I'm going to go to the bathroom. you you you I I'd want odds for that. you you you you you I'm going to go to the library. the fast that's what I was going by so the First item we have is roll call please Ronda. Mayor Muehna. Here. Butler. Cooker. Here. Here. Here. Jacobson. Here. Thank you. Very good. Next item two is for public non-agent items. If there's anyone in the public, see no hands raised. But this won't, you will close the public non-agent section and move on to item number three for council updates. Jason, anything you have on us today? Just great weekend with the Def Camp picnic and all the music that went with that. And the block Party with Sundance and the new Clarks Market. Great. No additions to the tree. I think that's it. Very good. Last week I've had a few phone calls from folks and specifically about some public works, thoughts and concerns. Remember a few months ago we had a conversation about trash dumpsters and if our guys could sweep up a little bit more frequently as I get in there and they find it. A lot of times of course I had someone come to me and say it's a mess and I asked her if the animals were getting into it if they knew that kind of stuff and they said no They thought it happened after the people that had just left it was still a mess So if we could let our you know public works folks know if if there's any way If there's any trash in there if they could sweep it up like we used to do the long time ago That would be a wonderful thing to look at any Location that we should focus upon this one happened to be from somebody up on LeMonde. I would imagine it would be either she didn't tell me which one. Sinclair Road. And Clare Road or the one at the bottom of the metal. Jason? I just wanted to mention one thing along those lines. I noticed the bus stop at Fresh Creek in Al Creek used to have a trash container there, which is no longer there. And I'm just seeing more trash accumulating in the bus stop itself. I don't know why that disappeared. If something hit it, we're doing that across the board. But anyhow. So, wrap the stop. It's a bus stop. Well, it's wrapped up. It's a bus stop at brush Creek now. On the way down downhill. Yeah. So that was just one of the uns and then the same person had just said that they'd had some issues with our town road guys about the winter taking out some of their landscape and I said, well, we do have a 10 foot right away and I'll say that with my hat on as I plow roads I The divide Some of those big machines you get on it's my eyes and they start sliding and you really have to care for us Why do you have a good 10 foot right away? But I said I'd bring it up and we'd see if we could you know watch that but I told her that no one's doing any of this stuff Intentionally, it's just something that happens on these big machines and sometimes we get a lot of snow and we have to be cautious as we can be. So those are just a couple of calls ahead this last week. Thank you. Mr. Jacobson, move on to you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to give a nod or applaud to the folks that put on the farmers market. I just got into town and remembered it and went up and I think there were six or seven vendors and I dropped a fair bit of cash and I know that you know sometimes snowmasses seen as a difficult place to get to but I gotta say I parked a lot closer than I ever have for the Aspen farmer's market not to make a competition out of it, but pulled in, parked, went up, and saw a fair number of people they're shopping. So I really appreciate the organizers and all the vendors. That's it. Mr. Cooker. Yeah, I would just like to give a kudos to Clark's market. I think they have done a fabulous job with the building, and their inventory is incredibly extensive. And when I could tell the prices are almost reasonable. So I, but I just think they have done a terrific job with that building, and they should be applauded for it. Marchie. Thank you, Fred. I echo your comments. It's a very, very impressive opening. And it was a great event for everyone who came down to the party. It's great. So let's hope that it sticks. It's done a great job. And Madeline's already called the other day was fabulous as well. So thank you, Madeline, for your work. We'll be on then. We have item number four, 2015 winner parking plan. Mr. Peckler, welcome back. Thank you, Council. On page five of the packet, you have the draft of the parking plan there for you, your review. Basically, through this document, we get together, we agree with all the other partners that Manage our own or control public parking throughout the community We try to respect The ordinances referred to in the recitals of the parking plan to Boost you to utilization without compromising quality of life and congestion in the community. The plan is basically the same as last year with one caveat. The Metro District has not had a chance to review or meet on their parking plan. That will be happening later on towards the end of the summer. They don't foresee any major changes, but that's not to say that they could tweak their day pricing in some way. And it is called out in the plan what their price structure is so that everybody knows. There is also contingent on a number of things. There is no formal agreement as of yet for access for lots. See if it becomes a construction staging area or some other use. That's a possibility that we need to be aware of. The main change in the parking plan is that we're suggesting a modest increase to parking permits for the town. We haven't raised our rates in eight seasons. the modest increase to parking permits for the town. We haven't raised our rates in eight seasons. The economy is bouncing back. We're trying to get closer to an average daily rate for at least the guest permit. And the other permits are very reasonable by most standards. So when you recommended pricing, we went, you have this note in your Dave. We're looking at suggesting to raise it to $60 instead of what is it? $50.55. Okay. And everything else that you said, you say in your notes, pretty much stays the same. There are some changes though. Council, what are your thoughts about what you've read or do you want Dave to go into a more detailed conversation? Marke and then Jason. Just a question. In terms of that increase $5, we've never, we haven't done it for years and years. I totally agree with you. Of course, $5 is $5. It doesn't make everyone really happy, but I think it's time that we put that type of increase in. But I want to go back to some of these gold passes. I know it was a big issue when we were contemplating the Rohingya Fort Club up at the edge. How many gold passes are there now? And can you just kind of walk through and refresh everyone's memory, hear what that is in our audience? There are actually two passes that kind of work together and were created roughly at about the same time and there's a constraint to them that I think Council's intention at that time was to apply to the senior passes as well as the goal passes. Both passes are for citizens of the Roaring Forg Valley, roughly, who want to have access to the community and it was a mechanism that they could purchase resident parking privileges. The caveat was that at the time, and I would say it's still true today that we have a surplus of somewhere around a hundred parking spaces within the numbered lots that probably we can have allow people to park in and not totally exhaust our parking resources for the residents. They are spot sensitive obviously if you want to park in lot eight, you better get there early. Much like it, 12 can become very challenged at times. The caveat at the time was to restrict, and it says in the municipal code that it's focused on the gold passes that they're restricted to 100. But the intent was for these valley-wide passes to are restricted to 100, but the intent was for these valley-wide passes to be restricted to 100. And that's something maybe John and I should work on and clean up in the language. The three-year average for gold passes, we've sold about 18 of them. Three-year average for senior passes, we've sold about 60. So we're well within the 100 cap that we're trying to respect. And I think they're pretty popular with certain elements of the community. Okay, thank you. Jason? So the only price increases in the resident one passes that? No, no. They were applied in the resident one passes that? No, no. They were applied to the resident one. It was not applied to the resident two and three. We always thought their price point was adequate. The restricted resident and the restricted employee prices both went up by $5 from $35 to $40. Employee ones went up from 40 to $45. Employee transferable $80 to $90. The golds went up about $50. The seniors went up about $25. Gas permits went up five bucks from $25 to $30. Now, I mentioned the daily parking rate. We assume that a guest usually stays about four days and so we were looking at you know 30 dollars for four days as being a very good deal compared to $20 or $25 for parking in two creeks or the parking structure as a daily rate. So the $30 for a guest permit gets you up to seven days. Up to seven days, four thirty. That's a great deal. Yeah, we think that's pretty reasonable. What kind of problems have we had with these downsides? Are anything going on specifically, you know, with ticketing that we're finding more problems with people aren't following or are the most part of our things working as smoothly as they have for a lot of years. Well, be the chiefs here and we could probably speak to it a little bit if you'd like, but I don't see that we're having huge issues. I think most of the programs have been in place for a tremendously long time now. Most people are well aware of it. In fact, most people think it's more draconian than it is, but in some ways that's okay. I think the price increases just to touch on it. Again, really lightly is that utilization is going up. The rodeo lot is kind of a prime example of we're bleeding over into the overflow lot. A couple more times, say about 30% of the time, we're probably starting to bleed over there. So, and what we're probably starting to bleed over there. So, and what we're trying to do is protect the numbered loss with pricing increases. It's, you know, matching demand, price to demand. And so what we don't want to do is have the numbered loss overwhelmed. So we're starting to ratchet up because we see that, you know that there's growing utilization. Yes? Right. The rodeo lot is free parking, right? Correct. I'd like to put in a pitch for the rec center. On busy days, every rec center slot is full, and the rec center is not, and that means that skiers are parking there. Right. And I understand that every once in a while the police come down and check it but it is it's become a real nuisance if you use the rec center right so I would appreciate it next next winter if the police are a bit more active in ticketing people who park there all day you know mark their tires and if they're come back in two hours and if they're still there give them a ticket because people are taking really unfair advantage of that space Are there times in those signs that say two hours mad? or anything like that? Yeah No, no the science say two-hour parking the science in the rec center spaces say two-hour parking only Okay two hours parking only. Okay. And this says there's 25 spaces reserved for the rec center. 25 spaces signed for the rec center. I believe so, yeah. There. They have a lot. If they have been, we might have shot low on what we thought that demand might be. Yeah. Because it can be very busy. Parking is a big deal. Yeah, because it can be very busy. Parking's a big deal. Yes it is. That's why we take such a care of it. Any other questions and comments? I'm just curious. This allows for the town to enforce on those private lots as well. Do we do enforcement in two creeks? And what do we do that? That's interesting. I'm curious why the town enforces on them collecting payment for use of their private parking. To make sure that, well, I guess they could boot cars, you're right, but they kind of lean towards using ticketing as a preferred alternative. I don't think it's been a major Okay. And then in clause 10 it says the parties agree to share the operational function of informational booths. How do we manage that and decide what it kind of says on an as needed basis or when necessary. How are we determining when that's necessary and dealing with that on a shared basis? The information booths were supposed to be relocated out on the site for the visitor information center. They have not been constructed. Those pull-out lanes were literally lanes you could divert traffic if you needed to, you have to think back that since 1998, you've gone through a series of economic, environmental, millennial, and then another series of environmental and economic blows to your skiing business that have kind of never got you back to those pre-1998 levels. So there was sort of a decision made to try without using the Booth arrival system that we used to have known as checkpoint Charlie. And so it is functioned. That's not to say that it may. As I said, you're starting to feel, not feel, but overflow into your overflow parking in the rodeo lot, 30% of the time. So you may not be far away from where you need to start talking to people and to actively and aggressively managing where they will park. So at this point we're just anticipating it won't be necessary I'll win her and we're not putting the booths in to. Correct. We have no direction to do that. We're not anticipating doing that. Okay. But if it's this if we do it's in the language You still haven't been storage after council made you take them out actually we We have one left by the rodeo. Okay, we too. We have sold off So we would have to it would be a process to read- Great to him. We do. And we wanted to try and in the entryway planning at the time, it was envisioned to be a more welcoming, more an architectural statement relative to the rest of the site. So the old metal booze would not be appropriate. Motion for approval. Well, there's really just discussion this but even the parking increase. Well it's yeah this is pretty much a approve of proposed parking plan approved the agreement so yes motion for the agreement. So that's it. They're Fred for the discussion. They have anything else you need from us? Nope, but you do it all those in favor of the parking agreement for 2014 2015 Please send it by the saying aye aye aye any opposed Pass you down. It's like thank you counsel. Thank you Dave Moving on item number five discussion on potential amendments to the 1993 EOTC Intergovernmental Agreement. That Mr. Dresser's name on the name. So this is really, you know, a council had suggested that we talk about this amongst our peers. John and staff have been looking at this and we had the last discussion as you see, we had had some direction to change and we had heard that, you know, things weren't quite as light to what we wanted to do. So what is council's feelings about this discussion? I just like to go back to the first sentence in the staff recommendation that says staff originally made the recommendation to not amend the IGA language. And if we could just get a little reminder on that recommendation of not to amend it. At one point I thought we talked about the possibility there was a charter conflict with the idea of making the decision live in an EOTC meeting and maybe we could just start with that and go from there. Well, I can go first or you can go. We'll all chime in on this. I, in talking with Dave Peckler about this, I first looked at this and what I like to do when you're trying to amend an agreement that seemed to be worked pretty effectively for the last 20 years, I just gave what's the problem. And really his accounting and correct me if I heard you wrong was that there were several times where a vote was made at the EOTC meeting and it came back to the home council or the home elected board and there were others that were not in attendance and they said I don't agree with that and whether it was majority or minority or whatever and they reversed their position. And I'm told that happened three times. Once with Dick and County, once with Aspen, once with Snowmass. I thought 20 years, it's not too bad of a record. I think it's working pretty darn good. So, that was my original thinking, kind of if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And so, that was the original thinking. And then, John, you may want to chime in on that, if you wish. Yeah, because it was more I think where I was frustrated that we had made some changes, and even Stomach had done it, and we had made some changes and even snowmats had done it and we made some changes other mark amendment and I always felt in my multiple years of sitting in those different meetings that it was really important to have those discussions in the meeting with all the council members attending because when you don't then we get into this kind of situation and I just felt we would be seeing a trend of further discussions, agreement on direction to take, and then it would go back out of that chamber with all three of us in there, that would get changed. And to me, it was like, wait a minute, this is a wrong way to go. And so if there was any way to say, look, if we're going to make these decisions and we should be binding ourselves specifically, I said, let's lock ourselves in this room until we come out to say, this is how we're going to go. Because when we're in these three groups, Hicken County, City of Aspen, the town of Stomas, it's, we have a lot of great discussions, I believe, and great planning until we leave. And then all of a sudden, someone throws, you know, like, in there, and it changes all over again. So now we've got to go back and redo it. And then we've got to get this group back to talk to that group versus doing it all in that room and saying, when you leave this room, this is what we understand. And granted, there may be some desire to change this, but those were what you do when you're in the meeting. And you have that discussion with your peers so you can do that. So I was pushing staff to see if there was a way we could do this. And I sort of feel like there's not really a great way to make that change. And it sounded like that was what, you know, the city of Aspen and it's in County we're also coming back the last time having discussion. We had our little retreat, we had a little bit of discussion on this but not a whole lot. So, I guess that's sort of history of that. And I don't know that we're going to get a change, I doubt we would get a change. Are we the only ones that want to go back to the original from the other from the three parties? I thought Aspen and Picken were fine if we made the decision in the room now. If I recollect the last meeting we had this discussion. At the last meeting it was purported to the last meeting, it was reported to you that the Picking County has already passed the original IGA language agreement, which the basic fundamental change between what they approved and what you approved is that that's a majority vote of the members present, the majority vote of the quorum, and you made it a majority vote of the governing body. So those are the two subtle distinctions between the two amendments. The City of Aspen has not acted on anything waiting where we're going to go. So, in a nutshell, that's the background. From a staff perspective, it was obviously trying to expedite. The OTC has made a decision. Do we need to go through and get resolutions from all three bodies, etc., etc. And there was a little bit of a concern in the last go-around that as these things impact budget decisions, the EOTC is very hard to get together. It's challenging just to have four meetings a year. That's making it difficult to move some of those things forward if the issue is involves dollars and is of a time sensitive nature. The other notion though was we needed to get the material far earlier so we could vet it. In the past we've gotten the EOTC package what about a week prior to so your councils may not be meeting. I'm fine if we can make the decision at EOTC with majority representation from each one of the governing bodies, but we need at least, from a council perspective, at least two meetings prior to to get it on the agenda to discuss it in the following meeting for us to really make sure that we're in agreement before we walk into that meeting. I don't know if that's even plausible. Has that been a conversation you've had with your colleagues? I think we will think that we can achieve that goal. I would agree with you that the history says the packets come out at the last minute. And the last EOTC meeting is a prime example of our meeting here was canceled. So you would have had no time to review if there isn't two meetings in advance, which now means material has to be generated almost two months in advance prior to the meeting, which I'll stop at that. It's probably not. If experience of over 27 years would be the agreement that would probably be two chances slim and none. And I don't want to. Clause more headaches. Clause more headaches. And second of which is I don't want to taint the colleagues who put that packet together. I'm sure they're very busy people as well. And they do it in the wee hours of the boarding to get a packet out. So if we can't have some language in there, that contemplates how soon prior to for decisions in order to achieve consensus at a meeting by each one of the governing bodies represented, then I don't think it's plausible to do anything then what we currently have in the language. Jason? I think I'm more in line with the, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Line of thought. You know, three times out of 20 years, I don't, I would agree is not that bad of a track record. And I think the issue of putting the possibility out there that two members of the council would make a funding decision and commitment towards the OTC as a majority of the quorum president I think is not really appealing to me and frankly the idea of going into that room with all three bodies having the dialogue and then the benefit of a little time to come back here and make sure we all still think that conversation led us to a good place for for the town of Snowmass, I think, is a benefit in the process. So I kind of stay with you. Just maybe stay where we are. I agree. I'm chasing you. Absolutely. So status quo. Yep. You know, the staff definitely gave us a couple of other ideas and a fourth idea. So Dave, if that, it sounds like that's a direction the majority of the council would like to go. I can carry that back to the UTCF and I think it's just would given that nothing changes or you are where you are and you can still revisit this idea with more conditions on the availability of the matter to be discussed. So I think that's okay. If that's your legal question since picking counties adopted an amendment snowmasses of the adopted an amendment does that mean if they're not all three signing off John that those amendments are null and void? Or is there another action, that's the question, that we need to take to undo what they did a few months ago? The original IGA from 1993 requires that all three parties are green and honestly to amend the IGA. My understanding without seeing it is, is that the county, Picking County has adopted the language in number two, section two, which modifies it to a majority of the quorum present. City of Aspen has taken no action. Thomas Nome has villages taken the action that was in, or in a resolution 21 of 2014 where you didn't adopt that exact language, you adopted language. It's an affirmative vote of the majority of the members, perfectly at any of the summer hours. It would always take a minimum of three at an EOTC meeting for TOSV. The feedback we got from the staff at the county was that the county was not going to adopt the position that you adopted. So there isn't agreement now. That doesn't mean that the city and the county couldn't come back to yours if you want to leave that stand. The amendment that you adopted in the resolution. If you want to stay with the status quo it would be my recommendation that you have a resolution on a subsequent agenda withdrawing that approval of that amended language so that the only thing you're saying then is we're gonna stick with the original language. Because this is in a way an open offer that could still be accepted by the county or they say it have to be accepted by both and if you're okay with that you can leave it stand but if you really want to stand with the 1993 original language I would recommend a resolution come back to you repealing resolution 21. Sounds like that direction. Yeah, just clean it out. Yeah, sounds like there's a more folks would like to do that. Okay, we'll bring that back to you on your first meeting in August. That's a pretty simple resolution. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Done with that one then. I don't know number six resolution 28 series 2014 IGA for emergency dispatch. Mr. Olson here. Chief Olson. Brian. Mr. Mayor Council. I appreciate the opportunity to bring this before the Council and hello everyone. Keith Olson. Brian. Mr. Mayor, Council. I appreciate the opportunity to bring this before the council and hello everyone. I'm your new police chief. Congratulations. Thank you. Resolution 28 seeks to execute two IGA's that are essentially revisions of some existing IGA's with our emergency dispatch center. I think page 20 begins in your packet what you're looking for. The first is the establishment of the emergency telephone authority and in that particular IGA name changes is really the main item there. And in the second, it's administrative and financial support at the Dispatch Center. In that particular IGA, they've clarified how the Dispatch Center falls under the administration of county government and then also they outline a new quarterly billing scenario instead of having to pay dispatch one lump sum during the year. Now it's paid out quarterly and it also includes a 10 year capital plan that wasn't part of it before. for. Okay. And this is something it sounds like you've checked out Brian and it's a direction to moving. Absolutely. It has been signed by all the other participating agencies, so it's a little bit of a housekeeping item for us, but it definitely cleans up some things with our dispatch center of which I have a seat on their board and represents no mass to that degree. And in there, does it say additional expenditure that you think that we're going to be looking at over the next 10 years with the other capital? You know, I have not been in my short duration. I have not been to a comm meeting yet. So I haven't had a look at the 10 year capital budget that's been laid out. So I will have an opportunity to view that. And in my predecessor, I'm sure represented Snowmass well in that planning. I'll be able to step in there and go from there. So in that case, is there any other discussion? Nope. But this is another one of those that ain't broken, don't fix it, and it works well, and I would use it frequently for many different reasons. So thank you, Brian. Is there a motion to approve, resolution? Well moved. 28, that's Mr. Cooker. Second by. Second. Ms. Jacobson. For the discussion? I just wanted one more question on the Capitol payment component of it. That's a new element to this agreement, is that right? Yes, spanning over the 10 year program it was. Before that, they would target kind of a lump sum to try to make some capital replacements now. They're averaging it over 10 years and including that in their quarterly payment plan. So we were always obligated and we always made contributions to capital absolutely system now we're just being more precise. Exactly this is just spreading the payments out a little bit but we've always made them in the past correct. Thanks. Okay. Any other questions? All is in favor of resolution 28. Will you signify the sign? Aye. Aye. Those opposed? That's unanimously. Thank you. Thank you, Brian. Item number seven, an update on energy efficiency project overview of energy navigator. Good. So we need just one second to hook up to the projector. Very good. So we need just one second to hook up to the projector. Very good. Mr. Richardson, I see in our co-hooks in town in the meeting. So I'm going to take this opportunity to introduce Nick Kurtz, our new facilities manager. Sorry. Nick started in May and has jumped right on board with the project said we have in place and has been very valuable. I'll let him take a second. Tell him about himself. Welcome Nick. Thank you. I've been around the Valley a while, and most recently, I worked at the Chief Engineer at the Snowmass Club for six years. So some of you may recognize me from around and various town functions as well. So. OK. What is your background? Where do you, besides the six years at the SNOMAS club, what did you do? Well, in the six years at the SNOMAS club, I did a number of energy efficiency projects not just with the SNOMAS club, but as part of the Aspen ski company. I, you know, my special T is kind of building automation systems. While with the ski company, the new Mary Go Round restaurant, I did that building automation system beginning to end programming, designing, implementing, and commissioning on the LCAMP restaurant here, that building automation system, I had another project going on, so I wasn't doing that, but I was overseeing in his owners' wrap. Prior to that, I worked for a private, property management company in Aspen for about seven years managing residential and commercial buildings and prior to that this is you know for the turn of the century I was working facilities management for the music associates of Aspen both on the campus and the music content in Harris Hall. Very good. Are you ready? Yes, right. Tell me in the end, OK? Yep, so just a quick overview. This is kind of a checkup meeting coming back to you and telling you what we've been working on. As you recall in February, you all authorized the award of a contract with SGM as the prime and then we have some subcontractors in there, clear EI for electronics or engineering economic side of things. And we've been working on basically first meeting with staff on some of the areas that we have problems with or concerns with and then looking at the past studies that we've done, and then the kick started off installing the technology and the data loggers within the facilities as well as the snow melt facility, I call them facilities as well. And so today is a chance for Dan to present the data. You remember the key reason we wanted this was not only a chance for Dan to present the data. You remember the key reason we wanted this was not only for the historical data, which we had had the historical data as far as bill related, but we haven't had the data as live data, so we can look at things more on a regular energy basis, not just once a month and look at how many kilowatts we used. So this is our chance to show you that. And so I'll just pass it over to Dan and then we'll talk about where we're going from there. Very good. All right. Thank you for the opportunity to present this. I also want to say that this was a little bit more complicated than we thought to install this and I want to thank Nick and his staff for helping us. And also we've worked with Nick in the past and just if you didn't already know it, you're pretty lucky to have them on board. So with that, I will go over the energy navigator. This is the tool. This project is called Monitoring Based Commissioning, and this is the tool that allows us to monitor energy use, not only for our project, but going into the future. And it has some pretty cool things. So we thought it was a good idea to show you and the public what you have at your fingertips now. Before the energy navigator existed Really the town of snowmass had energy bills that the facility managers may or may not have seen It was 30 30 days worth of data. You didn't know when that data was used. You didn't know how or why And you couldn't really do much with it. You do have some sophisticated building automation systems like in town hall, but that's not really designed to track energy use. It's really designed to understand what's happening within the systems, but not track energy use. So what the energy navigator is, it's a new portal, it's a better window into energy that's being used. And I would say that it's probably one of the most, if not the most, user friendly tools out there that does all these things. And that's why it was created, because they really weren't enough. There were any tools out there that did it on its own. So I'm gonna give you a quick tutorial. Right now, this is town of Stomach Village. Site is password protected until we got it up and running. You can take that off whenever you want. There are some clients of ours and clients of energy navigator that want it to remain password protected. But once it's not, then it's anybody who has access to the web can get into this. And as you can see, this is the Colorado Energy Navigator. And these are all the entities that use this site. There are more on the Garfield Energy Navigator site as well. But this is kind of the homepage if you want to call out on energy navigator.com. This is where you go and we'll click on Snowmass Village. So first and foremost, if you're ever really curious, there's a tutorial that kind of walks you through it, how it works. It's kind of like a self-guided PowerPoint presentation. If you really want to geek out on it, you can do that. But that's what I'm here to do today. Generally, on the left-hand side, it gives you a summary. So here's a summary of Snowmass Village. In the middle is the meat and potatoes. In this case, it's a list of all your facilities. And on the right-hand side is where you access the data. On this page, you can also go to icons which you are on right now, or details. And details, the details page might be useful for Gary or for the council to really look at all the different buildings at once. Again, these are just the facilities we're looking at. Road, snow, melt systems, these are just the facilities we're looking at, road snow melt systems and the three primary facilities. You can look at how much you're spending over the last year. You can look at, for a building which is the miles per gallon, it's this KB2U per square foot of the benchmark. So you can look and see, you can't really see it all on one page, but look at the different snow melt systems and the recreation centers and you can see, well, you know, the recreation center uses a lot of energy per square foot, town hall doesn't. And it just helps you kind of get that global view. So that's what the details page does. Also, I should tell you that anytime you want to go back to it, you just click on snowmatch village and it kind of takes you to the homepage. It's supposed to take you to the homepage. We just have a website. Okay. Okay. Well, I'm going to go back to the details page of the icons page. Okay. Well, that's okay. So, going, as I said on the right hand side is how you access the data. You can see here there's year, multi year, annual totals. That's because we're looking at all the facilities we don't have real-time data. You can also look right now, we're looking at a table with dollars. This is how much you spent. You can look at CO2 emissions or you can look at just pure energy, normalizing electricity and natural gas. So you can look at whatever you want. Before the navigator, you could have generated this on an Excel spreadsheet, probably pretty easily. It wouldn't have been accessed by the public and you couldn't, it didn't update automatically and you didn't have these nice summaries over here. But nonetheless, you could still do this with just Excel. You can see here that in, we're looking at the most recent year, but you can also say, well, I just want to look at calendar year 2013. And you can see here blue is electricity red is natural gas and you can see, well, kind of obviously that it follows a seasonal trend. So not too bad. You can click on each one and see, okay, in October we spent 39,000, 67 too bad. You can click on each one and see okay in October. We spent 39,000, 67,000. And again, if I just want to look at energy use, if I'm an energy geek, it tells me the same thing, but it tells it to me in BTUs instead of dollars. But most people like looking at dollars. The other nice thing about energy navigator is you can go to multi-year. And this is somewhat useful. You can kind of see trends. You can see, well, did we use a lot more this year or last year? But again, it's not much more than spreadsheet data. Just put together in a nicer trend, but it tells you how much you spend in that period. One of the things that I like best about energy navigator is you can also say all right let's look at 2013. But how did we compare to 2012 and you just click on compare to the prior year and this dashed line shows up and you can see well for some reason last year in the shoulder seasons the town used a little bit more natural gas so you can start to see trends and this is stuff that because you could do it at the tip of your fingers it makes it pretty nice. You can click on different things. Oh I just want to look at gas. I want that to go away or I don't want to look at any electricity in either year and then you can click it back on. So it's pretty slick from that standpoint. Now, let's get into a building. There we go. So we're gonna go back to icons. Okay, so before we get into that building data, I want you to know what we're tracking. Obviously we're tracking electricity and natural gas on a real time basis, basically 15 minute intervals. Okay, but in addition to that, we wanted to provide some more tools were tracking electricity and natural gas on a real time basis, basically 15-minute intervals. But in addition to that, we wanted to provide some more tools for Nick and his staff. So for town hall, we're tracking not only electricity and natural gas, but it has the capability to track solar. If you were to install a solar array, you could see how much you're generating on a daily basis. And then we're also taking outside air temperatures and snow melt temperatures. Those were things that you weren't able to do if you're building automation systems, so it helps Nick troubleshoot. Public works in garage, basic electricity, natural gas, outside air. We're also taking temperature measurements of supply ducts in the parts room, things like that. Again, things that help Nick from any web-based computer troubleshoot that system or address complaints, comfort complaints. And the rec center we're doing basic outside air as well as solar temperatures, which I'll show you in a minute. I guess I can just show you. You can click on Recreation Center and let's go to month and just look at temps. And so again, for the average user, they don't really care what the temps are, but for Nick, this is good information. Again, not just for this project, but in perpetuity. Top of village in lot two, we're tracking snow melt temperatures again because you didn't have the building automation controls there, so it really helps to identify what's happening there their base village. We're just doing electricity and natural gas because it has a pretty robust building automation system already and then at parcel C you can see if we go back to the home page you had two submeters at parcel C already but they weren't functioning so as part of this project we made them functional as well as we're tracking the building as a whole. And I can get into that in a little bit more detail if you'd like. But basically it's not just energy. We wanted this to be a tool for facility management and again, monitoring based commissioning. So let's take a tour through Town Hall. You click on Town Hall, this kind of sums it up over the last year. You spent $36,000. Me as an energy manager, that immediately tells me how much is on the table in terms of investment in order to save energy use. You're not going to spend $500,000 to save 10%. So I know. For the public, they may want to know how much energy that compares to in terms of homes or miles driven. And again, the score, if you will, or the miles per gallon is this 98 P.T. So right away I have that information. This is a summary about the building. Kind of useful for subcontractors or whoever that wants just a general understanding of the facility. And then again over here, this is where I get to all the data. These yellow circles represent the live data, obviously day, week, month, but the year and multi-year, that data is input by the Navigator staff from your utility bills, and that's the only way we can get cost data, right? So that's part of it. So this is just what I showed you. You can look at multi-year data for town hall. You can look at town or excuse me, annual data. This tells you your KB2U per square foot or your benchmark on a regular basis. Again, you can click on this and just look at natural gas or not. You can compare previous year, same thing, a little bit more use on shoulder season. And you can look at the trends overall. Trends in both BTU or in BTU's CO2 and dollars compared to prior period. Look at specific months. Again this is much easier than in Excel spreadsheet. And then you can really get into the monthly data. And this is kilowatt hours. And this is the last one we installed. So unfortunately, we only have data going back to July 11th. I can show you another building if you want. But on the monthly tab, you can start to see, okay, it looks like Town Hall shuts down a little bit on Saturdays and Sundays and then it ramps up during the week Then it ramps back down on Saturday and Sunday and you can start to watch those trends Maybe they're maybe have a special event and it and it jumps up and you can start to understand that Click on the week view now you can really start to understand what's happening during the day Okay, so this is when everybody this is when Nick has the HVAC systems come on, and then everybody comes in, turns on the lights, turns on their computers, and they work all day, and they go home, and the same thing happens every other day. And here's a weekend where you can see, I assume this is sort of the police station occupying their offices, but you can start to understand trends and see, well, why is there a spike that day? These spikes cost you money because you get build in two ways. You get build for the total amount of electricity used, but you also get build for that peak amount. So even if you don't save energy, but you can shave this and put this energy used somehow down in this trough, you're saving money. So it's a great tool to do what they call peak shading. Then you can also look at it and say, well gosh, we've got 15 kilowatts of demand that never stops. You can think, well what is that? Possibly your IT, your network operations center, but a lot of times that's about 5KW. We're not really sure what it is here yet, but let's say it's 5 to 10. There's still 5kW of stuff that's on on a regular basis that may or may not need to be. And the idea is to bring that whole base load down as well. And we can do experiments where we come in after hours and shut everything down and somebody's working at computers. Okay, I'm going to turn on this HVAC piece of equipment, R2U. And then we can see what that spike is. We know, okay, that R2U is about 2KW of demand and so forth and so on. So this is pretty useful data and this is what we use to really dig in and figure out what's going on. And you can take an even finer look during the day and see what time this is. You can see every 15 minutes or it's taking its measurements. And again, what's happening? So now Nick can be at his computer anywhere and say, all right, what's happening? Oh, this, you know, this is when obviously air conditioning kicked on and maybe there's a bigger spike in oh, yeah, we had an issue. So it ran longer than what not. Then we thought. So you can really dig in. And I will show you an example of that of how you can kind of quantify that. I think it's, was it top of village? I think it was top of village. I looked at a month where Ed had to test a pump. I think he rebuilt a pump and he wanted to test it to make sure it was operating. So he ran it non-stop for this period of time. Well, he needed to do it. So I'm not saying, hey, you shouldn't have used this energy use, but now you can quantify that and say, this is how much that costs because we now know exactly what that was. And that was, that's a particular example where we know exactly what caused that spike. And sometimes you can shrink that or eliminate it or do lots of things, but that was a good example of sort of really associating tangible interviews with behavior, in this case behavior being running that pump Another thing that's pretty interesting that we haven't quite been able to figure out yet because we're still not finished commissioning the buildings is the Is it parcel C? I'm pretty sure it's parcel C. What is this happening? Uh, I think. So there's these spikes at parcel C. And this could be... Where's parcel C? It's the grass. Oh, okay. Sorry. Could be HVAC equipment coming on. Seems like it's a pretty narrow window. So it could be HVAC equipment coming on. It seems like it's a pretty narrow window. So it could be HVAC equipment short cycling, meaning it comes on and turns off, and it really shouldn't do that. Could be a lot of different things. Again, our job isn't to look at the parcel, see building our job is to look at the snow melt system and we haven't been able to tease that out yet. But you can look at these spikes. And again, these spikes could be costing $100 to $200 a month, which doesn't sound like much. But this is just one that, again, you can now see with this data and really troubleshoot that. We have some clients who have snow melt systems that have manual overrides. And that's what they turn it off in the summertime that didn't get turned off. And by monitoring it on systems like this, they realized our snow melt system wasn't turned off. Without this, they probably would have spent a couple thousand dollars that summer. So different things that you can do. And again, this is a tool that's now in place. Now your citizens can see this on a daily basis. Your staff can use it and we can use it to troubleshoot the buildings. I think that's kind of the overview. I was trying to keep it to about 15 minutes so I could open it up to questions. Anne or Nick, am I forgetting to touch base on anything that you guys want to meet with me? No, the one thing I just wanted to stress is that, as Dan mentioned, we haven't opened it up to the public yet. We're looking at it in-house right now. So we're starting to analyze some of the things and see what's going on before we make that live, kind of get our ducks in a row, so to speak. And the other thing is, as you know, we started this project in April, right when we were shutting down snow mount systems. So as we move through this project, our plan is to wrap it up by December. That gives us an opportunity, Dan's crew to take a look at the recommendations when we have the snow mount system live. And then now that we have the facilities, you can see it just finished up last week. They can start going through and looking at some recommendations of some of those energy saving projects as well. So basically the goal today was just to show you where we're at and that we're moving forward, and we'll be coming back again with more information as well as the financial side of things as well. Very good, Marky. Hey Dan, a quick question back to that building see that you had up there. And you see those spikes. Oh, well, I don't know. No, no. Okay. What I find interesting, they're multiple. How long do each one of those spike periods last? Is that maybe 30 seconds or is that several minutes? Good question. If we go to the daytime view, we can see that those, these are probably the same spikes. And if this is an hour, they're about 15 minutes, but that's what the interval is. So it's not more than 15 minutes, but we don't know anything shorter than 15 minutes. So that is interesting. So some of our automated systems allow us to do more tracking. So then we can change them to do more frequent automation cycling and take a look into that 15 minutes and say, OK, what's going on? Yeah, that's very interesting. Like I said, from demand, just from a pure cost standpoint, it can really help reduce your costs by just shaving those peaks. A lot of times in wastewater treatment plants and water treatment plants. Once they see this tool, they're like, wow, well, we don't need to pump to that tank in the middle of the day. We can level that out or we don't need to turn on the clarifier or what have you. So again, it's just sometimes moving energy can be as cost effective as saving it. Okay, and that's generally how these things are used. You know, with other areas, we've got these things, you've got these things in or you work with folks that have these, it's really a tool to design to where can we cut things and what can we turn off to where are the inefficiencies going? Yeah and it really helps to quantify it much more so when we go to like parcel C is a good example we don't know exactly how much energy electricity that is is going to snow melt systems but now we can see and we can get this baseline of summertime electricity use and then once it starts snowing We can tease out and say all right. Well, we know the difference is now snow melt So when we go to propose savings We know what's how much energy is being used so that snow melt system and we can apply The proper financial performance if you will so it's more than just understanding the data It's it's putting numbers to it too Very good. Yeah. Mark, are these available for, is this system available for home use? It sure is, but it's, for me, the cutoff is about $20,000 a year. If you're not spending $20,000 a year, it's probably not cost effective for you to use. There are other tools that are that is cost effective. Okay. But, you know, this for a building rough numbers, it's, you know, the bottom is about $5,000 worth of installation costs. Okay. Thank you. The utility companies also have some of these things for residential use. They don't have them for commercial side of thing. That's why we have to go this avenue. So you may want to talk to Holy Cross or, and I'm not sure if SourceGast says this yet, but my electric company that I had before did a data logger, I could log in, I could see what my annual use was and I could see it by the same things. It is the trend of the future. Yeah, when I was down in Macy County Library, a few months ago, I saw they had these little boxes that they would check out the folks and I thought it was the same similar kind of thing where they could take something and plug it in and just it was like wow that's pretty cool. And they do exist but the other thing is are you going to use those tools if it's not really easy and if it doesn't sort of engage you and what this does I I mean, being able to compare year over year quickly with one button looking at the last year or looking at 10 buildings on one page, but just as no other tool that allows you to do that. I'll mention also that the year over year comparison really helps when you are actively working on reducing energy consumption and your first reaction when you are actively working on reducing energy consumption and you know your first reaction when you see January of 15 over 14 and we're up by 10% well then you also have the data here you know normally when I've worked places where we don't have this you got to go to you know weather history and start comparing but here we have it all in one place and you see I was on average five degrees colder our you know our energy cycle was 28 days versus 35 and so you get all of that in a snapshot as opposed to you know a half a day's research and I'm glad you mentioned that Nick we will we haven't turned it on yet until the snow starts flying but we will be able to weather normalize the data so we will be able to weather normalize the data So we will be able to say well. This is how much more gas we use because it snowed this much more Which is a pretty unique feature to this You can also because now there's so many towns using it in our region You can now look and say well. What's Glenwoods town? I'll use it. What's carbon? They're not always a fair comparison, particularly with wreck centers. But it's pretty nice from our standpoint, too, to say, well, how good is snowmast town hall? Let's look at some others. And what's their base load? That's to me what I'm excited to see is, what's the baseline load of most town halls and can we bring that down by shutting things off at night? I don't think that's good. Any other questions of this report for today? I don't see any, but I think it's great that we're getting a good baseline and will help us make better to smarter decisions in the future. Great. Good stuff. Thank you. line and will help us make better to smarter decisions in the future. Next we have the manager's report. Thanks Mayor, Council. A few items that I need a response from town council on. First is I threw a few dates out there for strategic planning session. Just needed to, again, this would be to take a few hours, set some broad strategic goals for the council and the community moving forward. Do any of those dates work for you guys? Here. Sure. Turn on my eye. What are the dates to? July 28th. Sorry. A week from today, August 11th, which is a Monday. I'm not sure about the 13th. I could make the 11th work. I think that was it. It's a Monday. And then Wednesday August 13th. The best date for me is August 11th. 28th is not going to work at all. I'm not sure about the 13th. I could make the 11th work. OK. I think that works. What day is the 11th? It's a Monday. It's the second Monday of August. Yeah, I can push something around. I could do the 11th. So we'll wait for that then. I'll contact you guys and that works. Sun's like it. What time? 1 p.m. Okay. Are you going to contact plant? John, won't be present. No, no, no. Where are you going to be? Indiana wants me. Oh, very good. Okay. Fine. All right. Anything else? Thank you. I also included some information in the packet from the COGCC, Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, inviting our participation in the local government designate program. So I tossed that information in there so you guys can take a look at it. If you're interested, we can appoint a staff member as the town's designee. If any of the elected board is interested, you guys could appoint someone among yourselves. I have to say I have the experience with this program down in Laplata County when I was working down there a couple years ago. And it's a good program to stay involved and stay up to speed with what's going on with COGCC and oil and gas and fracking throughout the state. But make no mistake, it doesn't really provide you with any empowerment or authority. As you know, local control over fracking is a huge issue. This isn't going to be anything that gives you a pathway to that but it will it will amplify our voice a bit and and give us a means to stay connected with energy issues statewide. So just here curious to hear some feedback from council. I would probably say councilmember I got to go on a tour with the Raffta. All right, when we had a... Maybe I'll do it. Yeah, because I think it was important information, but I got to see and pay attention to and it gave me a nice foothold into that. So I'd participate. Any objections to the mayor? No. All right, we'll fill out the paperwork bill and have you sign it. So, okay. Thank you. Put a brief sales tax update in there. We're pretty much on track for that. And it varies month by month, but overall we're slightly up. August 18th Council meeting, USA Pro Challenges running on the 18th from 1 to 5 and we're putting out notices everywhere for the town. It will be limited, well actually there will be no access, the limited access will apply only to emergency vehicles, so there will be no access to the village during that time. So our meeting starts at 4, the roads are supposed to open up at 5, your choices are we could postpone the meeting to 5 o'clock or if you wanted to, we could postpone it to the 19th Tuesday. Or we could postpone it or cancel it all together. So we need to get some feedback on that. We don't have a lot on the agenda if I remember correctly. Yeah, there's like nothing. This point, it's, yeah, there's something that pop up on the agenda today. I don't know where the related, the SNOMS acquisition project will be at that point in time. So- Where do they go before the planning commission? Wednesday. Wednesday. This week's, would you- Yeah, Wednesday this week. I thought I'd want to be ready for us. With it a week or so, I would think. I wouldn't make any comments about how long that review is gonna take Yeah, okay, let them do their job and when it comes to you it comes to you Schedule meeting 530. Yeah, I was thinking if we could schedule for 530 Yeah, way we could you know still conduct business. It doesn't appear that's a lot of time but we we're still gonna placeholder and as things could do creep up we could deal with it. It may be you know try to keep it under you know two and a half hours so we get out of here by eight. That work for council. for me. Is that a fair direction to get down? Okay, let's try to do that. Okay, so I heard 530 start time. August 18th. Yeah. Great. Rhonda? Also, I only have three responses so far for the people for the budget meeting. If I could get together, two are responded. Be great. Okay. Am I one of those? You responded. Oh, I probably didn't who didn't respond this probably me. I don't think I did I'm marking and Jason. Okay, when's the budget meeting? It's the second item on the board. Yeah, I wanted to talk about that actually that's that'll just be a week after Clint gets here and I'm curious how late we can push that out in the calendar. First reading is on the first meeting of October, the second meeting is on the second meeting of October, doing the election and I wonder. That's not much choice. Not much. So that's the 20 seconds, the regular schedule meeting in September. 20 seconds. the regular schedule meeting in September. Second. Sorry. Yes it is. Our meeting is on the eighth and on 27th. So this says we blocked out the 22nd through the 25th. No, one of those days. Okay. The 22nd is a regular meeting. So if we did that, we would have to come in earlier and do mine between going through meetings. Not one skipped to Tuesday. Tuesdays. Tuesday doesn't work. Wednesday could work. Wednesdays, that's great. could work. This Thursday better. Thursday is probably better for me. Okay, I could switch. 25th. I can make the 25th work right now. What? Right on when Russia shut is. Give me a second. the the Russia's China September 25th of the local California You're going to leave in a couple of days for which means you're leaving on 23rd. Probably. Okay. That makes us go to 22nd then. So starting that early in the day. Technically that next week would work because there isn't a consummating. I don't know when you're coming back. When are you returning for anything? What day is what day is? We be the week of September 29th through August 3rd. You know, I'm comparing the fourth. I'll be here for you. I'll get four. So that that week would you know it would put pressure on the... Well, I could...the 22nd is what they... Monday. It's your regular schedule meeting. Regular meeting, it's okay. I mean, I could do it that. Yeah, that's the 4th Monday of the month. So, does the 22nd work for folks? If we do it just the whole day in the town? It's a nice village. First portion of the budget. Second portion of the meeting. Just make it work. Yeah. Let's do the 22nd. Let's. Uh. I guess I was going to suggest if we were originally, we're going to go from 9 to 3 and our regular meeting starts at 4 or if we just went from 10 to 4 and then, we're on. I would imagine the thing to be three o'clock is it gives you a little bit of time in the case you run over, it doesn't back you right up and to where you might have to. But it works against you too. If you finish early, you still have to wait to start your meeting. Yeah. And if your meeting runs long, people show up at 4 and you run an hour over there. You know what I mean? You don't lose time if you back them one on top of the other. So if you're done at 2.30, you can't start the other meeting even though you're here. You have to wait till 4 o'clock. So it cuts both ways. Yeah. So what is the council's pleasure? I'm fine. Are you at 10? Yeah, Michael for sure working lunch Probably That probably you know Thank you. Thank you Okay For my measures report Thank you. Then we move on to agendas. So we've got a agenda for August 4th meeting. August 18th and 8th. Any thoughts of alterations changes edits? Well there's nothing. Much on the fourth. No much. Ron Denise, you changed the 18th to 530 start. Yeah, great. Jason, do you think the next generation will be coming on the fourth? 30 start. I do and I'd encourage you to get in touch with them early. I know last time they were kind of cut off guard with the date. I have no. Okay. I will send you contact information. Okay. Moving on. Approval of meeting minutes. There was a correction on the 18th. Okay. Marky. Well, it's interesting Jason was there and then he wasn't there. And Doug Far is misspelled. So, were you there? and Doug Far as Misspelled. So were you there? I think I was not there. I'm 18. Also, was that the one they thought? Well, I'm in the council members as well. Well, you have council and planning commission members absent. So you did a combined. Right. Well, maybe Fred came in late because it says Fred's not there in roll call but then is in on item two I'm concerned one way or the other but I just happened to notice that Julian's and the bad British is really bad. I think we're looking at the that was the meeting that Jason was not in attendance but Fred what's there. So with that alteration. Okay. Any other changes of that date? There's a motion for approval of the June 18th by Fred Cooker. Second. Second by Markey. What's that changed? A minute to change. I just want to. Sorry, I just want to sorry I just want to question what? Who who prepared these did Julie do those or did Ron to do those that these minutes? We get them together. Okay. Just want to thank you. All those in favor of the June 16th meeting please signify the saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Moving on June 25th, motion to approve this special meeting again. I'd like to make a correction on my own, Dennis. Brandy and Mary Ann were not at this meeting. That's correct. Okay. Motion for approval. Motion Markey Butler second by Jason Hayber. I was asleep at the one else all right for Other edits changes All right, let's all those in favor please do know if I say aye aye July 7th 2014 motion to approve I still I still like it any alterations all those in favor please sing a festering aye. Aye. Any opposed? Now let's move on to Councilor Comments Committee Reports and Calenders. Anything going on? Richard, you were... What would you like to say, sir? To the microphone. And we generally do this at the beginning of the meeting so I'll give you a time today but come on up. Stay tuned in for the record? Well first I'll identify myself if you have a mirror. I'll make sure to go to win on a live at 385 Fairway Drive and I sent the council a letter on March 11th bringing up a number of matters. And I haven't heard anything from anybody that even received. I would assume somebody would have said, well, we have your letter and we'll give your thoughts consideration. But some of this is getting urgent for this, for one item is the metro district that was created at the time prior to the approval 10 years ago of base village. There should have been a requirement that the documents be attached to any agreement to sale under the banner of full disclosure. That never happened. And when I bought a condominium in a capital peak, which I still loan, I was told that the documents didn't exist, but it was a very small tax. Well, the tax is 50 percent of my tax bill, and the documents did exist. So I was lied to, but I think that there's a certain complicity here on the part of the local government that at the time of the approval they should have required, especially the metro district because it was already in existence. I also questioned in my letter was it approved by council or was it not required to be? Because a $50 million loan was made by the metro district from the county and the ski co-used to install their infrastructure. And then when they sold it for $169 million, part of that cost of part of the price was work in place of $50 million, which they never paid for, never intended, the way the rent for a district was set up. It's the residents that are going to pay for it. I would love to have a business like that where I can borrow money and somebody else pays it back. But I think it's worth looking into the minutes. It took place at the time of the approval. Was there any discussion about the micro-district? Was it totally ignored? When the $50 million loan was made by the county, was no mass village advised of it for use here? And what did the county know and when did they know it? I think it's worth an investigation of some sort even if it's just cursory to look at minutes. The other issue I had in my letter is the question. I understand there was a study of Stmass Village as to its carbon impact and that the impact is, Snowmass Village is twice the average community per resident. Now, part of that is the fact that it's a resort area and there's plenty of carbon pumped out of empty buildings until the season comes on. But I've had someone look at the new ordinance that you adopted. I think it's called a green building code. There are a lot of blanks as to what's required as it relates to energy production and the cost of it, not the cost, but the amount of negative effect it can have on the community. And this is an opportunity to close that door if there's going to be new construction here. I might also like to add, it's not my letter, but I certainly would like an answer to this letter, that an advocacy group is being formed to- What kind of group? Their goal is to make snow mass village villages, to greenest villages in America, and use all the resources that are available, state, county, organizations like CORE, and when there's a feasible program put together, it will be presented to the Council for consideration, but it would be presented to Council for consideration but it would be premature to get into it at this time. You have plenty of on your platter right now. And I was thought this was a very timely presentation from these people that they say how much retrofitting would cost and what would the benefit be when they made this presentation? I didn't mean- There was nothing that, you know, we needed to get a baseline first before we could go anywhere and understand what we're looking at. And so no, there was no presentation that said, we're going to reduce this, but there was some discussion about what we would hope we could be able to reduce. Specifically, as you saw, 20% of our carbon footprint by 2020, but a lot of times you see that governments were able to do more than that, but you set a goal. And there was no discussion. The retrofitting would cost X. I'm going to keep in touch with them. I thought it was very interesting presentation. And I do have somewhat of an engineering background. And I just see how this crunches out. I retrofitted my own home. I have convection panels on the roof. I bought 18 electric panels down Valley and my utility bills have dropped markedly. Even my last electric bill was $14 a month. Very good. Yeah, so anyway, thank you for your card. I just can't even look back to your first stuff. You know, a lot of times we know we don't respond a lot of those letters. Because they seem a lot of times like they are letters to the editor and you know, that kind of stuff so we can think about and add to our conversations. So I'm sorry that I did not respond to your letter. But a lot of those things were things that had been discussed and maybe we didn't have the, I think we had a pretty good idea back in the day when we were approving this that this was going to be a fairly high tax on the metro district. I don't know that I saw the exact figures but I remember seeing these figures in my mind going I can't imagine anybody getting into this thing but apparently there are enough folks out there that are going to get into this. So for I don't know that you know how your sale worked. What unit could you give into? Yeah. Did you buy into the capital peak of the Hayden? Well, I'm talking about really not so much the metric tax full disclosure for a buyer. You know, let the I know the expression. I'm sure we all do buyer beware, but not buyer lie to. And this should be taking up with your broker or the developer. Yes. I mean, I'll, Jeff Ferris, sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. of series of 2004 approving base village metropolitan district number one service plan as well as base village metropolitan district plan service plan number two on September 20th, 2004 which is long in advance and became a matter of public record long before any construction or sales that take place. So these were matters of public record at the time of any purchase of base village. Now I'm not saying anything about what Mr. Goodman was told. I just can tell you that the record should reflect that on September 20th, 2004, the service plans were adopted. By the way, they said it wasn't on record when my salesman had to see the documents. They're not completed. And yet they were. I think that's something you need to take up with your salesperson. Well, anyway, I just want to end up with one. I was a condominium builder in New Jersey, near Philadelphia. And I built a product for for projects. New Jersey law required every document that was recorded or would be recorded, how to be attached to the sales agreement. And if one eye was changed or one team was changing, how to go back to the buyer and get them to sign off or give them their money back. That fault of slosure is critical, I believe. So I thank you very much for your attention, and I appreciate the time. Why? Glad you're a resident here. I'm very, very glad. OK. Anything else? Council comments. Council comments. That's where we were. Jason. I guess I'll just mention I was glad to see I got a notice in my inbox today about a training event professional rodeo cowboys association rodeo training on July 23rd put on by our animal welfare animal services department here with the town and I guess I just have to say I've seen a couple airings of our snowmess rodeo on grassroots TV recently running and it seems to me every time I turn it on I see and granted maybe I have a lower tolerance than than some for this but several crins were the occurrences going on at the rodeo. And I found it quite disturbing each time I came across it. So I'm glad to see this training being put on. I hope it brings light to some of the things that go on in rodeo and that we can improve the operations that are going on down there. I saw several instances of animals really wrestling being dragged and depends against their will and having to be put under what appeared to me, significant force to get them to comply with what goes on in that event. I found it disturbing. I hope this training helps in that regard, and I'm happy to see it in my inbox. Very good. Okay. Markie. No, I really don't have any comments. I think otherwise on rodeos because I enjoy the Wild West and I heard it, so. No problem. I had gotten a stop by somebody in the mall today and there was some concerns that I'd like to see if we could maybe address in the future. Specifically was this event this week, which was the Aspen Camp School of Adepth Party, Pignette Fundraiser. It sounds like a few of the folks in the mall didn't realize the change of venue that had happened and they said that they hadn't gotten any notice from our marketing department. I swear I remember seeing things in the paper so I don't know if we didn't do things as well maybe as we could have to let them know. They said they had ordered a lot of food, expecting the event up on the mall on Friday and Saturday and a lot of that went to waste. So if we can do a little better job as things may change from time to time to time to let people know, I think that would be- I was very scheduled to pay for the wage. A lot of times, yeah, those things get changed fairly quickly. So that was the other thing. Also, I'll follow up with that. With the same group, this person said the last update he had gotten was June 16th of a occupancy report. It was hoping to see more frequently, you know, weekly reports that maybe we thought we were putting out. And I said, I didn't know what the schedule was for those, but I would see if those could be better, better give it out to the, you know, businesses and stuff on them all as new events or new things come in and showing trends and who we're expecting and how many people and that kind of stuff. So those are the destimhetrics for you. Yeah, I think so. Right. Tourism. Okay. Does that remember for years we'd see him from SRA weekly or you know monthly they would show us the forecast for that month and it's a good tool at some time but a lot of times you couldn't trust him from anybody. Mr. Jacobson. I think the only thing that comes to mind is that I remember a few weeks ago when I was traveling being in the airport and seeing all these different advertisements for a lot of other ski resorts and areas and thinking to myself, I haven't seen one for snowmess yet. And that being said, when I returned from the airport on this drive, though I'm not a big fan of billboards, I did notice one going through Denver that featured snowmats that I believe was from our tourism department, perhaps an association with the state. And I was at least pleased to see that. And I kind of had a nice general slogan about snowmass beauty or something like this and so I it sounds like we're we're trying some new things and getting some things done. What's your report had you been in that you saw some of the skiing stuff? I want to say in the Denver Airport because I've been through it so much that when you go in and out of the trains, you know, to get there, I saw like every other ski resort represented and they moved a change. I'm just mentioning it, you know, you know, I like to just bring back little tidbits. But I did remember noticing that and remember telling to someone, I don't know who it was and they said, oh yeah, I know, I don't know, I haven't ever seen it. But I did see this billboard, so I wanted to I don't know, I haven't ever seen it. But I did see this bill board, so I wanted to compliment that as well. Thank you very much. Mr. Cooker, nothing. Nothing for you. In that case, is there, there is an executive session on the list here. We have him counsel now meet an executive session pursuant to CRS 2464024, and Stomach Village Municipal Code Section 2, that is 45C, to specifically 4, 2, 4, and Stomach's Village Municipal Code Section 2-45c to specifically discuss one item. Personnel matter, except if the employee who is subject of the procession has requested an open meeting, pursuant the CRS 24, 6, 4, 2, 4, F, L, and Stomach's Village Municipal Code Section 2-45c. That's a motion I'll make, is there a second? Second. Second by Mr. Cooker. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? We would like to go off and have our meeting and we'll come back in here when it's done. We'll just go in the plumber trying to pull it. I made the... I'm going to do it. you you you Thank you.