We thought it would be helpful for those of you who weren't participating in previous meetings to just hear a wrap up of what we've done to date and basically where we are through tonight's meetings. So just by way of background, the pre-sketch meetings are an opportunity for informal discussion between the Planning Commission, Town Councilor and applicant to discuss matters related to a potential land use application. So it really is nothing that's binding on either party's part, but the idea is to just really be able to open up those lines of communications, be able to find where we have some common ground on a particular project. And then really trying, in this case, we're trying to lay the framework for the next steps related to base village. So that's what we're trying to do tonight with Council Planning Commission and SNOMES Equalization Company. At our first meeting, which was held May 20th, and I hope some of you who weren't here maybe could see that on our town website. But that was the opportunity for SNOMS acquisition to present to Council and planning commission their thoughts about how they'd like to move ahead. What their ideas were in terms of potential changes of use, the phasing on the projects, investing, which I'm sure they'll get into a little bit. Issues related to transportation, including bus service, pedestrian access, etc. And the community purpose site because lot four in this project is earmarked for community purpose. You might also here refer to as the aquapark or the aquacenter site. After they did their presentation, planning commission council and the public were given an opportunity to share their thoughts and their ideas. The second meeting was a little bit more active for us. We did it in a series of community roundtables. We had four different topics that had come out of that first meeting. And we had the opportunity for everybody to go to each one of those roundtables and share their thoughts just real briefly because we only had about 10 minutes at each topic and share their immediate reactions to what they had heard from the previous meetings presentation and some of the comments that they wanted to share with with the applicant and for council and and plan a commission to hear. So that's what we did at that second meeting, and then of course we reported out what we heard in those small groups. And that's all been added to the town's website in case you didn't catch those. So tonight, what we expect in tonight's meeting is for Sonoma's acquisition company to be able to have another chance to come back and say, okay, we were telling you this. This is what we heard. This is how we think we'd like to proceed with this, what do you think, et cetera. So it's really, again, more of an opportunity for conversation between Council Planning Commission, the applicant, and the public to be able to have a chance to weigh in and share your thoughts as well. So this is really our expectation is that this may be the final meeting. We expect this will be the final meeting. But at the end of the evening we'll turn it over to both parties and say hey are we ready to allow this to move forward or not. So that's what we're hoping to accomplish tonight. So, Councilor Plenty-Komish, you have any questions at all? About tonight's meeting? Okay, then I will turn on the... I'm going to hold on to the chair. So Billy, I'll go ahead and take it from here, is that okay? Please wait and go. All right, Rockeroll, so our agenda as Julianna appropriately described there is we organized this presentation to spend some time on what we've heard and what we've been able to digest as key takeaways over the last couple of meetings and organized that around the four principal areas that Julianne just mentioned and we will see that in a second. And then we want to move into a separate area and just describe how we are responding generally and in some cases specifically to both the inputs that we received as well as how that conforms and or potentially might modify original plans. And then once we have that chance to unpack that, then we want to potentially might modify original plans. And then once we have that chance to unpack that, then we want to illustrate, again, what we would see as proposed next steps, assuming that we still have agreement and we still have a good feeling and some general consensus as being developed. So that's the framework for tonight's presentation. So let me go ahead and start. Again, quick summary overview just as described by Julianne. The takeaway here though is, as we originally illustrated, our hope and our goal here is to establish a framework for moving forward. One pack that here in a moment. So what we heard, topic number one, the mix. Residential and commercial mix. Clearly you guys heard us talk about fractional clubs. You heard us talk about vacation clubs, and you heard us talk about mountain clubs. You heard us talk about public improvements and private improvements. This particular topic obviously came up in that first meeting and then it was one of the key drivers for the second round table sessions. Here's a couple takeaways. The good news in our opinion is that most people support the addition of a vacation club and fractional residences, but clearly we heard this time and time again. It's going to require a great deal of additional information and detailed analysis. It's almost a super-given statement, but I think it's worth underscoring. One of the key drivers is the second takeaway. Obviously, among other things, we would need to engage at a high level of a precision for financial and fiscal impact analysis with the professional independent third party analysis. And probably just as importantly, we understand and will comply with the fact that the town itself needs to have separate independent analysis. EPS is the most notable firm that you guys will engage with, at least it's our expectation, and we've already been working with staff to provide them written assurance that we will underwrite that, obviously, to ensure that that study is completed. A couple of takeaways, too, right? We all talked about this, but I think this is worth, again, underscoring. The measurement has to be, obviously, against back to the baseline, the baseline plan and all of the various assumptions that drove the baseline financial analysis that ultimately supported the approvals for the PUD. And then we all recognize over the last two work sessions as there's going to be interplay, there's going to be some give and take between things like the real estate transfer tax, the sales tax, lodging taxes that all will occur within the proposed plan as compared to the baseline plan and be able to measure that in an incremental fashion and to ensure that EPS has developed tools and techniques that we can do some variance analysis together and some what if and some war gaming and enough given take and toggling within the models so that we have plenty of time and ability to understand the various impacts. So I think that is one of the major threads that we knew that going in. We had planned for that. It was a pleasant affirmation that the community also sees that is a guiding bench post that has to be acknowledged and honored. A couple of notable quotes from the last two work sessions we wanted to throw out there that at least struck us as memorable. The last one I think Robert, you had thrown this one out. Who's the who? We get that. We understand that. It's going to be a vital element to understand what flags, what brands are running that vacation club as proposed and then also for the same thing. What's that flag and what's that brand running for the Fraction ownership club? So we got that. That's going to be woven into our applications when we get there. Next slide. Transportation parking and access. Again, key topic of conversation, even before, frankly, our work sessions. We had the benefit of some good deal of analysis in this arena, even with our friends at the ski company when they were applying for their limelight. And that is trying to understand, you know, the interplay for parking and what is the generation rates for parking and then probably more importantly, how to guest and visitors in the public in general engage with base village, both from a public transit, the transit center, bus, shadow, fruit, how do they engage, how do they access into the base village. So can you take away? Majority of the work session participants definitely supported, you know, a re-analysis and then obviously an update to the parking plan and more probably more broadly the transit plan. So we just take away number two. The updated traffic impact analysis is definitely required. So here again we know that we have to engage with professional outside support. There's an outfit FHU, Felsberg traffic engineer team. Did the original analysis for base village rule be engaging with them? I'll share with that in greater detail with you here in a little bit. And also here again, you have to measure the proposed plan and get that independent analysis and allow them to compare it to the baseline. And then we have to unpack those original assumptions behind the baseline and and comparing the current trends. And we have to spend some time, frankly, and some good deal of analysis trying to make sure that our proposed plan at the worst does no harm. In fact, we would hope that the proposed plan does a better job as compared to the baseline in terms of, again, traffic, transportation, and most notably, the parking plan for base village. Another key takeaway that I think we heard a couple of times actually in the second work session, the round tables, voices from the community talking about pedestrian safety, as well as ADA access within base village. Given the grades and the topography that then exist in and around base village, it already is a clear and present challenge for ADA access. And even in its half built condition in some of its alternative paths and alternative access points means that it's even further challenged. We understand that. So our future applications will have to respond to that. So that's a key, that's one of the key, I think areas of kind of added emphasis that's going to come into our application that we probably weren't thinking about as squarely and as deeply as we should have been coming into this. thinking about as squarely and as deeply as we should have been coming into this. A couple of notable quotes. Residential parking spaces are underutilized. It's an interesting comment. I think there's two dimensions to that. If you think about it, we have all the parking spaces in the podium area and in the parking garage that constructed. But because of our half-built condition, their safety constraints for ingress and egress, which means portions of the parking garage today are standing behind construction fences and not utilized by, frankly, by anyone. That's one dimension. And then the other dimension is trying to understand how parking is used today as compared to what the assumptions and the analysis suggested 10, 12 years ago. What does that current trend and how many guests today come with a vehicle and what does that pattern look like and what are those averages really coming in? And how does that compare with the ratios of parking generation that we have in the original plan? My hunch is that, you know, if you've got your environmental hat on, you would hope that the trend is that lessen as visitors, guest owners, and users here in Zamas Village are coming with a vehicle, right? And I think there's anecdotal evidence that would support that. In fact, we know that it's there. That would be some of the data among other data that we would expect our traffic engineers and that analysis to unpack, right? And I think in that vein, there's a chance and an opportunity to go even further in terms of reducing the parking generation rates for the finish out of base village. Not just one building, but the entire go forward for the master plan. Next slide. Community purposes. As Julian described, most notably the Aquatic Center, as Julian described most notably the Aquatic Center. Major takeaways. This was generally understood that majority of the work session participants, and I think majority of the community today and for the last several years, recognize the Aquatic Center may not be as vital or essential as what was originally conceived 10, 12 years ago with the rec center now in place and in operation. And you know, we knew that. I think going through the work session and hearing such a consensus opinion has given us the confidence to accelerate this entire conversation. At one time we were thinking that might be kind of a step too. You know, let's get through some of the buildings themselves and let's get through some of the public improvements themselves and then we'll focus on the aquatic center or the community purpose later. That's not our current thinking now. Current thinking now is to bring it into the applications that will be coming together to support master plan changes now. So it's more comprehensive of an application if you follow. It's not sequential. We'll bring it forward. I think that, let's see here. I'm going to come back to the notes here. Yeah, then that's another major takeaway, obviously, the second one there. That's fairly obvious, but it was mentioned several times, obviously for driving vitality. And the notable quotes, really, this was probably the list of the best ideas that we've heard across the work sessions. Some of them were more provocative and interesting than others. Clearly, the destination training facility is peak to our interest. Do you agree? In one with a conversation about a Woodward center? There's one at Copper Mountain today, you know, the trading facilities for all that. Here's another one that we find interesting, multi-purpose facility that could perhaps bridge and serve several functions among others, you know, visual arts, performing arts, group business in the summer and the winter. Those types of ideas, clearly we're going to have lots of conversation and in fact one of our takeaways here is candidly this is going to require, this is going to require more community dialogue. That's our take. We'd like to come back with a short and list, but to get to that short and list we're going to have some more community dialogue. Next. The last topic that drove the two first, you know, the first two work sessions is obviously the phasing and the best. Key takeaways. Number one, majority of work session participants supported a vesting extension with conditions. I was sitting in that room, obviously with Dave Peckler and the balance of a couple other town staff. And I would say it's even the super majority of those participating in that work session on that round table supported this direction. But let's be clear, the last two words are probably the most important, right? With conditions and a lot of them and a lot of detail around the conditions. We heard that message as well. So bullet number two, they're the key takeaway. Here are some conditions, it's not a complete list, but among other things, you're obviously going to need to commit to public improvements, half-built buildings, and completing those, and also completing the entry to the base village itself. Both the physical entry as well as just kind of the figurative entry, which is ease of access and engagement with it. The vesting extension and the amount of support for moving forward was one of the big ahas for us. Candidly, we expected more negative pushback. And I say that to say this, not to kind of argue against our own position, but in fact, our position has been quite clear from all along. We've been asking for a vesting extension, but perhaps we were not doing a good enough job of communicating our willingness to commit to a series of conditions. And in my language that becomes milestones with kill switches attached to each milestone. You've heard me say that before. So a series of conditions can be translated into a series of milestones with kill switches, that is, the ability for the town to kill the deal or to kill the vesting for failure to achieve a particular milestone. And we can talk, in fact, we will talk in concept what those milestones should be. But that list of completing public improvements, completing half-built buildings, completing the entry to the base village, among other things, are some notable milestones. I like, you know, there's a couple of key quotes in the notable area there that I like number two, obviously, rather than focus on penalties, focus on working with the developer to finish the development. I try to, I'm laughing a little bit, but that's actually, that was a sincere statement. And it resonates with this notion of trying to find a common ground where we can partner and give each other a bit of room to affect forward progress. I do believe that there's great alignment. I do believe we do believe that there's great alignment around the idea notion of achieving forward progress. I think that goes all the way back to Kelly's community survey that she conducted in late last year. The number one feedback was finishing base village. Next slide. Let me now rotate into how we are responding. So some of this is more strategic, some of it's more tactical. It's not meant to be a complete list either, but it's meant to give you a flavor and a level of confidence that we're thinking comprehensively around all of these areas as we organize next steps. Right? So clearly advancing our business plans with potential partners for proposing the uses. That's consistent with what we've been saying, you know, even since the first beating. We do have L.O.I.S. that we're working with two major players, partners, for the two concepts that basically make up the master plan. Pivoting from condos into a vacation club for LAT-3, which is building 6.7 and 8. And pivoting from condos into a fractional club for LAT-2, which is buildings four and five. That's what that first, so we're continuing to advance plans. We're frankly trying to get to the point where, as Bob was talking about, we'd like to get to the point where we can explore, you know, basically reveal and just disclose who those partners are. We're not quite there yet, so I'm not at liberty to say. Advancing design concepts for us two and three, what I just described. What two is, as you know, I'm going to point over here to this other board for you guys. Can you everyone, Chris, can you see this guy over here? And roughly, so for a lot of us, you, you guys recall that includes buildings four and five, lot three again as I said building six seven and eight and lot eight is a singular, it's got one in piece of improvement on it's the second vice-froid building. And as you recall when we talked about master planning this includes includes the proposed change to include a mountain club outlet, base village mountain club outlet here in the ground floor of the second by Troy Building. So we're working with Oz and a couple other key engineers to advance those design concepts to reflect the business plan that we're trying to conceive of the two other partners. Bullet point number three is important. I think it's important with a couple of people that had raised it, Gus even raised it in meeting number one, you asked about the clinic. You asked about the what's the timing, what's the sequence for completing it, what is the operations plan, look for that thing. And we shared with you at the time, we had previously spoken with AVH. We intend to now carry that on with AVH, with Mr. Bonk and his team, to carry on the planning. And frankly, to get that, it's going to be completed. Our plan is to complete it as it's originally intended. It's designed and is approved to be a component of building eight. So that bullet point says we think that's essential and it's going to be frankly, there will be the front end of the improvements. Next one, working with the staff, obviously any PS as I've previously mentioned, we've already engaged with EPS and more importantly, we know that the staff and the town needs to engage with them directly so we've given written assurance for underwriting and will allow that relationship to proceed. Separately, they'll be helping us with some of our other economic impact analysis. But all that work will be completely controlled by the town staff and will help guide planning commission as well as council's review when we get to that point. And by the way, because the timing is of the essence, we know that we need to engage with them yesterday. Same thing for the next bullet. That's the traffic engineer, Felsberg and Hope. As we talked about updating the traffic impact analysis, we already reached out with them as well. That both of those items are very long lead items. They'll take several months for the work to be produced to a level that it becomes available for all of us to review and be able to kind of use as a sensitivity analysis. Next one, Exploring Alternative Alternate Community Purpose is based on Community Feedback. I talked about this earlier. We have the list of, you know, good candidates there, but we do think as a state in the next bullet, we actually think there's going to be, you know, additional community discussion on this particular topic. We think that can come about with the application or master playing application. We can propose a particular scheme, but we do expect additional community discussion here around that topic. I actually think it's a gut of a need opportunity for base village to help differentiate itself. So we should not, like I said before, we should not pack that in a subsequent chapter of the book. It should be accelerated and included in the master planning amendments here today. Final big picture item is obviously progressing around about design detail with staff. That work continues both with the towns consulting engineers as well as your own staff and are consulting engineers. So you got guys like SGM and Super-Singentary together with town staff, together with other property owners. Remember the roundabout touches the gas station, that's owned by Jeff and Jeff, so they have some influence in some say in the overall design and detail of the roundabouts. We're progressing with that with an expected start of the roundabout in 2015. Just you know, pour the record. Propose next steps. So, talked about what we've heard, we talked about what we're doing in terms of response, both affirming existing plans as well as modifying and growing the existing plan, ultimately getting to this next step. This is what we would see as a logical structure and in fact almost essential in order for us to affect forward progress together. It's simple, I've talked about it before. In fact, you've seen this slide before. It's to amend the development agreement to extend the initial vesting for a period of time and here come the conditions or if you will the milestones with the kill switches. There are several things that have to happen. So number one would be, okay, the developer applicant needs to submit what would essentially be. Look at that. It's going to affect bots, two, three, four, and eight. So that by, you know, by every sense of the definition, that will be a major amendment and that will be by a date certain. Within a matter of months we expect that sometime this fall frankly. Next one will be the commencement and completion and construction and the following public improvements by some date certain. Again, we can iron this out both with staff as well as with you when we get to this point of submitting for this structure. And our intention is that this structure will be submitted in a amendment here within a matter of a couple of weeks just for the framework. And we get the framework nailed down and approved. Then the milestones they basically start. They light up and we start pacing through a series of milestones that have kill switches attached to each one of them. And again the first one that we would expect that everyone would require would be that first bullet. That extension condition upon the submission of communities for us to 3 and 4. And then, moving on, the commencement and completion of construction of public improvements, and then the final two would be pretty obvious, would be that here's somebody who mentioned this. In fact, you had mentioned this. Committee to a start date and a completion date for 13b. So that would be added as a series of milestones that we would commit to. And then the last bullet is all the private improvements. It's completion and construction of lots three and two by a date certain. So again, remember, you can go to the next slide, actually. Lots three and two by a date certain. Again, this is lot three. And those include the buildings that are most prominent and the most neat of completion. And then lot two as well. And all of this is of sitting in the podium by date certain. In a previous bullet, we were committing to completing the roundabout, which is of sitting in the podium. By Dave's certain, in the previous bullet, we were committing to completing the roundabout, which is just off the slide here. We'd be committing to completing the wood road overlay. We'd be committing to completing the public entry into the park and garage itself, among other key completions. All right? itself among other key completions. Right? So to summarize, it is our desire and our goal to submit that application in a matter of a couple of weeks to staff and to get the process moving in order to nail down a framework based on the feedback that we've received now from the community and the consensus that we feel is being built and garnered here to move forward with a series of milestones and the first milestone would be to reflect the master planning that we're talking about. Billy that's that kind of wraps up our presentation and what we've heard and what we're talking about. Billy, that kind of wraps up our presentation and what we've heard and what we're responding with. I'll put it back to you. Thank you very much, Dwayne. At this point, it's probably good time to move on as we discuss to hear from the planning commission and then the council. here from the planning commission and then the council. So how does the planning commission want to turn it over to you that you guys will run for a minute? Okay a couple of thoughts to Wayne that I want to share with you on the proposal that you have given us. And I guess the first relates to- Bab, Bab, excuse me, can you get closer to the mic? Is it- Is that better? Much better. Okay. So the first one has to do with the parking hand and that traffic impact analysis and parking generation rate project that you're going to undertake. From my perspective, I would find it imperative that you include, you differentiate winter season from summer season. We did talk about that during the roundtable that we tend to be more flying and winter and more driving in the summer, and that should reflect the parking situation. Or be reflected in the parking reports, understood? Okay, the baselines are there too, by the way, to your intuition. And then, and secondly, I think we all have to be careful in reviewing this concept of a community purpose. First of all, it appears and it seems clear that the community doesn't consider the acqua center a community purpose. However, the people who have brought in to base village considered that having an acquist center as part of their decision when they purchased that kind of meeting unit. And in addition, people who come in to a fraction or come into a vacation club, then be looking for that type of amenity. So what I think, the way I differentiate these things is an acquisitor slash pool in that space is more of a visitor purpose than a community purpose. And I think it's important to keep that differentiation in mind as we figure out what the right amenity is to put it into base village. Also, in that same vein, some of the recommendations that you put up there seem to need to be more visitor purpose than community purpose. So again, I don't want to muddy the different, I think there's a different definition for each one. And they should be separated or at least understood that they're different. Okay, that's a different point. And I think that, those are my, I are my two major points. Let me just start going around Patrick. Okay. Where you have the four points of the extension. Okay. One is the roundabout, then the upper wood road improvements. And then the snowmelt system in the garage, and then the community facility. Yes. I think personally that the roundabout should be like one of the last things done. Just, it's just me. Right, right. I mean, it's gonna get trashed while this, it's just gonna take a beating, it's going to get trashed while this it's just going to take a beating. It's going to have to get done again. Along with the upper road. The next two things, the snowmouthing the entry into the garage is a definite has to be done. And the community facility, I would think, has to be a definite to be done. And whether there's a trade to take the roundabout for something else and also the overlay on wood road, I mean it's a discussion. I understand you comment. Thanks Patrick. Gus? First of all, doing I'd like to say that I like a lot of things about what you're proposing. I like the vacation club that I like a lot of things about what you're proposing. I like the vacation club concept, although I think all of us would like to see a little bit more about how that's going to work and who the operator or who the flag's going to be. But having said that, I'm going to just go through my list of concerns. And I've got several. One is I'd like to look harder at the vesting period. I think that that's possible to tighten that up a little bit and look at guarantees and penalties. You talked about kill switches and maybe that is somehow accommodates that concern, but guarantees and penalties sound a little more defined. Thirdly, and I think Bob said it a little more tactfully, but I think that with regards to the parking, I'm inclined to really want to study that before that parking gets reduced and the reasoning is that is a one-time opportunity to get close in parking and once that those buildings are built without parking or without as much parking then that opportunity is gone. So the parking is a concern. So Gus you're talking about the future buildings that have parking garages yet to be built. That's right. Right. Because obviously, right, we've got what we got so far. Right. Future buildings. Right. And then with regards to the pedestrian concerns, I think that's touched on. The big pedestrian concern in my mind is how do you get people across Brecht Creek Road at the Kerns Road intersection or the roundabout location. And I don't know what the right solution is. I think some creative thinking about that is still in order. Next my feeling is that we need to even look at more creative opportunities for the community purpose or the Aqua Center site. And I'm inclined to think that there shouldn be better served to be something that's much more open. However, I think the notion of vitality and nightlife are certainly important goals for that to be able to add to the building and the commercial that you already have. And then I guess I'd like to see at least concept planning for what happens with 10, 11, 12 at the time that you're doing the sketch plan submittal. For the major. Okay. And then finally, I guess I have a cup, one question which is I think I heard that the vacation club campus would accommodate about 41 units. I'm not sure where I heard that maybe no. Yeah, it's 70 to 85 is what it it okay potentially because I think the largest area of gain is in the building eight right remember those floor plans were 27 Mac Daddy's I don't know what the critical mass for for that vacation club activity campuses but I think the higher number sounds better to me yep and then the and then what was the flag? And what was the quantity that you were thinking about for the fractional? That actually, that universe will go down. That's at least by proposal, we would go down. There's 57 residences in that building five, and another four residences in building four. And so that would go down by about 20 or so and become a collection of wholly owned as well as fractional residences in that regime. If that makes sense. Yeah, and my sense is that in terms of vitality with the right flag, the vacation club is gonna be the most active. And then the fractional comes that step down from that and then of course the condo units are step down from that. So anyway those are my thoughts and again I would close by saying I do like more than my concerns since seem to indicate but I wanted to get those concerns out on the table. Thanks, Gus. Thanks, Gus. Tom. The way it's pretty obvious that the extension of the vestings would happen. I mean, I don't think we have much choice on that, okay? So that being said, you had talked about what would be next if that happens. Lot, lot, two, lot, three, and lot eight. Lot eight, you already have a permit on. Correct. Yes, we have a billing permit. We haven't picked it up. We haven't got it complete yet. We're still with water and sand at the moment, but we expect that shortly. And you had also mentioned in a couple of meetings ago that you've got 91 units on sold. It's down to 89. ago that you've got 91 units on sold at the advisory. It's down to 89, but yes. 89, OK. So I'm kind of interested in how, once that permit is put in place, what the next step would be, OK, in regards to are you waiting for 89 more units to be sold to make that step? I'd like to be able to say we were waiting on or we would affect two things, right? One would need to get the approvals for the mountain club aspect on the ground floor of that building. While number two, we continue to push sales even into the next winter season so that by spring of next year, that becomes a milestone that we would commit to the next year, that becomes a milestone that we would commit to to start that building as a condition of the besting extension. Okay, so then with that extension being in place and you had mentioned kill switches. These kill switches would not, the time limit on these kill switches would not start until for instance you broke ground on that building it depends on which type of milestone we're speaking about for example the first milestone is is not a break ground type of milestone that we are conceiving we would consider again the major application as a milestone a dates certain milestone and so let's say for example we missed that. And we just failed to cure, and we just kind of set it on our hands and do anything. Then the kill switch in that condition would be, okay, the vesting just expired. Well, I can't really speak for the whole community, but I think the community is very anxious for getting off the chair and getting going on this. There's no doubt about this. I mean, that's the reason for these three meetings in a row, the sketch meetings, and the get going on this. Yes, sir. I just want to agree with Patrick Keltey, in regards to the roundabout. I think even though it's one of your bullet points, I think it's going to get beat up if there was a way that we could think about doing the infrastructure and knowing that it's going to happen twice. It's going to, you know, whether it may even happen three times in an hour and lifetime here from the way that the progress of the whole base village is going. But I'm looking to take too much more time, but those are my concerns. And if I can, I very much appreciate that Tom, as it relates to the roundabout, we hear what you're describing, what patchers they've described as well. And I think what we're trying to make a commitment to the community is that it will occur, and we're willing to put financial security to it. Now, when it occurs, probably can be worked through the process both with staff and the larger public public taking into consideration your comment. There's the other side of the coin, so to speak, which says getting that device around about installed may be better for overall public safety. That's the kind of argument. I'm not saying we're almost agnostic. We can make an argument in either direction, but I think to the community's benefit, we commit with security to it. And it's no longer a debate of if, it's only a management of when. Is that a help? It does, and I think what we have to take a look at our seasons and regards to when we make the money here in this community. Obviously, don't want to start that in January 1st. People coming down the hill, we're not even used to seeing around about. Don't appear to be able to stop and we have a big problem going on. The idea of getting Jeff and Jeff from Connico, I think they're still in limbo, I assume, in regards to what's happening. I'm not sure about that end of it. The good news is that they own their land and obviously they always own their physical improvements. So they're now kind of perfect in that respect. And their voice is being acknowledged and we're trying to work with them as well towards impacts and access and flow. While at the same time, you know, the governor around the roundabout is the number one priority is obviously public safety. And we're taking guidance from the town's staff obviously there. Thank you very much. Cool. Thanks Tom. Thanks Tom. David. It just to clear up confusion in my mind, the only thing that changes in 13B is addition of a mountain club. That's your proposal. I think that to be clear to you, David, because of the introduction of the mountain club on the ground floor, there is one free market, there's a free market residence on that floor that we would lose. So to be clear, you'd lose one free market residence by inserting it on the ground floor. I'm sorry to be correct. Otherwise, it remains a condo or hookah. And under the vice-roaf flag too. I'd like to just agree with Bob Scott mad about the Aquatic Center it seems to me that from a point of view of making these units attractive you need some local swimming pool some water option. Yes sir. It's a selling point and it's a continuing economic viability point. Typically vacation clubs sell at a high price when their first belt and then immediately the aftermarket reduces the price. Let's see if we can't keep this looking like a good economic development. And on investing, I'm certainly glad to see you added 13b, but I think that we need something more in the way of financial penalties, not just triggers that allow the town to terminate your rights, but some financial penalties if you don't meet some of these milestones. I understand your statement. Thank you, David. Bill, you got it. Okay. Now let's move off to the council and we'll, I'll wait till the end there and start with the Chris. Sure. Thanks, thanks, Wayne. I just got quiet last time to make sure we had time for the public and I look forward to hearing from everybody tonight. Expressing no particular preference in terms of your proposal here, but trying to discuss them a little bit. One of the things that I thought about was, and we don't have any dates. I'm not sure why you didn't give us maybe some rough outlines, but we don't have any dates at this time, but we have discussions of kill switches. One of the questions that comes to my mind is some of the other dates that might be important or necessary to consider in terms of you meeting your obligations. So in other words, if the town of Snowmass Village or yourselves are engaging private consultants and the idea of that is to allow then the council and the community and the staff to review those. If there's not deadlines for those to be produced either by your staff or ours, I could see where we would need to have some understanding of what happens in that condition. So you're supposed to be January 1 doing x, y and z, but we don't have the information to make a decision about that. So there come that was one thought that came to me. A general comment that I feel to just ask like a really naive and simple question, and it can be answered now or later times is, you you know how would I know and how would I judge or how would I even consider why this is beneficial for the community. Just being what your proposal the the idea to move forward with a vesting framework is what you mean? And other details. Well you have a baseline condition called the status quo to measure it from. And I think we collectively, town, community, elected officials, and the developer itself, are all at a point where we recognize that status quo is not working. So to afford and to agree on a framework that enables forward progress, I can't see how that is at all harmful or gives up any foothold or traction for the community. In fact, it increases their traction. It produces that which everyone has been wanting, which is partnering alignment for progress. So to the dates, by the our, we were trying to be mindful of giving, at this work session, giving concepts and describing frameworks and recognizing that the detail and the meat to be hung on the, on the frame will come in the actual land use application. And we all understand that this is just a work session. It is by no means a signal or even remotely close to actually any type of decision. So with that in mind, if we got a comfort level on a framework and concepts, that's what this whole work session intent, I think, achieves among others, a comfort in the confidence level. And then we have the obligation to submit the detail, and you have both the obligation and the opportunity to review and decide. So by moving forward in this particular frame, I don't think you've lost anything. In fact, you're trying to create the climate in the context by which you get what you want, which is for progress, completion, and economic sustainability and economic vitality, and a completeness of the community. So, from my perspective, this is a very simple request. And I'm sure I'll get criticizes for the words that I'm using. But at the essence of it, you're not giving up anything. Right. And I appreciate, I think, what you said and to recap, I think I got your first two points, which is the value and the benefit is a framework for moving forward. And there is an assumption or that a lot of people agree with that. And so while I think that's important what you're saying, one of the interesting things I think with any project, you're kind of, you're 30,000 feet, you're down in the weeds, you're 30,000 feet where is it an ice rink or a, you know, a sweating pool. And somewhere in there, I guess I'm hoping at some point in time, as I said, not to hear about what we're not losing, but to hear about what we're gaining. What am I gaining for the benefit of the community? And so starting to tie that 30,000 foot to the grass is something that I'm just personally wondering, I often wonder about it. It's really easy to talk in a lot of jargon and about momentum and frameworks and all sorts of things. But, and then it's easy to get down into roundabouts and I'm trying to say what is good? What is good? What is beneficial? You added on a couple little bit, you know, sustainability, economic drivers. And so then I started to say, well, how do those work? How does this project, how does this proposal do that? So I'm just mentioning, I missed the last meeting and I apologize. I might have been able to ask some of the questions there at a health issue. Along those lines, one of the thoughts that occurs to me is, are there any new ways in which this proposal or project is good or beneficial for the community business environment, etc We've spent a lot of time on it as you guys have spend even more time Everyone is spending a lot of time so starting to get a sense that are there new ideas? Where's the creativity? Um, and specifically in regards to that I often think to myself some of the ideas have been brought up how does I often think to myself, some of the ideas have been brought up. How does this proposal and the ideas that you're dreaming up, and I know we're still away from looking at more concrete things, more concrete deals? How do they start to solve some of the ongoing problems that we've heard about? Everything from the Metro District or the community purpose aspects to the tri-nodele basis of the village. How, in my mind, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, your company has decided to buy most of the major commercial drivers in the town. And they happen to be still separated. There were a lot of ideas originally about how they might be incorporated. And mostly we've been just talking about base village because I know that's the way you're trying to get, and this proposal relates that. I'm just feeding out that I'm interested to hear, how does pedestrian access, how does bike friendly access, how does family focus, how does the concerns valid or not that the Metro district people have expressed? How do those things get addressed? Similarly, how does environmental sophistication in alignment with our towns, desires, and aims and plans try to do that? Since people have expressed some minor opinions, in terms of the community purpose or the aquatic center, I have to agree with the previous comments that it would be taken into consideration the original purpose and the people that bought there. That happened, life changes, but how do we manage that? How do we create a rewarding scenario for all those people? My personal feeling and it is only that, is that some of the ideas that we've looked at really seem to be similar to other mountain towns in terms of putting an economic driver right at the center location there and there's been other minor comments about how that might work with things like the emergency care center and things like this but so I've been tracking along with and very supportive of something like the Woodward Center or something, especially an ice rink, things that bring a family engaged community into your town and set them there. Like if anybody's been to the Vale ice rink and you go down there with four or five family members and drop a lot of cash. So I just continue to stay on that theme. And then one question I keep getting and so I'll just ask it, maybe you want to, is why 13B hasn't started? We went through a similar meeting of I might use the the term. I think I'm going to borrow it from our town, man, Dr. I like it's one of those best things he gave me was imposed pressure. There was a lot of imposed pressure to begin to race ahead. We had to get started. We had to look at the framework for that decision because we needed to get going. And I'm just wondering why we haven't gone. Three words, right? Supply and demand. Remember that. You're you're recording back in the fall when we asked for a minor amendment to modify the frankly the floor plans to make the the residences in the second building, 13B, more marketable and align better with the family type of what we were hearing is data on the sales floor in the first building. First first season sales, we sold 51. Second season was what? 12. And since the ski runs have closed, we sold another six or seven. So, supply and demand. As Tom mentioned a few moments ago, maybe you missed his comment. There's now 89 residents still to sell in 152. So supply and demand. It's that simple. It's that simple. We have to continue to push the sales of existing, why on God's green earth build something that competes with the existing inventory that you already have. And given the absorption, if you remember my first presentation on the first work session, we spent a good deal of time talking about the objective data as well as just the market fundamentals and the market performances. Why would you bring another 67 residences as 13B is currently approved for into and create a kind of a cannibalization of your own effort. So that's pretty straightforward. Now think about what we consider. So I make sure I recap and understand. So you're saying that in the time from your first presentation and suing months after after that there was a dramatic shift in your market analysis and your ability to sell and that's what has held up the construction. There's been a drop in sales, that's right. Okay. I mean, that's... As you want to make sure I got under so we were saying. There's been a drop in sales and it's, you know, you can chalk it up for any number of reasons or aspects and we can do a you know a war game scenario over that all day long but the bottom line is the fact that you have a bit of drop in sales. I mean again 51 down to 12 19 units. Yeah. So as we move forward we were thinking of ways and means to further differentiate that set of residences and this concept of the mountain club and adding that as an amenity as you heard in the first work session. I think it's a pretty compelling opportunity and you also heard the mountain club would have the aspect of a couple of venues one in the second by Troy itself and then one back in the core, probably position in building five. And that we think is a pretty compelling differentiation story against any other mountain club in North America, right? Kind of have best of all aspects in terms of access, convenience, amenities, and you know family experiences. There you go. So that's what we're looking at for that building. Does that help? Sure. Thanks. Thank you, Chris. Marky. Good evening. I know it's 10 after 5 and we only have till 6 o'clock tonight and I find that we tend to run out of time listening to our community. So I'm going to just make my comments very brief. I enjoyed listening to my colleagues from the Planning Commission and Mr. Jacobson and I look forward to the answers to some of those questions. I think what's important to me very simply is relative to framework. I want to be very clear that I do hope a framework with very clear specificity is what you're intending to present. I don't have time to read the fluff. And looking at the fact that we're going to see an application come forward at council investing, that means that's got to happen over the next few weeks to get it in the packets. Right. Well, one thing will be very important to me is understanding framework relative to that request. And I'll say no more on that issue. OK. And I'm sure Mr. Cooker has some comments. And I'm really interested in listening to the community this evening. Thanks. I'll be brief too. I am delighted to see your second bullet point what addresses the major concern that I expressed at the first meeting. That is the financial impact because I think it's going to be rather significant and it's really important that we all understand it and as I understand it, it's going to take some time to get that done. But it is, I think it's just crucial. Framework and investing. What I hope will happen is that there will be, and that you will come forward with the town staff and agreement for when things get done and that investing relates to when things get done. In other words I'm not in favor of just saying you get to 2019 but we have kill switches. I think that doesn't keep your feet to the fire enough. And I want your feet to the fire. And we all want your feet to the fire, because we all want you to go forward. So not only do I want besting more closely tied to what you do, but as several people have said, I would also like to see, I don't want to see another half-built building. So I would also like to see, I don't want to see another half-built building. So I would also like to see some guarantees or some security that once you start something, it's going to get finished. Those are my concerns. Thanks. Thank you, Fred. You know, we've heard a lot tonight and I think we'll be hearing some more. But after the last meeting, I'll say that I had had a number of folks come up to me and tell me they did not want to chime in at that time, but there were some concerns. And you've addressed, I think, most all of them in your initial discussions. Sometimes we haven't talked about, I think, our ideas that what trends and what things are going on these last ten years and where is the market. Are there groups or, as Fred Cooker had talked about a while ago, is there somebody who can help us understand what the tourism world is doing? What are they looking for? Are we going down a road that may not be able to be, you know, satisfy the groups that, you know, are going to be coming to vacation in the next 20, 30 years. Are they going to be driving? And I am very concerned about the parking. I wasn't real happy to reduce the numbers in the initial. And right now, I'm really concerned about hearing what you're doing. But I think those are going to come out in the wash. More discussion. More planning. But when I get back to this this other point was, is there something like the ULI, you know, you, yeah, Urban Land Institute group that is comprised of development folks and you know, community folks that can say what their crystal balls are, because I talked a lot of folks and I think that we don't get our heads out of the sand too much and we only look inside Stone Mass and we don't understand the the real direction that The traveling public the the clients that we aspire to bring here Want what their their needs are and their desires so I wonder if that's not a Direction we need to add to say we need some other expertise and other support to help us take the next step so that we can have as good of a crystal ball for ourselves as we can. There have been a lot of other comments and and I think you will address and will ask questions when you do come in with your plan. But this step and these kind of conversations to me help us understand that there is some movement. And you are willing to take risks. The community is willing to take some risks. We all speak of when wins, and it's not always going to be a win-win, but we recognize that we have to work, I think, in a direction to give you some extensions. And the question gets to be, where is that comfort level? And with those triggers, how can we move forward without just saying, hey, we're pregnant, we gotta do this thing. Because a lot of folks are coming to me in these last few weeks and saying, this is very, we have to be very concerned and cautious. But at the same time, let's not stop the movement, the forward progress. We've got an army we're trying to move forward here. How do we make this function to where, at the end of the day, you know, we're not dealing with the same problems we've been dealing with these last five years, which weren't your fault, you know, with an R fault, but there were some things I think that we and you could have done a little better. And, you know, I'd still love to see a hotel product in here somehow. But I know that those were all challenges. Some of those movements and some of those times that you were talking about starting to build a spring gave me some really some good feeling that you were willing to take risk. I knew the town was going to have to at that point. So I believe that when she start making some progress and you start pulling permits and recognizing, yeah, you know, you haven't been selling anything, but if you start making some, you know, inroads into this, improving what we have going across the street. I think that will help the world see that there is a value in Stomas, that your products are very good products and they're worth getting into. So, I think it's spout off a little further, but I think we'll stop it at that moment. On the comment of the the markets or trends analysis, ski resort market analysis at a broader scale than the suggestion of ULI, I think that would be very helpful. I think it would be a component perhaps that we lay into the major application for lots two, three and eight and four, frankly, that broader piece because that's the spot where you'd want to dig in deep and understand from a comparative perspective, that's what you're suggesting. No different than the EPS, you know, the fiscal and financial impact analysis and no different than the transportation and parking analysis, there's virtue and benefit. It probably makes for a stronger ultimate approval or a decision if you will. I think that's the direction I was looking at because I think that would help. We understand in a shorter time frame understand just throwing darts at the board. Exactly. Understood. Thank you. Okay. Now I'd like to move off to the public. I see a few hands out there and Mr. Morkin. I'll start with you. State your name for the record if I haven't so that we're on to get this down and speaking to the microphone. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. My name is Arnie Morkin and I appreciate you calling on me first only because in the next 15 minutes I've got to leave and do my other job at the rodeo. And I want to just mention a couple of things. Councilman Jacobson, you're right. How do you get a handle on all this? I would suggest to you that what we've heard is a whole bunch of pieces of information and it's like thrown mud up against the wall and you see which sticks and which doesn't stick. And the reason that you're having so much difficulty is because we're not following and it isn't even proposed to follow the procedures that are outlined in our land use code. For example, we're going to do a traffic analysis and we're going to present it to you, Council, and you should do a traffic analysis and then we'll talk about it. But we haven't got an application. That's done in the application. The application says, I'm going to reduce the number of parking spaces by X. And here is the traffic analysis, which is required to show you. You go to your traffic analysis, you come up with a decision. Easier to do than if you just see what falls off the wall. Second point I want to make and the only other one I want to make is to, uh, Mr. Goodie. You darned required to grant an extension. The one thing that seems to me that related whatever other names you want to call it is doing is they want the extension and we're going to tell you about how we're going to do things. We're going to give you triggers. We're going to give you kill switches. This community has had a kill switch for the last five years. What good did that do any of us? Mr. Cooker has got the right idea. Mr. Retovstis got the right idea. No more kill switches. You don't get your extension. But then you say, but if I don't get my extension, how am I going to have time to do the land use application? You suspend. You got to think out of the box. What do you do? You suspend. You have five months left from approximately today in which you're vesting ends. But you've got to submit a bunch of applications. Now how are you going to do that in five months? Well, you can't. Everybody knows that. Do you just roll over and give them the extension and say, well, we hope you get it all done. No, you don't. You suspend the implication of the loss of vesting for the same five months. And you say, OK, you've got to do this. You've got to do this. You've got to do this. And if you don't do it, your five months begins to run again. And it's over. You don't have to grant the extension. So I would submit that if you follow the process and if you think out of the box a little bit, you can accomplish both things both for the developer and absolutely for this community because we're hurting. Thank you Hey, Billy. I got it. I've got to respond It's for clarity. It's it's not our intention just to go conduct some studies and analyses as was suggested by the public And just throw that out there. It's actually a condition and a requirement of a land use application. I know that you guys understand that perhaps I was implicit or inferred that, but it is explicit. Let me be explicit. That's a component of the land use application. And let's be clear, we're talking about a minor application and they'll down the framework that would then set this thing into motion. The next and first, first milestone would be to submit a Elaine Hughes application in a major in the fall, October 15th for Schitzing Giggles. And it has all of those components attached to it, all the required elements to make for a complete submission for clarity. Thank you, doing. There's a hand in the back of the room. Yes. Please come up to the microphone. Hi, I'm Joy. Yes, you do. Hello, everyone. My name is Neetran Finley and one question I have going through all this and listening to this is snowmass and the identity of snowmass. I know that prior to the recession or however you want to label it, we really didn't have an identity I think because everything was going so well and snowmass with snowmass. Now I feel like there is an identity crisis in snowmass. What are we? And I would just hope for the council and related that you can work together to figure out what is snowmass now. We are entering into a new realm in terms of our owners and in terms of our new buyers. So what is snowmass? And I want to address that court Bob, you had a great topic about the Quatic Center. Can we, the town and related, make something there to state what Snowmass is? A web bedroom committee of Aspen? Or are we a family community? What are we? Because Aspen really is the true draw. And Snowmass, as you see on the internet and stuff, you put on the computer.? Because Aspen really is the true draw in snowmasses. You see on the internet and stuff you put on the computer, it's Aspen snowmass. When do you ever see snowmass, Dash Aspen? So my question is, or my thought process, can we do something to really stand out that snowmass, snowmass? And the second thing I would like to address is, you know, there's been some comments about the kills which the dates. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no It big-related put a skin in the game basically more than just running out of you know, rezoning it or or taking away entitlement Really put make them put some skin in the game monetary. I don't know what but we can't have this fully more in snowmass for this many years Snowmass has got to come back and it's got to be revitalized somehow Or else we're gonna to have another highlands. And I know that's a little drastic to say. We won't. But I'm just speaking out loud. Thank you very much. Thank you. Hello. OK. You. My name is Richard Goodwin. I live at 385 Fairway Drive. And I have a fundamental question because in correspondence by an attorney I hired, Trent Palmer, with your attorney, Mr. Dressler, I don't think he's heard of it. No, he's at a CML meeting. Yeah. And the questions that have been raised is, how did the PUD survive the bankruptcy? There are so many conditions that were required by approvals by the council for this, that, and the next thing to happen, and they never came before the council. So I question the validity of the PUD in the first place. I think we should let it die a peaceful death when November 3rd and let related come again because the concept of a PUD is in Colorado land use laws that you can over-lay and existing zoning and do whatever you want. Another vehicle that we later could use is a zoning variance, parcel by parcel. And that way we would know a lot more of it. The other thing is, this company now is a shell. It's a subsidiary of related. If it has any substance to it, you should ask for a financial report. What are the assets? What are the liabilities? How can any of the promises that they make be fulfilled? Or will the mothership relating in the big apple? Will they guarantee in a believable way, either by bonding or put up an escrow fund. And the other point where I make this, these uncompleted buildings are an eye sewer to this community. I think the first thing that related a lot of do to demonstrate good faith is complete these buildings even if they modify what they were intended to be in the first place. And take this ice or away from us or the incomplete building should be leveled, should be trashed. That's happened and I've been in real estate all my life. I know that has happened a number of times. Brand new buildings have been destroyed because of problems as it relates to a number of things. So I'd like my first question to relate it or to this or goes body. How did the PUD survive the bankruptcy? Thank you. Thank you. I've got a hand up in the back that might be able to give some clarity. Mr. DeFrancia. Madam members and council members of the commission, I'm Jim DeFrancia. I served as the receiver and the reason in response to Richard's question, the reason it survived is because there's a big difference between an underlying land use entitlement and the financial circumstances associated with the ownership. And it's like sand well what a house is for closed, why doesn't the zoning go away? It doesn't go away. So they're totally separate issues. So the land use that's here is here independent of what the circumstances were that provoked a receivership and what end of the receivership when it was reacquired by the original developer. I also want to comment on behalf of I'm acting as an advisor to Capitol Picks and Hayden associations. With regard to the Aqua Center, I think there was a reasonable expectation on the part of those owners and they were looking to the eventual construction of something in the way of an Aqua facility. I very much support what Bob said. I think a facility of some nature out there that creates vitality as an extraction to visitors, that promotes utilization is in everyone's interest including the President owners of those kind of minions. I know that David seconded that and I think that it doesn't have to be a center like a public facility, but something in the way of an appropriate aqua amenity would be in everyone's best interest. And I think those can and are designed on the basis that they offer some year round potential opportunities as well to serve as gathering points in vitality centers. So I would like to suggest that that be seriously considered by my friends and developers here as they go forward. Thank you. Thank you Jim. Please step forward. Hi thanks Billy. Thanks Mr. Mayor. I'm Mary Butler. I have a place on Wood Road. Does anybody else in here live on Wood Road? Crestwood Conplay, Chamonix. Okay. I'm speaking Mary. You need to speak into the microphone Okay, I'm speaking. Mary, you need to speak into the pipeline. So, I'm speaking from myself. I want to round about and I want it now. Going up and down that road has been over the years a challenge, a timely challenge. I think the roundabout could serve several purposes. I think it would be a safety feature to have a halfway point in that intersection. Also, it would be a symbol of yes, this really may come true. This hole in the ground may finally be filled in if there's a starting point and the starting point could be the roundabout. I want a roundabout and I want it now. Thank you. Thank you. Other comments? Don't be shy. I've got another half an hour. Mr. Ethridge. Thank you. My name is Wayne Ethridge and the General Manager of Woodrun 5 Condominiums and I'm sensing a little bit of a Stockholm syndrome here. You know, you have a role and you know your role, which is to protect the public interest and it's difficult to define what that is. But I'm going to try to speak for my owners and what I've heard over the past few years, which is when are they going to complete base village and by base village, I mean the two unfinished buildings that are down there. I think that has to be the highest priority of this council. I understand the concern about the roundabout. I go through it that area every day and it's rough and the section of wood road up by the crestwood is very very dangerous I understand that what I would Respectfully suggest to the council is that any vesting of rights investing of rights of course Is up to you it's not up to the developer is that it have very specific penalties in other words The two buildings need to be completed. I believe it's seven and nine, is that correct? Seven and eight. Seven and eight. Need to be completed within a specific timeframe. Whether it's three years or whatever the timeframe is. A development plan should be submitted, it should be reviewed independently by someone that the council appoints to see if it can be built within that timeframe. You've got a three year vested period for the entire development, but if those two buildings aren't completed and let's say three years, that's the end of vesting. Those are the kind of triggers I think that you need to protect the community. Thank you. know your background and I'll just say that you and I met on the days I think we arrived in snowmass at Sally's ski view and had a nice little discussion and you came to town back in those days to do what? Well fascinating enough I came to be the town planner not sure the town wanted a planner at that time yeah I came here in 1981. Well local's always talk about it like it gives us credibility, but I've seen developers come and go through the years and, you know, your job is, and I forget who said it, well, say, hold their feet to the fire. You know, this is somewhat the same team, somewhat an unproven team. They need to show that they can get the job done, and they need to start yesterday. Thank you, yesterday. Thank you man. Thank you Bill. Any others? Okay. After hearing that or any other comments from this table and nope nope nope. No, I'm not going to let you go in early. You still got relief. Some people have rodeos to go to, and some people have other things. But I'll make one kind, Mr. Mayor. I was going to be totally contrarian, but express it, because I've heard it from some of our constituents, and I often think it myself. In terms of the implied desire and so-called majorities that feel a pressure to move forward. I would like and I'd love to see the vitality and the progress and the development and the economic drivers and the sustainability, and I'd love to see and be achieved throughout the whole town, through the whole town. Everything from sidewalks or safety issues to larger economic drivers that might really bring people here. But I just want to say, I feel as someone said, we've had a kill switch for five years. It'd be great to get the kill switch into a different position. But I personally don't feel, and this is not relative to expressing any preference to your proposal tonight. I'm just expressing a general opinion that I've had long before this proposal and just my observations. The towns lived in a way through the worst, excuse me, the worst part of the process. And as you'll say, I'm not necessarily in a hurry. And I want to be thoughtful and considerate and conscientious in terms of the benefits for both parties, for the benefits for your company, in getting the right, getting your objectives met, and the benefits for your company and getting the right, getting your objectives met and the benefits for the town. And thinking about, again, I'm repeating myself, but I don't mind doing it. How does it fit into the whole process? How does this, there's an interesting kind of a town and gown philosophy I experience a lot. Everything but base village should be a horse farm. It should be a pastor and nothing should happen there. There shouldn't be sidewalks, you know, don't move the lawn, don't put up sides. And so we spend all our time focused on this one aspect of base village. And I'm just presenting to you as, I'm talking to everybody, I guess. I am presenting that I'd like to see us consider the community as a whole. I'd like to consider how your major development, probably the largest in terms of financial commissities, also relates to these other aspects, whether it's the center, the town park, the other outlining areas in the town as a whole. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Chris. the other outlining areas in the town as a whole. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Chris. Okay, not seeing any other hands up in any of the folks here. I'll just make one short statement here, I think, that I'm interested in seeing this project move forward for a number of reasons. I do believe that if we take the approach of sitting and waiting, it's going to become more of what's been going on these last few years. I've seen a number of properties really dip in the bottom, go downhill tremendously, whether it be the condo market, the single family market, the housing market, I think that we need to start working with a developer not against it. I understand that there are a lot of concerns and a lot of folks who are very, don't wanna see a mistake made again, but it takes risks. And I think we are at that place in time where we need to work towards getting some completion of this. I think the construction restarts, I think of related as willing to take risks, their company, their investors. I think the rest of this place will follow along in a little bit of a lag time. But I think the world will see it's a great place to be again. And there will be some value. And there will be some getting back to some of the other numbers that folks were seeing. I don't believe it's going to happen back to that same level. We all say that. We all see that. But I do believe that we can't afford to sit here and just wait for something to happen. We need to push each other and move forward. And you and the public need to come talk to us when we're not in this room. Let us know what you're thinking. Talk to us. Help us formulate some plans so we can work this together. That being said, Tom, what do you, I think we'll try to wrap this up. Get out here early and let you and Julian have a comment. Thank you. Well, we've been through the three meetings that were originally proposed here. I think we've got a lot of really good constructive conversation and comments regarding what related is bringing forward. So I'm wondering if there's a consensus in this room that we can call these meetings successful as far as the public input goes in this initial phase and move forward. You know, Tom, that question to me is kind of rough because it is a very small number of folks who have had comments, but you know, we are the elected and appointed folks, so I think it is probably a fair question to say is it something we can move forward with? So is this something that I guess the council, because we're going to be the ones that are under the day believe it's appropriate to you know Support related moving forward with a plan. I Think it's imperative concur I'm your question if I understand if we've heard enough public comment. I don't have an opinion No, no, if we if this, these meetings have been successful. Yeah. I'm not going to express an opinion whether I think it's appropriate or not. I think is some of the public comments. There's a process we're going through it. We have been advised repeatedly by council, by our town council, to let the applicant put the application forth and see it when we get there. I know it'd be nice to give directions, but I'm not gonna do so at this time. Well, here from the planning commission, you know. It's our residence. We've had nothing to do for a while, so send us an application. I'm new to board, but for me, I'm not new to the community, but it seems like we're shaking the sheets out of the room and we're hearing that's what has to happen. We need to get started. Yeah. Anybody else? I'd like to say that I think the pre-scatch plan notion is really good and I appreciate you're at related coming forward with that. The next step is a sketch plan which is still early in the process. So pre-sketch plan is an opportunity for a little dialogue in Dwayne. I don't know if this will help shape your product or not, but sketch plan is the next step and we're ready to see it. Julianne? Yeah. Anything? Sketch plan is the next step and we're ready to see it. Julianne, anything? Yeah, I just want to make sure that the community understands that this is not the end of the discussion. There are still opportunities for people to provide input through our town website, through the Twitter account as well. So they should feel free to continue to provide some of that feedback to us. And I also wanted to clarify for those who are not familiar with our Landje's process that the determination of the process is done through my department. And so it's a matter of, in terms of next steps, the applicant will put forward an application. And based on what they put forward, we determine what that process will be and then we will process it accordingly. So that's how it will, that's the next step from here. We just were really hoping to hear that you are comfortable that they should move ahead, push forward and of course, staff is ready and willing and able to help them get through whatever process it is that comes out of that. Very good. Gary Tudor. Thank you. Just another clarification that, and a question to Dwayne and Craig, this pre-sketch process is unique in that it allows, and this has been said multiple times, informal dialogue, and once this is over, then an application is submitted pretty much the dialogue stops. The process becomes quasi-judicial, and as judges sit at the bench, you can't talk about it, you can't talk about it outside these chambers, everything becomes quasi-judicial. So my question of Dwayne and Craig is, have you guys received enough specificity through these discussions to feel comfortable moving forward with an application? If not, now's the time to ask the questions or question of this group for more specifics. So we are confident. We are confident. We are confident. We are confident. We are confident. We are compelled and we will move forward with staff and get the detailed organized and allow Julianne to make that determination and keep this process moving. It's coming. Thank you. And I wanted to make sure, too, that the public understands that once an application lands, it does become a quasi-judicial process. So these informal dialogues cease. They pretty much cease. So it's difficult sometimes for the public to understand when they want to corner you and talk to you outside this process. But you will hear at time and time again from legal counsel that all discussions once an application lands occur in these chambers. I was just going to say thank you, John. Very good. Well, that being said, I'd like to adjourn this session. Make a motion to adjourn. Is there a second? That's Fred, all in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? We are adjourned. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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