I'm meeting up town council together and bar the office with us tonight. Rondas on vacation. Would you be so kind to take a roll call? Mayor Butler. Here. Bob Circus. Don't ask me. Here. What's the thing? Here. Here. Okay. Do we have anyone in the community who would like to make a public comment? Please come forward. I can't see the top of your head. Thank you. Good to see you. No matter what you buy us. Just write there for the mic and your name, state your name, and I have a name. My name is Joe Enzer, and I'm here today with my team member, Kim Dubois, and we are a part of the current Roingford Leadership Class. And part of that class is to pick a civic project and our civic project is working with Habitat for Humanity. And what we're trying to do with Habitat is kind of raise awareness of their programs out there. And to that end, we are appearing in front of most of the electric boards in the area, also trying to do some personal outreach to realtors, title companies, property managers, architects, designers, construction companies, anybody who might have involvement in demolition and remodel. And our goal is to increase awareness and show that we might be able to really make a difference. And to that end, we'd like to give you just a very short presentation about habitat and humanity. We all grew up watching Sesame Street. And one of the iconic characters from Sesame Street is Oscar. But Oscar's grouchy. Why is Oscar grouchy? He's grouchy because he has to live in a garbage can. Nobody wants to live in a garbage can. Nobody wants to live with garbage. One of the realities of living in this area is the limited resources for the disposal of garbage, household waste and construction waste. The Picking County landfill has a projected lifespan of about another 15 years. Although there is a potential expansion program, even with that expansion program, it'll still only carry the landfill out another 10 years. In Pickin County, 64% of the material taken in the landfill comes from construction and demolition. And demolition is kind of a constant thing in the area we live in with a lot of tourism and second homes. So this goes on constantly. And in 2015, it was a record breaking year. The economy's really roaring again. When the current landfill reaches its max and it's the end of it, it's expected life, there is no plan for a new landfill. And the expense of closing a landfill can be as much as $10 million. Jackson Wyoming is currently going through a program to close their landfill. And it's estimated to cost $10 million just to close it. Once the landfill closes, all of the trash that is generated in this upper valley is going to have to be trucked out, trucked out of the valley. And that means an additional trucks on the highway adding to the already congested highway 82, increasing the carbon footprint that might have to deal with taking care of this garbage, and potentially doubling the cost of disposing of our garbage. Teton County and Wyoming is an example. Their trash is now being trought 100 miles to Idaho and their cost is almost doubled. It's easy to think that this is not my problem and that I can't personally do anything to impact this and to increase the life of the landfill. That's not true. Habitat for Humanity has a program that will pick up materials from your home demolition or furniture from your remodel. Habitat then sells these items back to the community. The proceeds from the sale of these items will go to building homes for the preserving families right here in the Rorynfork Valley. Not only are we doing the right thing, but you will get a text deduction as well. The Rorynfork can be a leader. We've done it before. For example, in late 2015, the city of Asman became only the third municipality in the country to be powered by renewable energy and diverting construction waste reflects the community desires. Written into the 2012 Aspen Area Community Plan is the goal of encouraging behavior that moves our area toward being a zero waste community and extending the life of the landfill. Other communities have taken steps to deal with the problem. For example, Boulder County, Boulder County's Build Smart Program for the unincorporated areas of the county, requires deconstruction project to salvage all reusable cabinets, doors, windows, flooring, and fixtures, and reuse a recycle, clean lumber, and wood cheating. Meanwhile, the City of Boulder's deconstruction permits require that at least 65% of the material by weight can be diverted from the landfills Help reduce the landfills carbon footprint while providing more local homes for those in need We need you to get involved by spreading the word and Shopping at or donating to habitat restores together. We can all make a difference to support our community Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Can I have a question first? Oh, sure. And also for Joe, the you guys great program. Thank you for coming. And I know I'm in the plumbing and heating business, and I've been involved in some of these remodels. Things happen quick. And when they happen, they want people need to get this stuff out. and they've waited a long time for humanity to come and pick stuff up and they couldn't wait anymore. They were on like a two three-week waiting list so is there any way for you to increase if you could increase that time period I think I think we can increase the habitat process of helping out the landfill. Okay? Okay. I think one of the things we're trying to do, we've also created a handout. We're trying to get that handout placed kind of in strategic areas, building departments, title companies, real estate offices. So the thought and the potential of donating to Habitat may come earlier in the process, because we do understand that if it is thought of sort of late in the process, there may be not enough time for it. But if we can get people to sort of think about it a little farther in advance, we all know that in a lot of these areas, the permitting process can be lengthy. And so if we can get people to start thinking about this when they're actually applying for a permit, there should be plenty of time to put something like this in the process. Well, that's if you got a big project. A lot of people who are doing the small bathroom remodels where you don't necessarily have a general permit. It's a stand-alone plumber, plumbering or electrical permit. They want to go, oh, we're going to go right now. By the way, let's get rid of this first. Let's find out how quickly we could have it picked up. Someone told me, well, they told me it's going to take them three weeks to get it out of here. I'm having the boys move it tomorrow with the landfill. They can't wait that long. Yeah, And I think that's really good feedback that we can bring back to habitat. And I don't know if we're looking for feedback. I don't know if you can control that. Right. And that happens a lot. The bigger homes you're right, the bigger homes they have time to wait on. And they have time to plan on that. But for a lot of, this is the time of year people go, you know what? I'm going to remodel the bathroom. And by the way, I think I'll do something with this bedroom furniture. It's got to go. Right. And then we've got to move it now. Right. Right. Right. It's an excellent feedback. And we could, again, as Kim said, we could kind of talk to Habitat about trying to improve their response when they do get phone calls like what you're talking about. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's a great, great program. Yeah. Thank you. Well aware of some of those homes that have gone on. Some of my employees have habitat homes. So, great. Thank you. Tell Scott I said hello. Okay, anyone else from the public who'd like to come forward? Hey, next item is consent agenda. Do I have motion for approval? Man, I might just for one second, one of the items on the consent agenda is the draft 2016 upcoming meetings. And May 9th is the work session a week from tonight. We don't have any topics that are sitting there to be we can add something to that. Or if you guys wanted to take them Monday off that's option that's an option as well. I'm not here and knowing I vote for the Monday off. It would just be you too and you won't have forum. Well it's up here. Yep. Circus is in Israel. But but learn circuser out and I just and I just notice I know that we don't have anything scheduled for it, so we can either schedule something for it. No, I am here. You can hear it. I was just saying I'll vote for Monday off. Do we have anything to talk about? No. No. There's nothing scheduled. I mean, we can always come up with plenty of things to talk. But if you want to midnight off, that could be the night you're self-soft. Fine. Whatever you guys want to do. Let's leave it off. I think they all deserve a little break from that horrendous push. But last year, about this time? So May 9th, as part of this consent, we'll take that May 9th meeting and just remove it for that work session. Then the 16th would be after that. Resolution 22 is the appointment of a new member for SOB, the Snowman's Arts Advisory Board, Michael Miracle. I think many of us know Michael. He works for SkiCo and really is trying to reach more and more out into the community and get involved. So I think that's a very good appointment. I'm sure many of you know him. I know him. Yeah. The only other note was on November 2nd. There was a direction towards Count Staff to find the $10,000 to fund the employee survey by an outside organization. And that's going to be for the next agenda. Okay, and we'll see that here in a minute. Is there anything else? We still have a number of seats open right on. Sob? The sob has a set up that there's a range of seats. And so from what I've talked to the folks that work with the group, they try to keep it around 9 or 10. I think the ordinance allows up to 15. I don't remember the exact numbers. So the technical answer to your question is yes, but they're not actively recruiting because the groups about the right size to get things. And we are recruiting outside of the city limits, often. Yeah, I don't know. There are different ordinances or different boards and different requirements. But when someone applies or we talk to you, they go through a sheer appointment, of course. But there are a number of vacancies if you wanted to fill it to complete to the maximum the maximum but history as we kind of kept it around 10 and that seems to work best. Where we're really light as a.B. isn't it? I don't know it's talking about. Yeah because heaven member Kevin he yeah decided he would go on a.B. Okay so it's cool. Okay that's good. The only other thing I know looking at everybody's calendars is we're talking about consent. We need to get the council picture scheduled. I think the next meeting we're all together is July 5th and then we get into silly season before for a log. Okay so I do I have an motion for approval for the consent agenda. A motion to approve the consent agenda. I will second that motion. Thank you very much Tom. All supports AI. Hi. Same sign. Moving on. We don't have a public hearing this evening. We move right into the second reading. This is ordinance number five series of 2016. And ordinance of me the 2016 budget for the general fund and the exercise tax fund for the town of Snowmass Village. Madam Mayor, the first reading of this occurred April 19th. And as you can read through the ordinance, it's appropriating $440,000 in order to purchase town home number 18 in the country club town home units. That was approved unanimously on previously and we would have normally just gone ahead and put this on the consent agenda for consideration. But during that meeting two weeks ago there was further discussion about appropriating funds for a employee survey. And if you remember we had brought back kind of a draft of the council to consider and the direction routes and the count received from the council was to go ahead and bring in an outside consultant to go ahead and finalize it and execute it that way. So we didn't have those dollars budgeted, so we thought we would just appropriate as part of this ordinance in an additional $10,000 to in order to effect or execute on that survey. The, what would be page 28A, which is, I put it on your agenda. Page 28 is in your electronic version. The last two sentences got off on 28A, and that shows that we'll be taking the $10,000 from the general fund, applying it to one time funds. And so, assuming that we understood the direction of council correctly to go ahead and do the survey outside we would appreciate a motion to approve ordinance number five, series 16 as amended. Motion for approval. This is second reading. Do we have to do the bill call? You might want to do. So if you want to call for the motion for approval, then during the discussion, I need you to make a motion to amend that has to pass, and then you can vote on your approval. OK. OK, a motion for approval of ordinance. I'll make a motion to approve. Ordinance. All right. Number five. Second reading. Do I have a second? I'm second. Thank you. But now we need to make a motion to amend. Yeah, I think I don't have that page either, but I think it just as far as it goes to page 30. The second page of the ordinance. Second line right there. I think that number has to change, doesn't it? Correct. Correct. And that's that's the 10,000 that's missing so the general fund Number will change from a hundred and seventy five thousand dollars 174,175 184,000 so if someone would move to amend that number it seconds it carries and you can have the vote Okay, I'll make a motion. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. All right. Let's make a motion to amend the General Fund housing mitigation number the 174 175 to 184 175. No. No, no, no. That's a general fund. That's the general. No, no, yeah, exactly. And the housing project is separate from this $10,000. So all you're doing is you're moving to a men that general found amount in an increase of $10,000 for the employee survey because the housing is a separate project. So. OK, just the way John said. I have a second. Second. Thank you very much, Bill. OK, this is a second reading on Nornards. Is this a roll you very much, Bill. Okay. This is a second reading on Nornards. Is this a roll call? The other... Last amendment. Yeah, we have passed the amendment. All in support of the amendment. Aye. Aye. Opposed? I'm signed. Okay. No. Discussion. Further discussion? Any questions? Or anybody? Okay. Are we, where are we with that survey? Are we still looking at different companies that can perform that? We've done, we've called a several. We've got quotes from at least three, and it looks like the most cost effective is to go with Mountain States employer council. And so the survey would be about 4,000 if I remember correctly, and the memberships about 4,000. And through the evaluation would be about 4,000 if I remember correctly and the membership is about 4,000. And through the evaluation and membership in the mountain states, we'll give us some other benefits as well. So instead of just paying 8,000 for this survey, we'd probably pay 8,000. I'm rounding my numbers here to get some more services out of the product as well. And so I'm very confident in saying that the Mountain States employer accounts, but I think we got to see the final purchasing bid and all that kind of thing. So you'll provide the questions and they'll probably add to it as well. I think we might even start from scratch and say, hey, you guys do this for a living, what do you think? And then we'll show them what we've got, of course, but let them tell us how you guys do it. Sounds good. And what does the sale of that unit happen? Well, we just talked with the folks and it could be as soon as the end of the month potentially that we got to work with legal and some other but they'd like to close by the end of the month. Okay. And then you're going to run it back for a while? Stick around. No, we already found a place. Oh, you did. Okay. We're sort of. Okay. Congratulations. Congratulations. We're going to miss you, John. Thank you. Yeah, I miss you too. We've been here for a couple of years. That's great. We always hate to lose people from our community. It's harder and harder and harder all the time for all of us to see art here. Friends leave. So we have a motion on the table for ordinance number five. We have an amendment to ordinance number five that has been moved and seconded and passed. For the discussion. The amendments passed. So now you're voting on the amended ordinance. Is this a second reading required? Okay. We approved the amendment to the motion. So are you ready for a local? Okay. Mary, Marky Butler. Yes. Mary. And Bill Matson. Yes. Elizabeth Shank. Yes. And Tom Good. Yes. Okay. You carried. Let's move forward. Joe, thank you very much for all your hard work. Thank you. Thank you. Let's show him. I will miss these people too. It shows our housing program really works when we have people live here this long and utilize these units, so it's good. Great stuff. Thank you very much for all your hard work on the housing program all these years. Well, thank you Thanks, Joe Okay, CCP Community connectivity review plan. So this is a Community connectivity plan review and Anne is with us this evening. So as you recall at the April 18th meeting our consultant was here to walk through the draft plan. The goal today was to allow council left some more time to digest, read, see if there's any comments or suggestions. Since that meeting, we also had a steering committee meeting and talked about the plan and they've had a chance to look through it. They have recommended a modification and I outlined both those modifications to the plan in the memo. The first one was the question to include the amount, the estimated amount for the Alcreek, brush Creek Road intersection just to include that in the text of the plan. And then the recommendation that came from the steering committee meeting was to add another goal, which is to evaluate projects to ensure that costs are appropriate for benefit, and that projects be deliver value, consumer, consumer to the capital investment. So basically, you know, we talked about this process that it's a recommendation of improvements to meet the vision of walkable, bikeable connected community. And there was a lot of projects that were recommended through the plan. But basically, as we come back with the capital improvement process we would talk through those recommendations and talk about the funding and whether we can continue to put those in the work program each year. So what's the total cost of this whole? So the recommendation for the trail connections were around $3 million and the crossings were at, I'm going to sub-today those, each of those four crossings are around 200,000 with the average of those four. It's almost a million. Yeah. It's a million. Yeah. It's a million for that. I'm not convinced we need mediums, but that's in the whole design discussion. And all these are conceptual. And is there any estimate for there was a three million creek roundabout? Correct. So the recommendation was to do, you know, if you didn't do the aloe creek roundabout, then this is what you would do as far as recommendation, conceptually of how to get people around and what kind of exercise that. The that crossing, 3,000, 25,000. But as you recall, they're conceptual. I mean, we haven't done the survey yet, and there's utilities and things of that sort. So we're north of, let's say, 7 million. 3 million, and another million would be the pedestrian parts of it. The intersection improvements that deal with pedestrians and traffic flows through million, yes. intersection improvements that deal with pedestrians and traffic flows through Milan, yes. Over what period of time is there a timeline or anything? No timeline. So that's, you know, that's the conversations we'd come back and talk about through the capital improvement process of priorities and when we would implement certain infrastructure. And these are estimates, you know, the, yeah, the, the drawings are all conceptual. They're not, there's nothing right. So there is, you know, there's elements that are recommended as design standards that would increase the safety and the design features. I mean, we could talk through those things as we come forward with those projects, but basically the plan is to talk about if you want the community to have these walkable, accessible, connected community, these are the types of things that you would want to implement within the community. One of the, in a minute or five, we're kind of, we're talking about goals. And one of the goals to council said was, hey, let's develop a capital improvement program. And really, in my mind, one of the first things you have to do is wetter all the potential projects out there. And then the critical political part, the hard part, is the prioritization of those. And so in my mind, with this project is doing the CCP, the vision is setting all those projects that are out there. and then through the budget process this year, the upcoming year, it will be prioritizing them. Some of the projects might not be as high priority but we want to make sure that you know all the projects that are out there. And so the numbers that Madam Mayor that you just brought out, they're big, we acknowledge that absolutely. But we did that on purpose to make sure that it's a thorough evaluation of everything and then when you're prioritizing, you have at least a good starting idea of what kinds of things CCPs should be done. I tell you where I struggle with the ambitious time frame by which we've seen the plan here and to get it approved. At the same time we know the comp plan is coming forward. And the comp plan is our overarching document to me that really speaks to this community of what it is and what the vision is for this community. To me, that's always overarching and that's the vision that sets the standard for projects in our town. So over the weekend, I went back, reread the comp plan and there's two sections that seem to be a little bit in conflict, if you will, with where this plan is moving, which gets into the whole notion of rule nature of our community or the urbanization, the certification of our project, albeit all the safety issues. I also though see the comp plan does talk about safety. So to an extent, I can kind of move my thoughts towards safety as first and foremost which it is but there's also the overarching plan. So I'm going to ask and to what extent has the planning commission who takes accountability for working on drafts and the works of the comp plan? How to what extent have they been involved with this plan? They have been involved in definitely the beginning part of the process. When we had the stakeholder meetings, we've done presentations with them. I can't remember the exact date. November, December, we brought back those recommendations that were hearing or the comments that we were hearing from the public. And, you know, I haven't presented to them recently, but they have been definitely aware of the process as we've been notifying and posting the things on the webpage. Well, that means it doesn't mean that they've been... I understand. Yeah. They didn't read the packet. Yeah. Well, just like the one other element of the comprehensive plan was that to be sustainable and be less reliant on vehicular burning. Yep, that's in there. Yep, that's in there. It's also important that we create a more pedestrian and friendly environment and a lot of almost all of these aspects are kind of tied particularly the road crossing, the trail connections. They're definitely tied to that improvement and trying to make this more pedestrian friendly environment. And that's what it was. I'm not going to argue with that because I found the same way I got into traffic count and the built environment and all of those chapters to reread. It also contemplates the rule nature and by various areas it contemplates and discusses rule nature. I wonder if it might be wise. I would be helped if we were advised by planning commission that this is point on or point off or there needs to be somewhere in between. Particularly as you begin to think about medians and all that kind of stuff. I don't know. That's, I mean, I could get to the corner of supporting the connectivity plan the same time. I don't know why we're, I'm really struggling with why we're doing this so quickly. We started six months. We did, but council just saw it in the real last three weeks That's where I am okay, well and part of your answer to your question is I mean again And a couple of them to talk about goals you talked about let's let's design something across brush Creek And so we wanted to make sure we're doing that in a comprehensive manner You said hey, let's identify both hard surface and soft surface trails to get around. And you also said, hey, we've got this multi-nodal community. So we took these goals that you guys said in May a year ago, and we started through the process. And really the punch line of this is, we put money in the 2016 budget to get improvements to brush creek crossings in. We put 75,000, and we wanted to make sure whatever those improvements were were aligned with a broader vision and that's if we were hoping that we could get a plan adopted by you guys I said this seems to make sense and we could have we could get some I guess marching orders to take it for later this year and get something in. Well let me tell you let me give you a feedback on it yes Yes, that was the town goals. The town goals did not, I don't remember us doing it. Each one of us going back and looking at our town goals, relative to the comprehensive plan. And then second of which is, I could support the brush freak crossing down by the town park station. You know that right then that was $70,000 if I remember right or up to 125? The budget right now we have a 75,000 the project's bigger than that but we're looking at trying to phase in the project. Well you're gonna do it right you know. But I would I just think with a complaint coming this may do one of these and they may get caddy Wampus with one another. So I would be helped the planning commission look at the full balance of the program. However, we see what the plan is. I personally support that crossing, but short of that, I'm still want comprehensive plan until it changes to be our advising document? I don't that's man. Those are my comments from spending a lot of time on this issue this weekend Well, I know the comp plan is back in planning there. I don't know how far they are About one inch. Okay But you haven't approved document called the comp plan. Correct. So I mean, I don't know how much this will conflict with the new comp plan, but I don't see the harm in it. And going forward with the crossing, we all seem to like down there by the park, that part of it to move forward with and I don't I don't see I don't have any problems throwing this back at the planning department and Having them give a quick look and see how it the planning department's been involved I mean so that's a really commission the planning commission excuse me planning commission on that So the thing that I mean if you go to page 36 of the packet. Of which packet? It's 36 in the red or on your 6 of 79 depending on which how you want to look at it. Page 6 of the I legislate. Correct. Page 36 overall the packet, but if you look at electronically, it's six or seven. Vision and goals. Right. And so this is how, I mean, this is the part that I think, you know, where does the leadership come from? And if you guys said this, this, this vision in fact does match what we want to be doing, I think that helps inform the comp plan. And that was the logic is if the words are closer, you know, I'm just going to say, are right. Then that helps the planning commission know, hey, this is the direction the town council wants to go. And then we need to make sure that there's policies and whatnot coming through that process. And it's almost a chicken and an egg type issue, which comes first, the comp plan or the area, smaller stuff. Right. And this example and the poster that's coming through now as well, we put the egg first and said, these are small steps towards that bigger vision. Let's make sure these small steps are in the right direction. And then when that big vision comes down over the course of the next year, you can switch the vision and then switch the small steps. I don't know if there's a right and a wrong way to do it, but this, with that was the thought process, is saying, especially with the goals that you guys set last May, hey, let's improve connectivity, we needed to jump on these small steps first, and that's why you had the CCP before you. If this is not right, then by all means, let's change it. Let's make this reflect on that. I can always live with a vision statement because it's broad in general. And that's very broad, very general. It doesn't talk about the how. I'm not totally convinced that the how that has come forward ties with the vision that's in the complaint. This, I mean, I agree to that, but do we have the right answers? I'm not sure. I don't know if the solutions, that's where I struggle. It's that rural nature versus certification. And is that the only way we can get there? Is the sidewalks, all the shoulder stuff, a lot of money, and we don't even have traffic counts. So when you say people said they think that there is 20... We have traffic counts. We don't have pedestrian counts. Yeah, we don't have pedestrian accounts. We don't have pedestrian accounts. Well I think we fall apart as town council approving something that could be like $3 million on something that we think. But it's not approving those projects per se. We still have to come back to you to get the funding approval. Yeah well yeah but you know I know what that's. That's our due diligence that we go through and look at. Make sure I like to see a few counts if we're going to go there. And I'd like to see a few counts. I know exactly what you're saying. The games, it's not games. It's somewhat the strategy we all use in leadership. Let's get a vision approved. And then we come back, well this is what the budget is but you've already approved the vision. So it is chicken and egg. Well, I mean, again, it's you guys's call, but what we're trying to do is say, let's line these things up. If the council said brush Creek Crossings are the priority, which is the adopted goal statement, we wanted to make sure that in fact we could do it in a way that fits a broader vision. If you guys can buy off on that, every year you're going to see the projects and I think that last goal that the steering committee discussed and I don't remember that we're talking about commensurate with whatever we're talking about. Fundamentally what it comes down to is let's make sure that it's paying for the buck. Let's make sure that the investment actually is going to produce the level of safety we want and we're not just putting concrete down for giggles. And that's with that last goal statement. That was a discussion that the steering committee had. I think that was a fair addition to that policy. I'm hoping that we could add a level of comfort to you Madam Mayor. Well, my point is we're talking about how the how. Just plain safety could be just those crossings that they were talking about. It doesn't suggest the two light thing or the four light thing, improving crossings, what does that really mean? Is a reasonable solution? The pedestrian, whatever those things, or those CCIs, or whatever that was. They're talking about the rapid flash. Oh, they're our flash. Right. Yeah, because what do we mean by just because we hear that there may be 20 people that cross in an hour. We don't know that. The rapid flashing also gets at the night lights and everything else in this town whereas the crossings are considered one opportunity for safety. The one is Sinclair. I could probably get my arms around that, the one down at town clerk, but all the other ones, I'm not, you know, you talk about the far away. I'm up and down that road all the time. I don't see 20 people per hour crossing that. They're talking a lot of peacocks. Yeah, so it's during the, you know, bus deep heart and then walking back and forth for the loading of the kids whatnot. But again, this is the policy stuff that we're not going to fight with. We're not going to argue with you. This is amongst you guys. And this is what we're trying to figure out. What is it when you talk about pedestrian safety and connectivity? And if this isn't reflecting that, let's make this document reflected. But when we went through the public hearings, the workshops, there's a 600 comments we got online, whatever it was, this is the feedback that we got. And if it's off base, that's your job to tell us it's off base. What we try to do is take a culmination of all those, all that feedback, a culmination of at least how, for me, how I read your goals and said, here's a document that we think is going to help you achieve it. It's a long-term plan. We're not going to drop that much money on trails. But all the investments we do make over the next several years or however many years are going to try to implement that. And that's why I keep kind of harping back to that vision. And if that's it, if the vision's close, then as you said, Madam Mayor, that are we implementing the right, that's what we get to decide on a project by project year by year method. I think the vision is good, and I'll need to get my fellow council people here talking, but I really, really still am troubled with what we've seen so far against where the comp planned advises the direction of this town. So I can read it and which I have and I've studied it and I can somewhat get there. But the reason why we have a planning commission is also to provide advice to the town on projects that are associated with the overarching document. They come back in here and we're on so you know it's point on it's spot on. Excuse me Mayor grass roots has asked if we can take five minutes break they've got some technical issues with the broadcast. So can we just stop for five minutes? Sure, we're going to stop it. Throw the flag. Okay, go ahead. We're on. Okay, thank you, Barb. We're the listening audience now. Which is the 10 of us right now. It's just us. It's no longer listening audits. Let it be noted that our Brandica system has had a technical air and we're continuing your reputation of the meeting on May the 2nd 2016 where the midst of discussing community activity plan and recognizing this is a pretty significant plan for discussion this evening with the potential pending another discussion in two weeks for approval. But as the council members do you want to continue over if you like to put its own a conversation so are viewing audios and are facing audios and seeing what's happening. Well, I think we should postpone it just because I think the importance of it between our discussion and talk with about planning commission alongside the new comp plan and everything else. I'll see the harm and move it. I'm postponing it. I mean, is there harm in postponing it? It pushes back the projects and things. I mean, if there's, the gun of comes down to how quick you want to think. I don't want to push the policy project through. I understand that. But as long as you all understand that we're not going to start cranking on projects. Unless you want us to. The idea was to make, to vote to get to the next level. Correct. The idea was, is there anything that's outstanding that we need to be addressing? Is there a... Like the market point, the mayor's point. If this is wrong, it's not reflective, because it's through the rural versus natural environment, called out in the complaint, and we need to go back and do some major homework. Great, that's the direction we're looking for. If we need to tweak one or two things, okay, let's tweak those things. This was kind of that last kind of discussion before you went through adoption process. We wanted to make sure that it was going on a path that was acceptable for you. I think it was wise we've postponed for two weeks. I think it's so important in the strategic direction two weeks doesn't harm the decision. It's me thinking. So the goal is to the $75,000 that we have budgeted would be allocated to the downward intersection which is budgeted about 120,000. So how do we make up that difference? We do it over two years probably. So it would be planning, get it started this year, maybe it would go to construction next year. No, I think we can look at what my goal was to try to phase in some of the construction this year. And there is some design things in there. It's not as complicated as some of the other locations. So it would be a two year project though, for sure. Do the whole design process. You could almost go, I mean, I personally find with that it's the larger thing relative to the comp plan, because we know that that is a strategic. But what does two weeks, what's wrong with two weeks, Ian? There's nothing wrong with that. The conversation is, you know, tonight was to talk about where you all were at because we hadn't had that ball on conversation yet. And then we'd come back in two weeks and either not come back with a resolution if that was the consensus this evening or come back with a resolution that would recommend approval with the plan or their streets to the plan. So that's what we were just looking at. That's, there's no magic for this evening. It's just we're trying to continue and as we move forward we move into the budget process and it's just laying out the project. So, Marke, you had talked about plan commission looking at this. When would you want that to happen? We would send a direction to a planning commission and then it would have to be scheduled. I don't know what their calendar is. I do think we would have it back to us. Maybe in two meetings from them. I think you could probably answer this question better than I can. I can't even ask the question in regards to they have their hands full right now with the comp plan don't they? Well they're starting to review process and you know last week, last week they started reviewing an ordinance that could modify how the review process works. That was a two hour plus meeting. I believe May 11th is their next meeting, and they're gonna have that discussion again, and they're gonna talk about the comp plan, and they're gonna talk about process to review the comp plan and issues along those lines. And then whatever monthly day-to-day stuff comes up, I don't even know what scheduled that way. I'm just the comp plan is definitely hot and heavy in their plate. Well good, this would be a nice little project for them to take a look at in the context of the comp plan. See, I don't want to say they're too busy. That's not nice to say. But if it's the right direction to have them take a look at it, then we need to assign it to them. Has the fire department also reviewed the plan? They've been involved in these discussions, yes. And so are they in favor of the roundabout? Well, Alakriek. Yes, they've gone through and in fact before I was here I know that they were involved in Mm-hmm. That's true. A test demo in that area. It's very similar to what is being designed for the carriageway in Wood Road Many roundabout there. So They were involved in those review of those plans as well. Those were two years ago? Year ago? No, for the- I'll be- Roundabout, roundabout, Al Creek. It was more than two years ago, it was three I think. Oh, we've got change and leadership and everything else there. So, different board. So have they viewed this plan? They have seen elements of this plan and I've talked to Meli through the process. Have they signed up on it? No, they haven't. I haven't said do you sign up on this? Can I ask a question? So the brush creek road improvements per intersection are fairly costly. And if we started with rodeo, you know, that intersection and then kind of then prioritize the rest of the intersections, you know, that could take a really long time, obviously. Is there anything, is there any middle ground as a way to improve the safety in those intersections? I mean, one of the original reasons why I brought it up when we had our goal setting was because I had been approached by parents whose kids have to cross that intersection in a far away and brush creek because of the way that the school bus is, where it lets off and where it picks up. And I mean, that could be like five years off in terms of coming up a solution. I mean, is there anything that we can do at some of those intersections to improve safety without going to these measures right now as like an interim. There's interim solutions that are available and you can correct me. Once we understand that what we're kind of comfortable with, I mean if we're comfortable with the flashing lights, we're comfortable with meetings, we're comfortable with whatever. Once we understand kind of the parameters we get to play ball in, then we can come back with interim. I know what, because I've asked that question, I know what Anne's thinking right now, she's looking at me. We don't want to invest something or install something that's going to have to be ripped out two years later. That's a waste of money. And so in order to install a lot of these things, you've got to make sure the whole project's designed right. So it's going in the correct spot the first time. Right. We can start that design work but we need to make sure that in fact the projects we're aiming for are right and then we can do it and it's not as easy as I'm making it out and I know that's what she can talk to you through the detail. No, I think. But getting the asphalt wide enough where it needs to be and those types of things so the science can be put in the right spot so they don't need to move two or three times. That's what we're trying to prevent with some of these designs. We get those crossing strips as a happy median. We have crosswalks. Oh, not at far away. No. Because whatever is there is not there. Partly because we don't have curb and gutter in those sections and we don't have ADA ramps. And so this is where I struggle in the senses that I think we've all agreed that we need to do improvements for the safety and the walkability. And the goal of the project was to come forward and say, okay, these are the type of elements you want to install in order to meet those goals. And defining it whether it's defined as rural versus urban is a difficult thing to say on what is that, what is that cusp of what's what's urban what are you defining that when really you're looking at these things as their improvements to meet those goals that you all identified that we need to work on and unfortunately if we don't have a guiding document to get us to go someplace there, it's very hard for us a staff to come forward with projects that meet these criteria because everybody's like, well, what about this intersection? What about this intersection? So we kind of need a roadmap to give us a direction to go so that we can continue to come back with projects and say, is this meeting the mark? And that's what the whole purpose of this plan was. We went out, we gathered the comments, we got a litmus test of, is this on the mark? We were hearing that these are on the mark and summarized it coming back with, here's your vision, here's your goals you want to accomplish and here's the recommendations based on this, the standards that are out there in place right now. And that's just, it's really the crust of the whole project. Well the only thing that I see where you're going and it's very logical but I'm asking we have an overarching document that guides our decision making process as well because this council today may be a different council tomorrow and that document as a key document for the leadership of this town. So I don't have any problems with getting going on town park station. I've said that 15 times. The far away, it's can't be when they throw off the kids. It has to be in the morning that you're talking about and there's a police officer right there. What happens is in the afternoon, when the bus comes up, it cannot. I'm sorry. Yeah, we don't get to control where the school district buses stop. I stopped there tonight. Yeah, I mean, so there's lots of these details that we can work through and we continue to and I know David does and I know we have the school district involved in a lot of these discussions trying to figure out how to make that. And again, it's kind of back to that broader issue that you all pointed out. We need to improve connectivity. We need to improve all these kind of things. And that's really the crux, does this document reflect that or not? That's really the question before you. And if it doesn't, we need some direction on how to tweak it so that we can get it before you so you're comfortable with it. Well, I mean, I think one of the most important things that, you know, they presented the other week when we went through this with the company that did the whole study was that visitors have a tough time and don't understand how to get around. And like, I might understand, but, you know, the average person that's coming here and given that we're a tourist town, I think that I get the whole rule versus urban thing, but you have to make it accessible. And that's one of the things that's all over all those goals. Now do I think it's a good idea that the Planning Commission looks at it and has an opportunity to go through it we went through yes and maybe some of them have come to those open houses and put in their input but I mean the information didn't just make its way to the page. It got here because people came and commented and these are people that live here or are visiting that want to see improvements in these areas. I mean, you know, I haven't spent a lot of time looking at the cost plan and I do think given that we're rising it all does relate to one another. But at the same time, I think that it is important that we don't sit on this for too long because then you don't want to have to go through the whole process again because the information is outdated. We can advise the planning commission to take a look at it and come back to us expiry to time. I mean that's that's our discretion this town council. The important part is for you all to buy off on it so when it's there that we know that it's a document that in fact embraced. And if it's more time, then everyone understands that it's going to take more time, and that's fine. But if there's something that you all don't like, and we can start working on today, great. And if it's just a matter of, hey, if someone else can buy off on this first, then we can certainly get it on the agenda. That's where I believe sitting where I set in the gears of experience sitting here and all my experience with the comp plan. I think it's a I think it's a necessary direction. I haven't heard but you well I think I think we're hitting the marks here. I mean we, these are the improvements that we need to have happen over the next, you know, maybe it's 20 years. However long it takes. I mean, I think the key to this is that we've identified those kind of problem places. So to me, it's like, OK, this is the direction that we want to go. Are we getting there in the right way? So the real question is, are we okay with a flashing light when the pedestrians cross? I mean, I think that's kind of where you're going to this round. Well, yes and no. The question becomes one, you have a policy on night light. And this town is this plan in the spirit. In concert. With that type of an ordinance. I don't know. I think it's a challenge when it comes to safety. I mean, I think we're all of the mind we don't want these stoplights in town. So this is getting pretty close to a stoplight. But what's the breaking point? What's the tipping point? If safety is the issue and we're really concerned about pedestrians getting across the street and the answer is an amber light when those pedestrians are there, we're really concerned about pedestrians getting across the street and the answer is an amber light when those pedestrians are there. We're going to have to make some concessions between the rural and the urban feel. Agreed. I agree with you there. I don't argue there is the amber light, the two blinky or the four blinky, the red solution, or it is the street lights, and that crosswalk thing, adequate. Does that surprise? I'm just thinking about, you come up brush for week, and you have four of these things going off. That's a lot. It also means you have a lot of people walking, which is a good thing. I would like to see that problem. Yeah, that's that's my point. That would be a great problem. I mean, honestly, the lights, I mean, coming on a husband and if you're coming down Main Street and you see them down here by the old Mace's, Mace's Thorpecary and you see them lights blinking and you're in a distance, you know there's a pedestrian. And they're not on that long. It's not like we're violating the night sky. So it makes a big difference. I mean, I think that's important. That's a big safety thing. I think you've got the, okay. So it's the fact that the comp plan has always been the document, the guides are, and what I'm hearing this council say it's really not important well I don't think I'm not saying that at all I think it is important I just think that you have to I mean you have to look at what's happening in the community and maybe it's changing and maybe more people are walking and maybe there's more families and there's more kids crossing the street or whatever it is. And yes, you should look at them in concert especially because the plant is coming up anyways. I mean, I don't want to like violate it or go against it, but I do think in my opinion, when I come into Aspen and I cross the bridge and that thing is going off at eighth street, I know there's a pedestrian crossing. Well, the point is, I'm not going to argue with you, Alyssa, about that. I'm just saying it would be wise on our behalf to send this over to the Planning Commission. Have them to take a look at it. I think because some of us sitting on this council have not been through a planned process. And that is a mind draining process in this town and takes more than one year to get done quite frankly. So there was a lot of thought put into that. So if we want to say, you know, we're going to go ahead and do this and I don't want you to see conflict down the pike with what comes out of the comp plan and this document which town approves and then the people say what in the heck with town council thinking. So I'm flying with a safety argument, absolutely. I mean I think it should, I don't disagree that the planning commission shouldn't look at it. I mean I do think that, you know, I think that's fine. But I do think that this document should also help drive the comp plan. And vice versa. Right. So, I mean, what we're trying to get at in this study is going to help lay out the comp plan. OK, here goes. So I would suggest back to what Billy is saying. This is a document that is supported by the town council at this time. The preliminary review of the document. However, in the context of the comprehensive plan and the role that the Planning Commission plays within our community. It would be helpful for them to advise council as to do they concur with the direction of the town council or do they see do they see concurred any conflict for us to proceed and to I'd like to see them come back within six weeks or four weeks. That's too many. I think that's a fair compromise. I agree. Yeah, I think we want to get as many eyeballs on this as we can. And if there's, you know, anything glaring, let's learn about it. But I think we're on the right path. I think this is where we need to go. I think we've identified the right intersection start with. And hopefully we can chip away at a lot of these other projects in the coming years. A question for the group. Do we want to proceed with the work down at Townheart station? I don't think that the comp plan would find that in conflict. That's the major intersection of concern. I have no problem with increasing the safety down there at the park center at all. Yeah, I don't think we should delay this wall, the planning commission review it. I think we could get that one started. Yeah, I mean, everyone knows it's dangerous as me who's almost hit. And I think just like we said several weeks ago, once we got that started, we might wind up with more public comment from from the public as they see something's going on down there. Where'd this come from? The people who didn't participate might start participating. So we'll work to get in front of the planning commission for the review, the right balls, make sure they can port with kind of your direction and your direction. At this point is you preliminary support it, but you want to make sure that other people have reviewed it and make sure it's in conformance. You got it. Is it possible to put in amber lights in a temporary fashion so that we could get public comment on I don't know that answer The work Walks my money in time Everything's possible. It's just a matter of money. Right. Okay. So that's the direction the money. Right. Okay. So that's the direction town staff. Next item. And thank you very much. I know how hard you work on this. David. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Madam Mayor, as long as David's sitting here, this next issue, this is not the one on the agenda, but we do have one quick item. I'd like to bring up before we get to the town goals. We've been requested to submit a letter support to the C dot for a flap grant, which stands for something I don't remember. Federal lands, access, program grant, thank you. In order to apply for $1.9 million from improvements at the intercept lot, both the city of Aspen and Picking County are submitting similar letters and they've asked us if we could provide a letter. And in support of the application, I think we received this on Friday and they have a very quick turnaround time. So I apologize for this short notice to you all, but the letters before you, and if you guys could approve sending this letter on, we can get it executed and it's part of the creative application. And just for some clarification, all these improvements recommended in this are suggested in this letter, are all things that you've reviewed in that regional parking plan discussion, which has been to each one of the jurisdictions that are members of the community. So just including the coffee shop in the free Wi-Fi not even. Well I hasn't quite gotten that far. It doesn't include bathrooms. It's got asphalt. It's trying to go for the bathroom. It's got water. It's got water. It's got lights and it has lights. Just start. I think that's a great start. It's a light. Call the shop next. Yeah, have you had much success with this grant in the past? No. It's pretty competitive. It's an attempt to just go and see if we came find some assistance from some of these other programs. And this one, the access to federal lands because ski area connection is a pretty big one we hope. There is where we are aware that there another project is the hanging lake project and that's a big one as well. That's a tough one to go up against. Yeah, but nothing ventured nothing game Yeah, absolutely All in support of the letter. Hi. Hi. I'm saying okay. It's good to go. I've got it signed. Thank you counsel Thank you. Okay. Next item is townholes. I Know we had talked about perhaps doing a retreat and Clinton I talked last week and got it might be just as good for us just to do this at a meeting tonight with a lighter agenda. So I'm going to have a format to go through, but we know it went ahead and I got to catch myself a couple of times. You know as you can tell from you know from this this last discussion you know a year ago in May We we you all identified one two three four five six seven different goals At some point recently you all said, hey, let's go ahead and review the goals and maybe even set another treat. I try to encourage that, let's review these goals because these are long-term. These are not things that are gonna be checkmarked off really quickly. And so a lot of these things we're making some progress on. I'll be happy to walk you through these. There's several of these we haven't even touched, and there's some of these that are really kind of more politically focused and we need your guys' direction on how to do it. So I might just take a few minutes to kind of walk through them and say, hey, is there something we need to be putting more focus on, or is there something you want more update on as we go through the upcoming budget process, is there's something that you all say, hey, this is something we really want to throw some dollars at and accelerate to do the, to accelerate, make sure that the goal statement is getting addressed appropriately. I would say that, you know, after we do have an election coming up in November, whenever assuming there's some turnover that we would sit down with the new council at that point and go through the same process again with the idea that, you know, some of these goals will probably stick and go through the new council. The new council probably have some new goals that they want to add or subtract or what not. So at a minimum these goal statements are at least two-year type goals and then obviously after every election, it would go through something similar to make sure that it's in fact reflective of what that sitting council wants to achieve. So I might just go through just a couple of these quick ones and I'm looking at the paper version of what you're looking at electronically. But if you remember this is the part that you said, hey, essentially you want to be a sticky juicy funky place, the people want to be a part of. We're going to do that. We've got these six goals identified. The first one was sustainability. It would remain an overarching principle that would guide the town's town projects. Very first out of the box was take steps to update the comprehensive plan. We're underway now. You've appropriated dollars in this year's budget. The planning commission was looking at the existing ordinance on how that the comp plan needs to be updated and they're going through that discussion now as to process. Next down, create parks, open space and trails plan. Obviously that's under way as well. I would say it's maybe a month or so, at least behind the CCP. We expect this week actually to get, I would call it a 40% plan draft, work that through the, well we work in that through the steering committee. And then the next three or, I would say three or four meetings at least, the council will start seeing updates on what the posters are saying or what it's not saying. After tonight's discussion, I would imagine we're going to have to work in some time to have the planning commission looking at it as well, just to make sure we have as many eyeballs on it as possible. But it's coming, it is through the data, what I would call the added collection process. We've got all of a lot of public input, and now we need to get the words on paper so people can make sure that what it's going to say is in fact reflective of the community values that ought to be. The next one is the economic sustainability, economically sustainable levels of town services. I think we've tackled this on a few different issues. I mean, you know, it's an overarching goal that we need to continue on in all our policies. But special events is one that we've tackled with this. We've tried to make sure that our policies in place are, in fact, you know, productive with the special events we've brought in the town. One, you know, a couple of policies we've changed when we provide the RAPDA service so that we can better provide our own internal service if we need to. And then the other one is the budget process when we've just gone ahead and simply done a transfer from the marketing fund to the general fund to cover the costs of all these events that we bring to town. So we don't have to try and argue between the departments about who's paying for what. We know that marketing's paying for it and we can provide the services that need to be provided. The natural environment is the next kind of goal down there, and I think that's to the mayor's point previously, hey, how do we make sure we balance that with the upcoming needs of the community? It's going to be a long, comprehensive discussion with us when I don't think there's any silver bullets, but with a million plus square feet approved of base village, I think there's going to be some discussions about, you know is what's natural what's urban I don't know if that's the right distinction but those are going to be discussions I'm assuming will be through that comp plan about what should this look like. You know when we talk about environmental sustainability I don't know if I've missed a meeting or if we have not had an update from EAB for quite a while or where are we with our co-plan for environmental sustainability. So they had this sustainability plan they brought before you maybe two months ago or so? I don't remember exactly when it was. I should remember that. Yeah, they had a PowerPoint, they had the board here. They had a list of about eight things. They were trying to tackle. And they're going through that list right now. I couldn't tell you exactly where they are. But I know they're trying to get some updates on those to come back to you before. But do we have a goal? Do we still have goals on our carbon footprint for the town? I thought we used to have. You haven't changed. You haven't changed. You haven't changed. So those still, those thresholds still hold. We may need an update. Don't hold me, but I think it was 20% reduction. Yeah, it was 20%. Yeah. That sound right, Dave? Carbon emissions? That's about right. With something like that. It was either 20 or 21. But that, I, that's the number that I'm familiar with. But I know that's where the EVA is familiar with. At least I assume that's what they're familiar with. But I don't have a direct update on that, on progress on that. OK. It's just a data point. I did have a conversation with a guy from PAL. He's very interested in getting us more involved. He said he would send me some more information. You know, I've signed on the climate reality project. I think that's another thing that we could get involved with. But all those parts and pieces as well as our percentages, I think they're good goals for the town. our percentages, I think they did. Good goals for the town. The next big goal identified by the council was take the necessary steps to improve the overall connectivity of the community. And I will read these three goals to you. And you guys can read them as easy as I can read them to you. But these are the efforts to cross brush creek. This is the effort to understand that we've got a multi-nobal community and to identify surface and soft surface trails. And really, I mean, these goals are what drove the CCP, and that's why you've got that plan before you. And so we're pretty far down that road. You have to make sure that it's, you know, it's a, it's in fact reflective of what we're aiming to do. That's in my mind the big issue with that. You know, the emotional connectivity in that last and that last issue, honestly, I think that's one of those harder ones. It's kind of a political process. How do we make sure that people are invested in the community? You know, we've done some small things. We did an 81615 event at the Rec Center. We've done, you know, some other small things to make sure that we're trying to build it. There's in a concert, of course, all those kinds of issues. But that's the stuff that we would love some direction on you guys is where else should we be investing? What is it that we ought to be doing? I'm going to harken back just to the the comp plan. I think one of those big discussions, a big data point and that's going to be right now that the vision statement of the comp plan says, you know, we need to be a sustainable mountain resort community. And I think, is it not a, the pardon me. I learned. There's two meetings, so four hours of conversation, neighbors is the pardon me. But I think there's going to be a lot of that discussion, you know, what's community, what's resort, what's really the driving part of that. And I say that after following the last planning commission, I know that that came up is, hey, it's the classic discussion of my 18 months of her plenty of time to resort or community. And I think that's going to be a great discussion to have. And this could be help us make some of these decisions on where infrastructure gets invested in for who. And again, this is stuff that we're going to be looking to you all as you like to help drive and provide the feedback on. The next one, the capital needs and strategic improvements of infrastructure, obviously the CIP is something that we started last year. And with this upcoming budget process, our goal is to have a, I'm going to call it a constrained plan, a five-year plan that we can, we can afford to do. And we're going to have plenty of projects going to be outside that constrained number that you guys will be identified for in the CCPs, a good example. We'll have lots of trails that we've identified that we know we can't afford in five years. And the idea is when we do this, as you guys can help prioritize, hey, where should we be investing our dollars? Project A, Project B, road, trail, building, whatever kind of needs that you all think we need. Can you refresh my memory? When does the Drowstein property and the tax is at in 17? the Drowstein property and the tax. Is that in 17? Through 17. Okay. Because we have a lot on the plate here in terms of capital, particularly connectivity. The tax ends as well. So we have to be an election team. Yeah. Extended, repurposed or unknowable. Yeah. Okay. It's just another data point. Yeah. Physical assets. One thing I'll point out with that second goal. We want to evaluate them. This is a little off topic. One of the ways that we're doing that right now is we've repunked. We're putting investing a lot of dollars into a GIS system or geographic information systems, which is a tool that is going to be exceptionally helpful for us going forward. It's taking some time to get off the ground, we're putting a lot of effort into it, but going forward it's going to be a tool that's going to be great for us. And I just use that as an example of some of these assets that we need to be better identifying and once we've got that we can create the mapping structures to say hey, how are we identifying these opportunities and whatnot. The school site, we still, what exactly is the school site down in the pasture? Yes, that's what that's what that's what's so everybody. It's not hours is it? Yeah, it's not. It's you've domestically referred to as a school site that does not really bear any relation to the restrictions on the use but yeah I think it's about 11 acres. about 11 acres. You'll recall that the Country Day School came to you for permission to include it in an application which was denied and as part of their initial due diligence on the property they've discovered that there's some weapons in the area too that may make it more constrained than a raw pasture with eleven acres. But it's called the school site because during in the early 90s when the very early 90s when horse ranch was approved the school district was talking about a facility of some sort there and it just started getting calls at you but it's not restricted to a school. Is that law actually right there next to the road it's further up in the past year? Oh it's up in the draw. Not you know the the but the kind of divides the private or the single family not above the crossings there's the metal on the right that goes that the trails and the tack house that big curve around it's kind of directly across the beginning. It's almost directly across from the crossings and it's tucked in that draw there and then as it comes down to the bottom there's a shape that's kind of like this if this is the mount is coming down into it three little fingers of wellons so. So there's some real rudimentary access to it at this point that basically the animal control officer's use to get in there. But it doesn't know. Okay. Do you want me to keep going through these? Or do you want to? We'll just ask questions as we go. So, housing, you know, we had Joe in a while back to kind of go through our existing process. This is one that I'm assuming will be a major component of the comp plan coming forward. You know, we're continuing forward with the process. We've got a couple of projects underway that I know the council is aware of. So you've identified it as a necessity. There is a need to continue forward. It is an important asset for the community. And we're making sure that we're taking advantage of opportunities as they present themselves, similar to what you guys did today. The economic development strategy, this is one that's a little more slow moving. You know, public private partnerships. There's a couple of opportunities out there. The most obvious one, the point, too, is our events, is our event project. We no longer produce events in house. We bring other people in for our large events. And those are public private partnerships. We'll use tax dollars to bring in the wonder less the tough mothers to whoever else. So that's a start to the effort. It's been going on for some time, obviously. But now it's our opportunity to continue to look at those. Building six will be another one of those. I'm sure, depending on who, how that all comes out, but those are public private partnerships, so we'll continue to look at. You know, and then of course, the method to improve the vitality of the West Village, the mall, I absolutely expect that will be a significant discussion in the comp plan coming up. You know, the questions about redevelopment, and how do you want to support it, or how do you not want to support it and heights and densities and Bolks and masks and use of the parking lots and all those types of issues with transit or any development or whatnot. Scooching on down the communication, I think we continue to make progress on the communication effort. We've changed the way we've done some of our outreach. We've increased a lot of the wiki maps and whatnot through the public processes for the different planning efforts we've got going on. So I think we're doing that. I think we've done a pretty fair job of working with this key company, Anderson Ranch, and other governments on a lot of these efforts. You know, tonight's getting this letter support off as an example of we're trying to make sure we're engaged with all those local governments. And then the finally, the, you know, a tough one was that last goal was, you know, preserving a sustain in the town's iconic treasures or undertaking a pragmatic examination of those treasures. You know, I think we've made some decisions on some of these issues, whether we did it a pragmatic examination. I'll let you guys determine that. But, you know, we definitely, with Criblinic, we got into a long-term lease agreement with JAS. We got into a funding agreement. It seems to be somewhat sustainable. Snowmass discoverers ongoing. So I think we're making some progress on them, whether it's pragmatic examination. Not what you guys tell me if it is that or not. So I mean, that's really an update. And I think my big message is a lot of these goals are big goals that are going to take some time. And as long as you're comfortable with this continuing down this path and checking in, I think, you know, that's how we develop the budget. We look at these, how do we attack all these, what is it we ought to be doing. And then when we start scheduling meetings, we want to make sure that we're doing it in such ways that are tackling these issues for you. You know, with the roundabouts coming up and stuff like that, I'd like to see some of the boards and a little bit more participation from some of the volunteer boards like the advisory board in regards to some of our roundabouts. Would we like to have a little maston as a brand? And you travel around the state, you see these beautiful roundabouts from going over to anywhere. If you're down in Denver or if you're in Frisco or wherever. I mean, I don't think we're talking a lot of money. Everybody talked about the brand. The brand being not to give up the brand, the mastodon, and maybe maybe we need a couple of those in some of these roundabouts that are coming up. That also gets into something that some of us are aware of, and that's the Snowmass Community Foundation, that I don't even know if Stan is still president of that or who is I don't know do people know about it because it's a wonderful opportunity for public art. Absolutely. And you know there's some people within the town who have the capacity that would like to help but you know it's I think there's a ways. That's what I'm saying. We have listed here as one of the goals to engage some of the town boards and commissions. And I don't know how we could use that word, right, primatic, to do this, to bring them, to make them aware that we're, you know, we'd want to hear from them. Yeah, and if you got all these boards, they're all advisory boards to you all. So, if you'd like reports or whatnot, we can schedule those things. The big thing for the sob that you all did is if you remember you put dollars in the budget for a strategic plan, I know they've got that, they've hired a consultant, they've got that going in a way. I know a lot of them or several of them are going to Carvindale this week for the creative industry's conference. And you just added a new member tonight. So I know it's as active as it's been in a while, but we could certainly find out what the project is without. What you guys feel about it, but I mean mean we have these possibly three roundabouts going in in the next several years and you know we have around about down here at the entrance also and we have an opportunity to to make a statement to put and to put our brand down and maybe we need to we need to let our boards know that you know we'll look open for suggestions. I agree. I think it would be great if we had that type of branding throughout the village and we have those locations identified for our throughout the village and I think those are great places for Massive Ones, Wyson. Or even the Natural Landscape. Some beautiful stuff about the Natural Landscape. some of the town boards and commissions on regards to some of their feedback and what what their feelings are. Well, Tom, your point is so well taken. I've heard from various people in the community who, you know, people don't want to give money just to a town for a project that they can do. And I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I'm going to do. I think that's what I heard from various people in the community who, you know, people don't want to give money just to a town for a project. The question is, how can they fund the other money into a foundation that in turn has a defined purpose, a designated or restricted purpose? So perhaps, I think there's a variety of conversations that might occur that we could initiate. Yeah absolutely. I think the trails they've done a great job and the Ted before he left pretty well has the trails lined up. That's got a dial man. And I think we have a real clear path going forward. I'm not real close with the rodeo. I'd like to know what their plans are. Be good to hear from them. They'll be coming right before the usually come the month before when Darcy gets into town. To do a whole What game plan is for the summer? Great. I mean, I wasn't, I didn't have a big PowerPoint presentation. I just wanted to touch base with you and make sure that we didn't want to schedule a retreat. I know it was talked about and I just think at this point, if these goals stay in the right direction, we'll keep working through them as we can. Well, I think the biggest nut to crack on here is housing. Yes. You know, 10 years, 20, 30. Bokes up the rodeo place and all of our employee housing and all of our policies and where are we in Picking County? And there's some stuff going on there, but it's like chicken and egg. And some people don't think it's important. But it's very, very important that we begin to get into conversation because that problem's not going to be resolved on aging place for another 10 years of way things are going And I don't know Clint. They think I've had the conversation with Joe Possibly looking into the one project think You know over there and I'd like to see that pursued a little more and That property that's for sale over there at the bottom by lot one and We talk about and well everybody knows I'm talking about yeah council some to that yeah we call that building carriageway carriageway right but the opportunity the opportunity because of the lot one being there and it just has so much potential and that's why I mean we're we're looking at now, and you guys are aware that we don't have any dollars identified for it. But our first step is to undertake a physical look. And I think that's scheduled next year with a professional building inspector to go in there and do the whole evaluation of the project. And assuming it comes back relatively acceptable, we'll come back to you with a funding plan. And again, I think that's a good example of you guys set us a priority. You didn't give us specifics. You didn't say, go look at this. You didn't mean the opportunity came up. We knew it was a priority for the council. And that's how we're tackling it. You see, the idea would be, honestly, get the property first and identify the project second because once you have it you can figure out all sorts of opportunities You have to have a reason bone willing seller all those things yes certain you have to evaluate the best yes and But the goal is we know it's important so we're going down that path of examination and it's easy for us to say Let's go look at it because you guys have told me this is an important project housing that is and this is an opportunity for us to say let's go look at it because you guys have told me this is an important project housing that is and this is an opportunity for us to get on. You'll have an opportunity to rate its importance once you see the price. $300. We've been down that path before. Yeah, we've been down that path. We'll see. Any other comments on this? I don't see anything that's really missing. There's nothing glaring. I think that we're pretty well on task care. Let's see. I think see. Pull up one thing. All these little agenda item things that we have. And of course, I don't know what it is. All these, you know, the draft the 2016 agenda items that's in our packet. It might be helpful to our next meeting. You go through and say this is still important or it's not important. Take it off the list. This list that Clint, you and I went through the other day. And maybe we do that at our next meeting. Kind of refresh. But I don't even take you one step further is I would love it if you guys could say let's start putting some of these on this. Yeah, that's exactly right. And that way we can get them some ideas scheduled out and it gives us some time to get the projects, you know, some presentation ready for you and what not. Well, you know, right there that I'm always interested Now that summer is coming as the BRBO update From cash that's now a year and a half old. You get the update sure And the electronic message board can we line that up over the next few weeks just an example When I the short answer is we're having a really difficult time getting that lined up well Okay, they can they can plop the TV on top of the rail like today, but that's not going to give you the visual that, and so to define someone that will put it in the way it would look, I would over find it if we might just have to buy them and then if it works great, if it doesn't, find another use form kind of thing. So by the way, the trench that's out here and alongside the new ground about, is that a cement wall going in? Is that? Hello, the. That's or the utilities. Yeah. Well, is that cement? The trench right here. Right. That's utilities. That's for suing for a while. Okay, so we can wait a time. It's still be parking available. In fact, we're going to pave over it and actually have a more parking. But then there is a wall going down. But I knew that was a wall, but I wasn't sure where that wall was. I mean, that's what they're building the stem wall right now. I haven't been done with it. It sure looks like they're moving really, really well with it. David, how do you think? I mean, you see it every day going up. Yeah. And they're making forward progress and they change the original scheduling to try and maximize efficiency. Yeah. So they're rolling up a comment on the construction management plan. The only other thing that popped out to me on this agenda was the leaf yard waste collection policies. Yes. Before we get into summertime and here we go again. It was not summer's fall. That's just fall but we're already spring. It's clean. That one. See that one slip. No, we, yes. It's very much summer as well. Do we have on the May 16th, by the way, I'm going to be out of that meeting, but we don't have anything about the town cleanup on there. Do we? It's starting for what? The 20th? Is it the 20th? I believe so. I think we need to make a bigger issue of it. Well, yeah, we'll start getting the notes out and we'll get the banner up and I don't know where the banner is up. Is it up already? The banner went up today and I assume we're doing the barbecue. We're going to change it up this year. We're going to really focus on getting the town lots, the number of lots cleaned up. In order to kind of have a little variety, we're going to actually work with tasteers and the bayou and have the meals down in the restaurants, kind of support the local business. Up on bank has said that they like that idea, so they're one of their primary sponsors. So we'll be, we'll do something similar. We're going to try and get a focused improvement on the number of lots. We'll still go down brush creek, we'll still go down Ell Creek. We'll get other other spots to clean up but instead of having a Party in the parking lot or a party at the Rec Center. It's gonna be those two restaurants. Oh No, that The hamburgers They're not this year I know we're coordinating I know we're trying to work with the restaurants to get pricing. I don't know where we are. That's great. I don't have problems with this communication. Also two on that day, there's no school K through six grade. So it might, I mean, maybe we could somehow think of a creative way to get kids more involved in it because there's no school. You never find some most interesting piece of trash. Yeah, let me tell you this, because stuff you find. But I just think that maybe, you know, because that's, I mean, that's, it could be a bunch of kids and maybe just putting it out there so parents know, come with the kids and I don't know, maybe gear something a little bit towards kids. I mean I know sometimes there are kids that come but I think on that day specifically there could be a bunch because that. So just FYI. I think it'd be great to have some high school kids. Well they're in school. It's only K through six. Because it's assessments. But some teachers don't, you know, call people in for assessments, and even if you'll do it's only like a 20-minute thing. So I'm saying it's up to speed. Okay. You know, there's no school. So... Okay. Anything else? Okay, anything else? Okay, can reports? Melissa, let's start at your... Um, nope. I have a Northwest Cog meeting, but not to the end of the month. I've been hanging out out over at the Viceroy and... I'm so thankful for doing that. And they're working on it. I guess Clint could give me more of an update. Yeah. There's a stench. Stinks. I was down there with a wigie. Yeah, it's bad from where it comes out of the drain until it hits the creek and starts to dissipate and then it's in our stormwater system. So it would be great if we could get it taken care of and hopefully we'll find out in the next 20 days after the next test come back, sounds like that last letter that we got from kit sounded like the testing that they're doing is showing fecal chloroform. Some, but I've got a phone call and it's, I don't know my biological terms, but there's certainly chloroform in both, which is naturally occurring. The level of fecal is what I need to understand. The last I understood is that it wasn't anything beyond the acceptable limits. That's the part that I couldn't tell you tonight. I got a phone call in to get me and I'm going to talk about where we are with those limits. No matter what, there is an order that is not acceptable, that we're working on ways to rectify. If there's pollution, it's really easy for us. We get to them both the law and say, fix it. If it's organic and it's not necessarily, I would just going to use the word pollution generally. It's going to be a little harder to enforce. But those are the things we're working on right now to figure out what is it, what is it's causing the odor and how to re-reptify it. And I mean, we loosely, how do they rectify it, I should say. I mean, it's in the town is responsible for the enforcement. It's not water and sand. Correct. Yeah it's not a it's not a septor it's not a sewage issue it's a stormwater issue which is our which is our authority. Are you anyone want to build a sidewalk along there right now? There is one there. I but yeah but it's a real pleasant experience. The guy's building the room outer, talking about it. Oh yeah. Really? Yeah, the odor, depending on where the winds are, and the temperatures, it can be all the way up about the withridge, or above the with road bridge. Wow. Well, I haven't walked up there lately, but I mean, I'm still doing everything they can. And I know years ago, it used to be that little stream coming down from the mountain dragon, was the same way. It took a long time to identify where that came from, a long, long time. Somewhere along the line, and the condos on the way up, somebody's dumping the remodel and tied into a roof drain instead of a sewer line. It'll doubt my mind. I've seen plumbers do it, so it's a mistake made not necessarily on purpose, but it's got to be identified. They've done it with dye. I don't know if they've used dye yet. The first thing is they're testing the outflow to find out what even the source of it is and I hope that will direct where the next step is after that. Other than that I have nothing on the report was. I don't have anything at all. So that was the problem back then with the mountain graph. Back then it was. It was one of the, they started using some dye and then they started using some dye in some of the roof drains, I don't even remember which condos it was, it was way up. Somewhere along the line something, some color came out from one of the roof drains and came out from the roof drains through one of the remodel bathrooms. Somebody tied in a bathroom and to a roof drain. And obviously didn't happen all the time. It's just when the capacity of that particular condo was filled, but that unit was filled. That bathroom was being used and it was just dumping into the stream. I know there's been a smell of other things that over there on assay hills as you come down through the ridge condos, come down that way and years passed. I know there's sewer drains up there. I mean, pre-bice row. Pre-bice row. But not what you're smelling now. This gives me meaning to o-difers. Okay, now that we've had a wonderful conversation about smells. Anything else goes gals Make a motion to a turn second Hi See you May 16th You won't be here and circus won't be here? We'll see you three May 16th. I'll be here. Bye.