you you you you you I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to Commissioner Black. Commissioner Douglas. Here. Commissioner Gary. Vice Chair Goodman. Here. Chair Cardilla. Here. Thank you. And let us stand and do the pledge of allegiance, please. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. That's right. Public next on the agenda is public comment. I see nobody here. Madam Clerk, do you have any slips for anybody? I do not. You do not. Okay. So let's go into our closed session, which is excusing Madam Clerk and waiting from the all-clear signal from David. Does that sound right, Mr. Murowski? Okay, we're back from the closed session and we're in public session and Mr. Murowsky should I announce the results of what happened in the so we considered the problem cause determination for the complaint C24 or 0105 and it was dismissed for lack of problem because we were in closed session. Next is there anything else to report on that for? That's the end of that item. All right, so the next would be the 3A Executive Director Report. Yes, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to give you a brief update on Senate Bill 7014. I'm not sure if you've heard the bad news, but the governor signed that bill on June 21st of this year. And that was the bill that essentially takes away the authority of local ethics commissions to self initiate investigations, which was something that's was in our charter and well it's still in our charter, we just can't do anything about it now. So that is the current state of the law regarding local ethics commissions. I have been communicating with my fellow ethics commission executive directors, you know, there's four other local ethics commissions throughout the state. And we kind of have been, we did launch a sort of a campaign to the governor to urge him to not to sign that, which was ignored. But now we're trying to figure out what next steps we might be able to take. There was some talk of filing some sort of legal action against the new law. Not quite sure that that's the way to go. There's a fallback plan of filing some sort of deck action to chart a clarify now where we stand under this new law. And there's also some talk about perhaps waiting till the next legislative session to see if we can make some friendly amendments to the bill that just clarifies a few things. It may not give us the authority back, but it could give us at least to be on equal footing with the State Ethics Commission. Because under the state and Mr. Dunbar, I'm sure you're well aware of this footing with the State Ethics Commission, because under the State and Mr. Dunbar, I'm sure you're well aware of this, under the State Ethics Commission, they have the explicit authority to accept referrals from certain agencies, I believe, from like the State Attorney's Office or other agencies. So if for example, we received a referral from someone, not a complaint, but just a referral, would we have the authority then to investigate that and would that be considered a self-initiation? So we're having some discussions. In fact, I think we're going to have a Zoom meeting this Friday again with my colleagues and we're trying to all get on the same page some sort of strategy to to combat what what I consider to be Something that has made me not a disantist supporter anymore. I think it's an egregious an egregious violation But that's where we're moving on the on the 7014 Any questions about question Mr. Chairman. I'd like to ask Mr. Dunbar, I just comment briefly on this. I know he's very aware of the process and the people involved and just like to have benefited of your thoughts and recommendations. Commissioner, two thoughts. First sort of in a legal context. There are some subtle changes on other parts. I don't know, I'm sorry. Can you make that louder? How about now? How's, can you hear me all right now? Yes. So two thoughts. One more from a legal context. There are some subtle differences on procedural filings of complaints. are some subtle differences on procedural filings of complaints. Our charter is similar. The state, the new law that follows the 7,14, there ought to be, I think, some conforming changes to be considered perhaps at your September meeting. The other thing is probably more political and practical, but Mike's suggestion that we consider whether referrals fall into self-initiated versus no, we can actually do them. I think I would consider affirmatively saying we can do it and add that to the charter. So, Commissioner, those are my two thoughts on it. Thank you, Pete. Okay. So, the only other item that I have is I have someone contacted me and pointed out that the e-mail addresses of the ethics commissioners are not listed on our website. And pointed that out and suggested to me that they should be listed on the website. My recollection is that we had a discussion about this around the time that Mr. Lehman and I were putting together the website and I don't remember if it was a group discussion or it was just me and Mr. Lehman, but I remember him saying, no, we want all the communications to go through the executive director and we don't want people just emailing us with questions because all we're going to do is turn around and send them to you anyway. And that was the reason why we did not put your contact information on the website. So this particular person asked me, she thought that they should be on there. Again, she made a public records request, which I, I mean, they're public records, so I gave, I gave her your email addresses. I don't know if she's contacted you, but do you want those to be up on the website or continue to leave them off? Any comments? I'm okay with hearing what we've been doing this far is just having the communications go through you. I think that's the better practice. I don't know if you're asking my preference, that's how I would see it. I don't think if you're asking my preference, that's how I would see it. I agree because if something comes to me, I'm only going to forward it to you. So it's just sort of a waste of time. I didn't know. Right, that's what I thought. So, okay, I promised her that I would ask you, and so I've kept my promise. And that's all I have. That's it for the Executive Report. Any comments or questions from my fellow commissioners? Seeing none, let us move on to 3B public comment. Nobody is present and there are no slips, Madam Clerk, for anyone to speak. No, sir. We are on to 3C future meeting September 3rd and November 5th of this year. That's it. And seeing no other business before the board, I would entertain a motion to adjourn. I recommend we adjourn. No opposition, we are adjourned. you you you you you