The town of Snowmass Village and has been a very active participant in the history of Snowmass Village. This evening I am going to read a mayoral proclamation. Tonight it gives me great honor and great pleasure to be recognizing Gary Rose now. A very dear friend, a person I've come to know quite well over the years. Gary is an individual who will call me on the phone when I get it wrong. He also was very supportive of me as I thought about running for mayor. I absolutely adore Gary. And he just shared with me he's gonna head back to Philadelphia for a little while and come back and then tell me what I'm doing wrong again. And I love having lunch with Gary. He's really a gem. So this evening I'm going to read the proclamation and then I'll call Gary up and we will recognize him and I'll give him the proclamation in a beautiful frame. So this is proclamation number one series of 2016 and I'm going to read it because it'll take less time to read this than to spend the next five hours talking about his contributions to our town. But it really captures his spirit. A proclamation expressing the town of Snowmass Village's appreciation to Gary Rosenow for his exemplary citizenship, dedication, and service to the town of Snowmass Village. Whereas Gary and Anita Rosenow moved from Philadelphia to a fledgling ski resort known as Snowmass at Aspen in the mid 1970s and became part of a small but growing community and whereas as part of a small but growing community. And whereas as part of that small but growing community, Gary, using his organizational experience, gained from serving the United States in the Navy, together with other forward-thinking citizens, recognized the need for governance and structure, and began the process of putting snowmass on the map by incorporating the town to snowmass village, thereby becoming one of snowmass villages founding fathers. And whereas Gary's wisdom and experience was always available for the community of the town to snowmass villages a whole. But especially for the town of Snowmass Village as a whole, but especially for the benefit of elected and appointed officials of the town, no matter the simplicity or complexity of the subject or issue before the community. And whereas Gary exerted a special kind of leadership in the town that was always filled and delivered with courage, high ideals, confidence and character so that his skills and lessons will long serve successive leaders in order that they may contribute positively to the betterment of Gary's beloved Stomach Village. And whereas now as Gary returns to Philadelphia, being known that his dedication, leadership, and numerous contributions to the town of Snowmass Village will be missed. I just bought crap. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed by Markey Butler Mayor of the town of Snowmass Village, Colorado, on behalf of all of us and all of the citizens of Snowmass Village past, present, and future, that Gary Rosennell shall forever be revered and held in the highest appreciation by all the citizens of Snowmass Village for his lifelong dedication and devotion to our community. Thank you very much. I'm very happy about everything that we were able to do together. And very often I'm asked to stand up here and talk in this mic and I can remember times when I've said don't even listen to the last speaker. You remember that? Not you, not you. No, that was... And I told that other speaker to keep his mouth shut because... But today I don't have to do that. Because everybody's fine. Thank you very much. Come on Tommy, get over here. By the way, this is Tommy Gale. Gale Gale is your daughter. Yes. And Tommy is your son-in-law. Correct. And he helps me with everything. Good. This is cheese. Cheese. Cheese. Cheese. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Then I have one other. I'm sure that everyone read the newspapers this last week and we lost another wonderful dedicated servant of our town, Molly, Laollis Weitzer, who, again, was another strong fabric of the structure and dedication to making snowmast what it is today. So I understand from talking with a few folks that her service will be sometime during the summertime as Lollolly would want it to be. So with that, anything else that I'm missing? It's sad. No, let's get some happy. Sad. We got it. We got it. We got to get on the upswing now, OK? First, the Michigan basketball team. You have a basketball. Don't you start. I knew this IU was going to come out real soon. Oh yeah, well Michigan kind of went down in flames. So at this point I'm going to open to public comment. Is there anyone from our community or the public who is here this evening who would like to come forward? Yes, come on out, Veezy. Thank you very much, ma'am. Beasy and English means wise. All right, the words is English, German. Yes, ma'am. Anyway, my nomically, I choose MZ, VZ, the third. All there's another attack, I'm going to say. The first attack is this. All right, it has a nexus, but it's not dealing with any items that's on the agenda. When one does agreements or one gets a commercial loan, you have what? Positive and negative covenants. I don't know how many positive and negative covenants that you put in various agreements, but possibly you may do more and they may be more exacting. Now the second thing is you have two entrances, 82, and then either if you want to say before town park or at town park itself. Now, let's be capillus and marketers. You're losing a lot of opportunities to bringing a lot of people to spend here, to visit you, to like you, and to love you. What I'm saying is this. You have motivational research, also you have neuro science marketing. I would suggest that you find some people who are expert in those areas and then work with some architects and some builders to put something that will attract people to come in at 82. Now, the other thing is is when they get over to the sign that's on the right, there's your getting to a town park or a town park itself, to do another reinforcement. Now, you're missing a lot of opportunities on that road. Back and forth, I don't care if they come across independence fast and they already spent money and in Aspen or they're coming up. A lot of them will come here if you do it this smart way. Now the last thing is yes I know you're into art and I know they end to sin and all this kind of stuff here but this is from years back from Wall Street Journal. The man called Andrew Camden. He was chairman at that time in 97 of the Museum Trustee Association and also a Trustee of what? The Detroit Institute of Arts. Now we know that even with the bankruptcy, their artwork is worth at least $2 billion. I can guarantee it's more than that. I say, look, let's form a relationship with such an institute. It's beneficial, mutually beneficial for both parties. Now, oh, there's something else in the Wall Street Journal. I'm gonna give it in. Oh, you have to remember, most of people that show up here, they aren't all money, they're new Voresh. New Voresh is new rich. Well, the merchants are supposed to do what? Enculturate them. Well, I say, hey, look, let's get the merchants some encouragement and also training to incultrate these people. Also, they will come back. How do you think JP Morgan, God is artwork. And we can name Rockefeller and a whole bunch of others. All right, now the last thing, still dealing with art, the art district in Denver. And I know the guy that helps start it and all that kind of stuff. He's a lawyer. However, I had a reminder about Cherry Creek. But, remember, people really have to have the money. And that means also, in our society, also the credit. So the credit worthiness, also to shop. Now, I'm going to just pass this along and hopefully it gets to the city clerk. Thank you very much for your time and hey look you have that entrance that will bring a lot of money into this town or you just do it and they may not even go to ask it. Thank you very much. Thank you. Anyone else on a public comment? I'm glad I have to go home. I'm glad that I don't have to stand here and tell somebody else that I don't agree with them. So I'm asking permission for John Dresser to let me go home. Gary you've got it. Safe travels, Godspeed from all of us here. Alright. Best of luck, Gary. Thank you. That would be great. That would be great. See you later. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm Pat Keifer, a base village capital peak owner and HOA board member. And I have the privilege of meeting Gary this summer is just a delightful man. At the suggestion of Mr. Kinney, we are continuing to share base village owner thoughts with council and staff via public comment and emails. Exactly three months ago today, ordinance nine was conditionally approved assuming the 10 supporting agreements were successfully signed by the town and the applicant within 90 days. Developer-related interpreted this as the agreements had to be in the town's hands versus having them signed and I hope they're here sometime today. We keep referring to related and SAC as a developer. Is the applicant really a developer or you know are they sort of a photo developer like the faux front buildings that we have in base village. First there's the name. It's snowmack snowmass acquisition company. Why isn't it snowmass development company or building company? Second is the track record has related or SAC actually put up any new buildings and all the years they've had the development rights. Why haven't they successfully sold out the vice-royd by now? It's been up for 18 years and they've sold 48 units of the 122. Third, in 2008 they got roughly $50 million in bond money to build a bunch of stuff, like the Aqua Center, the Roundabout. Not built yet, are they? From the developer's performance perspective, the results are they've gotten more concessions from the town, but we, as a town, have gotten no new development results. But that's in the past. Let's look at the last seven months. This commented as titled, Base Village and the Thomas Crown Affair. The references to the 1999 remake version because the opening scenes features a Trojan horse as the key gambit to facilitate the robbery of New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art. This fits with New York-based related extensive use of the Trojan Horse Strategy. There are three public examples from the town council meetings that were held here on base village. Number one is August of 2015 related Mr. Diagostino Sad at this table. And Promise Council that the developer would pay for the tree house traffic control officer. The Trojan Horace is the base village services agreement submitted in support of ordinance number nine. That has this expense had this expense pointed at base village company and Metro District, which is not as promised and is detrimental to base village owners. Number two, in September of 2015, related to Mr. Monzeo sat at this table and promised council a particular ADA parking layout. The Trojan Horse was, related changed this parking layout between the preliminary plan that was approved by council and the final plan without disclosure and the change was again detrimental to base village owners. Number three at the two and a half hour mark of the December 21st meeting At the 2.5 hour mark of the December 21 meeting, related to Mr. Dance sat at this table, and in response to Mayor Butler and Council Member Circus on a pool at Building 8 for Hayden and Capitol Peake, he stated he would get with Hayden and Capitol Peake to see if that was acceptable to them. To this point, related has not met with either Hayden or Capitol Peak in the past 90 days on this subject. We're counting on the town to hold the developer to the commitments that were made right here in this room. As it stands right now, we have no idea whether there are more Trojan horses hidden in the 10 agreements in support of ordinance 9. We have no idea whether the six concerns in the January 4th, joint Hayden Capital Peak letter will be satisfactorily addressed. We're all on the same team here, just like the Broncos. You know, I had to root for somebody. The Cowboys just weren't going to make it this year. Nobody has success on their own. And after all, here with the Broncos, we have a stellar defense. We have Clint, Von Miller, Kenny. We have Julianne. The Marcus Williams. Julianne, you know, we take some credits for the Marcus's Kenny. We have Julian. Like, it's where it was. Julian, you know, we take some credits for the Marcus's talent because he was a cowboy before. And we have the guy with the most experience with related. John L. Wei Koubiak, professor. You get now, Pat. I'm not a Broncos fan. I don't know. You might put me in the wrong team. Okay. We'll go with Woody Hayes for you, hasn't it? Okay. That'll work. All right. He doesn't like Ohio State either. Yes, he does. His dad played for Woody Hayes. And at the head table, we have four of the five Peyton Manning's here today. Like Peyton, I've seen this council spend hours in preparations for these meetings regarding base village. You listen to others and you work very hard to make the right decisions. The vaunted defense of town staff has been successful in getting so many issues well-defined for base village, but just like the Broncos, it's unreasonable to expect the defense to do it all. In our opinion, it's time to give the ball back to the Peyton Manningtown Council, so that any and all base village development commitments are 100% transparent to the public. We don't need any more Trojan horses. And if the Patent's Council deemed necessary to take a sack, i.e. let ordinance 9 expire and not go into effect, for the sake of getting a better chance of success on the next play than we support you. During all of the base village public comment in the past months, you've heard from a past council member that there's no rush. You've heard from Mel Blumenthal to vet this PUD amendment more thoroughly, and you've heard from legions of Hayden, Capitol Peak, and vice-roy owners. To quote Mayor Butler from July, have last year, we want to get base village done and get it done right. And those last five words are really important and get it done right. The whole urgency for the December 21st date was so that concrete could be ordered in time to put up building 13b. Well, building 13b isn't being built anytime soon. So please, take your time with Base Village to get it right. Take the sack. Thank you for your time. Thanks, sir. Thanks, but. And it's really important, and I want Pat and all of our owners over at Base Village and Capitol Peak to know that it has been a daunting task at best. And as I read your words and they're so positively spoken, they're also spoken with a heart of caring about this town and what it means to everyone. You've put a lot of time into this. I don't know exactly where we are with the agreements. I know today is the day. And I hope to find out relatively soon. So I want to thank you for coming forward and keeping our eyes on the ball as well. This is a tough, tough time for our town right now. It is, and I appreciate that. And while we've been vacationing here for 40 years, but only owners for three, I figure I have another quarter of a century left in me. So I'd like it to be here. Thank you. Thank you so very much, Pat. So very thoughtful in your comments. Anyone else? Do I see any other hands? I'll stick. Okay. Let's move on. We have a consent agenda this evening. Do I have a motion for approval? So moved. Do I have a second. Second. Thank you, Tom. Is there any item on here that you would like to pull out for consideration or discussion? The only thing to point out matters that needs to be a roll call about tonight is the ordinance adoption. So we need to pull the a. So I don't know. The key. And it needs to roll call vote for the consent agenda. You also need to open the public hearing item D, which is the second reading of ordinance number two. You'll recall that that was originally scheduled. call that that was originally scheduled. Yep. Before I believe February 1st, 19th. And it might have been February 1st. That was for second reading. And it was continued to, tonight, based on the applicants request that there wasn't going to be a full council. At that time, not knowing exactly what the schedule was, it was continued to today. Obviously, we don't have a full council. And so because of the request of the applicant, it needs to be continued to the next time that we have and that would be April 4th. So if you'll open the public hearing. A procedure a question for you. Should we approve in the consent agenda AC and C and then open the public hearing John and you can do it. You can do that. I think that would be probably a wiser approach. So I'm going to ask Mr. Circus to amend or to modify his motion. Would you be really sure I will modify motion to remove items B and D from the consent agenda. Or what? I'm gonna pull those out. We're gonna pull them out. B as well. B, yes. The ordinance, you said they had to have a roll call. You can just approve the consent with roll call. And it's approved that way. The whole thing. B is not the, that is the ordinance on the amending of the budget. D is the, why do weending of the budget. D is the- Why do we get a pull out? All only D. Okay. Okay. And a men to pull out item D from the consent agenda. Okay. Okay. I'll second. Okay. All in support. Is there any discussion first? If not, all in support say aye. Aye. Aye. I close same sign You just gotta put the roll call. Oh, yeah Go for it. Got work here. Yes. Yes Yes Thank you, Maryam for all the hard work and all the budget you understand just wrong You all that paper Thank you, Mary-Emperors, all the hard work and all the budget. You and your staff just rock. Thank you. All that paper? What you carried out? And now I will open the public hearing. I will continue the public hearing on ordinance number two, series of 2016 on the Fannie Hill. Habbons Minor PUD amendment regarding a proposed phasing change. Jim, your name is behind this one. It's pretty straightforward. Yeah, I think John already summarized it. We don't have any other comments. Any comments from the public? If not, I will continue the public hearing to April the 4th. Is that what we do? F4PM. hearing to April 4th. Is that what we do? F for PM. Yes, at 4 PM. At 4 PM on the floor. In time specifically. Okay. All in support, say aye. Hi. Aye. Opposed? Same sign. Okay, thank you. Let's move on to this is a public hearing on Resolution No. 14 series of 2016. A resolution regarding the referral of a special review application for Verizon and Tennis Lightbow and Small Cellular Facility at Town Park. Jim, you will take the lead here and I will open the public hearing on this as well. So you want to proceed, Jim? Okay. Thank you, Mayor. This is a proposal for a small cell transmission facility. It's a special review application. The cell facility is proposed to be a 25 foot high combination pole light fixture located on the north end of the irrigation shed which is positioned on the west end of entryway lot 3 on the west side of the parking lot down there. For a special review that this particular use is neither in allowed use nor prohibited use within the public zone district down at the town park station area. So a special review is required to review to consider this particular proposal following certain review standards and criteria in the municipal code, the special review standards as well as separate design standards that are also listed in the municipal code for these types of facilities. And I have to point out in the staff report there was a couple errors regarding reference to attachments and attachments A, B and C. They're labeled correctly attachment A, B and all the aerial maps and site plans, attachment B was the referral comments received. Attachment C was the signed planning commission resolution. We just happened to move the town council's resolution, which you'll be considering tonight as an exhibit to the cover memo list. So we just had a couple incorrect references there, so apologize for that. So when we reviewed this application, we kind of formulated a few of the core issues. We thought there was about six or seven of them. We thought, first of all, the council needs to consider the appropriateness of this particular use and location at this particular site, as well as the advocacy of the buffer and screening for the facility. And it should be pointed out that staff and the applicant didn't meet on the site and walked the interway area on a few occasions last spring and summer to determine the optimal locations for this particular facility. We thought the area in and around the transit station down there as well as the irrigation show was the best fit because the existing Recreation Center effectively screened the facility from nearby residential uses The other issues deal with compliance with those standards I mentioned Another one's dealing with the construction installation timing Another one's dealing with whether council feels this particular facility is consistent with the comprehensive plan policies as well as the process that we're in to review to evaluate this particular proposal. And then another one deals with the lease contract requirements, mainly dealing with access, utility provisions, and indemnification, language in the agreement. In this lease contract, since it was determined that council needed to review it, we felt compelled to refer this particular application to 10 council for review. So staff recommendation is for approval with conditions, planning commission essentially adopted most of those recommendations, although they did recommend that the facility be relocated on the south side of the irrigation shed. Based on new information staff recommend that we keep that proposed facility on the north side of the irrigation shed. So council's resolution accepts that one recommendation to relocate it. Jim, can I just interrupt you for a moment and ask a quick question? Sure. This page that shows the photo of the shed and the antenna is this on the south side or the north side? That's on the north side. Okay. It's on the proposed location side. So I'd like to introduce Chris Harrington. He works for a class of consulting who represents Verizon wireless. And they have their engineer here to answer specific questions about the proposal as well. Thanks, Jim. Thanks for having me. I've got Greg Chamberlin here as well. He's the RF engineer for Verizon. Welcome guys. Thanks. So I prepared a little bit of a PowerPoint presentation here, addressing some of these core issues that Jim has brought up. And if you have any questions at any point during the presentation, please don't need to wait till the end or anything. So a little bit of background. Verizon Wireless approached the town in March of 2015 to talk about this facility. The goals of this site were to provide capacity increase for the location commonly used for events and activities. They asked us to know as Jazz Festival and cover the town entryway where we were seeing some signal drops and things. Small cell sites in particular, we're not dealing with a large tower here as a lot of people are used to in regard to wireless technology. Small cell sites are a small scale technology, and their strategy is to place them in coverage pockets and capacity pockets where maybe terrain features and things would get in the way of larger sites. So having said that it's an enhancement to what we currently have because we lose a lot of signal down there is that what you're saying? It will fill a pocket there. Fill the pocket and we'll expand off of that pocket to neighboring communities such as up in horse ranch and those areas as well or is it pretty much limited to that area? It has a range of about 2,000 feet. Oh, okay. But we do know that the coverage is lacking there on the site of town right there by the ball center and the golf course as well as the rec center. So that was our number one spot to start. We would like to put possibly three or four more of these in town located strategically to fill other coverage holes. Do you have a map of all your gaps anywhere that you've probably penciled out where the other ones might be. Yeah it's primarily on the east side of town. We don't have any coverage maps. Okay. But that east side of town, we know it's where it's hurting and we want to start there and then work our way to the west side of town. Is the two creeks lodge on your list? We haven't approached any other landlords yet, but we do have some search rings I if I could just offer that the Verizon signal around two creeks lodge the parking lot that whole area is atrocious and Regularly you calls regularly get dropped, you know pulling into that parking lot Appreciate that and Greg the besides the fact that you're gonna have a two thousand foot range if If in fact jazz Fest is going on, and we have everybody trying to use the phone, does this help the data? My understanding is this is going to help more people use it as opposed to the reception. Is that correct? Absolutely. Yeah, right now we have one site here on the west side of town. And it's reached its capacity for the amount of resources that we can put at that site. And there's only a limited amount of people that can use the site at one time and the more people that do, the more bandwidth that is used up, you get slowed down with speeds. And if enough people use it, you can actually block calls, which could be a public safety issue, even. But the more RF transmission points that we have that alleviates all those problems as well as fill in cover tools. So I guess what I'm saying is not just filling the gap for the cover tools, it's just going to allow more people to use it at the same time. Absolutely. Okay. Okay. Next slide we have here. These are the core issues that Jim mentioned that we're trying to address and I highlighted some of the kind of key words from each of those phrases. Again, in proponents of location let's go through this quickly. Each slide subsequent to this we'll address some of these. Added to see if buffering and screening impacts and aesthetic criteria, installation timing, consistency of the comprehensive plans policies, whether administrative review process should be established for such small cell transmission facilities, and then the least contract requirements. And regarding the appropriateness of the location, I mentioned kind of our goals there, increasing capacity for an area where snowmass residents congregate and provide a permanent solution for the Aspen's, Snowmass Jazz Fest traffic. For example, Verizon Wireless previously brought up a cow sell on wheels to provide that kind of boost in the area when you have these kinds of people congregating in that town center. So this would be a permanent solution for those kind of high traffic activities. Additionally, with that location, here's... It's a map showing the site and kind of the ring that will see a benefit from the location of the site in that area. Okay, if you want to talk... I know Greg mentioned 2,000 feet and then it's some of the terrain features will impact that but Greg can speak more of that. Yeah, the north side is a little blocked, you know, getting up through the hills there. But we will see quite a bit of coverage to the south there covering that that ball field as well as the golf course and the rec center quite well. We would like to do two or three to the south of that as well to fix that side of town. Additionally, regarding the appropriateness of location, we did consider other sites in the vicinity of the Rec Center. Site number one, we backed off of that area because of water and electric easements and required setbacks in that area. Site two, we were asked to move away from that as it used as a vehicle access point for vehicles getting onto the field. And also snow gets piled up in that area a little bit more than other places. So our proposal was moved to the current site. Furthermore, there is that conservation zone just a little bit north and west of our proposed site. So we wanted to stay here from that as well. So what we have here is a little bit different from the photosim in your packet. We worked with our A&E firm to provide a screening option for the equipment at the base of the pole that would be consistent with that irrigation shed. As you can see, hopefully it's not too dark there, but we're going to use proposed fencing, green fencing that will match the paint on that shed. And it extends just onto that grass area just off to the side of the building, thank you. That screening would provide number one. I know the issue that got raised, the Planning Commission was kind of security of that site with the equipment being on the ground. It'll provide security and some screening, so it's not just a metal frame sitting there. So can kids still get into it? They can get into anything just take a saw. We can put padlocks on it, you know our technicians are well capable of keeping that locked up in between maintenance. Okay, and impacts on aesthetic criteria. One of the goals for these small cell sites is to keep the site small. What we don't want to do is put a large tower someplace that's more of an eye-sour. So we're trying to shrink the equipment down and shrink the sites down so they're less of that. So they blend in a little bit more at the surroundings and as much as possible. This site in particular is 10 by 6 leaf space for 60 square feet. Again, like I said, we wanted to kind of blend into the aesthetic of the surrounding area. In the parking lot in particular, there are light poles surrounding a lot. That's why we utilize that style. So when people pull in the lot, even though it is a little bit taller, what we found especially in a lot. That's why we utilize that style. So when people pull in the lot, even though it is a little bit taller, what we found especially in a lot of areas is by attempting to do those things, it does mask this site. It doesn't stick out as much as it would be just a pole sitting in a field. So the pole will be painted to match the existing lot lights and the light pole will be functional as well. So it'll provide additional parking lot lighting. functional as well so it will provide additional parking lot lighting. Installation timing from the conditions in the proposed resolution. Once building permits issue construction, it will be completed between April 1st. Prior to Memorial Day, holiday weekend or between October 1st and prior to Thanksgiving. And our goal is to get it done before snowmass jabs fast. We want to have that thing up and operational as we can. What's your expectation for the construction, the amount of construction time? What's it? It could take anywhere from 30 to 90 days, depending on how well everything goes. What's involved in the construction? That makes it tough. That makes it potentially tough to get done before or a memorial day. Yeah, we are on a tight timeframe. Yeah, there are some things I have to go into. We have to have fiber laid to that site as well. So where does the fiber go? OK. Y'all are young. So where does the fiber go? Okay, y'all are young. I don't know what fiber gladiate is. Where's the fiber? It's a fiber optic type thing coming on. Okay, where's it coming from? It should be coming on right off of 82 there. There's a line being laid along 82. So you got to run it up fresh creek? Yes I believe they're going to bore it over to the site. And when you bore it over to the site what I mean can you kind of describe where how it's going to be bored is it going to go through the rodeo lot and over or is it going? I believe it should be on our construction drawings, exactly where the fibers laid. Actually, it's a drawing to align from brush creek road. Yeah, and it's going to go straight north to our down there. Yeah. So I'm Ann Martin, some public works director, and we've talked before on the phone. Nice to meet you. We have a redaway permit in our office that we're not processing yet. And what that means is that to give the utilities to the site, we'd go from the Comcast building or the Quest building over off a snowmass club circle that large building right before you drive down to the golf course and the water treatment plant. Or as we were treatment plant. So you were a treatment plant? Yeah. If we go from there up Snowmass Club Circle down Highline Road and then Brush Creek Road. That's what the right-of-way permit has been proposed to us to get the utilities to that location. So the road is a little torn up? No, they would bore. They would have to do underground drilling with machines and then just slide it in and pull it out. Yep. underground drilling with machines and then just slide it in and pull it out. Yep, and pull it out. So depending on how this all comes out, then we would go through the engineering process and approval for infrastructure to be put in. And I'm not sure who should answer this question, but the conduit that you use to put in the borehole is that large enough to handle other things if we were to need another piece of utility in the future. Could it go into the same conduit? I believe so. I think CenturyLink is going to be the company that's actually laying the fiber. It's one of our partner companies. I believe they can section out pieces of that fiber to other telecommunications companies as well. Okay. Great, or Chris, on A3.0 or even the little site, don't have the fence drawn in anywhere. Yeah, the fence was a development that just we got that picture today and we actually do have plans that will pass out to everyone that have what the drawings will look like with that fence. So is that material going to match the existing irrigation shed there? That's correct, yes. The fence doesn't look that high to me and to answer somebody's question said earlier, I believe that mayor said something about keeping the kids out. The fences look that high. Seems like they could jump over the fence to get in there and mess with the equipment to me. I can review the drawings, double check the height, and we can make it higher or put something on top of it to prevent that. Besides Bob Warrer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or a dog or something. Yeah, I know. Anyway, but I just wanted to, you know, I think the fence could be very, you know, could, I mean, I like the idea of the pole by itself and the equipment's there, but obviously the fence is necessary and there's going to be an important factor how we're going to hide that equipment with the fence. Okay. got raised was a consistency with comprehensive plans policies. And there are, I won't read everything in here, but you can see page 36 and 37 of the Packet Town Council received tonight. Then the site being consistent with these elements of providing this telecom infrastructure in the area for the community. Community wide cellular coverage wireless service and other technologies as well as points on there. And being again being located at that town center or the town entry way we feel that it's particularly a positive location because it's going to provide that service for people as they're coming into the town the entry way. You want that first point of entry saying oh hey we just driven to a mountain town we have we have service, we're able to use our devices here. And that's going to be more important, not just today, but in the future. And as more people are using more data and those things become even more prevalent than they are today. One of the points we also discussed at the Planning Commission meeting was and I've talked with Jim a little bit was the establishment of an administrative review process for small self-assilities and this is this is a little bit of a step. This site in particular is the first small self-assilit we've proposed for town of Snowmass Village. We hope to use this technology in the future, you know, in those small pockets where we're seeing problems currently. It's more efficient, more effective than to try and get a giant tower or larger antennas. And so this is kind of the strategy we want to take, especially with terrain features and buildings, to address some of those micro issues that you mentioned. The current zoning process going through, it's time consuming, obviously, and burdensome when we're trying to resolve these issues and trying to use innovative and kind of small cell technologies to really, to try and get them done as quickly as we can. Obviously, the process is nationally and dealing with larger towers is incredibly burdensome, but what we're trying to do is address these issues as quickly as we can with smaller technology. We think that administrative review would still protect the public interest that the town has in a natural setting. Obviously, we don't want to disturb the views. And it's within our interest as a company to look out for those views and work together with the planning department to make sure that we're putting up sites that are going to both provide coverage, capacity for residents and tourists, and also protect those interests at the town, holds near and dear. Just one quick question. And maybe this is more for Clint or Julianne, but in looking forward to future sites, does each site need to have an easement granted for your equipment and so forth? Potentially. It could be with private landowners, obviously this site being in a public area. That's why it's another point we're working out here. But usually there is some, depending on how close that property is to where we can pull fiber where electric is those types of things. So if we were to, in our consideration for future small cell situations, and considering the administrative review concept, I think if I understand the staff report, it would have to come to council in any case if there were to be an easement issue. Or at least, am I right about that? No matter what, with the way the law exists, currently exists, it needs to come to the council. I think this is kind of a soft ask, because hey, would you consider changing the law, which is something, which is an outside of this hearing, we even know the law to do that. So, and then yes, the violent answer to questions of visual leads. So it wouldn't be, we couldn't in this ordinance, move, essentially agree to have future small cell things go through administrative view. We discussed that and I think the best cleanest way to make that adjustment and talking with John is that we just changed the ordinance. So it's clear that we have a process for this type of thing going forward. Okay. I think a broader question for me is I don't I'm not opposed to the small cell application that you're proposing this evening but if we look at this on the grand scheme we don't have a master plan in our town for coverage and gaps and plans accordingly. or coverage and gaps and plans accordingly. I would find it very palatable if I knew what that plan was to ease back on administrative approvals. You see where I'm going with that? Absolutely, yes. That would be a different piece of us. Second part of that is so this is Verizon. Am I going to hear the same thing from T-Mobile or can they link on to you guys? So one of the things we did discuss the planning commission meeting was the ability to co-locate on the site. Due to the size of the site, it sounds like we can support another similar type antenna on the top. It's going to be structural is going to be the issue, but we should be able to co-locate one other and I can like, Greg speak to that a little bit. Each carrier would have to come in and install their own equipment, install their own antenna. And as long as that light pole could support whatever size antenna, they decide to put up and they can put it in tenets and have a site there as well. What about the equipment that is at the base of the antenna? It was more than likely be something similar to ours. Meaning that if we go forward with a space available for Ryzen, we need to think about what other carrier might come in and need some space also since we're transparent. But one more quick thing on line of the resolution, resolution, let's see, number 14, line 149 states that's going to be on the north side. So yeah that's correct. But I mean but I'm excuse me number six says it's going to be on the south side but that has to change as opposed to the resident. So the planning commission requested that we explore the south side for sight. The I can go back to it. I see that, but I'm just saying the resolution has in front of us on page six line number 149 states that it's gonna be on the south side of the maintenance irrigation. We would ask that that be amended to north side. Well, that's just a finding that planning commission recommended on the south side, but there's constraints in doing that we since found. Well, the south side, I actually walked this morning. South side has the electric meter and all the utilities on that south side of that building The north side that was one of the constraints. So I mean this is just defining. It's not an action. It's not a Condition it's just defining that one commission. There was something in there, you know Discussing the utilities and the easement not necessarily the easement but the ease of getting it there with the existing utilities. The way that's worded, on the south side, the south side would restrict further expansion. So it's worded in a sense that the south side would not be the side of best and most appropriate use Okay, let's see so yeah, we just talked about Changing the code that would be terrific if you know that was a discussion we could we could have but it's something you know We're concerned with just trying to get sites up and resolve issues more expediently. So, this is a broader question. One that came to my mind yesterday when I realized this is a Verizon application. You got T-Mobile and, well, AT&T and then Sprint. I don't even know what else is out there. So I can see one-offs coming in and saying, well, you know, you allowed them to do it. Now we need to have our turn and now we have these little poles all over the place. I think we need to as a town think long and hard on a plan for how do we accommodate all versus constraint of trade challenges going forward. Not that I would suggest that would be coming forward is just we have to be very mindful of what could come. Absolutely. And a small point in regard to that, one of the goals and the way the technology is progressing is things are getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And that's in the interest really of everybody. We don't want to put up big sites, we want these things to get smaller in and I think in the more immediate future You know absolutely that's a concern and and we do want to create sites that Accomplish that small sell goal and at the same time do provide some co-location ability But as things get further along, I mean we've seen the technology shrink and it's continuing to do so So that's I know from a lot of the companies who are engaged in manufacturing those parts, that's something that's happening. So if we get smaller and smaller, I'm going to assume that you would replace what's there as new technology comes on board. I'm gonna go ahead and check. This is not what you get, this is all you're gonna get. Right now, it's upgradable okay so we can add more resources to it without expanding our currently space or and we can also increase the power too if we need to you know fill in more of a coverage area if we have to without adding any more equipment without adding any more equipment. Another question. My only other question, I think at this point, is that John Mellie, our fire marshal, brought up a question about batteries. Are there in the equipment that you have on site there? What if any batteries do you use? I don't believe we're using batteries on this design where wire directly to the AC. Okay. Okay. I guess I would just, I don't know, caution or ask, if in the future with any change of equipment that we, I guess run that by our fire marshal, just to confirm that we're not running into a public safety issue. Absolutely. And you know, once we lay out these designs, typically they don't change. I foresee this the same way for a long time. Thank you. Any other? I had a question about the drawing. On the last page of that packet you gave us, it shows the meter in the disk and it says new. So is there something there now? I think this might be on the south side of that. So they're moving it over to the other side. And right now I think there is a meter there, but we are planning on having our own meter installed. The site will be on the north side. The meter is just being moved to that spot on the outside of the shed. Okay. That's the new part. Okay. Do I have any questions from the public? Any comments from the public? So I just want our staff to take note. We need to be mindful of what is the plan going forward versus one-offs and not try to inhibit competition from other providers. But we need more of a master plan on this. So I am not in favor of administrative approvals at this point in time, or modifying our law until we know what the game plan is and then that's how I think about it but I don't know how others think about it. Well I think that your point is well made that we should be looking at this as an overall to overall coverage for the town to start with and then secondarily how do we keep, how do we provide overall coverage? And then secondarily, how do we maintain the ability for whichever of the carriers wants to participate and to participate? Yes, John? Yes, John. Looking at the, as Alyssa was, the last page that was passed out today at A3.1, I had the question and I didn't really see in the application. Although you are considering making the finding that the visibility and tennis has been reduced to the highest degree possible under the Code which is section four and that is Requirement that the decision-making body make that and I'm Looking at it and I haven't heard any testimony that you know the poll has to that high. And I think you need to have that testimony of record to prevent challenges to any decision that you make today. So my question to the engineers, et cetera, and I can't be certain, but it looks to me like the, the new light is a number of feet maybe two maybe even a little more than that below the the the top of the roof of the building the top of the roof of the building so there's a gap there to the bottom of the cable shroud and the top of the pole is somewhere in there at 22 feet, 6 inches and the top of the antenna is 25 feet. And my question is, is that the absolute minimum height for that antenna to be effective And the question would be, could this be like a faux smokestack on the top of the roof and be just as effective rather than protruding and I can't give you an exact footage, but I think it has to be because the light is at 15 feet, the top of the antenna is at 25. That's 10 feet there. And so that's the question. And if you tell the body that absolutely, that's at the absolute minimum, then they can make that finding. But there isn't any evidence that that is as low as it could be. And there is another reason that you could say that it has to be there and that would be the co-location issue of the space between the Verizon antenna and a potential antenna below that. So that's my question for you in order that you can put that testimony of minimizing the visibility to comply with the code standard. Sure. You know, we went with the light pull idea just because, you know, we wanted to blend in with the surroundings. But this way it does allow for it to be co-locatable. We need a certain distance between other antennas so that it doesn't cause interference and having at that height would easily allow another carrier to come in to install an antenna on that pole. That height is also needed to get that 2,000 foot effective range, anything lower that that range starts dropping pretty quick. We could always increase the height to get extra coverage out of it, but we just don't want it to be noticeable or protruding and just be out of place. We thought this would be a pretty good size and fit. This is the optimal height for the coverage desire. If I could ask another question. So there has to be a spacing on that poll between locations for different carriers. And another carrier being down below would be less than optimal by being below. They would not get to the full 2000 that you're getting with the same equipment. Depending on what type of antenna they use. It depends. But yeah, that's typically how the game goes to on these first go for serve. I just want this evidence on the record that you have considered the visibility has been reduced to the highest degree possible. Sure. And I think you've done that, but I wanted that on the record in the public hearing to prevent challenges. Absolutely. Yeah, that 20-foot range is the most effective for these small cells? Great. The compatibility of your antenna, not the equipment where the antenna goes. How is it just Verizon? Obviously, the question is Verizon only compatible? Well, any other carrier? Yes. Other carriers, depending on what frequency they're using, where all issue different frequencies by the FCC. We go into these auctions and buy the frequencies. And if their frequencies were close enough to fit on that antenna, then it would be usable. But typically, that's not how carriers install. They like to install their own. Yeah, they're on. Yeah. I will ask how are our planning staff? Have we heard from any other carriers interested in an installation. Added this location. So, mindfulness of a plan might be in order before we do the next one. Is there any agreement and staff? I don't know if we have any. We can do that. I mean, this is one of those things too. And, you know, we hear, and I'm sure you do, is elected officials that increase service is what people are, I think, citizens are looking for. And so this is not one of those things that we can force the private side to do. What we can do is certainly regulate the way in which to do it. And so when this application came in, the way we approached it was, this is a service that's been requested, that's being provided by the private side. Let's make sure it's as efficient, effective, as nice looking as possible. When the next application comes in, we'll do the same. But I think your point's perfect, Madam Mayor, that let's be as comprehensive as we can, but just because we own something doesn't mean we're going to get more carriers. And if the approach is, hey, we want to make sure we don't over build in one area with 25 foot towers. Completely understand that, but I don't want anyone to think that we get to mandate that someone come in. And so I think in order to make sure the service level is where it's at for the community, and I think the point that they're trying to make with the slide is we need to make sure that our process can accommodate them and your point can accommodate them in such a way that's visually acceptable to everybody else in the community. That's that balance we need to find. But that service in that perimeter area you're talking about, I mean how do you, it doesn't seem that bad to me. Am I the only person? Oh, it's awful. I mean mean I'm down there all the time I live right there and I can tell you at the town park station when the snowmass Rotary was doing its wine festival and we were trying to do Auction silent auction you probably remember this julienne we were using the iPad technology We would lose coverage, we would lose signals, you couldn't people's iPhones would go off or they wouldn't go off on items so people had items that they bid on but they didn't get because I mean it was, it was nice to go back to paper and pencil. Yeah, well this site would eliminate the necessity to go back to paper and pencil. It would be bad down at the road. I can tell you that issue in particular is a capacity issue. So when you have all of those people in one area like that, that's when it's going to get particularly bad. I mean, I know it's bad at jazz asking. And there's just so many people there. But I mean, I thought that more events were moving towards the core. No, it's true. I mean, there's two issues going here. The demand for this is really up to Verizon to make that decision. But yeah, with JAS is going to stay there. Bloom Festival stay down there. Certainly our June, the early June, which is used to be a man with and now the beer festival will be back up at the core. Scottish Festivals coming back up at the core. And if we find if we need the demand up there, we'll be talking to them about we need to expand service at the core. And that's what we're trying to get done. All right, I have one more question. In the staff recommendation, it said additional concealment and screening. It said additional concealment and screening. Does what they're showing us, I mean, is that meat? What you're saying? I mean, because I didn't know. I mean, it looks the same as in what you sent us. It looks, I mean, that's what I pretty much thought I was going to look like. Does that meet the additional concealment and screening? I guess is what I wanted to know. I think so. I think that was I wanted to. I think so. I think that was carried forward in the planning commission recommendation. It's also when you're draft. And just the point out the applicant that's made a building permit application, concurrently with this land use application, said that they would have to amend it with these drawings to incorporate the screening technique. Okay. And we make sure when we review the building permit, whether zoning compliance that it complies with these conditions and your resolution if it gets accepted. Okay. Any other questions? No? Any questions? Chris, is that the last point? Yeah, and this was one of those core issues was at least contract requirements. And those are the three points that were dressed specifically in the language in your packets. So far, the vehicular access goes. It would be limited in temporary during construction. As far as the easement goes, I would like to say easements,, easements are how we generally go about dealing with utilities. And the site does serve a public good, so we feel that that public good, despite that easement being held by private entity, would be consistent with the public use of the land. And then the indemnification, I did submit a modified indemnification agreement with the initial application that I believe was being reviewed by legal, but it's sitting there now. And if we hadn't heard response, but if it's rejected, then we'll happy to work with Council to make sure that we're all in agreement in part as far as identification goes. Can I ask one more question? Sure, you can ask. Do you often put antennas in places like that like playgrounds where kids are playing and I mean I was just curious. You know I can speak to a couple projects I've had personally that are in very densely populated public areas in small cell sites and that's that's pretty typical of these types of facilities. Yeah, we put them everywhere including on top of RUX schools, places like that. Okay, I was just curious. I didn't know anything about these before we read this application. So just that, really just out of curiosity for no particular reason other than, unless it just brought up this question about, more densely populated areas. But what's the voltage like that the equipment you use uses is what's the voltage level? Well, this is going to be a lot smaller than usual. I think we're only going to be using 220 there. Might not even be that for voltage, I think we're only going to be using 220 there. Might not even be that for voltage, but you may be talking about the RF emission too. Well, that too, I guess. It's quite lower than these large towers that are up on top of the mountain tops. We just don't need the power to get to where we need it. So when you bring in these temporary, I think called cows, certain... Yes, sir. ...weals, events. Where are they as high as this, the 25 foot vent, then? I believe so. Yeah, last year I think we were right around 20 foot. So my point is to colleagues here, is that if we were to bring one in and set it up before the event or a moral date situation where we have the crowds would it be worth the while to see what the reception does at that point. If it's something that we should consider. You know, because I think the town, I think everybody wants better coverage. You know, everybody's used to being in the mountains and regardless of what carrier you have, if you've got 18T, you lose it down by village market or you lose things everywhere in different places. So I don't know if that's worthwhile thinking about bringing it to Cal. They're probably, they're probably to bring them in. Well, not for us. If they, if they, it costs about 60 grand to deploy. And you know, we have been, we've been deploying those for the past two years, right there at that spot, right by the rodeo center there. And it's necessary, especially when you get that many people there. Currently we have one site here in town. It's on the western hotel, I believe. And it's serving the entire town. And the reason that the coverage is pour over in that area is that mountain as you go around brush creek road kind of blocks that area there so we're trying to tuck aside in around that that mountain there and also if you have so many people using one tower it can stop the usage for that that tower entirely and people can block calls not be able to make phone calls. And so if you have all those people coming to that part of town, it can stop the coverage for the entire town right now, since that's our only site. OK, thank you. Do I have a motion for the passage of this resolution as written. So moved. I'm going to second it. Thank you, Tom. Any further discussion on support? Say aye. Hi, aye, opposed. Same thing. It's passed. Thank you. Can you? Okay. I'll now close the public hearing. We will now move in to administrative reports. The first item up is priorities for the FAB. Greg Smith. Hi there, Greg. How are you? Good to see you. I'd like to thank Council for their time. I am Greg Smith and I have the privilege and honor to serve as the chairman of the Financial Advisory Board. The reason I'm here today is a simple one and I think my presentation will be very brief. We have a strong group of members of our Financial Advisory Board and we want to make sure that we're working on the items that Council would like us to work on. So that's the simple summary. Clint and Mary Ann do a great job of getting us information on just about any subject that we ask for. But in many cases, it's based on going through the budget which we have done in some detail and we do present that to you once we've gone through it. And it's based on capital improvement projects that come to us as sort of a normal course of events. And generally, the ones that we take a look at, the capital improvement projects are $25,000 enough. But we tend to bite off the larger ones to try and discuss them within our group. We also, from time to time, will get a special request such as we had a couple of reviews with the Aspen School District, as you will recall. But we have included in your materials some items that we thought were of interest. And frankly, it's probably a list of such length beyond, again, the normal capital improvement projects that we would look at. That these would largely be review-only items where Clint and his team and their experts would come in and share with us, for example, the town owned and least vehicle expenses, insurance coverage, and we probably would not be able to take a deep dive on all of those unless we or you saw a reason to. So to summarize, the list that is in front of you are the projects that we thought were of interest. Again, beyond the core responsibilities of budget and capital improvement projects, but we wanted your view, if you don't mind, of whether those are things of interest to you, and even more importantly, whether there are other things of more interest to you. So I'd be happy to elaborate further on any of them or answer any questions you might have or Clint, open it up to your views or any comments you'd make, Clint. I had a question for you, Greg, as I was going through the list. I know that we have just been through a financial auditor we're currently going into the auditor. It's here. I mean, it's just in the field work just in the. Just in the well the audit report will be coming back. I don't know. I've said on this council for well over six years. I've never ever seen the audit report presented to council since I've said here. And I am not aware that it has ever been reviewed by what we have in the, you know, poor profit non-profit business is an audit committee. Is it something? I mean, with the skill set you have on that committee, it would appear to me it needs to be presented to somebody other than just the town staff. I would agree with you. I was not aware of that and we would, again speaking for myself, but I think I can speak for the committee, I think we would be well equipped to do that and I think personally, it's a good idea. And as you know, Markey, from your experience in the corporate world, an audit committee would review that and also review it privately, excluding the management. Yes. I think it's, again, in the corporate world, it's a matter of good governance. I would defer to council, but if you would like us to do that, we would be more than happy to do that. I would personally like it. I would defer to council but if you would like us to do that we would be more than happy to do that. I would personally like it. I would agree. Then, are you fine with that? I'm fine with it. Okay. Fine, fine with it. That's it. The other... Before we leave that one, leave it with the FAB or do you... I mean, I guess we can bring it back to the council as well if that's something except you guys at time. I just the way it strikes me is that I like the FAB to do a review and then provide suggestions or recommendations or comments to the council. I think that uses the expertise that has been developed in all the right in FAB, in all the right places. It would be happy to do it. If there are any. Yeah, if there isn't. You know, I'm. But the town gets a full audit. And then just to mean speak for five, they come back squeaky clean. So it's a pretty bad review. But my question would be, as a governing body, and this is where I may, I don't know, the state of Colorado law. In the private world, the audit report is required to be approved after recommendation coming out of the audit committee to the governing body. I don't know if that's true. And I asked the auditors last year when they did the interview. I never got an answer on that question. I don't know if that's required or not. I don't know if it's required, but the process that you've described again, you're absolutely right in the private world, or corporate world, an external auditor, reviews it and actually in corporations, that group reports to the audit committee, not to the entity itself. Audit committee reviews it and there's typically a discussion around where were the areas of disagreement if any, what items were noteworthy in the audit, and then there's a separate private discussion with the auditor on their assessment of the control environment and any other recommendations that they would have. I think that we need to take a look at that whole process. And I know the town has been squeakly not at, but you just never know. to say now that the accounting standards are completely and not early separate for private and government. There's a entity called the government accounting standards board that does all the standards for government. And I can guarantee you that the town complies with them. And I'm not belittling your desire for discussion about those ought to reports, but there is no, they are compliant with all of GASBAS standards. And you're more than welcome to do it, but I don't want you to say because the private sector has to do this, but it's the same for government. That's the only point I'm making. Yeah, I did hear about that from the audit people and went to the and part of it, you know, when again, it's a matter of how you guys want to invest your time. We've got them. This is this is not the additional work for us just to meet an additional meeting time for you guys. And so I mean when we went last week or two weeks ago, the last council meeting, you know, we review the lot of the year end numbers. And and. And so that's part of our effort at that, it's kind of the more informal approach, but if you guys wanted to go to the audit, and there's, I mean, to Greg's point, I mean, everything that we talk about are those issues, what don't we agree with, where there have been discussion, what kind of control issues come up. If that's something that you guys would like to see that's easy to do is just you all need to commit to saying yeah you want to do it because having done it for a number of years about 50% of the eyeballs roll back through some of the process and again if it's something you want to delegate to the FAB a staff you tell us you want to hear it we can easily schedule it have the auditors make presentations for us in any kind of format that you all think is most effective for you. Or again, we can do it at our board and then we can report it off to you, it's your call. But there are I boss go back. We would make it a brief report. I think this is just a question really for any of the three of you. And that is, when was the last time that we did an evaluation of the town's insurance coverage in terms of risk assessment and also, quote, for coverage? Now, are you talking about liability or are you talking about health? Well, I think I'm talking about non-benefit. So I'm not talking necessarily about health, I think in this case because we kind of separated out compensation and benefits in another part of this. So you're talking about reviewing our source of coverage? Well, yeah, liability. So our... Well, I think John, it goes maybe, I don't know, I'm not sure I understand what source of coverage is are, but to me it would go to fire, it would go to... Casualty in liability. Yeah, Casualty in liability. Right. Okay. I saw that in the report. Is that all, Cerca? So we have those two are Cerca, then our workmen's comp is pinnacle. Yeah. And then health insurance is separate. But the workmen's comp and Cerca can do workmen's comp but they don't for us here. Okay. So I guess the question is how is there another option to serve for casualty and liability? And if there is, have we, when was the last time we got competitive quote? I mean, I don't know what John's experience is, but I can tell you my personal experience. I've tried to shop it in other communities because of the complexity of liability and property casually, the towns have to carry because of police officers for us transportation, the specifications of indemnity and whatnot. And he could speak far more to the legal issues, but it's a very difficult insurance to shop. And I'm confident in telling you that probably at least 80 probably closer to 95% of the municipalities in the state carry services. Yes, you serves as of that. I would say in the category of our size 100%. I've tried to shop it and it's it is so difficult to come up with something even remotely close and the FABs ask that question, and I don't want to sound like I'm trying to sell Cersei, but this is what they do. And Cersei stands for Colorado Intergovernmental Risk Sharing Association. It's a nonprofit. They set the rates. They've got a board that reports to the rest of the municipalities, and this is how they operate is based on the specifics that towns have, any municipality has with public safety, roads, things that most other organizations deal with. Yeah. And it was set up, it was set up a long time ago because I'm a very soft insurance market that was made about 10 or 12, I mean, this guy didn't create it, it's been in place for 30 years now I think 40 years now but that doesn't mean you can't if it's the request of the FAB looking to this stuff you have to do is say okay and then they'll come back with a report to you and say wow source is the best thing going don't waste your time with it and now that we've clarified that that is the insurance coverage and risk that they want to look into they're under the sections in the code and this this was all changed in 2010. They are allowed to request jobs, tasks, I think one of the things we're trying to do if I if I understand Greg's request too is to prioritize which of these things we seem to be more important, or less important. That's correct. So I'm not sure, normally, in a thinking outside the governmental realm, I would think that insurance coverage and risks are important know are a important are important to continue to review on a continuing basis of some sort. And I think you're still identifying and then you will prioritize because you have their list and in addition to their list you've asked about audit review and then we've clarified what the insurance review you want to do. And I think as we wrap up this conversation, you will prioritize. And at this point, there are suggestions on things that you might want that board to consider review and report on. Okay. Yep. And I agree. Okay. Yep. And I agree. Okay. Yeah. The insurance coverage to me is just in terms, you know, I'm very aware of Cersei and talking with other people. They've gone down the rabbit hole and come back up with Cersei. So to me, it wasn't so much the insurance carrier of the issue is adequacy of coverage. Well, does that include risk analysis too? Yeah, that does. Okay. Okay. Obviously, from looking at, we may have some taxes coming into the ballot questions for 2016 we would want to keep that first and foremost to me. Well you've got either the Aspen Public School coming in, you've got some as water and sand. And I think everybody's doing their own analysis but who's going to aggregate those? Well, that was a question and frankly within our group, there was a bit of debate because we are the snowmass, financial advisory board, and many, in fact, all of the ones we've listed actually extend beyond that. Certainly we can work on any of these that you would like us to and provide you with our own assessment. It will again be before a snowmast perspective and we don't necessarily have a lot of influence over the entities that will be coming in to talk with us, but we would be happy to do that. We had some cooperation from the school board in meeting with us. We have not met with the fire district or the water. Well, what I hear out there on the street is more what does this mean to me? I've got a fixed income. So if every one of these are coming forward, what impact does it have on me and what I have to pay? Not that they're opposed or we're taking a stance in terms of opposition or for it's. How does it all fit together in the past? It's the collective, so to speak. I mean, I had a conversation with Kit Hambi the other day and we were talking about the water and sand proposal. And it's really a collective of all these various things. And for me, it even goes back to the 20, I guess the 2015 reappraisals, property reappraisals, where in other years, when there's been a significant reappraisal, the entities have reduced the millage in order to basically balance the thing out. But that didn't happen this time. And as a result, I think a lot of people, myself included, were pretty surprised about the increase in their taxes. And we have to be, I think we as this elected body, we have to be pretty careful about when we are being asked to approve either increased taxes or redirecting monies that have what would be coming do, or bonds that have been coming due, and in moving them into a different direction, we have to be really careful about how much stress we're putting on the community in terms of their tax load. Agreed. And I don't want to speak for Clinton and staff, but that is certainly something with their support that we could keep an eye on and look at the total story, which is what you're suggesting. I think that would be really helpful. I would submit to you that the total picture has changed since the FAB did their review of the school district proposal based on the actions of a couple special districts. Well, that's true. Because without that, without their review a year ago, we wouldn't have gotten the school district to put on the ballot, the increase that their maximum, up to their maximum millage. Right. Correct. That's right. And we know that the new budget proposal that's working as well, the way that came out of the governor's office, had a pretty large increase on education as well. So I need to go into consideration. Then. I'm sorry, that would be a good proposal. I'll have to ask you. Then. What are we doing on the town? We saw the town benefit package. It only gets worse in healthcare insurance. It doesn't get better. That is. It's got to really, really, really figure out some other ways or I just it's it's it's almost mind-boggling when I look at what benefits cost in today's world. We have had two reviews of that and I think you certainly understand the story and it will get worse over time and the excise tax has been moved off to 2020 and who knows where that will land but we will certainly be exposed to the excise tax as well whenever it happens unless the rules totally change. And I want to leave it hanging there. We live in a very high cost area for health care coverage and I'd say the odds are pretty high that we will be exposed to the excise tax even if we reduce benefits. It's not that there is an easy solution to this equation and as Clint has pointed out it's certainly an HR matter as well. We can do the financial analysis but ultimately it's an HR matter. Well and on the ballot it's going to be the single payer system coming in 2016 it appears in the single payer system. I don't think color addicts they think it's going to be free. It's a cost and the significant cost to tax payers. I guess my thought about that is comes back to some discussions we had at the end of the year where we thought one approach, at least one approach would be to have an outside survey the town of our town employees to determine just how we're the importance lies benefits versus salary and in what manner of speaking and that might help that might help both the town and Mary-in in the finance department and the FAB and Clint, everybody involved to structure the salaries and compensation and benefits. The end of the greats point, I mean that's the one thing we struck. So they did a very thorough review of when we went through the healthcare analysis. They only had very few role by this back. There's a lot of data that was present to be went over it. And what we kind of, when we had that discussion, one of the outcomes was, the expense, those kind of things, the excise tasks, coming out in 2020, the thing that I'll point it out and Greg just mentioned it, but I'll mention it again, is, you know, there's a finance implication to all those decisions, and there's the HR implication. And with these guys we're very clear, they're happy to weigh in on the finance part. Well, and I think what I'm suggesting is that we need to do both go down the, we both, the HRN, the finance side need to go down the road in parallel. And they do. And so just so you know, I mean, I can take an hour long discussion. It's like, yes, I hear the fact that if we do this, we can reduce money or reduce expense. But if we reduce expense, there's HR ramifications. And that was the part of the discussion that the decisions can't be made in vacuums. And the discussion we had back before was, absolutely. You can save here We can't be made in vacuums and the discussion we have back. That's a great forth was. Absolutely. You can save here. It's going to cost there and here's the outcomes that may or may not happen. And I think it was, I'd like to do good discussion. It was a good discussion and if council isn't aware of all the facts between Clinton and our group, we can certainly provide you with that. But it does boil down to the two sides. And it's not a simple equation in that everybody is at a different position. And you will get the full spread of employee feedback from young people without a family to older people. And it's hard to reach a conclusion of one size fits all, but certainly there are outside firms that can help with that judgment and help share best practices from other entities that they've looked at. Well, you know, everybody is looking more and more at the cafeteria style, the flex benefit, the HSAs, on and on and on is there's not an infinite amount of money to run around. There's only a finite amount. And the question becomes from the employee, employee-employer perspective as what is most important to the employer's employees in order that we can design a program that meets their needs at Y cost and everyone has different needs. Correct. I don't want to suggest and put forth. They're not HR considerations. There was also trade-offs. And it is to all of your point. it is a very large item in the budget. I mean, it is a major, a major item, but obviously of major importance to employees as well. Well, and I also am interested in what are other municipalities doing. They're, we do have some of that data. Yeah, it's all of those issues, the ingredients that go into what we have the dollars and cents to do. I'm always worried about another recession coming and if that happens I would though on that market complement Clinton Marianne and the council were steadily building reserves Which is a terrific place to be right? This year we took it one step for where 25% of the So just go ahead I'm sending the panel for you. Just go ahead. I was going to say, I mean, really, part of this discussion was sparse with the FAB. There's a number of items put forward. I don't know how long the list was, but it was longer than this. The FAB shortened their list of potential topics to these six or so bullet points. And really, if you read the code closely, what the code says is, the FAB can't go off and explore whatever the heck they want to explore. They get to explore with the council directs. And so I think this is the summary list of what the FAB asks for permission to be exploring. And if you guys are comfortable with this list, I think they'll work to prioritize. Staff of course will work with them. And it's been great points out. These guys all, I can't say guys, because it is all guys at this point. These folks all have day jobs or other commitments, and so there's only so much time they can put towards this. And so if we continue to work with them on their schedule and information to them, if this list is comfortable to counsel, I think we just wanna make sure that the topics are appropriate and we can do them. That's correct, Clint. And I would further take away from this discussion. Unless you tell me I am misinterpreted, we will also look at the total tax impact of all of the pieces that are either near at hand or likely to be coming in the future. And the audit. And we will put up this list insurance up toward the higher end of the priority. And then as anything comes to your attention that you'd like us to look at, or as any major project is coming out of Ann and Clint's world, we'll be happy to take a look at it. Greg, what do you mean by town owned and least vehicle expenses? Is that an owner lease kind of a no? No, it was it was meant to be all of the vehicles that are running around. How long do we keep them who makes the decision? What's the bidding process? Part of it is own versus lease, but part of it is how many and how long and the right priorities. And in that case, Quint said they've got all that information readily and then he was, and he was confident we'd be very impressed by the data that we have. So again, I would probably, based on this discussion, move that a little further down, but that's what we've got. Great. Thank you. And thank you very much for your leadership great thank you we will fare forth when does the audit conclude okay we will put that first up thank you thank you so very much hey, we have the variable message for discussion. Does everybody need a break or? This will hopefully be just a couple of minutes. Okay. It's just a discussion of how you want to see. Yeah, yeah. Just a few minutes. It's not a decision of what you're doing overnight. It's a discussion of how do you want to proceed if you want to proceed with reviewing this bill. OK, we'll go about 20 minutes and then I'll ask for a break. I can straight from bail and pedal to the metal. So in your packet, Anne Martin's public work director, in your packet was a memo discussing the digital message board. As some of you may recall, this was an agenda item. We talked to one of the first work sessions last May. And then I came up as a topic of discussion, again, in October. And I think where we were at was we didn't have clear direction of where to go. And so we thought we'd bring it back and have some discussions about should we continue to pursue this project? Is it not the right time? Is it not the right idea? And attached to your packet was the memo from May 7th of last year and really talked about the program we were talking about was combining two processes that we've got going on. One is the banners on Woodbridge, and the second was the implementation of our wayfinding sign program, which I had attached those images of some of the things. As you recall, there are signs that we've been working on. Some are not in place because they'll be installed with the Roundabout Project. But some of them are the digital signs and dealt with more information to the public as far as parking and things like that. So we were looking at combining two projects into one and basically looking at the idea of putting digital signs on Woodbridge. And so we had some renderings on that attachment that had basically the same size of the banners. There are three by ten would be the digital science that currently the banners are three by twelve. And, you know, we're just looking at the ideas of, this is something we want to pursue. We've thrown out some ideas up, you know, we talked about it some of the work of the other committees and to see what their feedback was, a marketing board, obviously is on board. on board, you can go to any board and someone's going to have a different perspective. But we also have been talking to one of the vendors who has done the science in Vale as you get off the exit there. It's a little bit different type of program we were proposing as a not the amber lights, the yellow light signs like you see going into the arc in that area over on Moon Creek but looking at more of a system that would match the banners. So that's what we're at. And so we've been continuing that conversation on a demo and we just need to know if we want to even go down that road or not. And if you remember, I when this was last discussed, it was kind of a no thank you. Definitely not right now, probably dead on arrival. So let's not talk about it. Yeah, I was the the way I'm not as in putting names on. Please have a look at that one. But then when we went back and reprioritized the topics before the council for issues to discuss, you said we wanted to discuss this. So tonight really, it's that do we want to take this issue forward because you want to explore it. We can come up with a game plan. We can say, hey, this would be the date sweet demo. And here's how we do it. We can come back with something more detailed. Or is it something that, if you came back as a, you know, putting digital message boards, aka TV type screens on the Woodbridge is still DOA, that's fine. We just don't wanna go down that or kick a dog that doesn't need to be kicked or anything, but to count you all and your wisdom said, we wanna talk about it. So here we are talking about it. Okay, I need to own up to the whole DOA concept. And the reason why it was DOA was how much could the count take on at that period of time? That's what you said. It was not anything I hate digital signs. It's what the town can tolerate because we had, if you will, the wonderful hours of discussion about the roundabout. We had base village going, who's on first, who's on second. So it was prioritizing. Well, I'll tell you. I mean, coming from planning department originally, I felt the same way that I didn't like it. But after discussing this with my main citizen, my wife, she says she doesn't read the banners. OK. Now, I could see these signs being very useful on snowy days if we have them on the opposite side also and maybe just one that would say give you a road report. You come down that road and accident ahead, take out creek road or steep and slippery nuts. I would have never slipped there. I would have gone to the other side. God bless as you leave our town. Right? Dogs let available. Anyway, my point is I think I'm seeing a better, a different view of the digital sign and the usefulness of it. And coming up when the banner's blowing on a windy day like this afternoon, you can't really focus on what that banner is saying anyway. You really can't read it even if you tried to read it. And it seems like we put a lot of time and effort into putting those batters up and down and people do pay for those batters to be put up and the size will probably pay for themselves in the long run I assume. We've charged for it. That's what we propose. I mean, we would write through a whole whole whole whole. Somebody has to set a process. So there is going to be, as long as I have spell check on the digital signs, I think would be OK. But I guess now I see the usefulness of a digital sign. Should I just go down the row? I don't care. I can go I was looking at my notes from the work session All right, you got your notes go for it Set the work session You said that you spend 20 to 30 thousand dollars on banners a year Yeah, the marketing tours will not you the town. Yeah, and that's free You know, I mean, it's last And there's a limit, right, limit to five a week. So my question is, how, I mean, obviously, if you go to digital, can, I think we discussed it, but I don't have a written down like, how many more sort of graphics can you accommodate? How much, I mean, can we, I mean, we're not going to be spending that money on that, but obviously the digital signs are going to be a big investment in the beginning. But if we can accommodate more signs, we could probably be making more money. Correct. So, you know, and I'm not here to do a sales job, but any means I want to talk to you. No, I just am curious. I want to talk through the things that I know will be challenges. And topics that you may have as well and things I think you should all consider before we venture down this. And one of them is definitely on that flashing aspect. We would need to definitely talk to the experts on what they would recommend as far as a turnover and time delay on signs. You don't want to be changing them out. I don't even want an example of that, you know, anywhere in the Midwest where they have the sales signs and all the digital signs. The other consideration is, you know, this is for public messaging. So our banner policy right now is community purpose, nonprofits, those types of things. But just like you had a conversation on cell towers, is this going to open a conversation of other requests? And are you ready for that conversation to come from other entities saying, can we put a sign like that in front of our, or can we change the codes that will allow that type of sign? So that's just one of those topics that we need to embrace and figure out. The answer yes or no, or do you want to consider it in the future? And that really does change to Clinton's point is to embrace and figure out the answer yes or no or do you want to consider it in the future and I in that really does change to Clint's point is to change the aesthetics to the community so we just need to be cognizant of that. I'm supportive on the sense that we can get the messages out and that's my job and try to get the messages out and try to get information but it's a character change too so we need to talk about that and after our last conversation at the work session, we did receive, I don't know, probably about five comments, negative, and I don't know if you received emails or comments, but those are the ones that I received. So. I received all kinds of comments. Postes and linuses. Right. And so that's the question is, do we do a test run? And you you kind of we set up a criteria. I think we talked about doing a test run. Right. That was me. Yeah. Because we had discussed something about, yeah, we did about putting a tester out there to see how it worked. Because my other question is too, like let's say for instance pick an alert, send that an alert. Right. How would that translate to those banners? Like can it really get on those banners that fast? Right, so how it operates is that they're wireless now that it doesn't need to be hardwired from the bridge to whatever the control site is. They can do that wirelessly. It would most likely be sitting up either in marketing as the control site because they control the two line VMS sign down at Compact Station. That one actually is hardwired to Tom Park Station, but this would be wireless connection. And then we'd have protocols in place. So like if chief Olson needs to get a message out, Amber alert or something, those Trump everything, all those types of things with Trump and then that's to dictate those. And even so much that we have technology that you can go on from a remote site. So if say it's happening at eight o'clock at night, no one's in marketing and tourism to put the message on, Brian would have the technology to get down there and change that. Yeah. So there's there's so many avenues available. It's amazing. Is it plausible to pilot one? There is. We've been talking to the company, Dectronics, they're the number one manufacturer of these signs. They have what we believe is on a backup trailer. I was hoping to have a picture. What I would like to do is, based on the conversation we have today, if that's, you want me to continue to pursue it, we can get a picture when we come back and talk more about those and talk about that game plan of how we would gather information and do a test. And so what I think it is is in the back of a trailer and we can look at putting it on woodbridge, closing the woodbridge for a while, and getting it close to the scale on that location to see what it looks like. Because otherwise it's on the side of the road and I don't know if you have a context right? Yeah, it doesn't really look the same. And then a definitive, you may get a of yes or no. To some extent depends on how long it'll be up there. Well, that's conversation, too, timing of when to put this up. Yeah. I mean, only other concern with the science is just how well we'll be able to read them. And is it dangerous if you're staring at them and then you get an accident? I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know how many people actually look at the banners. I mean, most of the time I go under the banners and I don't even pay attention to them. But I go under every week I look forward to what's new up there. Well, I think after a while, it's just like you know they're there, but you know, they're constantly switching out once in a while they catch my eye. But I also think they're a little bit easier to read. I mean, I just don't worry, it's going to be small. It's going to be the same, I understand. It will be the same. Same dimension wise. Yeah, it was graphic. Two-foot narrow. That's what I was telling you. Because of where the beams are on that. If you looked at that image with the thing right there. Yeah, so it's a little bit smaller. But we could deal with font size too. So I think what I like about the banners is that they're not all the same. They have graphics on them that differentiate the fonts and the print sizes are different. And I'm concerned that if we use message boards, that everything looks too much the same. And it becomes a little too mechanical. So if there's some way in message boards to make them a little more Customizable, you know the messages more customizable I would love to you know go down that road and and think about it from from that perspective That is that's the I Know I'm not an advocate for the television. So just so you know my bias, but That if you're gonna be a promoter of this, that is it. Is that with the screens there, they can be multi-colored, multi-colored. They can look very different. Versus the banners are relatively similar to television. And I just want to say something in relationship to a list's comment that she drives by and doesn't pay attention to him. I'm not saying I never pay attention. I'm just saying. Well, once in a while they all the same and some of them are really long and so I don't want to take my eyes off the road and look up and see what it says. You always know when they're the town better. I mean, I know the Easter stuff is up right now. I mean, I do pay attention. Okay. But I'm I know the Easter stuff is up right now. I mean, I do pay attention. OK. I'll reunite some. But I'm just saying, sometimes it's more information than it's just like the one in Aspen going across Main Street. I mean, can you really sit there and read it? No, but I think what happens, at least what happens with me, is that if you're up and down that brush creek is a main road. If you're staying in snowmess whether you're a resident or a guest, you are generally up and down that road multiple times. And maybe you don't look at every, you don't try to look at the whole sign or the whole line of signs. You kind of pick out one, you look at that, and you're under the bridge, and next time you pick out another one that and you're under the bridge and next time you pick out another one and you're under the bridge um I mean I just think it I don't know that's kind of how it's very systematic. Yeah that's who I am. Oh can I tell you anyway that that I think we try that that's my I think we should test it I think it's worth to test it because I think the only way you're truly going to get public comment and an understanding of it is to test it because once it goes up there Either people are going to be real happy or they're going to be real upset. Well, I agree and but With the caveat that I think the only the only test that really is valid will be to hang it from the bridge. Yep. Yeah, I think we try it Okay, you like it. I think we try it. OK, you like it. I think we try it if you can come back. We'll get more details on what that trailer looks like. I'll try to get it as close to that location. Come back before we set it up. Well, and knowing how much you've got on your plate right now with the roundabout and everything, it may not be your top priority because I always... I've got steps. Steps working on this. OK, fine. We'll put together a game plan, but the direction I'm taking from the council is put together a program where we can run a test drive or a trial period, but everyone can call it and you can see what it looks like. And we can feed back that way and see if it's successful or not. Can be successful or not. Well, the photo you have in there is not hung, it's kind of embedded into the bridge. It is, it's framed out. I mean, that's what we're proposing is to frame it. So it's kind of like a TV scenario. Let us see what we can come up with. I mean, your goal is to make it to look as much as it would look like for his permanent. And we can let us find out what we can do. I just didn't want to go and put up some kind of trial like this and how do you all say? What do you think? Come, guys, this is good. And if the direction is this to a trial period, Let's get some feedback. The direction we'll take and do as good a job as we can. Great. Thank you. Thank you, Linda. Thanks, yeah. Okay. Town Council reports and actions. Alyssa, anything? I have a Northwest Cog phone conference on Thursday. We're building this system. It's just phone. They've changed it so now like they've interspersed more phone ones. So it's just phone. The next but the one after that is in Glenwood. Oh great. I believe. And then the only other thing which I discussed with Claire is that the work session in June, I forgot there was a work session. And I scheduled to come home that day and I'm driving home from Denver and so I was gonna see if it was possible just to move the work session to five. Clint doesn't want me to talk to you about moving the time because he thinks it's a bad idea to move the times around but I just don't want to miss it because I'm going to be gone July. So that's just, we don't have to side now, but... That's my... Mine. Just get on your giddy up early. Morning, get out of there. My pitch was, I mean, if you start moving around for one, when you move around for everybody, and that was for people's assistance. So it's up to you all how you want to set the meetings. We changed them before, but when Tom was gone, we kind of gave him that good luck on your vacation. We'll see when you get back and I was just trying to be consistent with all my bosses. I think we have to be consistent to the community. But it's up to you guys. I was just defending myself. Well, and actually you did move the flight time. You didn't you didn't move that we moved the time for the work sessions after it already booked my foot Yeah, there you go. So what time do you land? Well, I land to 10 30 but I'm by myself and so I should be home by then, but I you know Well, it's just take it by your he should be home of 10 30. It's 11 30 Yeah, there you go. That's a good idea. Okay. I had a raft aboard meeting and I will share with you. There is a great deal and I forgot to bring all of my notes. Let that on the table this morning, but there seems to be two major themes operating right now at RAPTA. One is the impact of the Grand Avenue Bridge. One of the decisions of RAPTA was to take one of their smaller buses that will not be used because mountain will be closed. And that will become a little commuter in downtown Glenwood Springs, which will be great. It'll hit the lodges and then come across the bridge to get people into the rest of it. Given, if I drill it today, twice, back and forth. And it's a hiccup already in Glenwood Springs. And the merchants are losing money already. Already. Yeah, it's going to be, it's pretty significant. Is it that people are going down to the West Glenwood exits? You have to go to the West Glenwood exit now to get off. To get off coming going west? You can't get on. If like today when I headed to Vail, I had to go all the way to West Glenwood to get off coming going west you can't get on if like today when I hit a DeVale I had to go all the way to West Glenwood to get on get on and to get off I could get off there at grand and then you come across and you can't as you all know it's street and seventh street are pretty well closed and then they've got all this it's hard to find parking places. You're walking generally two to three blocks in the evening. Is the east bound, or the west bound exit, west bound exit always closed now? Oh no, it's the east bound entrance, right? That's always closed. It is right now. And it's going to be closed for a while, then they open it and then they close it again. The westbound will be closed. It's periodic. So that's a little commuter thing. Mike Gambit was not at the meeting. We did talk about the We Cycle Program. And the initial notion was talk about the, we, we, we cycle program. And the initial notion was about $500,000 or $600,000 for their program. With the understanding that municipalities would accept a we cycle program. After it's no longer needed, England would springs, I made the statement that we cycles very difficult for snowmass given The terrain that we feel there's nothing flat. There's nothing flat They do have e-bikes, but getting into the recycle program with e-bikes is very pricey We also had a conversation. Well, I should go back on the whole bridge project. The pedestrian bridge that was there adjacent to the main bridge going across Grand Avenue is going to be relocated. I think it's 14th Street. So you'll be able to come from Midland of the path across by the high school, which should help in terms of kids getting to high school or people taking bikes coming to work over on the grandside. So that's kind of the raft updates for the Grand Avenue Bridge. The larger discussion got into the strategic planning for RAF 2, 5-year-10-year plan. The consultant, which is Parsons, came in. It's very pricey and it's totally not all within the budget. There are four phases that were divided over basically about a year, year and a half, the plating future, bus needs, transportation. The downside is it's going to cost north of a million dollars, and we had in the budget about 200,000. Just for the survey, just for the study. Yes, the consultant. Wow. So a lot of discussion about the proposal and that will be further discussed as our next board meeting and more than likely We'll move into the strategic planning session for schedule for June and Those are the biggies Okay, well I had a went to to a relapse meeting about a month ago. We approved a budget which was essentially the same as 2015 of $34,000 and of course that budget is met primarily by donations from the member towns. The aquatic nuisance study is going to be the same as it was last year, which is part time primarily on weekends. And we had a presentation from April Long, who is the Water Quality Manager at Aspen. And April talked to us about the Upper Rowing Fork Management Plan and her a study to look at water flows above Aspen and then again below Aspen to see if to look at aquatic life to see what changes there may be taking place in aquatic life and also to try to look at opportunities to add water back in at some point either through water conservation or other means and to try to maintain a more consistent in-stream. And as an aside, in my conversation with Kit this week, he mentioned to me that April is looking at brush creek at 82. And where brush creek now goes through some of the aspen property that's around the intersepleot, looking at inflows and looking at potential contaminations. So, kids considering that as a, I guess as a signal that the wastewater releases from the sewage and sewage treatment plant may end up being studied or looked at by Aspen as they move from whatever they find at 82 and you know move it back up the stream eventually to our sewage streaming plant so. Is that within her jurisdiction? I don't know. Well that's another one. That's another whole thing. But again, I think in kids' mind it ties in with the changes that have the improvements that have to be made to the treatment plan. And that's really where the high points of the will-wap a meeting as it relates more or less to snowmass. I had been out of town for the last core meeting, the second week of February. I think the next one's coming up in April. But I have been continuing my backstage tour of Snowmass Village last week. This has been really good. I'm moving. I'm as rich last week. This has been really good. I mean, I'm telling you. Last week, I spent a couple hours with Joe Coffee in the housing department. And, you know, and if you, you know, we've all seen Joe come and present his presentations and everything he does. And meeting some of the long-term employees that we have working for us in housing, looking at the shop, going through what they do when they do turnovers with apartments. These are all great things and I think I'm going to continue with Clinton figure out whether I'm going to marketing next and maybe save financial to the end or something since the numbers aren't my best thing. I'm pretty good at math though. It's called boring. What's that? I'm playing on it. I'm going to come see you. Best for last. I don't want to really go to the principal's office all the time. Let me know when that's happening. But anyway, it was very interesting and I've been enjoying the tour for the last several months. And there hasn't been anybody that disappointed me in any of our departments from public works to police, to transportation, to housing. It's been very interesting and I and looking forward to continuing. That's just wonderful. Well what a great team we have here in our town very proud to be sitting up here and I'm sure everyone who is sitting here is probably up here. Absolutely. Such a great group of people we get the honor to work with. Okay, do I have anything else? Clant, any updates? Oh, Kidoke. Now we're going to move into executive session. Council will now meet an executive session pursuant to CRS 2464024 and the Snowmass Village Municipal Code Section 245C to specifically discuss two items. Personnel matters except if the employee who is subject of the session has requested an open hearing pursuant to CRS 2464024FL and Snowmass Village Municipal Code Section 245C6. And conferences with an attorney for the purposes of receiving legal advice on specific legal questions pursuant to CRS 2464024C and snowmass village municipal code section 245C2. Provided there is an infernate to code of vote of two thirds of the quorum, present at this meeting to hold an executive session. the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the court of the So I moved to go into executive session. Second. Do I have any conversation discussion? If not, I'll support say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed same sign. It is now 618. We're going to go into executive session. I have somebody in the field. We go first. Grab some food to the guys. Yeah. Sign up. Yeah, I'm a to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the you Thank you.