Good morning everybody. This is Sherry K Part and I'm now calling the Environmental Task Force to order at 9.33 a.m. on June 30th. And Dolores Anderson, would you please read the name of each committee member and before you do just for the public and staff and other committee members. Mr. Shebert has let me know this morning. He's tied up at the office and if he is able to join the call, it'll be quite light. And he asked that we begin the meeting without him. So Dolores, if you would please read the name of each member, please. Ms. K. Part. Here. Dr. Farah Myers. Present. Ms. Moise. Present. Thank you, Dee. And before we begin, if you would also explain the format that we're using today. Sure. Thank you, Ms. K. Part. My name is Delores Anderson, and I will be assisting with the technical aspects of this meeting. And I want to mention a few items before we begin. This meeting has been held by telephone so that we can advance the public health goal of minimizing face-to-face meetings, also known as social distancing, to slow the spread of COVID-19. Governor Abbott has suspended some of the requirements of the Texas Open Meetings Act, which is allowing us to meet in this manner. The public toll-free dial-in number two access to call is 833-268-8354. Access code 839-593-572-Pound. This information along with the agenda packet containing information to be discussed during the meeting is posted on the city's website. Regarding this call, this meeting is being recorded and the recording will be posted on the city of Arlington's webpage. Presentations, the agenda, and other materials for this meeting are posted online as a part of this meeting and can be found on the city's website at www.arlingtontx.gov by clicking on Agendas. The environmental task force will not be voting during this meeting. All speakers, including Council members, must identify themselves by name each time they speak. Speakers will be reminded if they forget so that we can have a full record of this meeting and that the public may have a full understanding of the discussion. For the members of the Environmental Task Force, please ensure that you are in a quiet place where you will not be disturbed during this call. Everyone has been muted. However, if you wish to speak, please unmute yourself by pressing star six and you will be called on. If any members of the task force must leave the call for whatever reason, you are requested to identify yourself at the time you leave the call as well as the time you join back on. Thank you. Thank you, Jay. Can you tell me how many people are on the call in addition to committee members and staff members? There's a total of 12 people on the call. And I see two numbers that could be members of the public. So the members of the public, if you would please identify yourself for the record. Go in. I heard that. Thank you. Plus, Amber. Thank you. Thank you. And I assume that is all we didn't see another number pop out correct. No, ma'am, that's all. All right. Thank you. So now we'll begin the meeting and our meeting today really is really only one agenda item And that is to go over the draft of our webpage design and the content therein. And I have to say at the beginning, thank you. Thank you to staff who've done incredible work in a short amount of time. I was very encouraged all along the way. Our committee did great work and giving input and direction. And staff, you took it and just produced, I think, an incredible product. So I wanted you to know my deepest gratitude for all the hard work you've done. So I'm going to ask as we go along through each section, Helen, Victoria, we'll take a section at a time and I'll ask for your comments before we move to the next session section so we don't get too lost in the magnitude of all of this because it's really quite informative and as I said, very well done. So with that, Jennifer, I'd like for you to make any comments or additional introductions or comments as we start to roll this out for the committee. Thank you, Ms. Kampart. Jennifer Wickman, Assistant City Manager for Shared Services. I would echo what you said about the great work done by staff. And so that was led by Nora Coronado and Asset Management, but she had great assistance from a number of other departments, public works with Amy Cannon and Keith Brooks planning with Richard Gertzon and Jensy Thopel really also gave a great deal of input into this. and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and I guess topic of environment. Thank you, Jennifer. And Nora, are you going to lead us off? I can't. I'll kick us off. And then for each, I'll turn it over to staff for their respective sections after we gather input. Okay, great. Thank you. Sure. So thank you for that. Miss Cape Art in Jennifer. I'll start with the agenda. I mean, sorry, with the presentation that was posted with the agenda. First slide is the cover slide. I want to make sure that everyone knows this draft format for the final report, for the webpage, for the council retreat that's coming up. And we appreciate all the input that you have to offer from the language and the terms that we use to the visuals that we use. Please let us know what you would like to see changed or see different as we move forward. So slide one is just the intro slide with this wonderful template that was designed by Renemicoid in the Office of Communications. It gives our presentation in our overall product a very, very nice polished look. So I wanted to mention that and thank her for that. Slide two, lists the City Council Environmental Task Force Committee led by Ms. Sherry K. Partt, also including Ms. Helen Moise, Mr. Robert Shepard, and Ms. Victoria for our Myers. As a start, on slide three, I cut and pasted the visual and the language, the introduction, if you will, on the new environmental web page, which was created and that effort led entirely by Sinanda Kachirvata, who's done a wonderful job too. So I thought maybe we could just touch on this. I know we're still kind of mowing over the wording, but I wanted to hear any feedback that y'all may have. We don't have to have it completely polished today, of course, but I just wanted to check in with the group to see what they had to offer or have questions about that we can maybe help answer when it comes to this introduction on slide three. Nora, this is Sherry. The wording, very nice, talked briefly this morning as the meeting was beginning about. We think that the wording is kind of covering all that we're going to show. So it's generally, I think, acceptable, least from my perspective in Victoria's Helen. Do you have any comments about basically that introductory slide, if you will, to the presentation? No, no, it all looks good. Okay, my only comment would be on the pitcher Nora because it's sliced and angled. What you really see predominantly in that pitcher is the concrete support of the bridge. That's true, not very environmental correct. No, not really. So I think we need to change the angle or readjust the picture where you see more of the picture, the trees or the river. Not the predominant concrete support. Got it. And I'll be if you hear the clicking in my mouse and the typing. I'm making notes so apologize. Okay. Okay. Is that all right with the rest of the committee? I'm just trying to read a line of picture. Yes, it's a tutorial. Absolutely. Thank you. Saying that. And that's it. I know what we need. We need. Yeah. Okay. Got it. All right. Norah. Okay. Slide four. Just here talks about the focus areas that you directed us to delve into. We start with carbon footprint moved on to solid waste management, natural environment. Those two focus areas will be covered by Sinanda Katrogata and then strong water management, which will be covered by Amy and Richard in that order. So Miss K. Part before we go further, this is Victoria from I have one just one comment on this slide. Well, I agree. As we talked about was we started the meeting this morning about the language being covering everything. The only thing that might just ask is that static just a quick look at make sure that the language is in the order of what is presented. And I don't know if that I'll change on the website or not, but just so that you right now organically it doesn't necessarily live in the same order. That's my only comment. Thank you. That's actually a great point. The way I and we can go, however, in the committee desires, I fashioned it in this way just because of a sort of I wanted to end with storm orders and that's where most of our discussion and has and has really anchored sort of this initiative by council. So I wanted it in there to give them the most time for discussion. Carbon footprint, Solid Waste Management, Natural Environment are all very informative, and I think we could go along at a nice pace there. So I'd be happy to switch it up for the report. Happy to do so for the website, whatever the committee desires. So we can start with storm water in the final report if you wish or in there, it's up to y'all. But that's a good point. The sequencing of the focus areas, if y'all have any other ideas, please let me know. Well, I think what I was hearing from Victoria was just the order of which is kind of laid out in that opening paragraph, if you will, does it follow? Because if you're looking at the next slide, where you see the focus areas, depending if you read left or right or top to bottom. And so it may follow and it may not, but we won't spend a lot of time on that right now. We'll figure that out, but I understand what Victoria is saying. Gotcha, that helps. You're better. Okay. Victoria, but I understand what Victoria is saying. Gotcha. That helps me better. OK. Victoria, if I've miss Falcon, correct me? You're right on. Thank you. OK. Thank you. OK. OK. Slide 5. We start with the carbon footprint. We had some discussion about the image used here. We tried to use Arlington photos only and throughout the presentation and throughout the website, but we're wondering if maybe there would be a different photo that we could use instead of this traffic one where it doesn't show a whole lot of traffic. And in this particular section we focus on building construction and electric vehicles. So if you'd like, and electric vehicles. So if you'd like, I can change out the photo. I was just revisiting this photo. That may be a better one. Another one could serve us better. And I had said a committee I had suggested this as I was going through this with staff yesterday. I don't know that this photo depicts carbon footprint per se. So if you guys are in agreement, staff will look for a more appropriate photo that describes or depicts carbon footprint, particularly this one because you would look and think, oh, we don't have much of a traffic problem out there on 30. So, and clearly we do, but this is really not just about that. So whether it's they get another photo of a building or a different kind of traffic mitigation or whatever, this one just I don't think really exemplifies what we're trying to talk about under Carton footprint. I don't know what does, but if you guys have any alternate suggestions, please let us know. Miss K. Part, this is Victoria. I do agree. I have a couple of ideas, but we can shout out line. Okay, great. Sounds great moving over to the first slide. Sorry, I lost my place because I was taking notes over to slide six. And so one of the things that the committee really focused on in Hondin was lead versus our current international energy code that we abide by. Earlier discussions, we had Alfbum Gardner, the architect for the city, present on the basics of the 2015 International Energy Code and then lead. And so what I thought I would show here is a side by side comparison with the differences, starting with fundamental commissioning and enhanced commissioning. And basically, just the difference there in the process, if you will. At the end of the day, we move over to slide seven. You, the end result, I'm sorry, at the bottom of page slide six, you say the result is, is a standalone building without third party certification when we construct the 2015 International the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of is an international organization with lead, of course. You know, they are involved from the very, very early stages through the end. And so, of course, with their involvement and their oversight and their participation, there is an increase in cost which we'll show later. So, slide seven. Madam Chair. This is Victoria. Nora, I have a question for you on the slide we just went over on the 2015 comparison. The last one that says results as a sustainable building without third party certification. Since you underline with on the right side for lead without underlying, if there's some way that you could put silver equivalents or some way that that can be conveyed because right now the comparison is not clear why we're doing so. Right. Thank you. Silver equivalent. And now I also, when you say side five, side six, I don't show numbers on my slides, so I'm not sure when you're talking. Maybe I'll just refer to the headings. That's a good question. Yeah, that would be easier for me. Thank you. And this is Helen. Yes, Helen. Lead addresses many, many things in addition to energy. So when you're trying to state that the energy code meets lead certification, you might add the words for energy compliant, energy conservation. That's a good thing. Because it's a certain amount of lead. Mm-hmm. You're right. You're absolutely right. Because lead, for example, when you do lead, when you do the demo of building, for example, you recycle as much material as possible. So it doesn't end up in the landfill. So that is a lot that's very labor and equipment intensive and that's what contributes to the cost increase as well. So you're absolutely right this isn't the sphere of energy as you said. So going back to the tutorial. Oh I'm sorry, I won't go here. I said carbon footprints at the top so we know we're talking about energy but I think if people just go straight to the body they need to know that we're really just talking about complying with lead on the energy side. Absolutely. So to that question, but as I look down under international energy code, so the third item says recycling of building materials is not required. And you go across and under lead it is required. So that's basically what Helen is talking about. But to to Victoria's point on the bottom item where we underline with, we should also underline without on the other side, we should do the same on the recycling stuff. So is not required under international building code, international energy code and is required under lead for consistency? Gotcha. Also, what I did on the first column under international building energy code. It says result is as a sample building without an underlying without third party certification. And then in parentheses, based on what I'm hearing, I'm going to add parentheses, leads so far equivalent for energy efficiency. I think that'd be great. Yeah. Okay, the following slide is tile carbon footprint, building construction. It's a kind of wraps up the previous slide where we talk about what we've built so far. And in reviewing this with Ms. Cape Art yesterday, we realize we've listed the active adult center and fire station number one rebuild under the 2015 International Energy Code column. But those are just in design. They're not constructed yet. So we had talked about omitting those two projects on this slide. On the list. We could have a category of end design. Well, yeah, we could. But it's like going to lead on those two. Right. So my preference and how the committee feels is just not to talk about those because I don't know how that's going to wind up. If we're talking about what we what we know we can do and have done. Are the top four the bottom two. You know, if we adopt this, then clearly they will come under the new guidelines. guidelines but I just thought it was kind of confusing the matter because we don't have those. They're only under design. They're you know what who knows when they're all get funded. I don't know. Right. I would agree. Take them off for consistency. This is Victoria. Okay. And under the lead column we have those who have been built and have been certified by the US Green Building Council that we have three leads silver certified with the HZ Downtown Library, that's our latest project. Fire Station 5, which was I think in 2016, was finished construction and Fire Station 9, which was right before then. Gold certified is the Arlington Municipal Airport. This is Victoria again. is the Arlington Municipal Airport. Okay, sure. This is Victoria again. Quick question, Nora. Could you just change the heading to lead certified and then just do silver and gold? Oh, yes, I got you. And that way it's not lead silver certified gold certified. You can just say lead certification. And then it's silver and gold. Yep, yep. Okay, got it. Thank you. you Victoria do we want to point out though which one got the gold yeah it would show silver and gold it would split them it would what I'm suggesting is just the heading would be lead certification and then you do silver and you know you do silver list gold list. It just. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Thank you. Those limitations. So it would be silver and then the three bullets for the silver and then gold and the one bullet for the gold. Yes. Got it. I hear you. Okay. Thanks. That's a good point. All right. Anything else on this slide, committee? Okay, Nora, I think we're on to the next. Okay, the following slide is an infographic that is titled data and action leads certified buildings. And here we talk about a Sinanda look back at our utility records three years before three years. The last three years of the of the previous building or the old building, and then the first three years post construction of the new one and did cost our energy comparisons. And so this is a result of that. It shows you how much more energy efficient these buildings are. And in reviewing this with Miss K. Part yesterday, we talked about how this is great. This is very informative and good information and could be included in the final report. However, including it here may lead someone to the conclusion that we're headed is we are going to go lead in our buildings and that's not necessarily the case. So we kind of talked back and forth about maybe including this on the website or including this in the final report because it's good information, but maybe not necessarily as this final report out. So I don't know committee. I'd like your thoughts. The way this kind of sets up because you know, our recommendation to the council will be we try to achieve lead standards, but not necessarily go after the lead certification because of the additional costs and all of those things. But when you get to this, it's such an overwhelming slide. It almost... I think it would lead people to believe that this is what we're trying to achieve going forward to get lead certification to believe that this is what we're trying to achieve going forward to get lead certification. And that's that was not the committee recommendation. So I think it's great information to talk about these leads buildings, but we think we can achieve similar results without having to go into lead certification. Helen, your comment? I actually think that it is a good slide because it shows results. Yeah. And I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, Nora, but aren't we committed to one of these two energy conservation approaches and anything we build going forward. I'm sorry, so aren't we committed to either the International Energy Code or lead in everything we build going forward? We're gonna follow one or two. One or the other. More difficult. Yeah, part of, I think it's more difficult to track your savings when you build to the international energy code because there's not a system put into track them or with lead. That's part of the goal of lead is you I mean I know you're tracking them to, well, I guess to the down to the previous library, per square foot. It just shows that it's working. And I don't know how we show it's working because some people might say, well, we have all this cost, but is it working? And I understand the purpose of this side is data in action. It shows it's working. understand the purpose of this side is data and action. It shows it's working. You might throw in, have you got numbers for one of the buildings that was built of the International Energy Coats? It's all we're talking about is energy like the Lake House was new. Okay, these other buildings were new so you don't have anything to compare them to, right? Right. We could certainly do it for the lake house. Although, with that one, my concern would be is that the lake house is bigger than the previous lake house because it was just so much older and not really designed for as a commercial building. It was more like a house at one point, I think. So yeah, an East is a combination facility. It's actually a library and a Ruck Center. So that's East Library and Hugh Smith kind of brought together. So it's a little bit different. And Beacon is completely new. So you know, Apple for apples, it's not there, but we certainly could look into how it fairs with an older building. Although we have made significant, and the council has made significant investments with retrofitting older buildings to with newer and more a lot more energy efficient components. and geophishing components, not necessarily the building, of course, because it's built. But as, you know, boilers go out to our HVACs age, we replace with very highly energy efficient components. Right. And you've probably done some lighting retrofits too, haven't you? Oh, absolutely. And though the street lights, for example, huge savings right off the bat. Right. So and I hear you, Helen, I just don't want to give the impression that the I don't mind that we keep this data in the presentation, that this page stands out almost above all other pages, just that is the way it's laid out. I don't want to give the impression we're going to try to achieve lead certification because that isn't going to be our recommendation. So if we could tone it down, still have the data in the presentation I'm fine with, I don't want it to be perceived as we're going to try to get to leads. We're not. We're going to try to get to lead standards without actually getting the gold star from leads certification. And so anyway, so I think if we're okay, we'll still have the data. Because it does show the invest investment results from what we got. we hope to not just going by the international energy code but going to lead standards without going through leads to still achieve these kinds of results. Well I think what Dora actually pointed out though is we can't point out resort results on the inner no no that's why. How do you think this is here? It's so amazing. And I personally grabbed this slide the minute I looked at this. And I thought, wow, this is the best slide. Because I like to read it. It's a side breaker here. I'm a data-driven person. And this gives us results. So I think it's the color so that they're green. OK, got it. I got it. We're all data-driven. So, my name is Victoria. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I like the data, but I do. I am concerned about what your point is, and I was looking to see if we could rectify it in a different way. One, obviously, is I would tone down this. I like the information, but I would tone the downs, so it's not an all-blue slide, because you're right. It does jump out after plain white slides. It sort of jumps out. You could do the same data. If you want to provide the same data, you could not make it a separate slide and just put it underneath the previous slide. And then that way, it's clear. We can just put that data underneath the lead. And then that way it does not look like relating up to the point of. And I also think, Madam Chair, your point is we'll take in that, in the potential action slide that we'll get you in a couple of minutes, it does not exactly articulate what you just said, which cost purposes we may not always move to utilizing or spending the additional money to have an external certification. So I think we do need to change some language on the potential action page later on. Those are my thoughts. Thank you. And I think Helen, if we give the information to revive for education to the people, because this will be a landing page, obviously, for any citizen that's interested in what we're doing environmentally, that we want to achieve the same kind of standards as though we were lead, not that we're just gonna try to adhere to the international energy code, we'll go above and beyond that. But, you know, to get the lead certification, as we all know, is almost cost prohibitive now. And in budget years that we're going to be facing for probably at least the next year, maybe two. I don't want to create a false expectation. So, but the data I agree with you, Helen, is very important that we show the public what we can do and we hope we achieve the same thing without having to actually go to get the lead certification to do it. Does that help Helen at all? Y'all doing what you want to? Okay. Well, we're going to do what the committee wants. So we'll get Robert to weigh in. I'm not about it. So go ahead. Okay. All right. Let's move on. All right, Nora. Sure. The slide title, George W. Hux, Down-A-Town Library leads Silver. Here, it's just a visual of the additional cost that lead certification involves. So here, just have a pie graph and some table a table with actual numbers of money spent with the overall project about 3% overall or about a million dollars more was was invested for the lead certification. And that helps a lot, I think. The following slide is titled Carbon Footprint Building Operations. And here, just try to present. Come on a minute, Nora. I see Helen and Victoria. I still see you're asking to speak. You want to speak on that previous slide? So, yeah. Are you wanting to speak on the Hawks Downtown Library slide, Helen? No. OK, Victoria. No. Okay, got it. All right, thank you. All right, on to the building operations. Yes. So this is a summary slide where I tried to show, you know, the city has about 1.5 million square feet of high occupant high use. We're talking city hall, city tower, the rec centers. And then at the bottom of there shows this example components that are very energy, that consume energy, the elevators or generators, our HVAC of course, and then our hot water heaters. And that doesn't even include all the plumbing fixtures and lighting fixtures that we have. But those are the major components in a building. In the middle is the listing of energy efficiency improvements we've done since 2007. These are just some highlights. The LED interior and exterior lighting retro, our energy efficient HVX system, geothermal, reflective roof, that we did at the convention center. Miss K Part pointed out yesterday, you know, the city tower window replacement was a huge project back in 16, 16, 17, 17, it was a very big investment that we were able to complete with federal funding, federal stimulus funding. It was the Recovery Act funding, if I recall correctly. Photovoltaic system, that's at the Randall Mill Concession Slash Restroom. Domestic water retrofits and all-or-building, building automated systems, which helps us control comfort, but also, you know also energy consumption in our buildings. And then the very old frequency drives at the pool pumps, which instead of pool pumps going on continuously, these help just turn on and in control operations during prime use. Overall, if you take a look at this, it's over $17 million a city has invested since 2007. The $17 million is mostly in the last couple of years when the Council approved the energy, the phase one and phase two of energy improvement through Uptera, which is now known as NG. We were went into our older buildings and they kind were went into our older buildings and they kind of looked at our older buildings and assessed them. It said, here's your lowest hanging fruit. Here's where you, if you make these switchouts of faucets and toilets and HVACs, roof, et cetera, where you could, you know, it will pay you back. And so we've achieved those savings for the investment. So again, this is just a summary slide of that. Nora, the, where do we talk about the solar panels on the library? It's not on here, but I could list it. The solar panels are showed in a visual and in the subsequent slide, but I can certainly add a bullet. Yeah, and is that the only place we have solar panels on city property, city buildings? Yes, ma'am. And it was a grant funded. Got it. So committee are you guys okay if we add the solar panels and we add the The window change out we did over at the Mott to this list and then Maybe the 17 million that's over there in green Maybe we make it stand out a little bit more it was amazing when I was going over this with staff yesterday Nor I kept talking about the 17 million and I kept looking on the left or on the top for the 17 million and there it was very much prominent but I did I overlooked it completely. I wasn't focused on that. So we're talking about changing that to blue so maybe it stands out a little bit and then adding two more energy improvements that we've done since 07. So your comments, Helen Victoria? I was sharing this to Victoria. Agreed at the tubilets, 17 million. And I actually would suggest changing the header of the slide, which is carbon footprint building operations. It may be like end savings or building something that can notes better what this slide is about. But those are just my thoughts. Okay. Helen? That all sounds fine. I agree with Victoria. It's so little bit easier to understand. Good. So we need a different heading staff. Building upper operating footprint, colon building operations and investments, or building investments. Or aren't we really talking, I'm sorry, this is Victoria, aren't we really talking about savings? So building up. Yes, we're on the theme of energy savings and energy consumption. You're right. Gotcha. So something that keeps it in that genre. Gotcha. Okay. Okay, so Helen, this was your primary topic. Does that kind of cover it for you? It does. That's fine. Okay, great. Okay. Okay. The next slide is title carbon footprint building operation power source. And here the committee was very interested in looking at our current long-term electric contract with TXU Energy. We talked about the term of the contract that includes all existing facilities and what we are paying per kilowatt, which overall is nearly a 50% savings from the previous contract. But again, you have to consider fluctuations in the market, that kind of thing. In result though, still a savings. We talked about the option to purchase renewable energy credits, what it would take, and what it would cost, and then what it would result of as far as you know any in rankings or distinctions across Texas and the country. And so this slide is a summary of that. We would pay $64,000 a year more or a 1.2 increase of our current cost if we elected to switch over to 100% renewable for the remaining contract term. The term ends in December 2026. And that's an annual cost increase. So are we going to get, we're going to talk to TXU about getting sponsorship for this page? I actually am being specific to everybody. Wow. Your ships in the following slide, when I talk about partnerships, I'm referring to TXU because we have this huge contract with them. Yeah. I get it, I get it. OK. So we talked, committee, we talked a great deal about this. And we even had our consultant come and talk to us about the contract we had with TXU and about buying renewable energy credits and the length of our contract. And do we want to go back and try to do something. The council said we're going to let the contract run its course. So this is kind of future council's heads up when you're at that contract is coming up for renewal. One of the things we would recommend to the council at that time is to investigate further about renewable energy credits. Helen, does that capture what you are after in your issue? Yes, it does. It points out that the point I made early on is that with the change in renewable energy capacity that it is not that much greater to use and cost to use renewable, like 1% more. but I think pointing it out to the public is good. I'm not necessarily a person who thinks you need a whole lot of recognition for doing this, like advertising that your number three in the state. I mean, that's great, but it's $60,000 to advertise that. And I don't think in today's climate politically spending the money is necessary, because let's be honest, we're getting the same amount of renewable input in our energy sources that we're going to get if we pay the 64,000. That's my knowledge of this. So I say, show the public that our contract is at market and it is and it's a much better contract than we had before and frankly the contract we had before was at market when it bought. But if market dropped precipitously down to say six cents, we could always buy out of this contract and restart it. but I think most people today are happy where we are because this is really 2007 rates. So I say, leave it just like it is. And I would not necessarily recommend a climate that we that we had all recommend that we buy this just that we're showing that it is, it makes very little difference in our contract price because frankly we're getting 20 or 30% of our energy is coming from renewable sources anyway. Yeah and I think that's something I certainly didn't know until we started talking about this that that's already embedded in most contracts already. It's just not 100% right renewable energy. So I don't know but do we say that very clearly in this slide and don't we need if we don't don't we don't we need to do that? I'm going to say Madam Chair this is Victoria that's my question. I was wondering if we need to do that? I'm gonna say Madam Chair, this is Victoria. That's my question. I was wondering if we needed to add a bullet in the top part that relates that information because that was news to me when we went over this and it looks like this slide makes it look as if we have no renewable energy whatsoever. And it's already. Yeah. That is the issue because without going ahead and buying 100% renewable, which is what we would be doing is guaranteeing our contract comes from. We don't know if we have 19 and it fluctuates. Like they buy on the open market every day at the cheapest price possible. Sometimes it's gas, sometimes it's wind. And that's why we get the cheapest price because it both are a commodity. So I don't think we can, and that's what they were trying to point out, we can't. Just like at your home unless you buy 100% renewable and you have a wind energy contract, you can't guarantee it. But we know for a fact that 30 to 40% of all energy in Texas now, and I don't know how you research that, nor, and see if you can come up with an estimate of what percentage of total energy sold in Texas is renewable now. Because that may help us get from its implied in our contract that we can't verify it. Right. So that that I could probably find on the State website on the energy. There's there's power to choose. There's the there's a like an energy state agency forgot that I'm a bit it's it's a cover sort but I will research that but maybe I wouldn't how to choose they're not going to have the information you're looking for. I would actually call our consultant. Okay. Is that power to choose is nothing better retell for commercial. Yeah, so they're not going to be able to help you. But our consultant, we pay him a lot of money embedded in our contract every month. That's how he gets paid. I don't know if you'll know how these consultants get paid, but there's a slight ad in our monthly bill every month that goes to the consultant. So every month he gets to check. And it may only be four tenths of one percent of what our buy is, but that's how he gets paid. That's why he didn't send you a bill. Well, and that's why we need to call on him every time we've got a question. So everyone's our consultant. You know, he's our consultant, and if we need help with this, but he did an incredible job for us in getting this contract. I mean, lots of cities would love to have the contract we did. So he was well worth the expense. And, you know, when we needed him to come explain this to us again, he's there. But let committee, I have a different question. Do we even need the bullet where it says if options selected, we'd rank here and rank there. Because as time goes on, those numbers are gonna change, they may have already changed. Yeah, they're not static for sure. So do we need that in here? Or do you think for some reason we should have it there? I think it's okay to show it. What you could say if options selected for 100% of the remaining TXU contract term comma today, the city would rank. Because this is constantly moving and I think adding the word today, the city would rank or just say as of you know the summer of 2020 we would rank or whatever so much because that today also changes right right so something like that kind of give it some qualifying remark got it want to keep it in there but I but I really do think we've got to have another bullet in here that explains that, even though we're not 100% renewable energy, we are using renewable energy in our contract. So words to that effect, I think, because most people don't know that, I certainly did not remember it until we got the most recent briefing from our consultant. So what I can do is I'll call a consultant get the appropriate Verbidge to include And I could possibly I think it might fit if I added as a fourth bullet under that TXG logo So the first bullet is the term January 2018 to December 2016. That fact that includes all existing facilities and then the kilowatt or the cost and then a fourth bullet that talks about how, you know, Renewal Power is embedded, you know, in the purchase, when they do purchase it for us. Okay, I don't see other thing you might need to kind of clarify is a lot of people might think our purchase price is 3.9 cents, but that's just for the energy part of the contract. Because the total contract cost is what about seven and a half because of the ERCOT costs that get added in. The delivery costs that go back and look, but yeah, you're right. It's like a base price almost if you look at it. This is the KWR energy cost in the 47%. Because I think you're saying it's 40% of the energy cost reduction because ARCOT is level, it didn't change. I think you went from like nine and a half to seven and a half, so that's about half of. I don't know I have to look at it to see exactly what I think that could be a little bit clearer. Okay, I'll go back to the consultant's presentation from was in March or April no, February. I think it's very I think I think it was pre COVID as we. Yep, it was rise everything these days. I think it was pre-COVID as we... Yep, it was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was that all existing facilities through December of 2026. Cause we're about to add the Southeast direct center and so on and so forth. The way it was at Jonathan, I think the way the consultant explains it's like, if it doesn't have a meter, if it's gonna get, like even if it has a new meter like the East facility, it's getting new meters. That's not part of this contract. If you're gonna put it in a new meter, not's not part of this contract. If you're going to put it in a new meter, not going to be part of this contract. So that kind of helped me better understand it a little bit. So it's as of January 2018 when we entered into the contract. Okay, so that begs the question, how do we get those buildings covered? I have to go back and renegotiate the contract, add it to the contract. We can do that. And then purchasing with Alaska, remember, was at that meeting and he said, but we could do is we could bid it. He would recommend bidding it because you know, markets change. And TXU would, you know, would of course, probably bid on providing energy to those facilities. Okay. So we're not going to solve all that problem in this briefing. No, because that's like, do you bid each one? Do you bid them as a group? Do you? Okay. That's a council discussion. So, all right. But I guess we need includes all existing facilities as of January 2018. Yep, I've made that note too. Okay. Well, it would include all existing facilities as of June 2020, because we've got, we've added facilities since this contract that are covered under this contract. The way I understood it when he explained it was we can add at this rate new facilities, but if the market is reflecting a reduction against what we already have, then we could re-bid it and get the lower rate. Correct. That would be consultant. Yeah, so I would say includes all existing facilities. Or did you take the savings only against the ones that were in place? Only against the ones we were in place. Only against the ones we were in place. Okay, in place. All right. Okay, then I would say in place on January, because we've added quite a few. Yeah. Okay, got it made to note confirm with also confirm with control. And make sure you really mean to say it's 47% savings from the previous contract. Because I think you mean to say previous contract costs for the energy component. Yes, I made a note to confirm energy cost only component with the content. Yeah, I know what you guys can see it because I'm picking all these notes. Oh my gosh, I know what you guys can see because I'm picking all these jokes. Oh my gosh, I know. That's why, you know, this is so helpful. You know, this this committee works really well because each of us brings a different expertise to it. So there you go. And there's my other house phone, which I'll kill. All right. All right. So our committee, we really move to the next slide. Yeah. Yeah. We are. OK. So here's our potential actions. Here we go. And there's the solar panel on the library. That's cool. There's our grant funded solar panels on the library. Give me the feedback that I've gotten so far on this section. Here's what I would think I'm thinking about under potential actions, the first bullet and going back to Victoria's earlier about, you know, kind of sequencing things and the order that they're presented. So I think I would reorder that I would first add a bullet. The first bullet probably should say, continue to build facilities that comply with international building cut and spell it out. And then reorder the remaining where we say, identify potential green power for new facilities and that's the beacon and the east. And then enhance communication of cities investment in energy efficiency and sustainable construction. That's, you know, that was like a recurring theme through, you know, all of our focus areas. Continue with the city's electricity contract terms or just modify city's electricity contract to include those renewable energy credits. And then, of course, other, but I can take that. I just kind of want to put it as a catch-all for if there was discussion on any other potential actions. So again, add the first bullet, add a new bullet at the very top that says, continue to build facilities that comply with energy building cup. Looks good. Looks good. So committee. That's a lot for one slot. So committee that's a lot for one slot. Well, it was a meeting section. It was very meeting and you know, and it's very appropriate at this particular juncture too. So, um, so here's the here's our dilemma committee. We've gotten through one focus area and we're now out of time. So do you want to try to cover one more? We've got, I've got something at noon, but I don't want us to work up to that. Are do you want us to stop here and pick it up at the next meeting. I need comments from Victoria and Helen. What would you like to do? Ms. K. Hart? Yes. This is Jennifer, I'm an Assistant City Manager. I did want to mention that the destination for this presentation is next Tuesday at the Council retreat. Yeah, I know. We won't have to have other meetings through the week, which is the other. Okay. The only thing I have is the 1045 call and I have to reschedule that. Well, at noon we have ATF and I don't want us to work right up. I want people to have a little bit of chance to have a lunch before that we go into our afternoon session at one. So, um, Ms. Kaper, would it be helpful if we could look for, I know we have to do this presentation next finally for next week, but find another time for us to be able to just, um, when they were not a pressure of a council day to go through the remainder. Yeah, I think that would be better because we do have ATF and council coming up pretty quick. So I'll ask staff to get with each of you about setting a side probably two hours to go through the rest of this. I don't know that all the other items are as meaty as the first one, but they could be. You know, so well, and perhaps Nora, perhaps Nora could have the changes on the first of this. Ready for us to look at. Yeah, I'll have them in red so you could see that they're different. Yeah, okay. Sounds good. Sounds good. So I think two hours should be enough. We'll make it enough to finish it up. We'll talk fast, right? For the rest of the presentation, is that all right with you, Helen and Victoria to find a two hour window where the committee could get together later this week? Yes, ma'am. Yes, and I have, let me look, I have a commitment on Thursday, and I'll give it to you right now. Oh, that's okay. That's okay. Well, you can give it to me privately. You may not want to advertise it to the whole world. Whatever your commitment might be. But I'll ask staff to get that together for us. There's like all of these. They're really good at that. What I'd like to do is try to set it up at 9 or 9 30 on Thursday. Okay. Okay. I'll look at my calendar as well. Miss K-PART? Yes. We will need the 72 hours to post. So I'm actually thinking that that Friday morning may be the only time we'll be able to do that if we get that posted quickly because then we will have to turn around and post it on Friday for the Tuesday retreat. So we're going to have that. That's all for your city staff. Well, then that's fine. I just I'm available. Sure, it's just going to ham us in to a particular time, but just to let you know, we're probably going to be looking at Friday around midday. So sometimes that 72 hours from now. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. That's why you have to do it because we've got to have the right posting. I had any thought about the posting of it. You're right. Why'd you brought that up, Jennifer? Yes, yes, Jennifer. Thank you. So we'll get that through to random posted today then. Okay. All right. Sounds good. Victoria, are you okay with that? Yes, ma'am. I am. Okay. All right. Set aside two hours of Jennifer. There's I think it's going to take that. And then then whatever we're doing on Friday. I hate doing this to you, staff. And you got to have it ready for the Tuesday council meeting. Yeah. This is a part. Yes. I might also bring up actually Friday is a holiday. So it is. Right. Okay. So, okay, we'll... Okay. Helen brought that up and I heard Nora's response, oh I'm available. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I can hear another. I didn't want to speak to anybody else, but I just... Well, it's just backing it up to an ATF meeting and a council meeting today. There's just no way we can finish this today. This is not possible. And I don't want to rush through it because we're turning out a really good product in the hard work of the committee and of all of staff is is 10 amount to making sure we do justice to all that effort. So okay. All right committee if you have no further comments look for an appointment coming for Friday and we'll set aside two hours and try to get through this and my voice is going already. I can do as I can do as early as 8.30 if everybody else can so you get most of your day at the end of the day. We can't because it's 70 the earliest we could do is call it 11 a.m. on Friday. 11 on Friday. Okay. I can. I can. Okay. That's good. I just looked at my color. It is good. Okay. Okay. All right. So are we are we clear now staff two hours? Sometime after 11 on Friday? Yes, ma'am. And we'll have this other committee meeting. Thank you staff for being for being accommodating to us on a holiday. We owe you big time. The only thing I can say in regards to how I owe you and pay you back is to show you appreciation and gratitude. So, all right, with that, I'm going to adjourn the Environmental Task Force meeting on June the 30th at 636. At 1032 AM. Thank you, committee. Thank you, staff. And thank you, public, for helping us make this happen. All right. Bye-bye. See you later.