Good morning ladies and gentlemen, kind of commissioners Court for Tuesday, August 4th, this now session. This morning, I am invocated by the Commissioner of Obby Mitchell, and our pledges to be led by Lynn Irvingly, please say. given by Commissioner Bobby Mitchell and our pledges be led by Len Yergen, will you please stand? Gracious Heavenly Father, we thank you for this day. Lord, we give you glory and unimpraised because you're worthy to be praised. Lord, we did a few of them. We magnify your name because there's none like you, Lord. As we honor this workplace today, Lord, we bring your presence with us. We speak your peace, your grace, your mercy and your perfect audience, this workplace today Lord we bring your presence with us. We speak your peace your grace your mercy and your perfect order in this country Lord and in this county Lord. We acknowledge your power of all that will be spoken thought decided and done within these walls Lord. We ask you bless I mean and women in uniform Lord standing the gap for more Jesus touch I police officers right now Lord Jesus. Touch our police officers right now, Lord Jesus. Put a fence of protection around them as they go out and do their work for you, Lord. I thank you for the gifts that you've blessed us with, Lord. We commit them to use responsibly, Lord, in your way, in your real Lord. Not our way, or not our real Lord. I ask if you lift us up, Lord, I bow by self, Lord. Thank you for all that you do for us Lord. Thank you for being a good loving kind God for looking beyond our thoughts and seeing our needs Lord. Our country is in turmoil today Lord, but we're not a people with that hope Lord because I hope it's based on nothing less than Jesus Christ and his righteousness. Lord we thank you and we ask you give us a fresh supply of strength to do our job Lord. I know I heard our projects ideas and Lord, so that even the smallest accomplishment Lord may bring you glory, Lord. When we are confused, Lord, we ask for your guidance, Lord. When we are weary, Lord, energize us, Lord. When we are burned out, Lord, infuse us with the light of the Holy Spirit, Lord. May the work that we do and the way we do it bring faith, joy and a smile to all that we come in contact with today, Lord. I ask if you touch each person in this room today, Lord, build them up if they torn down Lord, strengthen them with a weak Lord. Bless their families Lord. And when we leave this place, Lord, but never from your presence, Lord, give us traveling mercy, Lord. Thank you for everything that you've done, you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God I actually used to find a dramatic state in the room and to the reflect like what we're just saying, one machine and another bomb. War is full. The liberty can jump up to the core and now the flag of the state of Texas. On a second cloud, I pledge allegiance to the terrorists one state and another one and of the public. Thank you, ladies. Members, item one is for a public input for items not listed on the agenda. If there's any member of the public that would like to address my short report, we ask that you please complete a public comment form. They're available on the side table. Went to remind everyone to please turn off your cell phones and pages. I've got, I believe, four public comment forms this morning. The first one I have is from Mr. Michael Clark. And he actually wishes to speak on 8-8. Do you want to wait for 8-8 to come up or do you wish to speak now? Go ahead. If you would for the record stage your name and address and you've got three minutes. Sir. My name is Michael Clark. Two three two four, Salato, Ditton, Texas. I'm here this morning, acting as the acting president of the Denton County Law Enforcement Association. Here today to ask that you carefully review all options concerning the 2016 insurance premiums that have been presented. The average employee and family are looking at a 23% increase in premiums for the medical PPO plan that has been recommended. That equates to an insurance premium of nearly $800 just for medical, dental, and vision for an employee in his family. A minimum salary of the detention officer who makes up the biggest portion of our workforce is $2,580 a month. Due to low pay and high turnover, this salary range between 30 and 35,000 represents a great number of sheriff's office employees. You're asking employees that want to have a decent insurance to pay nearly one-third of their gross salary of premiums. And after taxes that's closer to one half. Even with potential 5% increase in salary employee not making over $38,000 would still see a decrease in income if they're paying the employee and family creamers. While I understand this does not represent the highest premium offer, the employee in spouse and employee in children's area are also seeing approximately 25% increases. This makes employees with families who are the most likely to stay for job stability the ones who suffer the most. I'm aware of the impending Cadillac tax and its implications for the county. Understand that the county is taking a consumer driven approach and passing the costs along to the employee in an effort to have employees move to a higher deductible plan. That is not due to take effect until 2018 and with the lack of keeping salaries competitive this is one of our few outlets to ask for relief. I've been a sheriff's office employee for over 19 years. I've seen many people come and go. Most of the left for jobs with better pay and better benefits. Just like so many other employees who give their service to the citizens of Denton County, we hold on to the hope that we will someday be compensated equally for the job that we do as our counterparts in the surrounding agencies are. This is evident in the June 5th letter to the Court for Mamie Phillips showing public sector salaries becoming increasingly further below market even without the proposed increase in freeing. With each passing year the pay disparity gets larger and we have to continue to work with what we're given. So when we must now give up more the little we have it doesn't promote company loyalty and the business of law enforcement tenure generally means greater experience and conflict resolution and knowledge of the job which ultimately reduces civil liability to the county which translates into greater cost savings. But in order to have that we have to retain the people that make the decision to come to work here every day and do this difficult job and you don't do that by making them pay extraordinary insurance premiums that constitute a large portion of the shallower. Please review both options and vote for the one that bent the employees that are raising a family on very little and if you believe that's the plan with the higher premiums then please compensate your employees accordingly so they know you value their shows. Thank you. Good for you, Tyne. Good judge, can we just go ahead and talk about 8a right now? Let's see if you're dressed up You don't want to do 8a right now We've got three more public comment forms I think we should go ahead now that sounds good. I just thought that we could because he's talking about an item that's on the agenda. We can address it. Well, I asked if he wanted to. Yeah, I'm trying to be considered everybody's time. Okay, the next public comment farm we have is from Mr. Willoughly Hudsford. Mr. Hudsford. Good morning. Following Mr. Hudsford will be Mrs. Shirley Mann and Willoughly is going to help her Good morning. Following Mr. Hudsmith will be Mrs. Shirley Mann and Willie is going to help her to the podium. Thank you. Good morning. My name is Willie Hudsmith, I live at 623 Newton. One of the things that I have encountered other than automatic weapons at the monument when I'm demonstrating is a lot of comments. Some of them are different comments. And I'm learning from them that they are. They're just things that others find important and that they want to address. And I think that's OK. It's an immigrant America. And I fought for that. And I think that's okay. We're in America. I fought for that and I support that. People having ideas and being able to come together and discuss it. One of the things that has constantly arisen in the discussion several times is the comments that some of you have made some are only one of you and addressing it to the press and then they printed it as though it's true because you said it. Well I'm under the monument trying to address a different way from what I understand. So I think the commas just need to be cleared up with this one anyway. Was the water ever on? So this man is going to come up later on as a witness of remembrance of her childhood and the frown comes being on. And then discussing what she experienced in that situation, also in the press, some of all of you have said, they just don't remember it right. So I want whoever that is is saying the water was off and never on and that the person just doesn't remember right. I want you to say that to Miss Man. She's going to tell you what she experienced as a young child and what she experienced in that in front of that situation are at the outside and then I want you to be man and woman enough to say you just don't remember right and or listen to what she's saying and then say well maybe I was mistaken or tell us she's lying you don't remember that water being on it never was on. Either one, I want to get to make that, at least that argument, clear that today. So that's all my comments are like for this man to come up with, that's all right. I believe you'll help her. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm not talking about her experience with the Franklin. Thank you. Okay. As a little girl, I guess I've been in Denton since 1942, forty-two, somewhere along in there. I was a little girl when I came to Denton and I've lived in this area many times my mother, Eta May Williams, worked for the Boston store, the Corn Blets and Evers, hardware store people. And so I was up here quite a bit. But as a kid, as a block kid, we knew that there were only certain fountains that we could drink out of the one that said color. And so therefore, I was not allowed to drink from the little fountain out by the statue of the other fountains that were selected as white. I could not get any trouble up on this square, anywhere in town because A to M, a herald Williams would hear about it. And I was in trouble. And you didn't call nobody, grown alive, whether they were lying or not, but you were in trouble. So therefore I'm saying, I noticed that that was a fountain under the stature there, right there at the stature. There was water. The birds drank out of it, I guess, and I guess the white folks too, I don't know. Because I didn't who with that fountain because I couldn't get any trouble. What would happen if you... Who would have... What would they... Well, I said whooping. That's a whooping., I said whooping. You got whip. If you got in trouble up here and anybody tell A to M or H that surely a hero Jillian was up on the square doing this or doing that was at the white water fountain drinking out of it. I was going to be a judge because I couldn't call you alive. I called you alive, I was still gonna get it. So, you know, we knew as a black person, as a black person that there was only one fountain that you could drink out of. As I said, I could, we was here in the fort, so I've been here a long time. Not the fort is my mother died in 40, my dad married, eight of me from Ginton. I guess in 42, and we came to DIN. I wasn't even old enough to go to school at the time. But by her working for these people, we would be up here a lot. How did you know that she might suppose a drink from the family was our front? Huh? How did you know that you weren't supposed to drink out of the Confederate family in the name? That constant didn't have a blood color on it. Did someone in the square ever approach you about not drinking from that? Oh no, they didn't have to approach me from the square. The fountain that said color was the fountain that you drank out of. I was colored. I'm black. How long have you been? How long have you been? Pardon me? How long have you been colored for black? I mean, for seven, eight years. I don't mind telling you. I don't mind seven, eight years mind. I don't mind. 7 years plus. Thank you, months. I appreciate you thanking you. I didn't even need you to tell her anything. Well, under public comment, we have historical data that shows there are no water lines to the monument. She is correct that there was a water fountain on the square. It's not on the monument, though. It was on the northwest corner of the square. That particular fountain, and I can't remember what year it was, but it was... The number of drinking. The water coming from underneath that monument. All right, that was water that ran into that fountain. The birds drank out of it. I assume the rightful drinker out of it. It didn't matter to me. I would go over there and mess with it. Period. It didn't say color. And if it didn't say color, surely wouldn't go on there. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Thank you very much. Okay. The final public comment form that we have is from Miss Debrella Gonzalez. Is that correct? Gabriela? For the record, if you'll state your name and address and you have three minutes, good morning. My name is Gabriela Gonzalez. I wanted to talk about the statue as well. Actually about a year ago, I kind of realized realized with my friends like I was walking on the square and I kind of like looked up at that and I never really noticed it. I've been here for three years. I got to school here at University of North Texas and I was like looking at it and I was like our Confederate soldiers and I was like that's a little racist and I was like I'm surprised no one's any said anything about that and finally, I think whenever it was defaced, people started talking. And I don't know, I don't agree with people defacing public property because I don't know, I just think it's not, right? And it is illegal. So, but it did start the conversation that needed to be talked about whether or not that should be staying whether or not that should be staying there or not. And I believe that it should be in the museum. I don't believe in destroying history because I think we should preserve it regardless of the memories and what it meant and stuff like that. I think it should be at least preserved. And I met Willie a few weeks ago. He and I started talking and he told me his stories and his viewpoint. And it was really interesting to hear from him. And I don't know. I just kind of like made me realize that I need to make an effort and voice my opinions. I have a mind and I have a voice. And I would really like to say that I do think it should be moved. And it is offensive and some people, the people that I've noticed when I go out to demonstrate with him, I hate that it's about race but you know what, the majority of the people that come up and say something rude or how something mean to say, it's usually white people. And actually the other day these two kids, kids, came up with a Confederate flag and took a picture in front of it and I thought that was completely disrespectful and I was just like that was there was no need for that. There's people that like Willie said somebody came up with a gun to prove that he could do that and nothing happened to him. It's like that's ridiculous. Like, I hate saying this, and it honestly annoys me to the core. But if it was a black person who did that, who came up with a gun just to prove something, would probably be arrested. That's just my opinion. And I feel like that would happen. And we all know that there is a difference with people who have different races. And unfortunately that's what's happening. But I believe at this point that we have, we're in 2015, I believe that we need to change that. And we have to, I guess that's saying, be on the right side of history and make the effort to say, you know what? That's not, we're not a confederacy anymore. We're not for that. And I understand that it is a memorial for people who passed on fighting. And I'm not going to say that, like, oh, let's ox. It's like, well, no. It is, it is a memorial. And like I said, it should be preserved because it needs to be respected in the proper way, regardless of its past. And but I don't think it should be displayed for people who have a color to walk by and be like, okay, that's still there. And I don't know, that is just, I think that you should take into consideration that it is hurting people's feelings, that it is a problem for certain people. And that just because it's, you know, all its history, it's been there for so long. That's not an excuse anymore for it to just be there. So it's gone. It needs to be moved. And I hope that you guys think about it. I understand that you all have your own opinions, and I just wanted to voice mine. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your time. Members, item two is a consent agenda or the items on the consent agenda that you need to have some discussion under. Do we have a motion for approval? Motion by Commissioner Commons, seconded by Commissioner Marchant. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed to the name. Motion is carried. Consent agenda today consists of two A, which is approval of the order making appointments. We have two promotions within the County Court's office, a new hire in human resources, a new hire in the 16th district court, a new hire in Justice of Beast Prison 5. New hire in the County jail, a promotion in the County jail, and a Hire in Justice of Peace Prison 5, New Hire in the County jail, a promotion in the County jail and in New Hire in Public Health clinical. 2B is approval of the Intra Department of Transfers, 2C is approval of specifications and 30 to advertise for bid number 040152302 HVAC full service maintenance agreement. 2D is approval specifications in 30 to advertise for Rp 0615-2308 for construction dealing. County Southwest Courthouse with funding to come from 2005. Certificates of obligation, fund numbers 739-0205 year 2012 tax notes, fund 510 capital replacement fund zero I'm sorry 8 0 9 0 1 0 and 2015 tax notes fund 7 290 40 appointment of evaluation committee to include Lori Fickling Mike to the OO and Scott Aldrich 2 E is a provo renewal for cold MIPS asphalt pavement, did number 0, 614, 2257, to QPR engineering solutions. To F is a provo budget management request 101, 510, for landscaping expense for facilities management, and the amount of $16,604, and 2G is a provo building use request from Jamal and Katina Butler to use the court has on the square lawn on Saturday, August 8, 2015 from 630 to 830 for a prayer and worship gathering for the city of Denton and local churches and city polluters. 8A is a public hearing to consider, discuss, approve, and or take the appropriate action on the request for a re-plated, Paul Meadow edition. Mrs. Lantana, lots of 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, and 43. Block 12A, increasing four is recommended by the Denton County Public Works Department. We need a motion for our public hearing. I'll move. Four. I'm sorry, four A. And we have a motion by commission of EEDS seconded by Commissioner Marchin on favor please say aye I post any motion does carry Do we have any comments from? Planning good morning and now 86 greenmail for this we had 73 returned three work in favor and one of those for this we had 73 returns, three work in favor and one of those. Thank you. Is there anyone in attendance who would like to address Commissioner's Court on this proposed reply to Paul Meadow addition? Anyone in attendance who would like to address Commissioner's Court on this issue either in favor of or opposed? Are there questions from members of Court? I move we close the public hearing. Thank you. Motion by Commissioner Ead. Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. All in favor, please say aye. All right. Aye. Opposed, Cine. Motion is carried. We now need a motion for approval. I move for approval. Motion by Commissioner Ead. Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. Hearing no further comments. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed to the Senate? Motion is carried. 4B is a public hearing to consider, discuss, approve, undertake any appropriate action under the cross-order replat of Artesian North Phase 1B, precinct 1 is recommended by the kind of public force department. I'll move to open the public meeting. Thank you. I have a motion by Commissioner Coleman seconded by Commissioner Marchand I on favor please say aye aye Ho-Ceney motion is cutie comments concerning the refab We're producing one of those of 86 that were sent out Questions from members of clerk Questions from members of clerk? Anyone in attendance would like to address commissioner's court on the issue of concerning the proposed reply of our TG and North Phase 1B precinct 1. Anyone in attendance would like to address commissioner's court on this issue either in favor of or opposed to. Hearing none do we have a motion to close the public hearing? Thank you. We have a motion by commissioner Coleman seconded by commissioner Marchant to close the public hearing. Thank you. We have a motion by Commissioner Coleman, second and back commissioner March. And the public hearing on the favor. Please say aye aye. Close to me motion does carry. The motion for approval. I'll move to approve. Motion by commissioner Coleman, second and back commissioner March. And on favor, please say aye aye. Close to me motion does carry. I'm in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, aye. Motion goes carry. A 5A is approved of the bill report. Payments from CSCD, Community Corrections, TAP, Sheriff's Pranich Sheriff's Provincer, VIT, Interest, DA Check P. And DA Provincer, funds are all presented for recording purposes only. Good morning, James Lewis. I mean, Judge and Commissioner, approval as the bill of the bills as presented. On correction on separate page. Also, I'd like to also on page 62, there's a payment to Texas College Prove. That bill can go through it will not be paid out of law. It's out of law library time. How do general pay? Not qualified for the payment use of law library fees because it has nothing. It's not the law library employees or law library. So we'll make that correction that it can still be paid. Are the questions and members recorded? Do we have a motion? Motion to approve by Commissioner Marchandt. Seconded by Commissioner Coleman. Here are your questions. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, Cine. Motion to carry. Questions on favor please say aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye motion does carry 6A is approval of appointment of Holly Sadowski, Project Coordinator Rodenridge West is the Denver County Representative on the North. And the Dallas Fort Worth Clean Cities program through the North Central Texas Council of Governments and Regional Transportation Council. Motion by Commissioner Mitchell, seconded by Commissioner Eadz. Yourina questions, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Vice-Senator Eadz, motion carries. Six B is approval of amendment two, E clinical works LLC software license and support agreement for electronic medical records and practice management to add a provider to the existing agreement. This is our P02142235. We have a motion for approval by Commissioner Marchin. Seconded by Commissioner Coleman. Our questions. You're none on favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed? C name. Motion does carry. We will come back to the budget items when we get through the other items here. We're going to take up eight A and B, but I want to go to eight B first, because our decision there can have some budget implications. Eight B is approval of employer seed money, options A, B, or C to employees enrolled and high deductible health plan paired with health savings account for plan year 2016. Amy sent us the documentary in backup. Go ahead, baby. Go ahead, baby. Good morning, judge and members of the court. Last week we had some brief discussion about seed money and I think all the members of the court that were present were in favor of continuing seed money for playing year 2016. We talked about three different options. One was continuing this seed money the way it is right now, which is option B in your packet at $500 for employee only, and $1,000 for employee plus any dependence. We talked about giving each employee $750 seed money, regardless of whether they had dependence enrolled in the plan or not. And we talked about, from Mr. Coleman's recommendation that seed money, that we have this year be doubled for next year so that there would be $1000 for employee only and $2000 for employee and any dependence. $2,000 for employee and any dependents. We have looked at this sum during the week and we are recommending either option A or option B. Option C is very generous, but it would upset the value of the plan. These plans are carefully balanced so that they have similar balance between the PPO and the HDP plan. And if we were to go with option C, I believe we would have to rebalance and possibly change the premium structure. It also, we've had to do a quick and dirty analysis, honestly, it looks like doubling the seed money would increase the cost by about $200,000. The money that we have budgeted for next year is, or for 2016, is very close with what the current plan would cost. It'd be a little tighter with one of the premium options than the other premium option, but we didn't budget an extra $200,000 for seed money. And so we're recommending A or B to keep the plans in balance with each other. Go ahead. I would be in favor of Option V, but I've got a question. The over 65 people, do they not get seed money? I don't think the PPO, I don't believe our tire needs to get seed money. I don't think the PPO I don't believe our tire and you get seed money. I'm trying to think. During the PPO you don't get seed money. Only for people with that health thing. And that's what I know. But so why would the people over 65 not get seed money? 65 and over. You know there are some people they may not we can't they can't take the over 65 people over 65 can't contribute to an HSI they can't right they can't be in that plan okay so that mean they can't get seed money right so this is seed money goes into the HSA? So, you know, I guess I'm just like, that's not fair to people over 65 either. You know, people are saying a lot of things that's not fair. You can't get part of the high deductible plan. You can't get seed money. So, you know, we've got employees that are over 65. I'm not thinking about the ones that are present, but we pay a much higher. I'm not talking about you. Commissioner, the plan pays a much higher proportion of the claims cost to people in the PPO. They're protected by their premiums, so it's a balance. OK. I don't really think it's a balance but I'll you know I'll take your word for it. So my question is are you done, Bob? Yep, but now I am. Okay. We explained to me what you mean by upset the planning, have to rebalance it. Yes. It's not easy to explain. is something, you know, we've been going to a lot of meetings for a lot of years. There's a lot of different parts in these plants and they all have to be balanced and then they are valued by the actuaries and consultants to tell us what the value of the plan is. And there's been a lot of work to make sure that one of the plans is not a lot more valuable than the other. And if we add to the benefit of one of the plans without adding to the benefit of the other plan, then we're upsetting that balance between the two plans. other plan than we're upsetting that balance between the two plans. That's mean is it under I mean are we subject to a risk and not allowed to have a pathologist or a military business? We are not subject to a risk. I think we were. No we're not. So what's the problem of having an unbalanced plan? Because as we've talked previously you know we're trying to encourage people to move over to the health savings account plan. I know that we're not able to make these kind of contributions in the future because we would then be subject to the healthcare-american actor and all I call them. Unaffordable. Unaffordable. Yeah. Whatever. I don't think it's unfair to call it Obamacare, but the new federal legislation, I don't want to be subject to the excise tax or the premium tax. So an anticipation of us moving people and encouraging people to go to the high savings account. And I talked to you about what I saw was perceived in equities and I've tried to figure out various ways to remedy it. That's why I was supposed to just didn't know what the problem was. Did we get a penalty? Do we get? There's not a penalty. It would be unfair to the employees in the PPO, but there's not a penalty. We've tried very hard and I say we've tried. I'm not doing that work behind the scenes. The consultants, the actuaries, the PEC and the committees have worked very hard to offer employees throughout the PEC balanced plans. It would be easy to just shift costs to employees. I mean those things are things that we could do without all of their help. But to balance the plans and to be able to offer all of our employees, plans with value that the county can continue to sustain is a lot, requires a lot more expertise than I have. And so there's not a penalty, but we do have a strategy for approaching 2018. We're not waiting until 2018 to come with some kind of racikonian changes to the plan. We have been following a strategy for about five years now at least to get to that point. And this is consistent with the plan. We're trying not to throw that out and to continue to go consistent, I'm sorry, with the strategy toward 2018. It's not something that we want to wait till 2018 to make changes because then the changes might be very drastic changes. We've been working to identify the levers that could be pulled with the least damage to our plans and our employees. That's our goal. And it seems very simple, but there are, you know, when employees look at plans, sometimes they just look at premiums, but there are a lot of out of pocket costs that are not in the premium. And there are a lot of savings advantages in the other plan that's a very delicate balance. And I'm recommending that we pick with the same options, AMB that are used in the other plans and not disrupt the value of the plans between each other. And I wanted to address B before A, because if C was adopted, I felt the plans might need to be rebalanced and that might impact the premium scenarios that we have in the agenda today. Ms. Phillips, I'm not insinuating, please, if you think I was, don't mean it that you're doing anything behind the scenes or anything like that. I just like to know all the information so that us as the budgetary entity can make the decision and you know you say that it's going to upset the plan balance and I'd like to know you know why that's a problem. What if there's any legal justification to you know make sure we don't. What if there's any legal justification to, you know, make sure we don't do that. So from what I understand and tell me if this is incorrect, but you're saying it would result in an equity of those who are subscribing to the PPO, that their plan would be valued less than the HSA if we doubled the amount. But what's your opinion? The HSA value would increase and put the balance. And there's no prohibition on that correct? There is no legal prohibition. And that when you say we do you mean the co-op do you mean HR or do you mean the commission report? Because you say we have a strategy to address the upcoming plan. The P E B C and all the decision makers that have been working on this for five or six years. But ultimately we're responsible for commission report correct. You are and if we have different plan designs then we won't you know the P E V C has one plan designed throughout all the entities. And the commissioner's court has decided to be in the PVC and offer a single plan design because there are a lot of savings and our employees benefit from those savings. As well as benefiting from all the other things, the consultants, the actuaries that come with the PVC that we don't have here at the county. I'm sure Mr. Fultwell agree with me, but I know we can't delegate our discretion in budgetary matters. Of course not. Of course not. I like it when we get presented with a decision to be made and it says we can't make it because we've already delegated that authority and we're forced to either take these or that. I didn't say you can't make it commissioner and I really was Not thinking you were blaming me for anything. I was trying not to take credit for the work of others when I said That other people are doing the work behind the scenes. There is no legal prohibition. There is no fine The P E B C has a strategy that we've been following for about five years to approach 2018 and avoid an excise tax which I think is a high priority for this commissioners court and that's what I'm recommending that we follow that strategy. We have several employees that help committee with the committee to see the judge and myself trying to not have to pay the excess fee. I guess my concern is, I worked now with a lot of Robin Bridge workers who are some of our most paid employees. I worked for eight years with a lot of the detention officers and whether you like well the Lucas or not, you know, he did a tremendous job of getting their salaries to the point where they weren't on public assistance. We've done a good job of helping increase the salaries for our lower paid employees who are out there doing a lot of the, you know, the boots on the ground type stuff. They've chosen to take that job. It is the marketplace if they can find a better job. They can move on but that's where a lot of our work goes and you know I've struggled many times and I've sought the advice of our staff and I've tried to look into it to do some deep thinking, but it just seems like we run into some equities where we raise our premiums by a lump sum, but then we give a percentage raise. And as a result, you wind up where people actually make less money if they're the employee with family. And I think they choose that. And so when I was, because I understand, this Phillips does an excellent job. She's a good advocate for employees. I think she's put in a very difficult position. On one hand, trying to seek the best benefit for our employees to help us keep our employees. And also, let us be fiscally conservative. But the rubber meets the road with us is the budgetary. People we set the budget, we decide where to put our money. And I anticipate hard times when we are going to be subject to the excise tax. Like I mentioned to you all previously, and I, you know, like I talked to Amy that we need to encourage our employees to go to that health savings account. I think that's going to be the best bang for the buck when the excise tax comes in. And if we can make that unfair plan to encourage people to go there that would be fine with me. I don't think we need to rebalance it. But it's a, you know, like I talked to you all last week, it'd be a one-time lump pump payment knowing that when we hit the excise tax year, we're not going to be able to put any money in the seed money account. They're going to have to take it out of their salary. To me, it's something that you do in your own household. You, you know, put money in savings knowing that in the future you may not have the same type of income. It's not a short term plan. It's something we do now knowing that in the future there's going to be some difficult time. You know, I don't think any of the plans are going to be plans that we all like. You see me complaining about the over 65 playing right now But as I go out into the community and talk to everybody in the community yes insurance is a problem for everyone and I think then County I've been a fits that were given to our employees a good benefits if everybody treated equal No, but everybody's treated fairly. And I think that's the main thing. And you go to the public employees, they're not getting as much as we're getting insurance. I can assure you that I've got an instances where a wife has chosen not to use her company's insurance because hers and put her kids on a husband's insurance because hers is Moa. So we are one of the fish in the bow room that have insurance problems and by no means of our own if we've inherited this. So I know I'm not in favor of some of the options that Amy has offered, but I still think that Dinn County as a whole with that insurance, maybe the premium floor going up and I certainly don't like the premiums going up. I'm a few years from retirement and so those premiums are gonna hit me pretty hard, but I do think we do a decent job making sure of our employees and as commissioners call it we have the decision to make it we don't like what being offered we can change it. That's my point and I'm in you know reluctantly I'm in favor of us having a penalty if your family does it have insurance and another employer, but chooses not to use it. And then you have to pay an excise tax or that's for plus. That's something we've got to do. Part-time employees were not going to be able to offer part-time employees benefits unless you're already here. That's something that I thought was something we could use. Reluctantly, I'm in favor about that. I've talked to Ms. Philip about it I just think and I've you know trying to think outside the box What is a way that we can do something in the interim thinking long term? I don't think we're gonna be able to do a large seed money donation next year or the year after that But this is the year that You know we're gonna be able to lower the tax rate. The priceless have gone up. We have a good tax collection firm. They bring in the revenue has predicted. If we're going to do something, this is the year to do it. But we're gonna have to change our plan. I've looked at it. I've done my research. I looked at it in regards to DISD. I have my own personal experience with my wife and kids on the Sanger, ISE insurance. I just think it's one of the things that you know when you choose to work for the county you get supposedly good benefits and good retirement and take less pay. That's why I've never minded certain people not making as much money because of the benefits. I think if we start having benefits that are either comparable or less than private sector and Amy would have a lot better field than I would for that. I've had to price when I was in private practice I had my own insurance and it was very costly but we just got to find a way to lure good employees. I know Mr. Eves can probably comment on this but getting good employees to come work our entry level road and bridge jobs is very difficult and I'm not sure offering people more money is the way to get them to come. I had a long discussion about that with Miss Phillips about other ways to attract workers. And I think we're pretty, we're probably off market but not that much for our road and bridge and place. So it's something I think we as a collective group need to address. And I'm not, I don't want it to seem like I'm criticizing the Phillips because she works very hard and she does a good job. But I also don't want to abrogate my responsibility as the person to decide our budget. Oh, man. Sure. I'm going to have something to do. You talk about the strategy that PEPBC has to get to 2018, about entering into some penalties or RSI's tax, all that. One would one counting with a one time blip of offering more in the HSA account affect that strategy in a way that it throws the entire PEDC strategy out of filter. When say it would throw the whole PEDC strategy kilter, but I would say that it would throw our H D H P plan out of kilter with the P P O. It was from it was throw our plan. I'm sorry out of balance with the other entities plans. The other entities that are participating in P E B C. That's a health. I always can't remember the act The other entities that are participating in PEC. The EDC. It's a health. I always can't remember the actrooms. It's a health care savings account. What do you call the ADA? The high deductible health plan. It would decrease the employee investment in the plan. Remember, we're trying to change employee behavior. Yes. We are trying to get employees to choose doctors that provide premium care at reasonable prices and to participate in wellness. The only way we really can get cost down in this plan anymore, because I think we've done everything else we can do is to change employee behavior and giving doubling seed money does nothing toward changing the hate. You know, we just got to notice, I believe all of us that have this health care from the United Healthcare that if we move our prescriptions away from certain, certain pharmacies that we are out of pockets will go down. You're familiar with that memo we got from the United Health Care. Remember that particular memo but there certainly is a network of pharmacies and there's a premium that employees pay when they go outside that network? Right, right. So they were suggesting, yeah, it was a letter suggesting trying to modify the behavior of the... I bring that up to basically drive home the point of modifying behavior because the insurance company, the United Health Care are trying to do that by asking us to go to a preferred pharmacy because we would have more benefit and cost savings from going to that. Yeah, we've done a lot of work to encourage employees to use generics, to encourage employees to use generics, to encourage employees to go to the appropriate level of care, avoid the emergency room if you don't absolutely have to go to the emergency room in those kinds of things. It's a very coordinated effort with a lot of different facets to it. And education is part of it, and part of it is balancing the plans, setting premiums, and having employees have an investment in the plan, changes behavior. So is one of the scenarios I'm trying to think how it, to me, you know, he's a carrot and stick method, right? And I've had discussions. We want to lure people over to the health, to the high-ded vegetable health savings account plan. And if we double the money, then I'm thinking we would then lure them over. But it's one of your statements or an argument you would say why that's bad policy is we would lure them over, they spend the money and then the next year, they swap back over to the PPO. You know, right now we have a choice in our plans and we have better participation in our HDHP plan with the HSA than any other entity in the PEDC. So my motivation is not so much to lure people into that plan. They have choices and one plan is better for some families and the other plan is better for the other families. the other plan is better for the other families. In 2018, I don't know that we'll have a choice of PPO or HDHP. We just don't know what we'll have in 2018. We're trying to preserve the value of the plans that we have and we're trying to offer balance plans to be faired employees I don't know how to explain it. Mr. Ead said Amy how long have we been in P.E.V.C.? Up the top of my head I'd say close to 10 years eight or nine years maybe And oh, it's not for today's discussion, but in the months to come, I'd like to either have an individual briefing about PEVC in the major, like to be as a court and the benefits gained there. And then what other options or exit strategies are just evaluating our options. And see if this is still the best group for us to be identified with. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I think it's healthy to do that routinely. Yeah, and it's been a while since we've looked at that. The 2016 plan. Right. Go for sure to the health care America Act, whatever they call it in 2018. And we've had a long term plan, but we still don't know what we're going to have to do in 2018. And so on things like decisions that are made and our costs. If you remember, we talked a couple of months ago about that we have been we follow the strategy and we make changes consistent with the strategy. The prescription companies change what they're doing. We have to change what we're doing a little bit. There are costs that are out of control, out of anybody's control, and when you figure out how to manage them in your plan, then they come up with a new way. So there are always going to be unexpected things. However, we are much closer than where we would be without the PEBC. I could say that unequivocably. We know where the levers are. We know what things could be pulled if we had to. We're avoiding pulling those things if we don't have to. But nobody knows what's going to happen in the future. We don't know if there's going to be an excise tax in 2018. They might, you know, it might be that all the employers do such a good job of getting costs down in their plan that there's really not the tax revenue for the federal government to have from the outsized tax. They're going to get that revenue. And then they might say, okay, no more HSAs, no more, you know, we're prepared and we are on top of things and watching what happens. The consultants and the act shores have been studying these things. We also have to balance all that with our gas be valuations, keeping benefits for employees and retirees. Some entities, not in the PEPC, but other public entities that we might share borders with, or their border might overlap our borders. Some of the cities within our borders have stopped contributing to retiree plans altogether. And we have tried to avoid that. So we've made a lot of progress and preserved the benefits as best we can while still getting, working to get our costs closer and closer to that threshold and not higher and higher than that threshold. I think all of the recommendations that we have brought to you in recent years almost, all of them, I can't think of any, that did not have that focus in mind. Any other member court was the kind of. That's an additional question. I know because we're self-funded at the end of the year, we've always had to make a contribution to the plan. We anticipate doing that this year. You haven't. I'm not sure what you mean by a contribution. Oh, we've under we've always were underfunded in years past. I'm not sure what you mean by a contribution to. We've under we've always were underfunded in years past. I think we've been. Many years ago in recent years we have built a surplus so that because it used to be the plan was not adequately funded and we had to borrow every single year. In recent years, we have not had to borrow, we have built a healthy surplus for the plan so that if we have several catastrophic things in a year, we can fund them out of the surplus without borrowing from the general fund. We do transfer money sometimes at the end of the year. We don't have to do that this year, but those monies were originally budgeted for help insurance. They were from a tuition. I'm sorry if I misdeed it, but I was always coming out out of the past. But you're absolutely right at one time. We borrowed sometimes millions of dollars every year to fund it. We've gotten in a lot better financial shake since we've been with the PEPC and our increases are no longer 25 or 30% a year. They're in the single digits or close to the single digit increases. And we have built a healthy reserve, shouldn't say surplus's not a surplus, it's a reserve fund. And it's important to have that kind of fund. So, I can't say what our health claims are going to be next year. We never know what our employees' health is going to be. All we can do is try to encourage our employees toward healthy lifestyles and try to change behaviors so that we can try to better control the costs in the plane. We could do that with you by lottery tickets. I think our society is feeling a lot of pressure to do that today. And I think if we look around, and I can't say this for every office, I don't know, but I think that I hear a lot of employees talking about making better food choices and exercising more than I did say 10 years ago. And I think that kind of change takes a long time. Well, I can understand your concerns about balancing the plan and that's admirable. I guess, you know, similarly though, I'd want to make sure we would, you know, balance the raises in the fact that I don't know what the other feelings of members with a court are, but when we give employees a raise, wouldn't you agree, Ron, that we're trying to think that they would take additional fun homes to help them deal with the cost of gas? Yeah, but I think it's very, very dangerous. I agree. I'm going to be very, very careful. Mary, I'm going to do it. Try to equal what they take home, associate it with the benefits that they're receiving receiving because I agree those are always true I agree they're always going to be because I suspect these are pretty strong I think Judge Barnes pointed it out really pointedly last week when she talked about some people being hired in at the max and some people not and how that Difference by elected officials and then you get a new person in and then they think that people were treated unfairly and then you need an Equity adjustment now is supposed to then and then you know, you know, I'll get thrown at us every year Got some decision was made six years ago That by somebody else by somebody else. And I completely agree with you. Yeah, I would hate to go to certain pay grades and designate that pay grade and decide whether they're taking more home or less home because of our increase of their salary, but we also have to increase and try to adjust that. That's why at one point I'd recommended a, that's why I'd always, I know, that's why I'd one point I'd recommended a lump sum raise because I thought that would be more equitable. And that's why I know that the pride in having support for that and I think that we're doing the right thing this year is for our employees. That's why I know that the pride and support for that. And I think that we're doing the right thing this year is for employees. That's why I thought if we did a lump sum to the HCA because people complain about their premiums, that would be a better way to offset some of the inequities. That was my idea. I know I've taken up a lot of time on this, but I thought we needed to flush it out and get the information and be well-informed consumers to make a good decision then we still have somebody complaining and I you know I'm of opinion this year a 5% raise if we vote on that. It's pretty darn good. And I think employees ought to be satisfied with that. Everybody voted on it. One thing that I probably, yeah, we did vote on that. Yeah. One thing that I probably should have said earlier and didn't remember to say until now is that for employees whose spouses will be enrolled in the plan in 2016, if the spouses participate in the wellness plan, the spouses and the employee in the spouse both qualify for the reward, then that family will get $600 from the wellness program instead of $300 and that $600 could be an increased deposit into their HSA or to their flex plan or to their pocket, it's up to being important. Okay, are you done, please? Yeah, I'm just, thank you. Commissioner Ease. I'll move we about option B. The motion for option B, this is on B to B. How second? The second for the motion for their discussion. Very none all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed to name? Motion carries. Now let's go to 8a. I took those out of order because 8a had the chance for the budget impact. Okay, and 8a is approval of employees, medical, option one or Option 2, dental premiums for full-time active employees and vendor rates for Plain Year 2016. Give us good backup. Any of you have anything you want to add? There isn't really a lot to add. There is sufficient money in the budget for either scenario option one or option two. It would be very tight in the budget. There would not be much wiggle room in the health insurance budget at all if the commission's court approves option 2. This is a recommendation from the insurance committee and I would say that, well, it's a recommendation for the insurance committee to go with option one. Well, I've got comments. As I said before, I'm not happy with a lot of the recommendation. And my vote will be for option two. I might hurt what you said, Amy. But I think option two is the lesser of two evils. And I'm not happy with option two, as it, like I said, is related to over 65 people, but you know, we can't please everybody. That's it. That's it, ladies. Option one, am I identifying this correctly? Has it lower changes in the monthly premium? Correct. I'm sorry. I didn't hear you, Commissioner. Option one. I'm looking at this. As a lower changes in the monthly premium. Option one has larger increases. Lower. Lower. In. In. One to 30. You can. $ dollar to 38 on page It's 13 to 448 Yeah, in option one you can see the change in premium column that's a monthly change in premium and on page For that's 50. Sorry. Yes on page 4, that's 10 to 1, sorry. Yes, on page 4, 51. You'll see a change in premium for option 2. So sometimes the difference is not large. And other times it is. What's the? What's the two? I'm a little bit worried. Changes in premium for employee plus family, for example, in the PPO is quite large in option one, where for employee only it's actually smaller. So I can't say one is larger than another, but certainly for the family and the PPO, there are quite large increases in option one. If you really for ages, more people will go into the health savings account. It certainly gives employees a higher investment. Employees with families. Other questions? Thank you. Just a second. You're thinking? Yes. Just a second. Man. The families are turning. Be supportive of option two. Be supportive of option one. I may characterize the two options one and two for the members and preventive. Option one is the scenario showing a 30 to 70 or 30% cost share for the PPO would carry 30% of the cost of that plan where the county would carry 70% in the HDHP employees would carry 15% in their premium and the county would carry 85% in option two. I don't have it in that format in front of me. Option two is a scenario where you see a higher increase for PPO premiums and a smaller increase for HDHP premiums. and a smaller increase for HDHP premiums. I can't really say one is a bigger increase or a smaller increase, it depends on the plan you choose and the tier that you coverage that you have for your family. What has our historic philosophy been about the split? Was it 80 20? In years past it's been 80 20 it has been 80 20 overall We've you know our philosophy was 80 20 but we moved away from that a little bit Because we absorbed a county absorbed more the increase than it passed on to employees. And so we have county actually probably has taken more than 80% overall of the cost. And that's hard to compare to these because that's overall cost of everything in these sort of premiums. I wish I could give you a simple answer. It wasn't simple for the committee to look at and it wasn't unanimous. And so I can't say that the committee unanimously feels real strongly one way or the other, but the committee did recommend majority of the committee recommended option one over option two. I'm going to do it. I have anything more than a hand. I understand it totally. I understand it totally. Half second left. Sorry, good. We have a motion in the second for option two. Are there discussion or questions? I like either one of them. I'm not going to be supporting the motion. I prefer option one. I'll in favor the motion. I prefer option one. I'll in favor of the motion please say aye. Post a name. Name. Motion fails. I'm going to make a motion for option one. Second to the motion by commission and march in. On favor of the motion, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, the new motion carries from the table on the pose. Any thank you for your efforts and all those involved. But that is just not easy. I appreciate your efforts. I would, it's heartening to see healthy debate and a lot of concern for our employees. And I've seen that year after year in commissioners court, and I appreciate that. We, part of that same placement, and we will do a separate order for it. But we have the vendor rates included. The vendor rates are largely staying the same. Stop loss is increasing 3%. It originally was going to be 7% but the PEC negotiated a lower rate for us and that's why we brought rates back a little bit different this week than we had last week. The basic life insurance rates have slightly decreased due to positive experience. That's a good thing. That means our employees are surviving better. So we have a slight increase in stop loss and a slight decrease in our basic life insurance, but most of the rates are staying exactly the same as the current year and the S for approval on those vendor rates as well. the current year and we asked for approval on those vendor rates as well. My motion was for approval of option one but do we need to take a vote on the dental premiums? I'm sorry I skipped right over dental there is no increase in dental the rates that we are proposing are exactly the same. I move for improvements. We have that. Okay. Okay. Well, I just want to make sure that we vote on the whole thing. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. Okay. Do you think? Sure. I'll have to say. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposing me. Opposing me. Aye. Opposing me. Aye. Okay. Thank you, Judge, for getting me back on track. Okay. The vendor rates were they included in the most? Yes. Okay. And that's all of A-A. Okay. And that's all of a a okay. Now to a C approval of retiree medical insurance premium for plan year 2016. And what we have here are retiring rates for retirees under 65 and over 65 and you can see the increases. I'm sorry, you can see them by tiers. You voted a couple of years ago to vary the premiums with the experience that the retiree previously had with Denton County prior to retirement. And that's exactly what you see reflected there. And we're asking for approval of those rates today. We're on page 470. Yes, ma'am's question. We have a retiree in none medicine, here's Kyle. But you don't have a retiree in the medical sense. Okay. We do. Let me see. I see retiree, non-medicare. Are you looking at... I see. You see it? Okay. Questions from members of court. They have a motion. Motion by commission Marchant. Chair will second the motion. Questions or comments? All in favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed, Cindy? Motionless carry. 8D is approved to discontinue offering of interest benefits to employees working less than 30 hours per week for plan year 2016. Motionbeck is in the margins. Seconded by Commissioner Coleman. I'll tell you, I had a clear that the ones that are really receiving it are grandfather. Got a good discussion with with a any about this and you know these are the little things we need to do to keep hopefully our full-time employees and their premiums and everything down. We continue to offer interest. Yep. Right. Couple of things that precipitated that if you remember, you know, one thing, all the part-time employees who work at least 30 hours are already covered as full-time employees under insurance. There are options available today in the marketplace that we're not available for part-time employees until just a few years ago. And because of those things and because of the cost of part-time premiums, we only currently have five or six employees out of our 1700 employees who are currently enrolled and they will be grandfathered and we did send them an email the other day and tell them that this was on the agenda And that if it was approved it would not impact their benefits. We didn't want them to see it on The computer and think they were their benefits for in danger when they're not so and I think it helps to that people who work 30 hour like 30 or 32 hours are still counted as well that people who work 30 or 32 hours are still countered as well as possible. Mm-hmm. OK, I believe we have a motion in the second on the floor. Here, no further discussion. I'll in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Close to the name. Motion is carried. Julie, are you here for 14b? That's the, no, 14, 14. We do. Which one are you here for? The budget stuff. I bet you. Okay. I just want to make sure I wasn't holding you up for some reason. Okay. 9a is the discussion and update of our viral and mosquito-borne disease control in the county. Do we have an update? Yes ma'am. Good morning Judge and Commissioners. So quickly we have the good news. No human cases in Dintin County today. The bad news. Wes now virus mosquitoes are still popping up in the county. Now We have a total of 16 pools positive pools those positive pools are four in flower mound Five in Highland Village three in Lewisville two in Little Elm one in trophy club and one in the city of Denton And that is an addition of three positive pools in comparison to last Tuesday, so the take-home message More skaters more of them positive, where deets don't get bitten. Thank you. I got a recorded call on Sunday night from the City of Louisville. Let us know that we had one in our area, and they were going to be freeing. I'm not confused tonight. And it's City. Yes, ma'am. And as a reminder, we would follow the same plan that if we have a positive pool and unincorporated in County, that we would then commission our contracted vendor to do ground spraying within one mile of a navigable street or right of way in one mile within that positive pool. And that's our, that follows our plan from last year. And we anticipate having to do that this year. But we haven't had to do it yet. That's good news for the budget. But there's a harbinger of skaters on the horizon. So thank you. Okay. Thank you. I mean, no action on that 10 a is approval of the preliminary flat for Arrowbrook phase one. This is a commissioner prison one. I have a couple of questions about that. I do too. Go ahead Now I always say that After your first term in office you can't blame anything on your predecessor but you know because it's always on you and I know we've approved a lot of these preliminary flats that are with 50 foot roads and stuff like that and I've had long discussions with the attorney for the special district. He claims there's a county protocol for having these approved. That looked, it's never been, you know, it's never been pushed through the commission's court. But that being said, we've approved a lot of these deals. But I think what distinguishes this one is that there's only one method of in the egress and one way to get in, one way to get out. A lot of the other ones, you know, they're like the ones on fish trap They're multiple entrances and this good son the 1385 which is a Farmer market two lane and no shelter 380 which is already congestion Well if they were in a municipality they'd be required to have a Well, if they were in a municipality, they'd be required to have the egress. That's correct. Just more than one. Just more than one. Yeah. So what's, you know, I have the same concerns. I'd actually like to table this for a week and get some of those issues. These all that the builder actually has gone forward and built a lot of this without the approved patch, which is fine. That's, that's a big issue also.. I mean this is kind of I don't know what to do because in the past You know the committee from what I understand used to be a certain amount of people and they voted against the Original plans from some of those districts the commissioners court then expanded the committee and they went the other way But that's kind of water into the bridge But we have all these communities out there. I don't know if we can all the sudden say since we allow it all the other way, but that's kind of water into the bridge. But we have all these communities out there. I don't know if we can all of a sudden say since we allow it all the other ones. I don't know if we can now say we're not going to allow you to have these variances. But I think what separates this from those is that they had multiple entrances. This one doesn't. Yeah, I think the public safety issue is definitely there having the one entrance. A lot of houses and that's definitely concerned. I understand it's like 314 homes and it's going to be one way in and one way out with more development to follow too. I think ultimately like 1500. It's all going to be in the unincorporated area. It's about 380. This is not a point. This is out there towards West. This is easy. This is easy. In between the new Union Park and the Prophet. Oh, I, it's what confused me was the little lamb below it. Little lamb taking over. It's good because a lot of that is right. It's right. That's right. But y'all want a week and see if you can work something out with them. Be kind. Yes sir. For the reconcerned field identify yourself. Yes. My name is Tracy Lapine, the civil engineer with a writinger associate at 550 South Edmonds Lane in Louisville. And I just wanted to give a little bit of history on this one. The some of this had come over. I know that there were some, with the Denton County Freshwater Supply District 10, there had been some changes with the, the engineer, for the district, formerly Petaparaz and the new engineer firm, Graham Associates kind of took over as their acting engineer. And I think there may have been some miscommunication during that change of actually the review authority for the areas within the district. This area actually for this development is all within the limits of the Denton County Freshwater Supply District 10. And we had back at the time, met with Bennett Howell, your county engineer at the time, and showed him the overall development for our full project, what we had planned to do. In essence, a preliminary plat of the entire development for review of the concept. The district was under the impression at the time that the district had the approval authority and come to find out later on here that it's actually to you here. And but at that time back over a year ago, meeting with the Bennett Howell, they had approved our final plan for this area. Approved the final plan with the development support committee approved the release of construction plans and approved us to go forward with the construction. Since that here in the spring, they had realized, okay, hey, there might have been a change. Proper procedures may not have been followed and you had to come forward with the preliminary plan in essence to because Big majority of all the utilities and infrastructure is all being owned by the district are already on the ground and under construction We came forward with a preliminary plan for just the portion that we had final plated and efforts to hopefully to expedite the approval process. We and the only hesitation was coming forward with preliminary plan for the entire development was because land plan until you negotiate with some of the builders, some of the street layouts and stuff may be subject to change, but we're more than happy to come forward with that. With the next phase, which is in negotiations right now to come forward with the developer, with the different builders who are working on those contracts right now. But we had gone forward with working with Bennett Howell during his time here. And we had documentation from him and the emails and the approval on the previous final plan from the developments for committee he approved that since that time the reason that we came forward again with a new final plan we submitted in January a new final plan because we were changing a couple we were changing nine lot lines on the plan and at that time that's when we had found out that the preliminary plan procedure hadn't been followed and so we followed that. Over the last six months that over the last six months working with staff going through their development support committee and looking through that just recently here in the past couple weeks we had found out had gotten the correspondence from Petta Paraza and from the Denton County Department of Public Works back from Kathy Alcorn, the planning manager at that time back in 2002 that with the variances for the property that was annexed into the Den County Freshwater Supply District and it did grant all those variances that we were using here as our design standards for this development. You're not claiming you have plating authority, are you? No, no sir. Districts are the entities that limited authority. Absolutely. We have found that out and we did sometimes roads. Yes sir. We did come to that realization here recently and that's what we had done a year ago and we had come forward and realized that was still using Clay Crawford of your attorney. Yes, sir. And because he's claimed there's some sort of protocol that allows him to do whatever he wants. Have never seen it. No, sir. Yeah, I'm not familiar with his relationship with Court here, but I just had long discussions about that with them. That's why they always bring the variances before it. Yes, sir. And then but actually with the county staff in the public works department I do appreciate their efforts and find in the documentation granted back in 2002 that in support of all the variances for all the property that was annexed into the district. I understand. I mean it's been going on for some way. Right. And before you got here. So I don't want to you know burden you with all the difficult. No, absolutely. And I'm not sure if some of this information, Bennett may have been aware of this and may have real thought that back at the time that we didn't have to go seek these variances because we already had this in hand. And that's why he went forward with a final plot with full civil construction drawings, everything being detailed out at that time. And with this phase, yes, there's only one means that ingress, ingress, egress off at 1385, but future phases we're with the next phase we're going to be connecting in. Depending on which direction we're going I believe the next phase. What do we do in the interim now? What's that? Right now it's going to be one way and one way. It is going to be a boulevard section, so we do have, you know, it's... You think a fairly large ingress, egress, and we're constructing, you know, turn lanes into it, so it's going to be... I know we can't complain about 50 foot streets because that's been going on forever, but due to the nature of those tight streets, I think it's really important that we have two ways in and two ways out. That is to get a fire truck in the Arty Lake Park. We've been grannying those variants since the late 90s. I mean I saw that when I was working for the sheriff with the DA's office and the sheriff's department. I remember Kelly Zwingy had a cow over it way back in the day. He was very upset. Always upset. Okay. All right, so do we want to hold this? I would like to hold it. You all can thank you for that. So prove it if you want to. There'll be no action on 10 a today and we'll get that resolved. 10b is a approval of requesting a public hearing members commissioner Coleman asked Michael Tubio to put this on the agenda advising him that it was in his precinct and he wanted it on the agenda. I found my check precinct was in the county so it'd be my constituency also commissioner. Uh, I have some problems with this and asked Michael to send a letter to the mayor of Sanger and to the fire chief in Sanger and that letter just went out yesterday. So I would like to hold off on setting the public hearing until senior has an opportunity to respond hopefully they will respond. I know that I believe Jody drove out there. I'm not in a fire truck, but just in a truck. And had difficulty navigating this road. My question to you, Jody, is should there be a fire at this property that is requesting the variance, which is way in there, would it mean a significant delay in fighting the fire the way the road condition is today? Yes, and visiting directly with the chief David Pinnickton, he's the Sanger Fire Chief and his responsibility for coverage is that area. You know, he would absolutely say that we're going to provide fire protection to everyone that we can, but there is would be a significant delay based off the road conditions as they are presently. That's that's my primary concern. If we can solve this road issue, I'm all about the requested variance, but the way it is today, I just view it as a real potential danger to life and property. So I would like to give saying as opportunity to respond to the letter and so I'm requesting the members of court that we delay taking action on 10v today. I'll tell you, I took your comments and we pulled it off the agenda. Typically, you know, that's the area that I was elected to represent. We're all assigned our duties. You know, you have very little executive authority and chair of this legislative body. Have an ex-officio County Commissioner. It's a different, you know, set of tasks. I took your comments into consideration. I talked to Mr. Felt about the legalities of the plating. It's in the Sanger ETJ and we have a plating agreement with them. And it's their responsibility to do the plating. I spoke to the city manager for the city of Sanger. And he said he didn't have a problem with this. And he thought I was perfectly fine. I drove out there in my truck and it could be better but I don't know if it's impossible. I talked to Jodi about it and he told me that we're going to provide fire to everybody. So I did give your comments great weight and investigated it and upon my investigation I then requested it to be on the agenda. I think we need to move forward. I don't know how we can deny him that particularly it was recommended by the Lake Ray Roberts planning and zoning. And if the people in the community would have had a problem with it, we would have they would have commented to them and it wouldn't have been recommended. But I don't know what to do. So I think we need to go forward forward. I'll move to approve setting the public hearing. Before you say that, Hugh, is there any, I mean, is there any problem with delay in it? You know, we always try to, even though we didn't wait for commission to eat last week, we always try to accommodate a member if they would like to get some more information. I don't know what to tell you because it's been difficult for me to give everybody difference regarding their precinct. I've had long talks with you about sometimes. I don't receive the similar for you guys. You all do what you want. I move to push it forward. We have a motion that Commissioner Coleman is there seconds in the motion. Second to the motion. I second it for more discussion. Second for discussion by Commissioner Mitchell go ahead. I would like for you to be, to be agreeable to hold this next week. I don't think we can. Commissioner Coleman won't be this next week. I don't think we're going to be here next week. I'll be here next week. I don't think I think that if all this is approving is the public hearing. If people want to come and complain, if Jim wants to come and talk about Carl Sado, he's more than welcome to come to the public hearing and discuss the guy who's Mr. Sado, and that the fellow that plotted this, if you all want to come and complain, that's the opportunity because it's just setting the public hearing. We're not delaying, we're not approving it. We're just setting the public hearing for people to come discuss, approve or take appropriate action. So that's the time for people to have discussion. There's a cost associated with setting the public hearing. So I thought it would be appropriate to hear back from Sam. from the same. I was thinking maybe we could get the answer back by the 20 years. All it is is setting the public hearing. If people want to bring input, I won't, it'll, they have all the way until the end of August to come to the public hearing. So I don't understand that if we sent the letter, what day? Just went out yesterday. Okay. Are you saying that the City of Sangers Fire Department will not have enough time to respond before August 25th which is the time for them to come and comment on this? We're not approving it today. We're approving settings of public hearing so that the public can come give comments. Okay well that is three weeks. Maybe I'll be right with me. Are you okay with that? Okay, that's three weeks Pardon me So to me, I think that's fair It's not like we're proving it we're just setting the hearing But if we Won't even allow a public hearing that's fine too, but I just don't know why we would do that unless there's something else we're not talking about. We have a motion to thank the public hearing on the 25th, which would be three weeks for the city of signer to respond, but I'm not going to hold my breath if they're going to respond. I've already spoken to them. Let me rephrase that. I'm not going to hold my breath if they're going to do anything about it. OK. I agree. That way. OK. We have a motion. The second one, I own favor of setting the public hearing for August 25th at 9 a.m. I'm the requested variance for the set of the addition. Lot one hour block a person. One. I'll favor the number one. I'm excited to see the number one. I'm excited to see the number one. I'm excited to see the number one. I'm excited to see the number one. I'm excited to see the number one. I'm excited to see the number one. I'm excited to see the number one. I'm excited to see the number one. I'm excited to see the number one. I'm excited to see the number one. I'm excited to the credit of $28,329 towards the contract price for the debt and kind of pushing free government center project auditor line item 8, 5,75209020. Morning Judge, good morning commissioners. This is simply just removing the tax queuing system from the project that's being been out separately. So that's what this is. I'll take it. I'll move approval. Motion by Commissioner Mitchell. Seconded by Commissioner Marchant. Questions? Your none. On favor please say aye. Aye. Opposed, Signe. Motion does carry. 10D is approval for a private developer. Kevin, however you pronounce that. Come. I'm coming by. Lot five, Waterstone 423 23 retail addition to the structure storm green each ditch and them kind of property located in Christchurch Basically all this is is an agreement for them to be able to come on to our property to dig the stitch and then It'll be covered up when we do our project Yeah, it's part of the agreement a development agreement we have on this particular government center was that we were exchanging certain things that we would provide. The other developer would provide certain things. It's a swap. Unfortunately, for us, they got their permit and they got their permit before we got our permit. They need to have this access to our property for drainage. It's not going to affect us at all. It accommodates them. And then like he said in the end we'll put a box culvert in there. I mean the big concrete ones in there and cover it up. Firstly, it's not really necessary. The water drains to that place anyway, but the city would like to see a ditch to. I move for approval. Hi. I'm going to go to the other side of the building. I'm going to go to the other side of the building. I'm going to go to the other side of the building. I'm going to go to the other side of the building. with funding for year two in the amount of $584,700 to come from interest revenue in the 2010 PI bond fund transferred to new auditor line at an 8574229070 transportation consultant. Scott, thank you for all y'all hard work on this. I know it was a tough deal to go through all the analysis. I saw that y'all included a bunch of emails between Ms. Fleming. I'm sorry that she's on vacation today, so you gotta kind of have to explain these as best you can. Can you explain what might call me June 19th, 2015 email? What the analysis y'all were providing to us and kind of walk us through that? I think it's on pages 537 through 539 of your backup. Okay, when we receive the proposal from ITS, Beth did a review of the proposal, which which stated that there wouldn't be no increase in their fees. And commissioners court didn't require any change in the scope of work. Okay, their proposal showed that their five-year average was close to 269 hours. And that took into account when pulled 23 invoices from a 24 month period. She looked at that average was actually closer to 240 hours a month. And when we looked at the percentages on those invoices, it was 35, 65 split between professional and technical which was a little different representation than the analysis that we would see from my T.S. When you look at the analysis below the averages are about 40,864 on the low end and about 43,000, 811 on the high end before that monthly cost. Is there anything specific to how the analysis was formed or? No, I was just, I mean, so can you give a summation? I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but right now, based on the invoices, y'all pooled, it was 35% professional and 65% technical. Right? Yes. Which wasn't the analysis which was presented when the rates were calculated in 2010, right? Correct. Okay. So that means based on that and the rates charged, the amount should be less based or you would you would recommend a lesser amount for the services? Because of the less amount of professional services provided. Right. The information that we were provided and the analysis that we did on their monthly invoices Yes, it looks like that those things could possibly be lower to provide a more equitable contract And I do believe Mr. Polter's response is in here also. Is that the committee that looked at this contract? Did they have that information in front of them when they made the recommendation to renew? Did you know that's Scott? I believe they did. I think it's fair to say that they recommended the contract but not at the price. That's correct. I think that's the first. Recommended but they thought the price did they put on it. I really had to look at the qualifications only and the cost was not a consideration. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, so I think typically the commercial I see what you're saying. What's your quest for qualifications? Their rank? I remember their ranks. Right. The poster was ranked number one. Right. And then it's up to the purchasing agent. And then negotiate the amount of compensation for it. Okay. And then they pulled some invoices. Tell me that. to then negotiate the amount of compensation for it. And then they pulled some invoices. And then based on those invoices, they compared to what was proposed in 2010. And the percentages were off. So if you take the math of how many percent times the professionals are this is and then the administrative times that, I think it's a little out of whack. And if you all remember, there was a substantial increase in the contract back in 2010. So that's my question and I guess that kind of goes to me you know I think you know eventually we're going to have to bring these services in house. I think Commissioner Mitchell has you know mentioned that as well. You know you mentioned that over and over and over again. And in my response, I'm going to disagree without being disagreeable. Yeah. And my response to you is, bring us a better plan. I understand. And so, until a better plan is brought, where it saves us money, saves us time, gives us the same thing that we expect from ITS. We have nothing to look at other than what we had in front of us with ITS. I think that's an excellent point. It's important to look at the success of the projects and as the counties representing to the RTC, I can tell you that didn't county is head and shoulders above our other entities in the region as far as moving projects forward in a timely manner and having a seat at the table and expediting the projects, I think that's the end result and the success and the leveraging that we've been able to succeed in is what is important to note. I really appreciate your all's comments. I appreciate your comments were on it because I talked to Bobbi about it and in the past, you know, I'm glad we've bitted out in 2010. I think that helped refine the process. We could have probably done it a little differently. I think the committee did a good job. We actually had more than one person bid on it this time. I like the analysis that the purchasing department did. I didn't know there, you know, even though I talked to Bob, I didn't know there you know even though I talked to lobby I didn't know there would be support on the court to consider bringing it in house. If so I would have probably brought a proposal forward during the budget. Probably I should have. I don't know that by my comments don't take that as support of bringing it in house. I'm just saying that if there's a solution out there that you have in mind, we have never gotten drifted at that solution. I guess I wasn't clear when I suggested that we bring some planners and engineers to work on this. But I thought we'd talked about that at Nazia in the past. Anyway, I just wanted to say, I know we should probably just take a vote because we got a lot of stuff we're work on today But I just wanted to say you know I appreciate purchasing and the committee working hard on this I appreciate their analysis I think based on their analysis That it shows that there should possibly should have been negotiated a lower amount I'm sure money all is prepared to make a motion and we can move forward. One more comment I had been fortunate enough to have my good friend Jeff Mosley. Stay at my house last night visit on some business and we drove all over this county from the time he was a county judge. And all the construction, all the roadway, I took him on everything. And he was just overwhelmed. I mean, now he is a highway commissioner and sees this stuff every day. And still is overwhelmed by the cloud. And what we do with what we have within Denton County's Forest Transportation. And he lives in Houston and drives that junk every day. I'm glad you were lobbying him the whole time. I was lobbying By I make motion For approval. Yes. Thank you. We have a motion by Commissioner Marchant Seconded by Commissioner Eads for the questions or comments You're not only favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, Ceney? Motion carries. Foreign favor, one opposed. 14-B, we're going to pull. Take no action on today. 14-C is approval. Construction agreement contract between trace technologies in Dan McKinney for fiber optic construction services been number 01152285 fiber optic construction curable in the amount of $280,000. It's funny for this project to come from 2012 permanent improvement bonds line item 6675489010. We have a question. I'm going to ask you a question about this. I'm going to ask you a question about this. This is just getting a fiber optic line down. Is it the DC-TA corridors that were coming from? It's coming from DC-TA to the government center in Carrollton. Okay. And then up Frankfurt and that way, you know, what is fiber optic? What's its capacity? Is it 500 megabyte? Do you know what I'm talking about? Is it a T1, T1? We could probably go to the weedage. We could have, like, 10 gigabits over it? King gigabits. Right. So significantly faster. And currently, Carlton has a 45 megabit. So I don't know what percentage increase that is, but it's thousands of times increase. Yeah. You can probably screen movies with great that's great. That's what I want to find out if it's a significant capacity for data that we're bringing in. That's great. That's right. It'll be very significant. And it's actually it'll be a stepping stone to get over to Frisco eventually also. Got it. But we'll come off of Carrollton for that. So you'll have great capacity. Thank you. Is there. Great. Here you know for the questions, do you have a motion? I'll start. Motion by Commissioner Marchant. seconded by commissioner Coleman. All in favor. Please say aye Aye Posting a motion is carried 14 days approval of one Contracting the amount of 50507.28 for purchase of right away in conveyance of general warranty deed from Harvey D Davidson as trustee of the Harvey D Davidson trust family trust to them Dent County Texas for the Country Club Road Improvement Project to grant authorization to proceed with closing and approval for the Dent County Judge to sign on necessary closing documents and three direct the Dent County auditor to show a warrant in the amount of the purchase price of $50,500 and $7. cents plus any applicable fees. But finding the Compton Commissioner pressing for 2010 PI bonds, this is auditor line item 857409070. We have a motion by Commissioner Ease, seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, sending. Motion does carry. Okay. Can we take a break before we go into the budget? All right. We are in. Okay. Before we get into budget, let's first go to seven B, which is approval of a budget amendment request, 101-520 for various counseling nuns, absence abuse, special spoke focus, and other various lie items for veterans court grant, in the amount of $14,679. We have a motion for approval by Commissioner Mitchell, seconded by Commissioner Eads, questions or comments. Seven V. It's, yeah, it's the one we missed, it's the budget amendment. All right, a motion in a second on the favor, please say aye. Aye, pose for me. Less you. Motion does carry unanimously. Okay, seven A is approval of appropriate action related to the Pistula Year 2016 debt and county budget. Ron, Donna. Thank you, Judge and commissioners. I gave you all an updated spreadsheet that we refer to as the changes sheet. Everything noted in green, the court has either taken action on or has given us indication that they are not interested in addressing that any further. So that's the basis of our report today. I would like to start off by just giving you a little bit of tax rate update. As you all know our current tax rate is 0.2722, 0.2722, and we ended last week, well, the budget that we recommended was going to be a 3.24% increase based on our preliminary information. Once we received final information, the good news was it brought that number down. And we ended last week's session with a tax rate increase of 2.52%. However, with the court taking action on salaries, it gave us an opportunity to go in and re-analyze salaries and make adjustments for turnover and such that happen. So we're starting off today with 2.366% tax increase or a proposed rate of 0.261920. So 0.261920. Well that's good news. I think starting off today gives you a little better understanding of where we're at. We do have a couple of people that are here when you're ready to get to the agenda items. We do have the county clerk here. I think that you asked for some additional information last week. Our office worked with Ms. Luke for every bias scenario and you'll see that there's information on page one of your changes sheet or you can reference the back-up that's in the book on page A-136 overall the equity adjustment request has been revised from a figure of $6,388 to a total of $2,528. There's also two reclassifications. We've left those at the original request that was submitted and presented to you last week. So at this point, if you have any questions of Ms. Blue or myself, we'll be happy to answer those questions for you. You're American, can you? Thank you. I looked at the backup and the dog descriptions and the correspondence and I'd be inclined to to do this. I think everybody's put a lot of work into this and I think it's been analyzed by all parties concerned. I don't know what y'all see what it is on it. Yeah I'll move to do that. Second. We have a motion in the second page to be clear. Papers on top of papers come like done. Yes. I'm recommending this stuff listed on page one of seven on her sheet that she gave us today. The total would be $7,98 for those three spots. for those three spots. And this would, in essence, take the appeal was based on the average sorry that Miss Luke came up with the seven positions that she presented all last week. That's the scenario that's being presented today. Okay. Other questions or comments? Commissioner Eads last week we have quite a bit of discussion about this. All right. I'm supportive. Okay. Thank you. Sure you're up to speed on it. Okay. Any questions or comments on the issue? We have a motion in a second. I'll in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Poe, Cine. Aye. Motion carries. Four and figure will oppose If you'd like the very on the first page, you'll see that one skinny line that says Constable Precent Five last week the vehicle itself was deleted and for some reason we also added $1,500 for that same vehicle so that was just an error so we need to actually ask for the court to take action to reduce that $1500 that was approved last week. But the page is on on page one. Quick off the drawing. Oh, I see. OK, we have a motion by Commissioner Eadz. Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. Questions? Hearing none, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, Cine? Opposed, Cures. the city. Motion carries. If you want to skip the bottom item until the very end to see if we have anything else. Yes, we can do that. We did also on page three of seven. We received a request from the 158th District Court. They asked for some replacement juror chairs that were basically kind of in a hazardous situation. So we've asked them and they are presenting a budget amendment to you next week to go ahead and get those replaced in this fiscal year. The budget amendment will be asking for contingency funds. But with that action being proposed, we are proposing that we go ahead and delete that furniture from next year's budget at the savings of $2,314. Shall move. Second. Seconded by Commissioner Marchion. On favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, aye. Motion carries unanimously. motion carries unanimously. We have items here for the Preve court on page three of seven. As you know there were three different appeals for law and reference books, news and subscriptions and training as well as sem requests for remodeling expenses. It is my understanding the last I heard is that the $3,500 that was discussed for electrical outlets, the department has asked that we hold off on that item. So there will be no action needed on that today. Danny Brimling is here to also give you an update on the remodeling of the office for files. The original request was $12,500. You'll see that Danny was able to revise that quote, which would include a wall door and a few outlets for $4,000. However, that does not include phone or network cabling lines that might be scary for that project. He's here to kind of explain that in a little more detail for you, but it's also my understanding that the 19,300 dollar project can be removed because this is basically assigned to the county clerk and so that project will not be presented for consideration. So if they want to address that, he can kind of explain a little bit more about how this will actually help the probate court with some of their staffing. I think there was a lot of discussion between the county clerk and the judge and they come up with a agreeable scenario that if they took it out where that county clerk could utilize some of the interior walls where the pool area is inside that space for her files. The only thing that does not include is the network drops. There could be, I think network drops are 500. I don't know that to be for sure per drop. So we may want to increase that amount to address that. That make it $4,500. Yes, I think three positions. $1,500 more dollars. So 50, 500 and so the 4,000. Is that what we're thinking? Is there anything in your budget or in IT's budget that can bet in this? Here. Seven go. I'm taking on a lot of projects through this. I don't know that I can probably absorb that 1500 in next year's budget. If we just leave that, if y'all are okay with it, if you just leave that amount that we gave an estimate for, we can probably make that work. Pete, to have you start absorbing things into an issue subject because next year we're going to be asking you to absorb some canals probably. There you go. So it appears to me into the 4,000, it should be 5500. And I know they were supposed to get where I could look at if they were dropped back there. They were there yesterday, but I can't, I wasn't involved in that meeting. I can't wait for the wait for those guys. That was the last. That was actually a different wall in her last week's testimony. That was a request of everybody that I was going to use. I was just going to say to my good old. I'm going to use batteries. And I spoke to Judge Robinson this morning. She said that she was happy with the compromise that y'all had worked out. So you want to add 1500 to that 4000s at what we're saying. He should be on the side side. He'd start tapping Danny's next year's budget already. I moved that I moved that we approved the excuse me 5500 and As far as I and that 3500's gone to it What or that room for That's gone as well. And then take no action on the law reference books to do subscription and training education. Okay. Everybody understand the motion in the second? For the discussion or questions? Here in Nummel and Favor, please say aye. Aye. I'm closing in. Motion is carried all right also last week had discussion with regard to the Department of Public Works request for a construction project manager position. There are two options on this spreadsheet on page two of seven. One is thinning that you add back the red and bridge engineering position, which would mean there would be additional equipment needed for the position. Option two is if you do not add that position back. And then there are two other scenarios at the bottom with regard to that road and bridge engineering position. These, the initial request was for an inspector, one 1 grade 12 after HR met with Michael Tobielo. That recommendation was made. And then we have another scenario suggested by Commissioner Eats to increase them all to be equal grade 13s. So they would all be called Inspector 2s at a grade 13. So there's various scenarios there for you. So they would all be called Inspector Tues at a grade 13. So there's various scenarios there for you. I'll remind you that we did put $107,000 in non-departmental. Please. For the court to make a decision on how you proceed with that road and bridge engineering spot. I think Commissioner Ead and I talked about this extensively and I think we agreed as to how we'd like to see it and proceed so that's what I'd be in favor of and that would be I think you'd send an email to that effect to all be the 13 yes and that would if you've approved that position, it would be the bottom line figure of 74,601 with a D-dect of 107,000 on-departmental for savings at $32,399. I'd make a motion to that effect. The very bottom two entries on the bottom of page two. So be a savings of $32,399. Our second and East motion. If you have a motion by Commissioner Ease, second and a bank, Commissioner Coleman. Thank you guys for getting together. Yes ma'am. Working that out. I think the other members wanted very much to be supportive of what you wanted to do, but at the same time, it needed to be the same. Right. Now it's been a workout tremendously. I'm glad that worked out. I think Andy and I will realize are tremendous savings having people watch our contractors and our crews. It's good to have an inspector looking over. Well, and Michael needs to help. Yeah, exactly. If each side are creating these inspector positions, upgrading some individuals and creating these, they're getting, they're currently in the process of getting textile training, so I understand that textile protocols and procedures and doing that training at a very free. And then this individual that would be in the engineering department could be a floater and help out at the east side of the building a lot more particular season. They could float over to help them or the west side. And so I think it's just a real good use of talent. I agree. I just wanted to confirm that I'd be able to hire that position right away, since there'd be no budget impact to this year's budget to get them started. I think it'd be best. There's a lot of new people, new roles to get them integrated right away so they can move forward with that. And this position is already in the budget. It's vacant at this time. So I think with your action to downgrad it, it would certainly be appropriate to fill that one now. Yeah. Perfect. OK. And while Michael was up here, everybody, he had a birthday yesterday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Thank you. Just had to be a few minutes earlier. It's a birthday yesterday. Everyone. Thank you. Thank you. Just had to be a little bit. Okay, we have a motion in a second, I believe. Yes. Any further questions or comments? On favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, any motion? Does Karen? And you also have the original request for the construction project manager position that Michael requested in the process. This would be that top entry of 115,893. What page did it on? It's on page two. It's the first entry, says the original request. I am in support of this, and I'll move for approval. We have a motion by Commissioner Ead's, seconded by the Commissioner Marchant, questions or comments. the commission of Marchant, questions or comments? Three none. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, Seney? Y'all gonna vote? Aye. Bobby? Okay. I think that's unanimous. Calling in the votes. Okay. I think if you look at the population information that was permitted by Mr. Wells, you would see that we're growing tremendously. Donna, with those two additions, we're still have our penny rate cut. Correct? Yes. I'd like to, I want to keep the penny rate cut. Commissioner, I'll remind you that we've got that on page one at the bottom, we've got that $200,000 that we were going to use for appeals and as a gift. We have not used it. Whatever we end up and we'll come through all this I'm going to recommend that Those funds be put in CIP Agreed. So let's go on with the rest of it then we'll come back to that 200,000 Okay, we're currently at 0.262056 as a rate 1 2 6 2 0 5 6. I will shoot in for a rate of 0.2622. They were from 2619 to 2620. Okay. I would like to end up at 2622, which would be a full penny deduct from last year. Okay. You don't know that yet. The next item was an appeal from Constable Precinct 6. You all had asked me to repose that for this week for consideration. That is on page 5 of seven. This was a request for 73,000 807. This was the request was for administrative type position, so that a vehicle would not be needed, nor any of the expenses related. The, I think, Commissioner Marchant made a motion last week. The bottom line is 73 807. the I think Commissioner Marchant made a motion last week. The bottom line is 73807. No, I'm really torn on this one. Regardless of how we come out today, I'm hoping that we'll do an analysis on all the constable offices next year. I mean, with the growth in the county, it needs to be looked at periodically, obviously. But it's such a hard thing to get a handle on because each constable's precinct has different requirements. Some being more rural than others. Certainly, run has all those apartments, not only there, but future ones coming. So, regardless of how it come out on this today, we probably should start that even before the budget process next year when we get so big. They all currently have five deputy constables each.'re all equal and it may be time that that Situation may change where some may need less they have with the I'm not a piece or with a JP. Yes, we absolutely have done that They peas are much easier to analyze because their work is there in the office and we can tie time factors to their work. It's really difficult to do for constables because of their geographic area and the different types of cases that they handle. It's really something I've struggled with being able to put a number. And there's a direct correlation of the amount of costables you have and the amount of papers that are served out of JP Court. And I just know that this JP Court is getting ready to be very, well it already is overwhelmed. And it's, and, uh... Press the furniture this weekend. Yeah. And so I mean it, and, and so I mean it and I just know that those civil papers are going to increase quicker than later. And I will say that the analysis that we do on the JP's, we did look at that even though no one asked for an increase in staffing this year. We look at that to help gauge on the cost of the side of things. It looks like all of our JP's are fine in fine shape. It doesn't look like any of them are short staff. In fact, it looks like most of them may be overstaffed by one. But in the grand scheme, that's a small office. So I certainly didn't want to take a position from them. At this point, they're making a time when we need to, when that number approaches to be a higher number than, you know, point nine positions or one. But I looked at that as well when I looked at the Constable situation. So this is the area south of 121 right here to Nebraska furniture. There, you know, 15,000 new apartment units but south of there between Colin County, line and the treaty river that are coming online this year so my my motion still stays the same I make a motion to approve. Okay, we have a motion for approval. Is there a second to the motion? I don't know what to tell y'all. To me, this guy, you know, the council will head on up foresight to anticipate the growth, but so I'm inclined to grant to be in favor of the request. I just don't know if we should be reshuffling some of the deputies from one office to another and while I was looking at this the other night because Donna had mentioned that. I wanted to ask Ms. Phillips the question, if we reduce an office and say there's too many people in precinct one and we then swap that slot to precinct six, how does that work in your civil service? Would we just take that person who's in precinct one and assign them to precinct six or do you let the fella go in that spot and then open up the spot the other one. It in JP we just shifted one position. Oh wait, I thought it was a vacant position I think. We wait till it's open. It was vacant. Yeah. Oh, cause I don't think I'm just, to me that was the thing I thought was going to be the problem if the position is filled. How do you shift with the guy with the slide? To the news slide. It's an excellent question that I don't think the current civil service rules address, what is addressed in the current civil service rules is a lay-off and typically if a department has more people, then the workload could justify, there would be a lay-off. And if an employee was, if a position was being added to another department, then I guess the employee could apply for that or for the layoff takes effect. And then typically a layoff would take effect at the end of the budget year and new position would be effective at the beginning. But the rules do not address such a process at all. So the budget wise that slot's gone right? That slot would be gone yes. But pragmatically we're on I think it's better to add up position than shuffle. Do you see my point. Donna, can we add this dollar amount without going over the 2622? I think we need to look at all the cost of the positions. Yeah, I agree. Just one. And sit down and have a discussion with them. Maybe they didn't come in to ask for a new position, but that doesn't mean that they may not need it. This would bring it to 0.262163. So we're still within 26213363. So we'd still be under if we didn't do anything else pretty much. But y'all think wait till next year and reanalyze it? Absolutely. We do that, we're gonna have a problem because we try to shuffle, it means we're gonna have to either reassign personnel or riff people and open up new slots. Well if we're adding an employee here, what would we shuffle even? What I have done in the past with J.P.'s is suggest if they were overstaffed in the middle of the year, the numbers were looking like they were way overstaffed to hold if they had a vacancy. They'll leave that position open because we're gonna have this discussion next year or early, hopefully very early in the process, make that determination, but I don't have a problem at all, sinning an evil to all the constables, asking them that if they have a spot, that becomes open, because all of them are significantly below on the pay for service. Although Constable 3 is very close to Constable 6, but the others, those are in question in my opinion. Let's do that. So what do you recommend now? That we not add a Constable position at this point in time that the other Constable offices, other than three and six, if they get a vacant seat, fill it with the possibility of transferring that position to three or six. We could do that during the budget process next year and once that official agreed to do that and the individual, you're the position of a body? Any cheer, you know, those numbers vary from year to year and there's not really a good basis for that. Other than a lot of times DPS, they're on the border working and you're taking off the streets so they're not riding tickets There's just a lot of variables that guy lean to play so the numbers could look very different next year So that's something we'll keep an eye on People run monthly reports and keep a real close watch on that throughout the year for record. I'll leave my motion Standing and then it died because of like a second right? The next item on the agenda you asked to repost was the county auditor reclassification request that was my last week. That is on page 4 of 7 at the top. This affects four positions. The impact was 23,363 dollars. $63. If we included that, what would it bring the rate up to? If we included that, what would it bring the tax rate up to? We included the $22,363. the the right would be 0.262090. Is that again? 0.262090. I don't know what y'all feel, but we need to probably be before we consider that, where we want to consider the thermo pump issue at 288. Is it the water 288? The repairs and maintenance. You know, because we got to get that thermo pipe. the repair is the main you know because we got to get that thermal pipe. I'm just and can I dress it please. Is there any money left in the new contingency funds out of this budget year that can go towards that that repair? There is money. The question would be whether that project could be, if we could have a contract in place by end of fiscal year. And that's kind of a purchasing question to see whether that could actually, the funds could be encumbered with a PO by year end. There's not enough time. Typically these projects should be submitted for requests by first part of July. I think that's our deadline for capital projects and major construction projects in order for those. Let me put it a different way. If there's money left over, I mean we always had the option at the end of the year, budget year, looking at contingency monies that we have left over and what to do with that. I'm sorry, and what to do with that, whether to put it in the CIP, whether to put it into our fund balance or what to do with that. Can we encumber it by this commissioners court and you contingency monies that go into like CIP that they be designated for this repair. You could certainly increase the transfer to the capital replacement fund by that $385,000 if you would like to do that. But what that would do, we would draw down fund balance by that same $285,000. I don't have a problem. I don't have a big. We can certainly do that without impacting the rate. We could draw a single time large project. It's certainly appropriate to do that. Yeah, I did too. We've done that with the but it's kept a replacement fund for you. Yeah. Yeah. Actually we'll just we would just allocate the money in the budget process for next year. All 285,000 draw down the fund balance by that amount and we'll see how will impact the rate. And it might be less. Because when I spoke to you last week, aren't there some construction projects that are going to be out of this budget currently that we approved for next budget that Danny was going to do, that we approved last due pay? There are, it's only $4,700. Nice job. $299. It would help. I mean, every little that helps. So tell me again, what if we include the auditor stuff? What would our rate be? 26209. And is that less than a penny? Yes. I put a question on that. Oh, Mr. Eads has a question. Go ahead, Mr. I want to go back through. We could take the unappropriated contingencies out of this budget year and roll that into next year's budget. And it will for the CIP to cover. I mean, you've been unappropriated this year. we need to appropriate it in next year's budget. So the way to do that in my opinion is to go ahead and increase that line item, reduce the general fund balance by that amount. And we are able to get that in this next year's budget. Otherwise, if we roll that money into this year's budget, we still don't have time to get it extended. No, no, I agree with that. I'm just just say that's how I'm trying to get into that. I think it's a way we can actually get that project completed next fiscal year. I would move that we do that. Including the item for the auditor in the thing, Bill? the He's asking if you're including the auditors request for the Request the case auditor would get it to He's asking for clarification minus for the Water or the fun Transfer here's a specific water or the fund balance transfer. Right. I put in CIP address. Yes, ma'am. $285,000 budget need for next year. Your included the auditor or not? I said no. Okay. But I'd make a motion to include. Well, wait a minute. We've got a motion on the floor by Commissioner E. I'm in Amanda motion. We'll be honored. No, I'll get to check. We have a motion by Commissioner E. I'm going to second his motion. Let's deal with this. Any further discussion on the motion on the floor? Here you none all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed to the seat. Motion you none all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed to the city. Motion does carry namelessly. Okay. Let's give them just a minute to push up here. Okay. Now back to now if we include the county auditor's request 23363 red. 0.262090. That would be correct. Just still a penny, a little over a penny, right? So that is my motion to go ahead. We have a motion by Commissioner Marchon to do the reclassification for the Auditor's Office is your second to the motion. Seconder. Seconded by Commissioner Coleman, discussion. I mean, beyond the job description, the, well, not just the job description but the was it called J.T. Further questions or comments? We have a motion and second all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed, aye. Aye. Aye. Motion fails, two in favor, three opposed. And without it, what's the tax rate in this corner? Now let's go ahead and take up, let's see, where else have we got, Donna? On page four of seven. There are some reductions that we could make on items we took action on last week. All of these are actually being done. This either this fiscal year or going to be absorbed in next fiscal year's budget. So total of $4,700. It's the item for $3,000, $1,200, $1,500, $1,500 deduction. Now with that, you received in your packets some information from Dany asking that the court can reconsider the stripping of the parking lots that would be at the Carol building and the three loot 288 buildings, which would include elections technology building facilities, TABC and parks, and then, let's park some more. And then, loot 288 CSED. So the overall impact of that, if the deductions and the additions would be an $800 impact. Andrew, Andy, does a room bridge west have a striper? Again, I could y'all have a striper? We have a small one that we bought a small striper years ago to help. Could it be used on parking lots or have no idea? to have If y'all had one or not, part of our problem is sometimes our roads are not wide enough. And the engineers have said don't drive. We have stride enough. We have stride parking lots for the county before. Okay. And the last time we were here. I didn't know. What was it? We're talking about it. Oh. There's a lot of. I don't know about it. It is like, it is labor intensive. We're willing to help, however, if it will help Danny out, however, but if he needs to go ahead and put this in the budget, I'm supporting it. I make a motion to approve a second. A motion by Commissioner Marchion. Seconded by Commissioner Coleman. Further questions or comments? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed to the name? Motion carries. Danny. Commissioner, I'll get with you. Perfect. Well, if we can save some money by the way, then it will provide. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. No, they need to get...they need to be a good partner with us and we try to help one another all the time. They need to invest in the bridge. I'd like to go to the bridge. The first practice was in the barn parking lot and then we moved over to the Carroll Building. His door part. Fisheries will not be driving that a car. No, no. Be somebody else. Okay. Okay. Item number seven on our agenda was to talk about possibly funding a portion of the ITS or transportation consultant contract out of our budget. As you know, that is currently being funded with interest earnings on the various road bond projects. Half of that contract has been discussed. The amount would be $274,350. We do have sufficient funds to cover that contract. It's the next fiscal year. And if you are interested, we can continue with the action that the court took today to fund it that way. And could start working this into maybe next year's budget or the following year after whichever you prefer. But that was asked to be added to the agenda because it is inevitable. We're going to have to be doing this at some point in sweater we start now or we start next year. I start next year. That way. By saying that you're saying in the budget process that we're working on, then, uh, or not 16 or 17. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I If we incorporate this 274 350 what rate would we ultimately come up to? She would tell us exactly. I think it's a good idea to work towards this direction but I don't think there's room in the right here. It takes it to 2624. Well, if we took a portion of it that took us to 2622, so we're still at a full penny decrease. You see what I'm saying? All right. If you take, we'd increase the amount. Not the two, not the full 275. Not the full 274. I'm going to do what have to decrease it so that we still are at attach rate of point 27. I'm sorry 2622. So we're still at a full penny decrease on the rate. We should leave leave it a few minutes. We can just start using it. We can certainly build that into next year's budget, whether it be partial now or full amount depending on what interest earnings may be left. We can certainly put. In 2017. Hey, Ron suggestion and been my recommendation. Just joking. You were aware of that. What were we at, too? Okay, well, we're going to work in the boat. What though I mean? What though I mean, what though I mean, would it be that would still leave us at the rate of two six two two I'm tightening that okay The rest of the rest yeah, let's get the rest of this too And I think Andy owes a big thanks to this commission I had all the heavy lifting. Thank you all of his. I had substantial input before vibration. You're channeling it. We're channeling you. Yes. Making these decisions. But I do appreciate just efforts. I mean, Bobby had your back the whole way. What do you want to do? For what it was worth. Well, all the requests for new employees, I said I was for it, but the darn Andy said no. Let me give you a cell number. I don't need to sit now. Let me give you a cell number. What else is there for us to address? Really the only item left is as you will recall, we put $200,000 in non-departmental for VIP. If a some flexibility of the tax rate came in different or give you some flexibility for appeals or whatever. So that money could still be reduced from the budget for next year or you could transfer to the capital replacement fund, whatever as judge foreign had suggested previously. I'd rather put it in the capital replacement fund and take the ITS funds to whatever level will still allow us to be a 2622 tax rate. I'm not a favor of that. the can be meeting in the court. Yeah, since nobody requested the use of the courtroom, nobody's contacted the court for the use of this building in the courtroom and it's in the, oh they did? Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that. But, I take that back. I just think of it. It's gonna be new. Just relax. That's kind of an exciting case. It's that murder for IRCase. That would be a hour. That would be a lot. That would be a lot. I haven't seen it. 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Mr. Eads is far amounts still coming to our public hearing. I'll do that. Change your mind. Okay. They were going to come to our public hearing, but they've scheduled Congress on Emergency Sentencing instead. Be well, be more interesting. Just announced, they just announced they're coming to that greenscape, you know, like Nebraska furniture. Gene Simmons is putting a restaurant in there. Yeah. Yeah, it's a family restaurant. That, and there also is another development company. A lava container, and it's a Mexican restaurant, and they're bought a container, and it has an 1800 seat venue. It's like the Starplex. Okay, so if you take the starplex. OK, so if you take the $200,000, OK, wait a minute. Get a resit attention. If you take the $200,000 and you just apply 100 to ITS, 100 to capital replacement fund, you still have. You could add $99,000 to be at an even 2622 rate. But if we took, so you could add another $99,000 to be at an even two six to two rate. Okay, but if we took so you could add another $99,000 to the ITS plan. If you want or to the capital or we could add $199,000 to the ITS contract and leave the entire $200,000 for the CIP and still stay at $2622 would that not be correct? The above is the top. Is that all that we've got left? But you're okay. So we left 200,000 put into CIP 1000 puts the ITS contract that still keeps us at a 2622 Chaturated full penny decrease for effect. Okay, that's my motion. Is there a second to the moment? I agree. I'd been about You want over a penny decrease in the rate is that what you're saying? I'm with her. To what? You know that? All right. What's the color of your eyes? You knew that? 262, 090. Yeah, that was the quote without the raisins for the otters. No, no, I'm sorry. No, 261, 920. 262. Yeah, that's what I'd like you to do. Do we have an appropriate? 26192. I didn't write. We'll write right now. 26192, I was going to write right now. But we just recently figured with adding 99. What you just said and all that. But what was it before that? If we it was two six one nine two Correct it was What no, how much do we have unappropriated contingencies right now that are That let me read that we have generally I know we have our litigation contingencies. We contingencies. How much do we have available? We're not giving it a roll over. S37, so that's behind your recommended summary tab. The list is there. We have regular and appropriated contingency at a million dollars. Vehicle repair contingency at a hundred thousand. Court order contingency of one million is fifty two. Insurance contingency twenty five thousand. Law suit settlement contingency one hundred thousand. How much do we have a live available that we have that we might be able to roll over? That's too sick. This is a... I have two point two million. You're still seeing a lot of requests come through for quarter point attorneys. Yeah, they come in late. They come in late. Like that. Pardon me? The quarter point attorneys come in at the end of the year. We still have two.2 million. We'll go through it. We are lucky that this year we have not had to touch that. You never know. From year to year what vehicle accidents we're going to have that we have to pay for replacement vehicles. I know we have 100. That really provides us two replacement vehicles. I know we have 100 that really and we provide us two replacement vehicles. So pretty much so. We might be able to buy down the rate more if we have less exposure on the, on the unappropriated contingency that we've been able to roll over into CIP at the end of the fiscal year. And not have to do this 200. We can certainly do that closer to the end of the fiscal year and not have to do this 200. We can certainly do that closer to the end of the year when we let maybe our last meeting of September. We can certainly do that. I think we can I think we still hit the two six one nine two oh right by doing that before that commissioner we were 26209 oh correct Bill Moore of Henry D. Crease I think when we turn down the auditor deal and then we push the money for the blue 288 repair cost that was 26 6192L and then did we add anything back at that point? That was where we were then considering adding in items for ITS. So are y'all wanting me to deduct the 200,000 out of contingency and the 99,000 and then we'll handle the rest with a budget amendment. Well, whether this fiscal year is that my understanding? Can you tell us what got us to 262,090. What what you're going to back into that number? What was that number? How many did tell me the number again? 262090 and I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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We could take it out of contingency or wherever you'd like. What's the tax rate, $90 for both of them? What? 26, 20 or 26, 21. It's a difference of about. No, the difference between the two is not 40 grand. What's our current rate again? 2722 is current rate. I'm suggesting going to 2621, which is still over a penny decrease. I think we should do is just go ahead and go down to the 26192 zero and fun ITS out of the bond proceeds. fund ITS out of the bond proceeds. That's what I think you should do. And then the next year we can address interest rates may improve in the upcoming year. Okay, if you do 2620, where you were done, like 39,500 dollars out of contingency. Okay, let's do that. How about we have a vote on whether we want to. Well, well, well, let's make sure we have a. This vote is for to reduce contingency. To reduce contingency. But I would like, and I'm willing to compromise on the tax rate to the 262O, but what I would like is a vote on whether we find ITS out of the operating budget for whether we find it out of the bonds. And then we can move on to out of the bond interest. ITS is funded out of the bond interest and we're going to move half of it to the operating budget. So what I would like is a vote on that. And then we can... The sort of half of it we just had that discussion with them. We should have a vote on whether we want to fund it out of the operate, but even a portion out of the operating budget. Okay. And then we'll figure it out and I think we'll come to what you recommended, which was the point. This is two of them. So that we're absorbing a portion of it in this coming tatcher. That's what I would suggest that we do. If we can have no two votes, I would be right. But I'm supporting the 262 out. That's what I'm saying. Are we clear on what we're doing down? Not really. OK. Um. Yeah, she's like like you know, okay? Okay. We want to take a portion of the ITS contract and absorb it into next year's operating budget. How much would that be? I didn't want to. What portion? Well, so we can retain 2.620 tax rate. I have to take 39.5 out of the budget to get to get to that. So there's not a big doubt. We can't add anything to it. So unless you reduce somewhere else. I'm 61,000 to CID. She's 74 for the ITS. Yes. Okay. Okay 274 towards the ITS time track I did general fun I'm gonna that's what I'd like to have happen yet. I'm not supportive of that Give me opportunity to vote now and then I'll turn okay. We'll go on that first Let me make sure Donna's okay. I think interest rates are going to go up next to you. Interstrates. The difference. So right now all we have is $200,000 in contingency that could be split between the ATS contract and the CFS. That's right. We only had $200 in contingency, but we could do $100 and $100. I get us to the 2.620. Or do 200 to ITS and we'll take care of capital replacement with the budget amendment this year. I would get us to either 2.620 or lower. It would get us to 2. and will reduce contingency. Okay. Okay. All right. We'll do 200 to the ITS contract then. We'll take that in one motion. That'll be my motion. Seconded by Commissioner Mitchell. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Posting. Okay. I think interest for be an action this year. So it's not a budgetary action for the upcoming budget. Okay. Okay. So I'm going to go ahead and do that. I'm going to go ahead and do that. I'm going to go ahead and do that. I'm going to go ahead and do that. I'm going to go ahead and do that. I'm going to go ahead and do that. I'll be in action this year. So it's not a budgetary action for the upcoming budget. Okay. I'll second the. All right. Now we need to make sure that. That's it. Hold on a minute here. The formal. Okay. Discussion approval proposing a tax rate. So the proposed tax rate would be 0.2620 for tax year 2015 and we determined the level of funding required for the proposed 2016 budget. In the term of the level that proposed tax rate for 2015, we did that, that's 0.262O. Take a record vote on proposing a tax rate. And so- Scheduled the two public hearings. And right, and four is scheduled to public hearings on the proposed tax rate for Tuesday, August 18th, 2015, at 7 p.m. and Tuesday, August 25th, 2015 at 10 a.m. at the court, us on the square 110, with Tickery and the commissioners courtroom. And crossing my teeth and dotting my eyes, did I mention everything that needs to be mentioned on it? Yes, in that motion. We do have one other agenda on them to go back to What would that? Okay, that was my motion sign by Commissioner Marchant. All in favor, please say aye. I pose to see me motion does carrying namously then we just set the right at 26 to Oh, you're proposing the right. We didn't set the right. We proposed the right. And we said our public hearing times. Was there anything else that you needed? Here is one item left item number 10 on the agenda. It's the financial trend analysis and financial forecast that's been prepared by the county auditor. So starting on page R60, you'll have that information and James has a quick presentation to make to you on that. to look at the trend analysis, which is on R61, takes historical data and the changes in those and actually plots them on graph to a trend. And there's a 10 of those listed. They just are just recommended things to look at, such as local revenues versus total revenues that come from other sources. The amount of operating revenues expenditure versus total expenditures, how much you spend on capital. Changes in your undeserved fund balance compared with total revenue, net-mounted debt for capita. And there's really not a lot of surprises here. I mean, obviously, anything related to debt is increasing quite a bit because we've been issuing a lot of debt in the last five or six years. So both things are going up. As expected, the other ratios are fairly stable or getting improving as you would like, as you'd like to see them. One important thing is the on page R72 and these the at the top 10 tax payers and those are staying as a very small percentage of our total tax base. This is really important compared to a lot of counties where you're seeing one county out in West Texas had their their values went down 58%. Oh, Lord. They're all, it's a small county with all minerals. Oh, all minerals. All minerals in the book, you know, but that still gives terrific and there are a lot of counties that are 10 and 15 percent down. They're not near that much. They're still very heavy on minerals. They've been benefiting off of those for many years, last four or five, but they're, you know, it's getting taken back. That's one thing that makes our tax base so strong as it's very diversified. It does, you know, we've already seen minerals go down, but it doesn't really hurt it. Same thing. That's not one here because it's very hard to get the information. But when we issue bonds, we also add the size of this particular information about the top taxpayers to also look at top employers to see if you're real heavily weighted to one employer or not. I believe New Barrow County lost one big employer about 10 years ago. They just killed and they actually relocated and it also killed their ability to raise the revenue because their property was devalued. The property with this employer was a V value to lot plus really it was big enough that it really affected their economy. So that's the things on those. The fund balance numbers, again the debt for capital is obviously going up and the debt service. That service is a portion of total revenues as obviously that's on page R69. That's really, you know, that's more than double the last decade or so. But that's nothing, it's a lot, but it's certainly to be expected when you have a half a billion dollar bond election. Because you don't have a election about expecting the issue to death. On the other analysis, this is going forward with trends based on prior year's budgets. It's really plotting what the growth in the budget would look like if budgets continue to be the same and tax based growth continues to be the same, those numbers on R74 and 75 and there's analysis of all those on the pages following. So we take those numbers, we add in some other things. Just showing you what the, what the, again, on R76, number three, what the tax rate, tax revenue may look like in the next five years based on the growth we've had How that fits in with the expected budget increases where this room is looking anything now is If you're building the base for a big tax increase or not by the way your budget thing and that's not showing up particularly if the tax phase keeps growing with the construction like it has been. There's some anomalies now on that. Because this one with charts, the debt service to really go up, but debt service is not going to go up that much more and the way things are now. So there's going to be some savings there. There's also information on expected employees and the percentage of it of your budget that will go to employees in the next few years and spending for capital. Again, the real one thing is again, the real things point out is how much you budget is going to have to go to debt based on what will be, again, if for any reason, the last seven, since what's to happen since 2008 continues to start, continues going on. It will be a point when debt will get to be of awfully big part of our budget. And that is, again, the only real negative we saw from monorating this year is that there's a big part of our budget. But the answer would be, well, we expected that. It was the plan. You know, you don't do a big bond election as big as we did it and like, think, well, the rest of the budget is for the man. Okay, for you. So that's just, you know, in the interest of time I'll leave it at that and give me questions or you want to contact me later that's fine too. Okay. Thank you James. I think that wraps up everything we have. The next item you'll see on the agenda will be the first public hearing. On the text rate we'll have a PowerPoint presentation to make that evening meeting. And then the next following week we'll have the second public hearing. That timber first is when we're scheduled for adoption. You will see the notices start appearing in the newspaper with regard to the tax rate in your vote today to propose a rate as well as the other required public hearing notices on the budget and elected official salaries. When is the night one? Is it August 25th? 18th. 18th. I think we all are or some of us may be going to the Texas County and Differt. TAC. It's not the 25th. Okay. Good. Okay. The night meeting. The night meeting on the 18th. We're going to take care of all our court proceedings that night. We're not going to meet in the morning in the afternoon. We're just doing it all one meeting in the evening. Just wanted to be quarter on that. OK. You got everything you need, Don? Thank you. You know what I'm saying? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, everybody. Thanks, everybody. All right. Judge, regarding future meetings, we got notification yesterday that our newest corporate headquarters, former brothers, which we were very supportive to welcome. They have their groundbreaking next Tuesday morning at 8.45 and I'd like to invite the court to be in attendance. Could we schedule next week's meeting to 10 instead of nine? Is that okay with the members? I'm making. Okay. Are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay? I like for us to be in attendance. This section of Dowsen War Newt. Yeah. That's a neat article. You think they'll have any coffee for us? I bet. Okay, so if we could do 10 a.m. next week, that would give us time to be present and come up here. Okay, everybody got that? Next week starting at 10 o'clock instead of 9 o'clock? All right. We're adjourned. Everybody have a great day. Thank you, Ron.