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So all you have to do is say prior approval for the meeting on the 21st and I inform him that I would present. Well, if he would me have called me, maybe I could have had that conversation with him. But he may have tried that. He actually emailed me to make sure I was available. And anyways, I'm presenting in his behalf and how you act on that request is up to the floor of you and you're to say thank you very much, Mr. Der. I can imagine that conversation we should allow Mr. Jacobsen to pass on the attendance for his family's health reasons and those kind of things. I totally agree. It's not a good situation. It's a very difficult situation. But in the future, people could give me a call. That would be wonderful. Then we could go from there. I must say, I didn't think of that. That's all right. It was about five o'clock on Wednesday. Oh good. Alrighty. Thank you, Jen. Now moving on then I don't remember too. Are there any public and agenda? Seeing none, chance of updates. Mr. Cooker, anything from you? Nothing. I just got a couple of questions and I'm at the part-time resident advisory board meeting in a few of those things. I had some questions about, oh, some issues, a house up on Alcrete Road and how those things had happened. And I didn't really have a great answer. And I said, well, talk to Julie and when she gets into the room. Someone added a few things that Julie could mitigate those. And I didn't know. I didn't say that. I just said there are some things that the community development, even though she's new, might be able to answer better. But one of the questions in my mind was that I've understood, it's not part of the Stomach's homeowners area. And that happens, Mr. Dresser had explained to me that it's part of the process of the PUD. And we didn't push that in there, but I had sort of thought, apparently, incorrectly, that any home in Stomach is not part of that. They have to request to come in one way or the other. And so I don't know if that should, you know, should do some future discussions to see if there was anything that does happen in snowmass, has to go through that, which is sort of my hope in understanding, but I think that has to be apparently more of a community discussion and a council discussion. So I have a question, relative to your question. So even on design, is that part of just the homeowners or is design part of the entire? Well Julie, I want to know the process is just a little good. We have had a lot of questions about it. It's anything for a couple minutes because we'll probably go into this at a future time. But if there can be just a simple as simple as possible conversation about this issue today and are anything we can do with the future homes there. I'll leave that latter part for the attorney, but it's my understanding that as it relates to Sinclair Meadows, that was, that went through a PUD process. It was related to mitigation, related to base village. And as part of that, PUD process, there was a set of design guidelines that were developed by the applicant and approved by City Council, which specifically indicates that their homeowner's association would be responsible for design review. And I had recently met with Donna, who runs the homeowners overall association, got some clarification from her, and she specifically said, no, they are not included. We do not review them, review all other single family homes in the village, but not them or the pines, I think, was the other So so there were a couple that she said we don't do those so We do we did pull out the design guidelines Just to verify we had had some inquiries come into our office recently For people who have seen the house for the first time, I think is what happened. And we had some exchanges of emails with the developer. And that would be Andrew Light. And we said, you know, it's frustrating for people to come in and we send them to Andrew Light and then Andrew sends them back to us. And so Andrews, you know, after some some communication said no, just send them to me. I'll walk them through it so that they understand what's going on. But yes, that did not go through the Snowmass Homeowners Association. It didn't have to go through them. We did do zoning review. It was compliant according to our code. And so we signed off from a zoning perspective when a building permit was issued. Now they did get an overall landscape plan for that project approved by the town, but each of the individual home sites also have a landscaping requirement that is again reviewed by that homeowner's association their design review committee. So my expectation is that that landscaping plan probably isn't going to mitigate the house in question. But we don't have anything else that would basically have that come through a different process. I understand. So it sounds like if we want to do something different, we need to discuss that at another time in the future. But comments for today. I think I heard mainly a comment about the Ridge Line protection ordinance and whether this house was compliant with that. Was it reviewed for that in the zoning review? Yes, it was. Yes, it was. And I think that the ambiguity related to that is as that we refer in the code to the mountain top, you know, it's the backdrop that we're trying to preserve. The view isn't going to break that ridge line and we have a number of what we would call almost like nobles, you know, we're properties sit on a knoll or what have you and so you know but they're part of a bigger bro bigger mountain top so that's the way it's been interpreted in the past and that's the way it was interpreted this time as well. Okay. I thought one part of melting was not part of the snowmass homeowners as well. Yeah. I'm looking at John. Well like in the pines and the two creeks, the pines and the divide, we are a member of the Thomas homeowners. But we have a master, our own review first, that the pines looks at and the divide looks at and then they push it on to the Thomas homeowners. So my experience was everything had a master. So that's why I expected. But let's do that later. I think we put it back on agenda. I'd like to see on an agenda just the overall. What our framework for architectural review is in the residential context. Why does that power lie with the homeowners? It does the town have the option if we wanted to overlay a new architectural review ordinance that the town actually has some per view over that. Is that an option? I think it'd be good to look at that. So you want to have a general discussion about what your options may be in the future? There's a council. Yeah, okay. I agree. It's the best interest of the community. Okay, then I'll we had a great weekend. I think a lot of the people were in town. I have a super weekend. I think a lot of the people were in town. I have a super time. I like a lot of businesses were doing okay. And I just want to say thanks for the wanderless folks and all the other folks that we're here and we appreciate their time. And good time. What's the slide we can mark? You move on to you for a while. I really don't have anything and important relative to the town but for those of you who frequent the Aspen Music Festival, we need to applaud their creativity and the great programs we had over the weekend. It was great and I look forward to the rest of them for the season. Very good. Mr. Hayber. I'd like to just give another compliment to our marketing department and bringing in the wanderlust events. It was a very cool event. One of the more interesting and I think forward-thinking events that we've had around here for a while. I got to go just look around. I thought it was very cool. I also took the opportunity, the new operators of Criblinic had an invitation in the paper to come look at an open house and I took the opportunity to go up and see what they've got going on and meet the new operator or general manager I guess. Danny Phillips seems like a really good guy and the operation as far as I could tell seemed maybe as good as it could be in the context of that type of operation. So I would just say there's some cautious optimism as far as that that whole operation maybe turning around and would encourage folks in the community that have concerns about it or that have been following the story over time to maybe go up and take a look and see how things are going now. And then the last thing, I don't know, I just want to follow up on the wildfire conversation. The presentation we got, I think that warrants more discussion from this council in terms of how we address those issues related to wildfire. So I'm not sure what that next step is. To me, it was a call for mitigation of standing dead timber and things like that and possibly finding funds for a clearing program. And I don't know if that onus lies with the fire protection district or the town or a combination of both but it seems like an opportunity and a real need for us to address. So. I think Jason, part of the idea was to have a combination of the town as long as homeowners and the fire department get together and have a conversation. But I think that's, you know, a little bit later. Yeah, I just want to echo Jason's comments on the fire mitigation. I was at an event for part of the far away homeowners over the weekend and many people that are residents of that area came up and wanted to know how we could form a block of individuals that could go out for bed. Whereas the Snow's homeowners association, I did talk with Rick Griffin a little bit, and I think I sent an email out to all of you that'd be great if we could get a task force or something going on this issue, because it's more relevant than what many of us give it and thank you, Jason, for bringing it on. Or one, I think about. Yeah, we want to get it done. Well, the president of the Stomach Homeowners is no longer Rick. It's right here. I know. Yeah, I knew that. So it is something I think that we're looking at putting together in the future in the next, hopefully next couple of months. But depending on our timing and the fire department, I mean, the fire department will make time for anything like that. So if we can think about that sometime that we can Gary put us something in the schedule for a work session or something. Let me suggest this. Please. Why don't we have staff get to get a first and get the fire chief and Joe Farrell and town representatives, perhaps Donna with the MasterHOA, but she's still managing. She's the administrative person. Yeah, so maybe we get together. We start to formulate some concepts and ideas and try and frame a discussion that we can bring that back for a future work session, let you know what we've come up with. That would be great. Thank you. If you answer Jason, That's it for me. Then let's move on to item number four, environmental advisory board update. You've got Lindsay on this and Kelly. Looks like just Kelly's here right now. Yep, and I'll be delivering this update on the board's behalf as their staff liaison. And again, Kelly, Von, director of communications and the staff liaison to the Environmental Advisory Board. So just to keep Council up to speed on what the board is up to, I think our last update, Sally Sparhawk, our chair at the time gave in September of 2013. Lindsay Polardi is our new and current chair. And she couldn't be with you today, but asked for me to deliver this on the board's behalf. So basically what your memo takes you through is some of the following areas of focus that the EABs had over the past year. And of course the board, you know, as a volunteer board, sort of responsible for working with staff and with council to update and implement aspects of the town sustainability plan. So we've done a lot of strategic planning as of late where the board has talked about what areas specifically they want to focus on and what's realistic to accomplish over a year's time. So this year we've really been focused on ramping up support for green events. This is in part due to better alignment with snowmast tourism, but also in part to a few resident complaints we had had in the past about some of the not-so-green things that people would see at events. So we've been partnering with staff to provide even basic recycling services at town events, but we've also developed a green events checklist sort of mirroring the ASPIN Z green program that currently is a voluntary program. ASPIN had it as a voluntary program for a few years, it eventually became a mandatory program. So I know that's an idea that the board has at this point and really starting as a resource to event organizers but hopefully making that something that's more systematic. And we're finding that as we work with event organizers, many of them go far beyond what we ask in the checklist and that's something that they do, in part because of their own environmental stewardship, wanderlust, ragnar, and mammoth fester great examples of events that really go above and beyond. So for the events that do do a great job, helping them out in publicizing those sustainability measures is something that the board's been focused on. The next is water conservation and reducing water pollution. So as you know, Debbie Shore is on our board, and she's also with the Snowmass Water and Sanitation District. So she's been a great liaison back and forth with the district. And they have just kind of finalized I know that's coming to you in short amount of time their water conservation plan. So we've met with kit on several occasions to discuss different aspects of the plan and where the EAB might be a resource for them given that board strengths to implement various aspects of that plan once it's set in stone. Next up is environmental awards. So we saw at the last Thanksgiving potluck, the first business awards were presented and will continue to give an annual staff award. Just to the idea there is to publicize some of the great work that's being done in town, both by staff members and our local businesses. And then as you know, the EAB played a role in the efficiency project that was approved by Council to utilize fully cross-community enhancement funds, both in selecting the proposals and developing the RFP that board continues to be active in publicizing and both following that project. And then overall, driving community awareness. So whether it's the recycling changes that have come down the pipe or developing messages, poignant messages on town environmental topics, the EAB is been incredibly supportive to me as we continue to do outreach. So that is a bit about what the board has been up to. And if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them to the best of my ability, sure. Any questions for Kelly? One of the questions, Kelly, when I'm out on the hill, seeing these events going on, and I see the multiple different trash bins people have, I do see a lot of times where people aren't very focused on putting the right thing in the right bin, and sometimes it pollutes the stream of the recyclables. What are other folks doing to try to prevent that or other communities or other things that can happen or are we just assuming that to do that right, you've gotta have an individual at each trash can to point in, no, that goes here, that goes there, that goes there. So there's a few different things. First is bin placement. So you'll see in the checklist that it's always recommended that you never have a trash bin or recycling bin living alone, right? Because then if you're by the recycling bin and you have more trash, you're more likely to throw it in or you know't want to go have to go to separate places to throw away two separate things. So pairing a recycling bin always next to a trash receptacle is something that we recommend in the checklist and that sort of best practices. So bin placement is number one, but number two, in order to prevent all contamination and they say if you're doing compost, for example, where contamination is a huge risk. With single-stream recycling, it's hopefully we'll see less contamination of the recycling bins, but yeah, basically with contamination, that is the biggest challenge to an effective recycling program out of vents. So really the best thing you could do is have a green team and have volunteers and have someone literally there at the bin telling people Right this goes here that goes here that goes there But with a lack of Staff or volunteers we felt that wasn't really realistic at this point Given that it is a volunteer board. So really it's outreach and education. So bin placement and outreach and education and We have some banners that go on top of the bins that will put out for the next Thursday night concert that basically say, hey, take a look before you toss it in because contamination is a huge challenge. Jason, just on the green events, why make it voluntary at this point? I mean, there are some pretty fundamental best practices in terms of operating events. Why not choose some of the most basic and just make that standard operating procedure for doing an event here in some of this? And we could definitely do that and I think part of it had to do with timing. We have sort of an internal events committee that we've just launched this past year where we have a lot of, we have a lot better staff communication About upcoming events. So this is something that's come up and you know Sloan and community development is taking a look at the temporary use permit Process and how that all works and so we sort of said okay if this is a change that we want to set in stone Why don't we align that with any This is a change that we want to set in stone. Why don't we align that with any code changes that we may at a future time bring to council? So it's all in one nice, tight, clean package. And we felt that if we were seen as a resource, rather than, you know, lead with the carrot versus the stick, show that we can provide a resource, but also help publicize the great things that people are doing, that we might be able to be more effective in the first year and then once people see the benefit of it say, okay great, you know you guys have done a great job moving in this direction since many of our events are repeat events and go from there. I think it's great. I saw the checklist. I liked a lot of the questions you're asking, but without putting basic standards, it's somewhat hypocritical to try and be a green resort and allow, you can tell us how many recycling containers are you gonna have while we're gonna have zero. And there's no. And those are pretty bear, the things in the checklist are pretty bear-balanced. They're the basics that should be, at this point, an expectation. Well, I for one would like to see that evolve into something as far as a list of required baseline operating practices that are more in line with some of those values. I think that'd be great obviously implementation during the summer season. It's like forget it. I mean, temporary use permits are already been issued and people have all their plans together and their budgets together. But I would like to see some changes into next year. I think that probably makes some sense to look at the future. Yeah, I've seen some slides. You think it's great. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Kelly. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I development. Definitely one area that they see is a big opportunity and we've had a lot of staff attending various EUB meetings and coming in and out based on the topic at hand and being a resource to town staff is something that they've really put high on their priority list. So that's been a great role that they've stepped up and played. Right. Thank you. Moving on to item number five, update on entry planning process. I have just a few slides to kind of reinforce what the packet material is and hopefully gives you a better understanding of how we envision this process and this project progressing and we have several members of our staff here who I'm suggesting would also be part of the process that we would be going through. So that this process did start back in 2003. There was some work that had been done including the plans for the recreation center evolved during that time frame. Lots of activity had gone on over the years in this area, the transit center, the roundabout, etc. In 2008, with the economy, it was put on hold by the council at that time. But in 2011 the project itself made its way back into the strategic plan and has been carried forward through the 2013 Strategic Plan that City Council is now reconsidering. So the location, as you know, is Town Park and I would say that it's more than just town park because I, you know, planner, I typically look at a much bigger, broader perspective to see all the inputs that are adjacent, et cetera. So I would expect that as we go through this process, we'll also be looking at the affordable housing because we do have some housing lots that have not been built on in proximity to the park. We also are aware that there is still an option on the horse area, the horse ranch where a golf course expansion might be part of the future. We also have since acquired the seventh star property as well. We now have a trail had more or less started with this guy mountain regional park system. So there's been kind of a lot of pieces and parts that also surround the area. So as we move forward with this, we would wanna take that bigger broader perspective on this project as well. perspective on this project as well. This list of program elements came through some of the work that my colleagues did in the past. There were kind of a breakdown of rodeo arena area, portion, and then a possible visitor center site. And as you can see from the list, there's a long list of things that were communicated in previous discussions. And I don't know if these are still all valid or not, because we've had some development happen up at base village now. So perhaps we don't need a baggage transfer station anymore, for instance. So this was just the beginning point that we just wanted to start from, and begin having more of that conversation with you and with the community as we move forward with this. So we also put together this whole series of ideas previously done, but I think it's a good starting point in terms of establishing a set of goals that we start with when we begin having community discussions. And I think that these are very valid and there's probably others, but I thought this was a good place to start. I do think that because we are such a small community, having our facilities serve multiple purposes is really important. And we want to make sure that we're going to get the best economic impact out of whatever facilities we come up with. I think that it's also the preference would be of course that we're not redoing something that we previously did. So if it's possible that we can come up with a master plan where we're not having to shift or move facilities around or whatever, that would be yet another goal. Another one was maintaining and actually increasing the current levels of parking. And there's some language about this actually in the municipal code, in the land juice section of the code. And so we'll have to address some aspects of this as we go through the process. I'm a little fearful of the magnitude of parking that would be desired on this site, because if we look at what we currently have, which is just over 300 parking spaces, and there is the desire to double that number, I think it's going to be very challenging to put all of that parking on this site and still have enough room left to do the other things that other community members wanted. So I think parking is gonna continue to be a challenge in this location. Accessible Visitor Center, I think that as long as we're on board with the idea that a visitor center is an important way to get people to come to our community and know right off the bat where it is at their going, trying to get to through a visitor center. Then I think that that needs to be very accessible, easy to get to, et cetera. And then of course just trying to continue to build on our market and their brand to some mass village. So having met with a lot of my colleagues here and hearing about various pieces and parts that would relate to this project, I would say that almost every department would need to have some involvement in this process. And so we thought that it would be a good approach to take is to create a technical advisory committee that would be composed of representatives from most of the town departments and really kind of putting forward what their specific interest would be in that. So our idea is to have essentially the technical advisory committee who will be working with a team of consultants but then we'll also have a stakeholders group who will be providing the necessary input that we need so that the two are merging and working together before it would move its way up to council for any adoption of the plan. The community stakeholders I've apparently missed one of the important community stakeholders thank you Jason for bringing that to our attention the environmental advisory board of, should be right up there with the Petra board as well. We believe it's important to make sure the homeowners in the area have some representation, the ski company, because they're a partner with us in the use of that parking lot during the winter, the rodeo association. Association I have had meetings with Tom Cardamon regarding the ICH Discovery Center and whether or not that would be something they want to do down here or not that's still to be determined. But I think it would be helpful if we had both town council representation and planning commission representation on the stakeholder board, along with the arts advisory, financial advisory, tourism board, various other community members and then business leaders, including if we have a private recreation provider, I think that would be beneficial as well. So we're seeing a different perspective rather than just the government perspective of our creation. The budget that we had anticipated, which you all reviewed recently, is just under 30,000 for this preliminary design phase of this. My expectation is we would essentially get a preliminary design that would come to you hopefully by the end of this year. And then we would move, presuming that you're OK with that design, we would then move into the next phase, which would deal more with the specifics about a project, whatever that may be. And I'm being vague because we just don't know what that's going to look like. But the idea is to be able to have a series of meetings, you know, some food, some advertising, some of those costs. I don't exactly know yet. I've had some discussions with Kelly Vaughn about how we might program the facilitation and design. We might want to kind of do a combination of kind of almost a series of consultants that we bring on to help us or we may end up just going with one in particular but you know whatever we come up with will be going through a process that will hopefully get the best bang for the buck that we have on a fairly small budget for a master plan of this scale. The project organization, again we were looking at the technical advisory group, we'll be working with the consulting team and working closely with the community stakeholders. This initial design phase of it, I would serve as the project manager on it. As we move into a, if we get an approval for a project and we're moving forward, there would be a handoff to public works, presumably Anne Martins, who would then be working closely with the engineer on the design related to construction drawings, et cetera, et cetera. So we expect that this would be pretty much the organization of it. Of course, the planning commission would have involvement in the review of that plan as well. The schedule is a little tough to read, but ignore those little lines in there, because I just couldn't figure out how to get rid of those. But the darker boxes that you see on this chart essentially reflect an opportunity for the public to be engaged and participate in the process. So I put down for instance tonight's work session with town council, you know there may have been some public who were interested and wanted to come and listen and provide some input, etc. But we kind of see it as a series of meetings either specifically with the stakeholders group, and or through the planning commission review process, through just a whole series of meetings. And we wanted to get this going while we still had some of our part-time homeowners here during the summer to provide some input for us as well. So that's why kind of time was of the essence to try and get this going, so that we could move forward. But hopefully not too elongated a time frame on this. Hopefully we can kind of get it honed in and narrowed down. Come up with some sketch ideas and then get feedback from the public again, planning commission council, and then hold not in a one specific design plan that can always be changed in the future, but at least gives us kind of a road map in terms of how we would proceed with doing the new entrance, particularly in this area. So this is this time frame that we've got. Essentially we're looking at in the end of this phase, hopefully by the end of this year, there'd be a meeting and discussion with council and planning commission, hopefully jointly adopting that plan. And we would expect that as long as everyone's okay with what it is that it is, we would then move into that authorization to proceed with final design on the master plan. Handoff to public works will continue to work with them. But I think that the goal of this process would be that ultimately you would have a comfort level of knowing approximate cost of any improvement that we're going to proceed with in the first phase by next spring. Because if it's something that we need to go to the voters for because we need to bond for improvements or what have you, we would need to know that fairly early on next year so that it could go to the voters in November. So this timeline pretty much reflects that, that timeframe. You know, ultimately if that were the case, that that were where we were heading, we would probably be looking at some construction in 2016 if everything went smoothly. I just have some questions and I'm sure you already thought of these. Over on the technical group, was there a notion as to why we wouldn't have water and sand in the fire district involved from the get go? Yeah, I'm looking to my team because I remember we discussed that but I don't think there was any reason I think I just forgot to add it to the list quite honestly It's just a notion that you know, it's better to have their thoughts earlier than later. Yes So that's just a notion that it's better to have their thoughts earlier than later. Yes. So that's just a notion. Okay. You can take that feedback however you want to. And then over on members of the stakeholders, I'm really toying with the concept of having the group that makes a final decision, which is town council, be involved as a stakeholder. I don't know if they come in. I don't know if, for example, if I were a member of it, I would think I might be prejudiced. So that was one of my concerns on having council. Far more important, those of fact that we have an election coming up in November so that you get a new council and all that kind of stuff so I was going to recommend that we not have council involved as a stakeholder at this point. Well is this list of stakeholders, I assume it's just groups that would be notified that meetings are coming up the issues come out they would be invited to participate in public meetings. Is this a somehow a unique group of organizations that are going to be invited to be? The meetings would be open to anyone who wants to participate. However, we would want to make sure that we had at least one designated person representing each of these organizations to participate. So we have continuity through the whole process and they can report back to their respective constituent group. Sorry, so I misunderstood what that group was. Fred? Yeah, I just want to concur with him. Excuse me, but Markey said, I don't think members of council, whoever they may be, should participate in this process because we're the ultimate decision makers. And it's sort of inappropriate for us to be inputting our ideas and our concepts since we're the ones who finalize it. So I would rather have it a community effort and stakeholder effort that comes to us rather than us participating in the process. I think we're blending groups that maybe because I would say the same goes for planning commission and probably most of our other advisory boards. I agree that those groups should be brought into the review process somehow but I don't know that it's necessarily as a community, part of the community stakeholder group necessarily. That seems. How have you handled that in the previous iterations of your job to get these comments? Of course, every community is different. But certainly, especially as it relates to long-range planning projects and of course, not specific applications for a land use approval, but long range planning projects, I think that it's important to have council participation and planning commission participation, because it allows you to be able to go back to the respective boards, make sure that they're kept informed about the direction that the project is going in, and kind of keeps us kind of, you know, void, if you will, with understanding it helps the whole process, I think. My experience has been it helps the whole process when there's the buy-in present of council and planning commission because you see it as being an important community project that you're there to hear and to participate in and what have you knowing of course that it's going to ultimately come back to the council to adopt, et cetera. Especially when you're looking for funding. Especially. You know, just a comment. I can see where you're going in terms of inclusion, the council and planning commission and some of the other boards. I think it would be most important if council were to be involved council members in planning. I think it's important that we be cautioned to be somewhat reserved in our comments. It's far more important that we move into a listening role and Listen to those within the community because I Sometimes think we try to sway I noticed that a little bit in some of the conversations And I probably didn't help the process back when we had the whole Series of discussions with related so yes, we're part of the community, but people see us in a different role. So I think that should be a caution that if we're going to do that and invite and I can see where you're going, we need to be careful as to see we are. Yeah, I'll add on to Marky. I'm more inclined to follow Julie's program with the Council involvement. Because I do think it's important that you know we're listening as Marke suggested but also you know we'll up front have these discussions where you say this is what's important to us and individually and how it moves forward but at the same time I do think it's important to be involved separate them what other folks may have. My concern is prejudicing the process. That's really my concern. I'm sure. You know, if we're the ultimate decision makers and we go into these meetings and we say, well, this is what I really want. This is what I think is really important. I think that it inhibits people and I think it taints the process if we prejudice it. That's my concern. Jason? I guess I just think it's premature at this point to set any list in stone or decide if council or the planning commission should officially be appointed to that or involved in that. To me, I think there's more value in getting unbiased or uniquely biased perspective on the input and then letting that be presented to the council to consider in the totality of all of those competing interests possibly. So to be involved in the process and possibly for us to be biased one way or another by being part of those conversations outside of the public domain here, I think is not something I'm in favor of. And to that degree, I think this list is going to expand exponentially. I have a feeling once you get into the process because to me, when you talk about taking broad perspective to this, I think it's important to look at this in the context of demand and other users' Valley-wide. And so what are we hearing from people working in the community, living in the community that as to their needs? What are we hearing from other recreation providers around the Valley as to how we might work synergistically or complementary towards their programs and benefit from that in terms of bringing people here? towards their programs and benefit from that in terms of bringing people here. So when I look at that list, I think this is very narrow in terms of how we're looking at that. And I think there's opportunity to broaden that quite a bit. Most importantly, probably one of the groups left off is the rodeo place HOA, which is right next to that. But going more broadly, I think it's important to talk to the City of Aspen's rec department, some of the private recreation clubs, LaCrosse, Soccer, other users, the tennis group that came to us talking about wanting to put a dome somewhere. So I think sometimes we get to narrow-minded in terms of who we consider stakeholders. And I think the success of this project will be benefited by looking more broadly. I, my only difference with that Jason is I think that because this most likely will be a vote going to the community. That's where I'm looking for the people in the snowmast to buy in because they'll be asked to pay for it Not the city of Asman not the other folks who are using it. So I'm more inclined to really focus on the snowmast Needs versus an outside, but I understand that there will be outside Requests because we do we will have a nice area. Yeah, you know, it's maybe we Get to the Folk room here and what we're really looking at is a goal where we're not duplicating other people's plans or perhaps we're replicating but you don't you always want to look for a common interest and there are And there are private groups. I saw quite a few horses coming in this morning. I guess there was a lot of horse tours that were going out of the rodeo area. All those types of things. I don't know who owns that or how that is set up. We've got the people at Cozy Point. I don't know what their plans are. I know that was brought up earlier. You know, the Rec Center has some interesting plans over in Aspen. So I think it's, I don't know if they have to be part of the stakeholder, but we want to make sure we coordinate and get other people's thoughts as well. So you can figure out how to make all that happen as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, I agree. I think that is a indicated earlier. I think that because we have such a compact site, we need to look for partnerships wherever we can find partnerships and see where we can kind of build off of what we already have rather than looking at competition, et cetera. You know, I had another question for you way back, way back when I don't remember what year. And I was part of the group that we had the whole approval process for that rodeo area. And I know we talked about doing, and Dave was probably well, remembers this, had a, when we were looking at building a parking deck and going down and There were plans at that time for the entire project then we put The visitor center on hold for a variety of other reasons. I assume you pulled out those plans and read all that great. Yeah, you did okay. Thank you So I don't want to That's why I have such a great team and working with but these are just a couple of the sketch plans. I had previously been done and you know, I think that there's been a lot of great work started on this and the expectation is that we continue to build off of where we started from but I also know that times have changed and there's different ideas out there. And yeah, we've heard from people who think it would be a great idea to look at other alternatives for the rodeo, for instance. And then there's others that are like, oh, the rodeo needs to stay in town. And we need to figure out how some other use, more playing fields and isorino. Who knows what? How it will all fit in here. So yeah, we're definitely wanting to stay as open-minded as we can in the process. But again, I kind of go back to I understand the concern about bias and I believe me. I understand that and I know that John is going to advise you accordingly. But I also do think that it's important to show your faces and be involved, even if it's just as active listeners in that process. So even if you feel like, you know, what's the point? I can't really comment or what have you. I just think that if the community seeing you and seeing how you value this process, you in the planning commission, I think that that could go a real long way in helping us get through this in a pretty timely manner because it is a short time to go through an entire master plan process. Basically, you know, six months for all practical purposes. It's huge. Very good. And just really quickly, I don't want my comments to be misinterpreted. You know, my intent in terms of widening the net for who we invite into this process is to see, you know, how we can make use of this limited space efficiently and how in terms of the long-term sustainability of whatever we do put there, you know, becomes more viable as we understand what needs there are in the community. So I simply meant that, you know, I think there's synergy, I think there's demand out there that could be satisfied here and serve the interests of our community. And to that degree, one other group that I think would be important to include, because I don't see a lot of opportunity or necessarily targeted interest towards young families, but we've heard quite a bit about the deficit in terms of childcare. And this to me in terms of synergy with the recreation facilities that we have might be an opportunity to talk about daycare facility or some other use that might be appropriate there. So maybe the Little Red School House understand their needs and what they're hearing in terms of additional demand that might be satisfied there. Anything else Ms. Julie? No, it's really we're just looking to see if you think this is a good approach to take and we should move forward so that we can start getting our first couple meetings going and ask for participation from all those various groups including the additional ones you identified and just kind of get Nick going. My hair were too too on whether Council and Planning Commission should formally be included in the stakeholder process. Why don't we worry about that today? I think that can be something we down the road because I do believe this first few we're going to have to sit and talk about areas of interest that we're concerned about and I want to make sure they're taken care of or addressed at some point. But later on I think might be the know, we're looking at more details. We'll have to have that question answered. Do we or do we not participate at the level? I'm a little confused. Well, as you saw on the map, on the scale, schedule, there's plenty of meetings going on. So, are Council come to these meetings? I mean, that's the question on the table. That is the goal. Yes. So, but so we would get invited. It doesn't mean we'd have to get invited, but also post that we would be there. So, three of us, or more over there, it would be a notice meeting, or you know, make sure we follow that. But I think those are kind of things that. I'm looking at Mr. Dresser over there. And that was why I was suggesting that there would only be two folks appointed. If you're not comfortable with that and you want it to be open amongst all of you, that's another opportunity that we could have. And we could post. It's not a big deal. Take a minute and ask Mr. Dresser what his advisement might be on what he's heard so far. I would have no problem if you were there as receptors and not advocates. Part of the process not bumps on a lot but not advocating really saying, I mean, you know, if someone says, I don't know, I want a, an Indian sweat hut down there, questioning that person why and etc. is, is would be appropriate, but saying no way, no how, obviously exhibits a bias. I think if you're going to do it, it would be best to simply notice the meetings. And then those amongst you can make it. Leaving it at two, technically complies with the over meeting long, but it doesn't really comply with the spirit. If you're going to be there and you're going to be considering something that's public business, just notice it and then you comply. Okay. And then all of us can come. Exactly. And the whole planning commission can come. Yep. I think that's better. You have to understand even as just sitting there you're cloked with as a parent authority and even if you sit there silently people act differently if you're in the room. So you have to just understand that and try and not, when you recuse yourselves here, we don't let you sit in the audience and possibly use body language, nods, winks, whatever to influence your fellow council people because you are recused. If you can, you know, kind of exudes some of that decorum and just be a part of the team rather than you do eventually make the decision. But to be part here, here the concerns is better than to speak your concerns. It's a careful one, as you notice it, it's perfectly familiar. Okay. And I guess my take, I't want to give the impression that this is somehow an anointed group of invitees that are comprised the stakeholder group. I think everybody with a use or interest in the town or the entryway would be considered a stakeholder. I think you've identified a good list of groups that should expressly be invited to participate because they are recognized as having an interest there, but to somehow uniquely identify that this group, this small list as the stakeholder group I think is too narrow in my perspective. I want it to be more open. in my perspective, I want it to be more open. If I may, I have two comments. One is, I want to comment on John's comment. Only from the perspective that what's challenging for you as council members is that you're also property owners. It's put you in a little different situation. You know, you're representing the residents, et cetera. We ran into the same issue with some other communities I've worked in. So I think that, you know, as long as people understand that you actually do have multiple roles that you're playing here, I mean, ultimately, as Fred said, you are the decision-makers when you actually go through an adoption process, but you're also there to make sure that the interests of the community are, you know, are being listened to and etc. So you're kind of wearing the multiple hats. So that's that is one thing. And the only the common I would make is that we want to make sure that whatever process we go through we have some consistency because in my years of experience leading long-range planning projects if you don't at least recognize a set of stakeholders up front I mean anyone can come anyone can participate but what happens is that invariably you end up having people showing up at the 11th hour and saying, well, I wasn't heard. I didn't get to participate or whatever. So if you at least have representation of a core group of folks, it doesn't preclude anyone else from participating and having the opportunity to be heard but at least we can say yes But your representative the snowmass rodeo homeowners association whatever it is We're at the table and they were heard So I think that that's that's part of the reason why we're looking at a core group of folks not preclude not precluding others from participating But just having that core group Not precluding others from participating, but just having that core. It's not an advisory council or something. Okay. Getting feedback. So, you know, when I see people like Andy here in the room, it helps me understand that, you know, we're also going to be, I think, hoping looking at enhancements to the correct programs we have. Are there things we can do like, you know, I've had people come to me saying, we need to enhance the skateboard park a little bit to something a little bit different. We need a bike, a flat bike, you know, hills and train park, you know. So if these folks are involved, we can, you know, either flush those out and say, no, that's not gonna work or we can say, well, what would the enhancement look like? What could we do to, with the limited funds or whatever funds we can go out after? What can we do to make this better than what it is today? But when you spoke to things like parking, you know, in my mind, the parking was a key idea because I just think in the future we're gonna have a lot more driving market from down the valley and whether it's intercept lot or this we can add some tiered structure to where we can put two-thirds of we have down there and up in the air a little bit and think it down a little bit we can look at those things and understand. The visitor center thing I think is very important to make sure we get involved with and ask the property managers, the single family of homes or they're lodging. Hey, would it make sense to have a place, people coming in at midnight, have a place they can punch a button and get their packet out or whatever, so they don't go, now whatever I go, I'm lost, I can't blame this lady or whatever. Those are important. The multi-purpose event center is important. And then PON trails, I think we need to enhance the trail, you know walking around there. I think it'd be nice for people to be able to, you know, use that area more as a walking outdoor experience. Those are things I think you're working on, but I just wanted to make sure I don't want to preclude parking because I think that could be a great thing instead of driving up into the mall into another more extensive place to build, that could be a great thing instead of driving up into the mall into another more extensive place to build, probably cheaper to build something down there and then buy more buses to get folks to get them up to the stear or to the events in the summer or whatever. Jason? Just one last comment about your givens. I think the givens need to be part of the conversation with the stakeholders and this group. But when I see something here that says pursue the uses that provide the greatest community and economic benefit, that raises the hair on my neck a little bit. I see this really as a community asset and to be driven by the parameter that whatever we do there has to have a great economic benefit. I don't know that I necessarily buy into that. So I'm not saying it shouldn't be economically sustainable, but I don't see this as a, you know, generator driver for the economy. So I just want to make sure that we get clarity around that. And when you talk about buying from the community, I think opening up these givens to discussion is still part of that conversation. As the preliminary goals. With the expectation, there may be others out there. There are. Sure, sure. Valid. Anything else about the help? Thank you very much. Thank you. Moving on, we've got Manage's report. Thank you Mayor, Council. Hope everybody had a good, fun, safe weekend, long weekend. And summer's definitely here and I agree who made the comment about Wanderlust, Jason did, went out there and checked it out during the daytime, Went home, grabbed my family, we all came back up. It was that impressive. I thought, you got to come and see this. And it made me feel like I needed to do more stretching. So yeah. Tourism director search, quick update on that. We met with the Tourism Board this afternoon. We had a combination meeting slash conference call. And along with the search consultant, we narrowed the list down to five. So we have five finalists that we're going to be bringing in a couple of weeks. I plan to do a meet and greet gift council and the Tourism Board a chance to meet these candidates. They are deeply qualified. We conducted telephone interviews with them previous to this. It's interesting. People look great on paper, but then you talk to them on the telephone and then you start to separate themselves out. So we do have five that we're bringing in. There's a couple of other ones that are kind of also rans that we're going to be talking to just because I don't want to miss anybody. So there was one guy out of state and Hugh Templeman, who's on the search committee, is going to be in the same state. And I've set that up to where he gets to go chat with him face to face. And then he will report back to us and say, hey, we need to bring this person in and talk to them. And then there's another one that will be following up with a Skype interview to make sure that, again, we're not passing on. So, total we have seven, but we've agreed on five that we want to bring in in a couple of weeks and do face to face interviews, and they're all deeply qualified candidates. It was a very difficult process. It was almost an embarrassment of riches that this consultant brought in when he rattled the cages and brought in candidates. So well worth the money to pay a professional to assist us with this effort. Looking forward to it. This will be my fourth department head appointment, which is unprecedented in an interim role, but I'm really happy with the appointments that have been made thus far. I feel like we have a really good dynamic team. I feel like we have a good fit just sitting in the staff meetings and looking at the level of intellect, candor, and camaraderie is impressive, and it makes me feel good about where we're at. So looking forward to getting this last one done. Strategic planning session still scheduled for the 16th. I guess that's going to be contingent upon Council member Jacobson. And I just wanted to check with you that you guys are still available on that date and if you had any questions or comments I'll be putting an agenda together and being touched with you guys to yes. I plan on being there I'll be eight days post-op so hopefully I can attend all of it. Hopefully the drugs will have worn off by you. This is not an easy one. Well good luck with that, Marky. And Ann is working on an estimate to provide supplemental parking for Town Hall for Council's request and she's also researching historical information as it relates to parking at Town Hall to make sure that we're in touch with what the original plans were and so forth and not. And staying consistent with that. And my screen just disappeared. Then you have CML and then I've noticed. CML not much there, not much Earthshaking there. We did a number of community leaders went out and test drove these e-bikes. There was a booth for these e-bikes. And I have to say it was kind of rave reviews all around. Did it myself. Did some single track this morning. My pants show that. I fortunately brought another shirt. But it was very impressive. And I would predict this is the next big thing. It was really an impressive product and kind of a great equalizer in terms of family recreation so that everybody could kind of dial in their own speed. If you want to get a workout, you can just turn it off. It's a difficult thing to describe, but it's really, really an interesting, interesting product. And you could just see the potential for this. Yes. I did a bike trip and, you a group with a group and there was a couple of the trip. One, the man had a regular bike and his wife was not a good biker so she had one of the electric bikes and they probably wouldn't have gone on the trip if they couldn't have access to that bike. So I couldn't agree with you more. I think it's going to be a tremendous thing for people who aren't strong bikers or concerned about being able to bike. And so it was a great asset in this group. And you could just tell it was, it would be tailored for this market here in Stomach Village. If you're in a flat spot here in Aspen, ran a bike and so forth, you can tool around, go on the regorant trip. Up here, it's all up and down. It's very, and so it was very technical. So it really was a great equalizer. And our test case was Fred Brodsky this morning who we got halfway up the single track. And Fred was there with us. And he says, well, I'm your test case. And admitted said not in mountain biking shape and if he had to do it on his own, he couldn't have done it, but there he was up there with us, taking in the beautiful view. And it was quite impressive. So you'll hear more about it. It's not in my report. No, we didn't, we didn't. No, I didn't bring myself up. I didn't bring myself up. It's like, what stays on the bike trail, and happy to do I actually got on it also today and I got my dairy air up the hill. What's your report? It was great. I think that there are probably some issues when you look at through the town for these trails and see because I understand. I brought some of these e-bikes to the town here about two years ago when we had the day opening up the Sky Mountain and I got a lot of resistance from folks who didn't want to get on them because I thought I was cheating but I did get a couple county commissioners to try them who really don't write a whole lot and they were like wow I don't know what I'm complaining about you know it's not what I thought they thought it had a throttle and just hit go these are e-assists and apparently what I understand today, that the E assist is, as the Fed looks at it, it's still a bicycle. It's not just a electric motor, and they still consider it apparently a bike. So I think those are some things that we should look at because I also believe it's an important asset, whether we try to talk somebody in the skiing company, ask them sports, gene tailors, some folks to get a group of these bikes in, but they're not cheap. But I think that there may be some things that if we do this and we're thinking right that we may want to structure the trails accordingly because I can see where people riding up the hills when coming downhill in these single tracks could be problematic. But I think before that, we need to address with our ordinances to see if it's even allowed and or allow that to change to allow these things to happen. So that would be a future thing going on. But I do want to support the idea of bringing them here. The bikes range from $5,700 to $37,000, California I got on some which were 2,000, but those were just a throttle, go and stop. I didn't really feel comfortable on that because I thought we were moving too fast on the boardwalks for those to be appropriate. But. And that's an important distinction that these are not throttle controlled, they're controlled by the inertia that you exert on the pedals. And they're very, very intuitive to that. It's basically all programmed in. So when you need the power, it's there. When you don't need it, it's not there. Anything over 20 miles an hour, the whole motor just shuts down. So if you're going more than, if you're're going faster than 20 you don't need the motor. And we rode up single track from just above top of village all the way up to spider savage. Yeah. And so I think we stopped once and I coughed a little bit and choked but you know it was okay. These 298 pounds got up there. So it was good. If I I can do it I know Fred could do it no it's a good test case oh that's my report if we have any questions or comments any comments questions no hearing none thank you Gary you're welcome oh Jason sorry I have one question just Just on one of the temporary use permits, the first one, was that the Aspen Invitational? I just didn't have time to go look at the site. What is that event? That's coming, it says in through Al Creek Road and Brush Creek Road, between eight and three, is the following activity, Aspen Invitational? Is that a bike race? Is that the thing? It's a bike race. Thank you. Yeah, there's I get. Okay, thanks. Then moving on, we have item number seven agenda for next Council meeting. We see the dates on there and meeting agendas. Any questions? It's pretty light agenda. Okay, hearing none. Moving on to approval from meeting minutes for June 16th. Is there a motion to approve? Mr. Cooker. Second. Second by Mark Butler. Discussions edits. Yeah, I'd want to edit you to go ahead. I was absent from the meeting, but it just in the reconvening at the very end, item number 14 adjournment. I think it's in the previous item at 940, Fred had left the meeting and then two minutes later he was seconding the motion but then it against his council member, Cooker, was absent. So there's definitely some. In densestances. Checking on that. Okay. Well, look into that. So Mr. Dresser's notes are. Because it might have been my second and those kind of things. But we'll move on. We'll check into that. So maybe we won't approve these with. Well, wait, wait. I never left a meeting that was adjourned. You did. When? When we were sitting back here talking, you said, I gotta go. You just got back from the trip. Oh, that's right. Oh right right you're right you're right that's right right that was happened. You guys do it and we'll we that was a clear to interview yeah okay you're right I did you have to be right. So no problem there we'll check into that. That means I think you can safely will change the second online 226 yeah and I think you can safely approve change the second online, 226. Yeah. And I think you can safely approve these minutes. I agree. OK. Thank you, though, Jason, for catching that. In that case, all those in favor of minutes, please signify saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you very much. Then moving on, we have, let's see here, back to my calendar, right? Calendars, comments? Jason, committee reports? I attended a Riverdale Water Empower Authority meeting recently, and generally the report from them was they have too much money and too much water. So it doesn't get any better than that. It doesn't get any better than that. You'll recall at one point during the year they came with a supplemental request for funding for the invasive species program because they weren't sure if they were going to get some grants coming through from the feds. Well, the grant came through and so Mark Fuller, the director is kind of contemplating coming back and talking to the town manager or the town council about either the funds that were already appropriated and provided to supplement that program and whether that could be rolled the next year or pulled back to the town, whatever we kind of want to do. So we should plan on hearing from Mark Fuller in the near future to talk about that. But runoff's going well and Rudis filling up and... I'm okay. At the time. Jason, I have a question. We'll talk offline after the meeting. It's a question about Rwapah. I think you might be able to answer things. Okay. Marky? Nothing. I've got a meeting for Raffa coming up this Thursday. I'll be there. We've looked at our audit. Things are going well with our auditor. I've asked lots of different questions and presenting that report. The audit at the meeting. Other than that, I have nothing else. Mr. Cooker. I think. Thank you. Is there anything else? Mr. Cooker's motion for a adjournment. Second. Second by Mr. Haiber. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? We're adjourned. Thank you very much. Thanks for being here. You're welcome. It's fine. That's amazing. you