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Actually I went into the cloud the only way I would get my contact list is if I had internet the internet connectivity is through my... I'd like to call to order the Stomach Village Town Council for September 23rd, 2013. First item we have is roll call, please, Ronda. Here? is roll call please Ronda here very good next we'll move on to public non-agenda items is there anyone out audience would like to stand up and make a comment please step forward to the microphone state your name for. Hi, I'm Lisa Wilkinson and I was just disappointed to hear about the village market news and I think I bring it to the council's attention because a lot of people in the community feel this has been a business that's been serving the community residents and visitors for a long time very well and it's I, I feel, related, of course, can do what they want. It is a business decision. It might have been, I would like to encourage them to, at least, ask the current employees of the market to invite them to apply for jobs in the future market. But the reason I think that Council may be of interest in this because My recollection is when the original redevelopment was being approved and there was talk about closing the market. I remember them talking about having temporary market be Put up to serve people during any potential closure So I just wanted to voice that concern that at this point I don't hear anything about that happening during a four month closure which does tip into our visitor season and the sales tax season. Thank you Lisa. Yeah this has been a very, I think we've all gotten calls and emails. It is a concern. The bill's market has been a family member for us all for a lot of years. I will say that I've had this morning I went and met with the folks from the village market and talked a little bit. And I've also gotten a call from related. And you know, it sounds like there's a press release coming out of related so you'll hear a little bit more. It is a concern, but I think honestly, Lisa, your last point, I was on the council back in those days and we never got through and finalized that last discussion. There were numbers like you have to be a certain percentage of grocery, certain percentage of community serving businesses. A whole bunch of those things did happen, but then Nick Coates pulled it and then we started talking about base village, so we never got it finalized. So those things are correct and I've had people saying the same thing and I sort of remembered some of that, but we never got that sealed. So those things never did come to be in fruition, but in grain and stone, what would happen or not happen? Unfortunately at that point. not fruition, but in grain and stone, what would happen or not happen? Unfortunately, at that point. But it does sound like with your point of grocery store that it sounds like Tom Clark has said that the last few stores he's taken over, they've retained 90% of the employees. So what that's worth, I'm sure there'll be some more discussions going on. I am leading town tomorrow morning for a little bit, but it's something that's worth I'm sure there'll be some more discussions going on. I am leading town tomorrow morning for a little bit But you know, it's something that's near and dear to a lot of us Mr. Rosanal I've had an awful lot of people talking to me about how Sad it is to lose this the way to lose what we've got here and what we have here is really very special It's not just an ordinary grocery store. It's very very special to the community and If Clarks comes in Clarks is a good store, but it's not going to be the same as what we have now and I was talking to the owner today who was in Mr. Bucksbaum. And he's... Bucksbaum? Like John Bucksbaum's son. John Bucksbaum. Yeah. And he's very sad about what's happening. He doesn't like to see the town lose it. I have no idea what the answer is. And I came here tonight to see if somebody, that you or somebody else has some brilliant ideas or Gary Sue maybe come up with some ideas of what we can do because an awful lot of people are screaming bloody murder about this thing. And I'm just hoping that I don't know. I don't know. Gary, you've been around business a long time. You know, if you were, you've been around business world a long time and you understand leasing and ownership, you know, can the government do anything that they, you know, like that? What would, what might be one of your suggestions to, to do? I don't have any suggestions. I'm looking for one. Yeah. Well, maybe we could buy the whole darn thing. I don't have any suggestions, I'm looking for one. Yeah, well, maybe we could buy the whole darn thing. You know, we could buy the center, you know, and say, you know, we'll pay whatever the dollar is to keep the grocery store there, or we could then rent it out, but that's gonna be a lot more of a number. I think at some point, that might be a little bit difficult to swallow, making those tax payments to buy that thing. But honestly, other than stating that we're very concerned and we want to make sure that you take care of your friends and the build market is one of our friends and I don't personally have the magic bullet to save anybody. Maybe Gary has some ideas. Well Gary has basically said there are a couple of options. One of them is to buy anybody. Maybe Gary has some ideas. Well Gary has basically said there are a couple of options. One of them is to buy it. Yeah. Condemnit say it's all, you know, it's something worth saving and we'll subsidize it. But no, there's no, we talk today and there's really no great options to maintain that business in this location. You know, it's part of negotiations and, we don't know the whole other side of the equation. We, I was here 34 years ago, and the first year of the village market, and I've seen these guys suffering like the rest of us through the thin times in the early days, and they've done a little better every year, but, you know, and they put money in. But, you know, we don't really have all the understanding and it's not really our position. Unfortunately, otherwise I would have done it the game differently. I think everybody would have. But it's seeing somebody go away. It's almost like a divorce. You know, someone's kicking you out of the house. You know, I haven't gone through a divorce like goodness yet. But you know, to me, it feels it is separation of the family and this is something that is going to be a change. But maybe there could be a public vote in the idea that this Gary was saying that the public generally could vote for everybody coming in on it, pitching in a little bit. But you know, that's always possible and I just said, but that's always possible, isn't that just it? Because if someone puts an initiative forward, we could work on it. Gary? Basically, the same thing you said, Mayor, when I talked to Mr. Rosenaut earlier, and I said, we have options to do nothing. Is it government's role to intervene between a landlord, tenant relationship? Most people, especially nowadays, with the devices, they would say no. Governments should stay out of it. I think there's too much government. There's a lot of opinions out there like that. There might be some zoning conditions or something we could look at and see if there's some conditions that would transfer with the lease, but that's probably a stretch. And then finally, it's just what you said. When there's a treasured asset in a community and the people want to save it, they'd have to tax themselves to save it and basically buy it. So I think you came up with the solution, but it would be up to the citizens to organize and get, you know, find a legal part put together and figure out the taxation, get a finance person, and put it to vote to the people. Pretty significant effort, but it's certainly an option that's out there. I mean, the other thing is just to let your opinion be known and if it is really something that you care a lot about, write the letters to the editor, write the letters to the landlord and let them know you're not happy about it. Yeah. Option number four. Yep. There you go. Hey, the Elts. Thank you, Gary. There you go. Hey, the Elts. Thank you, Gary. Thank you, Lisa. Keep in tune. Anybody else? You know we'll see what we can do. But if anybody out there has a great idea, bring it forward. Any other public, non-agent items? Hearing none, let's move on to council updates. Mr. Haver. Yeah, just so I was going to mention the market too. I've definitely heard from folks on the street here concerned about that. And glad we got to talk a little bit about it here tonight. Also disappointed again to see Crablinic back in the news. Black eye on the community,linic back in the news. Black eye on the community, I think, in my opinion. And ongoing source of negative press for our village and a source of concern for me, I think, given that that is on town-owned land. And we are involved implicitly by allowing that to continue. I'd be in favor of revisiting that issue in light of ongoing concern about their operation. Okay. Let's see here. I have nothing for today to written down. Chris? Um, just going to take a minute. When I was on the EAB, we went through a process that ultimately wasn't successful that I thought might be good. And I thought I'd just bring it to council and you guys can shut me down if you want over time. But, um, at the time I wanted to put together book list because I thought working in a board and commission, you have disparate views and you don't really understand where people are coming from and we could never agree on a book list. So now I figured I have a little bit of a bully pulpit here. I'll just announce some books I like and if anybody wants to read them they can. Kind of be like Oprah and Snowmass or something. But the main reason I decided to do it is that in light of our recent state kind of catastrophes with the flooding in the destruction and especially the infrastructure cost, this book that I read a year or so ago, Earth by Bill McKibben, goes into a lot of the question at irrespective of whether you, what you think climb to change was caused by, it goes into the aspect of what are the cost analysis of these increasing infrastructural problems that we're having. So, at the last thing, I read the Fed's coughed up about 15 million, but they're looking at about 100 million in damage. And they spend some time talking about this in a book and this book and for towns like us. When we have things like bridges, roadways, they're bonded out 30, 40 years, and you lose them in a consistent basis or an unpredictable basis, how would you ever catch up? And there's some pretty interesting numbers about what the whole total federal economy would be looking at, but also for small towns. And I just thought in light of coming towards our budget procedures and just putting it out there for everyone to think about. Thank you, Chris. Yep. Fred. Nothing. Thank you. Let's move on to item number four. Update on North West Cog current program in other projects. Lisa. Hi. Liz. I'm Liz Mullin. I'm the executive director of the Northwest Colorado Council of Governments. I just wanted to come today to give you an update and some of things we've been working on. I also had a request to talk to you a little bit about our elevator program and then be here to answer any questions you might have. I believe you have this brochure in your packet. And really all I'm focusing on today is that last page of the 2013 highlights. These are some new things that have come up this year. North Los Cog has been selected as one of the six assistance hubs in the state. We're working with the Connect for Health Colorado. This means we're the liaison between the state and the local assistance sites and their health insurance guides. And those are the folks that are working with individuals and businesses to counsel them on what other options are with the new health insurance programs that are being rolled out. So our role is to make sure that all the health insurance guides get the training that they need. They get the marketing materials they need. And we help with the marketing and outreach coordinating it regionally. We're covering nine counties for that. So that's a new program for us. We have funding for 18 months from the state to kind of get this started. And we've hired a hub coordinator. Her name's TJ DeFrain. And she's working with all the folks around the region to help get this new program up and running. Northas Cog, as you know, has been working all year on developing a regional strategic plan for broadband. We're presenting an overview of the draft of this plan and specifically the recommendations that are coming out of this plan on Thursday and when it springs to the Northwest Cog Council. There is a long list of recommendations and they range from helping local jurisdictions be broadband friendly and developing policies towards that. Things like the Dig1's policy. Anytime you open up a street, you put in some conduit so that when broadband providers come to your community, it's cheaper for them to provide service. All the way down to actually raising money to build infrastructure where infrastructure is lacking. So that's a discussion. Hopefully Jason Haber will be able to attend on Thursday. It's our annual strategic planning meeting. The plan will be finalized by the end of this year, and then the council will also be deciding on which of those recommendations are actually going to start implementing next year. So it's one thing to have a plan, but really the plan's not valuable unless we start implementing it, and that's the intention of the COG for next year. We've been able to reestablish the Northwest loan fund. This is a revolving loan fund for businesses. Either new businesses are starting up for the first time or an existing business that is looking for money to expand or some working capital. The goal of these funds is to create jobs. So for every $20,000 we loan out, we need to create one job or retain one job. This program's been going on for 30 years, but it needed to be recapitalized and we've been able to get a half million dollars back into it initially. And then we have the right to go back for more funding once we loan out that first half million dollars. So we are now taking applications and are ready to start making loans. So if you know of anyone in your community, please send them our way. Very good. This is our first year as an economic development district. It took us three years to get that designation from the federal government. But now we actually get funding so we can work on economic development projects. The first year has been a lot of organizing. We do have a working group that meets every other month. We have about 30 people from around the region that attend those meetings and we have an economic development district board. They're also meeting this Thursday to develop the scope of work for next year. We have a smart growth workshop about a month ago and there's some really interesting things came out of that. And those are the things we're going to be discussing as part of our scope of work from moving forward. Some of those recommendations are looking at how to diversify our economy. We're very good at tourism. We're very good at importing people. And what can we do to start developing businesses that export something. And building on our tourism and outdoor recreation strength, which is our number one industry. So that's another discussion that I'll be taking place on Thursday. We've launched the network of care website. This is a service directory for seniors and disabled folks and veterans. Just some history on this, Eagle County, some at county and Pick and County, each had their own network of care website, and they weren't able to keep it going because it cost about $18,000 a year. Northwest Cogs been able to piggyback on Pike's Peaks contract, so we've been able to get it for all five of our counties for $6,000 a year. So we've been filling up that service directory database able to get it for all five of our counties for $6,000 a year. So we've been filling up that service directory database with information on services, service providers from around the region. And we've just launched it this month. Our staff is going around meeting with senior groups to actually show them how to use the website and help them understand how it can benefit them. The website address should be on your brochure. The rest of the brochure kind of talks about all of our programs, but I understand the elevator inspection program. Snowmass Village is not participating at the moment, so just to give you an overview of what our program is. We have three qualified elevator inspectors. We inspect about 1,800 elevators and we have agreements with probably about 30 jurisdictions. And we have an agreement with the state being the authority having jurisdictions. So we have that all set up. We keep a database so every month we print out which elevators are due for inspection. And as you know if you adopt the International Building Code that requires each jurisdiction to make sure they're elevators, their commercial elevators are inspected once every year. So we print out a list. Our elevator inspectors show up, inspect the elevators. They provide a report if there's any deficiencies to the maintenance companies and to the building owner. We do all the building directly to the building owner and we issue the certificates. And then we share all of our records with the state to make sure they have all the records that they need. We charge $225 per elevator if it's in a Northwest Cog Member jurisdiction. For non-Northwest Cog Member jurisdictions we charge $300. And for a Northwest Cog Member, such as Snowmass Village, if you have an elevator in your town hall, we only charge $100 for your inspection. Okay, very good. Are there any questions or anything else you'd like for me to talk about while I'm here? I mean, I think we do have, and I left my piece of paper. I think we do have our own elevator inspection program. That's why we've, you know, pretty much been doing this on our own for a number of years and it looks like it's fairly efficient. And so I'm not I'm really not too interested in of the council may choose to, you know, say, let's look at that. But personally, what I've seen, I like what I have. I also have some friends in the Elvier maintenance field out in Grand Junction and I get stories from everybody about all sorts of different things. So I'm pretty happy with our inspector and what we do have right now. So I'd like to know a little more about it. I don't know what our program is with the town, what we charge to our businesses, who does our inspection. I don't know really anything about it. I'd love to hear more of the details and understand, have a point of comparison, I look at at least to understand how it compares to what they're offering. I mean, and here are the details of why we wouldn't want to look at this program. I think we do have that, and in the future we'll get that together so that we can look at some of that stuff for you and we'll get building it. He's producing that. Yeah, excuse me. Mayor, I have a memo from Mochael Art Chief Building Official just kind of outlining the reasons why he suggests versus relationship. And I'm happy to share that with you. We can do that now or we can do that offline after meeting or at your convenience. So whatever. Probably worthwhile discussion in a future agenda so that we can have that all together and before we get there and read it. I don't think we need to do it today. Yeah, if you could just email that memo to us as a follow up to this meeting. Sure. And we can go from there with the discussion. Sounds good. Happy to do so. Thank you. Other questions we might have for Liz and other stuff Liz may want to say. So how does economic development district program unfolds? You're now in your planning and then what happens next? Well, we're going to develop a scope of work. We get about $54,000. We match that dollar for dollar with Northwest Cogdews and that goes to completing whatever the scope of work is that the board decides on. So we have, and we've aligned our scope of work with the State's Blueprint initiative that they've been launching. So a lot of our goals and categories align so that we can take advantage of some of the things they're doing. For example, they have launched this insight database. It's for companies are looking to locate and are looking for property. And we are allowed to have a regional one for free. So someone could, we could get people looking just at the region or and drilling down on some smaller properties that maybe the state doesn't want to show on a state wide range. So that's one thing we're working on. We're working to launch a healthcare sector partnership to kind of look at the workforce for healthcare. That's our second biggest industry in this region. So working with the hospitals and all the different health and wellness businesses to say what can we do to help you overcome some barriers in getting the workforce that you need and other things that may be barriers for them. We're also looking at as a follow up to this smart growth workshop, do we want to develop a network where we can bring the angel investors together with the entrepreneurs in the region? Do we want to become kind of the key place for outdoor recreation equipment where we start some new businesses that are kind of innovative and looking at that because this is where they can test it out. This is a good place for headquarters. And then if if the headquarters in Snowmass or Aspen or one of those more resort areas, can we put them together with a crumbling or another town that would be interested in the light manufacturing piece? So those are all types of things we're talking about. That's great. Very good. Any else? I'll just say really quickly as the Board lays on to Northwest Cog, I've found it really interesting and valuable to attend their meetings and sit in on the smart growth workshop and some of these economic development meetings and just hear, you know, from a regional perspective, what other communities are thinking about and some of the issues that are popping up and opportunities that are popping up in terms of working on some of these issues collaboratively. So I appreciate the work of the COG and it's valuable and I've enjoyed being part of it. Thank you. So you think it's worthwhile next year being a member again? I do. Okay. I do. Okay. I just like to mention that with the $200,000 we collected in dues, we are able to bring about $4 million into the region this year to run these programs. And we couldn't do that without the member dues. So thank you for your membership. Thank you for supporting these programs. And these are all, this is funding that individual jurisdictions are not eligible for on their own, they're only for regional programs. So without a regional organization, that funding would go elsewhere. With this last sort of rains and the environmental issues, are you guys, as Northwest Cog, having anything like that, they have resources to help with communities or having problems or. We don't have any particular resources coming through us at the moment and we haven't heard that there's any sometimes if dola is pushing money out or where the fiscal agent for the all hazards region there's some special funding that's getting pushed out to the region they will come to the council of governments and have us manage that for them. Okay. Well, good. Well, thank you very much. Anything else? Oh, I guess so. Just one thing. The Northwest Lone Fund? Yes. In terms of getting that information out to our businesses, do you have some information that we can just pass on to kind of our business community? We'll point them in the direction. Yeah, you can point them to our website and then we're putting together some marketing materials and Anita Cameron is our loan officer. She's been working with all the local banks to try and develop some relationships for them. One of the requirements of the loan fund is that they get a turn down from their local bank because we don't want to take business away from the banks we want to work with the banks to kind of fill that gap or to fund the higher risk folks and maybe they can't fund. And actually we've had a couple people when we've said we'll go to your bank and get a turn down letter and they turn to they ended up getting funding getting some alone. So that's we've been able to put some people together with some resources even though it's not us. We're happy to kind of make sure we're able to know what all their options are. But that's kind of how we're marketing it through the chambers, through the banks directly. So if someone comes in looking for a loan, they know to refer them to us and vice versa through the Small business development center. That's the group that helps people write their business plan if they're just getting started. So we're working with all of those groups to market our program. Okay. And so your website is nw for Northwest Colorado. So nwccG.org. So Northwest Colorado, Townslet of Governments.org. NWCCOG. For those that want to get into it, it looks like pretty nice information there. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you, Liz. Let's move on. Item number five. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. Can we just ask the couple gentlemen have arrived and haven't signed in. If they could sign in for me since I don't know them. Okay. Anyone who's here, please sign in the back for Ronda. Make sure we have you in our packet information for the future for. Anyway. in our packet information for the future. For anyway. Next we have item number five. This is SGM Capital Reserve Plan for town assets. We're in. Hi. Nick is on his way up. He just flew in from Minnesota. So he's running like 15 minutes late. If you have technical questions about the components in the building, then we'll need to wait for him. If you have a seat, we can get started on budget. Yeah, let's. Yeah, we'll see if we have some questions. But I think your report and the report is very good about that. Why don't we knock out Andy's? We're not going to. I'm just waiting for somebody to. That's 15 minutes out. So I tried. Put your microphone closer to you, Maryam. Thank you. Thank you. OK. To use. The FAB has been recommending that a capital reserve plan be put together for the town assets, the equipment, the snowmout boilers that are part of our town asset fund, and including the maintenance plan. And so the council had approved some one time dollars to be spent to hire SGM to put together a plan. They put together a comprehensive plan. And the attachment has this in your packet, which is lists of the buildings and their analysis. It's called the assessment plan. And at your meeting in May, you approved this sheet here, the repair maintenance costs. So the repair costs are the one time. Those were items that the report identified that needed to be done right away. And Nick has begun working on those as well as these annual maintenance costs. And so that is part of your packet. And the next sheet that you should pay attention to is this capital reserve per fund summary and what this does is it took all of the numbers. Sorry, can you give us a reference in the packet? The page. One of those spreadsheet pages. Yes. It is page 69 through 71. And what this page does is it breaks out the SGM put together, all of the numbers that needed to be reserved for, which included all of the components per building. And that's all of the sheets that you have beyond these sheets, so that would be pages 72 through, I think it's like 113. And that just to show you how comprehensive the plan is, it went through every building and it lists all of the components. And it took what they estimated the replacement cost to be and then spread it out over the number of years. So we took those numbers, the finance department and we put together which is all of these summary, these detail sheets that you have in your packet. So this list, the building, it lists all the components and it goes out to the year 2033. So it's a 20 year reserve plan. And so then we put together these summary sheets which shows you what the reserve contribution is, how much is used and what years and then what the balances in that reserve fund. So those are totally unreadable in our packet. Pardon? Those are unillegible. Yeah, and I talked to Rhonda. I said I would put together. I know Doug tried to do whatever he could try to save your eyes and give you that information. So we have two packets here that I'm happy to hand out to you if you'd like to just kind of walk through them. This shows all the backup for the plan. So the intention was originally for Hunt to review the plan with you before he retired and that did not get on the agenda so I wanted to make sure that Council had a chance to look at these because these numbers have been approved by the Financial Advisory Board and we did have a budget, their budget meeting this month on the 11th and all of these numbers are currently part of all the budget, the budget summaries that you will see on October 9th. Very good. So Mary, and what did we do before we had this wealth of information that looks like you guys and Nick spent a lot of time with SGM's, you know, work to put this stuff together? What kind of stuff would governments, what we do in the past just take care of it? We wouldn't have those kind of reserves. We weren't being proactive, I would say we were being more reactive when something broke or if something was falling apart, we'd go in and get it fixed. This basically, and plus if you remember during last year's budget process, you approved an additional staff person for facility maintenance. And so right now, Nick is fully staffed. And so they are starting to try to attack all of these items the one time and the maintenance items and where they may not have the expertise or where they may not have the expertise or where they may not have the time, then these funds should cover hiring somebody to come and help them do that. So we're trying to be proactive, extend the life of the boilers or the filter systems or whatever that they have out there. So. That means it's very good. I think it looks like it's a very complete list as far as I could when I read through it that we have of all our equipment, you know, that's the capital stuff. And the Financial Advisory Board put together a subcommittee to go through the plan extensively and take a look through it. A couple of the members have experience with these types of buildings. Okay. And questions. The question I asked you, because as you know, you couldn't read this in the packet. And the major question I had was, you've got this is, the capital funds are in the budget for this coming year for 2014 correct? They are actually in through 2018, which is the five year budget that you guys will be seen on October 11th. And it has the one time cost, the annual costs and the reserve funds are all within there. And right now they're all showing as being funded, but you'll see when we get to the budget that it does strain the rep fund and the road fund also. I think there's a year or two that road overlays will be very tight. But we put together a list of financial options or financial considerations. Some ideas for the financial advisory board to kick around to talk about how we can best take care of some of the financial constraints in those funds. And we're going to be doing that over this next year in presenting a recommendation to the town council. I guess the next question I would have is how likely is it that both the repair items and the capital replacement items will get done in the year for which it's budgeted? As of right now they're fully funded so they should get done. Okay. That's great. That's terrific. It really is. I just had to curious, I think what did this plan cost us? $42,000. Yeah, there's a lot of detail here. And I think it's a fantastic baseline. It was, you know, looking at this, I've had to do this with my associations and my things in a very limited amount. But I know it takes a lot of energy. And it's not something that generally governments have used to do or have been doing in the past, right? They've been trying to do more of it. Yeah, for the same reason is it just saves money down the road instead of having to replace something earlier than its life. The housing funds have reserved funds in there, but the Financial Advice report would like to take a look at those and this kind of a detail as well and just assure themselves that all of those buildings also are cared for in the same manner. I think it's appropriate to continue with that process and let them have an idea and look at Joe's work. I know Joe for years has been looking at that and maintaining that stock and that good. Yeah, he has his roofs and his boilers and his laundry equipment. All of those are all part of his reserve funds. Groves in his boilers, in his laundry equipment, all of those are all part of his reserve funds. Comments on the other. I just like the financial advisory board for what is clearly an incredible amount of work. And to have the talent out of the board to be able to have that subcommittee really go through this with a fine tooth coba. We're really very, very fortunate. So thank you to the financial advisory board. I will pass that on if they have not heard. Very good. Any other detailed questions we want to reserve for Nick? Or can we let that go? And we'll use this as a great reference point. And you know, looking document as we find things change. We need to do we need to move to adopt the plan. No, really? No, you do that through the the plan. No, really? No, you do that through the budget process. Oh, right. What's the action for us today? No, just, I mean, you can direct staff to make sure they, you know, follow the plan and include it in the budget. I mean, it's a working document that's added to our list of responsibilities and to maintain a good funding source, you know, a maintain that as an appropriate funding, I think it sets a good stage for us for the future. Gary, anything you've seen in other communities doing this kind of stuff? Well, I've seen the start with utility companies where they started to look at, because of the capital intensity of utilities, water, sewer, lift stations, pumps, all those sorts of things where I saw this in California where they started to do these complete life cycle plans that spanned the entire life of those long-term utilities and they started incorporating replacement maintenance into their rates and it was pretty progressive thinking. So to see that you guys were doing that here with our facilities and equipment, I think that again, it's a progressive step forward. My main question was when you do these at first cut, and we took some runs at these with our fleet replacement program here back in the 90s, tend to be a little bit too conservative. So sometimes the numbers are too fat. Or the life cycle might be too short where you get 25 year boiler and you're looking to replace it at 15 years when you might be able to get another five or more years out of it. So my question was have you guys been through this with a fine tooth comb, challenge the assumptions and the answer was yes, they've been through it and they came up with a level of detail that's satisfied me that I think we've got a good plan here. And you said it may or it's a living document as we go through this and implement it will live and it will be modified as we apply it in real time. And similar to our vehicle replacement plan, if a vehicle doesn't need to be replaced, we don't replace it just because the money's there. We move it out until it needs to be replaced. And we would do the same with this plan as well. It'll have to be updated on an annual basis. But yeah, sometimes you get people to say, well, it says in the schedule that we're going to buy a whole new X next year, you know, and people go, no, we don't need to do that. We have good life here, or the efficiencies are such that it's still working versus hiring more people to take care of this stuff. Where is the balancing point? So you, Mary, I appreciate you and your staff and everybody else doing this because it's going to, I think, help this community for a number of years. Thank you. Anything else? Thank you very much, man. Okay. He'll be really have everybody here. You need fantastic. We're going to move on now to item number six. This is a title deadline trail funding request. I guess there's a deadline to this. So let's hear it. Okay, good evening. First of all, I'd like to introduce Ted O'Brien to everybody who has not met him yet. He is our new Parks and Trails manager. He's been with us since June 1st and we're super excited that he's on board. Hello, Ted. Mr. Mayor, we are here to request funding for the deadline trail. In our memo, we've spelled out what this project is about. I assume that you have read that. I'll go through some high points that we want to point out, and then you can ask questions of us. Sounds good. On Thursday night, last Thursday night at our trails committee meeting, we heard from the city of Aspen and Pick and County that they have committed matching funds to this project. So they're on board and the private donor is on board with the roughly $25,000 for this project. So we're the last piece. So this will be a two mile multi-use trail and it will be built to minimize user conflict. This is still a partnership between Pick and County City of Aspen and Town of Snowmass Village on everything that happens at Sky Mountain Park. The deadline trail could be built this year, weather permitting. Good to see this note today, but weather permitting the trail could be built this year and then with the snowfall sitting on that trail all year long, it'll be ready to go as soon as it dries out next year. It's a great addition to the overall trail system in Snowmass and it'll complement all of our current trails as well as Asmonskiy company and all the trails on Sky Mountain Park. Basically we're getting a $50,000 trail for $8,500. The funds will come from the general fund, unappropriated fund balance and staff recommends proving the funds for this trail. Very good. Thank you. Questions? What is the fund balance in the general fund unappropriated fund balance? I'd have to look. I think it's eight or nine million. It's like seven and a half at one point. We have our reserves which we're demanding. I was gonna Smerry and I believe because I knew that question. I think at this point we're we're pretty healthy in that Feels comfortable. Okay, so We wouldn't be recommending So the motion from mr. Cooker. Second. Second by Chris. Further discussion? All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Get up, Bill. Awesome. Nice to meet you, Ted. Nice to meet you, guys, too. Go Broncos. Are we getting a fish? If you guys get a chance and you run into Ted offline around the field, talk to him. He's a wealth of knowledge and a real asset with the town. I thought he'd get the plumber. Thank you for creating this opportunity for me to be here too. Thank you. Glad to have you. Okay. Let's move on then. Item number seven. Resolution 26, 2013 appointing new members to the marketing group sales and special events board and to the part-time resident advisory board. We've got Rhonda's name here. Yes or no, we had a position that we had not filled on the part-time residents homeowners board and Muriel, you, you, you, I don't know, you litch, I guess. I can't pronounce the last name. It's not in town and wouldn't be, wasn't able, but she has been endorsed by the board. And then we also had a resignation from David Perry from the Aspen Scheme Company. And we have a application that was submitted by, is it Christian? Yeah, Christian nap, is Christian here? Yeah. Is it Christian? Like, Christian nap, is Christian here? Yeah, is it Christian? Yeah, Christian or Christian, how do you? Go okay, very good. So, Christians available for an interview if you would like to ask any questions of them. And of course, I recommend, I recommend, recommend approval, thank you. Very good, so we've got a resolution there, of course, to do that. Questions we might have, this is partially as we know, David Perry has been in the seat. Come on up here, Christian. David has been in that seat for a number of years and Christian sort of taking over that role. Tell us a little bit about yourself, Christian, and why we should consider your appointment. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. I've gotten to know some of you outside of this room as well as in this room I've been here to present a few times. I've been with Aspen's Scheme Company now for just over two years. Prior to that I served with Vale Resorts and various marketing capacities for approximately 13 years and always in marketing goals. And currently I'm the head of marketing for Aspen's Scheme Company, vice president marketing, handle all communications marketing, and the team. Some of the things I do in that capacity obviously manage the team at Aspen and the marketing field. But also I work very closely with AIR. I was here presenting about AIR a few months ago. Developed Mountain Collective is our partnership and I manage that program with our partner resorts around North America. And a bunch of other stuff. Also in my role, I serve on a few boards. One that's of particular interest to this group is on the board of Colorado Tourism. So that's the government, governor appointed tourism role. I represent the ski industry on that board and I've been serving on that board for four years plus and serving out in a dish one year through a four year my second four year term. And so that's the entity that runs marketing for the state of Colorado about a $17 million budget fluct the fluctuates based on funding from the general fund and all that. It's pretty much fixed at $15 million. So really good synergies and learnings and takeaways that could be applied to the marketing board. Here at Snowmass, I've gotten to know Yon in the last few months as well and know pretty much all the players on this team here at Snowmass. And also serve on the board of Stasmus Snowmass, so our booking call to action as well. So this is an honor and a privilege to be part of this group as well. It's, you know, I have had the opportunity to sit through one of the more recent marketing board meetings. And I was very impressed with the caliber of the talent and the folks and the commitment of the people on the board itself. And David kind of gave me the nod to replace him as he moves to do other things. And I was the likely candidate to fill this position. Very good. Questions that Council may have. Chris, just because we have you here, it's not a hot seat questioning regarding your confirmation. That's right. Just from a marketing perspective, because it's a hot topic in this room sometimes. We're just learning about it and how you guys think about it. I was in a conversation the other day and the question of the degree to which sort of the wild west component is an important feature in marketing or attracting or providing the experience that international tourists want. And I just, to my mind, that seems sort of a vestigial kind of historical component that's important to our community but not necessarily one that has much of a promise in the future as things move forward and comparison to other things that are happening culturally in the world. I think there's a place for that. I think it probably does maybe resonate with an international guest more. I think the rodeo here at Snowmass is certainly is a beacon of that wild west heritage. However, I'd say this community has been significantly beaten to the punch on the Western brand position, where a steamboat in Jackson Hole have done an amazing job and own that brand. I think Jackson Hole's got kind of their, it's Wyoming, it's Western, and you know, even their logo is a, is a Bucking Bronco. And Steamboat has forever put their hat on Western heritage in small town town. So that being said, you know, I'd say in the consumer perception space that they own it, that's not to say that we don't have a place there. And I think there is really important Western heritage here. I think our community is very pastoral and just all the ranches and kind of what it has to offer. And I think the rodeo is a great asset. But it's not what we've typically led with, at least in Aspen's scheme companies' preview. We tend to focus on a more modern approach, sustainability, and the athletic achievement, experience in culture and arts that are differentiated here than some of our other competitors. And that was going to be my follow-up question on the other side, or following what you said, beyond just feeling good or being responsible company, do you feel that the company, the Aspen's Scheme Company's approach to to sustainability has a resonance in their ability to win customers or produce customers with that agenda? We don't do sustainability to win customers, right? We do it because it's the right thing to do. And we do survey our guests and ask them what, you know, if their decision has been made or what kind of impact did our sustainability stance have on their impact on their decision to choose asking something. It's fairly small. It's probably like 15% say in affirmative that it made an impact on their decision. So I think, yes, there is a small sector of society that will choose this destination because we're differentiated in that area. But I think, as I said before, it's the right thing to do. And we like to use AFSIM and SNOMAS, AFSIM skiing company as kind of a pulpit to basically mobilize the discussion of climate change and what that means to our industry long-term and our communities. And so I think we've done that pretty successfully. It's a lot bigger picture than just changing light bulbs and lead certified buildings, which we have done. It's things like doing the coal mine methane project where we're actually reducing carbon emissions from that capture facility and producing enough energy to run our four-up mountain operations in the course of a year. So if you pick up the, I got in my mailbox today, the new issue of ski, which is the western, the resort guide issue, and our ad actually got in the front pay. It's the first resort ad. It's a spread. And we're really, we didn't pay for that, that placement. They chose it because they like the ad, and it's a skier on a rail in front of the coal mine. And it kind of uses that strange juxtaposition to talk about what we're doing in a climate kind of way. And so we've used that in a soft subtle way, and I think it is resigning. And then you flip a few pages in, and there's a two page article on what we are doing as Asadam's scheme company to mobilize folks on climate change interview from Auden and everything. So in Power magazine, their first issue, had a huge write up as well on what's happening in climate. So I think that the industry is at a tipping point, and we're on the forefront of that, and I think we can continue to lead in that area. So it has enough positive resonance that you guys are happy to have those initiatives as part of your advertising agenda, and I guess if I were to recap what you're saying, if you're, let's say reporting to your board, you might look at it as a 15% conversion rate that those efforts are leading to customers that are leaning in that direction. They might make a decision based on that. That's correct. Another thing we did this year too, with the mountain collective partnership. Back in in early August, we announced that for the first time a past partnership has actually partnered with Protector Winners, which is a climate advocacy group. It's kind of the surf rider foundation of the ski industry, if you will. And we announced a historic partnership and everyone that buys a Mountain Collective Pass, this winter gets complimentary one year membership to join Protector Winners. And so far in just a few months we've generated, I believe over 600 new memberships for protect our winners because of that new alliance. So tangible results, you know, getting those folks into that program so that they can further understand how they can help and push those message. Thank you. Other questions? So is there anybody who's approved? Okay, there's a motion to approve. Second by Jason down here. For the discussion, all those in favor of Christian, please signify saying aye. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. And then the other person we have is what's the name of telling the same person. Okay. But yeah, I just want to go through because we don't have the opportunity to ask for any questions. But is there any, is there a motion to prove resolution number 26? Approval. That's Mr. Fred and second by Jason for the discussion. In that case, let's all those in favor of resolution number 26, please say goodbye saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? It passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you, Ronda. Now we're moving pretty fast here. We've got item number eight. This is a summer events lawn. And this is Mr. Professor as his hand up. It's not really a game, but I think Mr. Bratzke is probably about 70 by feet under the surface of the Pacific Ocean as we speak here right now. So he will not be joining us. I don't know if Young got detained. I think he was going to be here, but I've been in touch with both of them over the weekend in this morning about this. And their request is to undertake to build an events lawn between basically next to the VX, the edge of the plaza, where they can tenant and do all kinds of activities there. And I think you've all read the memo. The absolute details have not been worked out with the ski company. They haven't been worked out with, um, proper, I don't know what to call them anymore. Snowmass acquisition company, which I think we all finally referred to as related. They haven't worked out the details, but what they're asking from you today, your marketing board has already approved this. It's not in their budget for 2013. They want you to appropriate those funds in the amount of $150,000. The best estimates are $130,000. If you make that direction to staff today, they will go forward with the project. It's imperative in their opinion, and also our professional land scapers and the people that are gonna do the project that if we get this in, it will be usable next year. If we get this in this fall. So I would urge you to not put this off. And if you give that direction staff today by motion, it will be included in your ordinance amending the 2013 budget, which we've scheduled first reading for October 21st and second reading for November 4th. So I think you read it, you understand it. And if you have questions about the concept, I may or may not be able to answer them, but I will make every attempt to do so. It looks like Gary's trying to see if the lawns around, but this is a quite- This is a moving change in the marketing boards budget or our list. Yes. The marketing, it's coming out of the market completely. They have unappropriated reserves. Okay. And they're limited in terms of their capital expenditures. Just 10%. 10% of their annual. Annual. So that's great. I'm happy to see capital expenditure from that fund. Okay. We do have Jan just walking into the room at this moment. I think the suggestion has done a fabulous job. Jan, Jan's gone over most of the discussion. There have been a few questions. The request was for $150,000 out of the 2013 budget. Your budget there. And the council needs to appropriate that. Any other questions council has, other than reading what they've seen? One last thing I could point out to you. You saw the estimate and they wanted that buffer. So they don't have to come back to you in the middle of this process, but I would let you know that by second reading, we should have a final number and that could be the final appropriation in that budget amendment. So in the ski company's comfortable and all that stuff, it sounds like. We're real close. There's some details we have to work on in terms of the easements and the license agreements similar to what we had to do to do the Fannie Hill Concert. So they're all behind it. It's just a matter of details. And we have to be on your schedule to get ahead of appropriations, et cetera. So I think it's good to go. And all it takes here today is a direction to staff motion. Okay. And we can go forward and obviously that will allow the appropriation we made out of the marketing funds. Jason, just in the diagram, the reinforced lawn component, is that's a grass pavre or something? What's reinforced lawn? And then does that contemplate a road that a vehicle can drive up all the way up Fannie Hill? As far as the reinforced lawn, it's going to be a, it's going to be sawed that's going to be put down and that it's a bit of a stronger quality that I think that it's the same kind that we have at the baseball field that can support vehicles and traffic and so on and so forth. It can't be abused, but it can support a certain amount of wear and tear. Gotcha. So it's not a paper. Okay. Again, I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. Actually, Yon, you have a... I apologize. In the night, I just want to say I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. I just want if we say yes today and we approve this, are we fairly confident that we're getting in on the fall schedule that we're going to get this construction done? As of today, what we've decided, there's been discussions with Steve Suo from SkiCo and Mac is that there's going to be a little bit of work done mostly concrete and stairs in the fall and then any all the plowing and And major work is going to be done in the in at the end of ski season so that we will not interfere in any way shape or form with with preparations for winter So then let me revise my question if if that's because I was looking at it. Okay, there's little details to be hammered out, but if we get this thing done, it's done. And we can talk about, I don't know, least agreements or whatever the other issues are. But in terms of having a solidified approval and 100% approval and agreement that you can go forward and get this done, well, we have that before we start construction. We will, absolutely that that was one of the questions. Well, it sounds like it was one of the most project now. So I'd like to not have a protracted scenario. I'd like to know that we have 100% go. I received yesterday a letter from, I'm sorry, I'm the 21st of letter from SkiCo. And they made us aware of a number of questions that they had. Of primordial concern was the interference with their winter preparations, but we know that that's not going to be the case. The rest are discussions very similar to the ones that we had with Fannie Hill, which will be part of a memorandum of understanding that we will have with SkiCo and with related with regards to the use and so on and so forth. But we do need a go ahead in theory from council for the funding so that we can start, so we can proceed on both tracks because the discussions with SkiCo are going to be done by the end of the week pretty much. So you may be answered. So you think we'll be able to get all the details ironed out and be complete with our agreement by the end of the week? I am confident that that's where we're going. Yeah, absolutely. So Jason, and so this will be a town a town contract for the work is that correct? And in terms of procurement and RFP for that work is that going out or is that sole source? And that's consistent with our procurement policies. We don't have any requirement to bid projects. Okay, so there was a motion by Fred, second by myself for the discussion. I just have one question Jason. The volleyball tournament that we just had that we kind of got all excited about and this is something that's really going to grow next year. We're taking out a sound volleyball court here and I assume this lawn will be usable for grass courts for next. It will, it's gonna have a multi-use purpose. What we're really focusing right now is the ability to accommodate Wonderlust, which represents 2,500 room nights at an average of $175 a night, which gives us about 437,500 room revenue. Plus the answer we're spending, we're looking at a total estimated revenue for just one event of $831,000 and a total estimated tax revenue of $31,281. We're just basing those, and these are conservative numbers on this one event. And yes, there will be events where we have tents, there will be events where we'll put in sand, there will be all different types of events to utilize that space as much as possible, and create economic vitality for base village. and create economic vitality for base village. Okay, anything other questions? All in favor, please sit if I may sing on it. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Start going forward. Thank you very much, John. Thank you, gentlemen. Okay, next we have item number nine. This is a discussion. Actually, what? Can we take five, ten minutes before we jump into this one? We got to hour schedule for this, so I'd like to take a little break. Is item number nine, discussion ordinance one series 2013 ordinance to adopt the 2012 International Green Construction Code with amendments and we've got Crystal Kittles and Chris Green here so I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to come in. I'm going to ask you to I mentioned briefly, I was the American Institute of Architects representative of the Sustainable Buildings Technology Committee that helped draft the code. So pretty familiar with it. Jeff Dickinson, with BioSpace, has been involved in preparing this presentation. And with your indulgence, I'm going to move forward. Now I'm working off of my iPad here, so I may have to go back and forth a little bit because of operator error, but we may have to go back and forth a little bit because of Operator error, but we're going to give it a shot Tonight's presentation what we're going to talk about a little bit of background and sustainability Little bit of background and codes standards and ratings. There's a little bit of confusion about what's a code what's a standard Well outline will briefly review and I'm sure you're aware of it, this sustainability initiatives of snowmass. And then we're going to run through what the IGCC is, the breakout. Now, and I'm fully aware that there is some sporting event tonight that everybody wants to get to, so I'm going to kind of fly through this. Don't worry about that. We'll get through it. We're worried. Get two and only one of five. Get done with this thing. Give us a one. Then what we've been asked to do is take a look at how the International Green Construction Code, the IGCC, relates to other standards. So we've gone through that a little bit. There was a little bit of information in your packet and then a little bit of a financial discussion of the value of the IGCC and how it relates to some of the costs. So that's what we're going to do. So why are we headed in the direction of codes? Everybody gets concerned about cars and that sort of thing, but what we should really be looking at is what building resources are consumed in buildings. And so 40% prime energy use, 72% of the electrical consumption are consumed by buildings, 39% of the CO2 emissions. And buildings are responsible for 13.6% of the potable water consumption, although I'd venture to say that's probably a little higher. And this is more from a residential standpoint when you're starting to talk about builders versus contractors. But how do you define green? And this slide basically says there's multiple different ways of defining green from the very simple to some of the more holistic and complex manners of sustaining them, just providing sustainable buildings. perhaps one structure, one owner set of requirements is different than another, and so doesn't necessarily put a value judgment on that. Here's where we are. We've been at this point, but there's a market shift. And there's market shift because we're starting to see that green construction practices, and by the way, I use that term very carefully. I prefer to use the term sustainable or energy conservation or resource conservation. But there's a big shift now that we're seeing and toward increased levels of sustainability resource conservation and that sort of thing. And so we've got people back in here and Mark Kittle can talk about this. He deals with these folks every now and then. And then we've got the innovators on this end of it. And where we're at is this curve is starting to shift this way so that we're getting a greater percentage of buildings that are dealing with resource conservation. What are the benefits? One of the focuses that I've put together in this presentation is trying to deal with the business end. I need to remind you this is a commercial code, not a residential code. So this code doesn't affect the home builder, doesn't affect the residential. It does affect small commercial projects and large commercial projects, but it is not residential. So it's really important. What is really important here is buildings with better sustainability credentials enjoy increased marketability. And this is from a recent 2013 study that I cite later on, but it's important to understand that from a marketing standpoint, this type of activity, this building activity creates better value buildings, better envelopes, and basically better buildings that are increasing the marketability of the products. The perceived business benefits over in here, which deal with that building value return on investments. And this kind of says for organizations with green buildings and not involved with green buildings in a comparison. So health and welfare is high up on the list, building value, increase building value, worker productivity, increased return on investment, increased rents, increased occupancy rates, and surprisingly enough increased retail sales. And so when green sustainable building practices are executed in a building, this is what people are getting. building, this is what people are getting. As I noted, we're gonna talk a little bit about energy code standards and ratings. The IGCC is a code. It's written in legislative language. It is a holistic environmental resource conservation code. It deals with water, it deals with materials, it deals with energy, it deals with materials, it deals with energy, it deals with systems, it deals with existing buildings and sites, it deals with building commissioning. What that means is you're verifying the operation of the building as being in conformance with the design intent so that if somebody is designing a high performance building, the commissioning piece verifies that it's performing to the level, or not, we're exceeding that level, and that's an important part of this. This is not, by the way, new. There are lead rating systems that if you want to get anywhere in lead, you're commissioning a building. So I want everybody to understand that this is not some new thing that's been pulled out of the air. This is existing stuff. And then we talk about building operations and verification of those operations. And in this particular code, we also talk about what kind of information needs to be with the building, delivered to the building, and how the building operating engineers or those operating the building, what kind of information they have to operate that building with. The only other code that we're going to be talking about is the International Energy Conservation Code, the 2012 IECC. That deals with the building envelope and the building systems, lighting, mechanical, and similar items. It is an energy code. It is not going to deal with water. It's going to deal with the building envelope, but it's not going to deal with commissioning or anything else. Then we have standards. Ashrade 90.1, Ashrade 189.1 is a standard. In this particular case, if the town adopts the IGCC, Ashrade 189.1 here is part of the IGCC. It is more of an engineering document. And when the IGCC is adopted, 180 if a team decides to use, Ashrey 189.1 is deemed to comply compliance route. And this ICC 790.1 are standards. They are standards of measurement against how these buildings are done. And the ICC 7100 is primarily a residential rating system. Okay? It does have an optional use in ICC. If the jurisdiction says we want to use this residential part for mixed use residential on a smaller scale project. However, when we were drafting the code, high rise, multi-use buildings where we've got commercial, office, and residential, we felt that the ICC 700 did not apply because you're basically building a commercial building up to the jurisdiction. And then we have rating systems. Lead rating systems are not codes. It's real important to understand this. It's a rating system. It's not written in legislative language. Thou shalt. A code is written that way. So in adopting a code, it's the base piece that somebody is designing a structure to. So it's a fundamental, what I'm trying to communicate is there's some fundamental differentials here in the discussions that have. It's real easy to say, oh, well, we've got these codes. But no, what we're talking about tonight is the International Green Construction Code and then how it relates to the eye family of codes. And here's how it does. It is an overlay. The IGCC dovetails essentially seamlessly with the other codes. And within the code you'll see references to the International Energy Conservation Code, the International Fire Code, the International Plumbing Code. Okay, so basically here you see the IGCC and all these other codes. It's an overlay. It's intended and purposely done to overlay dovetail and complement what the other codes are doing, okay? And no separate permit is required for compliance with the International Green Construction Code. They're all, all of this is monitored under one permitting process. Snowmass sustainability issues and initiatives. The town council is considering for town buildings reducing carbon emissions. So this is not news, OK? What some of the carbon emissions calculations that are being, that are voluntary compliance, voluntary in this particular case for carbon emissions are part of the code. And you're already, as a council, addressing some of these things. So it's not, this is not new. You've got an environmental sustainability plan. You've got an energy climate protection plan. And then you're talking about energy efficiency and renewable energy and sustainable design and green building materials. All of these things are included as part of the language of the International Green Construction Code for commercial buildings. I'm not completely familiar with this. This could apply to both commercial and residential. Tonight we're dealing with commercial. You also have the REOT program for residential. And by the way, this is an incentivized compliance path. It's not a code, okay? Basically you comply with it, you get some benefits, or you do a pay-in-loop. It's my understanding. So, basically, for residential, you're dealing with these kinds of issues. All right? For commercial, you're dealing with energy modeling. Energy modeling is part of the International Green Construction Code, depending on your compliance path. You're dealing with exterior energy and efficient building envelopes. So does the International Green Construction Code? I don't know 30% better than code, whether that's which code that is. Jeff wrote this, and I believe Jeff saw I'll support him. We're also dealing with renewable energy and the International Green Construction Code deals with that. You're also dealing with an energy code review fee of $1,000 in here and within this fee is code review and compliance inspections. That's post-occupancy commissioning, okay? So what we're going to be talking about some things in the code that to a certain, to a small degree, not necessarily the degree the code is saying, but to a certain degree, the town of snowmass is already familiar with and encouraging in certain, certain instances. Bessol is looking at the International Green Construction Code to encourage cost effective sustainable building methods, efficient use of building materials and the improvement of indoor air quality, all items within the International Green Construction Code. So what is the International Green Construction Code? Well, we'll get into that in a minute, but this is really important. The business case for green building is a document that was published earlier this year. And it's really, I think this last piece here, it is just part of what good quality means. There's an industry recognition that sustainable practices that increase the efficiency of building envelopes, that increase the efficiency of mechanical equipment, that increase the longevity of mechanical equipment, bring day lighting in, et cetera, et cetera, conserve water resources, is good quality construction. And that's what we're talking about. The IGCC basically models the structure of the International Building Code. You've got scope and administration, which is the boilerplate that's the front part of the code, definitions, which includes some new definitions that you haven't seen. You've got jurisdictional requirements, life cycle assessment. Don't be afraid of this term. This is a design team option. It is not mandatory. If you do want to do a life cycle assessment, it has some implications deeper into the code about materiality. But this is not a requirement. It is an option. We deal with site development and land use. And as we dive into this, you'll note that some of the snowmass amendments that are being proposed defer to the land use code that is already in existence in snowmass because they already cover some of these things. So we've adjusted as we have the right to and we're proposing amendments to the code that are already taken care of in some of the land use codes in the town of Snowmass Village. Material resource conservation and efficiency, this has to do with the construction materials. It deals with recycling. It deals on a number of different levels of pre-consumer recycled products, post-consumer recycled products, et cetera, et cetera. Energy conservation. water resource conservation, indoor environmental quality, commissioning operations and maintenance, existing buildings, existing sites, reference standards, electives for radon and different option enforcement. So that's the general structure of the code. As I noted, the front end of this is basically boilerplate that is the same language that you'll see in any code. Anybody that practices or does construction under this code will understand that defines the administrative administration enforcement. Not only the definitions define unique definitions to the IGCC, but also definitions within the IGCC that may occur elsewhere but are important to define. And that's what the design professional uses when we go back when we're trying to verify something, we're going to go back to the definitions and make sure we understand what those definitions are so that we can then have the appropriate discussion dialogue and back and forth with the building official on certain issues very clearly spelled out. Jurisdictional requirements. Table 302.1 was set up so that a jurisdiction can increase the baseline of the code. In other words, we'll take an energy example. There's zero energy performance index. This is a scalar factor from 100 to zero. 100 is least efficient zero is essentially net zero. The International Green Construction Code sets a level of 51 for the zero energy performance index, the base level of 51 for the zero energy performance index, the base level performance level for a code. The jurisdictional requirements allow the town of Snowmass Village, for instance, to change that to a 46, which is being proposed. 10% more efficient than the base level of the code, okay? So, and in that section, you can check off a lot of different things. If you want, for instance, a design team and a construction team to provide five jurisdictional electives, you just say, mark the box, five jurisdictional electives, and then it's up to the team. In the case of this particular municipality zero. So the town is chosen to make this pretty straightforward. Again, as I mentioned, whole building lifecycle assessment is voluntary. It's a cradle to grave analysis, it's a new building, a new concept. Tools are being developed for this work. There are some extensive tools out there right now. And this has implications later on in the code for some credits in the materials section. It's an option. There are a lot of multi-building universities around the country that are doing whole building life cycle assessments in a big way to determine the longevity, the type of systems that are going in, et cetera. In chapter four, we have site development and land use. So the essence of this, we want to deal with wetlands, flood hazard, conservation areas, agricultural land, green fields, brown fields. Green fields are previously undeveloped land. Brown fields are previously developed, and there are guidelines in there. We have stormwater management. And again, some of this is not intended to override ordinances by the land use planning of the jurisdiction that may be more stringent than the code. This code is not intended to override local jurisdictions and local ordinances, so it's important that you understand that. In the site development, we're going to deal with vegetation soils and erosion control. There are sections in here for invasive plant species, for understanding and identifying invasive plants on site and understanding how water moves through the site. I use an example. I was doing a charter school in Edwards, Colorado, where we had a 300-acre basin back behind the site that emptied through our site. And this code says, look around what is happening behind the site. How are you going to bring 300 acres of water in a 100 or 500 year event through that site without washing your foundations out? That's essentially what we're asking for. Landscape irrigation talks about how we're gonna handle that. Site waste management has a going to handle that site waste management has a lot to do with the waste stream and the jurisdiction in which we're working and how we want to do that and I believe the town of snowmass is adjusting that and amending that transportation impacts having to do with bicycles electric vehicles hybrid vehicles that sort of thing. Heat island effect, probably not a huge deal up here, but if you've got a big hard plaza without a lot of plant materials, it will get hot in the mountains and we do get warm days up here, and then we deal with site lighting. In this section, the Snowmass Village is proposing amendments that as I mentioned, you've got coverage in the municipal code that takes care of preservation of natural resources. Stormwater management, the town is saying state regulations take care of that and don't need to implement this. Management of vegetation and soils are covered in the CMP. And so as we go through here, the committee that looked at this code before it is being brought to your table has looked at this in relation to the ordinances that are in place. Some of the issues that are particular to the town of Snowmass Village and have said, no, we're not going to do this. We're going to eliminate this, not critical to our climate. That's the heat island. And sight lighting is covered by existing ordinance. So what we've done is some of the homework ahead of this to say does not apply, does apply, needs to be adjusted, et cetera, et cetera in relation to what goes on in the town. In chapter five, we deal with material resource conservation and efficiency. That's construction waste management. In other words, how much waste is being diverted from the landfill? How are we doing it? How are we recycling that? So some of you may have seen some of the projects that are trying to achieve a lead rating. And you'll see dumpsters that where it's separated out wood, metals, plastics, et cetera. Some of those get recycled. Some of them go to the dump. Some of them, you know, they're all being separated out so we can manage that waste stream. We're dealing with materials selection. I mentioned earlier that we have pre and post consumer content of materials and we're going to start taking a look at how some of these materials are selected and what percentages there are. The code says that you have to have a certain percentage by weight, volume or cost of these materials, and you have the design team then has the responsibility to demonstrate to the building official that they have met those criteria. I will tell you that even though this is a little, it looks like to some it may be a little onerous, I teach a class on the International Green Construction Code to architects. And I can tell you that most of your requirements and materials selection for recycled content will come from footings and foundations and concrete and steel. Almost all the time you're going to be able to be compliant with this code with your footings and foundation and the steel package because of the recycled nature of those of the content of those materials. And oh, by the way, in this code, if you have a material that has pre and post consumer content, it doesn't count once it counts twice. Okay. So once you get into it, there are some some issues in here that are reasonably easy to understand, takes a little bit of a learning curve, but I tell the guys in the class that I teach, if I can do it, you can do it, and I can do it. Then we deal with mercury content of lamps and how to recycle that. Snowmass Village is proposing these amendments. Construction waste management plan relating to the availability of recycling services. This is really important. In Eagle County, we have a really interesting waste stream as much as we'd like to think we recycle it. My question to everybody is once the dumpsters leave the site, where do they go? Well, if you don't know, you should find out. I've kind of got an answer for that, but I'm not going to spill the beans. But if the recycling or services are available, then the town wants to get that engaged. And I will say that the Sustainable Building's Technology Committee that drafted this wanted to up the Andy with recycling. And so reached out a little bit to try and encourage communities to get that waste stream in order. The town is also changing the percent of recycled materials of green materials from 55 to 25%. So that'll ease that perceived burden a little bit. Chapter six is the energy section. There's two compliance options. There's a performance and prescriptive based compliance option. I'll get into that a little bit. Zero energy performance index, I kind of alluded to it. The big picture is 100 is least efficient, zero is net zero. And the base level of the code is about 50%. The town of Snowmass wants to be about 46, which is about 10% more efficient. This is based on being 10% better than the 2000, the baseline 51 level is 10% better than the 2009 International Energy Conservation Code. That's the big picture of why this was done. The zero energy performance index compares a buildings modeled energy performance to a modeled baseline level. Okay, so without going too deep into the weeds, I mentioned to you earlier, there's Ashrae 90.1. Ashrae 90.1 has an energy modeling performance protocol. That's what calls into base to get's called into here to establish what you're measuring against. Zero energy performance index of 51 is the performance-based compliance level. Snowmass is suggesting a zero energy performance of 46. Carbon Dale has already passed the International Green Construction Code and their level is 47. So you're not too much different than your neighbors here. The prescriptive compliance path is available to all commercial buildings under 25,000 square feet. The building envelope, that's the walls, windows, doors, anything associated with the envelope, the roof, footings and foundation insulation are 10% more efficient than the 2012 IECC prescriptive tables. Okay, so they prescribe what your solar heat gain coefficient is going to be, what the visible light transmittance of glazing is going to be, what the R value of the walls is going to be, what the R values of the doors are going to be. And oh, by the way, they also say if you're going to be on the prescriptive path, you only have 30% of your building envelope that can be clear windows. That's it. Prescriptive. Thou shalt do it this way. Check, check, check. Turn it in to the building official. Here you go. And then it's up to the building official to say you're 30% windows. You've met 10% more. And so when I say there are architectural implications, we have beautiful views up here in the mountains as an architect. I don't think there are going to be many people that are going to want to do the prescriptive path. Okay. It just doesn't work for a lot of situations, especially if you're trying to, on the other side of this valley, trying to catch views to the north or to the east where you're going to have greater heat loss, you're going to have to make adjustments to the building envelope. That's up to the owner and the design team. It's voluntary. We're not saying that you have to use the performance path or the prescriptive path until you get over 25,000 square feet at that point. That's what triggers the performance path. And then you'll be doing energy modeling and working along with the code. Here we go. Within chapter six, we're also talking about metering and monitoring and what the reason for that is if we can't measure it, we don't know whether it's working. Okay, so now what we're trying to do is we're trying to meter electric use, water use. We're trying to meter energy source use. So if you're using natural gas, do that. We also want to record how much energy renewables are providing to offset whatever are being consumed because that has to do with how the building is performing and the efficiency of the building. There's an automated demand response infrastructure so that we can work with the utilities to try and manage peak energy loads on an automated demand response basis. We also deal with mechanical systems, electric power and lighting, appliances, renewable energy, and energy systems commissioning and completion. Really important because if we don't know that day lighting is working or if more energy is being consumed in a certain area, then it should be, if we're not measuring it and metering it, we don't know. And that's part of the commissioning process. Section 610 deals with building energy renewable systems. The IGCC standard is the 2% on-site, 4% off-site. Carbon Dale has chosen to mandate a 10% onite or 15% offsite. They did that, my colleague Jeff, who wasn't able to be here tonight, did a study and determined that all of the buildings down there could meet that requirement. They have the ability to do onsite 10% renewables. And so it's not a problem. Snowmass on the automated demand response infrastructure is providing rough end only. We don't have up here all of the utility infrastructure in yet to do this in full. Thankfully they've deleted the permanent shading devices for fenestration. I fought that at the final adoption hearings, much to my sugar in its end. It is a, it was bad code language and I'm glad to see it go. Snow mount systems are already covered. Waste water heat recovery systems are deleted. Interior light reduction controls are deleted in the parking garages for safety reasons. Exterior light controls are dealt with. You're eliminating the requirement to verify lamps and ballasts, and your exterior lighting ordinance covers the exterior lighting piece. The International Green Construction Code also deals with water resource conservation, quality, and efficiency. So we're dealing with fixtures. So you've seen low, you've heard the term low flow fixtures, waterless urinals, etc. We're talking about that, we're talking about appliances, we're talking about energy star rating, a plated appliances and that sort of thing. Dealing with HVAC systems and equipment with regard to swamp coolers and how we're managing the water that's being used in the cooling systems. Are we able to reuse it, etc.? Meetering, again, watering, water conservation is a resource. And so we're metering the water consumption. It's kind of already done, but tenants may, you may have a tenant that may have a higher use than others and you'll be metering that. It deals with non-potable rainwater, gray water, and reclaimed water. Now in Colorado, we understand that we've got water laws although we did pass recently a gray water act. So some of this is not applicable. I do tell the folks in my class that these are great design guidelines if somebody wants to look at these kinds of things for other municipalities. You don't have a source for reclaimed water so you're not going to deal with this condensate drainage. We don't get a huge amount of that up here because we're not dealing with some of the high temperature areas where you're dealing with swamp coolers to the degree you might elsewhere. So it's deemed not large enough to really have a huge issue. We talked about rain, water collection, it's not legal, it may be down the road. Greywater systems, health issues, too complicated. That may change as the health department start looking at this and provide new guidelines in the town always has the opportunity to go back and modify this ordinance. Reclaimed water system isn't available. Alternate on site, non-potable water, not relevant to snowmasses scale, but I suppose if somebody had an artesian well, they could come in and make the argument to the building official that they wanted to use it and then Mark had to scratch his head and go now what do I do? There's an indoor environmental quality this has to do with the health and welfare, the H and W of health safety welfare. Most of the codes that we see now deal with the safety structural codes, that sort of thing. Now we're dealing with the health and welfare. So indoor air quality, building maintenance is part of thing. Now we're dealing with the health and welfare. So indoor air quality, building maintenance is part of this. There are construction phase requirements for filtration of ductwork and systems during the course of construction to keep debris out, to that won't get blown into the space once it's occupied. We deal with acoustics so that the noise level is manageable and day lighting and day lighting is a big deal. This is a great design resource for commercial day lighting. We know how to do it. The ordinance that has been proposed to the council for consideration is deleting the baseline into our air quality testing, reducing some of the requirements for VOCs on adhesives and sealants from 85 to 75% same for paints and coatings. I don't know what Jeff was talking, flooring 708 gray water systems, I think flooring, flooring adhesives and materials will be reduced from 85 to 75. And this is pretty much straight across the board for the materials VOC and off-gassing requirements for the town. Sound transmission levels will be addressed in new construction only, which is the intent of this code. And interior sound transmission will be reduced from 60 to 55, and that was discussed pretty credibly during the meetings that were held on the code. Commissioning is a new section in the code. There's no code to date that has a section on commissioning. So this is brand new. We're dealing with post-occupancy and pre-occupancy. So there's more responsibility on the design and construction team to verify that the building envelope is constructed to the level it was designed to. It is more heavily observed than under normal circumstances. And frankly, part of this addresses the need to do that because when the building official makes site inspections, they're not doing the detailed observations that this code is going to require the construction and design teams. And then there's operations and maintenance documentation. This code basically says that operations and maintenance manuals will stay with the building for the life of the building, as will documents associated with how the building is to be operated. So that those of us that go back to buildings 40 years down the road and start looking for documents, there's an obligation to keep this stuff with the building. This is a good thing. Chapter 10 deals with existing buildings. The town of Snowmass Village is suggesting that there are stickional requirements to be removed from that. I take no exception to that. This, there's, I'm kind of glancing over this on a cliff note basis. There are implications for changes of use, changes of occupancy, and a number of other issues in there. I will say that there is an historic building section of this. The National Trust for Historic Preservation was a part of the co-development process when this was being put together. So there is sensitivity being provided to historic buildings as well. It also talks about what happens when you're adding onto an existing building, what kind of implications there are in relation to that and provides a little bit of guidance about some of the choices that you have. Existing building site development parallels the requirements and language in existing buildings. So we're dealing with things like parking and that sort of thing, especially in relation to local zoning ordinances. Chapter 12 is reference standards. That's a pretty standard chapter that just sites the standards that are being used in developing the code. And then we've got appendices in the town of Stoomas Village is deleting these. There's optional ordinances and enforcement issues which are not a part of this code. Could you just touch on electives? What electives would be? Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The electives section. What is that? Do you have your codes? The question is what are the jurisdictional electives? There are within this code, yeah, if the jurisdiction said, for instance, we want you to select five jurisdictional electives. You choose which ones. So for instance, site project electives could be, are you doing site restorations? Is it an infill site? Is there a wildlife corridor? Are you providing a wildlife corridor through the site? Are you dealing with minimizing flood hazards? Do you have, are you going to address heat island mitigation? Okay. In energy conservation, if the if the team elected to increase the zero energy performance index by five points, that could be an elected. Okay. So there are project electives in each section. And there are lists inives in each section, and there are lists in this appendix that say, you know, you choose which ones. I always counsel students in the class to be careful what you wish for, make sure you think it through, because some of them could be a little tougher to get, even though they look like they're the right things to do. The law of unintended consequences catches up pretty quickly on these. But if people think about it and are deliberate and thoughtful about it, some of these things are achievable. And frankly, there are building owners that really want a higher efficiency building. And why shouldn't they take a higher efficiency jurisdiction elective if it if they've got the opportunity to so it's just up to the jurisdiction the idea was to make this code a little more flexible than others to meet perhaps different sustainability objectives of the communities in which this is being considered for adoption. Does that answer your question? Thank you. Yeah. Before I go on any further, does anybody have any questions about the code itself? Because I'm going to run into a couple of other things. And then I will open it up for some discussion, but I thought I'd answer any questions that might be there. Seeing no other questions in a lot of information there. All right. Again, this kind of illustrates the jurisdiction elective table. So does the jurisdiction want flood hazard area preservation, high occupancy vehicle parking? In this case, it's no. You may want post-occupancy testing. You may want to deal with sound transmission levels. You're diverting 50% of material from the landfills, not 65% or 75%. And these are all things that get these are revealed to the design team early on. And part of the thing, part of the ability the town has to take advantage of. So what's this picture here? It's important to understand that this code was developed by national and international experts. This is one of the rooms where you can see everybody at the table. They're all either watching football games or checking standards or getting information. But this is the committee that wrote the code. These are the people that surrounded the committee and were asking the questions and testifying. It's a consensus-based development and these folks were at the table. This was not a small effort. And it's great that communities like the town of Snowmass Village are considering this and taking advantage of this to meet some of the requirements of their jurisdiction. So how does this comparison, how does the IGCC stack up? Well, we've got Cal Green here, we've got high performance standards, Aceray 189 and we've got LEED. So how does IGC stack up in these kinds of scenarios with these others? On site development, what this chart shows is we've got IGCC here, Aceray 189.1, that standard here, lead standards here, CalGreen over in here. And this will be typical to the charts that you'll see in the next few slides. In this particular case for site work, IGCC is comparable to lead goal. You'll see the numbers that are the same. Less than lead platinum, exceed silver, certified Cal Green and Asheray 189.1. And this information is extracted by a 2012 USGBC study. materials resources, IGCC, exceeds, lead silver and certified Cal Green and ash ray 189.1. It is below lead platinum and gold. Okay. So we're not at, we're not at the the outer edge of sustainability. I'd say at this point we're above the median, but not so far out there that it's not achievable. Energy efficiency. A lot of people get concerned when they're adopting the IGCC and they hear all of these terms of zero energy performance index, performance compliance, and prescriptive compliance. It's, oh my God, you know, this is a lot of work. I've got this really, really efficient building. Well, surprisingly enough, the IGCC's energy compliance requirements are less than all of these lead categories, less than ash ray, and more energy efficient than Cal Green. Okay? So you're not, again, you're not at the edge. You're right, you're kind of below the middle here. Not asking people to do energy work that isn't already done in the building industry. Yes, he had a question. How does that number play out when you combine it with other codes, either the California Energy Code? Well, this is it. That's with IECC 2012. Well, what you're asking is how does it compare with IECC 2012, correct? Because this is the comparison to the other codes. Or are there's other standards and ratings? There's no other codes in here. This is one code, ASHRAE 189. If you selected, it's a deem to comply with the IGCC. But these rating systems over in here are all more robust, if you will, than the IGCC. Now, if the jurisdiction, as the snowmass village is proposing, changes from a zero energy performance index of 51 to 46, there's an implication that you're probably going to start getting into this lead certified level of energy conservation. But you're not going to be up in these areas here, which are platinum right now is at the pretty much the lead edge unless you get to net zero. Does that answer your question? Well, I guess maybe I'm confused. I thought my understanding was that this works in concert with IECC and what the proposal for snowmasses is that we adopt IGCC and at the same time we adopt IECC 2012. Well, you're, okay, that's, that's a good question. The IGCC refers to sections, the IGCC is a 2012 code. And as such, the references to the ICODS are 2012 ICODS references. Specifically, the prescriptive tables in the commercial section of the IECC are 2012 references. There are issues in there with day lighting, calculating day lighting areas that refer to 2012 IECC metrics and calculations. So if you adopt the 2012 IGCC and are working off of the 2009 International Energy Conservation Code, those links are broken and not as clearly easy to define as they are if the 2012 IECC is adopted. So there is a relationship and there's a strong inner relationship between the codes. And from the prescriptive standpoint, if all you're doing is using prescriptive tables, prescriptive compliance path and the tables in the International Energy Conservation Code, IECC, then that's where that link is really important. Does that answer your question? I guess in that context, though, this 15s, or whatever that means. Well, this 15 number is 10% more efficient than the 2009 International Energy Conservation Code. That's the base level that we set early on for the zero energy performance level of 51. The 46 that is being proposed by snowmass is 10% more efficient than that, so it'd be 20% more efficient than the 2009 IECC. Well, I raised the question because we already have an existing code that calls for 30% better than code. But what's the code reference? I don't know what that reference code is. So reference is 0.9. Reference is 0.9. So we've just allowed for 10% less energy efficient. I'm planning on going to the 2012 IECC, which is 20% better than the 0.9. OK. So now we're back to 30%. No, we're 40% better than the O9. Okay, so now we're back to 30%. No, we're 40% better than O9. Correct. Thanks. Thanks, Mark. Is that answer your question? Thanks, though. Okay. Water efficiency, you know, lead silver, gold, platinum, Cal Green, and IGCC are all in the same ballpark. So again, we're not with the IGCC, you're not on the edge. You're right in there with the rating systems, Cal Green, and that. I'm sorry, this has, this chart got inadvertently substituted. IGCC exceeds lead certified silver and Cal Green in the indoor environmental quality, not as robust as lead gold and platinum or ASHRAE 189. So again, you're kind of right in the middle with the IGCC. The town council also wanted to take a look at costs. So this is a tough one. Energy costs, what is the code cost? The same question as how much does your house cost? Or how much does a house cost? Well, what's in the house? Well, I don't know, a furnace, you know, a couple of windows. Well, okay, are they triple-pain window? You know, what are the questions? So that's a really tough question to ask. But here's some really interesting information. According to owners who are involved in sustainable features, they're expecting 93% of them are expecting decreased operating costs. What does that mean? That means that the maintenance is less, the energy consumption costs are less, and those are operating costs. It costs less to maintain the building. 79% are attracting new or tenants, increased return on investment, increased building asset value in higher tenant retention and renewal. Why is that? Well, the building, the tenants don't pay as much in energy rates, so they're going to want to be there. And so there we go. Those are expected benefits. Had there been any actual measurements to verify that? They're have. I'm not going to I'm not going to go in depth inciting all of them here tonight. This says these are expected benefits. That's right. Okay. And that's but they're expecting benefits based on what is now historic data of what these buildings can provide. Then why aren't the actual benefits? In other words, if there's a history that the operating costs have been decreased by 93%. No, no, no, 93% of the building owners are expecting reduced operating costs. They're not saying by what percentage? And that varies by the building. This is that varies by building and all kinds of deals. There's not this is the tough part of this. There's not one single number that you can say is going to be attached to what those reduced operating costs are. It depends, and I'll go through that in a minute, but there's so many factors in there. There's not a single number you can do it. But based on what is now an inventory of sustainably designed high efficiency buildings, these are what building owners are reasonably expecting from those buildings. But here's a really interesting piece right here where green buildings and sustainable buildings are becoming the mainstream. This is an emerging brown discount for buildings that are not designed or older buildings that are not keeping up with that level. They may rent for less and sell for less. So that's, I thought that was really interesting. And these are coming out of a 2013 study. The case for Bill for Green, okay? There's a perception within the industry that green costs a lot of money, but it's turning out that that perception, the cost premium is typically not as high as what is being perceived by the industry. And because this is now becoming mainstream practice in both the design and the construction end of things, we have manufacturers that are able to have incorporated recycled materials and better products into their manufacturing streams. And so the costs are coming down. The industry is matureing now so that what used to be, it's kind of like, it used to be you'd either buy a car without airbags or with airbags. There was a time when we were transitioning. And you know, the airbags had cost a little more, but you were safer in the airbag car. Well, there were complaints about that. I don't need an airbag. My 1963 Ford Fairline station wagon that was my first car had metal dashboards, no seat belts, no airbags. But now, unless you buy that as a collector car, you can't go down to the Ford dealership and get something that doesn't have seat belts, padded dashes and airbags. Okay? It's a better system. Does it cost a little bit more? It did, it did, but now we've gotten used to it. So now we expect to pay for these things because there's value for the investment made. And that's where we are with green buildings here. And so as this industry is maturing, we're getting more skilled at delivering green buildings. Those costs are coming down. In this particular case, well, there's a couple of points here. I'll go to this point first. If you are designing to the IGCC, generally you're reducing the impact on civic infrastructure. Well, why is that important? Well, I had a discussion with a jurisdiction over in my neck of the woods and the town manager, oh, we don't care about sustainability. And then I said, well, what happens if you reduce the water consumption by a certain percentage within the town? And you're considering, but because right now, you're having to increase the infrastructure to accommodate more water flow. And there's a $10 or $20 million bond issue being done, put out there to do that. What happens if you reduce that? And now, I've said, you don't have that $10 or $20 million bond issue to float. What are you going to use? What are you going to do with that money? You know, can you build a rec center? Can you do something for the citizens with that money? And now you're conserving resources? Something to think about. In this particular issue here, this analysis said, okay, productivity and health benefits, operations, water savings, emission savings, energy savings, all accounts are somewhere between $36. $37 and $55. The sub total here, the savings over a 20 year period were $52.90 to $71.30, a square foot of that particular building. $52.90 to $71.30 a square foot of that particular building. Figuring the cost of building that building at an additional $3 to $5 a square foot, their net at 20 years savings was 50 to 65 a foot. Now, I'm not saying that this is a number you attach to it. I really want to caution you against it. This is one study. It may be less for a different building or more for another building. But what it says is that after a 20 year evaluation, this is what people are starting to see on these buildings. The cost of compliance with the IGCC is lead or CalGreen or any of these is based on a number of factors. I kind of, this was what was included in your council packet. Small versus large projects, the smaller projects, if they're doing energy modeling and really designing to a high level, and if they're exceeding what they're, what you're trying to do with the base level of the code, it's going to cost them more. But they know that. They recognize that up front. Experience of the owner with sustainability issues. If you've got an owner that wants to do it for the first time, has never done it before, there's going to be a learning curve. And there's potentially a higher cost, depending on which team he brings in and how he does it, or she. The type of project, a two-story wooden frame building may be different than a large multi-story multi-use building. And you've got a few of those here in the village. So that's going to be an issue. Building construction type, are you doing wood frame versus steel and construction? How are those envelopes being put together? What kind of materials and what kind of efficiencies are going to be in there? That's one of the cost issues. Location within the jurisdiction, are you rural versus urban? You may have more site issues on a less urban property than you would in an urban property and that will affect the cost. The experience of the design team has a cost factor to it. The objectives of the owner have a cost is the owner going for base building compliance or net zero or somewhere in between. What kind of operating objectives do they have? How does that play into it? New construction versus remodel or adaptive reuse of a building are going to affect this. And the experience of the construction team are going to affect this. So when I say there's not really a number that you can attach to it, there isn't because these factors play into it. And it's not something that the building official has to do or it's not, you can't, as a town council council tell these guys that you have to do it a certain way because everybody gets creative about how they do it and they're trying new things and that's the objective here. In this particular study of lead certified buildings however, 0 to 4% green premiums in 75% of the buildings studied. And that's in this green building. This comes out of this book and this particular cost benefit strategy here. In the largest concentration of buildings, there was a 0 to 1% identified increase. In lead platinum, there was a 0 to 2% green premium, and that was more prevalent than the higher green premium. Okay. Why is that? Well, those guys, the people that are going after that are experienced. They know how to do it. They know the drill. And it's, I almost standard architectural practice at that point. So I'm not saying that all of this is standard architectural practice. What I am saying is that the industry is moving in this direction and when we start talking about a zero energy performance index or energy modeling or performance versus prescriptive paths or indoor environmental quality or material waste recycling or recycled content. It's not throwing language to the design profession. This is, we have been dealing with this for a while. Anybody that has been dealing with sustainability is addressing these issues, it's not new. It's just what's new is whether it's going to be done on a code basis, which is mandatory, or a voluntary compliance basis such as a rating system. A rating system can be adopted by municipalities, the city of Chicago has done that. They said you're gonna design to a lead silver level for all municipal buildings. Well, it's essentially a code, but you're doing it on a points-based basis rather than you're going through and doing a compliance path. So that's my presentation, the conclusion. There is a cost. There is going to be a cost associated with the code. What is it? Hard to define, but that previous slide of saying, you know, we kind of identified some of these thresholds. Not all buildings are going to be in that zero to one to two percent range. So we're going to be in a five to ten, maybe even a 15 percent range. But there's going to be a cost and it depends on the objectives and what you're trying to do with it. But generally, the important part here is that the cost is offset by reduced operating costs. And that's an energy maintenance, water consumption, resource consumption, increased building value to the person building the building, increased value to tenants, which means lower operating costs, higher building occupancies, and it does not appear to be different that what is being experienced in the meeting, the objectives of the ratings, the lead ratings on a voluntary compliance, or even a mandated compliance basis. And with that, I'll be glad to answer any questions. Hopefully this is an overview that you folks needed to really kind of take a look at this thing. And I know I skipped through it quick and I'll be glad to answer any questions. Very good. What have been some of the unintended consequences that have come out on buildings that you've seen that have the codes that have done this. Of their, you know, you can't give me a cost that was, you know, 7, 8, 10, 12% more. But were there some other issues that, you know, I've reading something that the VOCs and certain water-based paints weren't drying fast enough. I saw this little article I was going through and so they had molds going on and it cost the building operator another million and a half to remedy all those because they were using these water based versus the oil based paints. So when I try to understand what's going on and trying to understand, you know, there's a great push. I think communities need to move forward and try to help building better things that last longer and cost less and use less resources. But are there, you can always find the downside than the most bad thing, you know, we're on a change happens. So, you know, I've got to take some of these kind of things with a, you know, a little bit of a great assault. But at the same time, I know that when you put in codes sometimes and you have these grand ideas, sometimes it turns around and bites you. Other communities have done this. I've heard, have gone, maybe went a little too far. And it sounds like Mark and you guys have worked to try to balance some of those numbers out. You brought things down from a higher number and maybe increase some things too. Well, you're kind of asking a couple of questions. The unintended consequences piece. I'm not, there are stories with all kinds of things. I mean, there have been unintended consequences of new waterproofing techniques that were supposed to work, but didn't, and all of a sudden you get water in a parking space that wasn't anticipated because something got applied the way it was supposed to and it failed. So, you know, the construction industry, irrespective of the international green construction code is fraught with a whole lot of risk. And if things are not, and it doesn't matter whether it's VOCs or acoustics or daylighting, if it's not installed correctly and not operating correctly. There's some risk involved with that. You know, during the development of the code everybody kept saying well, gee Mr. Architect, your buildings, you know, they're lead platinum buildings that are designed to perform a certain way and they're not performing. What are you going to do about it? I think this code responds to that by bringing the commissioning piece in and at least giving everybody an opportunity to say, hey, if something's not working and unintended consequence, let's figure out, give us a chance to figure out what it is and at least identify it and fix it so the thing can perform. So, you know, from that standpoint, I don't know that there are any more unintended consequences as a result of this kind of code, then there would be from any other building practice that's trying to move the level of construction forward. I think ultimately what we're trying to do is make construction better, but with that comes some products that people will make a concerted effort to try out. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Most of the time they work. So what are some of the recycled materials that people get into and purchase for putting into some of these buildings? Well, I have seen buildings over in our area where people have bought mines in Montana and harvested the beams out of the mines for use in the building. So that's a recycled deal. If, for instance, you deconstruct a building and reuse some of the materials from that deconstruction process, if you were able to save the steel studs and reuse them or save wood studs and reuse them, save wood studs and reuse them. That's some of the recycled reuse capability. If you're able to reuse a foundation and build over the top of it and that, that's a reuse. It's like when I was in Utah, I, for a long time ago, I was able to take some trusses out about old building, you know, put them to the side and reuse those. So that's the kind of stuff that you're. Now, and that's exactly the kind of thing that we're talking about. And this is where, in that particular instance, it's where the IBC and the IGCC combine, because the structural, the building official over here to look at you and say, okay, have you had a structural engineer or certify that it's going to work to the loads that you're proposing to reuse it for? So you might have to bring a structural engineer into it or in certain instances you might have to have a wood rater come in and make sure that the wood is rated for the capacity that the engineer needs to have it to, but absolutely, that would be 100% post-consumer recycled deal, and that would, you know, you can calculate the weight of those and apply it to, you know, what you need to have in here. So that's exactly what you could do. Sure. I mean, you know, if you want to take a steel bridge from somewhere nearby that's going to get taken out and reuse it on your site. Recycled materials, absolutely. I am not a construction person. I do appreciate your presentation. I do have better understanding of what this code is about. But as I, and this is question really both from Mark and for you, as I understand it, the snowmass village version of this code was put together through a committee of people involved in the building industry, people from snowmast involved in the building industry, architects, the people who are actually going to have to work with this code. And my only question to each of you, since you both review this pretty carefully is are you satisfied that this code accomplishes the environmental protections that are necessary and yet Allow Some of these percentages these rather low percentages and increased building costs to really actualize My answer is yes. Mark. I'd have to say yes to. We put a lot of work into it. Ski Co is involved heavily. And you guys realize that they build a lead, almost all their buildings exclusively. And related construction folks were involved as well? Related, yes, uh-huh. Related, had some people involved, PCL, some of the bigger contractors. Good. I think at this point, maybe if you guys can give me some directions on what areas you feel were lacking, and perhaps I can, might be too late in the day for that. Well, I guess I, you know, I no longer have my sea license. I don't know exactly what I need to be asking, looking at more than for many years and playing those games. But, you know, I've got people in the audience I know are in the construction field. Are there concerns? playing those games, but you know, I've got people in the audience I know are in the construction field, are there concerns, Dave or anybody that might have on the direction we're looking at, because I think that you know what I'd probably like to say is I'd like to take marks in the committee's stab at this and say let's use this and let's work on this and if there's something two years in the road, three years in the road that we need to change, let's talk about that then. But let's give this a chance to grow a little bit and see how we can make it, you know, on that same note, I'm going to just to see the next version. Bless you. Of this code. I have a feeling it's going to be tweaked in massage. So you think? Mr. Dave? Dave Corbin, Aspen's King Company. And I apologize that Gert van Morsel isn't here tonight. As you know, Gert's kind of our code guru and participated in the committee supporting Mark's work. I don't have that technical knowledge, but I can speak to some of the points that were raised in your presentation tonight. We definitely do support the town's adoption of the IGCC. I'll be it with the amendments that have been proposed and have been described again tonight. We think those make a lot of sense. We didn't support kind of a universal across the board exactly as written adaptation primarily for those reasons that relate to other codes, laws, regulations. Many of the things that related to land use, water resources, and things like that, we didn't want to see a situation where just by wholly adopting the IGCC, we ended up with conflicting laws and codes that left us with no real way to resolve those differences. So I very much appreciate the fact that those components that are sort of land use related apparently have been dealt with in this amendment process. So with those kinds of modifications, I think we wholeheartedly support what's before you now. With respect to the cost issues, we indeed have built several lead buildings at this point in time. And if as the demonstration showed, we're sort of analogous in this code to a lead gold standard, we've done that. Sam's was a lead gold holiday house project, a housing project in Aspen was lead platinum. I very much think we'll probably get lead gold when we finalize the out camp process. So we can meet those standards and have met those standards designed to them already as best we can. So where you're going, we already think we're sort of there. We may be indeed one of the more sounds arrogant, but I don't mean it that way. Maybe one of the more sophisticated developer builders in that sense in approaching the problem. Our costs have likewise been very much as you described. Kind of a zero to 4% premium on meeting these kinds of standards. I would say at Holiday House, for example, it was very close to like zero, you know, and we actually did really, really well getting a platinum building through, and it's performed quite admirably in terms of its energy costs. I can't say that I could speak with confidence yet and say, we've gotten return out of that energy investment yet. I don't think we've had enough time with any of those buildings to really know and I think maybe as an industry we don't really know yet, but I think we're seeing that probably life cycle costs it's worth the investment particularly at that level You know the zero to four percent that's kind of a no-brainer of well, yeah we're pretty sure we're going to get that and we'll certainly roll the dice that we're going to get it. So I don't find many objections with respect to cost to be particularly off-putting or in some way give me hesitation in doing the green building. We don't see that. We think that premium is something we can afford. We've afforded it on other buildings. It certainly hasn't deterred us from doing that voluntarily. So from that perspective, I would say I wouldn't let that magnitude of costs deter the council from adopting the code. I don't see that as a problem. It's probably harder for the small guy. You know, if you've got a small commercial structure, it may be kind of more expensive on a square footage basis to do these kinds of things whether envelope or HVAC or other of the building components and materials, maybe harder for the little guy, but if you're building at scale and your code is aimed at things that are at scale, it's probably achievable. So in that sense, I certainly can't object to it. I don't think those kinds of costs are, you know, in some way a real deterrent to moving forward. Nor do I think that they would significantly reduce the quality of a building built in snow mass or people's appreciation of it. So in that sense, I don't think that's really a problem from our perspective in our history. The only thing that I might add in sort of conclusion and I haven't seen the exact code language or how John may have dealt with it, but I would likewise encourage the town and council to include some kind of code mechanism if it's not there that would deal with exceptions or things that might be exemptions, where compliance is literally impossible, because we'll run into them. They'll be something of that nature. So if you can build in a mechanism so that within the building department or planning department and building department, and you find in some applications at some point that it's impossible to deal with the code, either for technical reasons or it's in applicable in the real world or something like that. If it's impossible or so impracticable as to create an extraordinary hardship for an applicant, I'd hopefully, I hope that you would leave away for the building department to find a solution to that sort of thing and leave them some latitude to fix that. And there may already be in here. But I think what you raised is a really good point. And in teaching the class that I've taught to architects, I view the code in this sense. There's an alternative means and methods section. And to me, in my 30 plus years experience, there's an alternative means and method section and there's to me in my 30 plus years experience, there's always negotiating room on the code for the reasons you specifically cited and I've never run into a building official Well, I've run into a couple that have been pretty hard to say that and mark maybe on the edge there I haven't quite made up my morning yet, but you know as a design professional, I run into that every now and then, and it's our job to advocate on behalf of the owner and make the argument and make the case. But I believe the code, there's a little bit of wiggle room in the code on alternative means and methods, and that sort of thing that when you do run into that, your next step is to sit down with the building official and say that. And I actively preach that because it is really important, especially when we're dealing with some of the technical things. So there's a little bit of room in the code. I give you a little encouragement on that. But it requires that the design team make sure that they're ready to put that forward. And I think, but I think that's the same in egress requirements and different aspects of, in all aspects of the codes, whether it's an international fire code or building code. So I think there's that room. It's just the design team needs and needs to take the initiative to advocate on behalf of the owner in those instances. And that's all I had, Billy. Thank you, Billy. Thank you. Okay. Other questions? Tell somebody else. Just a couple of detailed ones that maybe were covered and I just encouraged them. Is there a definition for commercial buildings in the code that are we utilizing the same definition as basalt and carbon down? I don't think there's any change in that, Chris. Commercial building per se is not defined. It's construction type, and that's usually where that falls into play. So I just remember how we did defining the commercial buildings is it is the size it is a is it a Type in occupancy type of building and occupancy So hotel for example is an R1 and that's a commercial building correct Division or section nine I'm commissioning I wasn't clear where we ended up. I know in the discussions I had heard about previously, there was a lot of support for commissioning. And I think that one point earlier in, earlier generations there was some support for, for ski co and stuff on that basic idea. Is that incorporated included? Yes. Okay. The only thing that we deleted was the indoor air quality testing. There was like, I don't know, 40 some different components that we needed to test for. My committee thought that that was a little onerous, maybe a little bit too caught, not cost effective. And we, you know, could easily look at that down the road. Can you explain what commissioning is? I'm wondering if I'm the only one to go. Commissioning is making sure that your buildings working properly as the line. And Chris, can I just jump in really quickly with this? I'm the indoor air quality testing that is based deleted. The requirements that would ultimately lead to performance that would pass the testing are still required. So you're still required to implement all of the measures in terms of the construction you're just not required to test it. Correct. Correct. Thank you. That's correct. Correct. My last couple of little comments are, I think everybody for the incredible amount of work is going through these. I think that some of the ideas that came out in the beginning when people started to have this discussion, uniformity across the valley, when I look at the checklist, I think we're starting to see some of that between carbon-dale, basalt and ourselves. That's a great thing. I think that helps contractors, developers, et cetera, know what environment they're in. I think that this is a great first step, and it can be amended both if there needs to be variances to allow for something, or as this councilor or future councilors decide to strengthen it. This is a great baseline and a working start. I think that it improves quality buildings, which I think is the main thing, which improves the quality of life, the quality of the town. And ultimately, I think it's a sense of brand signal a little bit. And we're still struggling with that in Snowbats. What is our brand? How do we do that as far as safe, healthy, nurturing, happy people and families and people who are going to come and stay in the hotels and move and live here. I think that as we've discussed a little bit, as we look at limitations and resources carrying capacity, whether it's water, electricity, physical space, et cetera, are going to be some of the limiting factors, the ultimate growth of the town. And I think this is a step in that right direction. And so I'm very supportive of it and appreciate all the work. Mark, one question I have. I put my fire department fire district head on. When we speak from the fire department of Class A buildings and the high rise type production, are we doing anything here that's going to be a problem with that side of the equation? No. Not at all. Not at all. It probably would enhance it. Okay. Okay. I would say that I'd go ahead and put some language in there regarding the exceptions for a hardship in case I'll get what John on that and most of the other codes are it's up to the building official. So I would say you already have that ability. Yeah. So some of that language will probably include. Yeah. Is there any other? And that language may already exist in the division in chapter one. It could. Yeah. And if it does, it's already in chapter one of the IGCC. So I'll I'll I'll like investigate that. Yeah. I don't think we need to go over and above to invite people to come in with their I think we've made that mistake in prior words. I agree. Okay. All right. I don't I don't only one other comment and I just miss them. I do think that adopting this is very much in alignment with what our aspiration statement is and what's come out of the comp plan and we could go chapter verse but in general readings of what the attendant and aims for the community are I think this really is a agreement with that okay. Gary. So my question is next step would council this council feel this is ready for a first reading is it ready for prime time do we need to schedule it again for another discussion. I think we could go with the first reading. Pop up on post reading. Public hearing, you'd be okay with that. Yeah. I think so. I think, you know, hopefully Markey can take the opportunity to review this conversation on Granicus. I'd like to encourage her to do that by some means with an email maybe, because really a lot of this basic education was what she was looking for as well. So I loved it and make sure we get that done. But I think the ordinance is great. And I'm available if you guys dream about it tonight. No question. No, it's hard work. That happens for all trouble. I think it's hard work. Thank you very much Mark and your team. Are there any other questions or comments from the audience before we put this one to sleep tonight? Seeing none, thank you very much. Mark, thank you for your time and energy. That's been a great education. It looks like, you know. It's a privilege to serve. Thank you for your time. Yeah, thanks, Chris. Got great presentation. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. OK, I've been requested a quick bathroom break. That's my goal. Let's take five. Here, I get the seconds in the bathroom. All right. We're back in regular session with item number 10 emergency ordinance number nine in series 2013 and ordinance enacting a temporary moratorium regarding the establishment of any new medical marijuana facility orablishment in the Ten of the Summess Village. Sean Dresser's name is attached to this one. First, allow me to apologize for the subject matter in the title of the Memorandum when you use a form mandated by management. Sometimes you pick that form up and you're far more concerned about the content rather than the title. I did get the date right, but this is obviously not a development moratorium. That was the very good. That was the form that I chose to modify for this. I'll assume that you've all read the memorandum and you've seen the staff recommendation and I'll give you a little background that's contained in the ordinance that Colorado voters passed the minimum of 64 state constitution. We've kind of been talking about this, but as a council, we've been busy, busy, busy, busy with searches, hiring and negotiations and a lot of stuff and we have not as a body gotten together to address this. Any time deadline has come. We don't have much choice but to do this at this point. It gives us time, the first licensing under the retail marijuana. As you well know, we have no medical marijuana establishment facilities here in the village as yet and the retail licensing is going to begin to be issued July 1, 2014 by the state and that can either be with local supervision or can be prohibited or can be without local supervision so there's a lot of options out there that we just haven't been able to get on your agenda to talk about. So, staff is recommending a temporary moratorium and this is pursuant to the opt out provisions of amendment 64. If we get to this next month and you want to change it and go with a licensing scheme or you want to continue with opt out and prohibit it in the village, this just gives you the timeframe to do that. And so you will need to do it. I have provided in the draft of the ordinance and should you decide to adopt that provision that you can extend it as you see fit or you can reduce the time as you see fit, but this will be a It is going to be consistent with Amendment 64's opt-out prohibition until such time Questions of Mr. Dresser and his ordinance of Mr. Dresser and his ordinance. Your seats. I guess Mr. Mayor, I should also point out that because of the time frame that we've gotten into, we find ourselves in an emergency situation to be able to comply with state law. Mm-hmm. I move adoption of the resolution. Ordinance. Ordinance. Ordinance. I beg big pardon. That's a motion to adopt ordinance number nine by Fred Cooker. Second. Second by Chris Jacobson. For the discussion. I just want to point out a typo line 42 on the ordinance. Sorry John, opting out of. Yep. Sorry John, opting out of. Yep. And then just thinking about the more aquarium through July 1st. So July 1st is the first date that. What? The state can issue licenses for retail facilities. They can issue a license for a retail. So from October 1st to January 1st, only existing licensees under the medical marijuana provisions can apply to have that converted to retail. And starting January 1, new operators can apply for retail. And then those will be considered for July 1st. So I guess, and we can take this up anytime prior to July 1st. We're putting the monitoring in place to July 1st. If we wanted to give potential operators a better understanding of what regulations might be or might not be in order to either stimulate them or not towards applying for an application so that they could be ready to go July 1st. Getting this done before, well before that would be good that way in my opinion. Yeah, I think that you should probably put it on a work set. Right. Or for discussion whereby you all, the five of you can discuss it. We have it to present the options and I mean, it's not really complicated. Amendment 64 provides that it should be retail marijuana should be regulated as if similar to alcohol sales. I will let you know that the Department of Road who's new marijuana enforcement division issued its final regulations at the same date as your last meeting September 9th. So while they had draft ones out there, it wasn't extremely clear. And this will give the us understanding, probably better understanding of what the state's doing and what other communities are going to be doing and now to deal with the issue at hand. Right now, and this is a generalization. It seems like the bigger cities have gone with the regulation and these smaller communities have gone with programs to several have gone with more times, several have gone with moratoriums to figure it out. But the majority of terms of sheer numbers, so this is just entities. There's more going for prohibition than anything, but in terms of per capita, there's probably more going for regulation. So that's pure generalization from the data that we've gotten from the CML today. And I have read that other communities have gone as far as thinking this is a tourism kind of thing and some people are saying no, they don't want anybody who's not part of the community. That's all much of stuff going on down the road. I mean, we've talked to, not to, um, at the tourism war, but the tourism staff. And someone who think it's great, others think that being identified as a family resource is better, but those are the discussions that you need to have as a body and invite your community into weighing on. There is also the option of putting a ballot question on the ballot. That can't happen in this November's election by the State Statute. The administration cannot happen until November of 2014. That's the first time that it could be on. And even then, if you decide not to put that ballot question on it and continue with the prohibition because you want to see, there's a lot of other issues just besides what are lost. I mean, quite frankly, I have strong concerns about the fact that we sign FTA grants, federal transportation, authority grants that put in there. federal transportation authority grants that put in there. The community agrees to comply by all federal state and local law. It's still illegal. Its possession is illegal under federal law. That has not changed. There have been some memorandums from the Department of Justice and the Attorney General as to what they believe the priority for enforcement of that is and an indication just last month that They would not Make it a priority to enforcing Washington or Colorado which are the two states that have adopted Recreational marijuana But at the same time That's the current administration. That's the current administration, but at the same time. That's the current administration. That's the current administration, but at the same time, use on federal lands is still being, I don't want to say strongly enforced, but I think probably also the article a couple of weeks ago in our local newspaper about medical, licensed medical marijuana people using medical marijuana on their camping trips in the forest and being arrested for possession under the federal law. So, you know, they're saying we're not going to make an enforcement issue, but then if you're on federal land, they are doing it. And I would just point up the hill to you and say, we got a lot of federal land right around us. So those are other things you have to consider. Yeah. Yeah, I think personally, I think that we, I don't want to change the name of Snowmass to Snowmaster Dam, but I think that it is something that was voted by the people of Colorado and the state of Colorado, people of the county in Snowmass. And when you talk about, you want to survey to find out where people come from, what their thoughts are, what better survey than the vote you had. But I do support the idea of doing a more tourium at this time, because I think it will give us the opportunity to understand better what's what the options are you know I'm hearing banks from now talking maybe a little bit more about giving a business the opportunity to deposit money. I beg the different bill banks aren't talking about it they're saying flat out no because they don't want to lose their federal banking charter. But I'm hearing the banks are talking about it with the feds trying to say, hey guys, you got to do something here. But you're right. That's part of the whole equation there. And so any other comments, questions? I'm in favor of the moratorium for the temporary moratorium as well for now to give us some time to Have these conversations and figure out what we want to do here locally, but I would challenge us at the same time to Agendize a discussion item You know in the next month to get started on these so I I think it's something we need to look at. I'm not sure the next month we've got a lot of going on. I do think the next six months I would like to ask in conversation. I can just tell you and I've been kind of harping on this for the past couple of months. You, as a body, are heavily scheduled through the end of the year. Right. I think when we get to the manager's report, you're going to hear a request about your schedule. So I'll leave it there. Thank you very much. So you've got a motion in a second. So we'll roll call. Very good. So let's do the roll call but please Ronda yes Thank you Let's move on to item 11 manages report Thank you mayor council First Thank you, Mayor, Council. First item in my report is I wanted to follow up with the town council on the ice rank. I know that you all had questions about that. There was some anticipation about making sure all of the eyes were dotted in the tees crossed. With these arrangements, I sent council the the e-mail some detailed worksheets that we had. I want to emphasize these were draft worksheets, but I wanted to let you guys see that we are moving forward on getting these arrangements finalized. And I told Mary Andrew Kowski today I'd like to have a memorandum of understanding With below 32 or something and writing so that we don't have any Confusion assuming we move forward with this operation. So okay Council has any additional questions at this point. I'd be happy. Don't know if I can answer them right now But I'd be happy to follow up with Andy and see if Sorry I'd be happy to follow up with Andy and see if I can answer for you. Sorry, excuse me. So it's the basic idea that we, the town is going to operate a skating facility and a skate rental operation. It looks like the town would be providing, yes, the staffing for the operation. That's my understanding. So are we purchasing skates? That I have to find out. I don't think so. I think those are going to be supplied. I'm not sure where though, but I can find out. You think they're being supplied by like an outside donor? Because I, yeah, I'm looking at John, but nevertheless, I haven't heard of anybody making that ovation, so to speak, or that offer at the moment. So I know we allocated some money to staffing or otherwise facilitating this, but I'm not sure what for facilitating. So I'm just trying to get a basic outline. I appreciate I did look through those sheets I think, but I know that 32 below is talking about setting up, taking down, grading, but the actual operation and thinking through the skate rental process and operating it I haven't seen anything about and so it seems like it it weren't still some work to happen and to have it not be one of these things that sometimes don't get thought out till January or so so I just kind of put it out front I think it's a great idea if we do skates. I don't know where, how council feels about that. But then on the other hand, if we're not doing skates, I'm not sure what the staff is doing exactly. So I think then there's a discussion there. I do see Chris line item for skates $10,000. So I'm assuming that's a purchase, but I want to confirm that. So I can get back to you and confirm that. There's also a skate sharpener in there for 3,500. So it sounds like the machine that we'd be renting shark maintain with our staff. But I'll confirm that with Andy and make sure that, now, did we do this last year? No, I did. We did do something. The national component. That's what I was going to ask where the skates come from last year. They were on skates. Right. People brought. We've got it. We're doing more and more and we've done more. All right. So this is going to be a full on facility with rentals and. Yeah. Well, I think that my question is, how does it work? Is that what it is? And then I think also kind of getting in front of it to make it a real amenity for the community at large that could be marketed and or communicated, you know, on a town level, you know, where's it going to operate? Where do you get your skates? Where are they going to get stored? All these kind of, you know, I'm not trying to micro manage in any But I haven't heard anything about that and It's been pretty ram shackle in the rat last couple of years and so if the town's gonna be involved in managing it I think we're gonna have by default to more responsibility for its function Complaints critique, etc. I agree. I would want to make sure that we have skilled recreation program supervisors and managers in charge of this thing so that if we're managing it that it's done professionally. So, of course, we don't want to go public until you make your budget decision. Right. Okay. So good questions though. So I'll follow up and I'll shoot an email back to council with some of those clarifications. Any other clarifying? Nope, it sounds like that. The question is concerned. On that. Okay, I'm suggesting we postpone the work session for October 14th. We were scheduling that for a joint meeting with the tourism board. It looks like that's probably, have you guys had a chance to respond to your doodle inquiry yet or be scheduled. It looks like that's going to be popping up somewhere or third week of November somewhere around there. Yeah, I think it was November 18th or 19th. That seemed to be the most common date that everyone could make. Okay. So I just want to run that by you. Are you all okay with postponing the 14th work session? Is there some burning topic that you'd like to schedule for them? I think Gary the reason was we were hoping to do it during the time when we're doing budgeting. Yeah, I know. Talking monies and before that really. But we're doing budget discussions on that. We're looking at that date. Yeah, on the ninth, it's going to be all day. We're looking at the 14th of the joint meeting. We found out that, I think, Yon is not going to be here. There were people from the tourism board that were not going to be here, including the chair. So that's where we decided to go out and put out a bunch of dates, including this week, but nobody, not very many people picked this week. I'm out of here tomorrow morning. So I mean, this was an opportunity to talk about the business plan. Right? And I was saying that back behind that, it informs the budget discussion. Yes. And so now we're left in the position of having the budget decision made without the context of understanding the business plan. So, yeah. So unfortunately, but unfortunately it's just the timing the way it's working out. You know, so yeah, I would love to have done this much sooner. But, you know, we are where we are and I don't think that, you know, we can force people to be in the meeting when they're not in town. So we postpone adoption of the marketing budget. Until after we have to go to the business plan. No. I think the ability to amend the budget. Right. You could amend the budget. You also have the plan. You could read the plan and try and get as foreign as you can. We could also ask if there could be representatives of the marketing board to come to the budget meeting on the ninth and carve out, you know, 45 minutes or so then. Another option. Here that might be a good idea if we can, you know, during the marketing discussion have them come a little bit because John Dresser is correct, you know. We have the opportunity to, you know, do a budget so we can get it put in a seat at that point. We also have the ability as we've done in past, to at least at this point until we get into a good understanding to modify the budget after that period. So chose, if we so do need necessary. I thought we just agreed that we don't have the ability to modify the budget at the council level. Without talking with the marketing board. We can't be pushing them to say, you gotta do this. That thing that was a big discussion we had that we were not gonna do that. Those suggestions were not formally adopted. That's right. They were head nods at the joint meeting. They could join. And it's my opinion that ultimately all budget authorities still resides with you and I don't think that you can delegate that legally to an unelected board. Thank you. It was my thought. Thank you for Crawford. Good. That's with you all. Yeah. I do think that you would be well served to have a representative of the marketing war here for your budget presentation on October 9th and direct staff to see if we can get one or two perhaps here because I'm pretty sure you might want to confirm this Gary that the director, the tourism director is on overseas, overseas, what do I want to say? Oh, adventure marketing, seminar conference, I don't know exactly what it is, but it's that kind of extreme adventure niche in mountain lifestyles that he's going to pursue at the worldwide convention. So, I think Fred Brotsky will be here representing the department and so to have maybe some board input as well might be. The best we can do given the time frame that we find ourselves in. Good. Sounds good, Gary. I'm moving on. Okay, so I'll go ahead and see if I can get a couple of tours and board representatives to come and explain context at the budget meeting on the night. Update on department searches that's pretty self-explanatory. I do want to emphasize we've got the next couple of days scheduled, Marianne Dingordan, and I will be interviewing eight leading candidates for public works director. And that's going to be happening over the next couple of days. Out of those we'll narrow that down to a list of four or five finalists to do a more thorough face-to-face interviews. So these interviews will be a combination of Skype interviews for some of those that are further away and some of those that are closer including the front range area. They'll be driving over for 30 minute interview. But it'll give us a good opportunity to narrow that pool down. I've developed a questionnaire and sent that out to the community development staff, all the building and planning staff, asking them to start to fill those out. Then I'll go around and interview them individually and start putting together a position profile for the next community development slash planning director. So that process is getting underway. Very good. Just a comment about the public works director search. Obviously that's a position and department that works with our police department closely and a marketing department, you know, pretty, and really will their Input or feedback be brought into that process at all in the final interviews. Yes. Yeah, we'll expand that process But for now we just need to go through talk to these folks and figure out who's the best fit and bring in the top four or five Thank you. Yes, absolutely Okay, and the rest of the suffix mandatory and if you have any other questions. Well, I did want to bring up, I wanted to ask Kelly Vaughn to provide a brief update to try and bring some closure to the discussion on the Pro Challenge, USA Pro Challenge, where she had done a survey. I meant to get this into my report, but it was an omission on my part. So I just wanted to ask Kelly if you could come up and briefly inform the council, and we could kind of put a bow on that in terms of feedback that she'd received from businesses through a survey that she had conducted. And then also maybe a brief update on the community survey. Kelly, thank you. Kelly. Yes, so in an effort to close the loop and sort of dovetail some of the conversations that were happening at the elected official level between City of Aspen, Thomas Nommas Village and the Board of County Commissioners. We, the City of Aspen has conducted a survey with their businesses for the last two years of the race where they basically collect data on how did your business do this time compared to last year? How did you think the race went? Any comments? Do you want it back next year? We sent out the same survey on the city of Aspen was kind of to share that with us. We modified it and sent it out to all of our businesses. We did not get a huge level of response, but we were definitely enough to anecdotally tell us some of the things we had already observed. Along with the business survey, we put an online discussion forum up on our website to allow members of the community to weigh in. That was viewed pretty widely. We had about 140 views more or less. Seven individuals weighed in with their comments. So again, not a huge level of feedback, but I think the fact that a lot of people saw it and were following the conversations but didn't choose to weigh in themselves. I think shows that obviously they weren't passionate enough one way or the other to really want to weigh in. But some of the key findings were from the Business and Lodging Survey. There was not an overwhelmingly negative or positive impact on businesses. One asked to compare business to the week leading up to the race and race day about half indicated no change whatsoever. There is a consensus amongst respondents that there was adequate notice to plan accordingly. So between the efforts of our police department, a lot of the stuff we put out, everyone felt like they knew the program. And then respondents overwhelmingly pretty much wanted the bike race back next year with some tweaks. So most of the responses overwhelmingly indicated that they either strongly agree or agree that they wanted the bike race back in 2014. And then this was followed by some comments on what the town should consider to improve the event. So I do have a full report on that survey available on our website and I'll be happy to send you guys all the link and publicize that. Yes. And sorry I don't think I cut it right. How many people did you say responded to that? We sent it to all of our businesses. We had 14 respondents. So not a huge, but 13 out of 14 said they wanted the bike race back. We should have a survey asking people to rate their level of apathy. So knowing that the community survey was coming out. Yeah, but hopefully we'll see a much better level of response with our big community survey. From what I see here, you had four responses that were good, the read that were like, so I guess. Yeah, exactly. So with the general community comments, the closure of the upper lots was a significant inconvenience. That was something that we heard pretty much resoundingly, especially from people who live in the upper village. There was feedback, even from staff though, that that was an overworked element, something that we can definitely improve upon. Most understand that the race was beneficial to snowmass, but reviews are mixed on the tolerance for the road closures. I think something we expected. And then there's not clear community consensus in terms of people who wait in that there's no overwhelming support to bring the race back next year. So in terms of taking all of this feedback into consideration, I think it largely reinforces what we already know. At a fundamental level, there's consensus that the reasons for bringing the pro challenge to the community. There's an understanding, but in terms of, as discussion continues amongst elected officials, allowing community and business owners to bring some of the, continue to bring these concerns forward. You know, there's always things to tweak in the future. So that's sort of what we learned and wanted an update on the community survey. Sure. 30 seconds. Okay. So it's out. First wave is direct invite to our email list. We've had about 200 responses so far through just targeted emails. Then on Wednesday is really when we hit hard with a full advertising push. It goes live on the website with some cookie-based protection for some security, but not as secure as the direct invite. That's why we're doing it in two ways. Feedback is long. We understand it's a time investment. So we do encourage people to take the time to fill it out because we do value the feedback and we will be using this stuff. So it'll be available next Wednesday on TUSV.com slash community survey. And for now, check your inbox and invite us there. And we hope that everyone takes the opportunity to weigh it. Very good. Thank you very much, Kelly. Thanks, Kelly. And again, Kelly, thank you for all your energy for that bike race and all the information you got out to folks because you were tremendous asset for us and those regards. Other things about, are we done with town manager's report now? I think we. Plus there's other questions or directives from council. Has the Breast Creek utility project going? You know that's going fairly smoothly. I actually missed the construction meeting this morning because they have not been eventful. But you know, water and sewer lines continuing, this is the report from Friday, continuing up brush creek road, sewer and water work in lower-curne's road is complete, less the paving. I think we talked about the, there was one patch that started off a little rough and I thank John for speaking up in the meeting saying, ah, that's not going to cut it. We don't want people mumping over that all winter. So, you know, the contractors as committed to making that right this week will include the water line connection and testing at the wood road intersection. So if you've seen them coming up the road, and everything seems to be pretty much on track. Kind of what they said at the beginning, we might lose a day here or there. But for the most part, the communication has been good. And first week was a little rough figuring things out in the traffic staging, but I think it went a lot smoother second week and I think we're well on our way today. They seem to quit early too, so it was like oh Yeah, John today. Did they knock off at noon because the rain or what? Good, but they seem to make adjustments. Yeah, good. But they seem to be nimble and communicative. That's a good thing. Very good. Thanks. Thank you. Agenda for next council meeting. Comments, questions. This would be first reading for the green code. Sorry. Okay. Any other comments? for the green code. The green code. Sorry. Any other comments? That's obviously not the only thing that's going to come on that meeting? No, no. So we have a genders for October 7th and then the special meeting, of course. Can I give them an update about the night before the election? Sure. and can I give them an update about the matter before the election? Sure. It's not in your packet, but Rama's gotten a contract from the county for election days November 5th. You have a meeting scheduled for the 4th in this room. They want this room obviously as early as they can get it. Maryne has the public hearing on the second reading of the 2013 budget, amending ordinance. We're going to try and keep that as the only thing on so that you can be in here, second reading, and be out. So I'm telling you that so you can understand that as you go plan your schedules. OK. Don't think that'll affect you Fred, but. All right, any other thoughts about the agendas? Moving on then. Item 13, approval of meeting minutes for August 12. Is there a motion for that special? So Fred, second by Jason. Any alterations? All those in favor please signify this thing aye. Aye. Any opposed? Now August 19th. Motion by Fred Cooker. Second by. Second Jason Hayber. Any alterations? Tony Cone, line 145. Within and instead of an M. Very good. Good catch. All in favor with that edit? Please signify the saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Moving on, item 14, Council comments, committee reports, calendars. Mr. Cooker. Nothing. Mr. Jacobson. No, sir. I have nothing in Mr. Haber. Nothing for me. Moving on, we have item 15, executive session. John, this is discussing our employment issues or what is this? Yeah, personal matters. Is there a need to bring Gary in or to keep him? Oh, the Gary needs to be in there. Okay. That was good. So I've got a town council now meeting executive session, present to CRS 24 or 6, 4024, hence the most eligible code section 245c to specifically discuss three items. The determining positions relative to matters that may be subject to negotiations, developing strategy for negotiations and structing negotiators pursuant to CRS 24 or 6, 4024 e and the most eligible Code Section 245-C5 and conferences with attorney for purposes receiving legal advice on specific legal questions pursuant to 246-4024-FL and some of his bill to the municipal code section 245-C6. Is there a second to that motion that I made? Second. Second, Mr. Cooker. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? I'm going to let some go into the small conference room.