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The first item of business will be the pro challenge update, and we look forward to listening to that presentation of about 20 minutes. We will then move into public comment, and that will probably be around 32330. And then we move into a consent agenda on financial issues which should be very short and very sweet. Mary Andratowski will present that and we'll have some draft agendas. And then the most important thing that many of our public are interested in is the appointment of the next town council seat. And just for our listening public, we should be starting those interviews around 340 if you want to come on down to town hall. We've had two individuals to withdraw their candidacy as of this morning, March and Martin and Bob Purvis. The last item on the agenda will be the Criblinic. And that will come on the agenda we think around about 740 for those of you who are interested. So needless to say when I announce kind of the timing of the agenda please note there will be changes. We may take longer with one of the candidates than another or what have you. So please be patient with all of us tonight. So without further ado, Nancy, you wanna come on up? So my name is Nancy Leslie. And I'm sure this beacon of micro-con. My name is Nancy Leslie and I am with the city of Aspen and kind of for this purpose, I am the local chair or the organizing chair for the US pro challenge. And this is our final kind of wrap up for the 2014 pro challenge. So that's, I've been here kind of throughout the year as we've been partners in this giving you updates. And so this is, this is obviously the final one for 2014. As you guys are well aware, this was a unprecedented second year that we hosted the overall start. What I'm going to do really is just point out some numbers. I have nothing new that hasn't been in your packet. But there are some things. I have nothing new that hasn't been in your packet, but there are some things that I just think are so noteworthy that I want to go over them again. NBC Sports moved the Monday broadcast back 30 minutes to put the overall start on East Coast prime time. By doing that we followed international soccer, the world's leading televised sporting event, and then they were encouraging people to watch the entire time. We did have two and a half hours of live coverage of our valley on Monday night, August. Oh gosh, when was that August 19th? 18th? 19th. 19th. Oh, sorry. I could tell you because we had council meeting I was like for it. Thank you Nancy. And by the way, hello Bill, good to see you too. And our TV audience increased over last year. We, by moving the race to prime time on the east coast, it equated to a potential audience of 270 million viewers via our international broadcast partners. On EuroSport and EuroSport 2 networks, there was 41 plus hours of coverage and a viewership of 15 million. And the U.S. cable ratings were again comparable to the NHL and American soccer. One of the things that I find really, if you take just a moment and really think about it, tour tracker once again saw the average user watch a daily stage for 109 minutes on their computer, iPad or iPhone. That's pretty cool, it's almost the entire stage. Then the Pro Challenge hires a company called Sponsorship Science LLC, which does some surveying of the audience and things that are right there on the ground. And I just really wanna briefly go over some of their findings. Spectators traveled in groups with the average party consisting of three people. The average hotel stay increased to 5.3 nights. 53% of the race attendees live in households with incomes exceeding 85,000 and within that group 32% had an household income in excess of 120,000. Spectators enjoyed the race experience. More than 80% said they were very satisfied and they are very much, they ride for fitness, they watch the tour and they are very much involved in this sport. And with that, I want to turn it over to Bill Tomsich, who can really speak directly to the logic numbers. Thanks Nancy. I'm Mattis Bill Tomsich for the record. President of St. Aspen's Snowmass. I've been working in the communities of Aspen's SNOMAS for almost 20 years now in the Central Reservations business and have been involved with the USA Pro Challenge since its first entry into Colorado and to Aspen four years ago. It was about two years ago when we had an opportunity to bid for the overall start. If you recall, the first two years, it was an Aspen only event that finished and started in Aspen. And when the opportunity for the overall start came along, which involves stays, for several days, anywhere from three to seven days prior to the actual event itself, we realized there was no way we could possibly host that kind of volume of people in Aspen on the final weekend of the Aspen music festival. So we had an opportunity to pitch it to the lodging properties in Snowmass Village and they were very excited about being involved in this event and the net result was overall occupancies over that entire weekend that peaked out last year, 84%. Until, and the prior year was 83%, on average, on that Sunday and Monday night, in years prior, if you go back, oh, then last five or six years, you can see, over that weekend, ranged anywhere from 30 to 50%. So, arguably, it's nearly a doubling of the number of room nights booked in this village here over that three to seven-day time span compared to what had historically existed. And while there were discounted rates, the average rate that was actually paid for those rooms was only about a 20% discount over what the average daily rate is at those hotel properties during much of the summer. So it was a nice chunk of business for Snowmass Village, and I know the teams really enjoyed staying up here, and the fact that we were able to have the cameras on Aspen and Snowmass by hosting an exclusive circuit race stage for two years in a row. The television coverage for this resort, as Nancy already spoke to, was widely received. In this past year, especially, we were blessed with perfect weather and it was absolutely spectacular. I don't know if you have actually seen the television coverage of it. I still have it saved on my DVR because the images were better than any that I've seen in the summer. Aspen the snowmass in the surrounding mountains. So you can't buy that kind of coverage. We're waiting to hear what happens for next year. Certainly we're hopeful that we will have an opportunity to host one or more stages again next year. And we're expecting that that announcement will be coming forward sometime before the end of this month. If not, sooner. Do we have any questions? Well, I have, I guess maybe a comment but with a little question on the back end. It seemed to me that there were few eventers this year in the in the marketplace then there had been the previous year. Do you have any feeling for why that might have been? In the festival area? In the festival area in Aspen. I don't have an exact count, but I think what you saw, I believe we had almost the same numbers, what we really tried to do was consense them. What you saw two years ago, we used kind of a lot more streets, and so we were more spread out. And what we did is we did a really concerted effort this year to put more people in the park, and then really kind of utilize all those spaces on the streets better. Well, I noticed noticed I noticed particularly that there were vendors that I had actually talked with a year before that weren't there. And so what it is it's almost like a it's it's an opt-in you know they we have vendors we sell vendor spots and the pro challenge sells vendor spots and it's if they would like to come back, if they can come back, if it works on their calendar. So vendor spots are not necessarily for the entire week, they could be day by day. Correct. Correct. Thank you. Yes. I have a few questions for you Nancy. Okay. And for Bill. And this goes back to a meeting that occurred at CAST. It's a Colorado Association of Skeetowns. I'm sure you're familiar with them. And it occurred last week, last year in Basalt. And the presenting guy, I don't remember what his name was. You knew who I'm talking about. Yeah, was talking about something of extreme interest to all of us. And the questions came from our colleagues in steamboat and other venues. And that was you continue to call the race the pros cycling challenge. It doesn't have a Colorado name on it. Does that mean at some point you could move it to Utah? And we did not get an answer to that and I think it's a plausible question that you who are negotiated with might and you've probably already heard this before. Can you kind of give me the lay of the land on that? What I can tell you is certainly what I've heard. So when that question is posed usually to Sean Hunter, the race CEO, there's a couple things. The race itself is owned by two gentlemen, Richard and Rick Shatton. And so what Sean does say is, and correct me if I'm wrong, because you've probably heard the same thing, the race has no intention of moving away from Colorado. And America's race is very similar to a lot of big sporting events take out the Super Bowl, which does move from place to place. But you have the master. Was the master? Yeah, master's always known as the best. Yeah, correct. So you know, you do have all these amazing sporting events that don't have the names of places in it that do not move and they are looking at the pro challenge just like that. That it will always be a Colorado based race. It's just it It is owned by these two gentlemen. And we don't have that stake in it. Then another question I've gotten from the public bill. I'm sure you're going to have some questions as well. What is the spend for our council, the town of Somance Village, Aspen, Chamber, all of us that go in together for this. So, I don't wanna speak for other communities, but so let me tell you kind of as I believe and as I understand. So as I understand, Snowmass puts in 25,000 towards marketing and Acro puts in 25,000 of marketing. They kind of jointly, you of jointly take that and run with it. So that's not something that comes my way. Then the council we asked I think 53,000 something in that magnitude. 53,000 which was a split on the hotel rooms and the writer meals. Okay. And then the city of Aspen pledges 215,000. Okay. Do you have a sense of what the 2015 race might look like in terms of cost? Nope. Not until we know what the- What's going to get- What? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we We don't okay. Thank you Bill The I understand the opening stage is interesting because you don't want to Determine the final on the first stage, But one of the things that I hear from the merchants on the mall is, is there a possibility for the course to go up Snowmout Hill or even down Snowmout Hill so that they could get the mall more involved? Is that something that's been discussed? I would tell you that everything's been discussed. And everything will always be discussed. I don't think wherever, you know, stuck on one plan. And again, it just, you know, depends on what 2015 looks like for us before we have any conversations about that. Yeah, back in the days of the Cours Classic, when they did laps up here, it was pretty exciting. And it's a great way to get people into the mall. I think what I heard from people is because the roads are shut down. There's really no opportunities so the mall essentially shuts down. And also the KOM that's at the fire station isn't truly a KOM. I mean, it's not very steep right there. So I would say, you know, if that could be taken into consideration, that be you know a huge win for snowmass. Agreed. Yep. Any other questions? No, not for me. Well I applaud your efforts Nancy and Bill you guys have worked really really hard our marketing and tourism group also worked very hard on the race the community all the volunteers it really is a wonderful event, and we truly appreciate your work. Please let us know what we can do to help going forward. I will. And if I can just say one really quick thing, while it is me up here and while it is bill up here, obviously there are so many people behind us. So it's just, I'm simply the girl sitting here for long. Yeah, there's a lot of people who put in a lot. And a lot goes on behind the scenes and I'm sure that once the announcement is made about who the host cities are going to be, we're going to have to move really quickly. So I remain in touch with all the STEMAS properties because whatever unfolds, assuming we are awarded some sort of stage next year, it's going to have to involve SNOMAS, which I might just also add. In my 20 years, I've never seen a single event that has involved better collaboration between Aspen, the city of Aspen, the town of Snowmass Village, and there's no way that it could be done without both partners here. So it's been a privilege to work on this, and we're eagerly anticipating what comes next. When do you expect to hear or have an announcement for the course for his coming year. I'll simply say when it was announced in years gone by last year was already announced by the 4th of November. Two years ago it was the middle of December. We've been assured that it's going to be before the end of December. It could be a lot sooner than that. Okay. Sometimes in the next month. Sometimes in the process. We hope so. So the applications have gone in and all that stuff. Do you know how many you're buying for the first stage? Nope. I don't know. Nope. No intelligence. OK. I can say it will be somebody other than just no mass. No, not alone here. It's a great event. I look forward to coming back. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The next item on the agenda is public comment and I will take comments from the public. Any questions from the public? It's our opportunity to listen to the public as council people. So do I have any public comments this evening? Seeing no hand go up and no one come up to the microphone. Let's proceed. We have a consent agenda. A consent agenda this evening composes of a resolution regarding the regular meeting dates for town council. Also includes a resolution leveling general property taxes for the year 2015. Mary Ann is here for any questions associated. And then we have review draft agendas for December 8th, December 15th, and January 5th, and the review of calendars for December, January and February. Do I have a motion from a member of my esteemed council to move forward with a consent agenda and approval thereof? I have a question. I can go ahead. I was looking at the calendar reviews and I think there's a misdate somewhere along the line. I can't remember what my love hand. Calder's on page 33. Now it's, it's, um, maybe it's not there. Where was the resolution? No, where was the dates through like next September. Well, those are just on the resolution. They're not a calendar. They're on the resolution. Yes. They're on the resolution. Okay. Page 19, 2021. Can I just check it out? Absolutely. Which dates well. Hmm. Are you saying I missed date? Yeah I think the June meetings are the first and the 50th not the second and the 16th. I don't have a calendar just to the notations. No big deal. You have a calendar. You have not, yes. Pardon? They are the first and the 15th. Yeah. They have to come to me. You have to come to me. You have to come to me. You have to come to me. You have to come to me. You have to come to me. You have to come to me. You have to come to me. You have to come to me. You have to come to me. You have to come to me. You have to come to me. You have to come to me. You have to So the resolution needs to be modified the first and 15th. Yeah. Oh, you have to pull that off the consent agenda and press it with an amendment. Yeah, let's do that. Okay. Could I have a motion to approve the consent agenda and within that motion to pull out resolution 33. So moved. Great. Thank you, Bill. Okay. The balance of the items on the consent agenda, do I have a motion for approval? So moved, approved. All in support? Aye. Aye. Opposed? No. Okay. Bob, you want to talk about let's pull that resolution out on the date. And do you want to make an amendment to resolution number three regarding the dates? Yeah, the dates for the June meetings should be June 1st, June 15th, 2015. Correct. Do I have a second to that motion? I will second. Thank you on support Okay in terms of the resolution number three series of 2014 establishing the regular meeting dates of of 2014 establishing the regular meeting dates for calendar from January 2015 through December 15th. Do I have a motion for approval on the resolution as amended? So moved. Thank you, We're getting good at this. Okay. So we will move on any. I see Mary Ann has left. The only comment around I know that part time homeowners have generally a meeting sometime in December. Might we know when that is yet? Or Kelly? I just want to make sure oh part time residents sorry keep forgetting it's P-TRAB so when you so you're asking that because you wanted on the calendar yeah I want people to get some of these events on their calendars to make sure our council members are available. Because this is your calendar, not? Yeah. Well, I look to one calendar or so. So that would be very, very helpful. If you can send that out, Kelly, that would be helpful to all of us. Let's move on then in terms of the agenda for this evening. We are going to be moving in to interviews of potential council members. And as I will share with you, we first have a public hearings which is quasi judicial hearing. There is nothing on the agenda so we will not have any quasi judicial hearings this evening. Now we're moving into policy legislative public meetings. There is nothing scheduled on the agenda so I will move forward right into administrative reports. There are none this evening and lastly, the very important part of our evening is item number eight on our agenda is town council reports and actions. So we will be interviewing eight prospective members for the one seat that is remaining. In terms of process, I want everyone to know who's listening and those people who are here this evening in fellow council people that this is a public process. This is not anything that can be decided in an executive session. So needless to say, it's pretty hard not to talk about people as we get narrow eight people down to one. So please know that we've got wonderful people who've applied for this seat. I don't want to discourage anyone who has applied. If one is not selected, I do want you to continue to work for the town as a citizen and join the various boards and committees and commissions. It's extremely important we seat tons of boards whose appointments begin in January. seat tons of boards whose appointments begin in January. Also this evening, the way we will be working the interviews is each one of us will be asking questions. We haven't really spent any time of what those questions might be. There has been some draft questions that were provided. And there's like 40 of them, and I don't think anyone want to have 40 questions asked of them. So we're just going to go and see how the flow happens. And the first candidate this evening will be Tom Good. So Tom, you want to come on up. So as Tom prepares to make the few opening comments and I'll start with nice break. Tom just for your knowledge, we're going to do all eight interviews this evening. There'll be no debate tonight, no discussion tonight. The meeting on the 8th is extremely important. And that is the time this council will be making the decision on who that last council person will be or the one council seat that is sitting here will be honored to fill please know during the week people may call one of us and have conversations none of us can meet three together to talk about candidates so please know that that cannot happen. So with that and without any further ado we're going to go right into an icebreaker and my question for you is what did you have for Thanksgiving and how do you spend the holiday? Well first of all you have to do a metamay or a gentleman of the council and staff. Actually I had a wonderful thing and I did have a traditional turkey dinner and wound up skiing every single day and enjoyed it regardless of the condition. So thank you for asking that. I hope everybody here had a nice holiday also. So you had a lot of trip to Pean is what they call it. Well, I didn't have that much. It's the only old nurse. You know, the fortunate part of visiting and going to someone's house says you bring addition You get to bring home some leftovers and you don't get to Suck on that part of Turkey for three or four days later Okay, I'm going to turn that question so we're just gonna kind of go round robin if that's is that okay? Yeah, let me just say this though You know, I just wanted to after I had a chance to look at the agenda and the papers and everybody that applied, I didn't really get an opportunity. I had to do a handwritten application when I applied the online agendas or applications were not available. So I feel kind of, I feel my penmanship is not that good, but I want to make sure it's not going to be judged on anything about that because I also was not able to go any further than the dotted lines inside the applications. Thank you, Tom. Okay. Okay. Bob? Okay. Well, Tom, I mean, to respond to your previous statement, I mean, that's why we'll do these interviews and hopefully you will have enough opportunity, or as much opportunity as you feel you need to expand on what you had written in the application. So my first question here, I guess, is, of all the personal and professional skills that you have, what do you think is the most essential or beneficial skill that you would bring to council? Well, all the different skills I have and I wear a lot of different hats. And I really feel that the most important one I could probably bring to council is the fact that I'm fair no matter what hat I'm wearing. And I like to feel that I am a professional when I'm wearing each and one of those individual hats. Thanks. You spent some time as a football coach and a referee, I believe. How do you think those skills will benefit you on council? Well, you know, I think everything I do in regards to whether it's on a football field and what I've done in the past with football teams, or I have also organized, and then the area directive for the whole western slope of all the officials. I've always felt that I like to create a team or like to be part of a team, and I've been on some very successful teams and through the years of if it's college football or high school football, the part I remember of all of being on that successful team was there wasn't necessarily a star. Everybody acted as a team and what I've seen what the council has done in the last few years. I know we've had some very aggressive agendas and it's brought out the best and it's brought out maybe even the worst of some people. But I did not see a team. And I feel that I am a true team player and could contribute as a team member of the council. Speaking of previous councils, how do you resolve conflict when you're not really convinced there is willingness, ability and commitment to find resolution? You know, you coached football. You know, there's that's a very difficult question. You understand that. And I think if I would have had the answer to that, I may have been more helpful in the beginning of this previous council. But I think the best thing I found that I've done through the years, I've never given up on anybody. Now, I could take the skinny, and I'm relating this back to football just because it's what you brought up. I've taken the skinniest young man and maybe the least talented young man, and I've never given up on that young man. And we've worked hard and who has worked hard, not me as the individual, but my whole coaching staff. And I've also had my team work hard with this individual to accept this individual as part of the team. Now, it's not going to be done by me as the head coach or an assistant coach. It's got to be done by everybody. And then you've got to, you just have to introduce confidence in that particular individual. Now, if we're going back to a council situation, I really feel this council may have given up with each other. They've gotten to the point that passed council. They may have gotten to a point where I'm done with this. I know myself and this person, we're going to go this way and I know those three people, they're not coming with us, but we've got to convince somebody to come with us. It's kind of like watching that show survivor. You've got to create an alliance or something, you know? But I think as a team, this council, it's already better as far as I'm concerned. I could see some major improvements with the new blood on the council, including the mayor right down to the council people. And I think Mr. Jacobson's attitude that I've seen in the last council meeting has been wonderful. Okay, in regards to accepting the new council members and I look forward to not necessarily, I look forward to be a council member, but I also look forward to what this council, this new council, whoever's appointed in regards to what direction they're going in. Thank you. Bob? All right. Well, we've been kind of hitting the subject of teamwork and team building and so forth. So let me just stay on that for another moment or two. And with your experience, what has worked best for you for developing an atmosphere of teamwork? Well, number one, you know, you're not lucky enough to necessarily hand select the team you want here. These are team members that have been appointed and elected by the town. And I think my experience with the two boards I've been on, I've been on the board of appeals for 33 years, at least 33 years. But on that board, before my daughter was born, she's over 33 years right now. I chaired that board for the last 10 years. Everybody that's been on that board, we've had one turnover in that board. And I feel we are, even though we don't meet as often as we used to meet, we are a team. When we've had opportunities through the years, we used to meet every Thursday, the last Thursday of the month. And back then, we had opportunities to review every single person who has come for a contractor's license or subcontractor's license. We've advised our building department at that time in regards to what kind of good guy letters we need from them. What do we basically, what do we hear about them in the valley in regards to that? So that as a team has worked for me. The team I've joined last April, planning department. I'm still feeling that position out. I feel the people who have been on that team with me. We've been a little overwhelmed with base village sketch plans and everything else. And I don't feel I don't feel I'm there yet with that team. But to answer your question, Bob, I think I have a lot to add in regards to being neutral about everything until we as a team can come to the conclusion that this might be the best direction we need to go in. Thanks, Tom. Talk a little bit about your experience on the planning commission, kind of the steps you've been through and what your vision is for snowmass village and base village. Well, like I said, I've been appointed. I was lucky enough to be appointed in May and we went right into series of weekly meetings from sketch to meetings, joint meetings with town council and the opportunity to be able to meet and be part of that sketch meeting where you went in different groups around with different people in the town. Get to see exactly what everybody, everybody has a view of what base village needs to be for them. All right, and I was a little bit, I want to say my eyes open a little bit in regards to what everybody's feelings were. When it came to the aquacenter, for instance, and then doing a little bit of research on the people that bought into the condos and people that bought into those associations and what they were promised by reading the emails that were sent out for the people who were basically a little disappointed that nothing has done what they expected of so far. Now, in regards to what I think the direction of the town should be going in, there are a number of things that I'm not complete. I got interrupt here because Tom is the city member and there is an application pending and front of the planning commission. I think it would be inappropriate for you to express your personal views on how you would like base village to proceed because that could be then a reason you would have to recuse yourself. I agree. I have some strong feelings on the roundabout and the direction of base village. Thanks, John. I get it. And when you were talking about the past application, which has been withdrawn, that's fine. But when you talk about your future because you are a city member, and I apologize, I probably should have cautioned you about that. I didn't understand that you were going to ask that question. But because he is, I think he has to maintain neutrality because he's a member of a board that's going to. Appreciate that. Maybe Billy, what I could say is, like every other citizen in his town as a neutral person not being on any board, I look forward to base village being done, not necessarily done or being moved forward. I look forward to seeing a crane up on the hill and activity being done. I'll just leave it at that. Fair enough. In terms of the board of appeals and the work that you've done with the building, how involved were you when we worked on the Green Building Code? I worked very closely with Mark Kittle on that. I actually sat here next to him, sat right chair with him when he was moving forward. Mark, let me give you my history besides I was an industrial education major in college. I was also an industrial, when I graduated I was an industrial arts teacher. Growing up in the plumbing business I was always involved in a construction business. My dad, my brother, my dad's brother, my own brother. So I was very involved in commercial and industrial buildings in East Coast, and very heavily involved in knowing what union's were and how heavy the union's vote was in regards to what happened. Mark Kittle had asked us to come to the table several times and we talked about a number of things. Besides the energy code, we talked about the uniform plumbing code, we talked about the international plumbing code, and the international building code as opposed to the uniform building code. So it was not necessarily a direction that Mark pulled out of his back pocket and decided, this is the direction we're going to go in. Everybody in the valley is doing this. Mark Kittle, we're very lucky enough to have Mark Kittle as a building inspector. He has come to us in many situations and asked us not only our opinion, but had asked us to work through some of the decisions he had put in front of him to make that decision as a committee necessarily as an individual. So I for one just on the plumbing side gave him an evaluation of the uniform plumbing code as opposed to the international plumbing code. It spent a lot of time on the research of both. And I'm just going to put this very simply. I told Mark the International Plumbing Code is what I call the home depot code. It's basically designed and it's an easier code. I really prefer not to use the International Plumbing Code. And if we were going to use the IPC, I would ask to put certain restrictions or dendoms in that. So some of our codes would keep our continuity of the quality of the building that we've been doing in this town for years. Just one little follow up. Do you see the green building code is a good thing or increase in cost or? Well, I have a lot of thoughts on that, but I think it's. I think it's going to the right direction because everybody is. OK. I do feel the I do feel there's a there's a lot of room for improvement. For instance, with energy efficient boilers and water heaters and everything that everybody is looking forward to doing. For instance, no less than 90 percent or 91 percent efficiencies are stamped on certain things for mechanical equipment and appliances, meaning, blurs or furnaces or even water heaters. What they don't tell you is you could have a 25 or 15,000 square foot house, but they don't tell you how to zone the house and make that house more efficient. They're going to give you a rating of a boiler or a furnace at 90 percent to 91 percent efficiency, but that's at sea level. We don't operate at sea level. We have, you know, we have the evaluations for every 2,000 feet that have to come into account because we're living at basically 9,000 feet. But the bottom line of your question is, I think we're going in the right direction, but can we fulfill that whole thing? I think it's going to be very difficult. Okay, we're each going to do one more question. Is that fine with you guys? Okay. Okay. So Tom what your mind what's the biggest the single biggest area of opportunity for the community going forward? Bob are you referring to me as an individual? Well I think I've been around the community since 1973. And I've sat back in regards to not totally under the radar. Like I said, I've been involved in this a few of these boards for a long time. I've been involved in the community for a long time. I feel as a person that I am, I know I could do something very fair and square for this community on the town council. I feel I could stay objective. I for one just like I answered Mr. Madison's question. I want to see base village be complete. I also want to see it be done in the correct way. I don't want to do, I'd like to see this town not rushed off and do anything in haste and I hope I could add to the quality of those decisions made in that direction. Thanks. Going back to your football coaching career and being a referee. What do you see as the greatest, what have you learned the most since being a referee coming from the football coaching side of it? Well, this is a really good question. Thanks for asking football questions. I think it's taken the pressure off me a little bit. You know, I have football running through my veins. So I think I can answer that question for probably 45 minutes, but I'll try to be as brief as possible. I found that on the coaching side of things, I really learned just as an athlete when you're playing for a team, you get an opportunity to play for different coaches. You never stop learning. You seem like when you're the athlete and you're the player, you're coming out of here. You should learn something every day. As a coach, I found that to be the same way. Not only was I handed a rule book in the beginning of the season to know what the chasse of rules were. I read that book. There weren't a lot of coaches that read those high school rule books. Everybody is under the impression for what you see on a Sunday is what really happens on a Friday night and it's not the same. We're governed by a lot of different rules. And unfortunately, there are a lot of assisting coaches because of their mentors, their head coaches. The head coach doesn't know the rule. I've come across very few head coaches now that I've been an official for almost 10 years. And the fact that I had been a coach before I was an official, I was able and capable and had the opportunity to be on many different parts of the field. I've been a white hat prooche. I've been able to be on the sideline for the championship 1A game in Ray Colorado against Burlington. Spent the night in Yuma, Colorado. And I'm gonna tell you something. And that's just the 1A school. Those players, because the 1A didn't mean they were any smaller, they just had a smaller amount of kids in that school. Those coaches and those communities, they have an opportunity to be very grateful for the officials on the field. And that one time, during the last 10 years after a game or during the game or before a game even at a JV game that I not have a coach and the best thing is when you have players come and shake your hand and say thank you for helping us out. And sometimes on the field some of the players will call you coach and it's really a great feeling because they're going to gain confidence from you and that confidence goes back to them and turn that makes them a better person. Not necessarily just a better football player, it makes them a better person. And I think that's part of the whole team concept is what these teams, especially football, it's a team sport, it's not an individual sport. Thank you, Tom. I'm going to ask a question that came forth from one of our community members who gave it to me over the last few days. It'll be a two-part question, and then we're going to ask you if you have questions for us. The question was, you chose not to run for election for town council. Why or why not and why now and the second part of the question would you plan on running in 2016? Well I could certainly answer those questions because I have a I actually thought of running and I've been I've been asked to run for the last, I think, 10 years I've had some people behind me that always asked me to come forward. And at one point I thought, well, there's just a tremendous amount of prep work. Then I realized I do prep work all the time. I'm capable of doing this. And I want to answer the question. Part one, we had some wonderful people running for election this particular time. And I really thought this was not the time for myself to throw my hat in the rain. Because I really thought that the people in the town would be totally confused. I don't think it's necessarily a popularity contest. I didn't want it to be a popularity contest. So I decided to stay back behind and I backed several different people. And it was very open to anybody that came forward. And at the same time, I also had people, some of those same people asked me again why I did not run this time. And my main answer was we had several wonderful people running for election. And again, I didn't want to confuse everybody Would you run in 2016? Absolutely, I'm looking forward to being appointed and if I don't get booed out of office I would be I would be looking forward to going even further with a I'm gonna I'm gonna say a political career. I think that's about what it is and it's a very subjective career Okay, thank you now. Do you have questions for any of us? Well, I'm a little confused about, what does this council and Madam Mayor, what do you think besides base village? Everybody really feels base village is going to be the elephant in the room as far as what's going to be every weekly meeting. When you read your packet and you're not really allowed to talk to each other until you get together here on a Monday at 4 p.m. And you withhold all of your feelings. I'm assuming you're trying to stay subjective and try to stay in the middle of the road to something that convinces you to go one direction. I guess the question I feel is do you take everything else that comes up on the, on the in that packet? I don't have to say for granted or do I feel that you talked about football, Bill, and when I, when I referee a middle school game or five coached, middle school, if I coached JV, those players felt, even though it's a JV game or a middle school game, that was their Super Bowl. Every single game that they played, it was as important to them as important to the parents as the Super Bowl. I hope that this council is going to feel that everything that comes up in the packet and that's on your dockets and that are on your list of resolutions and everything as just as important as base village. And the question is, I hope you bought into this when you decided to run. Bill? Absolutely. Okay, Bob? Well, you've sat on a planning commission with me for a while. And I hope that that experience has can answer the question for you. But yes, I look at every piece on here. I do. And that's why I feel good about this council. And actually, I was expecting this question to be asked of me. So I was prepared to ask. It could be on my list, but I'm not going to talk. Well, anyway, I'm honored to have the opportunity to be able to apply for this position and like to be appointed. I actually have planned to be out of town next week, but I am very willing. If you tell me next Monday's meeting is important for me to be here, I will change my plan. I was planning to be back on Tuesday. I will change my plan and make sure I'm back on Monday afternoon for Council meeting. Thank you, Tom. Thank you very much. I just will respond to your question. I think it's very important that our public clearly understand the council does go into a strategic planning retreat. Every year we set our agenda, what are our goals, etc. Every item that comes according to that strategic plan become extremely relevant and important to all of us and there's additional items that some of us would like to see discuss and we'll be discussing those in the near future. So base village is only one of many, many important issues in this town. For me and for at least I can also summarize my two fellow colleagues. That's the answer I was expecting and that's the answer I was prepared to answer if the question was asked of me. Thank you very, very much. Thank you everybody. Thanks Tom. Okay. Our next candidate will be Doug Throm. And what I will do is ask our council members, I'm going to give you a few minutes to kind of write down your notes. And you could talk amongst yourself, you know, out there. Would you like us to take a quick break on TV? If we could do three minutes? Well, he's not here yet. He's not here yet. He's not here yet. And he's not scheduled to attend the meeting. A week later. you you you you you I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the you you you you you you you Yeah, the right things are the fun. Oh, you can call me on myself. I don't have that. Oh, thank you. And get settled here if you want a glass of water or what have you. My standing. You're going to stand right here at the podium. I'm going to go out and say hello to you. I'll get more going to get you calmed down a little bit. I know I was confused with the great stuff. Are you on the course today? Yes. Grace? What is your name? Thank you. Good afternoon, Doug. And for our audiences, this is Doug from one of the candidates for our council seat. Doug, I truly want to welcome you here this evening. We're going to be doing some questions. We'll do kind of a round robin about total of 10, 11 questions. And at the end of the interview, we want you to feel free to ask us questions as well. Okay. And it's a little about 10 after 4. I'm going to follow. I'm going to try to keep it right on the 25 minute to 30 minute interview time. If it's quicker than that, that's fine. But most importantly, can you tell us a little bit about yourself, Doug? I moved to Snowmass Village in 1968. I grew up in snowmass my father was at snowmass real estate from the early 60s. For a long time in the real estate business I went through the school system and asked when I went to the University of Colorado, finished in 83, lived in Aspen probably from 83 to 88, 89 and then moved back to snowmass village. I've been in snow 83 to 88 to 89 and moved back to Snowmass Village. I've been in Snowmass Village since then. I have a wife and two kids. My daughter is a third year at University of Denver. My son's at Aspen High School as a senior. I'm a general contractor. I've been a general contractor for 25 plus years, 30 years, something like that. My office is an Aspen. I'm licensed in Aspen, Pitten County, Snowmass. Most of my work is up Valley. I served, I've been involved in the Aspen's Key Club since. I was a young ski racer in the 70s. I served on the board there. I coached there, I race there, I coached there. I served on the board there. I coached there. I race there. I coach there. I served on the board there. I served with the Little Red School House and my kids with the Little Red School House. And then I think in about 2003, 2004, something like that. I ran for the Stomach Water Exhibitation District and served on that board for 10 years. So I was term-limited out in May. I really enjoyed that. It was exceptionally exceptional learning opportunity, a lot of information. I felt really good about that. And felt like maybe it was time to continue to, as I said, my daughter is at the University of Denver. And my son is graduating high school. And I thought maybe I have the time now to continue to give back to the community, like I did at SWSD. Thank you very much. Bob? Sure. Nice to meet you, Doug. Nice to meet you, Bob. Thank you for putting an application, trying to participate in the town government. In your opinion, what's the most essential skill a council member needs to be successful here? I'd say it's a listening skill. You'll be able to listen and understand the information given by both citizens and people speaking as well as the paid staff. I would think the paid staff is the one that probably leads the information and leads the council to some extent. They're professionals and I think it's important to listen to what they say, discuss, understand it, and then ask the right questions and help make decisions as a collaborative decision-making. Thanks. Well, can you give us an example of how you've created positive change in an organization? I guess that the most recent would be some S water and sanitation district. When I started on that board 10 to 10 years ago, my perception and I think that a lot of perception in the community was that it was kind of an old boys club. It wasn't very open to hearing things and being forward thinking. And while I don't think I should take, I mean I don't know how much credit I can take for it. I think that the kid hand being a manager down there is exceptional. But being on the board and in the 10 years I was there, there was a lot of change in the way that the whole organization was run from the board meetings to, you know, the Ziegler Reservoir obviously was an exceptional, incredible asset to community and to get that taken care of while I was there. I think I was involved in that successful project. Nice. I'm making my notes here. In terms of, you've just brought up something that's extremely important to the future of this town and that is the Ziggler Reservoir and the emerging development of the Ice Age Discovery Center. Can you provide some comments on your thoughts on what the Ice Age Discovery Center should be and what it should not be and how you see some of the issues that you learned and I'm sure some don't share confidential information regarding the whole issue around the Ziggler. And then part of that question is how should the town of Snowmass village be involved in terms of the Ice Age Discovery Center? Yes, no or what have you? I think that the Ice Age Discovery Center, the archaeological, the find up there was an incredible opportunity and an incredible scientific thing. I don't believe that there's enough there to make snowmass a destination. I think it's another piece that snowmass can offer to its visitors, its guests, its locals, all of those kind of things. It's not, in my opinion, an organization unto itself that will, as I said, it adds something else to snowmass. And it should be presented as such. It's another of the many things that snowmass can offer to guests. Tom Gardemohn, my wife, worked at ACES when we were married. I've known Tom Gardemohn for a long time. I think he does an incredible job. I've spoken to him a couple of times at various events that he's organized and that they put on to try and get that going. So I think that as with Tom's leadership, I think that that's a really positive thing for the community. As far as access to Ziggler, I think that that's a difficult thing knowing the negotiations it took to get to the actual reservoir. As I understand, Tom can lead tours there currently, but no one else can. Tom is a huge resource and might have more success with the Zigglers than anyone else has. And so there's possibility for more access there than was envisioned when I was with SWSD. I think there was another part to that question that I forgot. Yeah, it was. To what extent should the town of Stomach Village be involved with the whole idea? I think that it's that in Oregon the TOSV needs to be involved to make it successful as hard as having a facility. If there's an opportunity for some sort of a tax, some sort of funding for it, similar to the historical society through the city of Aspen, some sort of funding for it, similar to the historical society through the city of Aspen. I think that's a city not a county thing I could be wrong in that on the historical society. But if there's an opportunity to fund it in that manner, from what I understand, museums are very difficult to, I think that it's easier to build the structures usually than to maintain them, the ongoing costs are extraordinary. And so, TOSV probably needs to be involved in keeping that whatever is eventually created going. Okay, thank you for that answer to the question. In order to be effective on the town council, one needs to build consensus positions. Can you provide an example of how you effectively worked with other board members in the past? Perhaps an example from the water ensuer experience. Right, that's my most recent experience, and so I do continue to refer back to that. I think that the getting SWSD to work much closer with the Snowmass Capital Creek Caucus. I was, um, intimately involved in. There was a very, um, confrontational, um, um, relationship there in the past. Um, and now I think that that relationship is improved greatly. I think that, um, in my opinion, it was always important to bring them in and keep them not necessarily take their side on all the issues that they have with protecting snowmast Creek, which is their obviously number one issue. But I always felt it was important and I think that the board came around to at least bring them to the table, except their information. You don't have to agree with all the information, but we should at least listen to the information, allow them to present the information, and then use it to help SWSD fulfill its mission. Thanks. Bill? Let's say, when setting regulatory policy as a town council member, which is more important, setting a flexible flexible less predictable process or a predictable less flexible one. That's a good question. All the above. I think that there's a need for both in certain circumstances. So I think that as a builder, for instance, I'm looking for predictability in the questions that the answers that I get to the questions that I ask. I don't think that you can write. I don't think that's worth the effort and the energy to write something that is so detailed that it's going to answer all the questions all the time. I don't think that's worth the effort and the energy to write something that is so detailed that it's going to answer all the questions all the time. I don't think that that's effective. I don't think it's really possible because there's too many variables. I think that the framework needs to be clear enough and the people that are answering the specific questions want to be able to predictably give answers. So there's certainty to the applicant whether it's a development question or a development is the one that comes to mind, of course, but there's lots of other regulatory issues that you want to be consistent on. So I would think that it's more important to be, to provide a framework that allows the person in the field or at the front desk or however we say it to give predictable answers as much as possible. You know, dog in your life as a ski racer and contractor and through your entire life in your career, you probably have had criticism or face criticism at some point. Being on council one of the areas that sometimes one takes personally is criticism. In your life how have you been able to handle criticism? Maybe you've never had it. Yeah, exactly. I've made a lot of mistakes. That's a tough, that's even more difficult than Bill's question. I think that I'm pretty thick-skinned. I don't take things personally. I think that, and I don't feel like, I don't feel like my ego is driven by my business and those kind of things I'm pretty comfortable who I am. And so criticism, I guess, is if it's constructive criticism, I feel like I can still learn in, certainly as a general contractor, I'm learning all the time. And so if it's constructive criticism, I guess I'd say I can take it and hopefully learn from it. As I say, I'm fairly thick-skinned and if it's criticism that I don't feel is warranted, I think I can just move on. Thank you for that answer because guess what, you're in the public eye. Why don't you sit up here? Okay, Bob. Okay. If you could make one change to snowmass village, what would it be? I guess I, well, I ran into Bill on the hill the other day and he said, are you going to prep for these questions? You want to know what the questions are gonna be? I should have thought about this one. One change for Snowmass Village. Snowmass is my home and my community. I am comfortable with Aspen, excuse me, Snowmass Village being a bedroom community to Aspen. And I don't think that's a bad thing for Snowmass Village. Snowmass Village started to snowmass at Aspen and so what could I change? I think that snowmass from my opinion is if it's okay for snowmass not to be the title. Aspen can be the title. Snowmass is an incredible asset for the area, for the community, for the ski areas, for all of the things that snowmasses ask, or excuse me, that snowmasses is. And so I'd say snowmasses needs to understand what it is in my mind. And as I say, snowmasses is an asset for the whole of Aspen, Pick and County area, and be comfortable with that, and not try and feel like it has to be the top billing. And so it's an attitude. And I'm not suggesting that this is, I don't even know if this is what I guess, changing stone mass, I don't know if I'm changing. No, no, I hear you. I think your answer, you're addressing the question. Being comfortable in what it is is what I'm hearing. And I'm not sure that that's a change is what I'm saying. No, no. You know, we have an aspiration statement. It's pretty, it's a pretty extensive challenge. And I think about that and I think about being comfortable in what we are and how the two things, how well the two things do or don't complement one another. Right. So thank you. It kind of goes back to the criticism. I'm pretty comfortable on who I am. And so the criticism, as I say, hopefully I can learn from it if it's constructive. Thanks. I have no more questions. Well, I have several for you, Doug. Okay. If you were to come on council and You heard that are that we were going to go into special meetings to accommodate various projects in her town And I'm not talking just base village To what extent are is your calendar flexible to allow that to occur and second of which Prep time for council is not just one hour. It takes many hours to prep for council. In terms of you thinking about the seat and applying for it, are you fully aware of what it takes to sit on council in your level commitment to what that requires. That's a very good question. As far as the flexibility, only my own business, I'm able to, the flexibility I don't believe is an issue for me, especially with, you know, a little bit of notice, which I'm sure that exists. The time commitment is an issue that I've struggled with to some extent. I am, you know, I do run a business. And so that's a question that I would ask back. What, you know, and I talked to Bill briefly about it over the weekend as well. What we think the time commitment is, how much time is there required to do a good job. I wouldn't want to be involved without spending the appropriate amount of time. You know, I continued to refer to the Snowmass Water and Centaitian District. That was a monthly meeting. And there wasn't, you know, there was maybe an hour of prep time or a little bit more. So it was quite a bit less time commitment, I believe. Then we're being asked here, the council people are asked to provide. So I believe that I am, well I guess I need to be comfortable with what we think that time commitment is. And so I'd ask that question. Well, so just let me, if you have feedback from having said on council for six years and now sitting here. We've got some pretty heavy agenda items coming and we all know base village is the elephant in the room. Right. In terms of last meeting and prepper for this one, I would I would garner to say and I, I looked at my fellow council members. I imagine they spend about four hours on each one of these packets and then going back and reviewing it again. Plus tonight's meeting will take us about six hours. That's a long meeting. Generally they're right around about four, three to four, particularly when we go into applications. If we go into every meeting, every week, you can see that's you start multiplying that. I'm not going to speak on behalf of council that will occur, but I can anticipate a request coming accordingly. So I just want you to know that it's not one hour prep and show up a meeting and you're done. Thank you. Slam back. Thank you, ma'am. It does, it does take time. Right. It takes commitment to doing the homework and doing the work. As I said, that's been my biggest hesitation to make sure that I'm comfortable with the time required. But I also said I wouldn't do it if I didn't feel like I could be effective and a participant that understood the information. That's very, very helpful. I've never worked with you on a board. And what I hear is the commitment and the passion that's extremely important to serve as a member of this council. I think I'm going to take a question, steal it from the mayor here who asked Tom good the same question. And that is, are you familiar with the green building practices? As a person in general construction, I would think so. But I'll ask the question, are you familiar with the Towns Green Building practices? I'm familiar with the Town of Soma Civilics Green Building process. What's your you know I mean familiar I think well the level of familiarity I think is the issue really because there's a huge spectrum there in my mind. Do I think that it's, I'm sorry, I should let you finish the question. Well, the question after you are familiar, the question is really what your opinion of them has to disadvantage, disadvantage, cost, increase, decrease. So please. I think I'm a full, I'm a big supporter of a green building practices, energy efficiency, those kind of things. I feel that spending the money up front is a great investment. I feel that a lot of developers won't spend the money unless they're forced. You know, we live in a community that has, that our guests and our owners have the resources to pay for those things if they're required to pay for those things. And I think that by having those processes, the market becomes better so that maybe it can trickle down to, you know, the rest of the state, the nation, everywhere. So I would, I'd be supportive of keeping green building practices and making sure that we're updating them appropriately to keep them at the cutting edge because communities like Aspen, Picken County, Snowmass Village should be leading those things because our constituents have the ability to pay for them and by making them happen, they become more cost effective across the board. Thanks. Thank you. Bill, would you have any more questions? We can come up with any? Okay. When you sit on council and you're asked by the public out there, what's your vision? You know, if you were running for election, you kind of have to have that platform. And it can't be, oh, just because I'm a good guy. What would you tell the community that you would stand for, what kind of your vision for the future of snowmass village? I think it goes back a little bit above circus's question. I think that the first vision is first snowmass to be comfortable with who we are or who I believe we are. That's my position. My vision is let's complete base village. I think it's incredible. It has to be completed at this point. Whatever level is the appropriate size. So my vision is to complete base village, work with the partners, the ski company, those things, to continue to make snowmasses, you know, what originally and what it always has been is, you know, an incredible ski area, family area, asset to the county and the city, the Aspen brand. I think that the festival model is a really good one. I think that the labor day festival is great. I think the things on the mall are great. I think snowmass can be a really good venue for those kind of things, the tough matter, bringing in big things like that. That snowmass has the ability to host those things and should be very proud of doing those kind of events. I think that, so my vision is to improve upon the things that are here, well, first of all, complete what is here and what is proposed, and then continue to improve upon those. And you have to react to the, you know, nobody knew about the ICH Discovery Center five years ago, right, those kind of things need to be promoted and continue to be well done. The other thing I guess I would say is to make sure that it's done at the level that our community requires. I don't think there's any reason to cheapen the brand. Thank you. Do you have any other questions? No, I'm good, thanks. Do you have some questions for us, Doug? Well, the question that we discussed was the time commitment one, and you sort of asked that. that we kind of discussed was the time commitment one and sort of asked that. You know, I don't, maybe it's lack of knowledge enough to ask the questions, but I don't, I don't think I have a whole lot of other questions at this point. I guess the other question would be, what is the term? I believe I'm filling in the rest of your term, right? And so, two years. And then there'd be a second part of that. You're gonna run in 2016. Right, and then it's a four-year term after that. Yeah, that's what works. So that's, right. Okay. So no, I don't have any additional questions. Would you be willing to run in 2016? I can't answer that at this time, Bill. Okay, are you? I'm good. Well, Doug, I truly appreciate you spending some time with us this evening. I've gotten to know you. I know your parents, but it's wonderful to finally meet the famous son whose pictures are adore their house. So, truly, I have enjoyed your time with us this evening. We will be making the decision on December 8th. I do hope your calendar is cleared. Our hope is, well, we will appoint the person that evening, and then we'll be moving into the swearing ceremony hopefully right after. So thank you so very much for your time. If you have some thoughts or questions, feel free to call any of us. Thank you. Sorry, major wait. That's fine. We got to go to the ladies room and minstroom. Okay, I'm going to let people do their little scoring here. We're going to take about a three minute break. And the next candidate this evening will be Jamie Nolt. And I think I see Jamie. Hi, Jamie. Jamie's in the bathroom. Give us a couple minutes, Jamie, and I'll call you up. Okay? you I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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And at the end, you can ask us a few questions as well, Zett. Okay, that's fair. Well, the first question is, can you tell us a little bit about who Jamie Holtman is? Oh, oh, goodness. Well, Billy's known me for a long time. I was born in Aspen a long time ago. I was born in Aspen a long time ago. It's not an attempt to mountain division skier. He was in the 48 Olympics. I tried to follow in his footsteps. Never made the Olympics. I was a ski coach. That's sort of how I know the Matt's and family. He used to coach Bill's really sister. And after ski racing, I decided to do something with my mind, not my body, so I went to law school, came a lawyer. And ended up practicing in Dent, went to school in Portland, Oregon. Ended up practicing for five years in Denver. Then I got invited to come up and do a development project called Oregon ended up practicing for five years in Denver. Then I got invited to come up and do a development project called the North 40 by John McBride. I spent five years as a project manager doing the application process through the Pick and County Land use code selling lots and also working as a general counsel for the ABC. After five years, then lots were sold. I went out on my own. I ended up being a co-exactive director for for legal services. The time is a local nonprofit that represented indigent clients in Aspen, Hicken County. After a couple of years of doing that, I decided we needed to, I underscored, I decided because it got me in trouble. I needed to combine with Roingford, you know, Garfield Legal Services because it provided a bigger pool of people we could help, which would allow us to get more money from our nonprofit funders. And that I wrote a lot of grants. So did a lot of that. Then I sort of had to convince the board that we needed to merge and we merged. And then they hired somebody from Chicago who was better, had more experience at running legal services. And then I went on my own and been practicing law ever since. I've been in Carbondale where I've earned in basalt, I've done a lot of land use planning. I've worked for both the town of basalt and the town of Carbondale helping review land use applications for big developments, small developments when they needed somebody from the outside. It was a great learning experience on how the public sector works. And yeah, I'm married to Gwen who has a restaurant on the mountain. I'm sure you all know. That's my one of my main ties. I've been married 17 years. It's part of my community involvement is being involved in that business for 17 years. I know it. I live and breathe it. I will up and down with it. So that's part of my attachment to this community. It's my home. I was born in Aspen. I moved to Snowmass about 10 years ago and Absolutely love it Mirror where Billy lives and I love the elk I love the coyotes I love the wildlife I love the nature And it's something that's part of my Part of my bones part of my DNA is this this valley this town and Now I get a chance to serve snowmats it's something that I've been looking forward and I'm not sure if looking forward to it because I know it's hard work. I know it takes a lot of time and it's going to subject us to me specifically for public, you know, review. What you know, I can handle it, but it's something I have to, I think you have to be ready for it. And I spent a lot of time when I was working with the North 40 and John McBride being involved in the community. And that's one of the issues that I know that is important is involvement in the community at least what I think not even though I'm not involved in a community group here in Snowmass I have been involved in the community there's lots of ways to serve the community. For five years I was on boards I was on the task force for the Aspen area community plan. I was on the Aspen Picking County Housing Authority Board. I was on the financial advisory board for the town of Aspen. I was president for two years. I was a member of the Aspen Valley Improvement Association, which was the first second home owner, nonprofit advisory board, I think in Pitkin County, started a long time ago by Edgar Stern, Paul Nitsa, people who were part of Aspen in the early days, and they created this nonprofit so that the second homeowners could help local communities with, we would fund reports and task force and help them make decisions. I don't think they were trying to influence decisions but they were trying to help the local governments make decisions. So, where I first encountered Dwight Schellman, who is probably the father of the Aspen Land Use Code, and pretty much modern, or at least our Valley's version of land use, and all the other things that come with that. It was a great mind. We were still living with the effects of what he helped institute and Aspen. So even though my involvement has been more with Aspen, it was very involved. I backed out and I have to say that I was a little honestly. I know that's part of the values of our town, direct and honest communication. I have to be honest. I was a little disenchanted with being involved because I never felt like to do things or things didn't go my way. I took 10 years off and now I feel like I, where I really want to be, is an counsel. I want to be involved in making decisions. I think I can bring something to the board that will balance this board. I think, at least that's my opinion. Thank you, Jamie. Bob Circus. Okay. Jamie. So what things frustrate you the most about municipal government? You've spent a lot of time, at least in Aspen Municipal Government. Can you give us an idea of what types of things frustrated you there? I think it was time. It was the time it took to get things done. And you give us an idea of what types of things frustrated you there. I think it was time. It was the time it took to get things done. I understand that's part of the process. I'm all for the process, all for community members piping in. I think it's very important that they have ownership. You're elected, hopefully. And I will, that would be my job is to be there representative but to you know sometimes we'd like to see more thing happen little quicker that was my yeah and yes okay thanks Bill Which of the previous community services are you most proud of? Most proud of. That is a good one. Or could be private sectors. I was proud of you know that I really worked hard on all of them where I was most effective. I was, you know, I was a boarded director of the Aspen ski club. I think helping that organization provides ski racing for local kids at that time in ARA was that was more by my most fulfilling being part of that because I grew up through that I was a ski racer ski coach, board of director. I like that. I think the other thing I enjoyed was you know the illegal services helping people. It was a pit, it was a job, it was a public sector, nonprofit and you know I think that's important in our community. I guess the other side of that was would be what what frustrated you most say with the North 40 project it was certainly kind of a new development provided a lot of employee housing to the community. What was your biggest frustration with that project? I met, oh boy, that was a good question. I invested a lot of time part in that one and I had to go. It was hard to let it go. That was the hard part. Yeah. Well, I have several that I'm going to limit my questions to one, Jamie. You've got a background in land use planning, land use code. You've represented municipalities. Now let's take your experience and let's bring it into snowmass village and you look at our process. Two weeks ago, or a week ago, two weeks ago we made a decision on base village and if you don't feel comfortable asking this or if you don't want to answer it, you don't have to. What within our land use code, if you probably do know what it looks like, what help might we be able to improve the land use code or you think we're right on in terms of our town? I haven't read the code that carefully. I have read parts of it. I know that it's pretty much in line with all the codes from Aspen to Carbondale. And I think the codes serve a very, very useful purpose. Okay. I think that it's part of how the town, the community, works with developers to, and I want to say hopefully in a partnership to create development or forward progress that where everybody wins. So I don't think that there's that much I would change right now, but again, I haven't really read it for the fine tooth calm. Well, let's just stay with a question for a minute, Jamie. Let me ask you the next part of a question that would come given your background as a lawyer, second of which is your knowledge of land use code may not be as skilled yet in snow mass village. Can you describe some of maybe one example of a negotiation that you had to do as dealing with land use, you representing a town of municipality, and a developer, and how did you create the win-win situation? How to create a win-win situation? Compromise. I think there's always compromise. The one example I can think of is although I may not have thought at the time was the right way to go. It ended up being a compromise that was acceptable and maybe illustrative for town of snowmass purposes. Final approval for the North 40 were in front of town council, I mean, Hicken County, Mac Ireland, everything had been approved. Just followed everything to the tee. Followed the guidelines, came in last minute. They decided they were gonna tack on another mitigation. We had to pay half the tap fees. All of this, and it was, it was, it was, it came out of the blue. We had, we sat around and we decided, we had no choice. That was, you know, being able to deal with that from a developer's point. That was important. I think it was also illustrative of somehow how a political body can, you know, exert pressure or maybe not need be. I'm not sure if that's a win-win situation, but a win-win situation for me would be to maintain the dialogue. I think, you know, right now, base village, it's, I have this get or done. And dialogue is important and I cannot think that that dialogue can't come up with a good project. It's worthy of snowmass. Thank you very much. Well. Thanks, Marky. At some point in your career, you most likely have, it had a situation where you strongly disagreed with a colleague about an issue that you felt was very important. How did you work through the disagreement when that happened. So I'm an Aries, so I'm strong headed. So it's not unusual that I may not get in the situation like that. And how I resolve it, first of all, if I'm on a board, I would look to other people to help me. I want to start off with a friendship and acceptance of who I am and what I have to offer as I would to start off with a friendship and acceptance of who I am and what I have to offer as I would to them. I mean, it's a mutual thing. And to create a mutual respect, it just, I think it takes time. I think it takes talking. I think it's, you know, I don't know, just going skiing. If it's having a drink, developing a friendship so you can be honest and being able to take that critique. So it's half of it is on me to be willing to see that I've made a mistake. And I, I know I have, and I've had to own up. I do it constantly, but I'm not afraid of it. I think it's good. I think it's how we grow. I think it's how we change. I hope that afraid of it. I think it's good. I think that's how we grow. I think it's how we change. I hope that answers your question. It does. Thank you. Selected. What are the top two priorities you would like to have the town council focus on in the next two years? Next two years. Well, I'm not sure if I really have a choice, but I definitely think the base village is number one. I think we have to do something about base village. Number two, I think down the road where we have to deal with the entrance. And I know that there's some discussion about that. I look forward to that. This sort of ties into something that I believe in. You should know about in that community. And community is people actively be involved. And I think that the people who are involved in the ice rink are actively involved. They are community members. That's what builds community. So they have to be involved. I think the community has to be involved, whatever we do in that area. And I'm going to add another third is my goal, if you don't mind, you said two. Can I add another one? Please, yeah. So in the 80s, the Snowmass town council had a reputation where they worked really hard, got along, got a lot done. I was in the 80s. I'm trying to read the, I mean, I know it was tipIPIT and I think Hooker, but I, you know, I office with Dave Miler and he was saying, that was a time when we really did a lot. We got things done, everybody was on the same page. That's my third dream, front of us, Jamie, as you articulated was base village. What which might require every one of us, if we're on that path of what happened back in the 80s, which I applaud all people that worked back then to make things happen. That may require some extra time, extra meetings, and a lot more internal discussion with staff and what have you. The question becomes one of commitment to making that happen if that's something that's extremely important to you. Is that jive with what your thinking might be? Oh, yeah. You know, preparing for this 20 minute, half hour, spent all weekend reading past minutes, going over the budget, looking at the past surveys, articles, talking to people, trying to figure out what those tough questions are gonna be, how I would respond. I spend a lot of time. I mean, I will work as much as it takes to get the job and do it well. I am, I have my own off practice, so there will be times where I don't want to expect this going to be six hours every night, where it is much. But right now I know coming up this summer there's going to be a lot of work so that's one of the reasons I'm here. Got your sleeves rolled up and ready to roll. Okay. Okay. Well, this is a question that I don't know. I've actually given this question a lot of thought in how I would answer this. And I'm still not sure. So this is a question. What type of risk is it appropriate for a municipal government to take? As much risk as your attorney advises you to take. Great answer. Very good. Very good answer. I'm free all day. It's up to him. Well that was a good one. I think they actually melcalled me an ultra conservative one point in the newspapers. Probably more than once. Yes. Do you see where you see circumstances where a council as the representatives of the government, municipal government, accepting some amount of risk. And if so, what kind of situation might that occur to you? I hope I don't do anything wrong here. So reading the minutes, there's a, I don't know if I can do this, so I need to stop me. There's a, there is a decision before the board, town council, on whether or not they should disclose a mistake in application for a bond. Okay, and so the question is, is do we risk the statute of, you know, waiting it out for the statute of limitations to expire? I'm all for letting the statute of limitations expire. Okay, that's a risk I would be willing to take. OK. That's a good example, by the way. Yeah. I thought about it. It got my eye when I was reading it. What would you, if you had ultimate control over the base village, what would be your ultimate public purpose facility be? The ultimate public purpose facility. I don't know. I have to be honest. I don't know. I'm a little confused by that whole thing in the first place, whether it's a Aquatic Center or a swimming pool. I do know that, you know, I like the idea that there's a night's shrink downtown. I like in the community. I like that we have the ICE Discovery Center, which is our version of sort of ACES, as far as I can tell, especially with Corm Cardamon leading that. I think that's great. Those are amenities that I think would draw people. You know, the little bowling alley underneath, that is a fun little place. I wish it was a little bigger. I know that that's becoming a little bit more current. The public facilities I'd almost want the developer to come to come with proposals. And then I would like to put them up on the board and have the community come and rate them rather than me deciding what is the most popular public community, the public community, I assume this is the public community for the people that are going to be renting and living in that area. And that's the best answer I can do. Okay. Jamie, this deals with something that has probably been something you've experienced before and that is criticism, setting on a board, setting in a public eye. I'll have you dealt with criticism and how have you moved forward? And you know, newspapers, not that they're here, I think they're gone, but newspapers can be what I say all the time. It's a bird cage liner tomorrow, but criticism can come to any public official and we all need to wear the thick skin and take it. So how have you dealt with criticism in the past and how have you moved forward, particularly if it's focused right at you? Well, if it's any consolation, I get it all the time for my wife. And I wouldn't believe that. And she's so sweet. And I take everything she says, you know, I consider it and evaluate it. And if she's right, I say yes. It's not I figure a way to do it. I'll have to say if, you know, I can deal do it. I'll have to say if you know I can deal with it. I'm not thick skinned. I can't say that I'm not. It's not going to affect me. I think that it's important. I think if you're elected official you're going to make a decision and it's going to please some people, it's going to displease other people. So you're going to, there's almost a no-win situation. But I'm comfortable with the idea that I'm going to make it, you know, my job is to represent the town and what's best for the town into the future. And if it's valid, great, I welcome it. I don't want to stand still, I don't want to stand still. I don't want to not grow. And I could use a lot of help. I think that the fact that I'm even doing this, stepping up and being in a public official means I'm ready for that. And I will learn. Again, I'll go back to this question. If I'm on council, I'm going to look to you guys to help me too. Did you have the experience? Thank you. Mr. Circus? I'm OK. I'm good. Bill? I'm good. We have a few minutes left. I'm going to ask you one other question, and it gets into the notion of trust. Important in sitting on council is learning to trust your fellow colleagues. Decisions may be made that you may not support, but at the end of the day, when we walk out of a council meeting or out of an executive meeting, I'm a believer we have to be united in that decision. And you have to trust the decisions that were made. Can you talk about this trust come easy or hard for you? And if you're not excited about the result, how do you deal with living forward and getting a decent night's sleep afterwards? Oh boy, okay. the next day. I think it's a very good moment to be able to sleep. I think it's a very good moment to be able to sleep afterwards. Well, I think as long as the diverse opinions are aired by the council, so everybody gets to hear the different sides and they get to make a decision based on hearing all this stuff. I think I'm willing to go with the Democratic vote. The trust issue is I just want the council to be smart. And however we do that, it's fine to make the right decisions. I don't want it to be, you know, seeing as something that can be taken advantage of. And the only way you can do that is teamwork. It is. It's who we work together. And I'm all for that. Again, if it's if I'm wrong, then I'll or if I don't agree then and that's the decision that we should be united and I will go with that. It's not necessarily I won't make my opinion heard, not try to lobby or advocate for what I believe is right. But a lot of mine is what's best for the town. So that I can forego any ego issues on that ground. Thank you, Jamie. Do either of you have any other questions? No. Do you have some questions for us Jamie? Not really no, I think you guys are good you're elected you're going through the process You know the staff is good. You got a good, you got a good pool of people to pick from. I think it's great so you can pick somebody that's going to fit what you think is going to fit into this fit into this mark of into the dynamic of this council. I'm surprised that Chris isn't here. I don't know why, because I met him doing PT. So I definitely wanted to talk to him and relate to him, because I think that would be important for the setting up a dynamic for moving forward. So I know I just, you know, I think you're how manager said. Choose wisely. Thank you so very much, Jamie. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. I appreciate your time and all your preparation. OK, three minutes. And our next candidate, I think I saw Darrell in the back. I don't have my glasses on, Darrell's in the back of the room. Okay. Little break, three minutes. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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It's OK. It's OK. We got it. Darrell, thank you so very much for joining us this evening and for your application. Well, you're welcome. It's nice to be here. You know, to sit, we're trying to find the best qualified individual and the person to fit the bill for this additional seat. I understand. As you know, we've got great candidates. In fact, it's a very impressive pool. So thank you for your application. The way we work it is around robbing kind of questions. We'll spend about 25 minutes on questions and then five minutes for you to ask questions. And there you go. So the first question would be, and this is kind of the icebreaker. Tell us a little bit about Darryl Grove. Oh my. You can be brief. Brief? Oh yeah. It's very difficult for me to be brief. Actually, I came to the Roindfort Valley from LA, the Barrio in 75, worked construction for the next 20 years until I became the fire chief with the Aspen Fire Protection District in 95. Over the next 16 years, I did a strategic plan identified, designed and built our four fire stations, updated the fleet, and improved our organizational structure, and retired from that position in 2011. I discovered that retirement is not all it's cracked up to be, even with HBO. So I went out to the school district, I began to drive a school bus several months ago, Sheriff DeSalvo and the emergency management coordinator called me in and asked me to join the county in developing and implementing a county-wide wildfire mitigation program. And that's been my focus now for the past several months. In 2012, I ran for county commissioner. I believe I came in third. And again, in 2014, I ran for town council and lost by a handful of votes. So when the opportunity arose this time around, especially I think in light of my perception of the improved vitality and cooperation at the council level, I've decided to investigate that interest again. I'm going to go to Bill first. We're going to do it this way. Okay. Mix it up. Good idea. Why didn't you run in the November election? The activity that I saw on the council over the previous couple of years exhibited a dynamic that I really couldn't identify with. And I decided that I would wait this one out and see what the evolution might take place. And under those circumstances then consider the option. So, now what in your opinion is the primary role of the council is policy. They have very talented and competent staff in terms of actually implementation and running and maintenance of the community. But in my opinion, the council are the ones who set the theme for that community. And in the light of the issues and the applications that come before the town. It is the council's responsibility to accept the presentations and evaluate those presentations and on the behalf of the neighborhoods and the enterprise try to arrive at appropriate implementation and direct staff to make that happen. And just as a follow up to that, how would you contribute to that role? I'm objective. I'm very rational. I'm a fiscal conservative going way back. I tend to not allow myself to listen with any preconceived notions, although I might harbor them, but I really do make an effort to examine all of the available material on a given issue and then allow my ethics and my morality to lead me to a decision. Thank you. So, Darryl, I don't know if you have followed the last meeting with council, but I wish which one before that when we all received it. I guess not, it was the last meeting. Or time flies when you're having so much fun. When you, I don't know, you need to tell us if you happen to have watched the last council meeting or are familiar with the packet, read the packet for tonight. In general, yes. Okay, so my question for you, you talk about you didn't run in 2014, which I clearly respect. Now you're interested, you see who's sitting on council. How would you describe in your observations of this team sitting here after our first meeting or what you've even observed so far tonight? Why do you want to put your hat in the ring here? My sense is that there is an effort to clean the slate that with the Crablunic work that has been done to move that along with the approach that's been taken regarding the base village applications. My sense is that the Council's idea is to clean the slate so that we can get to work. And I believe that I could contribute to that get to work effort. You know, having said on council for a little piece of my life now, there are times when there will be significant disagreement. May probably publicly and some an executive session for issues that cannot be discussed in front of the public. There's a variety of those issues. When you walk out of those rooms and there's still disagreement, how do you see yourself following the will of the decision if you were a strong disagreement. Because I believe in process. That process may go in a direction that I may not personally agree with, but I believe in the fundamental which is the process. And when that process has been properly exercised and a decision has been reached, I will abide by that. Okay, that's very, very important. Bill. I'd like to ask you the same question as Jamie, if you had a magic wand and could put any public purpose facility in the base village what would it be? In base village itself or in the community in the base village. I think when we experienced the episode this summer of the mutters, that to me was one of the most exciting events that I had attended in the village for quite some time. And the facilities and the support and the ability to bring a group of that nature with that high energy and excitement to the activity that they brought to the community. I would work to include being able to field and that you would enjoy about working with colleagues on a board? This is my home, my wife and daughter, and I live here and will continue to live here for some time. And what I would enjoy would be the opportunity to participate in the activities that are shaping the future of my home. Okay. Um, I don't know how to do shorthand. Okay, here goes. You know, I want to harken back on some experiences that I've had. There are times when people sitting on counts will say, well, I've talked with several people. Well several people can be more than one. And that begins to form a community opinion and enter in decisions made by council, individual council members. What do you feel is from your experience serving on an Aspen on the fire district and your work now on the wildfire mitigation. How much public dialogue and community engagement do we need to engage in for governance decisions? Is there too little too much? You're asking me for a rating? Yeah. So let me give you an example. Okay. Let's go into Criblinic. It's on the agenda later tonight. And you hear there are some petition and you get on your town council. You may know if you get all the names on these petitions. And then you have the public to come. Some positive, some negative. With something as volatile as what has occurred over this last six months a year, I can't even remember how long it's been but it's not been always a lot of fun. And you and you're sitting here on council and you've got to make a decision. How much is too much and how much is too little and how do you form how you're going to set policy on an issue? I would probably tend to filter the public opinion that came in my direction based on objective and subjective. That's my nature. I am willing to listen to people's heartfelt feelings about a given issue, but in the final analysis and I use the word analysis underscored, I would be looking for a council action that would correct the difficulties that were observed and correct them in an objective, proactive fashion and tend to move in that direction. Good turn, go. Tell us, which community service are you most proud of? We're coming off Veterans Day. I'm a vet. And I'm the founder of the War and Fort Valley Veterans History Project. And that's a program that has placed interviews and videos of 47 veterans in the War and Fork Valley in the Library of Congress. And that experience for those veterans has been changing their lives. Because up until that moment, many of them had never disclosed some of their innermost BTSDs. And those episodes continued to move me, and I am most proud of that effort along with Colonel Merritt and the Tenth Mountain people. Nice, nice job. What's the single biggest area of opportunity for for snowmass. Enterprise. The town of snowmass village exists by virtue of enterprise initially. That's what brought us into existence back in the 60s. And I think looking at the credentials of some of the enterprise opportunities that have come our way, not just the ski company and not just related, but the Western world class organization is a typical example of some of the efforts that are trying to move in our direction. And I believe that if we can coordinate their enterprise efforts with our neighborhood and community efforts, that the opportunities are huge, which is one of the reasons that I've step forward. By enterprise you mean economic yes Ultimately it takes a successful business plan that Marries up with a community effort that will create success. Just to tag on to that question, Darryl. What is your vision for Snowmass Village? You're sitting on council. You've got to have some vision. It's more than just base village. More than just base village. Yeah, you know, get it done or that's what you might say. Well, the community has spoken about, we need to get it done. Yes, it has to be a right process. But what other is your vision of this town? You know, if you look beyond the core, and you think about Sky Mountain Park, and the effort that has gone in there. I've worked with those people recently in terms of their efforts up there. We have the opportunity to create a world-class hub that will enable people from everywhere to visit with us and get out into the Rocky Mountains in one form or another. And that includes attending a rodeo or ice skating or meeting with the rest of the community down at a community recreation center, mountain biking opportunities, hiking and camping opportunities. I think that we could exist on a year round basis with a huge opportunity to experience the western slope of the Rocky Mountains. Thank you. We have about five minutes left. Bill, do you have another question you want to pose? I'm going to go ahead and ask questions of us, if you'd like. Do you have any more? Okay, your turn. The interesting question was, okay, why not in 2014? And then why now? And my question to you was, I brought this concept forward about my impression of a clean slate opportunity that would then enable some serious progress to be made. Am I in the ballpark? progress to be made. Am I in the ballpark? I think the voters have, I think the voters tend to have agreed with you. But from my perspective, you could have been here instead of one of us and it would have been a clean slate. Do you think that it's an appropriate term to apply to your last two sessions? Last two what you do? Your council sessions with the activities about related and with the Criblinic issues. Do you think that you're bringing a fresh approach and a cohesive a team work-based approach to the town of Stomach Village with the new population? Yeah, I'm the carryover. Yeah I'm the old woman up here and more ways than one. But let me tell you from my experience the last few years on council have not been the most fun. For anyone, it doesn't matter which side you said it did. It just plain didn't matter. We are where we are today because a community has spoken to us. I will tell you I've really enjoyed working with Bill, with Bob and to Chris who is not here tonight. In fact, I'm very much enthused about the progress that we've already worked through on some tough issues already. And we hardly even have gotten to know each other in terms of that working dynamic. But I will tell you what I will share with you when I have called my fellow colleagues, they have very, very interested in the conversation about an issue. Number two is, they always take the phone call, which is extremely important. Everyone has been very willing to listen to another one, one another compromise. Yeah, that's a good idea. No, what happens if we do this? And as you begin to have those dialogues, and yes, it's only the second council meeting, but there's a lot of issues that have come forth already. I will tell you it has been an absolute privilege of talking with Bill, Ambaab and Chris. And I can't underscore that enough. One of the major ingredients that we have at our town now is Clint. He's a great town manager. You're doing a great job. I'm a wallet. You're gonna see God of power. Jesus. His communication style. It's fine. Yeah. This is your performance evaluation after two months. No, I've been very, very pleased. I know what we went through to get Clint here and I applaud his work and I applaud my other council. So yes, it is a clean slate. We're working together. We're working hard. You got to let past up go. Indeed. And let me just close with this. Regardless of the outcome for me personally, I truly wish you the best. Because my sense is that there is definite movement in the right direction in my opinion. And I congratulate you on that. And if I can be of assistance let me know. Thank you very much Darrell. Thank you Darrell. Thank you. Okay we're going to take a couple minutes to fill out our comments. Good evening, Mr. Borkin. You're ready to go. Good evening, Mr. Borkin. You're already good to see you. Good evening, Madam Mayor. It's good to see you. Good evening, Council Members. It's good to see both of you. Unfortunately, it would have been good to see Councilman Jacobson, but that does happen. It does happen. Well, Arnie, you've heard kind of the questions. Everyone's a little bit different. But firstly, why don't you just tell us a little bit about Arnie Morgan? Not that we don't know. Right. I'm an attorney. I've practiced law here in Snowmass Village continuously since 1995, which is the time we moved here permanently. Actually, the practice started in 1996 because that's when I got admitted here in Colorado. I've been admitted to California for much longer than that. I've had the opportunity to serve as a judge in California and also as an arbitrator and mediator, both there and not haven't done that much work here. My practice generally was in the area, and it still is, in the area of criminal law. I had the opportunity to be the chief prosecutor for Pitkin County. It was one of three chief deputies, I guess it is, with chief deputy, chief deputies. District Attorney from 2008 to January of 2013. I served on council, first of all I served on planning commission from I believe it's 1998 to 2000 was elected to two terms of council and was appointed to one two year term on council. So my total period on council was 10 years. Very innimidily involved in the Timbers Club approvals and obviously in the base village approvals. Okay, that's a little bit about me. There's presidents and members of organizations throughout, I'm old so you see I've got a lot of history but throughout that entire period of time both here in Colorado and in California. Thank you. I'm going to turn to Bill for first question. All right, Arnie, of all the responsibilities of town government, which function is most critical? Well, I think that the function of council is the most critical, at least in terms of where the government goes. I think one of the most critical functions of any governmental agency is to keep the peace and to provide for the general welfare of the community, whatever that community is. But it's critical for Council to act in, I want to say, an appropriate manner, but a council really, generally speaking, acts appropriately. You may not agree with it, but the actions of council are appropriate. And so I think that's basically the most critical part of the citizenry's portion of the town government. Obviously we are a town manager form of government. So unlike for example Denver which has a mirror form of government. The mayor doesn't get to do a heck of a lot. Right. Well it's not really just ceremony. I know that. But government itself kind of runs itself. That's what the town manager does, that's what the town attorney does, that's what the chief of police does, the head of the finance department, etc. But in terms of the citizenry of the community, council's position is the most important. I think. Okay. I'm going to take that maybe another step further, Arnie. And you say that because we have a town manager, we have department heads. Government runs itself to some extent. How well do you think the snowmage village government is functioning? Very well. Okay. I think snowmage village government, especially very well. Okay. I think snowmage village government especially now and I I don't have I mean I you know find a new contract with you right now, Clampett, it doesn't matter I don't have any power to do that But I think I think it does run very very well Let me give you an example The the police department is one of the departments that interfaces with the citizenry, all sorts of issues. Brian Olson is a heck of a police chief. Our previous police chief was a heck of a police chief. We have a, I don't want to say an ethic, but we have the snowmast village, if you will, way of doing things. And that's different than Los Angeles or Chicago or even Aspen. And we want it that way. It's important for us to have this community-based activity. The road department. There's another good example. It's snow's in snowmass village and if you drive the main road for the most part you wouldn't even know it was snowing even though it's coming down cats and dogs. You can go to Aspen and slide on the road three weeks after it stops snowing. For me, that's not very good. The way we do it is better. They think it's good. I don't, you know, who am I to say? I don't live there. I don't like them telling me what's going on here and I like to tell them what's going on there. But I like what we do. Thanks. So, Arnie, you were here through all of the years of the vote for base village. You set on town council. Yes. You set on the planning commission. And we are where we are now. OK, I guess you can throw up brick that now. Sorry. I apologize. If you could do that thing called wood a coda should have. And you played that game thing called, would it could have should have? And you played that game where you thought about it, and I know there are nights when you probably lost sleep singing. I wish I would have done or I should have done blah, blah, blah. What in your experience of looking backwards would you say I wish I would have and showed him? A couple of things. One of which I actually did propose. I proposed to my fellow council people as we were proceeding through this. The idea that we ought to figure out some way to make sure that what we just approved got done in a timely fashion. Because it, and as far as I was concerned, it was better to have a parking lot over there than a hole on the ground, or rebar sticking out, because at least it was a parking lot you could park in it. And that got shot down. Well, it never happened. You can't do that. We never did it before. No one's ever done it before. My experience tells me people have done it before, especially in the big cities. There are assurances that you can get. The second thing I think that, to some extent, we did, but it got reversed by council, is I, a lot of the approvals that were granted were based upon certain assumptions, for example, the approval that was granted in order to diminish the parking and diminish the employee housing requirements to modify them to some extent was based upon the fact that this was supposed to be a centralized operation. When SkiCo and Inter-West came to us, the plan was, everything was going to be done centralized. They were going to have a centralized check-in office. They were going to have centralized laundry, transportation, all of that. And there was, of course, the famous statement. We're in it for the long run. And we bought it. Well, it became decentralized, but the modifications, the approvals had been granted. You can't take them back. And so I guess if I had it to do over again, I would have done something like we did do in the Western Hotel. And I mean the first Western Hotel. Remember, there were two Western Hotels. One was supposed to be where the vice-roy is. And we're supposed to be a Western. Let's see, what was it, a Western? And I can't remember the other two, but shirt and a high. Wasn't it? A high. Yeah, the next one. In other words, it was supposed to be a major hotel. And it was rationale behind that. It was that, gee, if you have a major hotel, well, one of the things that happened, by the way, let me get it on the side. One of the things that happened is we expanded and the property tax. So we, the citizens of Snowmass Village, and I don't mean real property tax, but the tax, in this case, it was the sales tax. So the citizens of Snowmass Village should go out and actively get people to come here. We could advertise, we could have group sales. We could do those things. We could have group sales. We could do those things. We could have events. So we created the marketing special events and group sales board. And I was material in doing that. When you have the Western hotel, you have a group of people, millions of people who you, if for one of a better word, you don't pay for it. The West and pays for it. It has developed this tremendous mailing list, if you will, a tremendous following. People want to come to a West and, boy, people really, or to a higher. People really do want to come to Snowmass village or ask them for that purpose. And so when we approved the Viceroy Hotel, we said it has to be one of those three. Now thereafter, Council was convinced, I don't mean Viceroy, but the hotel idea, it had to be one of those three. Council was convinced later on and voted to change that from one of those, the Weston. And if you look at the hotel, the Weston occupies, the vice-or-occupies, you'd say, gee, that looks like a Weston hotel. That's because that's what it was designed to be. That's the way it's supposed to look. So I'm not sure where I've left off on the question. The wood could have should have. Yeah, must have, must have answered it by now. Okay, Bill. What is it that you enjoy about working with colleagues on a board? Just the word that you said, colleagues, I enjoy having a give and take of ideas. I kind of spent my life doing that. And I respect people that don't agree with me. I think that's great. You know, I frankly wouldn't want to work with a whole bunch of people that thought the same way I did, because you don't grow. And that's what I respect. And so the collegiality, not necessarily we're all buddy buddy and we're going to link arms and sing k information passing. And I have a tremendous respect for folks who stick their neck out, run for election, even more respect for those that get elected, but who stick their neck out and say, this is me, I'm willing to, you know, come up and say what I am and let the chips fall where they may. So I have a tremendous respect for all of you who have done that and who have been elected. What communication style works the best for you and what communication style do you like to use when communicating? I like to communicate. Yes, I don't do it very much in the sense of an exchange of ideas. For me, that doesn't serve a purpose. I hate text messaging. That's even worse. I like to speak with people because I not only want to hear the words they're saying I want to hear how they're saying them I want to look at them and I want to get the impression from them. I think it's very important And you know some people call it well listening Yeah, it's listening, but it's listening with all your senses. It's not just listening with your ears I had people especially because I used to be a lot more brash than I am now, if that's possible. When I was on council, initially, certainly, they said, well, you're not listening to me. And I would respond, I'm listening to you. I just don't agree with you. The fact that I'm listening doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to agree. But I like to listen. And I like to express my views to the people who are also listening. They may or may not be accepted. But that's the style that I prefer. I prefer a verbal style. And I have, let me just make sure that I get this point across too. I have grown to the point of understanding that hollering doesn't necessarily do us any good. Thanks. So Arnie. Yes. Let's talk a little bit about how one would build consensus. Your background arbitration, mediation, DA, all those skill sets that you've garnered over the years. And you look at the previous council and we've had a few conversations about it. What could you have brought or what could you have done if you would have been a counsel person? Wow. If I would have been a counsel person. Let me tell you where the mediator. Yeah. Okay. I think the most important point is that you can't get your ego involved in it. And it depends on what you mean by consensus. Sometimes people think of consensus as well we've all got to agree. And if that's what we have to do, it disregards the process, the political process, because the political process is such that we each of us have constituency. We represent that constituency. And we all like to believe that it's the entire town of Snowmass Village and all of its citizens, but we all know, I think we're all adult enough to know that that just isn't true. We represent a segment of that community. And that segment may be at odds with another segment. So we don't always all agree. And that's okay. And I think you have to get to that point. I think you have to get to the point of saying, I don't have to agree with that person. I just have to respect them. I have to respect that they are representing their constituency. And I think that's what went on. I think where council kind of got lost in the woods is that it was more important to be right than to say, OK, I understand where you're coming from. You understand where I'm coming from, the processes we now take a vote and whatever vote prevails, prevails. Now what's the next issue we got to deal with? I would have engaged in a better dialogue on one and one with some of the antagonistic positions that other members of council took, there's always something we can agree on. Be it apapai and motherhood and the flag. I mean, there's some place you can agree. It's an arbitrator, as a mediator, we learn, we taught that that's what you do. Where can we agree? OK, we can agree on that fact, right? OK, now where are we not agreeing? OK, well, it's on this fact. How do we arrive at some other place? And to do that, you have to let go of your ego and you have to say, okay, let's figure out a solution that we can all agree on if that's what we're trying to do, or that we can respect that we don't agree. And I think that somehow went awry. I remember early in my council days, we were kind of at each other a bit. And we had this retreat. And it's just talked about these issues and had some facilitator come in and make a presentation. I don't even remember who it was. But it was meaningful. And it helped me certainly understand some of the dynamic that went on and helped me really get through the base village issues. We didn't always agree. I mean, they were a lot of stuff we didn't agree on. But when we got through what we did agree on is the vote was the vote, and we were going to go ahead with it. That's where it ended up, and that's where we were going to go. And I think that was important, and it was important in the election. You know, if we would have been divided, and everybody would run around and say, well, I didn't go for that. That's no good. Buh, buh, buh. You know, we just stalemated. And that's not good. I think. Thank you for that answer, Bill. Arnie, what's your vision for the entry way and the rodeo? I want to be very careful here because I am cognizant of the fact that stating a position and then should I be chosen to be a counsel person and having that come before me would be a problem or could be a problem. I don't want that to happen. But I think that I can say this. And I'm saying it as a person who was very innately involved in the rodeo. I mean, I don't ice skate. I never towards a very good at it, and I certainly don't try now. But I think that's an important amenity. I think the rodeo is an important amenity. But those are just two little pieces of an entire picture, in my opinion. You've got this tremendous piece of land down there that when you drive into the village, you just see, and there is this whole village in front of you. What a magnificent thing this to observe. So to put up a whole bunch of buildings that are going to somehow take away from that, I think is a mistake. We saw some of that before. But also it's a mistake to take that tremendous piece of land and use it for just a few months a year for one or two purposes. I think there are lots of purposes that can be used for. I think a multi-purpose facility in some manner constructed down there would be a great idea. What's the matter with concerts? They used to be concerts down there. I was at the last John Denver concert and it was held right in that arena. Last John Denver concert in this area held right in that arena. Yeah, it was a deaf camp concert. Why don't we do that? Why can't we have an ice skating rink? Why can't we have a rodeo? Why can't we do that? Why can't we have an ice skating rink? Why can't we have a rodeo? Why can't we have other concerts and meeting rooms and so forth? I think we can do all of those things down there. We just have to plan it well. Does that answer your question? How about to the physical entry? Have you seen a plan that you could get behind? I don't recall a plan for the physical entry, you know, the way it will look, except for some of the stuff that we, and I was at the meetings, at least one, I may have been both two meetings of the meetings for the entryway. I don't recall a particular physical plan that I say, wow, that's a great thing. There's a whole bunch of problems to deal with. There's the wetlands to deal with. There's the roundabout. You got to make sure wayfinding is very, very important. You have the facility issue. You may have to move the road. You have dollars and cents issues that you have to deal with. So I can't recall a particular plan that I'd say wow that's that's the be all an end all but I may not have seen all of them Any You know in your application you Remind us that you were on council when base village was going through and and and provost were made and you have this intellectual history of what happened. And I my question is how will the reasons behind the actions taken on base village and the discussions associated with it? How will that be useful for this council if you should be appointed to join us? Yeah, the institutional memory issue, I think, can be very important. And I raised one of them already, and that was the whole concept of making sure, or trying to make sure, that what you have approved gets built, and why you approved it, stays the same. And you know, what it could have showed. So I think that's part of it. And I think that understanding, what is it that the people who continue to do the same thing over and over again, that's the definition of insanity? We're looking for a different conclusion. Right. It's not going to be different. If you do the same things, you're going to get the same result. Now, you may like that result, and that's okay. Well, you may not. But in, you know, history, I don't know whether you'd say it repeats itself, but you have to, you know, kid, to ask, well, why do I have to learn history? It's because you don't want to do the same thing that that guy did. Or maybe you do want to do it that way. So I think institutional memory is very, very important. Now of course when you're my age, that memory fails now. But that's why we write stuff down. That's another story. Right, that's a whole other issue when you talk about. But it can be helpful. It can be helpful. Because now you have another application that comes before you and that application may want to modify some of the approvals that have been presented. Well, if you don't know why those approvals were done in that manner, I'm not sure you don't miss the reason not to do what is being asked of you or perhaps the reason to do what's being asked of you and so that's that's why I think institutional memory is important but it's not the be all an end all it just happens to be something I throw in. Okay well it differentiates you so yes it does I mean I think that that's's true except for Bob with whom I spoke last night. And he was on council when base village was approved too. Although he didn't stay on all the way through the approvals, but he was in a medley involved clearly. really. We have only two candidates that have that. I suspect if I may add another point on my side, if you will. I know the staff. I know except for very few people that are currently on the staff, I've worked with these folks. I have a tremendous respect for the staff and frankly, I have a tremendous respect for the people that have replaced those people on staff. At least those who I've met, especially are sound managers. Thanks. Not the town of turning though. It was too intimately involved in having his activity. So let's stay on the theme of Base Village, yes. Yes. I'm sorry for two seconds. Last meeting, sketch preliminary. Right. What in your experience is accomplished and sketch versus preliminary. I think that's important to understand. And interestingly enough, Bob and I talked about this last night because we don't agree necessarily on that specific issue. In sketch, you have an opportunity to give and take, much more so than you do when you go to preliminary plan. Once you've approved sketch, you've approved the outline. And yes, it's absolutely true that in preliminary plan, you have the right to make modifications and changes. And it's really not written in stone. It's just written in wet concrete. And you learn that because what happens is, well, did you prove this in the preliminary plan? In sketch plan, we talked about it in sketch plan. You said it was OK. Now you say it's not OK. And the first thing that happens to a counsel person, at least what happened to me, was I start to say, well, gee, I guess they're right. But what I thought about then is not the same as I'm thinking about now. And so it's very important, I think, to be in Sketch plan and deal with the preliminary concepts involved. And that's especially true, in my opinion, on the community purpose issue. We saw, and as you all know, I've been attending council meetings now almost continuously since the mid-summer. Well, I think it was last winter, last fall when approvals had been made to modify base village in terms of who can occupy certain buildings, et cetera. community purpose is defined by the code. It's not just Willie Niley, what do you think? It's okay. Right. There's some very specific definitions to community purpose and requirements of and of a developer to have community purpose. A community purpose was offered initially by a developer that was never discussed. I was just like, where did you come up with that? Who said that was a community purpose? In Sketch plan, you have an opportunity to say, exactly what I just did. Who asked you for that? That's not a community purpose or, well, that's not as interesting. If we could hear, if we could get there, maybe it could be a community purpose. You got a double dose of that last week because not only did you get a comment about, well, we were going to do this and I didn't work out. You also got a comment about how we're going to do this. And I looked at your faces and maybe I read it wrong, but your vote made it clear to me that you were saying, hey, whoever asked you for that, that doesn't fit my council's idea of the community purpose. So I think sketch plan allows you to do those things and you can't really do it once you get to pre-line. Okay, I'm watching our time. Bill, do you have any final questions? I don't know. No, I'm good. What do you want to ask us? Without you, don't already know. I really do you want to ask us? You don't already know. I really don't want to ask you anything. What I would like to do is just take a moment to assure you that although I have lots of experience and perhaps more than, well, actually more than all of it. My desire to be on council is not to tell you what to do, nor to tell you how we all did it, but it is to join with you and to add to a community thinking of the five of the four others of you and to offer a skill set that I think I have of finding ways to accomplish a purpose that are perhaps not readily observable in the beginning, but if you have a desire to do it, you can find a way. And I don't mean in proper way. There are lots of ways to skin the cat as the saying goes. And I bring to the table that desire to do that. Thank you very much, Arnie. Okay, we'll take just a quick break here. Three minutes or so. you I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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I think of you trained and oriented one of these stuff. Read, come on up. Yeah, I've never had the honor to meet you. What a pleasure. Hi. Hi. I'm Mary Bell, Madison Field. It's me, too. I'm from surface. Nice to meet you. I didn't know you were here. Yeah. Mary, down the road. Thanks. Thank you. So we come front and center. We do want to make this a very pleasant experience were here for the last interview and you kind of saw how we did it. You mind if I sit? You sure can sit. Okay. You're far more comfortable. Looks like you might be far more comfortable sitting. You got a mic there. Make sure you use the mic. Is it turned on? Okay. Well, Reed, as you know, we have one vacancy on town council, which we will be filling over the next week or two weeks. The goal this evening is to ask you some questions get to know you and you have the opportunity to ask questions of us. So with that round robin, can you tell us a little bit about read I've never had the honor to meet you and I'm glad we get to meet tonight. Certainly it's a it's a pleasure to be here and thank you for taking the time to have this conversation. My name is Reed Howey I've lived in the Valley since 1989 I've lived in snowmass village for 10 years. I am a recovering bureaucrat I've lived in Snowmass Village for 10 years. I am a recovering bureaucrat. I've had several public sector positions in this family and others. And I'm the proud father of two grown young women, one who currently lives in New Zealand and the other in Montana. I've always sought out opportunities to engage in some sort of public service throughout most of my adult life. And most recently have been a volunteer board member of a group called the Winter Wildlands Alliance in Boise, Idaho, where we work to influence Congress and the agencies on quiet recreation in the back country on public lands. And then additionally have done volunteer work for the Pacific Crest Trail Association, we're developing a land acquisition program to be able to complete the Pacific Crest Trail. I'm no longer doing either of those things. And when this notice came up, it seemed like to me an exciting opportunity to pay back to Snowmass Village, some of what I've enjoyed out of living here. I'm very grateful for the opportunity to have lived and continue to live in Snowmass Village. I think it's a wonderful place, so I'm interested in the opportunity of providing some service to it. Beyond that, I'm a kid from the Midwest who came out here to go to college and never went home. And when I moved to the Valley, it was for a professional position. And I've been really fortunate to be able to live here and find rewarding work as well. I think I'm very lucky to have been able to do that. Me? Yeah, I'm gonna go to Bob this time. Okay. Being on town council, is a considerable time commitment. Council, is it considerable time commitment? What personal or professional constraints on your time or your service would you anticipate if you were chosen for this position? I have thought long and hard about it because I travel quite a bit. The work that I do now takes me out of the valley on a regular basis. I was glad to see that the schedule for council meetings was, well, I guess, to be adopted tonight or approved tonight. And with that predictability, I think attending town council meetings won't be a problem at all. It is true that I spend, well, I think I'm gone about half the time. My wife tells me that I'm only gone about a third of the time, so I think it just feels like half the time. So there is a fair amount of travel on my part. It means that I do have to juggle things to be able to not only attend council meetings, but I think there's a requirement if you're going to accept this position to make yourself available to be in the mix within some aspect. Are you still on other boards that are outside of the valley that have regular meetings? No, the two that I mentioned the valley that have regular meetings? No, the two that I mentioned, the one and Boise had term limits and I served three full terms. My volunteer work with PCTA, cycled out a year or so ago. So I'm not currently on any volunteer or other boards. Okay, thank you. I see you serve as an ambassador on Snowmass Mountain. Do you still? What day of the week are you working? I'm a Friday night ambassador. I work at the restaurant on Friday evenings. I before that, I worked on Saturdays. Okay. And what do you enjoy most about being that ambassador? And what do you enjoy most about being that ambassador? It's, I find it, I find it really rewarding to be able to help people have a better vacation. I think it's a lot of fun to seek out and get involved with guests who are here as, as you know, from, from having done yourself, that you are kind of a confusion magnet. And the ability to be able to find it, identify it, and then get involved in it and be able to solve a simple problem, if you will, is both thoroughly rewarding and at the end of the day, exhausting. I find those days very rewarding and entertaining, but at the end of the day, I'm done. So I do enjoy that interaction with guests, and it's been an opportunity to be aware of how the ski area operates in a way that I never understood when I was a skier. You know, if it were, if the lifts ran and it was basically invisible and the snow was a good shape, I was a happy guy. But as an ambassador, it's been a real interesting experience to learn how difficult it is to put on that show every day. So I've enjoyed that. I've enjoyed getting to learn that from one little point of view, that business a little bit. But primarily what gets me to come back every year is the opportunity to interact with guests over the day and solve problems. There's a number of people that are enthused about connecting the four ski areas. You know, maybe by ski trails and maybe ultimately ski lifts. What's your opinion on the topic. I don't feel like I have enough information out the impacts of it to say whether it's a good idea or not for the community within the context of how we want to create a sustainable presence here in the valley. It's pretty cool as an idea. I think the notion of being able to offer a product that is truly a form out product is an appealing one. It's a very seductive idea. is truly a form out product, is an appealing one. It's a very seductive idea. In addition, the idea of being able to limit certain impacts of traveling back and forth between the communities and truly uniting them in some way is also really appealing. The cost of that, the environmental impacts of that, have to be weighed. I don't feel like I have a good sense of what that might be. But as someone who, when I moved to the valley, it was a long distance call between Aspen and my home in Carbondale, but I like the idea and see the idea of the valley operating as really neighborhoods with one larger community. Each neighborhood is distinct and has its personality, but the more and more we're independent. Okay, Bob. Reed, what would you consider your strengths to be for being on town council? I should really have other people here who would speak the truth instead of what I believe, but I do get a fair amount of feedback. I've gotten it through my career for being strategic and a good listener. I find that if my mouth is moving, I am not learning anything. And I enjoy the process of work. I'm sure everyone says this, but I enjoy the process of working with a group of colleagues to try and improve each of our takes on things and be able to make a better decision. So I guess what I feel like I bring to the opportunity personally is a great deal of experience in working with groups, working in this setting complex public problems, public sector problems that you dealt with? Sure. There have been, well, I go back to, one of the things that bothers me about possibly coming to this position is that I've enjoyed my increasing anonymity over the last decade or two. But when I came to the county, when I came to the valley, I was the pick and county manager. That's why I came here. And was in that position for a little over six years. During that period of time, among other things, was when Bert Mountain was settled. And being involved on behalf of my bosses on trying to work a longstanding, adversarial problem through is one example of what I thought was a process and an approach that I hoped I helped bring to the county at that time of being able to work through and create processes for settling problems rather than simply saying no. And Thurt Mountain was an example of that. Setting up the elected officials' transportation group as another, getting at least some baby steps toward being able to resolve problems was. Thanks. That's probably enough. Bill? That's probably enough. Jason Heyver who sat on the council previously was criticized for being too green trying to make snowmask the greenest village in the world some would say Is there such a thing? Is there such a thing? I think that, I do think that being green, being sustainable is important for personal reasons, you can say global reasons. I think it's important for long-term business reasons and that sense the skiing company proves to be a good corporate citizen in trying to do that. To be able to move forward effectively, you really do have to have the support of a large group or are willing to participate in that. So if one is being, you know, sacrificing good for the perfect, then that's being, that's my definition of being too green, of wanting to move forward on that would be something that would be very interesting to me, but I don't think that it's necessarily effective to push it to the point where you can't really get half-low stun. I'm going to build on that question for a second here, Reed. I have built on that question for a second here, Reed. There is the notion of green. There is the notion of economic sustainability. How do you formulate your opinion on a strategy? If you cannot find the solution in terms of economic sustainability or economic vitality for whoever that is. Is to green, does that trouble you the notion of try to find a balance or are you a balancing person or would you prefer it away and on the side of let's just stay green at all cost. I'm very pragmatic and as you know I currently work for a group called the wilderness Land Trust. for a group called the wilderness land trust. It's an example of, I'm very happy there by the way. And it's good to know that, for example, the wilderness land trust does not weigh in on whether lands ought to be designated as wilderness or not. We have no policy positions, we don't do that. What we do is provide a service to both the public and private landowners who own lands within designated wilderness areas. We acquire those lands and transfer them to the federal government. So we're not the advocacy group. We're the, we sometimes, although from a fundraising perspective, we should probably figure out a better phrase. We sometimes describe ourselves as the plumbers of wilderness. You know, that once wilderness has been designated, we work really hard to make sure that the land tenure for that designation matches up, that they aren't compromised by private lands in the middle of it, and that the private landowners don't feel trapped by being within a wilderness area. I say that only because it's a good example of where I like to fit, and where I am most happy. It's not in that advocacy role. I feel very comfortable in that plumber role in that sense of trying to, I do believe in wilderness and think it's been wonderful for me and my family. But where I want to engage is in making sure that it works effectively and moves forward. Thank you. Okay. When setting regulatory policy as a town council member, which is more important to you, setting a flexible or less predictable process process and a predictable, less flexible process. I have to say I think it's a false economy, that I do think you can create predictable processes that are flexible. And being able to articulate how those processes move forward, the flexible part of it has to mean the ability to reassess to me, means the ability to reassess things, the ability to modify things. I think that that can be if properly worked of predictable activity. Okay. activity. Okay? So I'm not at all Dr. Nair and don't believe that there should be a round hole if you're a square peg. You're gone. But I do think there should be a round hole to shoot for. You know, that people have an understanding that the government has articulated what is important to it through both a master planning process and what not that goes into its codes. But from there, that's a conversation starter, not stopper. Okay, thanks. I got a two-part question. The first part is what keeps you up at night? Well I am What what what keeps me up currently is my business. You know, not saying not your business, but the wilderness land trust, where I'm very focused on that. That keeps me up and at night, but then as the night wears on, some of the things I worry about include being able to pass on to my young adult children, many of the opportunities and the environment that I was able to enjoy. So being able to create a situation or have some influence over a situation where snow mess village as part of the larger roaring Fort Valley is a vital and thriving place is a good thing. You know that that is part of a more global notion of of what I want to pass on to my kids. Good. The second part of that question is struck me I was meeting a gentleman and normally you just exchange pleasantries how you do and what's your day. He said to me what do you care about? So I ask you, what do you care about? Well, I think I've kind of alluded to it a little bit with talking about my kids and my kind of place here. I worry and I think a lot about that. And how can I, as someone who is fortunate enough to have won the birth lottery and been born right after the second, I'm getting a little too philosophical, but born after the Second World War in the United States, you know, that I'm a pretty lucky guy. And I feel an obligation to give back for all the benefits that I've had of being raised and living in a community I care for and that cares for me. Okay. Rita, I wanna go back on a statement. You made a little earlier in terms of our schedule for town council meetings. There are times that that schedule is modified, particularly if we're going through a major PUD and we want to accelerate the process. That's a town council decision and also we have the planning commission that begins to help formulate and drive process. That may mean that there will be additional meetings. How predictable is your schedule? The truth is about my schedule. I have no one to blame but myself since I make it myself. I work for a board but I'm president of the organization. So I have some flexibility in it. My business travel schedule, frankly, runs about two weeks out. You know, it is very flexible in that sense. I don't have anything. I have one trip on the calendar after December. But I know I'll be traveling. It's by way of saying that it's not rigid. Okay. When you talk about the wilderness work you're doing, is that for only roaring fork or is it a more national presence? No, it's a national organization. We don't actually do a lot of work in Colorado. We were founded here 23 years ago and have done most of much of the work that's in Colorado. For example, we're in Montana now getting ready to buy a mining company to acquire the lands that they own. So my grandfather will be proud of me for it. to buy a mining company to acquire the lands that they own. So my grandfather will be proud of me for joining the family's mining tradition. I'm good. What's the best way to build atmosphere of teamwork? I think that those, there are macro and micro kind of answers to that. But I find that being able to establish an atmosphere of teamwork is a macro activity. It's done frequently in more broad brush ways, whether it be retreats or planning sessions or whatnot. But it's sustained on a micro level that are all skills that our moms taught us. And that is how one maintains teamwork and recognizing that no one individual speaks for the board and that one has to be respectful of your fellow board members is key to that on both a micro and a macro level. Do you have any other questions? That's up. No. Do you have some questions for us, Reed? Yeah. Does this council or SNONAS, that may be two different answers, have a long range plan, a long range vision for the community? And it does. What are the kind of several most important points of it. One of the major documents that drives our decision-making process in one that is updated every two years is the comprehensive plan for Snowman's Village. That document was put together, I don't know, how many years ago I know we revisited two years ago? We just finished it. I mean, I've been going up for like forever. I was, it was, I think last spring when we finished it. PC. And the PC. Yeah. And we had, well before that, 2008, 2000. Four, we start. time fly me to 10. Council didn't act on the planning commissions state of the comprehensive plan report that was submitted. So that's out there. And actually, I think it's time for, excuse me, time for the planning commission to redo that. You have to issue that report and council can choose to act on it or not act on it. So it does have a mechanism where my it's updated. But the ultimate decision by council. It's a very, very important document. I will tell you it's a heavy, it takes a lot of heavy lifting. Having served and chair of the Planning Commission and Bob most recently served this chair of the Planning Commission. It's a huge document. There's always improvement and changes to the comp plan, but that is our guiding principle. Then every year the council meets in the strategic planning retreat, looking at what our goals were for prior going forward and what's coming at us in terms of the future as we read the future. So those are kind of two very important guiding documents. The drive decision making and quite frankly, board agenda in terms of setting priorities. Has everyone on council participated in that last round of drafting? No, we have a brand new council. We've only met, this is our second meeting as council. Bob? I'm new. I was the chair of the Planning Commission, so I've had some exposure to the Comprehensive Plan, but nothing at all to a strategic planning from this group. It's probably too early to ask but have you all talked about addressing that again? Yes. There is a formal process but yeah that's the guy who drives me. We need one more person and then we're out. We're out the door. We're doing it. We look at that probably January. more person than we got. Been around the door. We're doing it. We look at that probably January. All right. Kind of on the working plan for future January, February. All right. Thanks. I only know what I read in the paper. So it's the, but I hear about all of this animosity. What do I make of that? That's the reason why you have a new council. The community voted. The community spoke. As I said earlier this evening in a previous question to me that I'm so very, very pleased with my colleagues who are currently sitting on council. I've set on council for six years and I'm planning prior to. I see a bright future for this council. One member is absent tonight, but I can tell you. It's a very, I enjoy the dynamics. We've got a brand new town manager. He's doing a great job keeping us all on track. So I see a lot of positive. So I would just regard all the animosity we've moved beyond that now. Great. Any other questions? Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming. Thank you. And we're going to take a few minutes to break. you you you you you you you you I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the you you you you Thank you. Welcome you this evening. Well, thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. You've set through a couple of these interviews. You kind of see the format and how we're doing these. I did. Yeah. Okay. So it's kind of see the format and how we're doing these. I did. Yeah, okay. So it's kind of round robin. At the end, I will let you ask questions of us. Okay. Okay, I'm going to first ask you to tell us a little bit about Jerry Pazer. Not that we don't know you, but go ahead. Well, I'm originally from Connecticut and the outdoors drew me out here. I've lived in the Upper Valley for a total of 28 years, 23 years in Somas Village, married with a 20-year-old son as a junior in college at CU. I'm a fishing-guided Taylor Creek and I've got a little free time on my hands. And I look forward to the opportunity. Serve council. That's great. Thank you so very much for your application. I'm going to turn to my left and ask Bill to come off with the first question. All right, Jerry. Can you give us an example of how you've created positive change in an organization? Oh, certainly. Certainly. Well, as produce manager at the village market, you know, I improved produce sales there and overall sales of the grocery store over a 21-year period. You know, that was done by listening closely to the community. I mean, what their needs were, as well as working as a coach, a junior hockey, expanding the program, creating a better opportunity for youth of alley. I also worked with some fundraising to build the arc as well during that time Okay, Bob Jerry how would you describe the role of a council member? You know council members role is role is, you know, to listen to the community. You put the community's needs first. Set policy. Regulation and rules in place and adhered to them. All right. How, and what do you bring that makes you especially suited for this role? My ability to communicate, particularly with the community, understanding of the community, the economy, the snowmess village, and what the community really needs. Okay, thanks. Jerry, if you were sitting on council, and if someone says to you, okay, Jerry, what's your vision of Snowmass Village? What would you say? I'll give you the magic one. It's a, you know, my vision of Snowmass Village is to continue to be a world class family resort for us to stay competitive. I mean, it's, I think, that's it. And what would you say about the summer activities that have been designed so far and put in place in the future of our summer activities and our winter activities. Summer activities get better every year but there's certainly room for improvement. Winter business is strong or summer business could use a boost and if we can boost that into both shoulder seasons that would certainly help the town's economy in the future and build, help to build that world class resort reputation. I'm going to stay on the shoulder season concept. It just brought up, you know, you for years, dealt with all the seasonality of the village market. How did you plan for what you were going to purchase and how did you figure all that stuff out in terms of it. It's serious planning is what is what in memory recognition honestly it takes serious planning. You know we have a short winner season out here you, to maximize our impact. The four months of the winter, we've got a strong business. We've two months of the summer, strong business, and then we have off seasons. You know, it was a time when summer business was July and August, only it's slowly creeped back to June 1st and the other way into September. There's certainly room for improvement. Some thought has to be given into that to figure out ways to learn more people here during those times. This summer, this September, the tough motor brought a lot of people here. Was it nice to see some serious business in September? Some people might suggest that the sales tax in the snowmast villages too high. What's your opinion? You know, I think our sales tax in snowmouse villages too high. What's your opinion? You know, I think our sales tax is right on the money. You know, I think for what we give, how those tax dollars are spent really helps the whole community. You know, those tax dollars are in or spent. I mean, we need the fire department. We need the police department we need to have money to do things to stimulate Growth and stimulate sales in the community and to bring people here I don't really think that that I mean I know it's a high sales tax, but I certainly don't think it's out of line I certainly don't think it's out of line. Okay. Okay. Jerry, what do you believe are the proper roles and responsibilities of the staff in advising the council? I think that their job is to give us all the information possible so that Council can make proper decisions. I don't think their role is influential in any way. I think it's a factual representation. And how do you visualize working with the staff? I have to have an respect for a clear concise manner. But I mean, you may have already experienced that being on the environmental board. And it's been a pleasure working with town staff in that position. I know you've said on the EAB and I know several years ago our community took a vote on the bag of policy. What did you do during that period of time? What were your thoughts as you were at the produce? You know I it was really a difficult difficult thought process you know know, I was really a difficult, difficult thought process, you know, being that I was in the grocery business and seeing that 80% of the people that came in the grocery store were tourists, you know, who really don't have a reusable bag. It really was difficult decision. I really wasn't sure if the, if a bag band would, would hurt the tourist view of convenience as, on the other end, environmentally, I mean, I think it's a slam dunk, you know. But you know, there are a few things, you know, the environment's most important, but if it's gonna affect economy or the cost, it's cost prohibitive, then it really has to look, you looked at very closely. Okay, I have a phone. Yeah, yeah. Would you, would you like to see that come up again? I would. Absolutely. I think just the other day when I was pulling up white plastic bag out of a tree by the river I was thinking about it as a matter of fact. So you would support a plastic bag band at the grocery store? I didn't say that Bill. I think I would if we were able to minimize the impact of the lack of convenience to the tourist because I don't see any reason why we should charge a charge and more, given them an unexpected charge at the grocery store, create any kind of negative experience for the tourists. I mean, we live on the tourists, so we have to make sure that we please them, you know, I mean, so yes, I would support a bag ban as long as it did not affect the tourists shopping experience negatively. You know, Jerry, you observed council meetings. I know we've talked about some of the council meetings. How would you make a difference by sitting on council? And what skill set do you bring to this council relative to communication and what have you? You know, can you ask that again, Mark? I sure will. You know, you've watched some of our council meetings and you've seen some of the dynamics of this council. Currently and previously. What skill do you bring to this council that would help in terms of us all working together? Well, you know, first off, I'm here because I'm very impressed with the current mayor and council. And, you know, I want to be part of your team. You know I believe that that I bring a layman's point of view to council. I believe that you know strong communication, clear communication with respect, good listening. I enjoy working in a team environment. One of the things I miss terribly is communicating with the public, which I look forward to doing again if I'm appointed as a council member. of the responsibilities of the town government. development, you know, is most important. Okay. Do you have any other thoughts about that? Well, I'm clearly for the base fill is development. I voted for it originally and I'm still for it. It needs to get done in a timely fashion until it's done. Our resort suffers currently right now. We have a wrong mix of lodging and retail space. That's hurting the service. We're losing dollars to ask in every night because our restaurants just aren't cutting it for lots of reasons. Mostly it's because we have too much retail space, I believe. You know, we have a seasonality issue. When you throw in too much retail space, it just totally hurts the service, just the experience for the tourist. Okay. What's the single greatest opportunity you see in front of us, no mass village? Clearly it's the base village development. I mean, that will increase our bed base tax revenue, put us on the map, further compete as a world class family, year-on-resort, number one ski resort. What would be your second? Second, clearly would be the entryway finish. I've got a nice piece of property there. It's already got a rodeo going on. We've got a nice piece of property there. It's already got a rodeo going on. You know, a nice ring that's attempting to be better every year. Certainly room for improvement down there could be a multi-use facility. Certainly nothing too big, something that fits into the landscape comfortably. We don't wanna give them, have a big city look there at the road a lot. Is there anything that you feel snowmass villages missing currently? You know, it's it. You know, the the base village, some of the questions you asked previous council applicants and was about the amenity to base village. One of the things that I think that Soma's kind of lacks is a family type of area, perhaps at base village, maybe an aquatic center with a lot of hot tubs, with maybe a family game room, something like that, you know, could be really nice. Maybe we're trying to be a family resort, so we need, you know, more things for families, you know, we don't want them to go anywhere or leave. We don't mean the line of cars that goes to Aspect every night and you know if there's any way we could keep some of that in the village with some you know family opportunities I think that would be a good idea you know I don't really know for sure but something. Something. I'm going to go back on an environmental question. So we've looked at proposals to put solar panels in our town, probably at least three times since I've set on council. And we being on EAB, I'm sure you all have studied solar panels fixed or what have you. I'm going to ask you what your thoughts about the solar? And you're talking about solar panels on buildings. Yeah, like all the town council buildings. So, you know, we had an up in the draw side was another. Sure, sure. I think that I think I don't think we should be putting any in snowmass village. I don't really believe we should be putting any solar panels on property. But I think that there's definitely an opportunity on top of buildings. I see no reason why that shouldn't or couldn't be done. But I certainly there are probably better places to put solar panels than in the draw. Well, like buying into the co-op, you know, etc. Buying into the co-op is definitely a good idea. You know for sure Okay You Know the question. No nice job. Okay. Bill, another question? No, nice job. Jerry, what do you want to ask us? What would you want? Do you all want for Christmas? No, I don't really have any questions for you, but thank you. Thank you. You've got a great sense of humor. I do my best. Thank you, Jerry, for your application, great interview. Okay, we have one final candidate that's going to be a list of, but we're all going to make our little notes here and give us three. Granitas, grassroots. Three. you I'm going to do it. you you you you you you you you I'm learning, Rhonda. We're good to go. Come on up, Alyssa. Hi. Hello. Good to see you. Good to see you guys too. Alyssa's our last candidate to see me. Thank you so you've been out there patiently waiting. It's okay. I thought it was going to be late. I was shuddling kids and they were like, you got to get here earlier. You have to play the mama row. You have to play it I thought it was going to be late. It was shuddling kids and they were like, you got to get here earlier. Yeah, cool. You have to play the mama row. You have to play it. OK. Can you tell us what we're going to do is the ice breakers tell us a little bit about yourself. OK. And you can tell us about your first day up on the mountain on Sunday, going to, and then for the two round robins. OK, perfect. Great. So my name is Alyssa, Shank, Slash, Genshaft, depending on the day. I grew up in Columbus, Ohio, in a suburb called Bexley, a small suburb. I attended the Ohio State University for Law School, and I went to undergrad at the University of Wisconsin. I've lived in the valley for 10 years, and we've lived in snow mass village for seven years. As Marke alluded to, I am an ambassador. When I first became an ambassador, she was on my team, until she left for greater things. And now I have a great team of eight other ambassadors that I work with, and some people in the guest service department like to call me the Sean White of the Ambassadors because I have a lot of information in my head, and I spend a lot of time training people, which is what I did on Sunday. And even though the conditions were not perfect, I had a great day. And I am the guy that I trained. He really liked me. And we had a lot of fun getting to know each other. And I think it's going to be a really good season. Thank you. Bill, you're first. All right. At some point in your career, you've likely strongly disagreed with a colleague on a critical issue. How did you work through that disagreement? Well, that happened not so long ago when I was sitting on the Rabbi Search Committee for the Aspen Jewish Congregation. It's not on the committee for two years until we found the right Rabbi. And there was a person on the committee that I didn't see eye to eye with because of her personality and because she liked to strong-arm people. And I'm firm in what I believe and I don't like to feel like I'm being bullied into making a decision because that's what someone's telling me to do. I like to look at all the facts and I like to spend a lot of time thinking about it, but we didn't see eye to eye on that. And that was really hard, but for the greater good of the committee, I was able to kind of leave her to the side a little bit and work well with everybody else. And eventually we sat down, well, we had a phone conversation. And we talked and we worked it out and we've exchanged letters back and forth since then. And I feel like, if I saw her to this day, it's fine. She's never gonna be my best friend, but I feel like we're able to reach an amicable relationship. And I think in life, you're going to come across those people. And it's hard, especially when you're on a board and you're trying to reach a consensus like we were. But I did my best to put my personal feelings about her side and tried to work for the greater good of the board. And did you, your rabbi gets selected or did hers? It's a win-win. Well, it was actually we, twice. The first time we hired a rabbi and he was supposed to come and didn't decide if he wanted to not come anymore. He was going to do it at something else. And so we went through the process again and she actually, the person that she wanted the most one, won the votes of everyone. But it wasn't that I didn't like that person or it wasn't in favor. I just struggled with some of the things, her tactics, in getting that person to be the choice. So. OK, Bob. Hi, Alyssa. Hi, Bob. Alyssa and I go back a long way. Long way. Long way. And Alyssa helped by giving me advice on my campaign. So I'm really pleased to see you standing there, applying for this other position. Thanks. So because I know you, and I know how busy you are. Yeah. So my first question is what professional and personal constraints on your time and service might you anticipate? That's a good question. Well, I knew the seat was going to be available obviously when Mark E1 Mayor. And for me, I had conversations with people over the last few weeks, people that don't even live in Stomas, that thought that this would be a great opportunity for me, and that I would be really well-suited for a position like this. And I thought about it. And I think in the last year or so, given my own life experiences that I've gone through, I've sort of narrowed down the things that I'm willing to commit to. Because for a long time, I was the yes person. You want me to do that, sure. You want me to do that, sure. And I would always, I didn't want to turn anything down. And I started doing that, which I think has been really good for me. And that being said, I kind of turned down some other opportunities this year, and I decided that I was going to focus on the things that I really felt were important to me personally, and that would make a difference in the life of my family. And so one of them is the PTO, so the parent teacher organization at the elementary school. I will likely be president for life because no one else wants to step up to do it, but I love it because my kids benefit from it. The things that we do at the school, the money we raise directly benefits their education. And I feel good about that. And so to put the time in there is wonderful. So when council came up, the opportunity to put the time in here and this place that I live and then I'm raising my family and that I love and I've been coming here since I was a little kid, just that I value the life here. That to me seemed like a good choice. And so right now, it's PTO, and if I should get this opportunity, it would be council. Other than that, I've kind of just put everything else aside. Thanks. You know, Alyssa, it does take a lot of time to sit on council. And I can anticipate, I can't predict, there's going to be extra meetings as we look at base village and we talk about time commitments and one of the questions that you heard the night we had squirm night you know that whole thing about balancing your role and what you do in the community and family and stuff. How would you respond to that? Can you can you pull that off with all these extra meetings and all the homework and your little kids and I think I can because I have a really great husband. That is is really helpful and with the kids and spends a lot of time with the kids like I do. And I think that whenever I choose to do something, I think about the time that it pulls me away from my kids. I've been in Basterang on Sunday for nine years, and Sophie's been one years old. And it's a commitment. That's every Sunday, the Sunday that I could be spending at home with my kids. But I choose to do it because I think it's really good for me. And I enjoy socializing and meeting all the people in the mountain. And that's sort of how I feel about this. I feel like in my life you need that balance of exercise and outdoor activity and time with your family, but also intellectual stimulation. And I love the PTO, but it's not difficult. It's not challenging. It's not making me critically think. And I miss that. I mean, I haven't really had that since law school days, you know. And I think that that is part of my balance. And that's how I would kind of look at it. And in terms of extra meetings, I mean the evenings, yes with kids, they're more challenging, but I can plan, I have a calendar and I can make it work. Thank you very much for that answer. I found that an obnoxious question by the way for his corndite. But you know, we take it in stride as well. Okay, so there you go. Great answer, Bill. Um, Lisa. Yes. If you are selected with the exception of base village, what do you think are the two top priorities for snowmast village moving forward? Well, I think one of them is creating a family atmosphere. I mean when we first moved to the village seven years ago, you know, it was before the park and everything was getting going and I felt like there weren't very many families here. I don't know. I mean my kids were still young but I just I felt like there wasn't that place where you could go and just hang out. With the parks, I feel like it's really added that. And I love that. I love going down to the park and seeing friends and talking to people and meeting new people. So I think creating family space is really important. And you know, when I'm in the bathroom all the time, people say, what do you do with what should we do with our family tonight or where should we go? And I think things like the bowling alley have been great. Like I love that. I think it's even though it's expensive, it's a great place to go and gather. And I think creating more of those businesses. And I know I know that I that from talking to people that a lot of the business is struggle because it's, it's hard. I mean, you know, when you have the off-season and things, but I think creating those family spaces is really important. So that would be one. And the other I think is the summer. I felt like this past summer in Snowmass Village felt totally different than any other of the summers that I've lived here. I felt like it was like a life. There was people everywhere all the time. I mean I live in horse ranch so when I come down the hill and they're setting up in the park for an event I felt like every other week there was an event and I thought that was exciting. I really did and I think that encouraging more of that. I mean the events that they had this summer, I think were really wonderful. I wasn't here for one or less, but I heard great things about it. So I think bringing more people in for these events, especially events that can provide family entertainment because it's, you know, be for the little list to the oldest member of the family, I think is really, I think is really great. I mean, I know base village is big, and it takes a lot of time. But I think other than base village and other than the entryway, making this town more family oriented, I think, is a key and really important. Right. So. Okay. Melissa, can you give us an example of how you created positive change in an organization? Sure, so I, for 10 years, I was the director of Donor Dracked. And if you're unfamiliar with Donor Dracked, we were started by a mom and daughter, Holly, Tuller, and Bartlett and her mom. And they started this organization because they wanted to find a way to help locals that were struggling for various reasons. They need to pay their rent, they need to pay an electric bill, whatever it is. So they started it. I moved here two years after they started it. And I became involved because I was really looking for something to do. And it just sort of evolved that I became the director. And Bartlett is a wonderful lady, but she took everything on a handshake. Oh, you'll promise to pay back the $1,500. That's great. And she met well. And it was a great organization, but there was no structure. So one of the things that I did was help create the structure by creating a formal application, an interview process in which we would meet with the candidate that was applying before and ask them various questions of calling their references, and then also a formal promissory note. And it's not because we were ever going to go after these people in court, although I did once in Glenwood just to make the point. But it was more because we wanted the people to feel like they were making a responsible decision and that they could honor this commitment to pay back this loan. And so I feel like all of that really helped to elevate donor direct. And that was really, that was a great experience. I loved working for this. Did you find out how did the recipients relate to having to go through this process? I think they appreciated it. I mean, no one should just hand someone $1,500. I mean, I think having to go through this process? I think they appreciated it. I mean, no one should just hand someone $1,500. I mean, I think having to state your case and explain why you need the money and how important for you it would be to have this money. And the letters we get from people, so appreciative because we paid for their kid to get eyeglasses or whatever it was. And I think they were responsive. You know, a lot of the applicants we got didn't speak English. And so I don't know, I would walk through the promissory note with them. I don't know how much they really understood. But I think that they appreciated the process. Because if you're going to go get a loan, it should be formalized. And I think they were appreciative of that. Is it still in business? No. so we closed donor direct two years ago. And not because we didn't have the applications, but because I was doing it pretty much by myself. And it was a lot. And I kind of felt like I was ready to do something different. And so we took the money and we divided it. We all picked a charity that we felt was really important to us and we divided the money amongst all different charities within the valley. Thanks. You know, listen, we've had some tough struggles here on council. You and I have talked about them offline and in public. What skills do you bring to this council? And how would you see your involvement on council evolving? Well, when I was in law school, you had an opportunity to do a certificate program, which meant that you had to dedicate a certain amount of class hours and volunteer hours to a specific subject. And one of the certificate programs was dispute resolution, which included both mediation and arbitration. And before law school, I thought I wanted to be a trial attorney and I wanted to, you know, get up in court and state the case and be a criminal lawyer, whatever it was. I was so excited about that. Once I got into law school, I realized I didn't really like that stuff as much. And what I really liked was the dispute resolution. And Ohio State was one of the very few programs in the country at the time that I was in law school that had a program like that. So it was really amazing to be able to work with some of these people, professors in the country that have had a lot of experience in that field. So the mediation experience that I learned both in classroom and in application in the court system because the court system in Columbus based on everything to mediation for small claims before it will go in front of the judge. And also in custody dispute mediation, which is a really difficult topic, because it's very, very personal. So I feel like my experience in mediation has two levels. One is that I feel like in help on an interpersonal level, because being able to bond as a cohesive group of people on a board is really important. And being able to get along and appreciate each other's differences in similarities. And so I feel like mediation helps a lot in that respect. And I also think it helps in reaching a consensus on really important issues, which I know there are a lot of very critical issues coming in front of the council. So I think that that experience will help in terms of working through the issues. One thing that you do in a mediation is you sit down and you, I always ask the people to make their list. What are the things that you're willing to concede that you could be okay if this went the other way? And what are the things that absolutely no way know how you're not giving up? And I feel like sitting down and making those lists whether they're in your head or on your computer, or written on a no pad are really helpful in terms of trying to reach consensus. Because sometimes you fight about things that aren't really important to you, but you're just doing it because you don't know what else to do but fight. So I think that I think my skills would help in both the interpersonal and the decision making. What things frustrate you most about municipal government? Well, I haven't had a lot of experience in terms of serving in government, but I have had a lot of political experience in helping people get elected to offices and working on political campaigns. But I think sometimes the thing that frustrates me the most is that sometimes you feel like things are really, really slow, that they take a long time to get through. And maybe it's because the concessors can't be reached on the board, or maybe it's because plans have to be made before they can come to the board, whatever it is. I just always felt like it seemed like it was slow. And maybe it's just depends on the particular decision. But I will say on a greater level, I'm sure you know about the legislation that I helped get past. And that was really exciting for me because I was like, that was so fast. I mean, I had a meeting with them on Tuesday and by Friday they said they would sponsor this bill. So I think that I do have hope that some things, important things can move at a faster pace if we want them to. Bob? Okay. What's the primary role of the council and how would you contribute to that? I think the primary role of the council is information gathers and forming decisions that aren't necessarily best for you but best for the community as a whole. I think I'm really good at sitting down and looking at issues and taking my personal opinion sometimes out of it and really thinking about okay maybe this is not what I want but if that's best for the greater good then I am willing to move in that direction. And so I think it's really listening to the people, sitting up here, making decisions. And you know, some decisions are really big, and some are really small. I mean, you know, but I think it's important. Well, some of the even the small ones, they're not so small to the people that they affect. Right, exactly. That's true. Question for you, Alyssa, which I haven't asked any other candidate. That they affect. Exactly. That's true. Question for you, Alyssa, which I haven't asked any other candidate. I don't know. I think it's very important to knowing the work you've done in advocacy and legislation. What have you? If 15 years from now, your children say, your children say my mom said on town council she really made a difference what would you want that legacy to be? Well I mean that would make me feel really proud I mean I I one of the reasons I applied is because I don't feel like enough women are involved in local government. And government in general and I feel like for me, my kids knowing that if I was determined to do something and that encouraged them to then, you know, look at their own life and be determined to do something that maybe they were a little nervous about and know that they can do it and see the differences that I made. I mean, I hope that if I was elected and could sit here and be making critical decisions about base village and the entryway, that they could come back to snowmass like 30 years from now and walk in and be like, wow, this got here because my mom helped. And that's kind of how I feel about the bill that I just helped you know get through the senate. It's the same thing. It's like you know if that should happen to other any other family. Like I know that I'm saving future families and that's kind of how I feel about this. Thank you. Bill? I don't have any more questions for you. I'm good. I'm good, so now it's your turn. OK, great. Well, I just, I want to reiterate that I am really invested because I may have not been involved in any government boards or things like that But I take it seriously. It's really important to me because this is where I live. This is where I'm raising my kids I feel like I really have a pulse on the community Especially with regards to families and I'm excited for you guys because I feel like this is such an amazing opportunity to make some real change. And I think you guys are all wonderful people. And my question to you is, what do you feel is the best person that you could put in this seat that would complement what you guys already bring to the table? I mean, what are you looking for? That's an excellent question. And I don't know that we have the answer to that tonight. I don't have the answer. I mean, we've had eight people who have, I think, anyone of those eight could be sitting at this table. And they all bring different things. And a lot of this is really going back home, musing about what we've heard trying to structure what we think our strengths and weaknesses are and where we're missing skills that would complement what we've got and trying to put that all together and see which piece fits the puzzle. You have a comment Bill? Yeah, I think what we're looking for is we're not looking for another Bill Madsen or Mark E. Butler or Bob Circus. I mean, we really need some balance and people that will challenge us and press us. You know, we don't want somebody's just going to go along with the flow. So yeah. OK. How is that? My answer to that question is what's extremely important to this council is for whoever joins our team to be a team member. Roll up their sleeves, work together, and quite frankly, get along with everybody. It's hard when you know a person you may be speaking with is not really communicating, not hearing what you're saying. And what I'm really looking for is that balance of person that listens, someone that can get along and compromise and work on behalf of the community. Now one of the exercises we're working on is a skill set inventory because you know, what skills and our town is wonderful. Our town staff is great. But I also like to always know, well you know, Bill is the expert on the ski industry setting up here. I can go to him with a question. I know he knows every answer there is about the ski industry. I don't know a darn thing about the ski industry. So it's important to have balance of skill set as well as the whole issue I talked about as well. So the excellent question to us. Any other questions? No, thank you guys so much for your time. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Next steps is we will not be discussing our applicants this evening. I'm going to ask each one of you to you got your own notes. We'll hold them. Is that fair? Yep. And then during the week I'm sure we will hear from people within our community. And on the eighth hopefully we can make a decision. Correct? And we may or may not see the person on the 8th, maybe the 15th. So stay tuned, you'll be hearing from, for those who have interviewed, I said earlier, we're glad, good night. We hope to make the decision on the 8th and swear the person in. That may conflict with individuals calendar, so by frankly I think what we'll do is kind of during the week, and staff will take some lead and finding out what schedules are. And there they are. Is that fair? Yeah, but just be clear, you will, you will, you have any intention of voting to fill the vacancy on the. On the eight. And then depending on the availability of that person, whether they can be sworn in that nine or not, needs to be determined. Right. Is that fair? Yep. Yep. Okay, there's a lot of homework coming in January, so we want to make sure we get the person oriented and get material in their hands. I'm going to ask each one of our fellow council people to finish up their comments on Alyssa, a couple minutes, but we are going to take a break. Sorry, Danny, Dina. I'm sorry. Okay. Session, are we on granicos and grass roots? We're good to go. Okay, just a few comments that were made during the break and Clint and my fellow colleagues could you make sure we talk about all this. We do want to make sure the community weighs in on some of the interviews. So Kelly will be sending out tomorrow. How best is some type of communication with our addresses. I'm real simple. It's in Butler at TOSV.com and circus is B circus and B Madison. Yeah, so you can get on the town website. Kelly will send out the communication. It's very important that we do that and Again, we look forward to making the nominations on the successful Canada or Canada does next Monday evening Anything else? Hill or No, I think It's good that we hear from the community and I think we've got a lot of great candidates and be great to know what the community thinks. Yeah, I was blown away, guys. Pressive group. Impressive. Very impressive. Yeah. And you know, this speaks to getting our community back involved and interested and excited about politics. So all good stuff. Okay, we're moving into a conversation this evening on a possible action, consider assignment of the Criblinic lease to Gina and Danny as interim owners of the business of Criblinic. I see Dave Miler here, we have a staff report. How would you like to proceed, John, or come on up, come on up. I'm going to defer to John on this one. I'm sure that David will help me here. David Miler and David is here representing Kribloonikin, Kandamikin, and Danny and Jignair here as well. Danny and Gina are the prospective purchasers of Cribune. You should know that they reached an arrangement with Dan last year and they did operate Cribune from, a little earlier than this last year and they've continuously operated at Dan, has been hands off, but I'm sure someone that they might talk to about certain things, but they have taken over the operation. And they have now entered into an agreement to purchase all the outstanding stock of crewblemaker from Dan. They would like to close that deal based on a temporary and conditional approval of the town council to allow that to happen on a temporary basis. Obviously, this has been going on for a little while at the staff level. But as Danny and Gina prepared to operate this year, they found out that there were some pretty big expenses that could be avoided by the transfer of ownership to them. And if my tongue gets too thick, let me know because it is at the end of the day and it tends to get in my way more than help me. So anyway, they have sent over to the town council for consideration a stock purchase agreement. And this would, Dan would transfer all the stock in Cribbouliak. Dan would be completely and utterly removed from the operation at this point. He would have no ownership at that point. This has become kind of critical, as I mentioned, because of the business expense that are sizable. And I think if the council wants to keep Criblinic as a viable business and a value to amenity for the town and for our visitors, that action needs to happen to allow the best possible way for Danny and Gina as the new owners and operators to be successful. That's the decision you have to make. That's one of the decisions you have to make tonight. What they're proposing, and we've had, because this was a short notice during a holiday week We've had more discussion since the packet was prepared and what they're proposing is and it's in stock purchase agreement That the town would give a conditional approval which would allow that stock transfer and acknowledge that it would not be a lease violation Dan The purchasers and the sellers have agreed that this is in essence an assignment of the lease. Tom Council has it in their sole discretion to approve that in the first 10 years of the lease where we still stand. You obviously haven't had enough time to evaluate Danny and Jeannie. I mean, you've had a year of them operating, but you haven't seen their full bona fide business plans going forward. Potential lease modifications that you would like to see in light of the recent history of Criblinic, as well as potential PUD amendments. Because the PUD amendment could be, for instance, the limitation of the number of dogs is in the PUD, it's in the zoning, it's not necessarily, least says it will respect it, but the hard number is there. So there's all these things that the town council needs to consider. It is too short of a notice to do that, but if you We've come up with the scheme. It's I shouldn't say scheme the scenario where there would be a conditional approve That that transfer of ownership would take place and Danny and Gina can operate it as owners and operators and then following that You the council will have an opportunity to have discussions complete discussions I want to emphasize this point public discussions about the potential permanent transfer of that lease and the way they've structured the agreement is that it is called it is Conditional and it is based on council's approval. And they are going to come. I think we've agreed that it's going to be January. But if we take this step, the town will be reserving all their rights in terms of their discretion and whether to approve the assignment of the lease. But we need to, you, the other question we're going to ask you is if you're willing to commit to that time in a timely manner so that it can be completed in a way that allows this to be all closed up while still maintaining Danny and Gina's ability to have a successful season. I think you know that you heard from some of your candidates tonight. Well, this might be the most seasonal business that we have in snow mass because it only operates when there is snow at a lower elevation and it really doesn't operate in the sun in terms of the restaurant because obviously there's not dogs letting. So what they're asking here is really for you to allow a conditional approval of this stock assignment. Let them become the owners and operators and they understand the risk they're taking. But it's really up to them to prove to you that they are a qualified qualified operator and they can carry forth Criblooning in the best possible way so that it can be I don't want to say a model but we're talking about best practices here I think we're talking about you know how can we make this a real asset to the community instead of a detrimental public relations I want to say Nightence, so I'm going to go say it. It has been for a couple of years here. And I think you all got the email recently from the voices people. They, I would classify that as a cautiously optimistic. They like what they've seen so far. I think they're saying that they would like to see Danny and Gina be able to continue with this and that they're appreciative of it. The other thing, and I have to delve into this, that there's been email contact with the district attorney. She still has a case that she feels that she has to see through. And it gives an opportunity with the approval of the transfer. That maybe that can be resolved in a manner that spares the ongoing business concerns. that spares the ongoing business concerns, the public relations or for lack of a better term, image things that are happening to town, and keep this as an ongoing business asset to the community as well as an amenity for those people that don't like to ski and don't like to do the other things. It's there for them. And so that's what they're here to ask for today. The town will reserve their rights. Danny and Gina understand that I don't read. They're at risk that you may not approve this. The council may not approve this in the end. We want to contract the time that that happens. We were talking about time frames, and I guess I'll bring that up to you. They would like to be on the agenda on January 5th. And they would like to make their initial presentation then. And we envision that taking at least a couple of meetings, as we all know, everyone that is interested in this can't be at every meeting. And so to have that robust public process, that this really requires, it might take a couple meetings in January and into February, but we'd like to have this wrapped up in early March. So that the district attorney has a clear way forward. So she understands the email she sent me this afternoon said, you know, I can understand and will spread the town's wishes unless the least negotiations and discussions take a turn. And she wasn't clear with that meant. I mean, because she doesn't know. So the sooner we can get that underway, understood publicly, the trial date is set for May. And there will be before any trial there are pre-trial conferences, motion dates, a lot of stuff that goes into getting prepared for trial in that last eight to 12 weeks before. And if this town council can render a decision and this is assuming that tonight you grant the conditional approval which allows them to run the business starting tomorrow. They have a closing, you've all seen the agreement. They have a closing tomorrow. They have the right to withdraw if they don't like your answer tonight. And then they understand that this is conditional. And we're going to go through what I call a due diligence, like you would with a buyer or a seller in real estate. That's what's going to happen here. At the end of the day, hopefully if everything goes away, we've discussed here in the past week, you'll approve them. They'll do a great job. And we will be ready to move into a new era of co-booting. One of the conditions obviously that they understand is that Dan McKeech need to be away from the business anymore, which if they go to ownership rather than operator, that's a clear signal. There is a pitfall and hopefully it never comes to fruition, but there is a pitfall in the stock purchase agreement. Dan is finance, Dan McKeechin is, gotta be careful, not to confuse Danny with Dan, but Dan McKeechin is going to finance the first surprise. There's going to be a payment of a note to acquire all that stock. And obviously if the Phillips, Danny, and Gina default on that note, the stock would go back to Dan McKeechin. He would then become the owner. To address the concern that Dan not be the operator ever again, in that in the stock purchase agreement there is a provision that in the event that there is a fault by Danny and Gina that the stock would be turned over to a receiver to be appointed, I think by the time, right? Jointly. Jointly. Okay. Jointly. And that receiver would have full authority to operate and negotiate for a new purchaser. Dan would have the right to approve a purchase price. Obviously, if it's in receivership, Dan has great motivation to, to, because he won't be allowed to come in and operate it by the terms of the agreement. And that, that I don't know all the details of the situation with DA, but that may be a condition that she attempts to impose as well in any negotiations that might go forward. So there is, that's out there. I think if this council sets the tone by allowing Danny and Gina to go forward tomorrow and become owners and operators, that you're expressing some faith and I think your decision on whether they've earned that or not based on what's going on and what you've seen. You've gotten the emails are in the packets. You've seen the email from the voices and you're going to conduct a full public due diligence of the requested assignment. Conditionally, you're giving approval so that they can title it differently, save on insurance and some other expenses that are much more expensive with Dan as the owner, than they would be for a new owner. And that allows them to get a really good start. And if we can move this forward, if that's the desire of council, I think staff's recommendation is that you agree to that. Now, you will remember that in the David Miler's letter, they had suggested February 27th date. We've discussed that a lot and Not knowing the finality of the criminal case is problematic for the town and We don't really want to tie that to any conditional approval that you come for What we want to do is agree here tonight with Danny and Gina and David representing Dan McKeeching is that the town will diligently process a review, a due diligence review, and get that answer as to whether this can be a permanent assignment as soon as possible to Danny and Gina. do diligence review and get that answer as to whether this can be a permanent assignment as soon as possible to data engine and we think that could be done by February 27th. That would be four meetings, two in January and two in February. And if that's the case that once the town council is ready to give that final approval, there may be a mechanism whereby the court case could be so we could have finality there and then the council's next meeting they would take the action of the final approval. But that would be you would have to complete your due diligence and say it's to to analogize it to a real estate transaction. You have a period of due diligence. The due diligence is completed and then there's another period until you actually close the transaction. It rarely closes on the last day of due diligence. There would be that period there and it could be only two weeks between a meeting and the next meeting. Once you have either rejected the prospective purchasers as new tenants or you have indicated that you're willing to remove your conditional approval and make that a final approval. So that's the process we see going forward. Our recommendation, and this was close to a week ago, would be that you give that consent to Danny and Gina and Dan in the form of a letter so that it would be, essentially, there's a provision. I need to back up a little bit. We would like that to be as a letter that we will undertake a due diligence. We're going to give a conditional approval for the transfer of stock. And the town would waive the personal obligation of Dan McKeech and to operate the Cribloonic for 10 years because part of this transaction is being able to preserve the purchase option and that is the part of the lease agreement that is tied to the personal obligation of Dan McKeeche. So we want to hear from you. This is what staff has kind of crafted to present to you tonight. It's not exactly what it says in the packet because we staff feels that it's important to the council to have the final say and not have a final date whereby it goes away. And we also believe that in the long run that that might improve Danny and Gina's success with the business. And those are some timing concerns. We, in discussing it with Dan's attorney, David, we really think that you could get this done in three meetings. But we kind of error or gave you more room and you have a meeting March 2nd. So that would be five meetings and I know you've been talking with all your candidates today about their commitments and their availability for extra meetings. And I think you're going to find Danny and Gina have known what they wanted to do. I mean, I think Gina's first email to me was in September and they understand I think what they need to present to you. Part of it's in your packet here today and you've seen that. But I think they need an opportunity to make a formal presentation of here's why we're the right people to take Cribloonick into the future and make sure that it is you know as great as it can be both for their sake and for you know the sustainability. So I don't know did I miss anything David or do you think I got most of everything? I don't have anything left to say. Okay. And you did a great job, John. Thanks. I do have one question in either one of you can answer any three. My experience with a state of Colorado that you have to file a change in ownership of the data. Has that occurred yet or is have we had conversations with a state of Colorado? I mean for a liquor license or for a career. Oh no, not for a liquor license, but you're changing ownership of a dog's lady's letting operation. Yes, we have been in touch with the, what's it called, PAKFA. It's the PAKFA lady. Yeah, PAKFA lady. The process for notifying them of a change of ownership and they will have a process as well as you to confirm qualifications. Within that, since you've had those conversations, how long will it take for the state to approve that license transfer? I would say within 10 days. 10 days, okay. You've had positive? Yes, they will actually come out and do physical inspection. Okay, okay. See, those are the things. Yes, they will actually come out and do physical inspection. Okay, okay. So you know, it's not a license transfer. It's like a liquor license where you've got a change of ownership and you file a statement of change, but they will come out and do a special inspection. Yes, that would happen if I were doing something with company I run because the health care industry is always interesting, isn't it? So Dave, did you have anything else you wanted to add? Because I have- Actually, we can be very brief. And you know everybody, so I'll skip the introductions. And thank you, John, for a very thorough introduction of what it is that we're asking for. I really do believe that we're on the cusp of a transition away from a troubled past and toward a very bright future for what is truly a unique resort amenity that we need to preserve as best we can. And in getting to know Danny and Gina, I can attest for their commitment, for their desire to bring Criblinic into the 21st century and to make it an amenity that the community is very proud of. We're going to spend a lot of time talking to you about how they're going to do that over January, February, however long it takes and be responsive to all of your questions and concerns. But I do really think that it's important for the community, for Danny and Gina to be in control of Criblinic this winter, not as managers but as owners, as the responsible party. They need to prove themselves to the community. They need to see the, let the community see how they have changed the culture when it comes to the care and treatment of the dogs out there, which are the real superstars of all of this that we are all intent on taking good care of. So we would greatly appreciate the opportunity to do that by having you approve the transfer of ownership on a conditional and interim basis. And with that, you know, Danny and Gina may have some comments and we will certainly hear to answer your questions. You know, Danny and Gina, I have met you, but I don't know if my fellow colleagues have met you, and many people in the community don't know anything about Gina and Danny. Other than what they read in the darn newspaper. So can you speak a little bit about, we're going to take just a few seconds on this cause it's starting to get late, but Danny and Gina, can you talk about what changes you've made and what you see in terms of the future to our community? Well, I think we bring a different light into things as far as having a passion and a love for the dogs and the business and we don't look at it as a business. We look at it as a lifestyle of love, compassion, nature, and community and family. We've raised our kids in this environment, and with the sled dogs, and just has really been an amazing experience for us to just get to where we are right now and to be able to keep moving forward and having this drive that we've had since the day we walked into Criblinic and just keeping that thing, keeping things moving and opening up communication with the whole public, whether it's concerns, there's concerns that could be answered or we can work with the communities and really just make sure Blunik this amazing place that stands out our goal is to be the most elite kennel in the world. That is our goal. And we want things to be just perfect for the community and everything as a whole. Thank you, Dad. Gina, anything to add? Question Nana, I got the other day was the restaurant. Who handles the restaurant and Gina handles the restaurant? That you do the dog. Right. OK, so OK. I'm going to open it with fellow colleagues to speak. Okay. Well, I don't know if you were here during the interviews when I asked a question about what kind of risk a municipal government would be willing to assume. And in listening to John, there is some risk here for the town. And yet when I think about it, the benefit of keeping kabloonic operating and getting you guys in that position of owners, to me outweighs what are the risk of what might happen to the town. It seems to me the town has really a lot of options going forward and the town, I feel the town is secure going forward. So from my perspective, right now I guess I'm in agreement with you that to get you what you need to take ownership of this business and get yourself going. Do you want any thoughts, comments? Yeah, although I haven't met you guys personally, it's great to see you here and I look forward to seeing your operation. I did check in with a number of people in the community who do know you guys very well and you come very highly recommended. In fact, Bob Helm was here earlier tonight and spoke very highly of you and I understand you use his property as a turnaround point. And he says he talks to you guys regularly and he's a big advocate. So, you know, just from my experience with talking with the community, I think you guys have done a great job establishing yourself and building that support. And so, yeah, I'd like to make a motion to grant this. Do I have a second? Sure. Before you do that, I mean, if you could actually direct staff a little bit more clearly as to execute a letter with the provisions that John spoke to, I think that would make it really clear that, I mean, what it's going to do effectively is what John talked about is allow for the transfer to happen so they could execute their business agreement and then you have the flexibility to continue these negotiations over the next several months. Here from the public, here from Danny and Gina and then make a found decision down the door a little bit. So it's kind of, so I guess if I could it would be that it would be to just direct staff to execute the letter as proposed formalizing the support of the conditional approval of the transfer stock. Yeah, acting on staff recommendation to draft the letter. Thanks for the transfer of the stock. Do you want for the transfer of the stock? Pardon? For the conditional approval. To transfer the stock as proposed in the agreement. Yeah, transfer the stock conditional. There's no data on the due diligence process, no deadline date. I've got to do some. There's no date on the due diligence process, no deadline date. But we understand the urgency. You understand the urgency. I want to make, I want to have you make that clear to them that you will undertake this in January and February and we can get a smooth permanent transfer. Because, okay okay go ahead. Okay we have a motion on the table to direct staff to draft the letter regarding the conditional transfer of the stock. That's the first thing we have on the table. I'm going to take a second on that. Second. Nope. Now this is the next part. Are we going to, I want to talk to my two fellow colleagues who are here. Are we comfortable with the January and February date? You get it done? Yeah, I just don't know what else is on the agenda. We don't. You get a January 5th. I mean, January 5th is the date we tend to be discussed today. I believe actually that, I believe that might be a base bill's discussion could be an hour hour and a half and then we'd to try and limit it to a cablinic after that. And what we discussed with that January 5th meeting would be the fill-ups opportunity to present their information to you and let them do a presentation on their full credentials. You guys could take it at that point, give some directions, ask some questions, or we could schedule an X meeting later in January and February and take it at that point, give some directions, ask some questions, or we get scheduled the next meeting later in January and February and take it from there. But I wouldn't see that presentation more than 30 minutes probably to you all. You guys can formulate questions and we can take it to the next step after that. So in staff, will we working with David and Danny and Jean to present concepts that you want to consider? I mean, I know we've all talked about, and you've actually mentioned at Danny and Gina of reducing the actual number of dogs and coming up with, you know, the items are referred to in their business plan. And, you know, talk, discuss, hopefully have that feedback about these release amendments that we want to consider going forward. And if the sooner we can get those to them, they can react to them, you can react to them, and then we can move forward. So that might be part, that'll be their presentation, but it'll also be an opportunity for you guys to give your preliminary feedback about what you want to consider as we go forward so that you can ensure that it can be, as you said, the model, the model sled dog operation in the country or the world for that matter. So they have that opportunity, it's a good opportunity and the town will probably want some changes in the lease going forward. You know, those only apply as long as the lease is in place and they are going to preserve the option. And so we'll be working over the next, the course of the month that we have before that first council meeting on it so that hopefully the process in January and February will be smoother and it's not stuff coming up out of the blue. So. I want my fellow colleagues remember we set the agenda. So if we agree to start January 6th, I don't know that base village might be on there. If you guys can be comfortable with that same or Amy for January and then we'll keep track of the big topics. We'll calendar it appropriately with the assumption that you guys are comfortable as soon as it's reasonable. I mean I am comfortable. John would, if we were to start January 5th, when would the public meeting be? They're all going to be public. This will not be a quasi-judicial matter. This is an indication. So we can get feedback that night from the public as well. Absolutely. I think what we would want to call it is a public meeting and it's always been the tradition of the council and snowmass village to accept people and commenting now. When we get into the quasi-judicial process, it's a more formal public hearing. And I think that's a well-honored tradition because as we know a lot of people come and go from snowmass village even though they're very involved and they can't be here on a certain Monday, but a next Monday they can be. So it won't be a public hearing. It will be what we call a public meeting. Well, I was just concerned that I guess I anticipate a fair amount of public comment on this, and I just wanted to sort of get it as early as possible in the process. So yes. Well, and I tell you, I am visioned that being actually the second meeting in January, I think the first meeting in January will be Dany and Gina's presentation. And then there'll be a presentation, but suggestions from council. And we will put that in the agenda. This is what's going to happen. The meeting where everyone gets to be heard and it might have to be spread over two meetings, the second meeting in January, the first meeting in February, but the kickoff meeting because we might have a huge meeting at day, we'll try and limit that and let people know. Watch this, consider it, come back with your. I don't know how you can comment on it when you first heard any time to digest it. I understand. Yeah. And so that's why I was really asking the question to try to get a sense of this schedule. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So we have a motion on the table that has been seconded. Is there any other further conversation? Dave, Gina, Danny? Thanks. Did you want to make any statement? I wrote the letter to you. Yes, Blant. I'll have Blanty to say Blanty. You want to come up to the mic, Blant, for two seconds? And I truly appreciate your well articulated letter. I think we are all right. Well, I came as a supportive body, which, man meant I didn't think I was going to have to talk. But I think Gina and Danny are wonderful and I've been a big critic of Criblinic for a long time and they've just made amazing changes and I know that they want to keep making changes so I'm all for them. Well, thank you so very much, bland. And I will echo what you have shared from other people. Bob was here earlier tonight and talked briefly here with Bella and I was able to stay for this portion, he's getting a little late. But to be honest with you, I truly appreciate your comments. And one of the, as we go into this vote, one of one of the hallmarks or this village, historically, and the tradition has been to always, you take a little calculated risk right now, the issue becomes one of trusting Gina and Danny to live up to the promises they have. And to trust they will do a good job as we go through this process. And I always love to see operations have an opportunity to improve. And what I've seen so far and read in your documents. This is a process improvement that will only benefit our community, our dogs in the entire dog's letting world. So with that, all in favor? See you. Hi. Hi. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you so very much. Thank you, staff. We're putting a lot of time into this. David, thank you. Thank you so very much. Thank you staff for putting a lot of time into this. David. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Now we are moving on. Here's my agenda. Okay. Whew. Is there any other items to come before Council this evening? I'll ask our Council for comments. I'm just going to do that and see it on the agenda and I may. That's which is there. Are there any council comments this evening Bill? Well nice job to the staff for getting that in and taking care of. I know it was time sensitive and you guys crushed it so nice work. Any comments? I want to thank all the applicants for number one applying in number two and then for coming here and sitting here tonight. It was a long meeting, but I think we have a great pool of talent and I would again encourage all of those applicants to consider taking, joining one of the commissions or boards that have lots of openings if they aren't successful in achieving the seat on council. Thank you very much. I do echo that. What a tremendous pool of candidates. I thoroughly enjoyed the interviews and getting to know people a lot better. So I would encourage our applicants who aren't successful to consider all the board seats. Those applications that's already been posted in the newspaper by Ronda. Those are due on January. What are they do? We haven't done anything. I'm doing the same but I don't know. Okay. Okay. So just watch the postings in the newspaper folks. Tomorrow evening is Trees of Hospice. It's another community event here at the Vice Roy. We invite everyone to the community to come. The vice Roy does a beautiful job. It's free to the community, it's free valley parking. It's a wonderful time to come and celebrate the lives of those we have lost and those we have experienced through the years whether they're four-legged friends or family friends or friends in our community near or far wherever. And I truly encourage you to come. It starts at 5.30. There will be two people speaking tomorrow night. One is Patty Smith, one of our ski instructors who lost her. I'm a lovely husband, Vincent, about five, six years ago now. And another family, a Polygonson who lost her mother, I think this last year, about this. I just a little, I can't remember the exact date. She'll be also speaking and Rhonda will be our greeter tomorrow evening. So it's going to be a great little celebration of life and a good way to start the holiday season. And lastly for those of you who attended last evening down at the chapel, a lot of kids. Oh my. It was just a lot of fun and I never knew a pastor to dress up. Oops I can't get that secret away. I'll leave it there because kids may be watching. So it was wonderful and thank you Kelly for all your promotional work with the chapel and to all the community that came last evening. It's a great evening. So without any further ado, and there's nothing else. Do I have a motion for adjournment? Motion to adjourn. Thank you. Second. All in sport? Aye. For John, Grant. you