Good afternoon. This is the January 4th meeting of Snowmass Village Town Council. It is a regular meeting. Tonight we will have several item on the consent agenda, which is the designation of where public notices are in this town. And then we move into a public hearing regarding wins. This will be the first reading on renovations and expansion of wins, high Alpine restaurant. And then lastly, we'll be a resolution regarding expenditure of funds related to grants. So without further ado, Ronda, Rokal. Butler. Here. Chorkis. Here. Langson. Here. Chink. Here. Good. Here. OK, we're all here. I hope everyone in the public and those watching on TV enjoyed a wonderful holiday season. The town, as we all know, was super busy, even though it was mighty, mighty cold. So I want to thank all the town staff, particularly the snow crew. The plowing crew just worked many, many long hours, making sure our streets were safe. And our police, my goodness, I don't know how many people they pulled out of ditches or the sides of banks and on and on and on. So a special shout out to all the people that make our town safe. So let's move into public comment. Do I have anyone come on up? Thank you, ma'am. Yeah, good to see you. Good to see you. I hear you from Michigan. That would be true, Ann Arbor. Let's see Michigan one. Yeah, that's fair, my intelligence system. Anyway, my name is MZV Zydefer. We're now using your rec center. It's been a pleasure that way. Continuation for me, dealing in terms of the gym system in LA. Well anyway, mentioning the rec system, your rec center. Anyway, I heard a few times or several times, you've tried to get the silver sneaker program and Whatever the reasons are you're told no well look Why don't you ask your citizens to write those who are making that decision? Also why don't you embarrass those who are making that particular decision? There's a hungry young man, I can't remember his last name, but he works for CBS. He's over in now Frisco in terms of television. His first name is Matt. Now, you already know Matt Reno, nine news, right? He gets mass. So if you kind of tag Matt Reno, plus that young Matt who's working for CBS, he's really hungry for news. Let's see what we can do about it. Now, another thing dealing with the Rec Center and all that, you have people who have strokes, et cetera. And there's water exercising programs that you can do. I know like different wives, I know like in Southern California. You have the wife, women's why, you have the men's why, and they have those kind of programs. You need a doctor's note, usually for those kind of programs. I suggest that you institute something like that. Now this is different than the sneaker program. Right, it's very different. But I believe at the same time you can pull in a nice mark and you can still beat out Aspen. Now in terms of beating out Aspen, you have based village. I was here, I spoke about it years back. I asked you to bring in the state of Germany. All right, we're getting new great news or whatever else, investors, et cetera, et cetera. Well look, SkiCo has the lim. All right he's pushing it up in Sun Valley. Sun Valley's business system is screwed trust me. I was calling them from Beverly Hills right now you know trying to make some money. Now what happens is this ski co says if you allow a few allow such a such a thing they will build. I say you can negotiate with the guys. I mean that's a starting point. What you have is that you beat out Aspen when it comes for hotel occupancy. Also when it comes for having your special kind of event meetings you know with what is it? Um, professional groups, right? That's part of your negotiations that you have going, they need that. Right? I mean, so don't worry about that. Sit down, talk with them. Hey, they don't need the rest of base village for that to happen. Now remember, your population is also gotten used to what? Light. I learned that to happen. Now remember your population is also gotten used to what? Light. I learned that in school. I've seen it over the decades since 73. People get used to a lot of things. Alright, especially bad things in a willing that's continued to deal with it. Break it up. Now, the way that you can deal with it in certain ways is Alright, let's put it like this as I mentioned blight Declare it a blighted area in terms of urban blight I'm sure a colovato has some laws like that. You might have some local laws I now if you declare it like that, all right, look, you're not using it that you can. Eminent domain. Well, I hold it, but I have combinations for you. Also, in terms of the blight, if you wanna call it urban renewal, or remember redevelopment is actually urban renewal. Economic development is something different. It's just when you're fixing up an old area, it's called rede the development urban renewal when you're doing something new Then it's economic development also what you can throw in there is the bid bid is business improvement district All right, so that's another thing now another thing that you could look at this area So that's another thing. Now, another thing that you could look at this area. All right, you're looking at it one way, but come on now. These guys have been messing with you for a long time. I'm just about through. You could create, if you want to call it an entertainment district, a night life district. Remember, it's specialization. So like you would have clubs, et cetera, et cetera. You don't have to always repeat the restaurant stuff that goes in there. Think of Beal Street and Memphis, Tennessee. So I'm just giving you some things to deal with. Now if I'm not just suggested, you can do a combination. I know in terms of the admit that Domain might not have enough money to take over everything, but they're not going to win in the courts. It's rare when you do it. So you could do it partial. Well, look, thank you very much for your time. And at the same time, I suggest that you use the media heavily, the national meter, Wall Street, etc., etc. And you will have the benefits because they're not going to try to push you over. You know I push over and you come out of Michigan? Don't tolerate it, thank you very much. Thank you, it was a good to see you again. Any other public comments? We did receive a letter that came from Capitol Peak Lodge, Condominium Association. And with just came in our mailboxes a few minutes ago, I acknowledge that it has come to council and should be entered into the public record. I don't think I see anyone here this evening from the association. So I'm sure all of you will get a chance to read that. And it's in the public record. Rhonda came to you as well, right? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, moving on, consent agenda. Do I have a motion for approval? So moved. Do I have a second? A second. Thank you. We have a motion and a second on the table. Is there any item within the two agenda items that you might want to discuss? I have a question on the, let's see, it's February. The February 8th work session and February 16th regular meeting. I have actually, will be out of town for the 16th regular meeting. I have actually will be out of town for the 16th regular meeting. Is there any chance of moving the work session to the 16th and the regular meeting to the 8th? So I don't miss a meeting don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don. Yeah. Any other discussion? Okay. I have a motion on the table. I have a second. All in support. Say aye. Aye. Signed for those who are opposed. Thank you very much. It passes unanimously. Okay. We're going to move into public hearing and the item clamp this is correct. Number six should be number five, the Gwins. Yeah, this is a land use application. So it should be under quasi additional hearings. It's posted under policy legislative hearings and that was just a typo. So it's considered quasi judicial because it's land use. Okay, and Chase, welcome. Thank you. And do we have anyone from SkiCo or from Gwynns that need to be upfront? Can we open the public room? Yeah, I see who, well, goodness sake, say Kevin see you for long. Well, welcome, welcome. We're going to let you get set up. And as Asman's Dean company sets up, I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing. And those of you who are sitting here in public hearing, this is your opportunity as we go through the presentation and discussion for you to come forth and make comments or suggestions or what have you. This is an open opportunity for all who are here. So are we about good to go? Okay, I'm going to turn it over to Chase. Thank you Madam Mayor. We're here for the first reading of Public Hearing for Special Review of Quinn's restaurant remodel and expansion, which is an approved use in the SNMS Mountain PUD and an associated minor amendment to that PUD with regard to the Mountain Facilities inventory list issued for that PUD on ordinance 2005. So I'd like to introduce the project. Go over some of the core issues. Address some inquiries that were received today and then hear presentation from the applicant. Quins is a ski co-owned tenant lease building on United States Forest Service land within the town of SMS Village, its own recreation and within the SMS Mountain PUD overlay. Notice was mailed out to United States for a service posted at the base of the Gondola and posted in the newspaper. United States for a service letter of conditions can be found in attachment to the staff report. Also, attaching the staff report is PC resolution number nine, 2015, recommending approval with conditions for the project. Three core issues are at the heart of the conditions set forth, restricted housing mitigation, update of on-mountain facility inventory list, and completion of construction management plan. With regards to the first core issue housing mitigation. At the time of ordinance, 2005, Asmiss Gain Company chose a cash and lieu option and paid $791,770 to the town for development at that time, as noted in attachment one. On the staff report, in order to incentivize redevelopment for properties that have paid, which have undergone mitigation for restricted housing. The code allows for 15% increase in square footage without mitigation. Gwen's proposal would increase the total square footage by only 9%. Thereby staying within the a lot of 15% and thus requiring no more restrict the housing mitigation for this project. With regards to the second issue on Mountain inventory list, staff work with the applicant to update the list to reflect the amount of square footage added to Gwins which is 1,718 square feet and the list now reflects the decrease in allowable remaining square footage in building footprint. And it can be seen as attachment for on the staff report. With regards to the third core issue construction management plan referrals were sent out to wildlife division and ton dump lap and environmental consultant to the third core issue, construction management plan, referrals were sent out to wildlife division and Tom Dunlap and environmental consultant to the town. Conditions are outlined in the ordinance requesting specific information regarding outdoor storage of vehicles, materials, parking, trash disposal and containers. And should demonstrate compliance of ordinance number 12, 2007, which was adopted by the town establishing standards and regulations for construction management. All of these conditions must be met at the time of the middle of application for building permit. So those are the three core issues from staff. And today we receive some questions regarding the ordinance and the staff report that I'd like to address before the presentation. The first one being on the draft ordinance line 285. We can see there's a sentence fragment there which was a result of a formatting issue which will be stricken. What page are you on, Chase? It's 49 and 61. Okay, I'll just leave. And it's line 285. So you're taking that all the sections of out all the sections of yes, it's going to be stricken. Secondly, there was question regarding the outdoor storage of materials and equipment. Staff is asked the applicant to address that in their construction management plan. However, it should be applicable to storage of materials of equipment during all season as well. And the parking of snowmobiles during the season at the restaurant. And additionally, as an addendum, we sent out the inventory lists attached to ordinance to 2005 the original inventory lists so that further reference points could be making during those discussions today. So with that we can ask you a question, Chase. So my question was about that outdoor storage thing because it was in the recommendations, but then I didn't see it in the ordinance. So you're because it just said outside trash garbage. It didn't say anything about the vehicle store. That section itself is for, basically for properties that have off-season equipment sitting outside and it requests that an 8-foot tall fence be screened for any materials that sit on-site during off-season. Okay. Since this property has no neighbors or adjacent property, then we didn't address it specifically other than in the construction management plan so that specifically trash containers would be enclosed. Okay. Okay. Who's presenting this evening? A couple of people. David Corbin appearing on behalf of Aspen's Keane Company. I'm Vice President of Planning and Development for this Keane Company. You don't typically see me of late. The last time I was before this body in a formal application sense was with respect to El Camp. And most of you were new to council since that time. So I'm here to represent Aspen skiing company in an official capacity. Victor Gurdon may arrive here shortly. Should there be any questions about the original PUD guide that was approved in 2005 he was coming from the mountain. Also with me Seth Hemalowski from Z group architects Seth is the architect of record for our project and it's his firm that has provided all the materials you will see today. Matt Keeling has been our pre-development pre-construction manager of Summit Construction. Matt is likewise a member of the team. George Gordon, our leasehold operator, who you undoubtedly know from. We know George real well. That's a great job. Gwen's high alpine is a familiar face. And George is here as well. If there are any questions with respect to the operation, should the council have any? If I might, I'd just like to give a bit of brief background on why we're here today and why you see us in front of you. For quite some time, Aspen's Gain Company's had a 10-year plan to improve, upgrade, replace, repair, all of our food and beverage operations across all form mountains. You've seen much of that work here already transformed in the past decade, starting with SAMS, which was obviously a full-raising replace, a slight remodel at Ulerhof, a full-raising replace of cafe Suzanne and a replacement with El Camp Restaurant. And in this case, what's proposed to be a fairly substantial remodel of Gwens, given the age of that building. This remodel is contemplated to be very much like what we did at Merriga Round on Highlands, which was also part of the same 10-year plan. So if you are familiar with that facility and what we did there, we essentially kept the bones of that building. It's form the character, if you will, of the old Marygo round and raised it, knocked everything out and holding the structure of it, rebuilt it and sort of made it new again while keeping the essence of it. That's the intention here at Gwens as well. Gwens, the bones of the building are pretty solid. The structure of that building is fine in all respects. It has to be modified somewhat to meet today's code requirements for load bearing and snow on the roof and so forth. But structurally, it's in pretty good shape. It's far better shaped than cafe Suzanne was, for example. We think that that can be saved and retained in the character of that building, which is unique and fairly iconic for snow mass. We think can be should be saved. So the idea is to go back in and tear the skin off, completely re-skin it, bring new glazing to it. The roofs in somewhat desperate need of repair, we've been fixing it periodically and sort of fits and starts where we've had leaks over the past few years. So the roof will be replaced. And then lastly, we're going to modernize it to make it current with today's standards since it now is, I don't know, 40 years old at this point in time, it's due as a building. So for us, we'd like to do a substantial refurbishment of it, if you will. At the same time, we want to keep its unique character. One of our goals on food and beverage overall is to maintain distinct structures, distinct concepts, sort of distinct feelings in each of our restaurants. I mentioned when we were here a couple of weeks ago with planning commission that some of our competitors, Dear Valley, for example, has very highly regarded Food and Beverage service in the ski industry. But the facilities as nice as they are are somewhat the same, from place to place to place at Dear Valley. We, from our very brand status of power of four, to our individual mountains, to our individual restaurants, want to do something different in terms of how we present our food and beverage. So, Gwenz is not El Camp, is not Sam's, is not Mary Goh round, is not Sunday. We'd hope the quality across all of them would be good and the guest value would be good, but we want each of them to have their own personality. Hence, one of the reasons we want to keep what is kind of, I guess, formative at Gwens, but make it a new again. For us, the purpose and role of Gwens is extraordinarily important. Gwens is our largest restaurant on the mountain, roughly 600 seats, if you look, if you read through that packet. That's a very substantial facility for us, and it's centrally located. Obviously in the history I just described, we sort of started on the west side of the mountain with SAMs and kind of worked our way all the way across to the El Camp side for a variety of reasons with the Gondola and so forth in the prospect of summer and additional summer activities. And now we're back in the center of the mountain. You've seen the first phase of our efforts to kind of remake the mountain with the lift this year. So the idea was do the lift, improve the skiing pod, and very shortly there after follow with an improvement of the restaurant. So all of it together was fresh experience for the guest. Because of that size and the centrality of its location, this deserves fair amount of attention. And so we're doing a fairly substantial job of it. Inside the restaurant, as Seth will go into in greater detail, the basic things that we wanted to do apart from just refreshing the aesthetics of it and finished materials were to update the food service itself, give it a savoury format rather than the older cafeteria line style, preserve the fine dine, but again, improve it. It's our only location now on the mountain with sit-down fine dine, ordered service, very unique offering, unique to snowmess, and very important among all four mountains. So we wanted to make sure we didn't lose that as the serve re-expanded because of its size requirements that pushes Gwen's fine dining slightly out that accounts in large part for the 1718 square feet addition to the building is the widening of the building kind of first and foremost around the survey. That's supplemented by the fact that we wanted to bring the bar, which as you know is down half light from the main level or the entry level if you will, bring the bar up to the main level and most importantly with that bring restrooms out of the lower western basement up to the main entrance level. So at the entrance level, you'd have new survey, you'd have expanded and improved fine dine, you'd have adequate number of restroom fixtures to serve all of the code needs for men and women in the restrooms on the main floor, without having to be, if you will, a Gwen's fine diner, anybody could go in and out of the new restrooms, and the bar and sort of that lounge function would be brought to the main level. And then we could reuse where the old bar was for seating for kind of maybe a slightly different experience in that part of the building. Likewise, shift retail a little bit to give primacy to new entrants and immediate access to all those other critical functions in the building. So internally, those were the primary things we were trying to do with the building and the reasons for what you will see in SESH presentation. And feel free to ask questions at any time if you wish, if you have general questions you would like me to address now. I'm happy to, if not, we'll jump right to SESH presentation Feel free to ask questions at any time if you wish. If you have general questions you would like me to address now. I'm happy to, if not, we'll jump right to Seth's presentation and he can walk you. When would you plan on starting this? I mean, you didn't tell anyone. Well, as soon as the snow is off next year would be the goal. So I should have said that the intention. On this construction. Summer construction with delivery and time for next November's opening is our goal. Sidebar we do obviously have another agency we report to in the Forest Service. We have to go through what they call built environment image guide which is essentially a design review. We have stumbled over that in the past with the first iteration of SAMs and it cost us a year for those of you who recall that. In this particular case, that is resolved. We've gotten our schematic approval from Forest Service already, so I think we're well positioned to finalize that other approval that is required. But yes, Mark, you the intent. Yeah, I just want the listening public to no kind of good question. I neglected it before. Thank you. And I saw Victor come in. I'll you solve the Mount. Hey, Victor. Good to see you. All right. Okay. Seth. All right. Seth. Great. Let's dive into it. So basically we'll start with just some existing images, just as a reminder of what's up there. Look a little different now with all the snow, but but basically this is the south side. Here's your entrance, a little not very seen very well here, but you know this is the iconic roof form that as you'll see as we get into the architecture that was one of the main things we wanted to keep. This is looking down the hill going towards the new lift, looking back up towards Gwent's and then coming from Appin Springs. This is your, getting off the left coming towards the restaurant. I threw this one in here really to kind of just show what Gwen's fine-dine looks like from the exterior. Getting to the interior, this is going to be a pretty critical image. This is that big volume that's in that high space of the main roof. And basically, there's not much we can do about this, but the structure cuts off your view. This is pretty low right in here, and you'll see what we've done to enhance that later in this presentation. This view is from the very top, the mezzanine level. And up here, there's no view out. And as you can see, very little natural light. I believe this is in your packet. This is basically the existing survey. These numbers correspond to the images that are on the next page. So all these kind of go back to that. This starts to tell the story a little bit better. This is the south side. Here's that's the existing entrance right now. You would ski past here to go down to the new lift. You can kind of see the roof plan here. This is the existing main form. The white is the existing footprint. What you're seeing in this sort of tan color here is the additional square footage. This is actually the heated addition. So Gwen's fine-dine. we'll get into this a little bit more detail but restrooms in the bar. What you see in the blue here is the layout of the existing outside deck. In green, this is the addition. So we're expanding outside of the bar but also expanding the deck. And also we're creating two new vestibules. You'll see we actually moved this lower one over and I'll get into that later when we get into the floor plan. And then just by way of code we had to add an existing egress stair off the backside and also we're improving egress here off of a fine dine with a handicap ramp as well. This is the construction management plan. I believe in your packet. This was referred to many times. If you get any questions on this, we can always come back to it. Mac might be better off to answer those. Just by a way of having all the information in here, we have all the floor plans. Really the main level is the one that tells the full story, but this is the existing lower level. So these are your bathrooms now. It is the stair that everyone treks down to use those all the way down on the lowest level. So these are your bathrooms now. It is the stair that everyone treks down to use those all the way down on the lowest level. This is our proposed floor plan. We're doing some finish upgrades here, but for most part that remains as is and those bathrooms will be overflow. bathrooms will be overflow. Coming up to the main level, just a way of reference. There's your entry, so the plan was flipped 90 degrees on the previous one. But basically this is south, you're skiing by here to go down to the new, the new lift, outside deck, the existing outside deck. Here's that sort of main tower that you see inside. The cafeteria is in this area here. Gwen's fine dine. Those are the restrooms that David referred to. Existing bar here, vestibule, vestibule, and the retail. This is actually going to pretty much sum up most of this project just by way of starting with the new server. So the existing cafeteria sat in here and so we've changed it to a server. Get more space. We've pushed it out and by doing so then we've then pushed out Gwens. This red line you see here, the stash line, that is the existing extent of the building as it is now. So there's the addition and then we're actually tearing into this and modifying the fine dining. David mentioned that the restrooms, on this level, will accommodate the entire restaurant and access from pretty much anywhere from this level. The lower level is going to be overflow on those busy weekends. The bar moved from this area, over to this area here, much larger, bigger space, bigger volume, better light, better access out to the exterior deck area. The retail moves over to this location here. We've modified, and I can get into it further, but we've modified the vertical circulation right now. I don't know if anyone remembers, but you've got stairs sort of located in different funky spots, and we've actually stacked all the stairs so that way all our vertical circulation is more efficient, which then allows for more efficient seating in the square footage. Where the existing bar is, this becomes a lounge area here the views off of this are fantastic we can't do much about any head height down here for ceiling however the silt height on the on the windows is very high we're gonna drop that down about 18 inches or so so you're gonna get a lot more light you're gonna get more down-balling view and just a better sort of space in here. The vestibule shifted over. It was located here, which kind of cut right into any kind of the ability to use this space. So by putting it over here, you keep all your circulation close by and allows for a nicer use of the square footage. As I mentioned on the other slide, this is the new deck layout. It expands pretty much to the south here, lower level, main level, and then the grill gets reworked as well. And then by way of code, here is our additional egress stair, egress store, egress stair, and then we've upgraded the egress over here as well. Seth, could you talk a little bit more how the lounge is going to function? Is it just a sitting area? Is our drinks served there or what? Yeah, in Chiamen, Georgia, for a little bit, I'll have it telling you right. But yes, so this is going to be less sort of like cafeteria style seating. It's going to be softer, larger, more cushionier seating, more of a relaxed sort of feel. In this spot right here, it's not shown on this plan, but you'll see it in the renderings. There's going to be a secondary bar that will be put here on times where it's very busy, then you could open up another area there for cocktails and or coffee. Have that about right? Excellent right, excellent. I was paying attention. If I had Ed Markey, if you're familiar with that remodel, we did it merry go round. Just in order of the bar, we likewise put soft seating in there, with the idea of kind of low side tables if you would. And it proved very popular and a good place for people to lounge particularly late afternoon, you know kind of in a almost operate sense before they go down. So this was thought for a similar opportunity and the ability to kind of have a different experience in the building and people could think it might be undersized. Well but again again, it's really sort of in addition to the bar that we've added, if you will. But the hope is that as a secondary seating area, that it was going to offer something new and kind of desirable for the gas. I forgot to mention that this is gonna be a wood burning fireplace as well. So we're kinda keeping that old loggie feel. We're not going with gas here. Okay. Yeah, George is gonna split the wood too. Yeah. I thought I was a little fish with that. George is going to split the wood too. Yeah. I'm not over the finish with that. This is the upper level existing mezzanine. And this is that, the level of the big volume. I had this in here just by a wave of info. You know, for the our proposed were, again, stacking the stairs for better vertical circulation and makes for a better layout and then adding in the egress stairs as well. Getting into the exterior rendering, we had talked about sort of that iconic look of the architecture and the approach to the project was to make this or keep this as the main feature and the addition, which is going to be going in here is subservient to that both in volume, mass, but also in architectural feel. And we also, so you see here, so we kept that in. We added dormers, which will help with the natural light, especially in that mezzanine level. That's right behind here. It'll actually give that mezzanine level of view. It'll open up natural light and view on that slightly lower level of the dining. One thing the building doesn't have right now is really kind of any entry statement. So we've worked on trying to create more of a welcoming feel here. This is the exterior of the bar. So the bar is meant on nice days to be able to flow out, but this door is not meant as the main entry. This is basically for when things are nice out you kind of go coming and going and create a connectivity. This is that south side and again the dormers that are being added up at the roof along the west side as well. One of the comments that you've probably saw in your packet from the Forest Service was they were concerned about how stark this was with the building hit the ground. So we're going to be adding landscaping in here as well. We're actually working on that right now. You see here the deck expansion. There's the entry back here. And the idea is we're adding stone. You'll see that throughout. That's exterior, both interior. So we're cladding the tower and stone. The entry has a stone wall piece. The... Let me go back one here. This is the... The fireplace that you saw on the floor plan that's cladded in stone. And then we have some other accent walls that you'll see when we get into the interior that we're bringing the outside materials in, keeping the exposed wood finish that stays inside and outside as well. This sheet here basically starts to get into what I'm talking about with the materials. The stone, our goal is to make it feel indigenous to that small valley. So it looks like the stone came from right outside the door. We want to keep the soft tones, tans and browns, keep it earthy. We have some some light greens that we're also going to have on the interior, but for most part the strong materials are going to be the stone and the wood. Here's a rendering from the interior. So this is right when you walk in the main entrance. This is sort of the view. You right away get a shot of the bar and then also the entrance to Gwen's fine dining. And then also the entrance or access to the survey. And as I had mentioned, we're trying to sprinkle some of the exterior materials such as the stone throughout. So you see a little bit here, here, and then some other spaces. This next one is if we're on the other side of the bar. So we were just standing here looking through. Now we're on the other side of the bar. Here is the fireplace, Gladden Stone. Some more stone that actually goes inside outside. New bar, heavy woodtop finish. Fixed seating around with some smaller stool type seating to be able to be moved for gathering. We're looking at some steel accents on the bar and in other locations. This is a view if you were to walk right into the fine dining. Again we're doing a shed roof. We're kicking this up to create more volume, more natural light, more view, keeping with the existing architecture of exposed timbers and glue lambs and we're including some some steel accents and detailing. This view is when you start to make your approach into the servery, better lighting. Unfortunately, we can't raise the ceiling and the roof in here. It is what it is, but we're trying to lighten up as much as we can. And this one kind of tells the story of what we're trying to do with the dormers. So if you remember back to the existing image, I showed you upstairs actually looking in the other direction this is that piece of structure here the header that we can't move. So that stays there which you can tell by this guy here is kind of clipping off the view. But by popping up dormers here and on the south side we get a lot more natural light. Even though you're not seeing mountains, you've got view, you've got blue sky, you'll have snow when it is snowing. And then this is a shot from where the existing bar is now. This is the lounge. This is sort of that bar that overflow bar I was talking about where there'd be coffee, hot chocolate. When it's busy, this could act as a secondary bar. On this level, as well as the upper level, the sill height for these windows is pretty significantly higher than this. We're driving it down about 18 inches. So now you don't have much of a, you still get your view of the sky clipped. However, when you get closer, you have view down value views of skiers, the mountains, and that sort of thing. So you're getting more natural light in here as well. And that concludes the PowerPoint Questions Start over here, you know mine on un facilities Fresh in my memory George maybe we're no longer on a septic you're tied into the main Correct so so so you don't have to worry about how many people and how many restaurants you're going to be. No, I don't improve because we won't have to grind and pump from the downstairs bathrooms. George, you want to make? You get to a mic. Come on. You come to the side. You can prefer a second house. So Honda says so. No, question was I know the lower floors and I know some of the mechanical nightmares you've had there. You know, I know that. And so the downstairs bathrooms you're going to upgrade, they'll still remain for stalls in the man and five in the ladies and whatever you're doing upstairs obviously that's going in gravity but I'm trying to see if this upgrade is going to help you mechanically. No because those gases come from a grease trap which is exterior from the building outside. And we've had it every time there's a low pressure system, it seems we have odors up there. We don't know how to fix that. So we kind of need to address that. Don't we? We're plumbers, you should know. I do know of that. I said, I feel your pain. I know what you guys deal with up there. So I mean, when there's an inversion, just like you say, you know you're getting close to the restaurant, it's not food you smell, okay? So I believe with the shedroops, it's going to improve that, because it's going to sheet it off. I think a lot of that order comes up, settles into that roof and there's no wind flow, and just sets there, and overflows off of that dam. But I don't know, I'm not a plumber. I believe that with the new bathrooms, the new construction, I'm hoping it'll be better than the venting out of the existing bathrooms. I don't think that's going to help you venting, but I mean, I'm just kind of, I think we need to address some type of charcoal filter systems in your venting system to- We tried that. I know that ULLAF had problems within for years too. We found we had better luck by putting heat tape in the vents to make sure they were clear of ice all the time that they would ice up and cause venting problems. So I mean I just on the mechanical side I have just one of my big questions to make sure you weren't on a septic anymore and the venting We've never been on a septic. It's always been directly tied to the sewer. So what about the heating system? How How is this going to help? I mean is this been addressed maybe Seth knows? I know and did you have him do you you have mechanical engineer involved in this now? Yes, yeah. The existing heating system is a base board. I know exactly what it is, correct. And George has been putting band-aids on the system for years, and underneath blends, and everything else. And so are you redoing the boiler system? Or? Well, a portion, all of it in here, this is all going to be brand new, actually even in the, even in the, uh, survey. The system as far as the lines go in the, the existing dining, those will remain be repaired during construction. So you're going to leave baseball along that wall? That is correct. Okay, so under are you going planning on adding fan coils or something for under the fine dining? So you have more of a you have a hydronic system to begin with. Are you planning on? As a you how are you going to add to that system? As of right now we're not adding any fan coils. We're doing beast work. I think George it's always been kind of cool in there. You've struggled for a linear footage on BTUs. Not since you fixed it. As soon as you fixed it and we got rid of all that, the radiant heat that had the bad tubing that was recalled. You had it entranded. When you replaced that we've had warm rooms ever since. Oh, you never told me that. That's good, I believe. But I know what the system's like. And I mean, you're doing such cosmetic beautiful things to it. I think the building itself, you talked about, David, you talked about how structurally sound it is, but I think I really believe you need to upgrade the mechanical system a little bit because I know what George, it's kind of like that Christmas story movie that the guy goes down the furnace and takes a hammer and starts beating it. And that's kind of like what George does to keep that system going down inside there in the basement. So I hope you're going to be doing something mechanically to improve the system. One other thing that will help with the heating is we're upgrading all the insulation. So all the insulation roof and walls will be brought to code. The windows that are in there now, at least in the big volume up here. Oh no, oh there we go. These are all single-p pane windows. So we're replacing all the windows. So the building, the envelope will, it'll work a lot better than what it does now. The heat loss out of there is pretty substantial. The main thing that they're going to do though is provide still makeup error. He did makeup error. Which we do not have right now. And if you walk into the building early morning, we first walk in, it's just warmest host. As soon as we turn on our hoods and fans, it sucks all that hot air out and it comes right in that entry. You stand there and it's just freezing. They're now adding in a tempered makeup error unit. When they first came to us, they asked us what we wanted. The very first thing were bathrooms on the main level, because every one of you hates walking up and down it, and we do too. We wanted more insulation and a warmer building, because we'd been struggling with it for a long time. And every single thing that we asked for in our list, they put into these planes. And one of the big things was the heat and with makeup air it almost completely solved the problem of drafting all that cold air in through the doors and the hoods go on. Thanks George. I have some questions and I'm not sure if these are for Chase or if these are for Georgia or Georgia, but my first question is who has responsibility for fighting a fire at Gwynes because well, George, go ahead. I think you got that answer. I know. Well, in terms of responsibility for fighting a fire in which sort of circumstance. If there were to be a fire at the restaurant, who is a responsible party? Well, obviously, first response is probably in the kitchen. I mean, as you know, it's only a winter operation. It's not a summer operation. So for us in operating conditions, probably the biggest risk is indeed kitchen fire. In those kinds of situations, there have ancill systems for grill and mechanical areas. And first response, if you have immediate fire, probably going to have to be staff. Beyond that in winter, it's quite clear nobody gets there. So the first and foremost fire concern is just to make sure that we can get people out of the building and fire regress is provided for as it is in these plans. Well the building isn't currently sprinkled and it's not planned to be sprinkled. It's not contemplated to be sprinkled, that's correct. What is the basis for not sprinkling it now while you're going in there and doing everything else? Essentially, because it's such a kind of major undertaking to go ahead and add sprinkled systems and create a tank and do all of the other necessary things pumps what have you for that structure to do it for an old structure and try to tack it on into the building. We decided again risk of fire is really limited seasonally. It's probably most oriented towards a kitchen fire. That we think there are adequate protections in the building or in and above the grills for. And we would have people there when we would expect that to occur that could immediately address it. Beyond that, from our perspective, we look at this as a building where, again, get personal life safety, let people exit the building. If the building burns, that's what we have insurance for. OK. I got it. The other, and then another question, this may come back to Chase, I think, to start with. Chase in the planning commission resolution, under, well, it's on page 40 of the packet, under the section, under the conditions section during construction. There's a statement there, item number two, in order to meet phasing schedule and completion date of fall 2016. Well, I didn't see a phasing schedule in this packet. Is there one? Or what does that phasing schedule mean? The phasing schedule was a review standard and the fact that it's going to be handled all in one season was enough adequate information to put into the resolution at that time. There was some comment about asking for if the phasing schedule were to go or if there was any work stoppage. It was one of the review standards as well and it would be to ask the planning director for extended time during the day or extended days during the week to meet the phasing which was one season this summer and then to also allow for completion of landscaping to be in 17 spring of 17, okay, so Essentially it's essentially it's a one-season construction phase, and then a second finished landscape situation. Correct. Thank you. That's all I have for now. OK. Bill? Oh, first of all, it looks great, guys. I think you've done a nice job with this. There's been a lot of talk about the bathrooms. I think one of your slides there had kind of a stone entryway is that Yes, so basically this wall here is clad in stone and then we have an accident wall. That's right here in stone as well You're wondering where it was in the illustration. Oh, yeah, I mean, I noticed the stone Instruction you're going back, it was kind of the entry to the end, I think. Yeah, let's see that first time. I guess it's this one here? Yes. Right. So that's the entry right there in the stone, correct? It's just past, actually. Yeah, this is actually access to some back of the house space. The restroom actually is right around the corner here. This, in our side zone, show any signage. The signage actually will be pretty problem. Right, and the doors going outside of the bar is that those are to remain open, similar to next to the bar at L camp or locked. Well, I'd probably defer ultimately to George from our perspective on the design side, the intention was to allow the operator to open them or close them depending upon outside temperatures, but the idea would be depending upon suitability and weather that you could go directly from bar to the outside deck. But it kind of George and Gwen's call is to wear or wear how that would happen. And as far as the wood burning fireplace is new, is that a, I mean, I would imagine that's gonna help with the heat as well. Is it designed for heat or more for ambiance? It'll do both. Yeah. We're not relying on it for heat though. It's not the building's temperature performance isn't dependent upon the fireplace. I would say it's ambiance is perhaps more pronounced there than its function. But yeah, you'll certainly get immediate warmth off of it if you're close to it in the bar. Right. Yeah, thanks. Hello, Sue. I just have a couple questions. Bar area, still serving food. So similar to what exists now. More food than what we're serving right now. Okay, that's good. Because I feel like that for people is like a great addition to a well good, you know, think about your restaurant compared to some of the other ones. And the bar area, it seems kind of similar to El Camp in terms of how it looks like the stools. Is it that same type of like with the steel on the stools, yes? Well, I think it depicts us as somewhat similar because of the stone accents. Obviously, if you think about how camp we likewise brought stone in, wrapped it around the entry and right into the bar itself. This, in essence, is kind of carrying that same idea forward the stone you would see as you enter and it would carry into the bar. I don't think there's anything particularly sacred about this particular choice of seating, for example, these are seats for illustrative purposes. We haven't selected the final seats, for example. Again, to go back to sort of first premises that I described before, the hope here would be to show something that was indeed distinct or personal, carry the personality of the operators and have its own character. So to the extent that we can vary it from LCAMP in terms of finished detail, that will be one of the aims to give it its own character. Okay. And similar to L-CAMP is the deck area going to have that loungey seating or is it just going to be straight tables? I don't know that we've got a particular answer for it. We've talked about having a variety of tables and or some soft seating or say a chest type lounge or whatever haven't really determined exactly what that exterior seating would be. It seems to do well. I mean, at L-camp it's always very exciting. Yeah, people are... I think people use that L-camp seating a lot that's proven to be very successful given the sun and kind of the protection of it. One of the goals here indeed because of the southern exposure of this building by moving the bar up and giving it this prominent southern face if you will at entry level. It does afford the opportunity for that to be a very alive space and in the sun and in good weather again circulate freely and allow for that kind of lounging and use and what have you. So I think the intention is very similar but again I think we'd like to execute it slightly differently here. And is the seats are the same? So it's still 600 seats and so- Yeah, we're still holding about 600 seats. Again, with the slight expansion of the building, we've actually gained a little space in the building. Certainly, some of the seats have swapped and moved around as the bar has migrated and so forth. But the intention is to maintain the seat count and the capacity as the bar has migrated and so forth, but the intention is to maintain the seat count and the capacity of the facility. And on the illustrations of the inside, it didn't really show where the retail or what that might look like, but I mean, is it going where those boot here are things are right now? Right? So how, I just am trying to understand how that sort of looks when you're inside. Like, is it, I mean, are there walls? Are there not walls? There it is. Yeah. Yellow. Yeah, we actually, you're right. We don't have an illustration of this, but for the most part, we're enclosing this with glass. So this is going to be very see-through. It's in a spot where you get better light coming in natural light. So you're, as you walk past, there's going to be a big sliding door that's going to be open most of the time. And like I mentioned, the glass here as well. So it's going to be very, you'll be able to see right in. Yeah, that looks nice. I just didn't, I was just curious what the material is going to be. And then my last question is about the survey. In the center, I'm assuming that there's people working on the inside, but on the things on the outer side, is it more of like, serve yourself or there's people working behind a counter? When should you just describe it going around a few words, sir? Yeah, staff. Yeah, sure. Yeah, so there will be people behind here. This is your salads and soups. So as you're walking around, you've got somebody helping you. Over here, same thing. You'll have staff behind here. This is, and same here, you've got the grill and the fries and all that along here. This side here is dessert, drinks, coffee, and that's what I think this is kind of more that you serve yourself kind of space. Okay, that was it. I have a question, David. In terms of the relationship between SkiCo and Gwyn's. I would assume that the lease has terms on the lease. Yes, the lease says until I think fall of 2020, so they have five more years of operating under the current lease. And what is the game plan after that? We actually don't have a game plan after that. Well, I think one of the challenges game plan after that. We actually don't have a game plan after that. Well I think one of the challenges, I don't think it's a challenge, it's not a fair statement. One of the unique things about Snowmass is the uniqueness of when, in George, they've done a fabulous job up there. It's very iconic and just the notion that we may lose that five years from now is very concerning. I mean, ski co-restaurants or ski co-restaurants, yes, there's a stamp of a little bit of difference, but at the end of the day it looks like the chili soup all comes from the same place, the same recipe. So, and that's kind of the unique feature we hear from guests about the amyons and the quality of the food egg winds. So five years from now we would hope as a town and community we would not see a change in terms of ski co all of a sudden deciding it's going to be one of their restaurants. The subject came up sort of directly and somewhat obliquely in front of planning commission and at the time you know my answer was the same. We really don't have a particular plan nor have I asked Georgian Gwen how they want to work. We're not going to have to ask them. I was just going to retire but I don't think I can speak to them on that part. But I certainly hear and understand the concern. And one of our goals here was indeed to retain the name, to retain the personality of our operators. And for as long as that relationship wanted to continue, that's the plan. We really do not have a plan beyond it. And I imagine that as we approach the end of that term, then we'll sit down and decide what do they wanna do, what about successors if they choose to retire, whatever the case may be at the time. I think it's just an open question and we appreciate and expect that discussion to take place when that time is right. OK, we'd hate to see. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, stand up. Yeah, you got to come up front. It's been 36 years now, which is phenomenal. I just want to go, who would have ever guessed? But we love it, and we're fortunate enough that we have a daughter that I think loves it even more. And I watch her running around there with the energy that I used to have. I love our menu, I love our wine list, I love so much of our staff has been there 33, 32 years and it's, it feels really good. And in talking in the past to both Mike Kaplan and Rich Berkeley, they've said as long as you want to continue, we'll have you there. And Steve Soule has expressed the same thing. So it does remain to be seen, but I feel really good that I have Whitney by my side. She's wonderful. Because she's got the energy to do it. She's so. Anyway, but it's been great working with these guys. I have to say I've been really impressed with Dave Corbin, his attention to everything and willing to listen to what we really want to do as operators and to have a much more with the server-y style, an expanded menu rather than a very limited menu. And I think we've achieved that and still to keep the size of twins in the fine dining small enough that we can really control it and keep the quality up. But you guys have been absolutely great and it's been, I wouldn't say easy, but trying to come up with the compromises that will ensure that the building still maintains a lot of that mountain logic feel, but is updated. It needs it desperately. So we're very excited about this project and moving forward. So these guys have been great. Thank you very much Gwen. Mayor, not a Mayor. I saw one thing that I would like to just ask about. Okay, thank you. Seth, you had a slide up there before this one that was the exterior that showed the deck. What are the renderings? Yeah, one of the renderings that showed the deck. And the way, yeah, that one, the way that looks, it appears as if there is entrance and exit to the lower part of that deck. And I guess my question is, is that going to be the case because it certainly makes egress into the building easier and provides an additional option which I think would be a value. Yeah, this actually doesn't show it fully correct. It actually shows the guard rail continuing here. This piece is removed. We won't have a guard rail here. So you'll be able to ski up and come in at this level and on this side here, but also on that lower level, you'll just ski right up to here and go straight into. That's great, we're that long, don't you think? And there's the ski racks. Well, there'd be ski racks, yeah, little blue. Yeah, that's ski racks, but I'm just thinking of going down on the sand. Yeah, no, you, as, where's the snow? Yeah, where's the snow? Yeah, where's the snow? As slope falls, Marky, yeah, we can rack at the lower level as well as the upper level. Interestingly enough, what you see this year with the work Victor's done in terms of regrading, as you ski in front of that building, you sort of get a premonition, if you will, of how we can approach this building and the deck and its next incarnation. And so far we've been very pleased and have gotten pretty good feedback on the approach to the building and the deck and the new racking system, if you will, right now. So I think in terms of racking and circulation, too, and from the facility, I think grading and site work associated with the new lift has proven to be good and as the building itself is redone. I think that circulation again, two and from in and out of picking up skis boards, what have you, I think will work very smoothly. Overall, I love what you've done. I think the design really has contemporized the building and it's really great. I guess I need to kind of change the subject and move away from the building as such, because it appears that they're in the ordinance and in this application. There's a discussion about the number of square feet of commercial, of spate, of buildings that can be built on the mountain. And you've provided a chart as well with a number of figures that- Is that from today or from- Well, this is from the original one. Okay, okay, okay. We're going back to the original one. You've got 96,800 roughly square feet of unbuilt, if you will, facilities. Correct. I'm having a problem with how you get to that number. So today, I asked Chase if he could send out the 2005 PUD guide with that inventory. So as I understand the situation we have three inventories. Well maybe four. We have a pre 2005, a 2005, a 2010 and a current inventory, a 2015 inventory. So the first part of my confusion comes from footnote number three in the packet today with the chart that you, it says there was 54,347 square feet added between two thousand between 1994 and 2005. So I've got, I don't, I feel like I don't have a solid footing on where we're at. Dave, and, and, and then it kind of goes on, it kind of goes on from there. Right. But I was trying to make some reconciliation out of this and I had a really hard time. Yeah. I'm not surprised it was hard. It's been hard for all of us. I've asked Victor to attend tonight to speak to kind of the origin of that. The basics of it are essentially prior to 2005, we had a certain amount of square feet that were considered to be still permissible in unused square feet And then and I think that was 93,117 and then we were given another I think 120,000 of square feet Over and above that 93 and with any change to the mountain and any new projects that have been brought before council or you know considered for approval we have then added or taken away the square footage associated with those buildings when we've brought a new building on you know for example if we were to remove a lift shack, that's a structure, it's in that list, it comes off. If we were to add 1,718 square feet here, then that's added on. So the list and the accounting for it is a mechanism that was created with staff after 2005 because it was so complicated to try to keep track of it and to understand it. So each time we've had an application, we've done these sorts of reconciliations, if you will, adding and or subtracting to this running total that's always dynamic of how many feet are on the mountain today and how many are left yet to do. So there have been several iterations at each point where we've had approvals. They've been presented in this sort of format considered and then approved at that time and then we've jumped then to the next project with a new version, if you will, in an updating. So that's been the process and sort of what we've done. I'd have to ask Victor if he could comment on the origin of that and the square footage you described with respect to the 2005 PUD versus that other footnote because I can't really answer. Before my time and I just simply don't know person. I understand. Hi, Victor. And I'm not going to shed a lot of light on it either. But I think it started in 1994 with ordinance 9 to 94 when there was going to be a bunch of development in the Alcampair and top of Burnt Mountain, et cetera, et cetera. And so at the time, council decided to cap things and came up with an arbitrary 120,000 square feet of total square footage for the whole mountain. And as David says, you know, 2005, 0205, the ordinance and the worksheet and the PUD amendment went through the whole process and kind of took what it was before 1994, took what was approved in 1994, what changed between 1994 and 2005. And I mean, I would have to look at the numbers that you're talking about, you know, between what you saw and the paper. But one of the big ones, for instance, is that the Sam Zahbrostram is significantly, the existing one is significantly smaller than the original one. And so there goes 10,000 square feet right off the top. So, but like I said, David kind of explained everything that we've been doing. We've been trying to keep it running total on this thing. And Chase had even asked for, is there a way to get a full spreadsheet that kind of shows every square inch of a building space that has been added or changed or deleted or whatever since the beginning of time? And I don't think anybody wants to see that spreadsheet. So that's why, for my sanity, for our sanity in the planning department, we kind of finalize that and kind of ask for the trust level to kind of say, where we been before this is the kind of for on this new sheet. I mean, we can go back and generate all those numbers, if necessary. But what I'm trying to do is keep this simple so we can kind of keep it moving forward. But even like I'm looking at situation here, this is just an example, okay, under the lift operator houses. There's nothing in 2010 for high alpine top. Now, the high alpine was operating in 2010. But then you took it away between 2010 and 15, as you should because it was moved. All right? I think you're double dipping. I think that if you should include the square footage in 2010 because it existed and then you take it away in 2000 and the next grouping because then it goes away. All right. So as you've done now, you've given yourselves 140 square feet of extra facility, which in fact, I don't think is realistic. I think that one canceled the other out, because it was there at one point, and then it was gone. And those were two different inventories. I can say without any permission. So, again, I don't know how, honestly, I don't know how important And that was gone. And those were two different inventories. Right. And I can see without looking at the machine. So again, I don't know how, honestly, I don't know how important this inventory is in terms of how important it is to get an accurate number. So maybe that's a question, Chase, I've got to throw to you. How important is it to get an accurate number in this inventory? Well, I'm looking at a high-alpine top. Here I see a negative 140 square feet and then an additional 120 rebuilt in 2015. So it looks like it's counted for It's in fact 20 feet smaller It's counted for. It's in fact 20 feet smaller. So I think they're doing a pretty good job with FEMA. Well, then look at the high Alpine bottom. OK? Now, there was a high Alpine bottom in 2010. But there's nothing listed there. Did it stay the same square footage? 240 square feet. I mean, you know, I acknowledge that these are not big numbers. Sure. But my point and my question, because I don't know the answer. My question is, how important is it to have an accurate inventory? Well, it all adds up, obviously, the 240 square feet and other lift operations. And that was a discussion we had too, how important is it that we account for all the different ancillary buildings and outbuildings and things that necessarily don't have a large impact on the beauty itself. Yeah. Victor, did you move the old iAlpine bottom and keep it a ski patrol? That's what the note says here, because it's above there. So it looks like they kept that to the 186 square feet somewhere. Correct. And what we did in the time that we created this sheet here, we were going to leave that because the high-alpine motor room, if you will, the concrete structure that's affectionately referred to as the bunker by the ski patrol, that was removed. And as part of a deal for them to remove, we were going to keep the old high-up high and bottom lift shack, the operator shack, for storage for the patrol. But at sometime after the fact, between Mike and executive staff and everybody, let's clean it up. Let's make it look nice. Let's get rid of it. So, so that building came off the off the hill after after the creation of this application, we actually took that out. So, and the next took another 200-86 feet off. In the next iteration of this one, that will be accounted for. And another spreadsheet. Believe me, there are any number of other examples. So, I don't need to go into. So we should go back to your 30,000 foot question. Best is, what are the importance of these numbers? That's right. I don't know if Chase wants to answer that. But maybe David does. I'd certainly be happy to comment on it, because we went through this at Outcamp, and Chase was to chase the Neftar to do it. Then Jim Wallstrum did it then with our staff. And Victor did it again recently for the high-alpine lift. And here we are again doing it one more time for Gwens again. And we are. You can kind of go down the rabbit hole of 140 feet here for that lift shack or 286 for that storage or what have you Where net net at the bottom line we still got nearly 97,000 square feet of allowable additional Footage if you will on the mountain so we're still well within the original constraints that were defined for within the original constraints that were defined for the PUD, if you will. So there really isn't a question or an issue in terms of are we compliant or not? We're really pretty obviously compliant. But we too would welcome a simplification of the treatment so that we don't have to go through this every time and staff doesn't. I can't speak to what the prior Council's real concern or the genesis of the 120,000 on top of what was pre-existing. I don't know what led to that concern or that limit. I'm happy to essentially at some point in time if preferable, stipulate with staff to a particular existing status quo and then look at it all going forward against that limited number so we're not always looking back at it. I'm perfectly fine with doing that to make this easier. Our accounting for it is just an effort to respond to the prior documents. It would appear to me back to your question and the 30,000 puts question. If it makes sense to do something, then we need to work it through together to play through 110 square feet here and 240 minus and 86 here because you got to make them out and work. So adaptability is, to me, the most important part of this, how do we adapt to provide the changes that are necessary as our audience changes, as new lifts are created, how the mountain skis, new areas coming online, and I assume that will eventually happen up on burnt. I mean, adaptability seems to me to be the bottom line here. And I think it's a brain drain to try to go through the ines and the outings of the score sheet. I might suggest we did talk about that with Chase in the course of preparing for this hearing. And we'd be happy to sit down and figure out how to deal with that. We thought that the logical place to do it was at a future amendment to the PUD guide. We're not here asking for something new. We're just trying to conform in this with a material change in the exhibit to amend the PUD guide. If we want to address that question substantively of how might we create a different standard, I'd suggest we do that in a subsequent discussion with staff, come up with an immutually acceptable amendment to the PUD guide on how to address it, and then set a new standard going forward. I think that would be a direction to staff. Well, Victor, while I got you there, and you look so tall, stand in there. And Dave, for both of you, in regards to lead in green building, has anybody talked about such great, you have on that rendering right there, is this perfect spot for some solar panels and has anything been discussed in regards to green building and for solar at all. We haven't talked about solar. We have talked about in terms of green building some of our kind of desired outcomes if you will again mostly looking at building envelope integrity and mostly looking at building envelope integrity, quite a bit of glazing replacement improvement upgrades in glazing indoors, in how the building seals and in closes make up air was discussed before. We also have talked quite a bit about added insulation and kind of improving the efficiency of the envelope itself, greatly increasing the our values in the building as it is. We haven't gone to solar or some of the more. I know how expensive solar is. But on the electric side, it's worthwhile as opposed to the hydronic side. You've got such a great south facing roof right there. I don't know why somebody didn't bring it up for the green side. For this key company to be so green and be so proud of Elk Camp as a leads certification on that project but you are. I run it now. Sometimes the forest service shuts us down on those kind of things because of reflectivity. And you know, we'd have to go through that. That's one of the reasons. But that's not necessarily the reason it hasn't been brought up. I understand they would make us jump through those extra hoops for sure. Right. I'm just kind of curious why that hasn't been brought up. Well, again, we looked at envelope as our best opportunity there as opposed to additional systems. Better or worse? Better or worse? I agree with Billy. I mean, I mean, everything, everybody who knows that restaurant, it looks, it's a great improvement. And it looks great. And I think I'd like to see a little bit more mechanically done to that building because I know what that building is like. I mean, because it's all about cosmetics right here. Right. Are we any other questions? Anything from the public? Any questions? I have a question about, so so basically everything's getting pushed further to the south here with ski racks here in the lower access, which pushes ski or traffic further uphill as well, right? I don't really anticipate ski or traffic changing much from what you see today. That the extension of the deck, if you will, isn't going to be so far to the south as it really pushes that ski trail any farther. The circulation Victor put in this year is finished. I mean, that's finished grade in terms of that ski pass, if you will, or the way to ski around and down to the lift. So I don't anticipate that we'll adversely affect that ski circulation at all. And it doesn't bother me as I'm usually on skis, but my friends who are snowboarders who try to make that traverse have mentioned it to me. Has there been any consideration to putting a trail behind the restaurant? to putting a trail behind the restaurant? Well, I'll let Victor speak to it. It actually steepens very abruptly right behind the restaurant. If you think of how quickly that hill falls off and you see great on that west side, it will be a fairly steep drop coming down. I don't know if Victor wants to come in. What's your recipe talking about, Fred? For getting from the restaurant to Logan, Kevin? From Alpine Springs to the High Alpine Chair, around over the top of the restaurant. Right. And that, well, I guess it's still, I mean, the fact that the bunker's gone now. I mean, you ski straight through that area now where you have to go downhill on around that structure before. So right now, I think the egress from top of eight down to the new high up, I live to actually better, but I didn't think of it in the context of snowwork. Do you know what percent slope you've got across there? It's probably bumps and rolls, I mean, but I think we can kind of look at it, but it's got to be close to six, probably six percent, at least. It's not eight, which is a preferable first no more. And you know, Stephen, I've talked about cutting a road, cutting a traverse around below the restaurant, but that would be a road. That would be, that would be not a ski slope. And if we were to clear out some trees and so on, we'd have to go through the approved process with the forest, which was as well to do that. So that's not, I mean, I was surprised I was steeped that I'll drop south back there. Yeah, it does. It goes, I hope, but it's a great. See, if, you know, we'll look at it again and see if that makes more sense Not now that you can kind of go straight across from the top of Alpine Springs through the Lord being traveling I think it is better. Yeah, it used to be tougher I can't say anecdotally this past Two weeks with my son. I went through there. He's a snowboarder and he found no problem From the unload of the Alpine Springs lift to traverse across and get to new lift. So again, sample of one. But in his particular case, he didn't find that that was difficult to traverse. So it seemed from my perspective, it seemed to work. I think the issue is because I was working at the map, but Alpine Springs the other day, is if they stop stop at the map it becomes more difficult to get momentum. If they stop up high enough and go it's just the people that come to the map then I see them like trying you know with their hands on the ground trying to pedal their way across. Okay that's a good observation I haven't seen that. Well if you weren't standing at the mat for four hours, you wouldn't know either. So you know where you're going. You're going to the mat for a while. Any other questions? Thank you. And no questions from the public. Any other questions from council? Staff, are we prepared to begin to move through the resolution? Do you want to do it line? Well, do I have a motion for approval of resolution number, ordinance number one, series of 2016? A motion to approve. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion? Bill. Are we going to go through it? No. No. Are we going to go through it? No, we can. Let's go. I guess coming back to the question that we provide some instruction to staff and the applicant to discuss this and come up with an agreed upon something agreed upon. sure that we can then let's see where he is. It's on pay it's on its line 106 to 115 on of the ordinance In fact, it's a line with one oh nine is a 120 then it it goes down until line 110, 98,000. And then the balance is on line 12. Within that section, Julianne and Chase, could we rework that in terms of the staff would come back that in terms of the staff would come back after meeting with SkiCo to design a more simplified process. I think we could go with a number, but this whole spreadsheet stuff is mind boggly. Would you like to have a total of each of the subcategories? In other words, lift checks. 5,000. Oh, that's a good idea, John. Restaurants. Yeah. What a 2,000 square foot. Yeah, I was going to say we want a number, you know, so I want to make sure that I understand what your concern is. Your concern is not the actual number that we work off of. It's just to simplify the spreadsheet is what you're going to be. Simplify yes because I anticipate that there'll be movement of other shacks on the mountain over the next few years. Who knows exactly what will happen up on BERT over the next few years. David, maybe you remind us, is there language in the PUD guy that allows for some flexibility for staff to do some approvals in the maneuvering of the square footage at all? Yeah, I honestly don't remember I haven't gone back and reread that PUD guy. I mean, that's one method to kind of make it a little less, less onerous. Yeah, exactly. So. The beauty guide itself was somewhat generalized. I mean, the format of this accounting, if you will, was indeed staff and applicant created. So we sort of created our own monster in terms of the Excel spreadsheet. But I guess what I would prefer or my offer is I would like to keep the language that's in that sub-paragraph too, just so that it's clear that yeah, we are conforming to the rules that exist today as we know and understand them. I certainly would have no objection and would encourage addition of language that might say recommended that staff and applicant subsequently review the methodology of accounting for square footage on the mountain and address it at a future date. I'm happy with anything like that added to this. And develop a simplified process and I thought John had a great idea in terms of categories. I'm certainly would be fine with that, but I do want the record that yeah we are conforming with what I have to. I would not change this finding whatsoever I would go to in your conditions when you talk about post construction. You would add one that says upon completion of construction applicant and staff shall create a new inventory reflecting current conditions and you might even want to specify that it not be broken down to 120 square foot buildings to answer Julianne's question there is in the PUD guide from O5 a provision that a building Can't go up more than 10% or 2,000 square feet unless it's a restaurant or a Drive terminal or other lift shack, but I think if you got into that those conditions that I'm talking about lines 340 I think if you got into those conditions, and I'm talking about lines 340 later than that, actually 355, 350. So you would add condition number seven, and just say applicant and staff would develop an inventory that reflects current conditions at the completion of this construction project, and simplify it into the broad categories rather than each individual lift shack that way if you add an outhouse we don't have to worry about those kind of things. But we were still going with that planning thinking that was the result of the ordinance in 94 and the ordinance in 2005 is that there is a certain carrying capacity on the mountain for commercial activities and that's roughly 200,000 and you know as I said Bob I don't think we're close there but if we if we've got all the history from 94 to 2005 to seven I don't know if we did it in seven for SAMS and then onward for LCAMP. And here, future councils will have the benefit of seeing those broad categories and understanding how we're reaching the determined carrying capacity from the last century. And whether that's appropriate or not is another thing because as you can make this stricter and harder But it doesn't bind a future council anyway if they want to allow 500 I mean subject to forest service, but 500 square thousand square feet up there. So Keeping it simple, but still being consistent with the So keeping it simple, but still being consistent with the methodology is probably your best way forward. And it doesn't denigrate the entitlement that the ski company has already earned through the process. Processes that have already taken place, which is why David is concerned about that finding. You're acknowledging that and then you're saying, prepare a new inventory. So we're not, when you're doing an application for another restaurant or whatever it is, up there we're not going, oh God, we gotta go back and pinpoint every 100 square feet that was moved, relocated, created, whatever it is. That seems to make sense. So that would be condition number seven, right after number six on line 358. I'll see what my fellow council, you're fine. Yeah, I'm good. I'm fine. Everybody else is fine. So since we've already got a motion for the approval of the ordinance and a second on that. John in terms of next steps. Do we need to vote on the ordinance or can we ask Alyssa to amend her motion? Actually you could direct staff to repair that as it's been described. And include that in your first reading here even though it's not actually worded and come back to your second reading which is two weeks. 15 days. 15 days. Is that plausible to have done in two weeks staff? Yeah. Okay. That's a pretty simple paragraph. It's a. And the findings already there and it's an easy condition to meet given the amount of work that's already gone into the overly detailed inventory. Is it doable in terms of your timeline? We welcome the simplification. So I have no objection to that condition or the proposal or that condition. Well the council, all of us are very comfortable with that modification. So on ordinance reading number two, the second reading of the ordinance, we would see that modification. Okay, so we have a motion on the table. We have a second with an additional condition, which will be added as prepared by staff as directed from council. All in support support say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Same sign? Past unanimously on first reading. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Good job. Yay. So Madam Mayor, in two weeks, there won't be a presentation. There will be a simply a presentation of the ordinance with the red lines and then it should be a considerably shorter. So you can close the public hearing on time. Oh yeah. I close a public. Closer continue. We'll continue the public hearing until two weeks from now which would be the 19th of January. Okay. Could I ask one question? Yeah. David, can you give us an update on what's happened between the 21st of December and the 31st of December regarding the contract with the related? I actually can't because I haven't been involved in those discussions. Okay. Yeah, we, it would be very important the message you go back to those involved in that project. We expect it'd be nice to have some updates because 1231 was going to be the condent condentization of the the park in the district. I mean, I think that if I if I remember the agenda the agenda for the next meeting, Fannie Hill is going to be supposed to be on there, it would be very useful to have an update at that point. I'll talk to Don Schuster. Don's been involved in that. I have not been directly involved in that. I understand conversations with related. Clearly. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. You all want a quick break or you want to go forth? I would take a break. I would take a break for a second. OK. We're going to take five minutes. Okay, we will now continue the town council meeting. The next item on the agenda is the first reading. No, it's not. It's a resolution number three series of 2016 resolution authorizing the expenditure of funds. Budgeted for grant contracts for health and human service organization. And I do see John Horblore who will be coming forth to do the discussion and lead the presentation. I will be recusing myself from this portion of the meeting and that I'm executive director of home care and hospice of the valley which is an applicant. Bob? I guess it's me John. Hi. How are you? Very well. Thanks. Good. Good. Well, you have the mic and. Okay. We use the same grant criteria this year as we did last year. And that is to put first priority on those health and social service organizations that help the most vulnerable segments of our population in a way that's outside the scope of government but they provide essential services. So we tried to be as generous as possible to that group. The secondary criteria, same as last year, was that we wanted to help those organizations that support the community of SNOMAS Village in a way that provides a bang for the buck, where we get a lot of return for the amount of investment or annual contribution. So we had 22 applicants this year and in order to be as generous as possible to those who we considered the most critical to the community, we first went through a process of eliminating those grant applicants that were outside the scope of the grant criteria and we eliminated six. So we recommend town council that six be eliminated. Leaving 16, and we tried to be as generous as possible to those. On page 55 of 61, you'll see our grant recommendations. And then on the next couple of pages, there are some brief notes on how much each grant applicant asked for and how much we awarded them. So if you'd like, I can go through each one or you can just scan through them and see if any questions come to mind and I'll answer your questions as best I can. Well, let me, let's start with the questions, sure I'm up here, and we'll probably be able to get through it more rapidly that way. So, Elizabeth, look like you had a question. Yeah, I have a few questions. Great. My first question is about the forest conservancy. So last year we granted them some money, but this year we didn't, and I just was wondering why are they out of the scope this year, but maybe not last year. We were just a little stricter in applying the grant criteria this year, that's all. And what were they applying for? I mean, what is it? They were asking for money to help maintain the trial. So, Rents, I'm asking. Okay. I mean, the members of the committee didn't feel that it strictly met the criteria in comparison to other organizations to provide vital services. Oh, thanks. And then my question was also about Challenge Aspen. In the little summary that you gave, you said that the board feels that this organization has many fundraisers in a very healthy budget and does not serve enough residents of Snowmass or fit the grant criteria. The number of beneficiaries of challenge Aspen who live in Snowmass Village is quite small. They didn't give us that number this year, but I believe it's quite small. But there's a lot of visitors who meet the criteria, correct? That's true, but as we read our mandate, we are providing monies that support organizations that support the community of Snowmass Village as opposed to the visitors in Tour of snowmass village. Obviously, you could change that criteria if you wanted, but we were applying the criteria as we understood it. Well, the only reason why I was questioning it is because if you look under the staff summary, it says, if the applicants are appropriately enhancing the quality of life of the citizens, visitors, and employees of Snowmass Village. So when I think about how many visitors utilize something like Child's Aspen, it was just surprising that we didn't grant them any money. And I understand that, you know, they might look like they have a healthy budget and they might not need it, but I don't know. That rationale sometimes bothers me a little bit. Okay. Where is that in the grant criteria you saw though? Well, this was on the staff report at the bottom under number four, C2. It says, if applicants are appropriately enhancing the quality of life of the citizens, visitors, and employees of snowmast knowledge. Well, that's from the code. That's from the code, but you guys are the ones that actually set the grant criteria. So that might be what's in the code, but in doing your budget process, you gave me direction to give to them in health and human services, and it did not say the community. Now the code might, but you're direct. Okay. I understand that. I just and also just remember these are recommendations. No, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I just was curious like how other, you know, and if you look at their profit in the last state, like some of these other communities, the board is, they also look at that and the amount of money they have. Obviously, they're looking at a more complete picture. You're looking at the application. There's more information. But I was just curious because I don't know. It just seemed that we didn't give anything to something like towns aspen. But that's just me. And then you give 2,500 to the Buddy Program, which I could also argue gets a lot of money from other places. So I don't know. I just, that was my only, those are my only questions. But I appreciate all the time you guys put into this. I mean, I could assure you that we are applying the criteria as we understand them. If you want to give us greater clarification or expand the scope, you know, we'll help us best we can. The only suggestion I really would like to make is that this review process not be in December. It's the busiest time of the year. We had less than two weeks to review 22 grant applications and meet as a group. So if we could possibly meet in January next year and come before council at the end of January, as opposed in the beginning of January having to cram all this in December That would be easier for us. Is there a reason why it's the budget process because our budget was approved later We had to you know kind of get together later. So either we yeah like John said in January or if the budget was approved We could also meet in November. Be it earlier. Yeah, what it said in January, or if the budget was approved, we could also meet in November. Be it earlier. Yeah, it's up to you. Anything else, Alyssa? I think that, oh, I had a question about Catholic charities. Do you know why I know that you said it's going directly to St. Mary's in Aspen. But do they tell you when they apply, like how many people they help in snowmouse village? Eight is their best guess. They house and feed and close homeless people, some of whom come from snowmouse. But they aren't providing any money. Like because I used to do a lot of work with Catholic Charities, when we had donor direct, and we used to, you know, they would send people to us all the time that needed money, needed a loan, well, you know, and they didn't have enough in there like housing fund or whatever, to help people pay rent or things like that. Well, that's covered undermass community outreach, where we actually are reckoned, they only ask for a thousand bucks. And that's the only emergency fund for people in true financial distress in snowmass. We're recommending that we give them two thousand. So if somebody can't get to work because they don't have snow tires and they can't pay their electricity bill, they need help. That's the only organization that provides that level of support. John, where does the community, snowmage community outreach? It's operated at a snowmage chapel. It had a chapel. Yeah. And it's typically through the grapevine where people find out about and people that really need. Anything else? I'm just reading this thing about the forest conservancy. Bill? I don't have anything for you. I think this really challenging project. It is, it is tough for doing it. It's it's it's really tricky tricky but I think you guys are doing a great job. Thank you. I might ask maybe we could, the big outliers at the Hope Center, the Aspen Hope Center applied for a grant for the first time this year, not knowing how limited our budget was. So they asked for 33 grant, which was what their budget shortfall was for the whole organization. So obviously we couldn't give them 33,000. But if you talk to Michelle Mewthing or any of the crisis support people there, they really show up when they're needed. They're highly professional organization and suicide prevention and counseling is one of the most critical social services that the town can support. So I might suggest that we go to 100,000 next year. We had 136,000 in grant requests. We eliminated six. We're recommended that we eliminate six. And we're still giving really modest amounts to these organizations that do critical work for the community. So I'll just put that for consideration for next year. Thank you. Tom? John, what's the River Bridge Regional Center? I don't understand the organization very well. They do crisis intervention and they have a, they do critical crisis intervention. They work closely with the police where there are issues of domestic violence or other family emergencies that are highly confidential in nature, but they only had a very limited impact in snowmess, so we made a very modest recommendation there. Oh, okay, thank you, Ronda. I see it now. I guess. We've been trained to child abuse through the police. If our interaction be placed for them to stay. And I see that on your report, you know, only nine calls and eight years. I'm happy for that. Right. And it's nice to support it in some way. And I agree with Billy too. I mean, it is a challenging to give, you know, to play Santa Claus here. Basically, it was what you're doing over Christmas. Right. It's a very good job. Good job. Good night. Commend you. Thank you. Okay. I'll bring Mark you back here. John, oh, you have good, good. Good. Again, I appreciate what you go through. I've been in your position before and it's really difficult because there's rarely an instance where an organization doesn't deserve and the nonprofit world is a tough world to balance the books. So thank you and the committee. So as I was reading through the various grants, I noticed, or it struck me that in the AVSC grant in your explanation, you guys, the group created essentially a $50 per child. That's exactly right. Right. 50 bucks a kid. That was the rationale. Right. I get that and I think that's a very fair approach to take. Was that, and I can't tell tell so the reason I'm asking the question is in in regards to ask the youth center did you use the same 43 bucks a kid you use the same kind of thing so they're just there are a lot more kids than there are a lot of their 164 stone-ass kids who go to the youth center. Okay, well that's significant, that's great, that's a lot. And I guess the other question I had, and it's similar in that the community health services, how many people were snow mass residents? 170, so that's just under 100 bucks a person. How many people were snowmass residents? 170. So that's just under 100 bucks a person. OK. And so you've used different amounts per individual. Can you give me a little explanation of why you do that or how you read that? We just try to be as merciful and organized and methodical and fair as possible. So the biggest outlier would be the River Bridge Regional Center, which provides safe help for kids. They only helped one kid. So we gave them a thousand bucks to keep one kid safe in snowmass. At the other end of the spectrum, the snowmass chapel dinners serve 160 people and with a thousand dollar donation, we're six bucks a meal. That's what we're providing. Okay. Okay. So you're, I guess you're looking at what the donation, what the grant request is in terms of dollars. Yes. And then trying to figure out based on how many snow mass residents are impacted. Benefited, impacted. And in what sphere of life? I mean, a vulnerable kid is worth more than a free meal. Yeah. Now, to ends the spectrum. Great. OK. Thank you. How is the number decided for like hospice and pathfinders? Ah. Hospice. Those are, we give generously there. There are 44 people dying in snow mass who are cared for at hospice. That works out to 250 books, person, $250. And for pathfinders, people who were struggling with cancer or the effects of cancer, there were six. So that works out to 333. So as I mentioned, our primary criteria is to be as generous as possible to those organizations that help the most vulnerable members of our community. And then we go for bang for the buck and have some kind of sliding scale to make sense of this. So a smash box of bang for your buck? Smash box is a bang for your buck. Camp Smash box, there are 300 kids that receive some sort of scholarship through the secular camp. It's a secular camp separate from the church. Yeah, no, I know. Yeah, 20 bucks a kid. Anybody else? Okay. Emotion to, yeah. Do I hear a motion to make a motion to approve resolution number three series 2016? Thank you, Tom, any one second? I'll second. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, unanimous. Thank you very much, John. Thank you John. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you John. Appreciate it I do need those applications back of the possible guys Thank you, John But could you put them all on to a PDF and send that separate? So if you had a question about one, you could go into the PDF and look at it. Yes, I can. You know anything? So it's not part of the package. Yes. Everything has that to do with that. I'll make I mean? So it's not part of the package. Yes. Have any of those? I'll make a note to do that. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. We have one more agenda item. Thank you, Bob, for cheering that portion of the meeting. Appreciate it. Sure. Next is town council reports and actions. I'll turn over to Clint. Any updates? I'll turn over to Clint, any updates? I have no updates, but I just wanted to confirm that next week we had 10, tentatively scheduled boards and commissions interviews and process set up for part of the work session. I wanted to make sure that everybody was comfortable that we would work to invite folks to where we had more applicants than we did positions available for the interviews to happen at the work session. And then if we can't get them on the 11th we'll shoot for the 18th, but your decisions would be made on the 18th after you discuss on the 11th. Does that find what everybody? I'm sorry. The decisions could be made on the 19th, right? 19th, sorry. I did forget. Oh, that's right. We don't have a meeting on the 18th. That's correct. Martin Luther King. Yes. What boards, Imran, do you probably know this off the top of your head? Petra. Yeah. Marketing. Those are the two I remembered. That's it. Okay. And then where are we short? And if so, can people still apply? People can still apply for those boards that we are short on. Unfortunately, those that we've already had more than there are seats available. After that deadline, we can't accept those applications. But for example, where's planning? Planning? I thought it was short. Short one person, sorry. Okay. And FAB. They're fine. They're fine. Okay. And FAB. They're fine. They're fine. Okay. Is that the board of appeals? Nobody's even reapplied. You guys haven't met in three years. So there. I always take care of you afterwards and do a separate- Some of them haven't met. Yeah. There's- Nobody has reapplied for boards of appeals, but I usually reach out to them and we reapply them in February because of the status of the board. Okay. But yeah, I've had a few people call me and ask me if they were supposed to come for interviews and I haven't really didn't know what to tell them yet. So where there's more applicants and positions, we'll work to set those interviews up and then your decision will be made on the 19s. Okay. And planning commission is the only one that's short? No. My grants, my citizen grant review board is short. There's many positions available on SA, on SOB, the Snowmass Arts Advisory Board, but sometimes they work better with a smaller board so we don't have to have 15, but there's, I wish I would have brought my list. Oh, thank you. So, liquor license is OK. EAB, we've had no applicants for three positions. Boards of appeal, Wolf has a reapplied. And we need two people for planning commission. So if they go on to the town website, what do they do? How do they find information? Under I want to apply for, at the top they go to I want to apply for boards and commissions position or they can call me and I'll email it or they can pick one up at the front. But the ones that are full aren't shown on there anymore they are. I don't know if it's a lot of work. I don't know if it's a lot of work. I don't know if it's a lot of work. I don't know if it's a lot of work. I don't know if it's a lot of work. I don't know if it's a lot of work. I don't know if it's a lot of work. I don't know if it's a lot of work. I don't know if it's a lot of work. Okay, and that'll be before the 11th, so anything else, Clint? Okay, any updates from any council people? I'll start. I'm of course got a new program's calling it net zero homes, doing some people doing remodeling this coming year, starting with the possible that you can apply for up to $7,500 grant, depending on what you're doing. And once you apply to core, they will evaluate. And that's just coming out. They are also talking about, this is more for Aspen itself. The Aspen is involved in an energy challenge with several other ski towns and the award is $500,000. So they're going to be, how come we're not involved in that? I don't know. I asked that question, but eventually I had asked the question, why not the Roy Fork Valley being involved with it totally, but at the moment since it's just a new thing going on, Aspen against Park City and it's maybe another town involved too at point. But that's quite an award at $500,000. I'll use the grand term. I'm going to find out in January 28th and we'll find out. I think that's... Clint, maybe it's worth the phone call to court to find out. I thought the Park City already won that, wasn't it? Yeah, but it's going to happen again. It's going to happen again. It's going to be a yearly thing. Somebody's got to be funding it. Yeah. OK. I don't have anything. I don't have anything. I don't have anything. I've got a question about the ice drink and the lighting. One of my neighbors checks in with me regularly about lights that are left on down there. Is that, just, I can, I'm familiar with this one. I've called your neighbor back and talked to him. But the earlier over the Christmas break, we had one night there was exceptionally cold, and we had someone going to work on night to layer ice. And so he worked from 10 a night till about four in the morning. And so the lights were on all night that night. And we received at least one complaint probably more than I'm probably more. But anyhow, after that we decided, even if it is cold and it's a great night to make ice and it got staff feeling to work late to make more ice, we're going to stop making ice at 11. So the lights will be turned off at 11 and we made that call or the, I don't know the exact date, but we will turn them on early. We're trying not to do it before five, but there has been a couple of mix ups I'd say early in December where they did get left on but we have a protocol in place where if they're left on They're we can turn them off, but at this point we're gonna have them shut off by 11 and not on before five and generally It's the rink is supposed to be closed by 10 10. Right, so it provides an hour of vice making time. And so the drawback is not as great a vice, the benefit is not blindy neighbors. Okay, thank you. Okay, if there's no other business to come forth this evening, I will accept or ask for a motion for a German. So moved. Thank you. Do I have second? Second. Thank you, Tom. All in support, C.I. I. Close same sign. Thank you. Well, I just don't read this. This seems like... Thank you.