matter who they are, they will be taken care of. Mayor respond please. I believe Commissioner Eadz asked to comment and then I'll be glad to call a new Commissioner calling. I think it's important to note that Commissioner Mitchell represents three cities currently and of those three cities two of those are shared with other commissioners. She and I share a flower mound together and I know with Commissioner Coleman and March and she does share Louisville. I don't see a real disadvantage in having multiple commissioners represent a municipality. Just like Commissioner Coleman and I went and met with Mayor Burrows at last week about issues that were important to the county and important to the city. I didn't. Commissioner Mitchell and I had that very exact same practice that we operate with Flower Mound. And those larger cities will require a lot of resources in time and financial resources and so having them have balance among the court and extra advocates. I truly don't see that as a disadvantage, as someone who's operated under that scenario. With two other cities, Mayor, I just honestly, and I've seen it work. I just don't see that as a true disadvantage. If you had Commissioner Mitchell representing your district, you would be one of six cities in my right. You'd be one of six cities that she would have time and attention for versus your current scenario, which is one of 18. So if you're talking about time and love and attention, personally, I'd rather be one of six instead of one of 18 and that's what the part of the scenario that we're looking at today outlines. Commissioner Cohn. Commissioner Mitchell I'm going to take your comments in the spirit list they are offered but I'll tell you this. Any time I've done stuff with Louisville, you wanted to know what's going on there. Be in the previous mayor. We've talked about projects in Old Town that you wanted to be involved in heavily, okay? I have deferred to your interest given the fact that you have a particular expertise for that area. You've been a zealous advocate for the city of Louisville. You successfully made sure that all of Louisville happens to be in your precinct for the first time in a long time. That's because you wanted it that way. From the time you got elected, you still are telling me that you didn't want Old Town, Louisville. I said, OK, I'll take it. Bobby, I think actually it's one of those things it was mutual. I think you said you want it. I don't think I don't do not have that. I think. Okay. Now my point is, is that you said you wanted it and I said, I think it's good to give it to you because I've always said it's a good idea to have communities of interest represented by the same commissioner. Now what I think is I think what's ironic is that it's okay for all the city of Louisville to be represented by one commissioner and you've successfully advocated for that but it's not yes you have yes you have and what you do now is it's not okay for the small cities to be split up I will be very honest and tell you that I have really had very little contact with the city of the colony. Mainly because Commissioner Mershant represents the vast majority of it. Now when it's been, when Ron has needed my help was something in the city of the colony. I've been willing to engage them and help them. But he's been the primary contact for the city of the colony because he is the great, I mean he represents the great portion of it. The same thing with the same thing with Lewisville because I've been trying to I try very hard to get along with you regarding the city of the Lewisville and you as their former mayor have a you know, you have a deep affinity for that area and And in the spirit of trying to get along, I've tremendously deferred to your influence on that area. I don't understand why it's okay for you now to represent all of Louisville. And I think as a matter of policy, we need to pretty much keep communities of interest together that it's okay for one portion of the county, but it's not okay for another portion of the county. One of the reasons- Could you give all down loose. You'll if you'd like I Don't think I can I don't think I can I have to lose 70,000 and you know what Bobby You kept no Bobby you kept telling me last time that I need to open up my wallet I need to open up my wallet that was fairly offensive I'm gonna tell you today you got to open up your person takes some stuff you don't want You just don't get to take stuff you get that you want. You tell me to keep opening up my wallet. I have agreed to everything from the beginning. Now, you kept telling me I needed to open up my wallet. Okay, wait a minute. From the beginning to you. Which was not. This court has agreed to take whatever you gonna give except you wanna send me way across the lake to a point and like with village which doesn't make any sense. You want to pick and choose who and where you want to represent. You ran for office for the entire precinct one city. I'd be willing to represent it all again. But I have to leave. But now you've decided because you've made some of a man that you don't want those cities like Hickory Creek that you don't want those cities. Somebody else needs to take those cities because I don't want those cities like Hickory Creek, that you don't want those cities. So somebody else needs to take those cities because I don't want them. I'll take Hickory Creek. I'll take Hickory Creek. Hey, members, we're gonna... If you want to take, okay, let's go. Hold it, hold it. And besides, one, Ryan Hatch and Hans Potter, let's go too. So don't say I still have all the loose control members we need to do this I'd be glad to let everybody have an opportunity to speak that we need to do it one at a time all right my point is I'd be more than willing if we could like the JPs and constables just to proceed with our president districts okay commissioner but unfortunately that's not the case all right commissioner Coleman if you're done no I like I like to speak next so and I'd like to say, the original plan that was proposed by the commissioners seemed like a fair and equitable compromise. The problem was, Commissioner Mitchell, is the numbers didn't work on that plan. If you just took a below 2181 in Corinth, the numbers didn't work. Gotcha. So we had to decide at that point what kind of compromise we were going Hello, 2181 in Corinth. The numbers didn't work. So we had to decide at that point what kind of compromise we were gonna have. I had suggested a long time ago that we needed to start with doing stuff regarding the voting precincts. That way we could shave them to make things fit. For instance, just like I think perhaps Commissioner Mershant want to take a small portion of little lamb on the other on that little oak point peninsula. I don't think he needs to take any part of the unincorporated area because logistically he's not, I don't think he's prepared, I don't want to give him another rodent bridge crew, okay? But I think it's a good idea to have him represent all of Littelheim. But that would mean we'd have to shave the precinct to have that fit in because it's in a completely different precinct. Now I think it's probably unfair to make Commissioner Murchant represent that whole precinct which would include unincorporated area. But we need to be, in my my opinion maybe shave the little portion of little L and to that portion across the lake. That way there would be everybody in a community of interest. Trying to put this together with the jigsaw puzzle we have is problematic and it's evidenced by the original plan that we passed because we all agreed on that but the numbers didn't work. There's also principles that we need to consider when we approve this. Andy, I mean, Andy, commissioner, each needs to be low. I need to be low. Commissioner Mashaunton, Commissioner Mitchell need to be high because everybody's gonna grow, but we could probably all agree that we're gonna grow at a higher amount. So those areas that have areas for growth probably need to be left on the low side. Given that, I'm going to probably going to have to give up a lot of stuff that I don't want to give up. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I've made a simple request that I would like to keep as much as possible around my house, which is Corinth and Southern Denton. How much do you live in Denton? I live in Denton, South Denton, which neighbors Corinth. Yeah. You live in Denton? And we're a comment. OK, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Commissioner Coleman, if you're done, Commissioner Marchin has asked to speak next. The Commissioner needs. I'm going to go back and address the multiple commissioners within the city. I want to make sure that everybody understands with what has been proposed by this court as well as some of the scenarios that were proposed within the committee. It places a couple of new precincts within little realm that I would pick up, which would, in essence, divide that community up, which used to be wholly represented by one commissioner. Believe me, I would not agree to that if I thought that in any way that me being there or whoever would be in Commissioner precinct to being there would diminish any service And you and I have talked about that that it would diminish any any way any service that the community that the county provides to a community to begin with. And so I feel pretty good about that. I think that what we were trying to achieve through our proposed map, now there are two versions of that proposed that I want to bring everybody back to. And one of the reasons why probably they didn't work on the last proposed, I think Hugh and Bobby, all of us we talked about initially taking the entire 136 precinct out of Corinth. And if we did that, the numbers would work. Then we progressed or digressed depending on what side you're on to a boundary that split the precinct in half based upon I think a roadway. And when we did that, that's when the numbers didn't work. Am I correct? Okay, so. So, I don't know that I totally understand the argument of splitting the community because there's so many other communities that are split already. And, and, and agreed. There was one precinct in the colony that you continues to represent. And I haven't seen any diminished capacity on his part of representing that because he differs to me. And I keep him in the loop on it and I would be picking that up as a continuation of that. I have faith in every one of the commissioners here that no matter who they represent and what they represent, that they'll represent in the best ability that they can because we are charged by the people by our mere election to do our job and do it to the best of our ability. Okay, Commissioner Eads has asked to speak this. I'm looking back on precinct four and I don't know if the fear of having multiple commissioners represent single cities, if it's a fear of deluding representation or electability from someone from that city to be elected to Commissioner's Court. But I live in Flower Mound, have been elected from Flower Mound and Flower Mound has been split for 10 years. Commissioner Carter, who preceded me, represented the court for eight years from one of the smallest cities, although Denton was in this precinct in Flower Mound and these other cities. He was even opposed by someone from Flower Mound previous, and he's still one and he was from Trophy Club, which is a small city, only has two precincts. And Don Hill was before him and again, back to a big city that was split, had a representation on the court and he lived here and did. And so I think it goes to show that even small cities can be represented, although they have big powerhouse, cities in a commissioner precinct, and split cities can be represented. And they had the opportunity to elect representation and direct representatives from Thursday. And just like Commissioner Coleman lives in the city of Ditton. And he has actually the minority part of Ditton as far as population goes as the numbers go. He represents less of Ditton than even I do and he was in a lives here and was able to be elected. And I live in Flower Mound and represent a city that is split. So I think yet two examples. Commissioner Mitchell lives in the city that is split. So I think you get two examples. Commissioner Mitchell lives in the city that is split. And then Ron, you have, you live in, not only is Carlton split, but, you're split with a county, you share with Dallas County. So I think even looking at the composition of this court, currently all four of us are representing local municipalities that are split. So I do not think it dilutes your electability or the true political voice of any one municipality. And then it's evidenced by four out of five cases on the court today. Who wants to speak next? The only thing I can say is I think a lot of these problems that we have could be solved by shaving down some of the voting precincts to make our jigsaw puzzle fit as opposed to be wedded to putting it together with the current voting precincts. I think if you can't fix the puzzle you need to change the pieces and I think that we could solve some of these problems that we have. That's to me. I mean I mean mean, Commissioner Meshant, I don't want anybody. I don't want Bobby or Ron taking unincorporated areas because that's unfair, right? But if there's a little portion of little on the other side of that little, whatever that tributary of the Trinity, I think, you know, we could have voting issues and other things solved by just shaving that in, including it in one of the other precincts. And there's several instances regarding stuff like that all over the county. For instance, there's a portion of Little Lone that's in Frisco ISD. And so you're going to have one voting precinct that has Frisco ISD and Littelheim ISD in the same precinct. Down here on 1.31, which I think we're going to solve, is there's a precinct that has Lewisville ISD and Frisco ISD, but they're both in the city of Frisco. That's one that we can split up. If you look at precinct 406, there was a lot of ETJ left between Shady Shores and the City of Denton, but now the City of Denton is crept into Shady Shores. That precinct probably needs to be shaved to include the City of Denton and have the precinct probably needs to be shaved to include the city of Den and have the precinct for shady shores reduced. I think if we do that a lot of those those are just certain instances I can think of off the top of my head. I think if we do that and shape some of the voting precincts, we will be have a better way of making our puzzle be built. Please do be down last part. will be have a better way of making our puzzle be built. Please would be down. One more time. OK. Parts of like, are you talking about 406 or just the theory in general? It's the theory in general. I think if we go down to the voting precincts and alter them in some of them turn them into smaller pieces, that we will then have another set of pieces to put together to form our puzzle. The way that we have things formed right now, it's going to be very difficult to put together a four precincts where we have two under and two over. Even if you look at the proposed plans we have now, even the one that was proposed by the court that I approved, I'm still going to be very high on population, which at some point is going to force us to do redistricting again before the end of the decade. I think we need to look prospectively and figure, okay, common sense would say that precinct form, precinct one are gonna grow faster than precinct two and precinct three, so we need to have those, the one and four be on the bottom side of the curve, and two and three on the top side of the curve. And if we go through and shave a lot of these and give us some different pieces, I think we can fit stuff in. In the manner that would be in the general consensus of the court that we gave them. I need to be the mission of the guidelines. Because we gave guidelines and I'm not hoping that they would take those guidelines and then shave the precincts to fit it. Please don't say that you need to protect me from unincoperated areas because I'm a big girl and I don't need that you need to protect me from unincorporated areas because I'm a big girl and I don't need your protection. You and I agree on going to essentialized road bridge so if we all agree as a consensus that we can go to that we then can give precincts two and four unincorporated or two and three unincorporated areas. I'm not sure I agree with anything you're saying Commissioner Coleman. Okay hold it. I'm done. Commissioner E. You're saying Commissioner Coleman. Okay, hold it. Commissioner Eads has asked to speak next and then I've got a question. Commissioner Eads. I think there's been a lot of passion this morning and I understand that. But I think if we look back to the original plan that we proposed, I guess it was last week or the week before, feels like last year. It was reaching compromise among members of the court and there was widespread agreement and I think we need to focus on that again instead of focus on one precinct. How many precincts are in the county, Rachel? Voter precincts? Voter precincts? 127? 20, Rachel. Voter precincts. Voter precincts. 127. There's 127 voter precincts. And if we have a 100 and we have agreement on 126, I think that's pretty good. Think about it. 126 out of 127. I think that's reaching agreement on that is very admirable that we've reached agreement on that. I think we have tried to keep, can you pull that map back up somebody? Turn that computer back on. I think there has been widespread agreement between the commissioners about what they wanted to release and what was acceptable's changed, it's viewed, changed, as few people as possible, except where it absolutely makes sense from a numerical standpoint. If you, the perfect scenario as far as the numbers go to be quite honest, is the alternative A, which would keep all of current together in a new commissioner precinct, you'd keep your three out of your four like cities together under one Commissioner precinct. And commissioners one and four would be low. You have one of the eight men. That is alternate. I mean, I'm not advocating for that right now, but I'm just saying there are alternative ways to look at this to reach numbers there. And so that would keep this city intact that would keep, I don't think that map is right. That map is not right. That map is not right. Because it has lake Dallas and Hickory Creek in one and three. But so I'm saying there's different ways to look at that and you would have one and four beyond the low side, two and three would be on the high side and the city would be in its entirety. So I don't hear anyone really advocating for that right now but there is a way to make those numbers work in a sound like people would be. Well the mayor said he wanted precinct one to be his commissioner. Right. So since I don't, I'm not precinct one commissioner. I don't think that will work. Right. I think that comments on productive commission. But I remember when we sent this to the committee, we sent them this is our desire, this is our wishlist, this is our best stab at this. And I think we did agree that we might need to do some shaving. I don't think that those lines were ironclad when we sent them to them. We said, you know what, look at this. We might need to tweak, so Commissioner Coleman, your desire or notion to have us tweak things and look at things. That's exactly what we, you're not alone in that. The court agreed as a whole that the committee, we would authorize the committee to look at that. And I believe that's the next item on the agenda is to do that. So with that being said, I will move for approval for the proposed plan. And I'm going to make one revision to 136 and that it continue to the. to the property bound. Boundary for 136 go straight across and take the bottom part of a precinct 141, which is the, which is south of 2081. I don't believe there's any residents there streets. It's great. I don't think there's there's nothing shown on the map there. I think that's flood playing that's light property. Core. You have to show a ratio of what you're talking about. Which map is this? Mr. Ead switch map is that? This is just the existing map. Or the map I'm holding or the map I'm talking about. The map you're talking about? The one that we adopt, the one that we propose to the court to the court. If I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, if Okay. We have a motion by Commissioner Eads. Check it. That was second by Commissioner Marchant under discussion. Can we do that on the GIS program? No, I can show you what how those numbers come out. All commissioner needs wants to do is to draw this line across right here and come across to the creek. That's not changing any population. It doesn't change population. It changes the that's on 136 grant. Yes. So are you saying all of 136 to? I think it's pretty much sure to approve a man. I think we still need to hear more from what the committee is doing. Potentially a public hearing on it once we have something presented to the committee. Um, I think it's pretty much sure to approve a man. I think we still need to hear more from what the committee is doing, potentially a public hearing on it. Once we have something presented to the committee. From the committee. All the vote may be. I think I'm generally amenable to compromise regarding this, but I think it's premature right now. I really think that we can make this work with the general consensus that was put forth through the court by shaving some stuff down. I haven't talked to you about this but- No, you hadn't. Well, surprise, surprise. I didn't know I had to. I just thought- No, I didn't. I mean, I just, an idea was, I mean, there's a little portion of old town, little now, would you want to take that or not? Oh, I haven't. That would be the connection. What is that that with with existing, I take all this that's proposed, is that what you're saying? And then addition of a little, just this. I know, but an addition to that, remember that I will be, I'm at three point, three point almost four anyway with this scenario so your minus your minus 315 so you're low yeah I don't I don't know anything about that precinct so is that a shaving of the precinct yeah that be a shave it would be it's basically the old time. It's the old part of little now show me here Go ahead mark on it I don't want any unincorporated I am putting me the incorporated yeah That would just put that would just put I don't think you that's in that's mixed into that ploma Creek this Well my point is I'm a generally well I think I'm in with that But I think we need to look at the numbers, but I think it would fit just because Ron it would It would probably make my percentage lower and you're a little higher That's on my map already. I'm still yeah four point on my map already I'm still four point point. Do you want to nine percent? Yeah, I'm willing to do that if you want to make the amendment. I don't know exactly how to do it. He's asking, he's wanting me to pick up a little bit more of a little amount. I have no. So look, he's got lower numbers, which means Bobby would need to take more current. No, it would make. It would make. Shave his numbers. You want to affect. It would still lower me down. Andy, this is the reason. Okay, so it doesn't affect 136. No, but Andy, this is the reason I think that we're a little premature in adopting a map because there's little tweaks like that But I had hoped the committee would look at well. They gave us five tweaks. So The committee did look at them. Well, they decided not to change the committee decided not to change any of the voting precincts And go ahead and do commissioners precincts first and then go and split up the voting precincts I know but I'm gonna I'm gonna great we just last week when I said it's a bad idea to do those voter precincts first and then do the big one she said I agree. And then I said I that's not what you said before and today you're telling me that you think when you go back to the precincts because I'm always even talk to because that's that's what confused me last week I said that's not what you said if you were well, I must have been mistaken I don't think that's what I said, but if I say okay, okay, that's fine. I mean that's okay What I said we need what I'm saying and what I'm advocating what I've told other people I think we need to draw the big boundaries first and we could have a disagreement on. I think we need to draw the bigger boundaries. If you look, a lot of these go on city limit boundaries, a lot of these go on on big state road boundaries. We need to tweak our big boundaries first, which is what we're doing today. We're making those. And then if we need to revise and shave them off, especially for ease of administration, for elections and the parties. Absolutely. So that's. Andy. OK. Mr. Marchin is asking this. Let me get. But what do you want to change? Hold on, Frank. I mean, Andy, now, when you were splitting, OK, let me understand this right, the process. If we set boundaries and we tell you if we want to split based upon a certain map, then you go back and split that precinct. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. So the whole process doesn't need to come from, I don't know how to say it, from the bottom up. In other words, take the individual precincts and split them up and then we base a map on that split. We can basically dictate by numbers how to split those precincts that we need to gain those numbers. Is that correct? Correct. You can take it from either perspective. Sure, I understand. You can work with the existing precincts and try to carve them up. Or you can totally disregard the current precincts. Based your commissioner precincts, subtly on population, that have nothing to do with the current voter precincts, and then fit the voter precincts into those groups. And so what commissioner Coleman is proposing is that one what what's that part of what existing precinct that precinct member? It would have been precinct 130. Taking precinct 130. Can you tell by that if that's still on the LISD, excuse me, a little LAM school district. Because I know that you split those precincts, 136 and 115 up to about four or five precincts so that they would be in line with the city limits as well as school district lines. I can't tell by this map. I don't know up here. Okay, so what I'm saying, Andy, is if I can help by pulling down his numbers, by picking up a community of interest, which would be another half of a precinct or a slim down precinct that doesn't mess up your idea of school districts. You follow what I'm saying? Right. Even, I mean, one thing to keep in mind is even if you do split a current precinct that may encompass two school districts, that doesn't mean you can't take that new portion that may get two precincts that correspond to it. Oh, I got you. It might be very small population wise, but it just works better for very hard balancing systems. So so I'm you know, I'm prepared to tell you right now that if that's something that you think Needs to happen with the city of lemon little lamb that would be beneficial to them as well as beneficial to taking numbers off that you need to take off then I'm completely compliant with doing that and we'll do that. I mean I'm serving the same community of interest and I mean yeah. You mentioned earlier I didn't know is this what you were talking about this other part of this is I mean you were talking because this is another part of little I'm but I didn't want you I mean I don't think it'd be fair for you to take in the special districts are up here but this is also another little part of the little you know and again if we're talking about communities of interest and okay with it and I'm okay with that yeah I mean I'm okay with that. Yeah. I mean, I'm okay with that. I mean, that helps your numbers and it gets us to a map that we can all agree on. But I'm okay with that because I'm prepared to vote on a proposed map that included all of 136 plus a new little digit coming down here. Right. As well as. Is that a floor to here? No problem. coming down here as well as that was here. No problem. I'm prepared to vote on that too, Ron, but I'd like to know what the numbers are. Or we can't or should what what would it be 2000? I mean, they were. All right now. Okay. Any tell us right to them? Can I show you the portion that we're talking about? I know what you mean, but I don't know. They should work because I'm so high and he would show her what exactly what you're talking about. So she can I mean like that portion is little. There is. But with that if you took that right there and that right there. I don't know frankly. How much tell me if that's how much would that bring Ron up? I don't really know. I can't be that much. Now, if now let me ask you this, if Ron took that, would that allow me to on Corinth, would that help or not? No, it won't help Bobby. Because she needs that because she needs more population? They have a lot of that. OK. That's fine. I mean, that doesn't do anything to Bobby. This only helps you because I'm taking on more. She's not going to be able to tell you those numbers and she can go. I know. But I would be OK with, I mean, as a compromise, I guess we could, if you would be I mean we can consider you taking those unless I mean I would put on any motion Andy that we make that so we can see the numbers Andy I would put on any motion that we make like a caveat that says given GIS running the numbers that were still out of compliance we need to revisit it well and I and I was gonna Say I think we're adopting these boundaries today. If there's something that comes back through the committee, if there's a minor tweak that needs to be done as far as a cleanup, I think the court will be open to that. I don't think we need to totally stifle the committee. And their good work as they move forward on the voter precincts. I know they've got a lot of desires and issues they want to do on that. So I think I'm very open as we, as I say, we adopt these boundaries today. But if there's minor revisions that we need to tweak, I'm open to that. Of course, let's remind everybody that the fastest growing, one of the fastest growing communities within Ditton County last 10 years moved from 3200 to about 21,000 with little M. So, probably in the next two or three years we're going to have to redistrict just because of it. No, just kidding. That's including all of 136. 136 we go to to stay in stay whole. It has no effect. It has no effect on that. It's no effect. Okay. Okay. Um. I think I'll need to have that smartphone, I guess, be able to. Now I know what you've been in here, and you've been in the end. Um. Um. Um. But I think we need to take full advantage of that. We need to see my phone. Okay. Do we need to revise our motion or vote on it or what's the all's pleasure? The broad is an agreement you can amend it for the little lamb. Yeah. Okay. So there's hopefully some clarity if you would state the amendment. I'm going to ask Rachel to start working on pulling up the map as revised a creative fresh map with those precincts added. Could you do that? I can't do what he's I don't have a precinct split for what he wants. I'm the one I've been a little out. But I can do it when I get back to the office. Okay. Okay. But he can stay. Stayed again. You. Thank you. Mr. March. No. Stayed again. My amendment would be amendment. If you're in, let me make sure the original motion is to, to go with the proposed map that included all of 136 in that little digit that hangs down to cut it across 2181 correct then the amendment would be to To add portions of two additional precincts within The city limits of little lamb is that correct? Yes, city limits of little and that would be precincts 143 and 130. 130 and 143 respectively. Hey, that's the proposed amendment to your motion. Is that acceptable, sir? Yes, it is. And the party that made the second to the motion? Well, it's like we did it at the same time. I'm sorry. You made the second to the motion. Well, as I get it, same time. I'm sorry. You made the second to the motion. Is there further discussion on the motion? Okay, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposite aye. Motion is carried. Aye. All right, members, do we want to go on and consider the council of precinct lines at this time? I think that is criminal red. Why don't you do a tab input on that? I want to hear from Chairperson Copeland or Mr. Fagry about what happened last night for me. They're one of them. Thank you. She read the report from last night. Okay. I mean, do we have the map? Okay. Thank you. That's right. Kate. What about do we have the map? Rachel? Ultimately, there was a motion made by Richard Hayes and seconded by Tim Hoy to adjust the JPM Constable Line Space Ruffling on population who present the map, presented by Constable Trude to the Commission's Court, the motion carried 9-2. And then Rachel, when you're pulling that up, can you also pull up an existing, what is their existing boundaries? Actually, that's both. Okay. The red outlines are the post and the colors are the original. They did again, please. The dark red outlines are proposed and the color areas are proposed. The colored areas, the way it is today and the dark red outline is what's being proposed. Okay. Members, do you have discussion on this? So do you want to vote on it? Do you want to wait? I used to. It's something. Commissioner, come in. I wouldn't need to wait, but I mean, I. I don't, too. You want to digest this a little bit more in his work communication with the council? I would like to. I don't. I'll just go ahead and state for the record. I'm going to have a problem with, and I wanted, first of all, I want to say, I wanted the JPs and conspuls to work this out amongst themselves, which it sounds like they did. But representing the far southwest part of the county, like I do, I'm going to have a problem voting for People in Ponder driving all the way across the county, across another justice at the peace office To go to crossroads to the JP, I appreciate the spirit in the hard work that the JP's and conspuls did. Trying to get proportionality as far as population. But I think that is, I think that's problematic. When we're putting a new government center basically downward that says P4, we're putting it roughly in that general vicinity. And you're going to have all those people from Roebst and Ranch and other places driving right through the city, from right pass Judge Holland's office on their way out to Bateman and even going farther away from our JP down in Flahermoud in that new office. So I think that's... I think we need to think about this a little bit more. Commissioner Marchon. Yes. Let me just in dealing with this subject and what was always drilled into my head, in all the schools and talking about redistricting the schools that, and I've been through one of those redistricting processes when I was a J.P. And they always told us that the population in my mind was always a given, but then I was told differently, which was correct, of course. But they always told us that you needed the lines and the precincts of their JP and constables needed to be close to its constituency. That you cannot deny someone the use of the judicial system based upon distances. And so you would put what is closer to the people. Now what a lot of people don't really understand is that although a J.P. represents a given area, a geographical area like a precinct, and they also have venue issues that are particular to forceful detainers or eviction suits. Any other venue issue is only becomes an issue if the defendant who is being sued wants to be sued in the same county or precinct where they live, I mean reside or where they have a place of business. So what that means is I can remember when the court was shut down in Dallas County, Farmer's Branch, Dallas County shut down a J.P. court. All the people there would have to travel all the way from Farmer's Branch over to Richardson at Beltline Court Road. They didn't do that. They chose to file their civil suits within Denton County courts. And the only way that venue would be an issue at the defendant to file their civil suits within Denton County Courts. And the only way that venue would be an issue at the defendant then said, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, I wanna be sued in the county as well as the precinct where I reside. And probably I could count on one hand, how many times that happened in the multiple years that was on the bench. So it's not that you're denying people the access to the courts because of location. But that's one of the biggest criteria that the Justice Department looks at as far as JP and Council presings are the location of the court and its proximity to its constituents that it serves. So I mean, you're right, if you look at where that court is going to be the new one, they have to travel all the way in a horseshoe over to Crossroads. That would be an issue of location, not a venue. Okay? be an issue of location. Not a venue. Okay. Hey, they found out here is we need to think about this some more. I don't think that we're ready to take action on the console JP lines today. Is everybody agreeing to that? All right. We'll come back to that issue. So I think we've have a ball that we're going to hand it. Thank you Rachel. Great to write you. You print one of those out for me and this one. Yeah, print one or email it to me. Yep. All of us actually. Rachel, when do you think you'll be able to get the proposed commissioners met this afternoon? Okay, if you'll email that out when you have it, too, please. Okay. You have it, too, please. OK. Moving right along to 14A, which is approval of the deed of dedication for all the roads and streets shown on the final platt of Nail Springs Branch edition is recorded in Cabinet W. Pages 725, 726, 727, 728, Platt Records of Dent County, Texas from Tommy Robinson, Tim Robinson and Dennis bridges to the Den County, Texas Republic Road. This is in Commissioner precinct one Second the motion of Commissioner Coleman seconded by Commissioner Marchant other questions or is the discussion Here none all in favor please say aye aye opposed any motion is carry All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye opposed, aye. Aye. Motion is carried. 14b is approval of one acceptance of the donation deed from David and Jay Robertson and wife, Paul Robertson. Did Denton County, Texas for right away for the Blackjack Road Bridge improvement project and two grant authorization to proceed with closing and approval for the Denton County Judge. Design on necessary closing documents. This is also on Commissioner Pristink-One. I'm going to approve. Motion by Commissioner Coleman, seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. Questions or comments? Hearing none, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Puss and E. Motion is carrying. 14C is approval of the interlocal cooperation agreement between Dent County of Texas and the city of Kruegerville, Texas for the various road projects located entirely within the city of Kruegerville, Texas and Dent County Commissioner of Prism to one of the county agreed to contribute an amount which shall not exceed $250,000 with funding to come from Commissioner of Prism to one Kruegerville improvement project funds. This is Auditor line item 857474908. Zero. I move for approval. Motion by Commissioner Coleman. Second. Seconded by Commissioner March and other questions. Any none? I'll favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed sitting. Motion does carry. 14D is approval of supplemental agreement number three to the agreement for engineering services between Dan County, Texas and Jacobs engineering group incorporated successor to Carter and Burgess and corporate it for the FM 423 widening project from Stuart Creek Road to state how we want 21 in the amount of $521,442 for a total revised contract amount of $3,710,000, $13.00. The funding to come from Commissioner, didn't kind of Commissioner are producing two, FM 423 funds, this is auditor number 857458908. So moved. Motion by Commissioner Marchant, seconded by Commissioner Mitchell, other questions. Here none on the favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed to the name? Motion does carry. We're about 30 minutes past the post of time for the posting of the recommended budget. Members do you want to, I think the executive session can go pretty quick. If we can go pretty quick if we can go in and do that and then come back. Okay, we're going to go to executive session then which is item 15A. We're soon to the Texas government code 551-0711A. This is consultation with attorney in a closed meeting when the governmental body seeks the advice of attorney and about pending litigation style, Kevin Bragg versus Sheriff Annie Parkie. The second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the second is the under Texas government code 551.0711b. This is also a consultation attorney close meeting in the governmental body, 60 advice of its attorney. About accepting the settlement offer for a full and final satisfaction of Denton County's property damages and an automobile accident case styled in County versus Christy Don Benson. Cause number 2011-102-24-16, currently pending in the 16th. Judicial District Court, Den County, Texas. C is under government code 551.0711A. This is consultation attorney in close meeting with the governmental body, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, advice attorney with regard to litigation pending in the probate court. Den County, Texas under Clause number PT 2009. 00942, in style, Den County, Texas under Clause number PT 2009, 00942, and styled Denton County, Texas versus Tramble Crow Company number 3 to 3 LP. And lastly, under government code 551.072, deliberation regarding real property. Close meeting to deliberate the value of real property or deliberation in open meeting would have a detrimental effect on the position of the government body. In negotiations with a third person regarding the value of the real property or deliberation in open meeting would have a detrimental effect on the position of the government body. In negotiations with the third person regarding the value of the real property located in the County Commissioner of Pacing 4 with that, we're an executive session. Commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commissioners, the commission an offer in the amount of $10,917.1 cent representing full and final satisfaction. Denton County's property damages in an automobile accident case style Denton County versus Christy Don Benson. This is cause number 2011, 102, 2, 4 dash 16 currently pending in the 16th judicial district court of Denton County, Texas. That's my motion. Sir Second. Seconded by Commissioner Margin. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed to the name? Motion is carried. Under 15c, this is my motion. Authorized in County Commissioner, precinct 2, Ron Margin, to act on behalf of the County Commissioner's Court as their designated representative for mediation and cause number PT. 2009, 0942,, style, Denk County, Texas versus Tramble Crow, number 33LP, at all currently pending in Denk County probate court. That's my motion. Seconded by Commissioner Marchion. On favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed to say aye. Motion does carry. Under 15D, there'll be no action on that item today. So now we are back to item 3B which is presentation to recommend a budget for fiscal year 2012. We're calling Donna Stewart. Moments you've been looking forward to? Absolutely. I appreciate it, Judge. It's a great day for us to be here. As you all know, the process starts for us in February. Great. When the Commissioner's Court establishes the goals and objectives of the county and gets departments direction. I hope you'll bear with me. I think our slideshow is going to take about four hours today. Just kidding. I don't play so. I expect us to get through this in about an hour or so. We have information in your packet. You'll have a copy of your slideshow as well under the tab. This is slideshow. And then we'll be referring throughout the presentation to information behind the recommended summary tab. Page S20 of your packet provides you with information about tax lily's and projected fund balances based on what was requested by departments. Initial request this year, totaled $201.7 million, which was an increase of $4.9 million. That would require a tax rate of 0.27645, which was a 2.39% tax rate increase. I have to stop right here and say my hat goes off to the departments. We're taking your directive so seriously. We received most of the budgets for extremely reasonable, extremely conservative. I think everybody recognizes the hard times we've had. And my hat's off to each and every department that we worked with. We have some that we had to trim down significantly and you may be hearing a few appeals from that time we'll tell on that but I just wanted to say this is probably the lowest requested increase that I've experienced since I've been here. In a nutshell, we have 11 requests for new hires. There was one in Human Resources Department. Technology services had five positions and a lot of that was, let me back up to human resources. That was for civil service coordinator position. Technology services requested five positions. However, most of that was to convert four contract labor positions into full time positions. That issue was discussed with the legal division and it's been resolved and they're back in the budget as contract labor. They get asked for one additional new hire as a server manager as well. The criminal district attorney asked for one position which is an E filing application manager. CSCD which is also referred to as adult probation. We have one request for a community supervision officer. This is for the pretrial bond supervision program that was previously state funded. And we'll go into that in a little more detail here in just a little bit. There were two positions included in the initial request for grants. As you all know during the recommended process until we receive notification from the grant agencies or have a new contract in place We do not place those positions in the budget, but if the contracts come through they'll be fully funded by offsetting revenue And juvenile posted education center a new councilor position was requested This is just a quick summary of the capital equipment that was requested by departments totaling $1.00, almost $3 million. I want to thank all the department heads and elected officials for doing this. I think they've done an incredible job of continuing to do their job and do it well with their current staffing. It helps with the technology that we have, but they all took it very seriously this year. The next sheet is just a quick recap. It compares a couple years of budget history. It's listed by all of our various funds. And you'll see that that recommend a budget that we're proposing today totals $198,440,000, 228. That's an increase of $1.6 million or a 0.84% increase in our budget. On page S21 of your packet is a recap of that same summary of budget request. It includes recommended totals for each department in the county. There's also historical data, current budget status by the department. This includes the 2010 adopted and actual budget figures, as well as 2011 adopted amended budget expenses to date, as well as what we're recommending with a variance in dollars and percentages. Again, I mentioned the budget is proposed at $198.4 million. Our office reduced departmental requests by over $4.3 million. There's really a net reduction of $3.3 million due to the fact that we included a million dollars from our fund balance in an insurance contingency for our health insurance plan. This is an increase of $1.7 million above our current budget. And there are detailed budgets by line items starting on page one behind the recommended tab. We won't go through all that information today, but it's there for your review over the next few weeks. On page S28 of your packet, you'll also see a breakdown by fund. It shows the beginning and ending fund balance projections. It also shows non-tax and tax revenue totals. So the second column over on that spreadsheet shows a grand totals by fun for non-tax revenues and then the next to the last column from the right shows the tax money going into that. Just as a quick point of reference, there are seven funds in Denton County that are supported by tax revenues. The other 16 funds are self-supported through fees or other revenue sources such as seizures, etc. This also includes the expenditure breakdown by fund and the tax rate information is located at the bottom as well. We are estimating an effective tax rate of .27 cents. That's the rate that will generate the same tax revenue on existing property as in the prior year. We are proposing that same rate of 0.270 based on the Commissioner's Court direction. Again, that's a 0% increase above the projected effective rate. Let me just caution you, we're using preliminary numbers that we received from the appraisal district. And I kind of took a few minutes yesterday to kind of compare what we received from the beginning of the process from the appraisal district, which is an early April. They start giving us information. And then through today, we've already lost $2.4 billion on the tax roll because of appeals. And last year, during that same time period, we lost $3.4 billion on the role. So it's very, this is probably the hardest part of our job is trying to give you a budget that's within what we think the parameters may be. We want to know that information again until the end of July. So bear with us, cross your fingers and say a little prayer. So that is based on the. Liminary numbers that are in there. For the preliminary numbers that's not certified. Not certified at all after July 25th. I think historically we've been very fortunate. We've tried to be conservative in our estimates. We try to look at the new property value that we receive from them, as well as any supplemental roll information that we received during the year. But again, just to caution you, it's a very preliminary number at this point. We are estimating an ending fund balance of $40 million, and that's about what we typically try to recommend to the commissioners court and that's for all funds At this point I'm gonna turn this over to James This is gonna be the revenue analysis portion of our presentation as you see the Local government code requires the county auditor to provide estimates of funds available and funds expected to be received. He submits that to our office and that's what we use as a guide to prepare the budget. really can put our revenue situation in a great perspective outside of the fly presentation that you'll all be familiar with. We're doing some research and as in 2008 our total revenues in the budget other than taxes were $47 million. 2012, those revenues are going to be $43.6 million. So we've seen a continued erosion of non-tax revenues year after year after year last four years. Some of these are very obvious. Primarily that's investment income or interest income on our money we have on hand. And give those numbers again and win from Ford. 2008 we had 47.2 million of non, you know the budget was of non tax revenue. 2012 budget has proposed 43.7 million. So, you know, terrific erosion. When you consider population growth, we have a lot of revenues that are somewhat population-driven. Those do continue to rise. Primary examples in the tax office. Commission zone transactions, vehicle registration, collection fees that are based on the tax collection fees that are based on the number of parcels. Those all are continuing to rise. Everything else, anything based on the economy or on interest rates is shrinking. It has been shrinking. So it puts more pressure on our tax revenue. The general fund itself, it said in that same period, it had about a million dollar shrinkage of revenues, non-tax revenues in that same period from 26.5 to 25.7. So, I mean, we can get real quickly through the revenue analysis, but that's the main thing. So, right? Okay. So, as always, we have eight major sources of revenue. We all know property taxes is the single largest source. The news there is and has always been the case in Denton County. It's five of the economy. It's five of anything else going on. Our collections are very strong. We're already at 99% of current role collected. As it has been in many, almost every year, we've almost never seen, actually have never seen any kind of a drop in collections, the percentage collected, regardless of what's going on. What we did see the drop is considerable less new construction in the county this year, and in our prime years, which would be a couple three years ago. This is, again, this is new construction or a new property added to the role, gives us new revenue for that first year that allows, actually, it feeds budget growth. In our peak years, we were getting two billion dollars per year Which would equate to You know the six million dollars in new revenue to finance growth in the budget this year. It's right out of big and it's it's 50% of that And we expect it is somewhat less than last year, so we must see money going down there Just points to say is, again, as Don has alluded to, we don't have final values. This will be late July and then, you know, the crucial part of the budget. A whole budget process is when the effective rate is finally calculated because then you are dealing with hard, very, very final numbers. We do expect tax revenues to increase by about 4.3 million because besides new property there was growth in the role due to re-evaluations during the year, properly changing its basic use, particularly as property that's been receiving an agricultural exemption is starting to be developed and it loses that exemption that does add to our role and also the continued appraisal disputes are many of those are settled at a higher rate than we think. So again, property taxes were looking at 4.3 million increase but a much smaller increase from you property than we expect. Vehicle registration, you get two, you know, again the $10 fee that's optional, which goes all into road and bridge, continues to grow not as much as it has in the past, but that's going to get a population raise. Purely a function of population. Two to degree, I guess there's some people not driving as many cars as they used to, because population race. Purely a function of population. Two to degree, I guess there's some people not driving as many cars as they used to because it hasn't gone down some. Our other big source of revenue is the 5% auto fee of that is based on vehicle sales. And this is the budget it'll very large decrease $600,000 in that. That is a function of the economy. Car sales dropped about three years ago and they have yet to rebound. When the coincided with the general near collapse of the economy and although interest rates are extremely low, it just is not then a rebound to anything close to prior year levels in auto sales. So our two point out million that we have in the budget is a $600,000 decrease that we have to deal with. Okay. Next one. Intergovernmental revenues or grants and Commissions head back one more slide. Donut So we were saying the optional $10 fee where we're thinking that's going up 150 and then we're down 600 on the The others that would that's correct. Yeah, the optional $10 fee once again is on all Registrations per unit cost per car The other is that what that's correct. Yeah, the optional $10 fee once again is on all registrations Her car and again, that's more of a function of just population growth, which we know we're still having And it all goes into road bridge My statute Right, the other fee is based is a commission on auto sales tax collected for the state, collected or emitted to the state. That's a function tax office tax assessor collector fulfills that function, kind of by contract. But that is based on auto sales. And so that's why it's because auto sales within the county are down. Yeah, auto county are down. Yeah, auto sales are down. That's the difference in those two. Again, just parenthetically, it makes no difference to the bottom line budget. The commission, the five percent commission on auto sales tax is continues to be shifted from road and bridge to the general fund by statute. At one point when all of the general fund is switched all over the road and bridge by statute 15, 20 years ago. Now seven years ago the legislature decided to move the money back to the general fund by statute and they're doing it in 10% increments. The exact rationale and principle behind that escapes me totally. Because it really doesn't affect our bottom line budget at all. You know, we still get the same amount of money. We just have a different, we put it in a different, in a different fund. While they're taped, they decided to take 10 years to do it. I can't, I don't even, I never have quite understood why they want to do that. Evidently the amount of money, I don't have any idea, actually don't understand that one at all. Intergovernmental revenues back to that, did answer your question? I'm sorry. Okay, thank you. Intergovernmental revenues, again the grants are generally zero sum to the county. We get money from the state, federal governments, and as mentioned earlier in court today, even from city governments. Those all have specified uses. They generally fund programs we would not fund are not included in the budget. Almost by most of them by rule, we can't supplant County funding with grant funding There's not much but again, but there's some contractual revenue contractual and just statutory revenues that do impact the budget positive manner the Contractual revenues from the state or the actually the statutory revenues from the state were under assault The entire budget year of an entire session of the legislator. There were proposed cuts and almost every type of funding we get, lateral road funds, mixed beverage tax, juror pay, judges supplement pay, attorney, longevity, all these. It could have added up to a lot of money. Actually based on what the budget is done, we will see, on the budget is being adopted by the state. We will see we will lose a portion of our mixed beverage tax about it's cut. The county share is cut 14%. The tax is not cut. The state will retain more. 14%, the tax is not cut, the state will retain more. Based on our approximate $320,000 of mixed average tax we collect, that should be about $45,000, decrease in revenue. State training funds for the sheriff's office, actually constable sheriff, VA investigators, and emergency management office. For many years, the state has been sending back money for required training for licensed officers. That's cut 100%. Again, that's paid from court cost to week elect and remit to the state. They're just keeping it all. That adds up to about $45,000. Again, that's supplemental funding. You know, begin it will be, it will, particularly in the sheriff's office, that gets, has the most peace officers, that's going to be a bigger cut from they'll lose about $30,000 of training money this year. Criminal Justice Division grants, which we only have a few left, couple of DA grants, and I think one sheriff's office grant, those were cut 57 percent, that might mean. I don't know that it will affect our grants at all. It could have meant about $70,000 less funding. Juror Pay, which again is funded by a court-cost-week elect, remit to the state, and then we ask for reimbursement each quarter because we're mandated to raise pay on the second day for jurors from $6 to $40. That's cut 15% the reimbursement is cut 15% that could mean about $40,000. In every version of that law that cut I saw though they actually reduced what we had to pay to jurors. So actually what we paid jurors for their second and in swimming days of service will probably go down 15% in the zero net. District Attorney received some supplemental funding from the state that's cut about 60%. Which is going to be about $20,000. The JJAEP program was cut about 30%, that's probably about $30,000. That's just the state funding, not the school funding. Juvenile probation training funding was cut 95%, that is not every revenue we see, but just guessing that might be about $40,000 for training money they won't get. The single largest cut is the vehicle emissions program repair and replace that we find. That's cut 88%. That's a zero net. It'll be about half a million dollars to the county most years we've been getting nearly 600,000. Since we give every dollar or we actually buy contracts and every dollar to the Council of Governments, that will just, it will affect our budget at all, because we don't budget any of it until we receive the money. It just is a lot less money coming back into the county, about half million dollars. But they did not cut the amount of the fee that we have to pay. I have not seen a single state fee cut. I did not buy statute at all. So all of these cuts, and and again most of these are things we collect the money on the a court calls from Justice Courts, County Courts, District Courts. We collect it, we account for it, we deposit it, we do and then we report it on a monthly or quarterly basis. But the amount you get back was cut 88% per. The thing is, you know, so it's a, the partnership is not an equal partnership at all. But those people that live in the part of the state that do not have emissions testing. They don't pay anything in. We pay it in, but we don't, the amount we get back is cut by 88%. Just, just very clear by that. Absolutely. Okay. We get back is cut by 88% just just very clarify that Absolutely, okay I think that was the rule was six dollars of each 42 dollar inspection came back into that program and so now will be about 75 cents for for 42 dollars But overall based on the things that the various proposals the state funding cuts funding cuts are not onerous for us. I don't think. I don't know what they might have been. Okay. I think we got some issues in probation department that they were telling me about things they used to get grant funded for. Those are the post adjudication. We used to get some grant funding to offset our expense, which we're not going to be getting in the future. Actually, our June Approbation grants came out pretty nice. I just went to the budget workshop on that last week. They give 100, 1.5 million, maybe, or something like that. About 100 million and a half. They're going to lose about 6% of their funding. Again, not as bad as it might have been for. Adult probation will lose some funding, which is outside our budget. And it will be up to them to make that up. I suspect. Okay. Fees of office and just moving back on. Very little growth in fees of office. Many of these again are, some of our fees or kind of functions of the economy. Only in offices like the tax office, which it's more like a collection fee or the new communications contracts fees that we've seen in here. You know, just have a minor amount of growth in fees, practically, Neil. We are seeing less money for fines, court fines, which some of this actually is the J.P. courts. The decrease is not as great as it seems because with the new computer system, they are reporting. is formally going to reporting deferred judication fees. Or is that not right word? One person reads the case of ticket and they ask that again, they're, it's not deferred judication. They're given six to three months if they don't get any trouble than the deferred judication. They deferred judication. But they still pay a fee equal to the fine, if they don't get any trouble then the deferred occasion. But they still pay a fee equal to the fine if they get that. The J-Pet justice of courts with the new computer system all report that as a civil fee now. There's always been some confusion in the statute if that was a fine or a fee. Since they're not adjudicated it's not necessary strictly speaking not to fine. So their civil fees are going up to replace some of that, but there is a, there is a, all levels of courts that are seeing reductions in fines. Can I, I mean, is some of that due to the state taking more of the money that would be a portion or any of that? No, no, the, the, the, some of the decrease in fines, uh, they have not seen anything where they're getting more. They were looking to get all the overweight truck fines and things like that. And I did not have not seen that go through it. Now, how do you trend that? I mean, how do you trend the decrease? Are you looking at, uh, what, I mean, is it, are you looking at that amount as a trend of the courts as they exist today? Are you looking at that amount as a trend of the courts as they exist today? What we're seeing is all the revenue from criminal courts, which is fines, court costs, technology fees, security fees, or rest fees, all of those are going down. County and district courts are, and it's just purely on revenue received by the county. And that's on the criminal side, right? The criminal. We're only talking on the criminal side. We're getting it to be a safer county. We're just seeing that money. And it's starting to add up. One of the things in the county and district courts, though, we've had the collections program going for about five years now. And I think we all knew what that would do. And it's been very successful. And we saw nice revenue, extremely good revenue spikes when that program first came on. But part of that was just speeding up collections in the county and district courts. When we put that program in, almost no one that was on probation was released from probation, O and a fine to the county, but they were given five years to pay it off. With that collection program, they paid it off in a year. So I think what we're seeing is we're seeing that spike just in faster collections go back down. Doesn't necessarily mean the courts are any less active. It's just we created a spark with the collection program and it was by definition going to level back out and I think it's okay, I understand. But I'd like to talk about the JP courts a little bit. Now I realize with the beginning of Odyssey, there was hesitation for everybody to get on, finally everybody's of Odyssey, there was a hesitation for everybody to get on. Finally, everybody's on Odyssey. It's going to take some while to get everybody adjusted to this new system. But my latest communication with J.P.'s, I believe, is James Depazio was getting ready to sign up with McRaeva's cell phone and do that. You see the last one, I think there's still one more that's not gotten on board. Actually, I would see that mostly from the payments we make for those final collections. I actually think I've seen when we make a payment it'll usually say in the bill report which JP is connected. I believe all of them are. They're just varying degrees. I don't think just but maybe not precinct six. I don't believe Judge Larson is. I could be wrong. Okay, so yeah. And then you have to look at each way that each I mean each JP cord handles the way that they take care of collecting their fines totally different than the other. And some of them are more successful of using the Constable's Office as a collection agency. And then, or when they turn over open warrants to the, to the constables. And then the constables turning those back over and some JPs will hand over all of their warrants to collect those fines or fees To the to the costables office they'll turn around work them if they can't work them They'll send them back to the JP, then the JP turns around and turns it over to a collection agency. Well, we've contacted with McCree Vesok, I've handled those fees and fines, and that's my point. Yeah, well, not everybody is taking advantage of that. Well, it may not. But it may not. Yeah, but it may not be an advantage. That's what I'm saying. It's just, it's particular to the court. If the court gets a warrant out to collect those fees or whatever, and immediately sends it to collections to collect it, I don't know of any court. And I may be totally wrong that handles it that way. They'll turn it to their constable unless he rejects it and sends it back. They'll work on it as best they can. Then if they can't collect it, they'll send it back to JP and then they turn it over to the collection agency. Now, there may be courts that are totally different than that, but you've got to find out the system that works best for the court to collect the most amount of money. That's the only point I was trying to. Point is not everybody is training it ultimately after whatever process they want to go through. Not everybody is training it ultimately over to Mayor Carrivesalca. Well, that collection process does not cost the county. Mayor Carrivesalca does not make money unless they are successful. I've asked for and received from the auditor's office a spreadsheet on all the JP courts and their collections. And it's very obvious that Judge Depazza has mentioned that yes to get set up, there's additional work that they're going to have to do. But obviously Judge Kerbo has done this and it's been highly successful if you look at how percincts are. We can only recommend to them what they should do. Thank you. My point is, exactly. I don't think we could demand a damn how they run their office and how they do that. But we can provide the service for them whether they choose to accept it or not. I'm going to send you the spreadsheet so you can see for yourself the percentages because of is what's going on. I'm sorry to interrupt James go ahead. I think the major is something that finds the major change in JPs is just more, they're actually showing big increase in civil things because of this deferred tutication fee. That's the major change, but overall we're seeing less revenue from the court system as a whole. Interest revenue is nothing to say. Other than, we've lowered the revenue estimate, my nearly half a million dollars. In prior years, we've had been optimistic that the extremely low rates had run their course and the federal reserve would have to raise them. They haven't done that, haven't raised them, have not raised rates in about three years. There is as low as they can go, they'd actually show no signs of raising it though, to the point we just had to take any expectation and increase out of the budget. But then this is a colossal loss of revenue of the county overall. Come in, it's, before, when rates were about 4%, we'd have about $6 million. And interest income in the budget is gone. And there's nothing replacing it. No way to replace it other than with our one-source revenue. So miscellaneous funds. Some of the areas that we do get some revenues that are sizeable and not necessarily miscellaneous, but some again some of those areas or things that just don't work you know have also we've been very successful in the past and we're seeing a slowdown because we've cleared backlogs out that's in like Bell Bonn's forfeatures. This has been a hugely hugely as far as revenue to the county and not speaking this to the the justice part of it. It's been a very successful program. It's been going for about 10 years and then county and there's not much backlog left. So the years have really excessively large revenue may be going, you know, may be going. We still get significant revenue from that. Inmate phone fees, which is the phone service in the county, and we just don't see as much usage of the basic collect call on the phone systems provided by the vendor. They're going to prepaid cards now, so that just takes somebody out of the budget too. So in summary, again, I'll just go ahead. There's the summary in written up. We are doing, continuing our, recommend our practice of transferring some jury fund, a general fund fund balanced to the capital placement fund for those specific programs. That's been very successful. That does keep us out of the market for very small tax note issues, which is a good thing to be. There's a larger increase transfer to the health insurance fine. We show our fund balances, but I just would, and we're in compliance with our policies. We're very adequately funding. I still say the bottom line is that, you know, in the last in five years our non-tax revenue has shrunk in a budget about three and a half million dollars. That's about seven six or seven percent of shrinking. When the county, as we know, is growing, there is more activity in the county, but the non-tax rim is shrinking. And that is, you know, by and large, that's a lot of it is interest, interest in kind of, but there are other areas too. So it just makes the budget officer's job that much harder. But I, if I have any question, I'll try to answer it. The question is from members. Next slide just shows a summary and you'll see everything added in red or decreases. So for a visual I thought that'd be important to see just how much decrease in revenue we're looking at. I'd just like to clarify that my remark concerning the JP collections is simply, you know, put my old tax successor hat on, you know, the money that is rightly due to the county needs to be actively pursued. And especially in these economic times, there's no dispute as to whether or not that those funds are due to Denton County and I'm just Encouraging anybody and everybody that has the duty to be working on that to actively pursue it. That's my total point Thank you Donna Okay, we can get into the expenditure side of the budget a little bit This first one off the bat is pretty much what drives our whole budget this year and that's health insurance. As you all know, we've seen a large budget amendment just processed recently. You may see another just due to trends and large claims that we've been seeing. We have built into the budget $600 increased per employee for each department. However, that's nowhere near enough in my opinion. So we have taken, like we mentioned earlier, a million dollars from our fund balance and placed that in contingency, along with another $900,000. So we have $1.9 million in contingency for health insurance. Our proposal would be to leave it in contingency. And only as the funds need to be transferred, we transfer them at that point in time. Hopefully it won't be like, we won't have another year like we've had this year. But I think just historically what we've been seeing it makes me feel much better to have that money in the bank. Is he prepared for the worst and all for the rest? Clearly. And then again we don't know our actual numbers for health insurance until the first part of August. We have a meeting with the PEC, they do actuarial studies, and the committee needs and provides information to the court at that point in time. So right now we're using our historical data and hopefully they may be projecting that we might need less. We'll see. Even still I would probably recommend we leave it at that level just because of the unknown. We have built-in computer lease payments. This is located in the capital replacement fund. The committee is recommending that we lease, I believe it's a storage area network for information services and lieu of purchasing that whole system outright. It's a $3 million project but we're proposing lease payments over the next several years. Repairs and maintenance that's primarily remodeling and software maintenance. There's an increase of $300,000. Court ordered expenses. We have $260,000 increase built into the budget. Again some of that's based on the fact that we've added a new court. And just court-a-point attorney fees have increased along with other court-ordered line items, such as psychological testing and so on. Elections, this is a year, as you know, we have constitutional amendment election coming at this year, and we have to buy a lot of things up front for the upcoming presidential elections. So, you see fluctuations in our budget from year to year for election expenses but we have significant increase in the cost for judges, for ballots, for postage, for mailing out the voter registration cards, as well as contract labor. So that impacts about $253,000. Contract labor, for example, we were previously able to use chapter 159, chapter 19 funds to pay for that. Those funds have been depleted and so the counties haven't picked up a larger chunk of that. New employees, what we are recommending cost $199,000 and we'll go to that list of three employees here in just a moment. We haven't, of course, the new district court began January 1st of this year because of the deferred start date. We have an automatic impact for all the employees being hired for nine months versus 12, as well as operating expenses for that court of $194,000. Gatsalene expenses, as we all know that's been fluctuating but we have a $142,000 increase built into the budget. Our appraisal district appropriation we're looking at maybe a $75,000 increase as you know we pay a share of that budget based on our tax lily. We do have what we call reorganization of slots. As you all are aware, we had some interns in the GIS department that we are recommending be part-time employees versus interns. And the impact to that is the cost of part-time health insurance. And then we have a DA position as well. Has slight increase in ambulance funding. Library funding, I'm recommending a 10% reduction in library funding. That's a $48,000 savings. Capital equipment, we have just seen less requested in the way of capital equipment. We have seen reductions of $135,000 in supplies and just miscellaneous. We have less funding that's been requested for professional services. Hats off to Gustavo and HR are insurance expenses or less. Fleet liability insurance has gone down as well as our comprehensive general liability insurance. Contract services, as you all know, the JAEP program, there's less participation in the program from Louisville ISD, so they have cut two positions out of their budget and expenses accordingly. We have deleted some slots from the budget. Three and a half positions have been deleted at a savings of $196,000. Our debt service payments have decreased for this fiscal year by $321,000. Our current contingency levels are down $921,000. That excludes what we have increased for health insurance and court order of expenses. But we have, and I'll show you the list of what we have in contingency here in just a moment. Donna, what were the deleted slots again? I'm about to get to the list of those. I'm a transfer to other funds. There's less in that being transferred to capital replacement fund. We've transferred $3 million last year and we're transferring $2 million this year. So the total increase in the budget is $1.6 million. Unfortunately, you didn't see employee raises on the list. This is the third year that we are not proposing raises for employees. That's an unfortunate situation. I wish there was another way that we could do that. If we didn't have quite the increase in health insurance, we perhaps could have considered something. The list here shows the three full-time employees that we are recommending and human resources, they asked for a civil service coordinator position that has been included in the budget. However, it will only be filled when the program must be implemented and voted on by the Sheriff's Department employees. We're expecting that to occur. We just don't know the time frame, but Amy has indicated that the position will not be filled until that program is in place. In public safety we have one employee for CSCD. That's the free trial bond supervision program that I talked about a little bit earlier that can no longer be funded with state funds. This position supervises the interlock device program where defendants are ordered to place an ignition device on their vehicle as their bond is set. So it's pretrial and before court that the state has ruled that state funds can no longer be used for that. So. Would you remind me again on the new hires? So you're only asking for three new hires? We are included in the recommended budget. And remind me again on the decision that we made for the new person to work under construction manager where that fits into the new budget. They're included in the budget. Those positions have already been voted on and approved by the court, so they're not listed here. Well, okay, so. As in the position. I thought the second one was not going to be. It's September 1st. Oh, so it is, okay. So that's been taken care in this year's budget and those positions are included. And I had a question concerning this CSCV. So the person is required to have say an ankle bracelet. It's an interlock device that's placed on their vehicle for D-deco. Oh, okay, for D-W-I. Okay, and that's required by whom? It's a condition of their bond when it's set by the magistrate or the judge who ever bonds them. Okay, and the magistrate, this is a question for legal, Flo John, can the magistrate, when they do the condition for bond, require that, you know, they have to have that what do you call it interlock device interlock device can it be required that they pay for their own interlock device where are we picking up a tab or that the bonding company pay for it I don't care who pays for it but I don't see why we have to pay for it. This is not for the interlock device itself. I believe their orders are... It's actually, there is a, the people pay for their own interlock device. Okay. It's not a bonding company. These are personal bonds. Okay. Okay. And then the effort from someone in the county, this now been approved by my CSCD is to inspect it to be sure it's working and then to monitor it. And those there is a specified $10 fee for those. That they pay. They do pay. Okay. That revenue is minimal. It's about $5,000 I believe is what we've included in the budget. And just to let you know too, this position was requested to be carried in the county budget but to be handled as a state employee. That means they would have different health insurance. They might have a few different personnel policies that they would follow. We are actually having a meeting this Friday with the two, well, two judges, one district judge and one county court judge along with CSCD, the auditor's office, myself, HR, and others to see if this is actually the appropriate place for this function to carry on. So we may be coming back to you in a week or so with a different recommendation of where the position is to be replaced, or if it's to be replaced. So I just wanted to make you aware that there are still some issues with it, but we're working on resolving that. There's also a Councilwork position for juvenile post-dudication. TJPC grants will actually reimburse $140 a day for this position. These are juveniles that are in a special tracking program, which 86% of the juveniles in that program fall within that category. We do have deleted positions in the budget. As you all know, you yourselves deleted the vehicle maintenance manager position in the middle of this fiscal year with the responsibilities being transferred and absorbed into a vacant slot that belongs to Red and Bridge precinct 4, so they will supervise that program. We also deleted an Assistant Juvenile Probation Officer that's part time. The slot has been vacant for an extended period of time, so that position has been eliminated. We also deleted two juvenile community correction officers, of course, at the request of the department due to the reduced participation in that program. We have reorganization of slots, as we mentioned earlier, GIS. Geographic information systems has four interns currently in the budget. We're recommending that they be changed to part-time positions. And the only impact to that is not their salary, but it's us carrying their health insurance or at least at a part-time level. Donna, can we talk about that later time? I don't understand that. If we're adding insurance liabilities when we have an insurance liability problem. Is this more? I'll be happy to talk to you about that. That was actually my recommendation. Okay. All right. And the criminal district attorney, they have an existing administrative specialist to slot that we would be reorganizing to a whole different job, which is an e-filing application manager. I think you may all be aware of that situation. They also provide computer support for the entire DA's office. I've talked with Kevin Carr extensively about it, and he recommends that position as well. But this position will maintain the EFiling program that was written in-house to assist agencies with following all their paperwork online. So when a summary of the position changes new hires are included at 199,495 as three positions We have three and a half deleted slots at a savings of $195,652 The reorganization of slots we just talked about is $53,537 impact. So the grand total impact of what we're proposing as far as employee changes is $57,380. Right down of county services, this is just a quick recap that shows that over 94% of our budget is for mandated or essential services with only 6% being listed as non-undated. There's a breakdown in your book of course on page S29-347. We talked about contingencies a few minutes ago so I'm going to go through that list so you'll be fully aware of what we've included in the budget. We have regular and appropriated contingency that's not specifically earmarked at $750,000. That's about $52,000 less than we have in this current year's budget. We have vehicle repair contingency at $75,000. As you know, we're self-insured. We have to have funds in the budget in case we need to replace the vehicle. Or two. Court ordered contingency. That's actually an increase. We had $500,000 in the budget last year. We've increased that to $680,000, $5,000 just based on our current trends. Insurance contingency is in the budget at $50,000. That's $20,000 less than last year. We've maintained the lawsuit settlement contingency at the same level as last year. Workers' comp contingency, that's, we've got $100,000 in contingency now, or for next year, that's $200,000 less than we have in the current budget. Last year we had no funds allocated for contingency. We had budgeted that with each department, but we've included that $1.9 million we discussed earlier. Grant contingencies included at $433,000. That's $117,000 less than last year. However, we're hoping that there will be sufficient funds assuming we lose some grant funding, perhaps in the DEA's office or sheriff's office, that if the court chooses to continue those programs, you can do so with contingency funds. We have utility and gasoline contingency included at $200,000. That's actually $245,000 less than last year or this current year. Out of county prisoner contingencies pretty close to the same level as last year. I think we had $306,000 last year. And we have personal contingency, as you know, a lot of small departments don't have much flexibility in their payroll to hire above budget. So we do provide some contingency funds to help those departments that may not have turnover or and want to hire someone in above their budget to the mail. So total contingency in this year's budget is almost $4.7 million. Again, that's grown overall, but several of the items have been reduced. A number of positions by department, I know that each year you all like to see a 10-year history. On page S42 through 47 of your budget, you'll see that 10-year history on page S42 through 47 of your budget. You'll see that 10-year history by department. Mr. Martian, who's a question? Me? I thought you were looking at me. On these contingencies, I know we're not even to the end of the budget year, but could I have some information on where we've exceeded the contingency line? In other words, like vehicle repair contingency, what was budgeted last year? Are we going to exceed it? Are we going to be less than? The year did that utilization or something? Yeah, in other words, are like utilities and gasoline contingency. I know that a lot of times in the past that facilities has been able to use some of that contingency that they've had that they overestimated on some projects. And the reason I'm asking that is there may be things within the proposed budget if we know that those contingencies are going to have some money left over that we may be able to assign to different. But when I'm asking you to take care of it this budget, you're in the next budget. We generally do that as we. Yeah. I mean, you will do that, won't you? Yeah. Yeah, before the end of that. Okay. Absolutely. You know, one of the main reasons we have contingency is just the unknown. And if it hadn't been for the level we had this year when our health insurance situation where, you know, we could have been in a bond. We could have had to request an emergency, budget amendment which we hate to do. But again, utilities and gasoline, or we're actually recommending as best we can in the department level what we think they need. And I was just putting that out there. I mean, there's, I just know that're going to eventually look at some projects that have to do with facilities and it'd be easier to go to our contingency and pull them out of this year budget and try to fund them before we go into next year. I understand. Just a quick recap of car allowance. Basically, you'll see there's pretty much the same bottom line budget for car allowance. There's now increased in fixed allowance included. The next chart just quickly shows a recap of our capital expenditures that are in the recommended budget. The majority of that, $800,000 or so is just for replacement vehicles. There's a minimal amount for road and bridge equipment, computers, and other operating equipment. As you all know, we have a vehicle assessment committee that reviews and makes recommendations to the court, what's included in the budget complies and follows the recommendation of the committee. They had $246,000 in direct savings. They all reviewed the mileage, condition and usage of the vehicles and transferred vehicles within the county as it was appropriate. within the county as it was appropriate. There were 39 replacement vehicles requested. 31 were recommended by the committee and 31 are included in the recommended budget. Here were no new vehicles requested to be added to the fleet. There were two surplus vehicles requested with the committee actually recommended that four surplus vehicles be included. So two of those were in lieu of new vehicles. One vehicle was requested for new employee. It's for a pending contract so that vehicle has not been included at this point. Again we've included $75,000 in vehicle repair contingency for self insurance costs. Is the jump in the ECHO's request replacement because of the age of the vehicles? Is that mainly what it was? Yes. The next sheet on your, you'll see shows the number of vehicles, shows the historical data that purchased it. You'll see there were 24, included in the 2011 budget and 31 this year. That kind of varies from year to year, anywhere from 22 vehicles to 41, but the average for the past five years is about 29 vehicles per year. So we're right in the ballpark of the average. The Social Service Agency funding, as you know, you have a committee that you've all made appointments to that reviews all the social service agency requests. They submitted a request totaling $549,000. The committee met and recommended funding for only the current agencies at the current funding level of $455,000. There were four new agencies that requested funding, and all the agencies have been notified of the committee's recommendation. This next spreadsheet shows those noted in yellow are agencies, new agencies that requested funding this year. However, it has not been recommended by the committee. So that was communities in schools of North Texas, hearts for homes, spirit, horse, international, and the Salvation Army. Library funding, as you know, the request came from libraries at the current level of funding, which is $480,231. Three libraries did not request county funding again. These are the same ones we've had for the last few years, which includes Ditten, Coppell, and Renew. They reduced their per capita rate in order to comply with the level funding request. However, as I mentioned earlier, I did recommend a 10% reduction, bringing that total to $432,211. Building projects, you'll see a little different information this year than you've seen in the past. These are true remodel projects as defined by facilities. There were requests for a total of $300,000 in projects. And we were unable to include the top 14 priorities as submitted by Dean Bromley and his staff. The cost of those projects are $115,090. The report in details on page S97 through S99 if you're a packet. Again, this list includes non-maintenance items. Only the routine ongoing annual costs are included in a miscellaneous building maintenance line item. And with that, there are a lot of people to thank. First and foremost is of course the budget office and all the work that they put into this. We had some trying times in our office this year during the budget process. And each and every one of my employees stepped up to the plate and made this budget happen and my hat's off to each one. County Auditor and staff did a great job providing us with the estimates that departments would spend this year as well as projected revenues for each of our county funds. Director of purchasing they help us with pricing, human resources, reviews, all new employee requests and provides us with rankings, technology services, provides a lot of input and reviews all requests for computer related equipment and makes recommendations. Vehicle Assessment Committee again does a great job looking at all those vehicles and providing a recommendation to us, Social Service Agency Committee that's headed up by Bing Burton. Alan Williams helps us with radio information. As you know, radio process continue to change, so he's able to assist us with providing the most viable option for our departments. Like I mentioned earlier, I can't say enough about our department has elected officials for holding the line and keeping expenses down. Certainly helped us through the budget process this year. And again, to the court for all your support that you provide us and the faith that you put into our office for providing a recommended budget to you. I'll be happy to answer any questions that you have. I'll be happy to take any requests for information that you might need for future meetings. Our next meeting will be reserved for appeals. I'm not expecting that we'll need to meet on July 21st. We definitely will next Tuesday meet to discuss the appeals so far. Everybody knock on wood. We've only received a handful of requests. So, pardon me. Pardon me? I'm sorry, I thought you were finished. It's okay. Anticipate. I was working on the budget on the 26th of July. Would that be an off day because we don't? Would we have the final? Sometimes we might have that information, but I do anticipate us meeting on that day. Your microphone's not on the cruise. August 8th is when we take our official recorded budget vote correct. August 9th, it's the court. If the commissioners court proposes a rate that exceeds the effective tax rate, it requires a record vote on a proposed rate. It requires a record vote on a proposed rate. That's probably one of the most important meetings to be in attendance at as we find. If you want to move that up, Andy. I was just curious what we're going to be meeting on that July date, any afternoon. Sometimes I'm not sure in the afternoon. Yeah, sometimes I'm not sure in the afternoon. It just depends on what appeals we have and what other information you want to see from our office. What other kind of details you want to go over. So we may only meet for 30 minutes that day or an hour. I mean, if I had a preference, I think we did this last year. I think that we had a designated slot within the regular agenda for budget discussions. And then if it ever, I mean, we usually deferred to the end of our agenda and then we went on from there, I would prefer it to be that way rather than scheduling anything in the afternoon. If we have to reschedule to go to the afternoon. We possibly can. I agree. That's what we've tried to do in the last several years. It just depends on the number of appeals. It's kind of hard to gauge when we might be able to start. But I'll try to work most of that out in the morning if I can. We don't have to post that as a time. It's already on our, you know, budget and any appropriate actions. Oh, it's just a discussion. We just posted on it. Can you win the adjournment recess? Yes, okay. That's where we do. You would see that on the agenda every Tuesday now through August the 9th. You'll see that posting. And I have two things. One, the budget, the prison district, sent over, and I realized our portion of it is like a $75,000 increase, and I meant to meet and note and then check their budget, and I forgot to do so. Are they doing salary increases for their employees? I don't believe they are. I'd have to go back to that. I know they did last year in the year before. I just wanted to see if this would. Yes. I can look at that and see. They did last year in the year before. Really? I wanted to see if on this increased budget, if there were salary, I would like to know that. Okay. And then the other thing is on the spreadsheet that you present to us during our workshop discussions, I believe we sent information to you about two proposed position changes that I had given to you. Maybe you didn't get it to your time for the recommended budget, but. We do have that on our spreadsheet. We have that already on the spreadsheet to talk about. That involves Print and Mail Department, as well as we need to rediscover the position in the museum. The other information we have is County Criminal Court Number Five. There are some issues that we need to discuss and quite honestly, I'm supporting their proposal. There's a small reduction for the conference of urban counties. And based on the new information that Commissioner Eads sent to me over the weekend, we can actually increase some of our funding that will go into the Red and Bridge Fund for excess wait fees and lateral road funding. So those are some of the things we've got on the agenda to bring back to you as well as any other appeals. Departments have been given until tomorrow to follow and appeal with our office and will summarize that information for you and have our appeal session next week. Since it's been brought up in discussion here and it is part of the budget. I know the museum position. We had a consensus opinion that you all wanted to take it up during budget. But that was before we knew about Georgia Caraway's retirement. I wanted this body to know that I've asked HR prior to filling the director's position to take a look at that position and if it needs reevaluation or read, vamping the job description, again, the public committee together before anybody's in this position to take a look at that, make whatever recommendation they so desire. But I would like this body to consider not only after this evaluation process is done to go out and seek a new director for our museums and then give that person, hopefully we can find somebody without too long of an extended period of time, give that person the opportunity to fill the other museum position that we at one point in time said we're going to put off to budget. Those folks are really operating short-handed down there and I don't want to do that to them any longer than we have to. But I want this body to know that that's the direction that I'd like to go and I'd like to know if you don't agree. Are you okay with that? Okay with that. Okay. Well the committee also look at the, I mean if... The committee has already looked at the vacant museum position and they asked them to look at the director's position also before we post it for... Yeah but will the committee also look at the salary range? Yes sir. Yes sir. Hopefully the look at the salary range? Yes sir. Yes sir. Hopefully the reduction of the salary range. Yes sir. Well that we'll see what they recommend. That would be my recommendation but we'll see what they recommend. Okay I just wanted everybody to know that up front here so it doesn't come as a big surprise and we'd have the prior discussion about waiting for budget and I just don't think that's fair to the museum. Okay. All right, Donna, I want to express my appreciation and I know I speak for the other members of the court. Y'all do a great job. We have very appreciative of you and all the department heads and elected officials that assist you. But the collective effort of the y'all really makes our job a lot easier. It really does. I hear horror stories in other areas, whether it be a municipality or a commissioners court. And this is a reason that y'all continue to get awards each year for your fantastic work on the budget. And once again, you've done a great job, and I agree with you, our department heads and elected officials. Everybody realizes the tough economic times that we're in, except for these people that I haven't way too much fun over here. I don't know what's going on there, but it just needed to be said that we really appreciate everybody putting their nose to the grindstone here because it's just easy to get tougher and tougher every year, doesn't it? It really does and again, I appreciate the pad on the back. You bet. It's a hard one. And our goal is to make it easier for departments that provide a budget they can live with and to make your jobs as easy as we can. I thank you very much. I hope the front page of the Dallas Morning News is right that Denton and Paul and County are going to be the fastest growing counties in the next 10 years. Again. Yeah, again. So I hope that they're pretty good. I think it's because of the excellent commission's court what do you have much to do. Thank you appreciate it. I agree with everything that you have said. Okay thank you once again members are there any other things that you need to discuss or have questions on? I believe we've completed everything on our agenda with FAT. We are adjourned. Everybody have a great day.