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I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the here. Okay. I think the first topic on our agenda would be public comment. If anybody is out here who would like to make a Comment about an item that is not on our agenda for tonight please raise your hand or come up to the lectern and Let us know what's on your mind Okay, not seeing any we'll move on to draft agendas and work sessions. Do I have any emotion to accept? I have a motion to accept the draft agendas and minutes. I do have a change on January 4th minutes. I've got a comment from Pat Keifer of how she would like me to list the letter that was referenced that day. Okay. I've got a comment from Pat Keyfer of how she would like me to list the letter that was referenced that day. Okay. I've got a little sentence. I'm going to plug in there. I just got it on Friday. Okay. January 4th, you say? Yes. Where would that be under public comments? She wants me to list exactly what the letter was, not just that there was a letter submitted. Okay. Okay. I have a question on the minutes from last week, from the special meeting minutes were in this group of drafted drafted but not the work session minutes. No, I didn't get them finished. Okay, so they'll be forthcoming. Right, they're still there's very good. They need to be, they need to be proofread and I didn't have anybody through freedom by the time of the pandemic. So. Okay. Um, this, you know, we're going to do minutes from the work session. We don't do minutes from work session. There's minutes from the work session. We don't do minutes from work session. There's no formal actions. Oh, I'm sorry. I was going to take votes. You can't make motions. I was talking about June 6th. But shouldn't we have minutes so that we have an idea what we discuss? I mean, the work session is about discussion. Even though, right, it's about the insurement. There's no action. No, I understand that. But if we want to refer back, if we want to refer back, if we have a need to refer back to a work session, how can we do it? Well, I don't think that's kind of the idea of it's a discussion. And so you're not looking, you're referring back, you're looking to what was the ultimate. Let me start off with this one. If you'd like to, we can stuff. Yeah, I understand. But let me then just say, I mean, I think the idea is it's a discussion. And there's not, you don't get to refer you know, your comment, the not Councillor Schinx comment or something, and that would be my concern. If there was an action note, it's like we would expect AB and C done. I think some kind of basic note taking would be okay, but I wouldn't, I'd hate to, you know, have it be a record of everything because it's not a good one. So, I mean essentially at this point, the way we are now, work sessions rely on each of us taking our own notes and referring to them as we each feel is necessary. Right, and then I would take direction, you know, you can certainly understand the census and council and those kind of things. Yeah, but it's not a vote and said here, go get the stuff. I don't need anything. The whole council, Lurus? Anybody have any, any opinion? One way or the other? Well, I take really good notes, so. You know, the work sessions is documented in regards to what we what we want to go over to begin with So there's something in the packet We do and we do record them so there is a record if you ever needed to go back Okay, but we when we start of these we said hey, we won't be taking minutes We won't be televising if you want to switch gears. That's fine But at that point and I'm going off recollection. Yeah, I I get you. I just remember we said, well, record them. And if we ever needed to go back, but we haven't taken minutes and trying to correct me if I'm wrong, we haven't. You are completely entirely right. Well, fine. I will rely on my minutes. I mean, I mean, my own notes. You know what I can do. Or listen. Or listen. Yeah, listen. Or listen. I can send our notes to everybody. Do you have any thoughts, Phil? I think that it goes in the same vein of not recording them for television. I think it's a work session is truly just that. Okay. Again, some of those topics that were on there or the EOT set up to prep and that was taken off. So they were highlighted in regards to what our topics were going to be when we started the work session. So I'll rely on Alyssa's notes also. Okay. I'm not in trouble if I'm not here. Do I hear a motion to accept the consent agenda? Make a motion to accept the draft agenda. The consent agenda. The consent agenda, excuse me. I'll second. OK. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? OK. Moving on. So next is public hearing to discuss the state of the comprehensive plan. So first thing I do, John, I need to open the public hearing. That would be a good idea. Julie Ann, would you like to start us off please? Sure. Okay. Tom, Council of this shouldn't come as a surprise. You had a joint work session with the Planning Commission a couple weeks ago to hear from the Planning Commission about the state of the comprehensive plan in that report that they presented to you Was a simple statement that said the planning commission has reviewed the 2010 comprehensive comprehensive plan and recommends that the plan be amended to allow a full review and update to better reflect the vision and values of the community Can I just put a time out there for a second? You know, I must have read that statement a dozen times this in the past two weeks. And it seems to me that things are in reverse order. Because as I read it, it's suggesting that the complaint be it's suggesting that the complaint be amended but that the review be done afterwards. Don't we do the review first and then from the review determine what and if we want to amend the complaint. Just saying. I mean, there are some people from the Planning Commission here, so I don't know how that wording came about, but it seems to me the review comes before the amendments, the proposed amendments. And that's what the Planning Commission did. The Planning Commission did a review of the comp plan back in 2013. They presented a series of suggested changes to the town council at that point in time. For whatever reason, there was no action, final action on council from council at that time. Back in April, I believe it was, we began looking at the comprehensive plan again. And there was a we went back to the 2013 comments that the planning commission had drafted. And reviewed those. We had a lot of discussion about where we're at and the commission concluded that we probably needed to look at an update to the plan more comprehensively rather than just picking and choosing certain small changes here and there. And so that was what they wanted to put forward to you as a recommendation. So yeah, as I understand it, as I understand it, the planning commission feels that a broader review of the comp plan is necessary at this time, and that based on that broader review, it is anticipated that it will be amendments proposed to the comp plan. Correct, right? Yes. But I don't think the statement, there will be amendments proposed to the comp plan. Correct. Right? Yes. But I don't think the statement, I guess I understand what the purpose is. Okay. I understand what the purpose is. I guess I just don't think the statement reflects the purpose. Okay. Okay. That's all. So the part that you don't understand, so I understand is that that recommends that the plan be amended to allow a full review. Correct? Yeah. So. Right. In other words, you're amending. I don't think we're amending the plan right now. No. Right? No. So by saying we're amending the plan for a review implies or says that we're amending the plan but we're not I mean the resolution before you says to begin an amendment to the comprehensive plan Look at section one line 29 of the resolution That's that you guys are considering as a council tonight The planning commission recommended that you do a thorough review. I'm paraphrasing and then the resolution before receiving the consideration to write in an amendment to the comprehensive plan. And that, it's an amendment process, however, you want to coin that. But the idea is if you guys, after you take your public testimony this evening, if you pass this resolution, you would start. We would put somebody on the board. I mean, I realize I'm talking about semantics here. And I don't really want to, I don't feel there's a need to go and take more time discussing the semantics as long as the statement that we're amending the comprehensive plan before the review is not what's really happening. I think it's yes. I understood that we're starting the process. We're hopefully directing us to start the process. So, all right. Again, I just feel I need to get that out on the table and that, see, you were talking about section one, Clint, right? On the council resolution. So, in direct staff to begin an amendment, on the council resolution. So in direct staff to begin an amendment, I think we're directing staff to begin a review myself. Okay, I mean, you're correct. It's semantics and we're saying the same thing, and if you wanna change the word, the direction's the same, we'll take it. Well, my preference would be to change that to review. But again, I'm on a four. I'm fine with changing it. I don't think it's a big deal if you want to change it because it seems like the planning board and staff are all on the same page with this in the first place. So if you feel more comfortable, I don't think it makes a difference to them if you want to change the place. No, I don't think it does. Although I do see Doug and Jamie shaking their heads up and down. So yeah, I kind of take that as like maybe that's what they meant. It really should be wearing the Planning Commission has reviewed the comp plan and recommends a full review and update to reflect the better views of the community and amend accordingly. Yeah, and the warehouses, right? Anyway, so I guess can we just make those changes and I think there's one online 18 And then again online 29 I mean those are the two that I picked up Just just to be clear our intention is to not to continue to spend a lot of time on this document, but to begin the bigger broader discussion of this document being this. A 2010 comp plan. Okay. Whoa, wait a minute. Hold on. No, that's not what I thought we were using the 2010 comp plan as the basis for any change that we're going to make. I mean, we have to look, we have to use that, in my opinion, we've got to use that as it's the starting point. As the starting point. It's where we are today. It's the plan that's adopted, but the re-templet, I mean, it's sectioned out differently that I think that, I mean, the planning commission talked about how the sections might need to be differentiated and changed and melded together. There's some formatting issues, there's some broader topics that need to be addressed differently, but it is, it's a starting point for sure, And then we'd go through it with the discussion of the broad. Yeah, as long as we're all in agreement that it's the starting point. I mean, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So the changes that we've been emailed. From 2013. From 2013. Yeah. Right. And looking at the policies, over the weekend, I was trying to match the policies with the 2010 comp plan and it had a hard time pinpointing all of the policies. And I know we were looking into having a professional organization help us with this, through the allowance, the financial allowance that we talked about several weeks ago. And are we going to take the recommendations and sit down with these people, or we're just gonna wait for them to come up with their own. So what my point is, did we waste our time on this? The 13, that information from 2013. That information along with a number of other planning documents. The EAB sustainability plan that you'll see later on tonight. Hopefully the poster plan will be adopted at some point. Hopefully the CCP. All those kinds of plans that have been adopted, considered by the council, will be provided to the firm that's in as background information. And then they'll be going out and asking the community a large, hopefully a steering committee if that's the setting that's the topic of. And everybody starts providing that input and starts developing and redeveloping or addressing the existing plan and changes that may or may not be needed. But that's along with the answer. Those recommendations that you've got before you that were done in 13, I would assume would be part of that information that says, here's something the Planning Commission considered in 13 for whatever reason the council didn't end up adopting, but it's background information for you. Okay. Okay. Okay. So now that we're all through with that part, is there anyone from the public who would like to make a comment? I should really finish. Oh, did you finish? The bottom line is you need to have a public hearing. Right. And there are some planning commissioners who are here who might have. Okay. I'm hearing, and there are some planning commissioners who are here who might have and do I also understand that we should consider approval of resolution 25 series of 2016. That's a recommendation yes. As noted with changes. Right. With changes. OK. So the public hearing is open. Would anyone like to make a comment? Don't know, jump it once. People might be weighted in traffic. Hi. I will just make it. Thanks, Jamie. Please introduce yourself. Yes. I'm Jamie Nolton on the Planning Commission Chair. I will just make. Thanks, Jamie. Please introduce yourself. Yes. Jamie Nolton on the Planning Commission chair. And the whole reason we're here is because the Planning Commission thought it was a good idea to review the comprehensive plan. OK. I don't think it was ever decided it was going to be a full review or partial. That was something that was going to be discovered as we got into the plan. We just needed to start the process. So, okay, I appreciate your worth smithing that argument. We'll, I mean, now our resolution, I will be much better at it. I'm making that clearer next time. So, by where, I guess we're headed for a joint process. Right. As we discussed a couple of weeks ago. That's correct. OK. So I'm all in favor of it. OK. Thank you. Anyone else? OK. Any further discussion from the Council on Resolution 25? Do you want to go through it? We can go through it. Well, it's rather short, so it's not a lot to go through. All right, let's look at the first page. Anybody have any other comments? Questions? No. What is it? Bill? Okay, and the second page is not much more than a signature. So I'm gonna make a motion to approve the resolution of a 25 series of 2016. Thanks. Do I have a second? We can I ask a question really quick? So that language under section one you want to change to amendment to review? Yeah, on line 29. Okay, that one's getting changed. Okay. Sorry. And line 18 and and line 18. Did we get a second? Okay. Thank you. And just to be sure the amendment is the motion was to adopt the resolution as a man as a manging the word from a amendment to right. Okay, we have a motion and a second. All in favor. I and he posed no. So that is done. Now I John I close the my closing this or so I'm closing the public hearing. Thank you, Jamie and thank you Doug for coming as well. Next, nice. Thank you. So next. Okay, next Next Okay, next up is the EAB sustainability update Travis this is your baby It is. Okay. So for the record, I'm Travis Elliott, and I help out the EAB as the staff liaison. As you can see, Debbie Shore is also here, who is the Environmental Advisory Board Chair. And we are here tonight to deliver kind of a brief update to the sustainability plan, which you folks last saw in November. In November, the AB delivered a more comprehensive update to the Sustainability Plan, which was also included in the packet. And the purpose for tonight was just kind of check in and update the council on the progress made on the three priorities that the AB has been working on since that last meeting. Those three things, we're gonna talk about in more detail here in a minute, but those three things were an update on the town, carbon emission inventory, implementing new green special event requirements, and then conducting a reusable bag study. So with that, I am going to turn it over to Debbie to talk about each of those things, kind of the progress that has been made in the discussion to this point. Thanks for having us on the agenda today. We are expecting core to complete or give us a draft on the carbon emission inventory in July. So you will hear back from us after that. So we're still working on that. They did come to the meeting and Sarah grew and yes. And so that's still in progress. I have to say, Travis, put this wonderful green event guideline together for us. And this came out of some very well organized conversations and he worked us through the process and has created really what we think is a very user-friendly guideline for green events. We think this is the first step towards, step towards perhaps an eventual requirement for events in the town, but we don't think the town is ready yet to have mandatory recycling for events. But we are trying to encourage people to bring up the awareness of the event coordinators and try to get as much voluntary participation as we can. Is this a good time to talk about what's going on with recycling ambassadors? A program we started last summer to do recycling at the free concerts and different groups each week participate as volunteers to help inform people about what can be recycled. I think it has become more of just a visibility of the volunteers and their lime green t-shirts and more than anything at the close of the night trying to help get as much recycling into the bins as we can as people leave. And I know that further bins are being purchased, I believe. And moving into composting bins as well as kind of a trial to have side-by-side recycling and composting. Also through a cooperative effort of the town, the rodeo association, the ski company and core, we've been able to place in order for 20 recycling bins for the rodeo. So the rodeo is doing recycling, and that came out of a volunteer effort on the part of a couple of high school young ladies, Elizabeth DeWedder and Annabalinsky began it and Elizabeth DeWedder saw it all the way through last summer and with a resulting reduction in the waste stream of approximately 45%. So I think that's pretty significant. And that is continuing this summer with some high school volunteers along with the cooperation of the catering company there. And me. So that brings us to the reusable bag study unless anybody has any questions so far. Or did you want to run through this? It's up to Debbie. It's totally up to you. If you want to go through the three prime areas and then we can circle back and individually, that's totally up to you. I will point out that as for the admission inventory, Core has agreed to come back to the council within a few months, do a more comprehensive update on that as well. We will be back with more information on the inventory. Okay. I could tell you that they're planning on, and I was just attended the last core meeting, June 13th, and we have a follow-up meeting on the 27th, and it was mentioned in the meeting. So cool. Plenty of that. And it's a comprehensive review from Snowmout to trucks. I don't know a ton about it. Court did come to the AB meeting and kind of give a brief update. They're also going to present a draft soon. So we'll have more information at that point. But I do believe so. Yeah. I think it's pretty easy. That's my recollection. Snowmout being one of the important pieces, I believe. And a certain number of buildings have been evaluated. I think obviously not everybody, every commercial building but a certain number of commercial buildings I think are included. So anything else? Okay. So, regarding reusable bags, at this point, the EAB has decided to partner with snowmess We are going to take these bags. We have some for you. They're quite attractive, I think, with four different summer and winter images on them. They're sturdy. But to me, what's important is that they are attractive. I think they serve a purpose of marketing as well as reducing our waste. And we are going to... Well, we're utilizing an existing stock, I've already had, so they have about 2,100. So it's kind of a unique opportunity that we have to partner with them as well as stakeholders in the community. We will, EABs can basically going to help distribute them to stakeholders like Clark's market and other businesses that regularly sell retail goods and make those available at cost to the community. So hopefully it's an easy and convenient as well as cheap alternatives to plastic single use bags. Do you know what the cost will be? About $2.50 we're thinking the cost is good. Yeah well it's 2.19 is their cost and so we're thinking 2.25, possibly we might swallow the 19 cents a bag because if you if when they get too expensive then I think it's hard hard to sell them but they are very nice bags and I think it's a kind of bag that people will take home. I think these will help get snowmage. And they're being packed. And bringing them to like, you know, when condos and like, I'm just going to say like the Crest would get their groceries pre-shopped and they arrive and there they are all sitting. Will they be sitting in their condos? You think these backs to be re-hope? And hopefully they could take home on their airplane with them or something like that. Exactly. So because of the recycling ambassador program, all the members of the EAB have already been making contact with various groups associated with the hotels, the ski company, even Anderson Ranch. And I think through those relationships we will be going back to those same people with the bags, the people that have been providing volunteers for the recycling ambassadors will be probably the first people that we will approach with the bags that includes the West and the Vice Roy. So the question, my other part being the question is I know Clark sells bags right now. And what did they charge for their bags? I don't know. We have been trying to meet with them. A couple members of the group have been trying to meet with them. A couple members of the group have been trying to meet with them. I wonder how we're going to, because I don't think they're $2.25. I think they're more like the $5 bag or something. Well, if they're a $5 bag, then they could sell these for $4. There's been some initial discussions in a lot of openness. So I think we've got a lot of opportunity to make something happen. Have you, the EAB, have you thought about when a retailer accepts the bags to sell, where they're going to sell them? Are they going to put them at the cash register? Are they going to put them someplace in the entryway? Or, you know, how are they going to go about providing, making their customer realize that the bag is there and to, as an alternative to, you know, just taking a plastic bag. We hope to sell these to the businesses and then it's up to them whether they want to resell them or provide them to their customers. And as far as physical location, is that what you mean? Yeah. They're right there by the checkout. Yeah. I think we certainly need to see that. Because right now I think if I remember Clark's, they sort of have it off to the side as you come in. Nobody's going to see it. You know, I mean, it's not a location. This becomes kind of a marketing thing where you're going to put it. So maybe the marketing department, Snowmassess tourism in the marketing department, might have some thoughts about the best way to move these things. Right. And I think there are different situations. You know, the grocery store is one situation. Well, yeah, everything's different. Retailers, that's a whole different situation. The lodges that presents a different scenario as well. So I always thought personally that the lodges should give them away and the lodges should have their name on them and the lodges should give them away. And they should go ahead and buy them and they should give them to their clients and use it as a marketing tool for themselves. Now you could do that in some fashion and incorporate marketing for the town as well. I think as we distribute these we'll be accepting ideas like that from the people who are dealing with the bags themselves. If they say, when you reprint these, we'd love to be part of it and have our name on it, then we'd be thrilled with that. That's something we initially planned and thought about, but the bags got very expensive. In $2.19 is a pretty high cost for a bag. That's a pretty fancy bag. It's a very fancy bag, but it will last. And the thing is you don't want a bag that isn't attractive because then people aren't really taking it with them. So it's hard to find that middle ground. I think this presents a great opportunity for us. I think it also, you know, creates a nice souvenir for somebody to go home with. A year playing when they got the extra ski jacket or whatever they think they're home with them. Exactly. And they've got their snowmast bag or in their own market back in Ohio or wherever they are. And they're from, Texas or so on. Yeah. So the other step that we think we can accomplish fairly soon, we hope to be able to do this. I believe the meeting has set up but has not taken place, is to get some signs out in the center that remind people to get their bags because I know personally, I have my bags in my trunk all the time, but I can't tell you how many times I walk into the store without them. So a sign that reminds me is very helpful to me, and we hope that we'll be helpful to other people. Another thought is bank, bag banks, where people would be able to return reusable bags and then pick them up as they need them. That's a little bit farther down the road. Could you explain a little bit how that works? I mean, I saw it obviously in the packet and I just didn't exactly get, couldn't get my head around how that would work. Well, you need a location. It needs to be by the grocery store. Maybe it's right inside the grocery store. And then I don't know how many bags you have in your car, but I have about 20. I don't need 20 bags. I never take 20 bags of groceries out of the grocery store. So I would turn in ten of them and leave them there for other people to use. So people take their own bag? It's like take a penny, leave a penny kind of at a convenience store. But how do you deal with the fact that bags are reusable? I don't know how many of us wash their bags periodically, but I doubt it's very many. How do you deal with that? I honestly don't know. I think for the people who live here, that will not be as big a concern as for our guests. Yes. I think that for our guests it will be a little bit maybe a little squeamish for them. I think the big issue for this bag is what's the approach going to be. And I think with the EAB saners, let's do this incremental improvement. You've been talking about it for a long time. Let's get something off the ball. See what it works. They found an opportunity with the 2000 existing bags. Really what they're saying is, let us go ahead and sell them the costs for a little less and probably $2 just for easy math and get something going. See how it works. And if it works great, the backdrop can work and may not work, but it's going to continue to evolve. But I think the big news is, we've talked about it for a long time. We're going to start doing this and we're going to see how well it goes forward and continue to make it happen. But this is just a question because this code of comes back to my statement, Clint, that you made while we were talking about the comp plan. And you said the EAB sustainability plan is going to become an auxiliary document, right? At what point does the council have to approve or modify or whatever EAB sustainability plan? I think the council at the time adopted the plan when it was put forward however many years ago. That council did adopt it and then we've been working through it since then. And then I mean so I think those councils when those plans come up adopt them for the comp plan just to kind of tie this back up. Well no back up because 2009 was before the most recent comp plan so theoretically in my head that EAAB sustainability plan for 2009 already in the comp plan. So, theoretically, you should be. Right. If you read the two, there's probably some gaps in there and there's some things that overlap. And I think what I was trying to say to these planning efforts, they become background for the comp plan. Yeah. And there's going to be a fundamental decision at some point when this research revised plan goes through, are these plans adopted as appendices? Are they basis that go into the meat of the product? Those are some big decisions that get made. And so what happens when something gets changed five years from now? Those are some of those kind of things that we'll get talked about through that compound process. Are we here tonight to review the sustainability report? I think this is simply an update. There's a plan adopted in 2009. You guys saw an update six months ago. There's a lot of changes. A lot of, six months ago, there's a fundamental change as you guys said, yep, that works. And tonight is, hey, look at all the work that's happened in the last six months on these three priorities that have been done. Okay. Okay. Okay. So there Okay. Okay. So there's no action, it's just really. No, I understand that. We're discussing portions of the sustainability plan that, I don't know, may need to be tweaked or may need to be explained a little more, is that kind of what we're supposed to, what we're here for? I mean, here obviously we're hearing a review. Tonight is, here's the advancements that have been made in six months. Here's the three areas that have been focused on and we're going to continue to, okay, those incremental improvements on these three types of issues. And the core is the next, likely the next big one, next big hurdle to go through. And it's going to take a little bit of time, a lot of cooperation. But this is the progress that's getting made. Okay. So, just follow up with Bob, saying, you know, I mean, there are so many similarities between the sustainability plan and the comp plan. When we start talking about the water, the solid waste, we start talking about renewable energy, they're all in there. So I just think we need to continue to put the sustainability plan with the study whoever that outside independent contract there is, to have them review, I'm going to say review both of them. Absolutely. You see how they could, it's more background information. It's all in here, what's right there, it's the same stuff. So except for the reusable bags. It's just a great idea. Debbie, I appreciate all the work your group has done. And really, I know that the beginnings of trying to move things forward can be kind of difficult to get momentum. And I hope that the bags provide some momentum and give us some baselines to work from going forward. I'm flipping through the packet here because I'm looking for the area on the on this you know recycling at At events I just want to ask a couple more questions about the bags. Oh, please do So on that list of the six things that you sort of outlined for the different options for the bags so right now you're kind of at number one and number two, the educational campaigns and the reusable bag giveaways. Right? Yes, are you in this? I'm in the matrix thing we was providing. It's the reusable bag policy evaluation matrix. No, I think she's looking at the scores. This guy, attachment. So none of those policies, I guess, were adopted word for word, or, you know, those aren't ideas that directly evolved into any projects. That kind of just kicked off the conversation for the EAB to evaluate the different possibilities and talk about this phased approach that kind of just described where we might start with some low hanging fruit that's easy to implement, but can have some significant impacts like the educational campaigns and reusable bag giveaways. And maybe later we can circle back and revisit some of those bigger policy decisions. Okay. So in terms of like the educational campaigns that include like the science saying did you remember your bags? Right whatever. Okay. That would be a big step along. I don't think people are accustomed to this in the places where they from where they have traveled. I just feel that we have a little different audience than if we were just a working town with no tourism. And I think we need to go incrementally into, if ever, into a charging for bags? Yeah. I mean, it's not that I think that there should be an olive bag man because I know it gets complicated. But I mean, I do think that, especially given the amount of tourists that are here, there's lots of things that don't seem that difficult that we could do, including going to the different lodges and, you know, having them have bags available, or if they're doing the shopping for people, you know, have them shop with those bags. I mean, I think there's a lot of people in this community who could use it as a good marketing tool, whether they be a realtor or a business owner, whatever it is. I mean, I definitely think that, those bags are the start of it, but I would think talking with the hotels and the different condos and all that stuff that, I mean, not to me is a big chunk of people. Like when I go to the grocery store at the highest part of the season and I see these people with their cards overflowing and there's just like 20 plastic bags I want to like cringe, you know, and they're getting picked up by their vice-委員. Well why doesn't the vice-委員 ban before they drop them off at the grocery store to go in the door, hand them 10 bags and say and then they can then return them back to the vice-委 once they unload their groceries. I mean I think that that could be really effective and not costly to the town because we're not paying for the bags, but we are kind of working with these different entities like the Viceroyer, whoever else has kitchens and stuff to be a little bit more proactive with that. Right. So. Yeah, I think that's part of the educational plan, right? Did you put the sign up up did you forget your bags? You know if they're if they're calling a Van to take them to the store. Oh, here's your bags or you know bring them back or we'll charge you put them on your Room or whatever the case is you know we can work through that but I think a lot of it is the education It's like hey, we are you know striving to be a sustainable community and this is one of the steps that we're taking. So I think this is a great move. You said the first 2100 were bags that were in stock? Yes. Tourism already had these made. Had these made. For an event or for something that had bad going on Yeah, just general merchandise giveaway and they have water bottles and Chains and stuff like that now it's part of it But I guess the minimum order is you know about 5,000 so since they've done their initial giveaways They're ready to put the put the rest to good use Yeah, I think 2100 is relatively small number. It's a good place to start, but I think it's a good start. It's a jumping off point so we can say, hey, we do have a program in place and this is how it works. You go to the store and says, would you like to add another $2 to your purchase for a bag? Add another two dollars to your you know your purchase to for a bag Just give him that option right right there so it's it becomes just part of the process My my friends sitting next to me counselor good at a very good idea. I'm dead serious Yeah, I know you are and I know and I think it's a really good idea Which is why I'm gonna throw it out there? Okay, what I said to Bob is, you know, why not award people that come and do public comment with a grocery bag or something? We want to get people to comment. We need to get people up to counseling. And you show up, you get some swag, and you get a bag. You go to Alpine Bank, you can take a piece of candy and you pay in the bill or whatever it is. You might as well get a bag if you wanted something to say up here at council. Okay, you will give 20. Is that an empty bag? It's empty, yes. And it's gonna be your choice of what you could get in it as you leave the room. Well, I mean, the tourism is the town. So we're talking about them like they're a third entity, but it's the town where it's us doing this. So we can we'll keep 50 back. We'll keep them right over there. I'm that's that's yours. Fine. All right. Give Jamie his back. You can start tonight. Jamie, you get to first. We'll work on that. Jamie, we just started with the band. Give us a chance. Any other questions or comments on the reusable bags study? No, but thank you, guys, for really kind of setting us up on the right track. I'd like to go back to the green special event requirements for a couple of minutes. So I guess my first question, Debbie, is what input did marketing have with EAB in establishing all these requirements and all this information? I mean, this is good information. I think the first thing to say is these aren't requirements. These are suggestions. That was the absolute biggest input for marketing in this process was these aren't requirements. These are suggestions. Yes. That was the absolute biggest input from marketing in this process was these can't be mandated to begin with. No, they're not mandated. I understand that. That was their fund amount. They're voluntary. But how many events have embraced the idea? I don't know what I answered. A lot of events are offering recycling. Please. Yeah. Hi Anne, thanks. Hi. Anne Martin's Public Works Director. So this actually started about two, three years ago that we had guidelines and we kind of went through EAB discussion as well as with kind of went through EAB discussion as well as with the special events coordinators and talked about how can we make this better and more streamlined. So we've had it on our webpage, it's kind of like you want to be a green event, this is what you do. As we work through the events, pernaming application, we've caused that link to be more there. And so also the other thing is, as we go through on the solid waste side of it, is we make sure they're aware of the resources that are available to them to have greener events. We've also started tracking what's going on as far as every event recycling. So we have benchmark. So last year we had those recycling numbers, and then we're doing that again this year to make sure we can see which ones are more successful. There definitely is certain events that are very keen and tuned in and one would be wanderlust. I mean, you can look at just the type of events you have. Some are more sustainable and that's their mindset, and they're definitely going to make sure that their clientele more sustainable and that's their mindset and they're definitely going to make sure that their clientele is aware that that's their mindset. Other events aren't as organized but we're aware of that and trying to give them the resources to get there. As far as our summer concert series like Debbie mentioned we have the recycling bins. The ambassadors has been a great program. We're adding to that with number of bins trying to look at getting one-to-one recycling bins to the trash bins. We've been working with our side of things to make sure they understand it. Because it's great when we all talk policy-wise, but it's the boots on the ground, understanding what we're trying to get their goal wise. That's really what we worked at last summer very hard. I'd say Debbie and thanks to Debbie's effort as well as all the AB on being there every week, having a trainer and talking through not only the volunteers that are there, but also talking through with the boots on the ground that are putting the bins on collecting the stuff. So you'll catch me looking in the recycling bin to see if there's plastic. I talked to the bar last week and said don't put dice bags in the recycling. We can't take that to landfill. So it's just a continual education. So that's pretty much it. I mean, all the events are doing some form of recycling just a matter of whether they take it to the next step on making sure it's clean and it's not cold-mangled. But it's changed quite a bit, right, with single stream? It helps. Yes. But there's still a lot of the biggest thing is food contamination in the recycling. So that's why we do the clear bags and the bins that you can see what's in there. Liquid's not as bad because it shakes out. But it's when someone throws their hot dog or their plate in there that it contaminates that whole batch. But now we're really talking about three bins, right? If we're talking about compostable material. Right. And we haven't rolled out the compostable because here's the thing is we have to have the hauling for that. And so I'm starting the process of talking that conversation through and how we can do that and we're doing that as part of that solid waste study and how we can accomplish these things but really that's a change in resources and that's a budget change for the town so we have to think this through before we implement a big change. There are events that do compost, wanderlust does and so they've ordered that special pick and they paid that price to haul that separately to the landfill as compostable material. There's a couple other commercial places that do that as well, but it's a big change to compost collection. And it's about it. It is. So, I mean, you know, when you're cautioning on that one. When you go down to like Whole Foods, you know, they've got all the different boxes, and if you stop to eat lunch, so you have to think about where you're going to put it. And you do have a decision to make and I'm sure they're very successful with it, but that's just one spot, of course. It is. And I'll tell you right now, it's, it takes a lot of man handling on the back side of it that you don't even see what's going on. So, wanderlust, literally, they have the bins, the right thing. People don't understand it. They have guys sitting on the side of the hill with the big tarp laying out the stuff and separating because that is how committed they are to making sure they have clean products that are recyclable, trash and compost. If you just rely on the labels on the bins, it will be contaminated and it doesn't work. And immediately what happens is then what you think is we're all doing good deed is recycling or compost if that's the case is that it just goes to the trash and so it really becomes, it's all the way through. And so we don't have the enforcement side of that. Our guys are doing the collection trying to take the materials to the landfill and getting all the things done they're doing. So it comes from really kind of like the grass root side of things of the events wanting to do it as well as making sure it's clean and then it gets hot to the sites. So it's complicated. It is. And even the vegetable base utensils don't really break down as well as. They don't. And the landfill is struggling with those. I talked to Kathy Hall at the landfills just yesterday, actually, about this, because I was asking about the bags that were looking purchasing. And I said, oh, these are acceptable. And she goes, yes, the bags are, but the compostable utensils aren't. And what's happening is they're putting in the compost piles. They go through the whole process, they screen it, and then they pull those out again, and they get thrown to the landfill. So it's really, it's a tough topic. It's constantly moving. The products are constantly changing because of changes in technology. And so, you know, it's that you think you're doing the right thing, and it's just trying to stay ahead of it and making sure that we're having successful programs. I have, I guess, a suggestion. And maybe this is, again, premature because I can't tell if this is relating to composting which, and you just told us you're really not ready to get into yet, but at the time you are ready to get into it, maybe this makes sense. So on, let's get started, Paige. The bottom point, it says, determine ways to can be donated. Check local resources to determine what leftover food items from vendors can be donated post event. It seems to me that if we really want people to try to compost this stuff. We give them a list. We do the work of finding the vendors who can accept composted, you know, use food. And I presume this is, I presume that this is, I don't know, I'm not presuming. This could either be leftover food that has not been touched, and it's sort of speak extra, and it has to do something with it. Or I don't think it's, I guess that's what I was thinking about when I read this, right? Debbie, is that what you guys have in mind too? I think I agree with you. This is sort of a two-pronged effort. Certain types of food product that might be left over might be able to be donated to the homeless shelter, for example. Exactly. But then there's the compostable waste food. And as Anne says, that's even more complicated to deal with because if it's not guarded carefully as it's being disposed of, it's contaminated and can't be used for anything but trash. One of the things we try to do on these is to have it timeless. So, you know, if that's a question that a specific event wants to know, we can provide some guidance. One thing we try not to do though is give firm recommendations of, you know, these locations. We can give guidance that there's these products available, but we can't, you know, point out that you need to use this vendor. Right. You need to use. Right. So, you know so we simply try to- But you could provide a list. Could you provide a list? No, and I don't know that answer right now, so we'll look into that to see if that's available. And Jamie. Can I enter the discussion? Yeah, you. I think so. Can I? It's your discretion. Yeah, sure. You can recognize him or not. Come on. Oh, man. I want my bag. So, um, interesting enough, uh, this leads to a big picture, which I just figured out, um, from listening to everybody, but they already have a compost program, theitch and County landfill, right? And I do it. They give out free containers, bags fill it up with food. They give you a little magnet thing that says what goes in. Yeah. And they have free pickups. It's run by Jack Johnson. And they do free pickup in Pitch and County because they're trying to create this sort of awareness. So it's already in place. So if you volunteer sometimes I just go up there and dump it out and you see a few people doing it. So that's number one. So I think it's available. It's sort of in its nascent stages. So how we get there, that leads to big picture. What I've noticed is that the EAB and the comprehensive plan and marketing, they're all coming together here. Because what you're doing, you're marketing events, you're trying to show them what kind of community you are, and you're also trying show them what kind of community you are. And you're also trying to show what kind of community we are, and also trying to market us as a sort of forefront of. Well, we're trying to walk the talk responsible. Trying to walk the talk in what our community means to us. And so, and that to me, that's the comprehensive plan, is going to bring all this together eventually because I can see that marketing is so you know they're so on it they require their special events. EAB is already doing they don't require this again. I can see Rose saying yes, we highly recommend it. Anyway, that was my comment. Thanks Jamie. Thanks Jamie. Yeah, just to follow up on this conversation, one of the things that the composting challenges our department and as well as other departments is animal control. So food waste obviously, you know, the bear is an issue you're well aware we've got some alerts out right now. So the education on composting and where it's stored and how you're operating is very important. The other side of it is collection. And so we're very cognizant of the number of collection vehicles, whether that be by the town or by another hauler and the monotrug traffic to collect this. So that's one of the topics that we need to further dive into on the compost collection side of things. So something just occurred to me, because we're talking about special events, right? But what about our hotels? What are hotels, lodges, restaurants? Are we as a town, EAB perhaps, but any other group, we as a town, how are we educating the people in those businesses to be to recycle their waste, to take care of their waste, and are we giving people who operate businesses here, who generate waste, the same kind of education, if you will, that we're trying to present to our guests, and of course to our locals. So part of it, the town provides recycling to whoever requests to have recycling collection. So I'd say 99% of our commercial as well as lodging has recycling collection. I can't tell you who that 1% is, but I know there's a few accounts that don't choose that. It's not mandatory within the town. That's a code discussion we can have later on, whether you would want to make mandatory recycling within the community or not. And as far as the day-to-day operations, our staff does a very good job at telling the customers what services we provide, meaning talking about what's acceptable on the recycling, what's delivery services were very flexible. As far as the, I think there's always continued work on giving resources, we do a flyer, we have on our page of what single stream means and what's acceptable. And it's, you know, it's constantly a changing target. You can continually need to provide that information to the resort or to the lodges and the commercial entities to make sure that they know. It's from their side on whether they choose or not to have recycling bins that are clear and cohesive and is the program, is a housekeeping take care of it. We can give the information that what we're gonna take away and what's acceptable and landfill, and it's really on their side to embrace that. The implement that, yes. I understand that. So we continue to try, you know, give that information now. So that's actually happening and it sounds like you're getting good support. Yeah, and our recycling numbers, I think Clinton included that in his weekly updates. I give him that quarterly or so. I think he gave it out in January, February. Our numbers have been on the increase on recycling. So, but as we work further on this topic, I'm apologizing, I wasn't planning on talking them, and I do need to run. So, but we'll be giving further discussion on solid waste management plan on how this all ties together. But we all work together very well, marketing, PDS, FAR's, animal control, FAR's, EAB, and what programs we're offering, and try to make those incremental steps forward in trying to get good service. Great. Anybody else? Okay. Some questions. Oh, but go ahead. If Anne has to go, if I may just think Anne and Travis for their boots on the ground last summer as we got both the recycling ambassadors program going on the at the free concerts and down at the rodeo. And I know this couldn't happen with that. You guys, that's what makes. Thank you, Ann. Sorry. Are you ready for my questions? Yes. The following. Okay. So this document that you gave that you gave us to look at, this is what people that are having events in Snowmass will receive and they've already received this. It's a published and available that we've recently incorporated it into our new special event application software which just got off the ground recently We actually haven't even had an application come through yet on the new software. Okay, so basically I think you remember year ago We moved away from the TUP process to a special permit process So as they go through their application This is one of the sections that they see as they build their Solid waste plant. I think we call it a sanitation plant. That's where they have to talk about trash and, you know, port parties and food permits and stuff like that. And then green events is a section of this work. This document is available and they're asked to describe how they're going to make their event green. And is there follow up? I mean, because there's a lot of information in what you give them. And one of them is the idea of, you know, having a coordinator who's basically in charge of this. And, you know, I mean, if you wanted to follow it, you would need a pretty good chunk of volunteers and being able to identify those volunteers. So I'm just wondering, like, I mean, if it's just something that they see when they love their application, I don't know how useful it is. I mean, is there someone that's calling them? I mean, I know it's not mandatory, and it's just suggestive, but it would seem to me that regardless of if it's mandatory or suggestive, that you would want to follow up with them and say, you know, we hope you had a chance to review this. And, you know, I'm just trying to get an idea of how useful it's going to be. It seems like there's such a great plan here. And obviously you put a lot of time into laying it out for people. And someone could easily look at that and just say, okay, this is, we could do all this. But I just, you know, I'm wondering if it's really going to be implemented by people. If there isn't someone on our end, I mean, because in a lot of places that says, call this number if you want to do this or call this number. But we all know who that is. Like if someone calls you, it's different than if you do it yourself. You know? That's really good point. And I guess I'll just say, I mean, that was one of the major reasons that we didn't feel we were ready to implement requirements or mandate these things just because we didn't have the staff or the manpower to follow up at the events and expect them and see if they were actually recycling but if someone is going to offer these things we will know about it through the application process and they do have to have to reach out to public works to arrange dumping and things like that. But I mean, I'd say, I mean, there's probably, if there's 15 events, and just for a round number, I would say that we as a town, put 12 of these applications together. We bring them, we bring them the event process. So as we gin these up and get warmed up to them, you get our own processes in place. It'll be easier for us. That's on the actual enhancement, putting the project together side. On the review side, it's a very hands-on process. I mean, between Brian Olson, the chief of police and Travis, we're not overwhelmed with 50 events coming through every year. We've got a pump these things through. So we will be able to get these up and going. As Travis said, we just got our new review process up in the next last two weeks, I'd say. And so again, this is going to be those things that we can continue to focus on. We've got the highest priorities first, which are the wildlife, you know, the actual code responsibilities you have to store food in certain ways and whatnot. We're hitting those, make sure they're first, and then as we get chances to improve, we'll work with them to what we can do. I mean, I'd say, I think it's fair to say though, the first priority is to get the event organizers interested in being here and working with them. And once they're interested, they didn't say how do we get their values to move on. But like, I mean, I feel like, you know, you reference several, you know, you don't reference it. It's the thing that Andy did, several of these big events, one of them being jazz Aspen. So I've been to jazz aspen for like 15 years and I can tell you I don't think that the way that even if they have recycling it seems like everything is comengled. Now you go to something like food and wine and you have people stationed at the recycling in the trash and they're physically helping people get it into the right events. It takes a lot more volunteers and you know they're wearing hats and they're wearing shirts. But that to me of all the events that we do seems like something that jazz asses have been here long enough, we have been you know hosting them for however many years. That that could be an event where we sort of kick this off and really kind of get them to do the volunteer plan and get, I mean, I know it's not a requirement, but to me that is like, it's insane, the amount of food and drinks and even when the lights go on after the music's over, all of that trash that's laying on the field. I mean, there has got to be, I think, a better way of dealing with the waste that comes from that event, in particular. You know, maybe some of these other events, I don't know. I mean, even Thursday nights on the hill, you know, you have the recycling out, but people tend, you know, don't always put things in the right places. We have owned here. Right before. Before that. But I'm saying that's like a perfect example. I mean, that's at a town event and you're having these recycling ambassadors and you're kind of, you know, kicking it off that seems to me that the Jazz Aspen event would be like a prime event to really kind of put this volunteer mechanism into place and trying to make it more friendly. I mean, if food and wine can do it, then why can't Jazz Aspen do it? I mean, that's, again, that's up to the fundamental feedback we got from marketing, from, you know, when we were talking about how do we recruit these events, how do we make sure they're here, they don't mandate it. Work with them, encourage them, let them know we've got the resources, but if Jim Horowitz and the staff say, hey, we can't make that happen this year, we purposely say we're not mandate it yet. If you guys came back from.... I'm going to see you deminged it but they've been here for so long. It's not like we're trying to recruit them. Yeah. I'm Howard Grossi. Come on. I need a... Get him a bag. On the marketing board. I get my bag at the market. Jim Horowitz would say would look me in the eye and, great idea. Why don't you pay for it? As long as the town is willing to pay for it, he'll staff it. If we're not willing to pay for it, he will not staff it. And that's reality. That's where we're at with it. That food and wine at $700 a ticket or whatever, they can afford to have volunteers and give them free gifts. And they get away with it. Plus they also have people that are more sensitive to the issue about recycling. But Jim Horowitz, I guarantee you, all he does is ask us for money. And I just want the reality to sink in a little bit, I think that, as I recall, if you work with day at food and wine, you get a day of activity. Oh, yeah. You get a ticket for a day. I mean, that ticket is worth a lot more than the ticket to, you know, the September Jazz Aspen. It may not be, but it's, if Jim would give you the tickets. Yeah, if he was willing to do that. He won't do that either. He gave you the IP. Yeah, he gave him a VIP ticket. Oh, well, yeah. I don't mean to be abrupt, but the reality is, as long as he is leading jazz ass band, recycling is going to be a difficult issue. And when we leave the venue, you're going to see all the garbage laying on the ground. Well, I think what I was going to do is it's a garbage. I'm just saying that I think part of it is people do. They come up to the thing and they're like staring in at what do I put where. I mean, let me tell you, at the elementary school, in the middle school, and maybe the high school too, they have these things built for the kids. So it's right at the elementary school level and they have, you know, what's composted and what's recycled and they have little pictures of what they are. So the kids at that young age are learning where they should go. I mean, I know like for a lot of people they're confused, but sometimes when you have people standing there, like they do it in food and wine and I get it. Exactly. But it seems like they could do more than they're doing. I mean, I'm not saying every single trash can needs to have people. They should do more, but they're not willing to. Right. That's the point. Sorry. Maybe the recycling ambassadors go to jazz aspen. I mean, maybe that's something that we work on for this year is we take the people that help with the recycling ambassador stuff for the, you know, the Thursday and the concerts. I mean, just to make it a little bit more. Those are things we can explore. I'm not saying it has to happen this time. We can explore. It's just a suggestion. You're asking about bins for the Thursday and I concerts. So there's are they separate bins? They're separate. It's actually, we call them bins, but it's actually a wire frame stand. It has a clear plastic bag on it, and then it has, there are different tops that can be on it. So one for recycling, one for trash? Oh, and the trash is in boxes with a black plastic liner. It's very different in appearance. So they're kind of like taller and thinner. But I mean, maybe that's something that the town should invest in to say, hey, we have these bins that we use for events and they have recycling and trash. And it's, you mean like loan them out to events that want to offer recycling? Right. We have talked about doing that. We don't have the stock currently, but it's a good idea. Frighteningly expensive. I would think they are. Yeah. Right, but if this is a mission that we have, and this is a capable investment that we're willing to make, Let's just provide them. So, you know, tough mudder comes to town and we say, okay, we've got a hundred of these bins that you need to have at your event and that's just the way it runs. I'm, yeah, I think of an event came to us and it worked, you know, time wise. I think we would certainly work with them to use our bins. But yeah, we can talk about making that more official. On that first page of your presentation, under the, it supports the community. Can you just put a period after environment? Sorry, it was really long. You know how I get about that stuff. Yeah, I appreciate it. And the same with the event day page. Hold on, I'm looking to where it was. I don't know what event day page. Oh, underplace the containers between traffic and areas. That was bothering me too. Then I won't make any more comments about them. Thank you. We tried to squeeze space between traffic and carefully. But did you? Thanks, many eyes. I don't see it, but I don't. Between traffic and areas, there was too much space. There was areas. You're in high traffic areas. You're saying there's an extra space there. Yeah. It just bothers me. I'm sorry. That's okay. I'm on my microphone. You can't hear me? No. I'm Yeah. She can hear me. Okay, that's it. Sorry. Thank you. Thanks. But it was really great. I thought you guys did a great job with that. Really. I should point out. I should have been out. And I got to give the credit to Evanston Illinois, which someone pointed out was a good municipality to look at last time we met with council. We plagiarized. Thank you. So also on the next steps for recommendations which is on our page 32 is just so everybody knows you know the town of snowmats only donated $5,000 to core. And core is looking for more money and they're hoping the town of Stomass, I think it's a good recommendation to increase the dues to $10,000 next year or whenever possible because a lot of other municipalities in a valley are donating a lot more than the town of Stomass. And could we do that? Could I make a suggestion? in a valley are donating a lot more than town of Stelmas. And could I make a suggestion? Because I think we did do that in 2016, right? In 2016, right? You'd like to see it go forward and continue, right? Clint or even Duke Tom, perhaps, because you're the core representative. But I guess I'd like to see what other communities are providing to core in the Valley. And maybe $10,000 is a lot compared to others. Maybe it's too little compared to others. I actually have, I don't have it with me, but the next meeting I will have that, okay? And I will have a report for you on that. And just to give you an example, just because of the generosity of a particular anonymous to our anonymous donor, poor has provided 38 free energy the ports for homes and still has village. Okay, and I think the sustainability plan people of EAB has worked with them on it, you know. Anyway, I'll have that report. Okay, thanks. Thanks. But I have a, I guess I have a question or a comment on this recommendations for next steps. And the first one says reevaluate the top priorities. So could I suggest to my fellow Councillors and to staff that we put the re-evaluation of the EAB priorities on an upcoming work session not too distant in the future so that we can generate those priorities and I guess kind of keep in mind that we've got the comp plan review. I think I put the cart before the horse because really what I wanted to say was from the work that the AAB has done on these three priorities that we had given them, they seem to be moving along pretty well. And that it might be time for us to consider looking at some new priorities for EAB. If Debbie, if you kind of feel comfortable with that, then I would come back and ask Clint to put that on to one of our work sessions. I think that's something we... I mean, are you comfortable? You feel comfortable that you're far enough along on those priorities, those previous three priorities that not that they're gonna run themselves, but at least you've got start, you've got things started on them. I think so. Okay. And I also think I should add, if I'm not interrupting you. No. That the group has not come to a consensus regarding a bag fee. And my guess is if we had to vote on it, actually charging a bag fee right now would not pass. There are some people in favor of it. But I personally like the idea that we move forward with our education. We move forward with distributing these bags. And we hold the bag fee out somewhere in the future as a possibility, but continue to try and educate people and make inroads with various businesses, including the market, the retailers, and the lodges. And I think that we can do quite a bit with that. Yeah, agree. All right. All right. All the rest of you, okay, with handing a tool work session to evaluate your priorities for YeB. You bet. Yes. Good. Okay. I mean, when do we think we might have the evaluation from core? I was told within a few months. So they said a month to have a good draft together. So we might be able to get it at our July meeting. So one of the goals is to set a percentage that targets a baseline for the data so that from 2009 the goal is to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 20% by 2020. Are we bas this assessment, I would imagine that we have reduced our carbon emissions of fair amounts just by, you know, the scorecard that you put together. But I don't know how you're, what the dipstick is. I think the baseline is already in place and this will kind of tell us if we're on track with that or if we've exceeded it or it's an optimal. Okay, good. Can I just make one more comment about the bags? I feel like there's a lot of people who constantly talking to me about the bags. That it might, I mean, I know I looked at the matrix, but it might be really helpful if we had some sort of, like, get some sort of update or have some sort of timeline, like, you know, bags are going out to the retailers by this date, you know, meetings set up with lodges or whoever you're going to be talking to just so that when people come up to me or anybody else and say, well, you know, we really need to do something about these bags that at least we have some kind of information in about the education process but exactly kind of when things are happening. Like it would be really nice before the ski season if we were able to work with these lodges and get some more reusable bag policies in place with them, or ideas in place with them, of what they could do to increase their bags. And just, you know, it doesn't have to be a formal thing, but maybe some kind of update and something that people could read that say, oh, this is what's going on. This is how they're doing it. So I don't know. Just take that back to the committee. Thank you. So if that, if that's it, I will say help yourself to the bag. Cursey of the tourism department. Formal town. We areut of the tourism department. Farming town. We are very excited about my back. You have a good question for you Travis. Oh, OK. Says in 2012, town council passed a resolution allowing owners of deed restricted employee housing to recover the cost of energy efficiency renewables to 10% of their home's resale price. Do we know if anybody has taken advantage of that? I do not, but I think we can probably find that information pretty quickly. I think it would be called a Joe. Good to know, and since it's there, we should encourage it. Yeah. Maybe we can include that in the update. Anyone else? Let me come back. And there was a note in here that Rhonda is getting percentages since 2009, reduce office paper, used by 20% through town organizations. Yeah, that's my fault. I must have attached the wrong final version. So that was a note to myself to make sure I included that percentage for the final presentation in November. Which I think in November it was not messed up like that. So my apologies. Now I don't know what percentage was, but it was good. Primarily because you guys are all using iPads. I don't know what percentage was, but it was good. Primary out. Primary out because you guys are all using iPads. That's huge. As I take notes on paper. I'm going to hide. Okay, go. Tell me you got anything else? I do, but I'm going to wait. I need to confirm these numbers. I do have that report from CORE, but I need to talk to them, just to make sure I have the correct numbers because the way it's looking is there's a lot of other municipalities that are way above us. And some of that is that they have dedicated funding sources through the rep and what I have. I need to confirm these numbers. We have a meeting next week, so I'll do that. But I think that's correct because Mon has brought those numbers to us. Right. Before. But they must be fairly short staff because I know I requested a home audit over a month ago. Their staff is overloaded. You're correct, they are overloaded, and not to get into the whole core thing at the moment, but that energy challenge thing is going on in Aspen, and that's a big item for them. And what they're really looking for is, right now, it's big ideas. Okay, like, what do they really looking for is, right now, big ideas. Okay, like, what do they really want to be, and where do they want to be putting their money, and the other organization is trying to merge with poor, but it basically broke, is the clear program, okay, which is the clean energy economy for the region or something like that. But they're basically doing a lot of the same things. They're overlapping each other. But there's a lot happening with core right now. And I have some notes that we could talk about later in regards to, again, their big idea right now is to win this energy challenge and unfortunately some espilage is not involved in it. It's just the city of Aspen. Correct. Okay, and it means it's $500,000. Okay, so it's a big deal for them to win that challenge. And right now they're in second place. And I forget what the deadline date is you might know. I forget what it is, but I'll find out by next week. Behind Park City, is there right? Yeah. Park City's in first place. So go ask me. It's a lot of money to the core people. Okay. Thanks. Thanks. people. It's big. OK, thanks, Debbie. Thanks, Travis. Appreciate your time. All your good work. Thank you. We're going to take five. We're going to take one break. We would have to figure out a spot. I mean the rodeo on force, you can accept from maybe this coming Wednesday. You're always counting on rain on the rodeo. Not night, those poor guys down there and ladies down there. You know, I mean that, well that's a perfect place if you could incorporate the indoor rodeo and feel you know all that Right there. I mean I could see that that being awfully nice venue for the rodeo to have at least a little over there They're you know absolutely. I mean it that's that's the multi-purpose That you and the ice rink Multi-fotty very similar to the the ice rink, it would be very similar to the Glenwood Springs type situation. You would be protected, their rec center is kind of open air. And that being the ice skating arena would be protected from the sun and the wintertime too. And if there ever was refrigeration on anything like that, that would be quite the rec center area. Thank you for your retractable dome. Well, I mean, we start, you know, starting on a arena football league up here soon, you know, essentially. Andy, is anybody complaining about not being, you know, spectator viewing in the current gym? Not so much complaints. You know, if some parents want, you know, a place to sit, we do have a couple of benches in there. We will pull in some more chairs. The amount of games that we have in there, you know, adult league, and not many people want to go and watch an adult league. If we had more youth programs, youth basketball, youth volleyball, that type of stuff, we would definitely find a need for that. We have enough chairs that we use around the facility right now that we pull in and out of there. So no complaints, but definitely something that could be improved. I might just jump in for a second. So the projects that you've got listed last week, and if you're looking at last week's agenda, then Andy's got that summary up here before you on the screen. And those are all ideas. I can say most of which are really good. The difficult part is going to be the next step is the prioritization. Because you call it a wish list, you call it whatever. It's going to come down to a prioritization process. There's a steering committee that's really kind of working through a lot of these. And then you guys will obviously be the ultimate decision makers. And I think really what one of the big questions, I don't know if we can talk about it tonight, coming up is sort of criteria that we should be using in this decision making process and in this prioritization process. And I'll give you an example that came out of the last steering committee was, these are my words, not the decision, more articulate, but kind of bang for the buck. And it was, you know, facilities should be multipurpose. And that was so that, you know, they could be, they could, if we were going to spend the money on something, it could serve more than one need. And if we could kind of get some feedback on maybe some of that criteria that you might be thinking about, that would be great. And then at some point, the very near future, what we'd hope to do is kind of take those criteria that the steering committees coming up with and the ideas you have and come back through these park projects, the trails projects, the open space and say, here's a few things, kind of a top 10 list kind of thing. And make sure that it's in fact reflective of what you all are aiming for. That's one point. The second point is for tonight's discussion is really there's kind of a broad discussion of, you know, there's a, when we, this whole, part of this whole discussion kicked off with the FAB last year, it's like, hey, which, what's the subsidy for parks and recreation? Is it too much? Is it too little? And that's what this, this, I can't remember title name, I just blanked it. Oh, the economic, it means the economic impact. And so some of these are, and I can tell you, we've talked a lot about it, because some of them were a stretch in some of them. They are. Well, and so this is one of the things when SC engineering, who did this for us comes in. We questioned and questioned and questioned and they've defended and defended and defended. And so whether you want to fight the numbers amount, I think that's an economic economist can debate that all day long. I think the fundamental principle is trying to say is, there are some untold benefits that you don't get to measure like you do with the front of the rec center. It's the front of the rec center you walk in, it's fit in bucks to walk in if you're not a member and that's easy to measure. There are some other things that are far more difficult to measure. All the data that's in there, I can kind of question some of it myself, but the fundamental takeaway to me was there's value in it and you might not be able to measure it, but you've got to recognize it. And I think that was really it. So to that point, it kind of goes back to the prioritization and say, hey, are we trying to do, are we trying to create things that are going to generate revenue like a pool deck might? And it's never, a pool is never going to pay for itself. That's probably you don't have, you know, private sector folks doing it because it just doesn't work. But is it are we going to do something that can generate at least revenue or are we going to do something that maybe is a little more intrinsic trails? You know, it's tough to pin a dollar on the rim trail. We try to in this analysis. It's probably as good as anything can be. But those are the kind of things that I think that we're really looking forward for you guys as far as prioritization goes. The steering committee has gone through, I'm not going to say they struggle, but they're really thoughtful. I mean, there's people in there that it's a good discussion about, you know, kid soccer programs. I mean, those are, how do you be against, you know, there's kid soccer programs of what do they need? They need more turf. And you know, a turf, I mean, natural turf can be limited in its time frame and seasonality. There's a man-made turf, is that what you call it? The less natural turf has got a longer season to it. And so those are the kind of discussions that we're trying to get to in that prioritization of what can be used for more. And I think that's this kind of a thought so we'd like to hear from you guys maybe on some of that detail, but really the broad stuff is to make sure that when you see these chapters roll through in about a month, we're going to have it this saying probably 80, 85% done. We want to make sure there's no surprises in here. Are these chapters aren't going down a path that you're just not comfortable with. If there's any big red flags, we really like to understand if you need to make a turn shift one way or the other. There was one of your ideas. And I think it's under more of the administrative section. So this was number 14, which is on page 91 of 115 of that packet or 28 to 29 in this section. In any case, it's developed a system to document park maintenance and keep track of attempted to track the cost, the true cost of maintenance for parks and amenities. And I think that's a great idea. I think that frankly for me, that would be a priority for you to even get started sooner than later because that information would be helpful as we could talk through the comp plan and do those types of things. So again I don't know what's involved in actually getting that implemented Andy, but from my perspective, if you know, I guess I'd ask if you could try to implement it, more or less outside of what we're trying to do in the big picture of poster, but to try to get something like that started. Sure. Just to comment on it. So we, the way we track our parks and gardens, obviously it's done by a number of hours. We have a certain amount of money that we spend on parks and gardens and also regular parks, maintenance. And more are we doing enough? Are we, you know, should we be adding more, more planting, more enhancements? You know, what does that kind of look like? And that's kind of what, you know, what this kind of goal talks to. If somebody asks us, well, this garden, you know, it doesn't look like it's being maintained as much as it should. We can have the information to say this garden is maintained at this level because of this. It was planted in such a way, you know, so the maintenance is less. And that kind of- Medians are a great example. Medians are a fabulous example. You know, we get comments a lot. Well, the medians, you know, they look like weeds are growing into them. Well, there's native grass that was designed and planted in there to, that was the design. The way that we maintain that is we mow that, you know, probably four, five times a year. When it gets a little tall, we go back and we maintain it. But that's not the way it was designed. The way it was designed is to let the, we, the, almost said weeds, but it's native grass. It's native grass. It's native grass. Yeah, native grass. It is supposed to grow and it is supposed to look the same way. Now if that's not the way that, you know, that the community wants it to look, then let's change that and come up with a standard of how that works. And ultimately, what that is going to cost to turf an area like that would cost significantly more than it does to have that native grass in it right now. But yeah, absolutely, that is something that we work on continually, it seems like every day. And because we outsource that that maintenance It's really easy for us to put a dollar on it because we every every one of those That's true a purse square foot. Is that how you pay it? I mean it's perfect We can tell you exactly what those cost and what we paid for it So it's really easy for us to put a dollar to those Anybody else so when it's time to be mode. It's done Okay. Anybody else? So when it's time to be mode, it's done. Through an outside entity, it's not done by the town. The medians are done through the town. But gardens. Gardens, garden maintenance, weed pulling, weed spraying, and that type of stuff, planting, that is done by outside maintenance. So who maintains the Ben Rollins? Old garden there in the corner. Councilor corner? Okay. Al Creek and Brush Creek? Yes. We maintain it, but it is our contractor that... Okay. Towncase for it. Towncase for it. Towncase for it. I mean, and I knew Ben very well, and when Ben was alive that that garden flourished much better obviously. But it's not, you know, just it just doesn't bloom anymore. There's not enough annuals. It seems like the perennial loopings are gone this week and then there's not enough flowers and anyway I was just kind of curious. To me it seemed like Ben's garden has gone downhill a little bit. And the perennials, exactly several years ago, we made the conscious decision to go to more perennials so we would come back every year. And that is part of the issue that you have. It blooms for a while and then it's gone. But it doesn't seem to be. I don't think, I don't think, I don't think we have the right stages in there. There's not enough, there's not enough colors throughout the year. And there's a lot of perennials that will do that for you, but I don't know who, I don't know who the contractor is, but I think we need to address it because that's a valuable corner. Well, and just so you understand, you know, they're not going in and planting things every year. No. They're maintaining. They're just so- They're just weeding it and making sure there's separation. Absolutely. So if that is something that, you know, that the community really wants, you know, that's an area that we want to focus on and, you know, to do more planting in those gardens. Well for me I knew Ben when he was at the Crestwood back in the 70s and 80s and he started all these gardens and he established that corner when it used to be the little right hand turn before it was a bright hand turn and it just flourished when Ben worked and he worked it and he had his helpers and it was something. And I'd like to see it continued and be improved. Isn't the HOA maintain some of the gardens as well? Depending on where you're talking about, let's say, Homestead from the golf course, from the corner up to the Blue Roos. That would be HOA, the Naintain. That's Blue Roos in, Homestead to go. Yeah, so once you get up to Sinclair, the town takes care of Sinclair, bus stop. But the homeowners would take care of the garden from there. But the snowmass homeowners association, I thought they were responsible for a fair number of gardens as well. Like I said, it all depends on where that garden would be. I can run through the gardens that we maintain. We maintain the medians. We maintain Russian 82. We maintain the the photo spot, the welcome sign. There's basically two welcome signs before you get to the round about the variable message sign. The all the medians all of town park. Number of months. Going up. Going up Valley, Sinclair Bus Stop, Council Corner, Yarrow Park, Town Hall, the numbered lots, Daily Bus Lane, Kathy Robinson Park, Town Shops, Recreation Center, so there's- Yeah, it's significant. Okay, anything else? No, I'm scared. Okay. So I think that probably catches up... Catches up? From last week. Yep. So if we move quickly into this week... Absolutely. maybe we can Call it up and like Like Clint said we want you to see this we want to make sure that we're on the right path We're you know if there's anything in there that's you know that Well But it is something that either did we're missing or something that you have read through this and said boy that wasn't in there. I mean in terms of those recreation means business report. Not so much that. Let's talk about that. I was talking about the recommendation. Especially since you had a time to look through the recommendations. If there was something in there and I appreciate your comments and your thought through the process. If there was something in there and it might even be later today. Once you say, boy, I've seen this three times and I've never, that wasn't in there. So- It's a lot of information. It is. So I can keep bringing it back so little bits and we don't have to get through it all.. I mean, I think the real important part is to look at the list, digest that, and then when the priorities come back, that's when you're. That's when it gets more focused. You know, Andy, I take it that the consultant wrote this chapter for the most part. They did, yes. chapter for the most part. They did, yes. To Clint's point, yes, there is economic return for having amenities. I don't buy there, you know, the way they created this value, because to me they left out a lot of steps. But be that it's me. If it's in here, I mean the concept I get, and the concept's in here for a reason that I understand, you know, creating an economic analysis or, you know, report is something that really often happens in land use kind of stuff. I mean, it's one of the requirements of a PUD. So I kind of get all of that. You know, I asked this question. I made my note to ask a question. Where does this come from? How do you get from whatever it is? The $241 a day and $11 a day times 41,000 people? I mean, that's not really because not everybody rides their bike on the rim trail. So I'd rather, honestly, I would rather not see that in there at all than look at it like that. But that's my personal feeling. Because to me, it comes across as we just, you're trying to pull a wool over my eyes or something. It's just ridiculous. And we knew the reaction. I mean, when Clint and I first saw this chapter, even in it, even in it, a previous draft, it was kind of like, we're fans. We're supporters. Yeah, we're supporters. And we're not sure that this is something that we want. But talking with the consultant, his analysis is true numbers from what we have provided. So it's not like he's picking numbers out of the air and trying to get to a certain number. So I appreciate the feedback and that's something that we will go back, because he knows that this meeting is happening right now that this would be the first time that you've seen it. One thing that I'd ask him, because Councillor Circus, I mean, I have the same discussion, and where's a little convincing is, when he gets to talk about, hey, this is the exact same process, the National Park Service uses, et cetera, et cetera. Before we ink it, I would let him kind of, he can do a much better job at depending on it. Because again, so I got over the, I got off the dead horse, but I thought the point is these are good for you. Whether you want to debate the zeros on the end of that, that can be debated all day long. But I think the point they're trying to fuse trying to make is, there really are some things that need to be understood, and he was trying to put a dollar on to it. So in this list of, you know, activities, sports and culture, and then why Snowmass Discovery has its own section to me, I don't get, should just be part of culture. But is the excavation station even operating? No. So, one of the things that I would personally request is that anything that's not operating not be there? Also, I don't think the Aspen Music Festival, you know, being there. It's not a snowman. I mean everything else, everything else on this list is something that you know can happen in snowmass. Yeah, that chart, you know, we drew the consultant from S.E. Group. We talked about that. And I was under the impression that he was going to take that off for this next one. He was saying that it was more of a placeholder. It doesn't really, you know, add anything to the conversation with those. I mean, we know what happens here. And some of these things, again, we don't have anything to do. We, as the town recreation parks and trails department, we don't have anything to do with this. The golf course, we don't have anything to do with that. It's not something. We're not hosting Vince Killan and Grant, the golf tournament. Yeah, well I was thinking about it not so much from the standpoint of parks and recreation so much but recreational activities that are in and around the town so that people would would participate in when they're here. And Jazz Aspen Snowmass, I mean, that's part of it as well. I mean, that's one of that. On that list, you make all that attention to the Jebos volleyball, but it's not on the event list. So maybe it just needs to get added on since it was one of the three things you highlighted. I think we're thinking about just taking that whole chart out on this. Like Andy said, it doesn't add a lot to the discussion. It's not really making, it was in there I think when he was writing, you're seeing drafts just so you know you're seeing the sausage get me and when we read through it it's like we're not sure that's a whole lot and you know when you write you start using tech info to write with and so that that whole chart might go away actually. Unless someone says forgot to say keep it but when you read through it, it doesn't fit super well. Yeah, I think it would be nice to like we have mountain biking or mountain biking in trails, and we're kind of promoting ourselves as, you know, we've got the super loop, we've got all these loops, but really the rim trail, which is analyzed here, for the majority of the people that go up there, it's an out and back. So, I mean, I think the priority should be to get the trail that goes from, you know, just above Sinclair back to the center. And then it's a loop, you know. And I think that's what people like to do is they like loops. So I think that should be a priority. And if we can target them, like, all right, our trails are focused, then let's figure out what those trails are, and let's prioritize them. I mean, this steering committee last week, you and he's got a better than I do, but one of their things was, you know, finish those segments first. Focus on what I can't remember the terminology that we used, but finish those little connectors. Your example of the same clutter might be more difficult because that would be a pretty extreme geologically geographically topography wise. But there's said something similar in that if there's some small connectors that you can connect to make these loops happen or make people find the trails easier, that needs to be the top priority as far as trails go. Actually, the top priority was to get the pavement up to a decent standard on the existing paid trails. The second priority they came up with was find those connectors and whether the connector makes a loop or the connector makes two trails connect together so they can make two miles segments, a five miles segment, I think that's similar that those are the kind of things you'll see coming through the next round. Yeah, yeah, I agree. But then I think we will not to give up on those, you know, on those big trails. Definitely make this small connections happen, but yes, make those trails happen. Yeah, and we've come a long way. I mean, the connections that we made last year alone make a huge difference. Hey, buddy. Good? Everybody good? I do want to just what you just said, the pavement on some of the existing trails, I think that's the main priority. I mean, you know, you know there wasn't talking about. Absolutely. Right. I mean, and people, you know the ones I'm talking about. Absolutely. Right. I mean, and people getting yelled at for being on the golf course and because they can't be on the trail. You know, we need to do, I think that is a priority. I mean, there's that, there's fairway, three trail you're talking about, but I mean, all our paved trails are, they're just not in great shape. And so I know. And The trail's are, they're just not in great shape. That's why people, you know, you get road rage from people who are riding their bikes on the road. Rail rage. Rail rage. And if you walk the trail around the golf course and there's a couple of places, the signage coming around the 20 mile an hour turn when a mountain bike is coming down that blind corner and you're walking up with two people. It's a deadly spot. So I think we need some better signage for the people coming over that hill. I've seen now that I'm a walker and that's all I can do. I've been almost hit two or three times on that same corner by mountain bikers flying over that corner coming downhill. It's I think we need some better signage. Absolutely. Okay, thank you, Andy. Thank you. Later we got caught up. Okay. So I think what that leaves for us tonight is just council reports. Clint John, do you have anything to fill us in on? We're not on the council. No, no. That was the one of us ran out of it. That was the duck if I ever saw one. These guys, they'd wait for that one. We get the administrative further. Any talk for us? I spoke to Councilor SEL, instead of CEL. Did we hear anything further from related this week? I haven't. Nobody. Nobody. Okay. Tom, do I go first? Yeah, I mean, I had a last week's Monday work session meeting before that. We had a almost a five and a half hour core meeting covered a lot of topics and what some of their big ideas were and actually were following up on June 27th with trying to recap some we covered so much stuff and we had we had such a long meeting we had to give it up but as I spoke earlier during when Deb was here there are some issues that There are some issues that the Corps is working on and they're basically looking for their big idea and what it really is. And I think they're very well funded. I don't know, I do have a report and I've got to clear some of their budget compared to where they're at. There's some very good people who just joined, I think, with the ski company. It just became a council person in Washington. Yeah, he's fabulous. And I think the new mayor, Pro Tem down there in Carbondale, Dan, I think. There's a lot going on there and with the possibility of the not necessarily a merger but clear once the merge with the core basically because some of their ideas do overlap but in the same token, clear doesn't have the finances that the core has or nor do they have the budget that they have. And as I said earlier, I think, of course, a big $500,000 to be the winner of that energy is a big deal to them. And they're really working hard on it. Holy Cross contributes a lot to core. They've got some, they worked very well together with core, especially with these energy reports. And the 39 homes, which I was a little surprised, a lot of people aren't aware of what they could gain from core in regards to what they, to be more awareness for them the homeowner to go out if they're going to buy a new washer machine or a new dish washer and how you can recapture some of the funds that are out there. At any rate I'll have more reports back by July 5th meeting and have the all the municipality reports at that point. I need to clarify. I have them in front of me. I need to clarify them. Thank you. What is it? Anything? I have nothing to report because I missed my Northwest Cog meeting by accident. I was in the process of moving and I just missed it. But oddly enough, we didn't get an agenda and we didn't get a reminder email. And then I emailed them and they never responded back. So I'm wondering what's going on there. But that's it. I'm going to have another meeting in Tulled July. I went over to our day today. I thought it was really fascinating. There's some really brilliant people there with some great ideas and concepts. And I think they do a great job of bringing in people from both sides of the conversation, which was good. Unfortunately, I was supposed to be on a panel this week so I've been called out of town so Melissa is going to have to represent town with Tom. Thank you very much. Sorry about that. Thank you. But no it's great stuff going on over there and hopefully it'll continue to grow and become a bigger part of what they do. Well, actually, that was one of the things I wanted to do tonight was welcome the guests and presenters who are here for air day and also welcome the President of Iceland, Olafor Brimson, who's here. I believe he's involved in at least a presentation. And then I want to remind everyone living on the Ridge Run side that the Wildlife Mitigation Along Ridge Run area has started. Another thank you out to Hein Simon for the matching grant that got this wildfire mitigation project off the ground. And wildfire. Oh, wildfire. Yeah, sorry about that wildfire. And again, thanks to the town, Snowmass HOA, and John Milley in the fire department, for coming up with the cash to match, for the match. And again, and thanks for the crew, who's been working up on Ridge Road, removing the standing dead, and opening for the crew who's been working up on Ridge Road, removing the standing dead and opening up a large part of the area along the side of the hill. If you take a ride up Ridge Road and just about halfway up, you will see some big open areas where there weren't any a week ago and we'll definitely have less fuel for wildfire if we should have one. So I think that's what I have. One more thing that I'd like to thank everybody for respecting the closures on government, Tom Blake, and aerobic. Sequel opens up tomorrow, which should be exciting, and I'd like to quietly scold anybody who might have hopped defense during our closure. Okay. Well, that would take care of everything on our agenda tonight. And we wish Mayor Butler a good vacation and hope to see her at our next meeting July the 5th. Oh, and a reminder 330 July the 5th. 330? Yeah, pictures. Pictures. fifth. Three third? Yeah pictures. I have a motion to adjourn. A motion to adjourn. Second. And all in favor. Hi. Hi. Hi. Any opposed? So moved. And have a nice evening everybody. Thank you. Are you going to go see Olaf? Yeah. I'm going over there. I'm going over there too. Where are you going?